Podcasts about Mattin

durée : 00:53:22 - La Musique d'ici -

Mattin and Miguel Prado sit down with friend of the pod and fellow NRU member Inigo Wilkins to dive into Shitshow Theory — a work-in-progress text by Mattin and Inigo — and Miguel's own take on what he calls Entropic Modernity. Together we try to make sense of the neo-reactionary turn, Trump-era chaos, and the cultural meltdown we're all living through. Theorising the shitshow, one glitch at a time.

durée : 00:53:07 - La Musique d'ici -

Repasamos con los Hermanos Pou el momento que están viviendo, con mucha actividad, nos dan algunos consejos sobre una vida dedicada a la aventura. Hablamos con Mattin Iñiguez que este verano va a participar en la Red Bull X-Alps, una carrera a pie y volando a lo largo de los Alpes, 1.283 kms de aventura recorriendo cinco países de la cordillera alpina.

This episode features an interview with Delta High School's very own Adam Mattin. Check out more about Adam, his 3 state championships, growing up in a wrestling family, what's next at Stanford, and much, much more! Thank you again to all of our sponsors for their support of NWO Sports: BSN Sports, Titan Sports, Batt & Stevens Body Shop, Tinora Rams Live, NWO Basketball, The Drop Zone Pizzeria

durée : 00:46:33 - Kenzazpi, Xabi Solano, Mattin Lerissa

An episode that schools you!Here's what's in store for today's episode: * Today, our hosts tackle a complex subject: ableism and its manifestation within the world of academia.* Our special guest, Kat Flora, joins our hosts to share her firsthand experiences with ableism in academia and how it shaped her journey.* Matt and Kat delve into their experiences of navigating difficult interactions with neurotypicals in academia, as well as managing the challenges of burnout.* The conversation transitions to addiction and alcoholism, exploring how autistic individuals may be more predisposed to these challenges.* This episode addresses a critical issue: the importance of autistic individuals being present in these spaces to drive change from within, while also emphasizing the need for self-care to avoid burnout.* Autistic individuals in academia often encounter triggering challenges, such as being required to study behaviorism, which is inherently harmful to autistic people, and feeling pressured to agree with neurotypical misconceptions about autism just to secure a passing grade.* Matt, Angela, and Kat discuss the dehumanizing experience of being autistic in a classroom where the information taught about autism often misrepresents or contradicts their lived experiences.* Our hosts explore strategies for overcoming academic gatekeepers and navigating barriers to create meaningful change within academia.* We discuss the current state of disability services at universities, highlighting the gaps and areas that need improvement to better support autistic and disabled students in their academic journeys.“In order to become a person who diagnoses autism, if you are autistic, you have to take a whole bunch of classes where you learn a whole bunch of things that are not true about yourself by people who know a lot less and not kill them or end up in jail.” - Angela“So this is the thing. Number one, people who come into academia, people who want to do this job are taught wrong. Number two, if you are an autistic person who is doing this, you either have to eat a lot of s**t and say yes, I am a malformed human, or - you argue with people, and people don't like to be argued with.” - Matt“In order to change a system, you have to be conforming enough for the gatekeepers to look you over and let you in. And then you can f**k s**t up.” - MattIn this episode, we dive into the pervasive issue of ableism in academia. From the challenges of navigating inaccurate teachings about autism to the dehumanizing impact of neurotypical misconceptions, we discuss the struggles autistic individuals face in these spaces. We also explore the importance of self-care, avoiding burnout, and how autistic people can create change from within academic institutions. Share your thoughts and experiences in the comments, and join the conversation using #AutisticCultureCatch on social media. What resonated with you in this discussion? Let us know!Show Notes:https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2021.727542/full https://a.co/d/gfur0Rn - The Autistic Postgraduate Woman: Navigating the Neurotypical University Paperback – Sophie Pillipshttps://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Rite_of_Ascension Kat Flora on Instagram (www.Instagram.com/kat__flora)Related Shows:Protecting Kentucky KidsProductivity is AutisticReady for a paradigm shift that empowers Autistics? Help spread the news!Follow us on InstagramFind us on Apple Podcasts and SpotifyLearn more about Matt at Matt Lowry, LPPJoin Matt's Autistic Connections Facebook GroupLearn more about Angela at AngelaKingdon.com Angela's social media: Twitter and TikTokOur Autism-affirming merch shop This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.autisticculturepodcast.com/subscribe

An episode that schools you. Hello, I am a listener of your podcast and an undiagnosed autistic. My 12 year old daughter is a diagnosed autistic who has had some traumatic experiences in the educational system since they use the medical model of autism. She is very likely twice exceptional (our school has no gifted program to offer her), but she thinks that her brain is broken because so many things are hard. She probably also has social anxiety. I am writing to ask if you and Angela would consider doing a short podcast episode aimed at teens and tweens about the wonderful ways their brains work, what autistic culture is, why it is so hard to fit into mainstream culture/school, how to make it a little better now, and how it can become SO much better later, especially once you find friends who you click with. She feels pretty hopeless at the moment, and does not have any friends to rely on yet. Thank you for reading.- Autistic Culture ListenerHere's what's in store for today's episode: * In today's episode, Matt and Angela explore a fan-suggested topic: autism culture for teens and tweens. They discuss ways to support an autistic teen who might be facing challenges at school and struggling to fit in.* The education system can feel like a nightmare for autistic youth, often prioritizing conformity and uniformity over individuality.* Our hosts discuss the challenges of transitioning between subjects in school while also navigating the complexities of an unspoken social hierarchy.* Neurotypicals often view autism as a one-dimensional disability, focusing solely on the challenges while overlooking the strengths and positive aspects that come with it. They tend to ignore the creativity, unique perspectives, and valuable contributions autistic individuals bring to the table.* Neurotypicals often follow the lead of a dominant figure, so if middle school girls crown Julie from second period as the queen bee, she effectively dictates who's cool or uncool, what to wear, and the entire social hierarchy—creating a challenging environment for autistic individuals to navigate.* Young autistic children often view adults as equals and believe respect means treating everyone equally. However, someone like Julie expects to be treated as a leader or boss, not an equal—creating conflicts within the neurotypical social hierarchy.* Autistic young boys are often given more freedom to be eccentric, while autistic girls are expected to blend in and keep the peace, conforming to societal expectations.* As a child, you have less control over your environment—things like your school schedule or what's packed in your lunch are often out of your hands. This lack of control can easily lead to dysregulation.* We discuss masking in middle and high school, and how approaching it like a Jane Goodall-esque cultural research experiment—observing neurotypicals as if they were a different species—can be a helpful strategy.* We talk about finding ways to accommodate your body while at school, even if it doesn't look or function the same as everyone else's.* To all the neurodivergent and autistic kids out there: You've got to push through this, because adulthood gets better. Find the weirdos, your people, in school—because they're out there, and they'll make all the difference.* Self-discovery is crucial as a young person, as it lays the foundation for living as a healthy, authentic autistic adult.* We don't change the world by being average—we change it by being ourselves. We owe it to the people who challenged the system, the weirdos of the world, to do the same.“This is why neurotypicals can't understand autism - because they say, ‘well, I met an autistic person once and you don't look like them.' No, because every autistic person is wired differently. The commonality is just that we have lightning brains that are hyper-connected. And this is the reason why there's a very, very high overlap between autism and giftedness because of the hyper-connected brain.” - Angela“If you're a kid who spends your lunch period hanging out in the library talking with the school librarian, you're a bottom-up processor. If you hang out talking to the janitor, you're a bottom-up processor. If you go to the teacher and say, ‘Hello, I brought my stack of Pokemon cards because you mentioned that you were in to Pokemon cards in the 90's, you're a bottom-up processor.” - Matt “That's the difference between masking to be a good girl and fit in and this is how you're going to act by practicing this, it's going to come naturally to you. No, it's not. But if you mask to get through the class and you're doing it from that Jane Goodall perspective of like, this is a research project, you can preserve a little bit of your sanity.” - Angela “I don't understand the concept of high school reunions because the people that I want to see, I stayed in contact with the entire time. I'm not going back to say, ‘yes, I'm 45 and I knew you people when I was 17 and 18. I've lived literally an entire life since then. It's like going back to the 1800's and being reincarnated and saying, ‘yes, the butter churning sure was an excellent time, was it not?'” - Matt“You're going to attract the boring people. You're going to be put in situations that compromise your integrity. You're going to be put in situations that make you compromise your morals. The more you compromise yourself, the more dangerous the world becomes. You need to find the people who will support and love the real you. And if you have to do this under the radar, then by all means do it. But be aware that you do have the cape. You must wear it underneath the costume.” - Matt“Just because they're in the majority, doesn't mean that they shape the world. You are in a better position to make the world a better place just by having existed in it. You are going to be memorable. The average people are not going to be memorable.” - MattIn this episode, we dive into the challenges and nuances of autism culture for teens and tweens. From navigating school transitions and unspoken social hierarchies to finding ways to fit in while staying true to themselves, we discuss how to support autistic teens through these pivotal years. Thanks for tuning in! Share your thoughts in the comments and join the conversation using #AutisticCultureCatch on social media. What resonated with you in this discussion? Let us know!Show Notes:Galaxy High - Ep 1 Welcome to Galaxy High - 1986 CartoonYouTube · DRamos520 Mixed Music & Video24 Mar 2023The Muppets (2011 film)Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › The_Muppets_(2011_...Related Shows:Apple is AutisticGeorge Lucas is AutisticReady for a paradigm shift that empowers Autistics? Help spread the news!Follow us on InstagramFind us on Apple Podcasts and SpotifyLearn more about Matt at Matt Lowry, LPPJoin Matt's Autistic Connections Facebook GroupLearn more about Angela at AngelaKingdon.com Angela's social media: Twitter and TikTokOur Autism-affirming merch shop This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.autisticculturepodcast.com/subscribe

An episode that reshapes holiday traditions.Here's what's in store for today's episode: * In today's episode, we explore how to have a joyful neurodivergent Christmas by prioritizing your needs and letting go of expectations.* We discuss how autistics rely on routines, and how the holidays can disrupt them, leading to dysregulation and chaos.* Matt and Angela dive into how Hallmark movies portray the stereotypical, picture-perfect version of Christmas—a version that often feels far removed from reality, especially for autistics. They explore how these idealized depictions can create unrealistic expectations and fail to consider the unique ways neurodivergent individuals experience the holiday season.* We talk about how, since autism is genetic, many people in the household during the holidays might also be silently navigating sensory overload while juggling holiday pressures.* Our hosts discuss the challenges of having family members who are autistic but don't identify as such or seek a diagnosis, and how this lack of acknowledgment can increase masking for the openly autistic individuals around them.* Having meltdowns around Christmas doesn't have to feel overwhelming or unmanageable—as long as you have the right tools in place, like sensory supports or safe people to help you navigate the moment.* We discuss the importance of advocating for accommodations and using the acceptance of those accommodations—such as turning off the TV, avoiding twinkle lights, or lowering noise levels for sensory reasons—as a baseline for deciding whether or not to attend holiday gatherings.* We also discuss how unusual and counterintuitive it is for autistics that physical touch, like hugging and kissing relatives, is so heavily emphasized during the holidays. We also dive into how odd—and frankly creepy—it is that kids are expected to sit on a mall Santa's lap and share their secrets.* Having a comfort kit is essential for an autistic person during the holidays—packed with stim toys, eye masks, comfort blankets, and other items to support sensory regulation.* We talk about Matt's Christmas Dragon tradition, which he created with his son, and the importance of crafting personalized family traditions that cater to your sensory and emotional regulation needs.* Matt and Angela discuss the importance of setting and enforcing boundaries at holiday events, including creating a plan to leave early if overstimulation occurs or if the situation calls for it.* We discuss the autistic tendency to be thoughtful gift-givers, as we often pay close attention to and deeply consider people's interests when selecting presents.* Holidays can be especially challenging for autistic people because we're not always able to access our safe foods. We discuss autistic food rules around the holidays, emphasizing that you don't have to eat the family meal if it's unbearable for you. Sometimes, a McNugget platter might be the best food tradition to introduce in an autistic household.* Self-care strategies during the holidays are vital for autistic people. We share some strategies that might work for you, including creating a list of holiday comfort shows and movies, using Christmas-themed comfort blankets and candles, and doing the planning work to ensure your holiday aligns with your needs and preferences.“So, if you're listening to this on the day it's released, you have somehow survived Thanksgiving if you celebrate. And now there is Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, the day after Christmas, Boxing Day. There's still all of the New Year's expectations. And then there's this entire week or two off school, which, if you're a parent, you have your children at home and still have to figure out how to work. So everything is jumbled and out of order. If you're somebody who has created a life and a schedule to minimize sensory interruptions and other jilted expectations, the holidays are here to f**k with that.” - Angela “We are told what Christmas is, but yet there are an infinite number of variables that impact upon that. Everything from credit card debt to the thing that you're supposed to buy, you can't find.” - Matt“Create a safety plan, do self-care because honestly, the gauntlet between Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's, and Valentine's Day is just this long stretch of psychological horror.” - MattIn today's episode, we dive into navigating the holiday season as an autistic person, focusing on how to manage sensory overload, advocate for accommodations, and create a comfortable environment. Thanks for tuning in! Share your thoughts on the conversation in the comments, and use #AutisticCultureCatch to connect with fellow listeners on social media. What tips or insights from the episode will help you this holiday season?Resources:Jade Farrington's Community Guide to a Happy Neurodivergent Christmashttps://subscribepage.io/tO5RvlReady for a paradigm shift that empowers Autistics? Help spread the news!Follow us on InstagramFind us on Apple Podcasts and SpotifyLearn more about Matt at Matt Lowry, LPPJoin Matt's Autistic Connections Facebook GroupLearn more about Angela at AngelaKingdon.com Angela's social media: Twitter and TikTokOur Autism-affirming merch shop This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.autisticculturepodcast.com/subscribe

