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Imagine your work day starting off like any other only to find you've been laid off. What would you do next? Dave Stevens lived this reality a couple of years ago and joins us this week in episode 354 to share the lessons from that experience. We'll take you through how Dave processed the news of being laid off, the warning signs he missed, when he knew it was time to begin searching for a new role, how he thought about what to do next, and the critical importance of his personal and professional network throughout this process. Regardless of your age or the size of your professional network, Dave shares actionable suggestions for building professional connections that we all may be overlooking. Original Recording Date: 10-28-2025 Topics – Background and the Impact of a Layoff Event, Initial Forward Progress and Reliance on a Professional Network, Skills Gaps and Unexpected Positives, Elements of the Personal and Professional Network, Reaching Closure and Reflecting Back on the Lessons 2:27 – Background and the Impact of a Layoff Event Dave Stevens is a Field Solutions Architect at Pure Storage. In this role, Dave is a technical overlay for pre-sales technical personnel at Pure across North America. This is the role Dave took after he was impacted by a layoff. What was Dave's role before he was impacted by a layoff event? For context, the layoff event we discuss in this episode took place around 2.5 years before this recording. Dave was classified as a systems engineer or pre-sales technical resource at his employer supporting multiple account reps. It was more of a solutions architect type of role, and Dave highlights his entry into this organization and role was via acquisition. Was there an element of technical marketing to the role? Nick mentions that Dave often had to attend trade shows in this role. Dave had a virtualization background and went to a lot of events to discuss how his company's products integrated with those different technology ecosystems. The day Dave was laid off started as a normal day at his home office. His boss was based in Europe, so most 1-1 calls were usually late in the day his boss's time (early afternoon for Dave). A meeting popped up that was earlier than usual, but Dave didn't think anything of it. Right after Dave joined the remote session for the meeting, someone from HR joined followed by Dave's boss. Dave wasn't quite sure what to expect and didn't know what was happening. He didn't know if it was a layoff coming or some other kind of situation happening at his company. When Dave was laid off, they told him it was not for performance reasons, but there weren't really any other details provided on why he was being laid off. “So, at that point it was just like, ‘what do I do?'” – Dave Stevens, on receiving layoff news After receiving the news, Dave's access to company systems like e-mail was quickly cut off. He went downstairs and spent the rest of his day relaxing. Dave did not want to talk about what happened any further that first day. Did Dave struggle with separating his identity from his employer or the job he held at all when this happened? Dave says he did, at least a little bit. Dave wanted to be successful in whatever role he found himself, and the reason he was in the systems engineering role at the time of the layoff event is a result of his drive to be successful in the years leading up to that role. “I also wanted to make sure that…the people that I worked with that I enjoyed working with. If I didn't enjoy working with them, then there was no reason to continue staying there. So that's part of my identity on how I interact with work.” – Dave Stevens In the early days of Twitter (now X), Dave defined an identity there. He also created a personal blog. Dave says his identity was often tied to where he worked. “Once this all happened, I just kind of cut that off. And I needed some time to really digest what I just went through that day.” – Dave Stevens Is there something Dave wishes people had done for him when this first happened? Dave says he wishes he would have listened to his wife. Before experiencing the layoff event, a number of colleagues who had entered the company through acquisition like Dave were either leaving or had been laid off (including his boss being laid off). At the time, Dave didn't think much about these events. Dave's wife had encouraged him to look for other jobs before the layoff happened, and he feels he should have listened. “It's much easier finding a job when you have a job. There's not as much pressure on you. You can take your time and really find the job that you want. That's the one thing that kind of took me by surprise….” – Dave Stevens Did Dave's wife also point him in a direction or provide feedback on the type of work he should pursue? We've spoken to previous guests who had spouses that provided insight into the type of work that made them happy. Dave feels like there has been an element of this in place since he and his wife got married. When Dave got a job opportunity to relocate to the New Hampshire area, his wife had some interesting feedback. “It's great that you're going to make more than you're making at the job you are currently, but I don't want you to take a job just because of money. I want you to take a job because it's something you're interested in doing and you're going to be happy at. So, I've always kept that in the back of my mind every time I go and look for a job….” – Dave Stevens, quoting his wife's advice Dave considered this same advice when pursuing his current role at Pure. Because he enjoyed meeting and speaking with people during the interview process, the decision to accept the role was easy. Liking the people he would be working with was more important than a pay increase. 