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In this solo episode, host Corey Nathan shares a personal story that explores a fundamental question many of us face in political and relational discourse: “Do you want to be right, or do you want the relationship?” Prompted by a real-life interaction following his attendance at a local rally, Corey examines how we navigate our convictions, the costs of being “right,” and the cognitive, identity-based, and psychological roots that underlie our desire to win arguments—especially at the expense of connection.  What Is Discussed: The real story behind a tense political exchange among friends. The importance of prioritizing relationships over ideological victory. Key psychological and sociological reasons why people insist on being right. How identity, ego, and group affiliation shape our perceptions in political dialogue. Thoughtful strategies to promote civil discourse, even across ideological lines. Episode Highlights: [00:03:00] Corey describes the No Kings Rally in Santa Clarita and his motivation for attending. [00:05:00] A group text spirals into conflict after a friend posts a divisive meme about Democrats. [00:07:00] Corey challenges the assumptions being made and asserts his conservative identity. [00:10:00] The text conversation intensifies—Corey confronts the damaging generalizations. [00:13:00] He reflects on the absence of actual conversation and the importance of listening. [00:20:00] Corey shares research on cognitive biases like confirmation bias and bandwagon effect. [00:24:00] A powerful explanation of identity protective cognition and how it affects discourse. [00:29:00] The psychological roots of being “right”: ego, fear, insecurity, and narcissism. [00:31:00] A parable of two billy goats illustrates the cost of refusing to give ground. Featured Quotes: “Do you want to be right, or do you want the relationship?” “The endeavor that I care about is people exercising their First Amendment rights.” “If we were actually talking, you'd know this isn't even in my top 50 concerns.” “We don't need to diminish others to hold our convictions.”

In this solo episode, host Corey Nathan shares a personal story that explores a fundamental question many of us face in political and relational discourse: “Do you want to be right, or do you want the relationship?” Prompted by a real-life interaction following his attendance at a local rally, Corey examines how we navigate our convictions, the costs of being “right,” and the cognitive, identity-based, and psychological roots that underlie our desire to win arguments—especially at the expense of connection.  What Is Discussed: The real story behind a tense political exchange among friends. The importance of prioritizing relationships over ideological victory. Key psychological and sociological reasons why people insist on being right. How identity, ego, and group affiliation shape our perceptions in political dialogue. Thoughtful strategies to promote civil discourse, even across ideological lines. Episode Highlights: [00:03:00] Corey describes the No Kings Rally in Santa Clarita and his motivation for attending. [00:05:00] A group text spirals into conflict after a friend posts a divisive meme about Democrats. [00:07:00] Corey challenges the assumptions being made and asserts his conservative identity. [00:10:00] The text conversation intensifies—Corey confronts the damaging generalizations. [00:13:00] He reflects on the absence of actual conversation and the importance of listening. [00:20:00] Corey shares research on cognitive biases like confirmation bias and bandwagon effect. [00:24:00] A powerful explanation of identity protective cognition and how it affects discourse. [00:29:00] The psychological roots of being “right”: ego, fear, insecurity, and narcissism. [00:31:00] A parable of two billy goats illustrates the cost of refusing to give ground. Featured Quotes: “Do you want to be right, or do you want the relationship?” “The endeavor that I care about is people exercising their First Amendment rights.” “If we were actually talking, you'd know this isn't even in my top 50 concerns.” “We don't need to diminish others to hold our convictions.”

In this episode, host Corey Nathan welcomes back political consultant, author, and Substack contributor Mike Madrid. A renowned expert on Latino voters and co-founder of the Lincoln Project, Mike brings his profound insights on American politics, identity, and democracy. Together, Corey and Mike explore deeply personal stories, historical context, and present-day political dynamics, all while weaving in the emotional fabric that connects generations and communities. What We Discuss: The significance of personal and familial stories in shaping political perspective How Latino voters are reshaping American democracy The danger of authoritarian tendencies in U.S. governance Economic populism across ideological divides The importance of understanding and communicating with working-class communities Episode Highlights: [00:04:00] Mike Madrid shares a personal story of grief and connection through a pilgrimage to Madrid, New Mexico [00:08:00] Baseball as a bridge between generations and its deeper cultural significance [00:14:00] Inhumane immigration enforcement and its implications on American identity [00:22:00] A discussion on whether America is at a turning point for its soul and values [00:33:00] Vertical balance of power: Newsom vs. federal overreach in L.A. protests [00:45:00] Latino voters' top concerns: economy, housing, and healthcare [00:53:00] Economic populism through Ruben Gallego and Zoran Mamdani's campaigns [01:03:00] How to talk about politics and religion without killin' each other Featured Quotes: "Sometimes the stories we tell ourselves matter more than the facts we can verify." – Mike Madrid "This is our American story now. This is who we are... and if we're not speaking out, then we are individually complicit in it." – Mike Madrid "These are the moments when character is defined." – Mike Madrid "The best way to talk about politics and religion is to not talk about it through the lens of politics and religion." – Mike Madrid Resources Mentioned: Mike Madrid's Substack: The Great Transformation – greattransformation.substack.com The Latino Century (book by Mike Madrid) – www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Latino-Century/Mike-Madrid/9781668015278 Latino Vote Podcast – latinos.vote Reflections on Marines in LA by Roger Herbert – rogerherbert.substack.com/p/reflections-on-marines-in-la

In this episode, host Corey Nathan welcomes back political consultant, author, and Substack contributor Mike Madrid. A renowned expert on Latino voters and co-founder of the Lincoln Project, Mike brings his profound insights on American politics, identity, and democracy. Together, Corey and Mike explore deeply personal stories, historical context, and present-day political dynamics, all while weaving in the emotional fabric that connects generations and communities. What We Discuss: The significance of personal and familial stories in shaping political perspective How Latino voters are reshaping American democracy The danger of authoritarian tendencies in U.S. governance Economic populism across ideological divides The importance of understanding and communicating with working-class communities Episode Highlights: [00:04:00] Mike Madrid shares a personal story of grief and connection through a pilgrimage to Madrid, New Mexico [00:08:00] Baseball as a bridge between generations and its deeper cultural significance [00:14:00] Inhumane immigration enforcement and its implications on American identity [00:22:00] A discussion on whether America is at a turning point for its soul and values [00:33:00] Vertical balance of power: Newsom vs. federal overreach in L.A. protests [00:45:00] Latino voters' top concerns: economy, housing, and healthcare [00:53:00] Economic populism through Ruben Gallego and Zoran Mamdani's campaigns [01:03:00] How to talk about politics and religion without killin' each other Featured Quotes: "Sometimes the stories we tell ourselves matter more than the facts we can verify." – Mike Madrid "This is our American story now. This is who we are... and if we're not speaking out, then we are individually complicit in it." – Mike Madrid "These are the moments when character is defined." – Mike Madrid "The best way to talk about politics and religion is to not talk about it through the lens of politics and religion." – Mike Madrid Resources Mentioned: Mike Madrid's Substack: The Great Transformation – greattransformation.substack.com The Latino Century (book by Mike Madrid) – www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Latino-Century/Mike-Madrid/9781668015278 Latino Vote Podcast – latinos.vote Reflections on Marines in LA by Roger Herbert – rogerherbert.substack.com/p/reflections-on-marines-in-la

This was such a refreshing conversation with Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde. We recorded it just after she delivered the homily at the National Cathedral the day after the inauguration. Bishop Budde's candor, winsomeness and wisdom shines through in all circumstances - whether it's before a worldwide audience or upon earnest reflection of the impact of her ministry. And there's something healing in all of this. So it's certainly worth revisiting our discussion going into this national holiday weekend. Enjoy...   In this timely edition of Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other, host Corey Nathan welcomes Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde, the Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington, D.C., and the Washington National Cathedral. Bishop Budde is a well-respected spiritual leader who has appeared on PBS NewsHour, Meet the Press, Good Morning America, and The Today Show. The conversation dives into Bishop Budde's faith journey, her reflections on political and social issues, and her approach to leading with grace and courage in divisive times. The discussion also touches on the controversy surrounding her sermon and how she directly addressed Donald Trump at the National Cathedral following the 2025 presidential inauguration. What We Discuss Bishop Budde's personal faith journey, from her early religious experiences to her leadership in the Episcopal Church. The challenges of navigating faith, politics, and national unity in today's polarized climate. How to extend grace and practice mercy even in the face of criticism. The role of the church in advocating for social justice, particularly regarding immigration and LGBTQ+ rights. Strategies for engaging in difficult conversations while maintaining mutual respect. Episode Highlights [00:00:00] – Introduction to the episode and guest, Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde. [00:02:00] – Bishop Budde shares her faith journey and the struggles she faced reconciling different religious influences. [00:10:00] – The tension between faith and exclusivity: why some versions of Christianity felt limiting to her. [00:15:00] – The discipline of grace: choosing to respond with compassion rather than anger, even when faced with opposition. [00:26:00] – Bishop Budde's response to the 2025 presidential inauguration sermon controversy and the importance of speaking truth with love. [00:38:00] – Handling criticism and maintaining a sense of personal and spiritual balance. [00:52:00] – Finding hope in uncertain times: How we can cultivate a spirit of resilience and faith amid societal challenges. [00:55:00] – The importance of dialogue: How to foster better conversations across political and religious differences. [01:03:00] – Final thoughts and how to follow Bishop Budde's work. Featured Quotes "If it's not about love, it's not about God." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde "The discipline of grace is a practice, not a gift. It's about choosing to respond with love even when it's difficult." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde "To be raised from the dead—whatever that means in our own lives—requires our consent to live again, to have our hearts broken again, and to take on all of life again." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde "We need to ask ourselves: When was the last time I changed my mind? True dialogue requires being open to seeing the world differently." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde Resources Mentioned Bishop Budde's Book: How We Learn to Be Brave Episcopal Diocese of Washington – www.edow.org

