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Our annual PRIDE episode is BACK! Listen in as we chat about QUEERBAITING, maybe the scariest thing of all!HORROR IN THE MOVIESTHE LOST BOYS and THE FORSAKEN will have you wondering: wait, are the ALL gay?!WHATCHA BEEN WATCHIN', BITCH?!Listen in to hear what we've been watchin'... bitch!–A proud, independent podcastSupport FRIGAY THE 13TH: www.frigay13.com/supportFollow on Twitter, Instagram, Threads, & TikTok: @FriGay13#horrorpodcasts #lgbtqpodcasts #gaypodcast #queerpodcast #horrorpodcast #horrormovies #horrorfilms #horrorcommunity #horrorjunkie #horrorfanatic #horrorobsessed #getslayed #pride #pride2025 #queer #lgbtq #lgbt #thelostboys #theforsaken #kerrsmith #thecoreys #gaybaiting #queerbaiting
In this episode of The Queer Quest Podcast, host Christiano Green unpacks the ongoing issue of queerbaiting in mainstream media — and why LGBTQ+ audiences deserve so much more than subtle glances, vague hints, and performative pride.We cover:What queerbaiting is and how it shows up in 2025How it psychologically harms queer audiencesThe difference between true representation and exploitationThe reality of rainbow capitalism & corporate allyshipWhat authentic queer storytelling really looks likeHow queer people are reclaiming the narrative in film, TV, and onlineWhether you've been burned by false promises or are just waking up to how the media plays our identities — this episode offers clarity, healing, and a powerful invitation to rise together and demand real visibility.
This month, we dive into one of the weirdest--and most fun--TV shows to watch through Tumblr gifsets: Riverdale. In the course of our chat, we come upon a terrifying discovery: was Riverdale containing all the chaos of the universe? Will putting it back on the air save the world?Follow us on Tumblr at dashboarddiaries.tumblr.com to see the posts we talk about on this episode or email us at dashboarddiariespod@gmail.com!Dashboard Diaries is a production of Atypical Artists, hosted by Lauren Shippen and Cher McAnelly. Our theme was composed by Lauren Shippen and mixed by Brandon Grugle. Art by Shae McMullin. Transcription (which can be found on our Tumblr) by Laudable.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Jordan and Brooke are joined by Alison Sivitz (aka Bald Ann Dowd), as we rocket agrressively back to 2012 and every piece of culture that comes with that. We discuss why this movie has aged like milk but still hits, questionable fashion choices (heeled...Converse...), queerbaiting the audience, actual Peacock spinoff show "Bumper in Berlin," what Kenny Ortega is up to these days, what Hailee Steinfeld is also up to these days, Anna Kendrick's Oscar nom, and the fact that The Cup Song hit #6 on the Billboard Hot 100 – it did, it really did.Follow us on Twitter, Bluesky, and IG! (And Jordan's Letterboxd / Brooke's Letterboxd)Follow the one and only Bald Ann Dowd on Twitter and Letterboxd! Listen to PodSlop!This episode is sponsored by Super Yaki! Use code: SUPERQQ for 10% off
Today, Crystal & Grey discuss Supernatural 6.09 - Clap Your Hands If You Believe. We talk about: suffering, Sam "I'm Working Out With Oil on My Body and I'm Having Sex With Women" Winchester, and Dean Winchester being an "uninhibited man" power fantasy when he is so inhibited. Find Episode Transcripts Here Listen to Episode Outtakes and Give us a Tip in Ko-fi! Check out our merch on Redbubble! Follow us on Tumblr Email Address: bustyasianbeautiespod@gmail.com Podcast art is made by cyvvang! (Instagram, Redbubble)
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On a new TAGSPODCAST aka Talk About Gay Sex podcast, Host Steve V and Co-host Kodi Maurice Doggette are holding down the fort with all new hot LGBTQ topics, sex and relationship advice and more:Austin Wolf gets a fourth month of continuance for another 30 days before a judge hears this case...a major plea deal must be in the works...The real Menendez Brother may soon get out of jail...Australia police arrest 13 young men who have been targeting gay men on Grindr...We look back at the controversial film at the time, "Cruising" with Al Pacino...Should gay men not share all of our dirty little secrets to straight men? We discuss...Are some straight artists queerbaiting or are they just posting thirst traps?David Hernandez, Season 12 of American Idol who came in 7th says he's hung AF...Little Mix star, Jade has new music but more importantly has merch like butt plugs and lube...Advice: Tips for reading the vibe better to meet up with that hoodup again..Support TAGS and get extra special perks! Patreon.com/tagspodcastSteve V's Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/tagspodcastFollow Steve V. on IG: @iam_stevevFollow Kodi Maurice Doggette on IG: @mistahmauriceWanna drop a weekly or one time tip to TAGSPODCAST - Show your love for the show and support TAGS! Visit our website: tagspodcast.comNeeds some advice for a sex or relationship conundrum? Ask TAGS! DM US ON IG or https://www.talkaboutgaysex.com/contactFollow Of a Certain Age on IG: @ofacertainagepod
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Moinsen! Nach nur 4 Folgen haben wir endlich unsere Antwort: Agathario ist KEIN Queerbait... oder doch? Und was ist Queerbaiting überhaupt? Schauen wir uns doch mal an, was in dieser Folge eigentlich so passiert, was es bedeutet und warum ich very strong feelings dazu habe. Have fun. ❤️ ________________________________________________ Zur YouTube-Version: https://youtu.be/dirFD02BzAA ________________________________________________ Time Stamps: 00:00 - Intro 00:42 - Agathario nation, rise up! 01:57 - Was ist Queerbaiting? 03:32 - Recap Episode 4 (Spoiler!) 08:16 - DIE Szene 09:41 - Das soll Queerbaiting sein??? 11:09 - Liebe Gen Z 12:13 - Agatha All Along ist keine queere Lovestory 12:49 - Normalisierung von Queerness 15:07 - Die Zukunft des MCU ist queer, my dear 15:35 - Let's just celebrate it 17:22 - Auf Agathario und Teen, ciao!
On a new TAGSPODCAST aka Talk About Gay Sex Host Kodi Maurice Doggette, filling in for Steve V, and Teddy Alexis are holding down the fort with all new hot LGBTQ topics, sex and relationship advice and more:New Bonus topic from TAGS only available to our TAGS Patreon Community! Join and get Bonus Episode: Patreon.com/tagspodcastTeddy celebrates Hispanic Heritage Month by thanking Queer Latin Icon WIlson Cruz!Janet Jackson's comments on Kamala HarrisDrag Race Star Shangela faces new AllegationsIs Ryan Murphy Queer Baiting in his new show?Right-wing anti-LGBTQ+ education activist exposed as former gay adult film actor!Lil Nas X vs Omar Apollo!Troye Sivan and the F-Word!Would you visit this Male Only Camp?And sexy advice from Reddit!Support Kodi and his new music EP: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/kodi-maurice-ep--2#/Support TAGS and get extra special perks! Patreon.com/tagspodcastSteve V's Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/tagspodcastFollow Steve V. on IG: @iam_stevevhttps://linktr.ee/kodimauricehttps://linktr.ee/kodimauriceFollow Kodi Maurice Doggette on IG: @mistahmauriceFollow Teddy Alexis on IG: @teddyalexisWanna drop a weekly or one time tip to TAGSPODCAST - Show your love for the show and support TAGS! Visit our website: tagspodcast.comNeeds some advice for a sex or relationship conundrum? Ask TAGS! DM US ON IG or https://www.talkaboutgaysex.com/contactFollow Of a Certain Age on IG: @ofacertainagepod
Filmofil har fått storslått besøk av selveste REGNBUEVERDEN! Sammen utforsker vi filmer med skeiv representasjon! Vi dykker blant annet ned i det grumsete vannet om Queerbaiting, drar skjelettene ut av skapet og adresserer «Bury Your Gays» -tropen. Her blir det diskusjon, drøfting og god stemning! Bli med å se om du klarer å svare på det evige aktuelle spørsmålet «Hva er god represntasjon?» - sammen med oss!
