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The basis of the celebrated Paramount Network miniseries starring Michael Shannon and Taylor Kitsch--Waco is the critically-acclaimed, first person account of the siege by Branch Davidian survivor, David Thibodeau.Twenty-five years ago, the FBI staged a deadly raid on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco. Texas. David Thibodeau survived to tell the story.When he first met the man who called himself David Koresh, David Thibodeau was a drummer in a local a rock band. Though he had never been religious in the slightest, Thibodeau gradually became a follower and moved to the Branch Davidian compound in Waco. He remained there until April 19, 1993, when the compound was stormed and burned to the ground after a 51-day standoff with government authorities.In this compelling account--now with an updated epilogue that revisits remaining survivors--Thibodeau explores why so many people came to believe that Koresh was divinely inspired. We meet the men, women, and children of Mt. Carmel. We get inside the day-to-day life of the community. We also understand Thibodeau's brutally honest assessment of the United States government's actions. The result is a memoir that reads like a thriller, with each page taking us closer to the eventual inferno.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-opperman-report--1198501/support.

Episode 289-Remember Bryan Malinowski Also Available OnSearchable Podcast Transcript Gun Lawyer — Episode Transcript Page – 1 – of 14 Gun Lawyer — Episode 289 Transcript SUMMARY KEYWORDS ATF raid, Brian Malinowski, unlicensed dealer, Arkansas lawmakers, DOJ investigation, no-knock warrant, self-defense, gun laws, Biden administration, Waco incident, Ruby Ridge, gun deserts, consumer protection, defensive property, gun rights. SPEAKERS Evan Nappen, Teddy Nappen, Speaker 2 Evan Nappen 00:17 I’m Evan Nappen. Teddy Nappen 00:19 and I’m Teddy Nappen. Evan Nappen 00:21 And welcome to Gun Lawyer. Teddy Nappen 00:24 So. Evan Nappen 00:25 Teddy, what’s up, man? Teddy Nappen 00:28 Well, just flipping through Ammoland from John Crump, by John Crump. I never even heard of this story. Like, I’m going to be very honest. I did not know this happened under the, by the ATF. Arkansas lawmakers are demanding the DOJ investigate the ATF raid on Brian Malinowski. (https://www.ammoland.com/2026/05/arkansas-lawmakers-doj-investigation-atf-raid-bryan-malinowski/) Evan Nappen 00:54 Are you talking about Malinowski? Teddy Nappen 00:56 Yeah, Malinowski. When reading the article, I was shocked, because I remember from all the criminal procedures of like, what you would do. And I’m like, this is the, I was getting flashbacks to watching the Waco documentary, from reading, like. Page – 2 – of 14 Evan Nappen 01:14 Teddy, let me explain. Yeah, I’m familiar with the Malinowski case. So, Malinowski was a total law-abiding guy. No priors, no issues, a law -abiding guy. He lived in, I believe, it was Alabama, and he was gun collector. He’d go to gun shows, and he would trade for guns. Sell private sale guns, etc., okay? A collector. And what happened was, as you may recall, the Biden bull garbage that we were dealing with. Trying to turn people into dealers who weren’t dealers. Well, ATF apparently believed that Mr. Malinowski was being an unlicensed gun dealer. Now, here’s the thing. He is a professional, first of all. As I recall, his background was in air traffic, you know, with the airline. Air Traffic Control, I think it was. Teddy Nappen 02:37 He was the, he looked like he was the head of the Clinton National Airport of Little Rock. Evan Nappen 02:43 Yeah. Here is a guy who’s a professional, head of an airport, that has his hobby of firearms, as many of us do. And Alabama is a private sale legal state. Teddy Nappen 02:56 I think it was Arkansas. Evan Nappen 02:59 Arkansas? Oh, yeah, yes, Arkansas, Arkansas. Teddy Nappen 03:02 Or the proper term, ArKansas. Evan Nappen 03:04 Well, it was legal for. Right! It was Arkansas, and it was legal to do. And what happened was just outrageous. They claimed he was in the business of selling firearms without an FFL. So, that’s the charge. You know whether they could prove it or not prove it or whatever, that’s what their claim was. And what happened was, ATF and Little Rock Police got a search warrant, and they came to his home at 6 am to look for evidence of wrongdoing. ATF breached the door with a battering ram. And I think, according to his wife, Malinowsky believed that these were intruders breaking into his home at 6 am, and he fired at the agents, not realizing, of course, what the hell’s going on. He hit one in the foot, and law officers there returned fire. Shooting Malinowski in the head and killing him dead. Evan Nappen 04:27 So, here’s what the lawmakers, they sent a letter to DOJ about this, and the letter reads, listen to this. “Awakened by the sound of the breach, Mr. Malinowski retrieved a handgun and encountered an armed silhouette entering his home. He fired toward the intruder’s feet. An ATF agent immediately returned fire, striking Mr. Malinowski in the forehead and killing him. Mrs. Malinowski was standing only inches behind him.” Now, this is activity by ATF, where they are going after, you know, what is essentially paperwork crime, if it even qualifies as crime. They busted down his door at 6 am. How come this was done as a no knock for this guy? Who knows? Crazy. He ends up getting killed. And yet here, Teddy, you didn’t even hear about it. Yet, we take cases with, and hear about cases with, with ICE, right? Page – 3 – of 14 Teddy Nappen 05:46 Pretti and Good. (Alex) Pretti and (Renee) Good. Evan Nappen 05:47 Yeah, Pretti and Good. Where, you know, with Renee Good, she was, you know, trying to run down, allegedly, this officer. She went there to protest. She was there knowing there was going to be agitation, knowing there’s going to be trouble going there. Same with Pretti, same with Pretti. Teddy Nappen 06:10 Who actually was fighting with the police. Evan Nappen 06:12 Fighting with them and going there. Evan Nappen 06:14 That’s not what happened here. We have a guy in his home! A law-abiding guy in his home, who at best, has paperwork violations. A licensing violation at best. Not even that that is necessarily legitimate, and he ends up shot in the head over the actions taken by ATF. And you don’t hear a peep about it in the lame stream media. Teddy Nappen 06:42 The other part that really, there’s two pieces that stick out. Three pieces, actually, stick out to me. Number one, the knock and announce. So, I remember, in criminal procedure, we talked about this. It is very important on the knock and announce for the officers. They waited 23 seconds. They knocked, waited 23 seconds, and then break the door down. They also had enough time to tape the camera, the doorbell camera. And no body cams, because apparently, their excuse was low funding. Not enough funding for body cams even though they are supposed to have. Evan Nappen 07:19 They had enough money to buy tape. Teddy Nappen 07:21 Yeah, they had enough money to buy tape. Yeah, they had enough. Evan Nappen 07:24 To cover the doorbell lock camera, cover the door. Look, if they’re there as law enforcement, don’t you want it known to this guy, who has no priors, who’s not a problem? Don’t you want it known that it’s law enforcement there? You want to make it crystal clear! Hey, Government, law enforcement here. Boom! You want to be seen on the Ring that you are law enforcement and not 6 am house hot invaders. Teddy Nappen 08:01 The other factor is there is clear. There have been other encounters with the ATF with this exact same scenario. You know what they did? They knocked on the door and said, Hi, we’re with the ATF. It’s the Page – 4 – of 14 Ring doorbell camera there. That situation. They’ll you say, No, I’m, you know, I’m not talking to you, or we’re here to arrest you. Okay, we’re, that’s it. They had so many other encounters where this could have been. But instead, they decided to go full Waco SWAT team and assassinate this man. Evan Nappen 08:30 It’s insane. It’s insane. And, you know, their history of activities. I mean, we know, you know, Waco was just horrible. They had a guy inside of the facility that could have easily made that encounter completely non- violent. Instead, way back in those days, you know, with Clinton and company, they did it to try to make an example out of this guy’s church, etc. And of course, it was all to “save the children”, to save the children, which all end up dying because of what they did. Teddy Nappen 09:13 And then tried to cover it up. Evan Nappen 09:13 With the fire, and then tried to cover it up. Oh, they bulldozed the scene as quick as they could afterwards. Teddy Nappen 09:20 Yeah. Evan Nappen 09:21 You know, because the stuff they used lit the place on fire. Teddy Nappen 09:28 My favorite was, if you do, you remember the hearings? Where you know how the you could clearly see the Dems trying to justify the ATF murdering people? Evan Nappen 09:36 Right! Teddy Nappen 09:37 Republicans fighting, and I love the one. Evan Nappen 09:39 Don’t forget Ruby Ridge as well. Teddy Nappen 09:41 Yep. Evan Nappen 09:42 I mean, over a shotgun barrel, that was where they entrapped the guy, literally entrapped the guy. They ended up paying like $3 million in civil damages for their actions there at Ruby Ridge. Okay? So this kind of rogue insanity, oh, it’s fine, as long as it’s on gun owners, you know. Page – 5 – of 14 Teddy Nappen 10:08 But this is the key. What really bothers me the most, Dad. The biggest question they’re asking from the lawmakers, the political motivation. The question remains, is whether the timing and aggressiveness of the operation were influenced by the impending rollout, by the ATF’s final ruling of the “engaged in the business of selling firearms”. So, imagine if, right now, and I always have to tell this to all those out there who are trying to say, you know, Republicans and Democrats are the exact same thing. Or should have just voted for Kamala Harris. Imagine Kamala Harris now with their current ATF, and they enforce that law, where you and I are going to be assassinated in the night by armed guards bursting in accusing people of being unlicensed. It’s disgusting! Evan Nappen 10:58 The armed agent nonsense of doing this. Luckily, you know, President Trump and his administration are taking steps now to remove, in the 39 rule proposals, remove that absurd “doing business” expansion that Biden did. So, basically, if you sell a gun, you’re considered a dealer under the old Biden. Ending the so-called, where even going after dealers themselves by saying, one error, one error, and you can lose your FFL completely. I mean, these activities are just outrageous. What takes place there barely gets any attention. But if you’re out there causing problems regarding other wrongdoers, that being illegal aliens, that are themselves having broken the law, and here they’re trying to protect other lawbreakers. And then you go to this cause a conflict, the media blows that all over the place. But here, this guy gets shot in the head in his home. Teddy Nappen 12:30 You know, it’s also people don’t talk about that, comparatively to the ICE tactics. The ICE tactics, what they do are actually far much more safer. They do everything they can to not escalate and just go full SWAT team and shoot people on that. The two extremes, where someone is trying to run you over with a car, or the other individual who is attacking and fighting with them, and then during the scarcity of when in the chaos of all them trying to hold him down the confusion, he gets shot. That’s the clear difference here. Let’s just say, for the sake of argument, justification, all right. He fired at them. They fired back. Looking at everything prior to where there was barely any knock. They taped the cameras. No body cams. They just went into the night. The wife says, I think there is an intruder. By the way, their warrant said not a dangerous threat, not a dangerous criminal. Evan Nappen 13:26 So, they were even told, so why are they taping the doorbell camera? Just act normal. You know, we’re here. We’re law enforcement. We have a warrant. Let us in. We have a warrant. I would bet you anything, as long as they made it clear they had a warrant, this guy is going to be okay. You have a warrant come in. Instead, he’s under this impression that his house is subject to a hot robbery. Teddy Nappen 13:53 Yeah, by the way, it’s dark. Where were the, you know, badges, anything, just to say, anyone, you bust down the door and yelled police on that front. SWAT teams are trained in that engagement where you’re going in to a situation, clearing rooms, if you’re going to go in that hot. I mean, where’s the justification for that? Where the guy had no priors, nothing. It’s insane. Page – 6 – of 14 Evan Nappen 14:17 It is. And, you know, I visited the site at Waco. If you ever get out there, they have a memorial site. This is, of course, not official, but they have it there, and you can pay a visit. You know, the I saw the actual warrant for Koresh for the raid on Waco. The actual search warrant that they were using. And one of the lines that stuck out to me was where they said they observed, when they had their inside man, that he had subversive literature there. This is actually in the warrant, in the affidavit for the warrant. That he had subversive literature. And the subversive literature, written in the warrant, was Shotgun News and Soldier of Fortune Magazine. Did you know that that’s known as subversive literature? SOF and Shotgun News. Yeah. That was Janet Reno. She was the Attorney General back then. Whoof. Bad news, bad news. Evan Nappen 15:29 And those incidents, you think they would learn from these other horror shows that they conducted. Not to pull that again. But once Democrats are pushing it, especially as you point out, when they want to make an example, they will try to do something like this to push their agenda. I’m sure that was part of their motivation. We’ve seen them try to lay groundwork anytime they want to push an agenda. A great example of it is the so- called, which you don’t hear about anymore after the incident, as you recall the Fast and Furious Operation. With the Fast and Furious Operation, they were providing arms to the Narco terrorists. So, the U.S. Government, through them, gave arms that supposedly had trackers or something to arm the bad guys. And one of the arms ended up killing a Federal officer later. (https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/news-releases/facts-are-stubborn-things-connection-between-fast-and-furious-and-agent-terrys) I think it was Terry. Brian Terry was his name. They ended up killing Terry with guns supplied by the Government. Now, why were they doing this? Well, they were pursuing an anti-Second Amendment agenda. Teddy Nappen 16:52 Wasn’t it the steel pipeline? Evan Nappen 16:54 Well, the iron pipeline. What it was they. At the same time that they had tried this Fast and Furious Operation, to try to somehow demonstrate that guns are flowing from the U.S. to Narco terrorists. That’s when they also put in the multiple rifle reporting requirements on the border states. And that’s also when they changed the 4473 where you have to either admit or deny your Hispanic heritage. This was all part of this approach that was the iron pipeline idea. It blew up in their face. So, they had to abandon it after Fast and Furious. But that was their evil plan back then. So, it wouldn’t surprise me that this was part of their propaganda campaign, and it ends up with this guy shot in the head. It’s just outrageous. Teddy Nappen 17:59 As I recall, I think it was the head of the operation, during some interview where he’s talking about it. How we planned to put GPS trackers into the firearms to see where they ended up. And did you? No. They just handed the guns, just handed them over. Yeah, then when they found it for some murder or Page – 7 – of 14 some crime, they’re like, oh yeah. They trace the serial number, and like, oh, that’s one of ours. Our bad! Whoopsie. Evan Nappen 18:27 Yeah, yeah. So, as long as the U.S. Government was arming Narco terrorists, that’s okay. Teddy Nappen 18:34 I know, right? Evan Nappen 18:35 And putting guns into. You know, you see from the Left, and this even reflects in the Southern Poverty Law Center. Well, we don’t really have enough racism. So, I guess we’ll pay racists to make sure, you know. Hence, you get Charlotteville and all those things happening. By a creation. by the Left, to create the issue for them to then create more intrusion, more laws, more of their agenda by doing these operations. This is their M.O. Teddy Nappen 19:11 Take it a step further, Dad. You have to remember when it comes to the Left, and this is just, they recruit the mentally ill. I’ll give you the best one. 45% of liberals describe their mental health as poor. 45%. That’s right from a pole. Evan Nappen 19:29 I think that’s low. Teddy Nappen 19:29 It probably is higher, but this is my point. They recruit the mentally ill. They scream and call people Nazis, fascists. They’re going to kill you. They’re gonna go after your family. They’re doing everything they can. Evan Nappen 19:30 Pedos. Smear with everything they can come up with. Smear, smear, smear. Make sure you populate the internet with all the smears. Make sure you have the paid protesters pushing the smears. I mean, their propaganda machine is second to none. Teddy Nappen 20:02 And then when one of them, who’s mentally ill enough to say, yeah, let’s do it. And then tries to run down a hallway and get shot down by an MP7. Thank you, Secret Service. Or another individual tries to shoot at our President, multiple times, different ones. Evan Nappen 20:20 No. Now they want to blame, somehow it’s President Trump’s fault. Teddy Nappen 20:25 Yeah, yeah. Page – 8 – of 14 Evan Nappen 20:26 You know what? Teddy Nappen 20:27 It’s so disgusting. Evan Nappen 20:31 Well, and it’s not just Democrats, but also, as you call the black pillars. They don’t help the situation. Teddy Nappen 20:37 They’re the, I like what Stephen Crowder calls them. They’re the woke Right, the horseshoe Right. They’re saying they’re all the same, man. They’re all the same. Look at the inroads that Trump has made, and imagine. Do you really want to give the other party that power where they’ll send in a hit squad to kill you because they think you’re illegally selling guns? That is what you want? No, thank you. Do not hand it. You’re a bunch of accelerationists thinking that we’re gonna really make change. No, you’re handing power to the individuals that want to destroy us. That is insane. Evan Nappen 21:16 I mean, you know, look back just under the Biden administration, what we put up with. Curtailing freedom of speech, with the conspiracies that are shown to be absolute lies against the President and against Republicans. I mean, the stuff they did is unbelievable. I guess you saw Dan Bongino talking about the burn bag that has all that information in it. They wanted to burn it, and somehow ended up not burned. Somebody, I think, didn’t want that to get burned. Somebody there wanted the truth. Teddy Nappen 21:55 You also have to remember the Twitter files. Mark Zuckerberg admitting that he was pressured by the Biden administration to censor Republicans and the pressure that Democrats in charge to censor Republican and conservative voices. The YouTube censorship. All the big tech censorship, all up and down. Now you’re saying, no, no. Let’s give this back to the Left. It’s no. You’re ridiculous if you think that is actually a good strategy. So, yeah. Evan Nappen 22:23 Well, Teddy. Let me tell you what’s going on this week at WeShoot. So, WeShoot has Smith and Wesson Bodyguards, the 2.0 Performance Center, Carry Comp. This is a pretty hot gun. It’s ultra concealable, which is very important in New Jersey. And it has upgraded performance center tuning and an integrated compensator that keeps recall flat and control high. They also have the Radian Ramjet and Afterburner Barrel and Comp, which is really the ultimate Glock upgrade. It transforms that platform to having reduced muzzle rise, faster follow up and next level shooting dynamics. 