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The Who Cares News podcast
Ep. 2862: Shockingly Past The Expiration Date

The Who Cares News podcast

Play Episode Listen Later May 13, 2025 9:36


(Airdate: 5-9-25) Leonardo DiCaprio made his very first Met Gala appearance—kind of. The ever-elusive star skipped the carpet, snuck into the museum, and let girlfriend Vittoria Ceretti—who, at 26, is shockingly past Leo's usual dating expiration. Reese Witherspoon has a lot of names, but her 12-year-old calls her “Morty,” and even she doesn't know why. From “R Dubs” to “Ladybug,” we unpack the names Reese answers to. Simon Cowell revealed on the "How to Fail" podcast that a couple once offered him $150,000 to judge them during sex. Cowell declined the offer, describing the proposition as "bizarre." And @HalleBerry Listen to the daily Van Camp and Morgan radio show at: https://vancampandmorgan.com/stations buy us a coffee    

Mega Mixtape
Interview with a Dweller: Ian Cowell

Mega Mixtape

Play Episode Listen Later May 11, 2025 3:24


Ian Cowell, el "exceptional goblin", nos habla sobre su música en el contexto de DoD y nos ofrece una excelente versión estilo reggae de "Busted Bayou".

How To Fail With Elizabeth Day
Simon Cowell - ‘I often think: what gives me the right to judge people?'

How To Fail With Elizabeth Day

Play Episode Listen Later May 7, 2025 62:26


Simon Cowell has built an entertainment empire on his ability to say exactly what he thinks and an uncanny ability to judge the public mood. From launching Pop Idol in 2001, The X Factor in 2004 and the cultural behemoth Britain's Got Talent in 2007, he has been at the helm of primetime around the world for over a quarter of a century. His TV shows and Syco record label have shaped the careers of everyone from One Direction to Little Mix, Susan Boyle and Leona Lewis. But his success hasn't come without its struggles. For the first time, Cowell opens up about his biggest failures and regrets - an extraordinary thing to hear from one of the most successful men on the planet. We chat about fame, bankruptcy, loss, being ‘obnoxious' and whether he has any regrets. Plus: what breaking his back and a near-death experience taught him and why he thinks we needs another referendum on Brexit. Britain's Got Talent is currently airing on ITV, and America's Got Talent celebrates its 20th year this summer on NBC. ‘The biggest risk is being safe' - Elizabeth and Simon answer YOUR questions in our subscriber series, Failing with Friends. Join our community of subscribers here: https://howtofail.supportingcast.fm/#content Have something to share of your own? I'd love to hear from you! Click here to get in touch: howtofailpod.com

Main Street Reimagined Podcast
Episode 39: Putting Past Experiences to Work in City Leadership with Mike Bodine & Rob Cowell

Main Street Reimagined Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later May 7, 2025 49:36 Transcription Available


City of Marion Service Director Mike Bodine and Safety Director Rob Cowell join host Luke Henry to reveal how their unexpected career paths prepared them for public service—and how they're leveraging those skills to secure millions in grant funding for betterment of the city.Behind every successful community initiative lies a network of relationships years in the making. "You never know what's going to come back around," Bodine shares, explaining how connections from his past have resurfaced to create powerful collaborations. From hiring a dedicated grant writer who's already secured multiple funding opportunities to partnering with the local vocational school to replace blighted properties with student-built homes, Marion's approach demonstrates how creativity and persistence can overcome limited resources.The city's innovative fire station project exemplifies their pragmatic problem-solving. Rather than building entirely from scratch, they're repurposing a 15-year-old building that could save taxpayers upwards of two million dollars. It's this kind of thinking that recently earned Marion recognition as "Strongest Town in the United States and Canada," mobilizing schools, businesses, and citizens in a display of community pride that surprised even its leaders.For anyone involved in community development, this conversation offers invaluable insights into turning grand visions into practical reality. The directors' emphasis on relationship-building, creative funding strategies, and patient persistence provides a roadmap for communities facing similar challenges. Whether you're a local Marion resident or a change-maker in your own town, their experiences demonstrate how collaborative effort can trigger the ripple effects that transform communities from within.Guest Links:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/cityofmarionohioMain Street Reimagined:Facebook: facebook.com/MainStreetReimaginedThe Main Street Reimagined Podcast, Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqfkmF5bRH0od1d3iiYKs3oEn_gvMYk7NHenry Development Group:Facebook: facebook.com/henrydevelopmentgroupWebsite: www.henrydevelopmentgroup.comDeveloping News Newsletter: https://mailchi.mp/33110524eb5c/developing-newsLuke Henry:LinkedIn: linkedin.com/luhenryFacebook: facebook.com/luke.henry.148#CityOfMarion #CommunityLeadership #PublicService #LocalGovernment #CivicInnovation #CommunityCollaboration #MarionIndiana #LeadershipStories #LocalPodcast #CityProjects #UrbanInnovation #CommunityDevelopment #ServiceAndSafety #CityLeaders #SmallTownBigImpact #PublicSafety #CommunityConnections #BehindTheScenes #LocalHeroes #InnovativeCities

Your Radical Truth podcast
029: The Forgotten Half of God: How Catherine Cowell is Reframing Spirituality for Women

Your Radical Truth podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 25, 2025 43:22


For centuries, many have viewed God through a single lens—male, paternal, kingly. But what if we've only been seeing half the image? In this powerful episode of Your Radical Truth podcast, host Margaret Mary O'Connor sits down with spiritual director and author Catherine Cowell to explore the often-overlooked feminine side of God. From hidden biblical metaphors to personal awakenings, this conversation invites us all to re-examine the divine with fresh eyes. Meet Catherine Cowell: A Guide for Spiritual Exploration Catherine Cowell is no stranger to deep reflection and meaningful mentorship. As an adoptive parent, she works closely with families of children with additional needs, helping them weave together parenting and spirituality—a focus that also shapes her current PhD research. In addition to her coaching and spiritual direction, Catherine is the host of the Loved, Called, Gifted podcast, where she unpacks themes of identity, purpose, and faith. Based in Stoke-on-Trent, England, Catherine brings both scholarly insight and lived experience to her work. The Question That Opened a Door Catherine recalls the pivotal moment that set her on this journey. Over lunch, a friend casually remarked, “If men and women are both made in God's image, then God must be just as feminine as masculine.” That simple statement stirred something unexpected within her. “I felt both agreement and discomfort,” she shares. “It was like my inner ‘good Christian' voice told me not to go there. But I couldn't ignore the nudge.” That nudge eventually led to Finding God's Feminine Side, a book that challenges traditional paradigms and invites readers to explore the feminine within the divine. More at: www.YourRadicalTruth.com/029-Catherine-Cowell

FreightCasts
WHAT THE TRUCK?!? EP817 ‘Liberation Day' tariffs scaled back; impact of port fees; sober in supply chain

FreightCasts

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 24, 2025 45:33


On Episode 817 of WHAT THE TRUCK?!?, Dooner is talking to OEC Group's Erik Rosica about “Liberation Day” tariffs and the impact of port fees. With rumblings that April 2 tariffs may be scaled back, will it spell relief for global supply chains? Dooner quit drinking in November 2016 after a 19-year battle with alcoholism. He recently talked about the experience on Whitney Johnson Cowell's new podcast “Dry Conversations.” We'll find out why Cowell started the show and whom she hopes to help on the road to recovery. When your shipment absolutely has got to be there, no better way than to hand-carry it yourself. We'll learn how the world of critical deliveries works from OBC One founder Jonathan Kolb. Plus, swapping DOT numbers; stolen containers; how tankers work; and more. Check out Dooner's Ted Talk on his own battle with alcoholism Catch new shows live at noon EDT Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays on FreightWaves LinkedIn, Facebook, X or YouTube, or on demand by looking up WHAT THE TRUCK?!? on your favorite podcast player and at 5 p.m. Eastern on SiriusXM's Road Dog Trucking Channel 146. Watch on YouTube Check out the WTT merch store Visit our sponsor Subscribe to the WTT newsletter Apple Podcasts Spotify More FreightWaves Podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What The Truck?!?
‘Liberation Day' tariffs scaled back; impact of port fees; sober in supply chain

What The Truck?!?

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 24, 2025 45:33


On Episode 817 of WHAT THE TRUCK?!?, Dooner is talking to OEC Group's Erik Rosica about “Liberation Day” tariffs and the impact of port fees. With rumblings that April 2 tariffs may be scaled back, will it spell relief for global supply chains? Dooner quit drinking in November 2016 after a 19-year battle with alcoholism. He recently talked about the experience on Whitney Johnson Cowell's new podcast “Dry Conversations.” We'll find out why Cowell started the show and whom she hopes to help on the road to recovery. When your shipment absolutely has got to be there, no better way than to hand-carry it yourself. We'll learn how the world of critical deliveries works from OBC One founder Jonathan Kolb. Plus, swapping DOT numbers; stolen containers; how tankers work; and more. Check out Dooner's Ted Talk on his own battle with alcoholism Catch new shows live at noon EDT Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays on FreightWaves LinkedIn, Facebook, X or YouTube, or on demand by looking up WHAT THE TRUCK?!? on your favorite podcast player and at 5 p.m. Eastern on SiriusXM's Road Dog Trucking Channel 146. Watch on YouTube Check out the WTT merch store Visit our sponsor Subscribe to the WTT newsletter Apple Podcasts Spotify More FreightWaves Podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

F1: Beyond The Grid
Andy Cowell: ‘we want to win'

F1: Beyond The Grid

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 19, 2025 52:54


Aston Martin's Team Principal knows what it takes to win in Formula 1. Andy Cowell leads a team which now includes Adrian Newey. They have the newest factory in the sport. Fernando Alonso and Lance Stroll are in the driving seat. Owner Lawrence Stroll is funding the team's future. When will these ingredients bring trophies? Andy tells Tom Clarkson that Aston Martin are in ‘the building phase' against ‘mighty' opponents, but he's confident they will overtake their rivals. He compares his current job to his time winning championships with Mercedes, and explains why F1's new era of racing with sustainable fuel from 2026 is so important. He also shares his hope that partnering with Honda will give them an advantage. It's All To Drive For. Be there! Book your seat at a 2025 Grand Prix – tickets.formula1.com This episode is sponsored by: Bitdefender: Team partner of Ferrari. Visit Bitdefender.com to learn more about how Bitdefender supports Ferrari to stay ahead of cyber threats and how you can make your digital life safer. Saily: get an exclusive 15% discount on your first Saily data plans! Use code grid at checkout. Download Saily app or go to to https://saily.com/grid Shopify: sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial period at shopify.com/beyondthegrid

Dingers: A Chicago Cubs Fan Podcast
CUBS Opening Day Preview JAPAN SERIES W/ BLAKE COWELL

Dingers: A Chicago Cubs Fan Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 18, 2025 31:05


Opening Day is here, and we're breaking down the Cubs vs. Dodgers series to kick off the season! Get the coffee ready for some early morning baseball as the team heads to Japan. We're joined by special guest Blake Cowell to talk all things Cubs, from roster expectations to key matchups in the opener. We also take a deep dive into the first month of the season, where the Cubs face a tough April schedule. Can they weather the early tests and set the tone for 2025? Tune in for all the insights and predictions! Subscribe:    / @dingersachicagocubsfanpodc824   Talk #Cubs baseball on our facebook group:   / 188995809182063   @dingercubs is presented by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠OnTapSportsNet.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, your go-to source for Cubs news⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, analysis, and updates. Follow us on social media: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@Diingercubs⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@OnTapSportsNet⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Panelists: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@dingercubs | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@baseball_buj | @wycoffjd23 | Follow us on Twitter: @dingercubs Follow us on Instagram: @dingercubs TikTok: @dingercubs Find us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/dingercubs

Chequered Flag Formula 1
Back At Base S2: 6. Total Commitment

Chequered Flag Formula 1

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 26, 2025 40:15


The McLaren and Aston Martin Formula 1 teams are preparing for a “Super Sunday” in Brazil. For just the sixth time in the sport's history, both qualifying and the race are taking place on the same day. Stormy weather is testing the teams' resources and resolve at the Interlagos Circuit, home to the Sao Paulo Grand Prix. The teams and drivers arrive at the track at the crack of dawn, ready to think on their feet in a marathon day ahead.After a well-orchestrated performance in Saturday's Sprint Race, Championship contenders McLaren are looking to seize advantage on Sunday. Lando Norris and Oscar Piastri know they must work together to claim maximum points for the team. At Aston Martin, Fernando Alonso and Lance Stroll sense an opportunity in the wet. All the drivers know that rain can level the playing field at any grand prix, and this weekend is no different. It's the Monday after the race before. Brazil's historic Interlagos circuit staged another epic grand prix, and one which may prove pivotal in McLaren's hunt for both World titles. Now, it's time for the Aston Martin and McLaren teams to return to their factories. Back at base, they can analyse their performance with the bulk of the team who don't travel to the races. Aston Martin race engineers Chris Cronin and Andrew Vizard explain how vital the factory debriefs are to understanding what went right - or wrong - after every race, and how to take the learnings into the next event. Drivers Stroll and Alonso may be taking time to recuperate after an epic race weekend but they stay in touch with their engineers and work going on back at base.At McLaren, team boss Andrea Stella is making it his mission to create a winning culture at the factory, as well as at the track. The Italian is only in his second season as team principal but has driven the team into title contention. Back at base, he shares some of the secrets to his success so far.Aston Martin are also plotting a renaissance under new Group CEO Andy Cowell. Our guides Sarah Holt and Holly Samos are given a VIP pass to join the workforce assembled at the heart of the factory as Cowell makes his first address to the team.While Aston Martin are looking to the future, McLaren must focus on the present. This is a team who has won multiple World titles. Now the factory is fixed on ending the 26-year wait for the next Constructors' crown and they are determined to protect their lead over rivals Ferrari and Red Bull. British star Lando Norris hasn't given up his hopes of reeling in reigning champion Max Verstappen in the drivers' standings. With three races left to go in the 2024 season, there is still all to play for. F1:Back at Base is narrated by Josh Hartnett. It is created and produced by Sarah Holt and Holly Samos and is an IMG Production for the BBC.

IBM Analytics Insights Podcasts
🎙️ Mastering Data Literacy with Matt Cowell, CEO of QuantHub, now with InRule {Replay} 🎧

IBM Analytics Insights Podcasts

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 26, 2025 46:10


Send us a textIn this special replay episode of Making Data Simple, Al Martin sits down with Matt Cowell, CEO of QuantHub, to dive deep into data literacy, upskilling, and solving learning challenges. Matt shares his expertise on defining data fluency, the best ways to learn, and how organizations can close the data skill gap. From client use cases to leadership insights, this episode is packed with valuable takeaways for businesses and individuals navigating the data-driven world.Show Notes & Chapter Markers:⏳ 2:25 – From SVP of Products to Data Learning Business

Making Data Simple

Send us a textIn this special replay episode of Making Data Simple, Al Martin sits down with Matt Cowell, CEO of QuantHub, to dive deep into data literacy, upskilling, and solving learning challenges. Matt shares his expertise on defining data fluency, the best ways to learn, and how organizations can close the data skill gap. From client use cases to leadership insights, this episode is packed with valuable takeaways for businesses and individuals navigating the data-driven world.Show Notes & Chapter Markers:⏳ 2:25 – From SVP of Products to Data Learning Business

Keep Pushing F1
¡Vuelve la Fórmula 1 en 2025!