The gorgeous PhD of Queerbaiting, Michael McDermott, is back to suss out these FBoys and boy is it a DOOZY of an episode! Nathan is outed for being a swifty, Joe for being an axe-murdering woman hater and Krystal for being a sex-positive QUEEEN. The two homos also discuss being already over 'demure' and require an education on straight culture.Season 2 of FBoy Island Australia is currently airing weekly on Mondays - only on Binge. I will be recapping it each week with a special guest Theme song by Dane Yule.Follow:@thecringeisrealpod@samcremean@fakemichaelmcd
This week, we discuss the death of the VMAs & music videos, why are artists still hanging out with Chris Brown & the rumours for the Britney Spears bi-opic. Plus we get into all the gossip & drama from the Olympics and question if people actually know what queerbaiting means after the Guess Remix. Enquiries: podcastpopoff@gmail.com Follow us on socials! YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PopOff.Podcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/popoffpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@popoffpodcast Isla: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/islaloba/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@isla Lewys: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lookingforlewys/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@lookingforlewys Timestamps: 00:04:04 tiktok age gap relationships 00:10:07 the state of the uk 00:13:50 the olympics 00:19:30 the complexities of proposals 00:26:05 back to the olympics 00:40:18 charli xcx, billie eilish & queer baiting 00:47:50 kehlani & chris brown 0:50:24 britney spears bi-opic 00:56:13 the death of the VMAs & music videos 01:03:24 what's popping
Quite a lot to NOT be proud of this Pride Month, with corporations creeping away cowardly as ultra-Conservatives boycott their rainbow campaigns. Meanwhile, much of the mainstream media refuses to report on rising threats to LGBT+ equality. Luckily, there's also lots to laugh about! From hilariously hopeless Pride ads to everything that comes out of Olga Koch's mouth - and lots to gossip about too, with celebrity “queerbaiting” up on the agenda. We pick our way through Pride's best and worst reporting, including vital LGBTQIA+ investigations that went under the radar - with QueerAF editor Jamie Wareham, and comedian Olga Koch. This week's lived experience comes from teachers and trans youth, who share firsthand insights on headlines about “gender ideology”, as both the Conservatives and Labour pledge to rigidly censor gender-related education ahead of the general election. Plus, your round-up of the headlines through a Media Storm lens, including debunking myths of a Labour "supermajority", Just Stop Oil's stonehenge protest, and Rwanda refugee watch. And finally… GETTING READY FOR GLASTONBURY?! Find out how Traveller culture has shaped modern-day music festivals, and how you can celebrate them as you celebrate Glastonbury. Hosts: Mathilda Mallinson (@mathildamall) and Helena Wadia (@helenawadia) Music: Samfire (@soundofsamfire) Assistant Producer: Katie Grant Support Media Storm on Patreon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
The Pleasure Zone with Milica Jelenic - Diamond Host What is queerbaiting? What is rainbow capitalism? Why does every company release Pride merch in June? Why did networks hide queer characters in the subtext? Over the last decade there has been more queerbaiting and rainbow capitalism going on. A discussion about how the 2SLGBTQIA+ community only matters to corporations when it makes them profit. In this show we will discuss: What is rainbow capilatism? What is queerbaiting? What have networks been doing for decades to hide queer characters in subtext? Join Milica Jelenic, Sex & Intimacy Coach, Holistic Health Practitioner and Ziva Jelenic, artist and over all awesome being, on this episode of The Pleasure Zone for a discussion on "Queerbaiting & Rainbow Capitalism". Ziva Jelenic is an artist, student and freethinker who enjoys diving into topics on queer politics. Light From The Shadows: Enriching The Lives Of Others Inspired Choices Network Hosts Author Milica Jelenic Amazon.com – https://www.amazon.com/dp/1738249417 Amazon.ca – https://www.amazon.ca/dp/1738249417 ~ More About The Pleasure Zone ~ Milica Jelenic is a Sex & Intimacy Coach. What is pleasure? Have you ever noticed that what is pleasing to one body is not necessarily pleasing to all bodies? What if our bodies like to be pleasing and to gift pleasure to others and to receive pleasure? In this show we will explore the world of pleasure. If your body was sensing pleasure more often would your life have more ease? We start out with magical little bodies that turn on everybody. Babies are always having people come up to them and compliment them on their beauty and get really excited to be in their presence. What would the world be like if we stopped judging ourselves, our bodies and others? How much more fun, joy and pleasure is possible on this planet if we choose to be explorers? Whose ready for an adventure??? Milica Jelenic is an advocate for pleasure. In her private practice she invites clients to create life and lifestyle that offers more pleasure and vitality. Milica's intuitive ability to sense where change is possible and to question what is stuck in the target area creates a very dynamic session that promotes choice, possibility and change. Milica has impacted the lives and health of individuals both in Canada and abroad with her humor, kindness, gentleness, potency and intensity. Milica's approach is playful, fun and direct. Milica is willing to be whatever energy and space is required for the change you desire. If you are interested in receiving Milica' monthly newsletter about events, classes and information on booking private sessions send and e-mail through her website. www.milicajelenic.com/ To get more of The Pleasure Zone with Milica Jelenic, be sure to visit the podcast page for replays of all her shows here: https://www.inspiredchoicesnetwork.com/podcast/the-pleasure-zone-milica-jelenic/
PATREON MOVIE DISCUSSION: This movie was selected by our Patreon Supporters over at the Cinematic Doctrine Patreon. Support as little as $3 a month and have your voice heard! Shirleon joins Melvin to discuss this month's Patreon-Picked flick: When Marnie Was There! Boy do they cover a lot of ground! From discussing its strong melancholy vibes to its extremely profound yet simple characters, no stone is left unturned!Topics:(FREE PATREON EXCLUSIVE) 44-minutes discussing a trailer for an AI produced short film called "Next Stop Paris" that will debut on TCLtv+ Summer 2024, as well as other AI related discussions and surprises. (FREE PATREON EXCLUSIVE)When Marnie Was There's opening is dour, and the whole film has a patient melancholy to it as well as strong depictions of the hijacking nature of anxiety on the body.Taking time to discuss how haunting the film feels, and the lyrics to Priscilla Ahn's "Fine on the Outside" theme song.The film drew a lot of personal experiences out of both Shirleon and Melvin, and the two discuss it further.Melvin explains the end of the film, as well as how that caught a lot of people off guard. Or, specifically, how they felt "queerbaited", and how Melvin thinks that's a wildly uneducated and inappropriate read of the film.When Marnie Was There is so overtly about the transforming benefits of practiced, personal, platonic love that Melvin has difficulty observing the film in any other way.Getting into various biblical stories that showcase practiced, personal, platonic love that produced hope.How the image of the Yukata being cleaned is a fitting icon of hope.Mailbag Responses:Tips for watching horror movies as a Christian (Maddy from Texas) [00:39:47 > 00:48:31]Recommendations:Vinland Saga (2019) (Anime)Texhnolyze (2003) (Anime)MAILBAG: Send questions with your First Name and we'll answer them in future episodes! Support the Show.Support on Patreon for Unique Perks! Early access to uncut episodes Vote on a movie/show we review One-time reward of two Cinematic Doctrine Stickers & Pins Social Links: Threads Website Instagram Facebook Group
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David and I are joined by the hilarious and insightful Daniel Ryan Spaulding. Known for his viral TikTok presence and stand-up comedy, Daniel shares his unique perspective on the current state of affairs, anti-Semitism, and the complexities of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. We kick off this episode with Daniel's journey from Canada to Europe, his experiences in Israel, and his advocacy work. He doesn't shy away from discussing the hard-hitting topics, including the misconceptions about Israel, the nature of anti-Semitism, and the importance of understanding the facts. Switching gears to RHOBH, Daniel shared his thoughts on various cast members and storylines, including the dynamics between Kyle and Morgan, the potential queerbaiting, and the complexities of lesbian relationships on the show. We also touch on the documentary "Housewife and the Hustler" and Erika Jayne's role in the scandal, offering a balanced view of her situation and the complexities of public perception. Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction with Daniel Ryan Spaulding 00:24 - Daniel's Viral TikTok Fame and Advocacy Work 01:35 - Stand-Up Comedy and European Career 02:28 - The October 7th Reaction and Hamas Discussion 04:27 - Misconceptions About Israel 05:12 - The Nature of Anti-Semitism 06:16 - The Need for a Safe Place for Jewish People 07:22 - Social Media's Role in Extremism 08:04 - The Importance of Supporting Hostage Families 09:10 - The Silence Around Hostage Advocacy 10:09 - Transition to Real Housewives Drama 11:13 - Lesbian Dynamics and Queerbaiting in Reality TV 12:12 - The Dynamics of RHOBH Cast 13:07 - Nene Leakes and Her Future in Reality TV 14:08 - Annemarie Wiley's Role in RHOBH 15:17 - The Double Standards in Reality TV 16:09 - The Future of RHOBH Cast 17:09 - Housewife and the Hustler Part 2 Discussion 18:09 - Erika Jayne's Participation in the Documentary 19:12 - The Authenticity of Erika's Actions 20:15 - The Love for a Comeback Story 21:16 - The Complexity of Public Figures 22:14 - Closing Remarks and Teaser for Next Episode Show is sponsored by: ***Visit our Sub-Reddit: reddit.com/r/thesarahfrasershow for ALL things The Sarah Fraser Show!!!*** Carawayhome.com use code TSFS for 10% OFF your order at check out Goodr.com/tsfs use code TSFS for FREE shipping Horizonfibroids.com get rid of those nasty fibroids! Nutrafol.com use code TSFS for FREE shipping and $10 off your subscription Oneskin.co use code TSFS for 15% OFF your fabulous order TheSeedScout.com find the perfect known sperm donor for your family. Get $100 OFF when you mention TSFS **Check out some of my FAVORITE things on Amazon Marketplace - especially if you're looking to get geared-up to start your own Podcast!!!** https://www.amazon.com/shop/thesarahfrasershow Advertise on The Sarah Fraser Show: thesarahfrasershow@gmail.com Got a TIP about your favorite show? Email: thesarahfrasershow@gmail.com Follow me on Instagram: @thesarahfrasershow Follow me on Tiktok: @thesarahfrasershow Follow me on Twitter: twitter.com/SarahFraserShow Book me on Cameo: cameo.com/sarahfraser Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
On a new TAGS LIVE aka Talk About Gay Sex the live edition, Host Stevie is joined by Co-host Kodi Maurice Doggette for all new Hot LGBTQ topics, sex and relationship advice and more in front of live virtual audience:GOP Senator John Kennedy Reads from the Book, "All Boys Aren't Blue" and You Have to Hear this!The Banning of Books Relating to LGBTQ+Bad Bunny on Queerbaiting and Wearing Skirts!Troye Sivan and Doing Poppers for the Single of 'Rush'!Artist Jonathas de Andrade and his New Exhibit of His Past Sleep Overs' Underwear!Are We Judging What Were Listeing to in the Gym??Gay and Bi Men over 70 are Having More Sex than Straight Men!Why Do We Have So Much Sex???Do You Have a Crush on Straight Men?What Was Something You Never Imagined Would Turn You On But Did?Thirst Trap!Follow Steve V. on IG: @iam_stevevFollow Kodi's Life Coaching on IG: @kmdcoachingFollow Kodi on IG: @mistahmauriceJoin us Oct. 29 - Nov. 5 for VACAYA's 2023 Mexico Resort vacation Use our Promo Code: TAGS and get up to $200 off! https://www.myvacaya.com/trip/mexico-resort-2023/Wanna drop a weekly or one time tip to TAGSPODCAST - Show your love for the show and support TAGS!Visit our website: tagspodcast.comNeeds some advice for a sex or relationship conundrum? Ask TAGS! DM US ON IG or https://www.talkaboutgaysex.com/contact
Picture it - Cole Connor goes on a content trip somewhere in Wisconsin, and among the sizable group of studs bouncing around and filming hot scenes together, a hot, blonde blue-eyed muscle man is in the mix. But wait… he's straight? Fast forward to today, Adam Kubatzke joins Cole and Adam on the cast to share what led him down the path from being a straight-couple-comedy TikTok sensation to feeling at home among his gay buddies enough to have some fun with the boys on camera. Is it gay for pay, or is it gay baiting? Or is it somewhere in between? And as consumers, should we care? Adam tells some funny stories and insightful truths about being an ally to the community, having deep connections with gay men, and peeling the onion layers of open-mindedness and sexual fluidity while capturing it for his very curious fans, regardless of labels, identities, and orientations.Presented by Fleshbot
In this episode, I talk about the media phenomenon of queerbaiting. This occurs when studios or creators sprinkle vague hints at a character's sexuality to keep queer audiences coming back for shreds of representation. I also talk about the application of the term to celebrities' personal lives and the importance of real, substantial representation. Sources NAMI HelpLine: 1-800-950-NAMI (6264) or info@nami.org https://www.nami.org/help NEW mental health crisis number: 988 Trans Lifeline: US (877) 565-8860 https://translifeline.org/hotline/ Follow me on Twitter @PsychMindedPod Follow me on Instagram @_psychologically_minded_
Gerardeno, Oscar Murra, Lucia Olivares, Adrian Murra y Fernando Veloz hablan de todo que ver con todo el queerbaiting dentro y fuera de la cultura pop.Hablaremos de:Power Rangers, Chicas Superpoderosas, Elite, Frozen, Elsa, Lil Nas X, John y Sherlock, Finn y Poe, Once Upon a Time , Luca, Katy Perry...Support the showTodo Que Ver TEMPORADA 4 Apple Podcasts Spotify Google Podcasts Amazon Music
Jessica Rabbit. Scully and Mulder. We change things up and discuss the media and characters that made us (and the Internet) question our sexuality.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
This week Aidan and Noah tackle a set of one season wonders that currently reside in the Reality Graveyard - CBS' "Kid Nation" (2007) and Bravo's "Boy Meet Boy" (2003). Both highly controversial but relatively forgotten in the zietgeist, the hosts are eager to highlight exactly why these shows didn't have another season greenlit. From the ethical dilemmas presented in "Kid Nation" to the cultural significance of "Boy Meets Boy," Aidan and Noah offer their insights and opinions on these shows and the impact they had on the reality TV genre. Join them as they discuss these shows on a real note and offer their unique perspectives on these short-lived, but memorable, programs. Whether you disticintly remember iconic characters from "Kid Nation" such as Taylor, Jared and Divad or are learning about the pivotal best friend Andra on "Boy Meets Boy" for the first time you're in for a journey. This is the second and final part of the Reality Graveyard Deep Dive.
