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Two minutes. Real impact. Leave a review: lovethepodcast.com/politicsandreligion What if the outrage itself is the addiction? In this solo episode, Corey Nathan draws on scripture, neuroscience, Dr. Seuss, and two very personal stories to ask a harder question than who's right: are we more hooked on the fight than committed to what the fight is supposed to be about? From a son's vaccine hesitancy to a buddy who loves Pete Hegseth, Corey makes the case that the heavy lift of staying in the room with people we deeply disagree with isn't just good manners. It's the whole ballgame. Calls to Action ✅ If this conversation resonates, consider sharing it with someone who believes connection across difference still matters. ✅ Subscribe to Corey's Substack: coreysnathan.substack.com ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: lovethepodcast.com/politicsandreligion ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion Connect on Social Media Corey is @coreysnathan on all the socials… Substack LinkedIn Facebook Instagram Twitter Threads Bluesky TikTok Thanks to our Sponsors and Partners Thanks to Pew Research Center (pewresearch.org) for making today's conversation possible. Proud members of The Democracy Group Hard conversations, conducted with honesty and care. That's the whole project.

Two minutes. Real impact. Leave a review: lovethepodcast.com/politicsandreligion What if the outrage itself is the addiction? In this solo episode, Corey Nathan draws on scripture, neuroscience, Dr. Seuss, and two very personal stories to ask a harder question than who's right: are we more hooked on the fight than committed to what the fight is supposed to be about? From a son's vaccine hesitancy to a buddy who loves Pete Hegseth, Corey makes the case that the heavy lift of staying in the room with people we deeply disagree with isn't just good manners. It's the whole ballgame. Calls to Action ✅ If this conversation resonates, consider sharing it with someone who believes connection across difference still matters. ✅ Subscribe to Corey's Substack: coreysnathan.substack.com ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: lovethepodcast.com/politicsandreligion ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion Connect on Social Media Corey is @coreysnathan on all the socials… Substack LinkedIn Facebook Instagram Twitter Threads Bluesky TikTok Thanks to our Sponsors and Partners Thanks to Pew Research Center (pewresearch.org) for making today's conversation possible. Proud members of The Democracy Group Hard conversations, conducted with honesty and care. That's the whole project.

The world is more divided now than ever. Hard conversations are even harder to get into these days, and it is quite easy to get hostile to people who are not on your side. Corinna Bellizzi explores what it takes to heal these huge divides in society with Corey Nathan, host and producer of Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other. Together, they discuss how to get centered with our values, ethics, and unique humanness to bridge the chasms in our political and religious spaces. Corey explains what it means to harden yourself in this age when fear-mongering and lying have become so commonplace, how to remain open and curious, and how to fix the brokenness of the world one degree at a time. COMPLETE BLOG & TRANSCRIPT: https://caremorebebetter.com/finding-common-ground-in-hard-conversations-with-corey-nathan/ About Guest: Corey Nathan is the host and producer of "Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other," a podcast dedicated to bridging deep divides through honest, good-humored conversation. His path to this work is personal: raised in an observant Jewish household, he became a born-again Christian in his late 20s, navigating some of the hardest conversations imaginable with family and community. That experience became a calling. An entrepreneur with businesses ranging from executive search to the service sector to podcast production, Corey now focuses primarily on helping people across religious, political, and social divides actually listen to one another. His podcast is part of The Democracy Group, a network of shows working to repair civic culture. Guest LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/coreysnathan/ Guest Website: https://www.politicsandreligion.us Guest Social:  https://www.instagram.com/coreysnathan/ https://www.facebook.com/coreysnathan https://www.youtube.com/@politicsandreligion https://substack.com/@coreysnathan Show Notes: 02:30 - The Costs Of Not Having Hard Conversations 16:26 - Bridging The Gap Of Religious Divides 21:22 - Preserving What Makes Us Uniquely Human 35:07 - Finding A Common Ground Despite Disagreements 42:56 - The Immense Power Of “Tell Me More” 54:05 - Approach Hard Topics One Degree At A Time 55:05 - Discussion Wrap-up And Closing Words BUILD A GREENER FUTURE with CARE MORE BE BETTER Together, we planted 36,044 trees in 2025 through our partnership with ForestPlanet. We screamed past our goal of planting 20,000 trees thanks to subscribers like you! CAUSE PARTNER: If you value open dialogue, sustainability, and social equity, I invite you to support our new cause partner — Prescott College. To learn more about this effort and to support the show, visit: https://caremorebebetter.com/support/ Follow us on social media: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/caremorebebetter TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caremorebebetter Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/caremorebebetter Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CareMoreBeBetter LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/care-more-be-better Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Corey Nathan joins the show to deconstruct the "Rage Merchant" business model and explore how we can strengthen our civic muscle in an era of hyper-polarization. Corey is the host of Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killing Each Other and a partner in The Democracy Group podcast network.In this conversation, we move past the surface-level bickering of the news cycle to examine why our brains are often more attracted to the dopamine hit of outrage than the slow work of nuance. We discuss the "Exhausted Majority"—the vast segment of the population that feels alienated by extreme rhetoric—and offer tactical ways to navigate difficult conversations by focusing on curiosity rather than conflict.Text me your feedback and leave your contact info if you'd like a reply (this is a one-way text). Thanks, DavidSupport the showShow Notes:https://outrageoverload.net/ Contact me, David Beckemeyer by email outrageoverload@gmail.com. Follow the show on Instagram @OutrageOverload. We are also on Facebook /OutrageOverload. Check out our Subtstack https://outrageoverload.substack.comHOTLINE: 925-552-7885Got a Question, comment or just thoughts you'd like to share? Call the O2 hotline and leave a message and you could be featured in an upcoming episodeIf you would like to help the show, you can contribute here. Tell everyone you know about the show. That's the best way to support it.Rate and Review the show on Podchaser: https://www.podchaser.com/OutrageOverloadAlso check out our companion podcasts, This Week in Outrage and Outrage Science Bites.Intro music and outro music by Michael Ramir C.Many thanks to my co-editor and co-director, Austin Chen.Outrage Overload, a Conners Institute podcast, is part of The Democr...

Most of us are going to be disappointed. The question is whether that disappointment has to mean paralysis. Corey Nathan recently joined Michael Baranowski on The Politics Guys for a conversation that refuses to offer easy comfort or easy despair. The 2026 midterms are the jumping-off point: what's likely, what's actually at stake, and whether a Democratic wave would change much of anything. But the conversation goes deeper than the electoral map. Structural incentives, uncompetitive districts, the filibuster, the parliamentary rulebook, and the question of where, if anywhere, the green shoots of real democratic renewal are actually growing. This feed drop brings that conversation to the TP&R audience. Calls to Action ✅ If this conversation resonates, consider sharing it with someone who believes connection across difference still matters. ✅ Subscribe to Corey's Substack: coreysnathan.substack.com ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion Key Takeaways The wave may come, but the players mostly stay the same. Structural analysis of the 2026 midterms suggests Democrats have a strong shot at the House and an outside chance at the Senate. But more than 90% of incumbents survive any given cycle, so even a wave election doesn't reset the cast of characters or their incentives. Investigations matter, but so does whether Congress actually does its job. A Democratic House would have subpoena power and majority-staffed committees. The more important question is whether that translates into substantive accountability or just performance. Competitive elections have made compromise harder, not easier. When one party holds power for decades at a stretch, half a loaf looks good. When every election is winnable, the incentive shifts to demonization and the next cycle. The hyper-competitive era since 1994 has structural roots that don't vanish with a change in majority. The green shoots are at the state and local level. Cross-partisan collaboration is visible in places like Santa Clarita, where a Republican city council member and a Democratic congressman are working together on local infrastructure. Organizations like Future Caucus are documenting exactly this kind of millennial and Gen Z cross-partisan energy. One conversation at a time is not a consolation prize. Incremental, constitutionally grounded change is not a failure of ambition. It is, as Corey puts it, what the founders actually promised future generations. The broccoli booth in the candy store still matters. About Michael Baranowski and The Politics Guys Michael Baranowski is a political scientist and the host of The Politics Guys, a podcast committed to honest, nonpartisan political analysis. He brings an institutionalist's eye to American politics and a refreshing willingness to follow the evidence wherever it leads, including to conclusions neither side particularly wants to hear. Links and Resources The Politics Guys - politicsguys.com The Context Podcast - kettering.org/thecontext Connect on Social Media Corey is @coreysnathan on all the socials… Substack LinkedIn Facebook Instagram Twitter Threads Bluesky TikTok Thanks to our Sponsors and Partners Thanks to Pew Research Center (pewresearch.org) for making today's conversation possible. Proud members of The Democracy Group Democracy is not a spectator sport.

Most of us are going to be disappointed. The question is whether that disappointment has to mean paralysis. Corey Nathan recently joined Michael Baranowski on The Politics Guys for a conversation that refuses to offer easy comfort or easy despair. The 2026 midterms are the jumping-off point: what's likely, what's actually at stake, and whether a Democratic wave would change much of anything. But the conversation goes deeper than the electoral map. Structural incentives, uncompetitive districts, the filibuster, the parliamentary rulebook, and the question of where, if anywhere, the green shoots of real democratic renewal are actually growing. This feed drop brings that conversation to the TP&R audience. Calls to Action ✅ If this conversation resonates, consider sharing it with someone who believes connection across difference still matters. ✅ Subscribe to Corey's Substack: coreysnathan.substack.com ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion Key Takeaways The wave may come, but the players mostly stay the same. Structural analysis of the 2026 midterms suggests Democrats have a strong shot at the House and an outside chance at the Senate. But more than 90% of incumbents survive any given cycle, so even a wave election doesn't reset the cast of characters or their incentives. Investigations matter, but so does whether Congress actually does its job. A Democratic House would have subpoena power and majority-staffed committees. The more important question is whether that translates into substantive accountability or just performance. Competitive elections have made compromise harder, not easier. When one party holds power for decades at a stretch, half a loaf looks good. When every election is winnable, the incentive shifts to demonization and the next cycle. The hyper-competitive era since 1994 has structural roots that don't vanish with a change in majority. The green shoots are at the state and local level. Cross-partisan collaboration is visible in places like Santa Clarita, where a Republican city council member and a Democratic congressman are working together on local infrastructure. Organizations like Future Caucus are documenting exactly this kind of millennial and Gen Z cross-partisan energy. One conversation at a time is not a consolation prize. Incremental, constitutionally grounded change is not a failure of ambition. It is, as Corey puts it, what the founders actually promised future generations. The broccoli booth in the candy store still matters. About Michael Baranowski and The Politics Guys Michael Baranowski is a political scientist and the host of The Politics Guys, a podcast committed to honest, nonpartisan political analysis. He brings an institutionalist's eye to American politics and a refreshing willingness to follow the evidence wherever it leads, including to conclusions neither side particularly wants to hear. Links and Resources The Politics Guys - politicsguys.com The Context Podcast - kettering.org/thecontext Connect on Social Media Corey is @coreysnathan on all the socials… Substack LinkedIn Facebook Instagram Twitter Threads Bluesky TikTok Thanks to our Sponsors and Partners Thanks to Pew Research Center (pewresearch.org) for making today's conversation possible. Proud members of The Democracy Group Democracy is not a spectator sport.

Before founding Rubber Sole Creative, Stav Ozdoba came to the U.S. with one goal: become a filmmaker. Within months, he was in meetings to direct a feature. Not long after, he learned just how brutal that path could be. What followed wasn't a straight line. It was a pivot. From indie films to editing weddings. From teaching himself Final Cut to landing at Sony. From cutting sizzles and promos to leading teams and eventually building his own creative shop from the ground up. In this episode, Corey and Stav trace that journey and get into what actually sustains a career in this business. Not just passion, but craft. Not just ambition, but clarity around what you're truly good at. They also dig into how storytelling changes across platforms, why "added value" creative matters more than ever, and what it really takes to carve out space as an independent in a crowded, evolving industry. Calls to Action Follow Stav Ozdoba and Rubber Sole Creative on LinkedIn Visit: rubbersoleav.com Like what you hear? Leave a rating and review Follow Corey: @coreysnathan across platforms Subscribe for weekly conversations with the people behind the work Key Takeaways The path isn't linear, and that's the point Stav arrived in LA aiming to direct films, but the reality of the industry forced a pivot. Editing became the lane where his instincts and abilities aligned and ultimately opened more doors than chasing directing ever did. Follow what you're good at, not just what you love Passion alone isn't enough. Stav makes a clear distinction between what you enjoy and what you can consistently execute at a high level. The sweet spot is where skill and interest meet. The edit bay is the real classroom Early on, Stav learned by proximity. Watching other editors. Asking questions. Absorbing instincts. Not formal training, but immersion in the craft. Story is the constant, format is the variable Whether it's a trailer, a sizzle, or a social cut, the job is still storytelling. The platforms change. The audience behavior changes. The need to connect emotionally does not. Underserved work is often the biggest opportunity Rubber Sole was built around doing the work others overlook. Behind the scenes, sizzles, added value pieces. Done right, those pieces don't just support campaigns, they drive audience interest. Relationships still matter more than tools Even in an era of AI and rapid change, the business still runs on trust. When stakes are high, people call collaborators they know can deliver. Creative ownership requires risk tolerance Leaving Sony to start Rubber Sole wasn't a calculated leap with guarantees. It was a bet on craft, relationships, and the belief that great work would create opportunity. Standout Quotes "I stopped following my passion and started following what I'm good at." "You're always telling a story, no matter the platform." "If the work is undeniable, the room will open." "We're not competing on price. We're competing against average." "Sometimes if you don't get your dream job, you have to create it." Connect Stav Ozdoba – rubbersoleav.com Corey Nathan – @coreysnathan Sponsors The Golden Trailer Awards – goldentrailer.com Mesa Wealth Management – mezawealth.com Join the Community Leave a rating and review Share the episode with a friend in the industry Subscribe for new episodes every week Enjoying the show? Rate and review wherever you listen. It helps more people find us. Now go do some inspired work.

