Original song written and composed by Kurt Cobain, Dave Grohl, Krist Novoselic
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John Mulaney's bold case for inducting Weird Al Yankovic into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Mulaney credits Weird Al's parody “Smells Like Nirvana” for introducing him to Nirvana's iconic “Smells Like Teen Spirit,” sparking a debate about the parody legend's influence on music and culture. Jeff and Jeremy break down Weird Al's chart-topping success, sold-out tours, and undeniable impact, comparing him to this year's Hall of Fame inductees like The White Stripes, Soundgarden, Outkast, Cyndi Lauper, Joe Cocker, Chubby Checker, and Bad Company. Is Weird Al more deserving than some of these icons? Jeff and Jeremy weigh the pros and cons, reminiscing about Al's hilarious costume changes, radio fake-outs with hits like “Eat It,” and his unique ability to transform serious songs into comedic gold. Tune in for a fun, nostalgic discussion on whether the king of parody belongs in the Hall—and why Mulaney's Rolling Stone shoutout might just make it happen!
In this episode of the Behind The song podcast, Janda unpacks Nirvana's “Smells Like Teen Spirit,” the song that defined an entire generation. From the enigmatic lyrics to the raw energy that served as an antidote to the excess of the 80's, get into how this song's impact can't be overstated, why it remains timeless and how it revolutionized rock music. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Delivering an exhilarating hard dance and techno mix, Shanti Clasing was at the helm of our WaterWays celebration as day turned to night! The set is packed with heart-pounding IDs, originals, and cuts from artists like ASY*S, GRAVEDGR, Junkie Kid, and Maddix, along with remixes of classics like "Gangsta's Paradise" and "Smells Like Teen Spirit."
Enter the Heart-Shaped Box of trivia. Play. Share. Listen with the Founder of Tetris and author of The Perfect Game Tetris: From Russia With Love, Henk Rogers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Haim comparten otro de los adelantos de su nuevo disco, una canción introspectiva titulada “Everybody’s Trying to Figure Me Out”, que es la favorita de Danielle Haim porque dice que componerla le ha ayudado a superar momentos difíciles. Escuchamos la transformación que The Low Flying Panick Attack han hecho de "Smells Like Teen Spirit", un viaje extremo que fusiona la electrónica, el jungle y el drum and bass pero sin perder la esencia y la intensidad de la original de Nirvana. Suena también la canción que titula el nuevo disco de Scowl, "Are We All Angels", un álbum muy influido precísamente por Nirvana y Hole, entre otas bandas. BLONDIE - Call MeNAT SIMONS - Big Bang (feat. Anni B Sweet)RUFUS T FIREFLY - La PlazaREPION ft SHEGO - El Día No Me DaBON IVER ft DANIELLE HAIM - If Only I Could WaitHAIM - Everybody's Trying To Figure Me OutL.A. - HealerDjo - Gap Tooth SmileTHE LOW FLIYING PANICK ATTACK - Smells like teen spiritNIRVANA - Come As You AreSCOWL - Are We All AngelsVEINTIUNO - Nuestra parte de nocheMARCOS FRANZ - BesosBANDALOS CHINOS - Comando JuntarCOLECTIVO DA SILVA - Dar DosJUNGLE ft ROOTS MANUVA - You Ain't No CelebrityALCALÁ NORTE - 1000Escuchar audio
Empezamos la semana sumergiéndonos en dos discos que acaban de salir y que ya se sitúan entre nuestros favoritos de la temporada: por un lado,'La balada de Delirio y Equilibrio', de Veintiuno, y por otro, 'Gigante', de Leiva. Además, escuchamos la sorprendente versión que The Low Flying Panic Attack han grabado de 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' de Nirvana, y te traemos las últimas novedades de Djo, GRMLN, Bandalos Chinos, Sleigh Bells, Colectivo Da Silva, Vera Fauna y La Milagrosa, y las versiones que han hecho Alcalá Norte y Carolina Durante para 'Super H', el álbum homenaje al 'Super 8' de Los Planetas. Playlist:DJO - LinkPOST ANIMAL - No More SportsGRMLN - The Breaking LineFINN WOLFHARD - Choose the latterLEIVA - Shock y adrenalinaLEIVA - BarrioVEINTIUNO - La la landVEINTIUNO - ComplicidadCOLECTIVO DA SILVA - La Luna y el Sol (feat. Isla de Caras)BANDALOS CHINOS - El ritmoPOLO & PAN - Disco Nap (feat. Metronomy)THE LOW FLYING PANIC ATTACK - The NobodiesTHE LOW FLYING PANIC ATTACK - Smells Like Teen SpiritNIRVANA - In BloomLINKIN PARK - Up From the BottomSLEIGH BELLS - BadlyTUNDE ADEBIMPE - MagneticBLOC PARTY - HelicopterPELIGRO! - Calle PlataREPION - Qué hay de ti? (con Cora Yako)RUFUS T. FIREFLY - La plazaVERA FAUNA - No me digas la verdad (feat. Noni Meyers)LORI MEYERS - Alta fidelidadMELIFLUO - CalaveraLA MILAGROSA - TripitirALCALÁ NORTE - 10k ('Super H'. Homenaje al 'Super 8' de Los Planetas)CAROLINA DURANTE - De viaje ('Super H'. Homenaje al 'Super 8' de Los Planetas)SEXY ZEBRAS - MarisolEscuchar audio
Le 5 avril 1994, Kurt Cobain se donnait la mort avec un fusil de chasse. Il sera découvert trois jours plus tard par un électricien venu installer une alarme anti-intrusion. Écoutons le premier tube de Nirvana, emblème de toute une génération : "Smells Like Teen Spirit". Ecoutez Le tube de la matinale avec Vincent Perrot du 05 avril 2025.Distribué par Audiomeans. Visitez audiomeans.fr/politique-de-confidentialite pour plus d'informations.
Join our hosts: Coco Vandeweghe, Steve Weissman, and Paul Annacone. In this episode we will go over — The King Novak working to make more history, as he is just one match away from his 100th title. And it smells like teen spirit in the other semi-final with Fritz and Mensik, as Mensik takes out the top American. Stay tuned as we follow Jessica Pegula and Aryna Sabalenka going head-to-head again for a title on US soil. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
La revolución del grunge no se entiende sin Nirvana. Con su crudeza emocional y su energía visceral, la banda de Kurt Cobain marcó a toda una generación y cambió el rumbo del rock para siempre. En el episodio 10 de la temporada 7 de Behind The Songs, Jesús Martínez y Gerardo Ortega exploran el trasfondo de cinco himnos que definieron una era. Desde la melancólica despedida en All Apologies hasta la intensidad de Smells Like Teen Spirit, pasando por la inquietante Come As You Are, la catártica Lithium y la enigmática interpretación de The Man Who Sold The World, cada canción es una ventana a la compleja mente de Cobain y a la esencia del grunge.Más que música, Nirvana dejó un legado imborrable que sigue resonando en cada riff y en cada verso cargado de angustia y autenticidad. ¿Qué hay detrás de estos himnos? ¿Cómo lograron capturar el espíritu de una generación? Descúbrelo en este especial lleno de historia, rebeldía y distorsión.
Send us a textEpisode 170You're born into a world you don't quite fit into. Aberdeen, Washington—blue-collar, gray skies, a town where dreams don't stretch much further than the sawmill. You're just a kid, quiet and sensitive, drawing pictures and listening to music. Then your parents split, and it shatters something inside you. You start to feel like you don't belong anywhere—not at home, not at school, not in your own skin.But then you hear music. The Beatles at first, then punk rock—loud, raw, unapologetic. It feels like someone has finally put words and sound to all the anger and pain boiling inside you. You pick up a guitar and teach yourself to play. It's not about being good; it's about feeling something, anything. You find a friend in Krist Novoselic, and together, you start a band. You call it Nirvana.For a while, it's simple. You're playing shows in dive bars, hauling your own gear, and living off scraps. It's dirty, exhausting, but real. You write songs about the things that gnaw at you—the hypocrisy of society, the weight of expectations, the deep ache you can't seem to escape. The words come easily because they're yours, ripped straight from your soul.Then comes Nevermind. You record it, not expecting much, and suddenly, the whole world is listening. “Smells Like Teen Spirit” blows up, and now everyone knows your name. They call you the voice of a generation, but you don't want to be anyone's voice. You don't even know how to speak for yourself half the time. The fame feels like a prison, the adoration suffocating. People want pieces of you—your music, your words, your pain—but you don't have enough of yourself to give.You find some escape in heroin. It numbs the physical pain—the chronic stomach issues no one can diagnose—but it also drowns out the noise in your head. You marry Courtney Love, and together, you burn bright and fast. She's as chaotic as you are, and you love her fiercely, even when the world tries to tear you both apart. When your daughter, Frances Bean, is born, you want to be better for her. But the darkness is always there, dragging you down.By the time In Utero comes out in 1993, you're exhausted. The album is raw and jagged, a deliberate rejection of the polished success of Nevermind. You want to tell the world, “This is who I am, not what you want me to be.” But the world doesn't listen. They keep asking for more, and you have nothing left to give.In the spring of 1994, you try to escape—to find peace, or maybe just silence. Rome, then Seattle. You write a note. You pick up a shotgun. And then, it's over.But you're still here, aren't you? In the music, in the words. Every time someone plays Nevermind or sings along to “All Apologies,” they're listening to you. And maybe, in some way, you've found what you were searching for all along: to be heard, to be understood, even if it's too late for you to hear it.Music:Smells Like Teen SpiritAll ApologiesSupport the showInsta@justpassingthroughpodcastContact:justpassingthroughpodcast@gmail.comArtwork @digitalnomadicart on Insta
In this episode of Friends Talking Nerdy, Professor Aubrey and Tim the Nerd reflect on their favorite tunes, holiday traditions, and a memorable concert experience: Top Songs of 2024: Professor Aubrey and Tim the Nerd reveal their 5 most listened-to tracks of the year, as compiled by YouTube Music. Their playlists span various genres, featuring songs like Balls To The Wall by Accept, Girls Just Want To Have Fun by Cyndi Lauper, Smells Like Teen Spirit by Nirvana, Now And Then by The Beatles, and Lose Yourself To Dance by Daft Punk. They delve into why these songs resonated with them in 2024. Holiday Cheer: Professor Aubrey shares heartwarming stories about her Christmas gifts from her Tennessee family and her culinary adventures over the holidays, including baking an impressive array of cookies and pastries. Cyndi Lauper Farewell Tour: Tim the Nerd recounts his experience attending Cyndi Lauper's Farewell Tour in Portland, Oregon. He highlights both the challenges of concert etiquette, such as obstructive audience members, and the inspiring moments, including Cyndi Lauper's advocacy for women's and LGBTQ rights. Tim the Nerd discusses how Cyndi uses her platform to support her Girls Just Want To Have Fundamental Rights Fund, leaving a lasting impression with her powerful message. Tune in for music, holiday stories, and an inspiring conversation about making a difference! As always, we wish to thank Christopher Lazarek for his wonderful theme song. Head to his website for information on how to purchase his EP, Here's To You, which is available on all digital platforms. Head to Friends Talking Nerdy's website for more information on where to find us online.
