Podcast appearances and mentions of John List

After killing his family in the winter of 1971, John List went on the run, initiating a worldwide manhunt that would last nearly twenty years before he was finally apprehended. In that time, the List case would become one of the largest and most notorious investigations since the kidnapping of the Lindbergh baby. References Associated Press. 1972. "John List is still missing and local police are baffled." Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), February 22: 9. —. 1972. "Highjack-slaying ties denied." Press of Atlantic City, January 15: 4. Bailey, Bruce. 1972. "Worldwide hunt fails to find Wrstfield exec." The Star-Ledger (Newark, NJ), June 11: 1. Balog, Kathy. 1990. "The confession to his pastor was the most damning of all." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), April 13: 1. Benford, Timothy, and James Johnson. 1991. Righteous Carnage: The List Murders in Westfield. New York, NY: Scribner. Bullock, Marilyn, and Bruce Bailey. 1971. "The Lists were a neighborhood mystery." The Star-Ledger (Newark, NJ), December 9: 11. Chung, Connie. 2002. 1971 family killer breaks silence. February 20. Accessed August 1, 2026. https://abcnews.com/2020/story?id=132646&page=1. Cohen, Robert. 1971. "'Daddy, you're all I have left...'." The Star-Ledger (Newark, NJ), December 12: 1. —. 1971. "Husband hunted in mass slaying." The Star-Ledger (Newark, NJ), December 9: 1. Douthat, Strat. 1989. "The fugitive." Los Angeles Times, June 18: 2. Fiedler, Lore. 1973. "John List disappearance still unsolved." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), December 3: 11. —. 1971. "Westfielder sought in slaying of 5." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), December 8: 1. Hampton, Pat. 1980. "After 9 years, John List still a suspect-and still a mystery." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), December 6: 5. Hann, Christopher. 1989. "For stunned neighbors, news of arrest hits home." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), June 2: 7. LA Times Wire Service. 1989. "Suspect in family-slaying may be famed D.B. Cooper." Los Angeles Times, June 30. McNeel, John M. 1976. "What ever happened to John List." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), October 15: 11. Romano, Mary. 1989. "For the family, a chapter closes, a wound reopens." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), June 2: 1. Stout, David. 2008. "John E. List, 82, killer of 5 family members." New York Times, March 25. Sullivan, Joseph. 1990. "Slaying suspect saw 2 choices, doctor testifies." New York Times, April 7: 30. —. 1990. "Suspect wrote about killing family in '71." New York Times, March 29. Talmont, Tek, and Jill Vejnoska. 1990. "Attorney admits client is John List." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), February 15: 1. The Courier-News. 1990. "Two specialists describe List." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), April 10: 1. The Courier-Times. 1976. "Psychic gleaned varied impressions of List." The Courier-Times (Bridgewater, NJ), October 15: 11. Thompson, Robert. 1972. "List case unsoved after seven months." The Courier-News (Bidgewater, NJ), June 28: 1. Vejnoska, Jill. 1990. "Defense: List killed with love in his heart." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), April 3: 1. —. 1990. "Doctor recounts List's getaway." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), April 11: 1. —. 1990. "Doctor: Stressed List just snapped." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), April 7: 1. —. 1989. "FBI nabs John List." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), June 2: 1. —. 1990. "Letter: List shot family, prayed." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), March 29: 1. —. 1990. "List 'didn't trust God' to help him." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), April 6: 1. —. 1990. "List guilty." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), April 13: 1. —. 1989. "Prime-time spotlight focuses on long-time fugitve John Lisr." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), May 22: 1. —. 1989. "Westfield cops hope TV can help catch John List." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), April 14: 1. Wirt, George. 1977. "5-Year hunt: Cops 'haven't forgotten' slaughter of famil." The Star-Ledger (Newark, NJ), May 30: 10. Yates, Terry, and Robert Thompson. 1971. "'Nobody knew them too well'." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), December 8: 1. Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In early December 1971, after a month of watching the lightbulbs in the List house slowly burn out one after another, neighbors finally became concerned about the List family and called the Westfield, NJ police to report their suspicions. Acting on the calls, officers arrived at house on the morning of December 7 to perform a wellbeing check, and when no one answered the door, they managed to gain access to the house through a basement window.  When they reached the first floor, the officers found the bodies of the List family—including the couple's three children—dead from gunshot wounds to the head they'd suffered a month earlier. Noticeably absent from the remains in the house were those of the family patriarch, John List. In his office, investigators discovered a letter List had written to the pastor of his local church, in which he claimed to have murdered his family in order to spare them the pain of living in a world he believed had become corrupt and morally bankrupt. References Associated Press. 1972. "John List is still missing and local police are baffled." Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), February 22: 9. —. 1972. "Highjack-slaying ties denied." Press of Atlantic City, January 15: 4. Bailey, Bruce. 1972. "Worldwide hunt fails to find Wrstfield exec." The Star-Ledger (Newark, NJ), June 11: 1. Balog, Kathy. 1990. "The confession to his pastor was the most damning of all." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), April 13: 1. Benford, Timothy, and James Johnson. 1991. Righteous Carnage: The List Murders in Westfield. New York, NY: Scribner. Bullock, Marilyn, and Bruce Bailey. 1971. "The Lists were a neighborhood mystery." The Star-Ledger (Newark, NJ), December 9: 11. Chung, Connie. 2002. 1971 family killer breaks silence. February 20. Accessed August 1, 2026. https://abcnews.com/2020/story?id=132646&page=1. Cohen, Robert. 1971. "'Daddy, you're all I have left...'." The Star-Ledger (Newark, NJ), December 12: 1. —. 1971. "Husband hunted in mass slaying." The Star-Ledger (Newark, NJ), December 9: 1. Douthat, Strat. 1989. "The fugitive." Los Angeles Times, June 18: 2. Fiedler, Lore. 1973. "John List disappearance still unsolved." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), December 3: 11. —. 1971. "Westfielder sought in slaying of 5." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), December 8: 1. Hampton, Pat. 1980. "After 9 years, John List still a suspect-and still a mystery." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), December 6: 5. Hann, Christopher. 1989. "For stunned neighbors, news of arrest hits home." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), June 2: 7. LA Times Wire Service. 1989. "Suspect in family-slaying may be famed D.B. Cooper." Los Angeles Times, June 30. McNeel, John M. 1976. "What ever happened to John List." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), October 15: 11. Romano, Mary. 1989. "For the family, a chapter closes, a wound reopens." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), June 2: 1. Stout, David. 2008. "John E. List, 82, killer of 5 family members." New York Times, March 25. Sullivan, Joseph. 1990. "Slaying suspect saw 2 choices, doctor testifies." New York Times, April 7: 30. —. 1990. "Suspect wrote about killing family in '71." New York Times, March 29. Talmont, Tek, and Jill Vejnoska. 1990. "Attorney admits client is John List." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), February 15: 1. The Courier-News. 1990. "Two specialists describe List." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), April 10: 1. The Courier-Times. 1976. "Psychic gleaned varied impressions of List." The Courier-Times (Bridgewater, NJ), October 15: 11. Thompson, Robert. 1972. "List case unsoved after seven months." The Courier-News (Bidgewater, NJ), June 28: 1. Vejnoska, Jill. 1990. "Defense: List killed with love in his heart." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), April 3: 1. —. 1990. "Doctor recounts List's getaway." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), April 11: 1. —. 1990. "Doctor: Stressed List just snapped." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), April 7: 1. —. 1989. "FBI nabs John List." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), June 2: 1. —. 1990. "Letter: List shot family, prayed." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), March 29: 1. —. 1990. "List 'didn't trust God' to help him." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), April 6: 1. —. 1990. "List guilty." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), April 13: 1. —. 1989. "Prime-time spotlight focuses on long-time fugitve John Lisr." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), May 22: 1. —. 1989. "Westfield cops hope TV can help catch John List." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), April 14: 1. Wirt, George. 1977. "5-Year hunt: Cops 'haven't forgotten' slaughter of famil." The Star-Ledger (Newark, NJ), May 30: 10. Yates, Terry, and Robert Thompson. 1971. "'Nobody knew them too well'." The Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), December 8: 1. Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