This was such a refreshing conversation with Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde. We recorded it just after she delivered the homily at the National Cathedral the day after the inauguration. Bishop Budde's candor, winsomeness and wisdom shines through in all circumstances - whether it's before a worldwide audience or upon earnest reflection of the impact of her ministry. And there's something healing in all of this. So it's certainly worth revisiting our discussion going into this national holiday weekend. Enjoy...   In this timely edition of Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other, host Corey Nathan welcomes Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde, the Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington, D.C., and the Washington National Cathedral. Bishop Budde is a well-respected spiritual leader who has appeared on PBS NewsHour, Meet the Press, Good Morning America, and The Today Show. The conversation dives into Bishop Budde's faith journey, her reflections on political and social issues, and her approach to leading with grace and courage in divisive times. The discussion also touches on the controversy surrounding her sermon and how she directly addressed Donald Trump at the National Cathedral following the 2025 presidential inauguration. What We Discuss Bishop Budde's personal faith journey, from her early religious experiences to her leadership in the Episcopal Church. The challenges of navigating faith, politics, and national unity in today's polarized climate. How to extend grace and practice mercy even in the face of criticism. The role of the church in advocating for social justice, particularly regarding immigration and LGBTQ+ rights. Strategies for engaging in difficult conversations while maintaining mutual respect. Episode Highlights [00:00:00] – Introduction to the episode and guest, Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde. [00:02:00] – Bishop Budde shares her faith journey and the struggles she faced reconciling different religious influences. [00:10:00] – The tension between faith and exclusivity: why some versions of Christianity felt limiting to her. [00:15:00] – The discipline of grace: choosing to respond with compassion rather than anger, even when faced with opposition. [00:26:00] – Bishop Budde's response to the 2025 presidential inauguration sermon controversy and the importance of speaking truth with love. [00:38:00] – Handling criticism and maintaining a sense of personal and spiritual balance. [00:52:00] – Finding hope in uncertain times: How we can cultivate a spirit of resilience and faith amid societal challenges. [00:55:00] – The importance of dialogue: How to foster better conversations across political and religious differences. [01:03:00] – Final thoughts and how to follow Bishop Budde's work. Featured Quotes "If it's not about love, it's not about God." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde "The discipline of grace is a practice, not a gift. It's about choosing to respond with love even when it's difficult." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde "To be raised from the dead—whatever that means in our own lives—requires our consent to live again, to have our hearts broken again, and to take on all of life again." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde "We need to ask ourselves: When was the last time I changed my mind? True dialogue requires being open to seeing the world differently." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde Resources Mentioned Bishop Budde's Book: How We Learn to Be Brave Episcopal Diocese of Washington – www.edow.org

In this timely episode of "Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other," host Corey Nathan speaks with Professor Daniel Mach, Director of the ACLU Program on Freedom of Religion and Belief and adjunct professor of law at the George Washington University Law School. They explore the complexities of First Amendment rights, the historical Scopes Trial, and the fine line between religious freedom and government endorsement of religion. What We Discuss: How Daniel Mach's passion for First Amendment law began. The ACLU's approach to defending speech across ideological lines. Key legal principles behind landmark cases like Kennedy v. Bremerton. The modern-day impact of church-state separation rulings. The importance of defending civil liberties regardless of popularity. Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] Dan's origin story, sparked by a high school paper on the Scopes Trial. [00:05:00] ACLU's surprising position in the Boston Christian flag case. [00:09:00] The real facts behind Kennedy v. Bremerton School District. [00:23:00] Historical insight into the Scopes Trial and why it still matters. [00:38:00] Breakdown of the opt-out debate in Mahmoud v. Montgomery County. [00:48:00] Can a Catholic public school exist? Oklahoma says maybe. [00:56:00] Concerns about threats to the rule of law. [01:00:00] How to speak across ideological divides and why it matters. Featured Quotes: "Rights for all — the right to speak even hateful things — triggered something in my mind where I thought, yeah, that's the way to go." – Daniel Mach "If the rules only protect people you like, then those rules are not rules at all." – Daniel Mach "Part of religious liberty is keeping religion and government separate — not just to protect government, but to protect religion." – Daniel Mach Resources Mentioned: ACLU: https://www.aclu.org Kennedy v. Bremerton: https://www.oyez.org/cases/2021/21-418 Scopes Trial History: https://www.history.com/topics/roaring-twenties/scopes-trial Mahmoud v. Montgomery County: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24-297_4f14.pdf Oklahoma Catholic Charter School Ruling: https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/05/split-supreme-court-blocks-first-religious-charter-school-in-oklahoma/

In this timely episode of "Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other," host Corey Nathan speaks with Professor Daniel Mach, Director of the ACLU Program on Freedom of Religion and Belief and adjunct professor of law at the George Washington University Law School. They explore the complexities of First Amendment rights, the historical Scopes Trial, and the fine line between religious freedom and government endorsement of religion. What We Discuss: How Daniel Mach's passion for First Amendment law began. The ACLU's approach to defending speech across ideological lines. Key legal principles behind landmark cases like Kennedy v. Bremerton. The modern-day impact of church-state separation rulings. The importance of defending civil liberties regardless of popularity. Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] Dan's origin story, sparked by a high school paper on the Scopes Trial. [00:05:00] ACLU's surprising position in the Boston Christian flag case. [00:09:00] The real facts behind Kennedy v. Bremerton School District. [00:23:00] Historical insight into the Scopes Trial and why it still matters. [00:38:00] Breakdown of the opt-out debate in Mahmoud v. Montgomery County. [00:48:00] Can a Catholic public school exist? Oklahoma says maybe. [00:56:00] Concerns about threats to the rule of law. [01:00:00] How to speak across ideological divides and why it matters. Featured Quotes: "Rights for all — the right to speak even hateful things — triggered something in my mind where I thought, yeah, that's the way to go." – Daniel Mach "If the rules only protect people you like, then those rules are not rules at all." – Daniel Mach "Part of religious liberty is keeping religion and government separate — not just to protect government, but to protect religion." – Daniel Mach Resources Mentioned: ACLU: https://www.aclu.org Kennedy v. Bremerton: https://www.oyez.org/cases/2021/21-418 Scopes Trial History: https://www.history.com/topics/roaring-twenties/scopes-trial Mahmoud v. Montgomery County: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24-297_4f14.pdf Oklahoma Catholic Charter School Ruling: https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/05/split-supreme-court-blocks-first-religious-charter-school-in-oklahoma/

In this episode, Corey Nathan is joined by Pastor Doug Pagitt, Executive Director of Vote Common Good. Doug shares his remarkable journey from a non-religious upbringing to becoming a prominent voice in progressive evangelicalism. They discuss how his background in sociology and theology shapes his view of faith, culture, and politics, and how those insights drive his current work helping religious voters engage civically with integrity and hope. What We Discuss: How Doug Pagitt came to faith and ministry outside traditional church upbringing What the Emergent Church is and why it matters How anthropology influences theology What motivated Pastor Doug to start Vote Common Good How Democrats can meaningfully engage religious voters Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] Introduction to Doug's background and Vote Common Good [00:03:00] Doug's faith story and early questions about Christianity [00:08:00] Embracing scripture through open interpretation [00:17:00] The Emergent Church explained [00:30:00] Why Vote Common Good was founded [00:43:00] Surprising insights from their faith voter polling [00:54:00] Six words to win back religious voters [01:02:00] Where Democrats often miss the mark Featured Quotes: “I didn't have to unlearn a Sunday school version of Christianity. I got to take Jesus at face value.”  “We're not asking candidates to be Christians. We're asking them to like Christians.”  “The difference between being required and being invited makes all the difference.” “Human beings organize our lives around patterns. The danger is when we mistake those patterns for the divine.” Resources Mentioned: Vote Common Good: https://www.votecommongood.com Doug Pagitt's books: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Doug+Pagitt

In this episode, Corey Nathan is joined by Pastor Doug Pagitt, Executive Director of Vote Common Good. Doug shares his remarkable journey from a non-religious upbringing to becoming a prominent voice in progressive evangelicalism. They discuss how his background in sociology and theology shapes his view of faith, culture, and politics, and how those insights drive his current work helping religious voters engage civically with integrity and hope. What We Discuss: How Doug Pagitt came to faith and ministry outside traditional church upbringing What the Emergent Church is and why it matters How anthropology influences theology What motivated Pastor Doug to start Vote Common Good How Democrats can meaningfully engage religious voters Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] Introduction to Doug's background and Vote Common Good [00:03:00] Doug's faith story and early questions about Christianity [00:08:00] Embracing scripture through open interpretation [00:17:00] The Emergent Church explained [00:30:00] Why Vote Common Good was founded [00:43:00] Surprising insights from their faith voter polling [00:54:00] Six words to win back religious voters [01:02:00] Where Democrats often miss the mark Featured Quotes: “I didn't have to unlearn a Sunday school version of Christianity. I got to take Jesus at face value.”  “We're not asking candidates to be Christians. We're asking them to like Christians.”  “The difference between being required and being invited makes all the difference.” “Human beings organize our lives around patterns. The danger is when we mistake those patterns for the divine.” Resources Mentioned: Vote Common Good: https://www.votecommongood.com Doug Pagitt's books: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Doug+Pagitt

In this solo episode, host Corey Nathan explores how the "us vs. them" mindset is damaging our democracy and personal relationships. Sharing powerful stories and reflections, Corey examines how this mentality can escalate from figurative harm to literal violence—and what we can do to stop it. What Is Discussed: How to recognize and avoid “us vs. them” thinking Why specificity matters more than generalizations How to reframe conversations to foster understanding When it's best to disengage from toxic interactions Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] The real-life consequences of political tribalism [00:03:00] How a quote from the Declaration of Independence sparked online hostility [00:15:00] Why generalizing leads to vilification [00:21:00] Reactions to the peaceful “No Kings” rally [00:28:00] How to name and address divisive rhetoric [00:34:00] When it's healthier to walk away Featured Quotes: "Think specifically, not generally." "Shift our disposition from facing off to side by side." "Sometimes, you just gotta know when to walk away."

In this solo episode, host Corey Nathan explores how the "us vs. them" mindset is damaging our democracy and personal relationships. Sharing powerful stories and reflections, Corey examines how this mentality can escalate from figurative harm to literal violence—and what we can do to stop it. What Is Discussed: How to recognize and avoid “us vs. them” thinking Why specificity matters more than generalizations How to reframe conversations to foster understanding When it's best to disengage from toxic interactions Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] The real-life consequences of political tribalism [00:03:00] How a quote from the Declaration of Independence sparked online hostility [00:15:00] Why generalizing leads to vilification [00:21:00] Reactions to the peaceful “No Kings” rally [00:28:00] How to name and address divisive rhetoric [00:34:00] When it's healthier to walk away Featured Quotes: "Think specifically, not generally." "Shift our disposition from facing off to side by side." "Sometimes, you just gotta know when to walk away."

In this episode, host Corey Nathan sits down with Andrea Weeks, Executive Creative Director at AV Squad. A lifelong creative, Andrea brings a unique perspective shaped by her upbringing in Maine, a background in theater and film, and an impressive trajectory in the world of trailers and creative marketing. From her early days at Sony Pictures Classics to pioneering campaigns at AV Squad, Andrea shares her journey through the indie and mainstream worlds of film marketing. What We Discuss: How AV Squad became 100% employee-owned and what that means culturally Andrea's transition from theater to film and trailers The importance of mentorship and collaborative creativity Behind-the-scenes insights into trailers for major campaigns like Longlegs How Andrea's artistic upbringing informs her creative leadership Episode Highlights: [00:02:00] AV Squad becomes employee-owned: the announcement and cultural impact [00:04:00] Growing up in a Maine artist colony with a creative family [00:12:00] Andrea's first exposure to film and passion for political theater [00:18:00] Interning at Sony Pictures Classics and finding a way into film [00:27:00] Spotting the rise of Netflix and seizing new opportunities [00:34:00] Transitioning from New York to LA and joining AV Squad [00:49:00] Crafting the Longlegs campaign and fostering company-wide collaboration [00:54:00] Mentorship and developing young talent in the creative industry Featured Quotes: “The arts are a way to help shift the world.” – Andrea Weeks “Being invited into the creative space of a film is a privilege—and building trust is everything.” – Andrea Weeks “Everyone knows I'm a huge admirer of AV Squad… it's the spirit of the company that really stands out.” – Corey Nathan Resources Mentioned: AV Squad – https://www.avsquad.com/ Ghetto Film School – https://www.ghettofilm.org/ Our Sponsors:  The Golden Trailer Awards: goldentrailer.com/   Brent Allen Hagel: www.brentallenhagel.com Soundstripe: app.soundstripe.com Call to Action: Please leave us a rating and review:  https://apple.co/3QYy80e You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as www.linkedin.com/in/coreysnathan. Want to hear how the best in the business craft the world's most exciting movie trailers? Tune in every week to Trailer Geeks and Teaser Gods!