Send Wilk a text with your feedback! (incoming msgs only - I can't reply) Corey Nathan, host of "Talkin' Politics and Religion Without Killin' Each Other" joins Wilk for a conversation about what it actually takes to bridge divides, starting with one of the hardest conversations a person can have: telling your Orthodox Jewish father you've become a Christian.They dig into the real mechanics of tribalism — how confirmation bias works, why the reticular activating system locks us into one-sided views of the world, and how outrage entrepreneurs profit from keeping people angry at each other.But this isn't just a diagnosis. Corey and Wilk talk about practical ways to shift your frame of reference, why one degree of movement matters more than a 180-degree conversion, and what it looks like to stay in relationship with people you profoundly disagree with.If you've ever lost someone — not to death, but to a divide — this one is worth your time.Learn more about and connect with Corey Nathan by checking out the full show notes for this episode at www.DerateTheHate.com.The world is a better place if we are better people. That begins with each of us as individuals. Be kind to one another. Be grateful for all you've got. Make every day the day that you want it to be!Please follow The Derate The Hate podcast on:Facebook, Instagram, Twitter(X) ,  YouTube Subscribe to us wherever you enjoy your audio or from our site. Please leave us a rating and feedback on Apple podcasts or other platforms. You can share your thoughts or request Wilk for a speaking engagement on our contact page: DerateTheHate.com/ContactThe Derate The Hate podcast is proudly produced in collaboration with Braver Angels — America's largest grassroots, cross-partisan organization working toward civic renewal and bridging partisan divides. Learn more: BraverAngels.orgWelcome to the Derate The Hate Podcast!*The views expressed by Wilk, his guest hosts &/or guests on the Derate The Hate podcast are their own and should not be attributed to any organization they may otherwise be affiliated with.

For a significant plurality of those who voted for Donald Trump in 2024, it all really comes down to one thing. Owning the Libs. So what price is anyone willing to pay for that? The question "at what cost" doesn't belong to one side of the aisle. In this solo episode of TP&R Uninterrupted, Corey Nathan turns the lens on both Trump loyalists and progressive purists, arguing that the price of performative politics is being paid by everyone. Drawing on the More in Common "Beyond MAGA" study, real conversations with friends and family who took the GFY vote in 2024, and the electoral evidence from Virginia and New Jersey, Corey makes the case that civic renewal requires something harder than winning arguments: it requires welcoming people back in without making them confess their sins first. Calls to Action ✅ If this conversation resonates, consider sharing it with someone who believes connection across difference still matters. ✅ Subscribe to Corey's Substack: coreysnathan.substack.com ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion Key Takeaways The GFY vote is real, it's personal, and it's persuadable. Corey traces how years of condescension, finger-wagging, and political shaming drove thoughtful people — including his own son and a close Latino friend — not toward Trump's policies, but toward a defiant rejection of the people lecturing them. Understanding that pathway is the first step toward reversing it. The math makes the reluctant right the ball game. The More in Common "Beyond MAGA" study identifies the Reluctant Right as roughly 20% of Trump's 2024 coalition — more than 15 million voters. In a country where House districts are decided by 333 votes, that's not a rounding error. It's the margin. Progressive overreach has a price tag too. The same "at what cost" question Corey puts to Trump loyalists applies to the activist left. Performative purity tests, canceling the insufficiently orthodox, and demanding ideological confession before welcoming people into the coalition aren't just annoying — they're losing strategies with receipts. Loyalty to Trump has an itemized bill. From Pam Bondi's congressional hearing burn book to Marco Rubio's Oval Office silence while Zelensky was demeaned, Corey walks through the specific transactions made by people who had everything to lose. These aren't rhetorical questions. They're the same question, applied to people who answered it in public. The Buckley model points the way forward. What the pro-democracy coalition needs to do is what William F. Buckley did with the Birchers: marginalize the voices making the coalition unelectable, and when someone from the reluctant right shows up at the party, say come on in, the water's warm. Links and Resources More in Common — Beyond MAGA: Understanding the Full Spectrum of Trump Voters Hidden Tribes Study — More in Common: Hidden Tribes of America Connect on Social Media Corey is @coreysnathan on all the socials… Substack LinkedIn Facebook Instagram Twitter Threads Bluesky TikTok Thanks to our Sponsors and Partners Thanks to Pew Research Center (pewresearch.org) for making today's conversation possible. Proud members of The Democracy Group Honest conversation across difference is harder than it looks. It's also the only thing that works.

For a significant plurality of those who voted for Donald Trump in 2024, it all really comes down to one thing. Owning the Libs. So what price is anyone willing to pay for that? The question "at what cost" doesn't belong to one side of the aisle. In this solo episode of TP&R Uninterrupted, Corey Nathan turns the lens on both Trump loyalists and progressive purists, arguing that the price of performative politics is being paid by everyone. Drawing on the More in Common "Beyond MAGA" study, real conversations with friends and family who took the GFY vote in 2024, and the electoral evidence from Virginia and New Jersey, Corey makes the case that civic renewal requires something harder than winning arguments: it requires welcoming people back in without making them confess their sins first. Calls to Action ✅ If this conversation resonates, consider sharing it with someone who believes connection across difference still matters. ✅ Subscribe to Corey's Substack: coreysnathan.substack.com ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion Key Takeaways The GFY vote is real, it's personal, and it's persuadable. Corey traces how years of condescension, finger-wagging, and political shaming drove thoughtful people — including his own son and a close Latino friend — not toward Trump's policies, but toward a defiant rejection of the people lecturing them. Understanding that pathway is the first step toward reversing it. The math makes the reluctant right the ball game. The More in Common "Beyond MAGA" study identifies the Reluctant Right as roughly 20% of Trump's 2024 coalition — more than 15 million voters. In a country where House districts are decided by 333 votes, that's not a rounding error. It's the margin. Progressive overreach has a price tag too. The same "at what cost" question Corey puts to Trump loyalists applies to the activist left. Performative purity tests, canceling the insufficiently orthodox, and demanding ideological confession before welcoming people into the coalition aren't just annoying — they're losing strategies with receipts. Loyalty to Trump has an itemized bill. From Pam Bondi's congressional hearing burn book to Marco Rubio's Oval Office silence while Zelensky was demeaned, Corey walks through the specific transactions made by people who had everything to lose. These aren't rhetorical questions. They're the same question, applied to people who answered it in public. The Buckley model points the way forward. What the pro-democracy coalition needs to do is what William F. Buckley did with the Birchers: marginalize the voices making the coalition unelectable, and when someone from the reluctant right shows up at the party, say come on in, the water's warm. Links and Resources More in Common — Beyond MAGA: Understanding the Full Spectrum of Trump Voters Hidden Tribes Study — More in Common: Hidden Tribes of America Connect on Social Media Corey is @coreysnathan on all the socials… Substack LinkedIn Facebook Instagram Twitter Threads Bluesky TikTok Thanks to our Sponsors and Partners Thanks to Pew Research Center (pewresearch.org) for making today's conversation possible. Proud members of The Democracy Group Honest conversation across difference is harder than it looks. It's also the only thing that works.

Before Benj Thall was cutting trailers at some of the most influential shops in the business, he was a working child actor starring in Disney's Homeward Bound films alongside legends like Leslie Nielsen and Ned Beatty. That early life on film sets didn't just give him screen credits — it gave him a love for every corner of the craft that eventually led him behind the camera, through film school at USC, and into the edit bay. In this episode, Corey and Benj trace a career that spans Global Doghouse, Harley's House/Ignition, Mojo, and Monster, and dig into what it means to carry a trailer editor's sensibility into feature film cutting. Benj also shares the story behind Monument, the political thriller starring Jon Voight and Joe Mazzello that he edited — a deeply personal project that connects his love of storytelling, his actor's instincts, and his late father's memory. Key Takeaways The edit bay as classroom. Benj's early days at Global Doghouse meant literally knocking on Kevin Childress or Doug Brandt's door to make dubs — and using every excuse to watch them cut. Proximity to great editors, not formal training, was the real education. Emotional truth is the through line. Whether cutting a two-minute trailer or a two-hour feature, Benj is always hunting the same thing: the moment an audience doesn't know what comes next. That instinct, sharpened over decades of trailer work, is exactly what he argues trailer editors bring to features that classically trained film editors often don't. Shops shape artists. Global Doghouse and Harley's House weren't just workplaces — they were creative environments that challenged editors to push against convention. Benj credits the culture at both shops, as much as any individual mentor, for forming his aesthetic. Knowing when you're too close. On Monument, Benj cut his own trailer for the film he edited — then pressed the producers to bring in a second editor because he recognized he was too close to the material. That kind of self-awareness is rare, and he makes the case for why it matters. Trailer skills are transferable — and increasingly valued. From working with stems and sculpting music in the rough cut to getting creative out of under-covered scenes, Benj sees a real and growing appetite for trailer editors in feature post. The hustle is different, but the toolkit is more relevant than ever. Standout Quotes "It's gotta be those quick moments of emotional impact for me." "Different parts of a movie are gonna speak differently to everyone. You're looking for those universal moments that speak to all of our humanity." "I've fallen in love with cutting features. If you've got a two-actor scene, the third actor is the editor." "I pressed the production — we need to get another look. I am too close to the material." "To probably my financial detriment, I've never been locked down. But for a creative, it's about staying open to opportunities that might come." Connect Benj Thall — www.benjthalldirector.com MONUMENT, the movie — www.monument.film Corey Nathan — @coreysnathan on all platforms Sponsors Meza Wealth Management — mezawealth.com The Golden Trailer Awards — goldentrailer.com Join the Community Like what you hear? Leave us a rating and review! Connect with Corey on all platforms @coreysnathan Subscribe for new episodes every week and keep up with the world's best trailer creatives! Enjoying the show? Rate and review wherever you get your podcasts. It really does help people find us. Now go do some inspired work.

We can survive. But can we thrive? That's a different question entirely. Corey Nathan joined Andrew Keen on Keen on America to talk about the state of civic discourse in America. Robert Mueller's death and the president's response to it is the jumping-off point, but the conversation goes much deeper: the exhausted majority, the horseshoe of extremism, storytelling as a bridge across difference, and what it takes to stay in hard conversations. This feed drop brings that interview to the TP&R audience. Calls to Action ✅ If this conversation resonates, consider sharing it with someone who believes connection across difference still matters. ✅ Subscribe to Corey's Substack: coreysnathan.substack.com ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion Key Takeaways: Robert Mueller as a mirror. Mueller served under presidents of both parties, earned a Purple Heart, and devoted his education to public service. His death and the president's response to it shows what happens when tribalism does our thinking: one data point erases an entire life. The exhausted majority is real. The Hidden Tribes study from More in Common found that only 6-8% on either side qualify as genuine extremists. The other 85% are far more nuanced. They want to enjoy the barbecue and Thanksgiving dinner without it turning into a war. The conflict entrepreneurs don't represent most of us. It's a horseshoe, not a spectrum. The extreme ends have more in common with each other than either would admit. The incentive structure is identical: compete for attention, be the loudest voice in the room. Stories are the antidote to caricature. When we understand someone's story, we stop reducing them to a single data point. Corey illustrates this with a friend born in Lebanon with family in Iran who voted for Trump. The disagreements are real. But understanding the story behind the view changes everything. Surviving and thriving are not the same thing. Corey's family spent 800 years in what is now Ukraine. They knew how to survive. But survival isn't the American promise. The experiment is worth protecting and worth talking about. About Andrew Keen Andrew Keen is a British-American broadcaster and author, host of Keen on America and How to Fix Democracy. He is known for pressing his guests hard and not letting easy answers stand. Links and Resources Keen on America: https://keenon.substack.com/keenon.substack.com/ Connect on Social Media Corey is @coreysnathan on all the socials… Substack LinkedIn Facebook Instagram Twitter Threads Bluesky TikTok Thanks to our Sponsors and Partners Thanks to Pew Research Center for making today's conversation possible. Links and additional resources: The Village Square: villagesquare.us Meza Wealth Management: mezawealth.com Proud members of The Democracy Group Clarity, charity, and conviction can live in the same room.

