Podcasts about what will it take

On this episode of The CGA Tour, host Calvin Glen Alexander is joined by GoPokes.com and 247Sports writer McClain Baxley to dive into the optimism surrounding Oklahoma State athletics. From the renewed energy in the Cowboys football program to the rebuilding excitement on the basketball court, Calvin and McClain break down what fans can look forward to, key storylines heading into the season, and what it will take for OSU to rise back to prominence in both sports. Whether you're all in on Cowboy football or hoping for a basketball bounce-back, this is a must-listen for any Pokes fan.

O Death, where is Your Pod? (CT) … GUEST A. Trevor Sutton … pastor, author, speaker, & professor … author of several books, including “Redeeming Technology: A Christian Approach to Healthy Digital Habits” The Plateau is Real … GUEST Dr Ryan P Burge … assistant prof of political science at Eastern Illinois Univ … author of “20 Myths about Religion and Politics in America,””The Nones: Where They Came From, Who They Are, and Where They Are Going,” and co-author of “The Great Dechurching: Who’s Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back?”… His newest book is “The American Religious Landscape: Facts, Trends & the Future” … substack: Graphs About Religion and he tweets at @ryanburgeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

O Death, where is Your Pod? (CT) … GUEST A. Trevor Sutton … pastor, author, speaker, & professor … author of several books, including “Redeeming Technology: A Christian Approach to Healthy Digital Habits” The Plateau is Real … GUEST Dr Ryan P Burge … assistant prof of political science at Eastern Illinois Univ … author of “20 Myths about Religion and Politics in America,””The Nones: Where They Came From, Who They Are, and Where They Are Going,” and co-author of “The Great Dechurching: Who’s Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back?”… His newest book is “The American Religious Landscape: Facts, Trends & the Future” … substack: Graphs About Religion and he tweets at @ryanburgeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What Will It Take to Make Housing Affordable in East Tennessee Again? With rising prices and high demand, affordability in East Tennessee's housing market feels out of reach for many buyers. In this episode of Real Estate with Ryan, Ryan Coleman breaks down the key factors impacting home prices and explores solutions that could make owning a home a reality again. Whether you're a first-time buyer or looking to invest, you won't want to miss these expert insights! Tune in to Real Estate with Ryan every Saturday at 11 AM on Talk Radio 92.3 / AM 760 WETR and 1 PM on News Talk 98.7. Ready to make your move? Call Ryan Coleman at 865-693-SOLD (7653) or visit www.ryancoleman.org today! Ryan Coleman Founder/Broker/CEO Hometown Realty LLC Voted Best of Knoxville 2017-2023 Proud Sponsor of the VOLS Dave Ramsey Top ELP

Christianity’s Decline appears to have Halted (NYT)… GUEST Dr Ryan P Burge … assistant prof of political science at Eastern Illinois Univ … author of “20 Myths about Religion and Politics in America,””The Nones: Where They Came From, Who They Are, and Where They Are Going,” and co-author of “The Great Dechurching: Who’s Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back?”… His newest book is “The American Religious Landscape: Facts, Trends & the Future” … substack: Graphs About Religion and he tweets at @ryanburge Severance and Pop Culture Visions of Hell… GUEST Brett McCracken … senior editor & director of communications at The Gospel Coalition … author of “The Wisdom Pyramid: Feeding your soul in a post truth world” - and - “Uncomfortable: the akward and essential challenge of Christian community”See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Christianity’s Decline appears to have Halted (NYT)… GUEST Dr Ryan P Burge … assistant prof of political science at Eastern Illinois Univ … author of “20 Myths about Religion and Politics in America,””The Nones: Where They Came From, Who They Are, and Where They Are Going,” and co-author of “The Great Dechurching: Who’s Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back?”… His newest book is “The American Religious Landscape: Facts, Trends & the Future” … substack: Graphs About Religion and he tweets at @ryanburge Severance and Pop Culture Visions of Hell… GUEST Brett McCracken … senior editor & director of communications at The Gospel Coalition … author of “The Wisdom Pyramid: Feeding your soul in a post truth world” - and - “Uncomfortable: the akward and essential challenge of Christian community”See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Les Américains quittent l'Église en grand nombre. Ils sont 40 millions à s'être désaffiliés de leur pratique religieuse depuis 25 ans! Mais ils le font pour une variété de raisons. Cet ouvrage est un effort concerté de pasteurs et analystes politiques pour comprendre les différentes facettes de ce bouleversement. Dans ce balado, vous apprendrez, par exemple, que plus un croyant est éduqué, plus il aura tendance à demeurer pratiquant, contrairement à ce qu'on pourrait croire.Nos épisodes de lecture marquante servent à mettre en valeur un livre pertinent, qui n'est souvent pas disponible en français, ou qui mérite d'être revisité.Titre original : The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back?Soyez au courant de ce qui se passe au Pub Socratique, en vous abonnant à notre infolettre! C'est le moyen qu'on privilégie pour communiquer. Par ici : https://convergencequebec.com/pub-socratique/ (bouton S'abonner)

In this episode, we kick off a series featuring talks from our Launch 25 gathering in Melbourne. We begin with Dave Lawton, sharing how God led him and Colleen from observing movements in India to being called to see the same happen in the Western world. Be inspired as we pray together: God—do it here! Observing Movements in India Dave recounts how he and Colleen witnessed movements sparking in India. They saw firsthand how catalytic leaders helped movements emerge—one example being a group of young Hindu men who, through simple obedience to Jesus, saw demons cast out and lives transformed. The Call to the West Just as movements were exploding in India, God called the Lawtons back to Australia. Though they longed to return to where they saw God moving, His answer was clear: No. “Just as North India was once called the ‘graveyard of missions,' today we see the Western church in decline—a graveyard that can become a fruitful vineyard.” “What God is doing over there [in places like India], He wants to do here [in the West].” How Will Movement Happen in the West? Not through big personalities, big budgets, or big buildings. Movement will happen as the Spirit of God comes, empowering ordinary people to obey His Word and step into the harvest. Right now, tens of millions are entering the Kingdom in some of the most challenging places on earth. And God wants to do the same in our Western context. The Story of Joseph from India After Joseph and a group of Indian disciples prayed, God moved powerfully. The result? 50,000 churches planted and thousands of new believers baptised every year. When Dave and the team visited Joseph a few years ago, Joseph asked: “What's the population of Australia? 23 million? You can do that! Go and take Australia!” What's God Doing Across the Planet Today? “Acts has not finished.” God is moving today as He did in Acts 2, and He is calling us to pray and ask for the ‘God difference'—for His Spirit to move and send us out. Our role is to hear His voice and respond with obedience. What Will It Take? Seeing movement isn't about theory—it requires real surrender. It will take: 1. Passionate, obedient, ordinary disciples willing to lay down their lives and go. 2. Breaking traditional structures so the gospel can multiply freely. The Tide Is Turning Last year, as we prayed, God spoke: “The tide is turning.” And now, we are beginning to see it—not just through us, but around us. When the tide turns, all the boats rise. But this shift will shake us. It will bring resistance, even persecution. “We have to go through what those in places like India have gone through.” Prayer (from John 20:21-22) “Jesus, when You walk into the room, we hand over the keys. We step aside and let You take charge. We don't have what it takes—we need You to move, just as You did with Your disciples. Make us into passionate, multiplying people, ready to be sent by You. Let us feel Your breath on our face and hear You whisper, ‘As the Father sent Me, I send you. Now go!'” Listen in and be stirred to pray, God—do it here!

Relying on God, Not America: A Report from the Church in Ukraine (TGC)… GUEST Sarah Eekhoff Zylstra… senior writer and faith-&-work editor for The Gospel Coalition … also coauthor of “Gospelbound: Living with Resolute Hope in an Anxious Age” and editor of “Social Sanity in an Insta World” Christianity’s Decline appears to have Halted (NYT))… GUEST Dr Ryan P Burge … assistant prof of political science at Eastern Illinois Univ … author of “20 Myths about Religion and Politics in America,””The Nones: Where They Came From, Who They Are, and Where They Are Going,” and co-author of “The Great Dechurching: Who’s Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back?”… His research appears on his substack called Graphs About Religion and he tweets at @ryanburge . On Losing my Granddaughter… GUEST Dorothy Little Greco ... writer & photographer who lives outside Boston ... The author of "Making Marriage Beautiful," and most recently, “Marriage in the Middle: Embracing Midlife Surprises, Challenges & Joys” … Dorothy & her husband lead marriage workshops/retreats, speak at conferences nationwide. A Bit of Earth: A year in the garden with God… GUEST Andrea Burke … director of women’s ministry at Grace Road Church.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Relying on God, Not America: A Report from the Church in Ukraine (TGC)… GUEST Sarah Eekhoff Zylstra… senior writer and faith-&-work editor for The Gospel Coalition … also coauthor of “Gospelbound: Living with Resolute Hope in an Anxious Age” and editor of “Social Sanity in an Insta World” Christianity’s Decline appears to have Halted (NYT))… GUEST Dr Ryan P Burge … assistant prof of political science at Eastern Illinois Univ … author of “20 Myths about Religion and Politics in America,””The Nones: Where They Came From, Who They Are, and Where They Are Going,” and co-author of “The Great Dechurching: Who’s Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back?”… His research appears on his substack called Graphs About Religion and he tweets at @ryanburge . On Losing my Granddaughter… GUEST Dorothy Little Greco ... writer & photographer who lives outside Boston ... The author of "Making Marriage Beautiful," and most recently, “Marriage in the Middle: Embracing Midlife Surprises, Challenges & Joys” … Dorothy & her husband lead marriage workshops/retreats, speak at conferences nationwide. A Bit of Earth: A year in the garden with God… GUEST Andrea Burke … director of women’s ministry at Grace Road Church.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

•Dr. Lisa Bellamy returns with “What Will It Take Radio Edit”, which she ministered recently at the 2024 SPIN Awards as a special guest artist. •Lisa creates a sweet atmosphere of praise and truly offers us pure worship. Lisa is a songwriter, motivational speaker who earned a doctoral degree in EdD, Educational Leadership & Management and enjoys teaching and worship. Lisa is dedicated to reaching souls globally for Christ and stands firmly in her calling to share her music with every soul who has a desire and heart to listen. •Lisa released her WHAT WILL IT TAKE EP in 2021 and re- released the single this Fall because it speaks to the times we are in right now. She is grateful for the support nationally for the project, Lisa's new single asks a critical question. “What Will It Take” for us to remember that we need each other like family to survive? She delivers a powerful message, shaped by a distinct rhythm and spirit that keeps you moving but leaves your soul feeling lighter and refreshed. S o n g s l i k e “ J o y ” h e r N e w G o s p e l S k a t e s o n g o r “ Share The Light“ was written by Bellamy and produced by Lisa, her husband William Fluker, Tim Johnson, and Roger Knupp, who are a part of the dynamic production team.  •2022- Won CT Holla Back Best Gospel Song of The Year; 2023- Rhythm of Gospel Alternative Christian Artist of the Year; 2024- Gospel Choice Gospel Jazz Artist of the Year •Dr. Lisa Bellamy Fluker is ready to use her music and educational gifts to go from city to city to share the Joy of The Lord in song and teaching. •What Will It Take Radio Edit is available on all digital outlets. •Please send Let's Talk: Gospel Music Gold an email sharing your thoughts about this show segment also if you have any suggestions of future guests you would like to hear on the show. Send the email to ⁠⁠letstalk2gmg@gmail.com⁠⁠ •You may Subscribe to be alerted when the newest episode is published. Subscribe on Spotify and we will know you are a regular listener. All 4 Seasons of guests are still live; check out some other Podcast Episodes •LET'S TALK: GOSPEL MUSIC GOLD RADIO SHOW AIRS EVERY SATURDAY 9:00 AM CST / 10:00 AM EST ON WMRM-DB INTERNET RADIO STATION  AND WJRG RADIO INTERNET RADIO STATION 12:00 PM EST / 11:00 AM CST •Both the Podcast and Radio shows are heard anywhere in the World on the Internet! •BOOK RELEASE! •Legacy of James C. Chambers And his Contributions to Gospel Music History •Available for purchase on Amazon.com

WHAT WILL IT TAKE? (CHANGES) - ACT 16:22-34Pastor Randy LightbourneGet ready to be encouraged. Pastor Randy Lightbourne is a modern Saul to Paul minister !He is a native-born Bermudian. You are about to hear a real Word from God by Pastor Randy. Hear the passion and the plea to receive Jesus as Savior and Lord before it is too late. You will be challenged and blessed. Blessings Abound!

Meagan Kohler is a Latter-day Saint convert and has a double BA in Philosophy and French from Brigham Young University. She writes for the Latter-day Saint Voices column at Deseret News, but her main (and favorite) gig is taking care of her husband and four boys. Meagan has served as a secretary in the Relief Society, Young Women, and Primary, and has taught both Sunday School and Relief Society. Links The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? "The case for ‘low-production' church" There is already a discussion started about this podcast. Share your thoughts. Transcript coming soon Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights Coming soon The Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill and many more in over 700 episodes. Discover podcasts, articles, virtual conferences, and live events related to callings such as the bishopric, Relief Society, elders quorum, Primary, youth leadership, stake leadership, ward mission, ward council, young adults, ministering, and teaching.

In this introductory episode of our special election series, host Marianne Schnall shares how her young daughter's question, “Why haven't we ever had a woman president?” led to Schnall interviewing some of today's most respected voices on women's leadership for her 2013 book What Will It Take to Make a Woman President? Now, with Kamala Harris' run making the themes around electing a woman president more timely than ever, listen to insights from Anita Hill (10:19), Gloria Steinem (11:32), Congresswoman Barbara Lee (8:45), and New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof (9:40) on the importance of having more representation and diversity, Kirsten Gillibrand (12:22) and Cecile Richards (13:00) on protecting women's rights, Nancy Pelosi (22:41) and President Jimmy Carter (6:42) on the need for more women in Washington, and many other voices and topics. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

After ten months of fighting in the Gaza Strip, Israel and Hamas could be close to a cease-fire deal. As of Monday afternoon, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said that Israel had agreed to a cease-fire proposal. Hamas had yet to officially respond. If an eventual deal is achieved… the question becomes: How could the Gaza Strip rebuild? On today's Big Take podcast, Bloomberg reporters Fares Alghoul, Fadwa Hodali, and Dan Williams take stock of the international cooperation — and money — it would take to reconstruct Gaza and how the future leadership of the Strip could complicate this already monumental task. Read more: Gaza Reduced to 42 Million Tonnes of Rubble. What Will It Take to Rebuild?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Since the start of the Israel-Hamas war, 70% of Gaza's housing has been damaged, crucial infrastructure like schools and hospitals have been destroyed, and millions of Palestinians have been displaced. We'll get into the logistical and economic challenge of reconstructing the Gaza Strip. And, we’ll explain why certain proposals coming out of the Harris campaign may be popular with voters but not so popular with economists. Plus, we’ll play a round of Half Full/Half Empty! Here’s everything we talked about today: “Economically Dumb, Politically Smart” from The Atlantic “First-name basis: Harris is leaning into ‘Kamala'” from Politico “Gaza Reduced to 42 Million Tonnes of Rubble. What Will It Take to Rebuild?” from Bloomberg “Los Angeles wants a ‘no-car' Olympics in 2028. Is it possible?” from The Guardian “Both Harris and Trump want to eliminate federal taxes on tips” from Marketplace “Indonesia prepares to change its capital city and challenges await” from Marketplace “On the train from LA to Portland, Amtrak’s ride-or-dies make the case for passenger rail” from Marketplace “Increasing use of AI in job resumes is a mixed blessing” from Marketplace Our Oct. 25 live show in Boston is sold out, but livestream tickets are now available! Grab your ticket here.

Since the start of the Israel-Hamas war, 70% of Gaza's housing has been damaged, crucial infrastructure like schools and hospitals have been destroyed, and millions of Palestinians have been displaced. We'll get into the logistical and economic challenge of reconstructing the Gaza Strip. And, we’ll explain why certain proposals coming out of the Harris campaign may be popular with voters but not so popular with economists. Plus, we’ll play a round of Half Full/Half Empty! Here’s everything we talked about today: “Economically Dumb, Politically Smart” from The Atlantic “First-name basis: Harris is leaning into ‘Kamala'” from Politico “Gaza Reduced to 42 Million Tonnes of Rubble. What Will It Take to Rebuild?” from Bloomberg “Los Angeles wants a ‘no-car' Olympics in 2028. Is it possible?” from The Guardian “Both Harris and Trump want to eliminate federal taxes on tips” from Marketplace “Indonesia prepares to change its capital city and challenges await” from Marketplace “On the train from LA to Portland, Amtrak’s ride-or-dies make the case for passenger rail” from Marketplace “Increasing use of AI in job resumes is a mixed blessing” from Marketplace Our Oct. 25 live show in Boston is sold out, but livestream tickets are now available! Grab your ticket here.

Since the start of the Israel-Hamas war, 70% of Gaza's housing has been damaged, crucial infrastructure like schools and hospitals have been destroyed, and millions of Palestinians have been displaced. We'll get into the logistical and economic challenge of reconstructing the Gaza Strip. And, we’ll explain why certain proposals coming out of the Harris campaign may be popular with voters but not so popular with economists. Plus, we’ll play a round of Half Full/Half Empty! Here’s everything we talked about today: “Economically Dumb, Politically Smart” from The Atlantic “First-name basis: Harris is leaning into ‘Kamala'” from Politico “Gaza Reduced to 42 Million Tonnes of Rubble. What Will It Take to Rebuild?” from Bloomberg “Los Angeles wants a ‘no-car' Olympics in 2028. Is it possible?” from The Guardian “Both Harris and Trump want to eliminate federal taxes on tips” from Marketplace “Indonesia prepares to change its capital city and challenges await” from Marketplace “On the train from LA to Portland, Amtrak’s ride-or-dies make the case for passenger rail” from Marketplace “Increasing use of AI in job resumes is a mixed blessing” from Marketplace Our Oct. 25 live show in Boston is sold out, but livestream tickets are now available! Grab your ticket here.