Keep Pushing F1

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 18, 2025 58:12


Ya estamos aquí de nuevo para comentar una nueva temporada de Fórmula 1. El martes 18 de febrero a las 21:00 h, Liberty Media tiene preparada la presentación oficial de los 10 equipos que competirán este año, así que nosotros vamos calentando el ambiente. Además, durante nuestro merecido descanso, han ocurrido algunas noticias importantes que comentamos en el episodio: Franco a Renault, Cowell por Krack, el bocas de Herbert a la calle, Bottas pone nervioso a Antonelli y ¡un chino en Ferrari! Gracias por escucharnos de nuevo y ¡¡Keep Pushing!!

Founder Story: Happiness is an Inside Job and a Spreadsheet! How to Achieve Sustainable Success in the Training Industry, with Murray Cowell, aka 'The Grizzled Veteran of the Training World!' & Founder of Accelerando

"The Good Listening To" Podcast with me Chris Grimes! (aka a "GLT with me CG!")

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 9, 2025 54:10 Transcription Available


Send us a textMurray Cowell, aka 'The Grizzled Veteran of the Training World!' is an extraordinarily lovely man and this is a wonderful rich episode, suffused with great storytelling, life reflection and wisdom. He is a seasoned Trainer and a very strong advocate indeed for helping fellow Trainers, Coaches & Training Consultancies to both succeed & sustain in all their endeavours, through his company Accelerando. Murray shares his transformative journey from overcoming early setbacks to building a successful career in coaching and training. His insights into personal happiness, community engagement, and the critical importance of mental health advocacy inspire listeners to reflect on their paths to fulfilment and growth.• Murray's early move to Somerset ignited a desire for a sense of belonging • Emphasizes the importance of understanding different levels within organizations • Discusses happiness as an internal journey shaped by life experiences • Shares creativity and passion for food and music as vital elements of life • Introduces the Client Find Club for fostering connections in the training industry • Advocates for mental health discussions through suicide prevention effortsWhat if you could break free from the feast and famine cycle of the Training industry? Join us as we sit down with Murray Cowell, a revered figure in the training world and founder of Accelerando, to uncover the secrets behind scaling and growing training businesses sustainably. With over 27 years of experience, Murray shares his journey from his formative years in Somerset, how his background shaped his unique ability to spot potential in both people and businesses, and the impactful stories that have defined his career. Murray's passion extends beyond the boardroom, and in this episode, we explore the vibrant tapestry of his interests outside professional pursuits. From his affinity for composing music and performing at legendary venues to his love for camping and outdoor adventures, Murray's life is a testament to the harmony between work and play. He also shares his admiration for the band Fontaines DC and recounts his connection to Somerset traditions, offering listeners a glimpse into the personal experiences that have fueled his relentless pursuit of excellence.The conversation takes a delightful turn as we discuss the synergy found in coaching calls and the unexpected connection between spreadsheet skills and collaboration. Murray's signature Caramel Tres Leches cake becomes an emblem of how personal passions can enrich professional endeavors. We reflect on wisdom from Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" and consider the alignment of business objectives with personal and professional growth. Whether you're a training industry veteran or just starting out, Murray's insights promise to inspiTune in next week for more stories of 'Distinction & Genius' from The Good Listening To Show 'Clearing'. If you would like to be my Guest too then you can find out HOW via the different 'series strands' at 'The Good Listening To Show' website. Show Website: https://www.thegoodlisteningtoshow.com You can email me about the Show: chris@secondcurve.uk Twitter thatchrisgrimes LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-grimes-actor-broadcaster-facilitator-coach/ FaceBook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/842056403204860 Don't forget to SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW wherever you get your Podcasts :) Thanks for listening!

Ransom Note
Tia Cousins b2b Matt Cowell - The Ransom Note Mix

Ransom Note

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 13, 2025 122:35


On the 20th September 2024, we hosted a joint party with Spezialmaterial at Zukunft in Zurich. Here's a 2 hour snippet taken from Tia Cousins and Matt Cowell's b2b.

Sports Show with Rowey & Bicks
INTERVIEW: Asa Cowell - 13 January 2025

Sports Show with Rowey & Bicks

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 13, 2025 14:31 Transcription Available


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The Rhythm Section
SUNDAY REPLAY | Matt Montgomery & David Cowell, Supernova Sound [7/3/23]

The Rhythm Section

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 22, 2024 54:26


This week the owners of Supernova Sound Memphis, Matt Montgomery and David Cowell, stop by the studio to talk with us about how they started the studio, saving the day at a recent Tora Tora show at Minglewood Hall, developing Memphis band Sleep Theory into a national touring act, and tons more! Apple - https://bit.ly/3rqqZLP Spotify - https://bit.ly/3EJOGBO YouTube - https://bit.ly/3UgqsY2   HOW TO SUPPORT THE PODCAST If you find it in your heart to donate to the cause and help fuel the podcast you can do so through our new Venmo and CashApp. Your support is greatly appreciated and will help shine a brighter spotlight on the great Memphis Music Community. Venmo - @‌therhythmsectionpod CashApp - $therhythmsectionpod   Thanks for tuning in and supporting the Rhythm Section Podcast.

ScreenFish Radio
Episode 158: Bitch, I'm Early's Jesse Cowell tells us why he hates office culture

ScreenFish Radio

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 13, 2024 14:41


Jesse Cowell hates office culture and now, he's ready to show the world. Premiering at Dances with Films NYC '24, the new short BITCH, I'M EARLY tells the story of two women, a generation apart, who get caught up in the battle for a promotion in their company. Determined to be first into work to show their dedication to the job, the two women engage in an all-out race to prove their worth. In this 1on1, we speak to Cowell about how office culture de-humanizes us and being caught up in blame.

It’s a Fandom Thing
Special Interview: Writer and Director Jesse “Jeskid” Cowell

It’s a Fandom Thing

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 10, 2024 18:19


In this special interview episode, Erin talks with filmmaker Jesse “Jeskid” Cowell about his new short film, B!tch I'm Early. “B!tch I'm Early” delivers a masterclass in comedic timing and mounting tension with an eclectic, diverse cast to back it up. This six-minute gem manages to pack the punch of a full feature, hilariously skewering corporate culture while reminding us that in the rat race, we're all running in circles. For excellent bonus content and ad-free versions, please support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/itsafandomthingpod. You can follow us on Facebook: facebook.com/itsafandomthingpod Twitter: @fandomthingpod Instagram: @itsafandomthingpod Discord: https://discord.com/channels/1042986989349257216/1042987584151879762 You can follow Fergie on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@schroederandfergs Cover art by Carla Temis. Podcast logo by Erin Amos. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Deeprhythms.com mixes podcast
Guest mix #143 Matt Cowell for Deeprhythms

Deeprhythms.com mixes podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 3, 2024


Photo Credit – Kate Green If you’re plugged into the London music scene, chances are you’ve crossed paths with Matt Cowell. I've had the pleasure of crossing paths with Matt a few times both on his home turf and under the Tisno sun. Each time his friendly and positive nature has stood out as much […] Whole Entry: https://deeprhythms.com/guest_mixes/143_matt_cowell_for_deeprhythms/

The Worm Hole Podcast
110: Emma Cowell (The Island Love Song)

The Worm Hole Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 25, 2024 63:13


Charlie and Emma Cowell (The Island Love Song) discuss the Greek island of Hydra, reactions from readers in regards to IVF and polyamory plot threads, early onset dementia, and the Parthenon sculptures. A transcript is available on my site General references: Leonard Cohen's Bird On A Wire The photo of the lady in shadow that Emma took The Pirate Bar, Hydra Books mentioned by name or extensively: Emma Cowell: One Last Letter From Greece Emma Cowell: The House In The Olive Grove Emma Cowell: The Island Love Song Emma Cowell: Under The Lemon Tree Buy the books: UK || USA Release details: recorded 9th July 2024; published 25th November 2024 Where to find Emma online: Website || Twitter || Facebook || Instagram Where to find Charlie online: Website || Twitter || Instagram || TikTok Discussions 02:20 The inspiration - the Greek island of Hydra 04:10 The conflict in the book, siblings, and how being on an island makes it more dramatic 06:04 The island as a character 07:41 Why it was important to explore sisterhood and non-chosen family 13:40 Writing Georgia in all her chaos and character progression 18:24 Ella and having to live with your ex having wrote a song about you 20:18 Emma tells us about the songs in the book (they exist!) and her musical background 24:32 Leonard Cohen's influence in terms of Hydra, and Hydra's lack of technology 27:51 Emma's use of the island of Dokos and writing about researching Greek food at The Pirate Bar 34:29 Emma discusses IVF journeys, parenthood, and readers who contact her to thank her for the way she includes fertility and romantic issues. We then move on to a time in Greece where there were very problematic adoptions 40:00 The concept of twin flames 42:32 Emma's inclusion of early onset dementia 48:27 Why Emma set her 'present day' storyline in 2016 - student days and mobile phone usage 51:15 Emma's thoughts on returning the Elgin marbles/Parthenon sculptures 54:05 What's next - the book to be named Under The Lemon Tree. This morphs into a longer conversation about how Emma writes and plots 58:52 What Emma cut from The Island Love Song Disclosure: If you buy books linked to my site, I may earn a commission from Bookshop.org, whose fees support independent bookshops

Seriously Mysterious
Silencing Asia Cowell

Seriously Mysterious

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 19, 2024 17:44


Asia Cowell was finally going to stand up for herself and others, but someone didn't want her talking.If you have any information that can help law enforcement continue processing Asia's original case against Desean Corum, please call the Norfolk Virginia Police Department at (757) 664-7000. Do you have any insights, or even a case you'd like to suggest?  Feel free to send it to me, you'll find a comment form and case submission link at LordanArts.com, or you can follow and message me on X @LordanArtsThank you Heavy.com, Iheart.com, wavy.com, 13newsnow.com, wtkr.com, msn.com and Wikipedia for information contributing to today's story.This episode was written by Christy Arnhart, edited by John Lordan and is produced by LordanArts.This is not intended to act as a means of proving or disproving anything related to the investigation or potential charges associated to the investigation.  It is a conversation about the current known facts and theories being discussed.  Please do not contact people you are suspicious of or attempt to harass, threaten or intimidate them in any way. Do not release information that can be used to do the same, or join in attacks being conducted by others.  Everyone directly or indirectly referred to is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

FOQN Funny
Puppet Showdown: Cowell Can't Stop Laughing!

FOQN Funny

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 12, 2024 18:41


True Murder: The Most Shocking Killers
DARK TIDE-Edna Cowell Martin and Megan Atkinson

True Murder: The Most Shocking Killers

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 4, 2024 88:59


Including never-before-seen photos and handwritten letters from Ted Bundy, Dark Tide's message is as gut-wrenching as it is clear, asking the question: how well do we know those we trust most?Edna's world turned upside down when her close cousin, Ted Bundy, was linked to the gruesome murders that had plagued her hometown of Seattle. Both devastating and dangerous, she reveals her journey of discovering the truth about her cousin who was more like a sibling, a man she loved, admired, and thought she knew so well. Edna delves into the unbelievable and chilling episodes she experienced, from confronting Ted and discovering a side of him she never suspected to waking to the FBI at her door after he escaped jail.Whether searching memories for signs she'd missed or detailing scenes of life under the radar in a world still fixated on her cousin, Edna's account tells the Ted Bundy story from a critical, new perspective: someone who called him family. DARK TIDE: Growing Up With Ted Bundy-Edna Cowell Martin and Megan Atkinson  Follow and comment on Facebook-TRUE MURDER: The Most Shocking Killers in True Crime History https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100064697978510Check out TRUE MURDER PODCAST @ truemurderpodcast.com

Perpetual Traffic
How to Charismatically Market Your Business Like Trump, Cowell & Mr. Wonderful

Perpetual Traffic

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 29, 2024 53:34


Ralph and Lauren dive into the importance of authenticity in personal and business branding. They discuss how letting unique traits shine can create a memorable and compelling brand identity. They also tackle the impact of charisma and the role of bold, sometimes polarizing choices in differentiating yourself from competitors. Discussing that standing out means attracting the right audience and being unafraid to repel others, Ralph and Lauren explore how leaning into one's true personality can be a powerful business strategy.Chapters00:00:00 Start with Ralph and Lauren00:00:25 A Quick Debate on Heights and Humor00:01:51 Authenticity in the World of Social Media00:03:09 Unpacking the Power of Charisma00:03:41 Goodreads Goals and Personal Ambitions00:04:12 Inside Lauren's Marketing Mindset00:06:05 Why Being Polarizing Matters00:14:45 Charismatic Leaders and Their Influence00:22:53 Navigating Marketing Industry Challenges00:27:57 Leaving the Corporate Grind Behind00:28:13 Rethinking the Agency Model00:28:26 Diving Deep into Client Goals00:28:57 Revisiting the Power of Charisma00:29:40 Narcissism Meets Leadership00:30:23 Relatable Corporate Stories00:32:55 The Legendary Kennedy-Nixon Debate00:35:14 Ryan Reynolds: Charisma Personified00:38:01 Public Persona vs. Private Self00:41:13 Making a Stand in Marketing00:50:24 The Power and Purpose of Branding00:52:19 Wrapping Up with Next StepsLINKS AND RESOURCES:The McCartney Legacy: Volume 1: 1969 – 73Absolute Charisma: How Highly Charismatic People Think, Act, and Speak to Charm and Influence People with Ease (Communication Skills and Charisma Development, Book 4)Get Your Marketing Performance Indicators™ Checklist Now!Kennedy vs. Nixon: The first 1960 presidential debateTier 11 JobsPerpetual Traffic on YouTubeTiereleven.comMongoose MediaPerpetual Traffic SurveyPerpetual Traffic WebsiteFollow Perpetual Traffic on TwitterConnect with Lauren on Instagram and Connect with Ralph on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Perpetual Traffic? Have some feedback you'd like to share? Connect with us on

Trans* Lesson Plan
Soaring Beyond Expectations: The Trailblazing Life of Roberta Cowell

Trans* Lesson Plan

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 7, 2024 22:18


In this captivating episode of the Trans Lesson Plan Podcast, we delve into the extraordinary life of Roberta Cowell, a pioneering figure in transgender history. From her daring exploits as a World War II Spitfire pilot to becoming one of the first individuals in Britain to undergo gender-affirming surgery, Cowell's journey is a testament to courage, resilience, and authenticity. Join us as we explore Cowell's early life, her wartime experiences, and the challenges she faced in her post-war transition. This episode offers a nuanced look at Cowell's complex legacy, acknowledging both her groundbreaking achievements and the controversies surrounding some of her later statements. It's a story of triumph over adversity, the power of living authentically, and the ongoing struggle for transgender rights and recognition. ---------------------------------------------------------- @translessonplan @mariiiwrld Merch: https://trans-lesson-plan.printify.me/products Subscribe to our newsletter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://mailchi.mp/a914d2eca1cf/trans-lesson-plan --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/translessonplan/support

Psychology and Stuff
Episode 154: Am I the A**hole? (w/ Dr. Jason Cowell)

Psychology and Stuff

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 2, 2024 37:32


In this podcast episode, Dr. Jason Cowell explores the dynamics of the popular subreddit "Am I the Asshole?" (AITA), emphasizing how it serves as an important platform for individuals seeking validation and connection. Dr. Cowell argues that AITA allows users to find their community, affirming moral convictions shaped by years of personal experience. In this space, people grapple with complex issues of right and wrong, often concluding that moral clarity is elusive unless significant harm is involved. This quest for validation is deeply intertwined with our identities, as we yearn for acceptance and reassurance that our beliefs are justified. Ultimately, Dr. Cowell highlights that the motivations behind seeking such validation often stem from feelings of isolation in judgment—underscoring a fundamental human desire for connection and affirmation in an increasingly judgmental world.

