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How can AI be adopted in a way that turns more students into “explorers” rather than “passengers” in their learning? This week we bring you a conversation with the co-author of a book on student disengagement in school, Rebecca Winthrop, who is also researching the impact of AI on education. The episode is by one of Future U's producers, Jeff Young, from his new podcast, Learning Curve.Chapters0:00 - Intro 4:19 - When the ‘Student Disengagement Crisis' Started7:25 - A Framework for Describing Levels of Student Engagement15:18 - How AI Is Impacting Student Motivation19:00 - Why ChatGPT's ‘Study Mode' Is Not the Answer25:05 - Advice for Companies Making AI Tools for Education29:32 - Tips for Students 34:42 - A High School Student's Take on AI 48:30 - Advice For Teachers on Dealing with AI51:35 - What Is the Purpose of School in the Age of Generative AI?Publications Mentioned:“The Disengaged Teen,” by Rebecca Winthrop and Jenny Anderson “Minnesota high school student weighs the benefits and pitfalls of AI,” Minnesota Now“I'm a High Schooler. AI Is Demolishing My Education,”The AtlanticBrookings Global Task Force on AI in Educationwebsite‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education,'The Ezra Klein Show“Attention Please: Professors Struggle With Student Disengagement,”EdSurge“Playing the Grade Game,”Bootstraps podcast seriesConnect with Michael Horn:Sign Up for the The Future of Education NewsletterWebsiteLinkedInX (Twitter)Threads Connect with Jeff Selingo:Dream School: Finding the College That's Right for YouSign Up for the Next NewsletterWebsiteX (Twitter)ThreadsLinkedInConnect with Future U:TwitterYouTubeThreadsInstagramFacebookLinkedIn Submit a question and if we answer it on air we'll send you Future U. swag!Sign up for Future U. emails to get special updates and behind-the-scenes content.
Hello nerds.When I first started interviewing Scott Santens years ago during the Nerds for Yang era, he was one of the most relentless and articulate advocates for universal basic income (UBI) in America. Back then, it felt like the country was on the verge of something big. Andrew Yang was on the debate stage making “Freedom Dividend” a household phrase. Silicon Valley technologists were whispering about automation in the same breath as moral responsibility. Even Republican voters were entertaining the idea that direct cash transfers might be less bureaucratic and more empowering than sprawling social programs.Fast forward to 2025, and the conversation feels quieter. The pandemic-era stimulus checks are long gone. Washington has reverted to tribal warfare. Meanwhile, AI is advancing faster than anyone—maybe even Scott and Andrew —predicted. The irony is thick: the very forces that made UBI seem like a radical idea a decade ago are now transforming entire industries before our eyes. And yet, the movement feels stuck in neutral.So when Scott rejoined me on Nerds for Humanity this month from his new base in Washington, D.C., I wanted to know: What happened? Why did UBI lose its moment? And is there a realistic path back to the mainstream before millions of Americans get left behind?The Move to D.C. and the Lost MomentScott began by explaining why he left New Orleans for D.C. a few years ago. “It just seemed that UBI was really a bigger part of the conversation,” he said. “I thought if the Democrats came in again in 2024, I could actually get some traction.”He laughs a little when he says that now. “That didn't end up happening,” he admitted, reflecting on how the Biden reelection froze the kind of idea competition that defined 2020. “The big problem was that Biden decided to run again, and there was no primary process. Then suddenly Kamala comes in and still no primary process. So there was no ideas competition. We really missed out on that.”That lack of competition, Scott argues, has a ripple effect. Political movements thrive on moments of contrast, when new ideas bump up against old dogmas and voters are forced to re-evaluate assumptions. The 2020 race—with Yang, Sanders, Warren, and others pitching structural reforms—was one of those rare idea-rich moments. 2024, by comparison, was a desert.As Scott put it bluntly: “We were close enough to taste it during the pandemic. It really felt like we were actually on the cusp of doing a monthly cash payment that could change things. But none of that happened.”He's not wrong. The COVID checks were, in effect, a large-scale experiment in direct income support. Poverty temporarily plummeted. Families caught their breath. Consumer demand stayed strong. And then we let it all expire.AI Ate the Jobs While America SleptWhat's striking about this quiet period, as I noted to Scott, is that the threat he and Yang warned about—the automation of work—is no longer hypothetical. Knowledge worker jobs are being eaten by AI faster than policy debates can catch up.“I'm a parent of two teenagers,” I told him. “Other parents are starting to wonder if a computer science degree is still the golden ticket. Should we be preparing our kids to be plumbers instead?”Scott nodded grimly. “It's disheartening,” he said. “Now that these impacts are here… this is the stuff that we've been warning about. It's not a sudden thing, but it does seem to already be impacting the entry-level job market.”He pointed to a convergence of pressures: corporate hiring freezes driven by uncertainty around tariffs, companies experimenting with AI productivity tools, and executives under shareholder pressure to “do more with less.” The result: stagnating headcount even in high-growth sectors.“We don't really need people that we likely would have if AI had not been introduced,” he said. I observed from Silicon Valley, “What we're seeing right now is that companies can grow revenue while keeping headcount flat.”It's not a collapse. It's a quiet deceleration—a slow bleed. And that's arguably more dangerous because it doesn't provoke a policy response. There's no headline-grabbing “AI layoffs.” Just the invisible absence of opportunities for millions of new grads.Even top business schools are struggling to place students. “It's like the hardest market in years,” Scott said, and I agreed. “If we hit a recession,” he warned, “that's when all these businesses really lean into productivity. The recession ends, and they realize they don't need those people back.”That scenario—automation accelerated by economic downturn—is the nightmare UBI advocates have been predicting for over a decade. Each downturn becomes a ratchet that permanently eliminates another layer of middle-class work.The Automation MirageWhen politicians talk about “bringing manufacturing jobs back,” Scott and I get visibly frustrated. “I don't think people realize—you don't need that many people in those factories anymore,” I said.He reminded me of a chart he once published showing that U.S. manufacturing output is higher than