This week, we are joined by New Zealand musician & composer LUKASZ PAWEL BUDA (Hunt For The Wilderpeople; The Phoenix Foundation), who picked the Dave Markey music documentary 1991: THE YEAR PUNK BROKE to discuss. We talk about discovering Nirvana & Sonic Youth, what it's like for Luke to compose music for director Taika Waititi's films, 1991's director Dave Markey's history with SST records, Luke taking the teenage trek to see grunge bands live and does Pearl Jam count as a grunge band, how this movement captured in the film eventually became a world wide sensation, the Sonic Youth Goo VHS tape, Thurston's stream of conciousness rants in the movie, the start of documenting everything with film & video, how Sonic Youth did not come off as goofballs on their albums but did in their videos, Meat Puppets Up On The Sun, the Sub-Pop situation, selling out, Jawbreaker, what was selling out in New Zealand like, Flying Nun Records, Bad Moon Rising, the ceiling of the underground, Nirvana's Bleach, hearing Smells Like Teen Spirit for the first time, Chris's Sub-Pop band playing with Mudhoney and Nirvana the day their album went gold, seeing Sonic Youth wearing shorts, The Crucifucks, Steve Shelley's drumming, Markey's knack of knowing where to film at any given moment, the incredible coolness of Kim Gordon, how the film gloriously shows how Sonic Youth actually made these songs come to life, how impressive it is that Sonic Youth could still hold onto what made them singualr while moving into a more accessable world, Miles Davis' Bitches Brew, how Nirvana ecplised Sonic Youth's popularity by the time this film came out, Courtney Love, the overwhelming Redding Festival lineup that year, how the Super 8mm format enhanced the film, blind spots in musical cultutre, The Pixies and the melancholy that happens as your tour ends.So grab the tiny mic and scream straight into the camera on this week's episode of Revolutions Per Movie!!!LUKASZ PAWEL BUDA:https://thephoenixfoundation.bandcamp.comhttps://www.monikermusic.nethttps://lukebuda1.bandcamp.com/REVOLUTIONS PER MOVIE:Host Chris Slusarenko (Eyelids, Guided By Voices, owner of Clinton Street Video rental store) is joined by actors, musicians, comedians, writers & directors who each week pick out their favorite music documentary, musical, music-themed fiction film or music videos to discuss. Fun, weird, and insightful, Revolutions Per Movie is your deep dive into our life-long obsessions where music and film collide.The show is also a completely independent affair, so the best way to support it is through our Patreon at patreon.com/revolutionspermovie. By joining, you can get weekly bonus episodes, physical goods such as Flexidiscs, and other exclusive goods.Revolutions Per Movies releases new episodes every Thursday on any podcast app, and additional, exclusive bonus episodes every Sunday on our Patreon. If you like the show, please consider subscribing, rating, and reviewing it on your favorite podcast app. Thanks!SOCIALS:@revolutionspermovieX, BlueSky: @revpermovieTHEME by Eyelids 'My Caved In Mind'www.musicofeyelids.bandcamp.com ARTWORK by Jeff T. Owenshttps://linktr.ee/mymetalhand Click here to get EXCLUSIVE BONUS WEEKLY Revolutions Per Movie content on our Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Ah yes, a classic episode lol ~~~~ 1. Bliss (28 August 1999 - Holmdel, NJ) 2. Pancake (20 November 2002 - Montreal, QUE) 3. Sweet Sangria (4 March 2003 - Durham, NH) 4. Starling (7 September 2009 - Birmingham, ENG) 5. Parasol (27 June 2007 - Graz, AUS) 6. Addition of Light Divided (9 April 2023 - Bremen, GER) 7. Past the Mission (29 September 1999 - Dallas, TX) 8. Wednesday (19 March 2003 - Erie, PA) 9. Apollo's Frock (21 June 2005 - Berlin, GER) 10. Smells Like Teen Spirit (13 August 2009 - New York City, NY) 11. Suzanne (14 June 2014 - St Petersburg, RUS) 12. Little Earthquakes (23 July 1998 - Detroit, MI) 13. Not David Bowie (16 November 2007 - Orlando, FL) 14. Cruel (13 June 2007 - Copenhagen, DEN) 15. Police Me (29 July 2009 - Miami, FL) 16. Spring Haze (5 December 2002 - Denver, CO) 17. Black Swan (19 September 1996 - Bloomington, IN) 18. This Old Man (16 September 1996 - Akron, OH) 19. Putting the Damage On (13 March 1996 - Portsmouth, ENG) 20. Sweet the Sting (19 June 2005 - Copenhagen, DEN) 21. Tear In Your Hand (29 July 2014 - Dallas, TX) 22. Twinkle (30 September 1999 - Houston, TX)
PopaHALLics #133 "Martha My Dear—NOT!"A new documentary fails to make Martha Stewart sympathetic, in Kate's view. We also discuss season 2 of "The Diplomat" and "Colin from Accounts," a Pulitzer Prize-winning novel, and books about therapy, a cult, and a "normal" serial killer. Yikes.Streaming:"Martha," Netflix. This documentary directed by Jay Cutler traces Martha Stewart's rise from working-class roots to pop culture icon, through interviews and Stewart's private archives of diaries, letters, and footage."The Diplomat," Netflix. Season 2 follows the personal and professional aftermath of the ship attack and car bombing. Kate (Keri Russell) and Hal (Rufus Sewell) begin to suspect the Brits are after the wrong suspects."Colin from Accounts," Prime and Paramount +. The delightful Aussie rom-com returns, with Ash (Harriet Dyer) and Gordon (Patrick Brammall) moving in together but uncertain whether they really want a relationship or just a dog.Books: "Demon Copperhead," by Barbara Kingsolver. This acclaimed novel moves Charles Dickens' "David Copperfield" story to modern Appalachia, casting its eye on the foster system, child labor, the opioid crisis, and other ills."Maybe You Should Talk to Someone: A Therapist, HER Therapist, and Our Lives Revealed," by Lisa Gottlieb. This "hilarious, thought-provoking" book explores one therapist's search for answers as both clinician and patient when she has a personal crisis. "Normal," by Graeme Cameron. A charming, seemingly ordinary guy happens to be a serial killer who kidnaps young women and holds them captive in a secret basement. As his world threatens to collapse, you may find yourself rooting for him in this darkly funny thriller."Dinner for Vampires: LIfe on a Cult TV Show (While also in an Actual Cult!)," by Bethany Joy Lenz. When the "One Tree Hill" star joined a Bible study group, she had no clue it was associated with a cult.Music: We love Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit." Know who else does? Paul Anka ("Put Your Head on My Shoulder," "Having My Baby"). Anka's cover of "Smells Like Teen Spirit" swings, baby! Enjoy.
Fáilte ar ais chuig eagrán nua de Ar An Lá Seo ar an 28ú lá de mí na Samhna, liomsa Lauren Ní Loingsigh. I 1999 tháinig a lán daoine cáiliúla chuig Dún Dealgan chun ómós a thabhairt chuig Jean Corr. Fuair Jean Corr bás I Newcastle nuair a bhí sí ag fanacht I gcóir trasphlandú scamhóige. I 2000 bhí Bill Clinton cinnte go mbeidh sé ag taisteal chuig Éirinn roimh an Nollaig, an tríú cuairt chuig Éirinn I cúig bliana. Cheap daoine go n-úsáidfidh Bill Clinton an chuairt chun cabhrú leis an phróiseas síochána. I 1998 bhí Seamus Power ón chontae an chéad lúthchleasaí chun an idirchontae náisiúnta a buachaint don cheathrú uair I gcomharbacht. I 2000 bhí an tsochraid de Patrick Whelan ar siúil I Toomevara. Fuair sé bás in ospidéal Cahercalla. Bhí sé mar shagart I gCill Dalua do 49 bhliain. Sin Leann Rimes le Can't Fight The Moonlight – an t-amhrán is mó ar an lá seo I 2000. Ag lean ar aghaidh le nuacht cheoil ar an lá seo I 1991 rinne Nirvana taifead don chlár teilifís Top Of The Pops I Londain. Chuireadh cheist orthu chun beol bheachtaigh a dhéanamh do Smells Like Teen Spirit. De bharr sin rinne Kurt Cobain agóid ag canadh ochtach níos lú. I 1992 shroich Whitney Houston uimhir a haon ar na cairteacha I Meiriceá lena amhrán I Will Always Love You ón scannán The Bodyguard. Scríobh Dolly Parton an t-amhrán. Agus ar deireadh breithlá daoine cáiliúla ar an lá seo rugadh Sonia O Sullivan I Corcaigh I 1969 agus rugadh amhránaí Randy Newman I gCalifornia I 1943 agus seo chuid de a amhrán. Beidh mé ar ais libh amárach le heagrán nua de Ar An Lá Seo.