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Check out. weshootusa.com, weshootusa.com. Evan Nappen 24:47 Let me also shamelessly promote my book, New Jersey Gun Law, the Bible of New Jersey gun laws. It’s over 500 pages, 120 topics, all question and answer to guide you through the matrix of insanity that we call New Jersey gun law. It’s all done in that question and answer format. You’ll get answers to your legal questions out of that book in writing by me. That’s right. An attorney who has dedicated his life to defending law-abiding New Jersey gun owners and trying to make it so we don’t commit GOFUs. Because New Jersey is loaded with them. And protect yourself, man. Knowledge is power. Go to EvanNappen com. You’ll see the big orange book there and get a copy today. Hey, what else, Teddy, is on your mind that you’ve discovered? Teddy Nappen 25:47 So, this one came up recently. As everyone’s favorite, I am Spartacus, Senator Cory Booker. One of his staffers decided to bring a his carry into the Capitol. And every time I see that individual, I think of, didn’t you debate Cory Booker? Evan Nappen 26:09 I did. I debated Corey Booker. Teddy Nappen 26:11 When what was it? Evan Nappen 26:13 I debated Cory Booker a number of years ago on TV. He came in, and we were arguing about New Jersey gun laws. They brought him in as, big surprise, for the anti-Second Amendment arguments. And I’ll tell you upfront, as a person, he’s a very personable guy. Like personable. Talking to him, he’s friendly. But, of course, you know, the anti-gun arguments always fail. This was no different. Teddy Nappen 26:46 He’s a Gavin Newsom. He’s slick. Evan Nappen 26:48 Right. He’s slick. But you know, unfortunately, their agenda is that of being anti-rights. They love to claim that they, oh, I support the Second Amendment, BUT. It’s always that, BUT. And the but is, I want to ban all guns or whatever. But they somehow support the Second Amendment, and they’ve never met a gun law they didn’t like. So, so much for that lie. Page – 10 – of 14 Teddy Nappen 27:11 I always think of the Left. They always try. If they ever took power and packed the court, they’re just going to go to the Second Amendment and go, look, that’s a comma. See that comma? That means we can pass whatever we want, like. Evan Nappen 27:32 Well, it’s a living document. It’s a living document. In a modern society, there’s no reason why anyone needs, whatever, fill in the blank. Teddy Nappen 27:44 Yeah. Fill in the blank. Evan Nappen 27:45 As if need has got anything to do with anything. Teddy Nappen 27:48 You know, like the ATF rolling up on your house and trying to assassinate you. Evan Nappen 27:52 Well, you know, what do you need a sports car for? What do you need a supercharged bass boat for? What do you need any. You know, we’re not a needs-based society. We’re not each according to their needs. That ain’t us. Okay? Needs ain’t about it, all right? Teddy Nappen 28:14 Well, the Socialist got nothing to do with it. Evan Nappen 28:17 Yeah, and they do. Evan Nappen 28:18 And that’s a growing movement. You know, you hear the term Democrat socialist. The only difference between a Democrat socialist and a socialist is a Democrat socialist is trying to impose socialism by way of our elections and the political process, to make a socialist. And make the same. Yeah. Teddy Nappen 28:41 They’re communists. They’re just communists. They literally. You had Bernie Sanders honeymooning in the USSR, and you had Sean Penn praising Venezuela. And what was it? Jane Fonda and Cuba praising the Cuban regime. Evan Nappen 29:00 Just recently, Jayapal, the legislator, was caught trying to figure out how they can get oil past the U.S. sanctions embargo to Cuba. (https://www.foxnews.com/video/6395078651112?utm_content=other&utm_source=flipboard) Isn’t that great? Just try to undermine our foreign policy. Isn’t that cute? Page – 11 – of 14 Teddy Nappen 29:00 You know, some might say that would be aiding a foreign adversary, but, you know. Evan Nappen 29:25 Right. Yeah. I mean, who knows, but somehow they just keep on going with this stuff, with our enemies. With folks that are opposed to what has created the greatest standard of living in the history of humanity, and that is capitalism. Teddy Nappen 29:48 But going back to it Cory Booker. His staffer was a retired law enforcement officer. He had the gun on him, and he went into the Capitol. He was arrested last year, and of course, the charges were dropped without any consequences lingering. And now the debate on whether he could carry or not, I went. Evan Nappen 30:08 He may have been retired law enforcement. I don’t know if LEOSA applied in that particular situation in law enforcement safety. Teddy Nappen 30:17 Yeah, I pulled it from the U.S. Capitol Police. Their rules are all weapons are prohibited, even if you are a retired law enforcement officer. Evan Nappen 30:28 So, I don’t know how it got dismissed. Teddy Nappen 30:32 Well, you know why. Evan Nappen 30:35 Yeah, exactly. Teddy Nappen 30:36 But it could have been, the minutia of the staffer had gotten permission. Apparently, if you meet certain requirements, you could have, but it didn’t seem, there was no mention if he even met the requirements. Doesn’t matter. They just walked away the charges. It’s right there with, uh, Mr. Pull the fire alarm because I don’t understand how to open a door. What was his name? Evan Nappen 30:56 I don’t remember. But yeah, yeah, right, yeah. Teddy Nappen 30:59 Like that. Yeah. Charges dropped. But this is the thing. It’s always about the elitism. Where you have, here’s someone extremely anti-gun pushing the anti-gun agenda. Right here, the newest article right from them. U.S. Senator Cory Booker leads colleagues renewed push to establish safety standards for Page – 12 – of 14 firearms in an effort to save lives. Pushing a new bill right here. They’re going to add the Firearms Safety Act. It creates a Consumer Product Safety Act that was first passed in 1972. It corrects the gap. Evan Nappen 31:36 The gap, the so-called gap. What it is they want this mechanism in the Government so that they can ban guns via Consumer Protection. The idea is to abuse Consumer Protection laws, and you see New Jersey doing this state side. They’re alleging the Consumer Protection violations under state law against legitimate dealers, gun makers, etc. So, beware. This is yet a further angle that they’re pursuing to take away our rights. It’s the movement of gun rights suppression is to go at every angle. Whether they can link guns to a health care problem, whether they can link guns to a consumer protection problem, whether they can, you know, anything they can somehow tag it on with that’s what they try to do to expand their suppression of our rights. It’s classic tactics by those that oppose the Second Amendment. Teddy Nappen 32:53 Well, what they’re trying to do is create and I’ve coined this term. I don’t know who else coined it, but I like it. Gun deserts. They are trying to, the Left are trying to, the Left are trying to push the stupid argument of a food desert, which you can have food delivered very easily. From what they’re doing, going after gun dealers in Jersey, making extremely hard to even open a shop. I’m taking this term gun desert. They’re trying to create gun deserts. Making it extremely hard to get a firearm. Because they know they can’t win on the legislation and our rights, so now they’re just going to sue our rights away by going after the very people. Evan Nappen 33:26 And what’s interesting, one of the regs being put forward, actually a combination of them, federally, will, and I haven’t read the text, but apparently, what they’re looking to do is have the 4473 computerized. Then you’ll be able to purchase a gun online, and the firearm can actually be delivered to your door. Now, I don’t know how that might work under New Jersey state law, probably not able to do it. But in many, many states, it will be feasible if it first goes through a dealer. They’ve recently allowed guns to be shipped even via the post office. Of course, it’s regulated how to do it, but there was at one point a complete ban. That’s no longer the case. Evan Nappen 34:20 And if they get this electronically set up and they change the rules, they can allow it. Right now, for example, you can buy a suppressor and have it go directly to your door. They’ve set up a network of dealers in suppressor-legal states. These companies like Silencer Central, etc, they’re able to process your NFA form online. They have an interface to the e-forms for the federal government. You can do the prints by way of a computer, and then once everything gets approved, you’re literally mailed your suppressor to your door. Now, of course, not in New Jersey. New Jersey has a state ban on suppressors, but that is currently being challenged as to its constitutionality. So, this is where we’re at. There is still good hope. I still am optimistic, seeing these fundamental changes take place federally, and we’re seeing victories politically still happening. The fight is full bore in the courts. Don’t lose hope. We are winning slowly but surely. We’re gaining ground in many of these areas, even though these Page – 13 – of 14 problems are still there that need to be addressed. But the good news is it is a new day when it comes to the ability to have the tools to fight for rights. Evan Nappen 36:06 And that’s something I’ve seen over four decades of gun law practice, my friends. I see it. I remember way back when I started, you couldn’t even find a law journal article that spoke about the individual right to keep and bear arms. And frankly, thanks to the NRA, let’s give credit where credit is due. Early on, they pushed the academic side of researching the truth about our Second Amendment rights, and that became critical in the Heller decision and decisions that have followed from Heller. Having that depth of historic scholarly research on our rights, which 40 years ago didn’t exist, did not exist, because it had been suppressed and ignored. Look, I started my practice with a very you know, I became an attorney, and I had the honor of working for the very first firearm law firm in America, which was Benenson, Kates & Hardy. There was no such thing prior to that of a firearm law firm. And back in those days, you know, another attorney would ask, what kind of law do you practice? I’d say, you know, firearm law. They go, what? What do you mean firearm law? They wouldn’t even know what it was. Couldn’t even wrap their head around it. Evan Nappen 37:44 And now, of course, with the Supreme Court decisions and this growth of challenges, etc, you see a completely different view and understanding of what firearm law means and its importance, and the practice of gun law is accepted. I remember at one point in the old Red Book, they called it, where they list lawyers by categories. And I said, hey, I want a listing of firearm law. They said, we don’t have firearm law. I said well make the category firearm law, because it even exist as a practice area, right that you would focus on for your practice. So there’s been a lot of advancement. The fight is, of course, on, but this is, this is where we are. It is interesting looking back and seeing and I do believe that we will succeed. We will succeed. Truth is on our side. Truth is absolutely on our side, and the day when we no longer have to be victims, but can be defenders, and not just our right to keep their arms being respected, but our right to self defense being respected, because that too is protected by the Second Amendment our right to defense. And don’t take that lightly, because throughout the rest of the world, particularly in the formerly Great Britain, use a gun to defend yourself. You get arrested, charged and prosecuted for using a firearm to defend yourself, right? That’s where our rights are critical, not just having the hardware to do it, but also the legal and lawful ability to do it, and our self defense laws, though, still need to be changed and worked on. Matter of fact, Teddy, we were talking about that, weren’t we? Teddy Nappen 39:56 Yeah, one of the big things we were discussing as well as back from the previous podcast. One of the previous episodes, we were talking about the right of defense of property. I felt that there should be a change in the law. I know you always said “life wins over property”, but. Evan Nappen 40:16 It does. Page – 14 – of 14 Teddy Nappen 40:16 There needs to be. Correct. But there needs to be a deterrence, because right now, heavy amounts of robberies, car jack, like carjacking, the car theft. It’s one of those where I always looked at Jeff Cooper’s quote. I always think to that quote. The criminal does not fear the police. The criminal does not fear the courts. The criminal must learn to fear the victim. That is the only way I can see us solving this issue of crime. To deter the individuals. Knowing, oh, my G-d, if I do this, I might get my head blown off. Evan Nappen 40:56 So, you’re right, and that brings us to the GOFU. The GOFU, of course, is the Gun Owner Fuck Up. We look at mistakes and things to be very concerned about, where others have paid a dear price. And that is important when it comes to self-defense. Because self-defense in the law is known as justification for the use of force. And what a lot of folks don’t realize is that self-defense or justification for the use of force is an affirmative defense. And when something is an affirmative defense in law, it means the burden of proof initially shifts to the defendant. So, if you use force, deadly force, if you use that even though you may say, hey, it was self-defense, the burden of proof is on you to be able to prove that you were reasonable. And that reasonableness of your force gets determined by those 12 people who aren’t smart enough to avoid jury duty. So, you better be very reasonable. And the problem is if you depart from that knowledge where you are essentially guilty until proven innocent, and you better realize that if you pull that trigger, the burden of proof is, under our current laws, on you. Evan Nappen 42:35 Now, that’s not everywhere, believe it or not. In Florida, for example, they have put that burden back on the state initially before they can even proceed with the prosecution. They first have to demonstrate that you were not justified in using force, at least to the degree of making their initial charges. But in New Jersey and most other states, it is still an affirmative defense, where, in essence, you’re guilty until proven innocent. Make sure you know the self-defense laws. Make sure that your fear was reasonable. Make sure it was justified under the laws. Because, if not, you’re going to pay a very steep price. Evan Nappen 43:29 Hey, this is Evan Nappen and Teddy Nappen reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens criminals. They protect criminals from honest citizens. Speaker 2 43:40 Gun Lawyer is a CounterThink Media production. The music used in this broadcast was managed by Cosmo Music, New York, New York. Reach us by emailing Evan@gun.lawyer. The information and opinions in this broadcast do not constitute legal advice. Consult a licensed attorney in your state. Downloadable PDF TranscriptGun Lawyer S5 E289_Transcript About The HostEvan Nappen, Esq.Known as “America's Gun Lawyer,” Evan Nappen is above all a tireless defender of justice. Author of eight bestselling books and countless articles on firearms, knives, and weapons history and the law, a certified Firearms Instructor, and avid weapons collector and historian with a vast collection that spans almost five decades — it's no wonder he's become the trusted, go-to expert for local, industry and national media outlets. 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[Part 2 of 3]*** Content warning: Gun violence, sexual abuse, child sexual abuse, child abuse ***In 1992, a chance discovery by a UPS delivery driver would lead to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives – commonly known as the ATF – launching an investigation into David Koresh's activities at Mount Carmel in Waco, Texas. Upon discovering that Koresh's Branch Davidians were stockpiling illegal weapons, the agency began planning a raid that was also intended to boost their image with the public… but the consequences would be disastrous.---Narration – Anonymous HostResearch & writing – Erin MunroProduction & music – Mike MigasAudio editing – Anthony TelferSign up for Casefile Premium:Apple PremiumSpotify PremiumPatreonFor all credits and sources, please visit https://casefilepodcast.com/case-339-waco-part-2-3 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The 1993 Waco siege unfolded as a 51-day confrontation between federal authorities and the Branch Davidians, beginning with a failed ATF raid on February 28 and escalating into a full FBI-controlled standoff at the Mount Carmel compound. This podcast frames the event not as a simple law enforcement action, but as a deliberate and aggressive operation that intensified over time, involving armored vehicles, psychological pressure, and ultimately a decision to force an end through tear gas insertion. On April 19, that plan was executed, and within hours the compound was engulfed in flames, leaving more than 70 people dead, including women and children. While official accounts have long maintained that the fire was started by those inside, critics and alternative investigations argue that the tactics used—particularly the use of gas and the manner of the assault—played a direct role in the outcome. The result is an event that remains deeply disputed, with competing narratives over responsibility, use of force, and decision-making at the highest levels, ensuring that Waco is still viewed not as a closed case, but as a defining moment in the debate over government authority and accountabilityEmail: thefacthunter@mail.comWebsite: foundationsinfaith.net