“MK Confidential” begins with a man who is actively getting away with murder. John List arrives in Denver and politely applies for a new Social Security card, under a new name. Robert P. Clark. The people of Denver will never suspect that the quiet, fastidious man who drifted into town aboard a train is a wanted fugitive. For weeks, while the bodies of his wife, mother, and three children lie on the floor of their family home, John builds a new life around his new name. He picks up work as a night cook line, then in a country club kitchen. Eventually, he reenters the accounting world, telling a series of half-truths about his past. He finds a Lutheran church in Denver, and meets the lovely Delores Miller, a divorcée who finds Bob Clark faithful and trustworthy. They marry in Maryland, where her parents live, and where John married the wife he would later kill. The image of John List haunts the people of Westfield, and the legend only grows with time. Many on the police force take the case personally; two detectives take it to the TV show, “America's Most Wanted.” After 18 years on the run, even the missing man's face is a mystery — until now. This is Episode 4 of the John List story. Lean: Discover why LEAN is becoming the choice for real weight‑loss results—shop now at https://TAKELEAN.com use code KELLY AquaTru: Head to https://AquaTru.com & use code MKC for 20% off your purifier and a 30-day best-tasting water guarantee. Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKelly Twitter: https://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShow Instagram: https://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShow Facebook: https://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow 
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“MK Confidential” finds a fugitive at work, balancing books at an accounting firm in Richmond, Virginia. It's Thursday, June 9, 1989, around midday. Three federal men in suits approach the receptionist's desk and ask to speak with Bob Clark. They search the compliant accountant and ask plainly, “Are you John List?” The man denies it, but his fingerprints say otherwise. After 18 years on the run, the Westfield annihilator is found, and now in custody. The trial of John List begins nearly a year later, in April of 1990. His defense does not dispute that he murdered his wife, mother, and children in 1971 — though List will not use the word “murder” himself. The lawyer claims his religious fervor did not allow him to consider any alternative to saving their souls. Once List decided he could send his family to heaven by shooting them to death, the defense argues, there was no turning back. The leaders who mentored List, under whose teaching he sat on Sunday mornings and taught in Sunday School, take the stand. They demonstrate how the very faith List claims as a fortress is built on shifting sand. The jury will decide his fate. This is Episode 5 of the John List story. AquaTru: Head to https://AquaTru.com & use code MKC for 20% off your purifier and a 30-day best-tasting water guarantee. Lean: Discover why LEAN is becoming the choice for real weight‑loss results—shop now at https://TAKELEAN.com use code KELLY Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKelly Twitter: https://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShow Instagram: https://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShow Facebook: https://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow 
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“MK Confidential” opens with the words of a killer. John List narrates the morning of Tuesday, November 9, 1971, the day his carefully laid plans to kill each member of his family will become reality. By the end of it, his mother, wife, and three children will all lie dead on the floor of Breeze Knoll. Megyn Kelly steps through the day, piece by piece, as John bookends his day with murder — his wife and mother before breakfast, his children after lunch — and runs through a list of ordinary errands befitting a man about to leave town. He fields two unexpected phone calls and more resistance than he anticipated. He cooks, eats, and cleans up after dinner in the kitchen where he shot his wife. He writes letters detailing their deaths. Then, the next morning, he vanishes. Weeks later, the FBI puts out John List's face across America, on a flier that describes a six-foot, gray-haired accountant, armed and considered very dangerous. Tips come back by the hundreds, with sightings from Oregon to England. Each one turns out to be somebody else. John List, who murdered his entire family and then slept soundly in his stately Victorian house, simply steps out of the known world. This is Episode 3 of the John List story. Home Title Lock: Go to https://hometitlelock.com/megyn and use promo code MEGYN to get a FREE title history report and a FREE TRIAL of their Triple Lock Protection. AquaTru: Head to https://AquaTru.com & use code MKC for 20% off your purifier and a 30-day best-tasting water guarantee. Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKelly Twitter: https://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShow Instagram: https://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShow Facebook: https://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow 
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Tonight's “MK Confidential” begins at the police station in Westfield, New Jersey, in the wee hours of the morning. It is the summer of 1971, and officers have brought in two teenage girls for smoking cigarettes. Both girls' fathers arrive to claim them; one looks like he came straight from bed, and the other sports a coat and tie. John List has come to pick up his daughter, Patricia. He is furious, afraid that she is slipping away from the life and the faith he wants for her. He doesn't tell her to “Go to Hell,” but that she is already going there on her own. Megyn Kelly traces the story of John List back to its beginning, in a cold, small Michigan town off of Lake Huron. From his German Lutheran upbringing to service in the Army to accounting degrees in Ann Arbor, List becomes the forgettable face atop the ever-present coat and tie. He meets and marries Helen and sets out to build the life he thinks he should have, and fails. His failures push him from city to city and state to state, until the Lists reach for a beautiful, dilapidated house on a hill in Westfield. There, his beautiful life falls apart entirely. John List sees his wife succumb to disease, his prospects evaporate, his daughter drift from the church, and his bank account dry up. From there, he decides there is only one way to save his family: to remove their chance to stray further from the life they were meant to live. This is Episode 2 of the John List story. Home Title Lock: Go to https://hometitlelock.com/megyn and use promo code MEGYN to get a FREE title history report and a FREE TRIAL of their Triple Lock Protection. Lean: Discover why LEAN is becoming the choice for real weight‑loss results—shop now at https://TAKELEAN.com use code KELLY Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKelly Twitter: https://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShow Instagram: https://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShow Facebook: https://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow 
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More households in low-income countries own a mobile phone than have electricity or clean water.  So why is education one of the last places it has been put to work?Jenny Aker (Cornell) and Noam Angrist (Oxford) are the academic leads on a J-PAL Policy Insight that reviews 30 studies of mobile phone programmes in education. They tell Tim Phillips that the cheapest option, blasting out SMS messages, is usually the one that fails. But put a real person on the other end of the line, and that's an effective and inexpensive way to improve education. The phone is a platform, Angrist points out, not a pedagogy.The research behind this episode:Abdul Latif Jameel Poverty Action Lab (J-PAL). 2026. "Leveraging Mobile Phones for Learning." J-PAL Policy Insight. Academic leads Jenny Aker and Noam Angrist; insight authors Jessica Williams and Demitria Wack.To cite this episode:Phillips, Tim, Jenny Aker, and Noam Angrist. 2026. "Using mobile phones to support teachers, parents, and students." VoxDev Talks (podcast).About the guestsJenny Aker is the Daniel G. Sisler Professor of Development Economics at Cornell University. She is also a non-resident fellow at the Center for Global Development and co-chair of the Digital Identification and Finance Initiative at J-PAL Africa. Her research spans mobile technology and agricultural markets, adult literacy and numeracy, financial inclusion, and the design of cash transfers and social protection in Africa.Noam Angrist is Academic Director of the What Works Hub for Global Education and Senior Research Fellow at the University of Oxford, and co-founder of Youth Impact, one of the largest NGOs scaling health and education programmes backed by randomised trial evidence. His research spans distance education, the measurement of implementation, and how programmes that work in a trial can be made to work at national scale.Research and concepts cited in this episodeOne Laptop per Child. The plan to put a cheap laptop in the hands of every child in the developing world, launched in 2005 and abandoned as evidence of its effect on learning failed to appear. Angrist raises it as the cautionary tale for anyone introducing a device: the schools could not absorb it, the software was an afterthought, and nobody planned for charging or breakage. Phones avoid that problem because they are already there, so the marginal cost of adding good pedagogy is low. A long-term follow up from rural Peru found no positive effect on educational outcomes.Mobile coverage. GSMA. 2025. "The State of Mobile Internet Connectivity 2025." Around 95% of the world's population now lives within range of a broadband network. In sub-Saharan Africa coverage is about 80% and adoption about 60%, and what people mostly hold is a simple handset rather than a smartphone.Phone tutoring in emergencies. Angrist, Noam, Micheal Ainomugisha, Sai Pramod Bathena, Peter Bergman, Colin Crossley, Claire Cullen, Thato Letsomo, Moitshepi Matsheng, Rene Marlon Panti, Shwetlena Sabarwal, and Tim Sullivan. 2023. "Building Resilient Education Systems: Evidence from Large-Scale Randomized Trials in Five Countries." NBER Working Paper 31208, revised 2025. Weekly maths texts combined with live tutoring calls raised test scores by 0.30 to 0.35 standard deviations at an average cost of US$11 per child. SMS on its own moved the needle only where access to learning was already very low.Scaling up without the drop. The first Botswana phone tutoring trial produced an effect of about 0.12 standard deviations; by the fifth replication, in Uganda, Angrist says the effect was over 0.8, and implementation fidelity data improved in step with the order of the studies. He sets this against the voltage drop described by John List in The Voltage Effect (2022), the tendency of programmes to lose their punch as they scale. Common, Angrist argues, but not inevitable.A/B testing the tutoring call. Angrist, Noam, Claire Cullen, and Janica Magat. 2025. "Cheaper (and More Effective) by the Dozen: Evidence from 12 Randomised A/B Tests Optimising Tutoring for Scale." What Works Hub for Global Education Working Paper 2025/001. Roughly half the cost of a tutoring programme goes on scheduling rather than teaching. One call of 40 minutes every fortnight, instead of 20 minutes every week, delivered the same dosage for less. Handing the call to a parent partway through doubled to tripled the effect; motivational nudges to parents did nothing.Monitoring teachers by phone. Aker, Jenny C., and Christopher Ksoll. 2019. "Call Me Educated: Evidence from a Mobile Phone Experiment in Niger." Economics of Education Review 72: 239 to 257. Weekly calls to the teacher, the village chief and two students raised maths and reading scores. The counter-example comes from Côte d'Ivoire, where nudging parents and teachers at the same time left the most motivated teachers turning up less; too much scrutiny, the authors suggest, corroded the motivation the programme depended on.Platform and pedagogy. Angrist's phrase for the distinction the review keeps returning to. The phone carries an intervention; it is not the intervention. Targeted instruction and early childhood stimulation both travel down the line, but somebody still has to decide how often to call, who picks up, and what happens on the call. The same traffic makes the phone a good instrument for research, since the data is traceable and the units of randomisation are well powered.Education Cannot Wait. The United Nations fund for education in emergencies and protracted crises. Its 2022 global estimate put 222 million crisis-affected children and adolescents in need of urgent education support, up from about 75 million in 2016. Angrist uses the same figure in the five-country paper, and cites it here to make the point that the humanitarian structures for education in emergencies exist while the evidence base underneath them barely does.More VoxDev Talks episodesHow AI can put 20 years of development evidence to work. Iqbal Dhaliwal on why One Laptop per Child failed, and what that failure should teach anyone now betting on AI in development.Why we need to invest in foundational learning. Benjamin Piper on the gap between getting children into school and getting them to read, which is the gap most of these phone programmes are trying to close.Related reading on VoxDev.orgHow simple technologies can improve learning: Evidence from Niger, in which Jenny Aker and Christopher Ksoll show that a weekly call to teachers and students almost doubled the effect of an adult education programme.Educating children in emergencies: Global evidence from five randomised trials, the five-country evidence on cheap phone tutoring that runs through much of this conversation.How AI tutors improved learning in Nigeria, on a six-week after-school programme in Edo State that produced large gains in English, and on the guardrails that made it work.