ever, even though manufacturing employment has fallen dramatically. “We're manufacturing more than ever, we just have fewer jobs,” he said. “If we did reshoring, sure, we could manufacture even more, but jobs would continue going down.”I brought up a U.S. tech investor who recently toured Chinese EV plants. “He said the number of BYD employees per car is something like a fifth of what it is for Ford or GM,” I told Scott. “If we build plants here, we're not going to hire 20 people per car—we'll hire four or five.”Scott didn't hesitate: “Exactly. The only way to bring it back is to minimize labor. American labor is expensive. You can't both re-shore and keep the same job intensity.”Then he pivoted to a deeper critique of political dishonesty. “Trump sold a lot of people false hope,” he said. “He told them, ‘Once I negotiate these trade deals, everything's gonna be back to post–World War II full employment.' But that's a lie. We've heard that lie over and over again, even from people in the AI world. They say this will create more jobs than it displaces. Come on. We all know the realities.”This is the paradox of modern capitalism: productivity growth has decoupled from employment growth. We make more stuff with fewer people. And our political imagination hasn't caught up to that new reality.From Careers to Gigs: The New NormalScott traced this shift back decades. “We know what happened when we displaced people from manufacturing jobs—they went lower down the ladder into lower-paying work,” he said. “You went from careers to gig labor.”He rattled off examples that have become painfully familiar: “People now earn extra money by signing up for Uber, delivering food, DoorDashing. There's just a transformation of what employment even means.”In Scott's view, the only logical response to this is UBI. “You need to make sure everyone actually gets basic income,” he said. “That helps feed demand for new jobs. If people's incomes fall as a result of AI, demand falls. And when demand falls, the entire economy reorients.”He pointed to a staggering statistic: “Right now, the top 10% are buying half of everything produced and sold in the U.S. It's a very unequal consumption economy. The markets start ignoring the basic needs of people and reorient around luxury experiences.”That imbalance, he argued, isn't just economic—it's political. “It leads to people getting violent. It's key to the erosion of democracy.”The Coming Middle-Class AwakeningIf there's any silver lining, I said, it's that the pain is spreading up the income ladder.“I think it's going to affect a lot of middle-class and upper-middle-class people in a way it hasn't before,” I said. “When Andrew talked about truck drivers losing jobs, people thought, ‘My kid's going to college, they'll be fine.' Now they're realizing maybe not.”Scott agreed. “We just didn't realize how fast it would hit arts, music, images, and photos. I didn't think about that. It took me by surprise.”I added, “When he said doctors and lawyers, it felt far away. Now you're like—oh s**t—that's happening right now.”He laughed and I added more examples. “People are winning court cases using ChatGPT as their attorney. And with tools like Sora and Grok Imagine, you can generate realistic videos and images instantly. There's no ground truth anymore.”That last point hits hard. “You just give people a reason to doubt it,” Scott said. “You can have fake security cam footage of Sam Altman stealing something, and people will believe it. Or you can have real footage of Trump doing something, and people won't.”When truth itself becomes negotiable, democracy can't function. Evidence is the oxygen of public accountability. Once it's gone, all we have left are teams—and team loyalty.The Tariff FantasyThat team loyalty came up again when I told Scott about a debate I'd had with a MAGA relative in Florida. My brother argued that Trump's tariffs would pay for his tax cuts. Scott immediately laughed. “Even assuming that were true—which it's not—you're still taxing the working and middle class to pay for tax cuts for the rich,” he said.He broke it down simply: “It doesn't make any sense to say, ‘Tariff revenue will cover it.' Who covers the tariff revenue? It's the consumers. And yet people believe it.”Scott sees this as part of the broader epistemic collapse—people believing “whatever their team is saying,” no matter how illogical. “It's impressive in some ways,” I said. “You can propose policies that hurt your base and they'll cheer you for it.” He nodded. “Yeah. It's really frustrating.”UBI Research: Misunderstood and MisreportedI asked Scott about recent UBI research that some media outlets described as “disappointing.” His response was both sharp and nuanced.“Those weren't negative results,” he said. “They were null results.” He walked me through three often-cited studies: Baby's First Years, the Denver Homeless Pilot, and Sam Altman's Worldcoin/Overture experiment.“The key is to understand what's being tested,” he explained. “These weren't saturation pilots. They gave money to small groups of individuals. But real universal basic income changes communities. It creates new demand, new jobs, new dynamics.”He contrasted these with the Alaska Permanent Fund, which distributes oil dividends to every state resident annually. “In Alaska, we saw an overall increase in employment due to the dividend,” he said. “Some people worked less, but the spending created new jobs.”That's the essence of his argument: if you only study individuals, you miss the macro effects.He was especially skeptical of the way media covered the Baby's First Years study, which found no measurable difference in children's brain development after four years of $333 monthly payments. “That's a null result, not a failure,” Scott said. “It doesn't mean UBI doesn't work. It just means we didn't see differences yet. Impacts often show up later in life.”He also noted that measuring brain development via EEG scans is an odd and narrow metric. “Maybe families were happier. Maybe they bought what they needed. That still matters.”The Secret Study and New FrontiersScott hinted that a major new study is underway. “There's a study I can't talk about,” he said, smiling, “but it's looking at something no other experiment has looked at. I'm excited for those results.”He also mentioned Jeff Atwood (co-founder of Stack Overflow) is funding a $50 million set of county-level pilots, focusing on rural areas. “That's exciting,” Scott said. “It's a different political slice, and it's potentially saturation-like.”Globally, he's watching Thailand closely. “They announced they were going to do a negative income tax starting in 2027,” he said. “If that happens, they'd be the first country in the world to have a basic income guarantee. It could reduce poverty by over 90%.”Then he sighed. “But the day after they announced it, their prime minister got fired. So who knows.”ITSA Foundation: Building UBI From the Ground UpScott's not just theorizing anymore. His ITSA Foundation is taking action with two ambitious projects launching next year.First, the Bootstraps documentary series, which follows families receiving a basic income to humanize the policy through storytelling. “Storytelling is key,” he said. “People need to feel it, not just read data.”Second, the Comingle app, which will create what he calls “a small basic income floor of around $50 per week without waiting for government.”