www.patreon.com/theconspiracypodcastIn 1993, on a patch of quiet Texas land outside Waco, a man who called himself the final prophet of God was preparing for the end of the world.Before the fire. Before the tanks. Before the siege became a symbol.David Koresh — born Vernon Wayne Howell — rose from obscurity to lead a small apocalyptic sect known as the Branch Davidians. Charismatic, intense, and obsessed with the Book of Revelation, Koresh convinced his followers that he alone could unlock the Seven Seals and usher in the final days. Inside the Mount Carmel compound, he claimed divine authority — not just spiritually, but personally.He took “spiritual wives.” Married couples were separated. Teenage girls were reassigned to him under the belief they were helping fulfill prophecy. Former members would later allege sexual relationships with underage girls, all justified through scripture. Parents inside the group believed they were obeying God.Meanwhile, federal agents were watching.An ATF investigation into alleged illegal weapons modifications was building. An undercover agent infiltrated the compound. A newspaper exposé titled “The Sinful Messiah” hit the stands. And on February 28, 1993, 76 federal agents rolled toward Mount Carmel in cattle trailers, expecting to serve a warrant.Within minutes, gunfire erupted.Four ATF agents would be dead. Six Davidians would die that morning. And what was meant to be a single-day operation would spiral into something far larger.In Part One, we lay the groundwork — the rise of Koresh, the psychology inside the compound, the warnings that were ignored, and the raid that changed everything.The siege has only just begun.