"MK Confidential" opens on December 7th, 1971, as a car turns up a dark driveway in Westfield, New Jersey. A drama teacher named Ed Illiano leaves his headlights pointed at a nineteen-room Victorian mansion called Breeze Knoll. One of his students has shared a secret he cannot shake. Days before she vanished, sixteen-year-old Patricia List said her father was going to kill her and her two brothers. She said it the way a person reports a fact. The drama teacher and a patrolman climb through an unlocked window. The first thing they notice is the smell. The second is the music: Wagner, piped into every room over the home intercom. Behind a drape in the ballroom, a flashlight settles on a child's face. Four bodies lie side by side on Boy Scout sleeping bags, arranged in the shape of a cross. A fifth is upstairs. Everyone who lives here is accounted for, except the father, the accountant who wore a coat and tie to mow his lawn. His name is John List. Megyn Kelly goes inside a town of thirty-three thousand that has not seen a murder in eight years, and inside the family the neighbors thought they knew. Police find two fired handguns and a five-page letter. It tells them exactly who did this, and exactly why. It does not tell them where he went. This is Episode 1 of the John List story. Home Title Lock: Go to https://hometitlelock.com/megyn and use promo code MEGYN to get a FREE title history report and a FREE TRIAL of their Triple Lock Protection. Lean: Discover why LEAN is becoming the choice for real weight‑loss results—shop now at https://TAKELEAN.com use code KELLY Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKelly Twitter: https://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShow Instagram: https://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShow Facebook: https://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow 
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 He was a quiet accountant, a devoted churchgoer, and by all appearances, an ordinary family man. But behind that carefully maintained image, John Emil List was hiding financial ruin, desperation, and a deadly plan. In 1971, he murdered his entire family, vanished without a trace, and lived under a new identity for nearly two decades before his capture. This is the chilling story of one of America's most infamous family annihilators—and the long hunt that finally brought him to justice. 

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A heads-up before you press play: this is a bonus crossover from my true crime podcast, Murder on the Couch, dropping into your Virtual Couch / Waking Up to Narcissism feed. It's heavier than usual and opens with a disturbing familicide case that I don't sugarcoat, so if that's not where you are right now, it's completely okay to sit this one out and come back when you're ready. If you stay, I use the case to get at the things we talk about all the time—shame, compartmentalization, the altruistic defense, emotional immaturity, and differentiation—because the behavior is horrific, but the psychology underneath it is deeply human. John List killed his wife, his mother, and his three children—then walked away convinced God would understand. Murder on the Couch is back. Licensed therapist Tony Overbay reopens one of true crime's most chilling family annihilation cases, but not for the manhunt or the famous 18 years List spent hiding in plain sight as "Bob Clark." Tony sits with the question that actually keeps him up at night: how does a devout, rule-following Sunday school teacher reach a place where murder becomes, in his own mind, the most loving thing he could do? If you've ever performed "fine" while something was quietly falling apart inside you, this one lands closer to home than you'd expect. In this episode: Untangle guilt ("I did something bad") from shame ("I am bad")—and why shame left in the dark only grows heavier Spot the "altruistic defense": how control and harm get repackaged as love, devotion, and protection See how rigidity, compartmentalization, and a performed self can hollow a person out long before any crisis hits Learn the ACT distinction between the conceptualized self (the story) and the observing self (the awareness)—and why List had no one home to catch him when the story collapsed Drawing on acceptance and commitment therapy, David Schnarch's work on differentiation, and Richard Rohr's reframe of shame, Tony brings 600-plus episodes of clinical insight to the cases that won't let him go. Shame grows in concealment and shrinks in connection. And Tony's looking for a co-host—if a case has gotten under your skin and you know why, email contact@tonyoverbay.com and pitch it. 00:00 Bonus Episode Setup 00:21 Murder on the Couch Returns 02:56 Content Warning and Themes 05:53 John List Case Opens 08:46 Show Relaunch and Co-Host Invite 12:40 John List Background and Unraveling 17:31 Compartmentalization Explained 19:53 Shame Versus Guilt 24:21 ACT Defusion and Healing 25:47 Shame Architecture of John List 28:21 Altruistic Defense and Covert Narcissism 30:49 Narcissistic Injury 31:26 Altruistic Defense 35:32 Love Versus Control 36:29 Rigidity Explained 38:08 Rules And Fragility 42:06 Eighteen Years Hidden 45:40 Conceptualized Self 48:35 Excavating The Self 52:56 Why This Case Haunts 54:31 Faith And Performance 58:07 Tell The Truth 59:41 Closing And Co-Hosts Please follow Tony on Instagram @virtual.couch on Tiktok @virtualcouch on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/tonyoverbaylmft and on Substack https://thevirtualcouch.substack.com/ You can reach out to Tony through his website tonyoverbay.com or by emailing contact @ tonyoverbay.com