Dream Chimney: Mix of the Week
Mix of the Week #551: Matt Cowell

Dream Chimney: Mix of the Week

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 23, 2024 61:05


Mix of the Week #551 is by Matt Cowell Follow and include @matt-cowell in your track ID requests ✉️ DC Email list: eepurl.com/dN23Jw ~

ABC SPORT Daily
BONUS: Brendan Cowell on the Venn diagram of footy, poetry and Andrew Johns

ABC SPORT Daily

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 22, 2024 10:06


Brendan Cowell is an actor, author and rugby league tragic and his book Plum has been turned into into a six-part drama series on the ABC. He also stars in the program that delves into the intersection between concussion, art and life after footy. We speak to Cowell about why he thought this topic was so important and how he wove real stories into a fiction tale.Featured: Brendan Cowell, Actor/Author.Subscribe to the ABC Sport Newsletter

RealAgriculture's Podcasts
The Agronomists, Ep 167: Mighty micronutrients with Aaron Breimer and Lyle Cowell

RealAgriculture's Podcasts

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 17, 2024 63:11


Strange colours, whip tail ends, and misshapen leaves can all point to one thing: a micronutrient deficiency. While not overly common, a micronutrient deficient area of a field usually goes from not good to very bad very quickly. To unpack what micronutrient trouble to expect, how to identify different issues, and how and when to... Read More

Peloteros PQ
T09 E19 | COWELL CONVOCADO CON ESTADOS UNIDOS | CHIVAS PREPARA AMISTOSO EN FECHA FIFA

Peloteros PQ

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 5, 2024 95:56


#Chivas suma un convocado más en esta fecha FIFA con Cade Cowell llamado por Estados Unidos al equipo mayor. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peloteros-pq/support

Protect Species Podcast
Plants in Peril: The Unseen Battle Against Succulent Smuggling

Protect Species Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 19, 2024 38:09 Transcription Available


Succulents probably aren't the first species to spring to mind when you hear the word "smuggling," but these are plants in peril. Join us as we sit down with Dr. Carly Cowell, a leading expert from the Succulent Plant Illegal Trade Task Force, for an eye-opening conversation about the vast and diverse world of succulents. From the resilient aloe and agave to rare, lesser-known species, Carly takes us through her journey from horticulture in South Africa to her crucial role in conservation policy at Botanic Gardens Conservation International in London. Discover the incredible adaptations that allow these plants to thrive in arid climates and learn about the vital ecological roles they play.We unravel the complex web of threats facing succulent plants, focusing on the rampant illegal trade amplified by technology and the internet. Dr. Cowell provides a historical perspective on how cacti were listed under CITES in the 1970s and reveals the modern-day conservation challenges exacerbated by climate change. The discussion touches on innovative solutions like relocating plant populations and the unique seed dispersal mechanisms that succulents use to survive. This segment is not just informative but also a call to action for all plant enthusiasts to be mindful of the origins of their botanical treasures.Links:IUCN SSC Cactus and Succulent Plants Specialist GroupBotanic Gardens Conservation InternationalCITESDr. Carly Cowell

Code Story
Replay: Matt Cowell, Quanthub

Code Story

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 13, 2024 29:20


Matt Cowell didn't start out in tech. In fact, he studied the chemical world heavily in school, getting his Bachelors in Chemistry and Masters in Chemical Engineering. So - by trade, he was clearly a chemist. However, when he joined Accenture, he started in with programming and establishing the SDLC methodology for the company. Matt is married with 2 kids, loves sports - specifically Illinois basketball - loves to play music and golf. He likes to travel with his wife to see family, and make frequent visits to their lakehouse.In his professional past, Matt had held several roles in SaaS companies and startups. He met a company that was an artificial intelligence consultancy, which had a POC around assessments. They wanted to start up a separate company to support launch this POC and take it to market. This is when Matt got involved.This is the creation story of QuantHub.LinksWebsite: https://quanthub.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattcowell/Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/code-story/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Deadly Passions, Terrible Joys
Roberta Cowell: Racing driver, fighter pilot, and complex trans pioneer

Deadly Passions, Terrible Joys

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 25, 2024 49:13


The motorsport world is full of fantastic and particular experiences, but there is one driver's life story that has always particularly fascinated me — that of Roberta Cowell. See, Cowell was a fighter pilot, a prisoner of war, and a racing driver, which alone would have been enough to build up an impressive resumé. However, she was also the first documented person to receive gender affirming surgery in the United Kingdom, making her the first known trans woman to compete in motorsport. Today, we're discussing her life and her experiences in an era where her mere existence was criminalized. To find out more about Deadly Passions, Terrible Joys:  https://linktr.ee/deadlypassionsterriblejoys  Subscribe on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/deadlypassionsterriblejoys Please give DPTJ's new sponsor, Homefield Apparel, a warm welcome by subscribing for updates and checking out all FOUR new motorsport-themed clothing launches this year. Don't forget to use code DPTJ15 for 15% off your first order! https://www.homefieldapparel.com/ Follow Elizabeth Blackstock on Instagram: @elizablackstock Follow Elizabeth Blackstock on Twitter/X: @eliz_blackstock Follow DPTJ on Instagram: @deadlypassionsterriblejoys Follow DPTJ on Twitter/X: @terriblejoy_pod Order Racing with Rich Energy: https://mcfarlandbooks.com/product/racing-with-rich-energy/  Follow Grand Prix Gastronomy: https://grandprixgastronomy.substack.com/  Grab some merch on Redbubble: https://www.redbubble.com/people/eablackstock/shop?asc=u  Episode Bibliography: Roberta Cowell's Story: An Autobiography by Roberta Cowell Roberta Cowell by Queer as Fact https://open.spotify.com/episode/0uz4EG1xkR1VFsrPXmmDAf?si=be4060a1bf7a4158 https://www.lizhodgkinson.com/journalismArticle/interview_with_transsexual_roberta_betty_cowell  https://blog.bham.ac.uk/historybham/lgbtqia-history-month-trans-pioneers-michael-dillon-roberta-cowell/  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/it-s-easier-to-change-a-body-than-to-change-a-mind-the-extraordinary-life-and-lonely-death-of-roberta-cowell-8899823.html  https://blog.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/2022/06/13/roberta-cowell-in-our-newspapers/ https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/05/obituaries/roberta-cowell-overlooked.html  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/elizabeth-blackstock/support

Peloteros PQ
T09 E06 | COWELL Y LA 'HORMIGA' ENCENDIDOS EN OFENSIVA | CHIQUETE LESIONADO

Peloteros PQ

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 23, 2024 90:00


#Chivas tiene un poderío en ofensiva con el buen momento de Cade Cowell y Armando 'Hormiga' González. Las malas noticias quedan en defensa con la lesión de Chiquete Orozco. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/peloteros-pq/support

Bleeding Daylight
Catherine Cowell - Loved, Called Gifted

Bleeding Daylight

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 21, 2024 30:40 Transcription Available


In this episode of Bleeding Daylight, Rodney Olsen welcomes Catherine Cowell, a life coach, spiritual director, and host of the Loved, Called, Gifted podcast, to share her incredible journey of faith and resilience. Catherine opens up about the profound challenges she faced, including a brain tumour diagnosis for her husband, infertility struggles, and the complexities of adopting and raising two young boys who had experienced significant trauma. Her story is a powerful testament to finding hope and meaning amidst life's darkest moments, highlighting her unwavering commitment to authenticity and creating spaces for real, vulnerable faith journeys.   Catherine recounts the tumultuous period that began in 2005, when a 24-7 prayer initiative at their home led to unexpected fallout and ultimately her husband's life-threatening health issues. She shares the harrowing experiences of navigating his brain tumour diagnosis, the painful loss of a pregnancy, and the eventual realisation of her own infertility. Despite these trials, Catherine's faith remained a constant source of strength, guiding her and her husband towards adopting two young brothers. Her candid reflections on the adoption process and the ongoing challenges they faced provide valuable insights into the importance of empathy, perseverance, and the enduring presence of God's grace in the midst of hardship. WEBLINKS Loved, Called, Gifted

Dirt NC
Interview with Janet Cowell of Dix Park Conservancy in Raleigh, NC

Dirt NC

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 18, 2024 75:29


Send us a Text Message.Summary: Janet and I talk all about what the Conservancy is and what they do!________________________________________________________Sponsor: This show is supported by the Top Five Newsletter. If you want a simple and to-the-point update on Raleigh commercial development you can subscribe to the Top Five. It's free if you want it to be!________________________________________________________Big Take Aways:- The difference between the structure of Dix Park and a typical City Park.- Janet's career journey and how it corresponds with the Dix Park timeline.- The current state of the park and upcoming milestones.________________________________________________________About Janet: Janet Cowell is CEO/President of Dix Park Conservancy and a corporate director. She was North Carolina State Treasurer from 2009-2016.Dix Park Conservancy is a non-profit that works in partnership with the City of Raleigh to create Dorothea Dix Park, a 308-acre site with a dramatic landscape and complex historical legacy one mile from downtown. The Conservancy has raised ~$40 million during her tenure and ~$70 million since inception.Cowell serves as Lead Independent Director for New Republic Partners, Chair of IFM's Global Infrastructure Fund Investor Advisory Committee, Chair of Wharton's Executive Education Board, and Chair of the NC Board of Science, Technology, and Innovation. She helped to found OnBoardNC, a non-profit organization promoting women on boards.Cowell held publicly elected office in North Carolina for fifteen years, including eight as State Treasurer. The first woman elected Treasurer, she managed over $100 billion in assets, and health and retirement benefits, for over 900,000 members.Cowell is a graduate of the University of Pennsylvania and earned her MBA and MA in International Studies from the Wharton School of Business and the Lauder Institute.Connect with Janet: Website | LinkedIn | Instagram | TwitterMentioned in the show:Dix Park WebcamStone HousesGet Involved at Dix ParkArt at Dix - AttunEmail Janet - Janet.Cowell@dixparkconservancy.orgEmail Nick - Nick.neptune@dixparkconservancy.org________________________________________________________Sponsor: This show is supported by the Top Five Newsletter. If you want a simple and to-the-point update on Raleigh commercial development you can subscribe to the Top Five. It's free if you want it to be!Show Notes: Welcome to Dirt NC where we talk all about the places and spaces of North Carolina and the people who make them awesome, I am your host Jed Byrne.Throughout my career in engineering, construction, finance, and development, I have covered just about all sides of the land use ecosystem. This show creates an opportunity for me to share what I have learned with

ASVAB Domination Podcast with Gamonal Tutors
ASVAB Domination Podcast 34 – Navigating the ASVAB and Military Careers with Sergeant Brian Cowell

ASVAB Domination Podcast with Gamonal Tutors

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 17, 2024


Navigating the ASVAB and Military Careers with Sergeant Brian Cowell In this episode of the ASVAB Domination Podcast, host Mickey Gamonal discusses strategies for ASVAB preparation and military career advice with guest Sergeant Brian Cowell. The conversation covers tips on how to interact with proctors at MEPS, the importance of nutrition on test day, and the differences between the Marine Corps and the National Guard. Sergeant Caldwell also shares his personal experiences with ASVAB testing, transitioning between military branches, and offers practical advice for those considering a military career. 00:00 Introduction and MEPS Tips 00:27 Welcome to the ASVAB Domination Podcast 01:41 Interview with Sergeant Brian Cowell 02:34 Comparing the Marine Corps and National Guard 06:33 ASVAB Experience and Preparation Tips 16:03 Advice for Military Aspirants 26:40 Final Thoughts and Farewell https://asvabdomination.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Episode34.wav ASVAB Domination: Asvabdomination.com Gamonal Tutors: gamonaltutors.com #ASVAB #MilitaryCareers #ASVABPrep #MEPSTips #ASVABTest #MarineCorps #NationalGuard #MilitaryTransition #MilitaryAdvice #ASVABDomination #Gamonaltutors #MilitaryEducation #TestDayTips #MilitaryLife #VeteranAdvice

Lael Rides Around the World
EP 51: Cowell to Port Pirie, Australia

Lael Rides Around the World

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 15, 2024 8:04


Day 50 of my Around the World Ride: I rode 168 miles (270 km) from Cowell to Port Pirie, Australia.

Lael Rides Around the World
EP 50: Sheringa to Cowell, Australia

Lael Rides Around the World

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 14, 2024 5:29


Day 49 of my Around the World Ride: I rode 175 miles (282 km) from Sheringa to Cowell, Australia.