  You likely know the word Waco, but what do you think when I say the name Gary Noesner? Well, Gary was there during Waco and many other incidents throughout his decades long career in the FBI. Today on the Crisis Cop podcast you're going to learn more about Gary Noesner. Be sure to Like Subscribe and Share this episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast on The 2GuysTalking Podcast Network via WhatCopsWatch.Com...   The Crisis Cop Podcast Podcast Links Bar:  Connect with The Host!     Subscribe to This Podcast Now!   This program is one of the many parts of The WhatCopsWatch.Com Effort! Rate this podcast on Apple Podcasts. the Ultimate success for every podcaster is FEEDBACK! Not an Apple Podcasts user? No problem! 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We are proud to provide you both a dedicated AUDIO and VIDEO presentation for this program! To Listen Now: Hit the play button in the player on this page or hit the Subscribe button on your favorite Podcast Directory to instantly get these episodes when they release! To Watch Now: Visit this program on YouTube, or hit the window located below to see the hosts, guests and light bulb moments that make this program special! https://youtu.be/2LgI3OosOdw?si=2-huzk1Bbev-pBAm The Detailed Shownotes for This Episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast: Looking for the detailed links, information and references used inside this episode? Read on below to find them all and remember to reach out to ask if there's something else you'd like to see from this episode!   Timestamps for This Episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast: 00:00 FBI Negotiator's Extensive 30-Year Career 03:15 Origins of FBI Negotiation Training 08:26 "Lessons from Hostage Negotiations" 10:32 "Waco: Negotiation Success and Challenges" 13:34 "Conflicting Strategies in Negotiations" 17:37 "Tragedy and Blame on Koresh" 21:15 Development of the HOBAS Data System 28:04 Team Collaboration Enhances Negotiation Success 33:18 "Former FBI Agent Shares Story" 34:11 "Journey of Writing and Editing" 40:04 Formation of National Negotiation Collective 42:03 Guidelines for Viable Negotiation Programs 46:07 July 4th, Beeper, and Crisis 50:25 "Empathy and Connection in Negotiation" 52:32 "Expert Insights on Negotiation Strategies" 55:05 Advocating for Negotiation-Driven Solutions 58:10 "Reflecting on Negotiations and Saving Lives"   Questions Answered Inside This Episode of Cops and Robbers Talk: Gary Noesner - Crisis Negotiator describes “stalling for time” as a core negotiation strategy. What are the potential advantages and disadvantages of this approach in high-stakes crisis situations? The episode covers some common misconceptions about the Waco incident. Based on Gary Noesner - Crisis Negotiator's perspective, how do media narratives shape public understanding of law enforcement actions during major crises? Negotiations are often described as a team effort, contrary to Hollywood portrayals of lone negotiators. What are the key roles on a negotiation team, and how do they contribute to successful outcomes? Gary Noesner - Crisis Negotiator emphasizes the importance of “active listening” skills. Why do you think active listening became such a transformative practice in crisis negotiation, and can you think of examples outside law enforcement where these skills are essential? The episode discusses how organizational leadership can sometimes be at odds with negotiation teams during incidents like Waco. What are some strategies negotiators can use to gain and maintain the trust of incident commanders? Reflecting on the aftermath of Waco, what lessons were learned that changed FBI and police procedures in crisis negotiations going forward? Are these changes still relevant today? The HOBA system was developed to gather statistics on negotiation situations. How can data collection and analysis improve future crisis negotiation tactics and outcomes? Gary Noesner - Crisis Negotiator argues that “negotiations never fail.” Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not? What advice from Gary Noesner - Crisis Negotiator's career do you think is most applicable for someone just starting out in crisis negotiation or any other high-pressure communications field? The episode touches on the international and national collaboration between negotiators (Gary Noesner - Crisis Negotiator mentions NCNA and international working groups). How important is collaboration across departments, regions, or countries in building stronger crisis negotiation practices?   Links from this Episode: -- Get All of Pat's Books via Amazon Now!    - Crisis Cops: The Evolution of Crisis Negotiation in America      - Crisis Cop 2: More Stories from the Front Lines of Crisis Negotiation      - Calming the Chaos: My Life as a Crisis Negotiator in the St. Louis Area 2GuysTalking Podcast Network Link to the Network's homepage to provide listeners with more background. 2GuysTalking Podcast Network Guest Introduction: Gary Noesner Discover Gary's decades-long FBI career and role in major incidents like Waco. More info: Gary Noesner's Official Site Gary Noesner's Book: “Stalling for Time” Real stories and negotiation lessons from his FBI career. Find the book: Stalling for Time on Amazon Waco Insight Gary's perspective on the negotiation at Waco and unraveling the truth behind common misconceptions. Reference: Waco: The Series on Paramount HOBAS System The Hostage Barricade Database System developed after Waco, tracking negotiation statistics. Learn more: FBI HOBAS Overview Active Listening Skills in Negotiation Why active listening became the centerpiece of FBI training, thanks to Gary's influence. Training resource: Active Listening Skills in Law Enforcement The National Council of Negotiation Associations (NCNA) National guidelines and best practices for negotiation teams, co-founded by Gary. Details: NCNA Official Guidelines Icons of Influence New video series with Gary, Jack Cambria, and Andy Prisco, sharing negotiation wisdom. Watch: Jumpstart Mastery - Icons of Influence Radio and Television News Directors Association Guidelines Best practices for news media at crisis scenes. Find the guidelines: RTNDA Codes of Ethics VoiceFarmers Voiceover Academy Voiceover training and services, as featured in the episode. Learn more: VoiceFarmers.com BlueBaggersProject.com – Roleplaying for Crisis Training Help train crisis negotiators by joining the Blue Baggers Project. Support and info: BlueBaggersProject.com Perpetual Advertising How podcast advertising offers replayability and long-term impact. Get details: Two Guys Talking - Perpetual Advertising   Be sure to Like, Subscribe & Share Everywhere!   ==== Connect with Pat Doering - The Crisis Cop Today! — Pat Doering on Facebook — Pat Doering on LinkedIn — Pat Doering on Instagram — Crisis Cop on the Web -- Crisis Cop on YouTube   ==== Help Us Tell People About 10+ Years of WhatCopsWatch.Com: On the Web: https://whatcopswatch.com/ At Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast.... At Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2VV1HL9.... On Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/b46.... On Facebook: / whatcopswatch     Calls to the Audience Inside this Episode: — Did you know that it ALL STARTED with John & Al's Sporting Goods? What was your favorite light bulb moment that YOU discovered in this episode? Tell us Your Perspective About This Episode Now!   Be an Advertiser/Sponsor for This Program!   Tell us what you think! It's never too late to be an advertiser in this podcast, thanks to Perpetual Advertising! Contact CrisisCop.Com now and learn more about why podcasting allows your advertising dollar to live across millions of future listeners – FOREVER!   Tell Us What You Think About The Crisis Cop Podcast: Tell us what you think and we'll use your comments in a future ALL-FAN-INPUT Episode! Educating the public is what we've based all of our programming on and we're eager to connect with others who are doing it! Know about another podcast , YouTuber or other media generator making a difference in the way of perspective when it comes to law enforcement? Tell us about them now and we'll link to them and have them on a future episode of CrisisCop.Com!   The Host of this Program: Pat Doering Pat Doering began his career as a police officer in 1996 and has served as a Police Hostage Negotiator since 2004. He has received formal negotiation training from the FBI, the London Metropolitan Police (Scotland Yard), and the Negotiation Program at Harvard University. As a graduate of the FBI National Academy (Class 248),