Iñaki Martiarena Otxotorena (« Mattin » ezizenez ezagunagoa) Donostiar komikigilearen ezagutza egin dugu. Hainbat alorretan aritu da ilustratzaile, hala nola umorean, grafismoan, diseinuan, komikian, karikaturan … Euskarazko haur eta gazte literaturako hainbat liburu ilustratu ditu.   Bere ibilbidea eta lan egiteko filosofia azaltzeaz gain, berriki plazaratu duen umore grafiko lana aurkeztu dauku : « Irritaia » (Zortziko argitaletxea)   Jatorria : Radiokultura

durée : 00:56:04 - Aranzadi zientzia elkartearen arkeologia saila : Mattin Aiestaran - Aranzadi Zientzia elkartea 1947an sortu zen, eta gaur egun arte, zientzien ikerketa, aplikazioa eta zabalkundea bultzatzen ditu, Euskal Herrian. Arkeologia sailan ari den Mattin Aiestaran gomitak arkeologia lan eta proiektuak aipatzen dizkigu

durée : 00:56:04 - Aranzadi zientzia elkartearen arkeologia saila : Mattin Aiestaran - Aranzadi Zientzia elkartea 1947an sortu zen, eta gaur egun arte, zientzien ikerketa, aplikazioa eta zabalkundea bultzatzen ditu, Euskal Herrian. Arkeologia sailan ari den Mattin Aiestaran gomitak arkeologia lan eta proiektuak aipatzen dizkigu

Isolation and electroacoustics, listening and openness, putting rock into the coffin. The artist, musician and theorist discusses three important albums. Mattin's picks: Roberta Settels – Isolation! Meinhof In MemoriamAMM – The CryptLou Reed & Metallica – LuluMattin's new album, Expanding Concert (Lisboa 2019-2023), is out now. Check it out here. Mattin's website is here and he's also on Instagram.Donate to Crucial Listening on Ko-fi: https://ko-fi.com/cruciallistening

BACK with some of the world's foremost experts on NOISE: Mattin & Inigo Wilkins.Relevant links include:The Noise Research Union (NRU) which involves both Mattin and Inigo alongside founding members Cécile Malaspina, Martina Raponi, Miguel Prado, and Sonia de Jager.Mattin's AWESOME book Social Dissonance (out on Urbanomic).Mattin's podcast Social Discipline.Inigo Wilkin's UPCOMING book, which is obviously going to be amazing, which will be released on Urbanomic: Irreversible Noise (here's a sneak peak from an interview with Nina Protocol).

CITR's 24 Hours of Radio Art in a snack sized format. Dark Ambient. Drone. Field Recordings. Noise. Sound Art. Or something. This Friday afternoon's broadcast features new Relay Station, Regler + Courtis‘ “Regel #13 [Noise Rock]”, Acid Mothers Reynols, Manja Ristic + Murmer, Mattin's Expanding Concert (Lisboa 2019-2023) series (w/ João Artur, Vuduvum Vadavã, DJ Marfox, Margarida Garcia, and Nuno da Luz), plus local music by Ritual Purification, Download, and D.O.A.. Starting at 2 PM Pacific on CITR 101.9FM, streaming at PLAYER.CITR.CA D.O.A. are at the Commodore Ballroom (868 Granville Street), this Saturday, 11 May.

CITR's 24 Hours of Radio Art in a snack sized format. Dark Ambient. Drone. Field Recordings. Noise. Sound Art. Or something. This morning's broadcast features zake, TRISTAN DA CUNHA, DJ MARFOX / MARGARIDA GARCIA / MATTIN / PIERRE BAL BLANC and ARCHAIC.

CITR's 24 Hours of Radio Art in a snack sized format. Dark Ambient. Drone. Field Recordings. Noise. Sound Art. Or something. This Friday afternoon's broadcast features Montreal's Ana Dall'Ara-Majek, Conclusive Entanglement, zake, Mattin's Expanding Concert (Lisboa 2019-2023) series (w/ Vuduvum Vadavã, DJ Marfox, Margarida Garcia, and Dasha Birukova); Ajitena Marco Scarassatti, Barbara De Dominicis, Joana Guerra, and Yannick Dauby from sirr-ecords' April 25th compilation, plus the CITR Global Network premiere of Vancouver's CHXMERAS' ‘Terminal City‘. Starting at Midnight Pacific on CiTR 101.9FM, streaming at PLAYER.CITR.CA CHXMERAS are at the Lobe Studio (713 East Hastings) Saturday, 04 May at 10 PM.

In this episode, we asked our good friend, David Ganulin to join us to talk about marketing and how the domain of marketing can inform learning and development. Of course, that didn't stop us from deviating off topic! Of course, we still do The Best and the Worst.We have a brief conversation about the following concepts: Hard Fun, coined by Dr. Seymour Papert. You can find out more here: https://dailypapert.com/hard-fun/Mihaly Robert Csikszentmihalyi: Flow: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_(psychology)Vygotsky and Zone of Proximal Development: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_of_proximal_developmentRobert Bjork- Desired Difficulty: https://3starlearningexperiences.wordpress.com/2023/02/21/demystifying-desirable-difficulties-1-what-they-are/Anders Ericsson Deliberate Practice: https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1993-40718-001Matt differentiates between Openers and Icebreakers here: https://www.thiagi.com/games/2023/4/27/linking-in-with-mattIn the meantime, Matt referenced LDA's good friend, Ashley Sinclair and her company, MAAS Marketing, which provides marketing services specifically for L&D teams in organizations. You can find out more about Ashley here: https://www.maas-marketing.co.uk/A bit more about Dave:David Ganulin tries to use his marketing superpowers so good triumphs over evil. He loves that he can write in the third person, as well as the fact that he literally just used the term "marketing superpowers" in the first sentence of a professional bio unironically. He graduated from the University of Rochester with an M.S in Teaching, Curriculum, and Development and upon graduation, left for Japan where he served as a college Professor for five years in a variety of institutions teaching English as a Second Language, English literature, writing, and other advanced classes. Upon returning to New York City in 2000, he found himself at the tail end of Dot Bomb 1.0, and we all know how that went! He served in a variety of marketing positions beginning in 2001 and was lucky enough to learn the field from the ground up from being hands-on as well as from some incredible Mentors in the field. Along the way--while serving in a variety of higher level positions, he caught the entrepreneur bug and in 2001 (when absolutely nobody knew what a kettlebell was) ended up finding, scaling (with no outside capital), and eventually exiting a leading B2B education company KettleBell Concepts. He's been working alongside Pete Moore--Managing Partner of Integrity Square--as the firm's Chief Marketing Officer and Executive Producer of HALO Talks podcast since October 2018.You can find David here:Integrity Square: https://www.integritysq.com/Halotalks: https://www.halotalks.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidganulin/

durée : 00:31:27 - Circuit Bleu Côté Saveurs - France Bleu Pays Basque - Mattin Esponde est jeune chevrier à Ispoure, à la tête d'un troupeau d'une soixantaine de chèvres.