MUSICOasis have announced the North American dates on their reunion tour.If you had the craving to watch Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video or Adele's clip for "Hello," you can't do that right now on YouTube. But you can watch an elderly man smash an autographed Taylor Swift guitar after spending $4,000 to buy it at a Texas charity auction.BTW: Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce are still going strong despite missing his last two NFL games. Dave Grohl was spotted for the first time since he revealed that he welcomed a baby daughter outside of his marriage to wife Jordyn Blum. Tool are selling a new 30th anniversary deluxe CD edition of Undertow through their website. For $250 you'll get the original album packaged in an oversized bound booklet featuring photography based around a sculpture by Vahan Bego. It also comes with a commemorative coin based on the sculpture.RIP: Original ANVIL Guitarist DAVE ALLISON Dies At 68 after a battle with cancer.TVA competition series called "Roller Jam" is hitting Max on Thursday, October 10th.The stakes are higher than ever on the new reality series, Buy It NowMOVING ON INTO MOVIE NEWS:Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell have been together since 1983 and now we know it's because they have really good sex.AND FINALLYBuzzfeed put together a list of 27 bizarre movie facts that sound fake but are 100% true. Whether you think that assessment is a little overdramatic or not, they ARE interesting. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
MUSIC Oasis have announced the North American dates on their reunion tour. If you had the craving to watch Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video or Adele's clip for "Hello," you can't do that right now on YouTube. But you can watch an elderly man smash an autographed Taylor Swift guitar after spending $4,000 to buy it at a Texas charity auction. BTW: Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce are still going strong despite missing his last two NFL games. Dave Grohl was spotted for the first time since he revealed that he welcomed a baby daughter outside of his marriage to wife Jordyn Blum. Tool are selling a new 30th anniversary deluxe CD edition of Undertow through their website. For $250 you'll get the original album packaged in an oversized bound booklet featuring photography based around a sculpture by Vahan Bego. It also comes with a commemorative coin based on the sculpture. RIP: Original ANVIL Guitarist DAVE ALLISON Dies At 68 after a battle with cancer. TV A competition series called "Roller Jam" is hitting Max on Thursday, October 10th. The stakes are higher than ever on the new reality series, Buy It Now MOVING ON INTO MOVIE NEWS: Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell have been together since 1983 and now we know it's because they have really good sex. AND FINALLY Buzzfeed put together a list of 27 bizarre movie facts that sound fake but are 100% true. Whether you think that assessment is a little overdramatic or not, they ARE interesting. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
On the September 29 edition of Music History Today, Kurtis Blow makes history, & MTV introduces grunge to the mainstream. Plus, it's Jerry Lee Lewis's birthday. For more music history, subscribe to my Spotify Channel or subscribe to the audio version of my music history podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts from ALL MUSIC HISTORY TODAY PODCAST NETWORK LINKS - https://allmylinks.com/musichistorytoday --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/musichistorytodaypodcast/support
During KEXP's fall fund drive, we're celebrating the 33rd anniversary of Nirvana's Nevermind and the 31st anniversary of In Utero. Dusty Henry, Martin Douglas, and Albina Cabrera share a tale of two albums — one polished, one gritty — including the music's impact on them personally and across the world. Hosts: Dusty Henry and Martin DouglasSpecial thanks: Albina Cabrera, host of El Cancionero de KurtAudio producer: Roddy NikpourPodcast manager: Isabel KhaliliEditorial director: Larry Mizell Jr. Support the podcast: kexp.org/cobain 00:00: Intro03:19: A reflection on the concept of ranking albums07:21: MTV and Nirvana at the center of a youth movement10:06: Nevermind as the gateway to Nirvana14:22: "Smells Like Teen Spirit" changed everything20:41: Nevermind shows us Kurt as a funny guy with a polished sound26:09: In Utero, the harsh response to Nevermind36:18: In Utero as Kurt's final word39:56: Despite our earlier remarks, we rank Nevermind and In Utero49:06: CreditsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Episode 93 features Scott, Larry, and Keith taking turns drafting and discussing the greatest songs of 1991. Link to Spotify playlist for this episode: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3ZffdowavZm15gnamo4dpY?si=bb1de4730a6d44a5 Link to Spotify honorable mentions playlist for this episode: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7Fzcv3JZ0PwbQHzPFfCoVr?si=f182d872e9ec40f1 Link to Spotify playlist that includes all of our song draft picks so far: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5TwJXXESiyIPNy0Vdg7OR4?si=a169a297c91a491f Notes: It is probably noticeable anyway, but we want to mention that separate parts of "Smells Like Teen Spirit," "Scenario," and "Loaded/Movin' On Up" were grafted together for the clips we played. We should've mentioned that Pearl Jam's Stone Gossard and Jeff Ament were also previously in Mother Love Bone, and that Soundgarden's Matt Cameron was also in Temple Of The Dog.
Google outlines plans to include identifying if an image was taken with a camera, digitally edited or AI generated. Plus the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety study shows partial automation tech increases driver distraction. And starting today Instagram is putting every user under the age of 18 into “Teen Accounts”.Starring Tom Merritt, Sarah Lane, Roger Chang, Joe.Link to the Show Notes.
Google outlines plans to include identifying if an image was taken with a camera, digitally edited or AI generated. Plus the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety study shows partial automation tech increases driver distraction. And starting today Instagram is putting every user under the age of 18 into “Teen Accounts”. To read the show notes in a separate page click here! Support the show on Patreon by becoming a supporter!
Ever been really excited to walk into a restaurant because of how good it smelled? Ever refused to walk into a public restroom because of how bad it smelled? Smells are signals. But they don't just tell us what we're about to walk into. They remind us of where we've come from and what we've been through. Almost every time Scripture prescribes a spiritual practice, it's accompanied by a scent. There are all sorts of elaborate descriptions of fragrant oils & perfumes, and burning incense & animal fat. Why does God seem to care so much about this? And what can we learn from His reasoning? How might the scents we surround ourselves with shift our experiences and solidify our memories? If you're new with us, let us know how we can be praying for you, we invite you to fill out an online Connect Card by visiting https://southhillschurch.churchcenter.com/people/forms/91550—If you are looking for what is next for you, we invite you to fill out an online “Next Steps” card by visiting https://southhillschurch.churchcenter.com/people/forms/672517To give with us select the Give tab on the Church Center App or visit https://southhills.org/giving/ and select the Corona Fund or Corona BOW Fund—Visit our Linktree to find out more about everything mentioned in today's message or follow along with the message slides:https://linktr.ee/SouthHillsCorona —To RSVP for On-Campus Events select the Events tab on the Church Center App or visit https://southhills.org/corona/
We finally get to discuss what the term "aromatic compound" means in chemistry, from Michael Faraday's report in 1825 of a new organic compound (we call it benzene), to von Hofmann's first use in 1856 (without defining it) of the term "aromatic". We examine the ensuing controversies and definitions of "aromatic compound," how people modeled molecularly and diagrammatically what that meant, and current discussions over the word. My Patreon supporters may download a supplemental sheet with molecular structures of some aromatic compounds I mention in the episode.Support the show Support my podcast at https://www.patreon.com/thehistoryofchemistry Tell me how your life relates to chemistry! E-mail me at steve@historyofchem.com Get my book, O Mg! How Chemistry Came to Be, from World Scientific Publishing, https://www.worldscientific.com/worldscibooks/10.1142/12670#t=aboutBook
On this day in 1991, Nirvana released 'Smells like Teen Spirit.'
On the September 10 edition of the Music History Today podcast, Nirvana smells like teen spirit, the Fresh Prince debuts, & Michael Jackson performs in Manhattan less than 12 hours before the events of 9/11. Plus, it's Joe Perry's birthday. For more music history, subscribe to my Spotify Channel or subscribe to the audio version of my music history podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts from ALL MUSIC HISTORY TODAY PODCAST NETWORK LINKS - https://allmylinks.com/musichistorytoday --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/musichistorytodaypodcast/support
The DNC, Gas Prices, Lost in Space, Pharma Bro, Epstein Island, Who Bought Twitter? Smells Like Teen Spirit (gone sour) and Kari Lake gets the hook
On the heels of Foster the People's first new album in seven years, their excellent, uplifting and highly danceable new album Paradise State of Mind, hear from the project's creative mastermind about key moments in his musical journey: how he learned to play piano by ear as a kid, and was later inspired to play guitar by hearing Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit" on a kiosk at Cleveland's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame; how he discovered the value of a local music community through his city's metalcore scene; how his dad talked him out of joining the Air Force and persuaded him to move to Los Angeles to pursue his music dream instead; what he learned from the rejection and adversity of his early years in LA; how he overcame the fear he felt after having a hit with "Pumped Up Kicks" that he might not be able to do it again; what it felt like to open for his heroes The Beach Boys; how his songwriting has evolved since then, and more. Paradise State of Mind is out now, and you can get tickets for Foster the People's upcoming shows here.