A God-First Life: Week 1 - Abundant Life SERMON NOTES: Bible Reading: John 10:1-16 Shocking Statistics Gallop Poll 2021: In 2021, more Americans did not belong to a house of worship than those that did. “U.S. Church Membership Falls Below Majority for First Time,” 2021 The Great Dechurching: There are 40 million people in the United States today that used to attend church and no longer do. “The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back?” by Jim Davis and Michael Graham with Ryan Burge, 2023 Key Ideas If we want to address this, the greatest challenge of the Church in our lifetime, we must be crystal clear on our motivation. Do we believe that being a part of the Church is important for people's lives? Do we believe that Jesus is important for people's lives? If so… why? The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly. – John 10:10 Following Jesus isn't just about heaven someday it is about life, now, about the life God created you to live.   III. A God-First Life includes: Beloved identity - not an “if” identity. Deep Purpose - we are part of something bigger than ourselves Abundant Time - not a scarcity of time or a life of busyness Joyful Community – the antidote to the epidemic of loneliness and despair Questions & Tools Questions: What is one practical thing you can change in your life right now that will help keep God first? (bible? Prayer? Chalk wall bible verse?) What is Jesus asking you to move into 2nd place so he can be first? Practical Tools: Ask yourself: “Have you prayed today?” A simple saying that reminds us to keep God in our focus A practice that helps us notice God's presence and work around us Ask someone: “How can I be praying for you?” This simple question communicates big things. It says: I care about you enough to keep you on my mind and in my heart It invites them space to open up and share more about whatever is going on in their life It shares you are a person who prays in a gentle, respectful way It creates an opportunity to reconnect later and deepen the relationship

July 21, 2024 - John 10 - Pastor Josh A God-First Life: Week 1 - Abundant Life SERMON NOTES: Bible Reading: John 10:1-16 Shocking Statistics Gallop Poll 2021: In 2021, more Americans did not belong to a house of worship than those that did. U.S. Church Membership Falls Below Majority for First Time, 2021 The Great Dechurching: There are 40 million people in the United States today that used to attend church and no longer do. The Great Dechurching: Whos Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? by Jim Davis and Michael Graham with Ryan Burge, 2023 Key Ideas If we want to address this, the greatest challenge of the Church in our lifetime, we must be crystal clear on our motivation. Do we believe that being a part of the Church is important for peoples lives? Do we believe that Jesus is important for peoples lives? If so why? The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly. John 10:10 Following Jesus isnt just about heaven someday it is about life, now, about the life God created you to live. III. A God-First Life includes: Beloved identity - not an if identity. Deep Purpose - we are part of something bigger than ourselves Abundant Time - not a scarcity of time or a life of busyness Joyful Community the antidote to the epidemic of loneliness and despair Questions Tools Questions: What is one practical thing you can change in your life right now that will help keep God first? (bible? Prayer? Chalk wall bible verse?) What is Jesus asking you to move into 2nd place so he can be first? Practical Tools: Ask yourself: Have you prayed today? A simple saying that reminds us to keep God in our focus A practice that helps us notice Gods presence and work around us Ask someone: How can I be praying for you? This simple question communicates big things. It says: I care about you enough to keep you on my mind and in my heart It invites them space to open up and share more about whatever is going on in their life It shares you are a person who prays in a gentle, respectful way It creates an opportunity to reconnect later and deepen the relationship

Host Curtis Chang invites Dr. Mark Turman, Executive Director of Denison Forum and Vice President of Denison Ministries, to join him in examining the unique challenges faced by pastors in the American evangelical tradition. Both former pastors themselves, Curtis and Mark unpack the actual and perceived struggles that have made so many pastors contemplate leaving their roles. They also champion a missional mindset that can change the way pastors do gospel work and practical advice for congregants who want to support their spiritual leaders.   Donate to Redeeming Babel HERE   Bring The After Party course to your church or small group!    Order The After Party Book by Curtis Chang & Nancy French   Check out Dr. Turman's Denison Forum work   Resources mentioned in this episode:   The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? by Jim Davis & Michael Graham   Barna Group Research: 7-Year Trends - Pastors Feel More Loneliness & Less Support   Barna Group Research: Pastors' Credibility Is in Question—Even Among Pastors  

We can't go back to the church environments we grew up with, we can only go forward. So what would a healthy modern reformation and a Great Rechurching look like? Rather than wallowing in pessimism and longing to return to the church of yesteryear, Michael Horton, Bob Hiller, Justin Holcomb, and Walter Strickland discuss how the church today can reform and be marked by orthodoxy, love, and resilient joy. CHECK OUT THIS MONTH'S OFFERS: The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? by Jim Davis and Michael Graham, with Ryan P. Burge. Become a Partner to support the work of White Horse Inn as we apply the riches of the Reformation to the modern church. Subscribe to Modern Reformation magazine. Our March/April issue is “The Head & the Heart,” where we feature essays, poems, and articles about how the Bible does not separate the “rational” mind and the “emotive” heart; rather, “In the Bible, the intellect, will, and emotions are all capacities that belong to the whole, integrated person.” For more information, visit us at whitehorseinn.org or email us at info@whitehorseinn.org Featuring: Michael Horton, Bob Hiller, Walter Strickland, and Justin Holcomb

If you go to church, do you know why you attend? Do you know why your friends and family have casually just stopped going to church? How can we talk about the necessity of the church in a way that is beautiful and life-giving, but goes beyond personal preference? In this episode, Michael Horton, Justin Holcomb, Walter Strickland, and Bob Hiller answer these questions and more as they discuss how Christians can reach out to their dechurched friends, family, and neighbors. “When asked how willing they would be to go back to church, 51 percent said they are either somewhat willing or very willing—51 percent! Unsurprisingly, the reasons they would come back also represent a longing to belong. These dechurched evangelicals said they would come back if they made new friends (28%), if they move and want to make new friends (18%), if they became lonely and want to make new friends (20%), if their children want to go (16%), if their spouse wants to go (18%), if a friend invites them (17%), if there is a good pastor (18%), if they find a good community (17%), if they miss their church community (20%), or if they just find a church they like (14%). This group's high orthodoxy scores also inform other reasons they would come back: if they feel the distance from God (20%) or if God tells them to go back in some significant way (18%). The main takeaway here is that many dechurched evangelicals simply need a friend to invite them to church.” - The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? by Jim Davis and Michael Graham, with Ryan P. Burge, p. 28. CHECK OUT THIS MONTH'S OFFERS: The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? by Jim Davis and Michael Graham, with Ryan P. Burge. Become a Partner to support the work of White Horse Inn as we apply the riches of the Reformation to the modern church. Subscribe to Modern Reformation magazine. Our March/April issue is “The Head & the Heart,” where we feature essays, poems, and articles about how the Bible does not separate the “rational” mind and the “emotive” heart; rather, “In the Bible, the intellect, will, and emotions are all capacities that belong to the whole, integrated person.” For more information, visit us at whitehorseinn.org or email us at info@whitehorseinn.org Featuring: Michael Horton, Bob Hiller, Walter Strickland, and Justin Holcomb

In this first episode of this series, "Believe," Jeff and Laura sit down with Michael Graham, Program Director for the Keller Center for Cultural Apologetics. Mike unpacks the findings of his latest book, The Great Dechurching: Who’s Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? In it, he looks at the different profiles of Americans who are leaving or have already left the church. Their conversation sets up this series as we look at what it means to believe in the Christian faith, with a great reminder that belief is something we hold to, but it is also God holding on to us. Listen to this and more episodes on our Digging Deeper podcast, available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts and other podcast streaming platforms. Timestamps to help you follow along: (3:18) What is dechurching and who is doing it and why did you choose that title? (4:56) Who is leaving the Church? Four profiles of who is leaving evangelical churches: (5:32) Cultural Christians (6:05) Mainstream Evangelicals (7:44) “Ex”vangelicals (10:15) Black & Indigenous Persons of Color (BIPOC) (12:04) How can you relate to each profile? (13:41) What do you mean when you refer to the dechurching issue in America as a discipleship issue? (17:26) What did you learn with the large group of people who just need an invitation? Additional Resources: - Get Michael’s book, The Great Dechurching: Who’s Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? - For more on this topic, check out The Gospel Coalition’s As in Heaven podcast - Subscribe to our YouTube channel and hit the notification bell to get notified of new episodes.

What happened in American culture and in the church from the 1970s-1990s? What were the conversations and big concerns of that time when White Horse Inn recorded its first episodes? In answering some of these questions, churches can get their bearings as to what trends have impacted those who no longer sit in their pews and what to do about it. “The early 1990s was an inflection point for American religion. Between the early 1970s and 1990s, the share of Americans who had no religious affiliation had only risen two points. But from that point forward, the nones would grow by a percentage point or two nearly every year through the following three decades.” - Ryan Burge, “‘OK Millennial': Don't Blame the Boomers for Decline of Religious America” Michael Horton, Bob Hiller, Walter Strickland, and Justin Holcomb discuss how modern historical events and trends have impacted church attendance today and how to respond. CHECK OUT THIS MONTH'S OFFERS: The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? by Jim Davis and Michael Graham, with Ryan P. Burge. Become a Partner to support the work of White Horse Inn as we apply the riches of the Reformation to the modern church. Subscribe to Modern Reformation magazine. Our March/April issue is “The Head & the Heart,” where we feature essays, poems, and articles about how the Bible does not separate the “rational” mind and the “emotive” heart; rather, “In the Bible, the intellect, will, and emotions are all capacities that belong to the whole, integrated person.” For more information, visit us at whitehorseinn.org or email us at info@whitehorseinn.org Featuring: Michael Horton, Bob Hiller, Walter Strickland, and Justin Holcomb

We are experiencing the largest and fastest religious shift in North American history. It is faster than the First and Second Great Awakenings and revivals combined, but in the opposite direction. It wouldn't be a stretch to assume that everyone listening to this episode either has people in their lives who have left the church in recent years or you've left the church yourself. Jim Davis, co-author of The Great Dechurching, chats with Matt about the findings of their major research project that spawned the book, who's leaving, why they're going, and what it will take to bring them back. The findings and opportunities are more hopeful than you'd think!ABOUT Jim Davis (MDiv, Reformed Theological Seminary) is teaching pastor at Orlando Grace Church (Acts 29), and a Council member of The Gospel Coalition. He is the host of the As In Heaven podcast and coauthor with Michael Graham of The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? (Zondervan, August 2023). He and his wife, Angela, speak for Family Life's Weekend to Remember marriage getaways.

Justin Holcomb interviews Jim Davis and Michael Graham, authors of The Great Dechurching, to discuss why forty million Americans have stopped attending church in the past 25 years. Many attribute church decline to encroaching secular trends, abuse in the church, or spiritual deconstruction. While all of these trends have spiked in recent years, Davis and Graham, with the help of Ryan Burge, reveal that these factors are not the primary causes for the erosion of church attendance and share what the church can do to turn back those estranged from her. CHECK OUT THIS MONTH'S OFFERS: The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? by Jim Davis and Michael Graham, with Ryan P. Burge. Become a Partner to support the work of White Horse Inn as we apply the riches of the Reformation to the modern church. Subscribe to Modern Reformation magazine. Our March/April issue is “The Head & the Heart,” where we feature essays, poems, and articles about how the Bible does not separate the “rational” mind and the “emotive” heart; rather, “In the Bible, the intellect, will, and emotions are all capacities that belong to the whole, integrated person.” For more information, visit us at whitehorseinn.org or email us at info@whitehorseinn.org Featuring: Justin Holcomb, Michael Graham and Jim Davis

Leighann never set out to learn so much about deconstruction but when her own daughter began the tumultuous journey, she was motivated to dig deep in hopes of reconnecting with her. On this episode (that completes our series on deconstruction), Leighann's daughter, Selah Standish share her candid response to Leighann's previous 3 episodes. Selah and Leighann are starting a new podcast together where they will go much deeper into this conversation. The are calling their new podcast, Love works! HARD!! Stay tuned for the premier of this podcast soon. The book Leighann mentions in this podcast is The Great Dechurching, Who's leaving, Why are They Going? and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back?

Leighann never set out to learn so much about deconstruction but when her own daughter began the tumultuous journey, she was motivated to dig deep in hopes of reconnecting with her. On this episode (that completes our series on deconstruction), Leighann's daughter, Selah Standish share her candid response to Leighann's previous 3 episodes. Selah and Leighann are starting a new podcast together where they will go much deeper into this conversation. The are calling their new podcast, Love works! HARD!! Stay tuned for the premier of this podcast soon. The book Leighann mentions in this podcast is ⁠⁠The Great Dechurching, Who's leaving, Why are They Going? and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back?

Leighann never set out to learn so much about deconstruction but when her own daughter began the tumultuous journey, she was motivated to dig deep in hopes of reconnecting with her. On this episode (that completes our series on deconstruction), Leighann's daughter, Selah Standish share her candid response to Leighann's previous 3 episodes. Selah and Leighann are starting a new podcast together where they will go much deeper into this conversation. The are calling their new podcast, Love works! HARD!! Stay tuned for the premier of this podcast soon. The book Leighann mentions in this podcast is ⁠The Great Dechurching, Who's leaving, Why are They Going? and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back?

Did you know that about 15% of all Americans have dechurched? Dechurching can be defined by individuals who used to attend church once a month, but now attend only once a year. Host Joseph Backholm is joined by Michael Graham, co-author of “The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? to discuss this phenomenon that currently 40 million Americans are a part of. Michael walks through the four main groups of evangelicals who have walked away from the church and the surprising number of people who would come back if invited. Learn more about the cultural forces impacting this movement and give this episode a listen now! Resources ⁠The Great Dechurching: Who’s Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back?⁠ Read ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Washington Stand⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, featuring news and commentary from a biblical worldview. Published by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Family Research Council⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

Did you know that about 15% of all Americans have dechurched? Dechurching can be defined by individuals who used to attend church once a month, but now attend only once a year. Host Joseph Backholm is joined by Michael Graham, co-author of “The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? to discuss this phenomenon that currently 40 million Americans are a part of. Michael walks through the four main groups of evangelicals who have walked away from the church and the surprising number of people who would come back if invited. Learn more about the cultural forces impacting this movement and give this episode a listen now! Resources The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? Read ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Washington Stand⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, featuring news and commentary from a biblical worldview. Published by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Family Research Council⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

Did you know that about 15% of all Americans have dechurched? Dechurching can be defined by individuals who used to attend church once a month, but now attend only once a year. Host Joseph Backholm is joined by Michael Graham, co-author of “The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? to discuss this phenomenon that currently 40 million Americans are a part of. Michael walks through the four main groups of evangelicals who have walked away from the church and the surprising number of people who would come back if invited. Learn more about the cultural forces impacting this movement and give this episode a listen now! Resources ⁠The Great Dechurching: Who’s Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back?⁠ Read ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Washington Stand⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, featuring news and commentary from a biblical worldview. Published by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Family Research Council⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

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Jim Davis, pastor and co-author of the recent book, The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back, is back on the podcast to speak with Tim and Rick about some of the reasons why people are leaving churches. They talk about the role incivility, poor communication, “clustering,” and online habits play in the process of dechurching. They also reflect on the Apostle Paul's teaching on the body life of the Church and consider whether there are areas in contemporary church life and education that ought to be reconsidered.Show notes and a full transcript are available.