We can survive. But can we thrive? That's a different question entirely. Corey Nathan joined Andrew Keen on Keen on America to talk about the state of civic discourse in America. Robert Mueller's death and the president's response to it is the jumping-off point, but the conversation goes much deeper: the exhausted majority, the horseshoe of extremism, storytelling as a bridge across difference, and what it takes to stay in hard conversations. This feed drop brings that interview to the TP&R audience. Calls to Action ✅ If this conversation resonates, consider sharing it with someone who believes connection across difference still matters. ✅ Subscribe to Corey's Substack: coreysnathan.substack.com ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion Key Takeaways: Robert Mueller as a mirror. Mueller served under presidents of both parties, earned a Purple Heart, and devoted his education to public service. His death and the president's response to it shows what happens when tribalism does our thinking: one data point erases an entire life. The exhausted majority is real. The Hidden Tribes study from More in Common found that only 6-8% on either side qualify as genuine extremists. The other 85% are far more nuanced. They want to enjoy the barbecue and Thanksgiving dinner without it turning into a war. The conflict entrepreneurs don't represent most of us. It's a horseshoe, not a spectrum. The extreme ends have more in common with each other than either would admit. The incentive structure is identical: compete for attention, be the loudest voice in the room. Stories are the antidote to caricature. When we understand someone's story, we stop reducing them to a single data point. Corey illustrates this with a friend born in Lebanon with family in Iran who voted for Trump. The disagreements are real. But understanding the story behind the view changes everything. Surviving and thriving are not the same thing. Corey's family spent 800 years in what is now Ukraine. They knew how to survive. But survival isn't the American promise. The experiment is worth protecting and worth talking about. About Andrew Keen Andrew Keen is a British-American broadcaster and author, host of Keen on America and How to Fix Democracy. He is known for pressing his guests hard and not letting easy answers stand. Links and Resources Keen on America: https://keenon.substack.com/keenon.substack.com/ Connect on Social Media Corey is @coreysnathan on all the socials… Substack LinkedIn Facebook Instagram Twitter Threads Bluesky TikTok Thanks to our Sponsors and Partners Thanks to Pew Research Center for making today's conversation possible. Links and additional resources: The Village Square: villagesquare.us Meza Wealth Management: mezawealth.com Proud members of The Democracy Group Clarity, charity, and conviction can live in the same room.

“We can survive. Can we thrive? That's a different question.” — Corey NathanRobert Mueller died last week. Educated at Princeton, this Vietnam veteran won a Purple Heart and then enjoyed decades of public service under presidents of both parties. But the current president celebrated Mueller's death. Such are the vagaries of American history.In contrast, Corey Nathan — host of the Talking Politics and Religion Without Killing Each Other podcast — isn't celebrating Robert Mueller's death. Nathan is from suburban northern Los Angeles County, very much at the heart of the (mythical?) American center. We discussed whether it's possible to have a civic conversation anymore. Like so many Americans, Nathan falls back on what he calls “data.” Apparently 85% of Americans are what a recent study calls the “exhausted majority.” They see themselves as anything but extreme. All they want to do is take the kids to soccer practice, enjoy their barbecue, and talk to the neighbour without the conversation degenerating into verbal war.Nathan's own story offers hope. He grew up in an Orthodox Jewish family whose roots go back eight hundred years to what is now Chernihiv in Ukraine. In his late twenties, he became a born-again Christian. His father seriously considered sitting Shiva for him — the mourning ritual for a dead family member. But he valued his relationship with his son more than his theological convictions. Twenty-five years later, the conversations are richer than ever. If an Orthodox Jewish father and his born-again Christian son can keep talking, maybe even the current American President could sit Shiva for Robert Mueller. Five Takeaways•       85% of Americans Are the Exhausted Majority: The Hidden Tribes study by More in Common found that only 6–7% on the right and 7–8% on the left are what we'd think of as extremes. The rest — 85% — are far more nuanced in their views. They want to go to the barbecue, take the kids to soccer practice, and have a conversation with the neighbour without it turning into a war. The conflict entrepreneurs on both sides have taken all the oxygen.•       Mueller Was Everything We Say We Want in Our Kids: Purple Heart. Ivy League education. Used his degrees for public service instead of money. Served under presidents of both parties. Stayed on at the FBI after 9/11 when the country needed him. And the current president said he was glad he died.•       ICE Came to the Neighbouring Church: Nathan's pastor had to have the conversation: if ICE comes, they're welcome to worship — but here are our legal obligations. A suburban mom was shot in her front seat two months ago. Is anything visibly wrong in the American suburbs? Today, at his house, no. But these things are happening all over the country.•       His Father Almost Sat Shiva for Him: Nathan grew up in an Orthodox Jewish family. In his late twenties, he became a born-again Christian. His father seriously considered performing the mourning ritual for a living son. But he valued the relationship with his child more than his theological convictions. Twenty-five years later, the conversations are richer than ever.•       We Can Survive. Can We Thrive? Nathan's family lived in what is now Chernihiv, Ukraine, for eight hundred years. One day to the next, nothing changed — until the Cossacks burned the houses and the Bolsheviks came. Democracy isn't perfect, but it's the system that lets us thrive, not just survive. About the GuestCorey Nathan is the host and producer of Talking Politics and Religion Without Killing Each Other, a top 1% podcast. He lives in northern Los Angeles County.References:•       Talking Politics and Religion Without Killing Each Other — Nathan's podcast.•       Episode 2849: How Stories Can Save Us — Colum McCann on Narrative Four, referenced in the conversation.•       Episode 2846: How to Be Agreeably Disagreeable — Julia Minson on disagreeing better. Nathan is the practitioner to Minson's science.About Keen On AmericaNobody asks more awkward questions than the Anglo-American writer and filmmaker Andrew Keen. In Keen On America, Andrew brings his pointed Transatlantic wit to making sense of the United States — hosting daily interviews about the history and future of this now venerable Republic. With nearly 2,800 episodes since the show launched on TechCrunch in 2010, Keen On America is the most prolific intellectual interview show in the history of podcasting.WebsiteSubstackYouTubeApple PodcastsSpotify Chapters:(00:31) - Introduction: Robert Mueller dies, Trump says he's glad (03:25) - Mueller as American tragedy: David Frum and the centrist view (05:48) - The exhausted majority: Hidden Tribes and the 85% (08:40) - Is the left as bad as the right? (10:15) - Braver Angels, shell-shock, and the people who just want a barbecue (13:53) - If a foreigner landed in your suburb, would they notice anything wrong? (15:33) - ICE at the neighbouring church. A mom shot in her front seat. (17:43) - The secret sauce of talking without killing (20:26) - Colum McCann, Narrative Four, and storytelling as civic repair (22:04) - Does democracy really matter if you've got soccer practice? (24:04) - Surviving vs. thriving: eight hundred years as strangers in a strange land (25:19) - The First Amendment's two halves: freedom of and freedom from (28:55) - An Orthodox Jew becomes a born-again Christian. His father almost sits Shiva. (32:04) - The revolutionary centre: Adrian Wooldridge and the lost genius of liberalism

Jordan Hayman has sat in almost every seat in this industry. Jumbotron editor for the Lakers during their championship run. Creative executive at Alkemi, working indie theatrical. Client-side at Lifetime under the legendary Bob and Lew. Broadcast division builder at AV Squad. And now, founder of The Shop, the boutique he always knew he'd build from the moment he was running packages around town for Tony Seiniger as a high schooler. This one goes deep on the career, the grind, and the decisions that don't have clean answers. Jordan talks about what it took to start a broadcast division from scratch, why building relationships from day one at Fox Sports in 1996 was the most important business strategy he never consciously planned, and how working both sides of the table made him a better vendor. We also get into The Last Dance and what it was like to cut over a hundred trailers for the most anticipated sports documentary in years, the Tyson-Paul Countdown for Netflix, and the theatrical sensibility that separates The Shop from most broadcast-focused competitors. Key Takeaways The Relationship Is the Portfolio From his first internship to founding The Shop, Jordan's career has run on relationships built with patience and maintained with consistent delivery. Creativity matters, but so does customer service, speed, and knowing what it feels like to be on the other side of the table. Working Both Sides Changes Everything Spending time as a network executive at Lifetime gave Jordan something most agency-side people don't have: a first-hand understanding of what clients actually need. When he went back to the agency side, he knew exactly what a room like Bob and Lew's expected to see. Build a Division Like You're Proving It's Possible Starting AV Squad's broadcast arm from nothing was terrifying. Jordan spent months with almost no work and nearly convinced himself he'd be fired. Scott Edwards told him to enjoy the calm before the storm. He was right. Theatrical Sensibility Is Non-Negotiable Now The line between broadcast, streaming, and theatrical has effectively collapsed. Jordan and his partner Nick Shakarian brought theatrical DNA into every network campaign they touched, and that cross-pollination is now the price of admission for anyone doing serious streaming work. Surround Yourself with All-Stars The hardest part of starting a company isn't the creative. It's everything else. Jordan's solution was simple: find the best people for every role and get out of their way. Notable Quotes "From day one, from Fox Sports, from 1996 — everybody I came in contact with, I tried to be good to them." "When I was done working for Bob and Lew, I thought to myself, I can do anything. Not everybody made it out of there alive." "That was definitely my master's degree." "I am not a business person. I'm a creative person." "My dad told me not to do it. But I wouldn't want to do anything else, man." Connect The Shop — theshoptrailers.com Corey Nathan — @coreysnathan on all platforms Sponsors Meza Wealth Management — mezawealth.com The Golden Trailer Awards — goldentrailer.com Join the Community Like what you hear? Leave us a rating and review! Connect with Corey on all platforms @coreysnathan Subscribe for new episodes every week and keep up with the world's best trailer creatives! Enjoying the show? Rate and review wherever you get your podcasts. It really does help people find us. Now go do some inspired work.

What does it sound like when a trailer editor thinks in rhythm, builds in silence, and treats every scene break like a musical beat? Lead editor Lauren Zoller of X/AV traces her path from a Chapman BFA to a Lionsgate internship, through Ignition (where she shadowed some of the greats) and nearly nine years at Mocean before landing at X/AV in 2021. She's become one of the most versatile editors in streaming, cutting The Punisher and Tulsa King alongside Peaky Blinders, DTF: St. Louis, and Poker Face — sometimes in the same week. The conversation digs into the sound design on the Peaky Blinders: The Mortal Man teaser, how a Crystal Method track set the structural DNA of the DTF trailer, and why a prominent commercial song changes how she shapes a piece. Lauren also talks about the industry's culture shift, mentorship in a remote-work world, and her role on the Soapbox advisory board. Key Takeaways Editing Is Solving a Puzzle Without the Picture Assembling pieces into a story without a finished image to guide you — it's what drew Lauren to the craft over directing or writing, and it still drives how she approaches every project. Rhythm Is Felt Before It's Measured Growing up playing drums gave Lauren a timing instinct that lives in her body as much as on the timeline. On the Peaky teaser, quiet and loud sections landed within four to six frames of each other in length — not because she mathd it out, but because she could feel it. Sound Design Is Storytelling Reverb, silence, a spinning coin — every sound element in the Peaky teaser was a narrative choice. On-camera dialogue got less reverb because that's the character's present-tense reality. Off-screen thoughts got more, because we're inside his head. Range Is Developed, Not Given Lauren's versatility is something she built at X/AV out of necessity. At larger shops, editors sometimes get typecast. At a smaller shop, you have to be able to do it all — and she's found she loves it. Soft Skills Are the Core of the Job The most durable skill in this industry is adaptive problem-solving: understanding what someone's asking for when the words don't quite match, being easy to work with under pressure, and knowing when to kill your darlings. Notable Quotes "It's like solving a puzzle without the picture." "We contain multitudes." "You can still do really good work and not get yelled at." "I just wanna keep making cool shit." Connect Lauren Zoller — www.linkedin.com/in/lauren-mckeithan-zoller-3b020016/ Corey Nathan — @coreysnathan on all platforms Our Sponsors Meza Wealth Management — mezawealth.com The Golden Trailer Awards — goldentrailer.com Join the Community Like what you hear? Leave us a rating and review! Connect with Corey on all platforms @coreysnathan Subscribe for new episodes every week and keep up with the world's best trailer creatives!