IntroAround New Years, Max Alexander, Laura Duffy, Matt and I tried to raise money for animal welfare (more specifically, the EA Animal Welfare Fund) on Twitter. We put out a list of incentives (see the pink image below), one of which was to record a drunk podcast episode if the greater Very Online Effective Altruism community managed to collectively donate $10,000.To absolutely nobody's surprise, they did ($10k), and then did it again ($20k) and then almost did it a third time ($28,945 as of March 9, 2024). To everyone who gave or helped us spread the word, and on behalf of the untold number of animals these dollars will help, thank you.And although our active promotion on Twitter has come to an end, it is not too late to give! I give a bit more context in a short monologue intro I recorded (sober) after the conversation, so without further ado, Drunk Pigeon Hour:Transcript(Note: very imperfect - sorry!)MonologueHi, this is Aaron. This episode of Pigeon Hour is very special for a couple of reasons.The first is that it was recorded in person, so three of us were physically within a couple feet of each other. Second, it was recorded while we were drunk or maybe just slightly inebriated. Honestly, I didn't get super drunk, so I hope people forgive me for that.But the occasion for drinking was that this, a drunk Pigeon Hour episode, was an incentive for a fundraiser that a couple of friends and I hosted on Twitter, around a little bit before New Year's and basically around Christmas time. We basically said, if we raise $10,000 total, we will do a drunk Pigeon Hour podcast. And we did, in fact, we are almost at $29,000, just shy of it. So technically the fundraiser has ended, but it looks like you can still donate. So, I will figure out a way to link that.And also just a huge thank you to everyone who donated. I know that's really cliche, but this time it really matters because we were raising money for the Effective Altruism Animal Welfare Fund, which is a strong contender for the best use of money in the universe.Without further ado, I present me, Matt, and Laura. Unfortunately, the other co-host Max was stuck in New Jersey and so was unable to participate tragically. Yeah so here it is!ConversationAARONHello, people who are maybe listening to this. I just, like, drank alcohol for, like, the first time in a while. I don't know. Maybe I do like alcohol. Maybe I'll find that out now.MATTUm, All right, yeah, so this is, this is Drunk Pigeon Hour! Remember what I said earlier when I was like, as soon as we are recording, as soon as we press record, it's going to get weird and awkward.LAURAI am actually interested in the types of ads people get on Twitter. Like, just asking around, because I find that I get either, like, DeSantis ads. I get American Petroleum Institute ads, Ashdale College.MATTWeirdly, I've been getting ads for an AI assistant targeted at lobbyists. So it's, it's like step up your lobbying game, like use this like tuned, I assume it's like tuned ChatGPT or something. Um, I don't know, but it's, yeah, it's like AI assistant for lobbyists, and it's like, like, oh, like your competitors are all using this, like you need to buy this product.So, so yeah, Twitter thinks I'm a lobbyist. I haven't gotten any DeSantis ads, actually.AARONI think I might just like have personalization turned off. Like not because I actually like ad personalization. I think I'm just like trying to like, uh, this is, this is like a half-baked protest of them getting rid of circles. I will try to minimize how much revenue they can make from me.MATTSo, so when I, I like went through a Tumblr phase, like very late. In like 2018, I was like, um, like I don't like, uh, like what's happening on a lot of other social media.Like maybe I'll try like Tumblr as a, as an alternative.And I would get a lot of ads for like plus-sized women's flannels.So, so like the Twitter ad targeting does not faze me because I'm like, oh, okay, like, I can, hold on.AARONSorry, keep going. I can see every ad I've ever.MATTCome across, actually, in your giant CSV of Twitter data.AARONJust because I'm a nerd. I like, download. Well, there's actually a couple of things. I just download my Twitter data once in a while. Actually do have a little web app that I might try to improve at some point, which is like, you drop it in and then it turns them. It gives you a csV, like a spreadsheet of your tweets, but that doesn't do anything with any of the other data that they put in there.MATTI feel like it's going to be hard to get meaningful information out of this giant csv in a short amount of time.AARONIt's a giant JSON, actually.MATTAre you just going to drop it all into c long and tell it to parse it for you or tell it to give you insights into your ads.AARONWait, hold on. This is such a.MATTWait. Do people call it “C-Long” or “Clong”?AARONWhy would it be long?MATTWell, because it's like Claude Long.LAURAI've never heard this phrase.MATTThis is like Anthropic's chat bot with a long context with so like you can put. Aaron will be like, oh, can I paste the entire group chat history?AARONOh yeah, I got clong. Apparently that wasn't acceptable so that it.MATTCan summarize it for me and tell me what's happened since I was last year. And everyone is like, Aaron, don't give our data to Anthropic, is already suss.LAURAEnough with the impressions feel about the Internet privacy stuff. Are you instinctively weirded out by them farming out your personal information or just like, it gives me good ads or whatever? I don't care.MATTI lean a little towards feeling weird having my data sold. I don't have a really strong, and this is probably like a personal failing of mine of not having a really strong, well formed opinion here. But I feel a little sketched out when I'm like all my data is being sold to everyone and I don't share. There is this vibe on Twitter that the EU cookies prompts are like destroying the Internet. This is regulation gone wrong. I don't share that instinct. But maybe it's just because I have average tolerance for clicking no cookies or yes cookies on stuff. And I have this vibe that will.AARONSketch down by data. I think I'm broadly fine with companies having my information and selling it to ad targeting. Specifically. I do trust Google a lot to not be weird about it, even if it's technically legal. And by be weird about it, what do mean? Like, I don't even know what I mean exactly. If one of their random employees, I don't know if I got into a fight or something with one of their random employees, it would be hard for this person to track down and just see my individual data. And that's just a random example off the top of my head. But yeah, I could see my view changing if they started, I don't know, or it started leaching into the physical world more. But it seems just like for online ads, I'm pretty cool with everything.LAURAHave you ever gone into the ad personalization and tried see what demographics they peg you?AARONOh yeah. We can pull up mine right now.LAURAIt's so much fun doing that. It's like they get me somewhat like the age, gender, they can predict relationship status, which is really weird.AARONThat's weird.MATTDid you test this when you were in and not in relationships to see if they got it right?LAURANo, I think it's like they accumulate data over time. I don't know. But then it's like we say that you work in a mid sized finance. Fair enough.MATTThat's sort of close.LAURAYeah.AARONSorry. Keep on podcasting.LAURAOkay.MATTDo they include political affiliation in the data you can see?AARONOkay.MATTI would have been very curious, because I think we're all a little bit idiosyncratic. I'm probably the most normie of any of us in terms of. I can be pretty easily sorted into, like, yeah, you're clearly a Democrat, but all of us have that classic slightly. I don't know what you want to call it. Like, neoliberal project vibe or, like, supply side. Yeah. Like, some of that going on in a way that I'm very curious.LAURAThe algorithm is like, advertising deSantis.AARONYeah.MATTI guess it must think that there's some probability that you're going to vote in a republican primary.LAURAI live in DC. Why on earth would I even vote, period.MATTWell, in the primary, your vote is going to count. I actually would think that in the primary, DC is probably pretty competitive, but I guess it votes pretty. I think it's worth.AARONI feel like I've seen, like, a.MATTI think it's probably hopeless to live. Find your demographic information from Twitter. But, like.AARONAge 13 to 54. Yeah, they got it right. Good job. I'm only 50, 99.9% confident. Wait, that's a pretty General.MATTWhat's this list above?AARONOh, yeah. This is such a nerd snipe. For me, it's just like seeing y'all. I don't watch any. I don't regularly watch any sort of tv series. And it's like, best guesses of, like, I assume that's what it is. It thinks you watch dune, and I haven't heard of a lot of these.MATTWait, you watch cocaine there?AARONBig bang theory? No, I definitely have watched the big Bang theory. Like, I don't know, ten years ago. I don't know. Was it just, like, random korean script.MATTOr whatever, when I got Covid real bad. Not real bad, but I was very sick and in bed in 2022. Yeah, the big bang theory was like, what I would say.AARONThese are my interest. It's actually pretty interesting, I think. Wait, hold on. Let me.MATTOh, wait, it's like, true or false for each of these?AARONNo, I think you can manually just disable and say, like, oh, I'm not, actually. And, like, I did that for Olivia Rodrigo because I posted about her once, and then it took over my feed, and so then I had to say, like, no, I'm not interested in Olivia Rodrigo.MATTWait, can you control f true here? Because almost all of these. Wait, sorry. Is that argentine politics?AARONNo, it's just this.MATTOh, wait, so it thinks you have no interest?AARONNo, this is disabled, so I haven't. And for some reason, this isn't the list. Maybe it was, like, keywords instead of topics or something, where it was the.MATTGot it.AARONYes. This is interesting. It thinks I'm interested in apple stock, and, I don't know, a lot of these are just random.MATTWait, so argentine politics was something it thought you were interested in? Yeah. Right.AARONCan.MATTDo you follow Maya on Twitter?AARONWho's Maya?MATTLike, monetarist Maya? Like, neoliberal shell two years ago.AARONI mean, maybe. Wait, hold on. Maybe I'm just like.MATTYeah, hardcore libertarianism.LAURAYeah. No, so far so good with him. I feel like.AARONMaia, is it this person? Oh, I am.MATTYeah.AARONOkay.MATTYeah, she was, like, neoliberal shell two years ago.AARONSorry, this is, like, such an errands. Like snipe. I got my gender right. Maybe. I don't know if I told you that. Yeah. English. Nice.MATTWait, is that dogecoin?AARONI assume there's, like, an explicit thing, which is like, we're going to err way on the side of false positives instead of false negatives, which is like. I mean, I don't know. I'm not that interested in AB club, which.MATTYou'Re well known for throwing staplers at your subordinate.AARONYeah.LAURAWait, who did you guys support in 2020 primary?MATTYou were a Pete stan.LAURAI was a Pete stan. Yes, by that point, definitely hardcore. But I totally get. In 2016, I actually was a Bernie fan, which was like, I don't know how much I was really into this, or just, like, everybody around me was into it. So I was trying to convince myself that he was better than Hillary, but I don't know, that fell apart pretty quickly once he started losing. And, yeah, I didn't really know a whole lot about politics. And then, like, six months later, I became, like, a Reddit libertarian.AARONWe think we've talked about your ideological evolution.MATTHave you ever done the thing of plotting it out on the political? I feel like that's a really interesting.LAURAExercise that doesn't capture the online. I was into Ben Shapiro.MATTReally? Oh, my God. That's such a funny lore fact.AARONI don't think I've ever listened to Ben Shapiro besides, like, random clips on Twitter that I like scroll?MATTI mean, he talks very fast. I will give him that.LAURAAnd he's funny. And I think it's like the fast talking plus being funny is like, you can get away with a lot of stuff and people just end up like, oh, sure, I'm not really listening to this because it's on in the background.AARONYeah.MATTIn defense of the Bernie thing. So I will say I did not support Bernie in 2016, but there was this moment right about when he announced where I was very intrigued. And there's something about his backstory that's very inspiring. This is a guy who has been just extraordinarily consistent in his politics for close to 50 years, was saying lots of really good stuff about gay rights when he was like, Burlington mayor way back in the day, was giving speeches on the floor of the House in the number one sound very similar to the things he's saying today, which reflects, you could say, maybe a very myopic, closed minded thing, but also an ideological consistency. That's admirable. And I think is pointing at problems that are real often. And so I think there is this thing that's, to me, very much understandable about why he was a very inspiring candidate. But when it came down to nitty gritty details and also to his decisions about who to hire subordinates and stuff, very quickly you look at the Bernie campaign alumni and the nuances of his views and stuff, and you're like, okay, wait, this is maybe an inspiring story, but does it actually hold up?AARONProbably not.LAURAYeah, that is interesting. It's like Bernie went woke in 2020, kind of fell apart, in my opinion.AARONI stopped following or not following on social media, just like following him in general, I guess. 2016 also, I was 16. You were not 16. You were.MATTYeah, I was in college at that time, so I was about 20.AARONSo that was, you can't blame it. Anything that I do under the age of 18 is like just a race when I turn 18.LAURAOkay, 2028 draft. Who do we want to be democratic nominee?AARONOh, Jesse from pigeonhole. I honestly think he should run. Hello, Jesse. If you're listening to this, we're going to make you listen to this. Sorry. Besides that, I don't know.MATTI don't have, like, an obvious front runner in mind.AARONWait, 2028? We might be dead by 2028. Sorry, we don't talk about AI.MATTYeah.AARONNo, but honestly, that is beyond the range of planability, I think. I don't actually think all humans are going to be dead by 2028. But that is a long way away. All I want in life is not all I want. This is actually what I want out of a political leader. Not all I want is somebody who is good on AI and also doesn't tells the Justice Department to not sue California or whatever about their gestation. Or maybe it's like New Jersey or something about the gestation crate.MATTOh, yeah. Top twelve.AARONYeah. Those are my two criteria.MATTCorey Booker is going to be right on the latter.AARONYeah.MATTI have no idea about his views on.AARONIf to some extent. Maybe this is actively changing as we speak, basically. But until recently it wasn't a salient political issue and so it was pretty hard to tell. I don't know. I don't think Biden has a strong take on it. He's like, he's like a thousand years old.LAURAWatch what Mitch should have possibly decided. That's real if we don't do mean.AARONBut like, but his executive order was way better than I would have imagined. And I, like, I tweeted about, know, I don't think I could have predicted that necessarily.MATTI agree. I mean, I think the Biden administration has been very reasonable on AI safety issues and that generally is reflective. Yeah, I think that's reflective of the.AARONTongue we know Joe Biden is listening to.MATTOkay.AARONOkay.MATTTopics that are not is like, this is a reward for the fundraiser. Do we want to talk about fundraiser and retrospective on that?AARONSure.MATTBecause I feel like, I don't know. That ended up going at least like one sigma above.AARONHow much? Wait, how much did we actually raise?MATTWe raised like 22,500.LAURAOkay. Really pissed that you don't have to go to Ava.AARONI guess this person, I won't name them, but somebody who works at a prestigious organization basically was seriously considering donating a good amount of his donation budget specifically for the shrimp costume. And, and we chatted about it over Twitter, DM, and I think he ended up not doing it, which I think was like the right call because for tax reasons, it would have been like, oh. He thought like, oh, yeah, actually, even though that's pretty funny, it's not worth losing. I don't know, maybe like 1000 out of $5,000 tax reasons or whatever. Clearly this guy is actually thinking through his donations pretty well. But I don't know, it brought him to the brink of donating several, I think, I don't know, like single digit thousands of dollars. Exactly.LAURAClearly an issue in the tax.AARONDo you have any tax take? Oh, wait, sorry.MATTYeah, I do think we should like, I mean, to the extent you are allowed by your employer too, in public space.AARONAll people at think tanks, they're supposed to go on podcast and tweet. How could you not be allowed to do that kind of thing?MATTSorry, keep going. But yeah, no, I mean, I think it's worth dwelling on it a little bit longer because I feel like, yeah, okay, so we didn't raise a billion dollars as you were interested in doing.AARONYeah. Wait, can I make the case for like. Oh, wait. Yeah. Why? Being slightly unhinged may have been actually object level. Good. Yeah, basically, I think this didn't end up exposed to. We learned this didn't actually end up happening. I think almost all of the impact money, because it's basically one of the same in this context. Sorry. Most of the expected money would come in the form of basically having some pretty large, probably billionaire account, just like deciding like, oh, yeah, I'll just drop a couple of mil on this funny fundraiser or whatever, or maybe less, honestly, listen, $20,000, a lot of money. It's probably more money than I have personally ever donated. On the other hand, there's definitely some pretty EA adjacent or broadly rationalist AI adjacent accounts whose net worth is in at least tens of millions of dollars, for whom $100,000 just would not actually affect their quality of life or whatever. And I think, yeah, there's not nontrivial chance going in that somebody would just decide to give a bunch of money.MATTI don't know. My view is that even the kinds of multimillionaires and billionaires that hang out on Twitter are not going to ever have dropped that much on a random fundraiser. They're more rational.AARONWell, there was proof of concept for rich people being insane. Is Balaji giving like a million dollars to James Medlock.MATTThat's true.AARONThat was pretty idiosyncratic. Sorry. So maybe that's not fair. On the other hand. On the other hand, I don't know, people do things for clout. And so, yeah, I would have, quote, tweeted. If somebody was like, oh yeah, here's $100,000 guys, I would have quote, tweeted the shit out of them. They would have gotten as much possible. I don't know. I would guess if you have a lot of rich people friends, they're also probably on Twitter, especially if it's broadly like tech money or whatever. And so there's that. There's also the fact that, I don't know, it's like object people, at least some subset of rich people have a good think. EA is basically even if they don't identify as an EA themselves, think like, oh yeah, this is broadly legit and correct or whatever. And so it's not just like a random.MATTThat's true. I do think the choice of the animal welfare fund made that harder. Right. I think if it's like bed nets, I think it's more likely that sort of random EA rich person would be like, yes, this is clearly good. And I think we chose something that I think we could all get behind.AARONBecause we have, there was a lot of politicking around.MATTYeah, we all have different estimates of the relative good of different cause areas and this was the one we could very clearly agree on, which I think is very reasonable and good. And I'm glad we raised money for the animal welfare fund, but I do think that reduces the chance of, yeah.LAURAI think it pushes the envelope towards the animal welfare fund being more acceptable as in mainstream ea.org, just like Givewell would be. And so by forcing that issue, maybe we have done more good for the.AARONThat there's like that second order effect. I do just think even though you're like, I think choosing this over AMF or whatever, global health fund or whatever decreased the chance of a random person. Not a random person, but probably decrease the total amount of expected money being given. I think that was just trumped by the fact that I think the animal welfare, the number I pull out of thin air is not necessarily not out of thin air, but very uncertain is like 1000 x or whatever relative to the standards you vote for. Quote, let it be known that there is a rabbit on the premises. Do they interact with other rodents?MATTOkay, so rabbits aren't rodents. We can put this on the pod. So rabbits are lagging wars, which is.AARONFuck is that?MATTIt's a whole separate category of animals.AARONI just found out that elk were part of it. Like a type of deer. This is another world shattering insight.MATTNo, but rabbits are evolutionarily not part of the same. I guess it's a family on the classification tree.AARONNobody, they taught us that in 7th grade.MATTYeah, so they're not part of the same family as rodents. They're their own thing. What freaks me out is that guinea pigs and rabbits seem like pretty similar, they have similar diet.AARONThat's what I was thinking.MATTThey have similar digestive systems, similar kind of like general needs, but they're actually like, guinea pigs are more closely related to rats than they are to rabbits. And it's like a convergent evolution thing that they ended up.AARONAll mammals are the same. Honestly.MATTYeah. So it's like, super weird, but they're not rodents, to answer your question. Rabbits do like these kinds of rabbits. So these are all pet rabbits are descended from european. They're not descended from american rabbits because.LAURAAmerican rabbits like cotton tails. Oh, those are different.MATTYeah. So these guys are the kinds of rabbits that will live in warrens. Warrens. So, like, tunnel systems that they like. Like Elizabeth Warren. Yeah. And so they'll live socially with other rabbits, and they'll dig warrens. And so they're used to living in social groups. They're used to having a space they need to keep clean. And so that's why they can be, like, litter box trained, is that they're used to having a warren where you don't just want to leave poop everywhere. Whereas american rabbits are more solitary. They live above ground, or in my understanding is they sometimes will live in holes, but only occupying a hole that another animal has dug. They won't do their hole themselves. And so then they are just not social. They're not easily litter box trained, that kind of stuff. So all the domestic rabbits are bred from european ones.AARONI was thinking, if you got a guinea pig, would they become friends? Okay.MATTSo apparently they have generally similar dispositions and it can get along, but people don't recommend it because each of them can carry diseases that can hurt the other one. And so you actually don't want to do it. But it does seem very cute to have rabbit.AARONNo, I mean, yeah. My last pet was a guinea pig, circa 20. Died like, a decade ago. I'm still not over it.MATTWould you consider another one?AARONProbably. Like, if I get a pet, it'll be like a dog or a pig. I really do want a pig. Like an actual pig.MATTWait, like, not a guinea pig? Like a full size pig?AARONYeah. I just tweeted about this. I think that they're really cool and we would be friends. I'm being slightly sarcastic, but I do think if I had a very large amount of money, then the two luxury purchases would be, like, a lot of massages and a caretaker and space and whatever else a pig needs. And so I could have a pet.MATTLike, andy organized a not EADC, but EADC adjacent trip to Rosie's farm sanctuary.AARONOh, I remember this. Yeah.MATTAnd we got to pet pigs. And they were very sweet and seems very cute and stuff. They're just like, they feel dense, not like stupid. But when you pet them, you're like, this animal is very large and heavy for its size. That was my biggest surprising takeaway, like, interacting with the hair is not soft either. No, they're pretty coarse, but they seem like sweeties, but they are just like very robust.LAURAHave you guys seen Dave?AARONYes.LAURAThat's like one of the top ten movies of all time.AARONYou guys watch movies? I don't know. Maybe when I was like four. I don't like.LAURAOkay, so the actor who played farmer Hoggett in this movie ended up becoming a vegan activist after he realized, after having to train all of the animals, that they were extremely intelligent. And obviously the movie is about not killing animals, and so that ended up going pretty well.AARONYeah, that's interesting. Good brown.MATTOkay, sorry. Yeah, no, this is all tracked. No, this is great. We are doing a drunk podcast rather than a sober podcast, I think, precisely because we are trying to give the people some sidetracks and stuff. Right. But I jokingly put on my list of topics like, we solved the two envelopes paradox once and for all.AARONNo, but it's two boxing.MATTNo. Two envelopes. No. So this is the fundamental challenge to questions about, I think one of the fundamental challenges to be like, you multiply out the numbers and the number.AARONYeah, I feel like I don't have like a cash take. So just like, tell me the thing.MATTOkay.AARONI'll tell you the correct answer. Yeah.MATTOkay, great. We were leading into this. You were saying, like, animal charity is 1000 x game, right?AARONConditional. Yeah.MATTAnd I think it's hard to easily get to 1000 x, but it is totally possible to get to 50 x if you just sit down and multiply out numbers and you're like, probability of sentience and welfare range.AARONI totally stand by that as my actual point estimate. Maybe like a log mean or something. I'm actually not sure, but. Sorry, keep going.MATTOkay, so one line of argument raised against this is the two envelopes problem, and I'm worried I'm going to do a poor job explaining this. Laura, please feel free to jump in if I say something wrong. So two envelopes is like, it comes from the thing of, like, suppose you're given two envelopes and you're told that one envelope has twice as much money in it as the other.AARONOh, you are going to switch back and forth forever.MATTExactly. Every time. You're like, if I switch the other envelope and it has half as much money as this envelope, then I lose 0.5. But if it has twice as much money as this envelope, then I gain one. And so I can never decide on which envelope because it always looks like it's positive ev to switch the other. So that's where the name comes from.AARONI like a part that you're like, you like goggles?MATTSo let me do the brief summary, which is that basically, depending on which underlying units you pick, whether you work in welfare range, units that are using one human as the baseline or one chicken as the baseline, you can end up with different outputs of the expected value calculation. Because it's like, basically, is it like big number of chickens times some fraction of the human welfare range that dominates? Or is it like some small probability that chickens are basically not sentient times? So then a human has like a huge human's welfare range is huge in chicken units, and which of those dominates is determined by which unit you work in.AARONI also think, yeah, this is not a good conducive to this problem. Is not conducive to alcohol or whatever. Or alcohol is not going to this issue. To this problem or whatever. In the maximally abstract envelope thing. I have an intuition that's something weird kind of probably fake going on. I don't actually see what the issue is here. I don't believe you yet that there's like an actual issue here. It's like, okay, just do the better one. I don't know.MATTOkay, wait, I'll get a piece of paper. Talk amongst yourselves, and I think I'll be able to show this is like.LAURAMe as the stats person, just saying I don't care about the math. At some point where it's like, look, I looked at an animal and I'm like, okay, so we have evolutionarily pretty similar paths. It would be insane to think that it's not feeling like, it's not capable of feeling hedonic pain to pretty much the same extent as me. So I'm just going to ballpark it. And I don't actually care for webs.AARONI feel like I've proven my pro animal bona fide. I think it's bona fide. But here, and I don't share that intuition, I still think that we can go into that megapig discourse. Wait, yeah, sort of. Wait, not exactly megapig discourse. Yeah, I remember. I think I got cyberbullyed by, even though they didn't cyberbully me because I was informed of offline bullying via cyber about somebody's, sorry, this is going to sound absolutely incoherent. So we'll take this part out. Yeah. I was like, oh, I think it's like some metaphysical appeal to neuron counts. You specifically told me like, oh, yeah, Mr. So and so didn't think this checked out. Or whatever. Do you know what I'm talking about?LAURAYeah.AARONOkay. No, but maybe I put it in dawn or Cringey or pretentious terms, but I do think I'm standing by my metaphysical neurons claim here. Not that I'm super confident in anything, but just that we're really radically unsure about the nature of sentience and qualia and consciousness. And probably it has something to do with neurons, at least. They're clearly related in a very boring sciency way. Yeah. It's not insane to me that, like, that, like. Like the unit of. Yeah, like the. The thing. The thing that, like, produces or like is, or like is directly, like one to one associated with, like, particular, like. Like, I guess, amount, for lack of better terms, of conscious experience, is some sort of physical thing. The neurons jumps out as the unit that might make sense. And then there's like, oh, yeah, do we really think all the neurons that control the tongue, like the motor function of the tongue, are those really make you quadrillion more important than a seal or whatever? And then I go back to, okay, even though I haven't done any research on this, maybe it's just like opiate. The neurons directly related neuron counts directly of. Sorry. Neurons directly involved in pretty low level hedonic sensations. The most obvious one would be literal opioid receptors. Maybe those are the ones that matter. This is like, kind of. I feel like we've sort of lost the plot a little.MATTOkay, this is like weird drunk math.AARONBut I think your handwriting is pretty good.MATTI think I have it. So suppose we work in human units. I have a hypothetical intervention that can help ten chickens or one human, and we assume that when I say help, it's like, help them. The same of it. So if I work in human units, I say maybe there is a 50% chance that a chicken is zero one to 1100 of a human and a 50% chance that a chicken and a human are equal. Obviously, this is a thought experiment. I'm not saying that this is my real world probabilities, but suppose that these are my credences. So I do out the EV. The thing that helps ten chickens. I say that, okay, in half of the world, chickens are one 100th of a human, so helping ten of them is worth, like, zero five. Sorry, helping ten of them is zero one. And so 0.5 times zero one times ten is zero five. And then in the other half of the world, I say that a chicken and a human are equal. So then my intervention helps ten chickens, which is like helping ten humans so my total credence, like the benefit in that set of worlds with my 0.5 probability, is five. And so in the end, the chicken intervention wins because it has, on net, an ev of 5.5 versus one for the human intervention. Because the human intervention always helps one human. I switch it around and I say my base unit of welfare range, or, like moral weight, or whatever you want to say, is chicken units. Like, one chicken's worth of moral weight. So in half of the world, a human is worth 100 chickens, and then in the other half of the world, a human is worth one chicken. So I do out the ev for my intervention that helps the one human. Now, in the chicken units, and in chicken units, like, half of the time, that human is worth 100 chickens. And so I get 0.5 times, 100 times