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Guest Bios Show Transcript America is experiencing the largest and fastest religious shift in its history—greater than the First and the Second Great Awakening and every revival in the U.S. combined. But instead of a massive shift into the church, what we're seeing is a mass exodus. In this edition of The Roys Report, you'll hear from Michael Graham, co-author of The Great DeChurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back. Based on the most comprehensive study of people leaving the church in America, the book gives keen insights into this phenomenon. You'll learn why people are leaving the church, which demographic groups are leaving in the greatest numbers, and what can be done to stop the bleed. And the results may surprise followers of this podcast. Though much of our reporting focuses on corruption and abuse in the church, these issues were not the greatest factors people cited for leaving. The reasons cited were much more mundane than you might think. We are living in a unique moment—what research says is the greatest “dechurching” in nearly 250 years of this nation. This exodus doesn't just affect society or public expressions of faith; it impacts family relationships and how people relate to each other. Tune in for a highly informative conversation that examines the state of the church and why restoring her matters. Guests Michael Graham Michael Graham is program director for The Keller Center for Cultural Apologetics. He is also the executive producer and writer of As In Heaven and co-author of The Great Dechurching. He received his MDiv at Reformed Theological Seminary in Orlando. He is a member at Orlando Grace Church. He is married to Sara, and they have two kids Show Transcript SPEAKERSMICHAEL GRAHAM, Julie Roys Julie Roys  00:04America is experiencing the largest and fastest religious shift in its history greater than the first and the second Great Awakening and every revival in the US combined. But instead of a massive shift into the church, what we’re seeing is a mass exodus, and the greatest de churching in nearly 250 years. Welcome to The Roys Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. I’m Julie Roys, and on this podcast you’ll hear from Michael Grant, co- author of the new book The Great Dechurching. Based on the most comprehensive study of people leaving the church in America, the book gives keen insights into this phenomenon. You’ll learn why people are leaving the church, which demographics are leaving in the greatest numbers, and what can be done to stop the bleed. And the results may surprise followers of this podcast. Though much of our reporting focuses on corruption and abuse in the church, these issues were not the greatest factors people cited for leaving. The reasons were much more mundane than you might think. And we’ll dig into those in just a minute.   Julie Roys  01:05 But first, I’d like to thank the sponsors of this podcast, Judson University, and Marquardt of Barrington. If you’re looking for a top-ranked Christian University, providing a caring community and an excellent college experience, Judson University is for you. Judson is located on 90 acres, just 40 miles west of Chicago in Elgin, Illinois. The school offers more than 60 majors, great leadership opportunities and strong financial aid. Plus, you can take classes online as well as in person. Judson University is shaping lives that shaped the world. For more information, just go to JUDSONU.EDU. Also, if you’re looking for a quality new or used car, I highly recommend my friends at Marquardt of Barrington. Marquardt is a Buick GMC dealership where you can expect honesty, integrity, and transparency. That’s because the owners there Dan and Kurt Marquardt are men of integrity. To check them out just go to BUYACAR123.COM.   Julie Roys  02:09 Well, again, joining me is Michael Grant, Program Director at the Keller Center for Cultural apologetics. He’s also the executive producer and writer for the As In Heaven podcast. And he’s also a member at Orlando Grace Church where Jim Davis, who’s the co-author for his latest book, The Great Dechurching. He is also a teaching pastor. So, Michael, welcome. It’s a pleasure to have you join me.   MICHAEL GRAHAM  02:31 So good to be here with you, Julie.   Julie Roys  02:32 So, Michael, your book is based on an extensive study that sought to prove or disprove this thesis that America’s in the middle of the largest and greatest religious shift in its history. And what you discovered is pretty sobering. Would you tell me about that?   MICHAEL GRAHAM  02:47 Yeah. So, I mean, the Cliff’s Notes version is that 40 million adult Americans have left houses of worship, across all religious traditions. And by and large, almost all of that has occurred in the last 30 years. So, from the moment of Nirvana’s Smells Like Teen Spirit to today, 40 million people have gone from, you know, the various pews of all religious traditions. Now, most of those are out of what you’d call Christian traditions, about 15 million of that out of evangelical traditions, and then about another 20 million out of Roman Catholic and mainline traditions, the other traditions are a lot smaller. So, we weren’t really sure what we would be looking at in terms of why there were two prevailing storylines, depending on what your kind of media diet looked like. If your media diet looked a little bit left leaning, then the story was basically that people had been leaving houses of worship primarily because of mistakes made by those institutions themselves. So, this would be things like racism, misogyny, abuse, political syncretism, clergy scandal. If your media diet leaned a little bit to the right, the prevailing story was basically a story of secularism, or sexual revolution, progressivism, people are leaving houses of worship, because they’re no longer worshipping the Triune God, they’re worshipping some other, you know, forms of non-Christian things. The reality is that you can find several million people who would fit both that first story or that second story. However, most of the people might have elements of either of those two stories in there, but most of them left for really, really boring reasons. So, the challenge is like not necessarily saying that story A or story B is wrong. There’s actually a story C that is not as interesting. That’s also there and is kind of  the water that we’re all kind of in is the number one reason why people you know, left houses of worship, and stop going on at least a monthly basis. So that’s how we defined the charging somebody who used to go to church, or house of worship at least monthly, consistently, and now less than once per year. So even if you go to church on Christmas Eve, or Christmas, or Easter or Christmas and Easter, we still counted you in our study as being churched. So, if you think the 40 million number sounds scary, you know, if you take all the Christmas and Easter people out.   Julie Roys  05:32 That is like a really, really low bar.   MICHAEL GRAHAM  05:35 There’s many, many more people. But basically, the number one reason I moved, right after that is, attendance was inconvenient. After that is some kind of marriage, divorce, new child, or some other significant family change. After you kind of get past some of those reasons, you start to get into some of the reasons where people experience some more pain or some more friction, either at the individual level, or at the institutional level. But it really kind of looks like of the 40 million people who left, 30 million left, what we called casually, and about 10 million left as casualties. And so, 10 million people is a lot of people, okay, I don’t want to downplay at all the people who have significant church hurt at the individual, institutional or both levels. But there’s also just kind of 30 million people where it just kind of looks like, okay, well, just the inertia of American life and their rhythms and habits just kind of had them floating on.   MICHAEL GRAHAM  06:45 Now, the interesting thing about really, across the board, both the people who left casually and unintentionally, as well as the people who left as casualties and left highly intentionally, most of them are willing to return today to a house of worship of some sort. Some of them were willing to go back to exactly what they left and some of them are not willing to go back to exactly what they left, but willing to go to something that we would all consider as being part of the historic Christian tradition.   Julie Roys  07:18 Yeah, I was surprised when I read it, how many people just dropped out because well, even COVID. Like, they just got out of the habit. And I guess we’re seeing that. I mean, I know that’s a phenomenon. But it’s stunning in some ways that something that you would expect to be so central to a person’s life, that they would give it up just because it’s inconvenient, or they get out of the habit of going. And yet, maybe that speaks to where the spiritual state before that happened. But that was surprising, I thought finding of the study.   Julie Roys  07:48 I thought too just thinking through what’s at stake, which you do kind of in that first section relationally, what’s happening, you know, between parents and their kids, and you had this one line which struck me because I’m over 50. And it says, anecdotally, we know, of almost no parents over the age of 50, who don’t have at least one child who is dechurched. And I’ve got three kids. I guess I read that, and I just was very grateful, because none of my kids are dechurched. But I mean, certainly, wow, we felt like we have been in a war for their soul at different times within their lives. And just, by the grace of God, I think, have seen them embrace faith. But there are a lot of things in here that remind me of the situation that we’re in. I mean, this between parents and their children. And of course, I have so many friends, I mean, that are just beautiful parents and probably did a 10 times better job than I did. And they’re dealing with just such heartache over their kids leaving their faith leaving the church. But even you know, it’s culturally how fractured we are mentally. I mean, talk about some of these impacts on who we are as communities and as Americans that are really going to be impacted as we see this begin to play out.   MICHAEL GRAHAM  09:15 Let’s start at the purely secular level. Why would I care about this if even I was an atheist or agnostic or a nothing in particular? The first thing I would say is you should care about this phenomenon, because it’s going to at least sociologically reorder many aspects of American culture and society. How many different trends can you think about that impact one in six adult Americans? There aren’t many. And so, the implications of this will have implications in terms of politics and political voting groups. It will have an impact on the social safety net in our country. There are certain studies that have shown that as much as 40% of  America’s social safety net, the social safety net being the kinds of things that are there for people, when they’re, at their hardest or most challenging moments, that 40% of the social safety net in this country is basically coming from religious nonprofits. And so, when you see one in six adult Americans, you know, opt out of those kinds of ties, thicker ties, and local ties to local religious institutions, that’s going to have an impact for sure, on the social safety net. And I don’t think that that’s in the interest of either common good or human flourishing.   MICHAEL GRAHAM  10:41 We estimate in the book that that’s probably about $25 billion that just exited out of the religious nonprofit world. I mean, you’re talking about $1.4 trillion dollars, in terms of the total income of the people who have disconnected from local churches. A lot of implications for institutions, certainly, you’re going to see churches and houses of worship that are going to struggle, perhaps even close. You’ll have others where the trend of decline will continue. And that will put additional strain on those institutions. There will probably be consolidation that takes place that’s there. But if you’re listening to this, and maybe you yourself are dechurched, is it’s like, what, I miss you, okay? Because I go to church, and if you’re not there, I’m worse off because of your absence. At the local church level, it’s like, well, dechurching is impoverishing our churches, because you have all these people who are amazing image bearers, and then who liked I want to know, and love and experience. And I think about like the 59 one another's in the New Testament. At least over half of those require, we have to be embodied in order to even get to do those things. And so, I’m just worse off when there’s people who aren’t there anymore, and they’re missed. And so, and then zooming all the way down to, like, the familial level, there’s tremendous pain and hurt there. We’re not talking about just a number on a spreadsheet, you’re talking about real people’s lives, and real things in their story, and real pains, and real hard sometimes. Sometimes for very good reasons people disconnect themselves from these things. Anybody familiar with you and your ministry,  knows these stories, and they know them well.. And so, I think on that front, there’s just tremendous things at stake. What’s the Thanksgiving or the Christmas dinner table look like? And what pieces of sadness are there?, or these places where people land different from their family members in terms of how they process really big conversations. Those can be really hard and lonely and isolating things when you find yourself in a very different place.   MICHAEL GRAHAM  13:25 But you know, one of the things that we advocate in the book is a posture of quiet, calm curiosity for everybody. You can only find yourself in that, in that place of being quiet, calm, and curious with other people, when you have a sense of security in yourself. And I think that security is best found when we’re confident in our identity as image bearers made in the image of God, redeemed by the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and confident of our future, our eschatological future in the kingdom of God. And so, when we have that, that gives us the freedom to not feel like we need to be defensive, we can just listen to other people and hear what they have to say and believe people when they’re telling us about the wins and losses, particularly the wins and losses and their experiences with people who claim Christ or institutions that claim to be Christian. And so, I think there’s a lot of implications for these things. There’s just a lot that’s at stake. I think that there’s much work to be done, both on the individual front, and there’s a lot of work to be done on the institutional front.   Julie Roys  14:43 How we lead as institutions, I think, is probably an area that energizes me because I have found so much dysfunction within those institutions. And I did like that you said, we don’t have to go back to the church we left and I’m in a house church now, I love it. And I find myself questioning a lot of the stuff that I just took on face value. I was having discussion recently, I’m like, I don’t know, like preaching is that really the best way for us to study the Bible? We get together and we open the Bible, and we study it together. And I found that incredibly rich, richer than a lot of times when I have somebody giving me basically a lecture for 30 or 40 minutes on their opinion of what it says. And I find it just much richer to go right in and dig in ourselves. So, I find myself at least among the people that I’m in contact with, are all asking these questions. What is it really have to offer look like? I am just in contact with so many people where it hasn’t felt safe. And so, I just have such a degree of empathy for those who have trouble and I say, even my own children, I watched them try to find a church. And it is unbelievably hard, unbelievably, and that just breaks my heart because I feel like so many of the vibrant churches that I knew when I was their age, don’t exist anymore, or they’ve been just the ministries that I think of that were so vibrant on campuses, and so forth just aren’t there. And so, we do have an unbelievable amount of work to do. And I thought it was interesting, you also found, like, when we’re talking about leaving the church, like, who’s dechurching?, this isn’t any particular group. This like everybody across the board, right?   MICHAEL GRAHAM  16:27 It’s unilateral across the board,. In certain places, it’s maybe a little bit more prominent or pronounced than others. And the timing of which various different groupings may have kind of floated on looks different. But by and large, yeah  there’s no group that’s immune.   Julie Roys  16:48 Well, let’s dig into some of the groups because that’s what I do find really fascinating, but also, I think, really educational, because if we’re going to be relating to these folks in hopefully a winsome way, it’s helpful to know who they are. And I think there are some misconceptions of who they are. So, you basically found there’s five groups of dechurched individuals, cultural Christians, dechurched mainstream evangelicalism, exvangelicals, dechurched, BIPOC. So Black, Indigenous and People of Color, and dechurched mainline Protestants. Let’s dig into each one of those groups. Let’s start with the cultural Christians who, I’m guessing these are the people that grew up went to church on Christmas and Easter, and maybe a few times in between, but basically a little bit of church background, but not really a saving faith, probably.   MICHAEL GRAHAM  17:46 Yeah, so every one of those groups we mentioned had one thing in common, they all went to a house of worship, at least consistently on a monthly basis, but now less than once per year. So, the culture in terms of size, the 15 million people who left evangelical traditions, and that’s the first four profiles that you just read off: cultural Christians, dechurched mainstream evangelicals, exvangelical, and then the BIPOC dechurched. The cultural Christians are about eight of those 15 million people. And then the next three groups are between two and two and a half million each. So, the cultural Christians, they look like people who are upwardly mobile, who did not have a deep understanding of the gospel, or the Bible, and the inertia of just their rhythms and habits basically has them out of the habit of going to church anymore. They’ve been gone from church for about 12 years now. They’re in their early 40s, on average. They’re overwhelmingly white, 98% white, and they’re doing well from an education and income standpoint. Interestingly enough, about half of them are willing to return to an evangelical church today. The top reasons why they left attendance was inconvenient, their friends weren’t worshiping at church anymore, they moved. More casual reasons than casualty and painful and the reasons why they said that they wouldn’t be willing to return were largely things that were relational in nature; new friends, lonely and want to make new friends, they miss church, a friend invites them, a spouse wants to go, they move and want to make new friends in a good community. So those were the reasons why about 4 million of them were willing to return to an evangelical church right now.   Julie Roys  19:36 Throughout these profiles, you often talk about their relationship to their parents, because again, they were brought up a certain way and obviously they’re doing life differently now than their parents did. And there were a couple things with their parents, one turned off by their parents commitment to culture wars and refusal to listen. And then the second  one, they’re not seeing the fruit of the Spirit in their parents. It’s tough to hear that. I think it’s a reminder that you know, as parents wow, I mean, what a responsibility. I’m curious if those relationships, and I don’t know how much you dug into it, but do they just remain fractured?   MICHAEL GRAHAM  20:21 We don’t know yet. The hard scientist in me would say we need to ask the same people the same question years later. And to drill down to get at the heart of those things. Probably in the three-to-five-year timeframe, we want to ask a lot of the same questions and see what looks similar, see what looks different. The stuff with the parents is really hard. And  it’s challenging, and it’s sad. I don’t know if it’s necessarily surprising. Obviously, for most of us, that’s one of the most formative relationships, if not the most formative relationship, at least in certain times of our life. And so, I think, also the last decade, in American public life, and I think particularly with the advent of social media, and the ways in which social media, you know, you have the like button, I think that was introduced, I want to say in 2009. Every platform has their dopamine-inducing reward structure for creating content that some people find interesting. The challenging thing about all of that is now, when you have a reward mechanism built into social platforms, people are more self-revelatory than what they would have been before. And so, I think, in terms of public communication and discourse, there is the freedom for people to communicate more about their perspectives than probably what there was before this dynamic of American public life existed. And so, I don’t think that’s necessarily all good or all bad. It’s just, there are implications that are downstream from that. And now, it’s where everybody is at, is far more clear than what it was 10 plus years ago. And there’s going to be implications from that, particularly as people have divergent perspectives, and sometimes strongly divergent perspectives. And again, all of these things are algorithmically incentivized. And in some ways, the stronger you feel about those things, sometimes that reward mechanism rewards you even further. And so, I think over time, there aren’t many impulses that are there baked into these things that create people finding as much common ground. And oftentimes, our digital interactions become power over persuasion.   MICHAEL GRAHAM  22:56 And so those are challenging dynamics. And what do you do if your parents are behaving poorly on the internet, and are getting cheered on from those things? You can flip that script in the other way, as well. So those things are going to have implications at the dinner table. And I’m sure that many people have experienced some challenges during looking back at their Thanksgiving and their Christmas. And I think that some of these things are just downstream from these particular dynamics of how technology has inserted itself into our lives and revealed things about people that we loved that have maybe changed our perspectives about how we view them and have altered maybe the amount of relational intimacy that we feel comfortable with. Those are hard and sad things.   Julie Roys  23:44 And one thing I found really interesting about this group, I mean, obviously, there’s the family fracture, well, that’s going to leave you more lonely, maybe depressed. But then there’s the relational fracture, like most of us, I mean, I know for me, my closest friends are my church friends, right? And without that community people are, and you even found, like more depressed, higher anxiety, I mean, all those things. And so, the reverse then, is that, and we often think, how do we invite people back to the church?, and I thought it was insightful that you’re like, these people need a dinner-table invite. In other words, they’re looking for a relationship, right? That’s most likely what’s going to bring them back to the church.   MICHAEL GRAHAM  24:26 What we talked about in the book is there’s three levels of relationship that different broadly speaking profiles probably need. The second profile that you’ve mentioned, the dechurched mainstream evangelicals, these folks left on average about three or four years ago. They’re about the same age as that first group, early 40s. But this group is whereas the cultural Christians only 1% of them said that Jesus is the Son of God, 98% of this second group said Jesus is the Son of God.. These people have a very deep understanding of the Gospel, the Bible, and the kinds of things that you want to see from Nicene-creed level of Christianity. And 100% of that group are willing to return to an evangelical church today.   MICHAEL GRAHAM  25:08 And so, the three levels of kind of relational need that’s there, that group really they just need a nudge. A nudge is something like a text, a phone call a water cooler moment, talking out on the porch, or in the cul de sac, hey, I got this really cool thing going on at church, or I’m speaking up this thing, or I think you’d really like our pastor, would you be willing to come to church with me? Let’s go grab lunch after at such and such place, that’s a nudge. I think when there is more pain, or church hurt, or these different kinds of things. And this should be obvious, when you think about it, it’s just people need the kind of intimacy that occurs around breaking bread together in a home at the dinner table. Literally, or figuratively and metaphorically, I think that when people need to be able to have an avenue, when there’s either interpersonal or institutional or both friction, then they need to be able to have a place that is where they can experience somebody who’s going to be willing to quietly, calmly and with curiosity, engage them in their story in a way that they would want to be treated. So, we have a third category of people who are just, they’re probably just never going to return to a house of worship.   Julie Roys  26:26 The exvangelicals. No?   MICHAEL GRAHAM  26:28 The exvangelicals are done with the evangelical expression of the faith. Okay. 79% of them were willing to return to some form of Christian tradition. That was something that was very surprising.   Julie Roys  26:44 So just 100%, they will not go back to the church they came from, which may be a good thing, in a lot of ways.   MICHAEL GRAHAM  26:51 Well, I mean, certainly there are many different institutions I could think of where it  would be very unhealthy to return to. So, and that’s the good news about all of this stuff, you don’t have to return to what you left if there was something unhealthy. I always think about these things in terms of truth, goodness, and beauty. Well, what’s a healthy church? Where you can see the truth of the gospel, the goodness of the gospel, and the beauty of the gospel, all in the same place.   Julie Roys  27:21 The exvangelicals, I just want to camp there just a little bit, because these are folks that I mean, honestly, I have a lot of empathy for  and understanding. I mean, they’ve been through some things that were pretty toxic in the church. In fact, you found they scored 74% higher on experiencing a lack of love from their congregation than the other four groups combined. And that’s heartbreaking, like the place where you should most experience love, they experience a complete lack of love. And I’d be curious how many of them come from a fundamentalist background as well because I mean, there just seems to be a correlation there between just a rigid adherence to rules and so forth, and even the culture wars and all of that, and just a lack of caring for the soul and caring for the human being, whether they agree with you or not. But these folks, where they look for answers; talk about that a little bit.   MICHAEL GRAHAM  28:26 We ended up calling this group exvangelicals because none of them are willing to return to an evangelical church. But what was really surprising was that 79% of them said that Jesus is the Son of God, and they had the second highest view of the Bible, as well as Nicene Creed-level Christianity. And so that would be things like the Trinity, the seamlessness of Jesus, these kinds of things. But what was interesting is this group was overwhelmingly female, two thirds female. And they were middle aged, average age 53. And they left a little bit after 9/11, on average, in terms of the bell curve. And what does seem to be occurring there is they had the lowest income and the lowest education of any of the groups, and their relationship towards institutions in general, was very strained. And so that was really interesting to see. It’s not just that the church isn’t working for this particular group, particularly the evangelical church. But American institutions in general aren’t working well for this group. Much lower rates of marriage, much higher rates of divorce, the rates of depression, anxiety, loneliness, and suicidal thoughts were also elevated across the board, but particularly suicidal thoughts were very bad. I think I made a note of this in the book, describe how you’re doing with respect to suicidal thoughts. And we’re basically 100 is I have no suicidal thoughts; everything is rainbows and Skittles. And where zero is deeply, deeply struggling with suicidal thoughts, the average score among this group of people, the exvangelical group, was 16. I just started crying, these are real people. And there’s several thousand people that we surveyed here. Are some of these people no longer with us?, is some of these people? So, I don’t know, given the number of people we surveyed probably. So,  I’m looking at that., and it just can’t not impact you at a deep level, when you have any measure of empathy to think, oh, my gosh, these are image bearers. And this is a group of people that are clearly there’s a lot of pain that’s here. And there’s a lot of things that just aren’t working. And I don’t know how many institutions there are, depending on where you’re located, and how many options you have. I think many people might have to go a long distance to find a place where they’d find a church that would have that kind of empathy and understanding, given whatever is there in the story.   Julie Roys  31:07 Well, it becomes almost cyclical, because if you’re divorced, I mean, I hear this from so many of my divorced friends, that you go into a church and you feel judged right away, or you feel like you don’t fit in, and so it can become very self-perpetuating, makes it very hard to go to any place. So, wow, let’s move to the dechurched/BIPOC because this one was surprising to me, too. I was not expecting the profile that you found of this group. So, describe the black indigenous persons of color who have dropped out of their church. What kind of person are we talking about here?   MICHAEL GRAHAM  31:43 Yeah, so this group was fascinating too. Over two thirds of this group was male. Yeah. And the average age there was early 50s. And this group on average left in the late 1990s. Okay. Now, something that’s really fascinating, when the machine learning algorithm that we used to sort the dataset into these different profiles, we didn’t let it see ethnicity or race in the dataset, and sort based on that. Now, what’s interesting, though, is that you have profiles like cultural Christians that are 98% white, and you have profiles like this one that are 0% white. And note, so while race is a biological fiction, it is a sociological reality. And so, you can see that race and ethnicity has a significant impact in terms of the ways that you’re experiencing America and American institutions, and it has an influence on those things. So that was interesting. Another thing that was interesting was that this group, and you’re talking two to two and a half million people, had the highest income and the highest education of any of the different groups. Now, bear in mind, this is a group of people who aren’t white, who probably largely willfully chose to connect themselves to evangelical institutions, which we all know trend from a sociological and demographic standpoint, most evangelical churches trend in the Anglo direction of things. And so, it wouldn’t be wise to take the particular perspectives of this particular group and assume that everybody who’s BIPOC in America would share the same perspectives: very high incomes, very high education, head and shoulders above any of the other groups. And the cultural Christians are the next to that. And the BIPOC groups just stands head and shoulders above them.   Julie Roys  33:39 So, this is a group that generally, I mean, those that have dropped out, at least the profile you gave was of somebody who’s BIPOC that lives in a pretty white space. And so, I mean, I’m looking at that thinking, Is it easier to disconnect from that church community? Because the black church is such a cohesive community that, I mean, almost, it’s so strong in the community. I think it is even stronger than most white churches. Is it easier to disconnect from church once you kind of moved out of that space? And then you’re in really, almost an alien space in some ways.   MICHAEL GRAHAM  34:26 Yeah. In terms of black Protestantism, the black churches in American US history, have played more of a role in the local community life than say their predominantly Anglo counterparts. And I think a lot of that has to do with the amount of pressure that was placed on those communities over time. The BIPOC group was 76% African American and 13% Latino. So, when you combine the predominantly male with predominantly African American means over half of this group was extremely upwardly mobile black men. So, you’re talking to at least a million black men of the 15 million people who left evangelical churches. The most pain in church hurt comes from the exvangelical group and the BIPOC group. By far, the exvangelical group, they’re all the church casualties. The BIPOC group is a mixture of casual and casualty. The dechurched, mainstream evangelicals are all casual. And then most of the cultural Christians you’d characterize as casual.   Julie Roys  35:35 The last group we don’t have much time to spend on because I do want to talk a little bit about some of the messages and the things that we need to say to all five of these groups. But the dechurched, mainline Protestants and Catholics, not a lot of surprises there I thought. That they’re really concerned about the church doing some good when maybe the church they grew up in and I know the profile, you get profiles for all these different groups, but the profile was a man who grew up Catholic and the clergy sex scandal just rocked his world because it impacted his brother. And those people are kind of done with church if it doesn’t make a difference in a positive way for the community, right?   MICHAEL GRAHAM  36:16 Yeah. And in the dechurching that occurred among mainline and Roman Catholic occurred earlier than the dechurching that we’re seeing among evangelicals. Dechurching among mainline Protestants is more starting in the mid-80s. and extending into the late 90s. And then you can kind of shift that up about five years, for those who are leaving Roman Catholicism from the early 90s to like early aughts. And then you know, dechurching among evangelicals kind of looks like the Apple stock chart, just a little bit later, going hockey stick.   Julie Roys  36:54 Yeah. Well, the last segment of your book does talk about those who had dechurched from evangelical churches, how we might be able to bring them back. And, you know, I really appreciated that you talked about not just beliefs, because that’s what we hear so much about. In fact, when you were talking in the beginning you’re saying, you know, we think of people who don’t believe in the Bible anymore, don’t believe in God. And that’s not what we’re finding, by and large with a lot of these groups. But where we’re not looking is the sense of belonging and the behavior. So, would you talk just a little bit about that? and why this is important?   MICHAEL GRAHAM  37:30 Yeah. In sociology of religion, Jim and I learned from our conversations with Ryan, that they have these three categories of belief, behavior and belonging. I think in the 20th century, most of the ways in which we communicated the gospel to people was belief centric. And when you look at like, apologetic literature from that century, most of it is focusing on, oh, the claims of the Bible, or the claims of Jesus, or the Gospels are true. And it’s okay, that’s good. But I think the kinds of questions that we’ve seen more frequently, in the last decade or two, have been questions about whether is Jesus good? Or Is he beautiful? And what does that mean for me in terms of how I relate to other people and to community? And so those are more of belonging-type questions than truth questions. And so, I think that it is important for us that we be building healthier institutions. And like I said before, we want to have churches that emphasize the truth of the gospel, the goodness of the gospel, and the beauty of the gospel. Is the Jesus way a path towards to human flourishing to me?, will I find people who treat me with the fruit of the Spirit, with love, joy, patience, peace,  all of these kinds of things? The good news about all of that is those are things that are within our control. We can walk and keep in step with the Spirit. And we can bring the kinds of change needed at the institutional level, to try to really bring our churches in line and instep with the Holy Spirit and inline and in step with what God has revealed in his word. And as we do those things, we can be building beautiful places for people. Will those things ever be perfect or whatever? No. But I think that impulse to be always reforming. It needs to be there. And we need to be willing to have hard conversations with ourselves calmly. But we need to be willing to hold up mirrors to ourselves and ask ourselves, How can we do better?   Julie Roys  39:48 A question that you asked in the book that I think is powerful, is does your church operate more like an event or a family? And I have found it just in so many churches, it is an event where you can come, and you can go, and nobody even knows you. And it’s no wonder if that’s what people think of the church that they’re leaving. So, if there’s not that family component, yeah, they’re just not going to stay. I think it was interesting, too, that you found that online church is basically a back door. Like people might go there for a while. But if they’re not connecting relationally, which how can you, you're a virtual church?, they ended up leaving, and I thought, on the behavior side, where you talked about that the church talk about hypocrisy, if they don’t see our beliefs and our actions lining up, they’re not going to stay. And so, we can only touch the surface, really, in a podcast, but the book, I would just highly, highly recommend. There’s so many good things in there, I think, instructive for us, and how we can do better how we can reach out, but how we need to be something different, I think, before we can even invite people to what we have, because if we’re not really functioning healthy as a church, then we can’t invite people to it. But before you go, I just want to give you an opportunity to any last thoughts that you’d like to say, to those, and especially those right now who are listening, who, they’re still dechurched, they’ve had it.   MICHAEL GRAHAM  41:21 What I want to say is that, regardless of how people, humans, and human institutions have hurt and harmed or failed you, I have never been hurt or harmed by Jesus. And I continue to fall more in love with just the goodness of his gospel. And look, I’ve been before, in my current role I’ve been a pastor for some 15 years. And I should probably be dechurched based on the things that I’ve seen over the years. There’s nothing that’s in the book, aside from the parental pain, I don’t have that there. But pretty much any other category that you can talk about, I’ve seen it, and I should be at risk. But I just know at the end of the day, if anybody else had the words of life, I would go and I would go there, but nobody else has the words of life but Christ, and he has died for his church. Is she a mess? Yeah. Is some of her parts way more messed up than others? Yes. Some to a fatal extent? Yes. Should there be some institutions that don’t exist? Yes. However, and sometimes for certain people, it’s going to be more proximate than others. But there are still good places where you can find that, where the body of Christ functions like a family. So, I’d encourage you to go back to God’s Word and look at all those one another's that are there in the text and find a place where you see those one another’s embodied, and where you can see that the truth, goodness, and beauty of the gospel all in one place. There’s just such tremendous hope in Jesus. It is the treasure in a field that is worth selling, metaphorically speaking, all that you have to go and pursue. Only Christ as the words of life. And only in Him can we find redemption, and the hope of a future where re-creation is happening, and redemption is happening as far as the curse is found.   Julie Roys  43:46 So good. And I think what we’re finding is that people are open to Jesus. It’s just the church. So, I do pray. I know for me; I feel just extraordinarily grateful that I found a body of believers and it’s been a lifeline for me. So, I just pray for that for other people. But I thank you, Michael, for helping us understand these different groups of people and also understanding what maybe we’re doing wrong that we can fix. Appreciate that, love your book. So, thank you again, so much for taking the time.   MICHAEL GRAHAM  44:17 Thank you, Julie. Appreciate it.   Julie Roys  44:19 And thanks so much for listening to The Roys Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. I’m Julie Roys. And just a quick reminder, if you’d like a copy of Michael’s book, The Great Dechurching, we’d be happy to send you one for gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month. Again, we don’t have any large donors or advertising we simply have you the people who care about reporting the truth and restoring the church. So, if you’d like to support our work and get The Great Dechurching, just go to JULIEROYS.COM/DONATE. Also, just a quick reminder to subscribe to The Roys Report on Apple podcasts, Google podcasts or Spotify. That way you’ll never miss an episode. And while you’re at it, I’d really appreciate it if you’d help us spread the word about the podcast by leaving a review. And then please share the podcast on social media so more people can hear about this great content. Again, thanks for joining me today. Hope you are blessed and encouraged.   Read more