PODCAST - SURF MASTERY
97 Guy Kawasaki - Tech Guru Discovers Surfing at 60

PODCAST - SURF MASTERY

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 25, 2024


Welcome to Surf Mastery Podcast, where we explore the fascinating intersections of life, sports, and the pursuit of challenges. In this episode, our host Michael John Frampton sits down with Guy Kawasaki to discuss the joys and trials of picking up surfing at 60, his unique philosophy on parenting and life, and the profound lessons learned along the way. Guy Kawasaki is a speaker, avid surfer, and respected author. His notable works include The Art of the Start, Enchantment: The Art of Changing Hearts, Minds, and Actions, and Wise Guy: Lessons from a Life. He is well-known for his influential role as Apple's Chief Evangelist in the 1980s and his significant contributions to Canva. Beyond his professional achievements, his passion for surfing, which he took up in his 60s is a profound metaphor for life's lessons. Episode Highlights:Surfing at Sixty: Guy shares his inspiring journey of starting to surf at the age of 60, motivated by his children's passions. Unlike many parents who impose their hobbies on their children, Guy believes in embracing what his children love, leading him to take up surfing and hockey later in life.Parenting Philosophy: Guy discusses his approach to parenting, emphasizing the importance of supporting and engaging in his children's interests rather than directing them.Life Lessons from Surfing: Surfing has not just been a sport for Guy but a source of life lessons. He talks about the complexities and unpredictability of surfing, drawing parallels between managing waves and life's challenges.Humorous Anecdotes: From confusing directions underwater to humorous interactions in the surf community, Guy brings a light-hearted perspective to the challenges of learning to surf.Persistence and Adaptability: Guy reflects on the broader implications of persistence in surfing, comparing it to career and personal life, where adaptability and resilience are crucial.Insights on Book Writing: Discussing his concise approach to writing, Guy emphasizes the importance of distilling vast amounts of information into accessible insights, mirroring his practical approach to life.Key Quotes:"Rather than me forcing them to take up what I love, I let them determine what I should take up based on what they love.""The first time I actually caught a wave and stood up, it was magic. Where else can you get this feeling?""You can sit out there in the water looking for that perfect wave all day and never turn and paddle. The same thing applies to life."Follow Guy Kawasaki:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/guykawasaki/Website: https://guykawasaki.com/Full Show Transcript:Michael Frampton: Welcome back to the Surf Mastery podcast. I am your host, Michael Frampton, and today's guest is Guy Kawasaki. You may have heard that name. He's very famous in Silicon Valley, especially for his early role and involvement with Apple. He's gone on to do a lot of projects since then. Too many to mention in this short intro, but one of his most recent projects is a very successful 200-plus episode podcast called 'Remarkable People', and he recently released a new book called 'Think Remarkable'. Based on those interviews, and the main reason that I wanted to get him on the show is because he started surfing at 60. Yes, six zero. Started surfing at 60. So yes, Guy has a very unique perspective on beginning surfing, and I was very excited when he accepted the invite to come on the show, and he did not disappoint. So without further ado, I will fade in my conversation with Guy Kawasaki. Hello, Guy, how are you?Guy Kawasaki: I'm good. I can hear you now. Yes.Michael Frampton: Excellent. And I've got you. Right. And it's recording. It looks like all the technical stuff is out of the way.Guy Kawasaki: Don't get overconfident. The day is young.Michael Frampton: It sure is. Well, and your lust for surfing. That's also quite young. Starting at 60. My gosh, that is. That's very late in life to start surfing. What inspired you to start?Guy Kawasaki: What inspired me was that my daughter in particular became an avid and competitive surfer. And I kind of have a different parenting perspective and philosophy. I think many parents, what they do is they inadvertently or advertently force their kids to take up what they're interested in. So if you're a golfer, your kid's golf, you're a surfer, your kid's surf. If you are a, I don't know, physicist, your kids take up physics or violin or whatever. Yeah, in my family it worked differently. So rather than forcing the kids to take up what I loved, they would force me to take up what I said that wrong rather than I take up what I could speak English. English is my first language rather than me forcing them to take up what I love. I let they determine what I should take up based on what they love. And so they loved surfing and they loved hockey. So I took up hockey at 44, and I took up surfing at 60 because that's what my kids are into.Michael Frampton: Oh, I love that, you're a good dad and that's an awesome philosophy and I actually have the same philosophy my kids got into football when they were quite young, and I just started playing with them, even though I never grew up playing it. I never liked the game, but now I actually love the game and have a strong appreciation for it.Guy Kawasaki: So when you say football, you mean American oblong football or European-like round waffle? Oh okay. Okay. Soccer.Michael Frampton: Yeah.Guy Kawasaki: Because if you took up American football at a late age, it's hard to get 20, 21 other guys out there with helmets killing each other so.Michael Frampton: Oh yeah. It's a rough sport. I mean, I grew up playing rugby, so I'm no stranger to that sort of world. But, it's not something you do when you're a or certainly not something you take up when you're older. It's a brutal sport.Guy Kawasaki: So I think.Michael Frampton: That thing can be pretty brutal, too. I mean, I'm sure you've had some gnarly wipeouts in your learning curve.Guy Kawasaki: Well, listen, my sweet spot is maybe 3 to 4 at the most. Okay? Like, I am perfectly happy at 1 to 2ft. My daughter surfs at Mavericks and stuff, but that's not me, but I will tell you that, there have been times where in, like, a one-foot wave, I fall down and I lose perspective and reference and I'm like paddling, trying to get back up to the surface and I hit my head on the bottom because I was going the wrong way. I've done some very kooky things, I assure you.Michael Frampton: So I'm interested to know, like, you're a smart guy. I'm sure when you decided to start surfing, what was your first entry point like? Did you get a lesson with someone? Did you just buy a board and jump in? How did you go about it?Guy Kawasaki: Listen, when you start surfing at 60, well, one would hope that in 60 years you've acquired some kind of street smartness. So you figure out that, you're just not going to go to Costco and buy $150 board and then go out to Mavericks and decide to surf and, you know, with your goggles and your GoPro and your helmet and your zinc on your face. So the first thing I did was I took lessons. I took lessons in Hawaii, I took lessons in India, I took lessons in Santa Cruz. I took lessons at Cowell's and at Jacks. I kind of figured out that, when you start that late, you've got to accelerate the pace. And the way to accelerate the pace is to get instruction. Not by hanging out with Groms all day, trying to surf during the summer.Michael Frampton: Yeah. So you sort many different opinions on instructions as well. That's a great strategy. Was there one particular lesson that stood out to you?Guy Kawasaki: Every lesson was difficult. I started paddle surfing. I don't know why I started paddle surfing, but anyway, so I started with paddle boards and then a surf instructor here in Santa Cruz was just who was coaching my daughter at the time. He definitely established the, should I say, pecking order in surfing, and let's just say that paddle boarding is beneath prone surfing. And so it was a constant humiliation. So at one point I just got tired of being humiliated. And I said, all right, so throw away the paddle, give me a narrow board, and off I go. He for months, was pushing me into waves, because I don't know, to this day, I think the hardest thing in surfing is knowing where to sit and when to turn. It's just like I barely understand it, and when I'm out there and I'm with experienced surfers and they turn and they catch a wave that I don't even see the wave. I'm like, what are they turning for? And then not only that, they turn and they catch a wave that I barely can see. And they only paddle twice and I'm paddling like freaking 50, 60 times trying to get up there, it's a different world.Michael Frampton: Oh, it sure is. And you nailed it. I mean, no matter what level of surfer you are, getting into the wave or choosing the right wave and getting into it in the right spot, that's always the hardest part. Because once you're standing up, once you're standing up on the right part of the wave, surfing is really simple and quite easy.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah, yeah. Well, it's a mystery to me. With surfing, there are so many variables, right? I mean, there's the wave. Well, even the wave, there's the height, there's the direction, there's the speed, Are you at the peak, are you on the shoulder. That's just the wave. And then you're going to think of the wind and you got to think of the other kooks in the water and then you got to worry about, we have a ten-inch fin and it's, it's negative one tide and all the kelp is sticking out. So that's not going to work. Well I mean there's so many variables. It's such a cerebral sport.Michael Frampton: Oh yeah. Now has and if so how has surfing made your life better?Guy Kawasaki: Oh absolutely. I mean, I surf every day. In fact, today I might surf twice. And here's like a Guy Kawasaki typical kind of story. So I have Méniere's disease. Méniere's disease has three symptoms, which is, sporadic attacks of vertigo, tinnitus, which is the ringing in your ear and hearing loss and so basically, my ears are all messed up, and it's not surfer ears or anything like that because I have only been surfing ten years, so it's not from surfing. This is a pre-existing condition. So if you said to somebody if you have middle ear issues and vertigo and deafness and tinnitus and all that kind of stuff, why don't you take up ice hockey and surfing? That's the perfect sports for you. The two sports that require balance the most I took up with the bad ears, huh?Michael Frampton: Wow. So you like when someone tells you you can't do something that you see as a challenge?Guy Kawasaki: I didn't listen. I mean, people have told me that I cannot do a lot of things, and quite frankly, they were right. So it's not a matter of proving them wrong. I will just say that, like the first time I played ice hockey, and the first time I actually caught a wave and stood up, it was magic. It was like Holy shit, this is like, where else can you get this feeling? It's like magical to be standing on a wave and somehow, like, you don't have to do anything like nature is pushing you forward. In my case 12 to 15 miles an hour. I mean and you don't need a hill to do that, like skateboarding when you fall on the pavement, it's a lot different than falling in the water. So, surfing is just magic. It's the most fun I think you can have legally.Michael Frampton: I agree, and so do all of our listeners. But it's also one of the it's also one of the most challenging things that you can. I mean have you is that's a good question. Is surfing the most challenging thing you've that you do?Guy Kawasaki: It is by far the most challenging thing I have ever tried to learn to do by far because there are so many variables. There's so many external variables and then there's your internal, there's like your body weight and your body type and your hip flexibility and, it's a very complex cerebral sport and I don't think people who don't surf, they don't appreciate how difficult it is because like basketball, you run and you jump in the normal course of life, right? I mean, ice hockey is like that, too. You don't skate naturally. I mean, that's something you have to learn the fundamentals. You have to learn. So I think part of the attraction for me, for surfing is that it is so hard. If I became immediately good at it, the thrill would be gone but it's taken ten years. I like my dream. Everybody has to have a dream. Right. So my dream is to be able to take four steps and hang ten on the nose. Okay? In ten years, I'm now able to sometimes take two steps. So it's taking me five years per step. So I need another ten years to get the total of four steps. I hope I make it.Michael Frampton: Yeah. Well, Jerry Lopez says that the first 20 years of surfing is just to test if you're really interested.Guy Kawasaki: I interviewed Jerry Lopez for my podcast, I know. I listened.Michael Frampton: Yeah. Great. You did a great job.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah, it's a funny story. You'll appreciate this surfing story. So this weekend we went to a surf meet in Huntington Beach. And on the sidewalk at Huntington Beach, there's, like, the Hollywood Walk of Fame. It's only the surfing Walk of Fame. And there's these, I think, brass plaques for these famous surfers. Right. So I saw Sean Tompson's, I saw Layne Beachley, and I saw Jerry Lopez, and I happen to know all three people because of my podcast. I sent them all messages and they all responded, yeah. Sean Tompson's response was, oh, they spelled my name right.Michael Frampton: Oh, cool. I interviewed Sean a while ago for the podcast and actually see quite a couple of similarities between the book he wrote in the book you wrote is in. You chose not to make it a three-page behemoth full of fluff. And it's such a good book. It's so succinct. And it's the kind of book I'd rather spend 12 hours reading a good book three times, then 12 hours reading a long book once.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah, I hear you and one of the things I think about many nonfiction books is they take 200 to 300 pages to explain one idea. Right? So like you should you should make a prototype very quick with the minimum features and get it out there and then if it doesn't succeed, bring it back and change it fast. Well, I just explained a 300-page book about minimum viable product and pivoting. Right? I mean, what else do you need to know about that concept besides what I just explained in 10s?Michael Frampton: No, I really enjoyed your book. It's definitely one I'm going to go back and reread because it's so succinct.Guy Kawasaki: I want you to know that I am a much better writer than a surfer, just FYI.Michael Frampton: Has surfing taught you anything about other aspects of your life?Guy Kawasaki: Ah, listen, I could. I can interpret almost all of life with using a surfing metaphor. Right? So, one obvious one is you can sit out there in the water looking for that perfect wave all day and never turn and paddle and if you do that, I guarantee you will not catch any waves. Same thing applies to life, right? You can be waiting for that perfect company, that perfect product, that perfect service, that perfect co-founder, that perfect VC and you could, you know, try to make this perfect thing and then that means you will never do anything. Same thing as surfing. Another analogy I would say is that, yes, you try to pick the perfect wave and you turn it the perfect time at the perfect angle and all the perfect stuff. But I think one of the things I learned about surfing is that at some point you turn and burn and then you just need to make that decision, right? Even if it's wrong. Right? You just gotta compensate. You would like to be in the barrel on the face of the wave, but guess what? You're an idiot. You're in the white water, so make the best of it right. And that's another metaphor for life, is that, you got to make decisions, right?Michael Frampton: Yeah, you just kind of describe that in the book by saying, just plant many, many seeds because you're not you don't know which one will eventually eventuate and you catch lots of waves. that's the thing a lot. I've said before on this podcast is that when you watch, a surfing movie, you've got to realize that might only be ten minutes worth of surfing that you're watching but it took a surfer a year worth five hours a day of surfing to get those ten minutes worth of surfing.Guy Kawasaki: Yea. You can apply that to almost everything in YouTube, right? So on the YouTube when they show this is a guy hitting half court shots, they shot him for five hours to get him making a half court shot twice. Right. He just goes out and does everyone like that? Yeah.Michael Frampton: Yeah.Michael Frampton: And surfing is a lot about sort of being in the right place at the right time and when you look at your career, I wonder how much of that's true. in your career?Guy Kawasaki: Oh, my career is more about being in the right place at the right time than it is about being in the right place because of my decision. Okay? I guarantee you that, I call this guys Golden touch, which is not whatever I touch turns to gold guys. Golden touch is whatever is gold guy touches.Michael Frampton: I like that.Guy Kawasaki: So, this is the equivalent of that in a surfing metaphor is sometimes and it's happened to me. Sometimes you just expect to get clobbered, right? And so you turn your back to the wave and you lean back because you're about to get clobbered. And somehow the wave catches you and you get a ride without even trying to get the ride. Yeah, I'm telling you, a lot of people join companies that they had no freaking idea what it was going to do, and they turned out to be millionaires. Like, I don't know, what's this company Google do? I don't know, they needed a facilities manager and I didn't have a job, so I went to work for Google. I was the first Google facilities manager and now come to find out, my stock is worth $50 million. Yeah. I'm so smart now. There have been waves I guarantee you, Michael. There have been waves that I caught that I didn't intend to catch.Michael Frampton: Oh yeah. Oh yeah.Michael Frampton: That happens all the time. And then you sort of, you turn up to the beach and without even knowing it's going to be good and it happens to be good. There's, there's luck involved in everything.