one, which is 50. And then in the other half of the world, the chicken and the human are equal. And so then it's 0.5 times one, times one, because I'm helping one human, so that's 0.5. The ev is 50.5. And then I do have my ev for my chicken welfare thing. That's, like, ten chickens, and I always help ten chickens. And so it's ten as my units of good. So when I worked in human units, I said that the chickens won because it was 5.5 human units versus one human unit for helping the human. When I did it in chicken units, it was 50.5 to help the humans versus ten to help the chickens. And so now I'm like, okay, my ev is changing just based on which units I work in. And I think this is, like, the two envelopes problem that's applied to animals. Brian Tomasic has, like, a long post about this, but I think this is, like, this is a statement or an example of the problem.AARONCool.LAURACan I just say something about the moral weight project? It's like, really just. We ended up coming up with numbers, which I think may have been a bit of a mistake in the end, because I think the real value of that was going through the literature and finding out the similarities and the traits between animals and humans, and then there are a surprising number of them that we have in common. And so at the end of the day, it's a judgment call. And I don't know what you do with it, because that is, like, a legit statistical problem with things that arises when you put numbers on stuff.MATTSo I'm pretty sympathetic to what you're saying here of, like, the core insight of the moral weight project is, like, when we look at features that could plausibly determine capacity to experience welfare, we find that a pig and a human have a ton in common. Obviously, pigs cannot write poetry, but they do show evidence of grief behavior when another pig dies. And they show evidence of vocalizing in response to pain and all of these things. I think coming out of the moral waste project being like, wow. Under some form of utilitarianism, it's really hard to justify harms to, or like harms to pigs. Really. Morally matter makes complete sense. I think the challenge here is when you get to something like black soldier flies or shrimp, where when you actually look at the welfare range table, you see that the number of proxies that they likely or definitely have is remarkably low. The shrimp number is hinging on. It's not hinging on a ton. They share a few things. And because there aren't that many categories overall, that ends up being in the median case. Like, they have a moral weight, like one 30th of a human. And so I worry that sort of your articulation of the benefit starts to break down when you get to those animals. And we start to like, I don't know what you do without numbers there. And I think those numbers are really susceptible to this kind of 200.AARONI have a question.MATTYeah, go.AARONWait. This supposed to be like 5.5 versus one?MATTYeah.AARONAnd this is 50.5 versus ten? Yeah. It sound like the same thing to me.MATTNo, but they've inverted this case, the chickens one. So it's like when I'm working in human units, right? Like, half the time, I help.AARONIf you're working in human units, then the chicken intervention looks 5.5 times better. Yes. Wait, can I write this down over here?MATTYeah. And maybe I'm not an expert on this problem. This is just like something that tortures me when I try and sleep at night, not like a thing that I've carefully studied. So maybe I'm stating this wrong, but, yeah. When I work in human units, the 50% probability in this sort of toy example that the chickens and the humans are equal means that the fact that my intervention can help more chickens makes the ev higher. And then when I work in the chicken units, the fact that human might be 100 times more sentient than the chicken or more capable of realizing welfare, to be technical, that means the human intervention just clearly wins.AARONJust to check that I would have this right, the claim is that in human units, the chicken intervention looks 5.5 times better than the human intervention. But when you use chicken units, the human intervention looks 5.5 times better than the chicken intervention. Is that correct?MATTYes, that's right.AARONWait, hold on. Give me another minute.MATTThis is why doing this drunk was a bad idea.AARONIn human.LAURANo, I think that's actually right. And I don't know what to do about the flies and shrimp and stuff like this. This is like where I draw my line of like, okay, so lemonstone quote.MATTTweeted me, oh, my God.LAURAI think he actually had a point of, there's a type of ea that is like, I'm going to set my budget constraint and then maximize within that versus start with a blank slate and allow the reason to take me wherever it goes. And I'm definitely in the former camp of like, my budget constraint is like, I care about humans and a couple of types of animals, and I'm just like drawing the line there. And I don't know what you do with the other types of things.MATTI am very skeptical of arguments that are like, we should end Medicare to spend it all on shrimp.AARONNo one's suggesting that. No, there's like a lot of boring, prosaic reasons.MATTI guess what I'm saying is there's a sense in which, like, totally agreeing with you. But I think the challenge is that object level.AARONYeah, you set us up. The political economy, I like totally by double it.MATTI think that there is. This is great. Aaron, I think you should have to take another shot for.AARONI'm sorry, this isn't fair. How many guys, I don't even drink, so I feel like one drink is like, is it infinity times more than normalize it? So it's a little bit handle.MATTI think there has to be room for moral innovation in my view. I think that your line of thinking, we don't want to do radical things based on sort of out there moral principles in the short term. Right. We totally want to be very pragmatic and careful when our moral ideas sort of put us really far outside of what's socially normal. But I don't think you get to where we are. I don't know what we owe the future was like a book that maybe was not perfect, but I think it eloquently argues with the fact that the first person to be like, hey, slavery in the Americas is wrong. Or I should say really the first person who is not themselves enslaved. Because of course, the people who are actually victims of this system were like, this is wrong from the start. But the first people to be like, random white people in the north being like, hey, this system is wrong. Looks super weird. And the same is true for almost any moral innovation. And so you have to, I think saying, like, my budget constraint is totally fixed seems wrong to me because it leaves no room for being wrong about some of your fundamental morals.LAURAYeah, okay. A couple of things here. I totally get that appeal 100%. At the same time, a lot of people have said this about things that now we look back at as being really bad, like the USSR. I think communism ends up looking pretty bad in retrospect, even though I think there are a lot of very good moral intuitions underpinning it.AARONYeah, I don't know. It's like, mostly an empirical question in that case, about what government policies do to human preference satisfaction, which is like, pretty. Maybe I'm too econ. These seem like very different questions.LAURAIt's like we let our reason go astray, I think.MATTRight, we, as in some humans.AARONNo, I think. Wait, at first glance. At first glance, I think communism and things in that vicinity seem way more intuitively appealing than they actually, or than they deserve to be, basically. And the notion of who is it? Like Adam Smith? Something Smith? Yeah, like free hand of the market or whatever. Invisible hand. Invisible free hand of the bunny ear of the market. I think maybe it's like, field intuitive to me at this point, because I've heard it a lot. But no, I totally disagree that people's natural intuition was that communism can't work. I think it's like, isn't true.MATTI'm not sure you guys are disagreeing with one.AARONYeah.MATTLike, I think, Laura, if I can attempt to restate your point, is that to at least a subset of the people in the USSR at the time of the russian revolution, communism plausibly looked like the same kind of moral innovation as lots of stuff we looked back on as being really good, like the abolition of slavery or like, women's rights or any of those other things. And so you need heuristics that will defend against these false moral innovations.AARONWait, no, you guys are both wrong. Wait, hold on. No, the issue there isn't that we disregard, I guess, humans, I don't know exactly who's responsible for what, but people disregarded some sort of deserving heuristic that would have gardened against communism. The issue was that, like, it was that, like, we had, like, lots of empirical, or, like, it's not even necessarily. I mean, in this case, it is empirical evidence, but, like, like, after a couple years of, like, communism or whatever, we had, like, lots of good evidence to think, oh, no, books like that doesn't actually help people, and then they didn't take action on that. That's the problem. If we were sitting here in 1910 or whatever, and I think it's totally possible, I will be convinced communism is, in fact, the right thing to do. But the thing that would be wrong is if, okay, five years later, you have kids starving or people starving or whatever, and maybe you can find intellectuals who claim and seem reasonably correct that they can explain how this downstream of your policies. Then doubling down is the issue, not the ex ante hypothesis that communism is good. I don't even know if that made any sense, I think.LAURABut we're in the ex ante position right now.AARONYeah, totally. Maybe we'll find out some sort of, whether it's empirical or philosophical or something like maybe in five years or two years or whatever, there'll be some new insight that sheds light on how morally valuable shrimp are. And we should take that into account.LAURAI don't know. Because it's really easy to get good feedback when other fellow humans are starving to death versus. How are you supposed to judge? No, we've made an improvement.AARONYeah, I do think. Okay. Yes. That's like a substantial difference. Consciousness is, like, extremely hard. Nobody knows what the hell is going on. It kind of drives me insane.MATTWhomstemonga has not been driven insane by the hard problem of consciousness.AARONYeah. For real. I don't know. I don't have to say. It's like, you kind of got to make your best guess at some point.MATTOkay, wait, so maybe tacking back to how to solve it, did you successfully do math on this piece of paper?AARONMostly? No, mostly I was word selling.MATTI like the verb form there.AARONYeah. No, I mean, like, I don't have, like, a fully thought out thing. I think in part this might be because of the alcohol. I'm pretty sure that what's going on here is just that, like, in fact, like, there actually is an asymmetry between chicken units and human units, which is that. Which is that we have much better idea. The real uncertainty here is how valuable a chicken is. There's probably somebody in the world who doubts this, but I think the common sense thing and thing that everybody assumes is we basically have it because we're all humans and there's a lot of good reasons to think we have a decent idea of how valuable another human life is. And if we don't, it's going to be a lot worse for other species. And so just, like, taking that as a given, the human units are the correct unit because the thing with the unit is that you take it as given or whatever. The real uncertainty here isn't the relationship between chickens and humans. The real question is how valuable is a chicken? And so the human units are just like the correct one to use.LAURAYeah, there's something there, which is the right theory is kind of driving a lot of the problem in the two envelope stuff. Because if you just chose one theory, then the units wouldn't really matter which one. The equality theory is like, you've resolved all the inter theoretic uncertainty and so wouldn't that get rid of.AARONI don't know if you know, if there's, like. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by theory.LAURALike, are they equal, the equality theory versus are they 1100 theory? And we're assuming that each of them has five probabilities each end. So if we resolved that, it's like we decide upon the 1100 theory, then the problem goes away.AARONYeah, I mean, that's true, but you might not be able to.MATTYeah, I think it doesn't reflect our current state or, like.AARONNo, just like taking as given the numbers, like, invented, which I think is fine for the illustration of the problem. Maybe a better example is what's, like, another thing, chicken versus a rabbit. I don't know. Or like rabbits. I don't know.MATTChicken versus shrimp. I think it's like a real one. Because if you're the animal welfare fund, you are practically making that decision.AARONYeah. I think that becomes harder. But it's not, like, fundamentally different. And it's like the question of, like, okay, which actually makes sense, makes more sense to use as a unit. And maybe you actually can come up with two, if you can just come up with two different species for which, on the merits, they're equally valid as a unit and there's no issue anymore. It really is 50 50 in the end.MATTYeah. I don't know. I see the point you're making. With humans, we know in some sense we have much more information about how capable of realizing welfare a human is. But I guess I treat this as, like, man, I don't know. It's like why all of my confidence intervals are just, like, massive on all these things is I'm just very confused by these problems and how much that.AARONSeems like I'm confused by this one. Sorry, I'm, like, half joking. It is like maybe. I don't know, maybe I'll be less confident. Alcohol or so.MATTYeah, I don't know. I think it's maybe much more concerning to me the idea that working in a different unit changes your conclusion radically.AARONThan it is to you.LAURASometimes. I don't know if this is, like, too much of a stoner cake or something like that.AARONBring it on.LAURAI kind of doubt working with numbers at all.MATTOkay. Fit me well.LAURAIt's just like when he's.AARONStop doing that.LAURAI don't know what to do, because expected value theory. Okay, so one of the things that, when we hired a professional philosopher to talk about uncertainty.MATTPause for a sec. Howie is very sweetly washing his ears, which is very cute in the background. He's like, yeah, I see how he licks his paws and squeezes his ear.AARONIs it unethical for me to videotape?MATTNo, you're more than welcome to videotape it, but I don't know, he might be done.AARONYeah, that was out.MATTLaura, I'm very sorry. No, yeah, you were saying you hired the professional philosopher.LAURAYeah. And one of the first days, she's like, okay, well, is it the same type of uncertainty if we, say, have a one in ten chance of saving the life of a person we know for sure is conscious, versus we have a certain chance of saving the life of an animal that has, like, a one in ten probability of being sentient? These seem like different types.AARONI mean, maybe in some sense they're like different types. Sure. But what are the implications? It's not obviously the same.LAURAIt kind of calls into question as to whether we can use the same mathematical approach for analyzing each of these.AARONI think my main take is, like, you got a better idea? That was like, a generic.LAURANo, I don't.AARONYeah. It's like, okay, yeah, these numbers are, like, probably. It seems like the least bad option if you're going by intuition. I don't know. I think all things considered, sometimes using numbers is good because our brains aren't built to handle getting moral questions correct.MATTYeah, I mean, I think that there is a very strong piece of evidence for what you're saying, Aaron, which is.AARONThe whole paper on this. It's called the unreasonable efficacy of mathematics in the natural sciences.MATTOr this is. This is interesting. I was going to make sort of an easier or simpler argument, which is just like, I think the global health ea pitch of, like, we tend to get charity radically wrong.AARONOften.MATTCharities very plausibly do differ by 100 x or 1000 x in cost effectiveness. And most of the time, most people don't take that into account and end up helping people close to them or help an issue that's salient to them or help whatever they've heard about most and leave opportunities for doing what I think is very difficult to argue as not being radically more effective opportunities on the table as a result. Now, I led into this saying that I have this very profound uncertainty when it comes to human versus animal trade offs. So I'm not saying that, yes, we just should shut up and multiply. But I do think that is sort of like the intuition for why I think the stoner take is very hard for me to endorse is that we know in other cases, actually bringing numbers to the problem leads to saving many more lives of real people who have all of the same hopes and dreams and fears and feelings and experiences as the people who would have been saved in alternate options.LAURAIsn't that just like still underlying this is we're sure that all humans are equal. And that's like our theory that we have endorsed.AARONWait, what?MATTOr like on welfare ranges, the differences among different humans are sufficiently small in terms of capacity to realize welfare. That plausibly they are.AARONYeah, I don't think anyone believes that. Does anyone believe that? Wait, some people that everybody's hedonic range is the same.LAURARandomly select a person who lives in Kenya. You would think that they have the same welfare range, a priority as somebody.MATTWho lives in the description. The fundamental statistics of describing their welfare range are the same.AARONYeah, I think that's probably correct. It's also at an individual level, I think it's probably quite varied between humans.LAURASo I don't think we can say that we can have the same assumption about animals. And that's where it kind of breaks down, is we don't know the right theory to apply it.AARONWell, yeah, it's a hard question. Sorry, I'm being like kind of sarcastic.LAURAI think you have to have the theory right. And you can't easily average over theories with numbers.MATTYeah, no, I mean, I think you're right. I think this is the challenge of the two envelopes. Problem is exactly this kind of thing. I'm like four chapters into moral uncertainty. The book.AARONBy Will.MATTYeah. McCaskill, Ord and Bryke Fist. I'm probably getting that name. But they have a third co author who is not as much of like an.AARONYeah, I don't know. I don't have any super eloquent take except that to justify the use of math right now. Although I actually think I could. Yeah, I think mostly it's like, insofar as there's any disagreement, it's like we're both pointing at the issue, pointing at a question, and saying, look at that problem. It's, like, really hard. And then I'm saying like, yeah, I know. Shit. You should probably just do your best to answer it. Sorry, maybe I'm just not actually adding any insight here or whatever, but I agree with you that a lot of these problems are very difficult, actually. Sorry, maybe this is, like, a little bit of a nonsense. Whatever. Getting back to the hard problem of consciousness, I really do think it feels like a cruel joke that we have to implicitly, we have to make decisions about potentially gigantic numbers of digital lives or, like, digital sentience or, you know, whatever you want to call it, without having any goddamn idea, like, what the fuck is up with consciousness. And, I don't know, it doesn't seem fair. Okay.MATTYeah, wait, okay, so fundraiser. This is great. We've done all of these branching off things. So we talked about how much we raised, which was, like, amount that I was quite happy with, though. Maybe that's, like, selfish because I didn't have to wear a shrink costume. And we talked about. Cause prio. We haven't talked about the whole fake OpenAI thing.AARONFake open AI.MATTWait. Like the entire.AARONOh, well, shout out to I really. God damn it, Qualy. I hope you turn into a human at some point, because let it be known that Qualy made a whole ass Google Doc to plan out the whole thing and was, like, the driving. Yeah, I think it's fair to say Qualy was the driving force.MATTYeah, totally. Like, absolutely had the concept, did the Google Doc. I think everybody played their parts really well, and I think that was very fun.AARONYeah, you did. Good job, everybody.MATTBut, yeah, that was fun. It was very unexpected. Also, I enjoyed that. I was still seeing tweets and replies that were like, wait, this was a bit. I didn't get this after the end of it, which maybe suggests. But if you look at the graph I think I sent in, maybe we.AARONShould pull up my. We can analyze my Twitter data and find out which things got how many views have.MATTLike, you have your text here. I think the graph of donations by date is, like, I sent in the text chat between.AARONMaybe I can pull it like, media.MATTLike you and me and Max and Laura. And it's very clear that that correlated with a. I think it's probably pretty close to the end.AARONMaybe I just missed this. Oh, Laura, thank you for making.MATTYeah, the cards were amazing cards.AARONThey're beautiful.MATTOh, wait, okay, maybe it's not. I thought I said. Anyway, yeah, we got, like, a couple grand at the start, and then definitely at least five grand, maybe like, ten grand, somewhere in the five to ten range.AARONCan we get a good csv going? Do you have access to. You don't have to do this right now.MATTWait, yeah, let me grab that.AARONI want to get, like, aerospace engineering grade cpus going to analyze the causal interactions here based on, I don't know, a few kilobytes of data. It's a baby laptop.MATTYeah, this is what the charts looked like. So it's basically like there was some increase in the first. We raised, like, a couple of grand in the first couple of days. Then, yeah, we raised close to ten grand over the course of the quality thing, and then there was basically flat for a week, and then we raised another ten grand right at the end.AARONThat's cool. Good job, guys.MATTAnd I was very surprised by this.AARONMaybe I didn't really internalize that or something. Maybe I was sort of checked out at that point. Sorry.MATTI guess. No, you were on vacation because when you were coming back from vacation, it's when you did, like, the fake Sama.AARONYeah, that was on the plane.LAURAOkay, yeah, I remember this. My mom got there the next day. I'm like, I'm checking out, not doing anything.AARONYeah, whatever. I'll get rstudio revving later. Actually, I'm gradually turning it into my worst enemy or something like that.MATTWait, how so?AARONI just use Python because it's actually faster and catchy and I don't have to know anything. Also, wait, this is like a rant. This is sort of a totally off topic take, but something I was thinking about. No, actually, I feel like a big question is like, oh, are LLMs going to make it easy for people to do bad things that make it easier for me to do? Maybe not terrible things, but things that are, like, I don't know, I guess of dubious or various things that are mostly in the realm of copyright violation or pirating are not ever enforced, as far as I can tell. But, no, I just couldn't have done a lot of things in the past, but now I can, so that's my anecdote.MATTOkay, I have a whole python.AARONYou can give me a list of YouTube URLs. I guess Google must do, like, a pretty good job of policing how public websites do for YouTube to md three sites, because nothing really just works very well very fast. But you can just do that in python, like, five minutes. But I couldn't do that before, so.MATTI feel like, to me, it's obvious that LLMs make it easier for people to do bad stuff. Exactly as you said because they let make in general make it easier for people to do stuff and they have some protections on this, but those protections are going to be imperfect. I think the much more interesting question in some sense is this like a step change relative to the fact that Google makes it way easier for you to do stuff and including bad stuff and the printing press made it way easier for you to do?AARONI wouldn't even call it a printing press.MATTI like think including bad stuff. So it's like, right, like every invention that generally increases people's capability to do stuff and share information also has these bad effects. And I think the hard question is, are LLMs, wait, did I just x.AARONNo, I don't think, wait, did I just like, hold on. I'm pretty sure it's like still wait, how do I have four things?LAURAWhat is the benefit of LLMs versus.AARONYou can ask it something and it tells you the answer.LAURAI know, but Google does this too.AARONI don't mean, I don't know if I have like a super, I don't think I have any insightful take it just in some sense, maybe these are all not the same, but maybe they're all of similar magnitude, but like object level. Now we live in a world with viruses CRISPR. Honestly, I think to the EA movement's credit, indefinite pause, stop. AI is just not, it's not something that I support. It's not something like most people support, it's not like the official EA position and I think for good reason. But yeah, going back to whatever it was like 1416 or whatever, who knows? If somebody said somebody invented the printing press and somebody else was like, yeah, we should, well I think there's some pretty big dis analysis just because of I guess, biotech in particular, but just like how destructive existing technologies are now. But if somebody had said back then, yeah, let's wait six months and see if we can think of any reason not to release the printing press. I don't think that would have been a terrible thing to do. I don't know, people. I feel like I'm saying something that's going to get coded as pretty extreme. But like x ante hard ex ante. People love thinking, exposed nobody. Like I don't know. I don't actually think that was relevant to anything. Maybe I'm just shit faced right now.MATTOn one shot of vodka.AARON$15 just to have one shot.MATTI'll have a little.AARONYeah. I think is honestly, wait. Yeah, this is actually interesting. Every time I drink I hope that it'll be the time that I discover that I like drinking and it doesn't happen, and I think that this is just because my brain is weird. I don't hate it. I don't feel, like, bad. I don't know. I've used other drugs, which I like. Alcohol just doesn't do it for me. Yeah, screw you, alcohol.MATTYes. And you're now 15.99 cheaper or 50. 99 poorer.AARONYeah, I mean, this will last me a lifetime.MATTYou can use it for, like, cleaning your sink.AARONWait, this has got to be the randomest take of all time. But, yeah, actually, like, isopropyl alcohol, top tier, disinfected. Because you don't have to do anything with it. You leave it there, it evaporates on its own.MATTHonestly. Yeah.AARONI mean, you don't want to be in an enclosed place or whatever. Sorry. To keep. Forget. This is like.MATTNo, I mean, it seems like a good take to me.AARONThat's all.MATTYeah, this is like a very non sequitur.AARONBut what are your guys' favorite cleaning suppliers?MATTOkay, this is kind of bad. Okay, this is not that bad. But I'm, like, a big fan of Clorox wipes.AARONScandalous.MATTI feel like this gets looked down on a little bit because it's like, in theory, I should be using a spray cleaner and sponge more.AARONIf you're like, art porn, what theories do you guys.MATTIf you're very sustainable, very like, you shouldn't just be buying your plastic bucket of Clorox infused wet wipes and you're killing the planet.AARONWhat I thought you were going to say is like, oh, this is like germaphobe coating.MATTNo, I think this is fine. I don't wipe down my groceries with Clorox wipes. This is like, oh, if I need to do my deep clean of the kitchen, what am I going to reach for? I feel like my roommate in college was very much like, oh, I used to be this person. No, I'm saying he was like an anti wet wipe on sustainability reasons person. He was like, oh, you should use a rag and a spray cleaner and wash the rag after, and then you will have not used vast quantities of resources to clean your kitchen.AARONAt one point, I tweeted that I bought regular. Actually, don't do this anymore because it's no longer practical. But I buy regularly about 36 packs of bottled water for like $5 or whatever. And people actually, I think it was like, this is like close to a scissor statement, honestly. Because object level, you know what I am, right. It's not bad. For anything. I'm sorry. It just checks out. But people who are normally pretty technocratic or whatever were kind of like, I don't know, they were like getting heated on.MATTI think this is an amazing scissor statement.AARONYeah.MATTBecause I do.AARONI used to be like, if I were to take my twelve year old self, I would have been incredibly offended, enraged.MATTAnd to be fair, I think in my ideal policy world, there would be a carbon tax that slightly increases the price of that bottled water. Because actually it is kind of wasteful to. There is something, something bad has happened there and you should internalize those.AARONYeah, I think in this particular, I think like thin plastic is just like not. Yeah, I don't think it would raise it like very large amount. I guess.MATTI think this is probably right that even a relatively high carbon tax would not radically change the price.LAURAIt's not just carbon, though. I think because there is land use implicated in this.AARONNo, there's not.LAURAYeah, you're filling up more landfills.AARONYeah, I'm just doing like hearsay right now. Heresy.MATTHearsay. Hearsay is going to be whatever. Well, wait, no, heresy is, if you're arguing against standardly accepted doctrine. Hearsay is like, well, it's both. Then you're just saying shit.AARONI'm doing both right now. Which is that actually landfills are usually like on the outskirts of town. It's like, fine.LAURAThey'Re on the outskirts of town until the town sprawls, and then the elementary school is on a phone.AARONYeah, no, I agree in principle. I don't have a conceptual reason why you're wrong. I just think basically, honestly, the actual heuristic operating here is that I basically outsource what I should pay attention to, to other people. And since I've never seen a less wrong post or gave Warren post about how actually landfills are filling up, it's like, fine, probably.LAURANo, this is me being devil's advocate. I really don't care that about personal waste.MATTYeah, I mean, I think plausibly here, there is, right? So I think object level, the things that matter, when we think about plastic, there is a carbon impact. There is a production impact of like, you need to think about what pollution happened when the oil was drilled and stuff. And then there is like a disposal impact. If you successfully get that bottle into a trash can, for what it's worth.AARONMy bottles are going into their goddamn trash can.MATTIdeally a recycling. No, apparently recycling, I mean, recycling is.AARONWell, I mean, my sense is like apparently recycling. Yeah, I recycle metal. I think I do paper out of convenience.MATTIf you successfully get that bottle handle a waste disposal system that is properly disposing of it, rather than like you're throwing it on a slap, then I think my guess is that the willingness to pay, or if you really crunch the numbers really hard, it would not be once again, a huge cost for the landfill costs. On the flip side, if you throw it in a river, that's very bad. My guess is that it would be right for everyone on Twitter to flame you for buying bottles and throwing them in a river if you did that.AARONWhat is an ed impact on wild animal welfare and equilibrium? No, just kidding. This is something. Yeah, don't worry, guys. No, I was actually the leave no trade coordinator for my Boy scout troop. It's actually kind of ironic because I think probably like a dumb ideology or.LAURAWhatever, it's a public good for the other people around you to not have a bunch of garbage around on that trail.AARONYeah, I do think I went to an overnight training for this. They're very hardcore, but basically conceptually incoherent people. I guess people aren't conceptually incoherent. Their concepts are incoherent who think it