Garza sits down in-person with Juan Brujo. Vocalist of Mexician deathgrind band BRUJERIA. https://linktr.ee/brujeriaofficial SPONSORS: Click this link to purchase from Sweetwater & help support the podcast: imp.i114863.net/rnrmVB CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Creativity 01:16 - Singing About MJ 06:10 - Dealing with Bootlegging 09:28 - Starting Brujería, Making Metal for Spanish Speaking Audience 12:30 - Meaning of Brujería  13:33 - Meeting Dino Cazares, Bonding Over Napalm Death 16:17 - Recording 1st Brujería Singles, Having Instant Fans 21:41 - Writing a Full Album in 3 Days 23:48 - Creating the Legend & Mystery of the Band 32:32 - Controversial Album Covers 37:00 - Dark Coincidence with True Crime 44:25 - Being in a Band with Dino, Writing Songs 47:30 - Brujerizmo & Getting Nominated for Billboard Music Awards 2001 50:34 - Reflecting on Brujerizmo Album, Working with Dino & Raymond Was Special 54:27 - Brujería Was a Stepping Stone for Big Artists 56:11 - What Will It Take to Work with Dino Again? 59:46 - Being Featured on Ozark on Netflix 1:02:09 - Playing to Packed Crowds in the Early Days  1:06:45 - From Chicago to Los Angeles  1:07:18 - Viral Recruitment Videos, Dealing with Law Enforcement 1:12:18 - Dealing with an LA Governor 1:19:19 - Writing Songs About Trump 1:21:56 - Brujería is Not Afraid to Be Controversial, Inspired by Dead Kennedys 1:25:09 - Everyone Who's Played in Brujería Moves On to Bigger Bands 1:26:50 - Partying with Billy Ray Cyrus & Getting Thrown Out Of Grammy Party by the Governor 1:29:25 - Cancelling Rock al Parque Festival in Colombia  1:32:42 - Not Warming Up for Shows  1:33:46 - More Stories to Come

For our December episode on books we, the CPT staff, have been reading:Aldous Huxley – Brave New World (1932)Johann Hari – Stolen Focus: Why You Can't Pay Attention — and How to Think Deeply Again (2022)Jim Davis and Michael Graham – The Great DeChurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? (2023)P. D. James – The Children of Men (1992)Leif Enger – Peace Like a River (2002)Chaim Potok – The Gift of Asher Lev (1990)Joseph Minich – Bulwarks of Unbelief: Atheism and Divine Absence in a Secular Age (2023)Patrick J. Deneen – Regime Change: Toward a Postliberal Future (2023)Rory Stewart – How Not to Be a Politician: A Memoir (2023)

Glen Scrivener interviews Jim Davis and Michael Graham about their book, 'The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back?'See 321: http://321course.com/Subscribe to the Speak Life YouTube channel for videos which see all of life with Jesus at the centre:youtube.com/SpeakLifeMediaSubscribe to the Reformed Mythologist YouTube channel to explore how the stories we love point to the greatest story of all:youtube.com/@ReformedMythologistDiscord is an online platform where you can interact with the Speak Life team and other Speak Life supporters. There's bonus content, creative/theological discussion and lots of fun. Join our Discord here:speaklife.org.uk/giveContact the show: info@speaklife.org.ukSpeak Life is a UK based charity that resources the church to reach the world.Learn more about us here:speaklife.org.ukSupport the show

“We had this hunch that we could be in the largest and fastest religious shift in the history of our country.” Co-authors Jim Davis and Michael Graham join the podcast to discuss their book, “The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back?” Jim is teaching pastor of Orlando Grace Church and host of the As in Heaven podcast. Michael is the program director for the Keller Center for Cultural Apologetics (https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/thekellercenter/). A book study of “The Great Dechurching” is coming through the NAFWB Growing Together Initiative beginning in January. Find more at https://nafwb.org/grow/. #NAFWB #BetterTogether #TheGreatDechurching #Church #Religion

We are currently experiencing the largest and fastest religious shift in US history. It is greater than the First and Second Great Awakening and every revival in our country combined...but in the opposite direction. On this episode of the FTC Podcast, Jared Wilson chats with Jim Davis and Michael Graham, co-authors of the new book The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back?, about the eye-opening and challenging findings of the first-ever large-scale sociological research study of the American de-churching phenomenon. Maybe your assumptions about why people are leaving the church in massive numbers will be subverted, as well. Davis and Graham provide key insights to the challenge and applicational takeaways for evangelicals and church leaders in rising to the challenge. Find out more info at dechurching.com

“Forty million Americans have stopped attending church in the past 25 years. That's something like 12 percent of the population, and it represents the largest concentrated change in church attendance in American history.” Religious abuse, moral failure of church leaders, and the pressures of culture that lead to deconstruction of faith all contribute to “dechurching.” Surprisingly, research reveals a less apparent reason driving the statistic cited above: a slow drift away from church participation.In this episode, Autumn and Hunter discuss an Atlantic article by Jake Meador that examines this slow drift. Meador suggests a response to waning participation in American churches. He states that churches in our cultural climate must call their people to a more committed, robust, interdependent way of being the body of Christ.Resources mentioned in this episode:"The Misunderstood Reason Millions of Americans Stopped Going to Church" by Jake Meador"The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back?" by Jim Davis, Michael Graham, et al

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Make a one-time or recurring donation on our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Donor Box profile here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Join us in the mission of introducing Reformed Theology across the world! Interested in further study of the Bible? Join us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Logos Bible Software⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Are you interested in a rigorous and Reformed seminary education? Call Westminster Seminary California at 888-480-8474 or visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.wscal.edu⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! Please help support the show on our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠!   WELCOME TO BOOK CLUB! Jim Davis (MDiv., Reformed Theological Seminary) is teaching pastor at Orlando Grace Church (Acts 29). He is the host of the As in Heaven podcast on The Gospel Coalition podcast network and serves as a writer for The Dechurched Initiative. Jim writes frequently for The Gospel Coalition, Acts 29, and Family Life. He and his wife, Angela, speak for Family Life's Weekend to Remember marriage getaways. Michael Graham (MDiv., Reformed Theological Seminary) is Program Director at The Keller Center for Cultural Apologetics. He is also the executive producer and writer for the As In Heaven podcast. He received his MDiv at Reformed Theological Seminary in Orlando. He is a member at Orlando Grace Church. He is married to Sara, and they have two kids. Ryan Burge (PhD., Southern Illinois University) is an associate professor of political science at Eastern Illinois University, where also serves as the graduate coordinator. He has authored over thirty peer-reviewed articles and book chapters alongside four books about religion and politics in the United States. He written for the New York Times, and the Wall Street Journal. He has also appeared in an NBC Documentary, on Full Frontal with Samantha Bee, as well as 60 Minutes which called him, "one of the country's leading data analysts on religion and politics." He has served as a pastor in the American Baptist Church for over twenty years and has been married to his wife Jacqueline for over fifteen years. They have two boys. Find more information on Dechurching in America here: https://dechurching.com/ Find more information about statistical models for Religious affiliation here: https://www.graphsaboutreligion.com/ We want to thank ⁠Zondervan Academic for their help in setting up this interview and providing us with the necessary materials for this interview with Rev. Davis, Rev. Graham, and Dr. Burge!   Purchase the book(s) here: The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Where Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back?   Have Feedback or Questions? Email us at: guiltgracepod@gmail.com Find us on Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠@guiltgracepod⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow us on Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠@guiltgracepod⁠⁠⁠⁠ Find us on YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Guilt Grace Gratitude Podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠ Please rate and subscribe to the podcast on whatever platform you use! Looking for a Reformed Church? ⁠⁠⁠⁠North American Presbyterian & Reformed Churches --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/gggpodcast/support

Jim Davis, pastor and co-author of the recent book, The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back, comes on the podcast to talk about the current and fastest religious shift going on in America. Tim and Rick speak with Jim about a comprehensive study he help conduct looking at people who are leaving churches and the reasons why they are leaving. They discuss characteristics of people who are “dechurching,” including misconceptions on why people are leaving, as well as cultural factors and hinge points which have contributed to this phenomenon. Show notes and a full transcript are available.

Get notes on this podcast here:  https://churchleaders.com/podcast/461251-ryan-burge-biggest-reason-people-leaving-church.html Dr. Ryan Burge joins “The Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast” to share what the data actually shows about why people are leaving church (and not returning) and what church leaders can do to encourage them to come back.  What did you think of Prime Video's “Shiny Happy People”? Alex Harris joined us last week to explain why he appeared in the docuseries, what he sees as its shortcomings, and how church leaders can benefit from watching it. Check out our conversation with him here:  https://churchleaders.com/podcast/460810-alex-harris-shiny-happy-people-serves-church.html  ► Listen on Apple: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-churchleaders-podcast/id988990685 Visit ChurchLeaders Website: https://churchleaders.com Find ChurchLeaders on Facebook: https://facebook.com/churchleaders Follow ChurchLeaders on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/ChurchLead Follow ChurchLeaders on Instagram: https://instagram.com/churchlead/ Follow ChurchLeaders on Pinterest: https://www.pinterest.com/churchleaders/   “20 Myths about Religion and Politics in America” by Dr. Ryan Burge “The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back?” by Michael Graham and Jim Davis with Dr. Ryan Burge “The Nones: Where They Came From, Who They Are, and Where They Are Going” by Dr. Ryan Burge “Religion Has Become a Luxury Good” by Dr. Ryan Burge Check out Ryan's website Follow Ryan on X/Twitter  

We will wrap up our 5-message series in the Letter of Jude this Sunday with a look at the closing doxology; two verses of high-impact vertical focus. As we have considered the contemporary trend around deconstruction of the faith—something many have done leading to a rejection of Jesus and his gospel—we will be encouraged and exhorted to look to Christ alone for the building material necessary to construct or reconstruct a life founded on a faith that endures. Jude's concern has been for a first century local church beset by false teaching; a concern that requires vigilance in our day as false teachers influence us through social media and innocent web searches. We must not let our guard down but rather, as Jude wrote, “contend for the faith.” Series: Deconstructed-Reconstructed (Jude) Todd Dugard Message: 5 – Glorifying the only God and Saviour Harvest Bible Chapel Text: Jude 1:24-25 October 15, 2023 Doxology – a short hymn, song or poem praising God, sung or said as part of a Christian church service.—Cambridge Dictionary δόξα (doxa) (Greek) – a manifestation (revealing) of power characterized by glory which causes wonder, amazement.—L&N 76.13 When I build my life on Jesus, I have…… (v. 24) …present confidence …future hope 1 Peter 1:19 Romans 8:30 2 Corinthians 3:18 Lasting transformation is a spiritual consequence of “beholding the glory of the Lord” (2 Cor. 3:18). That's why we're here: to behold. To set our sights on a higher love. To see who Adam hid from, who the psalmist sang to, who the prophets spoke for, who the disciples walked with, and who Jesus made known. Jackie Hill Perry, Holier Than Thou …and unending joy …because he is… (v. 25) …the only John 14:6 Acts 4:12 …saving …glorious 1 Peter 1:16 …majestic …sovereign Philippians 2:10-11 …authoritative Deconstruction is a shift from the authority of the Bible (absolute truth) to the authority of self. It is a move from a truth-quest to a happiness-quest. Alisa Childers; Frank Turek …and eternal God …worthy of my devotion and praise. RESOURCES Holier Than Thou: How God's Holiness Helps Us Trust Him by Jackie Hill Perry https://a.co/d/hbxvbOj Addressing Deconstruction in the Church: An Interview with Barnabas Piper and Jason Min https://sola.network/article/addressing-deconstruction-in-the-church/ A Diary of Private Prayer by John Baillie https://a.co/d/fxj2qKQ The Valley of Vision - A Collection of Puritan Prayers and Devotions https://a.co/d/0NuDwOI The Prisoner in the Third Cell https://a.co/d/3rrTEfY Doctrine and Obedience Are Friends https://ca.thegospelcoalition.org/columns/straight-paths/doctrine-and-obedience-are-friends/ The Most Dangerous Form of Deconstruction https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2022/february-web-only/russell-moore-deconstruction-faith-church-dangerous-form.html Another Gospel?: A Lifelong Christian Seeks Truth in Response to Progressive Christianity by Alisa Childers and Lee Strobel https://a.co/d/fXuuEaT The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? by Michael Graham https://a.co/d/etjiIIq I Am Restored: How I Lost My Religion but Found My Faith by Lecrae https://a.co/d/7lFqs2H Before You Lose Your Faith: Deconstructing Doubt in the Church https://a.co/d/6r7v4lg Alisa Childers podcasts https://alisachilders.com/podcast/ Cross Examined podcasts https://crossexamined.org/podcasts/ Red Pen Logic https://www.youtube.com/c/RedPenLogic https://www.facebook.com/redpenlogic https://www.instagram.com/redpenlogic/

We will wrap up our 5-message series in the Letter of Jude this Sunday with a look at the closing doxology; two verses of high-impact vertical focus. As we have considered the contemporary trend around deconstruction of the faith—something many have done leading to a rejection of Jesus and his gospel—we will be encouraged and exhorted to look to Christ alone for the building material necessary to construct or reconstruct a life founded on a faith that endures. Jude's concern has been for a first century local church beset by false teaching; a concern that requires vigilance in our day as false teachers influence us through social media and innocent web searches. We must not let our guard down but rather, as Jude wrote, “contend for the faith.” Series: Deconstructed-Reconstructed (Jude) Todd Dugard Message: 5 – Glorifying the only God and Saviour Harvest Bible Chapel Text: Jude 1:24-25 October 15, 2023 Doxology – a short hymn, song or poem praising God, sung or said as part of a Christian church service.—Cambridge Dictionary δόξα (doxa) (Greek) – a manifestation (revealing) of power characterized by glory which causes wonder, amazement.—L&N 76.13 When I build my life on Jesus, I have…… (v. 24) …present confidence …future hope 1 Peter 1:19 Romans 8:30 2 Corinthians 3:18 Lasting transformation is a spiritual consequence of “beholding the glory of the Lord” (2 Cor. 3:18). That's why we're here: to behold. To set our sights on a higher love. To see who Adam hid from, who the psalmist sang to, who the prophets spoke for, who the disciples walked with, and who Jesus made known. Jackie Hill Perry, Holier Than Thou …and unending joy …because he is… (v. 25) …the only John 14:6 Acts 4:12 …saving …glorious 1 Peter 1:16 …majestic …sovereign Philippians 2:10-11 …authoritative Deconstruction is a shift from the authority of the Bible (absolute truth) to the authority of self. It is a move from a truth-quest to a happiness-quest. Alisa Childers; Frank Turek …and eternal God …worthy of my devotion and praise. RESOURCES Holier Than Thou: How God's Holiness Helps Us Trust Him by Jackie Hill Perry https://a.co/d/hbxvbOj Addressing Deconstruction in the Church: An Interview with Barnabas Piper and Jason Min https://sola.network/article/addressing-deconstruction-in-the-church/ A Diary of Private Prayer by John Baillie https://a.co/d/fxj2qKQ The Valley of Vision - A Collection of Puritan Prayers and Devotions https://a.co/d/0NuDwOI The Prisoner in the Third Cell https://a.co/d/3rrTEfY Doctrine and Obedience Are Friends https://ca.thegospelcoalition.org/columns/straight-paths/doctrine-and-obedience-are-friends/ The Most Dangerous Form of Deconstruction https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2022/february-web-only/russell-moore-deconstruction-faith-church-dangerous-form.html Another Gospel?: A Lifelong Christian Seeks Truth in Response to Progressive Christianity by Alisa Childers and Lee Strobel https://a.co/d/fXuuEaT The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? by Michael Graham https://a.co/d/etjiIIq I Am Restored: How I Lost My Religion but Found My Faith by Lecrae https://a.co/d/7lFqs2H Before You Lose Your Faith: Deconstructing Doubt in the Church https://a.co/d/6r7v4lg Alisa Childers podcasts https://alisachilders.com/podcast/ Cross Examined podcasts https://crossexamined.org/podcasts/ Red Pen Logic https://www.youtube.com/c/RedPenLogic https://www.facebook.com/redpenlogic https://www.instagram.com/redpenlogic/

In a wide ranging conversation, founding friend David French takes over the reins for Curtis Chang and discusses the new book, The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? by Jim Davis, Michael Graham, and Ryan Burge. David and coauthor Graham discuss all the reasons for “the great dechurching”  with a particular emphasis on the more surprising results, as well as the difficulty reversing the decline in church attendance.   We want to hear your “Campfire Stories” about living out your good faith! Share your stories with us today.     The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? by Jim Davis, Michael Graham, and Ryan Burge  

Seriously. People think churches should be perfect, never experience conflict, and never split. So naïve. I'll admit that reaching for that ideal is a good thing, but the reality of attempting to do what we're doing in building the church requires a more realistic view of things. Bottom line: Satan doesn't want the church to thrive, and he has many human agents who do his bidding in local churches just like ours. And that's why Jude wrote his letter. In the passage in front of us on Sunday (Jude 1:17-23), he makes the point that it is a given that there will be ungodly people in the church and that they will cause division, and so the faithful Jesus-loving, gospel-centred members must fight it. They'll do that by building up their faith through praying in the Spirit, keeping everyone reminded of God's love, by waiting expectantly for the day Jesus will break through the clouds and end all the nonsense. In the meantime, to keep our focus on what's important, we should be showing compassion to those struggling in their faith. Series: Deconstructed-Reconstructed (Jude) Todd Dugard Message: 4 – Building yourself up in the faith Harvest Bible Chapel Text: Jude 1:17-23 October 1, 2023 Ungodly people in the church will cause division. (v. 17-19) Matthew 7:15 Acts 20:29-30 1 Timothy 4:1-2 Proverbs 6:16-19 Ephesians 4:3 Titus 3:10-11 So, fight it. Build up your faith by… (v. 20a) …praying in the Spirit (v. 20b) …keeping everyone in God's love (v. 21a) 1 John 4:9-10 …waiting for the day (v. 21b) Revelation 21:4 …and showing compassion to those struggling (v. 22-23) RESOURCES A Diary of Private Prayer by John Baillie https://a.co/d/fxj2qKQ The Valley of Vision A Collection of Puritan Prayers and Devotions https://a.co/d/0NuDwOI The Prisoner in the Third Cell https://a.co/d/3rrTEfY Doctrine and Obedience Are Friends https://ca.thegospelcoalition.org/columns/straight-paths/doctrine-and-obedience-are-friends/ The Most Dangerous Form of Deconstruction https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2022/february-web-only/russell-moore-deconstruction-faith-church-dangerous-form.html Another Gospel?: A Lifelong Christian Seeks Truth in Response to Progressive Christianity by Alisa Childers and Lee Strobel https://a.co/d/fXuuEaT The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? by Michael Graham https://a.co/d/etjiIIq I Am Restored: How I Lost My Religion but Found My Faith https://a.co/d/7lFqs2H Before You Lose Your Faith: Deconstructing Doubt in the Church https://a.co/d/6r7v4lg Alisa Childers podcasts https://alisachilders.com/podcast/ Cross Examined podcasts https://crossexamined.org/podcasts/ Red Pen Logic https://www.youtube.com/c/RedPenLogic https://www.facebook.com/redpenlogic https://www.instagram.com/redpenlogic/

Seriously. People think churches should be perfect, never experience conflict, and never split. So naïve. I'll admit that reaching for that ideal is a good thing, but the reality of attempting to do what we're doing in building the church requires a more realistic view of things. Bottom line: Satan doesn't want the church to thrive, and he has many human agents who do his bidding in local churches just like ours. And that's why Jude wrote his letter. In the passage in front of us on Sunday (Jude 1:17-23), he makes the point that it is a given that there will be ungodly people in the church and that they will cause division, and so the faithful Jesus-loving, gospel-centred members must fight it. They'll do that by building up their faith through praying in the Spirit, keeping everyone reminded of God's love, by waiting expectantly for the day Jesus will break through the clouds and end all the nonsense. In the meantime, to keep our focus on what's important, we should be showing compassion to those struggling in their faith. Series: Deconstructed-Reconstructed (Jude) Todd Dugard Message: 4 – Building yourself up in the faith Harvest Bible Chapel Text: Jude 1:17-23 October 1, 2023 Ungodly people in the church will cause division. (v. 17-19) Matthew 7:15 Acts 20:29-30 1 Timothy 4:1-2 Proverbs 6:16-19 Ephesians 4:3 Titus 3:10-11 So, fight it. Build up your faith by… (v. 20a) …praying in the Spirit (v. 20b) …keeping everyone in God's love (v. 21a) 1 John 4:9-10 …waiting for the day (v. 21b) Revelation 21:4 …and showing compassion to those struggling (v. 22-23) RESOURCES A Diary of Private Prayer by John Baillie https://a.co/d/fxj2qKQ The Valley of Vision A Collection of Puritan Prayers and Devotions https://a.co/d/0NuDwOI The Prisoner in the Third Cell https://a.co/d/3rrTEfY Doctrine and Obedience Are Friends https://ca.thegospelcoalition.org/columns/straight-paths/doctrine-and-obedience-are-friends/ The Most Dangerous Form of Deconstruction https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2022/february-web-only/russell-moore-deconstruction-faith-church-dangerous-form.html Another Gospel?: A Lifelong Christian Seeks Truth in Response to Progressive Christianity by Alisa Childers and Lee Strobel https://a.co/d/fXuuEaT The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? by Michael Graham https://a.co/d/etjiIIq I Am Restored: How I Lost My Religion but Found My Faith https://a.co/d/7lFqs2H Before You Lose Your Faith: Deconstructing Doubt in the Church https://a.co/d/6r7v4lg Alisa Childers podcasts https://alisachilders.com/podcast/ Cross Examined podcasts https://crossexamined.org/podcasts/ Red Pen Logic https://www.youtube.com/c/RedPenLogic https://www.facebook.com/redpenlogic https://www.instagram.com/redpenlogic/

A new MP3 sermon from Bemiss Road Baptist Church is now available on SermonAudio with the following details: Title: What Will It Take Subtitle: WZYN Preaching Time Speaker: Clarence Sexton Broadcaster: Bemiss Road Baptist Church Event: Special Meeting Date: 9/25/2023 Length: 54 min.