On this week's program, Dr. Joe Sirven identifies common mental health issues in young people.
Episode 50: Nevermind (Nirvana). McCartney In Goal is the podcast that debates the great albums of pop music, using a competitive knock-out format. Today we're discussing, Nevermind which was the second studio album by Nirvana. It was released on September 24, 1991.Unlock the story behind Nirvana's first release on a major label and the first to feature drummer Dave Grohl with the latest spirited debate “track by track” by the McCartney In Goal team. The album includes loads of hits including “Smells Like Teen Spirit”, "Lithium", "Come As You Are" and "In Bloom".Ever wondered how a controversial album cover and a song about a deodorant could change the landscape of music forever? Join the team for the milestone 50th episode as they dive headfirst into Nirvana's legendary "Nevermind" album. Broadcasting from sunny Argentina and somewhere in Steve's beard, Dave, Brett and Steve embark on a nostalgic yet humorous journey, sharing their personal connections to each track.Remember those house parties where "Nevermind" was the soundtrack to your teenage rebellion? The MiG team explore the emotional highs and production quirks of "Polly", "Stay Away," "Breed," and more, contextualizing their place in the album's legacy.What makes an album timeless? We tackle this question with a focus on the genius of Kurt Cobain, from his punk roots to mainstream success. We also share a hilarious anecdote about hidden tracks and childhood swimming lessons tied to the "Nevermind" cover art. Join us as we celebrate 50 episodes of musical exploration, heartfelt debates, and a deep appreciation for Nirvana's transformative impact on our lives and the music world. Thank you for being part of this journey; here's to the next 50 episodes!Support the Show.Twitter - https://twitter.com/mccartneyinWebsite - https://mccartneyingoal.com/
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In this episode of "Music Maniacs W/ Sight After Dark," we dive deep into the groundbreaking impact of Nirvana; the band that defined a generation and reshaped the music landscape of the '90s. Join us as we explore their rise to fame, the raw emotion behind iconic tracks like "Smells Like Teen Spirit," and the tumultuous life of frontman Kurt Cobain. We'll discuss the cultural significance of their music, the mental health struggles they faced, and the legacy they left behind after Cobain's tragic death. Featuring music, quotations, and our experience as fans, this episode captures the essence of Nirvana's revolutionary spirit and their enduring influence in today's music scene. Come hang out with Sight After Dark as we discuss all things Nirvana! ___________________________________________________________________ Full versions of all songs played in this podcast below: Sight After Dark - “Come As You Are” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfJwmXcPlIQ Nirvana - “Negative Creep” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUgI2h35Pcc Nirvana - “The Man Who Sold the World” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fregObNcHC8 Nirvana - “In Bloom” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbgKEjNBHqM Nirvana - “Drain You” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJUpHxlJUNQ Nirvana - “Breed” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6EDW5WFb2M Nirvana - “Something In the Way” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VxdufqB9zg Nirvana - “Rape Me” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdSWaIvyQ3o Sight After Dark - “Poison Heart” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wQFmX9LROs
Roddy Nikpour dives into Get The Knack by The Knack. The album's catchy lead single came out when Kurt was a preteen. Despite its questionable lyrics, “My Sharona” did for new wave what “Smells Like Teen Spirit” did for punk — brought a genre to the mainstream. Hosts: Dusty Henry and Martin DouglasAudio producer: Roddy NikpourPodcast manager: Isabel KhaliliEditorial director: Larry Mizell Jr. Support the podcast: kexp.org/cobainSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
REDIFF - Le 5 avril 2024, cela faisait 30 ans jour pour jour que Kurt Cobain, le chanteur du cultissime groupe Nirvana, se donnait la mort d'un coup de carabine. Florian Gazan vous explique pourquoi un déodorant est à l'origine du plus gros tube de Nirvana, "Smells Like Teen Spirit"... Dans "Ah Ouais ?", Florian Gazan répond en une minute chrono à toutes les questions essentielles, existentielles, parfois complètement absurdes, qui vous traversent la tête. Un podcast RTL Originals.
Is there anything in the universe that is not moving? Neil deGrasse Tyson and comedian Chuck Nice answer fan questions about stillness, humans on Mars, and what songs they would add to the Voyager Golden Record. NOTE: StarTalk+ Patrons can listen to this entire episode commercial-free here:https://startalkmedia.com/show/cosmic-queries-space-travelers-delight/Thanks to our Patrons Scott Nelson, Bjørn Furuknap, Paul Robinson, Jonasz Napiecek, Micheal Briggs, Blake Wolfe, Brett Maragno, Adam Stephensen, Cicero Artefon, and Paul Lesperance for supporting us this week.
“Look at any photo from a moment of supposed zeitgeist in American history, and it will be clear that not everyone in that moment represented the cutting-edge of culture.” –Rolf Potts In this essay episode of Deviate, Rolf talks about why he enjoys listening to Rob Harvilla’s podcast 60 Songs That Explain the ’90s at double-speed, but that he’s disappointed Rob has never alluded to Rolf’s own 1990s grunge band, Swizzlefish (1:45); Rolf describes his move from Kansas to the Pacific Northwest in the year 1990, at a very specific moment in America’s cultural zeitgeist (10:30); the origins of Swizzlefish, and how its formation with Rolf’s friends Ryan and Steve was compromised by the fact that Rolf and Steve were in no way musical virtuosos (18:30); the circumstances of the first Swizzlefish live show, and how it caused an immediate controversy on Rolf’s small Christian college campus (30:00); what Portland’s indie-rock scene was like in early 1993, and what kinds of bands Rolf and his friends saw there (35:00); how the second Swizzlefish concert resulted in the band getting banned from playing on its own college campus (42:00); Swizzlefish’s spring 1993 performance at Portland’s X-Ray Cafe, and how the middle-class normalcy of its fans evoked something true about grunge music (49:00); Rolf’s eventual move to Seattle to work as a landscaper, his experiences at a 1993 Nirvana show there, and the curiously enduring legacy of Swizzlefish more than 30 years later (57:30); and Rolf talks to music journalist Rob Harvilla about Rolf’s brief appearance in the 1992 horror movie Dr. Giggles, their respective experiences with 1990s music, and whether or not Kurt Cobain would have liked them (1:06:25). The 1993 Swizzlefish album Big Time Loser is available for streaming on Spotify, Apple Music, and YouTube Music. Rob Harvilla (@harvilla) is the creator of 60 Songs That Explain the ’90s, a book and a podcast that explore the pop culture of the decade through music. , Bands, musicians, and songs mentioned: “Love Buzz” (Shocking Blue song covered on Nirvana’s Bleach) Elliott Smith (singer-songwriter from Portland, Oregon) Heatmiser (Portland indie rock band) “Smells Like Teen Spirit” (Nirvana song) Jane’s Addiction (alternative rock band from LA) Mother Love Bone (Seattle rock band) Kurt Cobain (lead-singer of Nirvana) Jackyl (American hair-metal band) “Princess in a Cobweb” (song by Drunk at Abi’s) Sprinkler (Portland indie-rock band) “Should I Stay or Should I Go” (song by The Clash) Carrie Brownstein (musician and comedian) Bikini Kill (pioneering “riot grrrl” punk band) Big Daddy Meat Straw (Portland indie-rock band) “Smells Like Nirvana” (parody song by Weird Al Yankovic) “Holiday of Sparks” (song by Dimbulb) “Rock Collection” (song by Pond) Everclear (Portland rock band) Mia Zapata (Seattle punk singer murdered in 1993) “Scentless Apprentice” (1993 Nirvana song) Kim Deal (Ohio-born musician for The Pixies and The Breeders) Dookie (1994 Green Day album) 924 Gilman Street (all-ages punk-rock club in Berkeley) Rancid (Berkeley punk band) Avail (melodic hardcore punk band from Virginia) Other links: Malcolm McLaren (promoter and manager of the Sex Pistols) Hype! (1996 music documentary directed by Doug Pray) Twin Peaks (TV drama created by David Lynch) Grunge (alternative rock genre known as “Seattle sound”) George Fox College (pre-1996 name of George Fox University) Jumping freight trains in the Pacific NW (Deviate episode) Van Life before #VanLife (Deviate episode) Brian Epstein (manager of The Beatles from 1962-1967) Sub Pop (Seattle-based indie-rock record label) X-Ray Cafe (1990s all-ages venue in Portland) Rap rock (hybrid music genre) Hardcore (punk rock subgenre) Portlandia (sketch-comedy TV show from the 2010s) This Present Darkness (Christian novel by Frank E. Peretti) Satanic ritual abuse (conspiracy theory and moral panic) Newberg (small Oregon college town) 1993 TIME Magazine grunge issue (featuring Eddie Vedder) Dr. Giggles (1992 horror movie) Singles (1992 Cameron Crowe movie) The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel's 2017 album Lumber. Note: We don't host a “comments” section, but we're happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at deviate@rolfpotts.com.