In this episode, host Corey Nathan welcomes Liz Joyner, founder and president of The Village Square, a civic organization dedicated to bridging divides and fostering dialogue across political and cultural lines. Liz shares the story behind founding The Village Square, her passion for preserving democratic values, and her experience navigating political polarization with grace, humor, and tenacity. As dear friends and collaborators, Corey and Liz offer listeners a heartfelt and insightful conversation about the importance of disagreement, empathy, and genuine connection. What You Will Learn: How Liz Joyner built The Village Square to combat political divisiveness The power of human connection and shared experiences in fostering civic trust Key strategies for having meaningful conversations across ideological divides Why now is a pivotal moment for preserving democracy and civil discourse How personal stories and experiences shape our political views and actions Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] Introduction to Liz Joyner and her work with The Village Square [00:06:00] Reflecting on her family's military background and public service [00:13:00] The key question: How can we engage across our differences? [00:22:00] The role of The Village Square's God Squad in promoting interfaith dialogue [00:31:00] The psychological roots of tribalism and political polarization [00:50:00] The threat to public humanities and the importance of civic institutions [01:00:00] Liz's favorite spot in D.C. and its symbolic value for democracy Featured Quotes: “We just need to do it. Reach out. Make the call. Share a meal. Be human.” “When we see others up close, we see their good intentions. That's where empathy begins.” “Disagreement, done well, is the genius behind our democracy.” “The genius of our system is that it relies on heterogeneity—on us learning from each other.” Resources Mentioned: The Village Square: villagesquare.us The Constitution of Knowledge by Jonathan Rauch: www.brookings.edu/books/the-constitution-of-knowledge Roger Herbert's Substack: https://rogerherbert.substack.com The National Portrait Gallery: https://npg.si.edu

In this episode, host Corey Nathan welcomes Liz Joyner, founder and president of The Village Square, a civic organization dedicated to bridging divides and fostering dialogue across political and cultural lines. Liz shares the story behind founding The Village Square, her passion for preserving democratic values, and her experience navigating political polarization with grace, humor, and tenacity. As dear friends and collaborators, Corey and Liz offer listeners a heartfelt and insightful conversation about the importance of disagreement, empathy, and genuine connection. What You Will Learn: How Liz Joyner built The Village Square to combat political divisiveness The power of human connection and shared experiences in fostering civic trust Key strategies for having meaningful conversations across ideological divides Why now is a pivotal moment for preserving democracy and civil discourse How personal stories and experiences shape our political views and actions Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] Introduction to Liz Joyner and her work with The Village Square [00:06:00] Reflecting on her family's military background and public service [00:13:00] The key question: How can we engage across our differences? [00:22:00] The role of The Village Square's God Squad in promoting interfaith dialogue [00:31:00] The psychological roots of tribalism and political polarization [00:50:00] The threat to public humanities and the importance of civic institutions [01:00:00] Liz's favorite spot in D.C. and its symbolic value for democracy Featured Quotes: “We just need to do it. Reach out. Make the call. Share a meal. Be human.” “When we see others up close, we see their good intentions. That's where empathy begins.” “Disagreement, done well, is the genius behind our democracy.” “The genius of our system is that it relies on heterogeneity—on us learning from each other.” Resources Mentioned: The Village Square: villagesquare.us The Constitution of Knowledge by Jonathan Rauch: www.brookings.edu/books/the-constitution-of-knowledge Roger Herbert's Substack: https://rogerherbert.substack.com The National Portrait Gallery: https://npg.si.edu

In this episode, host Corey Nathan welcomes Kamy Akhavan, Executive Director at the USC Dornsife Center for the Political Future and former CEO of ProCon.org. Kamy shares his extraordinary journey from war-torn Iran to becoming a champion of civil discourse and political bridge-building in the United States.  What We Discuss: Kamy's powerful immigration story and personal connection to today's immigration challenges What's actually happening in Los Angeles vs what many news programs are showing How debate and listening helped shape Kamy's open-minded leadership The mission of USC's Center for the Political Future and its bipartisan impact The root causes of polarization and how we can counteract them Why respect, listening, and humility are foundational for meaningful dialogue Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] Kamy's homage to Parliament Funkadelic and Sly Stone [00:06:00] Living through war in Iran and escaping with his family [00:14:00] Adjusting to poverty in Louisiana and finding strength in education [00:18:00] Discovering a passion for political discourse through debate [00:27:00] Leaving management consulting to lead ProCon.org [00:30:00] Kamy's role at USC's Center for the Political Future [00:39:00] Building a culture where tough conversations can happen respectfully [00:55:00] A deeper look into today's immigration debates and polarization Featured Quotes: "Every person you meet knows more than you do about something. If you approach with humility, every conversation becomes a chance to learn." — Kamy Akhavan "If you really want to be a powerful advocate for your cause, the best tool you have isn't your mouth—it's your ears." — Kamy Akhavan "We all inherit democracy. And that inheritance is a gift many have died for." — Kamy Akhavan Resources Mentioned: USC Dornsife Center for the Political Future: https://dornsife-center-for-political-future.usc.edu/ ProCon.org: https://www.procon.org/ The Democracy Group: https://www.democracygroup.org/

In this episode, host Corey Nathan welcomes Kamy Akhavan, Executive Director at the USC Dornsife Center for the Political Future and former CEO of ProCon.org. Kamy shares his extraordinary journey from war-torn Iran to becoming a champion of civil discourse and political bridge-building in the United States.  What We Discuss: Kamy's powerful immigration story and personal connection to today's immigration challenges What's actually happening in Los Angeles vs what many news programs are showing How debate and listening helped shape Kamy's open-minded leadership The mission of USC's Center for the Political Future and its bipartisan impact The root causes of polarization and how we can counteract them Why respect, listening, and humility are foundational for meaningful dialogue Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] Kamy's homage to Parliament Funkadelic and Sly Stone [00:06:00] Living through war in Iran and escaping with his family [00:14:00] Adjusting to poverty in Louisiana and finding strength in education [00:18:00] Discovering a passion for political discourse through debate [00:27:00] Leaving management consulting to lead ProCon.org [00:30:00] Kamy's role at USC's Center for the Political Future [00:39:00] Building a culture where tough conversations can happen respectfully [00:55:00] A deeper look into today's immigration debates and polarization Featured Quotes: "Every person you meet knows more than you do about something. If you approach with humility, every conversation becomes a chance to learn." — Kamy Akhavan "If you really want to be a powerful advocate for your cause, the best tool you have isn't your mouth—it's your ears." — Kamy Akhavan "We all inherit democracy. And that inheritance is a gift many have died for." — Kamy Akhavan Resources Mentioned: USC Dornsife Center for the Political Future: https://dornsife-center-for-political-future.usc.edu/ ProCon.org: https://www.procon.org/ The Democracy Group: https://www.democracygroup.org/

In this insightful and often humorous episode, host Corey Nathan welcomes political satirist, author, and podcast host Andrew Heaton for a wide-ranging conversation about his latest book, Tribalism Is Dumb. Heaton, known for his podcast The Political Orphanage, brings his signature blend of wit, intellect, and candor to explore why politics has become so viciously tribal—and how we can fix it. Drawing from personal stories, deep research, and evolutionary psychology, Heaton discusses the roots of human division, the impact of media and technology, and the path to a more thoughtful public discourse. What We Discuss: Why tribalism is hardwired into human nature—and how it gets misapplied in modern politics How Heaton's upbringing influenced his commitment to civility and intellectual rigor The role of media, social media, and political leadership in fostering division Practical tools for having productive, respectful political conversations What we can do—personally and societally—to resist toxic partisanship Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] Intro to Andrew Heaton and his new book [00:02:30] The story behind the dedication to Heaton's father [00:06:45] Heaton's early political influences [00:10:15] How Heaton preps for his many podcasts [00:21:00] The evolutionary roots of tribalism [00:34:00] Protestant vs. Catholic soccer rivalry in Scotland [00:36:30] What changed in the last few decades [00:55:00] Tools for better political conversations Featured Quotes: "There are lots of people that we share this country with that are good and intelligent people. The fact that we disagree with them is not a negation of their humanity." – Andrew Heaton "The need for an enemy precipitates the existence of the enemy." – Andrew Heaton "Tribalism is not just about community. It's about the reflexive urge to find a ‘them' to define the ‘us.'" – Andrew Heaton "I just try to remember: we're not arguing about whether you're a good person. I already believe you are." – Andrew Heaton Resources Mentioned: The Political Orphanage podcast: https://mightyheaton.com/the-political-orphanage Tribalism Is Dumb by Andrew Heaton: https://mightyheaton.com/books Bowling Alone by Robert Putnam: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Bowling-Alone/Robert-D-Putnam/9780743203043 How to Have Impossible Conversations by Peter Boghossian: https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/peter-boghossian/how-to-have-impossible-conversations/9780738285344/

In this insightful and often humorous episode, host Corey Nathan welcomes political satirist, author, and podcast host Andrew Heaton for a wide-ranging conversation about his latest book, Tribalism Is Dumb. Heaton, known for his podcast The Political Orphanage, brings his signature blend of wit, intellect, and candor to explore why politics has become so viciously tribal—and how we can fix it. Drawing from personal stories, deep research, and evolutionary psychology, Heaton discusses the roots of human division, the impact of media and technology, and the path to a more thoughtful public discourse. What We Discuss: Why tribalism is hardwired into human nature—and how it gets misapplied in modern politics How Heaton's upbringing influenced his commitment to civility and intellectual rigor The role of media, social media, and political leadership in fostering division Practical tools for having productive, respectful political conversations What we can do—personally and societally—to resist toxic partisanship Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] Intro to Andrew Heaton and his new book [00:02:30] The story behind the dedication to Heaton's father [00:06:45] Heaton's early political influences [00:10:15] How Heaton preps for his many podcasts [00:21:00] The evolutionary roots of tribalism [00:34:00] Protestant vs. Catholic soccer rivalry in Scotland [00:36:30] What changed in the last few decades [00:55:00] Tools for better political conversations Featured Quotes: "There are lots of people that we share this country with that are good and intelligent people. The fact that we disagree with them is not a negation of their humanity." – Andrew Heaton "The need for an enemy precipitates the existence of the enemy." – Andrew Heaton "Tribalism is not just about community. It's about the reflexive urge to find a ‘them' to define the ‘us.'" – Andrew Heaton "I just try to remember: we're not arguing about whether you're a good person. I already believe you are." – Andrew Heaton Resources Mentioned: The Political Orphanage podcast: https://mightyheaton.com/the-political-orphanage Tribalism Is Dumb by Andrew Heaton: https://mightyheaton.com/books Bowling Alone by Robert Putnam: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Bowling-Alone/Robert-D-Putnam/9780743203043 How to Have Impossible Conversations by Peter Boghossian: https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/peter-boghossian/how-to-have-impossible-conversations/9780738285344/