你聽過「賣腐」／Queerbaiting嗎？隨著性別意識提升，同志社群的能見度在社會中也越來越高，我們也越來越常有機會在大眾媒體和日常生活中看到各種現身。與此同時也出現了另一些平行現象：戲劇作品中的同性角色互動曖昧，卻在最後宣告兩個人終究只是朋友，一切都是觀眾想太多；主演BL改編作品或是在劇中有各種「兄弟情」的男演員在宣傳期出現各種「甜蜜」互動，讓粉絲們大喊「好甜」；而男偶像們則開始偏好中性裝扮，並在被問到性向時「含糊其辭」....... 這些在大眾文化與娛樂產業中「看似有腐又無腐」的狀態，究竟是只是為了賺同志的錢，還是展現了性別疆界的流動？今天我們在節目中，就要來跟大家聊聊Queerbaiting：這個詞在「控訴」什麼現象？這些控訴有正當性嗎？又可能有什麼問題？ 本集重點： → 什麼是queerbaiting：從對同志社群的壓迫到大眾文化行銷策略 → 影視作品中的queerbaiting是在吃同志豆腐？但同志社群真的這麼「好騙」嗎？ → 「看似有腐又無腐」－是消解了同志身分的正當性，還是說明性別與性傾向的流動空間？我們又該如何理解「酷兒」（queer）一詞？ → Queerbaiting控訴背後，對親密關係、性傾向與性別表現的想像 更多內容相關資訊請參考：http://queerology.net/2023/04/smalltalq-067/ 支持我們：感謝你的收聽。如果你喜歡我們的節目，歡迎你透過以下的方式支持我們。你可以點下訂閱，期待我們下一集的節目；留下五星評價，讓我們知道你的喜歡；也可以將我們的節目分享給更多人知道。如果你願意給我們更多支持，歡迎你前往 http://queerology.net，點擊頁面上的QR碼 ，或是透過這裡 https://tinyurl.com/5xsecc9z 請我們喝杯咖啡。
En este capítulo hablamos sobre un tema que últimamente suena mucho por todos lados, Queerbaiting? sabemos qué es? En este podcast tratamos de entender un nuevo concepto que es nuevo para todos.
Celebrities like Harry Styles and Bad Bunny have come under fire for "queerbaiting," the act of posing as potentially queer in order to appeal to an LGBTQ audience. But culture writer Mark Harris asks in his latest article for T Magazine, "Is Celebrity ‘Queer Baiting' Really Such a Crime?" He joins us to discuss and to take calls from listeners.
In which Princess dives deep into her bisexual awakening - from badly censored anime to Emma Watson's eyebrows! Check out our Patreon - there are cool perks and you help support the podcast! https://www.patreon.com/thequeermoviepodcast We're a serious podcast and have a sponsor, SquareSpace support us! Help make the podcast profitable by going to squarespace.com/queermovie, and by using the code 'queermovie' at checkout. Find Us Online - Twitter: https://twitter.com/QueerMoviePod - Website: http://www.queermoviepodcast.co.uk/ - Multitude: @MultitudeShows Production - Hosts: Rowan Ellis and Jazza John - Editor: Julia Schifini - Executive Producer: Multitude - Artwork: Jessica E. Boyd About The Show Queer Movie Podcast is a queer movie watch party hosted by Rowan Ellis and Jazza John. Join us as we research and rate our way through the queer film canon, one genre at a time. From rom-coms to slashers, contemporary arthouse cinema to black & white classics, Queer Movie Podcast is a celebration of all things gaaaaay on the silver screen. New episodes every other Thursday. Transcript ROWAN: Just quick mention at the top of this episode to thank two of our patrons over on Patreon, Jennifer and Toby who are supporting at the highest tier over there. We are so, so grateful. Thank you so much to our wonderful rainbow parents, Jennifer and Toby. If you want to support our Patreon then the link will be in the description. It's patreon.com/thequeermoviepodcast. [theme] ROWAN: Welcome to the Queer Movie Podcast celebrating the best and worst and LGBTQ plus cinema one glorious genre at a time. I'm Rowan Ellis and I would like to welcome you to one of our guest specials. Oooh, very exciting. And today we are joined by, as usual, a very special guest who will be answering the question, what movies made you queer? I am very excited to welcome Princess, wooo! Popopow. Yay! PRINCESS: Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to finally be here with you. I wanted to be talking to you and doing stuff with you forever. But we always are just so busy. And everything's so chaotic. So it's an honor to be queer here with you. ROWAN: Oh my gosh, like ships in the night. I mean, I feel like in these podcasts with these guests, I always forget to actually introduce people because it's mainly like this is a cool person that I know about. And then I—I never actually do the proper podcasting of introducing them. So if you don't already know who Princess is, for shame, writer, YouTuber, pop culture thinker was the direct quote I believe. And I actually pulled up the quote from your YouTube channel, which I think is like chef's kiss, which is talking about pop culture, race, feminism, and other social issues with a lot of nuance and profanity. Incredible. PRINCESS: Yes. I— I do— ROWAN: Love that. PRINCESS: —I do love that. Sometimes I write something I'm like, that was good. I think that this is solid description. ROWAN: So essentially, honestly, if you like this podcast, if you like anything that Me or Jazza do on the internet, you will love everything that our guest does. Across the entirety of the internet, so many projects. We'll leave in the show notes various links for you to look up what she's doing. First question for you, the first question we always do on this particular type of guest episode. I use queer in that intro as kind of like an umbrella catch-all term, you know, the movies that made me queer. But do you use other words to describe your identities? Does that make sense as a question for you? Or would there be some other kind of words going on there? PRINCESS: No, absolutely. I use queer and Bi all the time. I am a very loud, proud stereotype bisexual person. And I love it. It's the term that I came into my queerness with. So even as I've evolved in people of like, well, what about pan or this, and it's like, I accept all those terms. But I call myself Bi and queer. And yeah, just very happy with. Happy being Bi. ROWAN: Amazing, love that. And as such, you have bought along, I don't know what these are. I love when like all the guests keep up secret from me beforehand. And so it's always really fun to see what stuff people overlap on, because I feel like there's a lot of quite classic, especially the bisexuals. You do—there's a few that you all seem to have zoned in like some kind of homing beacon onto certain characters and certain movies. And then sometimes there are really left-to-field ones. So would you like to lay before me on the platter of sexuality, your first entry into this particular podcast vault? PRINCESS: Well, I have to say, it's a precursor to this. I think like every—every queer kid can go back and find like, a billion moments where they're like, oh, yeah, like this because I was clear. Oh, yeah, I've totally quit that's why I like this. And for me, the thing I picked is the moment where I was just like, all of the denial just kind of like flushed down the toilet. And I was just like, well, it's no—I can no longer pretend that this is just - ROWAN: The floodgates have opened. PRINCESS: Just truly, fully opened. And it is— not even the movie itself, but the trailer for A24's, The Bling Ring. ROWAN: Wow! What a deep call. What a throwback. Incredible Okay, so for those who don't know, what—what is The Bling Ring, if no one—somehow, someone has passed them by? PRINCESS: Oh man, a true moment. Alright, so in 2013, Sofia Coppola, the soft girl boss directed at she is did an adaptation of the Vanity Fair article. The suspects were Louis Vittons about this—this gang quote-unquote, like “this gang of like rich kids” who were going into the homes of celebrities and stealing stuff from the celebrities. Purses, shoes, like it was chaotic. And it was a huge story. And in 2013 Sofia Coppola produced the film, and in the film playing one of the token members of The Bling Ring is Emma Watson. There's a scene in the trailer where Emma Watson is like, dancing and she does this thing where she like licks her upper lip and she's got like bangs, like she's like in the dance floor, she's having a good time. It's just kind of like licks her upper lip And I just remember thinking to myself like, oh, no, it's—oh no, it's finally—it's like the egg cracked, there was no—there was no more denial. There was no more like, oh, maybe I'm just—no, I was a homosexual. And I think it's because I always had a crush on Emma Watson. ROWAN: Very valid of you. PRINCESS: Thank you, um, in that front, but like, in a way where it's like I was always a girl's, girl. I always had female friends. I always wanted to be in the company ship of other women. So it was very easy for me to just be like, I just want to like be her best friend. And we could read books together, and we could like hang out like she likes to read, I like to read. You know, that kind of thing. And then first—the first thing that she did, was she got that haircut. When she like—after she was done filming that franchise. She cut her hair into this very cute like Audrey Hepburn, Anne Hathaway bob. And her face just like 10 times, just was like in my—in my mind, It's like, wow, she's so pretty. Wow! And I was like, no, it's fine. It's just—I'm just admiring her. ROWAN: I just really love to admire people who can pull off pixie cuts. Like uh—it's just an intellectual admiration of that face type. PRINCESS: Exactly. ROWAN: Yeah, of course. PRINCESS: And so—and so—but then when The Bling Ring trailer came out, and I saw that lip lick, I thought I really realized oh, no, I'm getting, and I have a crush on Emma Watson for real, for real. ROWAN: I love that. PRINCESS: And even though I don't particularly like The Bling Ring as a movie, that moment is imprinted on my soul forever. That—when I was sitting in bed thinking about like, we're gonna be talking about Xena again, or Sailor Moon, and I just like, I started reading some fanfiction, and then I was like, man, I really do still have a thing for Emma Watson. ROWAN: Alright. Okay, here's what's so funny. I've never actually seen The Bling Ring. I think I would love it because it gives me the sense of like a movie that would really tickle the ADHD, like good bit of my brain in terms of it being just fairytale taken fast, basically. Like, that seems like there's probably been a lot of that happening in that movie. So I haven't actually seen the film. But I know the exact moment in that trailer that you are talking. I'm like, yep, I can see it clear as day. And I think it was that like, at least from my recollection. She did the like pixie cut and stuff, which was sort of like her version of I'm grown up now. Like I'm separating myself from this franchise, it is a child. But I feel like Bling Ring was the first like role that she took that was like overtly sexy. I'm here. I'm like an adult. PRINCESS: Yes. ROWAN: And so it was obviously like, we're going hard on the idea of like, this is me stepping into my own. And she seems to have really put herself into that role. So— PRINCESS: Yeah. ROWAN: —it was just inevitable. PRINCESS: It was inevitable. It was like—it was the definitely hollow movies came out. Then she was in Perks of Being a Wallflower. Then this and her cameo. And this is the end came in like the same year. And then you know, she's on and off for a while. I don't think she's done anything since Little Women. But she's just like, I think also, even though I don't like to her, how her Belle came together in the movie. I think like as a kid, like, I'd always love Belle from Beauty and the Beast. And in my mind, she and Belle, and like Audrey Hepburn and kind of like all of the like warm, soft white girl femme things that I'm really am attracted to, were like all combined in my mind with her because she was smart and a feminist and someone who just seemed very aware and even when she wasn't trying to get aware. And then what is even more peak bisexuals, that I always had a crush on her and Tom Felton. And then they had that—they had that whole back and forth thing where like she wrote the intro to his memoir. And I just remember like, just like giggling when I found that out. And then I was like, what's wrong with you? Like you don't understand! Everything Bi in me is so pleased right now, that they're like, friends. ROWAN: A piece of context that I collect, everyone needs if you aren't familiar with the fact that Tom like the—I feel like the way that Princess has just told this story as if it's like some kind of historical event. PRINCESS: I know. ROWAN: Like his book came out this year. Like that—that reaction is still within you—within your like very being, it feels like. PRINCESS: It's—it's because, you know, for all of the things that I—that I—there are some fandoms that I really became queer in, or that I recognize my queerness in. And the things that I would ship and the—in the content I would consume. And so like the Draco, Hermione stuff, which is you know, very problematic hashtag I know. But because I had a crush on Emma Watson and Tom Felton as like