Emma is joined by Sydney and Jane to discuss 1990s nostalgia, essential books of the 90s, and share a list of fresh books set in their favorite decade! This episode is packed full of book recommendations and waxing poetic about malls, layered tank tops, time travel, and revisiting our favorite decade from a 2024 perspective. Emma's Picks: Carrie Soto Is Back by Taylor Jenkins Reid This Time Tomorrow by Emma Straub The Mall by Megan McCafferty Jane's Picks: How to Build a Girl - Caitlin Moran Angus, Thongs, and Full Frontal Snogging by Louise Rennison Attachments by Rainbow Rowell I Have Some Questions for You by Rebecca Makkai Sydney's Picks: The Virgin Suicides by Jeffrey Eugenides Bird by Bird by Anne Lamott The Crow Road by Iain Banks If you want to listen to our conversation with Rainbow Rowell, you can listen here. If you want to listen to the conversation with Emma Straub, that's here. If you're a librarian and you're looking to shop more 90s reads in OverDrive Marketplace, check out As If: Modern Books Featuring 80s and 90s Nostalgia, Books of the 90s, and Smells Like Teen Spirit. Readers can sample and borrow the titles mentioned in today's episode on OverDrive.com or in Libby. Library friends can shop these titles in OverDrive Marketplace. Looking for more bookish content? Check out the Libby Life Blog! We hope you enjoy this episode of the Professional Book Nerds podcast. Be sure to rate, review and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen! You can follow the Professional Book Nerds on Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok @ProBookNerds. Want to reach out? Send an email to professionalbooknerds@overdrive.com. We've got merch! Check out our two shirts in The OverDrive Shop (all profits are donated to the ALA Literacy Clearinghouse). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
27 club test. we will surpass. veronika and kyle talk the tiktok ban, 30 song albums, and washed up rockstars. LIVE SHOWS!!: https://linktr.ee/veronika_iscool Patreon: https://patreon.com/nevermindpodcast veronika: @veronika_iscool https://www.instagram.com/veronika_iscool/ kyle: @kylefornow https://www.instagram.com/kylefornow/ nevermind: @nevermindpod https://www.instagram.com/nevermindpod/ we're still getting good at this, but it's about to get better
Bandsplain's Yasi Salek joins DJ Louie to trace Nirvana's brief, iconoclastic trail through pop's mainstream in the early 1990s. Louie and Yasi unpack the group's origins in Aberdeen, Washington, their time on famed indie label Sub Pop, known for popularizing the "grunge" sound, and their bleak, sparse debut in 1989, Bleach, which garnered them a cult following. Next, they tackle Nirvana's breakthrough smash, the generational anthem “Smells Like Teen Spirit”, and 1991's unexpected blockbuster Nevermind, which briefly remolded the pop charts in their image and became one of the biggest albums of all time. They then discuss Kurt's infamous marriage to Hole front woman Courtney Love, prickly relationship to his own fame and success and how his heroin addiction spun out of control during the promo cycle for 1993's darker and grittier In Utero. Finally, Louie and Yasi detail Kurt's tragic death by suicide in 1994, encasing the group in amber and forever giving their legacy a grand tragic air, before ranking Nirvana in the official Pop Pantheon. Listen to Pop Pantheon's Nirvana Essentials Playlist on SpotifyJoin Pop Pantheon: All Access, Our Patreon Channel, for Exclusive Content and MoreShop Merch in Pop Pantheon's StoreCome to Pop Pantheon Live: Tortured Poets & The State of Taylor Mania on 4/22 at the Bellhouse in BrooklynBuy Tickets to Pop Pantheon Presents: Taylor Mania at Parkside Lounge on 4/19Come to Gorgeous Gorgeous LA on 4/20 at Los GlobosCome to Gorgeous Gorgeous NYC on 5/10 at Sultan RoomFollow Yasi Salek on TwitterFollow DJ Louie XIV on InstagramFollow DJ Louie XIV on TwitterFollow Pop Pantheon on InstagramFollow Pop Pantheon on Twitter
Thirty years after the death of frontman Kurt Cobain, Nirvana and their music still feel very close. Does that have anything to do with Weird Al's equally "defining" parody, a track that let Al "sell out" again after the disastrous UHF experience...with a band at the bleeding edge of the sell-out conversation? The shroud of tragedy, the performance of self, rebellious chaos, and ballerina tutus: better get to the gym, y'all! It's an all-new MASTAS. Our intro is by Laura Barger and Jack Baldelli, and our outro is by Hole. For more information/to become a patron of the show and hear all episodes of this season, visit patreon.com/mastas. SHOW NOTES "What...is this thing?" Start at the beginning! Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video Weird Al's "Smells Like Nirvana," which...will probably look familiar WAvE Episode 20: "The Saga Begins"
Il y a 30 ans, Kurt Cobain, le chanteur du cultissime groupe Nirvana, se donnait la mort d'un coup de carabine. Florian Gazan vous explique pourquoi un déodorant est à l'origine du plus gros tube de Nirvana, "Smells Like Teen Spirit"... Les Grosses Têtes vous proposent de découvrir ou redécouvrir le podcast de Florian Gazan. Dans "Ah Ouais ?", Florian Gazan répond en une minute chrono à toutes les questions essentielles, existentielles, parfois complètement absurdes, qui vous traversent la tête. Un podcast RTL Originals.
durée : 00:05:29 - Avec la langue - par : Julie Neveux - Cette semaine, Jullie Neveux analyse les paroles de l'une des chansons les moins claires du monde : "Smells like Teen Spirit".
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Morning Mixers confessed what their teen's room smells like. Today's segment of Ask A...Travel Agent Sheila answered questions on booking a cruise. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
This week, Maria and Liz revisit the "Let's Get Personal" segment with a dive into their teenage years. Spoilers: Maria's still looking for a good pair of bell bottoms & Liz still loves glue. Listen to find out more!SUBSCRIBE + rate and review us!Become a Patron! Get access to weekly and monthly bonus episodes, episodes before they are released, stickers and more! / 2nondoctorsEmail us: 2nondoctors@gmail.comFollow us: Instagram @2nondrs Twitter/FB @2nondoctors --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/2-non-doctors/support
Weird Al has been writing songs and recording parodies for four decades, and his musical footprint is unfathomably wide. In this minisode, originally released in October 2022, Kirk gets into a few things he didn't have room for in the main feed episode about "The Biggest Ball of Twine in Minnesota."FEATURED/DISCUSSED:"Money for Nothing/Beverly Hillbillies" by Yankovic, a parody of "Money for Nothing" by Mark Knopfler & Definitely Sting from Brothers in Arms, 1985A really interesting Sound on Sound article about the production of Brothers in Arms"Spam," by Yankovic, a parody of "Stand" by REM from Green, 1989"Smells Like Nirvana" by Yankovic, a parody of "Smells Like Teen Spirit" by Nirvana from Nevermind, 1991"Livin' in the Fridge" by Yankovic, a parody of "Livin' on the Edge" by Aerosmith from Get a Grip, 1993"Bohemian Polka," by Yankovic, a rearrangement of "Bohemian Rhapsody" by Freddie Mercury and Queen from A Night at the Opera, 1975
Guest Bios Show Transcript America is experiencing the largest and fastest religious shift in its history—greater than the First and the Second Great Awakening and every revival in the U.S. combined. But instead of a massive shift into the church, what we're seeing is a mass exodus. In this edition of The Roys Report, you'll hear from Michael Graham, co-author of The Great DeChurching: Who's Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back. Based on the most comprehensive study of people leaving the church in America, the book gives keen insights into this phenomenon. You'll learn why people are leaving the church, which demographic groups are leaving in the greatest numbers, and what can be done to stop the bleed. And the results may surprise followers of this podcast. Though much of our reporting focuses on corruption and abuse in the church, these issues were not the greatest factors people cited for leaving. The reasons cited were much more mundane than you might think. We are living in a unique moment—what research says is the greatest “dechurching” in nearly 250 years of this nation. This exodus doesn't just affect society or public expressions of faith; it impacts family relationships and how people relate to each other. Tune in for a highly informative conversation that examines the state of the church and why restoring her matters. Guests Michael Graham Michael Graham is program director for The Keller Center for Cultural Apologetics. He is also the executive producer and writer of As In Heaven and co-author of The Great Dechurching. He received his MDiv at Reformed Theological Seminary in Orlando. He is a member at Orlando Grace Church. He is married to Sara, and they have two kids Show Transcript SPEAKERSMICHAEL GRAHAM, Julie Roys Julie Roys 00:04America is experiencing the largest and fastest religious shift in its history greater than the first and the second Great Awakening and every revival in the US combined. But instead of a massive shift into the church, what we’re seeing is a mass exodus, and the greatest de churching in nearly 250 years. Welcome to The Roys Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. I’m Julie Roys, and on this podcast you’ll hear from Michael Grant, co- author of the new book The Great Dechurching. Based on the most comprehensive study of people leaving the church in America, the book gives keen insights into this phenomenon. You’ll learn why people are leaving the church, which demographics are leaving in the greatest numbers, and what can be done to stop the bleed. And the results may surprise followers of this podcast. Though much of our reporting focuses on corruption and abuse in the church, these issues were not the greatest factors people cited for leaving. The reasons were much more mundane than you might think. And we’ll dig into those in just a minute. Julie Roys 01:05 But first, I’d like to thank the sponsors of this podcast, Judson University, and Marquardt of Barrington. If you’re looking for a top-ranked Christian University, providing a caring community and an excellent college experience, Judson University is for you. Judson is located on 90 acres, just 40 miles west of Chicago in Elgin, Illinois. The school offers more than 60 majors, great leadership opportunities and strong financial aid. Plus, you can take classes online as well as in person. Judson University is shaping lives that shaped the world. For more information, just go to JUDSONU.EDU. Also, if you’re looking for a quality new or used car, I highly recommend my friends at Marquardt of Barrington. Marquardt is a Buick GMC dealership where you can expect honesty, integrity, and transparency. That’s because the owners there Dan and Kurt Marquardt are men of integrity. To check them out just go to BUYACAR123.COM. Julie Roys 02:09 Well, again, joining me is Michael Grant, Program Director at the Keller Center for Cultural apologetics. He’s also the executive producer and writer for the As In Heaven podcast. And he’s also a member at Orlando Grace Church where Jim Davis, who’s the co-author for his latest book, The Great Dechurching. He is also a teaching pastor. So, Michael, welcome. It’s a pleasure to have you join me. MICHAEL GRAHAM 02:31 So good to be here with you, Julie. Julie Roys 02:32 So, Michael, your book is based on an extensive study that sought to prove or disprove this thesis that America’s in the middle of the largest and greatest religious shift in its history. And what you discovered is pretty sobering. Would you tell me about that? MICHAEL GRAHAM 02:47 Yeah. So, I mean, the Cliff’s Notes version is that 40 million adult Americans have left houses of worship, across all religious traditions. And by and large, almost all of that has occurred in the last 30 years. So, from the moment of Nirvana’s Smells Like Teen Spirit to today, 40 million people have gone from, you know, the various pews of all religious traditions. Now, most of those are out of what you’d call