SAN ONOFRE-Al Karpenter interviú El mundo es un Bilbao más grande Los de El Botxo son los únicos habitantes terráqueos que pueden escoger donde nacer. ¿Qué tendra Bilbao, no lo sé con certeza, qué tendrá Bilbao, que me ha hecho perder la cabeza? Sí, ya antes de gastarnos los cuartos con los buenos de Mattin y el N. Senada euskaldun, Al Karpenter (¿o era Álvaro Matilla?) habíamos contraído esta terrible bilbopatía. Los de la SAN ONOFRE no semos de Bilbo (nadie es perfecto), pero sabemos que nuestro degenerativo bilbomierdismocentrismo ya es de todo punto irreversible. Y recuerda, un hombre que no bebe es un ser sospechoso el mes de marzo de 2024 es mes Captain Bigfart en el SAN ONOFRE. SAN ONOFRE presenta a Eugene Chadbourne Sábado 26 abril 2024; 20:00 h. 10 evros. Arcadia Bar

SAN ONOFRE-Howie Reeve interviú Fancy a scotch, ole Howie? En la SAN ONOFRE hoy hemos resuelto marear al bueno de Howie Reeve, escocés universal con gran calado por estos pagos. Bueno y por cualquier otro, que los tentáculos de este creador son casi tan de largo alcance como los del pródigo Mattin. Sí, hay que mantener el optimismo hasta en las más trágicas de las circunstancias y ser realistas en nuestro idealismo. Ocasión más grande no conocieran los tiempos, amigo Henry. Ya, lo cortés no quita lo macabro. ¿Langostas con forma de salchichas? ¡Habráse visto! Otra de nuestras onofritas víctimas angloentrevistadas, Arnold de Boer (Arnold de Campesino) dio en el clavo con el Glaswegian extraordinaire: "Juan Palomo número uno, amén de desenfadadamente obstinado y maravillosamente alocado mago bajista-cantante". Replican los tamboriles. ¡Qué menos! Próxima liturgia onofrita: Eugene Chadbourne (und Schoreder) Bar Arcadia. Sábado 26 abril 2024 20:00 h.; 10 evros