people. It was like this perfect like blanket for me. And then there was although—there are always those rumors that like she had a crush on him in real life, which was confirmed. And so that brought me into a whole fit of giggles. And then I remember a couple years ago there was this image that one of them put on Instagram of like him teaching her the guitar, and like my entire like heart went into outer space. And then when the memoir came out, and I just—and I'm just like, wow! Emma Watson it—like their friendship just makes my heart very happy. But I just love the things that she's doing outside of acting. And I think The Bling Ring was the moment that I allowed myself to be like, no, I really have a crush on this girl. And it's weird because it's the first time I've ever had a crush on someone who was like my age, a real person and not a cartoon character. And someone who for my entire life had been like, both my age and a celebrity. Because I remember just the process happening and figuring out who this person wasn't it, which just very like. It was overwhelming. I think it's— I feel like that's probably how fed, the Jonas Brothers must feel. Who were like around the age when those, that's how I felt? Like Emma was all the Jonas's in one. ROWAN: Roll into one girl. The thing that was like so interesting, as well as that they were, like worldwide known celebrities, but felt very accessible in a strange way. Like felt like, just like, oh, I just got picked as a child to be in this, this movie series. And I'm— I don't know it's all just a little bit crazy, isn't it? And now I'm like going on these fun little shows. And so I really— it was—I definitely think that, that, that she has been a —as well as just being a very, very lovely looking gal. PRINCESS: So lovely looking gal. ROWAN: That you know for a long time we've really overlooked the fact that she entirely acts with her eyebrows. PRINCESS: Her and my girl Emilia Clarke those M's. They just love— but you know what the brows are free. It's fine. ROWAN: It's— it's very—there are like—there is this one, she was in this. I think it was a BBC adaptation of Ballet Shoes. PRINCESS: Yes. Mmm. ROWAN: Yes. Oh my god. That is peak Emma Watson eyebrow acting, and you could almost if you—like it would be dangerous playing a drinking game with it because you would— like it would—you would be absolutely wrecked by like the third scene. And then within it she plays a girl who loves—who wants to be an actor. And then she like doubles down on the eyebrows cheering, she does like a monologue from Puck PRINCESS: Oh my goodness. ROWAN: And it's incredible. And me and my brother like ca— it's really hard for us to watch an Emma Watson film. We have to like deliberately try to ignore her eyebrows like just cover the top half of the screen. I love that girl. And I think I agree with you in terms of like everything that she is seeming to let use her platform for and like trying to do with the fame that she got from a young age. But also I think there are just some elements of her. I'm like you, or do you just seem like a normal person? PRINCESS: Yeah. ROWAN: And that it almost makes it more alluring. PRINCESS: Yes. I think that's really true. And I think it's, I think when you compare like the Potter kid actors to like any other fandom, while there's definitely was gross. It was like the older men who were like trying to like sleep with her as soon as she turned 18. They just seem very level-headed, like it was before Instagram, before Tiktok, before we had that much accessibility. And also, I think to a degree them being British, and being around so many actors who could curate them and guide them who are these, like, you know, you've got like the best lessons ever. You have all these actors with like, decades and decades of experience under their belt, being around you to help you get through that. I think that's why most of them have turned out so well, is because they really had a lot of pragmatic, thoughtful people around them. ROWAN: Yeah. PRINCESS: And I just find that so refreshing. And I think that even when I you know, I feel like if her and Emilia Clarke were in a movie that would just be like—it— that should be the trailer. It's just their eyebrows and their eyes. ROWAN: That's all you see. PRINCESS: Because all anyone— because that's what everyone would think about. ROWAN: If the if— if movie poster designers had any balls like they used to, it would just be eyebrows. That's the poster. PRINCESS: Yeah. ROWAN: If they— if they committed to the bid. PRINCESS: We would love it. ROWAN: It wouldn't be one of these like posters with every single person's face that's on there, like, you know, the classic MCU posters now. I think specifically just when—they need to be cast together just so that we can go away. And then also, you know, it'd be great if Matt Smith was also in it. . That was just a blank space on the poster where Matt Smith belongs. PRINCESS: Absolutely. Like you have the the biggest like you have Amelia and Emma right here. Matt Smith on the side like a little ghost. And then you have Lily Collin just over there. no. People need to learn the art of making a great delicious poster again. Yeah. I just— you know, I think crushers are such a fun thing to look back on. Even if they are like celebrity crushes because the ability to like you get over a person was so normalized to Tumblr? That you could just be really out quietly to yourself, while still getting to appreciate these figures, and get to work out those fields. I think that's the thing that I kind of like about, the before I was a queer time in figuring out, was I got to do it by myself, you know? There wasn't a pressure that come out, cause I wasn't like anything big, the way I am now. But I really get to just enjoy, just having a crush and liking a person. But also not having to be a stan either, like I love her. I would do anything for her. but I'll still make fun of her eyebrow acting like I'm not ridiculous. ROWAN: I kind of want to ask about the Tumblr, were you like a Tumblr teen? Is that where you were? PRINCESS: Oh, yeah. ROWAN: Of course. Um, because I think that Tumblr weirdly is this kind of anonymized space, in a way in terms of fans. Like, you don't know how many followers people have. You can't tell who's like a big name in the fandom really. And then you also—there's no chance that your—people that you're a fan of will run into this content unless someone literally like showed them or they had some kind of secret Tumblr account. Whereas with the rise of Twitter, it feels like people are much more likely to be able to, like, directly try and contact people they're a fan of and like, have that kind of feel, like they might be able to have a reciprocal relationship. Do you see like a big difference between that energy that maybe I think when we were teenagers, it was more of a private thing, as it were like there was a community with the other fans and your friends as opposed to like having access to people? PRINCESS: Well, you know, it was interesting, because I was a smaller public figure at the time, like, because I'd been doing YouTube for so long, people knew who I was. But it was a lot more people who were engaging with me in good faith. You know, like, it wasn't like, peop— there would be pushback or asking questions with the anons, but you could also turn that off. And that would immediately stop people from wanting to ask you questions because they didn't want to put their name to it. So I think even just having that option was a really good way of filtering out people who were there to troll you, or to antagonize you. And people who just really had questions to ask you. But I ended up making a lot of really good friends through Tumblr, and I think the tagging system on it was just so much better. Because if you were looking for a meta-commentary about something, you could just click on it and find that. And if you're looking for, like you know, for me, I think like something like Teen Wolf, and I was specifically looking for people who are anti-racist in that fandom. And I could just go to the tags and find who I needed and who I wanted, and soft block anyone that I didn't. And I didn't have to soft block everybody, I could just block those tags. And that would just keep me from go—like even now, like when I left— when I soft left Twitter because I still have to go on it for work. I'll go on Tumblr, and it's actually great because it's already been filtered for me. So when I go on it unless it's like a sponsor thing, I usually only see things I like, and I think that's really the ideal experience, is to just like, see the things you like when you're going online. ROWAN: That's so true. Okay, now that you've named dropped Teen Wolf, I need to know if Teen Wolf has any part of your queer journey? The—that. PRINCESS: No. ROWAN: Oooh. You know what, I love that for you. Truly. PRINCESS: You know— you know it is is that like I, so—so I love like Teen Wolf, Merlin, a bunch of those shows. And um, but the problem was that there was just so much misogyny, and anti-blackness in those communities, that any enjoyment that I would have gotten out of some of the queer experiences were like, very thoroughly like, because—and I'm writing about this for—for my book. But like, it was just weird to see, like, like, I appreciate stearic as like a concept and a thing that people like, you know? like I get it. Like I get it. ROWAN: That is the most diplomatic answer to like any fandom question is like, I appreciate this in theory, like I—I you know, the concept of the theory behind, but yes, entirely. I mean, Teen Wolf is pretty notorious for being this fandom, where they were like, do you know what we're gonna do? We're gonna find just two white boys who have never interacted on screen, and they be our ship. PRINCESS: It was just like, again, I do get it because I do that with women all the time. You know, I peep— I understand the appeal of like super court for that very same reason. Y'all like two pretty white people together, that's fine. But then there'll be actual queer characters and quicker there's no color in it, and there'll be nothing. Or just a lot of harassment, because for me with it was just like, I get it. You want Arthur and Merlin to be a thing. That is not Gwen's fault, honey. Like, if Arthur was not dating Gwen, he would not be dating Merlin, because the writers of this series are cowards and will not let them be gay. Even though there are literal rules. I know there are literal books where like Arthur's is in a throttle with Lancelot and Guinevere. So it's just like, they're not doing that. But it becomes this situation where it's somehow treated like— the fight for representation can include attacking and harassing and demonizing black and brown people who are not standing in the way of your queerness. They are not doing that. They are just trying to enjoy that there's a black queen in the show. And it's like it always upsets me how the iron will go to the wrong people. And it stops you from being able to enjoy it. Because I used to like really like Stiles, on Teen Wolf. But then I began to see all these people who like, felt like liking Stiles, meant you had to like hate, Scott. And I just got slowly uncomfortable, like, we don't have that many Latino characters that get to be like really sweet himbo protagonists. Why are we acting this way? You can just like a secondary character like we all do it, we all do it. So it wasn't part of my queer experience, but it was part of like my intrasexual experience of kind of understanding what it meant to be like queer and brown in a fandom space. ROWAN: I mean, I specifically at this point, really removed myself from any fandom spaces of something if I want to like it. I'm like, if this is the thing, I think I'm going to be a fan of, I'm outside of it. I consume it. I have my thoughts about it. I talk to people I know about it. And then maybe I start dipping a toe into spaces when I know that like people I already follow who already talk about stuff that I like, or who have write good fanfiction, or do good fan art. If they've gotten into it, I might dip in. But like, even from the point of view of someone who's queer, and why you—like, it just completely