Christian traditions, about 15 million of that out of evangelical traditions, and then about another 20 million out of Roman Catholic and mainline traditions, the other traditions are a lot smaller. So, we weren’t really sure what we would be looking at in terms of why there were two prevailing storylines, depending on what your kind of media diet looked like. If your media diet looked a little bit left leaning, then the story was basically that people had been leaving houses of worship primarily because of mistakes made by those institutions themselves. So, this would be things like racism, misogyny, abuse, political syncretism, clergy scandal. If your media diet leaned a little bit to the right, the prevailing story was basically a story of secularism, or sexual revolution, progressivism, people are leaving houses of worship, because they’re no longer worshipping the Triune God, they’re worshipping some other, you know, forms of non-Christian things. The reality is that you can find several million people who would fit both that first story or that second story. However, most of the people might have elements of either of those two stories in there, but most of them left for really, really boring reasons. So, the challenge is like not necessarily saying that story A or story B is wrong. There’s actually a story C that is not as interesting. That’s also there and is kind of the water that we’re all kind of in is the number one reason why people you know, left houses of worship, and stop going on at least a monthly basis. So that’s how we defined the charging somebody who used to go to church, or house of worship at least monthly, consistently, and now less than once per year. So even if you go to church on Christmas Eve, or Christmas, or Easter or Christmas and Easter, we still counted you in our study as being churched. So, if you think the 40 million number sounds scary, you know, if you take all the Christmas and Easter people out. Julie Roys 05:32 That is like a really, really low bar. MICHAEL GRAHAM 05:35 There’s many, many more people. But basically, the number one reason I moved, right after that is, attendance was inconvenient. After that is some kind of marriage, divorce, new child, or some other significant family change. After you kind of get past some of those reasons, you start to get into some of the reasons where people experience some more pain or some more friction, either at the individual level, or at the institutional level. But it really kind of looks like of the 40 million people who left, 30 million left, what we called casually, and about 10 million left as casualties. And so, 10 million people is a lot of people, okay, I don’t want to downplay at all the people who have significant church hurt at the individual, institutional or both levels. But there’s also just kind of 30 million people where it just kind of looks like, okay, well, just the inertia of American life and their rhythms and habits just kind of had them floating on. MICHAEL GRAHAM 06:45 Now, the interesting thing about really, across the board, both the people who left casually and unintentionally, as well as the people who left as casualties and left highly intentionally, most of them are willing to return today to a house of worship of some sort. Some of them were willing to go back to exactly what they left and some of them are not willing to go back to exactly what they left, but willing to go to something that we would all consider as being part of the historic Christian tradition. Julie Roys 07:18 Yeah, I was surprised when I read it, how many people just dropped out because well, even COVID. Like, they just got out of the habit. And I guess we’re seeing that. I mean, I know that’s a phenomenon. But it’s stunning in some ways that something that you would expect to be so central to a person’s life, that they would give it up just because it’s inconvenient, or they get out of the habit of going. And yet, maybe that speaks to where the spiritual state before that happened. But that was surprising, I thought finding of the study. Julie Roys 07:48 I thought too just thinking through what’s at stake, which you do kind of in that first section relationally, what’s happening, you know, between parents and their kids, and you had this one line which struck me because I’m over 50. And it says, anecdotally, we know, of almost no parents over the age of 50, who don’t have at least one child who is dechurched. And I’ve got three kids. I guess I read that, and I just was very grateful, because none of my kids are dechurched. But I mean, certainly, wow, we felt like we have been in a war for their soul at different times within their lives. And just, by the grace of God, I think, have seen them embrace faith. But there are a lot of things in here that remind me of the situation that we’re in. I mean, this between parents and their children. And of course, I have so many friends, I mean, that are just beautiful parents and probably did a 10 times better job than I did. And they’re dealing with just such heartache over their kids leaving their faith leaving the church. But even you know, it’s culturally how fractured we are mentally. I mean, talk about some of these impacts on who we are as communities and as Americans that are really going to be impacted as we see this begin to play out. MICHAEL GRAHAM 09:15 Let’s start at the purely secular level. Why would I care about this if even I was an atheist or agnostic or a nothing in particular? The first thing I would say is you should care about this phenomenon, because it’s going to at least sociologically reorder many aspects of American culture and society. How many different trends can you think about that impact one in six adult Americans? There aren’t many. And so, the implications of this will have implications in terms of politics and political voting groups. It will have an impact on the social safety net in our country. There are certain studies that have shown that as much as 40% of America’s social safety net, the social safety net being the kinds of things that are there for people, when they’re, at their hardest or most challenging moments, that 40% of the social safety net in this country is basically coming from religious nonprofits. And so, when you see one in six adult Americans, you know, opt out of those kinds of ties, thicker ties, and local ties to local religious institutions, that’s going to have an impact for sure, on the social safety net. And I don’t think that that’s in the interest of either common good or human flourishing. MICHAEL GRAHAM 10:41 We estimate in the book that that’s probably about $25 billion that just exited out of the religious nonprofit world. I mean, you’re talking about $1.4 trillion dollars, in terms of the total income of the people who have disconnected from local churches. A lot of implications for institutions, certainly, you’re going to see churches and houses of worship that are going to struggle, perhaps even close. You’ll have others where the trend of decline will continue. And that will put additional strain on those institutions. There will probably be consolidation that takes place that’s there. But if you’re listening to this, and maybe you yourself are dechurched, is it’s like, what, I miss you, okay? Because I go to church, and if you’re not there, I’m worse off because of your absence. At the local church level, it’s like, well, dechurching is impoverishing our churches, because you have all these people who are amazing image bearers, and then who liked I want to know, and love and experience. And I think about like the 59 one another's in the New Testament. At least over half of those require, we have to be embodied in order to even get to do those things. And so, I’m just worse off when there’s people who aren’t there anymore, and they’re missed. And so, and then zooming all the way down to, like, the familial level, there’s tremendous pain and hurt there. We’re not talking about just a number on a spreadsheet, you’re talking about real people’s lives, and real things in their story, and real pains, and real hard sometimes. Sometimes for very good reasons people disconnect themselves from these things. Anybody familiar with you and your ministry, knows these stories, and they know them well.. And so, I think on that front, there’s just tremendous things at stake. What’s the Thanksgiving or the Christmas dinner table look like? And what pieces of sadness are there?, or these places where people land different from their family members in terms of how they process really big conversations. Those can be really hard and lonely and isolating things when you find yourself in a very different place. MICHAEL GRAHAM 13:25 But you know, one of the things that we advocate in the book is a posture of quiet, calm curiosity for everybody. You can only find yourself in that, in that place of being quiet, calm, and curious with other people, when you have a sense of security in yourself. And I think that security is best found when we’re confident in our identity as image bearers made in the image of God, redeemed by the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and confident of our future, our eschatological future in the kingdom of God. And so, when we have that, that gives us the freedom to not feel like we need to be defensive, we can just listen to other people and hear what they have to say and believe people when they’re telling us about the wins and losses, particularly the wins and losses and their experiences with people who claim Christ or institutions that claim to be Christian. And so, I think there’s a lot of implications for these things. There’s just a lot that’s at stake. I think that there’s much work to be done, both on the individual front, and there’s a lot of work to be done on the institutional front. Julie Roys 14:43 How we lead as institutions, I think, is probably an area that energizes me because I have found so much dysfunction within those institutions. And I did like that you said, we don’t have to go back to the church we left and I’m in a house church now, I love it. And I find myself questioning a lot of the stuff that I just took on face value. I was having discussion recently, I’m like, I don’t know, like preaching is that really the best way for us to study the Bible? We get together and we open the Bible, and we study it together. And I found that incredibly rich, richer than a lot of times when I have somebody giving me basically a lecture for 30 or 40 minutes on their opinion of what it says. And I find it just much richer to go right in and dig in ourselves. So, I find myself at least among the people that I’m in contact with, are all asking these questions. What is it really have to offer look like? I am just in contact with so many people where it hasn’t felt safe. And so, I just have such a degree of empathy for those who have trouble and I say, even my own children, I watched them try to find a church. And it is unbelievably hard, unbelievably, and that just breaks my heart because I feel like so many of the vibrant churches that I knew when I was their age, don’t exist anymore, or they’ve been just the ministries that I think of that were so vibrant on campuses, and so forth just aren’t there. And so, we do have an unbelievable amount of work to do. And I thought it was interesting, you also found, like, when we’re talking about leaving the church, like, who’s dechurching?, this isn’t any particular group. This like everybody across the board, right? MICHAEL GRAHAM 16:27 It’s unilateral across the board,. In certain places, it’s maybe a little bit more prominent or pronounced than others. And the timing of which various different groupings may have kind of floated on looks different. But by and large, yeah there’s no group that’s immune. Julie Roys 16:48 Well, let’s dig into some of the groups because that’s what I do find really fascinating, but also, I think, really educational, because if we’re going to be relating to these folks in hopefully a winsome way, it’s helpful to know who they are. And I think there are some misconceptions of who they are. So, you basically found there’s five groups of dechurched individuals, cultural Christians, dechurched