Podcasts about self directed learning

Amanda Ashworth shares how reading The Four Hour Workweek led her to question conventional success, homeschool her children, and eventually create the World Schooling Hub in Goa. She explains discovering her son's hidden learning needs, why Goa became her family's second home, and how the hub supports children, teens, and even parents through education, play, and wellness practices. We also explore community life, balancing family and business, and why parent and dad circles matter for building connection.

In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Nate McClennen and Hayley Spira-Bauer explore the transformative potential of AI, media literacy, and personalized learning in reshaping education. The lively conversation discusses how generative AI can reduce teacher workloads, foster high-agency classrooms, and create opportunities for meaningful human connections. The conversation also dives into the importance of media literacy as a core skill for navigating today's digital landscape, empowering students to critically evaluate information and thrive in a rapidly evolving world. Tune in to discover actionable insights on building innovative, student-centered learning ecosystems and preparing learners for the future. Outline (00:00) Introduction and Guest Introduction (01:50) AI's Impact on Teacher Workload (03:41) Increasing Human Connection and Learning Ecosystems (10:23) Reimagining Cross-Curricular Teaching (14:27) Student Agency and Self-Directed Learning (31:49) The Role of Content Knowledge and Skills Links Watch the full video here Read the full blog here Hayley Spira-Bauer Website LinkedIn Fullmind Learning Can't Wait Podcast  

Send us a textWhat happens when a kindergarten teacher moves to teaching fifth grade and discovers that in just five years, the educational system has extinguished the light in children's eyes? For Leah McDermott, this stark realization sparked a journey from conventional educator to unschooling advocate.In this episode we talk with Leah about her path out of the classroom and into unschooling with her own family. She shares what it was like to grow up homeschooled in a very rigid, school-at-home way, and how that experience shaped the choices she made later. We hear how becoming a mother pushed her to rethink education completely, and why she founded Your Natural Learner to support families making the same shift.Leah explains why homeschooling often repeats the same problems as school when parents bring curriculum, tests, and grades into the home. She talks about the process of deschooling for parents, unlearning the reflex to correct or measure everything, and learning instead to trust children's natural curiosity. Her own son's love of math shows what this can look like in practice—solving complex problems in his head without ever being taught traditional methods.We also talk about how unschooling can feel isolating at first, when friends and family don't understand the choice. Leah reflects on the constant questions children face, like “What grade are you in?” or “What did you learn today?” and why shifting those questions toward real interests matters. She reminds parents that the pressure to justify unschooling often says more about their own uncertainty than about the curiosity of others.

Many educators associate virtual learning with isolation, disengagement, and students passively staring at screens. But what if the opposite were possible? What if distance learning could be thrilling, social, even addictive—in all the right ways?In this episode, we meet Ben Somers, founder and CEO of Recess.gg, an online platform transforming virtual education into an e-sports-style, team-based experience where students show up because they want to. With live academic games, mentorship, and a thriving virtual economy, Recess builds belonging, identity, and motivation into every challenge. But behind the fun is a serious vision: empowering self-directed learners with the tools—and freedom—they need to thrive.Ben draws from deep experience scaling Synthesis (born from Elon Musk's experimental school) and brings a philosophy rooted in Papert, Dewey, and Montessori to his product design. He argues that engagement is not just a tactic, but an ecosystem built on freedom, community, and purpose.Listeners will learn:Why removing humans from digital learning can kill engagement—and how to bring community back.How Recess balances spontaneity and structure to guide students toward long-term goals.What a “job board for kids” looks like—and how it helps them become creators, not consumers.How AI is being used not to replace human reflection, but to support deeper reflection and mentorship.What it means to design an environment where math is learned like French: fluently, through immersive experience.If you're a virtual school leader, edtech entrepreneur, homeschool parent, or anyone wondering how to make distance learning work better, this episode will challenge your assumptions and show what's possible when engagement is student-driven and purpose-aligned.Episode Links - Recess.gg – Where student agency meets academic gameplay - Seymour Papert – The educational theorist Ben credits as a major influence - Kerbal Space Program – The game teaching kids rocket science and orbital mechanics - Oxford Kids Conference – Where Recess students presented their podcastHost Links - Explore virtual learning resources and programs at CILC.org with Tami Moehring and Allyson Mitchell - Discover global learning experiences at Banyan Global Learning with Seth FleischauerWant to help us reshape distance learning? Share this episode with a colleague, reflect on your own “why” for virtual education, and remember: the future of learning might look a lot more like Recess than a lecture.

Send us a textBlake Boles joins us to talk about his recent editorial, "I Don't Want a Nuclear Family, I Want a Galactic Commune - on the pursuit of quality conversation", which is about the decline of quality conversation and his resistance to the nuclear family model. We discuss the difference between daily logistics and real dialogue, why travel often brings deeper connections, and how temporary communities can support richer conversations. Blake shares ideas like hosting travelers, playing structured games like Hot Seat, and treating every interaction as a chance to learn something new.Listen to our first episode together with Blake Boles | Why Are You Still Sending Your Kids To School? : https://www.theconrad.family/selfdirected48

Season 15 of Highest Aspirations begins with Dr. Carol Salva, author of Boosting Achievement. In this episode, Dr. Salva shares updated strategies from the new edition of her book designed to support English learners, newcomer students, and students with limited or interrupted formal education (SLIFE). She discusses practical tools educators can use to accelerate language development, build student confidence, and create welcoming classroom environments that foster belonging and success.Key questions we address:Why was a second edition of the book Boosting Achievement necessary?How can educators best support multilingual learners and maintain hope during challenging societal times?What does an "authentic learning experience" look like in practice, and how can teachers create one?For additional episode and community resources:Download the transcript here.Dr. Salva's website: https://salvac.edublogs.org/ Order Dr. Salva's second edition of Boosting AchievementThe Circuit and Breaking Through by Dr. Francisco JimenezDIY PD a Guide to Self-Directed Learning for Educators of Multilingual Learners by Katie Toppel, Tan Huynh, Carol SalvaML SummitSubscribe to our weekly newsletter, The Community BriefFor additional free resources geared toward supporting English learners, ⁠visit our blog.Carol Salva is an award-winning educator with proven success working with unschooled/under-schooled, multilingual learners classified as SLIFE (Students with Limited or Interrupted Formal Education) or ELD (English Language Development) students. She is a key Seidlitz Education consultant for training, coaching, modeling, and supporting program leaders. Dr. Carol Salva is a co-author of Boosting Achievement: Reaching Students with Interrupted Our Minimal Education and a co-author of DIY PD: A Guide to Self-Directed Learning for Educators of Multilingual Learners. She has taught elementary, middle, and high school.Carol holds a doctorate in education in the area of ethical leadership from the University of St. Thomas in Houston, Texas. She also has her Masters degree in Education Administration. Along with her ESL certification, she is a Certified Gomez & Gomez Dual Language Trainer and a Certified Abydos Writing Trainer. Dr. Salva is a Kahoot Ambassador and the co-chair of the NAELPA professional learning committee.

Send us a textAdolescence is often seen as something to endure — awkward years full of turbulence and struggle. But what if these years could be a time of discovery, adventure, and growth?In this episode, Jesper and Cecilie Conrad talk with Chris Balme on the launch day of his new book, Challenge Accepted: 50 Adventures to Make Middle School Awesome. We were introduced to Chris by our friend and former guest, Blake Boles, and quickly said yes to the conversation.Chris shares why adolescence is one of the most powerful stages of development — with a brain growing faster than at any other time, and social awareness reaching new heights — yet why conventional schooling so often gets in the way. Drawing on twelve years of research with adolescents worldwide, he shows how adventures like starting a business, creating guerrilla art, or camping solo can help young people step into their capabilities and keep their curiosity alive.Peter Gray, author of Free to Learn, praises the book:“Buy this book for every middle schooler, or about-to-be middle schooler you know. It just might provide the spark that turns what can be difficult years into years of awesome adventure and growth.”We also explore Chris's own path from unhappy student to educational innovator — founding a lab school and creating an apprenticeship program that connected more than 17,000 young people with real-world mentors (including one who learned to fly a plane at twelve!).

Today is the official launch date of host Kerry McDonald's new book, Joyful Learning: How to Find Freedom, Happiness, and Success Beyond Conventional Schooling! Check out this special interview—and get your copy of Joyful Learning wherever books are sold!          

Dive into Katie's heartfelt journey from public school to homeschooling at age 12. Through initial skepticism and the upheaval of COVID-19, she discovered deeper sibling bonds, self-directed learning, and hands-on passions—from soap-making and science experiments to historical fiction and a Thomas Jefferson Education co-op. By 14, Katie was exploring theater and college courses, transforming her understanding of learning, creativity, and independence. This inspiring story highlights the unexpected freedom and resilience nurtured by homeschooling—and invites listeners to rethink what “school” can be. Resources: Deschooling Podcast Episode (1) Deschooling Podcast Episode (2) SIGN UP FOR Free 3rd WEDNESDAY WORKSHOP: CLICK HERE SCHOOL TO HOMESCHOOL RESOURCES:  Sign Up for the School to Homeschool Newsletter Private Mentoring with Janae: Schedule a Free Discovery Call School to Homeschool YouTube Channel Etsy Store: Shop for Homeschooling Swag *Please note that some of the links included in this article are Amazon affiliate links. CONNECT with US Join the Private Facebook Group  Learn more about School to Homeschool Contact Janae: schooltohomeschool1@gmail.com

Today on LiberatED, Kerry McDonald sits down with Bonnie Benjamin-Phariss, the Executive Director of Mosaic at WeAreBornToLearn.org—a vibrant online hub where families can reimagine education in meaningful ways. Founded by philanthropist Jeff Westphal and supported by the Jeff & Jenifer Westphal Foundation, Mosaic blends community with curated resources and practical tools to help young people flourish as curious, confident, self-directed learners outside the bounds of conventional schooling. One of Mosaic's key goals is to support more research around self-directed education. A study they conducted during the pandemic with over 1,000 participants revealed that parents were widely interested in holistic approaches to education. Now, Mosaic is collaborating with the Institute for Self Directed Learning to launch a new survey to understand the perspectives of teachers and educators.  Read more about Mosaic's mission and research in this recent article by Nasiyah Isra-Ul at the Education Entrepreneurship Lab. ***   Sign up for Kerry's free, weekly email newsletter on education trends at edentrepreneur.org.

Send us a textIn this episode, we talk with Ben Feliz (14) and Addison Harding (13), home-educated children and contributors to the anthology “Hidden Voices Speak.” Addison came up with the idea for the book, Ben designed the cover, and they worked together with others to publish it. Both care deeply about children's rights and wanted to respond to recent news stories and new UK legislation affecting home education.They discuss the motivation behind the anthology, which was to give home-educated children and families a chance to share their experiences directly. Addison notes, "Nowhere in the bill do they ask what the child thinks," highlighting the lack of young voices in education policy discussions.Ben has always been home educated; Addison has experience in both school and home education. They describe learning based on curiosity and individual interests. The book includes contributions from both children and adults. This conversation provides a direct account of home education from young people who live it every day.

In this conversation, I talk with clinical psychologist and author Dr. Naomi Fisher about self-directed education, and why it can be such a powerful approach for neurodivergent kids, especially those with a PDA profile. Naomi shares why agency is so important in learning, how traditional school can chip away at a child's self-worth, and what it looks like when we truly support demand-avoidant kids in ways that work for them. We also get into the challenges parents face when stepping outside the norm and why keeping the parent-child relationship at the center is key. About Dr. Naomi Fisher Dr. Naomi Fisher is a clinical psychologist who specialises in trauma, autism and alternative education. She is the author of several books including When the Naughty Step Makes Things Worse and the Teenager's Guide to Burnout. She runs webinars for parents and more of her work can be found at www.naomifisher.co.uk Things you'll learn from this episode Why agency in learning is essential for neurodivergent children to build confidence, reduce anxiety, and stay engaged How self-directed education supports children—especially those with PDA—by minimizing pressure and honoring their natural pace Why respecting a child's right to say no is foundational for creating a safe, trust-based learning environment How understanding the cycle of demand avoidance helps reframe “bad behavior” as a response to overwhelm, not defiance Why shifting away from rigid definitions of academic success can open the door to more authentic growth and capability How prioritizing the parent-child relationship and finding community support helps families confidently navigate less conventional paths Resources mentioned Dr. Naomi Fisher's website Naomi Fisher on Substack A Different Way to Learn by Naomi Fisher Eliza Fricker Talks About Parenting a Child with PDA (Tilt Parenting Podcast) Eliza Fricker's website The Family Experience of PDA by Eliza Fricker Eliza Fricker / Missing the Mark on Facebook Changing Our Minds: How Children Can Take Control of Their Own Learning by Naomi Fisher What Can We Do When School's Not Working: An Illustrated Handbook for Professionals by Naomi Fisher Dr. Ross Greene's Collaborative and Proactive Solutions Model Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jennie Jones is an Entrepreneur-In-Residence at FEE's Education Entrepreneurship Lab. She is a former professional ballerina, turned homeschooling mom of four, turned education entrepreneur who launched her home-based microschool, Treehouse Agile Learning Community, in St. George, Utah last fall and is expanding into a second location this fall. Jennie was an earlier guest on the podcast talking about her founder journey and returns today to share some of the challenges of growth and regulatory ambiguity. Check out Jennie's latest article on this topic at the Education Entrepreneurship Lab. *** Sign up for Kerry's free, weekly email newsletter on education trends at edentrepreneur.org.

Today's guest is Sarah Pevehouse, founder of Apogee Dripping Springs Micro High School in Dripping Springs, Texas, west of Austin, which she launched in 2024. With a background in Waldorf and alternative education, Sarah has served as a teacher, administrator, and enrollment director, shaping real-world learning experiences for students. She has taught in overseas military schools, led summer camps, and held leadership roles in private K-8 and preschool programs.  Sarah is a mom of two daughters, ages 13 and 15, and is an active member of both the Apogee Strong network of education centers, as well as the KaiPod Catalyst microschool accelerator program. *** Sign up for Kerry's free, weekly email newsletter on education trends at edentrepreneur.org.

Nefertiti Harris is a former public school teacher, mom of five, and founder of Empowered Prep Academy, a microschool located in Jackson, Mississippi for students in grades 3-12 who desire a flexible and more individualized learning environment. As a certified special education teacher, Nefertiti focuses specifically on helping dyslexic students and those with similar learning needs. If you are looking to launch a microschool or similar learning environment in Mississippi, check out Embark.MS to help you on your journey. *** Sign up for Kerry's free, weekly e-newsletter on education entrepreneurship and innovation at edentrepreneur.org.

Today's guest is Jody Underwood, the founder and president of EdOpt, a platform offering information, support, and connections to New Hampshire families who want to explore their education options. Jody has spent most of her professional life involved in education, including getting a Ph.D. in science and technology education to complement her Master's in computer science. She worked for many years in the research division of Educational Testing Services (ETS), the nonprofit that administers tests such as the SAT exam. Jody has helped to support the launch of new microschools in her state, and is working to expand education entrepreneurship and innovation.  *** Sign up for Kerry's free, weekly e-newsletter on education entrepreneurship and innovation at edentrepreneur.org.

You've handed over choice, but you're still doing the heavy lifting. Many well-intentioned student-led experiences fall flat—not because students can't lead, but because they lack the structure, tools, and guidance to own the process. So how do we support self-directed learning without taking control back? In this episode, Laurence Myers, K–12 Service Learning and Self-Directed Projects Coordinator at the American School of Dubai, shares how his school builds true student ownership through purposeful systems, mentorship, and process design. From process journals to stakeholder mapping, Laurence breaks down the simple but powerful tools that  make student-led learning sustainable—for both teachers and students. You'll learn: What self-directed learning really looks like when students are supported the right way Tools that help students stay organized, reflective, and purpose-driven How to move from managing learning to mentoring it—without losing clarity Why your role as facilitator is more powerful than ever

Today's guest is Crystal Goins, a mom of 5 and founder of Heartwise Scholars Microschool in Chesapeake, Virginia. A public school teacher for over 13 years, Crystal joined the Kaipod Catalyst microschool accelerator program to help get her microschool off the ground, and opened her microschool last August. She shares insights and information for parents and teachers at her website theresilientteachermom.com.  *** Sign up for Kerry's free, weekly e-newsletter on education entrepreneurship and innovation at edentrepreneur.org.

My guest today is Tomis Parker, cofounder of the Agile Learning Centers (ALC) network that launched more than a decade ago. Since 2014, Tomis has led business operations at ALC Mosaic in Charlotte, North Carolina, and he recently founded a new project called Prism, which is a web application designed to make it easier to document and communicate the value of emergent, self-directed learning in microschools, homeschool programs, and for homeschooling/unschooling families.  *** Sign up for Kerry's free, weekly e-newsletter on education entrepreneurship and innovation at edentrepreneur.org.  

Text Sue what you think!What Is Deschooling? 5 Reasons to Make It a PriorityDeschooling isn't a one-time break—it's an essential shift that helps unschooling thrive. In this episode, Sue Patterson shares 5 quick reasons to actually prioritize deschooling and what happens when we don't.

Today's guest is Jania Otey, a homeschooling mom and founder of Kids and Culture Camp, an educational enrichment program for homeschoolers and conventionally-schooled children located in Washington, DC.  *** Sign up for Kerry's free, weekly LiberatED e-newsletter on education trends and entrepreneurial stories at fee.org/liberated.

Katie Berry returns to The Homeschool How To Podcast with a refreshingly honest revelation about her educational transformation. Once a curriculum devotee who meticulously planned each subject for her five children, Katie now champions a dramatically different approach that has revolutionized learning in her home.The catalyst? Life's demands forced her hand when increasing work responsibilities made her traditional teaching schedule unsustainable. What began as a necessary adaptation revealed an unexpected truth: her children learned more, retained information better, and developed genuine enthusiasm when given agency over their education. From her eight-year-old narrating detailed animal facts after watching Wild Kratts to her older son eagerly sharing discoveries from science comics, the evidence was undeniable.Katie still maintains that some subjects—particularly reading—benefit from direct instruction. If a child hasn't begun reading spontaneously by age six or seven, structured phonics teaching becomes essential. But for history, science, and other subjects, she's transitioned from teacher to mentor, guiding her children toward resources while allowing them to chart their learning paths through documentaries, podcasts, books, and hands-on activities.This shift addresses a profound educational gap Katie observed when her public-schooled daughter, despite graduating with honors, called home during her first month of college having panic attacks because she didn't know how to learn independently. The checkbox mentality of traditional education hadn't prepared her for self-directed learning. By contrast, Katie's homeschooled children are developing the exact skills needed for higher education success—finding resources, managing time, and pursuing knowledge without constant direction.Are you struggling with curriculum overload or wondering if your approach is sustainable? Join us for this thought-provoking conversation about loosening the reins, trusting your children's natural curiosity, and reimagining what effective education truly means. ✨ This episode is brought to you by Excelsior Classes — live, online courses for homeschoolers taught by passionate, Christian instructors. Whether your student needs support in core subjects or wants to explore exciting electives, Excelsior offers rigorous academics in a nurturing environment. Learn more at excelsiorclasses.com! Home Grown Collective: It's time to take food security into our own hands! Responsibly grown, locally sourced, and accessible to all. This app is free and easy to use! Just download in the app store or log on at HomeGrownCollective.org to connect with local farmers, find fresh food, and support sustainable agriculture. Whether you're a consumer or a grower looking to expand your business, this platform has the tools to make it happen—commission-free sales, a social share tool, and even a farmer reimbursement program!Support the showInstagram: TheHomeschoolHowToPodcast Facebook: The Homeschool How To Podcast

Gretchen Wegner, a former classroom teacher, is the founder of The Anti-Boring Learning Lab. This is a wonderful resource for all educators to check out, including home educators! In this second conversation, Gretchen will share her knowledge of Self-Directed Learning, which we discuss calling “Collaborative Learning”!  You'll learn what it is, how to implement it in any learning situation, and why it's worth taking the time to implement well! Video version available at DecodingLearningDifferences.com Be sure to check out Gretchen's FREE resources!  These are shared during the conversation and I found them to be so helpful with my own kids and students!

Welcome to the 300th episode of the LiberatED Podcast! That's hundreds of conversations, stories, and insights all centered around one core mission: reimagining education and helping families, educators, and innovators discover what's possible beyond the conventional classroom. Check out Kerry's forthcoming book: Joyful Learning: How to Find Freedom, Happiness, and Success Beyond Conventional Schooling Join our private Facebook group: LiberatED Podcast Community And sign up for Kerry's free, weekly LiberatED e-newsletter on education trends at fee.org/liberated.

This is a special crosspost episode of host Seth Fleischauer's other podcast, Make It Mindful: Insights for Global Learning.In this episode of Why Distance Learning?, host Seth Fleischauer welcomes Heather Rhodes, founder of Highgrove Education and former leader of Harrow School Online. Together, they explore how international online schools can foster academic excellence, cultural competence, and learner autonomy—challenging the perception that online learning lacks rigor, community, or real-world readiness.Heather shares how her journey began with a desire to support English learners beyond summer programs, and evolved into leading some of the most academically successful online schools in the UK. She explains how Highgrove Education builds a vibrant online culture, prioritizes independent learning, and prepares students not just for exams—but for adulthood.Key Topics Discussed:• Why international community building is at the heart of online learning• How online education reduces prejudice and creates a more inclusive environment• Practical ways to build belonging, including student-led clubs, house systems, and real-time feedback• The flipped classroom model and the secret to student agency and academic success• How conflict is addressed through cultural awareness and shared expectations• What kind of young adult emerges from this model—and why they thrive at university and beyondGuest Bio:Heather Rhodes is the founder of Highgrove Education, an academically rigorous international online school. With over a decade of experience in online education, she previously led Harrow School Online and continues to redefine what's possible in virtual learning. Heather's mission is to develop globally minded leaders through inclusive, high-impact education.Episode Links:1. Highgrove Education2. Highgrove Speaker Series – A public-facing program of expert-led talks that anyone can attend, not just enrolled students.

Today's guest is Ben Draper, Executive Director of the Macomber Center, a self-directed education center for homeschoolers in Massachusetts. Ben is a graduate of the Sudbury Valley School, where he spent most of his childhood and adolescence before attending college at Tufts University and later earning a studio art degree from the Boston Museum School. Ben is part of the founding team of a new organization, Sudbury International, which seeks to promote the Sudbury model of education as well as individual Sudbury-inspired schools and centers.  Register for Sudbury International's upcoming free webinar on April 5th, featuring graduates from four different Sudbury-model schools. *** Sign up for Kerry's free, weekly LiberatED e-newsletter on education trends at fee.org/liberated.

The public school system is broken. Too many kids feel left behind, uninspired, and stuck in a one-size-fits-all model that doesn't prepare them for real life—or real relationships. As a dad and leader, Jason believes we need a radical shift. That's why he sat down with Dr. Tyler Thigpen, an education innovator, to explore a new approach—one that fosters independence, critical thinking, and emotional intelligence.In this episode, Jason and Tyler unpack why the system is failing, what's working in learner-centered models, and how parents can take the lead. These new environments don't just teach facts—they shape identity, build resilience, and equip kids for healthy, whole lives.If you care about how your kids are learning and growing, this episode is for you. Let's raise a generation ready for both life and love.More about Dr. Thigpen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thigpentyler/Tyler grew up in Georgia and has worked in innovative district, private, and charter schools, as well as statewide and national nonprofits. Tyler is co-founder and CEO of The Forest School: An Acton Academy in Trilith, The Forest School Online, and the Institute for Self-Directed Learning, Academic Director at the University of Pennsylvania Graduate School of Education, and Guest Lecturer at the Harvard Graduate School of Education. Formerly, Tyler was partner at Transcend, a national nonprofit in school redesign, and worked closely on innovative school projects such as nXu, Whittle, The Academy Group, Washington Leadership Academy, Art in Motion, Hebrew Public, Teton Science's Place Network, EL Education, and the Brooklyn STEAM Center. Tyler also co-founded MENTOR Georgia, Transforming Teaching at Harvard, and the Chattahoochee Hills Charter School. Earlier, Tyler worked as head of the upper school at The Mount Vernon School in Atlanta, Spanish teacher in Gwinnett County public schools, and minister at the Grace family of churches where he led international development in Peru in areas of healthcare, education, poverty reduction, and infrastructure. Tyler holds a doctoral degree in education leadership from Harvard Graduate School of Education, a master's in public administration from Harvard John F. Kennedy School of Government, and a master's in theological studies from Regent College of the University of British Columbia. Tyler has written about the future of learning in the Washington Post, Education Week, Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Getting Smart, and others. Tyler lives with his wife and four children, all of whom attended The Forest School, in Trilith, GA.PatreonIf you've enjoyed this podcast, would you consider financially supporting the show? Every donation, big and small, helps the Vallottons continue to prioritize making this content for you. Click this link to support! Thank you!For information on the Marriage Intensive and other resources, go to jasonandlaurenvallotton.com !Connect with Lauren:InstagramFacebookConnect with Jason:Jay's InstagramJay's FacebookBraveCo Instagramwww.braveco.org

Today's guest is Dominque Burgess, a former public school teacher, visionary education entrepreneur, and a national leader in the microschool movement. As the founder of Burbrella Learning Academy Inc. in Burlington, North Carolina she has successfully launched multiple innovative microschools, including transforming an old Foot Locker in a mall into a thriving, student-centered learning hub. *** Sign up for Kerry's free, weekly LiberatED e-newsletter on education trends at fee.org/liberated.

Text Sue what you think!Unschooling by Subjects? Spring Reveals the Learning You Didn't Expect!Are you a homeschooling parent wondering how unschoolers cover subjects like language arts, math, science, social studies, and fine arts—without a curriculum?Or maybe you're unschooling but you're not sure you're doing enough.You're not alone! In this episode, we're diving into real-life examples of how traditional school subjects show up naturally during the spring season.If you've ever asked:"What about the core subjects?""How will my child learn math or writing without a curriculum?""Can we still cover what they 'need' in an unschooling lifestyle?"…this episode is for you.We'll explore: ✅ How springtime activities naturally invite learning ✅ Subject-by-subject ideas for language arts, math, science, social studies, and the arts ✅ How to recognize real learning in everyday moments ✅ Why letting go of rigid schooling structures opens up more meaningful educationPLUS: I'll tell you how to grab the brand-new Spring Unschooling Guide, filled with ideas sorted by subject, spring holidays, links, games, and journaling pages to help you document the learning unfolding in your home.✨ Whether you're new to unschooling or trying to trust the process more deeply, this episode will reassure you that YES—your kids are learning. Right now. All around you.

I had the privilege of sitting down with my friend Christine Soule, whose incredible life story will fill you with hope. Her story is a testimony that even the darkest moments can lead to the brightest futures. From a childhood surrounded by dysfunction to being trafficked as a young mother of three, Christine's story of transformation is nothing short of remarkable.During our conversation, she shares the turning points that led her from her lowest point to founding Providence Heights, a nonprofit that's launched 14 businesses and helped countless women discover their worth and potential.Whether you're facing your own struggles or leading others through theirs, Christine's insights give us practical wisdom for own journeys. Her story reminds us that no matter where you start, it's never too late to build a life you're proud of.---You can connect with Christine at: https://christinesoule.com/ and https://providenceheights.org/---P.S.: If you have a brand, and you want to learn exactly how to transform it into a game-changer in your industry, then Legendary Brands Academy was made with you in mind. The online program will teach you the same exact systems and strategies we've been using to transform brands for the past 20 years. No more wishing things could be different -- no more theorizing without action -- no more saying "that's for other brands, but not for me." With Legendary Brands Academy, everything is designed for you to take action and see transformation in real time. You'll learn the step-by-step systems you can begin to implement today. So if you're ready to see real change, real results, and real Raving Fans for your brand, then you can check out Legendary Brands Academy here: www.LegendaryBrandsAcademy.com---Sign up to have Scott email you a weekly shot of energy, with 1 Cool Quote, 1 Deep Thought, and 1 Useful Tool. This is original content, not a repost of the podcast. You can find the sign-up section at the bottom of my website www.ScottWozniak.com Learn how Scott and his team of consultants can help you build a legendary brand at www.SwozConsulting.com Connect with Scott on social media: linkedin.com/in/scottwozniak/https://www.facebook.com/scottewozniak------  Bonus: check out his other podcast (Alpha Pack): https://kite.link/alpha-pack-podcast If you like this podcast you will probably like that one, too. Who knows, you might even like it better! :)  Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Today's guest is Makenzie Oliver, host of the popular podcast Teacher, Let Your Light Shine! and its associated Facebook community. An award-winning public school teacher, Makenzie decided to leave the conventional classroom to launch her own microschool, Lighthouse Learning Microschool and Homeschool Hybrid, in 2020 in Longwood, Florida. She now helps other teachers to let their light shine through education entrepreneurship by offering a "Microschool Masterminds" program and various coaching resources.  *** Sign up for Kerry's free, weekly LiberatED e-newsletter on education trends at fee.org/liberated.

In this second episode in our series, Homeschooling To College, Kym Kent and I talk about some of the common myths around college admissions and affordability, as well as how to navigate the Common App as a homeschooling family.  "A trend colleges might not want applicants to notice: It's becoming easier to get in" (The Hechinger Report, Nov. 2024) "The secret that colleges should stop keeping" (The Atlantic, Feb. 2025) In case you missed it, check out our first episode in this series in which Kym and I discuss preparation for college admissions during the high school years, and the pre-application process.  *** Sign up for Kerry's free, weekly LiberatED e-newsletter on education trends at fee.org/liberated.

More About The Forest School: https://theforest.school/The Forest School Online: https://online.theforest.school/The Learner-Centered Microschool Accelerator: https://www.selfdirect.school/acceleratorThe public school system is broken. Too many kids feel left behind, uninspired, and stuck in a one-size-fits-all education model that doesn't prepare them for the real world. As a dad, educator, and leader, I believe we need a radical shift in how we teach the next generation. That's why I sat down with Tyler, an education innovator, to explore a new model of learning—one that builds independence, critical thinking, and real-world skills.In this episode, we dive into the history of the education system, why it's failing so many students, and what parents can do to take control. Tyler shares insights from years of redesigning schools, working with top institutions, and creating self-directed learning environments that equip kids for success. Whether you're a parent questioning your child's education or someone looking for a better way, this conversation will challenge and inspire you.If you're ready to rethink how kids learn, share this episode. Let's start a movement toward real education that prepares our kids for life—not just tests. Drop a comment below: What's been your experience with the school system? Are you considering an alternative path? Let's talk about it.More about Dr. Thigpen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thigpentyler/Tyler grew up in Georgia and has worked in innovative district, private, and charter schools, as well as statewide and national nonprofits. Tyler is co-founder and CEO of The Forest School: An Acton Academy in Trilith, The Forest School Online, and the Institute for Self-Directed Learning, Academic Director at the University of Pennsylvania Graduate School of Education, and Guest Lecturer at the Harvard Graduate School of Education. Formerly, Tyler was partner at Transcend, a national nonprofit in school redesign, and worked closely on innovative school projects such as nXu, Whittle, The Academy Group, Washington Leadership Academy, Art in Motion, Hebrew Public, Teton Science's Place Network, EL Education, and the Brooklyn STEAM Center. Tyler also co-founded MENTOR Georgia, Transforming Teaching at Harvard, and the Chattahoochee Hills Charter School. Earlier, Tyler worked as head of the upper school at The Mount Vernon School in Atlanta, Spanish teacher in Gwinnett County public schools, and minister at the Grace family of churches where he led international development in Peru in areas of healthcare, education, poverty reduction, and infrastructure. Tyler holds a doctoral degree in education leadership from Harvard Graduate School of Education, a master's in public administration from Harvard John F. Kennedy School of Government, and a master's in theological studies from Regent College of the University of British Columbia. Tyler has written about the future of learning in the Washington Post, Education Week, Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Getting Smart, and others. Tyler lives with his four children, all of whom attended The Forest School, in Trilith, GA.ABOUT BRAVECOWe live in a time where men are hunting for the truth and looking for the codebook to manhood. At BraveCo, we are on a mission to heal the narrative of masculinity across a generation; fighting the good fight together because every man should feel confident and capable of facing his pain, loving deeply, and leading a life that impacts the world around him.

Today's guest is Lauri Muse, a mom of of 7 children who has been actively homeschooling for 27 years. She recently launched World of Wonder Hybrid Microschool and Homeschool Enrichment Program in Union, Kentucky, near Cincinnati, Ohio. Her weekly homeschool enrichment program now serves over 140 kids, while the 3-day-a-week microschool she opened last fall currently has 15 students—and counting! *** Sign up for Kerry's free, weekly LiberatED e-newsletter on education trends at fee.org/liberated.

Today's guests are Katie Kilgore and Michael Frost who are the cofounders, along with a third family, of Three Cords Academy, a student-focused, Biblically-centered microschool currently serving 2nd-6th grades which they launched in Fall 2024 in Carrollton, Georgia. *** Sign up for Kerry's free, weekly LiberatED e-newsletter on education trends at fee.org/liberated.    

We've reached the finale of our Learn How To Learn series. I've invited my friend Jonathan Crabb to discuss what might be the ultimate learning accelerant: learning together.You've built your personal learning system, mastered the fundamentals, and maybe even implemented some multipliers along the way. But what happens when you add another mind to the equation? It's not just addition -- it's transformation.Through stories of our reading retreats, peer discussions, and our unique "thinking partnership," Jonathan and I reveal how learning relationships can break through your perceived ceiling. And you can apply these same strategies and insights to your learning journey too. The right learning partner doesn't just help you grow faster. They help you grow in directions you'd never discover alone.As we close this series, discover why the journey from student to peer might be the most powerful learning path of all.---You can connect with Jonathan on Twitter at: @JonathanBCrabb ---P.S.: If you have a brand, and you want to learn exactly how to transform it into a game-changer in your industry, then Legendary Brands Academy was made with you in mind. The online program will teach you the same exact systems and strategies we've been using to transform brands for the past 20 years. No more wishing things could be different -- no more theorizing without action -- no more saying "that's for other brands, but not for me." With Legendary Brands Academy, everything is designed for you to take action and see transformation in real time. You'll learn the step-by-step systems you can begin to implement today. So if you're ready to see real change, real results, and real Raving Fans for your brand, then you can check out Legendary Brands Academy here: www.LegendaryBrandsAcademy.com---Sign up to have Scott email you a weekly shot of energy, with 1 Cool Quote, 1 Deep Thought, and 1 Useful Tool. This is original content, not a repost of the podcast. You can find the sign-up section at the bottom of my website www.ScottWozniak.com Learn how Scott and his team of consultants can help you build a legendary brand at www.SwozConsulting.com Connect with Scott on social media: linkedin.com/in/scottwozniak/https://www.facebook.com/scottewozniak------  Bonus: check out his other podcast (Alpha Pack): https://kite.link/alpha-pack-podcast If you like this podcast you will probably like that one, too. Who knows, you might even like it better! :)  Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Much of modern work is defined by routine, efficiency targets, and the need to appear productive. But how much of it is actually necessary? Dennis Nørmark, Danish anthropologist, author, and speaker, argues that a significant part of today's work culture is built on pseudo-work—tasks that maintain appearances rather than create real value. As the co-author of Pseudo-Work: How We Ended Up Being Busy Doing Nothing, he examines why unnecessary work persists and how it shapes our perception of productivity. In I Wish My Boss Was a Chief, he applies leadership lessons from indigenous cultures to modern management, questioning whether our current systems are as effective as we assume.This conversation explores how unfreedom has become a feature of work and society, limiting personal agency and reinforcing structures of control. Predictions from a century ago suggested that technological progress would reduce working hours, yet most people today work as much as ever. Why has this happened? How do schools, workplaces, and governments encourage dependence rather than autonomy? And what can be done to reclaim control over our time and choices?Key TopicsWhat pseudo-work is and why it persistsHow bureaucracy and control shape modern work cultureThe shift from work as necessity to work as identityWhy predictions of reduced working hours never materializedHow education reinforces compliance rather than independenceRethinking work, freedom, and personal agencyDennis Nørmark challenges assumptions about work and productivity, raising questions about what it means to contribute meaningfully in a system that values busyness over results.

As we near the end of my Learn How to Learn Deep Dive, I'm revealing powerful multipliers that can accelerate your learning journey. By now, you might already have a steady learning system in place. But even the best learning systems can begin to get stale or stagnate. Consider the strategies discussed in this episode as your "oil changes," or strategies to add on top of your foundational base. Your ceiling might be higher than you think. Add these multipliers on top of your foundational base, and watch yourself overcome setbacks, reach goals faster, and skyrocket to new heights.---P.S.: If you have a brand, and you want to learn exactly how to transform it into a game-changer in your industry, then Legendary Brands Academy was made with you in mind. The online program will teach you the same exact systems and strategies we've been using to transform brands for the past 20 years. No more wishing things could be different -- no more theorizing without action -- no more saying "that's for other brands, but not for me." With Legendary Brands Academy, everything is designed for you to take action and see transformation in real time. You'll learn the step-by-step systems you can begin to implement today. So if you're ready to see real change, real results, and real Raving Fans for your brand, then you can check out Legendary Brands Academy here: www.LegendaryBrandsAcademy.com---Sign up to have Scott email you a weekly shot of energy, with 1 Cool Quote, 1 Deep Thought, and 1 Useful Tool. This is original content, not a repost of the podcast. You can find the sign-up section at the bottom of my website www.ScottWozniak.com Learn how Scott and his team of consultants can help you build a legendary brand at www.SwozConsulting.com Connect with Scott on social media: linkedin.com/in/scottwozniak/https://www.facebook.com/scottewozniak------  Bonus: check out his other podcast (Alpha Pack): https://kite.link/alpha-pack-podcast If you like this podcast you will probably like that one, too. Who knows, you might even like it better! :)  Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Traditional education often fails to nurture curiosity, creativity, and deep engagement. In this episode, we explore a different path—one that is flexible, self-directed, and built around each child's unique interests. We discuss homeschooling, unschooling, and modular education, breaking down how families can step away from rigid school structures and embrace learning that feels natural and meaningful.Our guest, Manisha Snoyer, is an entrepreneur, educator, and founder of Modulo, a curated online community that helps homeschooling families access expert resources and support. With experience teaching over 2,000 students worldwide, running a foreign language theater school, and launching education startups like CottageClass and MasteryHour.org, Manisha is passionate about building personalized, project-driven learning environments that prioritize compassion and children's rights.We discuss how education can be more flexible and connected to real life, the role of community and mentorship in homeschooling, and how platforms like Modulo are making personalized learning more accessible than ever.Join us for a conversation on rethinking education, trusting kids to learn, and creating an environment where curiosity thrives.

Jake Thompson is the founder of Heroes Academy, an Acton Academy in Boise, Idaho that he opened in 2016. Jake is also now the head of the entire Acton Academy network, which includes over 300 learner-driven schools serving thousands of students worldwide.  Check out Kerry's LiberatED interview with Acton Academy network cofounder, Jeff Sandefer. *** Sign up for Kerry's free, weekly LiberatED e-newsletter on education trends at fee.org/liberated.

What makes Danish parenting unique, and how does it raise happy, resilient kids? In this episode, we talk with Jessica Joelle Alexander, bestselling author of The Danish Way of Parenting, about Denmark's highly regarded child-rearing approach.The Danish approach to raising children is shaped by principles from Nikolaj Frederik Severin Grundtvig (1783–1872), a Danish pastor, philosopher, and educator who emphasized personal formation ("Dannelse") as equally important as academic education ("Uddannelse").In the second half of our conversation, we shift into the digital world, where Jessica introduces her latest project, RaisingDigitalCitizens.com. She explains how parents can foster healthy relationships with technology, build trust, and guide children in navigating the online world safely.

Picking back up with the tenth installment of my Learn How to Learn Deep Dive, I'm revealing something counterintuitive: the key to learning isn't just about putting in more hours -- it's about mastering the rhythms of learning.The most successful learners don't just push harder -- they understand when to shift gears. It's about ebb and flow, imitating the rhythms we see in nature all around us. Drawing from my own journey learning Spanish, I demonstrate how small, consistent actions combined with strategic breaks can lead to remarkable growth. It's time to work with your natural rhythms, not against them.---P.S.: If you have a brand, and you want to learn exactly how to transform it into a game-changer in your industry, then Legendary Brands Academy was made with you in mind. The online program will teach you the same exact systems and strategies we've been using to transform brands for the past 20 years. No more wishing things could be different -- no more theorizing without action -- no more saying "that's for other brands, but not for me." With Legendary Brands Academy, everything is designed for you to take action and see transformation in real time. You'll learn the step-by-step systems you can begin to implement today. So if you're ready to see real change, real results, and real Raving Fans for your brand, then you can check out Legendary Brands Academy here: www.LegendaryBrandsAcademy.com---Sign up to have Scott email you a weekly shot of energy, with 1 Cool Quote, 1 Deep Thought, and 1 Useful Tool. This is original content, not a repost of the podcast. You can find the sign-up section at the bottom of my website www.ScottWozniak.com Learn how Scott and his team of consultants can help you build a legendary brand at www.SwozConsulting.com Connect with Scott on social media: linkedin.com/in/scottwozniak/https://www.facebook.com/scottewozniak------  Bonus: check out his other podcast (Alpha Pack): https://kite.link/alpha-pack-podcast If you like this podcast you will probably like that one, too. Who knows, you might even like it better! :)  Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

SEASON: 4 EPISODE: 35Episode Overview:Ever feel like you are working hard, but not always smart? This week on Becoming Preferred, we're diving into the world of sales enablement with Dr. Stefanie Boyer, a true expert in the field. Stefanie helps businesses equip their sales teams with the tools, resources, and strategies they need to close deals and boost revenue. She's here to break down what sales enablement really is, why it matters, and how you can implement it in your own organization. Get ready to transform your sales performance with my guest, Stefanie Boyer. Guest Bio: Dr. Stefanie Boyer, Professor of Marketing at Bryant University, is the Co-Founder of RNMKRS, a virtual platform for training and assessing sales talent. She is Executive Director of the Northeast Intercollegiate Sales Competition, linking organizations with top talent, and is the recipient of the prestigious American Marketing Association Sales Educator of the Year Award. Stefanie coauthored The Little Black Book of Social Media, Strategies to Ignite Your Business, Influencer, and Professional Brand. She brings unique and valuable experience to the classroom and to organizations that want to build their client base.Since 2003, Dr. Boyer has held various roles in training and developing sales professionals working in sales and preparing to go into sales. Her expertise leverages self-directed learning philosophies to help organizations get more out of their training resources. What does that mean? Your team will learn more effectively and efficiently and you will see an improvement in performance when you use this approach. Dr. Boyer uses an adaptability approach to training teams to shorten their decision making cycle and capitalize on revenue opportunities.Dr. Boyer created a sales movement at Bryant University with a sales minor, various sales competitions and events, a vibrant sales team and mentorship programs. She strives to bring together the brightest sales students and leading sales organizations in the northeast and expanding around the country for networking, recruiting, competition and skill-building.Dr. Boyer has won several teaching, innovation, research and service awards over the years in the sales field.You can find more information about her research and the training she does in the following outlets: Wall Street Journal, Sales Education Foundation Annual Magazine, Journal of Business Research, Journal of the Academy of Marketing Science, Journal of Selling, International Journal of Education, Journal of Marketing Analytics, Journal of Self-Directed Learning, Marketing Management Journal, Journal of Marketing Channels, Journal of Business to Business Marketing, Journal of Managerial Issues, Journal of Marketing Education, Journal for Advancement of Marketing Education, Academy of Marketing Studies Journal, International Journal of Sales, Marketing and Retailing, and the Journal of Research and Interactive Marketing, among others. B.A., M.B.A., Ph.D. University of South Florida.Resource Links:Website: Website: https://www.bryant.edu/academics/faculty/boyer-stefanieProduct Link:

How can unschooling create a safe and empowering educational path for children? In this episode, we talk with Essie Richards about her transformative journey from traditional schooling to unschooling in rural Cornwall, UK. Essie shares how her family chose this path after her son faced bullying, leading them to embrace self-directed education as a way to foster curiosity, confidence, and emotional well-being.Our conversation delves into the principles of unschooling, focusing on its power to nurture children's natural interests and foster stronger family connections. Essie discusses the role of respectful parenting in creating a supportive environment where children can thrive without the constraints of conventional schooling.We also explore the practicalities of this lifestyle, from adjusting family routines to finding a community of like-minded parents, highlighting how unschooling can redefine education as a safe, fulfilling, and flexible process tailored to each child's unique needs.

Sugata Mitra is a renowned educational researcher and innovator best known for his revolutionary "Hole in the Wall" experiment, which demonstrated the incredible capacity of children to teach themselves when provided with access to technology. A TED Prize winner and creator of the "School in the Cloud," Sugata's work challenges traditional educational systems and advocates for self-organized and emergent learning as the future of education.After a lighthearted opening about weather and cultural quirks, we transition to the ideas that underpin Sugata's groundbreaking research. The incredible story of the "Hole in the Wall" experiment, where children in a New Delhi slum mastered computer skills and explored the internet without formal teaching.The difference between self-directed, self-organized, and self-organizing systems in education—and why it matters.Reflections on unschooling and redefining education as self-directed learning, breaking away from rigid curricula.The role of technology, including the rise of generative AI, and how it impacts what it means to "know" in the 21st century.A philosophical discussion on truth, learning as an emergent phenomenon, and the importance of nonsense and unanswerable questions in human development.Reflections on communal learning and human connection.

Today's podcast guest is Tyler Thigpen, co-founder and CEO of The Forest School: An Acton Academy, The Forest School Online, and the Institute for Self Directed Learning in Fayetteville, Georgia. Tyler is also the Academic Director at the University of Pennsylvania Graduate School of Education, a guest lecturer at the Harvard University Graduate School of Education, and co-author of the new book, The Playbook for Self-Directed Learning: A Leader's Guide to School Transformation and Student Agency. *** Sign up for Kerry's free, weekly LiberatED e-newsletter on education trends at fee.org/liberated.

In this 9th installment of my Learn How to Learn Deep Dive, I'm tackling one of the most critical elements of growth: Feedback. Without good feedback, you could be reinforcing the wrong habits or working on the wrong things entirely.Through personal stories (from my early days in theater to my current practice of getting feedback from my wife), I share my journey of how honest feedback changed my rate of growth. You'll learn specific techniques for getting honest feedback, including an email template I use that you can request. Feel free to reach out to me at scott@swozconsulting.com if you'd like a copy of this feedback template. ---P.S.: If you have a brand, and you want to learn exactly how to transform it into a game-changer in your industry, then Legendary Brands Academy was made with you in mind. The online program will teach you the same exact systems and strategies we've been using to transform brands for the past 20 years. No more wishing things could be different -- no more theorizing without action -- no more saying "that's for other brands, but not for me." With Legendary Brands Academy, everything is designed for you to take action and see transformation in real time. You'll learn the step-by-step systems you can begin to implement today. So if you're ready to see real change, real results, and real Raving Fans for your brand, then you can check out Legendary Brands Academy here: www.LegendaryBrandsAcademy.com---Sign up to have Scott email you a weekly shot of energy, with 1 Cool Quote, 1 Deep Thought, and 1 Useful Tool. This is original content, not a repost of the podcast. You can find the sign-up section at the bottom of my website www.ScottWozniak.com Learn how Scott and his team of consultants can help you build a legendary brand at www.SwozConsulting.com Connect with Scott on social media: linkedin.com/in/scottwozniak/https://www.facebook.com/scottewozniak------  Bonus: check out his other podcast (Alpha Pack): https://kite.link/alpha-pack-podcast If you like this podcast you will probably like that one, too. Who knows, you might even like it better! :)  Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Luba Vangelova is the founder of The Hub, a part-time online microschool for homeschooled teens and tweens that emphasizes curiosity, collaboration, and community. *** Sign up for Kerry's free, weekly LiberatED e-newsletter on education trends at fee.org/liberated.

Kristy Moody is the cofounder, along with her husband, of Acton Academy Palm Harbor in Florida. A former public school teacher and principal, Kristy tried to make change within the conventional system but ultimately decided on entrepreneurship. She launched her school in August of 2022 to provide a space for learner-driven education in her community.  *** Sign up for Kerry's free, weekly LiberatED e-newsletter on education trends at fee.org/liberated.

In this episode of the Crazy Wisdom Podcast, host Stewart Alsop reconnects with Eric Fisher, one of the show's earliest guests. Their conversation weaves through profound topics like the evolution of AI, the potential consequences of large language models (LLMs), and how AI might reshape both spirituality and education. Eric shares reflections from his time at Facebook, offering behind-the-scenes insight into the creation of algorithmic feeds and how those decisions echo into today's world of AI-driven interactions. Together, Stewart and Eric explore the nature of human attention, the future of work, and the potential divide between tech-driven living and a return to nature. Their discussion raises essential questions about where humanity is headed in the face of exponential technological change and how people can retain their sense of agency and spirit along the way. If you want to learn more about Eric visit his website mindfulimprov.com.Check out this GPT we trained on the conversation!Timestamps00:00 Introduction and Reunion00:44 Reflecting on Past Interviews01:18 Spiritual Understandings and AI01:32 The Dual Nature of AI02:43 The Evolution of Facebook's News Feed05:32 AI's Role in Future Technologies13:47 AI in Education and Synthetic Data16:58 The Future of AI and Society21:54 Spirituality and Technology27:58 Humanoid Robots: Beyond Sex Dolls28:28 The Role of Robots in Agriculture and Home29:07 Industrial Robots vs. Home Robots29:44 The Philosophy Behind Technological Advancements30:22 The Vision of the Future: Post-Steve Jobs Era31:17 The Impact of AI and Automation on Society32:55 Accelerationism vs. Degrowth: The Tech Debate40:41 Demographic Crisis and the Future of Humanity45:18 Economic Inequality and the Common Man46:39 The Evolution of Political Ideologies52:09 The Future of Work and Society54:14 Concluding Thoughts and Future DiscussionsKey Insights1. The Dual Nature of AI: Promise and PerilEric Fisher highlights the dual potential of AI as both a tool for human advancement and a source of unforeseen challenges. Drawing from his experience at Facebook, he explains how algorithmic feeds designed to increase engagement eventually led to widespread issues like polarization and misinformation. This echoes in today's world of LLMs (Large Language Models), where AI's utility as a tool for learning, troubleshooting, and content creation exists alongside the risk of biased or manipulative outputs. The key takeaway is that technology, like a rock, is neutral — its impact depends on how it is used and who is using it.2. The Evolution of Attention as a ResourceAttention has become a central currency in the modern economy, and Fisher points out that the concept of "attention economy" wasn't even part of public discourse a few decades ago. Today, with the rise of LLM-driven AI companions and algorithmic feeds, attention is being sliced and sold with increasing precision. This shift raises questions about how much of human autonomy is being traded away in favor of frictionless convenience. As AI becomes more adept at predicting and shaping user behavior, the concept of "free will" within an attention-driven economy becomes murkier.3. The Next Phase of Education: Self-Directed Learning with AI TutorsBoth Stewart Alsop and Eric Fisher recognize the potential for AI to revolutionize education. Instead of the traditional classroom model, self-directed learning with AI-driven tutors could allow for personalized, one-on-one learning experiences for every student. Fisher notes that tools like ChatGPT have already enabled him to troubleshoot complex home systems, like his geothermal cooling system, without needing to call a specialist. This self-sufficiency could be mirrored in education, where AI assistants offer instant, tailored guidance to students across a range of subjects.4. The Blurring of Reality: Personalized AI-Generated WorldsA provocative idea discussed in the episode is the possibility of AI-generated personalized realities. Through augmented reality (AR) glasses or VR headsets, individuals could project and experience personalized versions of reality. Fisher points out that, in many ways, people already live in "personalized mental realities" shaped by language, perception, and cultural narratives. AI could make this more literal, with each person living in a bespoke, algorithmically generated world. While this concept sounds thrilling, it also hints at a future where shared consensus reality — the "real world" — becomes more fragmented than ever.5. Economic Shifts: From Worker-Centric to Business-Centric SystemsTracing the legacy of figures like FDR and LBJ, Fisher reflects on how America shifted from a society that valued the working class to one that prioritizes business interests. While earlier eras emphasized worker rights, health care, and public welfare, today's economy is focused on empowering small businesses and startups. Everyone is now expected to be a "business of one," as independent creators, gig workers, and personal brands become the dominant paradigm. The result is a world where individual workers act like micro-businesses, managing their own healthcare, retirement, and financial stability — often with no safety net.6. The Threat of Decentralized AI and the Loss of TruthWith Meta and OpenAI releasing LLMs and synthetic AI models into the open-source community, Fisher expresses concern about the fragmentation of "truth." As more people train and deploy their own AI models, the risk of misinformation rises. Just as search engines can prioritize certain content over others, decentralized AI models may be subtly — or overtly — biased. This issue becomes even more concerning if companies start inserting ad-driven recommendations into AI responses, giving users the illusion of objectivity when, in fact, they're being guided toward a commercial end.7. The Coming Collapse and the Chance for RenewalThe episode touches on a cyclical view of history, where moments of collapse often lead to periods of rebirth. Fisher compares this to the aftermath of the bubonic plague, which killed half of Europe's population but led to the Renaissance and an era of cultural flourishing. He speculates that a similar phenomenon could play out today. Whether through demographic decline, AI-driven disruption, or a collapse of old economic models, humanity could experience a dramatic contraction. Paradoxically, such a collapse might bring about an "age of spaciousness" where fewer people, better technology, and renewed humanism create a richer and more thoughtful way of life.