destroys your interest in the shows to have misogyny racism. Like, homophobia, biphobia, somehow also enter these spaces that are meant to be so kind of inclusive with this idea of like fandom, being a space in which the mainstream, like lack of intersectionality, can be corrected, which I think is fandom is strongest, that when people use found it as an excuse to like double down on the kind of critiques that rightly or put against shows, it kind of just feels just the worst to me. PRINCESS: Yeah. ROWAN: To be honest. PRINCESS: Yeah. It's—it's a really interesting experience because I think that there are so many people who really come to fandom looking for a community and cannot accept that parts of their community might still have internalized issues, and , which is like every community has that. And we all in our time online, get pushback from that. And we don't always react really well, the first time it happens. We're human. But the point is that like after you sit with that for a while, are you going to like, actually address it or no? You know, how many times do you have to have fans telling you like, stop calling Gwen a gorilla before you'd realize that like, that's maybe not okay, and not helping your ship because it's not her fault that the writers don't want your characters to be gay. And I think also because queerbaiting was such a big like, this is when like Tumblr really started the queerbaiting conversation, and it got transferred onto Twitter. But I think that, because on Tumblr, you could have these long-form posts, and really get into the nitty-gritty. When we were talking about queerbaiting, we could really sit and discuss, like the specific moments and have like the gifts and everything to be like, this is what we're talking about. And because Twitter is such a shorthand thing, that term just got kind of like copy-pasted onto so many other things. And we—and you've talked about this a lot in your content, because I follow it because everyone should. Queerbaiting kind of lost its meaning as it got transferred and diluted from one space to another because you couldn't actually discuss it. You either accepted it with like a few bits of evidence, or you'd have a long thread that people would you— lose attraction for halfway through because a 10-piece thread is going to have so many different parts than one contained meta post. ROWAN: Yeah, exactly. I mean, do you feel like there are any of these shows or movies or books, or any piece of media where you've entered into the fandom and felt like, oh, this, this is working? Like this—this makes me feel seen and appreciated as someone with these kinds of like intersecting identities. Or do you feel like it's not not really built that way, right now? PRINCESS: I think that even with the best of intentions, a lot of places are not always ready to unpack their anti-blackness, like, that's been the biggest hurdle that I've seen, like, in almost every single queer community I've been in. Unless it was like a black show or something like your black lightning or whatever. There was always a difference between how people would treat the characters of color, versus the white characters. And there was always like, a reason why and it was always like about the writing. But I think the reason why it doesn't work well, is because the communities will just push out the people who are pushing back on them. And there's a—there's a desire to disengage because that's not what you're actually coming to it for. Which is kind of the tricky part is that a lot of people are going to Tumblr to just kind of enjoy and be in community with each other. And a lot of people just treat community as in like, we're just all gonna be the same and it's easy. And when you get that kind of pushback, and you have to ask, get asked these difficult questions that you are not ready to deal with. It's very easy to just label someone like an anti or pro this and then just dismiss them. And that kind of repeats the cycle. Because I do think that there are valid reasons to be frustrated, especially with that particular queerbaiting of the late 2000s and early 2010s. Because they definitely knew what they were doing. But there comes a certain point of which, why are you as a consumer, still supporting and dealing with things that are clearly not meeting you where you feel like you need to be met as a queer person. And something that we're still dealing with about as consumers deciding and really being picky about who we are choosing to put our energy behind. Because queer marketing can do a lot if it's done well. ROWAN: a lack of queer marketing— PRINCESS: Yeah. ROWAN: —can—can be like really pass people by. I mean, the example I always think of is, in books, actually. There's a wild book called Wranglestone, and it had a—I don't think they thought it was gonna be as popular as it was. And I think it gained word of mouth because people were like, it's the gays on the book. It's the gays on BYA book. And so suddenly, they had to do a reprint, and I went into a bookstore when the reprint came out, and they still had copies of the old cover. And it was exactly the same except for this one quote on the back, that was added for the second print, which made it obvious it was gay. Because prior to that, there had not been any obvious gay stuff within the blurb, within the quotations, there was nothing. And suddenly they'd made it obvious because they suddenly clock like, oh, wait, the gay teens, aka the readers. Although, maybe they want to read this book. PRINCESS: Exactly. ROWAN: And I think that, that that's always like, they've been this weird balance of like, some places trying to conceal queerness because they— I guess they can think they can sneak it in front of straight people and they won't notice. But along the way, you're gonna miss a lot of queer people who are like actively searching for this representation, and kind of actively excited about it. I am curious as to whether any of the stuff that you were kind of like had on your list is overtly queer. Like whether that you've kind of felt representation from media that was trying to represent you? Or whether it's kind of been stuff that you've interpreted through a queer lens or connected through in a queer way that wasn't necessarily in the source material? PRINCESS: Well, I think one of the things about having been into anime as a kid is like, the dress is a lot more of it, even when they couldn't necessarily kiss on screen, you kind of knew what was going on. Then the biggest thing for me is like, obviously, like Sailor Moon, where it was like, you know, Uranus, Neptune they're— they're are a couple and they— ROWAN: Those cousins, PRINCESS: Those beautiful cousins. Yes. And I—I don't think— I can't— I don't know anyone who watched the dub and really thought that that was really what was going on. Like, it was just like, it was like, Oh, they're not, they're actually cousins. ROWAN: Yeah, for those—for those who don't know, essentially, yeah, there was basically what it sounds like, there were two characters who were made in the I think it was like, specifically America when it was over in America that they did the English dub for Americans, and they claimed that these two women were cousins. While they were very much doing things that cousins like would not, should not be doing. PRINCESS: Holding hands very closely. Yeah. ROWAN: Very closely, really giving that cousin energy. And so it's kind of now I think it does seem ridiculous, but it was essentially like censorship that was deliberately trying to make sure that there wasn't even like, an ambiguous relationship people could interpret as being queer. It was like, nope. Cousins, absolutely not. Let's not go there. PRINCESS: Right. And even something like Cardcaptor Sakura, which we got became Card captor, and the dub, you know, the leading boy character, Syaoran, he's bi-canonically, and that was like, written around. And so it was—it was interesting for me of like, watching these shows that were either—that were subtly queer. And I say that in like, subtle only in the sense that they couldn't say it explicitly because of censorship. But everybody knew it was going on, like Xena. You know, I always tell my mom, like, you're the one who got me to watch Xena, so you can't blame me for being bisexual. It is like bisexuality, the show. ROWAN: Truly. PRINCESS: And so those were the things that really at that age, really allowed me to feel comfortable. And then the works of Tamara Pierce. Because in her—especially in her Circle of Magic series, there is a lesbian couple in it, and like a normalization of the idea that you know, LGBT peoples do exist in these worlds. And I think as I got older and expand to like fantasy and things like that, it became very easy to read between the lines and be like, oh okay, that's a little gay. You know, the first time I read like, vampire, and I was like, so they have a kid huh? Alright, that makes sense. I'm picking that up. I love that we're both wearing striped sweaters, by the way, I just wasn't thinking about that. ROWAN: Yeah. We matched deliberately. PRINCESS: We did it. ROWAN: That was very on purpose. I mean, like, Tamara Pierce, what a fool— I feel like, there is just this kind of experience. A certain experience of being into Tamara Pierce, as a teenage—as a teenager and most likely as a teenage girl into queerness pipeline is absolutely chef's kiss. I truly don't know why there hasn't been adaptations of those books. PRINCESS: I that all the time. It's so frustrating. ROWAN: It's very—listen, if you— if anyone who's is listening to this and you don't know the book series that we're talking about, essentially, it was like my absolute bread and butter. One world called and various books, standalone geologies, quartet, series that kind of spanned like hundreds of years that still, I think being written today. And they all were very, like the quintessential one I'd say, is probably the Lioness Quartet, which was the classic tale of like a girl who disguises herself as a boy to become a knight in it. Followed her from when she was like a kid to when she was in her early 20s. And it was that kind of energy of like, the 90s feminist vibes in a fantasy setting. And yeah, they—they—but they these books that did have these appearances that I hadn't come across before of like queer characters, or have kind of tomboy characters who were treated with respect and it was a really—do you—It's—you would be listening to this and be like, wow, primed for an adaptation. And yeah, so that's the next one. That's—that's my big pitch to if anyone—hi, Netflix, if you're listening PRINCESS: You can't trust them anymore. Maybe Amazon. ROWAN: You know what actually, you're right. You're right. That's very true. BBC, if you want to do I guess, the entirety of the series and nine episodes, that is kind of your bag, then it's sort— it's available I say, as someone who has no affiliation with Tamara Pierce or her legal— legal team. PRINCESS: Give them show money. ROWAN: Get—please, please give them something. [theme] ROWAN: Hello, dear listener, this is Rowan from a slightly different time of recording. Sorry to interrupt myself here. 