mainstream evangelicalism, exvangelicals, dechurched, BIPOC. So Black, Indigenous and People of Color, and dechurched mainline Protestants. Let’s dig into each one of those groups. Let’s start with the cultural Christians who, I’m guessing these are the people that grew up went to church on Christmas and Easter, and maybe a few times in between, but basically a little bit of church background, but not really a saving faith, probably. MICHAEL GRAHAM 17:46 Yeah, so every one of those groups we mentioned had one thing in common, they all went to a house of worship, at least consistently on a monthly basis, but now less than once per year. So, the culture in terms of size, the 15 million people who left evangelical traditions, and that’s the first four profiles that you just read off: cultural Christians, dechurched mainstream evangelicals, exvangelical, and then the BIPOC dechurched. The cultural Christians are about eight of those 15 million people. And then the next three groups are between two and two and a half million each. So, the cultural Christians, they look like people who are upwardly mobile, who did not have a deep understanding of the gospel, or the Bible, and the inertia of just their rhythms and habits basically has them out of the habit of going to church anymore. They’ve been gone from church for about 12 years now. They’re in their early 40s, on average. They’re overwhelmingly white, 98% white, and they’re doing well from an education and income standpoint. Interestingly enough, about half of them are willing to return to an evangelical church today. The top reasons why they left attendance was inconvenient, their friends weren’t worshiping at church anymore, they moved. More casual reasons than casualty and painful and the reasons why they said that they wouldn’t be willing to return were largely things that were relational in nature; new friends, lonely and want to make new friends, they miss church, a friend invites them, a spouse wants to go, they move and want to make new friends in a good community. So those were the reasons why about 4 million of them were willing to return to an evangelical church right now. Julie Roys 19:36 Throughout these profiles, you often talk about their relationship to their parents, because again, they were brought up a certain way and obviously they’re doing life differently now than their parents did. And there were a couple things with their parents, one turned off by their parents commitment to culture wars and refusal to listen. And then the second one, they’re not seeing the fruit of the Spirit in their parents. It’s tough to hear that. I think it’s a reminder that you know, as parents wow, I mean, what a responsibility. I’m curious if those relationships, and I don’t know how much you dug into it, but do they just remain fractured? MICHAEL GRAHAM 20:21 We don’t know yet. The hard scientist in me would say we need to ask the same people the same question years later. And to drill down to get at the heart of those things. Probably in the three-to-five-year timeframe, we want to ask a lot of the same questions and see what looks similar, see what looks different. The stuff with the parents is really hard. And it’s challenging, and it’s sad. I don’t know if it’s necessarily surprising. Obviously, for most of us, that’s one of the most formative relationships, if not the most formative relationship, at least in certain times of our life. And so, I think, also the last decade, in American public life, and I think particularly with the advent of social media, and the ways in which social media, you know, you have the like button, I think that was introduced, I want to say in 2009. Every platform has their dopamine-inducing reward structure for creating content that some people find interesting. The challenging thing about all of that is now, when you have a reward mechanism built into social platforms, people are more self-revelatory than what they would have been before. And so, I think, in terms of public communication and discourse, there is the freedom for people to communicate more about their perspectives than probably what there was before this dynamic of American public life existed. And so, I don’t think that’s necessarily all good or all bad. It’s just, there are implications that are downstream from that. And now, it’s where everybody is at, is far more clear than what it was 10 plus years ago. And there’s going to be implications from that, particularly as people have divergent perspectives, and sometimes strongly divergent perspectives. And again, all of these things are algorithmically incentivized. And in some ways, the stronger you feel about those things, sometimes that reward mechanism rewards you even further. And so, I think over time, there aren’t many impulses that are there baked into these things that create people finding as much common ground. And oftentimes, our digital interactions become power over persuasion. MICHAEL GRAHAM 22:56 And so those are challenging dynamics. And what do you do if your parents are behaving poorly on the internet, and are getting cheered on from those things? You can flip that script in the other way, as well. So those things are going to have implications at the dinner table. And I’m sure that many people have experienced some challenges during looking back at their Thanksgiving and their Christmas. And I think that some of these things are just downstream from these particular dynamics of how technology has inserted itself into our lives and revealed things about people that we loved that have maybe changed our perspectives about how we view them and have altered maybe the amount of relational intimacy that we feel comfortable with. Those are hard and sad things. Julie Roys 23:44 And one thing I found really interesting about this group, I mean, obviously, there’s the family fracture, well, that’s going to leave you more lonely, maybe depressed. But then there’s the relational fracture, like most of us, I mean, I know for me, my closest friends are my church friends, right? And without that community people are, and you even found, like more depressed, higher anxiety, I mean, all those things. And so, the reverse then, is that, and we often think, how do we invite people back to the church?, and I thought it was insightful that you’re like, these people need a dinner-table invite. In other words, they’re looking for a relationship, right? That’s most likely what’s going to bring them back to the church. MICHAEL GRAHAM 24:26 What we talked about in the book is there’s three levels of relationship that different broadly speaking profiles probably need. The second profile that you’ve mentioned, the dechurched mainstream evangelicals, these folks left on average about three or four years ago. They’re about the same age as that first group, early 40s. But this group is whereas the cultural Christians only 1% of them said that Jesus is the Son of God, 98% of this second group said Jesus is the Son of God.. These people have a very deep understanding of the Gospel, the Bible, and the kinds of things that you want to see from Nicene-creed level of Christianity. And 100% of that group are willing to return to an evangelical church today. MICHAEL GRAHAM 25:08 And so, the three levels of kind of relational need that’s there, that group really they just need a nudge. A nudge is something like a text, a phone call a water cooler moment, talking out on the porch, or in the cul de sac, hey, I got this really cool thing going on at church, or I’m speaking up this thing, or I think you’d really like our pastor, would you be willing to come to church with me? Let’s go grab lunch after at such and such place, that’s a nudge. I think when there is more pain, or church hurt, or these different kinds of things. And this should be obvious, when you think about it, it’s just people need the kind of intimacy that occurs around breaking bread together in a home at the dinner table. Literally, or figuratively and metaphorically, I think that when people need to be able to have an avenue, when there’s either interpersonal or institutional or both friction, then they need to be able to have a place that is where they can experience somebody who’s going to be willing to quietly, calmly and with curiosity, engage them in their story in a way that they would want to be treated. So, we have a third category of people who are just, they’re probably just never going to return to a house of worship. Julie Roys 26:26 The exvangelicals. No? MICHAEL GRAHAM 26:28 The exvangelicals are done with the evangelical expression of the faith. Okay. 79% of them were willing to return to some form of Christian tradition. That was something that was very surprising. Julie Roys 26:44 So just 100%, they will not go back to the church they came from, which may be a good thing, in a lot of ways. MICHAEL GRAHAM 26:51 Well, I mean, certainly there are many different institutions I could think of where it would be very unhealthy to return to. So, and that’s the good news about all of this stuff, you don’t have to return to what you left if there was something unhealthy. I always think about these things in terms of truth, goodness, and beauty. Well, what’s a healthy church? Where you can see the truth of the gospel, the goodness of the gospel, and the beauty of the gospel, all in the same place. Julie Roys 27:21 The exvangelicals, I just want to camp there just a little bit, because these are folks that I mean, honestly, I have a lot of empathy for and understanding. I mean, they’ve been through some things that were pretty toxic in the church. In fact, you found they scored 74% higher on experiencing a lack of love from their congregation than the other four groups combined. And that’s heartbreaking, like the place where you should most experience love, they experience a complete lack of love. And I’d be curious how many of them come from a fundamentalist background as well because I mean, there just seems to be a correlation there between just a rigid adherence to rules and so forth, and even the culture wars and all of that, and just a lack of caring for the soul and caring for the human being, whether they agree with you or not. But these folks, where they look for answers; talk about that a little bit. MICHAEL GRAHAM 28:26 We ended up calling this group exvangelicals because none of them are willing to return to an evangelical church. But what was really surprising was that 79% of them said that Jesus is the Son of God, and they had the second highest view of the Bible, as well as Nicene Creed-level Christianity. And so that would be things like the Trinity, the seamlessness of Jesus, these kinds of things. But what was interesting is this group was overwhelmingly female, two thirds female. And they were middle aged, average age 53. And they left a little bit after 9/11, on average, in terms of the bell curve. And what does seem to be occurring there is they had the lowest income and the lowest education of any of the groups, and their relationship towards institutions in general, was very strained. And so that was really interesting to see. It’s not just that the church isn’t working for this particular group, particularly the evangelical church. But American institutions in general aren’t working well for this group. Much lower rates of marriage, much higher rates of divorce, the rates of depression, anxiety, loneliness, and suicidal thoughts were also elevated across the board, but particularly suicidal thoughts were very bad. I think I made a note of this in the book, describe how you’re doing with respect to suicidal thoughts. And we’re basically 100 is I have no suicidal thoughts; everything is rainbows and Skittles. And where zero is deeply, deeply struggling with suicidal thoughts, the average score among this group of people, the exvangelical group, was 16. I just started crying, these are real people. And there’s several thousand people that we surveyed here. Are some of these people no longer with us?, is some of these people? So, I don’t know, given the number of people we surveyed probably. So, I’m looking at that., and it just can’t not impact you at a deep level, when you have any measure of empathy