  You likely know the word Waco, but what do you think when I say the name Gary Noesner? Well, Gary was there during Waco and many other incidents throughout his decades long career in the FBI. Today on the Crisis Cop podcast you're going to learn more about Gary Noesner. Be sure to Like Subscribe and Share this episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast on The 2GuysTalking Podcast Network via WhatCopsWatch.Com...   The Crisis Cop Podcast Podcast Links Bar:  Connect with The Host!     Subscribe to This Podcast Now!   This program is one of the many parts of The WhatCopsWatch.Com Effort! Rate this podcast on Apple Podcasts. the Ultimate success for every podcaster is FEEDBACK! Not an Apple Podcasts user? No problem! Be sure to cherck out any of the other many growing podcast directories online to find this and many other podcasts on The 2GuysTalking Podcast Network!   Housekeeping -- The Editor Corps - Make Your Podcast Soar: There's only one question to ask: Why are YOU still editing your podcast? Reclaim the time you spend on editing (easily at least twice the time you spend on capturing the program) to make more great content by enlisting "The Editor Corps" who will "Make Your Podcast Soar!" http://EditorCorps.Com -- The Voice Farm: Fred Wilkerson, Mike's Father that died in the first few days of 2018, always dreamed of a place that those interested in Voiceover could go to learn more about the industry and experience - without all the BS that goes with it. We build it four and a half years go and it continues to provide new voiceover artists and businesses looking for voiceover talent a place to go and secure great voiceover artists. http://VoiceFarmers.Com   Two Great Ways to Listen/Watch! We are proud to provide you both a dedicated AUDIO and VIDEO presentation for this program! To Listen Now: Hit the play button in the player on this page or hit the Subscribe button on your favorite Podcast Directory to instantly get these episodes when they release! To Watch Now: Visit this program on YouTube, or hit the window located below to see the hosts, guests and light bulb moments that make this program special! https://youtu.be/2LgI3OosOdw?si=2-huzk1Bbev-pBAm The Detailed Shownotes for This Episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast: Looking for the detailed links, information and references used inside this episode? Read on below to find them all and remember to reach out to ask if there's something else you'd like to see from this episode!   Timestamps for This Episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast: 00:00 FBI Negotiator's Extensive 30-Year Career 03:15 Origins of FBI Negotiation Training 08:26 "Lessons from Hostage Negotiations" 10:32 "Waco: Negotiation Success and Challenges" 13:34 "Conflicting Strategies in Negotiations" 17:37 "Tragedy and Blame on Koresh" 21:15 Development of the HOBAS Data System 28:04 Team Collaboration Enhances Negotiation Success 33:18 "Former FBI Agent Shares Story" 34:11 "Journey of Writing and Editing" 40:04 Formation of National Negotiation Collective 42:03 Guidelines for Viable Negotiation Programs 46:07 July 4th, Beeper, and Crisis 50:25 "Empathy and Connection in Negotiation" 52:32 "Expert Insights on Negotiation Strategies" 55:05 Advocating for Negotiation-Driven Solutions 58:10 "Reflecting on Negotiations and Saving Lives"   Questions Answered Inside This Episode of Cops and Robbers Talk: Gary Noesner - Crisis Negotiator describes “stalling for time” as a core negotiation strategy. What are the potential advantages and disadvantages of this approach in high-stakes crisis situations? The episode covers some common misconceptions about the Waco incident. Based on Gary Noesner - Crisis Negotiator's perspective, how do media narratives shape public understanding of law enforcement actions during major crises? Negotiations are often described as a team effort, contrary to Hollywood portrayals of lone negotiators. What are the key roles on a negotiation team, and how do they contribute to successful outcomes? Gary Noesner - Crisis Negotiator emphasizes the importance of “active listening” skills. Why do you think active listening became such a transformative practice in crisis negotiation, and can you think of examples outside law enforcement where these skills are essential? The episode discusses how organizational leadership can sometimes be at odds with negotiation teams during incidents like Waco. What are some strategies negotiators can use to gain and maintain the trust of incident commanders? Reflecting on the aftermath of Waco, what lessons were learned that changed FBI and police procedures in crisis negotiations going forward? Are these changes still relevant today? The HOBA system was developed to gather statistics on negotiation situations. How can data collection and analysis improve future crisis negotiation tactics and outcomes? Gary Noesner - Crisis Negotiator argues that “negotiations never fail.” Do you agree with this statement? Why or why not? What advice from Gary Noesner - Crisis Negotiator's career do you think is most applicable for someone just starting out in crisis negotiation or any other high-pressure communications field? The episode touches on the international and national collaboration between negotiators (Gary Noesner - Crisis Negotiator mentions NCNA and international working groups). How important is collaboration across departments, regions, or countries in building stronger crisis negotiation practices?   Links from this Episode: -- Get All of Pat's Books via Amazon Now!    - Crisis Cops: The Evolution of Crisis Negotiation in America      - Crisis Cop 2: More Stories from the Front Lines of Crisis Negotiation      - Calming the Chaos: My Life as a Crisis Negotiator in the St. Louis Area 2GuysTalking Podcast Network Link to the Network's homepage to provide listeners with more background. 2GuysTalking Podcast Network Guest Introduction: Gary Noesner Discover Gary's decades-long FBI career and role in major incidents like Waco. More info: Gary Noesner's Official Site Gary Noesner's Book: “Stalling for Time” Real stories and negotiation lessons from his FBI career. Find the book: Stalling for Time on Amazon Waco Insight Gary's perspective on the negotiation at Waco and unraveling the truth behind common misconceptions. Reference: Waco: The Series on Paramount HOBAS System The Hostage Barricade Database System developed after Waco, tracking negotiation statistics. Learn more: FBI HOBAS Overview Active Listening Skills in Negotiation Why active listening became the centerpiece of FBI training, thanks to Gary's influence. Training resource: Active Listening Skills in Law Enforcement The National Council of Negotiation Associations (NCNA) National guidelines and best practices for negotiation teams, co-founded by Gary. Details: NCNA Official Guidelines Icons of Influence New video series with Gary, Jack Cambria, and Andy Prisco, sharing negotiation wisdom. Watch: Jumpstart Mastery - Icons of Influence Radio and Television News Directors Association Guidelines Best practices for news media at crisis scenes. Find the guidelines: RTNDA Codes of Ethics VoiceFarmers Voiceover Academy Voiceover training and services, as featured in the episode. Learn more: VoiceFarmers.com BlueBaggersProject.com – Roleplaying for Crisis Training Help train crisis negotiators by joining the Blue Baggers Project. Support and info: BlueBaggersProject.com Perpetual Advertising How podcast advertising offers replayability and long-term impact. Get details: Two Guys Talking - Perpetual Advertising   Be sure to Like, Subscribe & Share Everywhere!   ==== Connect with Pat Doering - The Crisis Cop Today! — Pat Doering on Facebook — Pat Doering on LinkedIn — Pat Doering on Instagram — Crisis Cop on the Web -- Crisis Cop on YouTube   ==== Help Us Tell People About 10+ Years of WhatCopsWatch.Com: On the Web: https://whatcopswatch.com/ At Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast.... At Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2VV1HL9.... On Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/b46.... On Facebook: / whatcopswatch     Calls to the Audience Inside this Episode: — Did you know that it ALL STARTED with John & Al's Sporting Goods? What was your favorite light bulb moment that YOU discovered in this episode? Tell us Your Perspective About This Episode Now!   Be an Advertiser/Sponsor for This Program!   Tell us what you think! It's never too late to be an advertiser in this podcast, thanks to Perpetual Advertising! Contact CrisisCop.Com now and learn more about why podcasting allows your advertising dollar to live across millions of future listeners – FOREVER!   Tell Us What You Think About The Crisis Cop Podcast: Tell us what you think and we'll use your comments in a future ALL-FAN-INPUT Episode! Educating the public is what we've based all of our programming on and we're eager to connect with others who are doing it! Know about another podcast , YouTuber or other media generator making a difference in the way of perspective when it comes to law enforcement? Tell us about them now and we'll link to them and have them on a future episode of CrisisCop.Com!   The Host of this Program: Pat Doering Pat Doering began his career as a police officer in 1996 and has served as a Police Hostage Negotiator since 2004. He has received formal negotiation training from the FBI, the London Metropolitan Police (Scotland Yard), and the Negotiation Program at Harvard University. As a graduate of the FBI National Academy (Class 248),