“You can create it yourself, through community pooling,” he said. “If Bill Gates joined Comingle and put 7% of his income in, everyone's income would go up. Don't worry about him getting $50 a week—everyone benefits.”It's the kind of practical experimentation the movement needs: bottom-up systems proving that shared prosperity can be engineered today, not someday.Reflections: The Hard Politics of Intelligent ReformAfter the interview ended, I stayed live on the stream to share a few personal reflections—some of them, frankly, tinged with frustration.I told my audience that I'm a believer in two three-letter acronyms: UBI and RCV (ranked choice voting). I have conviction that both are essential for a healthier democracy and a fairer economy. Yet it's maddening how little traction they get compared to what dominates our discourse.This morning, I argued politics with another MAGA acquaintance on WhatsApp. He was fired up about “the trans agenda” and “illegals.” When I asked what he thought about RCV or UBI, he admitted he didn't know what they were.And that, I said, is the tragedy. Many voters are animated by cultural wedge issues that barely affect their lives, while transformative structural reforms barely register. People will march for hours over trans athletes, but not over gerrymandering, open primaries, or the collapse of middle-class livelihoods.Maybe that's why Scott is investing in storytelling. “You have to boil this down into a bumper sticker,” I said. “Or a story.” Policy briefs won't cut through a media ecosystem optimized for outrage.It's sobering to realize how little energy we allocate to existential issues—like the sustainability of democracy or the viability of a middle-class life in an AI-driven economy—compared to the performative culture wars that dominate cable news.A Political System Addicted to DistractionI sometimes wonder if America is capable of solving long-term problems anymore. We have the tools and the talent, but not the attention span.We obsess over symbolic fights while the foundations rot. Closed primaries keep extremists in power. Gerrymandered districts ensure incumbents never lose. The electoral incentives all point toward division, not solutions.UBI and RCV are, in many ways, tests of whether we can think systemically again—about incentives, about fairness, about the structural forces shaping our future. And right now, the answer seems to be: not yet.As I told my audience, “It's sad that people will march for red-meat issues where government isn't even the decisive actor, while ignoring how broken the system itself has become.”The AI asteroid is heading straight for us. Millions of jobs—white-collar jobs—are on the chopping block. And neither party is talking seriously about it. Not Trump, not Schumer, not Newsom. Maybe Andrew Yang. Maybe Buttigieg. Maybe Bernie. But as a national conversation? Crickets.What's Next: Awakening or DenialMy optimism, if you can call it that, lies in inevitability. The pain will broaden until reform becomes unavoidable. Middle-class professionals will begin to experience the same precarity that working-class Americans have faced for decades.The good news is that when comfortable people get uncomfortable, politics shifts. The bad news is that it often takes crisis to get there.UBI isn't charity. It's infrastructure for an economy that no longer guarantees stability through employment. It's the plumbing of a post-industrial democracy.Scott put it best when he said: “You have to make sure everyone actually gets basic income so you have that cash. That can feed demand for new jobs. Without it, demand falls, inequality grows, and democracy erodes.”A Call to the NerdsAs we wrapped, I asked Scott how people could stay involved. “Sign up at ItsaFoundation.org,” he said. “Subscribe to the newsletter. Next year we'll have the Bootstraps docu-series, the Comingle app, and events across the country to organize communities.”I told him I'd be cheering him on. Because, frankly, the next five years are going to test whether America is still capable of rational self-government—or if we've outsourced that too.If you've made it this far into this post, you're probably one of the few people left who actually cares about data, ideas, and structural reform. You're a nerd. And that's a good thing.But as I told my audience at the end of the livestream: being a nerd isn't enough. We need to organize, support, and amplify. If we don't, the algorithms will drown out the quiet voices of reason.So if you value this kind of long-form conversation—the kind you won't find on cable news—please consider becoming a Nerds for Humanity YouTube channel member. Memberships help cover the operating costs of the livestream and keep these discussions going. Members also get shout-outs on every show as a thank-you for keeping independent, data-driven political analysis alive.And if you can't join as a member, the next best thing you can do is like, share, and comment. That helps the algorithm surface this content to others who might just be waking up to the same questions we've been asking for years.Bye nerds. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit nerdsforhumanity.substack.com
Episode 23 of The Basic Income Show!Read: https://scottsantens.substack.com/p/the-reports-of-ubis-death-are-greatlyChapters:00:00 Plugging my newest article03:56 Comingle and Bootstraps updates08:20 Boulder, CO results20:58 Alameda, CA results33:06 Ithaca, NY results47:34 New Mexico launches universal childcare51:03 Flint, MI results1:02:51 New Jersey child poverty report1:08:20 New results from Ireland1:23:25 New results from Finland1:29:03 Child allowance average1:32:46 Tempe, AZ South Park pilot1:34:08 OutroSummary:This conversation delves into six recent studies of UBI via just released guaranteed basic income pilot results. The hosts discuss the psychological benefits of UBI, including increased hope and a sense of mattering, while also addressing in response to a viewer question the potential of cryptocurrency in funding these initiatives. They highlight the importance of community support and the positive outcomes observed in various UBI pilot programs, emphasizing the need for flexible support systems for caregivers and the broader implications of financial stability on mental health. In this conversation, the speakers discuss various aspects of universal basic income (UBI) and its implications on society, particularly focusing on recent developments