10:53 – Initial Forward Progress and Reliance on a Professional Network How long did Dave need to process before taking the first actions toward a new role? For the first 3 weeks or so, Dave relaxed a little bit. There were a number of projects at home that he needed to do and some that he wanted to do. Working on the projects helped take his mind off what had happened. Dave mentions he was given a severance for about 3 months and wanted to find a new role within that time period if possible. But if he could not find something in that time period, it would not be the end of the world. Dave tells us it was easier to find work when he was laid off than it is currently. Close to the time of this recording, AWS announced job cuts for up to 30,000 people. He made the conscious decision after those first few weeks to spend the first part of the day searching for new jobs and then continued working on different projects in the afternoons. How did Dave know who to reach out to first? Nick argues that most of us likely don't have a list of who we would call if something like this happened. When Dave came to the New England area, he started working for Dell in tech marketing. Through his work, Dave built a tight bond with many of his co-workers. Dave remembers sending a text message to many of his former co-workers (none of which were still at Dell) asking if they knew of any open opportunities. Dave wanted to understand what former colleagues were working on now and what the culture of their company was like. He started by seeking out people he already enjoyed working with and analyzed whether it made sense to go and work with them again. Was Dave open to different types of roles in his job search, or did that not matter? It had to be interesting work and involve people he wanted to work with or enjoyed working with. Dave says as long as it was something in the tech field, it didn't matter too much. Dave began his career in systems administration and tech support and had experience in the storage industry, with backups, and with Active Directory to name a few areas. He had also done technical marketing and was open to returning to it. Dave also looked at pre-sales systems engineering or solution architect roles. What about taking roles that moved him deeper into a business unit like product management? Dave says product management is interesting work, but depending on the company, the work may not always have the technical aspects he likes. Many of the product managers at Pure are quite technical, but most of the product management roles he observed at other companies were not as technical as he would like. “It just didn't interest me. It wasn't technical enough in nature for me.” – Dave Stevens, on moving into product management It sounds like Dave had done a good job of keeping in touch with people in his professional network over time. “I have always made sure to have a small group of folks that I can just reach out to at any time and…chat about anything…. I've always made sure to have that…. I didn't talk to them all the time, but we all interacted in some way, shape, or form whether it was an e-mail or text messaging…even some stuff on LinkedIn. We all kind of kept in touch…. I had people that I could fall back on and reach out to and get advice from if I needed to. This is the time where I really needed some advice on where to go to next.” – Dave Stevens Dave says he was lucky enough to find a new job before the end of his 3 months of severance pay. Dave's wife commented that she wasn't too worried about him. She knew he had a strong professional network. Did anyone in Dave's professional network ask him what he wanted to do next, or did they just start making recommendations based on what they knew about him? Dave says it was a little bit of both. Some people pointed Dave to specific open roles in the same group where they worked (still in tech, of course), while others directed him to the company job site and offered to act as a referral for him. Dave tells us he's very willing to give others a referral. “I want to make sure that people that I know and I like to work with come to work with me.” – Dave Stevens Dave says he also turned on the Open to Work banner on LinkedIn. While this did result in many recruiters reaching out to Dave, many of the opportunities they contacted him about were not interesting. Dave is hearing from many in our industry that bots are reaching out to people and trying to take advantage of them. His advice is that we need to be guarded in our interactions on LinkedIn as a result to avoid scams. 