A heads-up before you press play: this is a bonus crossover from my true crime podcast, Murder on the Couch, dropping into your Virtual Couch / Waking Up to Narcissism feed. It's heavier than usual and opens with a disturbing familicide case that I don't sugarcoat, so if that's not where you are right now, it's completely okay to sit this one out and come back when you're ready. If you stay, I use the case to get at the things we talk about all the time—shame, compartmentalization, the altruistic defense, emotional immaturity, and differentiation—because the behavior is horrific, but the psychology underneath it is deeply human. John List killed his wife, his mother, and his three children—then walked away convinced God would understand. Murder on the Couch is back. Licensed therapist Tony Overbay reopens one of true crime's most chilling family annihilation cases, but not for the manhunt or the famous 18 years List spent hiding in plain sight as "Bob Clark." Tony sits with the question that actually keeps him up at night: how does a devout, rule-following Sunday school teacher reach a place where murder becomes, in his own mind, the most loving thing he could do? If you've ever performed "fine" while something was quietly falling apart inside you, this one lands closer to home than you'd expect. In this episode: Untangle guilt ("I did something bad") from shame ("I am bad")—and why shame left in the dark only grows heavier Spot the "altruistic defense": how control and harm get repackaged as love, devotion, and protection See how rigidity, compartmentalization, and a performed self can hollow a person out long before any crisis hits Learn the ACT distinction between the conceptualized self (the story) and the observing self (the awareness)—and why List had no one home to catch him when the story collapsed Drawing on acceptance and commitment therapy, David Schnarch's work on differentiation, and Richard Rohr's reframe of shame, Tony brings 600-plus episodes of clinical insight to the cases that won't let him go. Shame grows in concealment and shrinks in connection. And Tony's looking for a co-host—if a case has gotten under your skin and you know why, email contact@tonyoverbay.com and pitch it. 00:00 Bonus Episode Setup 00:21 Murder on the Couch Returns 02:56 Content Warning and Themes 05:53 John List Case Opens 08:46 Show Relaunch and Co-Host Invite 12:40 John List Background and Unraveling 17:31 Compartmentalization Explained 19:53 Shame Versus Guilt 24:21 ACT Defusion and Healing 25:47 Shame Architecture of John List 28:21 Altruistic Defense and Covert Narcissism 30:49 Narcissistic Injury 31:26 Altruistic Defense 35:32 Love Versus Control 36:29 Rigidity Explained 38:08 Rules And Fragility 42:06 Eighteen Years Hidden 45:40 Conceptualized Self 48:35 Excavating The Self 52:56 Why This Case Haunts 54:31 Faith And Performance 58:07 Tell The Truth 59:41 Closing And Co-Hosts Please follow Tony on Instagram @virtual.couch on Tiktok @virtualcouch on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/tonyoverbaylmft and on Substack https://thevirtualcouch.substack.com/ You can reach out to Tony through his website tonyoverbay.com or by emailing contact @ tonyoverbay.com

In 1971, a quiet suburban home in Westfield became the center of one of the most chilling family annihilation cases in American history.This is the story of John List, a deeply religious, seemingly respectable accountant, husband, and father who methodically murdered his entire family inside their mansion, then disappeared without a trace.For nearly 18 years, he lived under a new identity while authorities had no clear idea what he looked like, where he went, or how he managed to evade capture for so long.This episode explores: • The financial collapse that triggered the unraveling of the List household • The psychological and religious justification behind the murders • The calculated, step-by-step execution of the crime • How List successfully erased himself from his own identity • The breakthrough involving forensic sculptor Frank Bender and America's Most Wanted • The final capture and conviction after nearly two decades on the runThis case isn't just about murder it's about shame, control, identity, and how outward respectability can conceal unimaginable violence.Because sometimes the most dangerous people are the ones no one ever suspects.When Killers Get Caught is a true crime podcast focused on the people, psychology, and moments behind violent crimes and what happens when the darkness finally meets the light.Follow and join the conversation:

In the winter of 1971, Westfield, New Jersey found itself right in the middle of a world-wide manhunt. The fugitive, who murdered his entire family, left a note justifying the killings as mercy on their souls for the financial ruin that would soon befall them. It would take an international TV show and one very keen neighbor to capture the man that had evaded police for nearly two decades. Instagram: @CousinsonCrimePodcastEmail: CousinsonCrime@gmail.comTheme Music by AleXZavesaFor Bonus Content, Join our Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/CousinsOnCrimeCheck out our merch store! https://cousinsoncrime-shop.fourthwall.com/?Sources:https://allthatsinteresting.com/john-listForensic Files https://tubitv.com/tv-shows/438027/s01-e09-the-list-murdershttps://www.upi.com/Archives/1990/04/05/Sister-in-law-Accused-family-killer-dominated-by-bedridden-wife/2883639288000/https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/23081/helen-list/photohttps://scholar.lib.vt.edu/VA-news/ROA-Times/issues/1990/rt9004/900410/04100195.htmhttps://www.nytimes.com/1971/12/09/archives/5-in-jersey-family-slain-husband-sought-5-in-jersey-family-are.htmlhttps://law.justia.com/cases/new-jersey/appellate-division-published/1990/270-n-j-super-252-0.htmlhttps://www.facebook.com/reel/1252366263467063 (America's Most Wanted John List Bust Sculpture) https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=785731889202802 (snippet of John List interview)https://nypost.com/2002/02/20/thirty-years-ago-the-dad-in-this-picture-killed-his-whole-family-and-disappeared-i-thought-i-wont-be-caught/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N51976UzQ5ghttps://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-06-18-mn-3671-story.html

In the winter of 1971, Westfield, New Jersey found itself right in the middle of a world-wide manhunt. The fugitive, who murdered his entire family, left a note justifying the killings as mercy on their souls for the financial ruin that would soon befall them. It would take an international TV show and one very keen neighbor to capture the man that had evaded police for nearly two decades. Instagram: @CousinsonCrimePodcastEmail: CousinsonCrime@gmail.comTheme Music by AleXZavesaFor Bonus Content, Join our Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/CousinsOnCrimeCheck out our merch store! https://cousinsoncrime-shop.fourthwall.com/?Sources:https://allthatsinteresting.com/john-listForensic Files https://tubitv.com/tv-shows/438027/s01-e09-the-list-murdershttps://www.upi.com/Archives/1990/04/05/Sister-in-law-Accused-family-killer-dominated-by-bedridden-wife/2883639288000/https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/23081/helen-list/photohttps://scholar.lib.vt.edu/VA-news/ROA-Times/issues/1990/rt9004/900410/04100195.htmhttps://www.nytimes.com/1971/12/09/archives/5-in-jersey-family-slain-husband-sought-5-in-jersey-family-are.htmlhttps://law.justia.com/cases/new-jersey/appellate-division-published/1990/270-n-j-super-252-0.htmlhttps://www.facebook.com/reel/1252366263467063 (America's Most Wanted John List Bust Sculpture) https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=785731889202802 (snippet of John List interview)https://nypost.com/2002/02/20/thirty-years-ago-the-dad-in-this-picture-killed-his-whole-family-and-disappeared-i-thought-i-wont-be-caught/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N51976UzQ5ghttps://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-06-18-mn-3671-story.html