What does it cost a person to go unseen? And what does it ask of us to truly see one another? In this solo reflection, Corey Nathan explores the moral weight of being seen and the deliberate cruelty of being made invisible. From Marilynne Robinson's Lila to Muhammad Ali's thundering "What's my name?" to Mother Teresa's gaze upon the discarded, this episode traces a thread that runs through literature, history, jazz, and the headlines of this particular moment. When Attorney General Pam Bondi turned her back on Jeffrey Epstein's survivors, when federal agents hide behind masks while the faces of those they detain are photographed and published, when a president plasters his name above John F. Kennedy's, these are not isolated incidents. They are a pattern. And naming that pattern is where the work begins. What would it mean to choose differently? To look at one another the way John Ames looked at Lila? To call each other by our own names? Calls to Action ✅ If this conversation resonates, consider sharing it with someone who believes connection across difference still matters. ✅ Subscribe to Corey's Substack: coreysnathan.substack.com ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion What This Episode Explores The Need to Be Seen To be seen — truly seen, not used or categorized or erased — is both what we most need and what can make us most exposed. Marilynne Robinson's Lila captures this with devastating precision: the way genuine recognition can feel terrifying to someone who has only ever been seen as a body to be used. When Power Weaponizes Invisibility Pam Bondi sat before Congress with her back to Jeffrey Epstein's survivors. Federal agents conceal their identities behind masks while those they detain are pictured and named. Those killed in lethal operations are reduced to labels. The pattern Colonel David Lapan identified is not accidental: those with power choose who remains invisible and who is exposed. What's My Name Muhammad Ali didn't just fight Ernie Terrell in 1967. He demanded to be known on his own terms, not by a name others had assigned him. The jazz musicians of the 1940s did the same thing, quietly and subversively, by calling each other "man" in a culture that called Black men "boy." To name someone is to acknowledge their humanity. The Counterexamples From Mother Teresa to David Brooks to Vaclav Havel, this episode draws on voices who understood what it means to see and be seen, as well as why that capacity is never merely symbolic. It is the foundation of moral culture. The Challenge to the Church As a Christian, Corey wrestles honestly with a hard number: more than two-thirds of white evangelicals continue to support an administration whose record on human dignity, as described in this episode, is difficult to square with the gospel. What We Can Choose None of us can single-handedly reshape national politics. But we can choose how we see each other. We can turn around and see those this administration will not. Why This Matters Now The daily acts of seeing, naming, and beholding are not symbolic gestures. They are the building blocks of moral culture. And when those in authority systematically exploit the need to be seen or weaponize anonymity to strip others of their humanity, the response can't only be political. It has to be personal. As Jesse Jackson shared with a group of children on Sesame Street: I am... somebody. Connect on Social Media Corey is @coreysnathan on all the socials... Substack LinkedIn Facebook Instagram Twitter Threads Bluesky TikTok Thanks to our Sponsors and Partners Thanks to Pew Research Center for making today's conversation possible. Links and additional resources: Pew Research Center: pewresearch.org Meza Wealth Management: mezawealth.com Proud members of The Democracy Group Final Thought The world will not always look at you the way you deserve to be seen. But you can choose to look that way at others. Now go talk some politics and religion. And step forward. With gentleness and respect.

What happens when a technology-minded New Yorker stumbles into Hollywood and ends up reshaping how the industry makes trailers, title sequences, and motion graphics for the next three decades? This week, Eric Ladd joins the show to talk about his winding path from floppy disk drives and Bank of America to running Novocom, building Pittard Sullivan into a global powerhouse, and founding Picture Mill, one of the most influential design and motion graphics companies in entertainment marketing history. Now he's doing it again with Ignite XR, creating AR and social content tools contracted by TikTok, Snapchat, and Instagram. Along the way, the conversation covers how Picture Mill got its name (in a single impulsive moment at a lunch meeting), the deal that fell apart and sent half of Pittard's leadership out the door to start their own companies, and how Eric pioneered digital before the industry even had a name for it. He also shares what it was like to shoot the Mandalay tiger in Hawaii, fly to Edwards Air Force Base with a first-time solo pilot to blow up a quarter-scale hotel, and pitch George Lucas on a Star Wars re-release trailer using a clip of Apocalypse Now on VHS. Key Takeaways Confidence Is a Skill Before leaving Pittard, Eric had already grown Novocom from two people to sixty. That track record gave him the credibility to walk into Aspect Ratio's Citrus lunch meeting with an $8.5M business plan he'd written in two hours — and walk out with a credit line and the name Picture Mill. The People You Work With Are the Real Portfolio When asked about favorite campaigns, Eric sidestepped the question entirely: "I have favorite people." The relationships formed in those early years, including editors, designers, producers, directors, are what he actually carries forward. Know When to Leave, and Who Should Replace You At Pittard, Eric not only knew when his time was up, he named Anne Epstein as the person who should take the job. Succession thinking and generosity with credit have been constants throughout his career. Bleeding Edge Requires a Tolerance for Uncertainty Whether it was scanning and comping an entire Spike Lee trailer in the early days of digital, pioneering AR filters on Snapchat before the platforms knew what to do with them, or landing a contract with ByteDance by simply delivering a working product without being asked, Eric's approach has always been to figure it out first and explain it later. AI Is a Tool, Not a Threat... If You Have Ideas The conversation about AI cuts to the heart of what this show is about. Eric's view: "It all comes down to ideas." AI can execute, but someone still has to direct it. The people who will struggle are those who were already functioning as tools themselves. Notable Quotes "I went over there at five o'clock and Ed and I were there till ten. We just clicked." "I said, 'You can't afford me.' He said, 'How much do you want?' Six months later my paycheck just went WHOOSH." "When we came back from lunch, we'd hired every one of those people in the waiting room." "It all comes down to ideas. AI can give you ideas, but it lacks what humans can do with them." "A lot of being successful has to do with wherewithal. If you can hang in there long enough, you can be successful doing anything." "When we're gone, those stories are gonna be gone with us." "Not anymore. They're on the record!" Connect Eric Ladd — ignitexr.com Corey Nathan — @coreysnathan on all platforms Our Sponsors Meza Wealth Management – mezawealth.com The Golden Trailer Awards – goldentrailer.com Join the Community Like what you hear? Leave us a rating and review! Connect with Corey on all platforms @coreysnathan Subscribe for new episodes every week and keep up with the world's best trailer creatives!

A Note for TP&R Listeners From time to time, it helps to talk about something other than politics in order to understand politics. Sports is one of the last shared civic spaces where identity, loyalty, disagreement, trash talk, and even tribalism can play out without destroying relationships. In other words, many of the same human instincts we explore on Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other show up in a baseball season just as clearly as they do in an election season. So today's episode comes from another show in the SCAN Media family, East Meets West Sports, co-hosted with veteran broadcaster Rick Garcia. Same curiosity about why people care so deeply about what they care about. Just with box scores instead of polling numbers. If it's your thing, great. If not, regular TP&R programming resumes next episode. Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is proud to be part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts examining what is broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it. And thank you to Pew Research Center (pewresearch.org) for helping make conversations like this possible. East Meets West Sports with Rick Garcia and Corey Nathan Rick Garcia and Corey Nathan kick off baseball season with a deep dive into the offseason moves that have everyone talking and at least one list that has Corey fuming about West Coast bias. They break down the Dodgers' superteam additions of Edwin Diaz and Kyle Tucker, the Mets' stacked roster and farm system, and why teams like Pittsburgh can scout great talent but can't hold onto it. They also get into the salary cap debate, Steve Cohen's "no captain" declaration, and whether meddling owners ever really help their teams. And in Pop That Culture, they tackle the biggest controversy heading into the Winter Olympics: Norway's ski jumping suits, a crotch-area aerodynamics scandal that has to be heard to be believed. Find Us On Apple Podcasts | Spotify | YouTube Follow Rick Garcia: @RickGarciaNews on X (Twitter) Follow Corey Nathan: @coreysnathan on Substack, Threads, Instagram, X & more Key Takeaways 1. The Dodgers Just Keep Getting Better Yahoo Sports graded the Dodgers' offseason an A+, and it's hard to argue. Adding Edwin Diaz from the Mets and Kyle Tucker as a free agent gives them arguably the deepest roster in the game (even if Tucker now ranks as maybe the seventh-best player on his own team). 2. Corey Is Very Excited About the Mets (No Surprise There) Two surefire Hall of Famers in Francisco Lindor and Juan Soto, a legit ace in Freddie Peralta, a deep rotation, improved defense up the middle, and a top-five farm system, even after trading prospects. Rookie of the Year candidate Nolan McLean headlines a wave of young talent coming up. Corey believes. Rick is... skeptical. 3. The "Most Improved" List Has a West Coast Bias Problem A MLB.com ranking of teams that improved most this offseason had the Giants and Rockies ahead of the Mets. The Rockies! Corey had thoughts. Many thoughts. The list is based on "projected WAR," which only raises more questions. 4. Small-Market Teams Are Wasting Their Advantages Pittsburgh has one of the best farm systems in baseball, including the top overall prospect, but keeps developing players for wealthier teams to sign away. Rick and Corey agree the game needs a salary floor, not just a luxury tax, to force lower-payroll owners to actually invest in their teams. 5. Steve Cohen Says No Captains, Ever The Mets owner drew headlines by declaring there will never be a team captain while he owns the club. Rick's take: that's exactly the kind of call owners shouldn't be making. Corey's take: Cohen is actually a good owner who trusts his front office. And Lindor leads whether he has a C on his jersey or not. 6. CrotchGate Comes to the Winter Olympics Norway's ski jumping team has been caught altering the crotch area of its suits to gain an aerodynamic edge. The physics actually make sense. A roomier suit creates lift during the V-position jump. Some athletes allegedly went further than just tailoring. Rick and Corey debate whether this is innovative gamesmanship or just cheating. There is only one correct answer. Or maybe two. The season starts. The arguments never do.

How do we balance free speech, platform accountability, and democratic integrity when technology moves faster than policy? In this episode, Katie Harbath, the "election whisperer to the tech industry," joins Corey Nathan to discuss the impossible trade-offs facing social media platforms, the evolving landscape of AI and misinformation, and what it means to "panic responsibly" in an era of rapid technological change. Katie spent a decade at Facebook as a policy director managing elections globally, navigating crises from Cambridge Analytica to the 2020 election. Now as CEO of Anchor Change and Chief Global Affairs Officer at Duco, she helps organizations understand how the internet shapes democracy. The conversation explores how to use AI ethically in creative work, the challenges of content moderation at scale, why community notes might be better than fact-checking, and how individuals can reclaim agency over their information diets. Katie also shares her personal evolution on free speech, the difference between distribution and moderation, and why the next four years will require all of us to find new ways to ground ourselves. Calls to Action ✅ If this conversation resonates, consider sharing it with someone who believes connection across difference still matters. ✅ Subscribe to Corey's Substack: coreysnathan.substack.com ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion Key Takeaways Panic Responsibly: Don't be paralyzed by fear of AI or technological change. Take agency over how you use these tools while considering ethical guardrails Impossible Trade-offs: Platform decisions involve choices between imperfect options with unknowable long-term consequences (see: Cambridge Analytica stemming from 2010's Open Graph) AI Ethics in Practice: Katie uses AI to organize thoughts, identify themes, spot repetitive phrases, and show line edits; but keeps human input and output central to the creative process Free Speech Evolution: Even tech policy experts are evolving their views. Katie has moved toward greater support for free speech while recognizing the importance of context and consequences Distribution vs. Moderation: The key question isn't just what stays on platforms, but what gets amplified by algorithms. Distribution decisions matter as much as content decisions Community Notes > Fact-Checking: Collaborative, crowdsourced context may be more effective and less politically fraught than centralized fact-checking operations You Have Agency: Individuals control which platforms they use, what content they engage with, and what news sources they consume. These choices train algorithms and shape experiences Election Infrastructure Improved: Despite continued challenges, election officials have made significant strides since 2020 in security, preparedness, and collaboration with tech platforms Social Media: Mixed Bag: Platforms have given voice to candidates and causes that would otherwise struggle for attention, but have also created new challenges for democracy Information Audit: Katie recommends doing an annual "news audit" to ensure your media consumption aligns with your values and includes diverse perspectives across the political spectrum About Our Guest Katie Harbath is an award-winning global leader at the intersection of technology, policy, and elections. She spent a decade at Facebook as a Public Policy Director, where she built and led the teams that managed elections globally, navigating some of the platform's most challenging moments. Today, Katie is the CEO of Anchor Change, a technology consulting firm, and Chief Global Affairs Officer at Duco. Described as the "election whisperer to the tech industry," she helps organizations navigate the complex intersections of technology, democracy, and policy. Katie is writing a book about her experiences in tech policy and is a sought-after voice on issues of platform governance, content moderation, AI ethics, and the future of democracy in the digital age. She is known for her pragmatic approach to impossible trade-offs and her catchphrase "panic responsibly" when it comes to emerging technologies. Links and Resources Katie Harbath's Work: Substack: anchorchange.substack.com Anchor Change: anchorchange.com Duco Experts: ducoexperts.com Katie's AI Ethics and Disclosure Statement: anchorchange.substack.com/p/ethics-and-transparency-statement Connect on Social Media Corey is @coreysnathan on all the socials... Substack LinkedIn Facebook Instagram Twitter Threads Bluesky TikTok Thanks to our Sponsors and Partners Thanks to Pew Research Center for making today's conversation possible. Gratitude as well to Village Square for coming alongside us in this work and helping foster better civic dialogue. Links and additional resources: Pew Research Center: pewresearch.org The Village Square: villagesquare.us Meza Wealth Management: mezawealth.com Proud members of The Democracy Group Clarity, charity, and conviction can live in the same room.

In Davos last month, Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney lamented what he called “the end of a pleasant fiction.” That notion has is hard to fathom yet impossible to ignore. For decades, the United States did not merely wield power. It framed power in moral terms. Legitimacy. Integrity. Rules. Whether we always lived up to those words is one question. Whether we still speak them with credibility is another. In this solo reflection, Corey Nathan explores what it means when America is no longer the country that lends moral language to the world order, but the country other nations feel compelled to hedge against. From Tocqueville's warning about democratic withdrawal to Jonathan Rauch's analysis of patrimonialism, from Lincoln's humility to the theological posture of the National Prayer Breakfast, this episode wrestles with a turning point. If the pleasant fiction is over, what replaces it? Calls to Action ✅ If this conversation resonates, consider sharing it with someone who believes connection across difference still matters. ✅ Subscribe to Corey's Substack: coreysnathan.substack.com ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion What This Episode Explores The End of a Moral Vocabulary For generations, American power was framed in moral language. Integrity and legitimacy were not just strategic tools but aspirations. Today, that language lands differently, not as calling card but as indictment. From Moral Order to Patrimonialism Drawing on the work of Jonathan Rauch, this episode examines what happens when public power begins to resemble personal property. Loyalty replaces rules. Access depends on fealty. Markets and institutions begin to read the room rather than uphold neutral principles. The National Prayer Breakfast and Theological Posture A prayer breakfast is meant to orient upward in humility. When reverence bends inward, the shift is not merely stylistic. It is theological. Tocqueville's Warning Democracy's danger may not arrive as sudden tyranny but as gradual withdrawal. Citizens retreat into private grievance. Moral discipline erodes. Individualism curdles into narcissism. The Comforting Assumption About Ourselves Nearly every white pastor today believes they would have stood with Martin Luther King Jr. The question is not whether that belief is sincere. The question is whether it would have been true. The Choice Before Citizens The world is already adjusting. Allies hedge. Middle powers collaborate. The question now belongs to citizens, not prime ministers. Withdrawal is understandable. It is not inevitable. Why This Matters Now The loss at stake is not only status but trust. If the pleasant fiction required tending, then its collapse requires responsibility. Renewal, if it comes, will not arrive through taunts or spectacle. It will be decided by habits, by courage, by whether citizens retreat or step forward. Connect on Social Media Corey is @coreysnathan on all the socials... Substack LinkedIn Facebook Instagram Twitter Threads Bluesky TikTok Thanks to our Sponsors and Partners Thanks to Pew Research Center for making today's conversation possible. Gratitude as well to Village Square for coming alongside us in this work and helping foster better civic dialogue. Links and additional resources: Pew Research Center: pewresearch.org The Village Square: villagesquare.us Meza Wealth Management: mezawealth.com Proud members of The Democracy Group Final Thought The question is not who we would like to identify with in the story. The question is where our words, positions, and actions actually place us. Go talk some politics and religion. Step forward. With gentleness and respect.

What does it take to break into the trailer business, survive the agency grind, and help shape campaigns for some of the biggest films of the last two decades? This week on Trailer Geeks and Teaser Gods, we sit down with Creative Director, Producer and Creative Executive Kazadi Katambwa to discuss craft, career, and creative instinct. Kazadi walks through his journey from film-loving college student in the Midwest to runner at Wiser Post, to assistant editor at Intralink, and eventually to cutting and producing major theatrical campaigns for films like The Dark Knight, Inception, Dunkirk, Mad Max: Fury Road, and many more. Along the way, the conversation explores the realities of Hollywood career paths, the importance of mentorship, and the delicate art of marketing great movies without getting in their way. Kazadi shares behind-the-scenes stories about working with Christopher Nolan, the challenge of distilling high-concept films into thirty seconds, and the creative leap from editor to producer to studio executive. From humble beginnings with a Thomas Guide in the passenger seat to shaping global campaigns at Amazon Studios, this episode is packed with insight, humor, and hard-earned wisdom for anyone who loves trailers or dreams of making them. Key Takeaways From Runner to Creative Voice Kazadi reflects on starting at the very bottom of post-production and learning the craft by watching great editors work. Patience, curiosity, and a willingness to say yes opened doors that formal plans never could. Reverse Engineering Great Trailers Early on, Kazadi studied timelines and cuts to understand how trailers were built. That hands-on education became the foundation of his editorial instincts. Working on The Dark Knight and Inception Marketing films of that caliber brought unique pressures. Great movies can be harder to market because the campaign must rise to the same level of excellence. Quiet Can Be Louder Than Loud On campaigns like Dunkirk, restraint and confidence became creative tools. Sometimes a simple heartbeat and the right image communicate more than any barrage of sound. The Power of Relationships Career moves from Intralink to Seismic to Buddha Jones happened through trust and collaboration. In trailer marketing, reputation and relationships remain everything. Evolving From Editor to Executive Moving from the editing chair to creative leadership required a new mindset. Protecting the creative while guiding teams became the next chapter of the journey. Understanding Filmmakers Working with directors like Christopher Nolan reinforced a crucial lesson. Great campaigns respect the filmmaker's vision and find ways to amplify it rather than replace it. Notable Quotes "Sometimes marketing a bad movie is hard. But marketing a great movie can be even harder." "Loud is not always the best thing. Quiet can be just as powerful." "Study the timeline. That's where the education really happens." "The best trailers feel confident. You can sense when a campaign is trying too hard." "Relationships are what move careers forward in this town." Connect Kazadi Katambwa – linkedin.com/in/kazadi-katambwa-819921123 Corey Nathan – @coreysnathan on all platforms Our Sponsors Meza Wealth Management – mezawealth.com The Golden Trailer Awards – goldentrailer.com Join the Community Like what you hear? Leave us a rating and review! Connect with Corey on all platforms @coreysnathan Subscribe for new episodes every week and keep up with the world's best trailer creatives!

How do we learn to see one another as human again in a moment shaped by fear, fragmentation, and outrage? In this episode, photographer, author, and storyteller John Noltner joins Corey Nathan as part of TP&R's ongoing Weavers series in partnership with Weave: The Social Fabric Project. John's work spans five continents and centers on a simple but demanding conviction: storytelling and art can help restore trust, dignity, and connection in a divided world. From Minneapolis in the midst of national attention to the U.S. southern border, Northern Ireland, and beyond, John reflects on what it means to bear witness without exploiting pain, to listen without trying to win, and to practice proximity rather than abstraction. The conversation explores how curiosity can disarm contempt, why relationship must precede disagreement, and what it takes to stay open to human connection without becoming numb to suffering. Calls to Action ✅ If this conversation resonates, consider sharing it with someone who believes connection across difference still matters. ✅ Subscribe to Corey's Substack: coreysnathan.substack.com ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion Key Takeaways • Storytelling and art can open space for understanding when facts and arguments fail • It is possible to encounter deep disagreement without abandoning moral clarity • Curiosity is a practice, not a personality trait, and it can be cultivated • Human connection requires patience before tackling the most contentious issues • Being seen is different from being observed, and the difference matters • Proximity to people is often more illuminating than distance from ideas • The social fabric is frayed in partisan politics but surprisingly strong in local acts of care • Vulnerability deepens connection but carries real emotional cost About the Guest John Noltner is an award winning author, photographer, and founder of A Peace of My Mind. His work focuses on peacebuilding, conflict transformation, and human dignity through storytelling. John has produced projects for national publications, Fortune 500 companies, and nonprofit organizations, and his books and exhibitions have been used by communities across the world to foster dialogue and civic trust. Links and Resources • A Peace of My Mind: apeaceofmymind.org • Audio Reflection Course: 40 Days Toward Deeper Listening • Podcast: A Peace of My Mind • Instagram: @apommstories Connect on Social Media Corey is @coreysnathan on all the socials... Substack LinkedIn Facebook Instagram Twitter Threads Bluesky TikTok Thanks to our Sponsors and Partners Thanks to Pew Research Center for making today's conversation possible. Gratitude as well to Village Square for coming alongside this work and helping foster better civic dialogue. Links and additional resources: Pew Research Center: pewresearch.org The Village Square: villagesquare.us Meza Wealth Management: mezawealth.com Proud members of The Democracy Group Clarity, charity, and conviction can live in the same room.

Most people imagine themselves as the ones who would have resisted. The ones who would have spoken up. The ones who would have refused to go along. History tends to tell a different story. In this episode, Corey Nathan explores how anonymity subtly yet significantly reshapes moral responsibility. Not all at once, and not dramatically, but steadily. What begins as distance or abstraction often ends as permission. Permission to flatten, dismiss, or dehumanize without fully reckoning with the human cost. This episode serves as a spoken companion to the essay Anonymity and the Collapse of the Thou, tracing how moral imagination thins when people stop encountering one another as full human beings. Calls to Action ✅ If this episode resonates, consider sharing it with someone who might need a reminder that disagreement doesn't have to mean dehumanization. ✅ Check out our Substack: coreysnathan.substack.com ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion What This Episode Explores Anonymity as a continuum Anonymity is not simply named versus nameless. At one end lies healthy privacy and necessary protection. Move far enough along that continuum, however, and something shifts. Neighbors become avatars. Persons become categories. Moral responsibility begins to erode. From I-Thou to I-It Drawing on the work of Martin Buber, the episode contrasts I-Thou relationships, which recognize the other as a person, with I-It relationships, which reduce the other to a function, role, or obstacle. Anonymity subtly nudges human interaction away from encounter and toward objectification. How dehumanization actually happens Rarely does anyone set out to be cruel. Language flattens. Tone sharpens. Context disappears. Once people become abstractions, harm starts to feel like enforcement, righteousness, or necessity rather than cruelty. The story we tell ourselves about history History is rarely judged by who people imagined themselves to be. It is judged by who benefited from their choices, who was cast as the threat, and who paid the price. The episode challenges the comforting assumption that moral clarity would have come easily. Moral distance and accountability Anonymity creates moral distance, and moral distance makes unbearable actions easier to justify. This insight reaches beyond platforms and politics into Scripture, civic life, and the foundations of constitutional self government, all of which presume identifiable responsibility. Why this matters now Cultures trained to dehumanize do not become lethal overnight. Words loosen first. Norms erode next. By the time violence appears, it often feels inevitable to those involved. Democracy survives not on procedures alone, but on people repeatedly choosing to see one another as human. Episode Sponsors and Partners Thanks to Pew Research Center for making today's conversation possible. Gratitude as well to Village Square for coming alongside this work and helping foster better civic dialogue. Links and additional resources: Pew Research Center: pewresearch.org The Village Square: villagesquare.us Meza Wealth Management: mezawealth.com Proud members of The Democracy Group Connect on Social Media Corey is @coreysnathan on all the socials... Substack LinkedIn Facebook Instagram Twitter Threads Bluesky TikTok Final Thought The question is not who we would like to identify with in the story. The question is where our words, positions, and actions actually place us. Go talk some politics and religion with gentleness and respect.

How do societies decide which stories to tell about themselves and which truths to soften or ignore? In this episode, historian, communications strategist, and Freedom Over Fascism host Dr. Stephanie Wilson joins Corey Nathan to discuss collective memory, historical narrative, and the language shaping American civic life right now. Drawing on her academic work on Jerusalem, her experience in political communications, and her current focus on democracy and messaging, Stephanie explores how myths take hold, why people instinctively place themselves on the “right side” of history, and what happens when cruelty and dehumanization become normalized tools of power. Along the way, the conversation wrestles with Israel and Palestine, fascism and language, media failure, activism, and what it actually takes to engage across deep disagreement without abandoning moral clarity. Calls to Action ✅ If this episode resonates, consider sharing it with someone who might need a reminder that disagreement doesn't have to mean dehumanization. ✅ Check out our Substack: coreysnathan.substack.com ✅ Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen: ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics ✅ Subscribe to Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other on your favorite podcast platform. ✅ Watch the full conversation and subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@politicsandreligion Key Takeaways • Collective memory often says more about who is telling the story than about the past itself • People naturally imagine themselves as heroes or resisters rather than beneficiaries or bystanders • Museums, monuments, and national myths are political acts, whether acknowledged or not • Fascism is better understood through concrete behaviors than abstract labels • Language shapes what people are willing to see, justify, or ignore • Values based framing opens more space for dialogue than policy arguments alone • Curiosity and empathy are necessary skills for sustaining democracy, even when lines must be drawn • Engagement across difference does not require moral surrender or tolerance of cruelty About the Guest Dr. Stephanie Wilson is a historian, activist, and communications expert. She is the creator and host of Freedom Over Fascism, where she examines democracy, messaging, media ecosystems, and civic engagement through conversations with journalists, scholars, and organizers. Her academic work focuses on historical memory, museums, and narrative power, with particular attention to Jerusalem and contested histories. Links and Resources • Freedom Over Fascism on Substack: www.freedomoverfascism.us • Freedom Over Fascism on YouTube: www.youtube.com/@FreedomOverFascismPod Connect on Social Media Corey is @coreysnathan on all the socials... Substack LinkedIn Facebook Instagram Twitter Threads Bluesky TikTok Thanks to Our Sponsors Pew Research Center: pewresearch.org The Village Square: villagesquare.us Meza Wealth Management: mezawealth.com Proud members of The Democracy Group Clarity, charity, and conviction can live in the same room.

What do trailers, legendary movie posters, streaming era strategy, and a deep love for theatrical storytelling have in common? This week on Trailer Geeks & Teaser Gods, Corey is joined by Debi Struzan and Dana Flowers-Mitchell for a deeply personal conversation about careers shaped by creativity, collaboration, and conviction. From Debi's early days at Seiniger Advertising and her connection to the iconic Drew Struzan legacy, to Dana's journey from agency producer to studio and streaming executive, the conversation traces how great entertainment marketing is built at the intersection of story, trust, and human connection. Together, Debi and Dana reflect on mentorship, studio versus agency life, the evolution of theatrical and streaming windows, and what still matters most when crafting campaigns that resonate. Along the way, the discussion touches on everything from horror trailers and prestige dramas to boxing workouts, late night calls, and why picking up the phone still matters. Key Takeaways From Agency to Studio and Back Again Both guests share how starting on the agency side shaped the way they later partnered with creative teams once they moved into studio and streaming roles, fostering deeper empathy and stronger collaboration. The Legacy of Drew Struzan Debi reflects on the influence of her father-in-law, legendary illustrator Drew Struzan, and the enduring impact of handcrafted movie poster art in a rapidly changing industry. Why Relationships Still Win Dana and Debi emphasize that despite new tools, platforms, and pressures, strong relationships and direct communication remain essential to solving creative problems and building trust. Theatrical Is Not Dead The conversation challenges the idea that movie theaters are fading, pointing instead to evolving audience behaviors and the continued power of shared cinematic experiences. Creativity in an Era of Change From AI anxiety to shrinking budgets, the discussion explores how agencies and creatives can adapt while protecting the core value of original ideas and emotional storytelling. Notable Quotes "People still want to be moved together in a room. Theatrical is not dying. It's evolving." "You can solve a lot of problems just by picking up the phone." "The big idea still matters. Tools can change, but concept is everything." Connect Debi Struzan - www.linkedin.com/in/debistruzan Dana Flowers-Mitchell: www.linkedin.com/in/dana-flowers Corey Nathan – @coreysnathan on all platforms Our Sponsors Meza Wealth Management – mezawealth.com The Golden Trailer Awards – goldentrailer.com Join the Community Like what you hear? Leave us a rating and review! Connect with Corey on all platforms @coreysnathan Subscribe for new episodes every week and keep up with the world's best trailer creatives!  

Today's episode is a little different. From time to time on Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other, it feels right to widen the lens and explore the cultural spaces where identity, community, leadership, and rivalry show up in everyday life. Sports is one of those spaces. In this crossover episode, Corey shares a conversation from his new weekly show, East Meets West Sports, co-hosted with longtime broadcast journalist Rick Garcia. The discussion blends NFL playoff analysis, college football insight, and cultural reflection, featuring veteran sportscaster and former Indiana Hoosier Fred Kalil. If you enjoy this episode, be sure to check out and subscribe to East Meets West Sports on YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts. From NFL playoff pressure and coaching dominoes to Indiana's unlikely championship run, Rick Garcia and Corey Nathan are joined by longtime sportscaster and former Hoosier Fred Kalil for sharp analysis, great stories, and old-school perspective. The fellas break down a wild opening round of the NFL playoffs, preview the divisional matchups, and sort through the ever-spinning coaching carousel before turning to college football's biggest stage. With Kalil's firsthand insight as a former Indiana football player, they explore locker-room culture, leadership, and what makes this Hoosiers run so improbable—and so compelling. They close by popping the culture, asking what it says about wealth, status, and excess when luxury car brands start building skyscrapers designed for people and their cars. Episode Highlights NFL Wild Card Weekend — What We Learned Bears stun the Packers with another late comeback 49ers survive the Eagles despite mounting injuries Rams edge Carolina in a tight matchup-driven battle Patriots expose Chargers' roster flaws Bills escape Jacksonville—and raise bigger questions Divisional Round Picks 49ers vs. Seahawks — turnover battle decides it Rams vs. Bears — weather, Stafford, and discipline Bills vs. Broncos — elite defense vs. playoff nerves Texans vs. Patriots — defense wins the day Coaching Carousel Chaos Why quarterbacks dictate coaching success—fair or not John Harbaugh as the league's top domino Why the Giants may be the most attractive opening Evaluating Kubiak, LaFleur, and other rising candidates College Football Championship Preview Indiana vs. Miami: toughness, depth, and discipline Why Indiana's rushing attack may decide it Extended playoffs and the toll on programs Special Guest: Fred Kalil Former Indiana walk-on on the Hoosiers' title run Old-school coaching vs. modern player culture Walk-ons, locker-room hierarchy, and earning reps SEC dominance, NIL money, and recruiting myths Bobby Knight stories, broadcast war stories, and sharp elbows Pop That Culture Luxury car brands building residential skyscrapers Parking your supercar in your living room—progress or excess? Big Picture Takeaways Playoff football still rewards defense and discipline Coaches rise and fall with their quarterbacks Culture matters—from locker rooms to ownership suites College football's success may be breaking its own structure Some traditions (and personalities) never go out of style Find Us On Apple Podcasts | Spotify | YouTube Follow Rick Garcia: @RickGarciaNews on X (Twitter) Follow Corey Nathan: @coreysnathan on Substack, Threads, Instagram, X & more Thanks to Our Sponsors: Pew Research Center: pewresearch.org The Village Square: villagesquare.us Meza Wealth Management: mezawealth.com Proud members of The Democracy Group Talking across differences doesn't require agreement. It requires courage, curiosity, and the willingness to stay human.

What does it mean to truly feel a trailer—and how do you translate that feeling into something that moves an audience? In this Best Of Trailer Geeks & Teaser Gods episode, Corey Nathan revisits his wide-ranging, deeply personal conversation with Robert Walker, one of the most influential and respected trailer editors working today. From his early experiments with cassette-tape collages and experimental music to shaping iconic campaigns at Intralink and Buddha Jones, Robert shares how a lifelong obsession with sound, rhythm, and emotion led him to a career defined not by formulas—but by feeling. This conversation spans decades of trailer history, touching on legendary campaigns for Batman Begins, Cinderella Man, A.I. Artificial Intelligence, The Social Network, The Book of Eli, Out of the Furnace, The Harder They Fall, and more. Along the way, Robert reflects on mentorship, artistic risk, industry shifts, and why unresolved emotion is the most powerful tool a trailer editor has. Whether you're a trailer editor, filmmaker, marketer, or creative of any kind, this episode is a masterclass in why craft matters—and why the best work starts with intuition, not templates. Key Takeaways Emotion Is the Job Robert explains that the ultimate goal of a trailer isn't explanation—it's feeling. A successful piece creates emotional tension that compels audiences to lean in and want more. Childhood Roots Shape Creative Voice From discovering Walkabout and Stockhausen records at the library to cutting cassette-tape collages, Robert traces how early experimentation laid the foundation for his editorial instincts. Short Form, Maximum Freedom Why trailers—rather than features—offered Robert the creative latitude he craved: non-linear storytelling, music-driven structure, and constant reinvention. Learning Through Repetition Cutting dozens of trailers at Roger Corman-adjacent companies gave Robert invaluable reps, sharpening both craft and judgment at speed. Mentorship & Creative Friction Stories from Intralink—including spirited debates with Anthony Goldschmidt—reveal how conflict, trust, and passion often lead to the strongest work. Teasers Aren't Ads—They're Invitations Robert reframes teasers as emotional groundwork, not sales pitches—particularly in franchise resets like Batman Begins. Adapting Without Betraying the Film From melancholy character studies (Out of the Furnace) to stylized genre pieces (The Harder They Fall), Robert discusses how to elevate a film while staying emotionally honest. Timing Can't Be Taught Comedy, horror, action—it all comes down to rhythm, anticipation, and release. And sometimes, knowing when to stop tweaking. Don't Cut the Same Way Twice Robert's advice to emerging editors: vary your approach. Start with music, dialogue, story, or even the ending—just don't get stuck in one process. Notable Quotes "The single most important thing we do is create a feeling—and leave it unresolved."  "If you're thinking too much about how the audience will feel, you stop being emotionally open yourself."  "You can't really teach timing. You know it when you feel it."  "Teasers aren't always about selling the movie. Sometimes they're about demolishing expectations." "If you always approach a piece the same way, you're going to miss something."  About Our Guest Robert Walker Trailer Editor — Buddha Jones Formerly Intralink Film Known for work on Batman Begins, Cinderella Man, A.I. Artificial Intelligence, The Book of Eli, The Social Network (TV), The Harder They Fall, and more. Robert is widely regarded as one of the most emotionally intuitive editors in the industry, blending experimental instincts with mainstream storytelling at the highest level. About the Host Corey Nathan Host & Executive Producer — Trailer Geeks & Teaser Gods @coreysnathan on all platforms About This Episode This episode is part of our Best Of Trailer Geeks & Teaser Gods series—encore conversations from across the show's history that remain timeless, insightful, and essential listening for anyone passionate about entertainment marketing and creative craft. Our Sponsors Meza Wealth Management mezawealth.com The Golden Trailer Awards goldentrailer.com Join the Community Like what you hear? Leave a rating and review wherever you listen Follow Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan Subscribe for new episodes and conversations with the people shaping entertainment marketing

What does it take to market movies that shape culture—and to lead with integrity when the stakes are highest? In this Best Of Trailer Geeks & Teaser Gods episode, Corey Nathan revisits his powerful conversation with Dwight Caines, President of Domestic Marketing at Universal Pictures and one of the most respected voices in modern film marketing. One of our "best of's" since we brought this program back, this episode remains as relevant—and resonant—as ever. Dwight reflects on a career spanning Sony Pictures and Universal, working on iconic franchises including Spider-Man, James Bond, Oppenheimer, and The Super Mario Bros. Movie. But this conversation goes far beyond campaigns and box office numbers. Dwight opens up about leadership, mentorship, diversity and inclusion, the responsibility of storytellers, and what it means to be a steady presence in moments of industry—and societal—turbulence. It's a masterclass in how great marketing starts with understanding people. Whether you're a trailer creative, studio exec, marketer, or emerging storyteller, this episode is a reminder that how you lead matters just as much as what you ship. Key Takeaways Story Starts With Audience Dwight explains why every campaign begins with a deep understanding of who the movie is for—and what emotional response it needs to evoke to get audiences off the couch and into theaters. From Data to Instinct With roots in market research, Dwight shares how the best campaigns balance data with gut, and why "research be damned" can sometimes be the bravest—and smartest—call. Digital Before It Was Cool As an early digital pioneer at Sony, Dwight recounts building online communities around films like Spider-Man long before digital marketing was standard practice. Leadership in Crisis Dwight reflects on moments when the industry—and the country—felt unsteady, and why authenticity, calm, and moral clarity are essential leadership traits. Mentorship & Representation From teaching at Syracuse and UCLA to shaping DEI initiatives at Universal and the Academy, Dwight makes the case that representation isn't performative—it's foundational to better work and better culture. Notable Quotes "If you see me running for the emergency exit, then trouble's coming. Otherwise, take it as a good sign." "Marketing is about evoking emotion. If you don't know what you want people to feel, the campaign won't land." "If you see it, you can be it. I didn't see myself in front of the classroom—so I decided to become that person." "Diversity isn't invitation. It's allowing people to show up authentically and be heard." Connect Dwight Caines President, Domestic Marketing – Universal Pictures Mentor, Educator, Industry Leader Corey Nathan Host – Trailer Geeks & Teaser Gods @coreysnathan on all platforms About This Episode This episode is part of our Best Of Trailer Geeks & Teaser Gods series—encore conversations from across the show's history that remain timeless, insightful, and essential listening for anyone passionate about entertainment marketing. Our Sponsors Meza Wealth Management – mezawealth.com 24/96 Sound & Music Design – 2496soundandmusic.com The Golden Trailer Awards – goldentrailer.com Soundstripe – app.soundstripe.com Join the Community Like what you hear? Leave us a rating and review! Connect with Corey on all platforms @coreysnathan Subscribe for new episodes every week and keep up with the world's best trailer creatives!

I sat down this week with Corey Nathan, host of the podcast “Talkin Politics & Religion Without Killin Each Other.” How to engage? Who to engage with and not engage with? Is any of this making a difference? Nice conversation here with Corey. Have a listen. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

What do VHS edits, a childhood trumpet, and a passion for story-driven design have in common? This week on Trailer Geeks and Teaser Gods, Corey Nathan sits down with Greg Krupka, Vice President and Creative Director at AV Squad, to unpack a path paved with relentless creativity, smart collaboration, and iconic trailer moments. From his early days at Emerson College to cutting theatrical campaigns that reverberate through pop culture, Greg shares a behind-the-scenes look at his philosophy, process, and passion for the craft. Whether guiding new creatives or breaking down a "popcorn moment" trailer cut, Greg brings sharp insight into what makes entertainment marketing truly memorable. Community Updates Support Skip's Heart Recovery Journey - gofund.me/9ef1ccfef Key Takeaways Early Roots in Storytelling From VHS-to-VHS edits at a public access station to film school at Emerson, Greg's storytelling instincts were honed through pure hustle and passion. The Art of the Tease Greg breaks down how theatrical trailers have evolved—from "What is the concept?" to "What's the vibe?"—and why feel is now as important as form. Creative Mentorship Shoutouts to key mentors who helped shape Greg's transition from editor to creative director. Intuition Over Ego Greg discusses the value of checking ego at the door, knowing when to pivot, and letting emotional resonance lead the creative. Notable Quotes "You get that little pit in your stomach when you see a trailer come together and realize—'We got something.' That's the juice." "The idea of 'popcorn moments'—those sticky, rewatchable bits—that's what we aim for. It's not just cuts and beats, it's memory fuel." "I don't ever want to be the smartest guy in the room. I want to be in the room that makes the smartest trailer." Connect AV Squad – @av_squad on Instagram Corey Nathan – @coreysnathan on all platforms Our Sponsors Meza Wealth Management – mezawealth.com 24/96 Sound & Music Design – 2496soundandmusic.com The Golden Trailer Awards – goldentrailer.com Soundstripe – app.soundstripe.com Join the Community Like what you hear? Leave us a rating and review! Connect with Corey on all platforms @coreysnathan Subscribe for new episodes every week and keep up with the world's best trailer creatives!  

Call it a holiday palate cleanser: today's TP&R feed features a special drop from East Meets West Sports. Be sure to find this new show on all the apps, follow, rate, review... You know the drill. Enjoy! Can Shedeur Sanders prove he's “the one” – or is Cleveland just buying time? Meanwhile, LA sports shake things up from the locker room to the front office. In this riveting holiday edition of East Meets West Sports, Rick Garcia and Corey Nathan dive deep into the buzz surrounding Shedeur Sanders, who made his first NFL start at QB with the Browns amid swirling controversy, legacy baggage, and sky-high expectations. Is he truly “who they've been waiting for”—or just the latest victim of hype? From there, they pivot to LA's sports scene, dissecting how the Dodgers' analytics dynasty is reshaping the Lakers' future following their acquisition. Can a World Series-winning front office build an NBA championship contender? They round things out with reflections on sports gratitude this Thanksgiving—from New York family traditions to LA playoff dreams. ⏱️ Timestamps & Topics Time Segment 00:00 – 01:30

From Strings to Screens: Aaron Gershman's Journey Across AV, Digital, and Design How does a former rock guitarist with zero design training become a creative force behind some of the most visually stunning and emotionally resonant film campaigns of our time? This week on Trailer Geeks and Teaser Gods, Corey Nathan sits down with Aaron Gershman, SVP of Creative Advertising at Lionsgate, whose journey from teenage rocker to "Pope of Posters" is anything but ordinary. From working on cult classics like Scott Pilgrim to crafting mind-blowing illustrated campaigns for John Wick 4, Aaron shares a deep-dive into the intersections of music, design, AV, and storytelling.

Repairing the damage—in our democracy, in our relationships, and in ourselves. ✨ Episode Summary Let's talk about redemption—what it really means to repair what's been broken, whether in our democracy or in our personal lives, and how we can tell the difference between a true apology and just going through the motions. Inspired by a powerful Substack piece by Mike Madrid, we'll reflect on the nuances between performative apologies and genuine repentance, weaving in theological insights, literary references like East of Eden, and real-life examples. We'll consider how we engage with those who have caused harm—and what it means to truly repair what's broken, especially as Thanksgiving and moments of family reconnection approach.

Not every relationship can—or should—be salvaged. In this solo episode, Corey shares a personal story and outlines five unmistakable red flags that tell you it's time to step back to protect your peace. Sometimes, staying in the conversation means knowing when to step away. In this raw and introspective solo episode, host Corey Nathan opens up about a deeply personal encounter that pushed him to confront a painful question: When is it time to “unfriend” someone—really unfriend them? With vulnerability and clarity, Corey unpacks a recent experience with someone who crossed multiple emotional and ideological lines. What begins as a story about a text thread gone wrong unfolds into a thoughtful reflection on the emotional cost of dialogue, the importance of mutual respect, and the red lines we all must define for ourselves if we're to stay sane and whole in polarized times. If you've ever wrestled with staying true to your values while trying to build bridges, this episode will resonate deeply.

Surviving Triangulation in a Polarized World It's time to reckon with one of the toughest questions in our current public discourse: “How can you think that?” Through stories from his personal and professional life, host Corey Nathan unpacks the emotionally draining phenomenon of triangulation—when we're caught in the middle of opposing viewpoints—and explores how we can respond with curiosity and conviction without losing our sanity. From navigating impossible conversations to confronting conspiracy theories (like the FBI staging Jan. 6?!), Corey challenges listeners to stay in tough conversations while guarding their own well-being. Drawing inspiration from a powerful essay by Christopher Armitage on The Existentialist Republic, this episode dives into the psychology of belief, the cost of defection from "reality bubbles," and the quiet strength of one-degree influence. Whether you're a peacemaker, bridge-builder, or just trying to keep your sanity in polarized times, this one's for you.

A candid reflection on staying grounded while engaging in contentious conversations—and when to take a step back. ✨ Episode Summary In this heartfelt solo talk, host Corey Nathan goes back to the fundamentals of Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other. Reflecting on recent emotionally charged interactions—some painfully personal—Corey revisits five foundational principles that guide his conversations and this podcast's mission. He opens up about the emotional toll of receiving attacks from opposing sides of the political and religious spectrum and how even with years of practice, the work of engaging respectfully remains challenging and ongoing. Here are the five essentials Corey leans into when the temperature rises:

From Madison Ave to Hollywood: The Birth of a Trailer Empire

Dobson and MacArthur shaped a movement. Now it's time to ask: at what cost? ✨ Episode Summary In this powerful roundtable conversation, host Corey Nathan is joined by author and public theologian Lisa Sharon Harper and pastor Joe Smith to explore the complex legacies of James Dobson and John MacArthur—two towering figures in American Evangelicalism who recently passed away. What starts as a reflective discussion on personal experiences with Dobson's and MacArthur's teachings evolves into a profound analysis of spiritual formation, systemic violence, and the urgent need for a new way forward in faith communities. Together, the guests courageously confront the intersections of race, gender, theology, and power—and what it means to heal, both personally and as a collective. ⏱️ Timestamps Time Topic 00:00 Introduction to the episode & guests 01:00 Lisa Sharon Harper on her spiritual beginnings 03:00 Legacy and impact of James Dobson 08:00 Dobson's theology of discipline and its cultural roots 14:00 The trauma of “biblical” corporal punishment 20:00 Confessions of former Dobson followers — personal growth and regret 25:00 John MacArthur's institutional power and theological rigidity 30:00 Colonialism and the colonization of scripture 36:00 Reading scripture through empire vs. liberation 44:00 Who benefits from dominant theological frameworks? 48:00 Embracing humility and paradigm shifts in theology 54:00 Stories of change: how family and love reshape theology 1:02:00 Creating soft landing spaces for theological transformation 1:08:00 Substack, Freedom Road, and Lisa's ongoing work 1:10:00 Final reflections on urgent action, humility, and grace

What happens when law firms, universities, and elections come under fire—and how we can all help hold the line for democracy.

Not Right. Not Left. Not Crazy. Just Real Talk About Politics and People. 43% of Us Aren't Partisan Left or Right. This Episode Is for You. Reflecting on what it means to be politically independent in a time of increasing polarization. Drawing on personal stories and hot-button issues like Israel/Palestine, redistricting, and public safety, host Corey Nathan makes a compelling case for the 43% of Americans who don't fully align with the far right or progressive left—and offers guidance on how we can still talk to each other with grace and clarity. What Is Discussed: The 3 main categories of political identity in America Why a plurality of us fall into a misunderstood, complex “middle” How to approach political conversations without labeling What really motivates voters—and why economic messaging matters Practical ways to connect across divides without compromising your values Episode Highlights: [00:02:00] Defining the “three buckets”: partisan right, left, and the independent middle [00:06:30] Mislabeling in political debates – a story about Israel and being misunderstood [00:12:00] How to hold multiple truths in the Israel/Palestine conflict [00:15:00] On crime, Trump, and false binaries [00:19:30] Redistricting in Texas—and why legal doesn't mean ethical [00:23:00] Why cost of living, not slogans, will decide 2026 & 2028 elections [00:27:00] Do's & don'ts for meaningful political conversations [00:33:00] Learning from mistakes and leading with respect Featured Quotes:

How Did We Get Here? From Outrage to Applauding Atrocity In this edition, host Corey Nathan offers a timely and deeply personal reflection on a disturbing trend in society: the growing tendency to dehumanize one another. We unpack two tragic incidents that sparked widespread and even celebratory reactions online—mass murders of corporate executives—and explore what these reactions say about our collective soul. Using real-life examples, scriptural references, and philosophical insights, the challenge is to consider how we might reclaim our shared humanity. What Is Discussed: How online culture enables dehumanization and moral numbness The emotional and spiritual toll of celebrating harm toward others Practical ways to recognize and preserve each other's humanity The concept of Imago Dei and how it applies in daily life, even beyond religious contexts How to model grace and kindness, even in the face of hostility Episode Highlights: [00:02:00] — Corey introduces the idea of a “vicious cycle” of dehumanization and how it suffocates our soul and hardens our hearts [00:04:00] — The story of Wesley LePatner, CEO of Blackstone Real Estate Income Trust and the horrifying online reactions to her murder [00:08:00] — The “Free Luigi” movement and how the celebration of violence has become normalized [00:13:00] — A personal experience with a vile online comment and the power of grace in response [00:18:00] — Explanation of “online disinhibition” and echo chambers as systemic drivers of dehumanization [00:24:00] — Introduction of Imago Dei and secular philosophies that affirm basic human dignity [00:29:00] — How Corey chose to respond thoughtfully rather than react angrily to an offensive comment [00:34:00] — A call to action: practical steps to disrupt the cycle of dehumanization in our personal lives and broader discourse Resources Mentioned: Maya Sulkin's piece in The Free Press PIX11 News coverage of NYC mass shooting of 7/28/25 Charlie Warzel's article in The Atlantic on Luigi Mangione

What if ICE visits our church? How are we doing after the LA Fires? And how can the Church can help rebuild and heal? In this heartfelt episode of Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other, host Corey Nathan welcomes back the Reverend Dr. Matt Colwell, Senior Pastor of Knox Presbyterian Church in Pasadena, CA. A theologian, author, and community leader, Matt opens up about losing his home in the devastating Eaton Fire, his deeply personal approach to immigrant justice, and the evolving role of the Church in times of social and political crisis. A long-time friend and spiritual guide to Corey, Matt shares how Scripture and lived experience converge to shape his ministry and public witness. What We Discuss: How the Eaton Fire profoundly impacted Pastor Matt and his congregation What it looks like for a church to take a public stand on immigration and ICE enforcement The intersection of Scripture, politics, and social ethics in Matt's faith journey Why churches are legally preparing for ICE visits—and how they're doing it The essential role of community, memory, and physical space in recovering from trauma Strategies for engaging in tough conversations across ideological lines Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] Matt opens up about life after losing his home in the Eaton Fire [00:03:00] How experiences in Guatemala and seminary shaped Matt's understanding of faith and justice [00:07:00] Corey and Matt explore deriving political views from scripture and the ethical challenge of self-trust [00:14:00] Book recommendations: Lincoln's Greatest Speech, The Dearly Beloved, and more [00:18:00] The emotional aftermath of losing a home and the power of community response [00:31:00] What the grieving process looks like when you lose not just a house, but identity-defining memories [00:42:00] ICE visits to churches in Downey prompt new sanctuary policies at Knox Presbyterian [00:47:00] How the church legally designated private spaces to protect undocumented individuals [01:03:00] Corey's candid reflection on preparing emotionally for hard political and religious conversations Featured Quotes: "When a pillar is pulled out from under you, it's powerful to feel like God is present—and the church community is present." – Rev. Dr. Matt Colwell "I don't trust myself either. That's why I need to hear different voices and read Scripture in community." – Rev. Dr. Matt Colwell "I prepare for difficult conversations by rehearsing a mindset—not what I'll say, but how I'll listen." – Corey Nathan "It's not just stuff—it's tied to relationships. Losing those memories feels like losing part of your identity." – Rev. Dr. Matt Colwell Resources Mentioned: Our God is Undocumented by Ched Myers and Matthew Colwell: orbisbooks.com/products/our-god-is-undocumented Knox Presbyterian Church, Pasadena: knoxpasadena.org Pastor Matt goes viral: www.instagram.com/p/DLP84OWM-4c/ Clergy and Laity United for Economic Justice: www.cluejustice.org

Ever get stuck in those mental loops after heated conversations around politics and religion? Let's talk about it! In this episode, host Corey Nathan opens up about the all-too-common habit of rumination—going over those difficult conversations or moments of conflict again and again. Drawing from a powerful personal story, Corey explores what rumination is, how it differs from healthy reflection, and what we can do about it. What Is Discussed: The difference between obsessive rumination and productive reflection Practical strategies for self-awareness and emotional regulation How mindfulness and meditation can help manage intrusive thoughts Why labeling others (or being labeled) damages relationships How to shift from argument to connection using curiosity and empathy Episode Highlights: 00:00:50 – Introducing the topic of rumination and why it matters 00:02:00 – A personal story about a triggering interaction 00:06:00 – “My brain broke”—Corey reflects on emotional fallout 00:10:00 – Inward vs. outward strategies for interrupting rumination 00:13:00 – Self-awareness, triggers, and managing the moment 00:15:00 – Meditation and the practice of “noting” 00:18:00 – Relationship management: choose connection over being right 00:27:00 – Labeling vs. seeing someone in their full humanity Featured Quotes: “My brain broke. That's how I describe it—because in that moment, something really triggered me.” “The thought is not my identity. It's just a thought—and I can allow it to pass.” “If someone insists on labeling me, that's not a relationship I want. Or at least, I'll love them from far away.” Resources Mentioned: BUDDHA'S BRAIN by Rick Hanson - rickhanson.com/writings/books/buddhas-brain Tara Brach's resources – www.tarabrach.com

In today's economic and political climate, how can we all keep our heads while everyone else is losing theirs? Talkin' tariffs, budget deficits, the Fed, interest rates, and all kinds of fun stuff! In this episode of Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other, host Corey Nathan welcomes long-time friend and investment advisor Jorge Meza, CEO of Meza Wealth Management. Jorge shares his inspiring journey—from navigating a family medical crisis to building a boutique investment firm grounded in accessibility and service. The two also dive into today's economic and political climate, and how we can all keep our heads while everyone else is losing theirs. What We Discuss: How Jorge's personal experiences shaped his professional philosophy Why investing is about more than money—it's about people Practical insights into tariffs, inflation, and the future of AI How to have tough political conversations with respect and grace Episode Highlights: [00:01:10] – Jorge shares his daughter Jessica's remarkable transplant story [00:04:45] – From construction to finance: Jorge's path to founding Meza Wealth Management [00:07:15] – The immigrant journey that shaped Jorge's worldview [00:13:00] – How Jorge coaches clients through political and market volatility [00:15:30] – Tariffs, inflation, and AI: What it all means for your money [00:38:15] – Why an independent Federal Reserve matters [00:41:45] – Jorge's take on how we can disagree without division Featured Quotes: “We're in the business of changing people's lives. Someone helped me early on, and I've never forgotten that.” – Jorge Meza “Very few people can outwork me. If you work hard, things can happen.” – Jorge Meza “People are starving for respectful dialogue. We just don't hear enough from the folks in the middle.” – Jorge Meza “You see something to be afraid of—I see opportunity.” – Corey Nathan Resources Mentioned: Meza Wealth Management: https://www.mezawealth.com Watch full episodes on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PoliticsAndReligion

In this episode, host Corey Nathan explores how we can navigate difficult conversations around politics and religion with more grace and effectiveness. Drawing on personal experiences, spiritual grounding, and practical techniques, Corey shares what to look out for when a conversation is going sideways and how to communicate better even in the most challenging moments. What Is Discussed: How to recognize when a conversation is escalating Common communication traps and how to avoid them How to prepare your heart and mind to actively listen What it means to “rehearse” understanding instead of comebacks Why identifying shared values can change the entire conversation Episode Highlights: [00:00:50] Signs of emotional escalation and how to spot them [00:05:00] A simple tool to slow down: breathing [00:07:00] The mistake of rehearsing a verbal takedown [00:09:30] A better way: Practice being a great listener [00:13:00] Why “shoulding” on people makes things worse [00:15:00] The dangers of mischaracterizing entire groups [00:21:00] Are you really listening—or just waiting to talk? [00:24:30] Avoiding ad hominem attacks and gaslighting Featured Quotes: “When the emotion is so heightened that I can no longer think… that's something to recognize before it gets out of hand.” “Don't rehearse the perfect burn. Rehearse listening.” “You can reverse the neurochemical reaction of anger and fear—and induce the feeling of being heard and loved.” “If your goal is to cause pain in a conversation, this program isn't for you.”

In this solo episode, host Corey Nathan shares a personal story that explores a fundamental question many of us face in political and relational discourse: “Do you want to be right, or do you want the relationship?” Prompted by a real-life interaction following his attendance at a local rally, Corey examines how we navigate our convictions, the costs of being “right,” and the cognitive, identity-based, and psychological roots that underlie our desire to win arguments—especially at the expense of connection.  What Is Discussed: The real story behind a tense political exchange among friends. The importance of prioritizing relationships over ideological victory. Key psychological and sociological reasons why people insist on being right. How identity, ego, and group affiliation shape our perceptions in political dialogue. Thoughtful strategies to promote civil discourse, even across ideological lines. Episode Highlights: [00:03:00] Corey describes the No Kings Rally in Santa Clarita and his motivation for attending. [00:05:00] A group text spirals into conflict after a friend posts a divisive meme about Democrats. [00:07:00] Corey challenges the assumptions being made and asserts his conservative identity. [00:10:00] The text conversation intensifies—Corey confronts the damaging generalizations. [00:13:00] He reflects on the absence of actual conversation and the importance of listening. [00:20:00] Corey shares research on cognitive biases like confirmation bias and bandwagon effect. [00:24:00] A powerful explanation of identity protective cognition and how it affects discourse. [00:29:00] The psychological roots of being “right”: ego, fear, insecurity, and narcissism. [00:31:00] A parable of two billy goats illustrates the cost of refusing to give ground. Featured Quotes: “Do you want to be right, or do you want the relationship?” “The endeavor that I care about is people exercising their First Amendment rights.” “If we were actually talking, you'd know this isn't even in my top 50 concerns.” “We don't need to diminish others to hold our convictions.”

In this episode, host Corey Nathan welcomes back political consultant, author, and Substack contributor Mike Madrid. A renowned expert on Latino voters and co-founder of the Lincoln Project, Mike brings his profound insights on American politics, identity, and democracy. Together, Corey and Mike explore deeply personal stories, historical context, and present-day political dynamics, all while weaving in the emotional fabric that connects generations and communities. What We Discuss: The significance of personal and familial stories in shaping political perspective How Latino voters are reshaping American democracy The danger of authoritarian tendencies in U.S. governance Economic populism across ideological divides The importance of understanding and communicating with working-class communities Episode Highlights: [00:04:00] Mike Madrid shares a personal story of grief and connection through a pilgrimage to Madrid, New Mexico [00:08:00] Baseball as a bridge between generations and its deeper cultural significance [00:14:00] Inhumane immigration enforcement and its implications on American identity [00:22:00] A discussion on whether America is at a turning point for its soul and values [00:33:00] Vertical balance of power: Newsom vs. federal overreach in L.A. protests [00:45:00] Latino voters' top concerns: economy, housing, and healthcare [00:53:00] Economic populism through Ruben Gallego and Zoran Mamdani's campaigns [01:03:00] How to talk about politics and religion without killin' each other Featured Quotes: "Sometimes the stories we tell ourselves matter more than the facts we can verify." – Mike Madrid "This is our American story now. This is who we are... and if we're not speaking out, then we are individually complicit in it." – Mike Madrid "These are the moments when character is defined." – Mike Madrid "The best way to talk about politics and religion is to not talk about it through the lens of politics and religion." – Mike Madrid Resources Mentioned: Mike Madrid's Substack: The Great Transformation – greattransformation.substack.com The Latino Century (book by Mike Madrid) – www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Latino-Century/Mike-Madrid/9781668015278 Latino Vote Podcast – latinos.vote Reflections on Marines in LA by Roger Herbert – rogerherbert.substack.com/p/reflections-on-marines-in-la

This was such a refreshing conversation with Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde. We recorded it just after she delivered the homily at the National Cathedral the day after the inauguration. Bishop Budde's candor, winsomeness and wisdom shines through in all circumstances - whether it's before a worldwide audience or upon earnest reflection of the impact of her ministry. And there's something healing in all of this. So it's certainly worth revisiting our discussion going into this national holiday weekend. Enjoy...   In this timely edition of Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other, host Corey Nathan welcomes Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde, the Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington, D.C., and the Washington National Cathedral. Bishop Budde is a well-respected spiritual leader who has appeared on PBS NewsHour, Meet the Press, Good Morning America, and The Today Show. The conversation dives into Bishop Budde's faith journey, her reflections on political and social issues, and her approach to leading with grace and courage in divisive times. The discussion also touches on the controversy surrounding her sermon and how she directly addressed Donald Trump at the National Cathedral following the 2025 presidential inauguration. What We Discuss Bishop Budde's personal faith journey, from her early religious experiences to her leadership in the Episcopal Church. The challenges of navigating faith, politics, and national unity in today's polarized climate. How to extend grace and practice mercy even in the face of criticism. The role of the church in advocating for social justice, particularly regarding immigration and LGBTQ+ rights. Strategies for engaging in difficult conversations while maintaining mutual respect. Episode Highlights [00:00:00] – Introduction to the episode and guest, Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde. [00:02:00] – Bishop Budde shares her faith journey and the struggles she faced reconciling different religious influences. [00:10:00] – The tension between faith and exclusivity: why some versions of Christianity felt limiting to her. [00:15:00] – The discipline of grace: choosing to respond with compassion rather than anger, even when faced with opposition. [00:26:00] – Bishop Budde's response to the 2025 presidential inauguration sermon controversy and the importance of speaking truth with love. [00:38:00] – Handling criticism and maintaining a sense of personal and spiritual balance. [00:52:00] – Finding hope in uncertain times: How we can cultivate a spirit of resilience and faith amid societal challenges. [00:55:00] – The importance of dialogue: How to foster better conversations across political and religious differences. [01:03:00] – Final thoughts and how to follow Bishop Budde's work. Featured Quotes "If it's not about love, it's not about God." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde "The discipline of grace is a practice, not a gift. It's about choosing to respond with love even when it's difficult." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde "To be raised from the dead—whatever that means in our own lives—requires our consent to live again, to have our hearts broken again, and to take on all of life again." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde "We need to ask ourselves: When was the last time I changed my mind? True dialogue requires being open to seeing the world differently." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde Resources Mentioned Bishop Budde's Book: How We Learn to Be Brave Episcopal Diocese of Washington – www.edow.org

In this timely episode of "Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other," host Corey Nathan speaks with Professor Daniel Mach, Director of the ACLU Program on Freedom of Religion and Belief and adjunct professor of law at the George Washington University Law School. They explore the complexities of First Amendment rights, the historical Scopes Trial, and the fine line between religious freedom and government endorsement of religion. What We Discuss: How Daniel Mach's passion for First Amendment law began. The ACLU's approach to defending speech across ideological lines. Key legal principles behind landmark cases like Kennedy v. Bremerton. The modern-day impact of church-state separation rulings. The importance of defending civil liberties regardless of popularity. Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] Dan's origin story, sparked by a high school paper on the Scopes Trial. [00:05:00] ACLU's surprising position in the Boston Christian flag case. [00:09:00] The real facts behind Kennedy v. Bremerton School District. [00:23:00] Historical insight into the Scopes Trial and why it still matters. [00:38:00] Breakdown of the opt-out debate in Mahmoud v. Montgomery County. [00:48:00] Can a Catholic public school exist? Oklahoma says maybe. [00:56:00] Concerns about threats to the rule of law. [01:00:00] How to speak across ideological divides and why it matters. Featured Quotes: "Rights for all — the right to speak even hateful things — triggered something in my mind where I thought, yeah, that's the way to go." – Daniel Mach "If the rules only protect people you like, then those rules are not rules at all." – Daniel Mach "Part of religious liberty is keeping religion and government separate — not just to protect government, but to protect religion." – Daniel Mach Resources Mentioned: ACLU: https://www.aclu.org Kennedy v. Bremerton: https://www.oyez.org/cases/2021/21-418 Scopes Trial History: https://www.history.com/topics/roaring-twenties/scopes-trial Mahmoud v. Montgomery County: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24-297_4f14.pdf Oklahoma Catholic Charter School Ruling: https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/05/split-supreme-court-blocks-first-religious-charter-school-in-oklahoma/