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Like it was explicit that like there's even a whole thing where like, you know, Uranus is flirting with you, Usagi, and the girlfriend and her girlfriend. And then Pluto comes in It's like, oh, you all live together. And I go and raise this child. I see what's going on. So I think as I got out of just traditional Western media, which my parents were very encouraging of, and being able to read like other comics and seeing those experiences, it just became more and more normalized to me. And then just sort of like, I think Buffy at a certain level of like, even before I watched it, I knew the big thing about was that you know? Willow is a lesbian, which made it very shocking when I watched it from the beginning. And I'm like, what do you mean she likes Xander? I already stan. I thought she was gay. I thought she was a le—I felt betrayed in advance. I was like, what, what, what? Like, oh, it's just like, this is not what I signed up for. But then so it was very conflicting. But I was like, well, I can just be Bi, I guess in my headcanon because, you know, we—discourse for another day. ROWAN: Listen, we truly peace has peaceful come to our lands when the bisexual Willow and the lesbian Willow headcanon has lived together in harmony. I'm part of that collective. I feel like you know, it's a fictional character, who has had relationships with both men and women. And therefore, you can—you can argue both sides and you can see yourself on both sides. Both the, I have had relationships with multiple genders, I find attraction to multiple genders. I am Bi-Pan and Willow is too. All the sometimes lesbians have relationships with men before they figure themselves out. Lesbian experience, and I believe they can all exist in harmony together. PRINCESS: Absolutely. I mean, I'm just thinking that also just, you know, they'll—they'll like we'll— we'll become trans. I think have been a great trans woman character. So I'm just like ROWAN: You know what, that's—I take it back. That's the Galaxy burning take that we needed. PRINCESS: So I'm like that just as soon as it's like Oz comes out, realizes that they are trans woman, everything comes up, right as rain. It's like you were always in all the same. ROWAN: All coming together. The red string is connecting. PRINCESS: Exactly. We just go right past standards, like that was just a mistake. We're just gonna— ROWAN: Don't think about that—that's fine. Don't worry about it. So was it— it sounds like you sort of already knew there was like an element of queerness. Was this when you were already out or at least had figured out your own sexuality, or is this one of those things where you're like, oh, curious, a lesbian character? For no reason at all. I'll check that out. PRINCESS: I think because I think I watched Buffy between my junior and the summer between my sophomore and Junior year of college. And junior year was kind of the year where I was sort of realizing things like yeah, I made it with my female friend but we're just like, fig— we're just hanging out, you know. ROWAN: We're just friends of Katy Perry, just having a little bit of fun. PRINCESS: Literally was obsessed with Katy Perry. Had I kissed a girl, I played it out all the time. I made like two Disney AMVs to I kissed a girl when that came out. ROWAN: Of course she did. PRINCESS: My friends printed out for my birthday like Katy Perry thing, say happy birthday to me. Again, it's one of those things where like, you look back, and it's like really. The call was coming from inside the brain. But the first show that I watched while I was queer, and that it really connected with me in that way particular, was Lost Girl. Particularly because the character was bisexual, was a succubus, had like relations between different kinds of genders. And while I still have like, my own critiques of that series on the whole, is it—it remains super important to me, and I'm actually watching it with my girlfriend right now. Because it was the first time that I was queer, and watching a queer show at the same time, and actively seeing things that made me feel seen. And also like she was the main character. She wasn't the side character, she wasn't she was the leading character, was a bisexual Succubus and like her being sexual, was not treated as a good or bad thing, it's just part of her nature. And I just really remember feeling just so held by that. And I think even when I critique it in terms of how it handled race, I'll always have like this bit of me that wants to share it with other people because it just meant so much for me at that time. ROWAN: I think that that is like a—feels like an almost universal experience of being I guess anyone who's—of an identity that has not had representation, necessarily, like held out to them and given to them, that you will have these things that you are like, I want to recommend this to you. I really liked this, it meant a lot to m., I might have to rewatch it to see how rose-tinted my glasses were when I was gro—when I was like completely like looking at it through the glasses of like, oh my god, the first time I've ever seen this. And then you go back and you're like, okay, so we have to acknowledge this, this, and this about it. But it is like when you don't necessarily have this wealth of representation, where you can be like, oh, there was enough of it that it feels comfortable to represent there, to talk about this particular representation because there's others that can fill in those gaps. Or this actually did it really well. That feels like a very— an experience I'm sure a lot of listeners will relate to in some way. Honestly. PRINCESS: And because I was like older than—like not older, but I was in college then and I was like already know I was going to be like a lit nerd. I was unpacking a lot of it while I was watching it, which is why it's one of those things where like because I was already a nitpicky nerd, it's like, I've already— I can tell you the problematic before—about it before we even start watching. It's like so when I was I'm like, okay, so this episode has this, has this. Overall is very good, but we're just gonna prepare you. And I think that's kind of the good thing.this pushback about the idea of like, oh, you're gonna be like a buzzkill, if you like tell people it's like, I think most people with any real media analysis, understand that not everything is going to be perfect. Things are going to—can age weirdly, people can not necessarily know what they're doing. The important thing is like, acknowledging it and not trying to like pretend it doesn't exist. You know, I would much rather deal with acknowledging that there is transphobia in something, then be like, I mean, you could read it this way. It's like no, we'll read it the way that it is very clearly done in the story, which is transphobia. PRINCESS: I mean, like I'm notoriously my entire personality is the show Black Sails. So yes, PRINCESS: Yes. I love Black Sails. ROWAN: —because oh boy, season one. PRINCESS: Oh, yeah. ROWAN: And so I recommend it to people on like, but listen, season one is also a thing. So I gotta warn you. I gotta warn you for a whole season. I mean, it's still good, but like, oh, boy. PRINCESS: Yeah. ROWAN: So I'm very used to the whole, I can love a piece of media that I'm also critiquing kind of energy to him. PRINCESS: Yeah. Black Sails was a hard one because I remember that first season two, I watched it live and I'm just like, it's gonna be gay pirate soon everyone said, that's When Our Flag Means Death came out, it's like gay pirates. I've been here before. ROWAN: I was like, oh, yes. My two shows, my two gay pirate shows. I really love the fact that they only were— having said that, you know, need lots of representation to get it right. Really the honest he said, Okay, we're gonna have exactly two gay pirate shows. And they're both going to be bangers and I respect that. It's like a concept. I think it's right, considering the Pirates of Caribbean was a bisexual awakening for so many people, and just felt like the proper legacy of piracy. PRINCESS: And it was really interesting. I got to interview the writers of Black Sails. And I talked about that it was really important for them to like, acknowledge that like, part of the reason why people think of pirates as like, funny, you know, characters is because of propaganda used to sort of marginalize them, because they were on the outskirts of society a lot. Like kind of like how cowboys lot of, and there were people of color, freaks, formerly enslaved people. You know, women wearing, you know, male clothing, and it's like, wow, showrunners who actually do their research and appreciate their subject matter, I think also as it—as I get older, I think, no, actually, this is so funny. I, so I like a turn-based RPGs. And I love the game Fire Emblem. And one of the things that you could do in the Fire Emblem games is like put people in relationships. And so I would always just wanting to be putting all the girls together. And all the guys might be like, it's just normal, I just want everyone to be happy. And their best friends, they want to be best friends forever. So now they can get married. And so—and so it's very funny to like, go back and think about like, yeah, I really wanted all of these queer couples, and like, I'm playing the newest Fire Emblem now. And they have like a lot of callbacks to like, the older games. And I'm just like, oh, man, these are my babies. These are all my cute babies. And it's just been really fun seeing aspects of other characters that I really love come alive again. And finding all these little ways in which I was always kind of asserting my queerness in different ways. And coming to terms with sort of like what that meant for me. Because I don't think always meant one thing, or just one experience, which I think is fine. I don't think it ever should be just one thing to encompass so many people. But finding it in even places where I didn't expect it, I think was always a thrill of it, you know, of like, oh, my God, like I have this possibility. And that one, that possibility came up, I took it. That I really wanted to make it happen for me. And I think that's something that I really enjoy. You know that I'm older, I just really enjoy getting to be queer and enjoying stuff, and finding things where I don't have to make it up anymore. Or even if I go back to something that's older, to be able to see like—to see what they said I missed, because I think a lot of times authors are trying to do that. But they— they had so much pushback, especially when we were growing up about how queer you could make something without it being, you know, a whole issue. So it's actually fun for me to go and revisit things and figure out oh, like, this is the actual text, the actual text is gay. It was everyone else who was lying to me. ROWAN: Hmm, yeah, definitely. And I think that that, like, I feel like I've talked to so many people who have found that like, the Fire Emblem experience that you've had in various places, whether it was like how they played with their dolls when they were younger, and like how they paired them up, or like playing their Sims and deciding like, who was living in the house with The Sims getting together. Or like fan fiction and fan art, and like finding those pairings that you wanted to put together to be like, ah, yes. And then as you're getting older, having more and more of awareness of like that being a deliberate act, rather than something that you are just doing to be part of the figuring out process, or because you're not even aware that that shouldn't be how the world works. And so it's really interesting seeing these ways in which exactly as you said like people are creating the queerness and like actualizing it in a way in front of them. You know, whether they're kind of cognizant of doing that deliberately and putting that out into the world to share it. Or just privately as part of like that growing up process. PRINCESS: And also that like game, like even The Sims, like The Sims gave you like— you could have—in The Sims two, you could have gay couples, and they were just adopt a kid, like you just like ready to have a baby, instead of like, you know, having sex, you would just all of a sudden a woman would arrive with a baby and be like, here you are. And I'm just like, that's so convenient. Thank you. Didn't have to do any paperwork or anything. And so I really appreciate even those kinds of things, I look back of like, the possibility of being able to just enjoy things for myself. That is something that I just find so important. I really think that games specifically have become a really great way for people to play with their gender and sexuality and really, you know, get to experience it on their terms, and in spaces where they would not be able to do so. Like I liked Boyfriend Dungeon because I liked the idea that like you could have as many partners as you want of every flip, or you just be friends with them. And that was just—and either way, it was fine. And I think the more that we allow that to happen to like be able to be with any gender you want, pronouns you want in the game, and normalize it the better. We are going to be with giving younger queer kids, and queer adults who still enjoy this shit. The best