in universal childcare programs, the RX Kids initiative in Flint, Michigan, and new health results of Finland's basic income study. They explore the positive outcomes of these programs on mental health, economic stability, and the arts, emphasizing the importance of universality in social support systems. The discussion also touches on the economic value of creativity and the need for a more comprehensive understanding of societal benefits beyond traditional metrics like GDP.See my ongoing compilation of UBI evidence on Bluesky:https://bsky.app/profile/scottsantens.com/post/3lckzcleo7s24See my ongoing compilation of UBI evidence on X: https://x.com/scottsantens/status/1766213155967955332US guaranteed basic income pilot result summaries:https://www.guaranteedincomeworks.org/researchFor more info about UBI, please refer to my UBI FAQ: http://scottsantens.com/basic-income-faqDonate to the Income To Support All Foundation to support UBI projects:https://www.itsafoundation.orgSubscribe to the ITSA Newsletter for monthly UBI news:https://itsanewsletter.beehiiv.com/subscribeVisit Basic Income Today for daily UBI news:https://basicincometoday.comSign up for the Comingle waitlist for voluntary UBI:https://www.comingle.usFollow Scott:https://linktr.ee/scottsantensFollow Conrad:https://bsky.app/profile/theubiguy.bsky.socialhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/conradshaw/Follow Josh:https://bsky.app/profile/misterjworth.bsky.socialhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/joshworth/Special thanks to: Gisele Huff, Haroon Mokhtarzada, Steven Grimm, Bob Weishaar, Dorothy Krahn, Judith Bliss, Lowell Aronoff, Jessica Chew, Katie Moussouris, David Ruark,Tricia Garrett, A.W.R., Daryl Smith, Larry Cohen, John Steinberger, Philip Rosedale, Liya Brook, Frederick Weber, Laurel gillespie, Dylan Hirsch-Shell, Tom Cooper, Robert Collins, Joanna Zarach, Mgmguy, Albert Wenger, Andrew Yang, Peter T Knight, Michael Finney, David Ihnen, Steve Roth, Miki Phagan, Walter Schaerer, Elizabeth Corker, Albert Daniel Brockman, Natalie Foster, Joe Ballou, Arjun ,' @Justin_Dart , Felix Ling, S, Jocelyn Hockings, Mark Donovan, Jason Clark, Chuck Cordes, Mark Broadgate, Leslie Kausch, Braden Ferrin , Juro Antal, centuryfalcon64, Deanna McHugh, Stephen Castro-Starkey, Tommy Caruso, and all my other patrons for their support.If you'd like to see your name here in future video descriptions, you can do so by becoming a patron on Patreon at the UBI Producer level or above: https://www.patreon.com/scottsantens/membership#universalbasicincome #BasicIncome #UBI
Episode 21 of The Basic Income Show!UBI is in High School Prodigies Have It Easy Even in Another World!Chapters:00:00 The Basic Income Show at SXSW03:37 Basic Income for the Arts public consultation05:17 Guaranteed Basic Income in Palm Springs10:32 Guaranteed Basic Income in Los Angeles12:16 Institutional Fears of Trump17:56 Bright children in low-income homes study21:02 Could Malaysia win the UBI race?22:40 UBI legislation introduced in Colombia35:50 UBI scene in High School Prodigies Have It Easy Even in Another World56:20 Basic Income for Farmers in the UK57:17 Basic Income versus UBI1:03:15 Universality helps prevent corruption1:04:46 Neurodivergence and Bureaucracy1:10:37 Crime and the National Guard in DC1:15:35 Americans spend 4 hours a day thinking about money1:19:35 Patreon SupportersSummary:In this episode of The Basic Income Show, Scott Santens, Conrad Shaw, and Josh Worth cover major new developments in Universal Basic Income (UBI) policy, research, and culture. They discuss the Bootstraps docu-series heading to South by Southwest, Ireland's Basic Income for the Arts consultation, and new Guaranteed Basic Income pilots in Palm Springs and Los Angeles. The hosts examine institutional fears of Trump, a new study on bright children in low-income households, and Malaysia's bold push that could make it the first nation with a true UBI. They also explore UBI legislation in Colombia, a UK program for farmers, and the importance of universality in preventing corruption. Alongside these updates, the team dives into how anime (High School Prodigies Have It Easy Even in Another World) depicts UBI, the struggles of neurodivergent people navigating bureaucracy, and the reality that Americans spend four hours a day worrying about money. This wide-ranging conversation blends news, culture, and research to highlight why UBI remains one of the most urgent and transformative policies of our time.See my ongoing compilation of UBI evidence on Bluesky:https://bsky.app/profile/scottsantens.com/post/3lckzcleo7s24See my ongoing compilation of UBI evidence on X: https://x.com/scottsantens/status/1766213155967955332For more info about UBI, please refer to my UBI FAQ: http://scottsantens.com/basic-income-faqDonate to the Income To Support All Foundation to support UBI projects:https://www.itsafoundation.orgSubscribe to the ITSA Newsletter for monthly UBI news:https://itsanewsletter.beehiiv.com/subscribeVisit Basic Income Today for daily UBI news:https://basicincometoday.comSign up for the Comingle waitlist for voluntary UBI:https://www.comingle.usFollow Scott:https://linktr.ee/scottsantensFollow Conrad:https://bsky.app/profile/theubiguy.bsky.socialhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/conradshaw/Follow Josh:https://bsky.app/profile/misterjworth.bsky.socialhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/joshworth/Special thanks to: Gisele Huff, Haroon Mokhtarzada, Steven Grimm, Bob Weishaar, Judith Bliss, Lowell Aronoff, Jessica Chew, Katie Moussouris, David Ruark,Tricia Garrett, A.W.R., Daryl Smith, Larry Cohen, John Steinberger, Philip Rosedale, Liya Brook, Frederick Weber, Laurel gillespie, Dylan Hirsch-Shell, Tom Cooper, Robert Collins, Joanna Zarach, Mgmguy, Albert Wenger, Andrew Yang, Peter T Knight, Michael Finney, David Ihnen, Steve Roth, Miki Phagan, Walter Schaerer, Elizabeth Corker, Albert Daniel Brockman, Natalie Foster, Joe Ballou, Arjun ,' @Justin_Dart , Felix Ling, S, Jocelyn Hockings, Mark Donovan, Jason Clark, Chuck Cordes, Mark Broadgate, Leslie Kausch, Braden Ferrin , Juro Antal, centuryfalcon64, Deanna McHugh, Stephen Castro-Starkey, Tommy Caruso, and all my other patrons for their support.If you'd like to see your name here in future video descriptions, you can do so by becoming a patron on Patreon at the UBI Producer level or above.Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/scottsantens/membership#universalbasicincome #BasicIncome #UBI
If Senator Slotkin wants to use her great-grandfather's story to attack socialism, she'd better start telling the whole truth—because the next generation is telling theirs, and they're not buying what she's selling.
If Senator Slotkin wants to use her great-grandfather's story to attack socialism, she'd better start telling the whole truth—because the next generation is telling theirs, and they're not buying what she's selling.