In this edition, host Corey Nathan dives into two behaviors that shut down meaningful dialogue before it even starts: ad hominem attacks and treating individuals as proxies for groups. Drawing from real-life interactions and candid personal stories, Corey illustrates why civil discourse matters now more than ever. What Is Discussed: Why personal attacks destroy productive dialogue How assuming people represent an entire group harms mutual understanding Strategies for better conversations: passive, defensive, and proactive Why labels and assumptions often miss the mark The power of treating others as individuals with unique stories Episode Highlights: 1:00 – Defining the two dialogue killers: ad hominem and proxy labeling 2:00 – A local mayor faces national-level hostility in small-town politics 4:00 – A neighborly disagreement about family farms shows how it can be done right 5:00 – Corey's impassioned reaction to toxic comments and attacks 10:00 – When people are reduced to stand-ins for political ideologies 14:00 – Facebook comments spiral as users resort to vilifying each other 19:00 – Setting realistic expectations when engaging across divides 27:00 – “I will not defend positions I don't hold”—drawing healthy boundaries 30:00 – Lessons from the fight for marriage equality: changing hearts through human connection 33:00 – Passive, defensive, and proactive strategies to communicate better Featured Quotes: “People are people—not proxies...” “I will not defend positions that I don't hold.” “You're not talking to ‘them,' you're talking to me.” “Go talk some politics and religion with gentleness and respect.”

In this edition, host Corey Nathan dives into two behaviors that shut down meaningful dialogue before it even starts: ad hominem attacks and treating individuals as proxies for groups. Drawing from real-life interactions and candid personal stories, Corey illustrates why civil discourse matters now more than ever. What Is Discussed: Why personal attacks destroy productive dialogue How assuming people represent an entire group harms mutual understanding Strategies for better conversations: passive, defensive, and proactive Why labels and assumptions often miss the mark The power of treating others as individuals with unique stories Episode Highlights: 1:00 – Defining the two dialogue killers: ad hominem and proxy labeling 2:00 – A local mayor faces national-level hostility in small-town politics 4:00 – A neighborly disagreement about family farms shows how it can be done right 5:00 – Corey's impassioned reaction to toxic comments and attacks 10:00 – When people are reduced to stand-ins for political ideologies 14:00 – Facebook comments spiral as users resort to vilifying each other 19:00 – Setting realistic expectations when engaging across divides 27:00 – “I will not defend positions I don't hold”—drawing healthy boundaries 30:00 – Lessons from the fight for marriage equality: changing hearts through human connection 33:00 – Passive, defensive, and proactive strategies to communicate better Featured Quotes: “People are people—not proxies...” “I will not defend positions that I don't hold.” “You're not talking to ‘them,' you're talking to me.” “Go talk some politics and religion with gentleness and respect.”

This episode is definitely for "trailer geeks" because host Corey Nathan and this week's guest Jonny Elwyn totally geek out over some great trailers. So on this edition, we sit down with Jonny Elwyn—a freelance editor and writer based in London—to explore the creative freelance lifestyle, the trailer industry, and Jonny's popular newsletter This Week in Movie Trailers (TWIMT). Jonny shares his journey through film editing and writing, his strategies for staying productive, and how he built a data-driven trailer newsletter that's catching the attention of the industry. What We Discuss: How Jonny Elwyn built a successful freelance career Insights into balancing parenting, editing, and side hustles Why collaboration beats competition in creative industries The origin and purpose of This Week in Movie Trailers Trends Jonny has uncovered from trailer viewership data Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] Meet Jonny Elwyn – editor, writer, and creator of TWIMT [00:04:00] Choosing editing over directing in film school [00:06:00] Why fellow freelancers can be your best asset [00:10:00] Monetizing blogs and building a writing income [00:30:00] How Jonny built the TWIMT trailer tracking system [00:38:00] Surprising data insights about trailer performance [00:44:00] Why trailer editors deserve more credit [00:50:00] What's next for TWIMT—and how the industry can help shape it Featured Quotes: "Your competition is actually your best community." – Jonny Elwyn "It doesn't matter how slow you go, as long as you don't give up." – Jonny Elwyn "People just want to see the trailers. No filler—just the good stuff." – Jonny Elwyn Resources Mentioned: This Week in Movie Trailers (TWIMT): movietrailers.pro/ Jonny's Newletter on Post: www.cut-daily.com Jonny's Blog: jonnyelwyn.co.uk Our Sponsors:  The Golden Trailer Awards: goldentrailer.com/   Brent Allen Hagel: www.brentallenhagel.com Soundstripe: app.soundstripe.com Call to Action: Please leave us a rating and review:  https://apple.co/3QYy80e You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as www.linkedin.com/in/coreysnathan. Want to hear how the best in the business craft the world's most exciting movie trailers? Tune in every week to Trailer Geeks and Teaser Gods!

In this inspiring episode, host Corey Nathan welcomes Bishop Mary D. Glasspool, a pioneering leader in the Episcopal Church and the first openly lesbian woman to be consecrated as a bishop in the Anglican Communion. Since 2016, she has served as Assistant Bishop in the Episcopal Diocese of New York. Bishop Mary shares her personal journey of faith, identity, leadership, and inclusion, offering insights into navigating the intersections of religion, politics, and justice. What We Discuss: Bishop Mary's journey as a trailblazer in the Episcopal Church How her faith and identity evolved in tandem What the Philadelphia 11 meant to her and the church Navigating hard conversations across deep differences What gives her hope for the future of the church and the world Episode Highlights: 01:00 – Corey introduces Bishop Mary and her groundbreaking role 06:00 – Growing up in a multigenerational Episcopal family 17:00 – The impact of the Philadelphia 11 and her call to ministry 27:00 – Coming out and confronting institutional theology 34:00 – Stories of ministry, mentorship, and pioneering women 43:00 – Navigating political division in local churches 50:00 – Her retirement plans and what's next 1:02:00 – On non-binary thinking, listening deeply, and collaboration Featured Quotes: “We can do this. It is possible to talk politics and religion without killing each other.” “The best way to be ecumenical is to be deeply rooted and grounded in your own faith.” “Diversity is a strength… It can help us grow and become stronger as human beings.” “We need to allow for silence. We need to listen.” Resources Mentioned: The Philadelphia Eleven Documentary: https://www.philadelphiaelevenfilm.com The Episcopal Church: https://www.episcopalchurch.org

In this episode, host Corey Nathan is joined by Pastor David Hegg, Senior Pastor at Grace Baptist Church in Santa Clarita, CA. With decades of experience, a master's in theology, and a doctorate in preaching, Pastor Hegg shares his unique journey into ministry, his thoughts on biblical teaching, and how Christians can faithfully navigate today's cultural and political landscape. What We Discuss: How Pastor Hegg's early struggles shaped his path in ministry The importance of preaching Scripture as it was originally written A biblical approach to Christian leadership and cultural engagement Insights into the role of conscience in political decision-making Why “reasoned humility” is essential for healthy public discourse Episode Highlights: 00:04:00 – From mowing the church lawn to pastoring a large congregation 00:10:00 – Disputes over doctrine: seminary conflict and church governance 00:19:00 – Faith vs. science: Genesis, creationism, and biblical authority 00:25:00 – Why many pastors feel exhausted, and how to sustain ministry 00:30:00 – Handling political pressure and cultural division during COVID 00:36:00 – Engaging LGBTQ+ individuals with truth and grace 00:43:00 – What it means to “withdraw” from politics without disengaging 00:54:00 – Preview of Pastor Hegg's upcoming books and a theological novel Featured Quotes: “What God has for us is always best for us.” – Pastor David Hegg “We must hold our beliefs with reasoned humility.” “You can't come to any text without a framework, but you must be willing to reform that framework based on Scripture.” “We don't throw darts—we meet people where they are and walk with them.” Resources Mentioned: Grace Baptist Church: gracebaptist.org The Obedience Option: www.amazon.com/s?k=The+Obedience+Option+David+Hegg The Well: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=The+Well+David+Hegg Mind & Cosmos by Thomas Nagel: www.goodreads.com/book/show/13690432-mind-cosmos

“You've got to be willing to kick your sources right in the balls if necessary, even if they're your friends.” Julie Mason came up the ranks at regional newspapers before becoming a White House reporter. On her SiriusXM radio show, you can tell how much she loves and champions good reporters and reveres excellent journalism. And that's one of the many reasons we love Julie Mason! So we're re-booting our most recent conversation with Julie from earlier this year...   In this episode, host Corey Nathan reconnects with Julie Mason, renowned journalist and host of The Julie Mason Show on SiriusXM's POTUS channel. Julie brings decades of experience in journalism, spanning local, state, and national politics, and shares her sharp insights on the evolving media landscape, political discourse, and the state of journalism today. What We Discuss: The evolving role of journalists in a polarized media environment. How to navigate news consumption and discern credible sources. Insights into the challenges of covering politicians and divisive topics. The growing intersection between social media platforms and journalism. Why re-engaging with quality news content is critical to democracy. Mike Pence: The King of Hilarity... Wait. WHAT?!?! No, really Episode Highlights: [00:00:00] – Corey welcomes Julie back to the podcast after four years and reflects on her journey in journalism, from print reporting to hosting her SiriusXM show. [00:09:00] – Julie explains how she transitioned from print to radio and why she took the leap into the unfamiliar world of broadcasting. [00:20:00] – The challenges of modern journalism: Julie addresses disinformation, lies in politics, and why reporters must focus on stories that truly impact people's lives. [00:27:00] – A discussion on how journalism is evolving to meet the needs of a fatigued audience, from long-form storytelling to true crime podcasts. [00:40:00] – Julie emphasizes the importance of journalists remaining stoic and professional, especially during major historical events like January 6th. [00:47:00] – Corey and Julie explore ways to have constructive conversations with people across ideological divides, drawing inspiration from bipartisan efforts in Congress. [00:55:00] – Julie's call to action: Why supporting quality journalism through subscriptions and active engagement matters more than ever. Featured Quotes: “You've got to be willing to kick your sources right in the balls if necessary, even if they're your friends.” “Politician lied is not really the story—focus on what impacts people's lives.” “To have meaningful conversations, you have to put down your weapons and see the humanity in the other person.” Resources Mentioned: The Julie Mason Show on SiriusXM's POTUS Channel – www.siriusxm.com/channels/potus-politics  Substack Recommendations: The Great Transformation with Mike Madrid Tom LoBianco's 24Sight Oliver Darcy's Substack The Contrarian by Jennifer Rubin and Laurence Tribe Dirty John Podcast – Listen Here

In this nostalgic episode of Trailer Geeks and Teaser Gods, host Corey Nathan sits down with the legendary Robert Hyams, a pivotal figure in the evolution of movie marketing. From his start in the mailroom at Kaleidoscope to his influential role in both trailers and studio post-production, Rob shares fascinating stories of the people, technologies, and transitions that shaped the industry. With over four decades in the business and a reputation for never missing a deadline or going over budget, Rob offers unmatched insight into the trailer world's past and future. What We Discuss: How the trailer industry evolved from physical film to digital workflows What it was like working at Kaleidoscope, Picture Mill, and on the studio side The creative and technical challenges behind finishing trailers Why certain people in post became icons in the field Advice for the next generation entering the film and entertainment industry Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] Rob and Corey reflect on how they met — a chance call that launched a career [00:07:00] Rob's early days at Kaleidoscope and the family legacy that brought him to Hollywood [00:15:00] The revolutionary shift from film to video editing and Rob's role in the transition [00:24:00] Working with Hollywood legends like Ralph E. Winters and lessons learned in the cutting room [00:31:00] The introduction of Avid and how trailer editors embraced new tech faster than studios [00:39:00] Founding Picture Mill and the birth of a new kind of graphics/post company [00:44:00] Insights into the decline of film labs and the rise of digital intermediate [00:50:00] Rob's thoughts on the future of post-production and storytelling in the age of AI and streaming [00:56:00] The stories behind iconic trailer copy lines and Rob's gratitude for the community Featured Quotes: "You could take a 10-pound bag of crap and cut it down to a five-pound bag of crap. Still a bag of crap." — Robert Hyams, quoting Ralph E. Winters "We weren't just adapting to change—we were the change." — Robert Hyams "Working union? Live better. You get health benefits and a pension. It's huge." — Robert Hyams Resources Mentioned: Coming Attractions - A History of the Movie Trailer: www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FA3lgVcwFc Night on the Town (Rick Goldstein's film): www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzOsRBjtrLQ Our Sponsors:  The Golden Trailer Awards: goldentrailer.com/   Brent Allen Hagel: www.brentallenhagel.com Soundstripe: app.soundstripe.com Call to Action: Please leave us a rating and review:  https://apple.co/3QYy80e You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as www.linkedin.com/in/coreysnathan. Want to hear how the best in the business craft the world's most exciting movie trailers? Tune in every week to Trailer Geeks and Teaser Gods!

In this episode, host Corey Nathan reflects on a pivotal shift in direction for the podcast. The solo episodes of “Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other” will be moving toward a more practical focus—answering the question of how we engage in tough conversations about politics and religion in more productive, neighborly, human ways. Drawing from years of interviews, personal experiences, and lively social media debates, Corey opens up about the challenges and tools needed to bridge our deepest divides. What's Discussed: Why Corey is focusing more on how we talk about politics and religion, not just what we talk about The role of "epistemic bubbles" and "informational universes" in shaping our perspectives Tools and strategies for engaging across political and religious differences How grace, curiosity, and relationship-building can change the tone of even the toughest conversations Real-life examples from Corey's online and offline experiences—including some Facebook showdowns! Episode Highlights: [00:02:00] Corey announces a new focus on practical tools for civil dialogue [00:06:00] The concept of “epistemic ecosystems” and how they isolate us [00:10:00] Why you can't “convert” someone in one conversation—but you can plant seeds [00:13:00] Mike Madrid: “Effective communication across bubbles requires more than simply correcting facts...” [00:17:00] A quote from the Constitution sparks a wild Facebook debate [00:24:00] From “literate idiots” to neighbors with nuance—Corey breaks down who shows up online [00:32:00] How to actively listen, lead with curiosity, and find the serious point in a noisy thread [00:45:00] Tips on when to pick your spot, take it offline, or simply walk away Featured Quotes: “Sometimes you can't teach someone a new language—but you can give them a few new words.” “Give yourself grace. You're going to mess it up. But keep showing up.” “Effective communication across bubbles requires more than simply correcting facts. It demands engaging underlying values and concerns.” Resources Mentioned: Mike Madrid's Substack - The Great Transformation: greattransformation.substack.com Tangle News: www.readtangle.com Ground News: ground.news Village SquareCast: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/village-squarecast/id1520059234

In this episode, host Corey Nathan speaks with Rev. Dr. Serene Jones, President of Union Theological Seminary. As the first woman to lead the historic 180-year-old institution, Dr. Jones brings deep insight to the intersection of theology, justice, and public life. Together, they explore how Christian faith can guide us through trauma, division, and democracy's challenges, while sharing stories of growing up in faith and creating space for conversations across political and religious divides. What We Discuss: How Serene Jones' upbringing shaped her theological lens What theology has to do with democracy and justice Why questions are a sign of faith, not doubt The importance of building bridges, even when no one's building from the other side How seminaries are evolving to meet the needs of a changing world Episode Highlights: [00:03:00] A unique faith upbringing in the Disciples of Christ tradition [00:07:00] Church as a place of learning about democracy, justice, and real life [00:13:00] The message of Micah 4 and how it resonates with global conflict today [00:27:00] The role of theology in shaping public ethics and spiritual resilience [00:39:00] Navigating campus dialogue during protests and unrest [00:44:00] Three calls for progressive communities in red states [00:51:00] Addressing collective and generational trauma through faith [00:53:00] Asking: What would Jesus do—really? Featured Quotes: “Faith that's not equipped to deal with the big questions of life is not a faith worth its weight.” “If we are not building bridges, there's no one there to catch people when they fall.” “Theology is not just an abstraction. It's an action. It's a way of living in the world.” “The crisis in our nation is a massive spiritual crisis—for all of us.” Resources Mentioned: Union Theological Seminary – utsnyc.edu Call It Grace by Serene Jones – www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/2146640/serene-jones/

In this episode, host Corey Nathan reconnects with Lisa Willey Knierim—Mayor of Cranbury Township, NJ, President of 1880 Hospitality, and high school pal. Lisa shares powerful insights into the realities of small-town governance, the impact of state housing mandates, and the ripple effects of national political discourse. From boardrooms to township meetings, she brings candor, civility, and a healthy dose of humor to the conversation. What We Discuss: How national political polarization affects small-town governments. What the Mount Laurel Doctrine means for affordable housing in NJ. The value of listening and transparency in political leadership. How Six Sigma strategies works in business—and public service. Real-world consequences of recent U.S. tariff policy from a global trade professional. Episode Highlights: [00:03:00] The structure of Cranbury's local government and Lisa's role as mayor [00:07:00] Breaking down the affordable housing mandate and land challenges [00:14:00] How partisan behavior has filtered into local meetings [00:24:00] Six Sigma in practice: business problem-solving that works [00:27:00] Why abrupt tariff policy changes hurt American businesses [00:34:00] Lisa's close election win and continued work with her predecessor [00:45:00] Remembering the best of our communities post-pandemic [00:53:00] Lisa's campaign to bring back civility in politics Featured Quotes: “At the local level, I wish I didn't even have to declare my party. It feels absolutely irrelevant.” – Lisa Willey Knierim “You've got to create a vanilla ice cream environment—not too spicy. Be compassionate, be practical, be human.” “National-level problems shouldn't be light-switch decisions.” “It's not that I can't solve the problem. But I can listen. That's halfway there.” Resources Mentioned: Six Sigma Black Belt Certification: asq.org/cert/six-sigma-black-belt Cranbury Township Info: www.cranburytownship.org/ Lisa Willey Knierim Campaign Page: www.facebook.com/LisaKnierimTC22

In this episode, host Corey Nathan sits down with Pete Campbell, Creative Director at Wild Card Creative Group and one of the most respected editors and mentors in the trailer industry. From his humble beginnings as a student and babysitter to cutting award-winning trailers and mentoring the next generation of creatives, Pete shares his journey and the craft behind some of the most iconic trailers in Hollywood. What We Discuss: How Pete transitioned from screenwriter to editor to creative director Why WDA was a launching pad for so many successful creatives What it takes to make a trailer that resonates emotionally and commercially Behind-the-scenes insights into campaigns like The Martian, The Post, and Severance How Pete balances creative intuition with collaboration and leadership Episode Highlights: 1:00 – Pete talks about his Mad Men namesake and early days in advertising 4:00 – From Loyola Marymount to babysitting Kevin Williamson's twins 11:00 – Cutting a spec trailer for Kung Fu Hustle and launching a career 16:00 – Why Pete joined AV Squad and how it shaped his creative evolution 26:00 – Creative directing as mentorship, not micromanagement 34:00 – The story behind The Martian trailer and how quiet moments amplify impact 45:00 – Editing The Post and Nick Temple's critical advice 51:00 – The joy of working on The Studio and blending highbrow and madcap comedy 60:00 – Pete's favorite trailers by other editors and what he learned from them Featured Quotes: "Your job as a creative director is to see that 85% and not put your thumbprints all over it." – Pete Campbell "I've had so many moments where I think I'm terrible, and then I pray, and somehow an idea comes that saves the day." – Pete Campbell "Think different. It sounds so easy, but it's one of the hardest things to do in this industry." – Pete Campbell Resources Mentioned: Dead Island Game Trailer: https://youtu.be/2mi5bH0fIxE?si=RMH12502ZTzhMEZV Pete Campbell on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/pete-campbell-19629a21  Wild Card Creative Group: www.wildcardcreativegroup.com Our Sponsors:  The Golden Trailer Awards: goldentrailer.com/   Brent Allen Hagel: www.brentallenhagel.com Soundstripe: app.soundstripe.com Call to Action: Please leave us a rating and review:  https://apple.co/3QYy80e You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as www.linkedin.com/in/coreysnathan. Want to hear how the best in the business craft the world's most exciting movie trailers? Tune in every week to Trailer Geeks and Teaser Gods!

In this episode, Corey Nathan sits down with Kate Carney, Deputy Director at More in Common. Kate shares her fascinating journey—from working in Congress to boating 6,000 miles around the U.S.—and how those experiences shape her work today. The conversation centers on More in Common's new report, The Connection Opportunity, and explores how we can foster meaningful relationships across political, racial, religious, and socioeconomic divides. What's Discussed: Why social connection is critical to healthy democracy. Surprising data on Americans' openness to diverse perspectives. How psychological factors like intergroup anxiety impact connection. Kate's transformative journey completing the Great American Loop. Real-world solutions for bridging divides in your own community. Episode Highlights: 02:00 – Kate's 6,000-mile boat journey and what it taught her about America. 10:00 – The Connection Opportunity: How More in Common is reframing social cohesion. 21:00 – Why politics remains the most difficult line of difference to cross. 25:00 – The power of community norms and intergroup anxiety. 32:00 – Revisiting the "Hidden Tribes" report and what's changed since its release. 41:00 – The seven levers of change for increasing social connection. 48:00 – How cities like Kansas City, Houston and Pittsburgh are fostering community dialogue. 54:00 – Personal agency and why democracy starts with you. Featured Quotes: “We are inherently diverse. To build strong communities, we have to be intentional about connecting across our differences.” — Kate Carney “The more people connect across difference, the more they want to—it's a cascade.” — Kate Carney “There's an overwhelming desire to have these conversations. It's the fortress of assumptions that gets in our way.” — Corey Nathan Resources Mentioned: More in Common: www.moreincommonus.com The Connection Opportunity Report: moreincommonus.com/publication/the-connection-opportunity

In this episode, host Corey Nathan reflects on where we stand as a country several months into the current administration. With candor and conviction, Corey explores the themes of democracy, decency, and due process. Drawing from scripture, the Constitution, and commentary by thought leaders like David Brooks and Mike Madrid, this episode delivers a compelling, timely snapshot of America's civic health—and what's at stake moving forward. What's Discussed: Why the First, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments are more important than ever The consequences of immigration policies that bypass due process How the economy (including tariffs and inflation) is impacting voters What swayed key constituencies in the 2024 election What to watch for heading into 2026 and 2028 Episode Highlights: [00:02:00] Framing the episode: A “temperature check” on America [00:05:00] The First Amendment under threat [00:07:00] Due process and the constitutional rights of all persons [00:14:00] What really moved voters in 2024 (spoiler: price of eggs + immigration) [00:17:00] A powerful quote from David Brooks on civilizational foundations [00:22:00] Legal attacks and a defense of constitutional law [00:29:00] Polling data showing shifts in public opinion [00:34:00] Real-world impact on families, students, and small businesses Featured Quotes: “Nor shall any person be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.” “Don't talk to me about Donald Trump being a brilliant businessman—he's a brilliant thief.” “For me, it's about democracy and decency. Always has been.” Resources Mentioned: David Brooks: "What's Happening Is Not Normal" (NYT) – www.nytimes.com/2025/04/17/opinion/trump-harvard-law-firms.html Adam Unikowsky on Substack – adamunikowsky.substack.com/p/the-case-for-suing Mike Madrid's Substack, The Great Transformation – substack.com/@madridmike

In this episode, host Corey Nathan talks with renowned journalist, scholar, and public intellectual E.J. Dionne Jr. E.J. is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, a syndicated columnist for The Washington Post, a professor at Georgetown University, and a prolific author. Together, they discuss democracy, faith, political polarization, and the enduring need for real argument and hope in public life. What We Discuss: How E.J.'s upbringing shaped his approach to political debate and dialogue. Why engaging seriously with opposing ideas is crucial to democracy. The difference between optimism and hope — and why hope is essential. How faith and civil society contribute to repairing societal divisions. Episode Highlights: [00:03:00] E.J. shares how his father encouraged open political debate. [00:06:00] Reflections on DEI, the “woke” debates, and critiques of excesses. [00:10:00] The Trump administration's unintended role in uniting pro-democracy groups. [00:15:00] Anger and economic grievances in Fall River, Massachusetts. [00:24:00] Why hope, not just optimism, is vital for public life. [00:36:00] E.J.'s personal faith journey and the importance of humble belief. [00:48:00] Reflections on Pope Francis' legacy and the Catholic Church. [01:05:00] What worries E.J. about democracy today — and what gives him hope. Featured Quotes: "In real argument, you enter imaginatively into the ideas your opponent holds." — E.J. Dionne "Hope is the virtue on which faith and love depend." — E.J. Dionne "You can really disagree with people you love, and you can love people you disagree with." — E.J. Dionne "We find sanctity even in mundane conversations." — Corey Nathan Resources Mentioned:

In this episode, host Corey Nathan shares a candid reflection about a recent encounter where he was right on the facts and the law—but completely wrong in how he presented them. Yet if we're honest with ourselves about when we make mistakes, it's a good opportunity to learn, reminding us that how we communicate is just as important as what we communicate. What You'll Learn: Why being right on the law isn't enough in a conversation How righteous anger can derail productive dialogue Why due process matters for everyone—especially those who aren't guilty of crimes Tools for engaging in hard conversations with empathy and curiosity How the Constitution and Judeo-Christian values intersect in public discourse Episode Highlights: [00:02:00] Corey introduces the story and the key lesson he learned [00:05:00] Breakdown of the Alien Enemies Act and a real legal case [00:06:45] A stranger challenges Corey at a restaurant [00:07:30] Corey "goes Jersey" and loses his cool [00:13:00] What due process really protects and why it matters [00:16:00] How Isaac Saul, David Brooks, and Mónica Guzmán inspired a better way to respond [00:18:00] Reading the First and Fifth Amendments to ground the conversation Featured Quotes: "I was completely right on the facts, but I was completely wrong on the delivery." — Corey Nathan "Due process is there for the innocent just as much as the guilty—even more so for the innocent." — Corey Nathan "Ask at least three questions before making your point." — inspired by Isaac Saul

In this deeply moving episode, Corey Nathan welcomes Rabbi Sharon Brous, the senior and founding rabbi of IKAR, a groundbreaking Jewish community based in Los Angeles. Rabbi Brous is also the author of The Amen Effect: Ancient Wisdom to Heal Our Hearts and Mend Our Broken World. Together, they explore ancient traditions, mental health, spiritual leadership, and how to foster deeper, more compassionate human connections even across profound divides. What We Discuss: The ancient ritual of turning toward the brokenhearted and its modern relevance. The profound impact of being seen and embraced in moments of vulnerability. How leaders carry and process communal pain—and why that matters. Practical wisdom on staying curious and compassionate across ideological divides. The role of community design in spiritual experiences. Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] Rabbi Brous explains the Mishnah Middot and the ritual of turning toward the brokenhearted. [00:08:00] Corey and Rabbi Brous discuss the concept of sin as a burden like mental illness. [00:15:00] The transformative power of being truly seen and how crying makes space for new realities. [00:20:00] Rabbi Brous reflects on the toll leadership can take and how caregivers must process pain. [00:24:00] The design of IKAR's prayer space and how it fosters visibility and community. [00:34:00] Navigating discomfort with changes in religious leadership and traditions. [00:42:00] How to stay at the table with those who hurt or anger us—and why it's critical. [00:53:00] A powerful story about transformation through simple presence and blessing. Featured Quotes: "Sometimes you don't even want to get out of bed. Yet, sacred tradition compels us to show our brokenness—and trust that we will be held with love." — Rabbi Sharon Brous "If you don't metabolize pain, it will metastasize inside of you." — Rabbi Sharon Brous "We can create new neural and spiritual pathways—by allowing ourselves to be seen and to receive love." — Rabbi Sharon Brous "It takes courage to be curious about someone who hurt you, but that's the only way to heal." — Rabbi Sharon Brous Resources Mentioned: The Amen Effect by Rabbi Sharon Brous: https://ikar.org/the-amen-effect/the-big-idea/ IKAR Jewish Community: https://www.ikar.org/ How to Know a Person by David Brooks: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/652822/how-to-know-a-person-by-david-brooks/ Fierce Love by Rev. Dr. Jacqui Lewis: https://jacquijlewis.com/fierce-love/ I Never Thought of It That Way by Mónica Guzmán: https://www.moniguzman.com/book

In this heartfelt and wide-ranging episode, host Corey Nathan sits down with a very special guest — his own son, Emerson Riley Nathan. Together, they dive into Gen Z's unique perspective on faith, politics, and culture. As a young adult navigating the complexities of belief, identity, and creativity, Emerson offers refreshing candor about his spiritual journey, social views, and passion for music. This conversation is an inspiring look at how different generations can engage in meaningful, respectful dialogue. What You Will Learn: Insights into Gen Z's evolving relationship with faith and spirituality How Emerson balances skepticism and open-mindedness about religion The impact of politics and social media on young people's worldview How music and community-building are vital for mental health and connection The dynamic of a father and son having open, vulnerable discussions about big life questions Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] – Emerson's "graveyard shift" lifestyle and its impact on his creativity [00:03:00] – Emerson shares his journey growing up between Christianity and Judaism [00:07:00] – How the 2012 election and political polarization shaped Emerson's views [00:11:00] – Moving away from organized religion and questioning traditional beliefs [00:20:00] – Emerson's current agnostic beliefs and embracing uncertainty about the afterlife [00:27:00] – The healing power of kindness and defining what it means to be good [00:32:00] – Emerson's passion for dubstep, rave culture, and community through music [00:45:00] – Corey and Emerson discuss responsible adulthood, fatherhood, and finding purpose [00:59:00] – How politics today have created both division and a sense of helplessness Resources Mentioned: Sugar Magnacious on Instagram Debased Sound on Instagram

In this episode of Trailer Geeks and Teaser Gods, host Corey Nathan welcomes Yuhei Ogawa, an accomplished editor, creative director, and host of the new podcast Creative. Kind. Yuhei shares his creative journey, reflecting on his career in film marketing, the inspiration behind his podcast, and the importance of kindness and emotional reflection in the creative industry. Together, Corey and Yuhei dive into the nuances of maintaining mental health, building community, and sustaining creativity in an ever-evolving and demanding entertainment landscape. What You Will Learn: How Yuhei Ogawa transitioned from hip-hop dancing and unscripted TV editing into creative advertising. The personal and emotional inspiration behind the Creative. Kind. podcast. The challenges and importance of sustaining creative endeavors over time. The role of kindness and vulnerability in the creative industries. How Yuhei's experiences during the pandemic reshaped his outlook on community and mental health. Insights into Yuhei's creative process and reflections on the future of the industry, including AI's role. Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] Corey introduces Yuhei and dives straight into discussing Creative. Kind. and Yuhei's creative motivations. [00:04:00] Corey and Yuhei reflect on the struggles of sustaining creative work and staying patient with oneself. [00:09:00] Yuhei shares how the pandemic spurred him to reassess his career and the importance of in-person connections. [00:14:00] Yuhei discusses discovering his daughter's emotional world through family therapy and how it changed his understanding of empathy. [00:27:00] Corey shares his journey with meditation and mental health, emphasizing the life-changing power of mindfulness. [00:35:00] Yuhei recounts his path from hip-hop dancer to becoming a respected trailer editor. [00:49:00] Working with international talent on Tokyo Vice and how creative collaboration across borders enriched his work. [01:01:00] Yuhei reflects on the impact of AI on the creative industry and philosophical questions about the nature of art. Featured Quotes: “The important thing is to just do it for yourself and keep pushing, no matter how little by little.” – Yuhei Ogawa “Kindness is a practice about thinking about other people and how that permeates what we do day in and day out.” – Yuhei Ogawa “It's okay that this is happening. Just be present with it.” – Yuhei Ogawa (on the power of meditation and noting emotions) “If there's no process, no human interaction, no struggle—then I don't think it's art.” – Yuhei Ogawa Resources Mentioned: Creative. Kind. Podcast - instagram.com/creativekindpod Headspace Meditation App Yuhei's Website Greg Harrison's Substack on AI Our Sponsors:   The Golden Trailer Awards: goldentrailer.com/   Brent Allen Hagel: www.brentallenhagel.com Soundstripe: app.soundstripe.com Make It Universal and Rotten Tomatoes presents SEEN on the SCREEN: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuq_rgCzEP_Ne0W0nk6R66sYFGr1Jrzqe Call to Action: Please leave us a rating and review:  https://apple.co/3QYy80e You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as www.linkedin.com/in/coreysnathan. Want to hear how the best in the business craft the world's most exciting movie trailers? Tune in every week to Trailer Geeks and Teaser Gods!

In this solo episode, host Corey Nathan takes a deep dive into one of the foundational guidelines we've used in curating conversations both in person and online: handling misinformation. Corey reflects on his experiences moderating political and religious discussions, the evolution of social media moderation, and the fine balance between protecting free speech and maintaining civil discourse. We invite listeners into an honest exploration of free expression, civic engagement, and fostering better conversations, even with those we deeply disagree with. What We Discuss: Why it could be worth rethinking the rule to report and remove proven falsehoods from these forums. The importance of understanding the First Amendment and time, place, and manner restrictions on free speech. How maintaining civil discourse matters more than ever, even with the spread of misinformation. Reflections on the lessons learned from controversial public conversations, like Gavin Newsom's podcast guests and protests on college campuses. How personal experiences during the pandemic and political unrest shaped Corey's approach to moderating tough conversations. Episode Highlights: [00:03:00] Corey's initial set of rules for moderating conversations on social media. [00:08:00] Why platforms like Meta and Twitter are no longer actively flagging misinformation. [00:10:00] Revisiting the meaning of the First Amendment and its application to private forums. [00:18:00] Discussing time, place, and manner restrictions in the context of campus protests and public demonstrations. [00:23:00] Reflecting on the events of January 6th and the perpetuation of election fraud narratives. [00:36:00] Learning from Gavin Newsom's engagement with controversial figures like Steve Bannon and Charlie Kirk. [00:43:00] Why civil engagement—even with those we strongly disagree with—might be more powerful than silencing falsehoods. [00:52:00] Corey's updated stance: allowing proven falsehoods to remain visible for educational and relational purposes. Featured Quotes: "Congress shall make no law... but that doesn't mean I, a private individual, can't curate conversations in my own forums." "When we disagree is when it's most important to protect free speech."  "Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Let the worst ideas stand up to scrutiny."  "Staying in relationship with those we disagree with gives us a better chance to understand and grow."  Resources Mentioned: The Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE) Gavin Newsom's Podcast

In this episode, host Corey Nathan welcomes back Monica Guzmán, Senior Fellow for Public Practice at Braver Angels, host of A Braver Way podcast, CEO of Reclaim Curiosity, and author of I Never Thought of It That Way: How to Have Fearlessly Curious Conversations in Dangerously Divided Times. Monica's mission is to help bridge America's political divides through fearless curiosity. With deep reflections on the 2024 election, evolving friendships across ideological lines, and her renewed commitment to bridge building, Monica shares how we can stay grounded and connected—especially when it feels impossible. What We Discuss: How Moni processes political polarization and stays grounded—even when the world feels divided Practical strategies for engaging with people across ideological lines without compromising your values Why shared outrage across political lines can be a gateway to unity The role of empathy, humility, and curiosity in depolarizing conversations How journalists and moderators can better navigate falsehoods without censoring legitimate concerns Episode Highlights: [00:03:00] – Mónica explains how her emotional radar helps her know when to seek out conversations with people who see politics differently. [00:08:00] – Unexpected agreement: conservatives and liberals are both frustrated with Congressional dysfunction and executive overreach. [00:14:00] – Moni shares how talking with people who had different experiences during COVID reshaped her understanding and empathy. [00:21:00] – Corey and Mónica discuss boundaries in bridge building—when is it time to walk away from a relationship? [00:29:00] – Moderating contentious conversations: “police the structure, not the content.” [00:36:00] – The relationship between activism and dialogue—and why one without the other can be reckless or ineffective. [00:46:00] – Tips for recognizing quality journalism and avoiding emotionally manipulative content. [00:56:00] – Mónica's closing advice: engagement is not endorsement. Curiosity and conversation don't mean you're compromising your values. Featured Quotes: “I've been persuaded over and over again that positions against mine are not ludicrous.” – Mónica Guzmán “Engagement is not endorsement. Having a conversation doesn't mean you're capitulating.” – Mónica Guzmán “Find your edge—and push it. That's all you need to do to build a bridge.” – Mónica Guzmán “I don't want a decision or a position to get in the way of our relationship. I want to understand it better.” – Corey Nathan Resources Mentioned: I Never Thought of It That Way by Monica Guzmán - moniguzman.com/book Braver Angels - braverangels.org

In this episode, host Corey Nathan reconnects with his longtime friend Gary Keifer, an expat currently living in Peru. Gary brings a refreshingly honest and “untethered” perspective to U.S. politics, unfiltered by party loyalty or institutional affiliation. With a background in comedy, improv, and theater, Gary offers thoughtful insights rooted in personal experience and global observations. The conversation spans topics from immigration and working-class politics to why Gary abstained from discussing American politics for years—until now. Together, Corey and Gary exemplify what it means to engage in civil discourse across ideological lines. What We Discuss: Why Gary calls himself an "untethered expat" and what that means for his political views. How the Clinton-era Democratic strategy toward the working class contributed to the rise of Trump. Why immigration is the central issue Gary believes needs urgent resolution—and how both parties have failed on it. The limitations of elite political commentary and the value of everyday perspectives. Why Trump's populism appeals to working-class voters despite his billionaire status. The potential dangers of overreaching political mandates and ignoring opposing voices. Episode Highlights: [00:02:00] – Corey introduces Gary, a longtime friend with a unique expat perspective on U.S. politics. [00:04:30] – Gary explains his belief in choosing “common people” over public figures for meaningful conversations. [00:08:00] – Why Gary broke his two-year vow of not discussing U.S. politics. [00:10:30] – How Bill Clinton's shift away from labor shaped modern political realignment. [00:16:00] – A comedic (and thought-provoking) take on Trump's origin story and Steve Bannon's influence. [00:30:00] – Gary criticizes both parties for exploiting immigration and creating a caste system. [00:34:00] – Corey and Gary analyze Biden's early decisions and whether reversing Trump-era immigration policies was a political mistake. [00:45:00] – The bipartisan immigration deal Trump blocked—and what it reveals about political strategy. [01:00:00] – Gary pleads: “Just give Trump the win on immigration so we can move on.” Featured Quotes: “Fascism doesn't just appear out of nowhere. It fills a void left by something else.” – Gary Keifer “You can't skip Chapter One of fascism—how we got here matters.” – Gary Keifer “Compromise is the substrate of democracy.” – Corey Nathan “At the end of the day, we're just regular guys trying to have conversations most people are avoiding.” – Corey Nathan

In this episode of Trailer Geeks and Teaser Gods, host Corey Nathan welcomes two industry powerhouses: Brett Winn, owner and CEO of RAVE Collective, and partner, Ben Andron, Head of Creative Advertising. Brett returns to the show, while Ben is taking his maiden voyage on the TG&TG cruise ship. From humble beginnings to big screen brilliance, this episode traces their unique career paths, shared philosophies, and the launch of their exciting new venture. What We Discuss: The unexpected origin stories of two trailer industry leaders How early career decisions shape creative leadership The importance of culture and kindness in a creative agency Why now was the right time to launch RAVE The role of humility, mentorship, and tenacity in business growth Episode Highlights: [00:02:00] Brett recalls the early days of starting Refinery AV and feeling unsure about the leap [00:05:00] Ben shares his unconventional journey from Florida to LA, and how a teaching connection got him his first gig [00:08:00] Serendipitous paths: Ben and Brett worked at the same place (Trailer Park) without knowing it [00:11:00] Ben's evolution from copywriting to producing, and eventually, writing a successful Off-Broadway play [00:21:00] Brett's leap into trailer editing and reflections on early leadership roles at Trailer Park [00:33:00] The pivotal moment of recognizing that leadership is about cultivating culture [00:40:00] The inside story of how Brett and Ben decided to partner [00:45:00] How their aligned values made the transition smooth and created a new, exciting chapter for their team Featured Quotes: “I remember we had margaritas every Friday… because I was like, we made it another week.” – Brett Winn “Having other creative outlets—writing, running, martial arts—makes me better at my job.” – Ben Andron “What are people going to say to my kids about me? That's always been my moral compass.” – Brett Winn “Happy people are creative people. You can't do this job if you're not having fun.” – Ben Andron Our Sponsors:  Make It Universal and Rotten Tomatoes presents SEEN on the SCREEN: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuq_rgCzEP_Ne0W0nk6R66sYFGr1Jrzqe  The Golden Trailer Awards: goldentrailer.com/   Brent Allen Hagel: www.brentallenhagel.com Soundstripe: app.soundstripe.com   Call to Action: Check out RAVE Collective: www.ravecollective.com Please leave us a rating and review:  https://apple.co/3QYy80e You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as www.linkedin.com/in/coreysnathan. Want to hear how the best in the business craft the world's most exciting movie trailers? Tune in every week to Trailer Geeks and Teaser Gods!

In this conversation, host Corey Nathan welcomes back Peter Wehner, contributing writer at The Atlantic and The New York Times, senior fellow at the Trinity Forum, and author of multiple books including The Death of Politics and City of Man. A former speechwriter for President George W. Bush, Pete brings a unique perspective shaped by his deep political experience, Christian faith, and unwavering moral compass. Together, Corey and Pete engage in a wide-ranging conversation on the 2024 election, the moral health of our nation, the role of the church, and the constitutional implications of a second Trump presidency. What We Discuss: How Pete Wehner processed the pivotal moments of the 2024 election, including Biden's withdrawal and Kamala Harris's campaign Why Donald Trump's reelection reveals unsettling truths about American society and the church How constitutional crises might unfold under Trump's second term Why thinkers like Vaclav Havel, Solzhenitsyn, and Tocqueville are essential guides in this political moment How to have more effective and empathetic conversations across political and religious divides Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] – Introduction to Pete Wehner's background and career [00:02:00] – Pete reflects on Biden's debate performance and why he felt Biden should have withdrawn sooner [00:05:00] – Analysis of Kamala Harris's campaign, debate performance, and what ultimately cost her the election [00:09:00] – The moral reckoning: what Trump's reelection says about American voters and the church [00:14:00] – Pete dissects why evangelicals have remained loyal to Trump and how rationalizations took hold [00:27:00] – A 30-page email exchange: Pete's attempt to reason with a high-profile Trump supporter and what it revealed [00:34:00] – Trump's “appetite for revenge”: Pete outlines troubling actions already taken in just 60 days of Trump's second term [00:41:00] – Defining a constitutional crisis and what happens when a president defies court rulings [00:46:00] – Finding hope and moral clarity through leaders like Havel, Solzhenitsyn, and Tocqueville [00:50:00] – The TP&R question: Pete's insights on how to build better conversations across our differences Featured Quotes: “Donald Trump is president because of the white evangelical vote. He touched something deep in the hearts of many Christians—and that should trouble us.” – Peter Wehner “Hope is not the conviction that something will turn out well; it's the certainty that something makes sense, regardless of how it turns out.” – Vaclav Havel (quoted by Pete) “We're moving toward a constitutional crisis... If Trump defies a court order, we may find out how many divisions Chief Justice John Roberts really has.” – Peter Wehner “We have to prioritize human relationships. The ripple effects for the country can be healthy.” – Peter Wehner Resources Mentioned: Peter Wehner's articles in The Atlantic: https://www.theatlantic.com/author/peter-wehner/ Peter Wehner's columns in The New York Times: https://www.nytimes.com/column/peter-wehner “The Power of the Powerless” by Vaclav Havel: https://www.nonviolent-conflict.org/resource/the-power-of-the-powerless/ The Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn: https://www.amazon.com/Gulag-Archipelago-1918-1956-Experiment-Investigation/dp/0061253804 Democracy in America by Alexis de Tocqueville: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/815/815-h/815-h.htm

In this episode, host Corey Nathan sits down with Charlie Sykes, a prominent conservative commentator, former talk radio host, and founder of The Bulwark, who's currently writing and podcast on his excellent Substack To the Contrary. Known for his sharp political insights and willingness to challenge the current trajectory of the Republican Party, Charlie discusses the erosion of democratic norms, the transformation of conservatism, and what the future holds for both parties.

In this episode, host Corey Nathan shares his candid thoughts on hope, concerns about the state of democracy, and the importance of engaging in meaningful conversations. Inspired by recent discussions with David French and Charlie Sykes, Corey explores whether he remains hopeful about the future—both at the national level and in his local community. What You Will Learn The state of American democracy and the balance of power How the First Amendment is being threatened Why the judicial branch has been a critical check on executive overreach The role of civil discourse in bridging ideological divides How personal relationships offer reasons for hope Episode Highlights [00:00:00] – Introduction: Exploring the question of hope in today's political climate [00:01:30] – Why Corey is concerned about the balance of power in government [00:05:00] – The judicial branch as a key safeguard against executive overreach [00:07:30] – Threats to First Amendment rights, including freedom of speech and the press [00:12:00] – The rise of online hostility and how it impacts public discourse [00:18:00] – Finding hope through local engagement and personal relationships [00:22:00] – The power of human connection in bridging political divides Featured Quotes "I have concerns about the balance of power and our First Amendment rights—but that doesn't mean I'm without hope."  "When we engage with each other at the local level, it becomes about relationships instead of transactions."  "If we really want to change things, we have to start by recognizing each other's humanity." 

Can we bridge the partisan divide and have constructive dialogue about politics and religion with "them" - people who have different beliefs about democracy, politics and religion? Are we able to simply have civil, civic conversations?  (We're grateful to have a number of new listeners. So we thought it'd be good to revisit this episode that was first aired just after the inauguration.) In this edition, host Corey Nathan explores how we can have meaningful, respectful, and productive conversations with those who think differently from us—politically, religiously, and ideologically. After four years of hosting the show and speaking with a wide array of guests, Corey shares his own insights, offering seven practical tools (plus a bonus tip) for engaging with “one of them” in a way that fosters connection rather than division. What Is Discussed How to give yourself and others grace in difficult conversations The importance of setting proper expectations when discussing sensitive topics Why asking the right questions is more powerful than having the perfect comeback How storytelling can humanize those with whom we disagree The value of being open to the phrase "I never thought of it that way" How to recognize when it's time to step away from a conversation or to love someone "from a safe distance" Resources and organizations that can help you navigate difficult discussions Episode Highlights ⏳ [00:02:00] – Reviews from listeners: the good, the bad, and the constructive ⏳ [00:05:00] – The purpose of this episode: sharing tools for engaging with "one of them" ⏳ [00:06:00] – Tool #1: Grace – Accepting that we will all make mistakes in these conversations ⏳ [00:09:00] – Tool #2: Proper Expectations – Why we shouldn't expect to change someone's mind 180 degrees ⏳ [00:12:00] – Tool #3: Asking Questions – Learning from Jesus' approach of responding with questions ⏳ [00:20:00] – Tool #4: Storytelling – The power of narrative in understanding each other as human beings ⏳ [00:25:00] – Tool #5: Being Open to "I Never Thought of It That Way" Moments ⏳ [00:32:00] – Tool #6: Recognizing Your Line – Knowing when to step away from an unhealthy dynamic ⏳ [00:35:00] – Tool #7: Equipping Yourself – Books, organizations, and resources for learning how to engage better ⏳ [00:38:00] – Bonus Tip: Taking Care of Yourself – Mental, emotional, and physical well-being in this work Featured Quotes

In this timely edition of Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other, host Corey Nathan welcomes Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde, the Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington, D.C., and the Washington National Cathedral. Bishop Budde is a well-respected spiritual leader who has appeared on PBS NewsHour, Meet the Press, Good Morning America, and The Today Show. The conversation dives into Bishop Budde's faith journey, her reflections on political and social issues, and her approach to leading with grace and courage in divisive times. The discussion also touches on the controversy surrounding her sermon and how she directly addressed Donald Trump at the National Cathedral following the 2025 presidential inauguration. What We Discuss Bishop Budde's personal faith journey, from her early religious experiences to her leadership in the Episcopal Church. The challenges of navigating faith, politics, and national unity in today's polarized climate. How to extend grace and practice mercy even in the face of criticism. The role of the church in advocating for social justice, particularly regarding immigration and LGBTQ+ rights. Strategies for engaging in difficult conversations while maintaining mutual respect. Episode Highlights [00:00:00] – Introduction to the episode and guest, Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde. [00:02:00] – Bishop Budde shares her faith journey and the struggles she faced reconciling different religious influences. [00:10:00] – The tension between faith and exclusivity: why some versions of Christianity felt limiting to her. [00:15:00] – The discipline of grace: choosing to respond with compassion rather than anger, even when faced with opposition. [00:26:00] – Bishop Budde's response to the 2025 presidential inauguration sermon controversy and the importance of speaking truth with love. [00:38:00] – Handling criticism and maintaining a sense of personal and spiritual balance. [00:52:00] – Finding hope in uncertain times: How we can cultivate a spirit of resilience and faith amid societal challenges. [00:55:00] – The importance of dialogue: How to foster better conversations across political and religious differences. [01:03:00] – Final thoughts and how to follow Bishop Budde's work. Featured Quotes "If it's not about love, it's not about God." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde "The discipline of grace is a practice, not a gift. It's about choosing to respond with love even when it's difficult." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde "To be raised from the dead—whatever that means in our own lives—requires our consent to live again, to have our hearts broken again, and to take on all of life again." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde "We need to ask ourselves: When was the last time I changed my mind? True dialogue requires being open to seeing the world differently." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde Resources Mentioned Bishop Budde's Book: How We Learn to Be Brave Episcopal Diocese of Washington – www.edow.org

In this episode, host Corey Nathan takes on one of the biggest challenges in today's society: toxic partisanship. He explores how political and social divisions have deepened, fueled by media, social networks, and entrenched ideological battles. But rather than just diagnosing the problem, Corey offers a powerful antidote—getting local and engaging in real-life, face-to-face conversations. He draws inspiration from scholars like Jonathan Haidt, Katherine Stewart and Robert Putnam, as well as his personal experiences, to make a compelling case for community-based solutions to polarization. What We Discuss ✅ The real extent of political division in America—and why it's not as bad as it seems ✅ How social media and national narratives exaggerate our differences ✅ The philosophy of Carl Schmitt and its impact on modern political discourse ✅ Why local engagement—like city council meetings, PTAs, and even bar conversations—is the key to bridging divides ✅ Practical steps to foster meaningful discussions and rebuild relationships Episode Highlights ⏳ [00:02:00] – The growing problem of toxic partisanship and how social media makes it worse ⏳ [00:05:00] – A study from More in Common shows Americans want unity, but doubt the other side does ⏳ [00:09:00] – Corey shares personal examples of online political attacks and how they reflect broader polarization ⏳ [00:14:00] – A key solution: Local engagement and organizations like Village Square ⏳ [00:17:00] – How shared community goals, like better roads and schools, help bridge ideological divides ⏳ [00:20:00] – The inspiring story of Joe Walsh and Fred Guttenberg: Two ideological opposites who became close friends ⏳ [00:23:00] – The challenge of engaging with people who seem beyond reach—and knowing when to step away ⏳ [00:26:00] – A call to action: Take the first step, invite someone for coffee, and start humanizing one another Featured Quotes

In this episode, host Corey Nathan welcomes investigative journalist and author Katherine Stewart back to the show. Katherine has spent over 15 years researching and reporting on religious nationalism and its impact on American democracy. Her new book, Money, Lies, and God: Inside the Movement to Destroy American Democracy, exposes the deep financial and ideological networks fueling Christian nationalism and the broader anti-democratic movement. This conversation explores how extreme wealth, disinformation, and religious nationalism are being weaponized against democracy—and what we can do about it.

In this edition, Corey Nathan challenges listeners—especially his fellow Christians—to consider whether they have forgotten the first commandment: "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me." He explores how idolatry has evolved beyond worshiping wooden idols and now manifests in politics, ideology, and the way Christians engage with their faith in a modern democracy. This is meant to be an open conversation for people of all beliefs. Corey discusses the intersection of faith and civic engagement, posing challenging questions about whether political preferences are shaping morality rather than the other way around.

In this episode, host Corey Nathan sits down with Brent Allen Hagel, a professional voiceover artist known for his work in movie trailers, network promos, and commercials. Brent shares his journey into the competitive world of voiceover, the evolution of trailer narration, and the craft behind delivering compelling voiceovers that captivate audiences. What We Discuss: How Brent transitioned from working in kitchens to becoming a full-time voiceover artist. The importance of training, mentorship, and workshops in voice acting. The history and evolution of trailer narration in Hollywood. How voiceover plays a role in storytelling and marketing. Insights into the business side of trailer voiceover work. Episode Highlights: ⏳ [00:01:00] – Brent shares his early love for voiceover, inspired by radio programs and old-time announcers.