Psychics keep wedging themselves into police cases — and grieving families pay the price. Nick Pell explains the grift on Skeptical Sunday!Welcome to Skeptical Sunday, a special edition of The Jordan Harbinger Show where Jordan and a guest break down a topic that you may have never thought about, open things up, and debunk common misconceptions. This time around, we're joined by writer and researcher Nick Pell!Full show notes and resources can be found here: jordanharbinger.com/1329On This Week's Skeptical Sunday:Psychic detective work traces back to 19th-century spiritualism, which surged after the Civil War and WWI as a grief-coping mechanism — part therapy, part pop religion, part proto-reality TV. The post-WWII pulp era rebranded it as "science," birthing the modern psychic detective archetype.The genre's most-cited "successes" — Etta Smith in the Melanie Uribe case, Dorothy Allison on the John List murders, and Noreen Renier's many TV appearances — all collapse under scrutiny. Police never credited any of them with usable leads, and Allison reportedly tried to bribe cops to vouch for her.Sylvia Browne is the cautionary tale that turns this from harmless grift into genuine harm. She told Amanda Berry's mother her daughter was dead in 2004 — Amanda was alive, held captive in Cleveland until 2013. Mom died never knowing. Browne botched the Shawn Hornbeck case too.Four mechanisms explain every "psychic solved it" story: confirmation bias (remembering hits, forgetting misses), post-hoc reasoning (vague claims retrofitted to fit), emotional vulnerability of grieving families, and Barnum statements — deliberately vague phrases like "I see water" that let your brain fill in the blanks.Real cases get cracked by forensic evidence, behavioral profiling, and community tip lines — the unsexy, methodical work that rarely makes headlines. Families seeking closure are better served by counseling and victim support than by false hope, and learning to spot the four tells above makes anyone a sharper media consumer.Connect with Jordan on Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube. If you have something you'd like us to tackle here on Skeptical Sunday, drop Jordan a line at jordan@jordanharbinger.com and let him know!And if you're still game to support us, please leave a review here — even one sentence helps! Sign up for Six-Minute Networking — our free networking and relationship development mini course — at jordanharbinger.com/course!Subscribe to our once-a-week Wee Bit Wiser newsletter today and start filling your Wednesdays with wisdom!Do you even Reddit, bro? Join us at r/JordanHarbinger!This Episode Is Brought To You By Our Fine Sponsors: Lufthansa Allegris: Go to Lufthansa.com and search for "Allegris" to learn moreSimpliSafe Home Security: 50% off + 1st month free: simplisafe.com/jordanWhatnot: Start selling today: whatnot.com/sellZipRecruiter: Learn more at ziprecruiter.com/jordanSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Have you taken a Lyft, shopped at Walmart, or used Facebook in the last decade? If so, you've likely been a participant in one of John List's experiments. In this episode of The Pie, List, Professor of Economics and Director of the Becker Friedman Institute, returns to discuss his new 900-page textbook, Experimental Economics: Theory in Practice — the field guide he wishes he'd had as he pioneered the use of real-world experiments to figure out what moves human behavior across policy and business. From a Wisconsin baseball-card table in 1985 to the White House, Lyft, and Walmart, List shares the lessons, mistakes, and ethical questions that have shaped three decades of discovery.

John List meticulously murdered his entire family in 1971 before fleeing the state, creating an entirely new life for himself, and avoiding arrest for nearly 18 years.How did he manage to get away with his atrocious crimes? What was his motive for killing his wife, three children and his mother? When he later remarried under a different persona, did his new wife ever suspect him to be a killer?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Super Beetles have long been one of the most misunderstood—and often underappreciated—air-cooled Volkswagens here in the United States. But if you look across the pond, or even dig into certain corners of the hardcore VW scene, the story is completely different. Built from 1971 to 1977, the Super Beetle was actually Volkswagen's most advanced evolution of the classic Beetle platform. With its MacPherson strut front suspension, improved handling, and increased comfort, it marked a major leap forward in performance and drivability. Yet despite those advancements, it never quite earned the respect it deserved in the U.S.—while in Europe, it's celebrated, raced, and even has its own dedicated series: the Kafer Cup. On this episode, we sit down with John List, one of the original founders of SuperBeetlesOnly.com, to dive deep into what makes the Super Beetle special. We talk about the platform's untapped potential, the best performance upgrades, and how parts from other Volkswagen and Porsche models can be adapted to take these cars to the next level. If you're into German Look Beetles, suspension tuning, or just want to understand why the Super Beetle might be the most overlooked performance VW out there—this episode is packed with insight, real-world experience, and inspiration to rethink everything you thought you knew about the Super.

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Tanja stellt euch heute Richard Trenton Chase vor.. auch bekannt als Vampire von Sacramento.. Was es mit dem Jogurt Becher auf sich hat..?! hört selbst. Matze berichtet von John List der nach der Ermordung seiner Familie tatsächlich fast 18 Jahre ein ganz normales Leben führen konnte..

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Hoje a João conta à Paula a história do contabilista e pai de família John List, que planeou e executou a morte de toda a sua família, e conseguiu desaparecer para começar uma nova vida. Mas também a incrível história de como foi apanhado.*o audio deste episódio apresentava problemas na primeira versão, e já foi corrigido*

According to the TIAA Institute, American adults correctly answered just 49% of basic financial questions in 2024, suggesting a fundamental gap in economic literacy. In this episode Robert Shimer, Professor of Economics at the University of Chicago, and John List, Professor of Economics and Director of the Becker Friedman Institute, discuss Economics for Everyone, a groundbreaking program that teaches economic reasoning without the math. From classroom experiments that predict market equilibrium to 60 professional videos watched worldwide and teacher training programs across Chile, Colombia, and Saudi Arabia, they explore how economic thinking shapes everything from Instagram scrolling to tariff policy, and why critical thinking about causality versus correlation has never been more important.

On November 9, 1971, a man named John List got to work killing his entire family. After killing his wife Helen, his mother Alma, and his children Patricia, John Frederick, and Frederick, he vanished. In 1989, List was arrested and ultimately convicted of the murders.Today, we speak with a longtime listener with a unique perspective on this case: He corresponded with John List while the family annihilator served his life sentence in prison.Shoutout to Andy — one of our beloved patrons — who was kind enough to come on the show. Thank you, Andy!Check out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsPre-order our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Get a box of tissues, and your strongest emotional armor, because today we're getting a broader understanding of one the darkest kinds of killer- the family annihilator. Often pretending to be the perfect dad, the perfect spouse until they lose control and everyone pays the price. Chris Watts, Josh Powell, John List & the more recent horrifying crimes that continue. Why does this happen? How are there more annihilators than school shooters? And how do we change a system that blames women and children for their own deaths? CW: child abuse, child death, sexual assault, domestic violence, suicide Sources:Men Who Murder Their Families: What the Research Tells Ushttps://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/230412.pdfFamilicide: When Domestic Abusers Kill Their Families and Sometimes, Themselveshttps://www.domesticshelters.org/articles/identifying-abuse/familicide-when-domestic-abusers-kill-their-families-and-sometimes-themselvesThe Scandalous Truth about Nichol Kessingerhttps://youtu.be/QiJFUHELNCk?si=5zQgrfnRL2F2Wc0AAnnie Elise, 10 to LifeChris & Shannan Watts appeared to be in love https://youtu.be/QiJFUHELNCk?si=5zQgrfnRL2F2Wc0AABC NewsWhat are family annihilators https://youtu.be/kHhL0tUeojk?si=-vL1BJaxNMWuX0rFNetflix The Watts Family Tragedyhttps://youtu.be/dSI_5IuhsHI?si=3xYofOuqbNsHoN6eBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/broads-next-door--5803223/support.