What Will It Take for Biden to Just Quit?

To be fair, this message isn't only about loud-mouthed boasters. It is also about blasphemers, rebels, the presumptuous, empty-shirts, grumblers, malcontents and all those who are only in it for what they can get out of it. Should be a fun Sunday together. The passage is Jude 1:8-16 and it is a doozy. The outline is five “Don't…” imperatives. And the point of the whole thing is to not be like “certain people” who resist God in a myriad of ways. Jude (and the Holy Spirit) thought it to be something we needed to read all these years later. These people present an existential threat to the local church, and so we'll dive into it together on Sunday. In case you missed it, we are compiling a resource list for this series, Deconstructed-Reconstructed, as we examine this important topic. You can find the list in the sermon notes each week and on social media. Series: Deconstructed-Reconstructed (Jude) Todd Dugard Message: 3 – Loud-mouthed boasters Harvest Bible Chapel Text: Jude 1:8-16 September 24, 2023 Don't be like “certain people” who resist God. Don't presume upon him (v. 8-9) Don't distort his word (v. 10-11) 1 Corinthians 2:14 A Christian who remains stuck with an elementary understanding of doctrine is a Christian who is in danger of abandoning Christ. Darryl Dash Life itself has a way of forcing us to deal with theology—that is, what we believe—sooner or later. The difficult experiences of life raise important questions about God and what he is up to. We especially must be focused in the deeper matters of the faith if we are to withstand the fire of persecution. Those who are shallow theologically manifest that superficiality in the face of strong challenges that oppose continued commitment to Christ. George Guthrie Don't chase after the wind (v. 12-13) Ecclesiastes 2:10-11 Don't rebel against him (v. 14-15) Don't pursue self-interest (v. 16) Philippians 2:3-4 RESOURCES The Prisoner in the Third Cell by Gene Edwards https://a.co/d/3rrTEfY Doctrine and Obedience Are Friends https://ca.thegospelcoalition.org/columns/straight-paths/doctrine-and-obedience-are-friends/ The Most Dangerous Form of Deconstruction https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2022/february-web-only/russell-moore-deconstruction-faith-church-dangerous-form.html Another Gospel?: A Lifelong Christian Seeks Truth in Response to Progressive Christianity by Alisa Childers and Lee Strobel https://a.co/d/fXuuEaT The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? by Michael Graham https://a.co/d/etjiIIq I Am Restored: How I Lost My Religion but Found My Faith https://a.co/d/7lFqs2H Before You Lose Your Faith: Deconstructing Doubt in the Church https://a.co/d/6r7v4lg Alisa Childers podcasts https://alisachilders.com/podcast/ Cross Examined podcasts https://crossexamined.org/podcasts/ Red Pen Logic https://www.youtube.com/c/RedPenLogic https://www.facebook.com/redpenlogic https://www.instagram.com/redpenlogic/

To be fair, this message isn't only about loud-mouthed boasters. It is also about blasphemers, rebels, the presumptuous, empty-shirts, grumblers, malcontents and all those who are only in it for what they can get out of it. Should be a fun Sunday together. The passage is Jude 1:8-16 and it is a doozy. The outline is five “Don't…” imperatives. And the point of the whole thing is to not be like “certain people” who resist God in a myriad of ways. Jude (and the Holy Spirit) thought it to be something we needed to read all these years later. These people present an existential threat to the local church, and so we'll dive into it together on Sunday. In case you missed it, we are compiling a resource list for this series, Deconstructed-Reconstructed, as we examine this important topic. You can find the list in the sermon notes each week and on social media. Series: Deconstructed-Reconstructed (Jude) Todd Dugard Message: 3 – Loud-mouthed boasters Harvest Bible Chapel Text: Jude 1:8-16 September 24, 2023 Don't be like “certain people” who resist God. Don't presume upon him (v. 8-9) Don't distort his word (v. 10-11) 1 Corinthians 2:14 A Christian who remains stuck with an elementary understanding of doctrine is a Christian who is in danger of abandoning Christ. Darryl Dash Life itself has a way of forcing us to deal with theology—that is, what we believe—sooner or later. The difficult experiences of life raise important questions about God and what he is up to. We especially must be focused in the deeper matters of the faith if we are to withstand the fire of persecution. Those who are shallow theologically manifest that superficiality in the face of strong challenges that oppose continued commitment to Christ. George Guthrie Don't chase after the wind (v. 12-13) Ecclesiastes 2:10-11 Don't rebel against him (v. 14-15) Don't pursue self-interest (v. 16) Philippians 2:3-4 RESOURCES The Prisoner in the Third Cell by Gene Edwards https://a.co/d/3rrTEfY Doctrine and Obedience Are Friends https://ca.thegospelcoalition.org/columns/straight-paths/doctrine-and-obedience-are-friends/ The Most Dangerous Form of Deconstruction https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2022/february-web-only/russell-moore-deconstruction-faith-church-dangerous-form.html Another Gospel?: A Lifelong Christian Seeks Truth in Response to Progressive Christianity by Alisa Childers and Lee Strobel https://a.co/d/fXuuEaT The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? by Michael Graham https://a.co/d/etjiIIq I Am Restored: How I Lost My Religion but Found My Faith https://a.co/d/7lFqs2H Before You Lose Your Faith: Deconstructing Doubt in the Church https://a.co/d/6r7v4lg Alisa Childers podcasts https://alisachilders.com/podcast/ Cross Examined podcasts https://crossexamined.org/podcasts/ Red Pen Logic https://www.youtube.com/c/RedPenLogic https://www.facebook.com/redpenlogic https://www.instagram.com/redpenlogic/

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John Hall and Kathy Emmons talk with Jim Davis, teaching pastor at Orlando Grace Church, about his book he co-wrote, The Great Dechurching:Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back?     See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

I was born and raised until age 13 in Québec. I'm an anglophone but entered the first iteration of French Immersion when I started grade 4. When we moved to Ontario, I carried on with the program through to the end of high school with a third of my secondary credits being classes in French. I was fluent in the language and given a Certificate of Bilingualism when I graduated. But living in English Canada for all these years, I have had few opportunities to speak French, and my language skills are, at best, rough. When I get the opportunity to spend time in a francophone context, the words and phrases begin to come back pretty quickly. I remember what I once knew. It is a fact that unless we continue to rehearse and use what we know, it slips into some deep recess of our brain and is all but unretrievable without some effort to remember what we once knew well. That is Jude's point in addressing the significant challenges that his readers were facing with respect to false teachers. He wrote, “I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it…” and goes on to begin a recounting of basic gospel principles. And that's what we'll look at in Jude 1:5-7 this Sunday. Contending for the faith starts with reminding myself constantly of the gospel. In the language of our series, if we are to deconstruct and then properly reconstruct our faith, it must be on the basis of these gospel principles. Otherwise, the false teachers have their way with us and the building of our life and faith crumbles. Series: Deconstructed-Reconstructed (Jude) Todd Dugard Message: 2 – Remembering what you once knew Harvest Bible Chapel Text: Jude 1:5-7 September 17, 2023 In truth, there are only two kinds of people; those who accept a set of beliefs and know it, and those who accept a set of beliefs and don't know it.—G.K. Chesterton, Orthodoxy To contend for the faith means reminding myself that… …unbelief destroys—am I a believer? (v. 5) Romans 2:29 Israel's apostasy stands as a warning to all those who think that an initial commitment secures their future destiny without ongoing obedience. Thomas R. Schreiner We are not told in the Sermon on the Mount, ‘Live like this and you will become a Christian'; rather we are told, ‘Because you are a Christian live like this.' Martyn Lloyd-Jones …pride imprisons—am I humble? (v. 6) 1 Peter 5:5b When others tell me that the reason I left the Church was simply because I really didn't know the ‘One True God', the truth is, I did. The problem was that in order for me to keep believing in 'Him', I had to keep abandoning myself. So instead, I chose ME for the first time. For many people, deconstruction isn't about submitting to God. It's about choosing to be your own god. redpenlogic Pride must die in you, or nothing of heaven can live in you. Andrew Murray, Humility: The Journey Toward Holiness Humility is the displacement of self by the enthronement of God. Andrew Murray Matthew 16:24 …immorality condemns—am I pursuing holiness? (v. 7) ἐκπορνεύω; ekporneuō – to engage in sexual immorality of any kind, often with the implication of prostitution; to engage in illicit sex, to commit fornication L&N 88.271 Ezekiel 16:49-50 Sometimes we don't want God to be real because we want permission to sin without consequence. We want an intimate God on Sundays and an impersonal God who looks the other way for the rest of the week. Lecrae, I Am Restored: How I Lost My Religion but Found My Faith RESOURCES Another Gospel?: A Lifelong Christian Seeks Truth in Response to Progressive Christianity by Alisa Childers and Lee Strobel https://a.co/d/fXuuEaT The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? by Michael Graham https://a.co/d/etjiIIq I Am Restored: How I Lost My Religion but Found My Faith https://a.co/d/7lFqs2H Before You Lose Your Faith: Deconstructing Doubt in the Church https://a.co/d/6r7v4lg Alisa Childers podcasts https://alisachilders.com/podcast/ Cross Examined podcasts https://crossexamined.org/podcasts/ Red Pen Logic https://www.youtube.com/c/RedPenLogic https://www.facebook.com/redpenlogic https://www.instagram.com/redpenlogic/

I was born and raised until age 13 in Québec. I'm an anglophone but entered the first iteration of French Immersion when I started grade 4. When we moved to Ontario, I carried on with the program through to the end of high school with a third of my secondary credits being classes in French. I was fluent in the language and given a Certificate of Bilingualism when I graduated. But living in English Canada for all these years, I have had few opportunities to speak French, and my language skills are, at best, rough. When I get the opportunity to spend time in a francophone context, the words and phrases begin to come back pretty quickly. I remember what I once knew. It is a fact that unless we continue to rehearse and use what we know, it slips into some deep recess of our brain and is all but unretrievable without some effort to remember what we once knew well. That is Jude's point in addressing the significant challenges that his readers were facing with respect to false teachers. He wrote, “I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it…” and goes on to begin a recounting of basic gospel principles. And that's what we'll look at in Jude 1:5-7 this Sunday. Contending for the faith starts with reminding myself constantly of the gospel. In the language of our series, if we are to deconstruct and then properly reconstruct our faith, it must be on the basis of these gospel principles. Otherwise, the false teachers have their way with us and the building of our life and faith crumbles. Series: Deconstructed-Reconstructed (Jude) Todd Dugard Message: 2 – Remembering what you once knew Harvest Bible Chapel Text: Jude 1:5-7 September 17, 2023 In truth, there are only two kinds of people; those who accept a set of beliefs and know it, and those who accept a set of beliefs and don't know it.—G.K. Chesterton, Orthodoxy To contend for the faith means reminding myself that… …unbelief destroys—am I a believer? (v. 5) Romans 2:29 Israel's apostasy stands as a warning to all those who think that an initial commitment secures their future destiny without ongoing obedience. Thomas R. Schreiner We are not told in the Sermon on the Mount, ‘Live like this and you will become a Christian'; rather we are told, ‘Because you are a Christian live like this.' Martyn Lloyd-Jones …pride imprisons—am I humble? (v. 6) 1 Peter 5:5b When others tell me that the reason I left the Church was simply because I really didn't know the ‘One True God', the truth is, I did. The problem was that in order for me to keep believing in 'Him', I had to keep abandoning myself. So instead, I chose ME for the first time. For many people, deconstruction isn't about submitting to God. It's about choosing to be your own god. redpenlogic Pride must die in you, or nothing of heaven can live in you. Andrew Murray, Humility: The Journey Toward Holiness Humility is the displacement of self by the enthronement of God. Andrew Murray Matthew 16:24 …immorality condemns—am I pursuing holiness? (v. 7) ἐκπορνεύω; ekporneuō – to engage in sexual immorality of any kind, often with the implication of prostitution; to engage in illicit sex, to commit fornication L&N 88.271 Ezekiel 16:49-50 Sometimes we don't want God to be real because we want permission to sin without consequence. We want an intimate God on Sundays and an impersonal God who looks the other way for the rest of the week. Lecrae, I Am Restored: How I Lost My Religion but Found My Faith RESOURCES Another Gospel?: A Lifelong Christian Seeks Truth in Response to Progressive Christianity by Alisa Childers and Lee Strobel https://a.co/d/fXuuEaT The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? by Michael Graham https://a.co/d/etjiIIq I Am Restored: How I Lost My Religion but Found My Faith https://a.co/d/7lFqs2H Before You Lose Your Faith: Deconstructing Doubt in the Church https://a.co/d/6r7v4lg Alisa Childers podcasts https://alisachilders.com/podcast/ Cross Examined podcasts https://crossexamined.org/podcasts/ Red Pen Logic https://www.youtube.com/c/RedPenLogic https://www.facebook.com/redpenlogic https://www.instagram.com/redpenlogic/

Davis and Graham write in their book, “The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back?” that “more people have left the church in the last 25 years than all the new people who became Christians from the First Great Awakening, Second Great Awakening, and Billy Graham crusades combined.” What does the falling away look like? It looks like this, but even worse than you think it is. Let me explain. On this episode of the NTEB Prophecy News Podcast, the professing Christian Church entered into a period of falling away from preaching and teaching rightly divided Bible doctrine in the tail-end of the 19th century with the emergence of the modern version ‘bibles', the Revised Version was released in 1881, and the American Standard Version in 1901. With the launch of those two books, a ‘direct hit' was leveled against the Church and the King James Bible that resulted in an ever-widening apostasy. By the time you get to the end of the 20th century, there are over 250 ‘bible' versions, all of them bad. Here in 2023, the vast majority of people who identify as Christian could not tell you the gospel of the kingdom of God that Paul preached if their lives depended on it. As a result, people are fleeing in record numbers even the feel-good, love gospel churches because they have no connection of any kind to God and the Bible. There is indeed a ‘dechurching' underway, and on this episode we show you just how bad it really is, and what you can do about it. We will also cover the Joe Biden impeachment, the Hunter Biden indictment, and the collapse of America. TO THE FIGHT!!!

Join Cameron and Anna for this fascinating interview with Jim Davis and Michael Graham, authors of The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? According to the research commissioned by Davis and Graham, 40 million people have left the American church in the last several decades. Americans are most vulnerable to dechurching between the ages of 13-30. This important new book uncovers the primary reasons why people leave the church. Parents will be particularly interested in knowing how they might influence their child's decision to dechurch."The American Church has tended to work best for those who fit the 'American path': marriage, then children after marriage. If you get off that path, the American church doesn't work as well for you, which is really sad because if you go back to the early church, the people church worked best for were the disenfranchised." Jim DavisResources:The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? by Jim Davis and Michael GrahamThe Next Generation: Forming Middle and High School Students for Lifelong Faith (As In Heaven podcast episode with Cameron Cole)Handing Down the Faith: How Parents Pass Their Religion on to the Next Generation by Christian SmithGod's Grace For Every Family: Biblical Encouragement for Single-Parent Families and the Churches that Seek to Love them Well by Anna Meade HarrisJoin us November 2-4 for Rooted 2023!

The Great Dechurching:Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? (new book co-written with Michael Graham & Ryan Burge) … GUEST Jim Davis … teaching pastor at Orlando Grace Church … host of “As it is in Heaven” podcast on The Gospel Coalition podcast network. Why Seminary Is Worth It for Women … GUEST Lianna Davis … student of the Word with a B.A. in Ministry to Women from Moody Bible Institute.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Great Dechurching:Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? (new book co-written with Michael Graham & Ryan Burge) … GUEST Jim Davis … teaching pastor at Orlando Grace Church … host of “As it is in Heaven” podcast on The Gospel Coalition podcast network. Why Seminary Is Worth It for Women … GUEST Lianna Davis … student of the Word with a B.A. in Ministry to Women from Moody Bible Institute.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The Christian Outlook – September 2, 2023 Scott Furrow and Erik Baptist, senior counsel for Alliance Defending Freedom, discuss the legal challenges against the FDA's approval and distribution of the abortion pill, as well as the ethical concerns, and safety issues surrounding it.  Scott Furrow and Nicole Hunt of Focus on the Family talk about the abortion industry's opposition to legislation supporting alternatives to abortion and women's choices for life. Despite claiming to be pro-choice, the industry resists measures that don't align with their profit-driven focus, as seen in examples from Colorado and California. Brian From and Aubrey Sampson invite Michael Graham to discuss his co-authored book, The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? Georgene Rice talks with Heidi St. John, a homeschool mom of seven, a podcaster, and author of MomStrong 365: A Daily Devotional to Encourage and Empower Everyday Moms., about how everyone has a unique role to play in fulfilling God's purposes, in this time and season in their life. John Hall and Kathy Emmons talk with Grant Horner, a professor at the Master's University in Santa Clarita, California, about how the transgender movement is attempting to erase the way God has designed humanity.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Episode 1304 | Adriel Sanchez and Bill Maier answer caller questions. Show Notes  CoreChristianity.com Questions in this Episode 1. Does Matthew 6:24 teach that I must hate money to love God? 2. Why do Christians have differing beliefs if we have the same Holy Spirit? 3. Were there people on Earth before Adam and Eve? 4. Why does the Bible mention slavery so many times? 5. Should churches offer more services throughout the week?   Today's Offer Bible Studies   Request our latest special offers here or call 1-833-THE-CORE (833-843-2673) to request them by phone.   Want to partner with us in our work here at Core Christianity? Consider becoming a member of the Inner Core. Resources Book - The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? by Jim Davis and Michael Graham Book -  Core Christianity: Finding Yourself in God's Story by Michael Horton

Michael Graham, Program Director for The Keller Center for Cultural Apologetics, reveals the number one reason people leave church: moving. Michael has just co-authored a book called The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back?, and says that life events that disrupt schedules--like marital changes, kids, or pandemics--are actually the biggest congregation-stealers... and present the greatest opportunity for ministry. Then, Brian and Aubrey interview enneagram expert Jackie Brewster, and chat about what Jesus meant by encouraging Christians to be a city on the hill--vs. what politicians mean when they use the same phrase. Follow The Common Good on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram Hosted by Aubrey Sampson and Brian From Produced by Laura Finch and Keith ConradSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Why do people leave church? And what can parents know and do so their kids aren't casualties to a mass church exodus? Church planter Michael Aitcheson and author Jim Davis, author of The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back? as the two explore what's happening in the church—and how parents can actively, intentionally shape kids who stay. Show Notes and Resources Hear more from Jim Davis on his podcast. And grab Jim's book, "The Great Dechurching" in our shop. Intrigued by today's episode? Catch more on deconversion and deconstruction in FamilyLife Today episodes with Dr. John Marriott. Find resources from this podcast at shop.familylife.com. See resources from our past podcasts. Find more content and resources on the FamilyLife's app! Help others find FamilyLife. Leave a review on Apple Podcast or Spotify. Check out all the FamilyLife podcasts on the FamilyLife Podcast Network

Michael Graham discusses findings from his book, The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back?.  He profiles four different groups of these dear friends who have left the church and shares what it might take to bring them back. Michael Graham is Program Director at The Keller Center for Cultural Apologetics. He produces and writes for the As In Heaven podcast and is a member at Orlando Grace Church.