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah.Michael Frampton: How do you define luck?Guy Kawasaki: I think luck is, getting back to seeds. Luck is planting a lot of seeds, right? I mean, you don't get lucky by staying on the sand. You get lucky by being in the water. You got to plant a lot of seeds and then, even if you're lucky, you have to take advantage of that luck. So you can't be a dumbass. You can't be a lazy schmuck and luck comes upon you and everything just is automatic. Even being lucky, you need to work hard. You need to be prepared. You need to be ready. If your board is not waxed and you're not sitting in the water. Yeah, you could be the most lucky guy in the world. You're still not going to catch the waveMichael Frampton: Yeah. And you have to be sort of looking for those opportunities as well, don't you?Michael Frampton: Yeah, I remember reading a book about luck and they did a test where they left a $20 bill sort of in the corner next to a sidewalk. And 95% of people just walk straight past. But then the person that noticed it considered themselves lucky, but really they were sort of open to or just being observant and looking for those opportunities.Guy Kawasaki: So you're saying those people saw it and didn't pick it up or they didn't see it at all?Michael Frampton: They didn't notice it? Yeah.Guy Kawasaki: Wow.Michael Frampton: That wasn't directly in the middle of the sidewalk. Obviously, everyone would see it. But, the corner of it's just sticking out and if you consider yourself a lucky person, then your peripheral vision is actually more likely to pick up on little things like that.Guy Kawasaki: I hate to tell you, but this is, it's a related story, not necessarily the same story, but I'll tell you something to this day. If I were walking down the street and I saw a penny on the ground, I would pick up the penny, I really would. I think that a penny doesn't make a lot of difference to anybody, but. Okay. But it's just the principle that you should never leave money.Michael Frampton: Yeah. No, I like that. That's a good metaphor, too. Like, if you're surfing in a crowd and a wave comes your way and it's. You probably should just take it rather than wait for the next one.Guy Kawasaki: Well, I have to say that, being deaf, I have a cochlear implant that's like, we can do this interview, but you can't wear a cochlear implant in the water. So being deaf in the water, there are some advantages to that. So like number one, Jerry Lopez says you should never be talking in the lineup. You should always be focused on surfing. Well, I hardly talk in the lineup because I cannot hear. So there's no sense talking, so that helps. And then let's just say that like every other kook in Santa Cruz, I drop in on people, okay? And then when they yell at me, I cannot hear. It doesn't bother me at all. They can yell all they want. I don't even hear.Michael Frampton: Interesting. I wonder, do you think that there could be an advantage? Because then, you know it is an advantage.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah. Because like, if I heard the person yelling at me and telling me to go f myself, then it would get in my head and I'd be pissed off and there'd be an argument. And who knows where that would lead? But now I just like, I'm deaf. I literally people have been like, jabbering at me and I said I'm deaf. I don't know what you're saying. I just paddle away. So if anybody's listening to this from Santa Cruz and you yell at me and I ignore you, that's what's happening.Michael Frampton: Do you sometimes purposely take it out, when you're doing other things to increase your focus?Guy Kawasaki: Oh, my implant?Michael Frampton: Yeah.Guy Kawasaki: No, i am blessed with a form of OCD that when I get focused on something, whether it's writing or editing or, anything like that. I can be anywhere. I can be in the middle seat of Southwest Airlines in row 35, and I can concentrate. It's not a matter of what I hear, so I never have to do that. Ijust lose touch with reality. It's the same thing when I speak, I have gone on stage with a migraine headache. I've gone on stage feeling sick but it just takes over me. And I'm just, like, in a zone. Deshaun Thompson zone.Michael Frampton: Have you always been like that or is that something that you've had to work on and foster?Guy Kawasaki: I can't remember. I think it just comes with repetition. I don't think I was born like that. I don't think anybody is born like that, but I certainly have it now.Michael Frampton: Is there a bigger picture behind that though? Like, is there a driving force that sort of allows you, to keep trudging forward?Guy Kawasaki: Well, for a while, I have four kids, so for the longest time my motivation was four tuitions. Now, as of next week, only one tuition will be in play, so that has reduced the pressure. But I guess I am just driven. I have a high need for achievement. Like this podcast, I do 52 episodes a year with no revenue,Guy Kawasaki: On paper you'd have to say, Guy, why do you do that? Why do you kill yourself doing a podcast? And I'm just driven. It's just driven by achievement. And in a sense, the same thing applies for surfing. For me, I do a lot of dry land training and stuff because I'm 60. I got to catch up, right? So I can't just get out there and automatically assume everything's going to work. So, the secret to my success in life, surfing, or to the extent that I am successful in surfing, the secret to my life is grit. I am willing to outwork anybody.Michael Frampton: There's also if you're doing dry land training, then there's a lot of podcasts as well. There's a lot of preparation that goes into that.Guy Kawasaki: Yep. Nobody can out-prep me.Michael Frampton: Oh, okay.Michael Frampton: I'm interested to know what does your dryland training for surfing look like?Guy Kawasaki: Oh, okay. I could do even more, but, I practiced pop-ups. I'm trying to constantly increase flexibility. I do more than anybody I know, but I know I could do so much more. It's just that in the last year or so, this book has just taken over my life, too. But, I'm telling you, I am going to hang ten. I'm going to hang ten and then I'm going to drop dead right after that and everything will be fine.Michael Frampton: Oh, funny.Guy Kawasaki: They're just going to get, I've seen them take dead bodies off the beach at Jax and the fire department comes and they put you in a little one of those. Is it a sleigh? What do they call it? One of those baskets. They bring the dead body up from the cliff in a basket, that's all. They're going to take me out of Jax, okay?Michael Frampton: You're die-happy then?Michael Frampton: Death on the nose. Yeah.Guy Kawasaki: He was so shocked. He hung ten. He had a stroke and died.Michael Frampton: Yeah, well.Michael Frampton: You get the right wave, get the right board. You'll get there for sure. It's a good goal.Guy Kawasaki: I have to tell you, though, it's much more likely that I, apparently hit my head on the ground and drowned then I hang ten on my last ride.Michael Frampton: Oh, I've got a feeling that you'll get there.Guy Kawasaki: Well, yeah, I hope so.Michael Frampton: So out of all you've done so many podcast episodes, like over 200, is there any is there any commonalities between all of these guests?Michael Frampton: Oh yeah.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, in a sense, the commonality with 250 episodes reduced to. Yeah, that's 5000 pages of transcripts, so that 5000 pages of transcripts has come down to 170 pages in a book. There's a lot of commonality and the lessons of the book reflect the commonality and at the highest level, the commonality is that to be remarkable, you need to have a growth mindset. You need to be willing to pay the price and be greedy and finally, you need to be gracious to be remarkable and that just happens over and over again with those 250 guests.Michael Frampton: How do you how do you define grit?Guy Kawasaki: Grit is the ability to do something when you are not necessarily getting positive results and nor do you necessarily enjoy it, but you just are willing to pay the price.Michael Frampton: So, is there an element of faith or hope that goes with that? or delusion?Michael Frampton: In my case, it's a delusion with surfing.Guy Kawasaki: But you know what? One thing I figured out is it doesn't matter why you're gritty. It's just that you're gritty. You could be stubborn. You could be OCD, you could be delusional. You could be whatever. But as long as you just keep putting it out, that's all that matters.Michael Frampton: Okay, and then grace, how do you define grace?Guy Kawasaki: Grace is when you come to this realization that you are successful in life, and you are fortunate because there are teachers and coaches and mentors and bosses. There are people who opened the door for you and because somebody opened the door for you, you should open the door for somebody else. So it's a sense of moral obligation to the world to pay back society.Michael Frampton: Okay, how would you define grace in the surfing world?Guy Kawasaki: I could. Okay, I yeah. I could tell you some really great stories here. So at 38, there are some surfers who are really quite good. I would love to be as good as them. And they are so good that they can catch a wave and they can surf the whole face. They can catch it in front of Jack's house, and they could go all the way to like Purves or to like practically the hook, right? They can take the face the whole way, and some of them do and you know what? When you're at Jack's and there's a lot of beginners and novices, there are lots of people who are going to catch the wave and get in your way on the face and that's just the way it is at Jax. Jax is for kooks and beginners, right and so these really good surfers, they can take the whole face and they get really pissed off with people and they yell at people and they scream and they push people off and all that, and I just don't understand that and believe me, I've been one of those people who've been pushed and yelled at and what I don't understand is like, okay, if you are so freaking good, go to first or second or go to the hook, but you're just trying to be a big dog in this little shit pond.Guy Kawasaki: So like, what is your problem? and like, everybody's out there, they're just trying to have a good time, learn how to surf, catch a few waves. So like what? Why are you being such an asshole? Then it's like, Guess what? There's nobody from the WSL sitting up on the East cliff looking for people for the WSL. So I hate to tell you, I can drop in on your face and I'm not going to affect your professional surfing career, so just shut up and go to second or first. That's my attitude. They completely lack grace and I have a theory that the better you are, the more gracious you are. It's the middle ground, right? So when you're really a beginner and lousy, you don't know what the hell you're doing. When you get kind of good, that's when you figure, I'm the big dog. I can get the face, I can hang ten, I can do cutbacks and all that. But then when you get really, really good, you say, I want to help other people enjoy surfing. And I'm going to help them and coach them and encourage them. You don't yell at them. The really good surfers don't yell at you.Michael Frampton: Yeah, I love that definition and I totally agree. Yep. Joel Tudor is famous for saying that the ultimate goal is Skip Frye.Guy Kawasaki: Skip Frye was like that?Michael Frampton: He still is.Michael Frampton: He's still out there surfing every day. He's in his 80s and he just glides gracefully along on his.Guy Kawasaki: But does he yell at somebody if a kook dropped in on him? No.Michael Frampton: No, of course not.Michael Frampton: He's been surfing so long that you just wouldn't. I think sometimes surfers also, I think a graceful surfer has the sort of demeanor about them that just you would feel bad dropping in on them because they're so graceful and they're not taking every wave. Does that sort of make? Yeah.Michael Frampton: But if you're out there trying to take every wave and yelling at people, you're actually more likely to get dropped in on again and again and again. So thank you. Thank you CCTV.Guy Kawasaki: Oh, God.Michael Frampton: I think part of this is a lot of those people, they surfed, 20, 30 years ago when there just was one-tenth of the amount of people in the water, and they kind of expect it to be like that still, even though you're right, you're right. They can go for it. They can drive half an hour and go somewhere else where it's more difficult and where there are less people.Guy Kawasaki: Half an hour, they could paddle 500 yards to the right and they could be someplace else like that, but I think a lot of those people, they realize that, at Jax, they stand out, but if they went to first or second, they would be at the bottom of the pile again. Right? And they would be yelled at not doing the yelling and they cannot adjust to that.Michael Frampton: So yeah, that doesn't feed their ego.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah. The second peak is my Mavericks.Michael Frampton: That's. yup, Okay.Michael Frampton: So that's Grace, and well, I quite like how you've defined compassion as a combination of empathy and grit. I really liked that definition. Can you speak a bit more on that?Guy Kawasaki: Well, the empathy part is easy, right? I mean, when you think of compassionate people, they can empathize. They can feel what you're feeling. They can understand, they can relate right, but the difference between empathy and compassion, I think, is that you want to go from empathy to compassion, which is the higher level. It means that you not only feel for the other person, you're actually do something. So a compassionate person does something and an empathetic person just feels something and that's the difference.Michael Frampton: Yeah. That's. So it comes back to doing again.Guy Kawasaki: Yep.Michael Frampton: Yeah.Guy Kawasaki: That's a recurrent theme in my books.Michael Frampton: Yeah. And I also really liked your Ikigai. You sort of, I like how you reframed that.Michael Frampton: Sort of do what you love, right?Michael Frampton: And then be willing to improve to go push through the shit sandwich to improve, but also to not expect to get paid for it.Guy Kawasaki: Well, see, I think that, now listen. I am Japanese American, but I don't want to give you the impression that I spent 20 years studying with Buddhist monks, and I truly understand Japanese and all that because I'm just as American as Donald Trump Jr. But I'll tell you something that lots of people define Ikigai as you draw three circles, which is what you love to do, what you're good at doing, and what you can get paid at, and in the middle of those three is what your ikigai should be, because you can get paid, you like it, and you're good at it. I disagree with that definition. My definition is that Ikigai means that you are not good at it. You cannot get paid at it, and you may hate it because you're not good and not getting paid at it, but you still do it, and that for me is surfing, right? I'm not good at it. I love doing it. Sometimes I hate it and I'm never going to get paid for it. So if you're under those conditions, if you still surf every day, you could probably bet that it's your Ikigai or something you truly, truly love, because it's not because it's the money. It's not because it's easy. It's only because you love it.Michael Frampton: Yeah I really like that it's a good twist on, because I was very aware of Ikigai. I think everyone is nowadays. It's become quite part of pop culture, but it was a really good reframing. I really liked that. Allan Langer.Guy Kawasaki: The psychologist.Michael Frampton: Yes. How did she change your perspective on things?Guy Kawasaki: Okay, so Ellen Langer. She made a brilliant observation to me that we spend so much time trying to make the right decision, but what we should do is make our decisions right, and going back to that surfing analogy. So, yeah, spend your whole life or the whole session in the water trying to make the right decision, but what you should really do is turn and burn and make that decision right, which means that you can compensate by turning the board or paddling harder or softer or, popping up, fading and then going right, or who knows, right? But Ellen Langer is all about, yes, take your best shot but then make your decision, right, and I think that is a very good prescription for how to lead a remarkable life. You've got to make your decisions right.Michael Frampton: Do you mean by that, as in, once you've made a decision to accept it and sort of trust that, it is right?Guy Kawasaki: Well, I don't know about trust, but, I think the reality is that you never can make the exact perfect decision because the future is unknowable and there's so many variables. So I'm not saying that if you got married to somebody and that person is physically abusive? I'm not saying stick in the marriage and make the decision right? Okay. There are some things. There are limits to these things right, but to think that the grass is always greener and to think that, perfection lies in the next wave, not this one. I think that's suboptimal. At some point, you just got to make it right.Michael Frampton: Yeah, so it's kind of about being present really.Guy Kawasaki: Yes. Yes.Michael Frampton: Yeah, interesting. Is meditation part of your life?Guy Kawasaki: No, no. Like, Marc Benioff in his interview talked about meditation and all that. I don't have time for meditation, right? I'm a doer. I'm not a meditator. What can I say? Hmm. Maybe I should meditate more. Maybe I could hang ten.Michael Frampton: I would argue that you said yourself, earlier that even in the middle seat, in cattle class on an airplane, you have the ability to focus on something.Michael Frampton: Yes, Most people meditate in order to get more of that, I think.Guy Kawasaki: Well, then I was born with it.Michael Frampton: Yeah. You're lucky. I see the statue in the background and is Buddhism part of your life?Guy Kawasaki: No, it's just I am in a closet that I've made into a sound studio, and I wanted to have an interesting background. So, I have tried dozens of things I like. I have this lamp, I have this fake flower. I have fake flowers. I have the lamp, I have bamboo, I have vases, I've tried all kinds of stuff. Yeah, I'm constantly experimenting to get, like, you have that surfboard back there, but I don't have space for a surfboard.Michael Frampton: So you're a little bit of an interior designer.Guy Kawasaki: You know what? I don't want to tell you how many hours I have spent trying to make a good background, putting all this soundproof foam, getting this stuff here, like, it would probably be measured in days, in days.Michael Frampton: Oh, no. It's a good thing. I think it looks good and, your voice is coming across with no echo. So, well done.Guy Kawasaki: Well, I once spent a few weeks trying to make sure that the video and audio were perfectly synced because I was getting a case where the audio was about two frames behind the video, and the way you test that is you do something like you clap and you see when your hands hit, and then you look and you see if there's a spike of the clap matching that exact moment right, and it wasn't. It was two frames off, and that just freaking drove me crazy, and then finally I found something that you can add frames of delay for the video or, I don't know, vice versa, whatever it was. Yeah, I'm a little nuts that way.Michael Frampton: Oh, you got to get that sort of stuff right though I think it does matter. Is that sort of a bit of a perfectionism that you speak about there?Guy Kawasaki: A bit. I'd say there's a freaking wheelbarrow full.Michael Frampton: If there was one message that you hoped someone got out of your most recent book. What is that?Guy Kawasaki: I hope people realize that it's not about deciding you want to be remarkable. The way it works is you make a difference. You make the world a better place. And if you make the world a better place, then people will believe you are remarkable. So it's not a which came first. It's just an order. You make the world a better place. People will think you're remarkable. So the focus not on being remarkable as much as making a difference.Michael Frampton: I love that. Guy. Thank you so much. Congratulations on.Guy Kawasaki: I might go surfing a second session.Michael Frampton: Awesome.Guy Kawasaki: Thank you.Michael Frampton: I'll have links to all of, everything of Guy in the show notes. Uh, thanks for tuning in, everyone.Guy Kawasaki: All right. Thank you very much for having me. All the best to you.Michael Frampton: All right. Thank you. Guy. Awesome. Really appreciate your time. Thank you. Bye bye. Guy Kawasaki on the Surf Mastery Podcast