to think, oh, my gosh, these are image bearers. And this is a group of people that are clearly there’s a lot of pain that’s here. And there’s a lot of things that just aren’t working. And I don’t know how many institutions there are, depending on where you’re located, and how many options you have. I think many people might have to go a long distance to find a place where they’d find a church that would have that kind of empathy and understanding, given whatever is there in the story. Julie Roys 31:07 Well, it becomes almost cyclical, because if you’re divorced, I mean, I hear this from so many of my divorced friends, that you go into a church and you feel judged right away, or you feel like you don’t fit in, and so it can become very self-perpetuating, makes it very hard to go to any place. So, wow, let’s move to the dechurched/BIPOC because this one was surprising to me, too. I was not expecting the profile that you found of this group. So, describe the black indigenous persons of color who have dropped out of their church. What kind of person are we talking about here? MICHAEL GRAHAM 31:43 Yeah, so this group was fascinating too. Over two thirds of this group was male. Yeah. And the average age there was early 50s. And this group on average left in the late 1990s. Okay. Now, something that’s really fascinating, when the machine learning algorithm that we used to sort the dataset into these different profiles, we didn’t let it see ethnicity or race in the dataset, and sort based on that. Now, what’s interesting, though, is that you have profiles like cultural Christians that are 98% white, and you have profiles like this one that are 0% white. And note, so while race is a biological fiction, it is a sociological reality. And so, you can see that race and ethnicity has a significant impact in terms of the ways that you’re experiencing America and American institutions, and it has an influence on those things. So that was interesting. Another thing that was interesting was that this group, and you’re talking two to two and a half million people, had the highest income and the highest education of any of the different groups. Now, bear in mind, this is a group of people who aren’t white, who probably largely willfully chose to connect themselves to evangelical institutions, which we all know trend from a sociological and demographic standpoint, most evangelical churches trend in the Anglo direction of things. And so, it wouldn’t be wise to take the particular perspectives of this particular group and assume that everybody who’s BIPOC in America would share the same perspectives: very high incomes, very high education, head and shoulders above any of the other groups. And the cultural Christians are the next to that. And the BIPOC groups just stands head and shoulders above them. Julie Roys 33:39 So, this is a group that generally, I mean, those that have dropped out, at least the profile you gave was of somebody who’s BIPOC that lives in a pretty white space. And so, I mean, I’m looking at that thinking, Is it easier to disconnect from that church community? Because the black church is such a cohesive community that, I mean, almost, it’s so strong in the community. I think it is even stronger than most white churches. Is it easier to disconnect from church once you kind of moved out of that space? And then you’re in really, almost an alien space in some ways. MICHAEL GRAHAM 34:26 Yeah. In terms of black Protestantism, the black churches in American US history, have played more of a role in the local community life than say their predominantly Anglo counterparts. And I think a lot of that has to do with the amount of pressure that was placed on those communities over time. The BIPOC group was 76% African American and 13% Latino. So, when you combine the predominantly male with predominantly African American means over half of this group was extremely upwardly mobile black men. So, you’re talking to at least a million black men of the 15 million people who left evangelical churches. The most pain in church hurt comes from the exvangelical group and the BIPOC group. By far, the exvangelical group, they’re all the church casualties. The BIPOC group is a mixture of casual and casualty. The dechurched, mainstream evangelicals are all casual. And then most of the cultural Christians you’d characterize as casual. Julie Roys 35:35 The last group we don’t have much time to spend on because I do want to talk a little bit about some of the messages and the things that we need to say to all five of these groups. But the dechurched, mainline Protestants and Catholics, not a lot of surprises there I thought. That they’re really concerned about the church doing some good when maybe the church they grew up in and I know the profile, you get profiles for all these different groups, but the profile was a man who grew up Catholic and the clergy sex scandal just rocked his world because it impacted his brother. And those people are kind of done with church if it doesn’t make a difference in a positive way for the community, right? MICHAEL GRAHAM 36:16 Yeah. And in the dechurching that occurred among mainline and Roman Catholic occurred earlier than the dechurching that we’re seeing among evangelicals. Dechurching among mainline Protestants is more starting in the mid-80s. and extending into the late 90s. And then you can kind of shift that up about five years, for those who are leaving Roman Catholicism from the early 90s to like early aughts. And then you know, dechurching among evangelicals kind of looks like the Apple stock chart, just a little bit later, going hockey stick. Julie Roys 36:54 Yeah. Well, the last segment of your book does talk about those who had dechurched from evangelical churches, how we might be able to bring them back. And, you know, I really appreciated that you talked about not just beliefs, because that’s what we hear so much about. In fact, when you were talking in the beginning you’re saying, you know, we think of people who don’t believe in the Bible anymore, don’t believe in God. And that’s not what we’re finding, by and large with a lot of these groups. But where we’re not looking is the sense of belonging and the behavior. So, would you talk just a little bit about that? and why this is important? MICHAEL GRAHAM 37:30 Yeah. In sociology of religion, Jim and I learned from our conversations with Ryan, that they have these three categories of belief, behavior and belonging. I think in the 20th century, most of the ways in which we communicated the gospel to people was belief centric. And when you look at like, apologetic literature from that century, most of it is focusing on, oh, the claims of the Bible, or the claims of Jesus, or the Gospels are true. And it’s okay, that’s good. But I think the kinds of questions that we’ve seen more frequently, in the last decade or two, have been questions about whether is Jesus good? Or Is he beautiful? And what does that mean for me in terms of how I relate to other people and to community? And so those are more of belonging-type questions than truth questions. And so, I think that it is important for us that we be building healthier institutions. And like I said before, we want to have churches that emphasize the truth of the gospel, the goodness of the gospel, and the beauty of the gospel. Is the Jesus way a path towards to human flourishing to me?, will I find people who treat me with the fruit of the Spirit, with love, joy, patience, peace, all of these kinds of things? The good news about all of that is those are things that are within our control. We can walk and keep in step with the Spirit. And we can bring the kinds of change needed at the institutional level, to try to really bring our churches in line and instep with the Holy Spirit and inline and in step with what God has revealed in his word. And as we do those things, we can be building beautiful places for people. Will those things ever be perfect or whatever? No. But I think that impulse to be always reforming. It needs to be there. And we need to be willing to have hard conversations with ourselves calmly. But we need to be willing to hold up mirrors to ourselves and ask ourselves, How can we do better? Julie Roys 39:48 A question that you asked in the book that I think is powerful, is does your church operate more like an event or a family? And I have found it just in so many churches, it is an event where you can come, and you can go, and nobody even knows you. And it’s no wonder if that’s what people think of the church that they’re leaving. So, if there’s not that family component, yeah, they’re just not going to stay. I think it was interesting, too, that you found that online church is basically a back door. Like people might go there for a while. But if they’re not connecting relationally, which how can you, you're a virtual church?, they ended up leaving, and I thought, on the behavior side, where you talked about that the church talk about hypocrisy, if they don’t see our beliefs and our actions lining up, they’re not going to stay. And so, we can only touch the surface, really, in a podcast, but the book, I would just highly, highly recommend. There’s so many good things in there, I think, instructive for us, and how we can do better how we can reach out, but how we need to be something different, I think, before we can even invite people to what we have, because if we’re not really functioning healthy as a church, then we can’t invite people to it. But before you go, I just want to give you an opportunity to any last thoughts that you’d like to say, to those, and especially those right now who are listening, who, they’re still dechurched, they’ve had it. MICHAEL GRAHAM 41:21 What I want to say is that, regardless of how people, humans, and human institutions have hurt and harmed or failed you, I have never been hurt or harmed by Jesus. And I continue to fall more in love with just the goodness of his gospel. And look, I’ve been before, in my current role I’ve been a pastor for some 15 years. And I should probably be dechurched based on the things that I’ve seen over the years. There’s nothing that’s in the book, aside from the parental pain, I don’t have that there. But pretty much any other category that you can talk about, I’ve seen it, and I should be at risk. But I just know at the end of the day, if anybody else had the words of life, I would go and I would go there, but nobody else has the words of life but Christ, and he has died for his church. Is she a mess? Yeah. Is some of her parts way more messed up than others? Yes. Some to a fatal extent? Yes. Should there be some institutions that don’t exist? Yes. However, and sometimes for certain people, it’s going to be more proximate than others. But there are still good places where you can find that, where the body of Christ functions like a family. So, I’d encourage you to go back to God’s Word and look at all those one another's that are there in the text and find a place where you see those one another’s embodied, and where you can see that the truth, goodness, and beauty of the gospel all in one place. There’s just such tremendous hope in Jesus. It is the treasure in a field that is worth selling, metaphorically speaking, all that you have to go and pursue. Only Christ as the words of life. And only in Him can we find redemption, and the hope of a future where re-creation is happening, and redemption is happening as far as the curse is found. Julie Roys 43:46 So good. And I think what we’re finding is that people are open to Jesus. It’s just the church. So, I do pray. I know for me; I feel just extraordinarily grateful that I found a body of believers and it’s been a lifeline for me. So, I just pray for that for other people. But I thank you, Michael, for helping us understand these different groups of people and also understanding what maybe we’re doing wrong that we can fix. Appreciate that, love your book. So, thank you again, so much for taking the time. MICHAEL GRAHAM 44:17 Thank you, Julie. Appreciate it. Julie Roys 44:19 And thanks so much for listening to The Roys Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. I’m Julie Roys. 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