When is the last time you attended a worship service? For 40 million of us, the answer is, not in quite some time. Listen to Pastor Jim Davis, co-author of "The Great Dechurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back?" Davis is teaching pastor at Orlando Grace Church. Original air date 10 July 2023. The book will be published on 22 August 2023.

We covered computer and internet copyright law in a previous episode. That type of law began with interpretations that tried to take the technology out of cases so they could be interpreted as though what was being protected was a printed work, or at least it did for a time. But when it came to the internet, laws, case law, and their knock-on effects, the body of jurisprudence work began to diverge.  Safe Harbor mostly refers to the Online Copyright Infringement Liability Limitation Act, or OCILLA for short, was a law passed in the late 1980s that  shields online portals and internet service providers from copyright infringement. Copyright infringement is one form of immunity, but more was needed. Section 230 was another law that protects those same organizations from being sued for 3rd party content uploaded on their sites. That's the law Trump wanted overturned during his final year in office but given that the EU has Directive 2000/31/EC, Australia has the Defamation Act of 2005, Italy has the Electronic Commerce Directive 2000, and lots of other countries like England and Germany have had courts find similarly, it is now part of being an Internet company. Although the future of “big tech” cases (and the damage many claim is being done to democracy) may find it refined or limited. That's because the concept of Internet Exceptionalism itself is being reconsidered now that the internet is here to stay. Internet Exceptionalism is a term that notes that laws that diverge from precedents for other forms of media distribution. For example, a newspaper can be sued for liable or defamation, but a website is mostly shielded from such suits because the internet is different. Pages are available instantly, changes be made instantly, and the reach is far greater than ever before. The internet has arguably become the greatest tool to spread democracy and yet potentially one of its biggest threats. Which some might have argued about newspapers, magazines, and other forms of print media in centuries past. The very idea of Internet Exceptionalism has eclipsed the original intent. Chris Cox and Ron Widen initially intended to help fledgling Internet Service Providers (ISPs) jumpstart content on the internet. The internet had been privatized in 1995 and companies like CompuServe, AOL, and Prodigy were already under fire for the content on their closed networks. Cubby v CompuServe in 1991 had found that online providers weren't considered publishers of content and couldn't be held liable for free speech practiced on their platforms in part because they did not exercise editorial control of that content. Stratton Oakmont v Prodigy found that Prodigy did have editorial control (and in fact advertised themselves as having a better service because of it) and so could be found liable like a newspaper would. Cox and Widen were one of the few conservative and liberal pairs of lawmakers who could get along in the decisive era when Newt Gingrich came to power and tried to block everything Bill Clinton tried to do.  Yet there were aspects of the United States that were changing outside of politics. Congress spent years negotiating a telecommunications overhaul bill that came to be known as The Telecommunications Act of 1996. New technology led to new options. Some saw content they found to be indecent and so the Communications Decency Act (or Title V of the Telecommunications Act) was passed in 1996, but in Reno v ACLU found to be a violation of the first amendment, and struck down by the Supreme Court in 1997. Section 230 of that act was specifically about the preservation of free speech and so severed from the act and stood alone. It would be adjudicated time and time and eventually became an impenetrable shield that protects online providers from the need to scan every message posted to a service to see if it would get them sued. Keep in mind that society itself was changing quickly in the early 1990s. Tipper Gore wanted to slap a label on music to warn parents that it had explicit lyrics. The “Satanic Panic” as it's called by history reused tropes such as cannibalism and child murder to give the moral majority an excuse to try to restrict that which they did not understand. Conservative and progressive politics have always been a 2 steps forward and 1 step back truce. Heavy metal would seem like nothin' once parents heard the lyrics of gagster rap.  But Section 230 continued on. It stated that “No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.” It only took 27 words to change the world. They said that the people that host the content can't be sued for the content because, as courts interpreted it, it's free speech. Think of a public forum like a hall on a college campus that might restrict one group from speaking and so suppress speech or censer a group. Now, Section 230 didn't say it wasn't allowed to screen material but instead shielded providers from being held liable for that material. The authors of the bill felt that if providers would be held liable for any editing that they wouldn't do any. Now providers could edit some without reviewing every post. And keep in mind the volume of posts in message boards and of new websites had already become too much in the late 1990s to be manually monitored. Further, as those companies became bigger business they became more attractive to law suits.  Section 230 had some specific exclusions. Any criminal law could still be applied, as could state, sex trafficking, and privacy laws. Intellectual property laws also remained untouched, thus OCILLA. To be clear, reading the law, the authors sought to promote the growth of the internet - and it worked. Yelp gets sued over revues but cases are dismissed. Twitter can get sued over a Tweet when someone doesn't like what is said, but it's the poster and not Twitter who is liable. Parody sites, whistleblower sites, watchdog sites, revue sites, blogs, and an entire industry was born, which each player of what would later be known as the Web 2.0 market could self-regulate themselves.  Those businesses grew far beyond the message boards of the 1990s. This was also a time when machine learning became more useful. A site like Facebook could show a feed of posts not in reverse chronological order, but instead by “relevance.” Google could sell ads and show them based on the relevance of a search term. Google could buy YouTube and they could have ads on videos. Case after case poked at the edges of what could be used to hold a site liable. The fact that the courts saw a post on Reddit as free speech, no matter how deplorable the comments, provided a broad immunity to liability that was, well, exceptional in a way.  Some countries could fine or imprison people if they posted something negative about the royal family or party in charge. Some of those countries saw the freedom of speech so important as a weapon that could be used against the US in a way. The US became a safe haven in a way to free speech and many parts of the internet were anonymous. In this way (as was previously done with films and other sources of entertainment and news) the US began to export the culture of free speech. But every country also takes imports. Some of those were real, true ideas homegrown or brought in from abroad. Early posters of message boards maybe thought the Armenian Genocide was a hoax - or the Holocaust. A single post could ruin a career. Craigslist allowed for sex trafficking and while they eventually removed that, sites like Backpage have received immunity. So even some of the exceptions are, um, not. Further, extremist groups use pages to spread propaganda and even recruit soldiers to spread terror.  The courts found that sites were immune to suits over fake profiles on dating sites - even if it was a famous person and the person was getting threatening calls. The courts initially found sites needed to take down content if they were informed it was libelous - but have received broad immunity even when they don't due to the sheer amount of content. Batzel v Smith saw a lawyers firm ruined over false reports she was the granddaughter of Nazi Heinrich Himmler and the beneficiary of Nazi art theft, even though she wasn't - she too lost her case. Sites provide neutral tools and so are shielded from defamation - even if they're neutralish you rarely see them held to account. In Goddard v. Google, the Google Keyword Tool recommended that advertisers include the word “free” in mobile content, which Goddard claimed led to fraudulent subscription service recruitment. This was machine learning-based recommendations. The court again found provided the Keyword Tool was neutral that advertisers could adopt or reject the recommendation.  Still, time and time again the idea of safe harbor for internet companies and whether internet exceptionalism should continue comes up. The internet gave a voice to the oppressed, but also to the oppressors. That's neutrality in a way, except that the oppressors (especially when state sponsored actors are involved) often have more resources to drown out other voices, just like in real life. Some have argued a platform like Facebook should be held accountable for their part in the Capitol riots, which is to say as a place where people practiced free speech. Others look to Backpage as facilitating the exploitation of children or as a means of oppression. Others still see terrorist networks as existing and growing because of the ability to recruit online.  The Supreme Court is set to hear docket number 21-1333 in 2022. Gonzalez v. Google was brought by Reynaldo Gonzalez, and looks at whether 230 can immunize Google even though they have made targeted recommendations - in this case when ISIS used YouTube vides to recruit new members - through the  recommendation algorithm. An algorithm that would be neutral. But does a platform as powerful have a duty to do more, especially when there's a chance that Section 230 bumps up against anti-terrorism legislation. Again and again the district courts in the United States have found section 230 provides broad immunization to online content providers. Now, the Supreme Court will weigh in. After that, billions of dollars may have to be pumped into better content filtration or they may continue to apply broad first amendment guidance.  The Supreme Court is packed with “originalists”. They still have phones, which the framers did not. The duty that common law places on those who can disseminate negligent or reckless content has lost the requirement for reasonable care due to the liability protections afforded purveyors of content by Section 230. This has given rise to hate speech and misinformation. John Perry Barlow's infamous A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace in protest of the CDA was supported by Section 230 of that same law. But the removal of the idea and duty of reasonable care and the exemptions have now removed any accountability from what seems like any speech. Out of the ashes of accountability the very concept of free speech and where the duty of reasonable care lies may be reborn. We now have the ability to monitor via machine learning, we've now redefined what it means to moderate, and there's now a robust competition for eyeballs on the internet. We've also seen how a lack of reasonable standards can lead to real life consequences and that an independent cyberspace can bleed through into the real world.  If the Supreme Court simply upholds findings from the past then the movement towards internet sovereignty may accelerate or may stay the same. Look to where venture capital flows for clues as to how the First Amendment will crash into the free market, and see if its salty waters leave data and content aggregators with valuations far lower than where they once were. The asset of content may some day become a liability with injuries that could provide an existential threat to the owner. The characters may walk the astral plane but eventually must return to the prime material plane along their tether to take a long rest or face dire consequences. The world simply can't continue to become more and more toxic - and yet there's a reason the First Amendment is, well, first. Check out Twenty-Six Words Created the Internet. What Will It Take to Save It?

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Program Notes: It was a fascinating experience to share in conversation with Marianne Schnall. The opportunity to share how she has spent years building the website FEMINIST.com as a vehicle for supporting feminist organizations, initiatives, and providing a central connection point for women to stay abreast of what is in movement is a privilege. Equally inspiring was learning about how and why she founded the What Will It Take Movements, which is a media, collaboration, learning, and social engagement platform that inspires, connects, educates, and engages women everywhere to advance in all levels of leadership and take action. I invite you to tune in to learn more about how this amazing and powerful women is dedicating her life to forwarding real change on the behalf of women. Bio: Marianne Schnall is a journalist, author, and interviewer whose work has appeared in Forbes, CNN.com, Refinery29, Thrive Global, Huffington Post, TIME.com, O, The Oprah Magazine, and many other media outlets. Her wide-ranging interviews with global leaders span fields as diverse as entertainment, politics, business, spirituality, and environmental and social activism and include Oprah Winfrey, Melinda Gates, President Jimmy Carter, Jane Goodall, Speaker Arianna Huffington, Anita Hill, Jane Fonda, Stacey Abrams, Amy Poehler and hundreds of others. Marianne is the founder of What Will It Take Movements, a media, collaboration, learning, and social engagement platform that inspires, connects, educates, and engages women everywhere to advance in all levels of leadership and take action. She is also the founder of Feminist.com, a leading women's website and nonprofit organization that fosters awareness, education, and activism for people all across the world. Marianne is the author of What Will It Take to Make a Woman President? Conversations About Women, Leadership & Power which features interviews with politicians, public officials, thought leaders, writers, artists, and activists from Nancy Pelosi and Maya Angelou to Gloria Steinem and Nicholas Kristof, and many more. Her latest books include Leading the Way: Inspiring Words for Women on How to Live and Lead with Courage, Confidence, and Authenticity, and Dare to Be You: Inspirational Advice for Girls on Finding Your Voice, Leading Fearlessly, and Making a Difference. Through her writings, interviews, and websites, Marianne strives to raise awareness and inspire activism around important issues and causes. Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/marianne.schnall Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marianneschnall/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/marianneschnall

Continuing with his series, The Road Less Travelled, Pastor Randy Lightbourne introduces a new sermon topic: "What Will It Take...Response".Blessings abound!Pastor Randy Lightbourne is the Pastor of Beacons for Christ Ministry, London, England.

Teddy Atlas and co-host Ken Rideout breakdown recent Jose Pedraza vs Richard Commey fight which ended in a draw, along with the upcoming Andy Ruiz vs Luis Ortiz fight at heavyweight. Teddy and Ken have Johnathon Banks on to discuss how training camp is going with GGG in advance of the Canelo trilogy fight, what the strategy is for GGG vs Canelo 3, and more. Thanks for being with us. The best way to support is to subscribe, share the episode and check out our sponsors: Athletic Greens - https://athleticgreens.com/atlas Feel Free - https://botanictonics.com/ -- code "ATLAS" at checkout SUBSCRIBE TO OUR WEEKLY NEWSLETTER HERE: https://www.getrevue.co/profile/teddyatlas1 Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 05:00 - Commey vs Pedraza 23:55 - Andy Ruiz vs Luis Ortiz 34:10 - Johnathon Banks Interview Start 35:00 - How Camp Is Going for GGG and Banks 42:15 - Legend of Kronk Boxing Gym 45:30 - Mental Side of Boxing 47:00 - GGG Strategy vs Canelo 50:45 - Canelo is Now the Bigger Man (Impact on Strategy?) 55:30 - What Will It Take to Beat Canelo (Given Judging of Fights 1 & 2) TEDDY'S AUDIOBOOK Amazon/Audible: https://amzn.to/32104DR iTunes/Apple: https://apple.co/32y813r THE FIGHT T-SHIRTS https://teddy-atlas.myshopify.com/ TEDDY'S SOCIAL MEDIA Twitter - http://twitter.com/teddyatlasreal Instagram - http://instagram.com/teddy_atlas THE FIGHT WITH TEDDY ATLAS SOCIAL MEDIA Instagram - http://instagram.com/thefightWTA Twitter - http://twitter.com/thefightwta Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheFightwithTeddyAtlas Big thanks to VHS collection for intro music. More on VHS Collection here: http://www.vhscollection.com/. Thanks for tuning in. Please be sure to subscribe! Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

Teddy Atlas and co-host Ken Rideout breakdown recent Jose Pedraza vs Richard Commey fight which ended in a draw, along with the upcoming Andy Ruiz vs Luis Ortiz fight at heavyweight. Teddy and Ken have Johnathon Banks on to discuss how training camp is going with GGG in advance of the Canelo trilogy fight, what the strategy is for GGG vs Canelo 3, and more. Thanks for being with us. The best way to support is to subscribe, share the episode and check out our sponsors: Athletic Greens - https://athleticgreens.com/atlas Feel Free - https://botanictonics.com/ -- code "ATLAS" at checkout SUBSCRIBE TO OUR WEEKLY NEWSLETTER HERE: https://www.getrevue.co/profile/teddyatlas1 Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 05:00 - Commey vs Pedraza 23:55 - Andy Ruiz vs Luis Ortiz 34:10 - Johnathon Banks Interview Start 35:00 - How Camp Is Going for GGG and Banks 42:15 - Legend of Kronk Boxing Gym 45:30 - Mental Side of Boxing 47:00 - GGG Strategy vs Canelo 50:45 - Canelo is Now the Bigger Man (Impact on Strategy?) 55:30 - What Will It Take to Beat Canelo (Given Judging of Fights 1 & 2) TEDDY'S AUDIOBOOK Amazon/Audible: https://amzn.to/32104DR iTunes/Apple: https://apple.co/32y813r THE FIGHT T-SHIRTS https://teddy-atlas.myshopify.com/ TEDDY'S SOCIAL MEDIA Twitter - http://twitter.com/teddyatlasreal Instagram - http://instagram.com/teddy_atlas THE FIGHT WITH TEDDY ATLAS SOCIAL MEDIA Instagram - http://instagram.com/thefightWTA Twitter - http://twitter.com/thefightwta Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheFightwithTeddyAtlas Big thanks to VHS collection for intro music. More on VHS Collection here: http://www.vhscollection.com/. Thanks for tuning in. Please be sure to subscribe! Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