PODCAST - SURF MASTERY
97 Guy Kawasaki - Tech Guru Discovers Surfing at 60

PODCAST - SURF MASTERY

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 19, 2024


Welcome to Surf Mastery Podcast, where we explore the fascinating intersections of life, sports, and the pursuit of challenges. In this episode, our host Michael John Frampton sits down with Guy Kawasaki to discuss the joys and trials of picking up surfing at 60, his unique philosophy on parenting and life, and the profound lessons learned along the way. Guy Kawasaki is a speaker, avid surfer, and respected author. His notable works include The Art of the Start, Enchantment: The Art of Changing Hearts, Minds, and Actions, and Wise Guy: Lessons from a Life. He is well-known for his influential role as Apple's Chief Evangelist in the 1980s and his significant contributions to Canva. Beyond his professional achievements, his passion for surfing, which he took up in his 60s is a profound metaphor for life's lessons.Episode Highlights:Surfing at Sixty: Guy shares his inspiring journey of starting to surf at the age of 60, motivated by his children's passions. Unlike many parents who impose their hobbies on their children, Guy believes in embracing what his children love, leading him to take up surfing and hockey later in life.Parenting Philosophy: Guy discusses his approach to parenting, emphasizing the importance of supporting and engaging in his children's interests rather than directing them.Life Lessons from Surfing: Surfing has not just been a sport for Guy but a source of life lessons. He talks about the complexities and unpredictability of surfing, drawing parallels between managing waves and life's challenges.Humorous Anecdotes: From confusing directions underwater to humorous interactions in the surf community, Guy brings a light-hearted perspective to the challenges of learning to surf.Persistence and Adaptability: Guy reflects on the broader implications of persistence in surfing, comparing it to career and personal life, where adaptability and resilience are crucial.Insights on Book Writing: Discussing his concise approach to writing, Guy emphasizes the importance of distilling vast amounts of information into accessible insights, mirroring his practical approach to life.Key Quotes:"Rather than me forcing them to take up what I love, I let them determine what I should take up based on what they love.""The first time I actually caught a wave and stood up, it was magic. Where else can you get this feeling?""You can sit out there in the water looking for that perfect wave all day and never turn and paddle. The same thing applies to life."Follow Guy Kawasaki:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/guykawasaki/Website: https://guykawasaki.com/Full Show Transcript:Michael Frampton: Welcome back to the Surf Mastery podcast. I am your host, Michael Frampton, and today's guest is Guy Kawasaki. You may have heard that name. He's very famous in Silicon Valley, especially for his early role and involvement with Apple. He's gone on to do a lot of projects since then. Too many to mention in this short intro, but one of his most recent projects is a very successful 200-plus episode podcast called 'Remarkable People', and he recently released a new book called 'Think Remarkable'. Based on those interviews, and the main reason that I wanted to get him on the show is because he started surfing at 60. Yes, six zero. Started surfing at 60. So yes, Guy has a very unique perspective on beginning surfing, and I was very excited when he accepted the invite to come on the show, and he did not disappoint. So without further ado, I will fade in my conversation with Guy Kawasaki. Hello, Guy, how are you?Guy Kawasaki: I'm good. I can hear you now. Yes.Michael Frampton: Excellent. And I've got you. Right. And it's recording. It looks like all the technical stuff is out of the way.Guy Kawasaki: Don't get overconfident. The day is young.Michael Frampton: It sure is. Well, and your lust for surfing. That's also quite young. Starting at 60. My gosh, that is. That's very late in life to start surfing. What inspired you to start?Guy Kawasaki: What inspired me was that my daughter in particular became an avid and competitive surfer. And I kind of have a different parenting perspective and philosophy. I think many parents, what they do is they inadvertently or advertently force their kids to take up what they're interested in. So if you're a golfer, your kid's golf, you're a surfer, your kid's surf. If you are a, I don't know, physicist, your kids take up physics or violin or whatever. Yeah, in my family it worked differently. So rather than forcing the kids to take up what I loved, they would force me to take up what I said that wrong rather than I take up what I could speak English. English is my first language rather than me forcing them to take up what I love. I let they determine what I should take up based on what they love. And so they loved surfing and they loved hockey. So I took up hockey at 44, and I took up surfing at 60 because that's what my kids are into.Michael Frampton: Oh, I love that, you're a good dad and that's an awesome philosophy and I actually have the same philosophy my kids got into football when they were quite young, and I just started playing with them, even though I never grew up playing it. I never liked the game, but now I actually love the game and have a strong appreciation for it.Guy Kawasaki: So when you say football, you mean American oblong football or European-like round waffle? Oh okay. Okay. Soccer.Michael Frampton: Yeah.Guy Kawasaki: Because if you took up American football at a late age, it's hard to get 20, 21 other guys out there with helmets killing each other so.Michael Frampton: Oh yeah. It's a rough sport. I mean, I grew up playing rugby, so I'm no stranger to that sort of world. But, it's not something you do when you're a or certainly not something you take up when you're older. It's a brutal sport.Guy Kawasaki: So I think.Michael Frampton: That thing can be pretty brutal, too. I mean, I'm sure you've had some gnarly wipeouts in your learning curve.Guy Kawasaki: Well, listen, my sweet spot is maybe 3 to 4 at the most. Okay? Like, I am perfectly happy at 1 to 2ft. My daughter surfs at Mavericks and stuff, but that's not me, but I will tell you that, there have been times where in, like, a one-foot wave, I fall down and I lose perspective and reference and I'm like paddling, trying to get back up to the surface and I hit my head on the bottom because I was going the wrong way. I've done some very kooky things, I assure you.Michael Frampton: So I'm interested to know, like, you're a smart guy. I'm sure when you decided to start surfing, what was your first entry point like? Did you get a lesson with someone? Did you just buy a board and jump in? How did you go about it?Guy Kawasaki: Listen, when you start surfing at 60, well, one would hope that in 60 years you've acquired some kind of street smartness. So you figure out that, you're just not going to go to Costco and buy $150 board and then go out to Mavericks and decide to surf and, you know, with your goggles and your GoPro and your helmet and your zinc on your face. So the first thing I did was I took lessons. I took lessons in Hawaii, I took lessons in India, I took lessons in Santa Cruz. I took lessons at Cowell's and at Jacks. I kind of figured out that, when you start that late, you've got to accelerate the pace. And the way to accelerate the pace is to get instruction. Not by hanging out with Groms all day, trying to surf during the summer.Michael Frampton: Yeah. So you sort many different opinions on instructions as well. That's a great strategy. Was there one particular lesson that stood out to you?Guy Kawasaki: Every lesson was difficult. I started paddle surfing. I don't know why I started paddle surfing, but anyway, so I started with paddle boards and then a surf instructor here in Santa Cruz was just who was coaching my daughter at the time. He definitely established the, should I say, pecking order in surfing, and let's just say that paddle boarding is beneath prone surfing. And so it was a constant humiliation. So at one point I just got tired of being humiliated. And I said, all right, so throw away the paddle, give me a narrow board, and off I go. He for months, was pushing me into waves, because I don't know, to this day, I think the hardest thing in surfing is knowing where to sit and when to turn. It's just like I barely understand it, and when I'm out there and I'm with experienced surfers and they turn and they catch a wave that I don't even see the wave. I'm like, what are they turning for? And then not only that, they turn and they catch a wave that I barely can see. And they only paddle twice and I'm paddling like freaking 50, 60 times trying to get up there, it's a different world.Michael Frampton: Oh, it sure is. And you nailed it. I mean, no matter what level of surfer you are, getting into the wave or choosing the right wave and getting into it in the right spot, that's always the hardest part. Because once you're standing up, once you're standing up on the right part of the wave, surfing is really simple and quite easy.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah, yeah. Well, it's a mystery to me. With surfing, there are so many variables, right? I mean, there's the wave. Well, even the wave, there's the height, there's the direction, there's the speed, Are you at the peak, are you on the shoulder. That's just the wave. And then you're going to think of the wind and you got to think of the other kooks in the water and then you got to worry about, we have a ten-inch fin and it's, it's negative one tide and all the kelp is sticking out. So that's not going to work. Well I mean there's so many variables. It's such a cerebral sport.Michael Frampton: Oh yeah. Now has and if so how has surfing made your life better?Guy Kawasaki: Oh absolutely. I mean, I surf every day. In fact, today I might surf twice. And here's like a Guy Kawasaki typical kind of story. So I have Méniere's disease. Méniere's disease has three symptoms, which is, sporadic attacks of vertigo, tinnitus, which is the ringing in your ear and hearing loss and so basically, my ears are all messed up, and it's not surfer ears or anything like that because I have only been surfing ten years, so it's not from surfing. This is a pre-existing condition. So if you said to somebody if you have middle ear issues and vertigo and deafness and tinnitus and all that kind of stuff, why don't you take up ice hockey and surfing? That's the perfect sports for you. The two sports that require balance the most I took up with the bad ears, huh?Michael Frampton: Wow. So you like when someone tells you you can't do something that you see as a challenge?Guy Kawasaki: I didn't listen. I mean, people have told me that I cannot do a lot of things, and quite frankly, they were right. So it's not a matter of proving them wrong. I will just say that, like the first time I played ice hockey, and the first time I actually caught a wave and stood up, it was magic. It was like Holy shit, this is like, where else can you get this feeling? It's like magical to be standing on a wave and somehow, like, you don't have to do anything like nature is pushing you forward. In my case 12 to 15 miles an hour. I mean and you don't need a hill to do that, like skateboarding when you fall on the pavement, it's a lot different than falling in the water. So, surfing is just magic. It's the most fun I think you can have legally.Michael Frampton: I agree, and so do all of our listeners. But it's also one of the it's also one of the most challenging things that you can. I mean have you is that's a good question. Is surfing the most challenging thing you've that you do?Guy Kawasaki: It is by far the most challenging thing I have ever tried to learn to do by far because there are so many variables. There's so many external variables and then there's your internal, there's like your body weight and your body type and your hip flexibility and, it's a very complex cerebral sport and I don't think people who don't surf, they don't appreciate how difficult it is because like basketball, you run and you jump in the normal course of life, right? I mean, ice hockey is like that, too. You don't skate naturally. I mean, that's something you have to learn the fundamentals. You have to learn. So I think part of the attraction for me, for surfing is that it is so hard. If I became immediately good at it, the thrill would be gone but it's taken ten years. I like my dream. Everybody has to have a dream. Right. So my dream is to be able to take four steps and hang ten on the nose. Okay? In ten years, I'm now able to sometimes take two steps. So it's taking me five years per step. So I need another ten years to get the total of four steps. I hope I make it.Michael Frampton: Yeah. Well, Jerry Lopez says that the first 20 years of surfing is just to test if you're really interested.Guy Kawasaki: I interviewed Jerry Lopez for my podcast, I know. I listened.Michael Frampton: Yeah. Great. You did a great job.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah, it's a funny story. You'll appreciate this surfing story. So this weekend we went to a surf meet in Huntington Beach. And on the sidewalk at Huntington Beach, there's, like, the Hollywood Walk of Fame. It's only the surfing Walk of Fame. And there's these, I think, brass plaques for these famous surfers. Right. So I saw Sean Tompson's, I saw Layne Beachley, and I saw Jerry Lopez, and I happen to know all three people because of my podcast. I sent them all messages and they all responded, yeah. Sean Tompson's response was, oh, they spelled my name right.Michael Frampton: Oh, cool. I interviewed Sean a while ago for the podcast and actually see quite a couple of similarities between the book he wrote in the book you wrote is in. You chose not to make it a three-page behemoth full of fluff. And it's such a good book. It's so succinct. And it's the kind of book I'd rather spend 12 hours reading a good book three times, then 12 hours reading a long book once.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah, I hear you and one of the things I think about many nonfiction books is they take 200 to 300 pages to explain one idea. Right? So like you should you should make a prototype very quick with the minimum features and get it out there and then if it doesn't succeed, bring it back and change it fast. Well, I just explained a 300-page book about minimum viable product and pivoting. Right? I mean, what else do you need to know about that concept besides what I just explained in 10s?Michael Frampton: No, I really enjoyed your book. It's definitely one I'm going to go back and reread because it's so succinct.Guy Kawasaki: I want you to know that I am a much better writer than a surfer, just FYI.Michael Frampton: Has surfing taught you anything about other aspects of your life?Guy Kawasaki: Ah, listen, I could. I can interpret almost all of life with using a surfing metaphor. Right? So, one obvious one is you can sit out there in the water looking for that perfect wave all day and never turn and paddle and if you do that, I guarantee you will not catch any waves. Same thing applies to life, right? You can be waiting for that perfect company, that perfect product, that perfect service, that perfect co-founder, that perfect VC and you could, you know, try to make this perfect thing and then that means you will never do anything. Same thing as surfing. Another analogy I would say is that, yes, you try to pick the perfect wave and you turn it the perfect time at the perfect angle and all the perfect stuff. But I think one of the things I learned about surfing is that at some point you turn and burn and then you just need to make that decision, right? Even if it's wrong. Right? You just gotta compensate. You would like to be in the barrel on the face of the wave, but guess what? You're an idiot. You're in the white water, so make the best of it right. And that's another metaphor for life, is that, you got to make decisions, right?Michael Frampton: Yeah, you just kind of describe that in the book by saying, just plant many, many seeds because you're not you don't know which one will eventually eventuate and you catch lots of waves. that's the thing a lot. I've said before on this podcast is that when you watch, a surfing movie, you've got to realize that might only be ten minutes worth of surfing that you're watching but it took a surfer a year worth five hours a day of surfing to get those ten minutes worth of surfing.Guy Kawasaki: Yea. You can apply that to almost everything in YouTube, right? So on the YouTube when they show this is a guy hitting half court shots, they shot him for five hours to get him making a half court shot twice. Right. He just goes out and does everyone like that? Yeah.Michael Frampton: Yeah.Michael Frampton: And surfing is a lot about sort of being in the right place at the right time and when you look at your career, I wonder how much of that's true. in your career?Guy Kawasaki: Oh, my career is more about being in the right place at the right time than it is about being in the right place because of my decision. Okay? I guarantee you that, I call this guys Golden touch, which is not whatever I touch turns to gold guys. Golden touch is whatever is gold guy touches.Michael Frampton: I like that.Guy Kawasaki: So, this is the equivalent of that in a surfing metaphor is sometimes and it's happened to me. Sometimes you just expect to get clobbered, right? And so you turn your back to the wave and you lean back because you're about to get clobbered. And somehow the wave catches you and you get a ride without even trying to get the ride. Yeah, I'm telling you, a lot of people join companies that they had no freaking idea what it was going to do, and they turned out to be millionaires. Like, I don't know, what's this company Google do? I don't know, they needed a facilities manager and I didn't have a job, so I went to work for Google. I was the first Google facilities manager and now come to find out, my stock is worth $50 million. Yeah. I'm so smart now. There have been waves I guarantee you, Michael. There have been waves that I caught that I didn't intend to catch.Michael Frampton: Oh yeah. Oh yeah.Michael Frampton: That happens all the time. And then you sort of, you turn up to the beach and without even knowing it's going to be good and it happens to be good. There's, there's luck involved in everything.