19:10 – Skills Gaps and Unexpected Positives What kinds of skills gaps did Dave see when seeking new opportunities? For context, this was roughly 2.5 years ago. Dave says at that time, AI wasn't as helpful as it is today and was not something that was interesting to him. Dave tells us he uses AI heavily today compared to back then. Dave felt confident in the knowledge and skillset he had built through years of industry experience. Ideally, he would land a new role that overlapped those areas, but if a new role required coming up to speed quickly, he would do what was needed. Dave started looking at public cloud and certifications related to Azure and AWS. “Although it was interesting, it wasn't really what I wanted to do.” – Dave Stevens, on public cloud technologies compared to the technologies with which he was familiar What were some of the unexpected positive outcomes of getting laid off even though it was difficult in the beginning? One positive, according to Dave, is the amount of people in his network he was able to reach out to on LinkedIn. So many people were open to helping. The only negative Dave thinks is maybe not acting quickly enough in starting his job search. “It's really about building not only your personal network but your professional network. And my professional network really came to my rescue and helped me understand that…it's not the end of the world. You're going to make it. You're going to do fine. But let me know if there's any way that I can help you in that journey that you're on right now.” – Dave Stevens Were there any things Dave and his wife had done (conscious or unconscious) to prepare for the layoff event based on market trends? Dave says his wife is very good at managing their home budget, and since they got married, they intentionally build a financial nest egg they could lean on in the event Dave was out of a job. 22:27 – Elements of the Personal and Professional Network What are some of the things Dave is even more intentional about now with his professional network than he was in the past? Dave received some great advice from a co-worker to reach out to one person in his professional network each week. Many times, Dave will do this on LinkedIn or even via text if he has the person's number. “Keep that personal connection going. As much as AI is taking over, as much as we do a lot of things on Zoom, I've learned over my years of working in the industry that there's nothing better than the face-to-face interaction…. It's so much more fun and relaxing to just get out of the office or home office…and just sit down with people and keep that personal connection going.” – Dave Stevens Dave mentions he likes to get together with co-workers in the area every now and then, even if they have the same conversation in person that they would have had on Zoom. It's different and more relaxing. How can younger listeners who may be trying to break into the industry build a professional network when they might not have a deep contact list or large network like someone in the industry for a long time? Nick and Dave talked about this before hitting record and thought it could be helpful to share during our discussion. Dave has a newfound perspective on this from being around his nephews and nieces. The job market is very different today than when Dave first began his career. “Nowadays, resumes just go into a black hole, and you don't necessarily know if you're still in the mix for a current job.” – Dave Stevens Dave has encouraged his nephews and nieces to leverage their personal network to build a professional network. He may know someone who knows someone in the field they want to pursue, for example. “There's no shame or harm in utilizing all your resources…. Utilize your personal network because you don't have the professional network built up yet to help you get that foot in the door.” – Dave Stevens Young people could even use their parents as a way to broaden their own network. It's an opportunity to get introduced to others. Dave uses the example of a chance meeting at a concert that could result in a new connection for someone. Nick would encourage younger listeners to get out to in-person meetup groups on any interesting topic. Go ask people what they are learning, why they work where they work, how they got there, and see if they have advice for you. Dave agrees and has leveraged both local professional groups and meetup groups in the New Hampshire area to meet new people. This is expanding your local professional network as Dave calls it (not to be confused with your global professional network) and is a great thing to do when you move to a new place. You never know when a conversation at a local meetup might help you get a warm lead on a job that will be posted soon. Did the layoff come up in interviews at all? How did Dave handle that? Dave says some people brought it up. In other cases, he brought it up in conversation, wanting people to know he was not let go for doing something wrong. 