Sortzaileen txokoa da Arratsean. Sortzaileen amets, beldur, egonezin, gorabehera, gogo, ilusio, ahuldade eta indarguneen oihartzun. Sortzaileen ahotsez. Entzule perfektuaren bila. Beti....

SAN ONOFRE-Triple Negative interviú The theory of negativity En la SAN ONOFRE seguimos mamando de las ubres de Mattin cosa fina. El trío al que atosigamos hoy responde al nombre de Triple Negative y toma el testigo de Repetidor como víctimas onofritas. Based outta London town mas con membresía intercontinental y unisex: fémina teutona y machos rumano y neozelandés, este arrequintao triumvirato (término mal empleado, toda vez que hay una fémina en el redil) won´t stop at nuthin'. Por si a alguien le quedaba la más mínima sombra de una duda, a squid-eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast´n´bulbous, got me? Próxima liturgia onofrita: Eugene Chadbourne (und Schoreder) Bar Arcadia. Sábado 26 abril 2014 20:00 h.; 10 evros

CITR's 24 Hours of Radio Art in a snack sized format. Dark Ambient. Drone. Field Recordings. Noise. Sound Art. Or something. This evening's broadcast serves as a preview of what to expect on CITR's 24 Hours of Radio Art 2024 programming on Wednesday. Tune in for submissions from SOURYA SEN, BOB BELLERUE / FRANCISCO MEIRINO, HILDEGARD WESTERKAMP, and ASHA SHESHADRI / MATTIN.

Here's the audio version of the Choreomata book launch with Foreign Objekt, featuring Anil Bawa-Cavia, Jonathan Impett, Mattin, Reza Negarestani, Keith Tilford, and Jennifer Walshe.MANY thanks to Sepideh Majidi.The full video is here. You can find Choreomata anywhere, especially here.

CITR's 24 Hours of Radio Art in a snack sized format. Dark Ambient. Drone. Field Recordings. Noise. Sound Art. Or something. This evening's broadcast features HANS TUTSCHKU, ASHA SHESHADRI / MATTIN, LOUISE ROSSITER, and JORN EBNER.

CITR's 24 Hours of Radio Art in a snack sized format. Dark Ambient. Drone. Field Recordings. Noise. Sound Art. Or something. The countdown is on for what many of us in CITR Land consider the real “most wonderful time of the (programming) year!”. Indeed. CITR's 24 Hours of Radio Art 2024 takes place on Wednesday, 17 January. This Friday afternoon's broadcast serves as a preview of what to expect next month. Tune in for recent releases by Aki Onda, Merzbow, Nagarekeri, Mario Lino Stancati, Mark Vernon, Shaun Robert, Angélica Castelló, Joana de Sa, Lucie Pachova, plus the CITR Global Network premiere of Mattin's ‘Seize The Means of Complexity‘.