The basis of the celebrated Paramount Network miniseries starring Michael Shannon and Taylor Kitsch -- Waco is the critically-acclaimed, first person account of the siege by Branch Davidian survivor, David Thibodeau.Twenty-five years ago, the FBI staged a deadly raid on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco. Texas. David Thibodeau survived to tell the story. When he first met the man who called himself David Koresh, David Thibodeau was a drummer in a local a rock band. Though he had never been religious in the slightest, Thibodeau gradually became a follower and moved to the Branch Davidian compound in Waco. He remained there until April 19, 1993, when the compound was stormed and burned to the ground after a 51-day standoff with government authorities.In this compelling account -- now with an updated epilogue that revisits remaining survivors--Thibodeau explores why so many people came to believe that Koresh was divinely inspired. We meet the men, women, and children of Mt. Carmel. We get inside the day-to-day life of the community. We also understand Thibodeau's brutally honest assessment of the United States government's actions. The result is a memoir that reads like a thriller, with each page taking us closer to the eventual inferno.https://amzn.to/42UuycPBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-opperman-report--1198501/support.

Nel 1993, in una remota comunità vicino a Waco, Texas, un gruppo religioso guidato dal carismatico e controverso David Koresh si prepara all'Apocalisse. Le autorità federali sospettano un traffico illegale di armi e lanciano un'operazione per arrestare Koresh. Quello che inizia come un blitz diventa presto un assedio lungo 51 giorni: colpi di arma da fuoco, negoziati disperati, pressioni psicologiche e, infine, l'assalto finale dell'FBI. Il 19 aprile, un incendio divampa nel complesso fortificato dei Davidiani. Quando le fiamme si spengono, 76 persone giacciono senza vita, tra cui donne e bambini. L'assedio di Waco rimane una ferita aperta nella storia americana, simbolo di conflitto tra fede, fanatismo e potere governativo.

Praises or critics can be send here! Also if there's anything you wish to hear about please send your requests here!Patch 11.2 "Ghosts of Koresh" takes us to the shattered homeworld of the Ethereals where we must prevent the return of the Void Lord Demencius who threatens to consume Azeroth. This cosmic journey introduces new systems, a new raid, and continues The War Within's story while setting the stage for the next expansion.• BFA Timewalking and Delves are the current bonus events• Classic Ashran brawl removes reinforcements, victory only through boss defeat• Patch 11.2 continues The War Within campaign on the Ethereal homeworld of Koresh• Demencius is a Void Lord who destroyed the Ethereals' planet and now threatens Azeroth• Tazavesh returns as a player hub protected by energy shields• New Reshi Wraps artifact allows transformation into ethereal energy form• Phase diving lets players experience new aspects of Koresh through ethereal form• Ecological Succession system helps Venari restore life to eco-domes• New raid Mana Forge Omega features 8 bosses culminating with Demencius• The Soul Hunters optional encounter hints at possible third demon hunter spec• Season 3 introduces hero talent-based tier sets instead of class-based sets• Vanquisher's Wake Island added as a new world PvP locationThe podcast will be moving to a weekly schedule, releasing on Fridays. Follow me on Twitter/X for updates on episodes, check out my arena gameplay on TikTok, and watch live streams on YouTube.Hope you all enjoy and hope you relate to any of these stories. And I will speak to you all in the next episode!Want some 3D printed Merch, find it here!https://pigandwhistletales.etsy.comSupport the show here:https://www.buzzsprout.com/1196870/supportpatreon.com/Pigandwhistlehttps://www.buymeacoffee.com/PigandWhistleSocials :Twitch : https://www.twitch.tv/pigandwhistletalesYoutube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAOi6rHO3x90lOmmb82Jv1wWebsite : https://www.pigandwhistletales.com/Instagram : https://www.instagram.com/pigandwhistletales/Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/PigAndWhistleTalesTry out Buzzsprout yourself! https://www.buzzsprout.com/?referrer_id=1154066Listen to the podcast on other platforms:https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/pig-whistle-tales-from-azeroth-gabriel-nsa902LrQVw/https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/pig-whistle-tales-from-azeroth-1315927https://open.spotify.com/show/5ZTkLtQvRSm4PStUfZquWkhttps://podcastaddict.com/podcast/3032607The Music at the start is from Tony CatThe Gaming BlenderWe mash genres. We pitch games. You question our sanity.Listen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the showSupport the show here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1196870/support patreon.com/Pigandwhistle https://www.buymeacoffee.com/PigandWhistle

Hate American Made  //////  The Prophet Part 3 of 6 www.TrueCrimeGarage.com In 1983 David Koresh formally Vernon Wayne Howell claimed to possess the power of prophecy. This would spearhead his accent to leadership of a Texas religious group known as the Branch Davidians. The Branch Davidians were a splinter group of the Davidian Seventh Day Adventists. Koresh prophesied that his martyrdom would take place in the United States.  Thanks for listening, thanks for telling a friend. 

What Happened to the News Reporting, Plus ATF Raid In Waco and More? Parole Board Bombshell, and the State of Journalism. What happened to investigative journalism? That's a question that continues to resonate as modern newsrooms struggle under financial constraints and shifting priorities. Legendary investigative journalist Robert Riggs believes this critical form of journalism is fading fast in the U.S. His thoughts on this topic, paired with his groundbreaking coverage of the 1993 ATF raid in Waco and the corruption scandal involving the Texas Parole Board, highlight how far news reporting has evolved—and why it matters. Check out and follow the Law Enforcement Talk Radio Show and Podcast on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, Newsbreak, Medium and most all social media platforms.    Robert Riggs a semi-retired Investigative Journalist and host of the True Crime Reporter® Podcast is our guest. Listen to the interview with Robert as a free podcast on the Law Enforcement Talk Radio Show website, also available on Apple, Spotify and most major podcast platforms. The Decline of Investigative Journalism   Investigative journalism, often called "watchdog reporting," requires time, resources, and a commitment to exposing wrongdoing. Unfortunately, the financial realities of today's media landscape have made this increasingly rare. Riggs points to the rise of legal fears and the preference for sensational opinion pieces as the death knell for many American news outlets' investigative efforts.  Traditionally spearheaded by newspapers and freelancers, investigative work is expensive and time-consuming. With the decline in advertising revenue, many outlets have cut back, leaving only nonprofit organizations like ProPublica or international collaborations (e.g., the Panama Papers) to fill the gap. This lack of funding has diminished the public's access to deeply researched, fact-based stories. What Happened to the News Reporting? Look for more stories about this in platforms like Medium and Newsbreak. Riggs on the ATF Raid in Waco: A Journalist's Perspective   Few events showcase the power of investigative journalism better than the 1993 ATF raid on the Branch Davidian compound near Waco, Texas. Robert Riggs was on the ground, covering the harrowing 51-day siege that ended in tragedy with a fiery explosion and the deaths of nearly 80 people, including 22 children.   The raid began on February 28, 1993, when 70 agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) attempted to serve search and arrest warrants. They were met with gunfire from inside the compound, reportedly involving illegal machine guns. The resulting two-hour gun battle left four federal agents and six Davidians dead, with many others wounded.  The interview with here is available as a free podcast on the Law Enforcement Talk Radio Show, which is available as a free podcast on their website on platforms like Apple, Spotify and most major podcast platforms. The cult's leader, David Koresh, claimed to be the spiritual heir to King David and preached apocalyptic visions based on the Book of Revelation. As Riggs reported during the siege, the buildup of weapons and Koresh's radical teachings created a volatile situation that drew national attention. Riggs' coverage stood out for its depth, earning him accolades and cementing his reputation as one of journalism's finest.  What Happened to the News Reporting, Plus ATF Raid In Waco and More? Keep informed by following the Law Enforcement Talk Radio Show on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, MeWe, Pinterest, Newsbreak, Medium and other social media platforms. Exposing the Parole Board Bombshell   Investigative journalism's importance is further exemplified in Riggs' exposé of corruption within the Texas Parole Board. His reporting uncovered a shocking process where favors—including luxury cars for board members—facilitated the release of dangerous criminals like Kenneth McDuff.   McDuff, a former death row inmate, was paroled under a cloud of corruption. Riggs revealed how this system jeopardized public safety, ultimately prompting reforms in Texas' parole system. Riggs' tenacity earned him the George Foster Peabody Award for investigative reporting and national recognition for his fearless pursuit of truth. The interview is available as a free podcast on the Law Enforcement Talk Radio Show, which is available as a free podcast on their website on platforms like Apple, Spotify and most major podcast platforms.    Why Podcasts Are Filling the Gap   In an era where traditional journalism is struggling, platforms like "True Crime Reporter® Podcast" and the Law Enforcement Talk Radio Show and Podcas are stepping in to provide audiences with detailed, immersive storytelling. What Happened to the News Reporting? Social media outlets like Facebook and Instagram also amplify the story, bringing it to a new generation.  The rise of podcasts as a medium reflects the public's hunger for authentic, in-depth reporting. Recognized with a Webby Award for Best True Crime Podcast, Riggs' work demonstrates that while traditional investigative journalism may be waning, its principles can thrive in new formats.  Platforms like the Law Enforcement Talk Radio Show and Podcast website, Apple Podcasts and Spotify make these stories more accessible, allowing listeners to become informed and vigilant.  How Big Tech Platforms Are Changing the Media Landscape   Platforms like Facebook, Instagram, Apple, and Spotify are reshaping how people consume news and entertainment. For Riggs, this shift presents both challenges and opportunities. While these platforms offer unprecedented reach for podcasts and independent creators, they also contribute to the decline of traditional outlets by monopolizing advertising revenue.   Social media algorithms prioritize engagement over accuracy, amplifying sensationalism and misinformation. 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Suspecting the group of stockpiling illegal weapons, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms obtained a search warrant for the compound and arrest warrants for Koresh and several of the group's members. Starting on February 28th 1993 The Branch Davidians, led by David Koresh, were prepared to stay put at their Mount Carmel Center ranch while the U.S. federal government and Texas state law enforcement officials started a siege of the compound that lasted 51 days and ended on April 19, 1993.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The basis of the celebrated Paramount Network miniseries starring Michael Shannon and Taylor Kitsch--Waco is the critically-acclaimed, first person account of the siege by Branch Davidian survivor, David Thibodeau.Twenty-five years ago, the FBI staged a deadly raid on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco. Texas. David Thibodeau survived to tell the story.When he first met the man who called himself David Koresh, David Thibodeau was a drummer in a local a rock band. Though he had never been religious in the slightest, Thibodeau gradually became a follower and moved to the Branch Davidian compound in Waco. He remained there until April 19, 1993, when the compound was stormed and burned to the ground after a 51-day standoff with government authorities.In this compelling account--now with an updated epilogue that revisits remaining survivors--Thibodeau explores why so many people came to believe that Koresh was divinely inspired. We meet the men, women, and children of Mt. Carmel. We get inside the day-to-day life of the community. We also understand Thibodeau's brutally honest assessment of the United States government's actions. The result is a memoir that reads like a thriller, with each page taking us closer to the eventual inferno.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-opperman-report--1198501/support.