28:22 – Reaching Closure and Reflecting Back on the Lessons How did Dave know he had reached closure on the layoff situation? Dave thinks he was motivated to take action toward finding a job due to a fear of boredom. He had been working on various projects but knew he would run out of them at some point. Dave had enough time to adjust to not having a job, and he was ready to begin doing some kind of work again. “I didn't want to get bored. I hate being bored. I hate being bored at work. I hate being bored in general. That's really what the impetus was for me to go out and start looking…that fear of relaxing for too long and being bored.” – Dave Stevens At this point Dave reached further into his professional network beyond that first group of friends and former colleagues he mentioned earlier. Does taking action in a direction mean we're ready to move on from what happened? Is it when we have to discuss what happened in an interview, or is it something else? How do we measure this? Dave says it was easier to accept and felt mostly behind him when he was actively looking for a new position. He knew only he could take the actions to move forward. The feeling of what happened before went completely away when Dave accepted a new job at Pure. Dave feels he was very lucky to find a role. Lining up multiple interviews gave Dave momentum and a feeling of positivity. “I feel that people understand that I have the skills for these jobs. Otherwise, I wouldn't have gotten 5 job interviews as quickly after I really started taking action to look for a job. So, I got lucky.” – Dave Stevens If Dave had to do it all again, what would he do differently? Dave feels he has about 10 more years left working in the tech industry. For now, Dave enjoys the job he has, wants to excel doing it, and wants to continue growing. Dave currently works for the best boss he's had to date. “He not only pushes me, but he pushes our entire team to just get better….” – Dave Stevens, on his current manager Dave tells us he does not want to be a people manager or a product manager. “I want to continue to excel and expand my depth of knowledge across the virtualization industry and the storage industry.” – Dave Stevens The work at Pure is very interesting to Dave, which is also motivating him to continue learning and excelling. Part of this is using more AI-focused tooling as it becomes available to use. What does Dave think the role of AI tools is in helping with one's job search? There are a number of tools out there we can leverage to analyze our resume. Dave suggests keeping track of which tool we've used to analyze our resume because that could be used to train a model. In addition to this, use AI to research companies. Use them to help you understand what companies are like and what their culture is like. Many people in a sales role within Pure, for example, use an AI tool of some kind to learn more about their customers. Nick reiterates the nuances of acquisitions. Dave worked for a company that was acquired by another company. Over time there was a pattern of people from the company which was acquired being laid off. Perhaps this is a sign we should watch for and prepare. Dave says we need to be looking at and listening for the signs coming toward us. He listens to his wife more intently when she makes a suggestion. Dave continues to check in with people in his professional network and offers advice when they need it. Dave would encourage all of us to use our personal and professional network if we end up in the situation he was in (experiencing a layoff). “Not everybody is going to be able to help you or is willing to reach out and help you, but when someone does…don't just brush it aside as they want something out of this. They probably genuinely want to help you. So, take advantage….” – Dave Stevens If you want to follow up with Dave on this conversation, Connect with Dave on LinkedIn Check out Dave's blog site Mentioned in the Outro The three week period Dave took to work on projects may have been what gave him the clarity on the type of work he did and did not want to do once he began his search. Dave mentions getting some great advice from his wife and her emphasis on him pursuing roles that would make him happy and be enjoyable work. This echoes something similar to what Brad Christian shared in Episode 264 – Back to Basics: Technology Bets and Industry Relationships with Brad Christian (2/2) when it came to choosing what to do next after a layoff. If you enjoyed this format and want to hear other stories of people recounting their layoff experience, check out these episodes featuring Jason Gass. He talks about the lost art of supporting others in episode 343, which aligns very well with Dave's advice on building our personal and professional network. Episode 342 – Planting Seeds: Networking and Maneuvering Unexpected Job Loss with Jason Gass (1/2) Episode 343 – The Lost Art: Marketplace Heartbeat and Finding Closure after a Layoff with Jason Gass (2/2) Contact the Hosts The hosts of Nerd Journey are John White and Nick Korte. E-mail: nerdjourneypodcast@gmail.com DM us on Twitter/X @NerdJourney Connect with John on LinkedIn or DM him on Twitter/X @vJourneyman Connect with Nick on LinkedIn or DM him on Twitter/X @NetworkNerd_ Leave a Comment on Your Favorite Episode on YouTube If you've been impacted by a layoff or need advice, check out our Layoff Resources Page. If uncertainty is getting to you, check out or Career Uncertainty Action Guide with a checklist of actions to take control during uncertain periods and AI prompts to help you think through topics like navigating a recent layoff, financial planning, or managing your mindset and being overwhelmed.

How can we help recruiters advocate for us in a tough job market? According to people industry veteran Christy Honeycutt, our guest in episode 353, it starts with being kind and translating your experience into something a recruiter can understand. And even more importantly, it takes practice. In part 2 of our discussion with Christy, she translates deep experience in talent acquisition and recruitment that gives us insight into the current job market. You'll hear more details about the nuances of RPOs (recruitment process outsourcers), the difference between job hugging and job abandonment, and the importance of personal branding and differentiation. Stay until the end when Christy shares her reasons for turning down C-suite positions and how clarity on her long-term goals is carrying her forward into what's next. Now that you've heard someone model it for you, how will you translate your own experience? If you missed part 1 of our discussion with Christy, check out Episode 352 – People First: Systematizing Go-to-Market for Your Role with Christy Honeycutt (1/2). Original Recording Date: 09-30-2025 Topics – A Deeper Look at Recruitment Process Outsourcing (RPO), Translating Your Experience with 3 Wins, Bad Actors and Leadership in the People Industry, Today's Job Market and Life Outside the C-Suite 2:56 – A Deeper Look at Recruitment Process Outsourcing (RPO) When it comes to RPO (recruitment process outsourcing), is this a one-size-fits-all approach, or does it show up differently depending on what a company needs? In Christy's experience, most RPO organizations offer services like executive search, but they may offer full RPO, which usually involves hiring more than 500 people per year. Normally an RPO brings a mix of skills to the table. A client may want the RPO to take only talent acquisition or may want to control offer management, but they may want the RPO to take everything (attracting new talent, offer management, coordinating with HR for new employee onboarding). “If a company wants it a certain way, they can stop it at a certain point…. But most RPOs, full RPOs, is attraction to offer accepted and then it tees over to the HR team.” – Christy Honeycutt John has worked for companies where the recruitment or talent acquisition personnel were marked as contractors in the internal global address book but had company e-mail addresses. Would this mean the personnel are contracting directly with a company or working through an RPO? Christy says it could be either scenario. When she managed an RPO earlier in her career, they were most successful when the client encouraged the RPO to brand as the company. Someone might indicate they do recruitment for a specific company on LinkedIn but be an employee of an RPO. Christy tells us how important it is for the RPO to understand an organization's mission, vision, benefits, and culture because the RPO is often attracting talent and selling people on why they should apply and interview. “When you think about recruitment and talent acquisition, regardless, it's a lot of marketing because you've got a really cool position and you've got to find the perfect fit.” – Christy Honeycutt 5:55 – Translating Your Experience with 3 Wins Right now, recruiters and talent acquisition professionals have a distinct challenge. Many resumes look the same because candidates are using AI tools. “What people think is helping set them apart is actually making them look more similar. So now you've got recruiters and talent acquisition; they don't know if these are fake resumes. They don't know if they're real. And they're getting on the call with these people and finding out they are fake; they don't have any of this requirement.” – Christy Honeycutt Christy shares a little secret about learning recruitment. She gives the example of a recruiter needing to recruit for an executive level role in technology. Recruiters are encouraged to seek out and find the C-players to practice asking them questions, understand nuance, and grasp the terminology. This is a training exercise. Following this process, a recruiter would then have more credibility once they speak to the A-players they actually want to hire. “What I would encourage is if you are a C-player, you're not going to know it. Just be kind and know that the person you're talking to has never held a technical role (probably, most likely)…and might not understand half the stuff that you guys do. The acronyms aren't going to be the same. Just be gracious with them because the more you can help them translate your experience, the better you're going to be positioned to get you over the line…. They don't want to talk to 10 people to get 1 hire. They want to talk to 3 people to get a hire…. And remember that the TA, HR, recruiters, whatever you want to call them…there's a pretty good chance that they want to help you and that they're doing the job because they like people. And I think they get a bad rap.” – Christy Honeycutt Christy tells us about something called a slate (a group of 3-5 individuals who apply for a job that a recruiter will go and interview). Recruiters are using AI to help filter through applications. “The biggest thing I can tell you is be your own person. Be your own, authentic person. Have your stories of how you've shown up and shown out…. I tell everybody for every job that you've worked at, you need to have 3 wins…. Figure out…your top things that you accomplished at each role and have that and be ready to speak to it. And then…ask questions. Interview them too…. Make sure it's a culture fit for you.” – Christy Honeycutt Christy says things like the great resignation and quiet quitting are just behaviors that get repeated over time. Right now, there is a fearful state of job hugging. “We're job hugging. No one is hugging a job. People are trying to stay employed in the market. That's all it is.” – Christy Honeycutt Christy says if you are staying somewhere because you have a job and are not happy, figure out how to make yourself happy by determining it is not a fit, understanding your passions, and beginning your exit plan. “Companies are not our families. They are going to let us go. It's going to come down to the business.” – Christy Honeycutt It's important to keep the human element in mind if we are seeking a new role (the human element on both sides). Christy tells the story of a senior recruiter who called her about a conversation with a job candidate, and Christy knew the person was burned out, bored, and curious. “High performers are always open minded and curious, but if you fall in that category, figure it out sooner than later so you're not burning yourself out because then you're in a very dangerous situation. That job hugging is going to be job abandonment. You're going to get to boot. It's not going to be the other way around. It's just kind of level setting with your psyche.” – Christy Honeycutt 11:28 – Bad Actors and Leadership in the People Industry Going back to recruiters getting practice and experience from interviewing candidates, Nick looks at this from the lens that everyone needs at bats to gain experience. Though it may be batting practice for a recruiter, it is also practice for the candidate. We don't practice interviewing very often. Christy agrees it is practice on both sides and emphasizes that kindness is key. She's had multiple conversations with recruiters who didn't understand why a hiring manager did not want a specific candidate. We might never know all the effort a recruiter put into promoting us with a hiring manager. Some recruiters, however, should not be in their roles. Christy tells us about a time in her career when she was referred to as “The Kraken.” Christy managed a tight team of talent acquisition professionals who respected and loved her as a boss. They knew she had high expectations of her team. Christy's team members would have to launch programs for global clients within 30-60 days sometimes, for example. “So, my team had to be kind of like special ops because we managed the globe, and it was high pressure.” – Christy Honeycutt As she progressed in her career, Christy would be given individuals who were not performing on other teams. Before managing someone out of the business, Christy always gave people a chance to redeem themselves because until she met the person and they worked for her, she was only hearing one side of the story. Christy recounts being asked to join an RPO to clean it up. She met with each recruiter to understand the key metrics and performance indicators. Christy tells us that for any job opening (or job requisition) a recruiter was carrying at this time, they should be submitting 3-5 candidates for each job, and a manager would expect this within 2 weeks of the job opening. There was a specific recruiter who only submitted 2 candidates per week across 15 job openings, and Christy recounts the performance conversation with this person. “There are some people that are in roles that they shouldn't be that take advantage and kind of sit back….” – Christy Honeycutt As people gain seniority in talent acquisition and recruitment, sometimes you deal with people's egos. This is the exception and not the rule. John mentions it would probably be difficult to coast based on one's reputation in talent acquisition. Based on the metrics for success and open job requisitions, it should be obvious who is doing well and who isn't. Christy says this goes back to leadership. Maybe these individuals never had a boss who would hold them accountable. “If we go back to managers and leaders, most of them aren't trained, and a lot of them want to be liked.” – Christy Honeycutt Christy is the daughter of a Marine. This means the mission gets accomplished no matter what with the fewest amount of casualties. It's her job as the leader of a team to keep them focused on the mission and accomplishing it. Removing someone from the team may be the best option to keep the rest of the team on track in accomplishing a mission. “You're only as strong as your weakest link, so if your weakest link is not holding themselves accountable and respecting their team, then they're putting everybody else's jobs at risk. And unfortunately, there are bad actors in every industry, in every role, in every organization…and we've all seen them. They are like cancer. They really hurt retention. They hurt elevation. They are usually the ones taking credit, taking too long at lunch, whatever the case may be…we've all seen them…. It all comes down to behaviors.” – Christy Honeycutt Christy thinks leaders want to be liked and are afraid of having a complaint filed against them. For example, people might file a complaint because they were not doing their job and their manager held them accountable for not doing it. “It's weird to be in the people industry for so long because it's just behaviors. It's just humans.” – Christy Honeycutt Before someone shows up for work, we have no idea what may be going on in their life outside work. Christy encourages us to meet one another with more grace. “Those of you out there, if you're lucky enough to have a job and be employed, do the job. Because there's a lot of people that don't that will come in and do a better job than you. Honor yourself, honor your employer, and show up. But unfortunately, there's bad actors.” – Christy Honeycutt John directs the conversation back to hiring cycles. He has heard it's beneficial to apply for a job opening quickly and to be in the first wave of candidates but didn't really think about the why behind it. Christy tells us this varies based on the position, the job requirements, location, salary, and other factors. In fact, recruiters often have to reset unrealistic expectations from hiring managers (i.e. what a specific role salary should be). “If you think about a client and them opening a position, they probably needed that position 30 days before it was ever approved. So, there's already a ticking time on the recruiter whether that's fair or not because in the manager's mind that role opened the second they thought they needed it. Not when they requested it, not when it got approved, but when they realized in their brain, ‘I need this position filled,' that's when the clock starts for them. So, it's an unfair disadvantage for a recruiter.” – Christy Honeycutt Listen to Christy's description of a best-in-class 4-week process from job opening to making the right candidate an offer. 20:45 – Today's Job Market and Life Outside the C-Suite If we look at this through the lens of the current job market, how much do recruiters need to sell candidates on roles when there are hundreds of applications to sort through for a single job opening? “Tech is like recruitment, like marketing. It's always the first to go…until they realize…it went, and we need it. So, it's a boomerang effect with those industries…always has been, always will be.” – Christy Honeycutt Christy tells the story of being at the HR Tech conference with a young lady who was recently laid off from a tech company. This person walked from booth to booth and began networking with people in search of new roles and was able to leverage Christy to get some introductions. She had 5 interviews over the course of the 3-day event. “In the job market today, with recruiters not able to tell if it's an AI resume or not, with them being overloaded with a vast amount of resumes…the best thing that anybody can do is make sure that your personal brand is on point. Make sure that whatever it is that you're doing…you're sharing, you're engaging your community, and that you're seen doing it.” – Christy Honeycutt Christy was part of the same tech startup mentioned above and also lost her job. But she had been working on her personal brand before that happened. Christy was speaking at events, sharing with her community, doing podcasts, and doing many go-to-market things on behalf of her employer. Christy's heart goes out to others in her field who have been out of work for multiple years. Within 3 days of losing her role, Christy was offered 3 different C-suite positions. She turned them all down. “I've had that moment where I've realized that where I want to go and where I am are 2 different places…. If I put my focus on something, my energy is going to flow in that direction, and I need to make sure that's the direction I want to go…. Do I want to go be c-suite and kill myself for the next 4 years? …But the reason that gave me confidence is I'm 3 days without a job. I've got several job offers. And I realized, they don't care how I work with them. They just want to work with me, so why don't I go out on my own?” – Christy Honeycutt, on the internal discussions she's having after encountering job loss Christy understands she's in a gifted place only because she put in the work of giving back to her community before she was in a tough spot. Her efforts include things like hosting Inside the C-Suite and doing free mentoring and coaching for others. “It's because of all the goodwill I've done. My community paid it back tenfold. So set yourself apart in whatever it is that you're doing…. Where we are today is you have to have a differentiator, or you're going to be sitting on the shelf for 5 years.” – Christy Honeycutt Christy mentioned previously that it's lonely when someone takes a C-suite role. How did her conversations with executives on Inside the C-Suite together with her experience in talent acquisition and recruitment impact her decision to not take a C-suite role? Christy knows that she doesn't do anything halfway. If she were to take a C-suite role, she would be working 80 hours per week and traveling nonstop. Christy and her partner want to slow the pace down for their family, take time to travel, and do more purposeful things. She shares a story about Matthew McConaughey wanting to make the shift from romantic comedies to more serous roles to illustrate a shift of priority and focus. “Yeah, it crossed my mind. But it does not align with my long-term goal…. I realized I have a choice. You know, the universe has brought a lot of stuff to me. Is it because it's meant for me, or is it noise?” – Christy Honeycutt Christy has shown up, given to her community in a visible way, and found her voice. But taking a C-suite role right now is not where she wants to be. Some of the job offers Christy received came from people who had been on her podcast. Christy tells more of the story of being at HR Tech and the reactions people in the industry had to her being on the market. Christy plans to continue conversations with those people about ways they can work together moving forward. “I'm really good at certain things, which you guys have broken down and helped me understand. I repeatedly get asked for those things, and those are the things I like to do. So why not go do that? Why not go be a consultant and do the things that I really like to do for people and not do the things I don't like to do…? …I can just go do the fun stuff that they need my specialization in.” – Christy Honeycutt Christy wants to stay true to herself and honor the decision to increase bandwidth for her family. Many of the C-level executives Christy speaks to on her podcast love what they do, but they've had to learn to put themselves first. “I hear this more often than not. When they first start their organization, it's business business business. Their health fails. Their family fails. So, the ones that actually made it and recovered through that little spike and actually make it out on the other side very quickly flip to ‘take care of my body (my temple), my soul, my family, then my business. It's a battle for them.” – Christy Honeycutt At the time of this recording, Christy is thinking of starting her own firm, so she hopes she can take it slow enough to avoid these pitfalls. When we decide to slow the pace and do more of what we enjoy, can reflecting on those 3 wins from each previous job help us be confident that we can still get those wins without running at a hectic pace? Did Christy do this when thinking about what she wanted to do? Christy says she did not think about these for herself even though it would be her coaching to others in need of advice. “What I found interesting is that when you're looking for an answer, if you actually open your eyes, it's right there. It plays back to you. It plays back to you in conversations you have with people…. You often say what you need and what you want and where you're at, but you don't comprehend it. But if you hear someone you love, that you trust, repeat it back to you…it's almost like it gives you permission to accept it.” – Christy Honeycutt Sometimes instead of giving people advice, we need to act as a mirror and reflect back what they've said. Christy didn't need a C-level title. She doesn't need to go do something to prove she can do it. She's already done it. Christy understood she was ready for something different, even if it's a little bit scary to consider going out on one's own. “It's scary to put yourself out there like that, but if you don't, you'll never know. I'd rather try and fail and learn than regret and not know.” – Christy Honeycutt If you want to follow up with Christy on this conversation, you can find here: On LinkedIn On her website On the podcasts she hosts – Inside the C-Suite and StrategicShift Mentioned in the Outro Do you have 3 wins from each job or at least the past several jobs you've held? And do you know the stories that go along with these? There are prerequisites that must be met before we can speak to our wins in an interview. It starts with documenting our accomplishments on a regular basis. Consider what the 3 wins are from your accomplishment list. Maybe you have more than 3 or need to use a different set of 3 based on a job to which you're applying. Consider writing the story that goes with each win. It could be a resume bullet, but think of it as more detailed and something you can share in an interview. This is part of drafting a career narrative like Jason Belk suggested in Episode 284 – Draft Your Narrative: Writing and Building a Technical Portfolio with Jason Belk (2/2). We should not only write the draft but gain practice sharing the stories verbally in interviews, possibly conversations with our manager, and maybe even in conversations with industry peers at networking events (if and when appropriate). This is an iterative process! We like looking at conversations with recruiters as opportunities to practice telling our win stories. In the discussion with Christy, we heard about her experience losing a job. In Christy's case she had been giving to her network long before this happened in a very visible way. Maybe you are doing this in a less visible way. Consider documenting that work, but make the overall intent to help others and impact people positively. It will pay off later when you need help. Christy shared an exercise in finding clarity. She knew a C-suite role would not match the pace that was aligned with what her family wanted. It wasn't just about personal ambition. Remember to check out Christy's podcasts, Inside the C-Suite and StrategicShift. Contact the Hosts The hosts of Nerd Journey are John White and Nick Korte. E-mail: nerdjourneypodcast@gmail.com DM us on Twitter/X @NerdJourney Connect with John on LinkedIn or DM him on Twitter/X @vJourneyman Connect with Nick on LinkedIn or DM him on Twitter/X @NetworkNerd_ Leave a Comment on Your Favorite Episode on YouTube If you've been impacted by a layoff or need advice, check out our Layoff Resources Page. 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