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah.Michael Frampton: How do you define luck?Guy Kawasaki: I think luck is, getting back to seeds. Luck is planting a lot of seeds, right? I mean, you don't get lucky by staying on the sand. You get lucky by being in the water. You got to plant a lot of seeds and then, even if you're lucky, you have to take advantage of that luck. So you can't be a dumbass. You can't be a lazy schmuck and luck comes upon you and everything just is automatic. Even being lucky, you need to work hard. You need to be prepared. You need to be ready. If your board is not waxed and you're not sitting in the water. Yeah, you could be the most lucky guy in the world. You're still not going to catch the waveMichael Frampton: Yeah. And you have to be sort of looking for those opportunities as well, don't you?Michael Frampton: Yeah, I remember reading a book about luck and they did a test where they left a $20 bill sort of in the corner next to a sidewalk. And 95% of people just walk straight past. But then the person that noticed it considered themselves lucky, but really they were sort of open to or just being observant and looking for those opportunities.Guy Kawasaki: So you're saying those people saw it and didn't pick it up or they didn't see it at all?Michael Frampton: They didn't notice it? Yeah.Guy Kawasaki: Wow.Michael Frampton: That wasn't directly in the middle of the sidewalk. Obviously, everyone would see it. But, the corner of it's just sticking out and if you consider yourself a lucky person, then your peripheral vision is actually more likely to pick up on little things like that.Guy Kawasaki: I hate to tell you, but this is, it's a related story, not necessarily the same story, but I'll tell you something to this day. If I were walking down the street and I saw a penny on the ground, I would pick up the penny, I really would. I think that a penny doesn't make a lot of difference to anybody, but. Okay. But it's just the principle that you should never leave money.Michael Frampton: Yeah. No, I like that. That's a good metaphor, too. Like, if you're surfing in a crowd and a wave comes your way and it's. You probably should just take it rather than wait for the next one.Guy Kawasaki: Well, I have to say that, being deaf, I have a cochlear implant that's like, we can do this interview, but you can't wear a cochlear implant in the water. So being deaf in the water, there are some advantages to that. So like number one, Jerry Lopez says you should never be talking in the lineup. You should always be focused on surfing. Well, I hardly talk in the lineup because I cannot hear. So there's no sense talking, so that helps. And then let's just say that like every other kook in Santa Cruz, I drop in on people, okay? And then when they yell at me, I cannot hear. It doesn't bother me at all. They can yell all they want. I don't even hear.Michael Frampton: Interesting. I wonder, do you think that there could be an advantage? Because then, you know it is an advantage.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah. Because like, if I heard the person yelling at me and telling me to go f myself, then it would get in my head and I'd be pissed off and there'd be an argument. And who knows where that would lead? But now I just like, I'm deaf. I literally people have been like, jabbering at me and I said I'm deaf. I don't know what you're saying. I just paddle away. So if anybody's listening to this from Santa Cruz and you yell at me and I ignore you, that's what's happening.Michael Frampton: Do you sometimes purposely take it out, when you're doing other things to increase your focus?Guy Kawasaki: Oh, my implant?Michael Frampton: Yeah.Guy Kawasaki: No, i am blessed with a form of OCD that when I get focused on something, whether it's writing or editing or, anything like that. I can be anywhere. I can be in the middle seat of Southwest Airlines in row 35, and I can concentrate. It's not a matter of what I hear, so I never have to do that. Ijust lose touch with reality. It's the same thing when I speak, I have gone on stage with a migraine headache. I've gone on stage feeling sick but it just takes over me. And I'm just, like, in a zone. Deshaun Thompson zone.Michael Frampton: Have you always been like that or is that something that you've had to work on and foster?Guy Kawasaki: I can't remember. I think it just comes with repetition. I don't think I was born like that. I don't think anybody is born like that, but I certainly have it now.Michael Frampton: Is there a bigger picture behind that though? Like, is there a driving force that sort of allows you, to keep trudging forward?Guy Kawasaki: Well, for a while, I have four kids, so for the longest time my motivation was four tuitions. Now, as of next week, only one tuition will be in play, so that has reduced the pressure. But I guess I am just driven. I have a high need for achievement. Like this podcast, I do 52 episodes a year with no revenue,Guy Kawasaki: On paper you'd have to say, Guy, why do you do that? Why do you kill yourself doing a podcast? And I'm just driven. It's just driven by achievement. And in a sense, the same thing applies for surfing. For me, I do a lot of dry land training and stuff because I'm 60. I got to catch up, right? So I can't just get out there and automatically assume everything's going to work. So, the secret to my success in life, surfing, or to the extent that I am successful in surfing, the secret to my life is grit. I am willing to outwork anybody.Michael Frampton: There's also if you're doing dry land training, then there's a lot of podcasts as well. There's a lot of preparation that goes into that.Guy Kawasaki: Yep. Nobody can out-prep me.Michael Frampton: Oh, okay.Michael Frampton: I'm interested to know what does your dryland training for surfing look like?Guy Kawasaki: Oh, okay. I could do even more, but, I practiced pop-ups. I'm trying to constantly increase flexibility. I do more than anybody I know, but I know I could do so much more. It's just that in the last year or so, this book has just taken over my life, too. But, I'm telling you, I am going to hang ten. I'm going to hang ten and then I'm going to drop dead right after that and everything will be fine.Michael Frampton: Oh, funny.Guy Kawasaki: They're just going to get, I've seen them take dead bodies off the beach at Jax and the fire department comes and they put you in a little one of those. Is it a sleigh? What do they call it? One of those baskets. They bring the dead body up from the cliff in a basket, that's all. They're going to take me out of Jax, okay?Michael Frampton: You're die-happy then?Michael Frampton: Death on the nose. Yeah.Guy Kawasaki: He was so shocked. He hung ten. He had a stroke and died.Michael Frampton: Yeah, well.Michael Frampton: You get the right wave, get the right board. You'll get there for sure. It's a good goal.Guy Kawasaki: I have to tell you, though, it's much more likely that I, apparently hit my head on the ground and drowned then I hang ten on my last ride.Michael Frampton: Oh, I've got a feeling that you'll get there.Guy Kawasaki: Well, yeah, I hope so.Michael Frampton: So out of all you've done so many podcast episodes, like over 200, is there any is there any commonalities between all of these guests?Michael Frampton: Oh yeah.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, in a sense, the commonality with 250 episodes reduced to. Yeah, that's 5000 pages of transcripts, so that 5000 pages of transcripts has come down to 170 pages in a book. There's a lot of commonality and the lessons of the book reflect the commonality and at the highest level, the commonality is that to be remarkable, you need to have a growth mindset. You need to be willing to pay the price and be greedy and finally, you need to be gracious to be remarkable and that just happens over and over again with those 250 guests.Michael Frampton: How do you how do you define grit?Guy Kawasaki: Grit is the ability to do something when you are not necessarily getting positive results and nor do you necessarily enjoy it, but you just are willing to pay the price.Michael Frampton: So, is there an element of faith or hope that goes with that? or delusion?Michael Frampton: In my case, it's a delusion with surfing.Guy Kawasaki: But you know what? One thing I figured out is it doesn't matter why you're gritty. It's just that you're gritty. You could be stubborn. You could be OCD, you could be delusional. You could be whatever. But as long as you just keep putting it out, that's all that matters.Michael Frampton: Okay, and then grace, how do you define grace?Guy Kawasaki: Grace is when you come to this realization that you are successful in life, and you are fortunate because there are teachers and coaches and mentors and bosses. There are people who opened the door for you and because somebody opened the door for you, you should open the door for somebody else. So it's a sense of moral obligation to the world to pay back society.Michael Frampton: Okay, how would you define grace in the surfing world?Guy Kawasaki: I could. Okay, I yeah. I could tell you some really great stories here. So at 38, there are some surfers who are really quite good. I would love to be as good as them. And they are so good that they can catch a wave and they can surf the whole face. They can catch it in front of Jack's house, and they could go all the way to like Purves or to like practically the hook, right? They can take the face the whole way, and some of them do and you know what? When you're at Jack's and there's a lot of beginners and novices, there are lots of people who are going to catch the wave and get in your way on the face and that's just the way it is at Jax. Jax is for kooks and beginners, right and so these really good surfers, they can take the whole face and they get really pissed off with people and they yell at people and they scream and they push people off and all that, and I just don't understand that and believe me, I've been one of those people who've been pushed and yelled at and what I don't understand is like, okay, if you are so freaking good, go to first or second or go to the hook, but you're just trying to be a big dog in this little shit pond.Guy Kawasaki: So like, what is your problem? and like, everybody's out there, they're just trying to have a good time, learn how to surf, catch a few waves. So like what? Why are you being such an asshole? Then it's like, Guess what? There's nobody from the WSL sitting up on the East cliff looking for people for the WSL. So I hate to tell you, I can drop in on your face and I'm not going to affect your professional surfing career, so just shut up and go to second or first. That's my attitude. They completely lack grace and I have a theory that the better you are, the more gracious you are. It's the middle ground, right? So when you're really a beginner and lousy, you don't know what the hell you're doing. When you get kind of good, that's when you figure, I'm the big dog. I can get the face, I can hang ten, I can do cutbacks and all that. But then when you get really, really good, you say, I want to help other people enjoy surfing. And I'm going to help them and coach them and encourage them. You don't yell at them. The really good surfers don't yell at you.Michael Frampton: Yeah, I love that definition and I totally agree. Yep. Joel Tudor is famous for saying that the ultimate goal is Skip Frye.Guy Kawasaki: Skip Frye was like that?Michael Frampton: He still is.Michael Frampton: He's still out there surfing every day. He's in his 80s and he just glides gracefully along on his.Guy Kawasaki: But does he yell at somebody if a kook dropped in on him? No.Michael Frampton: No, of course not.Michael Frampton: He's been surfing so long that you just wouldn't. I think sometimes surfers also, I think a graceful surfer has the sort of demeanor about them that just you would feel bad dropping in on them because they're so graceful and they're not taking every wave. Does that sort of make? Yeah.Michael Frampton: But if you're out there trying to take every wave and yelling at people, you're actually more likely to get dropped in on again and again and again. So thank you. Thank you CCTV.Guy Kawasaki: Oh, God.Michael Frampton: I think part of this is a lot of those people, they surfed, 20, 30 years ago when there just was one-tenth of the amount of people in the water, and they kind of expect it to be like that still, even though you're right, you're right. They can go for it. They can drive half an hour and go somewhere else where it's more difficult and where there are less people.Guy Kawasaki: Half an hour, they could paddle 500 yards to the right and they could be someplace else like that, but I think a lot of those people, they realize that, at Jax, they stand out, but if they went to first or second, they would be at the bottom of the pile again. Right? And they would be yelled at not doing the yelling and they cannot adjust to that.Michael Frampton: So yeah, that doesn't feed their ego.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah. The second peak is my Mavericks.Michael Frampton: That's. yup, Okay.Michael Frampton: So that's Grace, and well, I quite like how you've defined compassion as a combination of empathy and grit. I really liked that definition. Can you speak a bit more on that?Guy Kawasaki: Well, the empathy part is easy, right? I mean, when you think of compassionate people, they can empathize. They can feel what you're feeling. They can understand, they can relate right, but the difference between empathy and compassion, I think, is that you want to go from empathy to compassion, which is the higher level. It means that you not only feel for the other person, you're actually do something. So a compassionate person does something and an empathetic person just feels something and that's the difference.Michael Frampton: Yeah. That's. So it comes back to doing again.Guy Kawasaki: Yep.Michael Frampton: Yeah.Guy Kawasaki: That's a recurrent theme in my books.Michael Frampton: Yeah. And I also really liked your Ikigai. You sort of, I like how you reframed that.Michael Frampton: Sort of do what you love, right?Michael Frampton: And then be willing to improve to go push through the shit sandwich to improve, but also to not expect to get paid for it.Guy Kawasaki: Well, see, I think that, now listen. I am Japanese American, but I don't want to give you the impression that I spent 20 years studying with Buddhist monks, and I truly understand Japanese and all that because I'm just as American as Donald Trump Jr. But I'll tell you something that lots of people define Ikigai as you draw three circles, which is what you love to do, what you're good at doing, and what you can get paid at, and in the middle of those three is what your ikigai should be, because you can get paid, you like it, and you're good at it. I disagree with that definition. My definition is that Ikigai means that you are not good at it. You cannot get paid at it, and you may hate it because you're not good and not getting paid at it, but you still do it, and that for me is surfing, right? I'm not good at it. I love doing it. Sometimes I hate it and I'm never going to get paid for it. So if you're under those conditions, if you still surf every day, you could probably bet that it's your Ikigai or something you truly, truly love, because it's not because it's the money. It's not because it's easy. It's only because you love it.Michael Frampton: Yeah I really like that it's a good twist on, because I was very aware of Ikigai. I think everyone is nowadays. It's become quite part of pop culture, but it was a really good reframing. I really liked that. Allan Langer.Guy Kawasaki: The psychologist.Michael Frampton: Yes. How did she change your perspective on things?Guy Kawasaki: Okay, so Ellen Langer. She made a brilliant observation to me that we spend so much time trying to make the right decision, but what we should do is make our decisions right, and going back to that surfing analogy. So, yeah, spend your whole life or the whole session in the water trying to make the right decision, but what you should really do is turn and burn and make that decision right, which means that you can compensate by turning the board or paddling harder or softer or, popping up, fading and then going right, or who knows, right? But Ellen Langer is all about, yes, take your best shot but then make your decision, right, and I think that is a very good prescription for how to lead a remarkable life. You've got to make your decisions right.Michael Frampton: Do you mean by that, as in, once you've made a decision to accept it and sort of trust that, it is right?Guy Kawasaki: Well, I don't know about trust, but, I think the reality is that you never can make the exact perfect decision because the future is unknowable and there's so many variables. So I'm not saying that if you got married to somebody and that person is physically abusive? I'm not saying stick in the marriage and make the decision right? Okay. There are some things. There are limits to these things right, but to think that the grass is always greener and to think that, perfection lies in the next wave, not this one. I think that's suboptimal. At some point, you just got to make it right.Michael Frampton: Yeah, so it's kind of about being present really.Guy Kawasaki: Yes. Yes.Michael Frampton: Yeah, interesting. Is meditation part of your life?Guy Kawasaki: No, no. Like, Marc Benioff in his interview talked about meditation and all that. I don't have time for meditation, right? I'm a doer. I'm not a meditator. What can I say? Hmm. Maybe I should meditate more. Maybe I could hang ten.Michael Frampton: I would argue that you said yourself, earlier that even in the middle seat, in cattle class on an airplane, you have the ability to focus on something.Michael Frampton: Yes, Most people meditate in order to get more of that, I think.Guy Kawasaki: Well, then I was born with it.Michael Frampton: Yeah. You're lucky. I see the statue in the background and is Buddhism part of your life?Guy Kawasaki: No, it's just I am in a closet that I've made into a sound studio, and I wanted to have an interesting background. So, I have tried dozens of things I like. I have this lamp, I have this fake flower. I have fake flowers. I have the lamp, I have bamboo, I have vases, I've tried all kinds of stuff. Yeah, I'm constantly experimenting to get, like, you have that surfboard back there, but I don't have space for a surfboard.Michael Frampton: So you're a little bit of an interior designer.Guy Kawasaki: You know what? I don't want to tell you how many hours I have spent trying to make a good background, putting all this soundproof foam, getting this stuff here, like, it would probably be measured in days, in days.Michael Frampton: Oh, no. It's a good thing. I think it looks good and, your voice is coming across with no echo. So, well done.Guy Kawasaki: Well, I once spent a few weeks trying to make sure that the video and audio were perfectly synced because I was getting a case where the audio was about two frames behind the video, and the way you test that is you do something like you clap and you see when your hands hit, and then you look and you see if there's a spike of the clap matching that exact moment right, and it wasn't. It was two frames off, and that just freaking drove me crazy, and then finally I found something that you can add frames of delay for the video or, I don't know, vice versa, whatever it was. Yeah, I'm a little nuts that way.Michael Frampton: Oh, you got to get that sort of stuff right though I think it does matter. Is that sort of a bit of a perfectionism that you speak about there?Guy Kawasaki: A bit. I'd say there's a freaking wheelbarrow full.Michael Frampton: If there was one message that you hoped someone got out of your most recent book. What is that?Guy Kawasaki: I hope people realize that it's not about deciding you want to be remarkable. The way it works is you make a difference. You make the world a better place. And if you make the world a better place, then people will believe you are remarkable. So it's not a which came first. It's just an order. You make the world a better place. People will think you're remarkable. So the focus not on being remarkable as much as making a difference.Michael Frampton: I love that. Guy. Thank you so much. Congratulations on.Guy Kawasaki: I might go surfing a second session.Michael Frampton: Awesome.Guy Kawasaki: Thank you.Michael Frampton: I'll have links to all of, everything of Guy in the show notes. Uh, thanks for tuning in, everyone.Guy Kawasaki: All right. Thank you very much for having me. All the best to you.Michael Frampton: All right. Thank you. Guy. Awesome. Really appreciate your time. Thank you. Bye bye.