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On this Hacks & Wonks week-in-review, Crystal's co-host is criminal defense attorney, abolitionist and activist Nicole Thomas-Kennedy. They discuss how a powerful lobbying group used a focus on local control to sink statewide housing reform, and how to overcome that in the next session, a rundown of candidates running for open seats, the disconnect of prioritizing the wants of downtown stakeholders over real solutions to homelessness, the Seattle City Attorney's repackaging of a failed initiative, and mixed results on the plan for some concrete workers to return to work while concrete companies continue to drag their feet on negotiating a fair contract. As always, a full text transcript of the show is available below and at officialhacksandwonks.com. Find the host, Crystal Fincher on Twitter at @finchfrii and find today's co-host, Nicole Thomas-Kennedy, at @NTKallday. More info is available at officialhacksandwonks.com.   Resources “Here's What Happened in Olympia” by Rich Smith from The Stranger: https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2022/03/15/68343035/the-strangers-rundown-of-2022s-huge-confused-legislative-session    “What Will It Take to Get Statewide Housing Reform?” by Matt Baume from The Stranger: https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2022/03/16/68207458/what-will-it-take-to-get-statewide-housing-reform    “Surprise Sweep Displaces Fourth Avenue Encampment, Scattering Unsheltered People” by Erica C. Barnett from PubliCola: https://publicola.com/2022/03/09/surprise-sweep-displaces-fourth-avenue-encampment-scattering-unsheltered-people-throughout-downtown/    “Downtown Sweep Highlights Urgency of Resolving Seattle's Other “Top-Priority Encampment,” Woodland Park” by Erica C. Barnett from PubliCola: https://publicola.com/2022/03/16/downtown-sweep-highlights-urgency-of-resolving-seattles-other-top-priority-encampment-woodland-park/    “City Attorney's Office Introduces Latest Initiative to Target “High Utilizers” of the Criminal Justice System” by Paul Kiefer from PubliCola: https://publicola.com/2022/03/15/city-attorneys-office-introduces-latest-initiative-to-target-so-called-high-utilizers-of-the-criminal-justice-system/    “Harrell postpones Seattle police plan to crack down on ‘disorderly conduct' at Third Avenue bus stops” by David Kroman from The Seattle Times: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/transportation/harrell-postpones-seattle-police-plan-to-crack-down-on-disorderly-conduct-at-third-avenue-bus-stops/    “Cigarettes and Fentanyl: All Aboard” by Nathan Vass from NathanVass.com: http://www.nathanvass.com/blog/cigarettes-and-fentanyl-all-aboard    “Some Seattle-area concrete drivers return to work, others await go-ahead from employer” by Nick Bowman from MyNorthwest: https://mynorthwest.com/3398180/seattle-concrete-drivers-return-others-await-employer/    “Concrete strike continues in King County as union workers who offered to return didn't show” by KING 5 Staff & Adel Toay from KING 5: https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/concrete-strike-king-county-union-workers-no-show/281-f14d167c-c88c-44db-91c8-591171124209    Transcript [00:00:00] Crystal Fincher: Welcome to Hacks & Wonks. I'm Crystal Fincher, and I'm a political consultant and your host. On this show, we talk with policy wonks and political hacks to gather insight into local politics and policy in Washington State through the lens of those doing the work with behind-the-scenes perspectives on what's happening, why it's happening, and what you can do about it. For transcripts and resources referenced in this show, you can visit officialhacksandwonks.com and reference our episode notes. Today we're continuing our Friday almost-live shows where we review the news of the week with a co-host. Welcome to the program for the first time, today's co-host: criminal defense attorney, abolitionist, and activist Nicole Thomas-Kennedy. Hey. [00:00:55] Nicole Thomas-Kennedy: Hello. Thanks for having me - and this is the second time I've been on - must have been so memorable that first time. [00:01:01] Crystal Fincher: No, this is your first time as a co-host on the Week In Review. Yes, we did an interview last time, which was very good and incredible. And a number of people were like, well, we see who you want to win. And it's just like, look, if she happens to be making great and salient points, it's not my fault. But yes, just really, really excited to have you here on the Week In Review. [00:01:28] Nicole Thomas-Kennedy: I'm excited to be here. Thank you. [00:01:30] Crystal Fincher: Well, and so the first thing that we have coming out of the gate was one thing I wanted to talk about - coming out of the end of the legislative session - we talked last week and broke down a number of bills. The Stranger this week had a great article that we'll put in our episode notes that also further broke down what was great about the legislative session, what was disappointing, and how we can move forward. And then Matt Baume also had another article talking about the failure of bills that would have mandated more density, specifically near transit, that would've helped address the affordability crisis that we have here in the state. And I thought it was very good - it was focused on, hey, what needs to happen moving forward to actually succeed in passing bills that require more density statewide? In that, he talked about the AWC, Association of Washington Cities, being a vocal opponent. They are a powerful lobby in the State of Washington. Their purpose, they say, is to represent the over 200 cities in the state. And their position largely was - it's really important to have local control in these and the one-size-fits-all solution that would come from the state just may not be right for our communities, so therefore we need to do nothing. The challenge in that is that most cities have not moved forward on doing anything. As you look at this issue, Nicole, what do you see as being the barriers and, I guess, the opportunities for moving forward successfully? [00:03:16] Nicole Thomas-Kennedy: I think that when I look at this, first I think it's funny that there is a coalition of all these cities that are all saying the same thing - we want local control - that seems to be the only thing that they agree on. But I think that on a state level, there needs to be a floor created for affordable housing and density, and that's really all we were talking about for the most part with these bills. It wasn't any incredibly specific directions that each city has to take on a certain timeline on a certain budget - anything like that. It was about just creating a floor of affordable, dense housing that is needed in pretty much every community. And I think that what I heard a lot in the last year was that - the reverse of there needs to be local control - which was now we have municipalities competing against each other for who can do the least. Seattle is - Sara Nelson and other people are calling out other cities for not doing their part and spending their money on addressing the crisis. And it seems to be like a race to the bottom in terms of who can spend the least. And because the idea, I think, is that if you build services, if you build affordable housing, people will move into them. And why do that when you can concentrate a lot of the unsheltered population in one place that provides the minimum to keep people alive? And that's what I see going on. [00:04:59] Crystal Fincher: Yeah, and definitely a resistance to people who are defined as others and outsiders from even being able to buy into communities. It was really interesting in this article - there were representatives from cities across the state, from Port Orchard to Tacoma to University Place, and a number of them were leaders within AWC and talked about - we need local control, we are all very different. But one very consistent thread in these is that the median home price in most of these areas has doubled. This housing crisis is not just a crisis in major municipalities. It is a crisis across the board in areas that were affordable - that people used to consider being affordable and that people could buy into and still work in a major area where jobs are concentrated. And still live, even with a commute unfortunately - that it was possible to buy a home there with a median income. It is no longer the case in many of these places. And sometimes, like one of these examples in Port Orchard, they touted - well, we built new homes. Well, yeah, those are half million dollar plus homes adjacent to a golf course. If we're concentrating on making sure cities are accessible to people across the board and that you don't have to be rich and that we aren't displacing people outside of cities and just gentrifying them, then we have to have a solution across the board. Also, interestingly, the National League of Cities, which the Association of Washington Cities is a member of, had a 2019 report that said, "While local control is often at the heart of policies that accelerate progress, there are examples, particularly in the affordable housing policy arena in which state policy is needed." To your point, there has to be a floor. We have to establish a minimum boundary. Cities can determine the right way that they're all going to get there, but what we can't do - what is not sustainable, we're already paying the price for - is continued inaction while just spouting excuses like, well, it's not local control, therefore it's nothing. I would love to see leaders within the legislature say, "Well, you say you want local control? This wasn't successful this session. You now have this coming year to address this within your own cities. If you do, we can find a way to create legislation that respects what you've done." And more than likely if you're taking meaningful action, the floor is going to be below where you set it. But it's not going to be an option to continue to not take action next session and further on in the future. I would love to hear that from legislative leadership and leaders across the state - it just should not be an option. We have to make cities and housing affordable and accessible for people to live in, or else we're going to make our homelessness problem worse, we're going to make our displacement problem worse, we're not going to have people available to fill jobs that are necessary within cities. This is a critical economic development issue just in addition to a housing and social issue. So I hope we address that. Go ahead. [00:08:31] Nicole Thomas-Kennedy: Oh, I was just going to say too that I really like how you talked about these are communities that used to be affordable. When we talk about Port Orchard - my in-laws live in Port Orchard, and so when they bought their home, it was very affordable and the amount of money it appreciated to was pretty astronomical. And so when we're resisting building affordable housing - and affordable really is - we're talking about homes that are less than half a million dollars, which is just a wild concept that that's where we are with the average home prices in an area. It wasn't always like that. So the idea that these - the people that are already there should be able to stay with this huge, expensive appreciation that they have in their home value, but then not let anybody else in that is going to be coming in at the same level that they came in at. And unfortunately they're not going to be able to afford - they're going to have to have less in terms of space and in terms of all of those things. And so it's interesting to me to want to keep out the same people that are essentially already there, I guess. [00:09:52] Crystal Fincher: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it absolutely is that issue. And then as I look at this, it's like the people who are in housing whose housing has appreciated and who are resistant to any kind of acceptance of other people in their communities - we're talking about their kids, we're talking about their employees, we're talking about their students. And again, people talk about, well, I can't find anyone to fill this position in my company. We can't find people. No one wants to work. But is it that no one wants to work? Or is it that you're now forcing people who can't live and work in the same community, and maybe the compensation doesn't work for someone who has to commute 45 minutes each way and drop off their kids beforehand and pick them up after? It just isn't tenable for so many reasons. I feel like we leave housing and affordability out of economic discussions and it's just so critical and a big part of those two. So I hope that we see significant action, and that candidates are talking about this on the campaign trail, and our leadership is making it clear in both the House and the Senate - that this is something that needs to be acted on and will be acted on next session, and that cities are on notice that they need to move in the right direction. [00:11:19] Nicole Thomas-Kennedy: Yes, I agree. Yes. That needs to happen. And I think there needs to be some - maybe more clear calling out of what is actually happening. If municipalities are saying, oh, we want to sit down, we want to sit down, we want to talk, we want to talk - but then they're not asking for any more talks and they're not proposing anything of their own. I think it's maybe time to call a spade a spade and say, are you really interested in solving this problem, or are you really just kicking the can down the road? [00:11:47] Crystal Fincher: Exactly. Well, the legislative session did recently conclude, and that means that now we have a number of legislators who are kicking off their re-election campaigns and starting in earnest. One thing I don't know if everyone who listens is aware of is that - while our legislators are in office, they can't actually raise money, so they can't do a major element of campaigning. There is a prohibition against doing that, also for certain employees of the state. So once session concludes, they're all trying to catch up to people who have already been running and doing that. And so a lot of them are - people are receiving a lot more emails from their representatives and appeals for donations - that's happening now. And I just wanted to do a quick little rundown of where there are open seats. There are a number of representatives who are retiring or moving onto different positions, some in the House are running for Senate seats - but that is leaving some positions open that are now contested by several different people. The 22nd Legislative District in Thurston County - having Beth Doglio and Laurie Dolan who are Democrats, and Loretta Byrnes running for those - that's Position 1 there. 30th Legislative District in Federal Way, where Jesse Johnson has decided not to run for re-election - we have Kristine Reeves, who's filed to run, Leandra Craft, Lynn French, Ryan Odell and Ashli Raye Tagoai, I think it is, and Janis Clark. And then in the 36 District in Seattle, where Reuven Carlyle decided not to run and then Noel Frame decided to run for Reuven Carlyle Senate seat, leaving that House seat vacant - there's Julia Reed, Jeffrey Manson, Elizabeth Tyler Crone, Nicole Gomez, and Waylon Robert. And in the 46th District - and just a reminder, I am working with Melissa Taylor - there is Melissa Taylor, Lelach Rave, Nancy Connolly, Darya Farivar, and Nina Martinez who have filed for that seat. That's in north Seattle, northeast Seattle. 47th Legislative District, which is eastern Kent, Covington, Maple Valley area, where Pat Sullivan is no longer running, he's not going to be running for re-election - there's Carmen Goers, Kyle Lyebyedyev, Jessie Ramsey, and Satwinder Kaur, who is a Kent City Councilmember. And then King County Prosecuting Attorney is an open seat because Dan Satterberg is not running for re-election - and so there's Stephan Thomas, Leesa Manion, and Jim Ferrell who are running for that seat. So there is a lot to come - we're certainly going to be having conversations with several of these candidates, but running these campaigns are getting off in earnest now - and you'll be hearing lots and seeing lots, and the end of the legislative session is a big turning point in campaign season with another big milestone coming up. There are lots of people who can file to run and you can start your campaign committee in May - in mid-May is where people officially declare that they're running for a specific seat - and that will determine who actually appears on your ballot. And so that'll be the final say on who is running for what, so people in the interim can potentially switch positions they're running for, choose not to run - lots of choices and paths that this can go down. As you're looking at this crew, does anything just come to mind for you? Or you've run a campaign - a big campaign citywide before - what do see just ahead for these candidates and for voters who are evaluating them? [00:15:59] Nicole Thomas-Kennedy: I mean, I see some candidates that I think are exciting - I also love Melissa Taylor. I used to work on the other side of Leandra Craft - I think she's smart and knows what's going on. So I think I'm seeing some good candidates. Campaigning at that level is different because there just has to be so much fundraising done, whereas in the City, we're so lucky that we don't have to spend all of our time doing that. I just - I wish everyone the best because - oh yeah, oh, Nicole Gomez too. There's some people to be really excited about, I think, and so that's great. I just wish everyone the best. I hope everyone's taking good care of themselves - that's what I think when I see this list. [00:16:45] Crystal Fincher: Running for office is a very, very tough thing. It's not fun - you're putting yourself out there to be scrutinized - people do not always consider the human when they are communicating with or about candidates. And they are humans - even when we disagree with them, they're humans. I do think, as candidates are kicking off their campaigns, certainly fundraising is a big deal in the City of Seattle - with City races, there are Democracy Vouchers where every resident gets money from the City that they can donate to the candidate of their choice. That is not the case in these campaigns this year - they have to raise all the money they need. And campaigns do take money because unfortunately there is not broad media coverage, and getting your message out to most voters requires communicating directly with them. And so whether it's knocking on their door, giving them a call - which still takes resources - and usually also involves communicating with them via mail or online or on TV - just a lot of different mediums there. And then people are also focusing on endorsements - especially early on, people are trying to figure out - what do these candidates stand for, what have they been involved with, and how have they worked before in the past, what is their history? And sometimes endorsements can be revealing and highlight what that candidate prioritizes, who is in their corner, what kind of issues they'll be strong on and a leading a advocate for - not simply a vote. So lots of that happening right now, and certainly just hope for the best and hope they are successful in getting their messages out. It is an interesting time and campaigns are kicking off once again. I did want to pivot to a number of news items in the City of Seattle surrounding public safety - first being the issue of sweeps of a number of encampments. And so we had a 4th Avenue encampment sweep, which scattered a bunch of unsheltered folks. There's probably other sweeps to come soon, and the issue of another encampment that has been viewed as a top priority at Woodland Park. As you look at what's going on with these sweeps, what do you see as far as what's happening? [00:19:33] Nicole Thomas-Kennedy: What I see is the huge amount of disconnect between what the public thinks is happening and what is actually happening - and that's just such a huge disservice to everyone. I know that there's a narrative out there that people are refusing services and they're refusing shelter. And I guess the idea is that some people are camping out in the cold and rain, because that's preferable somehow to be sheltered. And that's not what the case is - we don't have enough places for people to live that they can afford to live in. We don't have the services that are needed to stop this from continuing to happen. Also, the thing is - it really just moves the problem around. There's nothing really - it will clear one area of sidewalk for a certain period of time, but all it does is move things around. And the more people are destabilized, who are already barely, are clinging to stability and security in the most tenuous way possible - are then pushed around and have all the belongings they need to survive thrown away - because that's what we saw in the downtown sweep is - it was different than some of the other sweeps in that they didn't really offer services, they didn't offer anything. There's different timelines that they went by because they called the tents downtown an obstruction, a sidewalk obstruction, which means that they're - all of the things that they're supposed to do during the sweep, they didn't have to do any of that. And they didn't. And so we just see people's belongings being thrown away, tents thrown away. And I think what's also missing from the narrative around these sweeps is just how much stress that puts on service providers. I talk to a lot of people and they say, well, the Navigation Center is just up the street and I'm like, how much do you think that they can handle? Because as a public defender, something that I saw often was people being displaced by going to jail. That means when they get out, they have to get a new ID, a new EBT card, they have to go to DESC and see if they can get a tent and a sleeping bag - because there's things that people need in order to survive. And people don't just evaporate after a sweep, they are still existing. And also my partner has an office in Pioneer Square and he watched the 4th Avenue sweep, and he's seen a lot of sweeps around . That area. And he says, it's just really hard to watch people who are barely hanging on become so dysregulated by the horror of what is actually happening to them. And he said he would see people huddled together in alleyways trying to get away from the police - it's just a really horrifying scene that doesn't - it really truly does not solve any problem other than that one piece of sidewalk for a little bit of time. And so we're spending millions and millions of dollars to essentially make this problem worse. We move it around and make it worse. And so, I get that people don't want to see this anymore, but if that's what they want, then we're going to have to take some steps towards solutions and sweeps just aren't it at all. [00:23:04] Crystal Fincher: Yeah. You raised so many good points - it's absolutely correct. The bottom line is the actions that we're taking are not moving people into shelter and permanent housing. It is not an ideal solution to have people on sidewalks and have people living on streets. But when people don't have a home to go to and they don't have anywhere else to go, that is the option. That is the option. Unless we just expect people to die, we can't jail our way out of the problem. There certainly is a contingent of people who are just like, well, they shouldn't be on the sidewalk and that should be illegal and that's an obstruction and it's bad, and they should be arrested and they're probably criminals anyway and they're causing problems and creating crime. When the reality is people who are unsheltered are actually many times more likely to be victims of crime. They're a very vulnerable population and that's all just factless propaganda that we're hearing otherwise. But our services are not set up to meet the needs that actually exist, and time after time - when we listen and we hear things like they were offered shelter and they refused, we really do have to dig a little bit deeper and think about what were they offered? So many times what they were offered does not actually accommodate the needs that they have - if they have a partner, if they have a dog - those people that they have relied on that again, because they're in such a vulnerable position and because they are so exposed to the likelihood of having crime committed against them, having people that they can count on who help to look out for you, that help to protect your belongings - is essential to survival. And a lot of times we're asking them to give that up for a night in a shelter, for a week in a shelter. It's not even like they have the opportunity to transition in a permanent way and okay, maybe it's going to be okay. That stay in the shelter could be absolutely destabilizing for them and could tear apart the only thing that is keeping them safe and warm and alive. And so we just have to get really serious about this. I think Marc Dones has talked a lot about this issue and that we have to get real about - when we see such high "refusal rates", which can just be a service didn't fit. And when we see high rates of people being referred to services and then not showing up or following through, there's a reason for that. And if we want to get to the root cause of this issue and if we want to get people off of our sidewalks, which I think everybody wants, then we have to actually address the issues there and meet the needs that exist, not the ones that - they have to be solutions that meet the needs that they're identifying that they have, not what we think they should have, not what we think they deserve, not what we think is right or good or moral or all of that stuff. If we aren't addressing the things that they say will, hey, yes, that is something that I could do to move forward to get off the streets, then we're just moving people around to different areas. And again, a sweep is just moving people off of a block - the City and the County will acknowledge, have acknowledged - that no, it's not solving the issue of homelessness, it's moving them off of a block. I think another missing part of this conversation is that we seem to be prioritizing the needs and wants of downtown moneyed interests and not those of the rest of the community. We're perfectly fine spending tons of money - allocating tons of time and officer resources, City resources - to clear a block here and there at the behest of the Downtown Seattle Association, or the Chamber, or a business owner who's been loud and vocal, but we're actually not doing the same thing in other neighborhoods where just regular people are living. In fact, we're displacing the problems that existed in the downtown area to other communities - freely admitting it and saying, hey, we just spent the money that we could have spent to house people - which is the biggest problem of homelessness is people lacking houses - and we're treating this like a criminal solution and basically putting the problem into your lap now. And doing a victory lap because this one block downtown is clear for now. It just does not make much sense to me. And I just feel like so many people are just like, well, you don't care and you want all the sidewalks to be like this. No, no one does. We just want to actually not keep kicking the can down the road and waste the money that we could be using to actually solve this problem. [00:28:33] Nicole Thomas-Kennedy: Absolutely - and I also think that there's - I don't really understand why there is so much comfort in subsidizing downtown businesses using all the resources there to make sure that they can have what they want, but everybody else has to deal with the fallout and they just have to take it on. But like downtown - their sidewalks, everything - the City as a whole pays to subsidize clearing those blocks for them and for their businesses. And I don't understand why anyone is okay with that idea, especially because yes, we're not talking about solutions. And I think that if you're not talking about getting people housed, then you are just talking about moving the problem around. And there's a lot of reasons why - you were talking about people might refuse services, but there's also - and they're very real. Like you said, there's a community aspect that is the only thing that's keeping a lot of people truly alive, truly safe, truly alive - the modicum of safety and life that they have. And that's not considered. And I think that it's a very convenient - to say, well, they refused services - but it's just like, well, did you give them a three-night hotel voucher where they can't take any of their belongings? And so therefore they know if I do this, then I'm going to be out again in three days and I'm not going to have any of the things that I need to survive. There's a lot more that goes into decisions about what services to accept and not, rather than just personal preference. And I think that's how it gets sold - is like, oh, well, you maybe don't like this, but that's what there is. And it's just - first of all, I think people should have choices. But second, we're talking about the difference between life and death. And so the idea that, and this is what I would see in court all the time too, especially around issues like addiction or not having shelter is - well, if we just punish you harder, then you won't be like this anymore. I'm - this person lives under a bridge and is fighting for their life. I don't know how much lower we can take this - there's no point in making people who are suffering suffer more. I think there's this idea that they'll just suffer more and then they'll just stop - suffer more and then they'll magically have money to move into an apartment that costs twice as much as it did five years ago? That's this weird, magical thinking that is really, I guess, hypnotic on some level, but it's really pervasive. And we can see that it hasn't worked, so I don't really understand clinging to those notions. But yeah, that's where we are. And it's incredibly - I saw a picture the other day of some bike officers at a sweep and there was 12 of them just in the picture - and if you think about median income for a sworn police officer for SPD, I think it's $163,000. So even just looking - if we just rounded to $150k - 12 officers at $150k in this picture - that's almost $2,000 an hour. And I'm sure that was only a small number of the officers that were there. So in addition to parks, in addition to all of the other services that may or may not be provided - we're spending gigantic amounts of money to make the problem worse. And that just doesn't make any sense. If you want people off the sidewalk - I do too, this is horrible. Yeah, and I think there is this idea that if you say you don't like sweeps, then you must love people living in the street. And I think it's the complete opposite - you can be in favor of the sweeps, but you are not in favor of getting people off the street. You are in favor of getting people off your street temporarily. So it really - but I think it's really hard for people when the narrative is, oh, they're refusing services - as if people are being offered an apartment and they're saying, you know what - I really like it outside in the cold and rain. Yeah, it's hard, it's hard, there's - the media around this issue is really hard, making it really difficult for a lot of people. [00:33:30] Crystal Fincher: I agree with that. Another thing that we saw this week was the City Attorney Office pivoting back to a strategy - another strategy that we've seen unveiled many times before - an initiative to target "high utilizers" of the criminal justice system. And so Ann Davison has identified - I think it was 118 individuals who they say are responsible, 118 "high utilizers" who "create a disproportionate impact on public safety in Seattle." And so there have been similar initiatives launched in 2012 and 2019. And you may have heard other terms like high-impact offenders, prolific offenders - but this is the same strategy that they're using there. These clearly were not successful programs in the past, but we are returning to them. And certainly this is something that has been championed by more conservative folks, by the "law and order crowd". And we have varying opinions with this - there's a PubliCola article that goes over this - but King County Department of Public Defense Director, Anita Khandelwal, views the initiative as just repetition of a failed strategy, saying, "Over the last decade, the city has repeatedly announced similarly named initiatives that would focus more law enforcement resources on those already most policed as a strategy for addressing public safety. This is a tired strategy of arresting, prosecuting and jailing. It's expensive and clearly ineffective." Lisa Daugaard, the co-executive director of the Public Defender Association and co-founder of the LEAD diversion program, who we've talked about before - most recently supportive of the failed Compassion Seattle initiative - sees potential for success, saying the initiative is built on a solid foundation - addressing the needs of "high utilizers" on a case-by-case basis. She believes Davison could avoid the errors of past crackdowns by pushing her counterparts in city and county governments to expand programs like LEAD to accommodate a new surge in clients. Also, Lisa admits that if LEAD took on all 118 of those people's clients, they would not have any more capacity for additional clients in the future. And again, it's important to note that it does not appear that Ann Davison has expressed at all that she has any interest in diverting these programs to LEAD, or any other diversion program that is focused on treating more root causes to prevent this recidivism and reoffense that has been a hallmark of just arresting and jailing people. We have to do different things in order to get a different result. What do you think about this? [00:36:47] Nicole Thomas-Kennedy: I think it's funny - the repackaging every year - Ann really sold herself as this - someone so opposite of what Pete Holmes did, but now she's - this is the same exact thing. And it really is just window dressing in my opinion. And the idea that we can spend more on law enforcement and it's going to help is so ridiculous. The one thing that the 118 people that were identified have in common is none of them have shelter. [00:37:28] Crystal Fincher: Literally none? [00:37:30] Nicole Thomas-Kennedy: Right. Yeah. No, none of them do. They're all unsheltered. And so instead of spending this astronomical amount of money on more law enforcement, why don't we put money into housing? Because also when you look at the breakdown of the repeat crimes, it's usually low-level shoplifts and trespassing, which is just sleeping under an awning. And so how much of that could we just remove by getting people sheltered? And that seems to be the last solution. It's just - try everything else, except for providing shelter and services to people, which are so - it's so much less expensive to house someone and give them wraparound services - wraparound services like onsite case management, medication management, things like that - is so much less expensive than putting them in jail. And it's stable, right? Because no matter how much you hate that someone sleeps under an awning or steals a sandwich, no matter how much you dislike that, the criminal justice system will always fail to provide a solution because it's a temporary thing. The maximum sentence on almost every misdemeanor is - well, the maximum sentence is either 90 days or 364 days. And with the way jail time works, everyone's going to be back out on the street in 9 months - that's the max. We cannot just think of jail as this permanent housing solution and permanent incapacitation solution for low-level misdemeanors that could be so - I don't want to say easily, because it's not easy - it's not getting people into affordable housing, we don't have any first of all. And it's not an easy solution, but it's the only one that actually makes any sense. And I think that when we talk about LEAD or any of these other things, we're just putting more money where it doesn't belong. I don't think lawyers and cops should not be dealing with these situations. That's not where the money should go. The money should go to service providers, to housing, to professionals that deal with addiction or mental health issues - that's where the money needs to go and those are prioritized the least, and it's all about arrests and incarceration. And again, it's just like the sweeps - you're kicking the can - there's nothing about that that's going to solve the problem. And so no matter how many times someone gets arrested for these things, they're going to get out of jail. If it doesn't escalate into a felony and we're talking about the people that are these "high utilizers", or a couple years ago repeat offenders or prolific offenders, we're talking about a lot of misdemeanors. We're not talking about people with a bunch of murders or something like that. [00:40:24] Crystal Fincher: Committing violent crime, assaults - that type of thing. [00:40:27] Nicole Thomas-Kennedy: Yeah, so if we're talking about this low-level stuff, there's - it's a completely inadequate response that sucks up all of the resources needed to actually combat the problem. [00:40:39] Crystal Fincher: It does, and it is a real challenge. We have done this before, it has not worked. We keep spending resources on what has been proven to not work, while simultaneously demanding data that proves that doing anything else will completely solve this issue, and create a nirvana and just be the end-all and be-all, when that is actually not the standard that we're applying with our humongous expenditure of resources. And just another reminder that jail is really expensive. It costs a whole lot of money. The criminal, just our entire criminal legal system is a really, really costly system. So we do have a lot of resources available - we continue to make choices to spend them on lawyers, on jailing people, on all of the people and buildings and apparatus to support that. And when we actually have tons of data that that does not fix this problem - in fact, it is likely to make it worse. And so if we are focused on data-driven approaches, that is what is clearly being indicated - what we have a long track record locally that we can draw on that proves that, but certainly also looking nationally - so much data to back that up. We will have to see. The last thing I wanted to talk about was a story that came out this week - David Kroman wrote about it in the Times - with Harrell postponing Seattle Police Department's plan to crack down on disorderly conduct at Third Avenue bus stops. The police department was looking at using the City's criminal code regulating disorderly conduct on buses - things like smoking, playing loud music, littering, drinking alcohol, "loud raucous and harassing behavior" and other conduct that is inconsistent with the intended use and purpose of the transit facility, transit station or transit vehicle. These have often not been cited. We will put it in the episode notes - there's actually an article I need to track down by a bus driver that I thought was really thoughtful. And it does seem like it is a fact that there is more disruptive activity happening on buses than there was before. This bus driver was thoughtful and like, yeah, this is happening - and also there are lots of reasons why it's happening, and there are lots of reasons why taking a criminalizing approach may not be helpful, why taking a different kind of the law and order thing or just kicking people off buses may not be helpful. It's a complicated thing to solve. We do need to acknowledge that driver safety is important, that rider safety is important, but also have the lens that if we want to address this problem - again, like the conversation we just had - simply arresting and jailing someone actually doesn't fix and solve the problem. A lot of times this is a result and a symptom of failures in so many other places of people not having access to mental health treatment that they need, of substance use disorder treatment that they need, public health problems that we actually don't have those facilities for. What is your view on this, and on Mayor Harrell's decision to actually step in and postpone it? [00:44:34] Nicole Thomas-Kennedy: I think it's interesting because again, like as we already talked about, it's not a solution. There's lots of reasons for why these things are happening and it's not because there's lax enforcement. First of all, there is enforcement on buses - I've had many bus cases myself and there is some degree of enforcement. Is that something that's going to - or has that been working? Is it going to continue to work? Is the scope of the problem in a lack of enforcement? And it doesn't really seem to be. Like you said, there's lots of reasons that these things are happening. And when we're talking about mental health, addiction, housing - all of these things - addressing these things are going to help with those issues, but that's not what we put money towards. We just keep throwing it at this system that is not working. It's interesting to me that it was walked back - they're putting that on pause. And I wonder is that because they realize - oh, that's actually not going to make that much of a difference - but there's also the fact that buses and bus shelters are not under the City's jurisdiction. Those are county issues, so maybe that was not known - I don't know - beforehand. But when the City talks about cracking down on things going on on the buses, they don't have the jurisdiction to do that. So that could be one reason why it got walked back as well. [00:46:10] Crystal Fincher: Yeah. That's really interesting because - very clearly talking about enforcing things on buses - which yes, there is a jurisdiction issue there - but it also looks like they were planning to take action within 25 feet of transit stops. Is that defined as - technically the stop facility - or is there, I guess that's a really technical and wonky question, but I could totally imagine, to your point, that there are jurisdictional questions. [00:46:49] Nicole Thomas-Kennedy: Yeah, I don't know what that - I have not looked that up. No, I think that's under City jurisdiction - that would be under City jurisdiction. Yeah. Just not anything on a bus - I don't think would be. But yeah, I would have to look that up, but I do think that would be the City still. It just depends - there's different parts of the City, like when - I won't go into jurisdictional issues, because no one wants to talk about those things for long periods of time - but they don't have as much control. Let me just say - they don't have as much control over things going on on a bus as they think they do. If someone's committing a felony on the bus, then SPD could potentially get involved, but it's still - it's going to be prosecuted by the county. And if it's misdemeanors, the misdemeanors on a bus are also going to be prosecuted by the county, because of county - see, I could go on, it could be a really long time. [00:47:47] Crystal Fincher: Well, I just learned something because I did not know that misdemeanors committed on a bus would be prosecuted by the county and not city. Very interesting - these discussions are very interesting. But I think overall we'll just keep our eyes peeled on it and continue to update on it. Just another quick update in terms of the concrete workers strike - there was talk this week about some of them potentially returning to some job sites as a show of good faith and an attempt to lessen the impact on the greater community. That seems to have had mixed results and a mixed outcome where some talked about returning, others didn't. One particular company looked like workers were willing to return and the company was unwilling to let them work again. But again, we've seen city and county leaders say that they want a quick resolution and that this is impacting various projects around the county, but also workers need fair conditions. And the workers are saying, hey, they're asking us - when you consider inflation - to take a hit to our salary, to healthcare benefits, and to our pension - it's across the board. And companies saying, but we're technically offering more money than we did before and so it should all be good. And still not doing much to come to the table and participating in this activity - hoping that public pressure just forces the workers back and they can just ride out the storm and do nothing, and hope that public pressure does some negotiating on their behalf. So we will continue to follow it - the county, we had talked about before, had tried to issue an RFP to other companies to try and work around this and have greater protections for unionization and worker conditions. And that - no one responded to that RFP actually, so we seem to just be in this position - and unless there is some specific call or pressure, it seems like - on the companies to negotiate in better faith and to move closer to the workers, it looks like we're going to be stuck in this position for quite some time. So we will continue to see how that unfolds. And again, I thank you for listening to Hacks & Wonks on today, Friday, March 18th, 2022. The producer of Hacks & Wonks is Lisl Stadler, assistant producer Shannon Cheng, with assistance from Emma Mudd. And our wonderful co-host today is criminal defense attorney, abolitionist and activist, Nicole Thomas-Kennedy. You can find Nicole on Twitter @ntkallday, and you should be following Nicole. You can find me on Twitter @finchfrii. Now you can follow Hacks & Wonks on iTunes, Spotify, or wherever else you get your podcast - just type "Hacks and Wonks" into the search bar. Be sure to subscribe to get our Friday almost-live shows and our midweek show delivered to your podcast feed. If you like us, leave us a review wherever you listen to Hacks & Wonks. You can also get a full transcript of this episode and links to the resources referenced on the show at officialhacksandwonks.com and in the episode notes. Thanks for tuning in. Talk to you next time.