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This week, we're trying something new: instead of our usual Next City episode, we're sharing the pilot for “Not My Narrative,” an experimental mini-series that not only debunks harmful myths holding back progress but also elevates the counter-narratives driving positive momentum.In this debut episode of Not My Narrative, Host Lucas Grindley, Executive Director of Next City, takes listeners on an examination of one of America's most pernicious myths: the “pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps” mantra that claims anyone who works hard enough can escape poverty. We trace its origins from 19th-century satire to Reagan, Gingrich, and Clinton, and we'll hear from practitioners who say the “bootstrap” story is quietly determining who merits public assistance, who deserves our sympathy, and who must simply fend for themselves.To unravel its origins and expose its consequences, Luis Ortega, founder of Storytellers for Change, draws on his background in education and community organizing to explain how the bootstraps narrative is woven into our schools, our public discourse, and even our own self-perception. He challenges us to see that when achievement is framed solely as personal grit, it erases entire ecosystems of support—families, neighbors, networks—that actually make success possible.Plus, we revisit two Next City interviews that show what “it takes a village” truly means, as communities care for one another. In Jackson, Mississippi, Aisha Nyandoro, co-founder of Magnolia Mother's Trust, shares how her guaranteed-income pilot for Black mothers demonstrates that material support and dignity go hand in hand. And we revisit a conversation out of Portland, Oregon, where Lisa Larson, vice-chair of Dignity Village, recounts her journey from sleeping on the streets to helping govern a community for the unhoused. If you believe in the power of narrative change—and want more episodes that debunk harmful myths while elevating real-world solutions—please email us at info@nextcity.org and let's think about ways to keep this work going.
Rudy Parra is a Mechatronics & Lab Technician at GridFlow, where he supports the development of next-generation lithium-sulfur flow batteries. He specializes in IoT integration, rapid prototyping, and lab operations, helping bridge the gap between R&D and real-world energy solutions. With a background in robotics and automation, Rudy is passionate about building systems that are efficient, scalable, and safe for the grid of tomorrow. This episode is sponsored by the coaching company of the host, Paul Zelizer. Consider a Strategy Session if you can use support growing your impact business. Resources mentioned in this episode include: Rudy Parra on LinkedIn CNM Ingenuity Deep Dive Bootcamps GridFlow site NM Tech Talks site Atomic 66 site Techqueria New Mexico NMClimate on LinkedIn Black in Tech site VetsinTech site Rubber Ducks NM on LinkedIn Paul's Strategy Sessions Pitch an Awarepreneurs episode
Yoni Appelbaum, deputy executive editor of The Atlantic, makes his Remnant debut to discuss his new book, Stuck: How the Privileged and the Propertied Broke the Engine of American Opportunity. Jonah Goldberg and Yoni discuss America's unique social and geographic mobility, the tricky history of tenements, and the dirty laundry of zoning. Show Notes: —Order Yoni's book, Stuck: How the Privileged and the Propertied Broke the Engine of American Opportunity The Remnant is a production of The Dispatch, a digital media company covering politics, policy, and culture from a non-partisan, conservative perspective. To access all of The Dispatch's offerings—including Jonah's G-File newsletter, regular livestreams, and other members-only content—click here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Today's show sponsored by: Goldco — 10% Instant Match in BONUS SILVER, for qualified JLP Show listeners Learn more at https://JesseLovesGold.com or 855-644-GOLD Punchie's coffee ☕ — https://jesseleepeterson.shop/ JLP Wed 2-5-25 HOUR 1 Trump: We'll own Gaza. Sweden shooting. Want my gf free. // HOUR 2 Needy for gf. Beyon-Z's not country! We'll be like Rome! // HOUR 3 Manhood Hour: Booker T Washington, Malcolm X. "Bootstraps"? // Biblical Question: Is anger a part of intelligence or stupidity? Men's Forum tomorrow, first Thur, Feb 6, 7pm, BOND, L.A. https://rebuildingtheman.com/events/ ⏰ TIMESTAMPS (0:00:00) HOUR 1 (0:03:05) Crazy experts, Anger (0:08:05) Trump… own Gaza! (0:20:05) Afraid of other human beings (0:26:45) School shooting in Sweden (0:30:50) Punchie's coffee…GoldCo (0:35:45) Anger, 13th street body (0:39:45) ADAM, AZ, 1st: Want it to work with gf (0:55:00) NEWS (1:00:55) HOUR 2 (1:01:45) ADAM: Afraid to forgive mom; Give gf a chance? (1:22:15) Supers: Baby dunk, Beyon-Z "country" … (1:32:25) Beyonce won for "Country"?! Supers… (1:40:15) JOSH, GA, BQ, doing stupid things (1:44:00) JOSH, CA, 1st: Meeting a woman the right way? (1:49:15) CHRIS, GA: Foreign alliances and biblical Israel (1:55:00) NEWS… HOUR 3 (2:02:00) Manhood Hour (2:04:00) Light, Salt: Men, wish others well. (2:09:20) Booker T Washington: Take care of business (2:11:25) Malcolm X… Not a victim (2:18:44) COLANDRA, Nashville, BQ (2:19:40) TYLER, IA, BQ, Cart Return (2:30:45) Announcements (2:33:25) GABE, Austin, BQ. Why not drop anger? Portrait? (2:38:05) RONNIE, OH, MLK: "Pull yourself up" is cruel? Get up and walk! (2:48:45) Supers: Country was white! Forgiveness. (2:55:10) Closing… Get on the straight and narrow
ABC#071, part 1 Lynwood Blount was a municipal judge who worked his way to the top, including night law school at Temple. He was elected judge after a successful 20-year law career. He was also President of Mercy-Douglass Hospital during its waning years. He did not suffer fools lightly. Along the way he picked up the nickname "Count Blount." He also served as President of Mercy-Douglass Hospital in its final days, so you can learn about medical education for African American Philadelphia residents.