experiences, while other people can just get normalized to it, you know. Like, it's not that big of a deal that to have pronouns in anything. It's just pronouns, guys. And also don't stream Harry Potter. ROWAN: Yeah, that's a— that's a official order from the podcast, endorsed by Jazza, who isn't here. And as Jazza is the gamer amongst the podcast, co-hosts of me and Jazza. Jazza specifically used to work at Google supporting creators and was put on to gamers. And then me, it was like all these gamers, Jazza the gamer and then Rowan is this little extra person that was like, hi, I've never played a game in my entire life. I've—Does Dungeons & Dragons count? And Jazza's like, I love the game, but no, Rowan, that's a different kind of game. But again, like one of those games where people use it to explore their kind of gender and sexuality in a really interesting way. I guess it is that kind of participating in something and having a hand in creating it as you're interacting with a piece of media that someone else has created, means that it's like a safe place to explore, but also gives you enough, like creative control and autonomy to make those choices and, and feel like you've got like a part in it. PRINCESS: Absolutely. And I love that part of it. Like I like— if I could design games or like do things like that, I would definitely want to do more of that. Because there's just so— the options are endless, especially because it's like, I want gays in space, you know, like I like—I like just game to play a game like even um, crusade kings where like, you can form alliances with other care—with other like nations, and they can be gay too. Like, you can just have those options of having queer alliances and doing those kinds of things or like, even in Civ VI now, they have King Christina, and like, all these other female and male models have played with gender in them, just already there. So if you don't know who they are, and you look up this kind of stuff, you can just figure out oh, there is this like gay ruler that was around during this time or this, you know, ruler who played with pronouns. I mean, playing with pronouns, especially in games, when you—like history games is such a common experience, you know, like female pharaohs, or like, women who call themselves kings and things like that, like there's so much there. And I think a well-made game is a great entry point to that kind of work. ROWAN: Amazing. We're almost at the end of time. Oh, my goodness, time has absolutely flown. So I wanted to just ask if there's anything else that we haven't talked about that you wanted to mention, or that you wanted to bring up before we end? PRINCESS: Um, no. Other than just kind of being surprised that A24 had a— had a grip on me at so young of an age. ROWAN: I fully forgot The Bling Ring was an A24 film. Like it wasn't until you said, I was like A24, and I'm like, oh, a recent one. And then fully forgot that A24 has been around for more than like five years. PRINCESS: Yeah, it's like them and Spring Breakers, which is like the—the tether of The Bling Ring. Oh, just like, oh, right, you know. And I think Spring Breakers is the energy I wished The Bling Ring had. But they're both in that same venue of like girls behaving badly, which I do appreciate. ROWAN: Just being chaotic. I was thinking about it took me a second, when you. And I was like, oh, it's— it's not Spring Breakers. But I had that moment of being like, wait, which film is which? Okay, yeah, that'll— that'll make sense now. But I do—I mean, like, I think that it's, again, haven't seen Spring Breakers. And yeah, I feel like you could tell me like a particular scene from the trailer, and I'd be like, oh, yeah, not that exact one, because I think that something's just the internet immediately knows that this is—this is the thing people are going to want to get off. And they're gonna make it for you. PRINCESS: No, absolutely. And I think that it's just you know, it's— it's so great to look back like when I was prepping for this episode, and like figuring out where I was going to start off with, with Emma Watson. It was just fun going back and looking at the trailer now. Every trailer, no matter what, may to include that theme. And then like every—because now you can see what the most replayed moment is out of thing. Every single one that most replays is the topic. And I'm like the people understand that this is what we want. ROWAN: And whoever cut those trailers, understood what the people wanted as well. PRINCESS: A good—a good trailer. Doesn't tell you the entire plot, but just gives you enough to be like titillated forever. It's so good. I really— ROWAN: Every trailer should just have like a millisecond of that gift in it. Like any—any genre any trailer, give the people what they want, it's Emma Watson, licking upper lip with a fringe. PRINCESS: That'll— that'll do it. Ah. ROWAN: That fringe. PRINCESS: A goo—a solid wig. I was very proud of her. But yeah, I just—I'm just really happy that I get to talk to you about gay shit. And that I can talk about my embarrassing crush because I'm not embarrassed by it. I love Emma Watson. I think that she does good things with her politics. And I just love— I don't think— I think honestly, if you were a queer kid and you had a crush on any of the Golden Trio, you turned out— everything turned out really good for you. Like, that's such a rare thing to say. But like, all of them have been pro-trans rights very much in the main. They all do normal kid things, Rupert Grint still looks hot as hell. He's a dad. He's a whole father now. ROWAN: He has an ice cream truck that was like a whole thing for a while. He just like went around and gave out free ice cream, because it was like I got money and I guess what I'm gonna do with it is give ice creams. And I'm like, adorable. PRINCESS: Yeah. And like Daniel—Daniel Radcliffe was a short Jewish king. He just like literally does whatever he wants with his money. Like him and Elijah Wood are just killing it in terms of like, short King got money on, hanging out. ROWAN: Chaotic like indie film energy. I honestly love that. I feel like—never hasn't been a star that's— that big, but that I feel like any random person could write a weird short film and just get him to agree to be in it. Like any— I feel like any of you people listening right now if you wrote a short film, and made it weird enough, Daniel Radcliffe is going to be in it. PRINCESS: Absolutely. ROWAN: He's gonna be like, sure, I'll pay you to be in it. PRINCESS: Right. ROWAN: I believe that with my whole chest. PRINCESS: Yeah. Their— they are just good kids, lads, people who like I think they are the template of light. This is how you guide a child through the process of becoming immensely famous. And also giving them the space to just like, do whatever you want. Whether it be prestige, or you do like, you're gonna be like a sexy tavern boy, Dan Rad, like, do whatever you want. God bless. ROWAN: Stunning. I have a final question for you. PRINCESS: Yeah? ROWAN: Which is, do you feel like there's any— like as you've been going through the journey of like, your queerness, whether that is still ongoing, whether you feel like you're like settled, I've settled on my throne. Do you feel like there's been any of your experiences missing from representation, like you've—you've had a particular experience or a particular intersection of your identity, or a particular like life event that you've had that you're like, I don't know, if I've really seen something that's made me feel like, yes, this has been represented, this feels like it's something I've seen reflected back to me. PRINCESS: You know, I think because I have enough privileges in my life. I think I'm pretty good. I think—I think I'm still trying to find just the baseline sometimes. Like I think First Kill and the character of Calliope was sadly like one of those characters that was like, oh, my God, this is so exactly, exactly what I would have wanted, and then it was gone. But I think in general, the thing that I that I really would love to see more of is just more, you know body diversity, more darker skin people, more discussion of STI and a non-stigmatic way. Because I think what I liked about feminism college girls, was that they had like the character who is a lesbian, she had chlamydia. And she's like, I didn't know. And they're all like, I didn't know that you could get chlamydia for sleeping with women. It's like, yes, you can girl, yes you can. So I just would like to just see more, you know, people who aren't able-bodied, people who, you know, who don't just have one partner throughout the entire thing. Normalizing STIs. Those kinds of little things that you may think, don't matter. But when we talk about sort of, like intimacy, and romance and sex, I think it's important to let people know that like, even if you're someone like for example, with herpes, or something like that, that you still are a little person because that happens all the time. And I think that just those small things make a big difference to people. So I'm lucky that I have had enough experiences and enough stuff with my own intersection. So even though it's not full, I mostly am looking for it to expand beyond someone like me into the more margins, you know/ ROWAN: Yeah. Amazing. Sweet. Before I do my little ending, there was there anything else you wanted to add? Or that you forgot to say or anything like that? PRINCESS: Just that you're awesome, and I love the work that you do. And I'm really glad that we finally got to like, chat about something. And also like, we definitely need to do something about Black Sails eventually, because that would be so fun. ROWAN: It's like truly. I'm like so excited for the fact that they are doing Percy Jackson. I'm, like, truly have never felt more safe in an adaptation in my life. PRINCESS: I like as someone who was a—who was a fan of Artemis Fowl, I really am rooting for you, Percy Jackson kids. ROWAN: I'm not even a Percy Jackson kid. So the reason why I'm like have skin in the game for the Percy Jackson thing is because I used to work at Penguin who published them in the UK. And so I like weirdly had a relationship with it as lik
We're joined by Rolling Stone Magazine staff writer Larisha Paul to look into the controversies surrounding The Grammys and Harry Styles album of the year win. Looking into the categorical mistreatment of Beyonce by the Grammy voting committee and why Harry Styles became the villain in her loss of the AOTY category. And it wouldn't be an episode with Larisha or a discussion involving Harry Styles if we didn't touch on Queerbaiting again, so we're looking into an incredible NYTimes article written by Mark Harris about why the use of queerbaiting has gotten completely out of hand. Enjoy this episode? Join our Patreon community or leave us a tip on PayPal! Want to talk more? Find us: @name3songs | @sara_feigin | @jenna_million Check out all the sources for this episode at name3songs.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
We simply had to start off with a controversial topic--Harry Styles' latest fîlme... My Policeman. As soon as it was announced the allegations were FLYING: is it copaganda???? Is it homophobic?? Is Harry gay?? Is he QUEERBAITING??????????? Amazingly for you all, we (mostly Hadar) know a disgusting amount about Harry Styles the man the myth the legend, and we also both read the book and saw the movie. We did our fucking Homework for this shit. We're coming in hot with our takes on everything from Harry's birth chart to the symbolism of the ocean. You can follow us on instagram @lasttwobraincellspod and if you're feeling generous you can subscribe to our podcast :) If you're feeling sPiCy you can send us a voice note, if we get some good ones perhaps we'll do a bonus follow up episode responding to them. You can also send a voice note with a suggestion for future episode topics. And we might make a Patreon but TBD..... --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app
Everybody is shipping #Wenclair. Netflix and the show's cast are leaning into the queer community with interviews and "Wednesgay" drag events without actually showing us meaningful gay rep on screen. Meanwhile, Wednesday could and should be an AroAce icon.