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Former ABC reporter and international correspondent, Zoe Daniel (pictured) has nominated as an independent candidate for the Federal Seat of Goldstein and brings a special interest in climate change. More information about Zoe and her campaign can be found at her website: "Independent for Goldstein, Zoe Daniel". Other Quick Climate Links for today are: "Breathtaking wilderness in the heart of coal country: after a 90-year campaign, Gardens of Stone is finally protected"; "‘Storybook of nature': a landmark win as Gardens of Stone in NSW's Blue Mountains protected"; "About The Gardens of Stone Alliance"; "Nation's first commercial green hydrogen station set for Melbourne"; "Farmer blasts Powercor, Energy Safe Victoria for legal backdown over St Patrick's Day bushfires"; "Global push for green steel could hit Australia's $150bn iron ore exports if miners don't adapt, report finds"; "Snapchat's Gen Z user base getting augmented reality look at Great Barrier Reef"; "Project Symphony: First big trial to “orchestrate” rooftop solar and battery storage"; "Wettest November in 100 years for many places in Queensland, and La Niña will ensure the rain continues over summer"; "Steel's path to go green will cost industry up to $278 billion"; "ExxonMobil aims to double profits on restrained spending"; "We have to urgently reduce emissions and already have the technology to do it"; "Do La Niña's rains mean boom or bust for Australian farmers?"; "For both anti-coal protesters and police, 'locking on' to trains and rail lines is fraught with danger"; "All round benefits of NZ adopting a circular economy"; "Putting economics to good use"; "Apple: 'We don't want to debate climate change. We want to stop it."; "Saving History With Sandbags: Climate Change Threatens the Smithsonian"; "What Will It Take for Electric Vehicles to Create Jobs, Not Cut Them?"; "Hunt for the ‘Blood Diamond of Batteries' Impedes Green Energy Push"; "Coal use to peak in 2026 as renewables surge past forecasts"; "Venus could have been a paradise but turned into a hellscape. Earthlings, pay attention."; "Rising sun: renewables to dominate new power capacity through 2026 -IEA"; "Prepare for more extreme weather, Britons warned in wake of Storm Arwen"; "Essex mega-prisons pose threat to rare wildlife, warn environmentalists"; "The rising cost of the climate crisis in flooded South Sudan – in pictures". Enjoy "Music for a Warming World". Support the show: https://www.patreon.com/climateconversations

Philip Luke Johnson is a Political Science Ph.D. candidate at the CUNY Graduate Center. He is also a lecturer in the undergraduate writing program at Princeton University. His dissertation research is supported by fellowships from the Graduate Center, The Harry Frank Guggenheim Foundation, and the Center for U.S.-Mexican Studies at the University of California, San Diego. He has published articles about his research on the Guantánamo Bay prison in Critical Military Studies and the online magazine Critical Violence at a Glance, with a post titled “What Will It Take to End Indefinite Detention at Guantánamo Bay?” He previously wrote about terrorism and organized crime in Mexico in Perspectives on Terrorism. Johnson discussed his research in Mexico on episode 78 of The Thought Project podcast. This week, Johnson joins The Thought Project to discuss the military tribunal at Guantánamo Bay of five men accused of aiding the 9/11 attacks. The Guantánamo Bay prison was established under controversial terms: The U.S. government declared that the U.S. Constitution did not apply to those being put on trial. Johnson believes that this extralegal history undermines the legitimacy of the tribunals. He argues that the indefinite detention of accused terrorists serves neither the interests of the U.S. government nor the legal concerns of those detained. Listen to this Thought Project conversation about the crimes that took place on 9/11 and their aftermath 20 years later.

Alex sits down with Randy Altschuler, the CEO and co-founder of Xometry. Xometry is a publicly traded on-demand industrial parts marketplace based in Derwood, Maryland. Xometry's platform connects customers like BMW, NASA, Bosch, Dell and General Electric with contract manufacturers, which are often small domestic machine shops. The two discuss the founding of Xometry, contraction of manufacturing in the United States, and how the team at Xometry plans to scale the platform with its growing customers. 00:00 - Subscribe for Tech & Business News Daily 00:41 - Founding Xometry 02:52 - Using AI to Price Custom Products 06:21 - Xometry GMV vs Revenue 07:51 - Xometry's $260 Billion Market 10:17 - Approach to Corporate Development 12:04 - Growth of 3D Printing 14:14 - How Xometry is Solving the Chicken and Egg Problem 16:01 - Solving Supply Chain Issues During COVID 19:24 - International Supply Chain Complications 22:52 - Xometry Impact Fund Initiatives 24:42 - What Will It Take to Bring Manfufacturing Back to the U.S.? 31:52 - Large Scale Production on Xometry 34:52 - Supporting Small U.S. Manufacturers 36:46 - Closing Remarks Originally Aired: 08/27/21

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"We deserve to live peaceably as neighbors," says Jeff Deist, "even if that means breaking up and creating new political entities." The divisions in our society are undeniable. Is it possible that making them official is the best way forward?Jeff's article "What Will It Take for Americans to Consider Breaking Up?" is here.(The audio version of the article is here.)You can read some of the best writing on liberty and economics at the Mises Institute, here.

The killing of George Floyd by Minneapolis police has sparked a nationwide rebellion against the police and global solidarity efforts. One of the most striking developments is the announcement on Sunday, June 7 by a majority of Minneapolis City Council members that they intend to dismantle the city's police department. In Episode 77 of the Ex-Worker—the first in a series covering the Minneapolis uprising and its national and global implications—we return to the question of abolishing the police. The episode kicks off with our reflections from these unprecedented first two weeks of rebellion, then shares an essay exploring the question we're all asking: What Will it Take to Stop the Police From Killing? Next, we share an anonymous report on the siege of the Third Precinct in Minneapolis, analyzing how a diverse “compositional” crowd was able to defeat the police. An anarchist from Minneapolis who attended the rally where the City Council declared their intention to end the police department shares their take on the background and context leading to the announcement and how abolitionist organizers, rioters, artists, and others joined forces to make abolition imaginable. We conclude with our thoughts about how the struggle against police might unfold beyond Minneapolis in the months to come. Stay tuned for more episodes soon on the Minneapolis uprising, June 11th, and prisoner struggles, international solidarity with the rebellions, and more! {June 10th, 2020}   -------SHOW NOTES------   Table of Contents: Introduction {0:01} Essay: What Will it Take to Stop the Police From Killing? {10:49} Analysis: The Siege of the Third Precinct in Minneapolis {30:57} PSA: Staying Safe at Street Actions {53:50} Interview: A Minneapolis Anarchist on the City's Plan to Dismantle the Police {55:55} The Path Forward to Abolish the Police {1:08:45} Conclusion {1:17:44} This episode draws on the essay “What Will It Take to Stop the Police From Killing?” and the account and analysis “The Siege of the Third Precinct in Minneapolis.” We also played a PSA on Staying Safe at Street Actions from the Channel Zero Network. If you want to actually watch the Third Precinct as it succumbs to the wrath of the people, there's no better source than the Unicorn Riot livestream (Day 3, Thursday evening, from about 1:14:30 onwards). The Ex-Worker Podcast first tackled the question of abolishing the police in Episode Five, “Still Not Lovin' the Police” and Episode , “Making Police Obsolete”, during our very first year as a show. Check them out and see what you think; is the analysis still relevant? What has changed since 2013 in our perception of the police and our movements challenging their power? We also covered previous anti-police uprisings in Ferguson, Baltimore, and beyond in Episode 27, “Anti-Police Riots in Ferguson”; Episode 32, “White Supremacy and Capitalism, From 1492 to Ferguson”; and Episode 40, “Struggles Against White Supremacy and Police Since Ferguson”. Check out The Uprise Daily, an exciting new audio project offering a daily rundown of protests and ongoing rebellion in response to police killings. Also check out the excellent coverage of the rebellions from other anarchist podcasts, including The Final Straw, featuring interviews with medics, abolitionists, mutual aid workers, and other participants; It's Going Down's podcast on Rebellion, Counter-Insurgency and Cracks within the Ruling Class as well as their This Is America podcast episode From Pandemic to Uprising; and also SoleCast, with reports from Denver, Minneapolis, Eugene, New York City, and Portland. Lots more to come! Check out this comprehensive list of bail funds for protestors across the country compiled by the Community Justice Exchange's National Bail Fund Network. Prisoner birthdays and updates on prison struggles coming in our next episode about June 11th, the international day of solidarity for long-term anarchist prisoners!  

Visit us at http://chapterandverse.poetry.blog Welcome to Chapter and Verse, a chapter by chapter reflection on the Book of Mormon through poetry, as a way to strengthen your personal and family Gospel study with a focus on the Come, Follow Me curriculum. One chapter, one verse. Today we have a text based on Helaman 9, “What Will It Take to Plant Faith's Seed?“.

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Are you in love with your life?  My friend Tiffany Peterson is a powerhouse in the arena of empowering women. She's a speaker, a coach and self-prescribed LIFE LOVER. She believes that we're all destined for greatness and joy. She is dedicated to giving people real skills and tools to guide them in creating their most thriving, rich and beautiful life. So, the question, "Are you in love with your life?" is always a "YES" if you are in love with YOURSELF. Is this selfish? Self-aggrandizing? Weird? NO!  Listen in on our wonderful discussion, What Will It Take to Actually Love Yourself. In this episode: Why "the person with the most ENERGY wins" (We are in an Energy Economy) Consistent and practical Self-Care --- why everything you seek and want hinges on it! How do you actually become your own Best Friend? Self-Worth vs. Self-Confidence She talks about how Progress=Happiness and how investing in your mind and spirit is your BEST investment...ever. Tiffany has a free Self-Care Guide on her website https://tiffanyspeaks.com/  She always has cool events and programs launching~! Check out the full episode page here. Follow Cherie on Facebook. I (Cherie) am launching two online courses THIS WEEK!!! The Emotional Wholeness Master Class and The 22 Day Depression Cleanse.  Now through the end of April, get them as a buy-one-get-one free, two-for-one bundle HERE.   ABOUT: Cherie Burton is a mom of 6, author, international speaker, emotional healing expert, business leader and Women Seeking Wholeness Podcast Host. She specializes in the science and spirituality of emotions and sensory integration; a "whole soul" approach.   Cherie has degrees in psychology and sociology and has worked as a counselor in the fields of mental health and addiction.  She is a former Mrs. Utah and coaches females of all ages in private mentoring programs, retreats and online courses.  Cherie runs a large international wellness organization and travels the globe, empowering audiences with knowledge and tools to heal their emotions, find their calling, and receive wholeness. Cherie is launching two online courses: The Emotional Wholeness Master Class and The 22 Day Depression Cleanse.  Get them now, through the end of April, as a two-for-one bundle HERE.   She is the author of two e-books, “Where Depression Ends and You Begin: 4 Passages to  Discovery”; and “True and Lasting Change--4 Ways to Break Through Fear.” Her Stand Speak Shine programs provide women with retreats and mentoring programs to empower them to heal, express and create.   Her book, If She Could Speak, will be released in early 2020. Meet her at www.cherieburton.com  

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Marianne Schnall is a widely published writer and interviewer whose works have appeared in a variety of media outlets including O, The Oprah Magazine, TIME.com, CNN.com, the Women's Media Center, and many others. Marianne is a featured blogger at The Huffington Post and a contributor to the nationally syndicated NPR radio show, 51 Percent: The Women's Perspective. She is also the founder and Executive Director of Feminist.com, a leading women's website and nonprofit organization and the co-founder of EcoMall.com. She is the author of Daring to Be Ourselves: Influential Women Share Insights on Courage, Happiness and Finding Your Own Voice and What Will It Take to Make A Woman President?: Conversations About Women, Leadership and Power. Marianne strives to raise awareness and inspire activism around important issues and causes.  Visit http://www.marianneschnall.com & https://womanpresidentbook.com Get the Off the Grid Into the Heart CD by Sister Jenna.  Like America Meditating on FB & follow us on Twitter.  Visit our website at www.meditationmuseum.org.  Download our free Pause for Peace App for Apple or Android 

Join Elaine for a conversation with Marianne Schnall, pioneer in online content, author, journalist and consummate interviewer. Nealy 20 years ago, Marianne founded feminist.com an online platform whose mission it was, and still is, to bring women's issues to the public. Marianne is the author of Daring to Be Ourselves, and What Will It Take to Make a Woman President. Her candor, her insights and the depth and breadth of the women she has interviewed is staggering. You won't want to miss this conversation.

Marianne Schnall on her new book, "What Will It Take..." for a woman president. Other guests: pundit Sally Kohn, and Farida Allaghi on Libyan women today. Plus, rapists' paternal rights?!? Robin roots for Saudi women drivers, praises a UN resolution, and has at the Mormons.

Evangelist Lewis – What Will It Take?

Evangelist Lewis – What Will It Take?

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