It's a dead man's party. That's what podcasts are called on Lunar, where we're realizing no underclass exists in Meribia, understanding Mel only trusts beastmen with weapons, verifying interspecies erotica, debating ho ho ho vs bwa ha ha, fist fighting a Hero, slandering lawyers and accountants, cringing at crushing on Jessica, locking tighter than a tenement in South Central, leaving a dent in your skull, slipping on drool, becoming victimized, getting son'd by Mel, dealing with The Guild of Brett, pushing buttons to make bridges, slaying a dragon, and having no doubt that she is the one. Now you have a friend in the Dragon Diamond business. 00:00 Intro 03:02 Mel's Mansion 12:48 Hell Mel 18:35 Fighting Mel 21:54 Mel's Mansion II 33:22 Selling The Diamond 39:03 We've Been Had 44:08 Merbian Sewers 50:14 Water Dragon 54:41 Dross' Humiliation Ritual 59:49 Real Net 01:05:56 Outro Patreon: patreon.com/retroam Bluesky: @retrogradeamnesia.bsky.social YouTube: www.youtube.com/@RetrogradeAmnesia E-Mail: podcast@retrogradeamnesia.com Website: www.retrogradeamnesia.com
There are all sorts of ways our culture pressures us as individuals to "pull ourselves up by our bootstraps," but it's time to give that up. What might be an alternative that naturally takes its place? Maybe the sort of interwoven community where we can be ourselves and deeply contribute!
Fargo Flash previews the Gopher Football game this Saturday, Tom Pelissero joins to preview the NFL action this weekend
Fargo Flash previews the Gopher Football game this Saturday, Tom Pelissero joins to preview the NFL action this weekend
Hi ya' all!This year Brewers Association celebrated their 20th anniversary as a participant at the Stockholm Beer & Whisky Festival.That meant that seven breweries were represented, and CC got to meet them all for a quick interview.Here are the first four.Steve Kaczeus from Bootstraps, Leonard Gath from Uinta, Drew Yeager from Bent Water and the amazing Kevin “Truth” Stoneroad from Allagash.Enjoy! Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The GOP candidate is new to Massachusetts and faces an uphill battle against a popular incumbent, as many voters know little about Deaton.
Title: Gettin' Ready [Verse 1] Feet dusty, kickin' up the dirt, heart pounds, Violin strings hummin' deep, bassline sounds, Failures nippin' at my heels, won't back down, Bootstraps tightened, ready for this showdown. [Chorus] Gettin' ready, mind set like a steel trap, Ain't no stoppin' this here dance, no mishap, Troubles flyin', but I stay in the groove, Failure ain't an option, always on the move. [Verse 2] Life tosses curveballs, don't flinch, just lean, Violin bassline leads, sharp like caffeine, Sweat drips, but I keep my eyes on the scene, Dancin' through the chaos, nothin' in between. [Chorus] Gettin' ready, mind set like a steel trap, Ain't no stoppin' this here dance, no mishap, Troubles flyin', but I stay in the groove, Failure ain't an option, always on the move. [Bridge] Stars might fall and skies might turn grey, But I keep swingin', never goin' astray, With that heavy beat and strings that slay, Bootstraps ready, chase the night and day. [Bridge] Stars might fall and skies might turn grey, But I keep swingin', never goin' astray, With that heavy beat and strings that slay, Bootstraps ready, chase the night and day. [Chorus] Gettin' ready, mind set like a steel trap, Ain't no stoppin' this here dance, no mishap, Troubles flyin', but I stay in the groove, Failure ain't an option, always on the move. always on the move… always on the move.
If you want to know what matters most to your elected leaders, the answer is found not in their rhetoric, but in their choices during the budget making process. When the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities was founded in 1981, the mission was to understand how federal spending, or the lack of it, impacted low income Americans, particularly their ability to access healthcare and housing. It also provided policymakers with alternative strategies for meeting human needs with fiscal integrity. As Peggy Bailey, Executive Vice President of Programs and Policy shares on this episode of Power Station, the Center not only brings rigor to federal budget analysis it focuses on and is a resource to state budget making as well. And its internal process has evolved too. All Center departments operate from a justice framework, with staff holding themselves and each other accountable to shared values, from centering racial equity to including those with lived experience in their policy development. Peggy brings her all, including what she has experienced first-hand, to ensuring that public policies and their implementation in the real world uplift those who are too often left behind. She is a true changemaker. Hear her!
Get comfy in your seats, grab your wooder ice and popcorn because you won't wanna miss this one! Tonight's episode of 302BIRDS is packed with everything Philly sports and beyond. We start off by discussing how the Phillies need to find themselves in the middle of a tough seven-game stretch against the Atlanta Braves. Then, we give an exciting preview of the upcoming Eagles/Vikings game and what we're expecting to see on the field. We'll also talk about the 76ers' newest roster additions and how they could shape the team's future. Next, we dive into the Flyers' dysfunction surrounding the whole Ryan Johnson situation and what that means moving forward. Lastly, we break down the intense linebacker battle heating up between Trotter and Nakobe Dean, plus OH SO MUCH MORE! Stay connected with us on: - TikTok: [https://www.tiktok.com/@302birds](https://www.tiktok.com/@302birds) - Instagram: [https://www.instagram.com/302birds](https://www.instagram.com/302birds) - Website: [https://linktr.ee/302birds](https://linktr.ee/302birds) - Facebook: [https://www.facebook.com/302Birds](https://www.facebook.com/302Birds) - Spotify Podcasts: [https://open.spotify.com/show/1FsLdnsXbYhTBrzib1g7p0?si=4e2cdbf6d39941da](https://open.spotify.com/show/1FsLdnsXbYhTBrzib1g7p0?si=4e2cdbf6d39941da) - Twitter: [https://twitter.com/302Birds](https://twitter.com/302Birds) Join the conversation with these hashtags: #Phillies #philadelphiaeagles #philadelphiasports #phillysports #NFLpreseason #Vikings #Eagles #NFL2024 #preseasonfootball #philadelphia76ers #philadelphiaphillies This episode is made possible by our amazing sponsors: - 302HALLOWEEN Collection: Check out our exciting new 302HALLOWEEN Tees, featuring all four Philly mascots reppin' the Halloween spirit! Grab yours here: [https://www.bonfire.com/302halloween-tees/?productType=1d7eda58-3af0-46b5-a3fa-1fe8158a9fbe](https://www.bonfire.com/302halloween-tees/?productType=1d7eda58-3af0-46b5-a3fa-1fe8158a9fbe) - EAT AT EL DIABLO: Indulge in mouthwatering flavors at [https://www.eldiabloburritos.com/](https://www.eldiabloburritos.com/) - NICK'S PIZZA: Satisfy your pizza cravings with amazing local pizza from Nick's Pizza of Wilmington, DE. Check them out on Facebook: [https://www.facebook.com/Nickspizza302/](https://www.facebook.com/Nickspizza302/) - KLONDIKE KATES: Enjoy delicious bites and drinks at Klondike Kates on Main St in Newark, DE. Visit them on Facebook: [https://www.facebook.com/KatesNewark](https://www.facebook.com/KatesNewark) Remember, fair use applies under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976. We strive to provide insightful commentary and engaging content while respecting the rights of all. Thank you for being part of the 302BIRDS community.