On this episode, Allison Yates and Fernanda Wetzel come on to talk about their organization, Read and Run Chicago, a book and run club that features specific books with coordinated runs in Chicago. They describe how accessible their organization is, open to anyone who might be interested in participating, and we get to talk about some incredible books that feature information and stories that open and affirm experiences that have been historically ignored.    Read and Run Chicago Fall Event Calendar  Allison's Small Pack Camping Chair  Italic Type book tracking    Books mentioned in this episode:    What Betsy's reading:  Vampires of El Norte by Isabel Cañas  Koresh by Stephan Talty  The Stranger Upstairs by Lisa M. Matlin   Books Highlighted by Allison and Fernanda:  The Alice Network by Kate Quinn The Change by Kirsten Miller The Midnight Library by Matt Haig  A Little Life by Hanya Yanagihara  The Idea of You by Robinne Lee Our Missing Hearts by Celeste Ng  Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge, and the Teaching of Plants by Robin Wall Kimmerer  Wordslut: A Feminist Guide to Taking Back the English Language by Amanda Montell Invisible Women: Data Bias in a World Designed for Men by Caroline Criado Perez Girl, Woman, Other by Bernardine Evaristo  Last Night at the Telegraph Club by Malinda Lo The Great Believers by Rebecca Makkai  Homegoing by Yaa Gyasi Letters from Cuba by Ruth Behar  The Push by Ashley Audrain   Other Books Mentioned in the Episode: All books available on my Bookshop.org episode page.   Temper by Layne Fargo  The Women by Kristin Hannah  Lady Tan's Circle of Women by Lisa See  Come as You Are: The Surprising New Science that will Transform Your Sex Life by Emily Nagoski The Hundred Year House by Rebecca Makkai  Fieldwork: A Forager's Memoir by Iliana Regan  All the Light We Cannot See by Anthony Doerr Yellowface by R.F. Kuang  Erasure by Percival Everett  I Am Not Your Perfect Mexican Daughter by Erika L. Sánchez 

Today on part two of our coverage of the Hollow Earth, we dive into the legends, lore, and beliefs involving the subject. We will dive into the more incredible stories involving the topic of Hollow Earth such as the Cult of Koresh, and The Shaver Mystery as well as briefly touching on some of the more historic references from cultures around the world and throughout time. Welcome back to Infinite Rabbit Hole! InfiniteRabbitHole.com

Welcome to the Instant Trivia podcast episode 1216, where we ask the best trivia on the Internet. Round 1. Category: Ends In Oo. With Oo in quotation marks 1: Members of this Algonquian-speaking tribe live in Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and Mexico, but not in Dogpatch. the Kickapoo. 2: Necromancy, Haitian-style. Voodoo. 3: It's sometimes a quadruped, but to move quickly it becomes a biped and leaps. a kangaroo. 4: Also. too. 5: Eskimo condo. an igloo. Round 2. Category: I Know Ur 1: Ur is dominated by one of these stepped, pyramidal temple towers dating from the 3rd millennium B.C.. a ziggurat. 2: The first major excavations of Ur were made after WWI by H.R. Hall of this London institution. the British Museum. 3: One of the last kings to build at Ur was this "great" Persian, also called Koresh. Cyrus. 4: Now called Tall al-Muqayyar, modern Ur is about 10 miles from Nasiriyah in this troubled Mideast country. Iraq. 5: Founded in the 4th millennium B.C., Ur was a capital city of this oldest Mesopotamian civilization. Sumeria. Round 3. Category: To And Fro. With To" And "Fro in quotation marks 1: This injury from low temperatures can lead to gangrene. frostbite. 2: You'll hear this when someone scores a hit in fencing. touché. 3: It's "An Irish Lullaby" me mother sang to me in Killarney. "Too-Ra-Loo-Ra-Loo-Ral". 4: Colloquial 5-letter title for a first-year college student. frosh. 5: Mais oui, it's French for "cheese". fromage. Round 4. Category: Arts 1: The full title of this modernist Stravinsky ballet includes "Pictures from Pagan Russia in Two Parts". The Rite of Spring. 2: Drummer Art Blakey was a real heavy cat in this style of music that preceded "Messengers" in his band's name. jazz. 3: Arthur Burns battled inflation as the chairman of this economic body from 1970 to 1978. The Fed (the Federal Reserve). 4: This architect fell in love with the Arizona desert and built Taliesin West, his winter home, in Scottsdale. Frank Lloyd Wright. 5: He attended UCLA on a tennis scholarship and in 1965 won the U.S. collegiate men's singles title. Arthur Ashe. Round 5. Category: The Songs Of Max Martin 1: "and Juliet" imagines the Shakespeare story had the heroine lived and here she is performing this song, Britney Spears' first hit"I must confess, that my loneliness is killing me now...". "...Baby One More Time". 2: Juliet stops the show with "Roar", a 2013 hit from this artist"I got the eye of the tiger, a fighter / Dancing through the fire / 'Cause I am a...". Katy Perry. 3: Shakespeare's wife Anne Hathaway performs "That's The Way It Is", a Top 10 hit for this chanteuse in 2000"Don't give up on your faith / Love comes to those who believe it". Celine Dion. 4: The first musical number in "and Juliet" has William Shakespeare performing this Backstreet Boys song"All you people can't you see, can't you see / How your love's affecting our reality". "Larger Than Life". 5: The finale of "and Juliet" features the cast performing this Justin Timberlake hit"Come on / All those things I shouldn't do / But you dance, dance, dance /And ain't nobody leavin' soon, so keep dancin'". "Can't Stop The Feeling!". Thanks for listening! Come back tomorrow for more exciting trivia!Special thanks to https://blog.feedspot.com/trivia_podcasts/ AI Voices used

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YAH affirms His role in calling and appointing Koresh, the Persian king, to execute His purposes. The end-time Koresh figure emerges in the Western nations to fulfill the eschatological prophecy.

YAH affirms His role in calling and appointing Koresh, the Persian king, to execute His purposes. The end-time Koresh figure emerges in the Western nations to fulfill the eschatological prophecy.

(3213) Fall of King Sancheirev of Ashur (3228) Delegation from Babylon visits King Chizkiyahu, at the behest of Berodach Baladan (3316) King Yoshiyahu. (3319) Rise of Nevuchnezzer and Babylonian Empire, conquered Ashur. (3320) Nevuchnezzer conquers Israel. (3321) Yirmiyahu gives the official prophecy. (3327) Golus Cheresh VeHamsger. Exile of King Yechonyah (and Mordechai). (3338) Destruction of the Beis Hamikdash by Nevuchnezzer. (3364) King Evil Merodach becomes King of Babylon. (3386) King Belshazzar becomes King of Babylon. (3389) Belshatzar, calculated 70 years (45 + 23 + 2) from the Rise of his grandfather Nevuchnezzer in the year (3319), makes a feast. End of Babylonian Empire. (3390) Daniel makes a calculation of 70 years, then recalculates. (3391) Koresh calculation of 70 years. Orders rebuilding of Beis Hamikdash. (3392) Achashverosh becomes King of the Persian Empire. (3395) Achashverosh's party and his calculation of 70 years. (3408) 70 years from destruction. Rebuilding of Beis Hamikdash by Daryovesh II son of King Achashverosh and Queen Esther. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/torah-heroes/support