In this episode of the Crack House Chronicles Donnie and Dale discuss family annihilator John List. List was an American mass murderer and long-time fugitive. On November 9, 1971, he killed his wife, mother, and three children in their Westfield, New Jersey home, then disappeared. He had planned the murders so meticulously that nearly a month passed before anyone suspected that something was amiss. https://www.crackhousechronicles.com/ https://linktr.ee/crackhousechronicles https://www.tiktok.com/@crackhousechronicles https://www.facebook.com/crackhousechronicles Check out our MERCH! https://www.teepublic.com/user/crackhousechronicles Sources: https://allthatsinteresting.com/john-list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_List_ https://medium.com/@natasha.leigh/family-annihilator-eluded-police-for-5-years-john-list-13cf735b7a15 https://macabreatmidnight.medium.com/john-list-b469834957fc        

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It's a haphazard way of paying workers, and yet it keeps expanding. With federal tax policy shifting in a pro-tip direction, we revisit an episode from 2019 to find out why. SOURCES:John List, economist at the University of Chicago.Michael Lynn, professor of consumer behavior and marketing at Cornell University's School of Hotel Administration.Uri Gneezy, economist at the University of California, San Diego's Rady School of Management.Danny Meyer, founder of Union Square Hospitality Group, and founder and chairman of the board of Shake Shack. RESOURCES:"How ‘No Tax on Tips' Will Affect Waiters, Drivers and Diners," by Julia Moskin (New York Times, 2025).“The Drivers of Social Preferences: Evidence from a Nationwide Tipping Field Experiment,” by Bharat Chandar, Uri Gneezy, John List, and Ian Muir (The National Bureau of Economic Research, 2019).“Design and Analysis of Cluster-Randomized Field Experiments in Panel Data Settings,” by Bharat Chandar, Ali Hortacsu, John List, Ian Muir, and Jeffrey Wooldridge (The National Bureau of Economic Research, 2019).“The Effects of Tipping on Consumers' Satisfaction with Restaurants,” by Michael Lynn (The Journal of Consumer Affairs, 2018).“The Importance of Being Marginal: Gender Differences in Generosity,” Stefano DellaVigna, John List, Ulrike Malmendier, and Gautam Rao (The American Economic Review,  2013).“Restaurant Tipping and Service Quality: A Tenuous Relationship,” by Michael Lynn (The Cornell Hotel and Restaurant Administration Quarterly, 2001). EXTRAS:“The No-Tipping Point,” by Freakonomics Radio (2016).“Should Tipping Be Banned?” by Freakonomics Radio (2013).

How hard is it to disappear after killing someone? But what if the victims were your own family? The idea of vanishing after such a crime seems unfathomable—yet some manage it, at least for a while. Few cases illustrate this more chillingly than those of John List and Robert Fisher, two men accused of murdering their families and slipping into the shadows. So it has happened before and will undoubtedly happen again, which takes us to today's case.  It was a quiet Monday morning in Washington, D.C., on March 1, 1976, when William Bradford Bishop Jr.—a rising foreign service officer at the State Department—received the news that would, according to investigators, set a horrific plan in motion. He'd been passed over for a promotion. By mid-afternoon, Bishop told his secretary he was feeling unwell. Colleagues noted that he seemed agitated. One of them, Roy Harrell Jr., would later become the last confirmed person to see him. Bishop left the Foggy Bottom building and disappeared. What followed was a meticulously planned crime. Join Jen and Cam of Our True Crime Podcast as we discuss ‘From Diplomat to FBI's Most Wanted: William Bradford Bishop.' Listener discretion by @octoberpodVHS Music is by our EP @theinkypawprint Sources: https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/01/AR2006030102328_4.html https://people.com/william-bradford-bishop-people-magazine-investigates-murder-family-fbi-wanted-8763135 http://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/series/brad-bishop/The-Hunt-for-William-Bradford-Bishop-254259061.html http://www.nbcwashington.com/video/#!/news/local/William-Braford-Bishop-Added-to-FBI-s-Ten-Most-Wanted-List/254741211 https://web.archive.org/web/20130407061938/http://www.amw.com/pdf/brad-bishop-letter-from-bankston.pdf http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ex-us-diplomat-murder-suspect-added-to-fbis-most-wanted/ http://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/series/brad-bishop/Inside-the-Evidence-Room-in-the-Hunt-for-William-Bradford-Bishop-254602021.html https://archive.org/details/anatomyofmotivef00doug http://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/14FA438034ACC1A8 https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/brad-bishop/fbi-confirms-nc-woman-is-accused-killer-william-bradford-bishops-daughter/2807832/ https://www.newspapers.com/clip/74885288/bishop-wanted/ https://www.thewashingtondailynews.com/2014/04/11/the-bradford-bishop-mystery/ https://web.archive.org/web/20140416143734/http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2014/april/william-bradford-bishop-added-to-fbi-top-ten-list/william-bradford-bishop-added-to-fbi-top-ten-list/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/01/AR2006030102328_4.html https://people.com/william-bradford-bishop-people-magazine-investigates-murder-family-fbi-wanted-8763135 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In 1971, devout churchgoer, doting father, and seemingly mild-mannered accountant John List calmly murdered his entire family - his wife, his mother, and his three children - in their New Jersey mansion. He then vanished without a trace, leaving behind a chilling confession letter and a perfectly staged crime scene where the bodies lay undiscovered for nearly a month. What drove this "respectable" man to such horror? And how did he manage to disappear for 18 years, starting a brand-new life while his crimes faded into cold case infamy? This episode dives into one of America's most cold-blooded family annihilators - a man who traded his soul for control, and thought God would forgive him for it. If you would like to support us on Patreon and gain access to exclusive bonus content, you can find us here: www.patreon.com/seeingredpodcast If you would like to GIFT a Patreon membership to a special someone, head to www.patreon.com/seeingredpodcast/gift If you would like to buy us a coffee (or wine!), hit the link below: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.buymeacoffee.com/seeingredtw⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Get your merch here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.seeingredpodcast.co.uk⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Theme music arranged and composed by Holly-Jane Shears - check her work out at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.soundcloud.com/DeadDogInBlackBag⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Co-Producer: Ade Parsley Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In 1971, devout churchgoer, doting father, and seemingly mild-mannered accountant John List calmly murdered his entire family - his wife, his mother, and his three children - in their New Jersey mansion. He then vanished without a trace, leaving behind a chilling confession letter and a perfectly staged crime scene where the bodies lay undiscovered for nearly a month. What drove this "respectable" man to such horror? And how did he manage to disappear for 18 years, starting a brand-new life while his crimes faded into cold case infamy? This episode dives into one of America's most cold-blooded family annihilators - a man who traded his soul for control, and thought God would forgive him for it. If you would like to support us on Patreon and gain access to exclusive bonus content, you can find us here: www.patreon.com/seeingredpodcast If you would like to GIFT a Patreon membership to a special someone, head to www.patreon.com/seeingredpodcast/gift If you would like to buy us a coffee (or wine!), hit the link below: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.buymeacoffee.com/seeingredtw⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Get your merch here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.seeingredpodcast.co.uk⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Theme music arranged and composed by Holly-Jane Shears - check her work out at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.soundcloud.com/DeadDogInBlackBag⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Co-Producer: Ade Parsley Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Get a box of tissues, and your strongest emotional armor, because today we're getting a broader understanding of one the darkest kinds of killer- the family annihilator. Often pretending to be the perfect dad, the perfect spouse until they lose control and everyone pays the price. Chris Watts, Josh Powell, John List & the more recent horrifying crimes that continue. Why does this happen? How are there more annihilators than school shooters? And how do we change a system that blames women and children for their own deaths? CW: child abuse, child death, sexual assault, domestic violence, suicide Sources:Men Who Murder Their Families: What the Research Tells Ushttps://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/230412.pdfFamilicide: When Domestic Abusers Kill Their Families and Sometimes, Themselveshttps://www.domesticshelters.org/articles/identifying-abuse/familicide-when-domestic-abusers-kill-their-families-and-sometimes-themselvesThe Scandalous Truth about Nichol Kessingerhttps://youtu.be/QiJFUHELNCk?si=5zQgrfnRL2F2Wc0AAnnie Elise, 10 to LifeChris & Shannan Watts appeared to be in love https://youtu.be/QiJFUHELNCk?si=5zQgrfnRL2F2Wc0AABC NewsWhat are family annihilators https://youtu.be/kHhL0tUeojk?si=-vL1BJaxNMWuX0rFNetflix The Watts Family Tragedyhttps://youtu.be/dSI_5IuhsHI?si=3xYofOuqbNsHoN6eLMNBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/broads-next-door--5803223/support.

Episode 176: John List: Family Annihilator (Part 3)Welcome to the third and final part of this series! In this episode, we discuss the investigators' efforts in tracking down John List, their appeal to America's Most Wanted, the call that changed it all, and John's ultimate capture. We cover the aftermath of his arrest and the trial that closed his case for good.Mental health emergency: 9-8-8Tune in to this episode to learn more! Email us at: abouttime4tc@gmail.comFollow us on IG: about.time.for.true.crime.podLinktreeDon't forget to rate, follow, download, and tell a friend!Sources

Episode 175: John List: Family Annihilator (Part 2)In part 2 of this series, we cover what really happened at the mansion in Westfield, the discovery of the bodies, and where John began anew. He lived as Robert (Bob) Clark, a stoic middle aged man who mostly kept to himself, until he found love again. He lived 18 years of freedom post-murders, how did he do it?Mental health emergency: 9-8-8Tune in to this episode to learn more! Email us at: abouttime4tc@gmail.comFollow us on IG: about.time.for.true.crime.podLinktreeDon't forget to rate, follow, download, and tell a friend!Sources

Episode 174: John List: Family Annihilator (Part 1)John List was a husband, a father, and a successful accountant. Firm in his religious beliefs, he led a disciplined life with strict adherence to his faith, that is, until one November day in 1971. In December, those who knew the List family took notice of their absence, having not heard from any of them in a month. Soon, a gruesome discovery would be made. In part 1, we discuss John's early life, his young adulthood, his marriage, professional life, and the build up of stress and rage that gave way to the murder of his family.Mental health emergency: 9-8-8Tune in to this episode to learn more!Email us at: abouttime4tc@gmail.comFollow us on IG: about.time.for.true.crime.podLinktreeDon't forget to rate, follow, download, and tell a friend!Sources

In this week's intriguing podcast episode, Autumn delves into the chilling story of John List, the man who erased himself and left behind devastation. Meanwhile, Erin uncovers a bizarre tale of love and confinement—an attic home to dark secrets for over ten years. What drives someone to such extremes? Join us as we explore these captivating narratives filled with mystery and suspense. You won't want to miss it!

Why do so many promising solutions in education, medicine, and criminal justice fail to scale up into great policy? And can a new breed of “implementation scientists” crack the code? SOURCES:Patti Chamberlain, senior research scientist at the Oregon Social Learning Center.John List, professor of economics at the University of Chicago.Lauren Supplee, former deputy chief operating officer at Child Trends.Dana L. Suskind, professor of surgery at the University of Chicago. RESOURCES:“How Can Experiments Play a Greater Role in Public Policy? 12 Proposals from an Economic Model of Scaling,” by Omar Al-Ubaydli, John List, Claire Mackevicius, Min Sok Lee, and Dana Suskind.“The Science of Using Science: Towards an Understanding of the Threats to Scaling Experiments,” by Omar Al-Ubaydli, John List, and Dana Suskind (The Field Experiments Website, 2019).“Inconsistent Device Use in Pediatric Cochlear Implant Users: Prevalence and Risk Factors,” by K.B.Wiseman and A.D. Warner-Czyz (U.S. National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health, 2018). EXTRAS:"Why Do Most Ideas Fail to Scale?" by Freakonomics Radio (2022)."The Price of Doing Business with John List," by People I (Mostly) Admire (2022).Child Trends.Oregon Social Learning Center.T.M.W. Center for Early Learning and Public Health.The Field Experiments Website.

To outsiders, John List was a mild-mannered, church-going father of three whose oddest trait was mowing the lawn in a suit and tie. But then the bodies of his wife, mother and three children were uncovered rotting in the family's Westfield, New Jersey, home in late 1971. This was no whodunit: List left notes explaining not only what he'd done, but why he claimed he had to do it. Then he disappeared, becoming one of America's most wanted criminals. "Crimes of the Centuries" is a podcast from Grab Bag Collab exploring forgotten crimes from times past that made a mark and helped change history. You can get early and ad-free episodes on the Grab Bag Patreon page.  DON'T FORGET ABOUT THE CRIMES OF THE CENTURIES BOOK!  Order todayat www.centuriespod.com/book (https://www.centuriespod.com/book)! Follow us onInstagram and Twitter: @centuriespod Episode Sponsors: Cornbread Hemp. Right now, Crimes of the Centuries listeners can save 30% on their first order! Just head to cornbreadhemp.com/COTC and use code COTC at checkout. Home Chef. For a limited time, HomeChef is offering my listeners 18 Free Meals PLUS Free Dessert for Life and of course, Free Shipping on your first box! Go to HomeChef.com/COTC.

Reginald Dwayne Betts spent more than eight years in prison. Today he's a Yale Law graduate, a MacArthur Fellow, and a poet. His nonprofit works to build libraries in prisons so that more incarcerated people can find hope. SOURCES:Reginald Dwayne Betts, founder and director of Freedom Reads, award-winning poet, and lawyer. RESOURCES:Doggerel: Poems, by Reginald Dwayne Betts (2025).“The Poet Writing on Prison Underwear,” by Adam Iscoe (The New Yorker, 2023).The Voltage Effect, by John List (2022).“If We Truly Believe in Redemption and Second Chances, Parole Should Be Celebrated,” by Reginald Dwayne Betts (The Washington Post, 2021).Insurrections, by Rion Scott (2016).The Secret History of Wonder Woman, by Jill Lepore (2014).Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An Inquiry into Values, by Robert M. Pirsig (1974).The Black Poets, by Dudley Randall (1971).“For Freckle-Faced Gerald,” by Etheridge Knight (Poems from Prison, 1968).Felon: An America Washi Tale, by Reginald Dwayne Betts.Freedom Reads. EXTRAS:“Can a Moonshot Approach to Mental Health Work?” by People I (Mostly) Admire (2023).“Can Data Keep People Out of Prison?” by People I (Mostly) Admire (2023).“The Price of Doing Business with John List,” by People I (Mostly) Admire (2022).“Why Do Most Ideas Fail to Scale?” by Freakonomics Radio (2022).

Go to http://manscaped.com and use code TCP to get 20% off plus free shipping John List only thought about image to the point that he murdered his entire family and then went on the run. Yup. It's cuckoo pants, please enjoy. Send your scary stories to: mikeohhello@gmail.com  Researched by Benj Button Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thatchapterpodcast  Business enquires : thatchapter@night.co Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

BONUS EPISODE!Each episode is hosted by Kent Chungus, who brings you a new case in true TCK fashion, with a runtime perfect for your commute, lunch break, or corporate Zoom call.The same great TCK you know and love, with less jibber-jabber and more straight Kent, no chaser.What makes it different? Kent has curated a list of cases that fit perfectly within an hour.There's no skimping on detail or humor, just a heaping helping of new content, an exclusive show for our supporters.

BONUS EPISODE!Each episode is hosted by Kent Chungus, who brings you a new case in true TCK fashion, with a runtime perfect for your commute, lunch break, or corporate Zoom call.The same great TCK you know and love, with less jibber-jabber and more straight Kent, no chaser.What makes it different? Kent has curated a list of cases that fit perfectly within an hour.There's no skimping on detail or humor, just a heaping helping of new content, an exclusive show for our supporters.

Happy Thursday Besties! This week we gotta do a recap on both Babygirl and the Tiktok Ban Scare that haunted us this weekend, before hoping into the crazy cross over cases that we have for you today! One thing is for certain and that is the fact that TAY AND MORG ARE SO SYNCED that they unknowingly dipped their toes in each other's worlds today!! Morgan kicks us off with Henry the Wizard Harrison and William Dove with the juicest courtroom drama from the chronically bored 1800s folks. Before Tay wraps up 226 with the case of man who is the combination of John List and DB Cooper from the 1970s. Click HERE to check out the Letter from Bankston to Bishop.Thanks for joining us this week, talk to ya on Tuesday! If you feel so inclined, please leave us a 5 star review as a little kiss on the cheek! Love ya, BYE!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

It's time to Rewind with Karen & Georgia! This week, K & G recap Episode 29: Twenty-Nein. Karen covered the family-annihilator John List and Georgia discussed Warriena Tagpuno Wright who fell 14 floors to her death. Listen for all-new commentary, case updates and much more! Whether you've listened a thousand times or you're new to the show, join the conversation as we look back on our old episodes and discuss the life lessons we've learned along the way. Head to social media to share your favorite moments from this episode!   Instagram: instagram.com/myfavoritemurder   Facebook: facebook.com/myfavoritemurder TikTok: tiktok.com/@my_favorite_murder Now with updated sources and photos: https://www.myfavoritemurder.com/episodes/rewind-with-karen-georgia-episode-29-twenty-nein My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories, and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. The Exactly Right podcast network provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics, including true crime, comedy, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more. Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3UFCn1g. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We've all heard the advice that when you buy new clothes you should wash them first before you wear them. But what's the reason? Is it more of a “just to be safe” idea or is there a real concern? This episode begins with an explanation.https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2010/11/wash-and-then-wear-unwashed-clothes-may-have-formaldehyde/index.htm Understanding the science of weight loss has come a long way in just the past several years. It isn't just, “eat fewer calories than you burn.” There is a lot more to it than that. If you want to know the latest cutting-edge advice on losing weight and keeping it off, listen to my guest, Dr. Richard Johnson, who is at the forefront of research on obesity and diabetes. He is he is a medical doctor, a professor of medicine at the University of Colorado and author of the book, Why Nature Wants Us to Be Fat – The Surprising Science Behind Why We Gain Weight and How We Can Prevent – and Reverse It. (https://amzn.to/3tXHbCF).  You often hear business gurus talk about how important it is to make your business idea scalable. What does that mean? How do you make something scalable? It seems like many ideas are simply not scalable. And if an idea isn't scalable, can it still be great? John List is an economist (formerly with Lyft) who explains how ideas scale – or don't. He also explains how great businesses know how to pivot to stay competitive. John is author of the book The Voltage Effect: How to Make Good Ideas Great and Great Ideas Scale (https://amzn.to/3K3cCkT). Listen as he reveals some great examples of ideas that could and could not scale and how he helped Lyft scale their business.  Usually, you smile because you are happy. But it may also be true that you can be happy because you smile. And more importantly, smiling can also make you healthy. Listen and I will tell you how it works. https://www.verywellmind.com/top-reasons-to-smile-every-day-2223755 PLEASE SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS!!! INDEED:  Get a $75 SPONSORED JOB CREDIT to get your jobs more visibility at https://Indeed.com/SOMETHING  Support our show by saying you heard about Indeed on this podcast.  Terms & conditions apply. AURA: Save on the perfect gift by visiting https://AuraFrames.com to get $35-off Aura's best-selling Carver Mat frames by using promo code SOMETHING at checkout! SHOPIFY:  Sign up for a $1 per-month trial period at https://Shopify.com/sysk . Go to SHOPIFY.com/sysk to grow your business – no matter what stage you're in! MINT MOBILE: Cut your wireless bill to $15 a month at https://MintMobile.com/something! $45 upfront payment required (equivalent to $15/mo.).  New customers on first 3 month plan only. Additional taxes, fees, & restrictions apply. HERS: Hers is changing women's healthcare by providing access to GLP-1 weekly injections with the same active ingredient as Ozempic and Wegovy, as well as oral medication kits. Start your free online visit today at https://forhers.com/sysk PROGRESSIVE: The Name Your Price tool from Progressive can help you save on car insurance! You just tell Progressive what you want to pay and get options within your budget. Try it today at https://Progressive.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

How do you come back from being “canceled”? Are we more likely to forgive someone if they cry? And what makes a successful public apology?  SOURCES:Karen Cerulo, professor emeritus of sociology at Rutgers University.Bill Clinton, former president of the United States.David Gergen, professor emeritus of public leadership at the Harvard Kennedy School; former White House adviser to four U.S. presidents.Benjamin Ho, professor and chair of economics at Vassar College.Monica Lewinsky, activist.John List, professor of economics at the University of Chicago.Brandon Rottinghaus, professor of political science at the University of Houston. RESOURCES:"Slut-Shamed at 22, an Icon at 50 — How Monica Lewinsky Got Her Life Back," by Helen Rumbelow (The Times, 2024)."Do Scandals Matter?" by Brandon Rottinghaus (Political Research Quarterly, 2023)."Toward An Understanding of the Economics of Apologies: Evidence from a Large-Scale Natural Field Experiment," by Basil Halperin, Benjamin Ho, John List, and Ian Muir (The Economic Journal, 2022)."Embodied Remorse: Physical Displays of Remorse Increase Positive Responses to Public Apologies, but Have Negligible Effects on Forgiveness," by Matthew J. Hornsey, Michael J. A. Wohl, Emily A. Harris, Tyler G. Okimoto, Michael Thai, and Michael Wenzel (Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 2020)."Commentary: Time for Bill Clinton to Go Away," by Will Rahn (CBS News, 2018)."The Price of Shame," by Monica Lewinsky (TED Talk, 2015)."Apologies Demanded Yet Devalued: Normative Dilution in the Age of Apology," by Tyler G. Okimoto, Michael Wenzel, and Matthew J. Hornsey (Journal of Experimental Social Psychology, 2015)."Apologies of the Rich and Famous: Cultural, Cognitive, and Social Explanations of Why We Care and Why We Forgive," by Janet M. Ruane and Karen Cerulo (Social Psychology Quarterly, 2014). EXTRAS:"How to Optimize Your Apology," by Freakonomics Radio (2018)."Coal Digger," S1.E5 of Modern Family (2009).