SAN ONOFRE, 998-los secuaces de Mattin Episodio 999 (17 diciembre 2023). Angloentrevista londinense en directo El 1000 (24 diciembre; 13:00 h.) habrá angloentrevista de campanillas en directo. Dime con quién se junta Mattin y te diré quién es SAN ONOFRE. Pasamos en esta ocasión el megáphono y los altos parlantes a alguno de los cientos de miles de millones de correligionarios de Mattin. El mundo es un Bilbao más grande. Sí, ya lo dijeron Momonje y Unamuno. ¡Qué bueno que el bueno de Mattin, a quien hoy amordazamos, tuviera estilo y el sentido suficiente para salir a investigarlo! Pronto disponible en Libritos Jenkins el nuevo testamento onofrita: https://libritosjenkins.bigcartel.com/product/angloentrevistas-traducidas-de-san-onofre?fbclid=IwAR0wUpyVi4q2y_EWfP2UvtlQk8eF3dTrLTdiVgjvS5ZC7yMVqE6EYFQAdL0

SAN ONOFRE-Parlons avec mon amie le Nico SDZ or XTC?! El episodio 999 (17 diciembre 2023) traerá angloentrevista sorpresa londinense. El 1000 lo festejaremos en La Maripepa unos días después con angloentrevista en directo de campanillas. ¡Y recital del mismo jaez! Stay tuned para más detalles SAN ONOFRE, ¿dígame? Can I hear some static? No, I'm ecstatic. Come again? Laissez-moi tranquille! En la SAN ONOFRE, el bueno de Mattin ha quedado convenientemente emparedado, pves, entre dos bellas hogazas: Alan Courtis, de Reynols, con quien intercambiábamos lindezas hace escasas lunas y el preboste de SDZ Records y Crudités Tapes, el parisiense Nicolas Mugnier, a quien azuzaremos hogaño con nuestra proverbial soecidad caracense-onofrita. Nico d'ya dig The Rebel? And Nico, a rooster lays an egg on the top of a hill on the French-Spanish border. Well, where does it end up, mon cherie amie fou? No importa de dónde sea cada uno, pero SAN ONOFRE, al igual que los inefables Hermanos Cubero, somos de Castilla. Hablamos en refranes y frases hechas. Sí, días de mucho en SAN ONOFRE, vísperas de muchísssimo más, caralho. El 24-D se festeja el milésimo chou de nuestro legendario radiofreakshow. Montaremos la marimorena en La Maripepa. ¿Ande si no, galán? Stay tuned for more info. Y justico una semana antes, para celebrar nuestra emisión 999, tendremos en directo en comunicación con La Pérfida Albión a legendaria institución punk londinense a la que contemplan cientos de batallas más que a nosotros. Bon appetit, mes amies onofrites!

SAN ONOFRE-Matinèe avec Mattin Improvisamos en directo con el bueno de Mattin SAN ONOFRE, eternamente aplicaditos como nosotros solos, miramos en la crystal ball de la gypsy woman de Ricky Nelson y nos preguntamos qué nos deparará el futuro cercano cuando platiquemos en antena con Mattin. La vida es una constante improvisación, el Ruido es comunicación, el Ruido es la base de toda relación y acción humana. Gritaremos fuerte en antena a Mattin, que queremos llevarnos bien con Mattin. Un presunto galo interpeló en antena hace escasas lunas a Mattin y Mattin le cantó una coplilla como colofón de la cháchara. En SAN ONOFRE no esperamos menos de Mattin. De acuerdo, amigas onofritas, la tarea para la semana que viene, pves (dense prisa, que entrevistaremos entonces a Nico Mugnier, capitoste de SDZ y cuate de Mattin) consistirá en que nos hagan Vstedes un resumencejo sobre the life and times of Mattin en 484 páginas. Sí, número capicúa, el número de páginas del antiguo testamento onofrita. Allá que les hemos soltado a Vstedes una pista acerca de una de las obsesivas obsesiones del Mattin, la digitophilia. Mattin, majo, ¿eres obsesivo-compulsivo? Cent´anni, Mattin! ¿Cómo? Bilbao insiste. Insistimos con Bilbao y pasamos, sin solución de continuidad, del estruendo del silencio al sigilo del estrépito. Pronto disponible el nuevo testamento onofrita: https://libritosjenkins.bigcartel.com/product/angloentrevistas-traducidas-de-san-onofre?fbclid=IwAR0wUpyVi4q2y_EWfP2UvtlQk8eF3dTrLTdiVgjvS5ZC7yMVqE6EYFQAdL0

Dr. Angela Lauria and Matt Lowry, LPP, discuss tennis legend John McEnroe and his many Autistic traits.McEnroe had an impressive tennis career, utilizing Autistic pattern recognition to anticipate where the ball would go. He visualized the court like a chess board and said he turned the game into a math equation. The hosts further relate this to expectation sensitivity and Autistic scripting.He was misunderstood for his on-court meltdowns reacting to unfair calls by referees. The media unjustly portrayed him as a "brat" and one of the most disliked people in the world—harsh!“Because all autistic people, we have that expectation sensitivity, because we live in a world full of chaos and we need things to be predictable. Hence the patterns.” —MattIn reality, the Autistic athlete is extremely empathetic and generous, donating huge sums to charity. He's loyal to friends and passionate about causes like youth tennis programs.His wife, Patty, believes he is on the autism spectrum based on his routines, math skills, sensory issues, and focus on special interests like art and guitar. McEnroe agrees it's likely.“Patty is there for it, 28 years, great kids, great marriage and she says the thing that keeps their marriage strong is that she can always count on the fact that no one has a better moral compass than John.” —AngelaThe hosts argue McEnroe's meltdowns were a natural reaction to an allistic world that insists on conformity and compliance over truth and justice. Perhaps, if the media had used a neurodiversity-affirming lens, he could have avoided being labeled so negatively.Now in his later years, the Autistic celebrity leads a happy life with a partner who understands him. He channels special interests positively into tennis programs, art deals, and (his latest Autistic activity) voiceover work.Did you catch all of McEnroe's Autistic SPINs? In the comments, tell us which Autistic interests you picked up on, and use #AutisticCultureCatch to share your answer on your social media and connect with other listeners!* McEnroe's memoir: But Seriously* eBook: You Cannot Be Serious : McEnroe, John, Kaplan, James* Autistic people have big emotions—YouTube video: The Meltdown of all Meltdowns* Article: John McEnroe: Star not he possibility of being Autistic, ‘I'm somewhere around there' * Article: Review: In McEnroe, the Tennis Great Reflects on a Career Driven by His Exacting Strategy and Explosive Temper | Third Coast Review* NPR episode: John McEnroe grapples with his legacy as tennis' bad boy * Visual: McEnroe's Warhol painting* Article: McEnroe's Charity Work Begins Off Court * McEnroe's voice work website* Article: A Point in Time: McEnroe and the puff of chalkListen to next:McEnroe loves chess and we know why! Episode 31: Chess is Autistic McEnroe's looking to break into voice over work and he'll have plenty of company when he makes it: Episode 32: Animation is Autistic Ready for a paradigm shift that empowers Autistics? Help spread the news!* Check us out on Instagram* Find us on Apple podcasts and Spotify* Learn more about Matt at Matt Lowry, LPP* Matt's social media: Autistic Connections Facebook Group* Learn more about Angela at AngelaLauria.com and Difference Press* Angela's social media: Twitter and TikTok* TACP's Autism-affirming TeePublic merch shop This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.autisticculturepodcast.com/subscribe

CITR's 24 Hours of Radio Art in a snack sized format. Dark Ambient. Drone. Field Recordings. Noise. Sound Art. Or something. This morning's broadcast features CABARET VOLTAIRE, LETUM, NOEL MEEK / MATTIN, and MODELBAU.

Eadweard Mybridge, a 19th century English photographer, was a pioneer in studying motion and capturing moving images.Mybridge was likely Autistic, exhibiting traits like monotropism, attention to detail, data gathering, and artistic integrity. He had intense interests like studying horse gaits and photographing motion.He invented the zoopraxiscope, which projected motion pictures and allowed him to study and capture animal and human movement in sequences of photos taken in quick succession. This led to the development of motion pictures and cinematography.Mybridge's big emotions led to him being at the center of his own true crime murder plot line, with a surprise twist ending!“He was defined as, quote, ‘impassive indifference and uncontrolled explosions of emotion,' because he went from being very matter-of-fact—as we tend to do—to being very passionate, also as we tend to do.” —MattIn his lifetime, Mybridge took hundreds of thousands of photographs, including many controversial nude studies to analyze motion, and published collections like Animal Locomotion.He led an adventurous life, traveling extensively to photograph in the American West and invented photographic techniques and equipment like a mobile darkroom.Angela: You know, like autistic people generally have like less money, on average, than neurotypical people. But if we just like got rid of money, and everybody could have anything they wanted, how much crazy s**t would autistic people be doing?Matt: Oh, God, yes.His work was influential on many later creations like stop-motion animation, the Matrix bullet time effect, and more. He brought a scientific approach to analyzing motion.Podcast hosts Matt and Angela discuss how his apparent "unmasking" after a near-fatal accident allowed him to fully pursue his interests without regard for social conventions. They tie his dedication and focus to Autistic traits. Join us as we dive into the extraordinary life of this Autistic celebrity.Do you love motion pictures? What do you love about them?* Eadweard Mybridge's wet plate collodion pictures* Ponies are Autistic* Eadweard biopic* Eadweard Muybridge Wikipedia pageRelated…Episode 41: Tim Burton is Autistic and Episode 04: Industrial Light & Magic Ready for a paradigm shift that empowers Autistics? Help spread the news!* TACP on Instagram* Find us on Apple podcasts and Spotify* Matt Lowry, LPP* Matt's social media: Autistic Connections Facebook Group* AngelaLauria.com and Difference Press* Angela's social media: Twitter and TikTok* TACP's Autism-affirming TeePublic merch shop This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.autisticculturepodcast.com/subscribe

CITR's 24 Hours of Radio Art in a snack sized format. Dark Ambient. Drone. Field Recordings. Noise. Sound Art. Or something. Tonight's broadcast features Sweden's Letum, Jana Winderen's ‘The Blue Beyond‘, Noel Meek + Mattin's ‘Homage To Annea Lockwood‘, Caterina Barbieri, new Vince Clarke, Virus2020, Wallmart, With Skulls Drawn On It!, and FFI Digital.

Why is futurist and trend forecaster David Mattin our first guest on the new Longevity Gains podcast? Well, it's his job to see what's happening, and what's coming.In his words:The UN says that the global population aged 65 and over is growing faster than any other age group. In 2019, one in 11 worldwide was over 65; by 2050 it will be one in six.It's an unprecedented demographic change. And because it will shape our response to everything else, I've come to believe that it is the most consequential megatrend reshaping the decades ahead.Listen in to hear this illuminating conversation on the Longevity Economy, including:* The economic and societal implications of elongated life spans and, more importantly, healthspans.* Why devising new models for lifelong learning is vital.* How the typical stages of life may need to be reexamined moving forward.* Why intergenerational tension is increasing … and why it's crucial for this tension to ease moving forward.* Why professional tennis is a great analogy for the impact of advanced healthspans.* The curious case of the Baby Boomers and the cultural revolution of the 1960s, and why “youth power” may be more anomalous than previously thought.* How careers and content will change moving forward and why an increase in individual “micro-businesses” is likely.* What to make of the recent developments in anti-aging (and even age reversal) science.* The philosophical questions that are inevitable as people continue to live longer and longer.David Mattin is an experienced broadcaster, writer, speaker, and an internationally recognized expert on trends, technology, and social change. Mattin is the creator of New World Same Humans, which reaches over 22,000 subscribers each week. In the newsletter David shares trends to supercharge incumbent organizations, helping clients learn a simple, powerful framework that empowers them to start spotting their own trends. David sits on the World Economic Forum's Global Future Council on Consumption, which brings together leading experts to imagine new futures for business and consumerism. He is also the co-host of What's NEXT and a contributing editor of Los Angeles Review of Books. Get full access to Longevity Gains at www.longevitygains.com/subscribe

Futbolaren eraginak emango digu bertsotarako gaia. Euskalduna futbol taldearen mendeurrena dela eta bertso derbia antolatu zuten, lehen pausuak gogoratuz. Urte batzuetan aurrera eginda, 1958an, Parisen egingo dugu beste geldialdia; Xalbador, Mattin, Uztapide eta Basarri entzungo ditugu kantuan; Frantziako webgune batean entzungai jarri dituzten audioak dira eta tesi baterako bidea ere eman dutel akontatuko dizuegu. 1994ko Lekeitioko inauterietako bertsoaldi bat edota Azpeitiako bertso-egunean Zulo-Zabal Elkartean entzundakoak ere batu ditugu gure bederatzikoarekin batera....