It's still popular to prize students who have “grit,” who overcome tough odds to succeed. A book by Alissa Quart called “Bootstrapped: Liberating Ourselves from the American Dream,” looks at why this narrative is so hard to shake — and proposes more community-minded alternatives that could improve equity. This episode first ran in 2022, as the final installment of our Bootstraps series on who gets the best opportunities in American education. For more on the series, see: https://www.edsurge.com/research/guides/bootstraps-a-podcast-series
The Rhodes Scholarship was designed to forge a network of people who would go on to rule the world. So who gets this opportunity? And how is the oldest and best-known graduate scholarship dealing with the legacy of its founder, who used ruthless and racist practices to build the diamond empire that funded the effort? This originally ran in 2022, as part of our Bootstraps series on who gets what educational opportunities in America. Find show notes here:https://www.edsurge.com/news/2022-03-02-power-prestige-and-the-world-s-most-famous-scholarship
The SAT can feel very different to different students. While it can give any college applicant stress, some low-income and minority students see it as evidence that selective colleges don't want them. Can the rise of test-optional policies lead to a new, more equitable era of college admissions? | Guest reporter: Eric Hoover, of The Chronicle of Higher Education | This originally ran in late 2021 as part of our Bootstraps podcast series.
Our current grading system can be a way for kids to prove themselves and win college scholarships, or admission to selective colleges. It can also be a barrier, in sometimes surprising ways. What might a world without letter grades and GPAs look like? This first ran in 2021.
Sometime early in elementary school, kids are put on one of two paths: regular or gifted. Where did this idea come from? The answer goes back more than a 100 years, to a once-famous scholar named Lewis Terman. And it turns out his legacy, and the future of gifted programs, are still very much under debate. This first ran in 2021.
What a debate about the admissions process at one of the best public high schools in the country says about who should get what in education. This first ran in 2021. Find out more on this episode and the rest of the series at: https://www.edsurge.com/research/guides/bootstraps-a-podcast-series
What the odd and surprising history of 'pulling yourself up by your bootstraps' says about educational equity. This is the first episode in our Bootstraps podcast series on merit, myths and education. This first ran in 2021.
Conrad Shaw and Scott Santens, founders of the Income To Support All Foundation (ITSA), share their journey in supporting various UBI initiatives, highlighting personal stories and the challenges faced, particularly during the COVID-19 pandemic. Does the U.S. economy generate enough wealth per capita to eradicate poverty through UBI? What happened to the Child Tax Credit, which had cut childhood poverty in half? Understanding UBI's benefits comes from experiencing it firsthand, contrasting it with welfare programs, and anticipating the massive economic shifts that Artificial Intelligence will affect in both white and blue collar jobs. Explore Conrad and Scott's experiences in creating the Bootstraps documentary series, which chronicles families receiving UBI and showcases its positive impacts over several years. Lastly, learn about Comingle, a mutual aid platform where community members support each other financially based on weekly income fluctuations. Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/N-7zQ2gZI8A Follow Conrad Shaw: https://twitter.com/oneconradshaw | https://www.comingle.us/ Follow Scott Santens: https://twitter.com/scottsantens | https://www.instagram.com/scottsantens Follow Andrew Yang: https://twitter.com/andrewyang | https://andrewyang.com Get 50% off Factor at https://factormeals.com/yang50 Get an extra 3 months free at https://expressvpn.com/yang Get 20% off + 2 free pillows at https://helixsleep.com/yang code helixpartner20 ---- Subscribe to Forward: Apple — https://podcasts.apple.com/podcast/id1508035243 Spotify — https://open.spotify.com/show/25cFfnG3lGuypTerKDxKia To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
This week on episode 361, we interviewed Sally Helgesen, Author, Speaker and Leadership Coach, Conrad Shaw, UBI Trial Manager & Series Co-Creator of Bootstraps docuseries, Co-Founder of Comingle, Co-Founder of Income to Support All Foundation and Creator of UBIcalculator and Scott Santens, Founder and President of Income to Support All Foundation. DisrupTV is a weekly podcast with hosts R “Ray” Wang and Vala Afshar. The show airs live at 11 AM PT/ 2 PM ET every Friday. Brought to you by Constellation Executive Network: constellationr.com/CEN.
“This story will have an end.” -A wild Bill Dingha Cynabal appears on the show to discuss his epic Corvette-to-Cynabal challenge -What has Bill learned from this challenge? What should CCP learn? -Wormhole War ’24 continues as both sides trade … Continue reading →
This week we're talking about the 1941 sci fi short story By His Bootstraps by Robert A. Heinlein! Buckle up in the time gate to chat about paradoxes, capitalist propaganda, and Doctor Who.
Mark sits down with artist and mortgage professional TJ Curran, who shares about his creative pursuits, navigating the politics of the real estate industry, and the importance of 'picking your village' on your rise to success! Check out TJ's radio show, Gimme Shelter! Get in touch with TJ at 401-773-9943 or tjcurran@homeloanbank.com Affiliate Links: Unleashing the Power of Respect: The I-M Approach by Joseph Shrand, MD This episode is brought to you in part by SecuriTitle, a fractional paralegal service assisting with all things real estate in Massachusetts and New Hampshire.