The QuiverCast
Josh Pomer

The QuiverCast

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 11, 2024 65:48


Send us a Text Message.BUY THE ENDLESS SUMMER BOX SET HERE!In today's episode, we sit down with West Side Santa Cruz filmmaker Josh Pomer @beyondtheglide. Josh takes us back to his early days of hanging out, skateboarding, and watching Scooby-Do while his friend Flea was out conquering the waves at Steamer Lane. Eventually, he made it down to Cowell's and worked his way up to surfing Steamer's Lane. Inspired by the incredible talent of his friends, who had the potential to go pro, Josh picked up a camera and began documenting their surfing adventures. His passion for capturing these moments led to the creation of influential surf films like The Kill Series, Discovering Mavericks, and The Westsiders. These projects have cemented his status as an accomplished filmmaker in the surf community.Currently, Josh remains deeply involved in the world of documentaries, continuously pushing creative boundaries while staying true to his surfing roots. He's also working on a book. Despite his busy schedule, Josh finds time to hit the waves regularly, maintaining his connection to the sport that sparked his career. Be sure to follow Josh on YouTube and Instagram @beyondtheglide for the latest updates on his projects and surfing escapades. Tune in to hear more about his journey, his inspirations, and what's next on the horizon for this dedicated storyteller.Watch Josh's YouTube Here! Support the Show.BUY THE ENDLESS SUMMER BOX SET HERE!If you like the QuiverCast here are some ways to help us keep going! I always like Coffee! Buy me a Coffee! Become a Patreon for as little as a Buck a Month! Patreon Find Us: Website: thequivercast.com Instagram: @quiver_cast Facebook: The QuiverCast Twitter: @The_QuiverCast Sound Editing by: The Steele Collective

The DigitalMarketer Podcast
How to Escape the Founder Trap And Adopt a CEO Mentality to Scale Your Business with Frank Cowell

The DigitalMarketer Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later May 30, 2024 31:43


As a business owner, you know that transitioning from a founder mentality to a CEO mindset is crucial for scaling your business. But how do you make that shift without losing control or compromising your vision? We sat down with Frank Cowell, the Chief Revenue Boss of Revenue Ranch and a faculty member at Digital Marketer, to discuss the philosophies that can transform your approach to business management and growth.Frank shares his insights on how to move from being the superhero of your business to building a team that can operate independently and drive success. We discuss the importance of having a clear, compelling "True North" and the difference between long-term goals and short-term objectives. Frank also provides actionable tips on how to delegate effectively, align your team, and create a sustainable growth engine.If you're feeling overwhelmed by the day-to-day operations and want to learn how to elevate your business to the next level, this episode is for you. Tune in to discover how to shift your mindset, implement strategic planning, and ultimately achieve the impact you desire.Key Takeaways:03:35 The importance of shifting from founder brute force to CEO-driven strategy04:50 Why superhero-driven businesses don't scale07:17 How to convince long-time business owners to delegate10:20 The impact of age and experience on adopting a CEO mindset12:15 Aligning your business with your personal goals and impact18:37 The significance of having a clear, compelling "True North"22:17 Differentiating between long-term goals and short-term objectives25:17 The one-degree rule in business and its importance27:39 Preview of the next episode on the growth engineResources:Frank Cowell's 7 Core Capabilities Every Business Needs - https://shorturl.at/lZRAvConnect with Frank CowellWebsite - https://www.revenueranch.com/ LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankrcowell/ Be sure to subscribe to the podcast at: https://www.digitalmarketer.com/podcast/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/digitalmarketerInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/digitalmarketer/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/digital-marketer/This Month's Sponsors:Conversion Fanatics - Conversion Rate Optimization AgencyGet 50% Off Monthly Blog Writing Service - BKA Content More Resources from Scalable[Free Guide & Assessment] 7 Levels of ScaleFREE EPIC Challenge More Shows You'll LovePerpetual Traffic - The #1 podcast for learning paid traffic and...

Faith Radio Podcast from The Meeting House
Cowell, Cheri - EA Books ***BLUE LAKE 2024***

Faith Radio Podcast from The Meeting House

Play Episode Listen Later May 23, 2024 15:01


Guest: Cheri CowellOrganization: EA Books PublishingPosition: FounderInterview Location: Blue Lake Christian Writers Conference 2024Website: eabookspublishing.com

The DigitalMarketer Podcast
Break the 7-Figure Ceiling in Your Agency with Frank Cowell

The DigitalMarketer Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later May 21, 2024 29:46


Discover your agency's primary growth blocker in just a few minutes. Visit http://growthmomentumanalyzer.com for a free assessment and actionable insights to propel your business forward.Do you feel stuck in your agency's growth, overwhelmed by chaos, and constantly playing the hero to keep things running?As an agency owner, you want to scale your business smoothly and sustainably. However, hitting a growth ceiling and dealing with increasing complexity can be frustrating.According to Frank Cowell, Chief Revenue Boss at Revenue Ranch, this struggle is common among agencies that rely too heavily on the "hero business model." To break through, you need to shift your approach and harness the power of momentum.Frank reveals his "Momentum Mastery" framework, which focuses on working on the right things in the right order to create and leverage business momentum.If you're an agency owner or marketer tired of feeling stuck and overwhelmed, listen to this episode and discover how to optimize your business for sustainable growth.Key Takeaways:00:56 What is momentum in business?02:15 The hero business model and its limitations04:10 How to create momentum in business05:50 The seven core capabilities every business needs09:47 The purpose of the CEO and COO roles12:38 How to create a world-class offering13:08 Systematic sales process for predictable growth13:24 Active lead generation vs. passive leads14:25 Empowered work experience for your team15:03 Cash and profit optimization18:03 Why your service offering is the heart of your growth engine20:59 Thinking like an entrepreneur and grading your business capabilities24:04 The "Growth Momentum Analyzer" tool25:10 Aligning your business goals with the seven capabilitiesConnect with Frank CowellWebsite - https://www.revenueranch.com/ LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankrcowell/ Be sure to subscribe to the podcast at: https://www.digitalmarketer.com/podcast/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/digitalmarketerInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/digitalmarketer/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/digital-marketer/This Month's Sponsors:Conversion Fanatics - Conversion Rate Optimization AgencyGet 50% Off Monthly Blog Writing Service - BKA Content More Resources from Scalable[Free Guide & Assessment] 7 Levels of ScaleFREE EPIC Challenge More Shows You'll LovePerpetual Traffic - The #1 podcast for learning paid traffic and improving your...

Holy City Sinner Radio
Episode 254 - Interview with Ryan Cowell, CEO of Mayday Security Solutions  - (5/12/24)

Holy City Sinner Radio

Play Episode Listen Later May 13, 2024 38:41


On today's show: 1. Mayday Security Solutions website - https://maydaysafe.com/ 2. Local business makes bullet-resistant tech in the Lowcountry - https://www.counton2.com/news/local-news/new-security-technology-lands-in-the-lowcountry/ 3. South Carolina governor signs bill allowing permitless handgun carrying into law - https://myfox8.com/news/south-carolina/south-carolina-governor-signs-bill-allowing-permitless-handgun-carrying-into-law/ 4. SLED issues new guidelines with signing of permitless carry law - https://www.wbtw.com/news/state-regional-news/sled-issues-new-guidelines-with-signing-of-permitless-carry-law/ 5. Full text of H. 3594 - https://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess125_2023-2024/bills/3594.htm This episode's music is by Tyler Boone (tylerboonemusic.com). The episode was produced by LMC Soundsystem.

Composers Datebook
Cowell for winds

Composers Datebook

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 21, 2024 2:00


SynopsisHenry Cowell was one of the most prolific of all 20th-century American composers. Some of his works are aggressively experimental in nature, while others tap into folk traditions and world music. The range and variety are quite remarkable. Cowell wrote so many works, in fact, that even the composer himself often had trouble keeping track of all he had written.Take today's genial little Woodwind Quintet, for example. It was written in the early 1930s for the great French flute virtuoso Georges Barrère, who commissioned and premiered many new works involving his instrument. In 1934, Barrère even made a recording of the suite for New Music Quarterly, a publishing venture bankrolled by none other than the retired insurance executive and part-time composer Charles Ives.After that recording, Cowell went on producing new works, and the manuscript of his Woodwind Quintet remained with Barrère, who apparently just filed it away. The music didn't surface again until 1947, when it was discovered among the late flutist's collection of scores.On today's date in 1948, Cowell's Woodwind Suite received its first concert performance at Columbia University in New York City and quickly established itself as one of Cowell's most popular compositions.Music Played in Today's ProgramHenry Cowell (1897-1965): Suite for Woodwind Quintet; Solaris Capstone 8677

ExtraTime
CCC Fever for 'Caps/Cowell! Are the Fire playoff bound?

ExtraTime

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 8, 2024 72:00


Our favorite time of the year - CCC is underway! Andrew Wiebe, David Gass, Matt Doyle break down all the action of the tournament's opening round before rolling on with our MLS season previews!  2:58 -Whitecaps' classic CCC performance against Tigres 10:55 - Cade Cowell balls for Chivas 16:37 -Chicago Fire FC Season Preview 30:55 - Charlotte FC Season Preview 40:03 - Minnesota United Season Preview 50:20 - New York City FC Season Preview 1:01:19 - FC Dallas Season Preview  

Total Soccer Show: USMNT, EPL, MLS, Champions League and more ...
MLS offseason updates: Cade Cowell to Chivas, Rapids make big moves & more! Plus, USMNT January camp roster

Total Soccer Show: USMNT, EPL, MLS, Champions League and more ...

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 9, 2024 72:17 Very Popular


David Gass is back on the show! With the offseason in full swing, Taylor, Joe, and Gass dig into the latest news and notes from around MLS and look into the USMNT's January camp roster. Which MLS club has made the biggest moves so far? And which teams are gearing up for a big signing? That, plus updates on coaching hires, outgoing transfers, and more on the show. --- Today's show is brought to you by... Shopify! Help grow your business by signing up for a one-dollar-per-month trial at shopify.com/tss! --- JOIN THE TSS+ PATREON! Check out our Patreon, which houses bonus podcasts, access to our exclusive Discord, blog posts, videos, and much more. Become a member today at patreon.com/totalsoccershow! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices