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Send us Fan MailIn this mini-series episode, I revisit number three in the top ten most listened-to episodes: my conversation with Deb Dana, clinician, consultant, author, and the world's leading translator of Polyvagal Theory — on loss, the nervous system, and what it means to trust your body through grief.Deb brings both her professional expertise and something deeply personal to this conversation: the recent death of her husband Bob, and her own experience of navigating grief through the Polyvagal lens she has spent years teaching. We explore what the autonomic nervous system actually does in grief, why grief is a physiological experience and not only a psychological one, and how glimmers — micro-moments of safety and connection — can serve as anchors even in the heaviest loss.This is one of the most honest and grounded conversations in the podcast's history.Listen to the original episode: Episode 85 — Deb Dana | Loss Through the Lens of Polyvagal TheoryIf this podcast is helping you, please consider leaving a 5-star review — it helps more people find this content when they need it most.Chapters:00:00 Welcome00:49 Today's episode01:27 Welcome to the Mini Series02:50 Top 10 - Number 303:24 About Deb Dana04:58 Polyvagal Theory and grief 06:16 Glimmers and grief06:57 What resonated with me07:55 Why it resonated with listenersSupport the show

If you've ever noticed a sudden lift in your mood when sunlight hits a window just right, or felt something soften in your chest when a stranger smiles at you, that's a glimmer. And learning to notice these small moments is one of the simplest ways we can support our nervous systems and brighten our day. Glimmers are the opposite of triggers. They're small, everyday moments of beauty or felt goodness (like sunlight coming through a window, the softness of a sweater, the color of something lovely on your wall) that gently cue our nervous systems toward safety and ease. In this episode of Somatic Healing Meditations, I guide you through a short glimmers and gratitude meditation to help you orient toward the quiet beauty and comfort already surrounding you. When we practice noticing glimmers, not only do we shift our nervous system state, but we also naturally cultivate a sense of authentic gratitude. We start to realize that our lives, in their quiet ordinariness, are already full of things worth appreciating. Perfect for nervous system regulation, gratitude, brightening your mood, stress relief, and cultivating more presence and appreciation in everyday life. Bonus: I also made you a free Glimmers Bingo Card to help you start noticing the small moments of goodness in your everyday life. You can find it here! Episode timing: 00:00 - What Are Glimmers? 02:55 - Glimmers & Gratitude: A Meditation to Brighten Your Day 17:32 - Conclusion and Reflections Related: More Somatic Nervous System Regulation Meditations Read more about glimmers and get your Glimmers Bingo Card here Join me in Costa Rica in 2027 for a deeply restorative Somatic Self-Love Retreat - a gentle, immersive week designed to help you slow down, reconnect with your body, and come home to yourself in the most loving and profound way. Through somatic meditations on the beach, deeply healing workshops, and gentle nervous system practices, you'll begin to create a more loving and compassionate relationship with yourself. And woven throughout the week is the wild beauty of Costa Rica itself. Snorkeling in turquoise waters, visiting sea turtle nesting grounds, setting out on an ocean safari in search of dolphins and migrating whales. You'll remember what it feels like to be deeply held by nature. Early bird pricing is available now, and I would love for you to join me. Learn more at helloinnerlight.com/retreats Connect with Karena: @helloinnerlight on Instagram, and YouTube Find ALL of the amazing Somatic Healing Meditations here Submit a question for the podcast: Your Healing, Your Questions Free mini-course: The Feel it to Heal it Mini-Course Join me on a retreat! https://helloinnerlight.com/retreats Get AD-FREE access to this podcast, plus live classes, workshops, and group coaching in Somatic Healing Hub Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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This week on the podcast, we're diving into a concept you've probably seen everywhere lately: glimmers. Recently identified by trend forecasters as one of the defining wellbeing trends for 2026, glimmers - the opposite of triggers - are tiny moments that spark feelings of safety, joy, calm, or connection. At a time when wellness can often feel overwhelming, expensive, or performative, glimmers offer something beautifully simple: the ability to find nourishment in what's already around us. To explore this idea, we're joined by two women who have quite literally written the book on it — sisters Nadia Narain and Katia Narain Phillips, authors of Glimmers: Tiny Moments to Transform Your Life.Nadia and Katia have spent decades exploring healing, self-care, nervous system regulation, and emotional wellbeing.Together they are also the bestselling authors of Self-Care for the Real World and Rituals for Every Day.In this conversation, we discuss:What glimmers actually are and why they matterHow noticing small positive moments can support nervous system regulationThe science behind glimmers and brain rewiringWhy this practice resonates so deeply right nowThe connection between glimmers, trauma healing, and mental healthSimple ways to begin noticing glimmers in everyday lifePersonal glimmers Nadia and Katia have experienced recentlyAnd the self-care practices they turn to themselvesThis is a warm, grounding and hopeful conversation about finding beauty, safety and connection in the smallest moments and why those moments may be more powerful than we realise.Come see us hosting in the Menopause tent at the Everywoman Festival on June 13th https://www.everywomanfest.com/tickets-londonBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/self-care-club--6942824/support.Get in touch & come follow us on:Instagram Tiktok thttps://www.tiktok.com/@40ish.podcastJoin our private Facebook groupOrder our book hereBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/40ish-navigating-midlife-and-perimenopause--6942825/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rssStudio production by @launchpodstudiosMusic by purpleplanet.

Glimmers of hope for Wellington despite another drop in cruise visits. Preliminary data released to Newstalk ZB shows a 3% drop in port visits compared to last season. The North Island fell 41, and the South Island gained 23. The capital was the worst hit, losing 24% of port calls. WellingtonNZ General Manager Destination and Marketing Todd Barberel told Ryan Bridge visitor numbers and spend is increasing, though they're not at pre-Covid levels yet. He says there's positive momentum and the challenges from cruise lines need to be balanced with their long-term objectives. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Finding Peace in the Spaces Between: The Power of GlimmersHave you ever noticed how quickly an anxious mind skips past the good things? When we are stressed, our nervous system scans for danger, constantly looking for what might go wrong. But you have a choice. You can retune that scanner.In today's episode, we explore the concept of "glimmers"—micro-moments of safety, comfort, and connection that signal to your body that right now, you are okay. Using the 4-4-4-4 breathwork method and deep visualization , we practice stepping out of survival mode and into a space of genuine stillness.An Incredible Update & How to Claim Your Premium Gift!The response to our GoFundMe campaign to bring Anchored—our dedicated mindfulness and anxiety app—to market has completely blown my mind. People from all over the world have chosen to believe in this vision, and I thank you from the bottom of my heart.If you have already donated: To thank you, you get free lifetime access to Anchored Premium when it launches! Simply email your GoFundMe receipt to hello@calminganxiety.org so we can look after you.Want to help us build it? If you are in a position to contribute—even a small amount—you are helping us bring these tools to everyone who needs them.Support the GoFundMe Campaign: Donate HereJoin the Early Access List: Learn more and sign up at calminganxiety.org/anchored.Episode Chapters00:00 – GoFundMe Update & Special Gift for Donors 00:52 – Welcome & Introduction to Glimmers 02:04 – 4-4-4-4 Box Breathing Practice 03:22 – Guided Visualization: Scanning for Moments of Grace 05:57 – Mindful Affirmations for Inner Peace 07:36 – 3 Daily Caring Tips to Carry with You 09:31 – Returning to the Room & Closing Thoughts Today's AffirmationsLet these words settle into the quiet space beneath your thoughts:"My life contains small moments of beauty that are real and that are mine." "I am becoming someone who notices what is good." "Peace is not somewhere I have to get to. It is already here in the spaces between." 3 Daily Caring TipsThe Glimmer Hunt: This afternoon, deliberately scan your environment for one thing that is physically pleasant—a texture, a temperature, or a sound. It's not about forced positivity; it's about being present.The Touch Reset: When anxiety rises, press both feet flat into the floor to feel the ground beneath you, then place one hand on your chest to feel your own warmth. This breaks the spiral of thought and brings you back into your body.Pass a Glimmer On: Notice something beautiful today and tell someone about it in just a simple sentence. Sharing a glimmer multiplies it, shifting two nervous systems at once.Share the CalmIf this session brought a little bit of stillness to your day, please take a moment to smile, love who you are, and share this episode with someone who might need a deep breath today.And as always... be kind.

Bring "Anchored" to Life!The response to the GoFundMe campaign to bring the Anchored app to the App Store and Play Store this year has been absolutely overwhelming. Your generosity and belief in this project are moving beyond words.Premium Lifetime Access: If you have donated and want free lifetime access to the Premium version of Anchored, please email your receipt to hello@calminganxiety.org so your access can be secured.Support the Campaign: If you haven't had a chance to contribute yet, the GoFundMe is still open. Every single contribution helps bring the science of stillness directly to your phone.https://www.gofundme.com/f/lets-celebrate-martin-and-get-him-a-macbook?attribution_id=sl:39d2348d-1215-4bca-84ff-e83678cb4244&lang=en_GB&ts=1778328530Join the Early Access List: To get on the early access list and stay updated on the app's progress, head over to calminganxiety.org/anchored.⏱️ Time Chapters00:00 – Welcome & Heartfelt GoFundMe Thank You 00:46 – Introduction to Glimmers & Settling the Nervous System 01:33 – Square Breathing Practice ($4-4-4-4$ Technique) 02:50 – Guided Visualisation: The Glimmer Glasses 04:50 – Subconscious Affirmations 06:42 – Deepening Relaxation & Releasing Outside Noise 07:59 – 3 Daily Caring Tips for a Happier Life 09:34 – Grounding, Outro, and Early Access Call to Action

Mentale Gesundheit, Stressbewältigung, Trigger & Nervensystem regulieren durch Glimmers ✨In dieser Folge spreche ich darüber wie dein Nervensystem deine Wahrnehmung komplett beeinflusst.Ich nehme dich mit in das Thema Glimmers – kleine Momente im Alltag, die dein Nervensystem beruhigen, Stress reduzieren und dir helfen können, mehr innere Ruhe, Selbstliebe und emotionales Wohlbefinden zu entwickeln. Und vor allem: Einen positiveren Blick auf dein Leben!Wir schauen gemeinsam darauf, warum dein Gehirn durch den Negativitätsbias automatisch eher Gefahr, Überforderung und Stress wahrnimmt und wie sich das auf deinen Selbstwert, deine Gedanken und dein Körpergefühl auswirken kann.Außerdem zeige ich dir, wie du durch Achtsamkeit, Nervensystem-Regulation und bewusste Wahrnehmung wieder mehr Ruhe, Leichtigkeit und Balance in dein Leben bringst.Ich teile persönliche Glimmer-Momente mit dir und gebe dir konkrete Impulse, wie du sie im Alltag erkennen und stärken kannst

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Do you get as giddy about synchronicities as we do?  God Winks. Glimmers. Magical Moments. Whatever you choose to call them, we are all in for more. When you are able to have more flow in your life and the little synchronicities layer through your day, it can make for some truly magical experiences. As an experiment we asked our Guides and Angels to bring us more of them and help us be more aware of the ones they are sending.  They did not disappoint. This week we talk about some of the recent Glimmers we've received and why they make our lives feel just a little more wondrous. It is now possible to book 1:1 mediumship, energy healing, QHHT, or numerology sessions with your favorite Ohm-g Podcast Host.Check out everyone's offers here: https://ohm-gpodcast.com/products Check out our memberships!!  https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ohmgpodcastllc/membership  Check us out on Facebook @ohmgpodcast and Instagram @ohmg_podcast.  Send us an email at support@ohm-gpodcast.com to get on our mailing list for monthly virtual and live events. We look forward to connecting with you. If you enjoy our content and want to support us please go to your favorite podcast platform and leave us a 5-star review. We will catch you on the next episode! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The first episode of the rebranded podcast Hot as Hell with Chrissie will be with Lucy Buglass.I've known Lucy for about a year and worked with her to support her building her business. Lucy is an online coach and helps busy mums to small children feel fitter, stronger and more energised.She is mum to a little boy called Blair and lives in the beautiful Perthshire countryside in Scotland.And last year she was diagnosed with Breast Cancer.In this raw and unfiltered chat we talk about how that diagnosis shaped her life as a Mum, a business owner and a woman.Some of this is hard to hear but it needs to be heard.

Josh Gabelich and Cal Twomey discuss Monday’s biggest footy stories on the AFL Daily podcast. On today’s episode: Cal praises the list management at Fremantle that has landed them firmly in the Premiership window, how the Swans managed to secure Malcolm Rosas, and the glimmers of hope at Tigerland. Plus, regular segments Monday Marketplace and Gimme Something. Subscribe to AFL Daily and never miss an episode. Rate and review wherever you listen to podcasts.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Send us Fan MailWatch the video!https://youtu.be/CKh5057vuRUIn the News blog post for May 1, 2026https://www.iphonejd.com/iphone_jd/2026/05/in-the-news826.html 00:00 Tossing Apples Around 15:04 In the Vision! Lack of Vision?31:54 Watching For Tips39:09 Tag Teaming44:48 Fix Autocoreet Pleaese48:33 Telescoping iPhone50:24 Rode Warrior54:06 We Believe!56:18 Brett's iTip: Add a Volume Slider to Your Lock Screen59:04 Jeff's iTip: Press Record on Eufy Camera AppDavid Sparks | MacSparky: A Product Guy at the TopJason Snell | Six Colors: Apple's biggest win last week might be promoting Johny SroujiJuli Clover | MacRumors: Apple Has Given Up on the Vision Pro After M5 Refresh FlopJohn Gruber | Daring Fireball: On the Future of Apple's Vision PlatformMarko Zivkovic | Apple Insider: Apple Vision Pro used for hundreds of cataract surgeries in the last yearDavid Pogue: What Do You Do with the Apple Watch?John Voorhees | MacStories: Pedometer++ 8: Glimmers of an Apple Wrist RenaissanceRajat Saini | The Mac Observer: Apple AirTag Turns 5 Today, Here's Why People Still Trust It With Their ValuablesGlenn Fleishman | Six Colors: Exploring the wide range of Find My-compatible devicesJoanna Stern | New Things: Fix iPhone Autocoreet Pleaese Ed Hardy | Cult of Mac: This smart telescope changed the way I look at the stars [Review]Jeff's Review: Rode Wireless PRO — excellent audio for videos recorded with an iPhoneBrett's iTip: Add a Volume Slider to Your iPhone Lock Screenhttps://www.macrumors.com/how-to/add-a-volume-slider-to-your-iphone-lock-screen/  Jeff's iTip: Eufy Camera Tip: Press record (immediately!) when watching live video.https://www.eufy.com/collections/outdoor-security-cameras Support the showBrett Burney from http://www.appsinlaw.comJeff Richardson from http://www.iphonejd.com

Why are we racing—and who decided the pace? In this episode, Lauren sits down with UCLA Anderson career coaches Jenna Migliaccio and Jessica Christopher, co-founders of Glimmers, to unpack the modern rat race and how to build a career rooted in clarity, not comparison. If you've felt busy but misaligned, this conversation will help you slow down strategically—without falling behind.You'll learn:How to tell the difference between healthy ambition and misalignmentWhy “clarity comes from engagement” (and how to experiment without derailing your career)A simple mindset shift to stop running someone else's race and start running your ownShow NotesWeekly Newsletter Sign-Up: http://bit.ly/37hqtQW Book career coaching w/ Jenna: https://www.careercontessa.com/hire-a-mentor/profile/Jenna-Migliaccio/71365/ Alan Watts “Life & Music” video:https://youtu.be/eUzgSyfiF2s?si=pATgHCaRd_lI_MT6Guest Resources:Glimmers Bi-weekly Newsletter: lifeglimmers.comGlimmers instagram: @glimmersbyjessandjennaJenna LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennamigliaccio/Jessica LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessicachristopher8/Career Contessa Resources:Book 1:1 career coaching session: https://www.careercontessa.com/hire-a-mentor/ Take an online course: https://www.careercontessa.com/education/ Get your personalized salary report: https://www.careercontessa.com/the-salary-project/ Sponsors:Head to vitaclean.co and use code CONTESSA at checkout for 20% off your first purchase.Open a Found account for FREE at Found dot com. That's F-O-U-N-D dot com. Found is a financial technology company, not a bank. Banking services are provided by Lead Bank, Member FDIC. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

For all those who missed out on London, see you in Miami next week!Notion, the knowledge work decacorn, has been building AI tooling since before ChatGPT, with many hits from Q&A in 2023 and unified AI in 2024 and Meeting Notes in 2025. At the end of their last Make user conference, Ryan Nystrom teased Notion 3.0's Custom Agents - and they are finally embracing the Agent Lab playbook!Sarah Sachs and Simon Last of Notion join us for a deep dive into how Notion built Custom Agents, why it took years and multiple rebuilds to get right, and what it means to turn a productivity tool into an agent-native system of record for enterprise work.We go inside the product, engineering, evals, pricing, and org design decisions behind one of the most ambitious AI product efforts in software today — from early failed tool-calling experiments in 2022 to agent harnesses, progressive tool disclosure, meeting notes as data capture, and the long-term vision for software factories and agentic work.We discuss:* Sarah and Simon's path to launching Notion Custom Agents, and why the feature was rebuilt four or five times before it was ready for production* Why early agent attempts failed: no tool-calling standard, short context windows, unreliable models, and too much complexity exposed to the model* The “Agent Lab” thesis: not just wrapping a model, but understanding how people collaborate and building the right product system around frontier capabilities* How Notion thinks about roadmap timing: not swimming upstream against model limitations, but also building early enough that the product is ready when the models are* Why coding agents feel like the kernel of AGI, and how Notion is thinking about “software factories” made up of agents that spec, code, test, debug, review, and maintain codebases together* How Sarah runs AI engineering at Notion (“notes from Token Town”): objective-setting over idea ownership, low-ego teams comfortable deleting their own work, and a culture designed to swarm around fast-changing opportunities* The “Simon Vortex,” company hackathons, and why security gets pulled in early rather than late* How Notion organizes AI: core AI capabilities and infrastructure, product packaging teams, and a broader company mandate that every product surface must increasingly work for both humans and agents* Why prototypes have become much easier to build internally, and how “demos over memos” changes product development inside a tool the whole company already uses every day* Notion's eval philosophy: regression tests, launch-quality evals, and “frontier/headroom” evals that intentionally only pass ~30% of the time so the company can see where model capabilities are going* What a “Model Behavior Engineer” is, and why Notion treats eval writing, failure analysis, and model understanding as a distinct function rather than just software engineering* The changing role of software engineers in the age of coding agents, and why the new job looks less like typing code and more like supervising a rigorous outer system of agents, PRs, and verification loops* How the “software factory” should work: specs, self-verification, bug flows, subagents, and minimizing human intervention while preserving the invariants that matter* A live walkthrough of a Notion Custom Agent handling coworking space tenant applications by triaging email, enriching applicants with web search, and writing structured data into a Notion database* How agents compose inside Notion: shared databases as primitives, agents invoking other agents, “manager agents” supervising dozens of specialized agents, and memory implemented simply as pages and databases* Notion's take on MCP vs CLI: why Simon is bullish on CLI's self-debugging nature, where MCP still makes sense, and how Sarah thinks about capability, determinism, permissioning, and pricing alignment* The evolution of Notion's internal agent harness: from early JavaScript coding agents, to custom XML, to Markdown and SQL-like abstractions, to tool definitions, progressive disclosure, and a much shorter system prompt* Why Notion cares about teaching “the top of the class,” building for sophisticated operators rather than abstracting away too much capability for everyone* How agent setup works today: agents that can configure themselves, inspect their own failures, and edit their own instructions — with guardrails around permissions* How Notion prices Custom Agents: credits as an abstraction over tokens, model type, serving tier, web search, and future sandbox costs; why usage-based pricing was necessary; and how “auto” tries to match the right model to the right task* Why Notion is not eager to train a foundation model, where they do fine-tune and optimize today, and why retrieval/ranking is one of the most important investment areas as more searches come from agents rather than humans* Why Meeting Notes became one of Notion's strongest growth loops: not just as transcription, but as high-signal data capture that powers search, custom agents, follow-up workflows, and the broader system of record for company collaboration* Why Notion is more interested in being the place where collaboration data lives than in building hardware themselves — and how wearables or other capture devices may eventually feed into that systemSarah SachsLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahmsachsX: https://x.com/sarahmsachsSimon LastLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/simon-last-41404140X: https://x.com/simonlastFull Video EpisodeTimestamps* 00:00:00 Introduction and launching Notion Custom Agents* 00:01:17 Why Notion rebuilt agents four or five times* 00:03:35 Building for where models are going, not just where they are* 00:05:32 The Agent Lab thesis, wrappers, and product intuition* 00:08:07 User journeys, leadership, and low-ego AI teams* 00:13:16 The Simon Vortex, hackathons, and bringing security in early* 00:16:39 Team structure, demos over memos, and building for agents* 00:20:25 Evals, Notion's Last Exam, and the Model Behavior Engineer role* 00:27:37 Evals as an agent harness and the changing role of software engineers* 00:30:42 The software factory: specs, verification, and agent workflows* 00:32:18 Live demo: a custom agent for coworking space applications* 00:35:08 Composing agents, manager agents, and memory as pages* 00:38:15 Notion Mail, Gmail, native integrations, and tools* 00:39:43 MCP vs CLI and the cost of capability* 00:44:13 When Notion uses MCP vs building its own integrations* 00:47:43 The history of Notion's agent harness rebuilds* 00:55:35 Power users, public tools, and the setup agent* 00:58:01 Self-fixing agents, permissions, and “flippy”* 01:01:13 Pricing, credits, and choosing the right model automatically* 01:09:01 Why Notion isn't training its own frontier model* 01:14:07 Retrieval, ranking, and search built for agents* 01:17:27 Meeting Notes as data capture and workflow automation* 01:21:18 Wearables, hardware, and Notion as the system of record* 01:23:45 OutroTranscript[00:00:00] Alessio: Hey everyone. Welcome to the Latent Space podcast. This is Alessio founder of Kernel Labs and I'm joined by swyx, editor of the Latent Space.[00:00:11] swyx: Hello. Hello. We're back in the beautiful studio that, uh, Alessio has set up for us with Simon and Sarah from Notion. Welcome.[00:00:18] Sarah Sachs: Thanks for having us.[00:00:19] Alessio: Thanks for having us. Yeah.[00:00:20] swyx: Congrats on the launch recently the custom agents, finally it's here. How's it feel?[00:00:26] Sarah Sachs: We ship things slowly. So it had been in Alpha for a little bit and at the point at which is it's an alpha, um, there's a group of people that are making sure it's ready for prod, and then there's a group of people working on the next thing.So sometimes some of these launches are a bit delayed satisfaction, so it's quite nice to remind yourself all the work you did because we do have a habit of like. Being two or three milestones ahead. Uh, just ‘cause you have to be, you know, you can't get complacent. Um, but it's been great that people understood how this is helpful.And I think that's just easier in general building AI tools today than it was two, three years ago. People kind of get it and so that user education, um, there's just, it was our most successful launch in terms of free trials and converting people and things like that. It was really successful, so yeah.But there's a lot to build.[00:01:12] swyx: Making it free for three months helps.[00:01:16] Sarah Sachs: Yep.[00:01:17] Simon Last: It was definitely super exciting for me because it's probably the fourth or fifth time that we rebuilt that.[00:01:22] swyx: Yes.[00:01:23] Simon Last: And I mean,[00:01:24] swyx: you've been building this since like 20, 22.[00:01:26] Simon Last: Yeah, I mean, like, it was even right when we got access to like GPT four in late 20 22, 1 of the first ideas we had is like, oh, okay, let's make an agent that I, we used the word assistant at the time, there wasn't really the word, the word agent yet, but, oh, we'll give an access to all the tools the notion can do, and then it, we run in the background like, like do work for us.And then we just tried that many times and it just. Was too early. Um,[00:01:48] swyx: I need to force you to like double click on that. What is too early? What didn't work?[00:01:52] Sarah Sachs: We were fine to, like, before function calling came out. We were trying to fine tune with the Frontier Labs and with fireworks, like a function calling model on notion functions.This is right when I joined. I joined because, um, we needed a manager as Simon was needed to be able to go on vacation. So, uh, that's, that's around when I joined, so you can speak much more to it.[00:02:11] Simon Last: Yeah, we did partnerships with both philanthropic and open AI at different times, uh, to try to, at the time the, I mean, when we first tried, there wasn't even a constant of like tools yet.We, we sort of designed our own like, like tool calling framework and then we tried to fine tune the models to, uh, to use it over multiple turns. Um, and because it, it didn't work well out the box, I think. Yeah. The models are just too dumb and the context thing was also way too short.[00:02:37] Alsesio: Yeah.[00:02:37] Simon Last: Um, and yeah, we just kind of banged our head against it for a long time.Uh, unfortunately it was always like, there was always like sort of. Glimmers that it was working, but um, it never felt quite robust enough to be like a useful, delightful thing. Um, until I would say, uh, the big unlock was probably like Sonic 3.6 or seven, uh, early last year. And that's when we started working on our agent, which we shipped last year.Um, and then, and then uh, uh, custom agents, kinda a similar capability and that, that one just took longer because we, we just wanted to get the reliability up a lot higher. ‘cause it's actually running in the background.[00:03:14] Sarah Sachs: And the product interface of like permissions and understanding, you know, this custom agent is shared in a Slack channel with X group of people and has access to documents that are surfaced to Y group of people.And the intersect experts, Y might not be whole. And so how do you build the product around making sure administrators understand that permissioning took multiple swings.[00:03:35] Alsesio: Everything is hard back at the end of the day. Yeah. I'm curious, like when the models are not working, how do you inform the product roadmap of like, okay, we should probably build, expecting the models to be better at some reasonable pace, but at the same time we need to, you know, you had a lot of customers in 2022.It's not like you were a new company or like no user base.[00:03:54] Simon Last: Yeah, I mean I think there's always the balance of, you know, like you want to be a GI pilled and thinking ahead and building for where things are going. Uh, but also you wanna be like shipping useful things. And so we always try to like, like keep a balance there.You know, we. We try to take clear, like a portfolio approach. You know, we're always working on multiple projects and, and we're always trying to work on, you know, maintaining things where that have already shipped, like, like shipping new things that are like eminently working well and make them really good.And, and then we wanna always have a few projects that are a little bit crazy. Um,[00:04:23] Alsesio: and what are the a GI peel projects that you have today? I'm curious about, uh, you don't have to share exactly what you're working on, but I'm curious what are things today that maybe in 18 months people will be like, oh, obviously this was gonna work[00:04:35] Sarah Sachs: 18 months.[00:04:37] Alsesio: Yeah, 18 months is, you know,[00:04:37] Sarah Sachs: it's a long time and Yeah. Yeah.[00:04:39] Simon Last: I mean, there's a number of things happening. I think one thing that's becoming more clear is I think like, like, uh, coding agents are the kernel of EGI, sort of, everything is a coding agent. Mm-hmm. I think that's, that's sort of one, one direction.Um, and then, yeah, the exciting thing about that is sort of your agent can sort of bootstrap its own software and capabilities and actually debug and maintain them. And so yeah, we're, we're, we're thinking a lot about that. And then, yeah, like, like another category of things that I'm, I'm really excited about is like, uh, we call the software factory also.People are using this, uh, this, this sort of word. Um, basically it just means can you create sort of like a, as automated as possible, a workflow for developing debugging. Mm-hmm. Merging, reviewing, and maintaining a code base and a service where there's a bunch of agents working together inside, and like, like how does that work?[00:05:28] Sarah Sachs: If you think back to your initial question, like, why did this take so long? I think something,[00:05:32] swyx: I didn't say that, but Yes. Okay. Go ahead.[00:05:34] Sarah Sachs: Why, what, what changed over the three and half years of trying[00:05:37] swyx: it? Exactly. Right. Because most people always say like, it didn't work yet. Then reasoning models came, then it worked.I was like, okay, let's go a little[00:05:43] Sarah Sachs: bit. That's, I mean, that's part of it, but I think the other part of it that I actually think is really what will set notion apart for every new capability is we have like. Two skills that are crucial when it comes to frontier capabilities. One is not letting yourself swim upstream.So like quickly realizing if you're just pressing against model capabilities versus not exposing the model to the right information, not having the right infrastructure set up. That and of itself is the skill of intuition. And the second is to see, okay, you're not swimming upstream. Which direction is the river flowing and what is like, how do we think ahead about the product and start building it even if it's not great yet, so that when it is there, we're ready for it.Right? And like those can sometimes feel like counterintuitive things. Like we can be trying to fine tune a tool calling model when they don't exist yet. And that the trick is to not do that for too long, but realize that there was something there. And we've had a lot of things which like, um, we're just like not swimming in the right direction with the streams.I think we had multiple versions of transcription before we got meeting notes, right? Oh, I gotta talk[00:06:39] swyx: about that. Yeah.[00:06:40] Sarah Sachs: Yeah. Um, and so. I, I, I think that like we, we really closely partner with the Frontier Labs on capabilities and we also have to have strong conviction on, as those capabilities move.Notion is about being the best place for you to collaborate and do your work. And how does that narrative change if the way that we work changes?Yeah.[00:06:58] swyx: Yeah. You told me you were a fan of the Agent Lab thesis, and this is, this is kind of it, right?[00:07:02] Sarah Sachs: Right. I show that thesis to so many candidates. Like I have it as like micro chrome autofill.Um, at this point, like it's one of my most visitations[00:07:10] swyx: because like, is this the, here's why you should work in notion and not open, open eye. I, it's like,[00:07:14] Sarah Sachs: here's, here's what's different about it.[00:07:16] swyx: Yeah.[00:07:16] Sarah Sachs: And here's why. It's not just a rapper. I actually think more and more people understand it's not just a wrapper.[00:07:21] swyx: Yeah.[00:07:22] Sarah Sachs: Um, and by the way, like in the beginning, parts of what we build are wrappers on functionality. That works well, of course, but that's not really the most, um. I would say that's not the product that, that drives revenue. And that's not necessarily always what users need.[00:07:35] swyx: I mean, you know, notion is the AWS wrapper, but like the, the wrapper is very beautiful and like very, very well polished.So[00:07:40] Sarah Sachs: like the analogy,[00:07:41] swyx: like[00:07:42] Sarah Sachs: the analogy that I've been coming back to his Datadog in AWS[00:07:45] swyx: Yeah.[00:07:46] Sarah Sachs: So, uh, Datadog could not exist with, without cloud storage. Right. That it's kind of fundamental that that works. Um, and AWS has like a CloudWatch product, but Datadog is an expert on understanding how people want observability on the products they launch.And we're experts in understanding how people wanna collaborate, and that's really where our expertise lies.[00:08:04] swyx: Totally.[00:08:04] Sarah Sachs: Um, regardless of the tools that we use,[00:08:07] Alsesio: I'm kind of curious how you think about implicit versus explicit expertise. I feel like Datadog is half and half implicit and explicit. It's like they understand across markets and industries what engineering teams usually look for.With notion, it's almost like more of the expertise is at the edge because you as a platform, you're like so horizontal that the end user is not really the same. Mm-hmm. Like with Datadog, the end user is always like, yeah, an engineering lead, a kinda like SRE related person with notion. It can be anything.So I'm curious how you put that expertise into a product versus, you know, obviously it, WS cannot build notion. It's, that doesn't quite work in this case, but[00:08:44] Simon Last: it's, it's a little bit differently shaped. I think, you know, a classic vertical SaaS, like the data is kind of like that. They understand their individual customer very deeply.It's kinda a narrow slice, um, notion has always been super horizontal. And our, our task has always been to sort of balance these two somewhat opposing forces of like, we're listening to our customers and what they want us to build. It's a broad slice. And then also we're thinking about like, okay, how do we decompose what they want into, uh, nice primitives that are, that are really nice to use and we'll, we'll get us like as much bang for the buck as possible.And then, you know. Maintain the whole system, make it all like, like super clean and nice to use.[00:09:22] Sarah Sachs: We still have user journeys. I mean, we still focus on like core. I actually think the failure of our team is when we focus too much on what are cools that are, what are tools that are[00:09:31] Simon Last: mm-hmm.[00:09:31] Sarah Sachs: Cool tools. I actually think that's when we make have the least velocity because you still need some sort of focus on a user journey.So like for instance, we'll all sit down every Friday and look at the P 99 of like the most token exhaustive custom agent transcript and just look at why it didn't do well and cut a bunch of tasks. Like we still focus on like, this has, like this should work. Email triaging should work. Mm-hmm. Right. And similarly, like when we're talking about before building, um, chatting, um, before we started filming about, okay, how can I do PDF export?Well that's functionality that then merits. Maybe we should build a tool that has access to a computer sandbox in a file system and the ability to write code. Right? Right. Um, but it's because we're thinking about the fact that our users to do their, to do their daily work, need to export PDFs, not because we're like, Hmm, I think a computer tool could be cool.Like, let's just see what happens. Mm-hmm. Like we, we have to focus on some user journeys, otherwise we just don't have like, enough strategy to, to prioritize.[00:10:29] swyx: I think there's a lot of like really strong opinions that you've had. Do you have like sort of like a towel of Sarah Sachs? Like, you know, like what, how do you run your team?Like I feel like you just have accumulated all these strong opinions. Obviously part, part of this is your, your token town thing.[00:10:43] Sarah Sachs: I think the TAs working with Service X is, um, you'd have to, it depends who you ask. Um, I think it depends if you're on my team or a partner Right. Or a vendor.[00:10:54] swyx: Yeah. There other people want to run their teams the way that you're Yeah.You're like bringing these things. And then also similarly, uh, Simon, when you did the custom agents demo, you had like, well, we've been using custom agents and here's the super long list of everything that we do. No humans ever read it. Right? That's what you said. I was like,[00:11:07] Sarah Sachs: yeah. So I think for, for me, um, something that I learned very quickly and became very comfortable with was that my job was not to be the ideas per person or the technical expert.My job was to make it so that everybody understood the objective, had a resource to help prioritize what they should work on, and had an avenue to prioritize what they thought was important. And I think that's true with all, all leadership, but I think especially on the AI team. Almost all of our best ideas come from prototypes, from people that have a cool idea because they saw a user problem, and it's a huge disservice if all of those ideas have to pass, like the sniff test of what me and a product partner or Simon and Ivan decided were the direction, right?Because a lot of what we're doing is leaning into capabilities, so. I think that's the first thing is like, I don't really view like the role of engineering leadership as like, uh, hierarchical, nor has it ever been, but especially now, like very willing to change direction based on, um, like proof is in the pudding.Yeah. And like, and I think we have rebuilt our harness three or four times. And when you do that, then the second rule of engineering leadership is like you need to build a team that's comfortable deleting their own code and is very low ego and is driven by what's best for the company. And, um, doesn't write design docs because they think it's their promotion packet.Right. And that's a culture that notion had long before I joined, but like our willingness to just swarm on different problems and um, redo things that we've built before because something has changed. Like, there's a lot of friction that can happen at companies when you do that. And it doesn't happen at Notion.And because it doesn't happen when new people join. Like they don't wanna be the ones that are saying, we shouldn't do this. I wrote that code. So then it's, you know, you, you create a culture that everyone thoughts and that culture comes directly, I think from Simon and Ivan though, um, because they're very open-minded.[00:12:50] swyx: Anything that you,[00:12:50] Simon Last: you'd add? I'm not a manager, like, like, like Sarah is. Um, a lot of my role is really to try to think a little bit ahead, make sure that we're, we're building on the right capabilities and then like the prototyping stuff. And yeah, it's really, really critical to always just be starting again.It's like, okay, this is new thing. What does this mean? What if we just rethought everything or wrote everything? And so I, I'm, I'm basically just doing that in a loop every six months.[00:13:16] swyx: Yeah. Do you believe in internal hackathons for this stuff?[00:13:19] Sarah Sachs: I think there's like two different versions. So one is like, we just have a, a, a solid bench of senior engineers that come and go on what we call the Simon Vortex and Productionizing what we built, right?Because when you're in the Simon Vortex, the velocity is super high. The direction changes daily, and it's meant to be like the equivalent of a SC Works lab. We don't need to do hackathons for that. We need to have senior engineers that we trust to come in and out of those projects. For instance, like management boundaries are really loose.Like you report to him, but you work for her right now. Yeah. That's something that when we hire managers, it's important they don't care about because we tend to form more structures. Yeah. Don't be too[00:13:54] swyx: territorial.[00:13:55] Sarah Sachs: We form more. It's after we ship things, not not before, just historically. Um, the second thing is we do have companywide hackathons.Actually we just had our demos day for the hackathon we had last week this morning. That's more for people that aren't directly working on the project, feeling like they have the time to pause and learn how to make themselves more productive or how they would use notion custom agents to build something.Or part of the hackathon was actually encouraging everyone across the company to build their own agentic tool loop, calling from scratch. Follow like an every blog post on how to do what I think because we want[00:14:26] swyx: just with the compound engineering one. Yeah.[00:14:28] Sarah Sachs: We want everyone to use cloud code in the company or whatever the coding agent they please and understand that fundamental.So we set aside a day and a half. We're all leadership, encourage everyone on their teams across the company to do it. So we have hackathons like that. I would say like kind of facetiously, like everything we build is a little bit like a hackathon until it graduates and puts on big boy pants and as a product ops rollout leader and has a assigned data scientists and stuff like that,[00:14:54] swyx: security review enterprise stuff,[00:14:56] Sarah Sachs: actually security reviews one of the things that we bring in first because it just slows us down way more and, um, causes a lot of tension and they build better product if they're involved early.So, um, that is probably the first person to get involved in something that's the[00:15:09] swyx: right PR approved answer.[00:15:10] Sarah Sachs: No, but it's not just PR approved. It like, um, um, it's[00:15:13] swyx: actually real. It's actually real. It's like, um, I'm just saying scar[00:15:15] Sarah Sachs: tissue.[00:15:15] swyx: Yeah,[00:15:16] Sarah Sachs: because like, you know, my background's also, I worked at Robinhood for a number of years.Yes. So like, uh, compliance and things like that, um, are a little bit more, you learn the hard way when it doesn't come naturally.[00:15:26] Simon Last: Yeah. I think the. The hackathon is really important for uplifting the general population, but like, if that's the only way you can build new things, you're kind of toast. I mean, it, it has to be like the daily processes, like, you know, building these new things.Um, and it has to be about, I think like, I think in the AI era a lot more leverage accumulates to the most curious and excited people. And so it's like we're all about just like activating that energy. You know, like if someone's protesting something on the weekend that they're excited about and it's important, that should be the main thing that we're doing.Yeah. Um, it's not a hackathon that we schedule once a quarter, it's just like, yeah. Daily process. Part of the culture.[00:16:02] Sarah Sachs: I mean, that's how we shift image generation and notion now. It was always this thing that would be kind of nice to have, but it wasn't really clear where that was necessarily aligned in product priorities.It'd be a lot of work. And we had someone on the database collections team, Jimmy, who was like. I really wanna do image generation for cover photos and inside notion. And we're like, if you wanna build it, like it's, do it please. Like we encourage you. We gave ‘em all the resources of working directly with Gemini and being able to like track the token usage and it working through endpoints.We gave them eval, support, everything, and then became a, a full project.[00:16:34] Alsesio: Yeah.[00:16:35] Sarah Sachs: That's why you can't have like ego as a, a leader. Like that's, that's how we work.[00:16:39] Alsesio: What's the size of the team today, both engineering and overall?[00:16:43] Sarah Sachs: I manage, uh, the team. That's what we'll call it. Core AI capabilities and infrastructure.That's about 50 people. But then we have per i partner teams that do packaging. So how it shows up in the corner chat versus custom agents versus meeting notes, that's another 30, 40 people. And, and then every team that has a product service at Notion that a user can interface with owns the tool that the agent interfaces with the editor team.The team that did CRDT for offline mode is the same team that handles how two agents, um, edit competing blocks. Mm-hmm. Right? It's the same problem. The team that built the underlying SQL engine is the same team that owns how the agent asks it to run a SQL query, and it does it performantly. And so from that regard, anyone working on product engineering is tasked with making them work for customers that are humans and agents because over time the majority of our traffic will be coming from agencies using in our interface, not humans.And so. Our objective is to make it so that the whole product org is building for agents.[00:17:40] Alsesio: Yeah. How has it changed internally? The activation bar is kind of lowered a lot. Like anybody can kind of create a prototype very, somewhat easily, especially if you're like an existing code base. Have you raised the bar on like what type of prototype people need to bring forward to gonna be taken?Not like seriously, but like, you know what I[00:17:58] Simon Last: mean? Yeah. I think the bar is lowered in many ways. Be like, one thing our, uh, our team built that is really cool is our, uh, our, our design team made a whole separate GitHub repo, uh, called the, the design Playground. And it's basically just to create a bunch of like, like helper components and you, uh, for, for quickly a throwing together UIs.And it's become like actually quite sophisticated. Like it has like an agent in there and like, uh, that's pretty fun. So like, we pretty much, like, they don't do mocks, they just make like, like full, full prototypes.[00:18:27] swyx: Here it is. It works.[00:18:28] Simon Last: They give you like a u rl. They're like, okay, all right. So we have to make the, like the real production version of that.Um, and then for engineers. A prototype looks like just making it a feature flag that actually works. Like that's sort of the bar.[00:18:39] Sarah Sachs: Something to understand that's really unique about notion. One of the reasons I joined we're super lucky is no one uses Notion in their job as much as people that work at Notion.[00:18:46] Simon Last: Of course.[00:18:47] Sarah Sachs: So I think there's very few companies, maybe if you worked on Chrome I guess, but like everything that we ship, we ship internally first and get a lot of really quick feedback. And also sometimes our dev instance is totally borked and you have to change a bunch of flags to get things done. And that's kind of like, but everyone, so people that do it ticketing, people that do supply chain procurement, recruiting, everyone is using the same instance of notion with like a lot of flags on for these prototypes people build.Um, and so we have this, Brian Levin, one of the designers on our team, I think evangelize this concept of demos over memos.[00:19:18] swyx: Ooh, too[00:19:20] Sarah Sachs: good. Um, which has been, uh, very good for building demos, and I think it's put a big pressure point on us to have really strong product conviction, because if anything can be demoed, you really need a strong filter of making sure that if you know, you're doing X amount of work, you're making the, you're, you're focusing on one tower, you're not just building a really flat hill.Right. That's actually where I think there has to be more conviction from our PMs, um, and our designers and, and well, the company really to have conviction of what journey we're going on.[00:19:52] Simon Last: But overall, I feel like it works pretty well. Like people, almost all the engineers have good enough taste to realize that like, this prototype doesn't actually make sense in the product, or, or it does.So it's not that common that I would see a prototype. It's like, oh, this makes no sense. Mm-hmm. It's like, you know, people are doing reasonable things and, and, and then it's just a matter of. Which things we build first and then often just, just figuring out how to turn it on and off. There's our, in the, in our like experimental chat ui, there's this, there's probably like, like a hundred check boxes in there.[00:20:22] Sarah Sachs: Kills me[00:20:23] Simon Last: the things you could turn on and off.[00:20:25] Sarah Sachs: Uh, but I think that, okay, so that is kind of true, Simon, but like being the person that manages the evals team, like there is a level of intensity that it adds to the platform team. So, you know, if we're gonna do image generation and notion, all of a sudden the way that we do attachments and the way that we, um, our LLM completion like cortex talks and expects tokens back and now it's getting images back.Like there's a lot of platform work that we do need to, like solidify a little bit. So sometimes it'll be in dev for a couple weeks before it makes it to prod just because we still have to like, make it robust, make it HIPAA compliant, ZDR compliant, figure out the right contracting with the vendor, whatever it is.And we need to eval it because we want the team. To still maintain what they build. That's the one thing is like if we have a bunch of prototypes, it can't just be like a small group of people that then maintain whatever end prototypes. So we have invested a lot of people in an eval and model behavior understanding teams that, we call it agent dev velocity.So your dev velocity building agents can be faster if we invest in that platform. And so we have a whole org dedicated to Asian, um, platform velocity so that you can build your own eval and then maintain it once you ship it. So if a new model release comes out and we, every[00:21:38] swyx: team maintains their own eval,[00:21:40] Sarah Sachs: we maintain the eval framework.Every team owns their own evals and a lot of them we've integrated to Optin, to ci, or we run them nightly and we have a team, uh, a custom agent that triggers to a team to look at the major failures. That's really critical because if we have like all these different surfaces now, a lot of it's on the same agent harness, so it's easier to maintain.It's just packaging of different agent harnesses, but new functionality of the agent. Let's say that like we wanna update like. Uh, you know, they deprecated, sonnet, um, four or whatever it is and we need to auto update. Are[00:22:11] swyx: they already? That's so, okay. Yeah. Actually wasn't that long ago.[00:22:14] Alsesio: Theywere[00:22:14] Alsesio: just 3.5.[00:22:15] Sarah Sachs: 3.537. Just got deprecated.[00:22:18] swyx: 3 7, 5 0.2 or, yeah. No,[00:22:20] Sarah Sachs: it's not. 5.2 is five point. Five point no. Yeah, five four is 40% more expensive than five two. So if they deprecated five two, you would hear they can, you would hear from me about that one. Um, but, uh, another conversation to have.[00:22:35] swyx: I have a cheeky evals question for you.Have you noticed any secret degradation from any of the major model providers?[00:22:40] Sarah Sachs: Secret degradation,[00:22:42] swyx: like. During the War Bay, when it's high traffic, it suddenly gets dumber.[00:22:47] Sarah Sachs: Yeah. I mean, not just between the, I mean, we definitely notice flakiness, we've definitely noticed, particularly for some providers, that things are slower during working hours and[00:22:57] swyx: there's a latency argument.Yes. Not a quality argument.[00:22:59] Sarah Sachs: No. I think the quality difference that's interesting is, um, even though companies that say they're selling the same, a, it's really into like quanti quantization, but like companies that say they're selling the same model through different vendors, whether it be through first party or Bedrock, Azure, et cetera.We do see different qualities sometimes, and that's not necessarily what's advertised.[00:23:21] swyx: Yeah. Kidney went to the point of like, if we, they shipped like this, like eval across all the providers and it was like very obvious we were secret equalizing and it was very,[00:23:28] Sarah Sachs: yeah. But[00:23:29] swyx: that's very embarrassing.[00:23:30] Sarah Sachs: You know, um, we hire Subprocess to figure that out for us.So we just wanna understand where it's regressing or where it's optimized. And sometimes we're okay with regressions that optimize latency if they're the appropriate regressions. Our job is to make sure we have the evals to understand the changes that are important to us. And even like when we're partnering with labs on pre-releasees of models, they'll send us multiple snapshots.And this is less about quantization, but more just regressions. Like they have shipped models that were not the snapshots that we wanted, and they have changed the snapshots that they shipped based on the feedback that we give. Because our feedback tends to be more enterprise work focused and not coding agent focused.And definitely those can be bummers, like, you know, uh, we know that this wasn't the version you wanted, but we'll help you make it work. I mean, we always make it work, but that definitely happens.[00:24:16] Alsesio: Yeah. Do you have, um, failing evals that you're just hoping, oh, that will have success eventually when a good model comes out?[00:24:23] Sarah Sachs: Uh, I mean, yeah. So I think. I mean, I could talk about this for 60 minutes, so I will limit myself. I think it's a real issue when people say evals and it's just like, that's quality, that's like unit, I mean, it's like saying testing. It's not just unit tests, right? So. We have the equivalent of unit test.Regression test. Those live in ci, those have to pass a certain percent, you know, within some stochastic error rate. Then we have, as you're building a product, evals of these aren't passing right now, and this is launch quality. So we have a report card and we need to, on these categories, you know, be it 80 or 90% of all of these user journeys to launch, and then what we have what we call frontier or headroom evals, where we actively wanna be at 30% pass rate.And that's actually been a effort that we took in partnership with philanthropic and OpenAI in the past maybe two or three months, because we actually hit a point where our evals were saturated and we weren't able to really give insightful feedback other than it wasn't worse. And not only is that not helpful for our partners, it's not helpful for us to understand where the stream is going.You know, going back to that analogy. And so we spent a lot of time thinking about. What notions last exam looks like, right? Mm-hmm. Not just humanities, last exam. Ooh, notions last exam. Mm-hmm. And, um, there's a lot of, you know, dreams about what that would look like. I know we've talked a lot about benchmarking, um, swix, but, uh, yeah.Notions last exam is a big thing inside the company and we have people, full-time staff to it exclusively. Mm. We have a data scientist, a model behavior engineer, and an full-time, um, evals engineer just dedicated to the evals that we pass 30% of the time.[00:25:56] swyx: What you're hiring for[00:25:57] Sarah Sachs: MBEs? I am hiring[00:25:58] swyx: What is an MBEA[00:25:59] Sarah Sachs: model?Behavior Engineer Model. Behavior engineers started with a title data specialist before I joined when they were working with Simon on like, uh, Google Sheets and like Simon just needed someone to look through Google Sheets and say, yes, no, this looks bad. This looks good. Right? And so we hired people with kind of diverse linguistics background.We had like a linguistics PhD dropout. Mm-hmm. And a Stanford ate new grad. And they're amazing. And they formed a new function basically. And over time we've built a whole team, um, with a manager who's now kind of reinventing what that role is with coding agents. So they used to be kind of manually inspecting code.Now they're primarily building agents that can write evals for themselves or LLM judges. There's a really funny day I can send you the picture where Simon, about a year and a half ago, was teaching them how to use GitHub. Um, and they're on the whiteboard and it was like, okay, I think it would be so much faster if our data specialists learned how to use GitHub and like learned how to commit these things in Dakota.And, and that was then and now I think, you know, coding has been a lot more accessible. Um, but moving forward it's this mix of like data scientist PM and prompt engineer because there's craft in understanding like even like what models can and can't do things. How do we define like that headroom? How do we define like what a good journey is?Um, is this model better or not? Why is this failing? There's some qualitative work, but then there's also like a lot of instinct and taste to it, and that's not necessarily software engineering. And so we have like very firm conviction and we have had for a number of years now that that is its own career path and we have always welcomed the misfits, so to speak.So we really firmly believe that you don't need an engineering background to be the best at this job. And that's what's quite unique about this particular role.[00:27:37] Simon Last: Yeah, this is something that I've been pretty excited about recently is we made an effort basically to treat the eval system as like an agent harness.So if you think about it, like, you know, you should be able to have an agent end-to-end, download a dataset, run an eval, iterate on a failure, debug, and, and then implement a fix. And ultimately you should be able to, you know, drive the full time process with a human sort of observing the, you know, the outer uh, system.So yeah, we went, went pretty hard on that. And that's, that's worked extremely well so far. It's like basically just to turn it into a coding agent, uh, uh, problem.[00:28:11] swyx: Your coding agent or just whatever[00:28:13] Simon Last: harness No coding agent. Yeah, code, cloud code. It should be totally general. Yeah. I think if it would be a mistake to like, like fix it on any, any particular coding agent.At the end of the day, it's just like CLI tools.[00:28:21] Sarah Sachs: It's like the same way that you would've a coding agent write the unit test. You should have a coding agent write the eval.[00:28:26] swyx: Yeah.[00:28:26] Sarah Sachs: But there's a lot of supervision in that still. We just don't believe that supervision has to come from software engineers because a lot of it is like, um, kind of you XREE and whatever, and these are the people that also triage failures and tell us where we should be investing next.[00:28:40] swyx: Yeah. I'm gonna go ahead and ask a spicy question. Is there a data, there are no software engineers at Notion.[00:28:46] Simon Last: Um,[00:28:46] Sarah Sachs: what does it mean to be a software engineer?[00:28:47] swyx: Exactly.[00:28:48] Simon Last: I mean, I think the way things are going is like we're on some continuum where. If, if you look back three years ago, humans were typing all the code and then we had auto complete, you're typing list of the code.Then we had sort of like filling agents, filling lines, and now we're getting into like agents doing longer range tasks where you can debug and implement a fix and then verify it works and you know, get your, get your PR even like, like Merion deployed. I think we're sort of just moving up the abstraction ladder and then the human role becomes more about observing and maintaining the outer system.There's a string of agents flowing through, like me prs what's going off the rails. Like what do I need to approve? Is there like a learning or memory mechanism that that works? So it's kind of a hard engineering problem. There's a, you know, there's, there's a lot to do there. I think we're just sort of moving up stack[00:29:34] Sarah Sachs: the same transition machine learning engineers have made, right?Like I haven't looked at a PR curve in a while.[00:29:39] swyx: Yeah. You used to do this stuff and now, um, auto research can do it,[00:29:42] Sarah Sachs: right? Like I think it depends on what you define as a software engineer.[00:29:46] swyx: Yes. It's, that's changing for sure.[00:29:49] Sarah Sachs: I think every software engineer in notion this summer went through like this, um, sheer, um, one of our engineering leads of the company called it, like every software engineer is going through the, the, uh, identity crisis that every manager goes through, where all of a sudden they realize their ability to write code is less important than their ability to delegate in context switch.And I think that is a transition out of being a software engineer. But[00:30:12] Simon Last: yeah. Yeah, there's a critical difference to being a manager, which is that like, it is actually very deeply technical. The problem, you know, humans are very like, like, like fuzzy and you can't like treat a team of humans like a, like a rigorous system where like, you know, prs like, like flow through and can be in like a block status and then what happens when they're blocked, right.With a set of agents, you actually can do that. And, and, and I think it's actually, there's a lot of interesting technical rigor that that goes into that it's like it's a technical design problem. Ultimately.[00:30:42] Alsesio: What is the design of the software factory that you're building?[00:30:46] Simon Last: Yeah, I mean, I think we're. Trying a lot of different things.I mean, ultimately you want to design a system that requires as little human intervention as possible, but like still maintaining the in variance that, that you care about. So yeah, we're exploring a lot different ideas there. I mean, I think I could talk about a few things I think are important there.Like, one thing I think is really important is, um, having some kind of like specification layer you can just commit marked on files. Mm-hmm. That works pretty well, but[00:31:15] swyx: it's nice to be notion man. I'm just saying like the spec, like Yeah. The natural home for specs is notion.[00:31:21] Simon Last: Yeah. Right. It can be a database of pages.Yeah. I mean, it needs to be something that is, you know, human readable and I viewable and I think that's pretty key. Another really key component is like the, the self verification loop. Yes. You need really, really good testing layers, basically. And that's a really deep, uh, uh, problem. But by getting that right, you know, and then, and then it's kinda like the workflow of like.What happens when there's a bug? How does it flow into the system? Like, is it like a subagent working on it? How does it make a PR and how does that get reviewed? And me, and then, you know, so there's like the, the flow or process.[00:31:56] swyx: Yeah. Cool. Uh, you know, one thing we did work out before you guys came in was this demo or this[00:32:01] Simon Last: agents[00:32:02] swyx: agent demo.Uh,[00:32:03] Simon Last: so every,[00:32:04] Alsesio: every time we do an episode, we try the product. Right. I don't think there's ever been an episode that I haven't tried. Yeah. Um,[00:32:11] swyx: and we, we try, try is a, a big word. Like since day one lane space has been on Notion, but this is the, this is the net new thing. Yes.[00:32:18] Alsesio: So this is for Nel Labs, which is the space we're in.So next week we're opening applications for tenants. So there's a web form, let me, we got this form done here. Uh, so, uh, before. Uh, the workflow would be I get an email, then I look at the person. It was like, should I spend time talking to this person? Then I respond, they respond back. So I build this. So the name it came up for on its own.Can you maybe h how do, how does it come up with its own name?[00:32:43] Simon Last: Yeah, that's a pretty app name. It's, it, it is just a random, it's a random, a name generator.[00:32:47] Alsesio: Oh, that's funny. It just came,[00:32:49] Simon Last: the fact that it picked that is, is kind of hilarious. I'm pretty sure it's just determined,[00:32:54] Sarah Sachs: resilient collector. I, I think I've never looked at the code for that.I've never second guessed it. I think it's kind of like a madlib situation.[00:33:00] Simon Last: Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah. It's, it's totally a, a deterministic. Oh, I thought it was great. Yes. Although, although when the, if you use the AI to set itself up, it can update its own name, so. Okay. Um,[00:33:11] Sarah Sachs: how did you create it? It, did you just do[00:33:12] Alsesio: classroom?I,[00:33:13] Sarah Sachs: okay.[00:33:13] Alsesio: I did, yeah. I'll say just check my inbox for applications for a coworking space. Keep a people, so it created the database for me. Which I have here. And I guess database is like an notion table because everything is notion. Um, and then whenever um, an email comes in, like here, it just creates a new role for the person.Mm-hmm. And then it uses web search to enrich the mm-hmm. The profile. So it kind of like searches the web and it's like, this is who this person is, this is when they say they wanna move in and kind of updates everything else. This is, I mean, it's not a GI, but to me, I don't wanna do this work. So it feels like, I mean, it took me maybe like 15 minutes to set up the whole thing.Um, and I really like that most of the information should live here. You know, it is not like some other tool asking me[00:34:01] Sarah Sachs: Yeah.[00:34:01] Alsesio: To like, bring my stuff there. It's like I would've probably already created an ocean thing.[00:34:06] Sarah Sachs: Mm-hmm.[00:34:06] Alsesio: So[00:34:07] Sarah Sachs: most of our biggest use cases and gains are from. That extra layer of human involvement in the process to make it so right.And so like one of our biggest use cases is bug triaging. So if someone posts something in Slack, can you just have a custom agent that lives there that has its own routing constitution of what team this belongs to, creates a task in your task database and then posts in that Slack channel, right? Like that's like one of the first things that we built internally, I think.And it's completely changed the way that notion functions as a company. Nothing falls through, well, most things don't fall through the crack. We don't know what we don't know. But it's not replacing people, it's replacing processes.[00:34:44] Alsesio: Yeah.[00:34:44] Sarah Sachs: Right.[00:34:45] Alsesio: And I'm curious how you think about composability of these things.So the other one I was working on is like a. These filler. So whenever somebody signs up as a tenant, kind of he'll sell the lease for them. There should probably some agent that is like office manager agent mm-hmm. That can handle the request, make the lease, and then, uh, give them a ADA access to the office and all of that.How do you think about that feature?[00:35:08] Simon Last: Yeah, so I mean, there's, there's two ways you can compose. One way is by using like the data primitives. So you can, you know, you, you could give, you have one agent, uh, be writing to the database and there's another agent that's walked in the database. So that's, that's one way that they, they can coordinate that's like a little bit more decoupled and mm-hmm.Works really well. Or you, you can couple them. So I, I think it's actually not released yet. Releasing it like next week is, uh, in the settings for an agent, you can give access to invoke any other agent.[00:35:34] swyx: Hmm.[00:35:34] Simon Last: So you can have them just. Just, uh, uh, talk directly. So[00:35:37] swyx: you, was there a limit on like, number of recursions or just,[00:35:40] Simon Last: um, probably,[00:35:42] swyx: you know what I mean?Like, you can just get an infinite loop that way there's[00:35:45] Simon Last: some kind of Yeah,[00:35:46] Sarah Sachs: I think it's, there is actually a number somewhere.[00:35:49] swyx: I believe I'm just, you know, like, you're, you're, someone's gonna screw up. You[00:35:51] Simon Last: should you try to see[00:35:53] swyx: Yeah. I mean, everything's gonna be paperclips.[00:35:55] Simon Last: Oh, yeah. Yeah. But, uh, but, but that's really useful.Yeah. So we, you know, like I just, I, I helped, uh, someone internally the other day, they had, they had built like over 30 custom agents for, uh, for our go to market team doing all kinds of different things. You know, for example, like researching, you know, like, like filling information about, about a customer or like, like triaging customer feedback or like, uh, something like that.Literally over 30 of them. And, and then he, and then he even made like a database of all the agents and then he is like, okay, and, and now I'm getting 70, over 70 notifications per day with just the agents are blocked on various things. Uh, and then I was like, oh, okay, cool. You know, the obvious thing to do there is to make a manager agent,[00:36:32] Sarah Sachs: right?[00:36:33] Simon Last: That's gonna sort of blocks be another abstraction layer in between your, your, uh, uh, 30 agents. Uh, so yeah, we, we send out with like a manager agent and then has access to invoke all the other agents and it's sort of like, like watching and observing them and then it sort of, it just creates a layer of abstraction.So instead of 70 notifications per day, it's like, like five. And then, and then the manager agent can help like, uh, debug and fix any problems with the,[00:36:54] swyx: does this is a concept of like an inbox or something like piece, you're basically saying that they can message each other?[00:37:00] Simon Last: Yeah.[00:37:01] Sarah Sachs: Well[00:37:01] swyx: they use the system of record, which, which is[00:37:02] Sarah Sachs: notion, so we[00:37:03] Simon Last: actually, yeah, we didn't make any special concepts at all.[00:37:06] swyx: They're interested to the motion notifications that I would've got,[00:37:09] Sarah Sachs: they can just like write a task to a database that the other agent's task to listening to, or they can actually call a web book to the agent, like they can just add the agent. Okay.[00:37:17] Simon Last: Yeah, I mean, this is something that, that we're still working on.I, I think we, you know, like, like generally, generally the way we do these things is, you know, you first make it possible, maybe like a sort of janky way. So I, I, I think the way I set ‘em up is like, you know, we created like a new database that was sort of like issues mm-hmm. That the custom agents were, were experiencing, and then gave them all access to file an issue and then the manager has access to, to read the issues.Um, and that works pretty well, essentially like, like give it its own like internal issue tracker just for the agents. And then, you know, if that becomes a, a concept that seems useful, generally maybe we will think of how to package it in. But I mean, generally we try to just keep it to composing the primitive if we can.You know, another example of this is we have no built-in memory concept. Memory is, is just pages and databases. And so if you wanna give a memory, just give it a page and give it. Edit access to that page and the[00:38:03] swyx: human can edit it. Agent can edit[00:38:04] Simon Last: it. Yeah. And so that works, that pattern works extremely well on it.And you know, depending this case, you can have it be just a page or it could be an entire database with, you know, or, you know, I can have sub pages is is pretty on what you can do with that.[00:38:15] Alsesio: So when I was setting this up, uh, I connected my inbox and it was like, do you wanna use Gmail or Notion Mail? And I'm like, I don't wanna use Eater, I just want you to do it.I'm curious how you think about, you know, notion, mail, notion, calendar, all of these kind of ui ux interfaces, full stack[00:38:29] Simon Last: notion.[00:38:30] Alsesio: Yeah. When like at the same time you have the agents abstracting them away from you in a way, you know, how do you spend like the product calories so to speak?[00:38:37] Simon Last: Yeah, I mean, I think it's pretty important that you don't have to use, not your mail to connect to the mail capability.So we can just connect to Gmail or, or whatever you want, uh, to use. And we're thinking of the mail service as being really great to the extent that it's really agent built, right? So maybe the mail app is just sort of a prepackaged agent that helps you automate your, your inbox.[00:39:00] Alsesio: Yeah, the auto labeling is great.Think[00:39:03] Sarah Sachs: the, when we, um, integrate with Gmail for instance, we have a series of tools available that are available via MCP or API to Gmail. When we integrate with Notion Mail, we have the Notion Mail engineering team to build us the, um, exact right tools that optimize latency, optimize performance and quality.They own that quality. Um, there's product leads there. They're directly thinking about the user problems that happen in mail. So it tends to be when we build integrations and connections, we build natively first. Um, and then think about, um, extending them generally just because it's also easier. Mm-hmm. Um, um, to build natively first.Um, so that tends to be how we phase things out.[00:39:43] swyx: Talking about integrations, you prompted me, so I gotta ask. M-C-P-C-L-I. What's going on? What's the[00:39:48] Simon Last: Yeah. Opinion. I think, I mean, I'm, I'm definitely bullish and excited about cli. I think there's a few really cool things about cli. So one really cool thing is like, um, is that it's in the terminal environment, so it gets a bunch of extra power.So it, you know, for example, it can like, like paginating and cursor through like long outputs. Um, and it has a progressive disclosure inherently. Uh, so, you know, you don't see all the tools at once. It's just, you see the CLI wrapper and you can like use the, the help commands and, and, and read files. And then I think the most important thing that's, that's super cool is that there, it's also inherently a, a bootstrapped.So if there's an issue, uh, the agent can debug and fix itself within the same environment that it uses the tool.[00:40:30] swyx: Mm.[00:40:30] Simon Last: Right. Like, you know, I think I saw a tweet this morning. Someone said, you know, my agent didn't have a browser, so I asked it to make all a browser tool and within a hundred lines of code, it gave itself a little browser, like, like wrapping the, the, the chromium API, um.That's pretty incredible. And then if there was a bug, it would just immediately try to fix it. Mm-hmm. Right. On the other hand, if you use an, you know, if you use like of, of the Chrome dev tools, MCP, I've had this issue where like, like sometimes the transport gets like messed up. If it gets messed up, the agent has no way to fix itself.It, it no longer has a browser, it's, it's not broken. Right. I think that's, that's pretty fundamental, but I would say like a lot of the, the bad things about it can be fixed. Uh, so I think like, as a progressive disclosure, that can be fixed with, with right harness. Like, it, it obviously doesn't make sense to show it all the tools all the time.That's not really inherent to the MCP protocol. It's just like how you wrap it and use it.[00:41:16] swyx: There's many poorly built MCPs because we didn't know.[00:41:19] Simon Last: Yeah, yeah. I mean it was just early, like, like the obvious thing is, uh, you know, to start with is, is to just show it all the tools and it's like, okay, now we have a hundred tools.Yeah. And like the tool calling actually works. So let's of[00:41:28] swyx: your success[00:41:29] Simon Last: give it a way to like, like filter to source the tools. So yeah, I would say like broadly speaking, I'm really bullish on cli. I'm still bullish on CPS and in a certain environment. I think in, in particular, CP is really great for when you want sort of like a narrow, lightweight agent.I think there's, there's definitely a lot of use cases where, where you don't want like a full coding agent with a compute run time. And also you want it to be like more tightly permissioned. MCP inherently has a really strong permission model, like all you can do is call the tools. A CLI is a little bit murkier.It's like, can I access the, if PI token are you, like, properly sort of like re-encrypt the token so it can't like exfiltrate it, it introduce a lot of like, like new issues, which are. Real and hard to solve. And MCP is just like the dumb simple thing that works and it that it's pretty good.[00:42:12] Sarah Sachs: I'll add two more perspectives, not from it working well for Notion, but how notion like commits to both platforms.Notion is dedicated to being the best system of record for where people do their enterprise work. So we will always support our MCP and so far as other people are using cps, right? So regardless of our perspective, we've put a lot of effort into our MCP and we have a fantastic team that we're building, um, to do more there.And the second thing I'll say, I think, um, we all think a lot, but lately I've been thinking a lot about making sure there's a value alignment and pricing, um, with capability.[00:42:43] swyx: Literally our next question[00:42:44] Sarah Sachs: and. Needing language to execute deterministic tasks feels wasteful and requiring on a language model to interface with third party providers seems wasteful for tasks that don't require it.And particularly because our custom agents are using usage-based pricing. We think of pricing as like the barrier of entry for use of our product, and we're quite committed to making sure that it's not wasteful. Um, not just because it's a bad deal for our customers, but it's also bad business. We wanna have as many buyers, like there's a, there's an elasticity of demand and so if we can have our agents properly execute code that calls on CLI deterministically, it's a one-time cost, right?Versus constantly having a language model integrate with an MCP over and over and over and paying those like repeated token fees and it's happening outside the cash window, then you're paying for it over and over and over and it's just kind of unnecessary and less deterministic when it doesn't have to be.[00:43:36] Alessio: Yeah, the open-endedness I think is like, the main thing is like, well, if I go write code to just call an API, I would never use an MCP. But then you need an NCP sometimes when you know what to call, but you don't want it to restart versus like, I think the it built a browser from scratch is like, it's great when you're doing it on your own, but like if your customers were having your AI write a browser from scratch every time and you had to pay the token cost of that, yeah.You'd be like, no, no. The Chrome dev tools CP is actually pretty great. Just use that. I'm curious, how do you make that decision? Like should it be. Just straight API call very narrow. Should it be an MCP? Should it be super open-ended?[00:44:10] Sarah Sachs: Do you mean for when we ship notion capabilities or when we add capabilities to[00:44:13] Alessio: notion[00:44:14] Sarah Sachs: AI or,[00:44:14] Alessio: I mean, you might have a capability that the only way to do is an open-ended agent, like an agent with a coding sandbox.[00:44:21] Sarah Sachs: Yeah. In Notion ai they're not explicit, not We also ship an MCP.[00:44:24] Alsesio: Yeah. Yeah. In B,[00:44:25] Sarah Sachs: yeah.[00:44:26] Alsesio: Internally. Okay. Like is there ever a discussion of like, we're not gonna ship it because we're not able to tie it down? Or are you happy to just like,[00:44:33] Sarah Sachs: um, no. I mean, there are a lot of things where we choose not to use MCP because we wanna add more high touch to quality.I think search an agent to find is like the largest instance of that, where we have. Um, slack and linear and Jira search and notion that is not using necessarily the search MCP functionality that is provided by those companies. And that's because it's quite critical we think, to how our agent trajectories work is for us to have a little bit more control on the functionality of the search journey.And so it usually comes from quality and there's a long tail of things and that's why we built an MCP client or an MCP server, excuse me, so that people can connect whatever they want. There's that long tail, right. But we, for search particularly, I would say that's like the primary entry point, but there are other connections as well that it's a little bit of secret sauce a

I'm taking the day off for a little self-care after traveling out of state, and across multiple time zones, for a funeral. In the meantime, enjoy this rebroadcast about how you can get some quick hits of self-care.A glimmer is a small action that brings you joy or peace and knowing what your glimmers are is a powerful tool in your self-care kit!I've got a handful of glimmers that I can call on at any moment to put me in a more joyful and energetic frame of mind. I'll help you figure out your own glimmers so that you can use them any time you need a pick me up. ✨ In the second part of the podcast, Natascha and I talk about how I learned to go from over-packer to packing light enthusiast when I traveled with my family for one month in Europe a couple of years ago.

Kelsey's mom, Heather, was a gatherer of people. She watched the Food Network all day, wrote recipes on cards for friends and family, and never sat down at her own dinner party because she was too busy tending to everyone she loved. When Kelsey describes her mother, you can feel her mom flowing through her — in the way Kelsey gathers her community, loves her coffee, and shows up for the people around her.Kelsey lost her mom just over four years ago. About a year after, she felt an overwhelming pull toward motherhood — a pull she now believes was her mother's hand guiding her. Her son Freddy was born on Christmas Day, her mother's favorite holiday, and that timing cracked something open that had felt broken ever since her mom died.WHAT YOU'LL HEAR IN THIS EPISODEThe story of how Kelsey's son Freddy came into the world on Christmas Day — her mom's favorite holiday — and what that meant for healingWhat it felt like to be a motherless woman who also wasn't yet a mother, and how that quiet, dual identity created an internal darkness she hadn't expectedHer honest reflection on finding silver linings versus toxic positivity — and why searching for glimmers was the only thing that kept her goingHow her family each dealt with grief completely differently: her sister consumed by the past, her dad running toward the future, and Kelsey learning to live in the presentThe quote that changed everything: "When you're depressed, you live in the past. When you're anxious, you live in the future. But when you're at peace, you live in the present."How losing her mom shook Kelsey's belief that everything happens for a reason — and how she found her way back to that beliefWhat she has learned about love, expansion, and choosing to live with more of itA MOMENT THAT WILL STAY WITH YOU"I would do anything to have her back. But this is what it is — so how can we expand it into more?" Kelsey shows us that finding meaning in loss isn't about pretending loss is good. It's about refusing to let love stop growing.Resources:Save your spot for my free Masterclass: She's dead. Now what April 15 at 11:am https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/9a_gJj1VTluuXdxIdDDJWwDownload the free Can't Call your mom Anger Workbook Guide to begin taking care of yourself and moving stuck emotions: nicoleweston.ca/workbook.Connect with Nicolehttps://nicoleweston.as.me/connectionwww.nicoleweston.ca @thenicolewestonProduced by Nicole Weston & Co-Produced by Hunter BlackettPhotography by Heather Whitcombe ⁠⁠https://www.whitcombecreative.com/⁠

Send us Fan MailSomething shifted for us in the last few months, and it isn't a big dramatic breakthrough. It's smaller than that, and more useful: we started noticing the glimmers. The little sparks that make you smile when the world feels heavy. So we leaned into them and talked through what's been giving us hope, momentum, and a sense of control when so much feels out of control.If you're craving encouragement that feels grounded, not cheesy, press play. Subscribe, share this with a friend who needs a glimmer, and leave a review so more people can find the ride.Look up, and let's elevate! Support the showhttps://www.thegenko.com

On today's HEALING 101, I'm joined by Nadia and Katia Narain, for a gentle but powerful conversation about the beautiful concept at the heart of their new book: glimmers.We explore what glimmers really are - those small, often overlooked moments that signal safety and ease to the nervous system - and why they're so different from gratitude. Together, we talk about how learning to notice these tiny experiences of calm, connection, and okay-ness can help regulate stress, soften anxiety, and slowly shift us out of overwhelm. It's a soothing, reassuring discussion filled with practical insight and a reminder that healing doesn't always come from big breakthroughs, but from the smallest moments of feeling just a little more okay.Find Nadia and Katia:Instagram: @nadia.and.katiaBuy their book: https://amzn.eu/d/08CuHlBQStay Connected with Hurt to Healing:Instagram: instagram.com/hurttohealingpodTikTok: tiktok.com/@hurttohealingpodLinkedIn: linkedin.com/company/hurt-to-healingSubstack: substack.com/@hurttohealingWebsite: hurttohealing.co.uk Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this week's episode, Gretchen is trying to bring a little more light back in. After a brutally hard season, she talks honestly about what Moose's loss has reminded her of, who and what actually matters, why so much of the noise we stress about is meaningless, and how grief has a way of making everything crystal clear.She also gets into finding little “glimmers” during dark moments, how her definition of success has changed over the years, and why confidence really comes from proving to yourself that you'll do what you said you would. From building a solid girl group, to making new friends as an adult, to not forcing yourself to be “strong” all the time, this episode is part life update, part pep talk, and part big sister advice.If you've been feeling a little lost, lonely, in transition, or just tired of carrying everything perfectly, this one will feel like a deep breath.

Does it ever feel like "hoping" is a betrayal? Like if you start to look forward to tomorrow, or even just a simple vacation, you're somehow leaving your child behind in yesterday? Friend, that is the guilt of grief, and it is a lie that can keep you paralyzed in the dark.   But today, we are breaking that chain and giving you permission to hope again—not because the pain is gone, but because your anchor is fixed in a place that cannot be shaken.   In this final episode of our Permission and Practice series, we are moving from the whimsical "wishes" of the world to the certain, unbreakable Kingdom Hope found in Hebrews 6:19. We'll explore how to find your footing when you feel lost in the "messy middle" and how to train your soul to look for the tiny micro-evidences that God has not forgotten your story.   Inside this conversation, you'll discover… Why "Kingdom Hope" is a certainty and a person, not a "maybe" or a change in your circumstances. The beautiful truth of the "Inner Sanctuary" and how your hope is tethered to the very place where your child is already waiting. How to shift your perspective on sunrises and sunsets so they become a countdown to reunion rather than a reminder of absence. A simple, three-step practice to identify "Glimmers" of God's goodness even when your heart is still breaking If you've been afraid to hope again because it feels like moving away from your child, this conversation will remind you that hope is not abandoning love—it is the anchor that allows you to carry that love forward. Press play and allow God's promises to steady your heart today.

What exactly is a glimmer? Why do glimmers matter for outgrowing porn? Learn 3 ways to get the most out of your glimmers—maximizing moments of joy, peace, and connection. Related episodes:Porn and Polyvagal Theory (with John Kilmer) Play, Awe, & Porn Addiction: A Polyvagal Perspective Support the showTake the Husband Material Journey... Step 1: Listen to this podcast or watch on YouTube Step 2: Join the private Husband Material Community Step 3: Take the free mini-course: How To Outgrow Porn Step 4: Try the all-in-one program: Husband Material Academy Thanks for listening!

Send a textWe're back with another DU Glimmers of the Galaxy show! In this special episode we are joined by 2 great guests. First, we are joined by local Lorcana player and friend Megan, who like Alex will be participating in Glimmer Games. And 2nd, we are joined by Disney Lorcana artist Heidi Neunhoffer. She'll also be at Glimmer Games signing cards and talking about Lorcana during a panel. We all have a fun conversation about playing, the art, the community, and of course the highly anticipated, Glimmer Games! We hope you enjoy the show!Follow us on Instagram, Facebook, X, & Threads. On YouTube at @thedutv. Follow Megan on Instagram at @tiny_magic_loreFollow Heidi on Instagram at @neunhofferart 

The Six Nations is BACK after a fallow week that followed a weekend of endless DRAMA - we've got all of the fallout here for you as well as a big preview to this weekend's fixtures..Former England winger Topsy Ojo and Alfie Reynolds delve into why England have failed to set the Six Nations alight this year and discuss whether Ireland are back in business. The boys also discuss this weekend's huge game between Scotland and France that really feels like a championship decider as well as delve into Wales and whether there are signs that Welsh rugby could be on the up again.Find it all out in today's episode of the talkSPORT Daily!Producer: Daniel Kane & Romario WebsterEdited by: Daniel KanePhoto Credit: Getty Images Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Today's episode is a Wellness Business Club Member of the Month Spotlight and it's a proper heart-meets-strategy conversation. I'm joined by Sarah from Dragonfly Mindset, an empowerment coach and "pocket cheerleader" for anyone who wants more confidence, courage, and belief in what's possible. We talk about the messy middle of big life changes: leaving a career that no longer fits, grief as a catalyst, and the surprisingly common moment business owners hit where they realise they've started shrinking inside the niche they chose. If you've been feeling a bit boxed in, a bit "is this it?", or like you're trying to stay relatable by making yourself smaller… this one will land. What We Cover Sarah's transition from teaching to coaching, and why it stopped fitting after becoming a mum The role coaching played in shifting perfectionism, people pleasing, and self-trust Grief, perspective, and the question that changed everything: "If I only had 11 years left… what would I want my life to look like?" Why "niche down" can be helpful… and also quietly suffocating The moment Sarah realised she was holding herself back to stay relatable The difference between niching to a demographic vs niching to the feelings + transformation Core values and why misalignment shows up as exhaustion, resentment, and loss of spark "Glimmers", slowing down, and why your nervous system matters in business growth The journal prompts Sarah uses to reconnect to confidence and expansion Why mindset work is like gardening (maintenance matters) Journal Prompts From the Episode If you're feeling stuck, small, or a bit "meh", steal these: Where have I been shrinking recently when I could have been louder? What's made my body light up lately… and how can I lean into that more? What goal have I already achieved… but forgotten to celebrate? About Sarah (Dragonfly Mindset) Sarah is an empowerment coach helping people rebuild self-belief and confidence, and take courageous next steps in life and work. She's also created a set of audio "pocket cheerleader" resources for the days you need a boost, not another to-do list. Sarah's Resources Mentioned Sarah has created three audio collections: Calm Collection Gratitude Collection Confidence Collection Plus guided activations, journal prompts, affirmation cards, and phone backgrounds.

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Send us a textWe're back with a super loaded and super fun Glimmers of the Galaxy! These are our Lorcana themed shows, and we have a great guest. We are joined by the awesomely high energy Lorcana Twitch streamer & YouTuber JDZ Quest. We discuss some our favorite cards from the new & highly anticipated set, WinterSpell. As well as the big Lorcana event coming to our neck of the wood, The Glimmer Games, and more. So sit down, relax, and enjoy thew show!Follow us on Instagram, Facebook, X, and Threads. On YouTube at @thedutvFollow JDZ on Twitch, Instagram, & YouTube at @jdzquest

Is your nervous system stuck in "danger mode"? In this 10-minute somatic reset, we retrain your mind to stop scanning for threats and start hunting for Glimmers—those micro-moments of safety that physically calm your anxiety.Using the latest somatic techniques, Martin guides you through a powerful session designed to switch off the panic response and regulate your vagus nerve.In this session, we cover:The Double Inhale Breath: The fastest physiological way to hack your nervous system and lower cortisol.Somatic Release: A guided body scan to drop the "heavy backpack" of tension from your shoulders and jaw.Glimmer Hunting: A visualization technique to rewire your brain's filter to see the light, not just the dark.Today's 3 Caring Tips for a Happier, More Positive Life:Set a Glimmer Goal: Challenge yourself to find 3 tiny things tomorrow that feel good (a nice smell, a soft blanket) and explicitly name them as "glimmers".The Somatic Shake: If you feel stress building, stand up and shake your hands and legs for 30 seconds to physically discharge the trauma.Protect Your Morning: Do not look at your phone for the first 10 minutes of the day. Let your nervous system wake up in safety, not reaction mode.Support the Show: If this session helped you find a little light today, please hit the Follow button so you never miss a reset. Know someone who is feeling heavy? Share this episode with them—be their glimmer today.Break the Cycle of Anxiety Today Are you ready to stop the spiral? Join me in the Anxiety Circuit Breaker course, specifically designed to help you regain control and find your calm in just minutes. You can access the full course and take the first step toward a quieter mind by visiting calminganxiety.fm.

What if small moments of joy are more powerful than we realize? In a world full of stress, trauma, and emotional triggers, how can we intentionally notice the “glimmers” God places around us to restore peace, hope, and resilience?

Welcome back!In this episode of The Pelvic Power Podcast, we explore the idea of glimmers — the small moments that help the nervous system feel safe, present, and supported.Today we dive into:how glimmers support nervous system regulationwhy noticing safety matters when living with chronic pelvic painusing breath and awareness to reconnect with your bodyfinding small moments of ease in everyday lifeallowing the good moments to matter, tooThis episode isn't about ignoring pain or pretending everything is fine. It's about expanding your awareness so your body has more opportunities to settle, soften, and feel supported.If you're curious how small shifts in attention can support your pelvic healing journey, this episode is for you.If you want more support on your journey, come join us for weekly classes! Inside the Pelvic Health Yoga Membership, you'll find pelvic floor yoga, breathwork, myofascial release, and a supportive community to help you move through pain with more ease.✨ Join here and start your 7-day free trialAny takeaways? Send them my way - @wellbeing.by.pennySupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-pelvic-power-podcast/donations

Jenny Hughes is a psychologist specializing in trauma. She discusses the concepts of vicarious trauma and resilience, sharing her career journey and the founding of the Brave Trauma Therapist Collective. The conversation delves into the importance of recognizing vicarious trauma, the development of the BRAVE method, and practical strategies for mental health professionals and the general public to navigate their emotional well-being. She emphasizes the significance of community support and the need to identify and celebrate small moments of joy, referred to as 'glimmers', in challenging times.Key Takeaways:Vicarious trauma is a normal experience for helpers.The BRAVE method helps address vicarious trauma.Naming vicarious trauma is the first step to managing it.Vicarious resilience can be accessed through empathic engagement.Community support is crucial for mental health professionals.Glimmers of hope can be found in everyday moments.Self-care is essential but should be part of a larger structural change.The journey of healing is not linear and requires patience.Jenny's Links:WebsiteFacehttps://www.facebook.com/groups/thebravevicarioustraumacommunitybookInstagramYouTube

As investors digest the first serving of Mag 7 earnings, Marley Kayden and Sam Vadas offer their final takeaways from Wednesday's trading session. Among the highlights: gold's shimmering record rally, memory chips refusing to slow their momentum, and general resilience fueling it all on Wall Street and beyond. ======== Schwab Network ========Empowering every investor and trader, every market day.Options involve risks and are not suitable for all investors. Before trading, read the Options Disclosure Document. http://bit.ly/2v9tH6DSubscribe to the Market Minute newsletter - https://schwabnetwork.com/subscribeDownload the iOS app - https://apps.apple.com/us/app/schwab-network/id1460719185Download the Amazon Fire Tv App - https://www.amazon.com/TD-Ameritrade-Network/dp/B07KRD76C7Watch on Sling - https://watch.sling.com/1/asset/191928615bd8d47686f94682aefaa007/watchWatch on Vizio - https://www.vizio.com/en/watchfreeplus-exploreWatch on DistroTV - https://www.distro.tv/live/schwab-network/Follow us on X – https://twitter.com/schwabnetworkFollow us on Facebook – https://www.facebook.com/schwabnetworkFollow us on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/company/schwab-network/About Schwab Network - https://schwabnetwork.com/about

Microsoft granted the FBI access to laptops encrypted with BitLocker. The EU opens an investigation into Grok's creation of sexually explicit images. Glimmers of access pierce Iran's internet blackout. Koi Security warns npm fixes fall short against PackageGate exploits. Some Windows 11 devices fail to boot after installing the January Patch Tuesday updates. CISA warns of active exploitation of  multiple vulnerabilities across widely used enterprise and developer software. ESET researchers have attributed the cyberattack on Poland's energy sector to Russia's Sandworm. This week's business breakdown. Brandon Karpf joins us to talk space and cyber. CISA sits out RSAC.  Remember to leave us a 5-star rating and review in your favorite podcast app. Miss an episode? Sign-up for our daily intelligence roundup, Daily Briefing, and you'll never miss a beat. And be sure to follow CyberWire Daily on LinkedIn. CyberWire Guest Our guest today is cybersecurity executive and friend of the show Brandon Karpf with Dave Bittner and T-Minus Space Daily host Maria Varmazis, for our monthly space and cyber segment. Brandon, Maria and Dave discuss “No more free rides: it's time to pay for space safety.” Selected Reading FBI Accessed Windows Laptops After Microsoft Shared BitLocker Recovery Keys (Hackread) European Commission opens new investigation into X's Grok (The Register) Amid Two-Week Internet Blackout, Some Iranians Are Getting Back Online (New York Times) Hackers can bypass npm's Shai-Hulud defenses via Git dependencies (Bleeping Computer) Microsoft investigates Windows 11 boot failures after January updates (Bleeping Computer) CISA says critical VMware RCE flaw now actively exploited (Bleeping Computer) CISA confirms active exploitation of four enterprise software bugs (Bleeping Computer) ESET Research: Sandworm behind cyberattack on Poland's power grid in late 2025 (ESET)  Aikido secures $60 million in Series B funding. (N2K Pro Business Briefing) CISA won't attend infosec industry's biggest conference (The Register) Share your feedback. What do you think about CyberWire Daily? Please take a few minutes to share your thoughts with us by completing our brief listener survey. Thank you for helping us continue to improve our show.   Want to hear your company in the show? N2K CyberWire helps you reach the industry's most influential leaders and operators, while building visibility, authority, and connectivity across the cybersecurity community. Learn more at sponsor.thecyberwire.com. The CyberWire is a production of N2K Networks, your source for strategic workforce intelligence. © N2K Networks, Inc. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Rob Hirst, the former drummer for the band Midnight Oil has died at age 70. In 2018 Sarah sat down with Rob for a wide-ranging conversation about music, nature and reconnecting with family (R)

Awesome actor Vinnie Jones swings by to tell us all about season 3 of Vinnie Jones in the Country.Wellness wizards Nadia Narain and Katia Narain Phillips flick through the pages of their book Glimmers.Super chef Aldo Zilli drops by to chat about his glittering 50-year career and turning 70 years old.Join Chris and the Class Behind The Glass live from the rock n roll tower every morning from 0630! Don't forget you can watch all the stars live on the FREE Virgin Radio UK app. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this thought-provoking episode of the Developing the Leader Within Podcast, we welcome back Sylvia Lafair, CEO and co-founder of Creative Energy Options, and a multi-award-winning leadership expert. Sylvia dives into the often-overlooked dynamics that can undermine leadership effectiveness and workplace relationships, emphasizing the critical need to address what remains invisible in organizational settings.Drawing from her unique background as a family therapist, Sylvia shares insights on how personal experiences shape leadership behaviors and the importance of recognizing and transforming these patterns to foster a healthier workplace culture. She introduces her upcoming book, "Glimmers at Work," which explores integrating head, heart, and gut intelligence in leadership.You will learn the following:1. The hidden dynamics that often derail leadership effectiveness and how to identify them. 03:322. The concept of the "hero trap" and how it impacts decision-making in teams. 07:363. Strategies for cultivating empathy and active listening in high-stress environments. 10:554. The significance of asking uncomfortable questions to drive organizational change. 14:255. How awareness of emotional and behavioral patterns can empower leaders to unlock their full potential. 26:47To get in contact with Sylvia: Website:  http://www.ceoptions.comBooks: Best-Sellers ⁠⁠LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/sylvialafairThis episode is sponsored by   Triad Leadership Solutions  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://triadleadershipsolutions.my.canva.site⁠⁠Our podcast is sponsored by   The Global Trends MagazineWebsite: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.gc-bl.org/global-trends⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Outlier Project   Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://theoutlierproject.co⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Ascend MeditationsWebsite: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.ascendmeditations.app⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Chop AiWebsite: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.chopai.app⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Castle and Compass AdventuresWebsite: ⁠⁠https://castle-and-compass-adventures.com⁠⁠Bonefrog Coffee CompanyWebsite: ⁠⁠https://bonefrogcoffee.com⁠⁠Coupon code: DTLW BoomcasterWebsite: ⁠https://www.boomcaster.com/⁠Make sure to Catch us streaming on Roku and Amazon Fire TV on the Purpose Place Network.Also catch our Exclusive Members only content “Going Deeper Within” on the Lions Guide Academy.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.lionsguide.com/gdw⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

At the beginning of the year, affirmations are everywhere. But if you have ever felt frustrated, tense, or discouraged while trying to use affirmations, this episode explains why. In Episode 446, Laura shares why affirmations that are not believable often create internal pushback, self-judgment, and cognitive dissonance, and why this is not a personal failure. You will learn how the brain responds to thoughts that feel untrue, how glimmers signal safety to the nervous system, and how to choose words that gently move you forward in healing, relationships, business, and lifestyle change. This episode offers a realistic and compassionate approach to mindset work that works with your brain instead of against it.   Let's Connect! If this episode helped you breathe a little easier, please share it with a friend or leave a review. Every share helps spread this message of hope, healing, and whole-person wellness.

After three decades working to deliver easy, fast and cost-effective patient experiences through technology, Ryan Howells is more optimistic about the future than he's ever been before.At a time when healthcare has been at the center of polarizing and partisan politics, Ryan is focused on an area foundational to digital health that he says draws consensus across party lines: data exchange and interoperability. Freely moving data can unlock innovation in technology, payment models, and regulation to make healthcare work better for everyone, and Ryan is extremely encouraged by the openness to ideas and volume of activity he's seeing from the second Trump Administration in these areas.As Principal at Leavitt Partners since 2015, Ryan collaborates with the private sector, the White House, Congress, HHS, and the VHA to improve health care nationwide. For the past ten years, he has also led the CARIN Alliance, a bi-partisan, multi-sector alliance uniting industry leaders to advance the adoption of consumer-directed exchange across the U.S.In January 2023, Ryan joined Keith Figlioli on the podcast to discuss the myriad of new possibilities emerging in healthcare as a result of better access to data. In this episode, he recounts the progress and obstacles since that conversation, but more importantly, helps unpack the flurry of new activity.Topics Ryan and Keith covered include:ACCESS & TEMPO. These are the latest examples of two new government programs that Ryan believes will remove barriers to innovation. ACCESS is a CMS initiative that now makes it possible for technology companies to bill Medicare directly for digital health services – and get paid only when patients achieve specific, measurable clinical outcomes. Ryan explains how ACCESS is a breakthrough for transparency and has the potential to change contracting for digital health vendors as health system may now ask to share risk. TEMPO is a program from the FDA that complements ACCESS by allowing participating companies to bypass traditional device clearance processes through “enforcement discretion,” provided they share real time data with the FDA. Ryan explains how this oversight lowers cost and complexity for startups and accelerates the path to market for new digital health solutions.Removing administrative roadblocks. In early 2025, Ryan's team at Leavitt Partners published a paper titled, “Kill the Clipboard” that offered recommendations to cut administrative costs, lower the burden on consumers and providers, and modernize the health care data exchange ecosystem. Ryan discussed recommendations like the need for stronger enforcement of information blocking rules and suggestions for the government to change its certification program to focus on APIs, versus functionality of EHRs. He explained how these things would allow health systems to control their own data, build cloud-based workflows, and integrate with payers and innovative companies more easily.Linchpins for data liquidity. Ryan believes that achieving true data liquidity in healthcare requires three foundational elements: a cloud-based data store, an API endpoint, and robust digital identity credentials. With these in place, he says organizations can exchange data securely and efficiently, supporting everything from public health to quality measurement and pharmacy exchange. He says these are the linchpins to finally achieve the data liquidity needed for innovation, interoperability, and improved patient outcomes.To hear Ryan and Keith discuss these topics and more, listen to this episode of Healthcare is Hard: A Podcast for

Sharon Maxwell returns (she might hold the record!?) to talk about embracing pleasure with food and bringing fat joy into the new year. Oh and...why body liberation is not dead, they just want us to think it is.Tune in for more on:- Why pleasure matters in healing- How Sharon is learning to savor food, perhaps for the first time- Psychedelics in Sharon's recovery - Finding “glimmers” of joy during hard seasons- Fat joy in the new year- How community support helps us resist diet culture- Body liberation as an everyday practice- Using play as an act of resistanceSupport the show: Enjoying this podcast? Please support the show on Substack for bonus episodes, community engagement, and access to "Ask Abbie" at abbieattwoodwellness.substack.com/subscribeSharon Maxwell (she/they) is an educator, speaker and fat activist. With compassion as a guiding principle, Sharon is a leading force in dismantling systemic anti-fat bias. She dedicates her work to eradicating weight stigma on both a social level and within healthcare settingsFind Sharon on IG: @heysharonmaxwellApply for Abbie's Group Membership:Already been at this anti-diet culture thing for a while, but in need of community and continued learning? Apply for Abbie's monthly membership: https://www.abbieattwoodwellness.com/circle-monthly-group Social media:Find the show on Instagram: @fullplate.podcastFind Abbie on Instagram: @abbieattwoodwellness Podcast Cover Photography by Anya McInroyPodcast Editing by Brian WaltersThis podcast is ad-free and support comes from your support on Substack. Subscribe HERE. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit abbieattwoodwellness.substack.com/subscribe

This conversation revolves around the nervous system and its impact on the way that we connect. Dr. Alexandra is joined by Deb Dana, the leading translator of Dr. Stephen Porges' scientific work on Polyvagal Theory to the public and mental health professionals. As just one example of her huge impact, a term she coined, glimmers, has gone viral on TikTok. You'll hear Deb take us through Polyvagal Theory, explaining the three principles of neuroception, hierarchy of response, and coregulation. You'll learn about the states our nervous systems go between - how those states feel and the types of thoughts and sensations that go alongside each state. You will learn that our ability to connect with the people around us is dictated by our biology. It's not cognitive. And it's certainly not random.  Through the lens of Polyvagal Theory, helping our nervous systems and the nervous systems around us feel safe becomes the goal, and you'll learn how that perspective has shaped Deb Dana's life and how it can shift how you approach your relationships, as well. And of course, you'll hear about glimmers, including how to integrate a simple glimmer practice into your routine, in order to further help the nervous system feel safe and primed for connection, curiosity, and creativity.Resources worth mentioning from the episode:Read Deb Dana's “A Beginner's Guide to Polyvagal Theory”: https://dralexandrasolomon.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/Beginners-Guide-Presentations-1.pdfLearn more about Deb Dana and her work: https://www.rhythmofregulation.com/Anchored: How to Befriend Your Nervous System Using Polyvagal Theory by Deb Dana: https://bookshop.org/p/books/anchored-how-to-befriend-your-nervous-system-using-polyvagal-theory-deb-dana-lcsw/2dcb315349927ae6Continue the conversation with Dr. Alexandra Solomon:Ask a question! Submit your relationship challenge: https://form.jotform.com/212295995939274Order Dr. Alexandra's book, Love Every Day: https://bookshop.org/p/books/love-every-day-365-relational-self-awareness-practices-to-help-your-relationship-heal-grow-and-thrive-alexandra-solomon/19970421?ean=9781683736530Cultivate connection by subscribing to Dr. Alexandra's newsletter: https://dralexandrasolomon.com/subscribe/Learn from Dr. Alexandra (E-courses: Intimate Relationships 101 or Can I Trust You Again?): https://dralexandrasolomon.com/learn-from-alexandra/Learn more on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dr.alexandra.solomon/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Feeling the heavy "grey" of the season? You don't have to force happiness today. Join Martin, your Clinical Hypnotherapist, for a gentle 5-minute morning meditation designed to soothe Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD) and shift your mood instantly.In this episode, we move beyond toxic positivity and use the science of Polyvagal Theory to introduce you to "Glimmers"—the trending antidote to triggers. While triggers push your nervous system into fight-or-flight, glimmers are micro-moments of safety and connection that anchor you back to calm.In just 5 minutes, you will learn to:Retrain Your Brain: Overcome your mind's natural negativity bias by activating your "Glimmer radar." Soothe Winter Blues: Shift your biology from survival mode into "rest and digest" using somatic regulation. Find Magic in the Mundane: Use visualization to spot micro-joys—like the steam of coffee or a winter robin—to spark instant gratitude. Why listen? If you are struggling with seasonal depression, high-functioning anxiety, or just the weight of the dark months, this session offers a practical tool to help you feel safe, warm, and connected. Become a "hunter of glimmers" and find the light that is already there. Featured Affirmations: "I am open to seeing the magic in the mundane." "Safety and joy are available to me right now." "I choose to focus on what warms my heart."

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After more than three years of expanded conflict, there might be some glimmers of hope for Ukraine. President Trump's frustrations with Putin are growing, but Trump's flip-flopping on the issue has continued to vex world leaders. So what can we expect from Trump? Has he really had a turn of heart? Ambassador Bill Taylor and Rosa Brooks join David Rothkopf to shed light on the latest news and more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today's Oddcast - Talking Lamar - Mr Butter and His Glimmers (Airdate 10/3/2025)   Lamar loves to look on the bright side, so he shares a list of little things that make his day better.   The Bob & Sheri Oddcast: Everything We Don’t, Can’t, Won’t, and Definitely Shouldn’t Do on the Show!