Listen to the full episode of Culture Vulture on Spotify here. And on Apple Podcasts here. Today we talk about the latest word to be weaponised by the internet: "queerbaiting." So what is it, can a REAL person actually do it (or is it reserved for fictional characters and strategists), and how do we make sure we don't see a repeat of what happened to Kit Connor? All of this and more wherever you get your pods! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Today we talk about the latest word to be weaponised by the internet: "queerbaiting." So what is it, can a REAL person actually do it (or is it reserved for fictional characters and strategists), and how do we make sure we don't see a repeat of what happened to Kit Connor? All of this and more wherever you get your pods! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Palm Springs Pride took us out! But we're back and ready to discuss filth. We're unpacking our experiences with gay porn, No Nut November, porn addiction and the effect it has on our community. Plus, this week in our 'LGBTQs in the News' segment, queerbaiting, Keke Palmer, the Rainbow Wave, Nikita Dragun, and more!Info Discussed: Ryan Murphy thinks Netflix should have kept its LGBTQ tag on “Dahmer”Heartstopper's Kit Connor comes out as bisexual, says he feels forced to do soMiss Argentina and Miss Puerto Rico reveal they've tied the knot after secret two-year relationshipKeke Palmer says her sexuality is ‘in the middle' – and tells women how they should hit on herLGBTQ+ Groups Celebrate 'Rainbow Wave' of Queer Candidate VictoriesGay MAGA Republican George Santos wins House raceTrans YouTuber Nikita Dragun says she was detained with men after arrest2021 Pornhub Year in Review Website: interminglepodcast.com Instagram: @interminglepodcast Email: interminglepodcast@gmail.com
"i'm bi. congrats for forcing an 18 year old to out himself. i think some of you missed the point of the show. bye" After being driven off Twitter following accusations of 'queerbaiting', 18-year-old Heartstopper actor, Kit Connor, returned to the platform last week to make this announcement. His coming out forced us to ask questions about what queerbaiting actually is and if any one of us have a right to know a celebrity's sexuality (hint...we don't). It's a juicy Queer Questions today my friends. Read Kit's original tweet https://twitter.com/kit_connor/status/1587218539236188160 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Madonna aclara su inclinación sexual en TikTok y la tildan de "Queerbaiting". Nuestros expertos del chisme despejaron dudas sobre lo que quiere decir este término.
Happy Monday! Mikalah is coming to us from Vegas, but we are still here! Today we highlight a school for queer kids, the founders join us to share what they hope to accomplish! Also, If you ask a higher up at work for advice over coffee, who picks up the tab? Special guests: Thea Canby and Nicole Gustafson - The Founders of Our Resilient Community
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Stu joins Brad and Vince to examine Serena's impact on tennis and to discuss the reason why Steph isn't the face of the NBA. Plus, we look at the debate of Harry Styles's supposed queerbaiting.
Catch the latest episode of The QueerCentric with panelists Lara Estaris and Matt Schwenk! We talk privilege, the concept of queerbaiting, schools fighting to erase queer students, broadway and MORE!
On a new TAGS LIVE, Host Steve V. and Co-host Kodi Maurice Doggette are back for a full hour of hot gay sex topics and more! Seemingly good news regarding Monkeypox, Bad Bunny is NOT Queerbaiting! Super Heroes can and continue to come out as queer, Non-consensual touching of an Only Fans star, Undressing with your eyes, top Rimming tips, can you over obsess with working out for our moods? Our obsession with our bodies and looks, Thirst Trap Thursday! Follow us on IG: @tagspodcastFollow Kodi @kmdcoaching for Life Coaching ServicesFollow Kodi @mistahmauriceGet 10% Off your First Month of Online Therapy! Visit BetterHelp.com/tagsWanna drop a weekly or one time tip to TAGSPODCAST - Show your love for the show and support TAGS!Visit our website: tagspodcast.comNeeds some advice for a sex or relationship conundrum? Ask TAGS! DM US ON IG or https://www.talkaboutgaysex.com/contactSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/talk-about-gay-sex-tagspodcast/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
u ready for a jam pack episode! this week we have a full roster of things to talk about like Baga social, Beyonce party, Megan the stallion joins marvel, Double dose she hulk?Saucy santana vmas perfomance , Lizzo vs. Aries spears , Bad Bunny kisses background dancer. Harry Styles , Megan and Caresha. Are celebrities queer baiting? , Onlyfans couple killers? , Monkeypox hoax ,Chris Rock makes distasteful joke about Nicole Simpson. Is comedian culture over ? the spilled milk team also wants to announce that demi has a new radio show coming out on stationhead so make sure u download n get ready for ohshxdemi the radio show https://share.stationhead.com/64Wc4hZxlEI
Ana, Perry y Alex conversan sobre algunos casos recientes en dónde se acusa de queerbaiting. Aquí desmenuzamos el término y sus implicaciones socioculturales.
We try to figure out if Harry Styles is who he appears to be…but not before we go into the Kardashians media empire, Sesame Street, and Pride!
It's not just “Harry's House” anymore - it's Harry's world - and we're living in it. In a brand new interview with Rolling Stone, singer Harry Styles is getting candid about life as a ridiculously famous person. Like how he tries to balance his private and public life, how he has to warn partners about dating him, and about how he's being accused of “queerbaiting” as a way to further his career. But here's the question: Just because Harry Styles is ridiculously famous, is it fair for us to expect him to lay out his entire life on the line for the world to see?Listen ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App. Support us by supporting our sponsors!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
What is queerbaiting and why is it so contentious? Anney and Samantha discuss the highly debated term, some of the most prominent examples, the potential perils of shipping and fandom in this classic episode. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
The term 'queerbaiting' has evolved from meaning entrapment to marketing ploy to drawing "queer audiences into a piece of media that has no intention of actually meaningfully exploring queerness" says Leigh Pfeffer, host and producer of the podcast History Is Gay. Leigh tracks where the word's various incarnations came from, and why it should not be confused with 'queer coding'. This episode contains some swears. Find out more information about the topics in this episode at theallusionist.org/queerbaiting, plus a transcript and the full dictionary entry for the randomly selected word. And come to see the new live show Your Name Here in Australia and New Zealand! Ticket links are at theallusionist.org/events, and everyone gets a special Allusionist pencil. Each! You don't even have to share the same pencil! Sign up to be a patron at patreon.com/allusionist and not only are you supporting an independent podcast, you get patron-exclusive video livestreams and a Discord community full of language chat, crafts, pet pics and word games. The Allusionist's online home is theallusionist.org. Stay in touch at twitter.com/allusionistshow, facebook.com/allusionistshow and instagram.com/allusionistshow. The Allusionist is produced by me, Helen Zaltzman. The music is by Martin Austwick. Hear Martin's own songs via palebirdmusic.com. Our ad partner is Multitude. To sponsor the show, contact them at multitude.productions/ads. This episode is sponsored by: • Bombas, whose mission is to make the comfiest clothes ever, and match every item sold with an equal item donated. Go to bombas.com/allusionist to get 20% off your first purchase. • BetterHelp, online therapy with licensed professional counsellors. Allusionist listeners get 10% off your first month at betterhelp.com/allusionist. • Squarespace, your one-stop shop for building and running a sleek website. Go to squarespace.com/allusionist for a free 2-week trial, and get 10 percent off your first purchase of a website or domain with the code allusionist. Support the show: http://patreon.com/allusionist See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
It's a new week, a new episode and a new Prime Minister! In this episode the Brenda's catch up on some Aussie politics, reminisce on the humble tinsel wig, lust over Harry Styles and delve into the topic of queer baiting. Plus, we follow the yellow brick road to our first Camp Classic: Mommie Dearest! CREDITS Hosts: Courtney Act and Vanity Lead Senior Producer/Editor: Hannah Bowman Managing Producer: Andrew Brentnall Producer: Chae Rogan LINKS Brenda, Call Me! Music Video https://bit.ly/2Nzlsya Courtney Act's Instagram @CourtneyAct Vanity's Instagram @wigsbyvanity Nova Podcast's Instagram @novapodcastsofficial Find more great podcasts like this at novapodcasts.com.au See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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