TOPIC: Based African Lady, Miami spring break, Race Hoax from 2016, Six Flags over Georgia Mess, Omaha gas station attack, Melbourne Pier Attack, Men Needing a woman, no such thing as an equal partner, All black bench in New York, Trump on Christianity, SUPERCHATS
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Alysia and Frank discuss a comprehensive study on the realities of the racial wealth gap put together by the Demos Group.
A homily delivered by Fr. Jeff Locke on Sunday, December 3rd, 2023. The lectionary texts for the day were - Isaiah 64:1-9a - Psalm 80:1-7 - 1 Corinthians 1:1-9 - Mark 13:24-37
Hosts Kerry and Jenette could not be any more excited to welcome Bonnie Newberry into the studio to discuss her story "By My Bootstraps," from the Danville's inaugural show one particularly stormy night in 2023.
Join us on a riveting journey with Tay Sweat, the mastermind behind the meteoric rise of 'Sweat For Life'—a venture that scaled the heights of the fitness world to an 8-figure valuation, all without the crutch of major funding. This is a tale of pure entrepreneurial spirit and tenacity.
Team TARDIS and Melisa Phoenix race to the finish while trapped on a meteor hurtling towards impact. We have a Patreon! Support the show and receive access to exclusive content at patreon.com/rassilonpod Editing and Sound Design: Warren Frey. Theme arrangement: Daphne Sakellarides. This episode was recorded on July 1st 2023, prior to the SAG-AFTRA strike....
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Attachment 'insecurity" is partly a manifestation of unresolved stress patterns in the child and, by extension, the family. Therapists usually think of stress as interpersonal and dyadic, but you can't isolate individuals from context. We talk about context a lot when it comes to attachment - the circumstances or setting which helps to understand a process more deeply. As Sharon Lambert says in today's episode, you can't "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" if you have no boots. Sue Marriott and Sharon Lambert discuss the unconscious bootstraps communities have that cause blame towards those who are struggling. www.therapistuncensored.com/episodes to join our premium Neuronerd community www.therapistuncensored.com/join
Losing both parents at 12, Don Long quickly figured out how to navigate the world in what he calls, “bootstraps theology,” figuring life out on his own and taking no punches. But Don's theology only got him into trouble, even a knife fight. A loving step mother and caring mentors guided Don to the only source to really pull him out of his bootstraps–Jesus Christ. Don never thought he would make it past 18. But a kind mentor brought him to church. Don said of his early church days, "I literally would slip and sit in the back row. And then before the 'men' was done with 'amen,' I was out of there." God answered Don's desperate prayer to be able to read and understand the Bible, and from that moment, his life was changed. Don is now a pastor at Valley Church in West Des Moines, Iowa, where he heads up Valley Global missions.Helpful links:Don's Church, Valley Church, West Des Moines, IAJohn 10:10"God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble," Bible verseGreen Lake Conference Center, Green Lake, WI"My sheep hear my voice," Bible verse"For such a time as this," book of Esther, meaning"But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise," Bible verse Follow One80 on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or our website.Never miss a One80. Join our email list. Follow us on Instagram.Share One80, here's how!OneWay Ministries
On this week's Budget Breakdown, Christine and Dave analyze the spending habits of a family drowning in almost $200,000 worth of debt. They offer tough love and practical advice on how this family can cut their excessive expenses and allocate their freed-up funds to help them work toward their ultimate goal of being completely debt free. DM your questions and ideas for future podcast episodes to Christine on Instagram @frugalfitmom6. Follow Christine! Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/c/frugalfitmom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/frugalfitmom6 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/christinethefrugalfitmom Website: https://www.frugalfitmom.com Dave Ramsey's Debt Snowball: https://www.ramseysolutions.com/debt/get-out-of-debt-with-the-debt-snowball-plan?gclid=CjwKCAjw4c-ZBhAEEiwAZ105RchA5AybiyC7GgYHStGVTioePSsfgQIF7Q6pmV6UK8vCZmlPHJIi3BoCzYcQAvD_BwE --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/frugalfitmom/support
It's easy for the strongest people to show up for others, but sometimes the strong ones are unnecessarily silent. How can you catch a breath while drowning in plain sight? I sat down with Brenda Warren, The Soulutionist and creator of TAPIN MethodTM, about picking yourself back up after hitting rock bottom. As a United States Marine Corps veteran, she's seen her share of hits and misses. After several adversities collided at once, a call to a crisis center talked her off the ledge and reaffirmed her desire to help others in similar pain. Here's how Brenda's strategic plan will help you overcome any barriers and live unapologetically unstoppable.You can learn more about Brenda at www.brendathesoulutionist.com and Instagram @Brendathesoulutionist
My guest on this episode of Punk Rock HR is Conrad Shaw. He is a writer, filmmaker, co-founder of Comingle.us and a universal basic income (UBI) researcher. Conrad is a font of wisdom about UBI, and we discuss what it is, how it works, his upcoming documentary series “Bootstraps” and more. To read the full show notes for this episode, visit: https://laurieruettimann.com/showing-the-real-life-stories-of-ubi
Mississippi Gov. Tate Reeves signed a new set of laws that would bolster the power of law enforcement and make other changes. The NAACP's Abre' Conner talks about the organization's challenge to the new laws. And, can you pull yourself up by your own bootstraps? It's a myth that defines the American dream. It's also the subject of Alissa Quart's book "Bootstrapped: Liberating Ourselves from the American Dream." Then, the captain of a shrimp boat from Texas won the international Goldman Environmental Prize. Diane Wilson won a $50 million court case against a company dumping harmful plastics into the water. She joins us to talk about the award and her work.
In hour 2, Chris talks about the mounting attacks on Nikki Haley; from Don Lemon and Whoopi Goldberg calling her old, or Wajahat Ali calling her a white supremacist Manchurian Candidate, and Nikki is keeping her cool. Also, why can't democrats understand the Bootstraps metaphor? Also the mayor of East Palestine Ohio is mad at Biden, and Mayor Pete is unbothered. For more coverage on the issues that matter to you download the WMAL app, visit WMAL.com or tune in live on WMAL-FM 105.9 from 9:00am-12:00pm Monday-Friday. To join the conversation, check us out on twitter @WMAL and @ChrisPlanteShow Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices