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Let us know how you enjoyed this episode!Valentine's Day can feel heavy when your marriage isn't where you want it to be — and that doesn't mean you're failing. It means something is asking for your attention.If Valentine's Day brings up disappointment, sadness, resentment, or pressure, this episode is for you. Instead of viewing this holiday as a test of your marriage, we're reframing it as a signal — one that highlights what's really going on beneath the surface.In this episode, I share:- How Valentine's Day often magnifies existing disconnection in marriage- The difference between performative romance and real emotional intimacy- Why one “perfect” date won't fix unresolved issues- Why micro-connections matter more than grand gestures- How my husband and I approach Valentine's Day differently — and why it works for us- What to do when Valentine's Day brings up more pain than excitementIf your marriage feels rocky right now, this episode will help you ease the pressure, understand what your feelings are trying to tell you, and take a more grounded, honest step forward.Mentioned in this episode:- Want to know what your love language is? Take the Five Love Languages quiz here!If this episode has helped you realize that deeper support is needed, you can schedule a Clarity Call with me to talk through what's happening in your marriage and what would actually help.Thanks for listening!Connect and send a message letting me know what you took away from this episode: @michellepurtacoachingIf you would like to support this show, please rate and review the show, and share it with people you know would love this show too!Additional Resources:Ready to put a stop to the arguments in your marriage? Watch this free masterclass - The #1 Conversation Married Couples Need To Have (But Aren't)Support the show
Special Patreon Release: Better Together with Jon and Jolene Rocke "What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." Mark 10:9 (KJV) *Transcription Below* Questions and Topics We Discuss: What are you so thankful you did in every season of marriage, from newlyweds to empty nesters that you see the pay off now in the present? How has grace and forgiveness benefited your relationship? What advice do you have for all of us married couples as we seek to grow as one, rather than grow parallel or even grow apart from one another? Jon and Jolene Rocke are my local friends and my guests for today. They work side by side at Peoria Rescue ministries, and they have so many lovely gifts of leadership and hospitality and teaching, but the topic we are going to focus on today is marriage. From the first time we met, Mark and I adored them and appreciated their sweet bond with one another, and I'm so thrilled to introduce you to them today. Here's our chat: Jon and Jolene both grew up in Christian homes and accepted Jesus as their Savior and Lord at the age of 15. Jon is from Morton and Jolene from Elgin, IL. They met on a bus ride to a Youth Gathering in Minnesota. They sat together and talked the whole way home about life, the Bible and God. Jon played his guitar and sang John Denver songs and their match was made with “Sunshine on my Shoulders”. They married at the age of 18 and had their first child, Janelle, at 19. They left for Grace college in Winona Lake, Indiana with an 18 month old toddler in tow and had another baby girl born while in college named Jaime. At graduation in 1984, they were accepted to Trinity Seminary to follow Jon's desire to be a Professor of Theology, but became pregnant with their son, Jordan, which changed every plan and sent them back home to build up their finances. They came back to Morton and worked in the Family Business and felt called to stay. They raised their 3 children in Morton working in the business until God loosened their tent pegs and called them to Peoria Rescue Ministries in 2017. Jon is the Executive Director and Jolene is the Ministry Ambassador. They are thankful to be working side-by-side in this new season of their marriage. Jon and Jolene will celebrate their 44th wedding anniversary and have 3 married children and have 10 grandchildren. Their son Jordan and his wife Jessica live in Sandpoint, Idaho with their 3 Kids. Their daughter Janelle and husband Ryan live in Kennesaw, Georgia with their 3 children. And their daughter Jaime and her husband Jonathan live here in Morton with their 4 children. Related Episodes from The Savvy Sauce: 5 Love Languages with Dr. Gary Chapman Traveling with Your Family with Katie Mueller At The Savvy Sauce, we will only recommend resources we believe in! 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Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” *Transcription* Music: (0:00 – 0:09) Laura Dugger: (0:10 - 2:05) Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host, Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. I want to say a huge thank you to today's sponsors for this episode, Chick-fil-A East Peoria and Savvy Sauce Charities. Are you interested in a free college education for you or someone you know? Stay tuned for details coming later in this episode from today's sponsor, Chick-fil-A East Peoria. You can also visit their website today at https://www.chick-fil-a.com/locations/il/east-peoria. If you've been with us long, you know this podcast is only one piece of our nonprofit, which is the Savvy Sauce Charities. Don't miss out on our other resources. We have questions and content to inspire you to have your own practical chats for intentional living. And I also hope you don't miss out on the opportunity to financially support us through your tax-deductible donations. All this information can be found on our recently updated website, thesavvysauce.com. Jon and Jolene Rocke are my local friends and my guests for today. They work side by side at Peoria Rescue Ministries, and they have so many lovely gifts of leadership and hospitality and teaching. But the topic we're going to focus on today is marriage. From the first time we met, Mark and I adored them so much and really appreciated their sweet bond with one another. And I'm so thrilled to get to introduce you to them today. Here's our chat. Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, Jon and Jolene. Jon Rocke: (2:05 - 2:06) We're so happy to be here, Laura. Thanks so much for having us. Laura Dugger: (2:07 - 2:43) Well, it's truly my pleasure. And will the two of you just start by giving us a little background on how you came to know Christ as your personal Lord and Savior? Jolene Rocke: (2:07 - 2:43) Yeah, I grew up in the Chicago area in a suburb and in a Christian home. So, I was very thankful to know about God. And I came to know Him as my personal Savior at 15. And so, then I really had a complete change. And from then on, I have just followed Him as close as I can. So very thankful for Jesus. Jon Rocke: (2:44 - 2:59) Yeah, and I was actually 15 as well. Became overwhelmed with my sin at 15 and knew that I did not know Christ. And so, since then, a very imperfect following, but glad to be part of the family. Laura Dugger: (3:00 - 3:15) Well, and that's awesome that both of you were 15 and never knew that piece of your story. But I'm assuming you were living in different places. So then how did the two of you meet and fall in love? Jolene Rocke: (3:15 - 4:40) That is such a funny story. Because I, along with a friend of mine from Elgin, jumped on a Morton bus going to Morris, Minnesota. And they picked us up in Rockford. And we got on the bus, went to the same youth gathering for our church denomination. And on the way home from that weekend, we sat on the bus the whole way home and talked. And Jon had what was so interesting to me, a study Bible. And I had never seen a study Bible in my life. And so, he showed me what an open Bible was with notes at the bottom. And because I came to Christ at 15 and started Bible study on my own with just a spiral notebook, a pen, and my Bible, I was fascinated by this Bible. And I heard from Morton girls that he carried his Bible everywhere. So, he was kind of different than the rest of the guys. And I told them that's the kind of guy I was looking for. And then to top it all off, he had a guitar. And he sang John Denver songs to me. So, Sunshine on My Shoulders, I think, really made me happy. Laura Dugger: (4:40 - 4:45) Just knowing your family music is such a big part of worship. Yeah. That's part of what wooed you, too. Jon Rocke: (4:40 - 5:35) Yeah. Part of the crazy story is that it's a long trip. It's like a 12-hour trip. And so, we left Morton at like 5 in the morning. And so, I'm sleeping on the floor. And we picked these girls up. And I wake up, and I'm like, “Oh, an angel just got on the bus.” That's what I thought. And she was like, she didn't really have anything to do with me the whole weekend till the way home. But we have a lot of fun with that story. And so that was the beginning. I think I sent flowers the next day. And we began, actually, a very long-distance, over-the-phone relationship, getting to know each other. And we actually went through, I think, the Book of Romans together over the course of, I guess, a year. And then got married. And we were pretty young. Jolene Rocke: (5:36 - 6:47) Yeah. We met when Jon was just 16. And then two weeks after his 18th birthday, we got married. And I'm a year older. So, it was very young. But we are so thankful because we're going to celebrate 44 years of marriage here. So, God knit us together, I think, through the fact that we were both really pursuing the Lord individually. And then we were so happy to find somebody like that. I thought I was headed to be a missionary in Africa at the time I met him. And he was, like, searching, too. But both all out pursuit of Christ. And so, I think that's what knit our hearts together. And it didn't hurt that he sent flowers the next day. Laura Dugger: (6:47 - 7:15) It was a wise move. But I love it because the two of you have really grown up together. Totally. You've been meeting as teens. When you reflect back, what are you so thankful that you did in every season of marriage, from newlyweds to now empty nesters, that you're getting to see the payoff now in the present? Jon Rocke: (6:49 - 8:10) Yeah, I think sometimes you are intentional. And we've tried to be intentional. But I think sometimes God brings circumstances into your life that sort of force something. So not only were we young when we got married, but nine months after we got married, yeah, we had Janelle, our oldest daughter. And so, we had to realize we still needed time together. And we had a little baby. It began, I think, an intentional course for us to carve out time. So, you know, we put our kids to bed early. It was a big deal for us as parents that we had our time after they went to bed because we didn't get a whole lot of time. And other little silly things, the kids didn't get to sit in between us at church. That was the rule. You can sit on either side of mom and dad, but you can't sit in between us. And so that was just, you know, again, a little thing that we did. And some things we had to learn. I'm more of a night person. Jolene's more of a morning person. Part of that, we had to learn at one point, you know, let's make sure we prioritize going to bed together. Just so, again, we had that time. So, there's been all sorts of different steps along the way that we've tried to prioritize each other. Jolene Rocke: (8:10 - 9:01) So the two words that come to my mind with regard to that are compromise. You're two different people, and you're suddenly thrust together into a home situation. Well, that took compromise on both of our parts. So that's kind of sacrifice, too. That means he doesn't get to stay up until midnight if we want to go to bed together, and I'm going to have to push myself to stay up later just so that we can make a common bedtime. So, compromise, and then I think the other major thing to me would be communication, because we didn't have a relationship before marriage where we were in the same town and could see each other all the time or go on dates. We didn't have that. So, we had letter writing. This is 43 years ago. So, we had letter writing daily. Jon Rocke: (9:02 - 9:04) Some of us were daily. He was daily. Jolene Rocke: (9:05 - 9:11) I wasn't quite as good at letter writing every day, but I was in college by now. Jon Rocke: (9:11 - 9:13) You were still in high school. Now we know. Jolene Rocke: (9:14 - 10:15) But I think the communication factor, that actually helped us because, yes, I realize face-to-face dating is a great thing, but to not be able to do that and have nothing but be able to write your day out, what happened during your day, you're learning to tell the other person what happened in your day, how you felt about that, what your dreams, your goals are. So, it started, to me and us, I think a great foundation of communication. Laura Dugger: (10:15 - 10:30) And is it Song of Songs, I believe, 5:16, where part of it says, “This is my lover, this is my friend,” and that's what I'm hearing, is that you were really deepening your friendship in those early years and that from witnessing your lives, it seems that has only continued. Jolene Rocke: (10:30 - 10:35) Yeah, exactly. We are so thankful. It's a very different story than most people, but we're so thankful. Jon Rocke: (10:16 - 10:39) I think also, for us, it was Genesis 2 in the sense that you need to leave everything else and cleave together. We were young. It's hard to believe. When we look back, we think about our kids and our grandkids and would we want that for them, and yet I don't think we'd trade it for the world. Laura Dugger: (10:40 - 10:52) I love that. And what encouragement do you have for others then who are also wanting to build a foundation of remaining connected and intimate in all the aspects of their own marriage? Jon Rocke: (10:53 - 12:07) That's one of those things about being intentional. Matthew 19:6, where Christ repeats that adage from Genesis 2, that God created them male and female, they need to leave mother and father and cleave together, but then he adds this, “and no one should tear that apart.” And we often think about that, I think, as other people tearing that apart, and that's true. But the same goes, we can tear ourselves apart if we're not going to make sure everything else, all other distractions, because they're going to continually come, right? And again, we had kids so early that I think we knew we had to carve that time out, because if we wouldn't have, I'm not sure how that would have worked. We would have been so consumed early. But career, we've just known that we've had to say, if we don't make sure that we're the priority, it's so easy to get lost in all the other things of life that are not bad. Kids are not bad, they're great. And your careers and your work, that's all good. But it can be the enemy of great in a marriage. Jolene Rocke: (12:07 - 12:32) Yeah, we talked about the fact that this is how we started all those years ago. But a pursuit of God individually actually enhances a pursuit of God together. I'm still in the Word individually. Jon's still in the Word individually. But we also then read and pray together every night. So just this pursuit of God. Jon Rocke: (12:32 - 13:06) But that wasn't something we did from day one either. I mean, that was a learned scenario where one time we were just kind of convicted of the fact that together we're not taking time to pray and read together. And so, then we just made that part of routine at night. So then again, that made us say we're going to go to bed together. Because if we didn't, then we didn't have that time. That opportunity to pray together and read together has just become a connection point that we wouldn't want to trade. Laura Dugger: (13:07 - 13:55) I think that's encouraging in so many ways because you've grown into this. And I think for anyone just starting out, it's so helpful to see you didn't let excuses get in the way. It reminds me of a supervisor in college who said, “If you want something done, give it to a busy person.” And I think in a unique way with you two being launched into parenthood nine months after you were married, you didn't have the luxury of being frivolous with your time. And you chose intentionality. And it seems like God really has blessed that and honored it. Jolene Rocke: (13:55 - 14:05) Yeah and continued it to this day. You're very right. We continue to be busy. And that's still the struggle to combat that with intentional time together. So definitely. Jon Rocke: (13:55 - 14:31) You talk about seasons in our lives. So, I had to have a hip replacement. So, from like 23 till I had that at 50, I couldn't take long walks. But now we get to walk together, which is a huge privilege. And so, I always think about it. I'm not into exercise to exercise, but I'm into being together. And exercise is a thing we can do together. The other thing we did in our, I guess it was on our 25th. We got a tandem bike. And we love doing our tandem bike. Jolene Rocke: (14:31 - 16:21) But he wanted a tandem bike right when we got married. And I kept saying, no, I didn't really want to sit on the back and have no control. And not be able to see when I thought I should break or when I wanted to turn. So, this is something that I often encourage women that are moving into the emptiness season of life. I was driving to church alone. And the Lord really impressed on me that the extreme lavish amount of love that as a homemaker I gave to my children who were now gone, I needed to transfer that to my husband. I've always loved Jon first and best. But I needed to take even the time commitment. What could I do to show Jon I loved him lavishly the way I tried to my children? So that was a time thing for me. And it was like get a tandem bike. So, I was willing then to get the tandem and sit in the back. And you really do; you're called the stoker. You really do work in the back. You don't just sit there. You work. But I no longer had the control of that. And I am learning to see butterflies land on corn stalks. And I actually love our tandem bike. But God had to grow me. And that was part of my several gifts to him in emptiness period that has helped us keep a strong marriage, I think. Laura Dugger: (16:21 - 16:30) And isn't that interesting how there's a gift in it for you? Like you offer this sacrifice and yet he's teaching you new things. Jon Rocke: (16:21 - 16:22) I love it, yeah. Laura Dugger: (16:23 - 16:45) What would you two say is the biggest personality difference that you've recognized in your own marriage? Jolene Rocke: (16:45 - 17:22) We just had a personality test yesterday. We have an executive team leadership at Peoria Rescue Ministries, and we had to do personality tests again. And that always is quite glaring to see how different we are. So, we're on two ends of the spectrum. But we can encourage any marriage that that can work and actually maybe be in your favor as long as you work hard at it. So, it just takes work and communication to say, you're very logical thinking, I'm very emotional, so how do we come together then in situations where I'm flustered and he's calm because he at times looks as if you don't care. Jon Rocke: (17:22 - 17:53) Right, yeah, it can be that. You're highly relational. I'm definitely more process. And I think you're going to learn quickly, especially if you have kids, that all your kids are going to have different personalities. That's the weirdest thing, right? They all grew up in the same home and they're all just completely different. And so being able to help them understand kind of a little bit who they are and how that works has been a good thing that we're not the same. Jolene Rocke: (17:53 - 20:01) God didn't make one good and one bad. He made all of us different, all in His image, to His glory. We all bring value to the family, and we both bring value to one another as helpmates because I'm able to sharpen Jon in areas that are blind spots for him. He's able to totally sharpen me and calm me in blind spots that are mine. So, I think in a marriage, it's just actually, it's been helpful. Differences are good. Laura Dugger: (20:01 - 20:25) Oh, I love that. Differences are good. It sounds like God sanctified even your views of that. And so, getting really practical, when was a time when your differences were working against each other or caused conflict? And then how, through maturing and more time together, how do you celebrate and even lean into and appreciate those differences? Jolene Rocke: (20:25 - 21:00) Well, one thing for sure is we had what we call our valley, where we learned that Psalm 23 wasn't just a funeral psalm, but it's a life psalm, and it's a way of life psalm. So, at that time, I had three family members pass away, and Jon had his family business go down. So, we watched our personalities within that in handling loss and grief. So, here's the optimist really down, and here's realist trying to be cheerleader and be up. And so actually God did it, and we know without a doubt that God can work beyond personalities and bring you to a point where you can actually support one another well. But there again, it's got to be intentional. It's got to be me saying, we need to sit down now and have a meeting, talk about how you're feeling, whether you want to talk about feelings or not, because I need to know where you're at so that I can help you best. Jon Rocke: (20:01 - 21:20) Yeah, and on a practical level during that time, I found myself not communicating some of what I thought was either scary or just the long drag of it. And so that was a potential way for us to disconnect because all of this is swirling from at least our livelihood standpoint, swirling in my head, and I'm not going to want to share that. And yet we realized we had to, but then those are not always easy things because Jolene, like most ladies, likes security as an important thing, right? Of just knowing what's going to happen. In the end, it did make us really, again, Joe mentioned Psalm 23, and if he is our shepherd, what else could we want? We both had to end up clinging to that because our security was gone. Part of our sense of who we were, and particularly me in a family business for three generations, was gone. And so, we certainly had to make sure that our tendencies, like in communication, those kinds of things, we had to work through those during that time. Laura Dugger: (21:21 - 21:30) Thank you for sharing that. I think that's very relatable to hear about the ups and the downs. And so, do you have any specific stories of a time when you were both in your strengths, and even though they were very different, they worked well together? Jolene Rocke: (21:30 - 23:12) Yeah, I think that it's the learning what your strengths are that you may not know that God gives you at the time, and that's his grace. So, at the time, for all those years previous to the valley, Jon was the one that pushed me to communicate, and shutting down was not an option, which is what I wanted to do. So, I'd rather just not talk about it and go to bed. And he would push, push, push me to keep communicating, and that we would work through everything before the sun went down, as the Bible says. Well, in the valley, it was Jon that was shutting down. And suddenly, you know, I had to be the one to push communication. So, this is something I heard on a sermon. A personality is not an excuse for sin. So that just means that I can't say, well, I'm not comfortable in conflict, so I'm not going to communicate and I'm going to shut down. No, you need to push yourself, ask the Lord for help, and go as his helpmate and say, you have to talk about it, you have to tell me, how are you doing? How are you feeling? So, I feel like it's just, it was such a beautiful valley when we look back now. Laura Dugger: (23:12 - 23:25) Another previous guest had said she noticed when she was in the valley, that's when you're closest to the living water. Jon Rocke: (23:13 - 24:41) Oh, absolutely. For sure. That's how creeks run, through valleys. Yeah. And I think our parenting, it was helpful for us to have both sides of our personality in parenting because I think we could address situations with our kids from different viewpoints and different ways to think about things, and those were helpful things as well. But we also, during all sorts of the periods of time in our marriage, we had some little things that just reminded us. We had little words. So one was, you know, “we need to swim back.” So, you can often find yourself, because of a season of time or a season with your kids or whatever on the different islands, and we would just say, we got to swim back. And so that was one of our things that we did. And then we also had a, if we went too long, we just realized we weren't intentional about our intimacy of any kind. It was just basically, “Hey, you didn't kiss me today.” And we used to make that, “No, you didn't kiss me today.” And it was just a thing we tried to do to make sure that we had these little things that just kept us reminded. And so, they were really, they were kind of practical, just little code words for us that made a difference and got our minds back to where it needed to be. Jolene Rocke: (24:41 - 24:50) Yeah, and in the busyness, that's easy to remember those little swing thoughts. Laura Dugger: (24:50 - 30:17) Swim back. And now a brief message from our sponsor. Did you know you can go to college tuition free just by being a team member at Chick-fil-A East Peoria? Yes, you heard that right. Free college education. All Chick-fil-A East Peoria team members in good standing are immediately eligible for a free college education through Point University. Point University is a fully accredited private Christian college located in West Point, Georgia. 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We ask that you also will share by sharing financially, sharing the Savvy Sauce podcast episodes, and sharing a five-star rating and review. You can also share any of our social media posts on Instagram or Facebook. We are grateful for all of it and we just love partnering together with you. Now, back to the show. What encouragement do you have for healthy communication and healthy conflict resolution in marriage? Jon Rocke: (30:19 - 31:31) God's grace. It's going to have to take time. You have to find that time together. So, I think it's all about prioritizing that time. I don't necessarily like conflict, but I know in our marriage you can't avoid it. And so, we just had to work through it right away. And so, I would say don't let time simmer conflict because that usually never makes it better. Certainly, there's a sense of if there's something that's really emotional and maybe you need some space. My problem is I often don't give Jolene that space and that's hard on her, it really is, and sometimes not fair. But in the same vein, for me it felt like I didn't care if I just said, “Well, go ahead and be angry or be whatever or be upset about this or just let's not deal with it.” And she was gracious in pressing in and doing that. But I think don't let time go, just deal with it. Jolene Rocke: (31:32 - 33:26) And two, the encouragement I think of is that Jon and I tell each other everything, every little thing. And we are very aware of couples that don't. And when Jon was holding back for me in that valley time, I really noticed it and I felt pretty alone. So, if you're always telling each other everything, there should be no secrets. So that just means there might be conflict then. If you're going to tell each other everything, then there might be conflict and you need to be prepared for that. But that's better than me not saying anything. I sometimes say it's like a teapot, you're simmering or you're spouting. What's the perfect in the middle balance? It's really important to not simmer because you will spout eventually and then that's a harder conflict than if you just kept talking, kept telling every little thing. And so, we do tell each other every little thing. Laura Dugger: (33:26 - 33:40) Well, and to go with that metaphor, if you have a release valve where that hot air can escape, it sounds like your communication has been that where you can get the water temperature back to a healthy place in the relationship. Jolene Rocke: (33:40 - 33:55) Yeah, yes. And that takes work. So, I mean, honestly, what encouragement? Don't give up. Just keep going because it's worth it. Laura Dugger: (33:55 - 34:10) Well, and I'm thinking back. Okay, so you had three kids. They're somewhat close together and you were young. So those years when all of your children were in the home, even elementary school age, that timeframe, what did that look like for communication? How did you still make sure you connected every day? Jon Rocke: (33:26 - 34:31) Well, then throw in, we went to college after we had kids, which was actually, again, just God's grace and gift to us that we were able to leave town, leave the family business for a while, didn't think we were going to be involved in family business, went out to Indiana, went to school, and we didn't have anybody else but ourselves. And so that, again, was just his gift to us as young. We went in 1980, so that was two years after we were married. So, we already had Janelle at that point, and then Jamie came along soon after. And so, I had school but had to work to support. Jolene had to work and she was mom to two little ones. And so, again, I think it was just those times of making sure that we said nothing else can get in the way of us. Again, another phrase that we just had was, you know, we can get through anything together and nothing apart. Jolene Rocke: (34:32 - 35:21) And that's not a flippant statement for us. That means we're trying and we're going to find the intentional time, put them to bed early, and make sure on weekends we're connecting well. And that meant sometimes driving with our kids. We'd go on drives. But that's Jon and I being able to talk. And then if they're goofing off in the back seat, it's okay. It's just fine because we actually are having talk time. Drive time has always been great communication time for us. Laura Dugger: (35:21 - 35:35) That's really helpful, I think, for parents in any season. And you're talking about God's grace. So how has grace, and even forgiveness, benefited your relationship? Jolene Rocke: (35:35 - 35:40) It's everything to our relationship. Jon Rocke: (35:22 - 37:12) It's the only thing in everything. The parable of the unjust steward in Matthew 18 and just this idea that if you catch the enormity of your sin, then you can forgive others. And so that has been, I think, an important part of what we do because I love that whole story. Peter is asking that question, “How many times do I have to forgive somebody?” And if you think about a marriage context, well, that's a great question because my guess is it's going to be thousands upon thousands of times for whatever little or big things they are. And he's kind of like loading up. I feel that he's getting ready to say, “I've already forgiven this person six times. So, is it seven? And then after that, there's no more?” And the whole point of that is, oh, you really want to keep numbers, Peter? Here's the numbers. You've been forgiven zillions. And so, what's the little trifle amount that you're not going to forgive? And so, I'm thankful that Jolene is gracious because she's had to forgive me and continues to. We're still learning in a new season of life where now we get to work together, which to me is a really great joy. But it's also a different reality where we have a lot of work talk. Well, that's great. And we love that. But that can't dominate everything either. And so that's another one of those things that we have to figure out how to carve out our time away from work. Even though we enjoy working together and it's really fun, it's a new thing. That can't get in the way of us either. Jolene Rocke: (37:13 - 40:14) There's got to be grace on both parts that now as I look at him as a boss also. And my husband, you know, I need to give a lot of grace to realize he's working within a momentum around a team and a leadership. But then as he comes home, and I'm very fully aware now of what a hat change that means for a man. That means that he's taking off his hat now and becoming my husband at home. And so, it's grace on both sides as he sees me working even under him or with him as a team. But it's a lot of grace and forgiveness over the years because in the early years as you're raising children, there might be unmet expectations is something I wrote down because I feel like as I think back to this pursuer of God and who I married and I remember those early years thinking, well, wow, he's not leading in devotions in the family. And I'm kind of struggling to find, I need to, as the mom then, pick that up and make sure we're doing with the children some family devotions. Well, that can create controversy. It can be that I would be upset, but I needed to forgive him for the fact that he didn't mean to do that and abdicate that responsibility. He just didn't know. And so, there's so much about being graceful as a wife to say, okay, I understand. That wasn't maybe how you were raised, or you didn't see that modeled in the home. But this is what I would desire for our family. And so, you just keep working and you keep forgiving because we've been forgiven so much, as Jon said. So, we know that. And I think the other key thing then with forgiveness becomes no record keeping, just as love is in 1 Corinthians 13. It doesn't keep the record of wrongs. I don't need to sit around with my time and in my brain and think about how much I've forgiven Jon. I need to think about the fact that God's forgiven so much in me, and he has to forgive me all the time. So, you're on this equal footing with forgiveness rather than trying to harbor a record of wrongs. Laura Dugger: (40:14 - 40:40) Well, and I think you bring up examples for how it works in our families as well with children. And so, it's clear you two have such a solid marriage and you also have a thriving relationship with your adult children and your grandchildren and all their families. So, I think you just have a lot that you could teach us about raising a family as well. What are you so thankful that you did when your kids were living at home that you're now getting to see the payoff as they're adults? Jon Rocke: (40:16 - 41:43) We literally grew up with our kids. So sorry for our kids that they had to, you know, grow up with their mom and dad. But that's been a lot of fun too because we did a lot of play. Again, these are just little things for us, these little words. So, as the kids were young, we used to, something that bothered them is I would tell them pretty plainly that I love mom most. And so, kids will always try to drive a wedge between mom and dad. That's just part of the fallen nature of kids. And so, we really communicated early. Our kids will tell you that was a hard lesson for them to learn that they didn't quite understand at that age, right? But they've really come to appreciate that in their own marriages. And then the other thing that we said was we choose you second. So, they knew we choose each other first because you're going to be gone someday and mom's not. And so, but we will always choose you second. So, friends were not a higher priority or social or hobby or anything. You know, the kids were always knew they were second. And so our kids are scattered all across, although we have Jamie and Jonathan here, one family here in Morton that we love to live life with. The others are gone, but I think we're still close in a lot of ways from that. Jolene Rocke: (41:45 - 45:27) Yeah, I think we're a close family because we have stuck together through not just the ups, but the downs, but we're fun loving. Jon and I like games. We like to do stuff, and we like to go places. We prioritized vacation when they were little so that we were all together in an intentional environment that was away from home. And so, we were together, they enjoyed going to Florida every year and it was always what we called just happenstances that were so adverse. It wasn't your ideal. And so, we did not have ideal things happen on any trip, actually, that we go on. So, what we decided to call them is adventures. So, we intentionally took adverse situations, whether that's a flat tire, going to Florida with all the kids and it's the middle of the night and we're all sitting at a gas station on the curb waiting for the next tire to get fixed. It's just, we just always called them adventures and I'm not sorry for that. That's something our kids are passing on to their kids when things happen. Our son in particular, Jordan, his family seems to have a lot of adventures, like Jon and I have had. And that's what they call them to their children. So, I'm not sorry for the word adventure. Jon taught me a saying that he used to say, you love your children, even if you don't like them or you will lose them. And that was really important in the teenage years. When one of our children was struggling in junior high, I knew even if I didn't like the way this one was acting, I needed to just keep loving them as scripture says, right? Not if they're perfect, but all the time. And so, we didn't lose her through that time, I think because there was so much intentional loving beyond the liking. The other thing that I would just mention with that to encourage any, any mom or dad, I picked up the book, The Five Love Languages by Gary Chapman and had this daughter read it with me so that we can learn, how do we love each other? Well, through this time when it feels like we don't really like each other that well. So, well, wow. I had no idea. It was physical touch for you. And I, I thought it was the acts of service. And you would notice that I picked up your room because I knew you had a hard day in a test at school. Well, there was never any knowledge or awareness that I did that for her. But whenever I put my arms around her and gave her a giant hug and wouldn't let her go until she melted in my arms, I realized, yes, that's what she, that's how I can love her best. Laura Dugger: (45:27 - 45:50) That is awesome to hear that story. It is helpful to have actionable things that we can replicate. And so, I am going to link in the show notes to a few of our episodes that may be beneficial. If people want to take that concept a step further, Dr. Gary Chapman has been a previous guest. I'll link to those. And then also Katie Mueller talked about traveling with your family and the lessons that the Lord teaches his children about traveling in the Bible and how that applies to us. That's great. So, if you're willing, will you share anything more about the honeymoon? I'm so curious now. Jon Rocke: (45:27 - 46:35) We will. I feel like we're taking too much time here. Jolene Rocke: (46:35 - 46:36) I don't know, but well, we knew that this was setting the tone for marriage as far as adventures. Jon Rocke: (46:36 - 46:37) But well, the very first off we, we got on a plane. So, we got married on a Sunday and we were flying out down to Florida on Sunday night. We got to Atlanta where we were supposed to connect to another plane. We were supposed to go to Fort Myers, Florida and there had been a storm and, and they were rushing to get us on the right flights or to get us to the next flight. And they put us on the wrong plane. You know, this was back in the day where that could happen. Couldn't happen today, but put us on the wrong plane. We ended up in Melbourne, Florida at midnight last flight of the night. You know, we're newlyweds. We're supposed to be, you know, on our honeymoon. They put us up at a Holiday Inn Express with the crew and said, you know, we'll get you out a flight. You have to be up at 4 a.m. And so, you know, I was, our first night was not necessarily what you would, you know, call the most romantic night that we could have. And then do you want to tell the second story of our honeymoon? Jolene Rocke: (46:36 - 46:37) The canoe trip. Jon Rocke: (46:37 - 46:37) Yeah. Jolene Rocke: (46:37 - 47:28) The canoe trip is, I have such bad allergies to many things. And so, Jon knew that because we tried to go horseback riding and I thought I'd be okay because it was outdoors, but the dander on the horse made me just blow up into a big ball on my face. And so, he realized how much I have a problem with allergies, but we decided to go canoeing in a very narrow mangrove swamp. That was really depleted in, in its depth that day. And so, we were canoeing along, but we, we got into the side of the mangrove trees and out came a Hornets, Hornets out of this giant nest and stung me all over my back. Jon Rocke: (47:28 - 47:50) And so Jon went into, I'm like thinking that my six day, you know, marriage is over. My wife, who's so allergic, we're half hour out on our journey and I'm, she's like going to die on the spot. Cause I figured if she's so allergic to animals, then this many, you know, bee stings or wasp stings, she's, you know, she's dead. Jolene Rocke: (47:52 - 48:12) So he jumps, jumps out. Yeah. First, the truth is he took my top off and started taking mud from the bottom of the creek and, just plasters me with mud on my back. And then he jumps out of the canoe and starts running the, the canoe. Cause it was pretty shallow. Jon Rocke: (48:12 - 48:31) I decided it was going to be quicker to get her back in time. I figured I had about 30 minutes, you know, to, to try to get her to some medical attention. And so, yeah, so I'm running the canoe back instead of paddling it. Cause I knew I could get faster. Well, then I cut my foot on a shoal and we're a mess. Jolene Rocke: (48:31 - 48:37) I mean, he had it. What? Like six-inch stitches. So, we ended up in the ER here. Jon Rocke: (48:37 - 48:38) Yeah. Jolene Rocke: (48:38 - 48:52) Both of us with me, with stings, Jon, with a cut. And, and that was just the start of the honeymoon that we called a giant adventure adventure since it wasn't great. Jon Rocke: (48:52 - 48:55) It's been a 44-year adventure. Laura Dugger: (48:55 - 49:15) You did start with quite the adventure. I love that. And I think the husbands' listening will appreciate, of course you took their top off first. Jon Rocke: (49:03 - 49:04) That's right. Jolene Rocke: (49:05 - 49:07) It was a little embarrassing. Jon Rocke: (49:08 - 49:10) It was a good thing. Nobody else. Jolene Rocke: (49:10 - 49:15) Nobody else. Laura Dugger: (49:15 - 49:25) Sorry. I had to tease on that part, but through various seasons, how did you prioritize one another above your kids, your career and your own families of origin? Jon Rocke: (49:25 - 50:35) We just knew we had to have time. So, a couple of things. I mean, we had a fortunate built in mechanism too, to take trips together. So, within our family business, we had conferences and such that we had to attend. And so, we made that a priority that we were going to do those together. I wasn't going to just go by myself. And so, a couple of times a year, and now that we're working together, it can feel like life blurs between everything. So, while we're at home, we're still talking about work and we're still dealing with ministry. And the other thing is with our kids away, a lot of our trip time is spent with our kids. So, we have to make that, that's gotta be a priority, but we realized we still need just our time away. and when we got, we went down to Florida and we just said, okay, no work talk for these five days, you know, no work talk. And it was pretty fun because most of the time Jolene broke that rule. And I would say, wait a minute, no work talk. Jolene Rocke: (50:36 - 50:36) It's true. Jon Rocke: (50:37 - 51:09) It's very true. But those, so trips were a big thing for us, and they don't have to be a big deal trip, but a weekend away to break the routine. You know, the example of that was, that's why God created festivals and holidays were to break routine and to have a stop in our everyday lives. And so, he knew we needed that to reconnect with him. Well, we know we need that in our marriages is to break the routine. Jolene Rocke: (51:10 - 52:17) Very intentionally. Jon was wise enough to know we needed that as even as young as he was. Can you imagine the volumes of love that that spoke to me, that he wanted me to go with him on the trips. So that meant so much to me. And it still does today because he always wants me to go with him. And then I, I just have over the years, like when the kids were at home, that was days of rest for me when he was in meetings. But as I started growing too, as a person and not needing as much rest, I also would go into all the meetings because I liked the learning. But even as we went through college, like I just was always a part of the learning. And, and I liked that, but Jon included me. That said a lot to me. Laura Dugger: (52:18 - 52:25) And I love your companionship, how you prioritize that. What advice do you have for all of us married couples as we seek to grow as one rather than start to grow parallel or even worse, start to grow apart from one another? Jon Rocke: (52:18 - 52:47) Yeah, I think find things to do together. That's part of how even the biking, the tandem thing came about. Cause if we went out on bikes on our individual bikes, then I'm like, I'm wanting to run ahead. Well, you know, and then, and she's like, you know, you're not getting very much exercise or whatever the case may be. But then on a tandem, we could accomplish everything together. And so, finding some of those things. Jolene Rocke: (52:47 - 54:56) So there's seasons of time when you're raising your children, like that, Jon was biking by himself and with some other men in a fast pace for extreme exercise. And I was doing my thing. And so, I'm not saying that hobbies apart from one another are negative, but for us, they've been mostly together. And so that just means that even there was a period that yes, Jon would go out golfing, not in excess, but when our kids were around and little, I think I was communicating even in that, that you don't just go off golfing every Saturday and leave your wife with the kids on a Saturday because you now that's your day off work. No, it's, we never get a day off work. So, you need to kick in at home too. So, there was this balance, I think is a really good word for how do you, how do you do like even individual hobbies and exercise even, but then mostly we're always trying to figure out how we can do things together. So, taking a back seat, literally on a tandem bike and knowing that that was going to help our marriage to be together. I also said recently now in a decade ago, I will learn how to golf. And so that, that just meant, again, I have no, no interest that much in golfing. I thought I loved riding the car around and being outside, but now it's like, yes, I will learn to golf if that means that that's another hobby and a sport and an activity that we can do together. So, we started a Friday night golf time, just Jon and I, it's a date night of golf and Dairy Queen supper. We call it Dairy Queen supper because we just don't eat supper, but we eat Dairy Queen after we go. So there again, there's just like, what are, what can we do together? And we're still doing date nights because it's just, we actually are really good friends still. Jon Rocke: (54:57 - 55:51) Well, I think like I say, every season has been different for us. There was a time where kids were intense and Joe was a phenomenal mom and, was totally engaged in that. And you're in your career phase too. And so, all those things are competing. Well, then we've come back in the last five years and now we work together. So that's a different whole different dynamic. And so that's why we needed, you know, yeah, we need a golf and Dairy Queen night because we just need to get away from the intensity of our work relationship, you know, and take that break on our tandems. We usually ride for breakfast. So, most things have to do with food. It's not about exercise. It's about how to eat. So that's kind of just part of what we do. Laura Dugger: (55:51 - 56:19) I love it though. That's an interest for all people. It's something that we have to do multiple times a day. Well, what do you want to leave us with? Whether it's a challenge or scripture, it can be anything, but how would you like to wind down our time together today? Jolene Rocke: (56:19 - 56:30) I'm going to just say to encourage everyone. Our marriage has taken compromise and it's taken communication and it pays off in the end. Jon Rocke: (56:19 - 57:11) You know, Ephesians 5 is really an important understanding that it's submitting to each other. The idea of wives submit to your husband, you're not catching the whole picture of that. If that's what your focus is, because it's husband loves you, love your wives as Christ loved the church. And so, and it starts the whole section off with submit to one another. And so, we have to be just intentional and committed. One of my favorite sayings is from Augustine, who says, when he was in prayer one time says to God, “Command what you will, but give what you command.” And so, when I think about our marriage, that's what grace is all about. Yes, it takes intentionality and commitment, but that only comes by his grace. Jolene Rocke: (57:11 - 57:55) And one other thing that I thought of is that we always taught our kids to remember whose they are. And that just means that if you do that within a marriage too, and you're remembering that you're the Lord's, you're made in his image, then you relate and you will love the other one better. Even as you know your identity in Christ first, you will love your mate better. Laura Dugger: (57:55 - 58:05) Amen. And you too may know we're called The Savvy Sauce because savvy is synonymous with practical knowledge. And so, as my final question for both of you today, what is your savvy sauce? Jon Rocke: (57:56 - 58:07) You know, I just say submission is a good thing. It's not associated that way, but in a marriage it's such a good thing. Jolene Rocke: (58:08 - 59:13) So that's both submitting to each other, not just the wife being clamped down. But our savvy sauce would be that sacrifice and submission are good things. They're not bad words. So, in our experience, a savvy sauce for our 44-year-old marriage is that sacrifice and submission have been very good things on both of our parts. Laura Dugger: (59:13 - 59:20) Well, you clearly live this out, and you've been great role models to Mark and to me and our family. You love one another with such an intensity, and you love your Lord that way, and you love your children that way in your community. And I just see the way that He's had this ripple out from being intentional in the most key important parts of life, and that He's really blessed you in that, but He's also blessed all of us around you. So, thank you for sharing your journey with us. Thank you so much for being my guest. Jolene Rocke: (59:20 - 59:22) It's been so great to be here with you. Thanks for asking, Laura. Jon Rocke: (59:13 - 59:27) Yeah, it's been a privilege for us just to take the time to reflect again and realize the challenges, but really just celebrate what God has done through His grace in us and our marriage. So, thanks. Laura Dugger: (59:27 - 1:03:10) One more thing before you go, have you heard the term gospel before? It simply means good news. And I want to share the best news with you, but it starts with the bad news. Every single one of us were born sinners, but Christ desires to rescue us from our sin, which is something we cannot do for ourselves. This means there's absolutely no chance we can make it to heaven on our own. So, for you and for me, it means we deserve death, and we can never pay back the sacrifice we owe to be saved. We need a savior, but God loved us so much. He made a way for his only son to willingly die in our place as the perfect substitute. This gives us hope of life forever in right relationship with him. That is good news. Jesus lived the perfect life. We could never live and died in our place for our sin. This was God's plan to make a way to reconcile with us so that God can look at us and see Jesus. We can be covered and justified through the work Jesus finished. If we choose to receive what he has done for us, Romans 10:9 says, “that if you confess with your mouth, Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” So, you pray with me now. Heavenly father, thank you for sending Jesus to take our place. I pray someone today right now is touched and chooses to turn their life over to you. Will you clearly guide them and help them take their next step in faith to declare you as Lord of their life? We trust you to work and change lives now for eternity. In Jesus name we pray. Amen. If you prayed that prayer, you are declaring him for me. So, me for him, you get the opportunity to live your life for him. And at this podcast, we're called The Savvy Sauce for a reason. We want to give you practical tools to implement the knowledge you have learned. So, you're ready to get started. First, tell someone, say it out loud, get a Bible. The first day I made this decision, my parents took me to Barnes and Noble and let me choose my own Bible. I selected the Quest NIV Bible and I love it. You can start by reading the book of John. Also get connected locally, which just means tell someone who's a part of a church in your community that you made a decision to follow Christ. I'm assuming they will be thrilled to talk with you about further steps such as going to church and getting connected to other believers to encourage you. We want to celebrate with you too. So, feel free to leave a comment for us here. If you did make a decision to follow Christ, we also have show notes included where you can read scripture that describes this process. And finally, be encouraged. Luke 15:10 says, “in the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” The heavens are praising with you for your decision today. And if you've already received this good news, I pray you have someone to share it with. You are loved and I look forward to meeting you here next time.
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A lot of business owners believe that hustling non-stop is the only path to success, and they justify neglecting their relationships in the name of providing. But the real lesson here is about service—putting family first, letting go of scarcity, and realizing that abundance isn't just about money, it's about love and connection. When you act from this place, everything else falls in line. Unlock a deep-dive conversation with Keith Kalfas as he explores the realities of being self-employed, running a small business, and maintaining healthy relationships. This episode is a must-listen for business owners, especially those balancing intense work schedules and marriage, seeking wisdom on navigating stress, work-life harmony, and the path to conscious leadership. In this Episode You will Discover: The real challenges of balancing business and personal relationships, especially for self-employed professionals in the service industry. Insights on how emotional cycles and communication patterns can impact long-term relationships. The importance of prioritizing family and connection, and how shifting your focus from work to loved ones can transform both home and business life. The power of shifting your mindset from scarcity to abundance, and how gratitude is the secret to happiness and success. Life lessons on letting go of drama, accepting responsibility for your own experience, and finding peace and fulfillment through self-awareness. "So it's kind of like if she really knows that you're there for her no matter what and you have her back, then she'll let you go out and be a workaholic...because she trusts you now." - Keith Kalfas Topics Covered: 00:00:00 - 00:01:16 — Introduction: Business-Life Balance Keith Kalfas goes live for the first time during the Untrapped Podcast, sharing the challenges of owning a service business while maintaining a marriage or serious relationship. He draws a stark contrast between entrepreneurship and the traditional 9-to-5 and previews the episode's focus on personal experience and relationship stress during the busy summer months. 00:01:17 - 00:02:37 — The Stressful Summer Rush Keith highlights the overwhelming nature of June for landscaping/lawn care businesses, describing how personal matters take a back seat. He cautions that relationship tensions can peak during periods when business consumes all attention and urges mindfulness of time spent with loved ones. 00:02:38 - 00:04:33 — The Personal Toll: Real-Life Stories Through candid personal stories, Keith Kalfas describes heartbreaking episodes of marital conflict stemming from his workaholic habits, culminating in threats of divorce. His wife's demand for attention reveals a universal tension in entrepreneur relationships: the struggle to assure loved ones that they come first. 00:04:34 - 00:06:37 — Emotional Needs & Priorities Keith breaks down the emotional dynamics that fuel domestic disputes, explaining why partners may provoke arguments to validate their importance. He advocates putting God, family, and relationships before business for long-term sustainability and trust. 00:06:38 - 00:08:37 — App Solutions & Relationship Wisdom Quick tips on service business software: Housecall Pro and its benefits for efficiency. Keith weaves in profound relationship advice, referencing books like "The Way of the Superior Man," "Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus," and "The Five Love Languages," describing levels of masculinity and conscious partnership. 00:08:38 - 00:12:51 — Stages of Relationships & Authentic Masculinity Discover how ego, roles, and shell personalities can sabotage intimacy. Keith outlines the "dance" of masculine/feminine energy, describing the destructive cycle of resentment and the importance of emotional bank accounts, boundaries, and building trust through integrity. 00:12:52 - 00:17:29 — Conscious Love & Self-Work Keith emphasizes that true connection takes years of conscious effort—a process of healing childhood wounds, servant leadership, and ego death. He guides listeners through the path of becoming a statesman, capable of leading self, family, and business. 00:17:30 - 00:20:38 — Spiritual Growth & Relationship Commitment The spiral of self-love, forgiveness, and enlightenment is discussed. Keith warns about the evolving polarities between partners and attests to the power of long-term commitment for personal and professional growth. He stresses that anything not rooted in "Truth" will eventually dissolve. 00:20:39 - 00:22:02 — The Dark Night of the Soul Listeners learn the role of profound suffering—from physical illness to loss—in forcing consciousness evolution. Keith details the stages of trauma and the transformative effect of moving into gratitude. 00:22:03 - 00:24:07 — The Secret of Gratitude How gratitude transforms suffering and life circumstances, referencing Dr. David Hawkins' "Power vs. Force." He contrasts low vibrational states of shame and blame with the liberating power of acceptance and thankfulness. 00:24:08 - 00:26:56 — Radical Ownership & Change Entrepreneurs are challenged to accept responsibility for their relational realities and family dramas. Keith uses pop culture and biblical references to argue for unconditional commitment and the wisdom of letting go of material attachments. 00:26:57 - 00:30:38 — Real-Life Implementation: Habits & Mindset Keith shares his journey of implementing a weekly date night despite enormous resistance and stress. He highlights how small shifts in prioritizing relationships over perpetual work lead to breakthroughs in happiness and abundance. 00:32:36 - 00:36:27 — Mindset Shift: Creating Your Reality A powerful segment on the physics of perception and energy; Keith summarizes how your mindset and beliefs actively shape marriage, business, and life outcomes. He urges listeners to shift from drama and suffering to active gratitude and peace. 00:36:28 - 00:40:02 — Handling Problems & Breaking Drama Cycles Keith challenges listeners to step up and handle problems with maturity. He narrates a recent business mishap that caused anxiety and how connection, presence, and solutions are the antidotes to suffering. Key Takeaways Balancing Business and Home Life - Being self-employed, especially in a seasonal business like landscaping or window cleaning, blurs the lines between work and personal life, often leading to stress in relationships. Unlike a traditional 9-to-5, business owners frequently bring work home, resulting in continuous pressure and less quality time with loved ones. Impact on Relationships - Intense work periods can strain marriages or partnerships due to lack of attention, leading to feelings of neglect and frequent arguments. Communication and reassurance are critical; your partner wants to feel prioritized and secure, knowing that they come first even as you pursue business goals. Self-Work & Leadership Lasting change starts with inner work: healing past wounds, forgiving yourself and others, and evolving toward conscious leadership. Leading yourself well is foundational before you can successfully lead a family, business, or community. Connect with Keith Kalfas: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/keithkalfas/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thelandscapingemployeetrap Website: https://www.keithkalfas.com/resources Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@keith-kalfas Resource Links Jobber CRM Free Trial: getjobber.com/kalfas. Footbridge Media for Contractors: footbridgemedia.com/Keith Untrapped Alliance Application: keithkalfas.com/alliance Written and Edited by: Ma. Teresa Catangay-Bardinas
Two blokes having a conversation on a podcast about how they individually give and get love. What makes them feel loved, appreciated and deeply connected. And more broadly, how the intended love that we’re sending someone’s way, doesn’t always have the desired effect because quite often, the receiver doesn’t experience love in the way that the giver does. For example, my attempt to be compassionate and loving towards someone who’s going through a challenge could be ‘received’ as unwanted prying - not loving at all. A fascinating topic, drawing inspiration from “The Five Love Languages” by Gary Chapman. Enjoy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
What is the love language that matters most?! That's the focus of this week's episode, as our friend, Dr. Gary Chapman, author of The Five Love Languages, joins us to about his new book by the same name, The Love Language That Matters Most. In this episode, Dr. Chapman drops some serious one-liners to teach us how to practically identify and love our spouse in their own dialect. Sound intriguing to you? The insights are profound. Here are some of the gold nuggets Dr. Chapman shares:Why our agenda takes precedence over our valuesHow to know what your spouse needs to really feel lovedWhy the misbehavior of both children AND adults grows out of an empty love tankHow to be a great listenerThe three ways to help your children feel lovedAnd the most sobering question Dr. Chapman asked of himself while raising his kids As he stated, “The question is not, ‘Do you love your children.' The question is, ‘Do your children feel loved?'” Time Stamps:0:00 Introduction1:19 What's coming up with Famous at Home4:02 Dr. Gary Chapman joins the show10:13 What is the love language that matters most?18:30 The dialects of each love language23:02 The emotional love tank27:40 The qualities of being a great listener35:00 How to help your children feel loved42:57 The most sobering question Dr. Chapman would ask of himself raising kids Show Notes:Purchase The Love Language That Matters Most by Dr. Gary Chapman by clicking here: https://amzn.to/4bHmXDy Take the Love Language Premium Assessment: https://5lovelanguages.com/store/premium-assessmentWant a marriage you love? Fill out this form: https://www.famousathome.com/loveyourmarriage Sign up for our email list and Famous at Home Starter Bundle: https://www.famousathome.com/newsletter To download the Famous at Home app from Apple, click here. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/famous-at-home/id6502221394 To download the Famous at Home app from Google Play, click here. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kj2147486660.app2&hl=en_USDownload NONAH's single Find My Way Home by clicking here: https://bellpartners.ffm.to/findmywayhome
Key Takeaways:Centering fundraising on genuine care, honesty, and alignment creates trust and long-term support rather than transactional gains. Actions from authentic relationships feel meaningful, while actions solely for money feel manipulative.Loving donor relationships are honest, authentic, and aligned. They are not transactional or performative, and both the donor and organization benefit from shared values and mutual yeses.Applying love languages in fundraising—words of affirmation, quality time, acts of service, meaningful gifts, and shared experiences—builds connection without pressure or manipulation. Each interaction should reflect respect, care, and intention.Listening, personalization, and alignment are critical. Engaging only with donors who resonate with the organization's mission fosters sustainable giving, while letting go of misaligned relationships protects energy, trust, and long-term impact. “If we are doing things for our donors because we genuinely love and care about them… that's a loving relationship.” “Love languages don't replace integrity. They express integrity.” “Healthy donor relationships don't come from saying the right thing. They come from being in the right relationship.”- Maryanne Dersch Let's Work Together to Amplify Your Leadership + Influence1. Group Coaching for Nonprofit LeadersWant to lead with more clarity, confidence, and influence? My group coaching program is designed for nonprofit leaders who are ready to communicate more powerfully, navigate challenges with ease, and move their organizations forward. 2. Team Coaching + TrainingI work hands-on with nonprofit teams to strengthen leadership, improve communication, and align around a shared vision. Whether you're growing fast or feeling stuck, we'll create more clarity, collaboration, and momentum—together. 3. Board Retreats + TrainingsYour board has big potential. I'll help you unlock it. My engaging, no-fluff retreats and trainings are built to energize your board, refocus on what matters, and generate real results.Get your free starter kit today at www.theinfluentialnonprofit.comConnect with Maryanne about her coaching programs:https://www.courageouscommunication.com/connect Book Maryanne to speak at your conference:https://www.courageouscommunication.com/nonprofit-keynote-speaker
Most men want to love their wives and kids well—but still feel stuck, disconnected, or misunderstood.In this episode of the Dad Tired Podcast, Jerrad sits down with Gary Chapman, author of The Five Love Languages, to talk about the deeper issue beneath most marriage and parenting struggles:
Does your family history of divorce and dysfunction make you fear for your own marriage? Listen as Pastors Nate Brown and Daniel Hayworth share their personal stories of overcoming generational patterns and building marriages that honor God.This episode is perfect for your morning commute or workout—practical wisdom you can apply to your relationship today.You'll Learn:✅ How to stop living in fear of becoming your parents✅ The early warning signs that your marriage is drifting spiritually✅ What to do when one spouse is growing faster than the other✅ Whether couples should do devotions together or separately✅ The simple principle that transforms how you see your spousePastors Nate and Daniel get vulnerable about their own marriage struggles, from repeated fights in the early years to learning how to lead without forcing. This is real talk for real marriages.Resources mentioned: The Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis, The Five Love Languages by Gary Chapman, Honoring Grace devotionalThis is part 4 of our Marriage Conference Q&A series. Subscribe now so you don't miss the next episode—new episodes drop Monday, Wednesday, and Friday at 7 AM CT.
By Stephen Bouchette - Love is something we can wrestle with communicating to others. How can love be effectively given and received? God is love. How do we effectively express love to God? Gary Chapman wrote a book named the “Five Love Languages.” Does God speak these languages, and conversely, how do we express our love
In this podcast, Stephen Martin discusses the distinction between requests and demands, particularly in the context of relationships and personal growth. He reflects on his experiences with dyslexia and how it affects his understanding of these concepts. Through insights gained from 'The Five Love Languages', he emphasizes the importance of making requests rather than demands to foster healthier communication and connection with others.TakeawaysRequests are more effective than demands in relationships.Demanding love can lead to resentment and pain.Understanding the difference between requests and demands is crucial.Dyslexia can complicate the understanding of abstract concepts.Making requests fosters a desire to help and connect.Demanding behavior can create anxiety and disorientation.Using clay to visualize concepts can aid understanding.Personal growth involves recognizing and changing communication patterns.Daily practice of making requests can improve relationships.Reflecting on communication styles can lead to deeper insights.Dyslexia, requests, demands, relationships, communication, love languages, personal growth, ADHD, adults with dyslexia, support for adults.Join the clubrightbrainresetters.comGet 20% off your first orderaddednutrition.comIf you want to find out more visit:truthaboutdyslexia.comJoin our Facebook Groupfacebook.com/groups/adultdyslexia
In this episode, Dr. Gary Chapman joins Sissy Goff and David Thomas to explore what kids need most right now: feeling deeply and consistently loved. Drawing from decades of counseling families and his work with the Five Love Languages, Dr. Chapman explains how children uniquely receive love, how parents can identify a child's primary love language, and why behavior is often a signal that a child's “love tank” is running low. The conversation offers practical, hope-filled guidance for adapting love languages as kids grow, navigating different personalities within one family, and building daily rhythms—like shared meals and one-on-one time—that foster connection, resilience, and lasting emotional security. Resources mentioned: The 5 Love Languages by Dr. Gary Chapman The 5 Love Languages of Children by Dr. Gary Chapman and Ross Campbell The 5 Love Languages of Teenagers by Dr. Gary Chapman What's your Love Language? free quiz . . . . . . Sign up to receive the bi-monthly newsletter to keep up to date with where David and Sissy are speaking, where they are taco'ing, PLUS conversation starters for you and your family to share! Access Raising Boys and Girls courses here! Connect with David, Sissy, and Melissa at raisingboysandgirls.com Owen Learns He Has What it Takes: A Lesson in Resilience Lucy Learns to Be Brave: A Lesson in Courage . . . . . . If you would like to partner with Raising Boys and Girls as a podcast sponsor, fill out our Advertise With Us form. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
As Venture Church steps into 2026, Pastor Brandon shares the very first message of the year across all campuses, introducing what we're calling Venture United — a moment for our entire church family to speak the same language and move in the same direction together. Using 1 John 3:18 as the theme verse for the year, Pastor Brandon casts vision for 2026 as the Year of Radical Service. This message challenges us to move beyond words and intentions and live out our faith through action, love, and ownership of the church we call home. Through personal stories, Scripture, and practical examples, Pastor Brandon walks through why serving matters, how it reflects our love for Jesus, and why a healthy church is built on people who take responsibility for the mission together. This message sets the tone for the year ahead and invites every person at Venture to step into a deeper level of commitment, service, and love. ⏱️ Timestamps 00:00 – Welcome to Venture Church across all campuses00:25 – Introducing Venture United00:50 – Health update and gratitude for prayer01:40 – Theme verse for 2026: 1 John 3:1802:10 – Opening prayer02:30 – The Five Love Languages illustration04:10 – Acts of service vs gifts story04:52 – Introducing the Year of Radical Service05:27 – 1 Peter 4:10–11 and serving to God's glory06:02 – Loving through actions, not just words07:03 – Vision for Venture to be known for radical service07:54 – Celebrating generosity and giving milestones09:10 – Invitation to begin giving consistently09:44 – Vision for generosity AND service10:15 – Serving as a gift of your time11:15 – God provides strength when we serve11:49 – Why giving alone isn't enough13:27 – Serving as an act of love14:51 – Serving as worship, even behind the scenes16:20 – Redefining what a “break” from serving means17:33 – Serving people as serving Jesus19:05 – The power of hospitality and first impressions21:12 – Story of a life changed through serving23:25 – Serving even after moving away24:14 – Serving as ownership25:58 – Why the church depends on volunteers26:37 – Ownership illustrated through everyday life29:07 – What owners do when something needs fixing30:42 – 2026: Venture's Year of Radical Service31:10 – Closing encouragement and vision for the year ahead
What up, Beasts. Welcome back to the show! In this episode, I'm joined again by Alysia Lyons for a conversation that completely flips the script on self-care by taking the Five Love Languages and turning them inward. We talk about how most of us were taught to show love to others, but never learned how to give that same love to ourselves, and how that disconnect fuels guilt, burnout, and relentless self-criticism. Alysia breaks down how applying your personal love language to yourself can become a powerful, practical way to build self-trust, soften negative self-talk, and actually feel cared for without adding more to your to-do list. We dig into parenting, guilt, inner child work, why self-love is a practice and not a switch you flip, and how real support accelerates healing. This one is honest, funny, and deeply grounding, especially if you've ever felt like you're doing everything for everyone else while running on empty.As always, I hope something lands with you today. I hope something you hear tugs at your heart strings and/or I hope you laugh.Bio: For nearly a decade, she has helped clients move through internal blocks and create lasting change with clarity, confidence, and self-trust. Shaped by her own path through motherhood, divorce, entrepreneurship, and rediscovering who she truly is, she offers grounded, judgment-free support as a mirror, guide, and gentle nudge forward. As a certified Neuro-Transformational Results Coach, Usui Reiki Master, and Biddy Tarot Advisor, she blends science, intuition, and energy-based practices in a personalized way, helping clients release what no longer serves and come home to themselves.Music by Prymary: Sean Entrikin (my hot husband) on guitar, Chris Quirarte on drums, Smiley Sean on keyboards, Rob Young on bass, and Jaxon Duane on vocals.Mentions: Alysia's Video That Made Me Call Her Back: https://youtu.be/PG6wUhYX4c4?si=ndQ9xN7gbH4yJH2MAlysia's Previous Episodes on the Show:27 How to Conquer Mom Guilt:https://open.spotify.com/episode/4m70UkePszk6Eh1ZwEn1jl?si=ezcNYXunQayMQ4_XU_t0FQ44 Easing Parental Guilt and Increasing Emotional Peace:https://open.spotify.com/episode/6xJTySGACauAAfc8EX6gxt?si=2ll2nTa3R5qwcqA_RZ9rgAConnect with Alysia!Website: Alysialyons.comFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/coachalysialyonsInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/coachalysialyonsLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alysialyons/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@coachalysialyonsTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@coachalysialyonsWhere else can you find me?Linktree: https://linktr.ee/beautifulbeastwithinstudiosYour Input Can Change Lives!If you have ever felt stuck in diet cycles, body image spirals, or trying to “fix” your body and never feeling like it is enough, I would love to hear from you.I am collecting anonymous stories and experiences about food, movement, and body image to create resources that actually support real humans, not diet culture. Your honest input can help shape a future where health is about more than a number on the scale.Click here to take the survey: https://beautifulbeastwithinstudios.com/market-research784237Affiliate LinksBreakthrough Coaching Certification: If you feel called to help others heal or grow, Sean Smith's Breakthrough Coaching Certification is where that calling becomes real. https://coachseansmith.ontraport.net/t?orid=27037&opid=43Opus Clip: I use Opus Clip mostly for captions, and it's a game-changer for turning long videos into usable clips. If you use my link, it supports the show, and I appreciate you big time! https://www.opus.pro/?via=1118d2Mary Kay: Listen… I've been using Mary Kay since I was 17. I'm 40 now and people still ask me what college I go to. Not really, but you get the idea. Grab your faves here: https://www.marykay.com/kaitienoelleBeastly Merch: https://beautifulbeastwithinstudios.com/merchUnveil the Beautiful Beast Within YOU!Zoom Background:By Behr
Beating Cancer Daily with Saranne Rothberg ~ Stage IV Cancer Survivor
Today, Saranne creatively connects Gary Chapman's popular "Five Love Languages" to her cancer journey, infusing humor and personal anecdotes to highlight how these concepts—words of affirmation, acts of service, receiving gifts, quality time, and physical touch—played a crucial role in her fight against Stage IV cancer. She emphasizes the importance of self-love and care as therapeutic tools during cancer treatment through clever twists and profound insights. Saranne makes this connection even more memorable with a humorous taco-themed analogy that brings lightness and joy to a serious topic. "Fill up your tank with self-love and you'll have the stamina to get through cancer treatment." – Saranne Today on Beating Cancer Daily: · The premise of Gary Chapman's "Five Love Languages" can be used for self-love during cancer treatment.· Self-affirmation and positive self-talk strengthen mental resilience against negative cancer prognoses.· Small daily self-gifts enhance self-care and boost emotional well-being.· Acts of service to oneself and others can transform the quality of life during tough times.· Quality time with loved ones and engaging in fulfilling activities breaks the isolation caused by cancer.· Physical touch, whether through pets or loved ones, significantly aids emotional and physical healing.· Personal growth and autonomy are crucial love languages for building stronger relationships.· Humor and finding joy in daily life can make the cancer journey more bearable and uplifting. Resources Mentioned: ComedyCures Foundationhttps://www.comedycures.org2025 People's Choice Podcast Awards Finalist Ranked the Top 5 Best Cancer Podcasts by CancerCare News in 2024 & 2025, and #1 Rated Cancer Survivor Podcast by FeedSpot in 2024 Beating Cancer Daily is listened to in over 130 countries across 7 continents and features over 390 original daily episodes hosted by Stage IV survivor Saranne Rothberg. To learn more about Host Saranne Rothberg and The ComedyCures Foundation:https://www.comedycures.org/ To write to Saranne or a guest:https://www.comedycures.org/contact-8 To record a message to Saranne or a guest:https://www.speakpipe.com/BCD_Comments_Suggestions To sign up for the free Health Builder Series live on Zoom with Saranne and Jacqui, go to The ComedyCures Foundation's homepage:https://www.comedycures.org/ Please support the creation of more original episodes of Beating Cancer Daily and other free ComedyCures Foundation programs with a tax-deductible contribution:http://bit.ly/ComedyCuresDonate THANK YOU! Please tell a friend whom we may help, and please support us with a beautiful review. Have a blessed day! Saranne
In this episode of High Performance Parenting, Greg and Jacquie Francis dive deep into how the Five Love Languages impact marriage and parenting. Discover how to speak your spouse's love language — even when it's not natural to you — and why your kids need to experience love in the way they understand it most.Through funny stories, practical examples, and biblical truth, they reveal how to overcome the “lazy habits” that block connection and how learning each other's love language is an act of humility, maturity, and spiritual growth.You'll Learn:The five love languages and how they show up in daily lifeWhy “It's just how I am” damages connectionHow to avoid resentment when your spouse loves differentlyHow to identify your kids' love languagesPractical ways to show love God's way
What if the most powerful gift this holiday season costs nothing, takes minutes, and could change someone's entire day... or even their life?In this episode, I'm revealing the hidden superpower we all have but rarely use: the gift of gratitude. This isn't your typical "be thankful on Thanksgiving" message. This is about unlocking everyday appreciation that transforms relationships, spreads like wildfire, and creates a ripple effect you can't imagine.
Discover all of the podcasts in our network, search for specific episodes, get the Optimal Living Daily workbook, and learn more at: OLDPodcast.com. Episode 2791: Tynan explores the nuanced reality of romantic relationships, highlighting the critical role of honest, non-judgmental communication from day one. His personal shift from the world of pickup to a fulfilling marriage offers a refreshingly grounded perspective on how authenticity, mutual effort, and emotional maturity create lasting connection. Read along with the original article(s) here: https://tynan.com/relationships/ Quotes to ponder: "An absolute necessity for any good relationship is an environment of open non-judgemental communication." "Never take your partner for granted. When you do, you forget what's so great about them and begin to hallucinate that you could easily replace them with someone exactly the same except with one fewer problem." "Make sure to keep an active life outside of your relationship. You can't be your partner's entire world and you don't want them to be yours." Episode references: The Five Love Languages: https://www.amazon.com/Five-Love-Languages-Secret-Lasts/dp/080241270X
You don't need to hit home runs in life or relationships—just learn how to show up, speak their language, and say thank you when it counts. Show Notes: In this reflective Shark Theory episode, Baylor Barbee turns an unexpected listener message into a deeper look at consistency, connection, and communication. Not every day—or podcast—is a home run, and that's the point. Baylor shares why small, consistent base hits build real progress in life and relationships. He also dives into lessons from The Five Love Languages, exploring how understanding how others receive appreciation can transform both personal and professional relationships. And sometimes, growth is as simple as learning how to genuinely accept a compliment without deflecting it. What You'll Learn in This Episode: Why consistency matters more than perfection The difference between swinging for home runs and stacking base hits How love languages shape how we give and receive appreciation Why asking "How do you receive love or gratitude?" changes relationships The power of simply saying "thank you" and meaning it Featured Quote: "You don't have to hit home runs every day. Just keep showing up, making base hits, and learning how to speak the language of the people who matter most."
When should children begin reading the Five Love Languages? Dr. Chapman's book, The 5 Love Languages of Children was actually written for parents. This book will help the parents learn the concepts and apply them to their children.Donate to Moody Radio: http://moodyradio.org/donateto/lovelanguageminuteSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
This episode is about the 5 love languages! Get ready to hear Jake nerd out about couples therapy and why this book is... fine. Jake and Brooke made this gift as an act of service to spend some quality time with you, readers, so be sure to give them words of affirmation in the reviews. I wasn't able to make "physical touch" fit in this joke.References:Cook, M., Pasley, J., Pellarin, E., Medow, K., Baltz, M., & Buhman-Wiggs, A. (2013). Construct validation of the five love languages. Journal of Psychological Inquiry, 18(2), 50-61.Egbert, N., & Polk, D. (2006). Speaking the language of relational maintenance: A validity test of Chapman's Five Love Languages. Communication Research Reports, 23(1), 19-26.Eisen, K. (2025, July 16). Is The Origin of Love Languages Problematic? Coveteur.com. https://coveteur.com/love-languagesFlicker, S. M., Sancier‐Barbosa, F., Clemons‐Castanos, C., Field, S., Jackson‐Zambon, S., Phelan, M., & Impett, E. A. (2025). How Many Love Languages Are There? Examining Chapman's Five Love Languages Using a Bottom‐Up Approach. Journal of marital and family therapy, 51(4), e70072.Impett, E. A., Park, H. G., & Muise, A. (2024). Popular psychology through a scientific lens: Evaluating love languages from a relationship science perspective. Current Directions in Psychological Science, 33(2), 87-92.Surijah, E. A., & Kirana, C. T. (2020). Five love languages scale factor analysis. Makara Human Behavior Studies in Asia, 24(1), 56-72.Music from #Uppbeat (free for Creators!):https://uppbeat.io/t/mood-maze/trendsetterLicense code: 9OT2MTBHWWSRZP5S Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
It's been over a decade since Dr. Gary Chapman's Five Love Languages changed the way we talk about relationships — but in 2025, are they still relevant? In this powerful and emotionally charged episode of Life Points with Ronda, licensed relationship counselor and spiritual coach Ronda takes you deep into the truth about how we love, why we misunderstand each other, and what it really takes to stay connected in modern relationships.
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Newly engaged or decades in? This candid conversation with Rusty and Heather unpacks one of the most practical skills for a healthy marriage: love your spouse the way they want to be loved—not just how love comes naturally to you. Using the Five Love Languages framework (words of affirmation, quality time, acts of service, gifts, and physical touch), they share real-life stories of how needs shift across seasons of life—work changes, parenting, even healing after betrayal—and why sacrificial love breaks the “crazy cycle” of withholding. You'll learn why men often experience affirmation as respect, how deficits can skew quiz results, and simple daily ways to meet each other's needs without manipulation or keeping score. Whether you're dating, newly married, or rebuilding trust, this episode offers clear next steps for connection, communication, and emotional intimacy. Grab a date night, take (or retake) the quiz, and use today's practical ideas to create more safety, closeness, and fun—one loving choice at a time. The Redeemed Marriage Website Watch on YouTube
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In this episode, I discuss why the psychological concept of The Five Love Languages is fundamentally flawed.
Send us a textThe Five Love LanguagesLove comes in many languages: touch, time, gifts, service, and affirmation. Each one points us to the way God loves us and how we are called to love others in return. Over the next five weeks, we'll explore stories of Jesus meeting people in their deepest need and showing love in ways that still speak today. Come discover how God's love is personal, powerful, and present in your life. TimeWe all long for someone to slow down, look us in the eye, and truly listen. In this message, Pastor Steve explores Jesus' encounter with the woman at the well in John 4. Jesus crossed barriers, set aside distractions, and gave her His full attention. That quality time not only made her feel seen but also transformed her life. Jesus makes time for you in the same way. He is never too busy or distracted to be present with you. When you spend time with Him and then give that same gift of presence to others, you are saying, “You matter.” Discover how making time can be an act of love that changes lives.
Marriage is like a tractor – if you take care of it, do preventative maintenance, and fix problems quickly, it will hum along for years. For our first series on This Farm Life, we're focusing on tuning up our marriages.This week, Archie Mason talks with Brian and April Maddox about finding ways to keep a marriage strong in the busy farm seasons as well as the downtime. Love, respect, and friendship are essential in this farm family's relationship with one another and their kids.Visit AgriHealth.net for more information and links to resources.To take the Five Love Languages quiz mentioned on this episode, visit https://www.5lovelanguages.com/quizzes/ We'd love to hear your feedback! Please reach out to us if you have ideas for future shows or how we can make That Farm Life even better! Email us at info@agrihealth.net!That Farm Life is produced by Agri Health Network in conjunction with Grounded Faith Ministries. For more information and to find more resources, check out AgriHealth.net.
Marriage is like a tractor – if you take care of it, do preventative maintenance, and fix problems quickly, it will hum along for years. For our first series on This Farm Life, we're focusing on tuning up our marriages.In this episode, Archie Mason interviews James and Mandi Barham. They share what happened in their marriage when regular maintenance was ignored and the wheels came off. A story of hope and restoration, they cover ways to make your marriage stronger.Visit AgriHealth.net for more information and links to resources.To take the Five Love Languages quiz mentioned on this episode, visit https://www.5lovelanguages.com/quizzes/ We'd love to hear your feedback! Please reach out to us if you have ideas for future shows or how we can make That Farm Life even better! Email us at info@agrihealth.net!That Farm Life is produced by Agri Health Network in conjunction with Grounded Faith Ministries. For more information and to find more resources, check out AgriHealth.net.
Today, on Karl and Crew, we continued our weekly theme of “Walking the Straight and Narrow Path” with discussions about reading the Word and applying it to our lives. We then turned to the phone lines to hear how our listeners applied the Word to their lives. Then we had Dr. Gary Chapman join us to talk about his marriage and other marriage stories he’s heard from his previous conferences. Dr. Chapman is a well-known marriage counselor, speaker, pastor, host of a radio show, Building Relationships, and author of the New York Times bestseller “The Five Love Languages.” He has decades of counseling experience, directs marriage seminars, and is currently on tour for his 5 Love Languages Marriage Conference. We also talked about our upcoming Fall SHARE and our need for prayers! We’re calling all prayer warriors to join us in prayer for the Lord’s provision and to help people take their next step with Jesus. To get involved, you can text the word CREW to 800-555-7898 to sign up for a 30-minute prayer slot or head directly to the website to sign up. You can hear the highlights of today's program on the Karl and Crew Showcast. If you're looking to hear a particular segment from the show, look at the following time stamps: Dr. Gary Chapman Interview (Marriage) [00:24] Caller Segment [21:11] Karl and Crew airs live weekday mornings from 5-9 a.m. Central Time. Click this link for ways to listen in your area! https://www.moodyradio.org/ways-to-listen/Donate to Moody Radio: http://moodyradio.org/donateto/morningshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Today, on Karl and Crew, we continued our weekly theme of “Walking the Straight and Narrow Path” with discussions about reading the Word and applying it to our lives. We then turned to the phone lines to hear how our listeners applied the Word to their lives. Then we had Dr. Gary Chapman join us to talk about his marriage and other marriage stories he’s heard from his previous conferences. Dr. Chapman is a well-known marriage counselor, speaker, pastor, host of a radio show, Building Relationships, and author of the New York Times bestseller “The Five Love Languages.” He has decades of counseling experience, directs marriage seminars, and is currently on tour for his 5 Love Languages Marriage Conference. We also talked about our upcoming Fall SHARE and our need for prayers! We’re calling all prayer warriors to join us in prayer for the Lord’s provision and to help people take their next step with Jesus. To get involved, you can text the word CREW to 800-555-7898 to sign up for a 30-minute prayer slot or head directly to the website to sign up. You can hear the highlights of today's program on the Karl and Crew Showcast. If you're looking to hear a particular segment from the show, look at the following time stamps: Dr. Gary Chapman Interview (Marriage) [00:24] Caller Segment [21:11] Karl and Crew airs live weekday mornings from 5-9 a.m. Central Time. Click this link for ways to listen in your area! https://www.moodyradio.org/ways-to-listen/Donate to Moody Radio: http://moodyradio.org/donateto/morningshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Today, on Karl and Crew, we continued our weekly theme of “Walking the Straight and Narrow Path” with discussions about reading the Word and applying it to our lives. We then turned to the phone lines to hear how our listeners applied the Word to their lives. Then we had Dr. Gary Chapman join us to talk about his marriage and other marriage stories he’s heard from his previous conferences. Dr. Chapman is a well-known marriage counselor, speaker, pastor, host of a radio show, Building Relationships, and author of the New York Times bestseller “The Five Love Languages.” He has decades of counseling experience, directs marriage seminars, and is currently on tour for his 5 Love Languages Marriage Conference. We also talked about our upcoming Fall SHARE and our need for prayers! We’re calling all prayer warriors to join us in prayer for the Lord’s provision and to help people take their next step with Jesus. To get involved, you can text the word CREW to 800-555-7898 to sign up for a 30-minute prayer slot or head directly to the website to sign up. You can hear the highlights of today's program on the Karl and Crew Showcast. If you're looking to hear a particular segment from the show, look at the following time stamps: Dr. Gary Chapman Interview (Marriage) [00:24] Caller Segment [21:11] Karl and Crew airs live weekday mornings from 5-9 a.m. Central Time. Click this link for ways to listen in your area! https://www.moodyradio.org/ways-to-listen/Donate to Moody Radio: http://moodyradio.org/donateto/morningshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Today, on Karl and Crew, we continued our weekly theme of “Walking the Straight and Narrow Path” with discussions about reading the Word and applying it to our lives. We then turned to the phone lines to hear how our listeners applied the Word to their lives. Then we had Dr. Gary Chapman join us to talk about his marriage and other marriage stories he’s heard from his previous conferences. Dr. Chapman is a well-known marriage counselor, speaker, pastor, host of a radio show, Building Relationships, and author of the New York Times bestseller “The Five Love Languages.” He has decades of counseling experience, directs marriage seminars, and is currently on tour for his 5 Love Languages Marriage Conference. We also talked about our upcoming Fall SHARE and our need for prayers! We’re calling all prayer warriors to join us in prayer for the Lord’s provision and to help people take their next step with Jesus. To get involved, you can text the word CREW to 800-555-7898 to sign up for a 30-minute prayer slot or head directly to the website to sign up. You can hear the highlights of today's program on the Karl and Crew Showcast. If you're looking to hear a particular segment from the show, look at the following time stamps: Dr. Gary Chapman Interview (Marriage) [00:24] Caller Segment [21:11] Karl and Crew airs live weekday mornings from 5-9 a.m. Central Time. Click this link for ways to listen in your area! https://www.moodyradio.org/ways-to-listen/Donate to Moody Radio: http://moodyradio.org/donateto/morningshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Today, on Karl and Crew, we continued our weekly theme of “Walking the Straight and Narrow Path” with discussions about reading the Word and applying it to our lives. We then turned to the phone lines to hear how our listeners applied the Word to their lives. Then we had Dr. Gary Chapman join us to talk about his marriage and other marriage stories he’s heard from his previous conferences. Dr. Chapman is a well-known marriage counselor, speaker, pastor, host of a radio show, Building Relationships, and author of the New York Times bestseller “The Five Love Languages.” He has decades of counseling experience, directs marriage seminars, and is currently on tour for his 5 Love Languages Marriage Conference. We also talked about our upcoming Fall SHARE and our need for prayers! We’re calling all prayer warriors to join us in prayer for the Lord’s provision and to help people take their next step with Jesus. To get involved, you can text the word CREW to 800-555-7898 to sign up for a 30-minute prayer slot or head directly to the website to sign up. You can hear the highlights of today's program on the Karl and Crew Showcast. If you're looking to hear a particular segment from the show, look at the following time stamps: Dr. Gary Chapman Interview (Marriage) [00:24] Caller Segment [21:11] Karl and Crew airs live weekday mornings from 5-9 a.m. Central Time. Click this link for ways to listen in your area! https://www.moodyradio.org/ways-to-listen/Donate to Moody Radio: http://moodyradio.org/donateto/morningshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Today, on Karl and Crew, we continued our weekly theme of “Walking the Straight and Narrow Path” with discussions about reading the Word and applying it to our lives. We then turned to the phone lines to hear how our listeners applied the Word to their lives. Then we had Dr. Gary Chapman join us to talk about his marriage and other marriage stories he’s heard from his previous conferences. Dr. Chapman is a well-known marriage counselor, speaker, pastor, host of a radio show, Building Relationships, and author of the New York Times bestseller “The Five Love Languages.” He has decades of counseling experience, directs marriage seminars, and is currently on tour for his 5 Love Languages Marriage Conference. We also talked about our upcoming Fall SHARE and our need for prayers! We’re calling all prayer warriors to join us in prayer for the Lord’s provision and to help people take their next step with Jesus. To get involved, you can text the word CREW to 800-555-7898 to sign up for a 30-minute prayer slot or head directly to the website to sign up. You can hear the highlights of today's program on the Karl and Crew Showcast. If you're looking to hear a particular segment from the show, look at the following time stamps: Dr. Gary Chapman Interview (Marriage) [00:24] Caller Segment [21:11] Karl and Crew airs live weekday mornings from 5-9 a.m. Central Time. Click this link for ways to listen in your area! https://www.moodyradio.org/ways-to-listen/Donate to Moody Radio: http://moodyradio.org/donateto/morningshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Send us a textThe Five Love LanguagesLove comes in many languages: touch, time, gifts, service, and affirmation. Each one points us to the way God loves us and how we are called to love others in return. Over the next five weeks, we'll explore stories of Jesus meeting people in their deepest need and showing love in ways that still speak today. Come discover how God's love is personal, powerful, and present in your life.TouchWhen a desperate woman reached for the hem of Jesus' cloak, everything changed. God knows when you are hurting and meets you right where you are. And just as God's touch brought healing that day, you may be the one God uses to bring hope and love to someone else.
In the world of financial planning, we often focus on numbers, assets, and strategies, but what about emotions? Just as the concept of "love languages" has helped people understand how to connect with their partners, it can also offer valuable insight into how we approach money management. In this episode, Jeremy and Sharon explain how the five love languages can inform a more compassionate and effective approach to financial planning. Here's some of what you'll hear in this episode:
On this episode of the PQI Podcast, we sit down with Jenny Hoang, PharmD, a 2024 graduate of the University of Texas at Austin and pharmacist at Texas Oncology. Jenny shares how her uncle's cancer diagnosis inspired her career — and how she's already making an impact through an innovative pilot program that brings the Five Love Languages into oncology care.This 6-week program, developed in collaboration with social workers, helps patients and their partners strengthen communication during treatment. The results have been powerful: reduced anxiety, greater emotional support, and even one couple saying it “saved their marriage.”In this episode, you'll hear:How love languages can be adapted into cancer care.Why pharmacists are uniquely positioned to support patients beyond medications.The measurable benefits patients and caregivers experienced from this pilot.How programs like this connect to NCODA's PQI mission of improving quality of life.
Gary Chapman is the author of The Five Love Languages, a book first published in 1992 that outlines how people express and experience love. He argues that romantic miscommunications come about due to people expressing love to one another using different “languages”, and therefore struggle to understand one another. But, if you understand your own love language, you can ask for what you need and be in tune to the needs of your partner. According to Chapman, the different ways people can communicate their love is through; acts of service, gift-giving, physical touch, quality time, and words of affirmation. What are the 5 languages? Is there any science behind love languages? How does knowing the love languages help relationships? In under 3 minutes, we answer your questions! To listen to the last episodes, you can click here: Is there really such a thing as love at first sight? Which foods can hurt your libido? How do I know if I sleepwalk? A podcast written and realised by Amber Minogue. First broadcast: 14/02/2023 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
In this episode of the Lead Ministry Podcast, Josh Denhart and Bill Van Kirk unpack the vital topic of volunteer retention. They explore why keeping volunteers isn't just about filling slots, but about discipleship, stewardship, and honoring the people God has already entrusted to your ministry.If you've ever felt exhausted by constant turnover or afraid of burning out your team, this episode will equip you with a fresh vision and practical tools for retention.Key Topics CoveredRetention defined: what it really means to “keep” volunteersWhy serving is a spiritual life hack for discipleshipPractical use of the Five Love Languages for volunteer careKey Quote“Don't let your ministry become the meat grinder for volunteers.”Scripture ReferencesEphesians 4:11–12 – “...to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ”TakeawayVolunteer retention isn't just a staffing strategy, it's a discipleship pathway. When leaders steward their volunteers well—through encouragement, service, and personal care—they not only strengthen their ministry but also honor God.Call to ActionWe hope this episode encourages and equips you. Share it with a friend and stay tuned for more resources each week.Stay Connected for More ResourcesVisit our website: http://leadministry.comFollow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/LeadVolunteersFind us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leadvolunteers
Today, I'm joined by Miku for a casual conversation about the “Five Love Languages.” We talk about how each of us expresses and feels love differently—through words, quality time, gifts, acts of service, or physical touch. You'll hear fun personal stories, cultural insights, and natural Japanese expressions from our dialogue. Which love language speaks to you?
Join us on Service Drive Revolution for an informative roundtable discussion about the NEXT impending crisis in the automotive industry! From tariffs to arranged marriages (yes, you read that right!), our expert panel—Chris and Christian, along with coaches Jean, Cliff, Hogie, Vicky, and Fairborz—dive into the challenges facing service departments and dealerships. We reflect on past crises like COVID, the 2008 recession, CDK outages, and even the Ford Pinto gas tank debacle, sharing lessons learned and strategies that separate the winners from the losers. Discover why adaptability, mindset, and preparation are key to thriving in any storm, and how top performers turn challenges into opportunities. Plus, get a view into our upcoming quarterly virtual meeting, where we'll cover hot topics like The Five Love Languages of Parts, Parts is from Venus, Service is from Mars, and Atomic Habits of the Service Department. Find out which session our panel is most excited about!
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Every kid receives love differently. Understanding how your kids best experience love can transform your relationship with them. In this episode, Amy and Sara sit down with Dr. Gary Chapman—world-renowned author of The 5 Love Languages—as he shares how understanding your kids' unique love language can strengthen your connection and help them feel truly loved. Learn practical ways to speak love in a way your kids can hear, understand, and feel.The Five Love LanguagesThe Five Love Languages of ChildrenThe Five Love Languages QuizzesTeen's Guide to the Five Love LanguagesChoose Greatness: 11 Wise Decisions that Brave Young Men MakeThings I Wish I'd Known Before We Became Parents--Question of the Week: How do you love someone who is super different than you?--Hosts: Amy Lowe & Sara JonesGuests: Dr. Gary ChapmanProducers: Emily Alters & Cody Braun--Learn more about WinShape Camps at WinShapeCamps.org!Instagram: @WinShapeCampsTikTok: @WinShapeCampsFacebook: @WinShapeCamps
Play along at home with the lyrics:[Verse 1: Carl Wilson]I may not always love youBut long as there are stars above youYou never need to doubt itI'll make you so sure about it[Refrain: Carl Wilson]God only knows what I'd be without you [Verse 2: Carl Wilson]If you should ever leave meWell, life would still go on, believe meThe world could show nothing to meSo what good would living do me?[Refrain: Carl Wilson]God only knows what I'd be without you[Interlude: Carl Wilson, Brian Wilson, and Bruce Johnston]Ooh, oohDo, do, do, do, do, do, doBow, buh-bow, buh-bow, buh-bow (Do, do, do, do)Buh-bow, buh-bow, buh-bow (Do, do, do, do, do, do)Buh-bow, buh-bow, buh-bow, buh-bow (Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do)[Refrain: Carl Wilson]God only knows what I'd be without you[Verse 3: Carl Wilson]If you should ever leave meWell, life would still go on, believe meThe world could show nothing to meSo what good would living do me?[Chorus: Carl Wilson]God only knows what I'd be without you[Outro: Carl Wilson with Brian Wilson and Bruce Johnston]God only knows what I'd be without youGod only knows what I'd be without youGod only knows what I'd be without you (What I'd be)God only knows what I'd be without you (God only knows)God only knows what I'd be without you (What I'd be)God only knows what I'd be without you (God only knows)God only knows what I'd be without you (What I'd be)God only knows what I'd be without you (God only knows)God only knows what I'd be without you (What I'd be)God only knows what I'd be without you (God only knows)God only knows what I'd be without you (What I'd be)God only knows what I'd be without you (God only knows) Jump to section:(00:12) Introduction but no waffling like you get on some podcasts. You know the ones.(01:11) Song title, writers' details, one anagram too many, in memoriam, brothers and emotional scarring, Charles Manson. The controversial title for the time(08:03) To the lyrics. - Peter leads us through a first pass on the lyrics. Is this really the 60s? The Love Generation? Lions, tigers, ligers, and plants.(17:59) Original draft lyrics uncovered - Exclusive(21:30) Dave takes us through what God does and doesn't know, how long stars are above you, and the Five Love Languages. Plus how (40:57) The artist's comments(42:09) The official music video, 55 years in the making(45:50) Other theories from the internet(53:37) Misheard Lyrics(55:52) Notable Trivia(01:02:28) Farewells and give us moneyWould you like to appear (well, vocally) on the show? Do you have a pop song or ear-worm from the SMOOTH FM genre that's infested your mind and needs to be investigated? Visit this page https://speakpipe.com/lyrics to record us your own voicemail hot-take on your specific smooth song of suckiness. You could be on a future episode! (you can always email sound files or text your thoughts to poidadavis@gmail.com if that's easier). Cheers!Find us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram etc @LyricsPodast ... and we're on all your favourite podcasting platforms.Sound clips are included for educational reference, criticism, satire and parody in fair use. Clips remain the property of the respective rights holder and no endorsement is implied. All information and opinion is performed and expressed in-character and does not reflect reality or genuine commentary on any persons (living or dead), bands or other organisations, or their works, and is not recommended listening for anyone, anywhere.
Is "loving your children equally" a mistake? Dr. Roger Smith argues that focusing on individuality, not equality, is the key to effective parenting. He discusses how understanding each child's unique personality and needs—using tools like the Five Love Languages of Children—is more important than treating them all the same. Learn how to tailor your love, encouragement, and even correction to fit each child, fostering a stronger, more effective parent-child relationship. Visit me at: https://rogersmithmd.com/ This has been a production of ThePodcastUpload.com
Today, on Karl and Crew, we continued our weekly theme of “Family Relationships” with discussions about Biblical sexuality, intimacy, unconditional love, love languages, and relationships. We also heard from listeners as we asked them to share their experiences with unconditional love and their memorable moments with their fathers. We were then joined by Dr. Juli Slattery this morning to answer listener questions about love, intimacy, and relationships. Dr. Slattery is a clinical psychologist, author, and the President and Co-founder of Authentic Intimacy ministry. She is an expert in biblical sexuality and hosts a weekly podcast called Java with Juli. Dr. Gary Chapman joined us to discuss his experiences as a father and how applying the love languages to fatherhood helped him break unhealthy patterns and create healthy interactions with his children. Dr. Chapman is a well-known marriage counselor, speaker, pastor, and author of the New York Times bestseller, “The Five Love Languages.” He is also the host of "Building Relationships," which airs every Saturday at noon CT on Moody. Dr. Chapman has also authored several other books, including “A Simple Guide for a Better Marriage: Quick, Practical Insights Every Couple Needs to Thrive.” You can hear the highlights of today's program on the Karl and Crew Showcast. If you're looking to hear a particular segment from the show, look at the following time stamps: Listener Stories (Unconditional Love Experiences) [09:21-36:31] Dr. Gary Chapman Interview (Love Languages and Fatherhood) [ 40:33-01:01:02 ] Listener Stories (Father Moments) [01:01:06- 01:05:33] Dr. Juli Slattery Interview (Biblical Sexuality and Intimacy Q&A) [ 01:05:42-01:17:24 ]Donate to Moody Radio: http://moodyradio.org/donateto/morningshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Discover all of the podcasts in our network, search for specific episodes, get the Optimal Living Daily workbook, and learn more at: OLDPodcast.com. Episode 2663: Evan Marc Katz explores the emotional and practical dilemma faced by women dating men who openly reject the idea of marriage. Drawing from personal coaching experiences, he challenges the notion of waiting for someone to change and empowers women to take control of their long-term relationship goals before more time is lost. Read along with the original article(s) here: https://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/marriage/how-long-should-you-stay-with-a-boyfriend-who-does-not-believe-in-marriage Quotes to ponder: "If marriage is important to you, then being with a man who doesn't believe in it is a non-starter." "You're allowed to want what you want. You're just not allowed to expect someone else to provide it if they don't want the same thing." "You can't spend your life hoping that someone else changes; you can only control your own actions." Episode references: Attached by Amir Levine and Rachel Heller: https://www.amazon.com/Attached-Science-Adult-Attachment-YouFind/dp/1585429139 The Five Love Languages by Gary Chapman: https://www.amazon.com/Five-Love-Languages-Secret-Lasts/dp/080241270X Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Dr. Gary Chapman shares insights from his bestselling book, The Five Love Languages. He offers a humorous look at his own marriage and advice on how you can experience a deeper level of intimacy with your spouse. Receive the book The 5 Love Languages: The Secret to Love that Lasts and the audio download of the broadcast "How the Love Languages Can Revolutionize Your Marriage" for your donation of any amount! Plus, receive member-exclusive benefits when you make a recurring gift today. Your monthly support helps families thrive. Get More Episode Resources If you've listened to any of our podcasts, please give us your feedback.