Futbolaren eraginak emango digu bertsotarako gaia. Euskalduna futbol taldearen mendeurrena dela eta bertso derbia antolatu zuten, lehen pausuak gogoratuz. Urte batzuetan aurrera eginda, 1958an, Parisen egingo dugu beste geldialdia; Xalbador, Mattin, Uztapide eta Basarri entzungo ditugu kantuan; Frantziako webgune batean entzungai jarri dituzten audioak dira eta tesi baterako bidea ere eman dutel akontatuko dizuegu. 1994ko Lekeitioko inauterietako bertsoaldi bat edota Azpeitiako bertso-egunean Zulo-Zabal Elkartean entzundakoak ere batu ditugu gure bederatzikoarekin batera....

Mirua taldeko Mattin eta Malentxok elkarlan berria aurkeztu digute, esklusiban, "Dida!"n....

We are not what we think we are. Our self-image as natural individuated subjects is determined behind our backs: historically by political forces, cognitively by the language we use, and neurologically by sub-personal mechanisms, as revealed by scientific and philosophical analyses. Under contemporary capitalism, as the gap between this self-image and reality becomes an ever greater source of social and mental distress, these theoretical insights are potential dynamite. Shifting his explorations from the sonic to the social, amplifying alienation and playing with psychic noise, artist and performer Mattin finally lights the fuse. The noise is here to stay. Alienation is a constitutive part of subjectivity and an enabling condition for exploring social dissonance—the territory upon which we already find ourselves, the condition we inhabit today. Mattin speaks (and sings) to Pierre d'Alancaisez about his performance score Social Dissonance, in which the audience is the instrument and the legacy of the Marxist theory of alienation. Mattin is an artist, musician and theorist working conceptually with noise and improvisation. Through his practice and writing, he explores performative forms of estrangement as a way to deal with structural alienation. Mattin has exhibited and toured worldwide. He has performed in festivals such as Performa and Club Transmediale and lectured in institutions such as Dutch Art Institute, Cal Arts, Bard, and Goldsmiths. Mattin is part of the bands Billy Bao and Regler and has over 100 releases on different labels worldwide. He co-hosts the podcast Social Discipline. Mattin took part in 2017 in documenta14 in Athens and Kassel. Information on the Social Dissonance concert at Documenta 14 A video recording of one of the performances Social Discipline podcast Pierre d'Alancaisez is a contemporary art curator, cultural strategist, researcher. Sometime scientist, financial services professional. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/new-books-network

We are not what we think we are. Our self-image as natural individuated subjects is determined behind our backs: historically by political forces, cognitively by the language we use, and neurologically by sub-personal mechanisms, as revealed by scientific and philosophical analyses. Under contemporary capitalism, as the gap between this self-image and reality becomes an ever greater source of social and mental distress, these theoretical insights are potential dynamite. Shifting his explorations from the sonic to the social, amplifying alienation and playing with psychic noise, artist and performer Mattin finally lights the fuse. The noise is here to stay. Alienation is a constitutive part of subjectivity and an enabling condition for exploring social dissonance—the territory upon which we already find ourselves, the condition we inhabit today. Mattin speaks (and sings) to Pierre d'Alancaisez about his performance score Social Dissonance, in which the audience is the instrument and the legacy of the Marxist theory of alienation. Mattin is an artist, musician and theorist working conceptually with noise and improvisation. Through his practice and writing, he explores performative forms of estrangement as a way to deal with structural alienation. Mattin has exhibited and toured worldwide. He has performed in festivals such as Performa and Club Transmediale and lectured in institutions such as Dutch Art Institute, Cal Arts, Bard, and Goldsmiths. Mattin is part of the bands Billy Bao and Regler and has over 100 releases on different labels worldwide. He co-hosts the podcast Social Discipline. Mattin took part in 2017 in documenta14 in Athens and Kassel. Information on the Social Dissonance concert at Documenta 14 A video recording of one of the performances Social Discipline podcast Pierre d'Alancaisez is a contemporary art curator, cultural strategist, researcher. Sometime scientist, financial services professional. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/critical-theory

We are not what we think we are. Our self-image as natural individuated subjects is determined behind our backs: historically by political forces, cognitively by the language we use, and neurologically by sub-personal mechanisms, as revealed by scientific and philosophical analyses. Under contemporary capitalism, as the gap between this self-image and reality becomes an ever greater source of social and mental distress, these theoretical insights are potential dynamite. Shifting his explorations from the sonic to the social, amplifying alienation and playing with psychic noise, artist and performer Mattin finally lights the fuse. The noise is here to stay. Alienation is a constitutive part of subjectivity and an enabling condition for exploring social dissonance—the territory upon which we already find ourselves, the condition we inhabit today. Mattin speaks (and sings) to Pierre d'Alancaisez about his performance score Social Dissonance, in which the audience is the instrument and the legacy of the Marxist theory of alienation. Mattin is an artist, musician and theorist working conceptually with noise and improvisation. Through his practice and writing, he explores performative forms of estrangement as a way to deal with structural alienation. Mattin has exhibited and toured worldwide. He has performed in festivals such as Performa and Club Transmediale and lectured in institutions such as Dutch Art Institute, Cal Arts, Bard, and Goldsmiths. Mattin is part of the bands Billy Bao and Regler and has over 100 releases on different labels worldwide. He co-hosts the podcast Social Discipline. Mattin took part in 2017 in documenta14 in Athens and Kassel. Information on the Social Dissonance concert at Documenta 14 A video recording of one of the performances Social Discipline podcast Pierre d'Alancaisez is a contemporary art curator, cultural strategist, researcher. Sometime scientist, financial services professional. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/performing-arts

We are not what we think we are. Our self-image as natural individuated subjects is determined behind our backs: historically by political forces, cognitively by the language we use, and neurologically by sub-personal mechanisms, as revealed by scientific and philosophical analyses. Under contemporary capitalism, as the gap between this self-image and reality becomes an ever greater source of social and mental distress, these theoretical insights are potential dynamite. Shifting his explorations from the sonic to the social, amplifying alienation and playing with psychic noise, artist and performer Mattin finally lights the fuse. The noise is here to stay. Alienation is a constitutive part of subjectivity and an enabling condition for exploring social dissonance—the territory upon which we already find ourselves, the condition we inhabit today. Mattin speaks (and sings) to Pierre d'Alancaisez about his performance score Social Dissonance, in which the audience is the instrument and the legacy of the Marxist theory of alienation. Mattin is an artist, musician and theorist working conceptually with noise and improvisation. Through his practice and writing, he explores performative forms of estrangement as a way to deal with structural alienation. Mattin has exhibited and toured worldwide. He has performed in festivals such as Performa and Club Transmediale and lectured in institutions such as Dutch Art Institute, Cal Arts, Bard, and Goldsmiths. Mattin is part of the bands Billy Bao and Regler and has over 100 releases on different labels worldwide. He co-hosts the podcast Social Discipline. Mattin took part in 2017 in documenta14 in Athens and Kassel. Information on the Social Dissonance concert at Documenta 14 A video recording of one of the performances Social Discipline podcast Pierre d'Alancaisez is a contemporary art curator, cultural strategist, researcher. Sometime scientist, financial services professional. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/intellectual-history

We are not what we think we are. Our self-image as natural individuated subjects is determined behind our backs: historically by political forces, cognitively by the language we use, and neurologically by sub-personal mechanisms, as revealed by scientific and philosophical analyses. Under contemporary capitalism, as the gap between this self-image and reality becomes an ever greater source of social and mental distress, these theoretical insights are potential dynamite. Shifting his explorations from the sonic to the social, amplifying alienation and playing with psychic noise, artist and performer Mattin finally lights the fuse. The noise is here to stay. Alienation is a constitutive part of subjectivity and an enabling condition for exploring social dissonance—the territory upon which we already find ourselves, the condition we inhabit today. Mattin speaks (and sings) to Pierre d'Alancaisez about his performance score Social Dissonance, in which the audience is the instrument and the legacy of the Marxist theory of alienation. Mattin is an artist, musician and theorist working conceptually with noise and improvisation. Through his practice and writing, he explores performative forms of estrangement as a way to deal with structural alienation. Mattin has exhibited and toured worldwide. He has performed in festivals such as Performa and Club Transmediale and lectured in institutions such as Dutch Art Institute, Cal Arts, Bard, and Goldsmiths. Mattin is part of the bands Billy Bao and Regler and has over 100 releases on different labels worldwide. He co-hosts the podcast Social Discipline. Mattin took part in 2017 in documenta14 in Athens and Kassel. Information on the Social Dissonance concert at Documenta 14 A video recording of one of the performances Social Discipline podcast Pierre d'Alancaisez is a contemporary art curator, cultural strategist, researcher. Sometime scientist, financial services professional. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/music

We are not what we think we are. Our self-image as natural individuated subjects is determined behind our backs: historically by political forces, cognitively by the language we use, and neurologically by sub-personal mechanisms, as revealed by scientific and philosophical analyses. Under contemporary capitalism, as the gap between this self-image and reality becomes an ever greater source of social and mental distress, these theoretical insights are potential dynamite. Shifting his explorations from the sonic to the social, amplifying alienation and playing with psychic noise, artist and performer Mattin finally lights the fuse. The noise is here to stay. Alienation is a constitutive part of subjectivity and an enabling condition for exploring social dissonance—the territory upon which we already find ourselves, the condition we inhabit today. Mattin speaks (and sings) to Pierre d'Alancaisez about his performance score Social Dissonance, in which the audience is the instrument and the legacy of the Marxist theory of alienation. Mattin is an artist, musician and theorist working conceptually with noise and improvisation. Through his practice and writing, he explores performative forms of estrangement as a way to deal with structural alienation. Mattin has exhibited and toured worldwide. He has performed in festivals such as Performa and Club Transmediale and lectured in institutions such as Dutch Art Institute, Cal Arts, Bard, and Goldsmiths. Mattin is part of the bands Billy Bao and Regler and has over 100 releases on different labels worldwide. He co-hosts the podcast Social Discipline. Mattin took part in 2017 in documenta14 in Athens and Kassel. Information on the Social Dissonance concert at Documenta 14 A video recording of one of the performances Social Discipline podcast Pierre d'Alancaisez is a contemporary art curator, cultural strategist, researcher. Sometime scientist, financial services professional. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/art

We are not what we think we are. Our self-image as natural individuated subjects is determined behind our backs: historically by political forces, cognitively by the language we use, and neurologically by sub-personal mechanisms, as revealed by scientific and philosophical analyses. Under contemporary capitalism, as the gap between this self-image and reality becomes an ever greater source of social and mental distress, these theoretical insights are potential dynamite. Shifting his explorations from the sonic to the social, amplifying alienation and playing with psychic noise, artist and performer Mattin finally lights the fuse. The noise is here to stay. Alienation is a constitutive part of subjectivity and an enabling condition for exploring social dissonance—the territory upon which we already find ourselves, the condition we inhabit today. Mattin speaks (and sings) to Pierre d'Alancaisez about his performance score Social Dissonance, in which the audience is the instrument and the legacy of the Marxist theory of alienation. Mattin is an artist, musician and theorist working conceptually with noise and improvisation. Through his practice and writing, he explores performative forms of estrangement as a way to deal with structural alienation. Mattin has exhibited and toured worldwide. He has performed in festivals such as Performa and Club Transmediale and lectured in institutions such as Dutch Art Institute, Cal Arts, Bard, and Goldsmiths. Mattin is part of the bands Billy Bao and Regler and has over 100 releases on different labels worldwide. He co-hosts the podcast Social Discipline. Mattin took part in 2017 in documenta14 in Athens and Kassel. Information on the Social Dissonance concert at Documenta 14 A video recording of one of the performances Social Discipline podcast Pierre d'Alancaisez is a contemporary art curator, cultural strategist, researcher. Sometime scientist, financial services professional. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/sound-studies

Presto! In this episode, Alec & Nick discuss the legendary illusion arts of Harry Houdini as an analogical frame for considering artistic strategies and aesthetics of escape. Discussing the work of Mattin and Pascale Criton in particular, the episode accounts for performance, audience and spectacle as planes of musical consistency in which the illusion of “escape” is realized — as the risk of conceptual or interpretive failure is leveraged towards thrilling feats of musical cogency and enjoyment. Topics include Mattin's “Social Dissonance,” the conducting of Pierre Boulez, Deleuze & Guattari's “Lines of Flight,” the solo computer set as spectacle, the athleticism of interpretation and affects of risk in music.

About this Episode: Mike Mattin jumps on the Hour to talk Delta Wrestling, Michigan Wrestling, raising his 4 boys and Ohio Novice State Championships. The Barbarian Hour is hosted by 2 former NCAA D1 wrestlers; Zeb Miller & Jared Opfer and is presented by Barbarian Apparel. Be sure to get your Team Apparel & Singlet Deals at https://www.barbarianapparel.com/bahour Connect with our friend Teague Moore, The Wrestling Consultant for all questions pertaining to NCAA & College Decisions. Use code "BA Hour" for a free 15-minute consultation. More info at facebook.com/thewrestlingconsultant

Join Leon and Mattin in their discussion about the GOOD GREEK BOYS Thanatos and Zagreus from "Hades" (2018). Leon's TwitterMattin's Twitter Fic RecTwo Hour Vacation by redmorningstarSupport the show

In this episode former Nova radio announcer Katie Mattin talks about the rejection she felt after being adopted as a baby, when complications with the pregnancy of her twins led to doctors advising she terminate one, her diagnosis and outlook on life following her MS diagnosis and the heartache of losing her Mum mid flight to the UK.   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.