From 1999: David Thibodeau was born and raised in Bangor, Maine while spending a few years in South Portland. He is a survivor of the tragedy that unfolded at Mount Carmel near Waco, Texas 27 years ago. In February 1993, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms raided David Koresh's Branch Davidian home, a small religious community, triggering a drawn-out gun battle that resulted in many lost lives. After a 51-day standoff, the conflict ends when an FBI assault leads to a fire that engulfs the Branch Davidian home, killing 76 people, most of which were Thibodeau's friends and people he considers family. A Place Called Waco: A Survivor's Story is a book Thibodeau wrote in 1999 about his experience at Mount Carmel. David Thibodeau's book was noticed by John Dowdle who made it into Paramount Network's six-part miniseries about the events that took place between February 28th and April 19th, 1993. The six-part scripted series "Waco" dramatizes one of the most misunderstood stories in American history. David has lived in Los Angeles, Austin, Waco and Maine. Thibodeau enjoys playing the drums and has been in many bands, including Why Am I, Lefty, Phatt Sally, Dakota, Sideways, and the Blast Addicts. He also recorded two original CD's, one of which was with the band Lefty and the other with The Blast Addicts. He continues to spread the shocking truth about what happened at Mount Carmel. David is frequently featured on Podcasts, documentaries and TV shows but he really likes to give talks for live audiences that come from all over to hear his story. David also loves speaking to High School and College students all over the Country.https://www.wacosurvivors.comWebsite: thefacthunter.comEmail: thefacthunter.comSnail Mail: George HobbsPO Box 109 Goldsboro, MD 21636

Alyssa and Hadley turn their attention to New Mount Carmel Center, an isolated ranch just outside of Waco, Texas where a 51-day standoff between the FBI and the Branch Davidians—a religious cult led by self-proclaimed prophet David Koresh—came to a disastrous end on April 19, 1993, when the group's massive compound burned to the ground with 76 Branch Davidians still inside. Setting out to understand what led to the government's siege of Mount Carmel, the hosts go back to the beginning, reviewing the tumultuous history of the cult and their property. They also examine the harsh living conditions that Koresh's followers were subjected to while living there, and how the compound's rudimentary design and construction played a significant role throughout the conflict. Finally, Alyssa and Hadley uncover what happened to Mount Carmel after the fire, how the remains of the compound became a macabre tourist attraction, and the chilling sounds that visitors and caretakers have reported hearing on the grounds since.  CREDITS Alyssa Fiorentino - Co-host & Producer Hadley Mendelsohn - Co-host & Producer Jessy Caron - Producer & Audio Editor To advertise on the show: https://www.advertisecast.com/DarkHouse or email us at sales@advertisecast.com.  RELATED LINKS ‘Waco: David Koresh, the Branch Davidians, and A Legacy of Rage' by Jeff Guinn: https://amzn.to/3FtvqZL  “The Bizarre History of the Branch Davidian Headquarters in Waco, Texas” House Beautiful (ARTICLE): https://bit.ly/40o8CVb  “The Ghosts of Mount Carmel” (ARTICLE): https://bit.ly/3M9U4m3  “Branch Davidian Compound, Mount Carmel Center” (VIDEO): https://bit.ly/3Q7gBRB  “David Koresh SERMON” (VIDEO): https://bit.ly/45IZL15  “The Sinful Messiah: Read the series” Waco Tribune-Herald (ARTICLE): https://bit.ly/3Mf4lNT  “The hounds of Waco” Salon (ARTICLE): https://bit.ly/497qMyo  “End Of Days” BBC Radio 5 Live (PODCAST): https://bit.ly/409UKNP Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hashem will not destroy Jews despite shortcomings, Babylonian undoing through Koresh

The confident Bavel will be overthrown (by Koresh) and suffer defeat

Derisive speach about avoda zara, l'havdil the distinction between that and Hashem, downfall of Bavel through Koresh (the Mede)

Koresh failed his mission, Hashem vs all else, slaves of Sancherev recognized Hashem's Dominion

This week, we are discussing the tragic demise of filmmaker Allen Ross, who met an untimely death after becoming involved with the Samaritan Foundation, a religious cult situated in Guthrie, Oklahoma.  Stick around for a special guest on Last Thing Before We Go! Thank you to Haley Gray with Haley Gray Research! Thank you to our sponsors! Control Body Odor ANYWHERE with @lumedeodorant and get $5 off off your Starter Pack (that's over 40% off) with promo code MOMS at lumedeodorant.com/MOMS! #lumepod Moms and Mysteries is sponsored by BetterHelp. Let therapy be your map, with BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/MOMS today to get 10% off your first month. New merch! Check out Moms and Mysteries Threadless! You can also get new episodes a day early and ad free, plus merch and more at Patreon.com/momsandmysteriespodcast Listen and subscribe to Melissa's other podcast, Criminality!! It's the podcast for those who love reality TV, true crime, and want to hear all the juicy stories where the two genres intersect. Subscribe and listen here: www.pod.link/criminality  Check-out Moms and Mysteries to find links to our tiktok, youtube, twitter, instagram and more! Make sure you subscribe and rate our show to help others find us! Sources:  Sources: Julia B. Williams v. The State of Wyoming Bishop, Shane and Murphy, Dennis, “Searching for Allen”, Dateline NBC, 2005. Helbig, Jack, “The Allen Ross Mystery…”, Chicago Reader, 2000.  Sutter, Ellie, “Guthrie Link to Koresh…”, The Daily Oklahoman, 1993. Pagley, Carrie, “Film revives interest…”, The Daily Oklahoman, 2000. Aima, Rahel, “Rami George's Videos…”, Art in America, 2020.  Brown, Laura, “A connecting force or form…”, Bomb Magazine, 2020. Brandenburg, John, “CAF plans to…”, The Daily Oklahoman, 1971. Rickey, June, “While Life Goes…”, The Sunday Oklahoman, 1983. N/A, “Woman gets prison…”, Associated Press, 2005. Gruver, Mead, “Woman arrested in 1995 murder”, Associated Press, 2003. Investigation Discovery's Deadly Devotion, Season 1, Episode 2, “The Bad Samaritans” Janega, James, “Burial of filmmaker…”, Chicago Tribune, 2000.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Waco Siege is one of the biggest assaults on American citizens by the United States government in history. 75 people died include 25 children during this FBI raid. To start off this two part series, we first have to discuss who the Branch Davidians are, and how they got involved with David Koresh. The David Koresh story is fascinating: there is sex, guns, and rock and roll. Koresh could not become the leader of the Branch Davidians until he defeated his nemesis, George Roden, which (ironically) included a siege by Koresh and his followers. Thank you for checking out our show! If you like the show please spread the word, leave us 5 stars on iTunes, subscribe to our Rumble channel.-------------------Follow us:Instagram @Con_Men_Podcast,Twitter- @Conmenpodcast1email- conmenpod@gmail.com-------------------Full video episode is on Rumble here https://rumble.com/v2vrq5i-was-skull-and-bones-behind-the-jfk-assassination-75.html--------------Check out the new cooking show on Youtube called MK UltrEATS. .Check it out! Youtube.com/mkultreats-----------------We are also streaming on all podcast platformshttps://linktr.ee/conmenpodcast----------------Subscribe to our Patreon here https://www.patreon.com/conmenpodcast--------------MERCH STORE IS NOW LIVE!!! CHECK IT OUT HERE https://conmenmerch.myshopify.com--------------Check out Adam Hesters Podcast: Skeleton Factory Podcast. You can find it here https://linktr.ee/skeletonfactoryPatreon.com/SkeletonfactoryInstagram: @Skeleton_Factory--------------Special Thanks to Mr. Charles Elliott for allowing us to use his song for the intro. Check out his music here on Spotifyhttps://open.spotify.com/album/79LJ4cbLYlMarMq5YydyrO

The Waco Siege was an insane standoff between the Branch Davidians and the US government.  What started as an attempt to see what was going on inside the infamous compound, turned into a months-long horror story that still has America talking today.  The leader of that cult and the subject of today's show, David Koresh, can rightfully be classified as a monster, but what was it that drew his followers to him?  Was it his insane, ultra-conservative message?  The idea that he was the second coming of God?  Was it that curly head of hair, paired with the pedo glasses?  We'll dive into this and a whole lot more in the David Koresh episode of AHC Podcast.   Want to help the AHC Boys get to Denver?  Any and all help and support is appreciated! https://gofund.me/70060003       Intro Music Credits: [ GUITAR INSTRUMENTAL BEAT ] Sad Rock [FREE USE MUSIC] Punch Deck - I Cant Stop Support Punch Deck: https://soundcloud.com/punch-deck/tracks  / @punchdeck  https://open.spotify.com/artist/7kddu... Minor adjustments made to fit the intro       Citations: BBC. (2009, July 30). Religions - christianity: Seventh-day Adventists. BBC. https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/subdivisions/seventhdayadventist_1.shtml#:~:text=Adventists%20believe%20that%20after%202300,as%20both%20priest%20and%20sacrifice. Colloff, P. (2008, April 1). The fire that time. Texas Monthly. https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/the-fire-that-time/ Colloff, P. (2009, February 1). A mother's words. Texas Monthly. https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/a-mothers-words/ Decker, C. (1993, March 2). Koresh, bright and dark: The bizarre charmer. Los Angeles Times. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-03-02-mn-73-story.html Hochman, S. (1994, April 3). Is the pop world ready for David Koresh?. Los Angeles Times. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-04-03-ca-41504-story.html Howell, J. P. (2012). In Snapshots of great leadership (pp. 262–268). story, Routledge. Lavender, N. (2023, March 14). David Koresh: The messed up story of the famous cult leader. Grunge. https://www.grunge.com/208656/the-messed-up-truth-of-cult-leader-david-koresh/ Public Broadcasting Service. (n.d.). David Koresh | Waco - the inside story | frontline. PBS. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/waco/davidkoresh.html Staff, K. (2023, February 21). “mad man in Waco”: How David Koresh went from aspiring rock star to religious sect leader. https://www.kwtx.com. https://www.kwtx.com/2023/02/21/mad-man-waco-how-david-koresh-went-aspiring-rock-star-religious-sect-leader/ Wikimedia Foundation. (2023, June 14). George Roden. Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=George_Roden&oldid=1160153375 Yeaman, A. (n.d.). The branch davidians | waco history. Waco History. https://wacohistory.org/items/show/176

The boys sit down to interview Dr. James Tabor, an expert on the Waco Tragedy, early Apocalyptic Christianity, and ancient texts. Dr. Tabor was involved in the Waco siege and communicated with the Branch Davidians and their leader, David Koresh, via tapes brought in by Koresh's lawyer during the 51 day standoff. Dr. Tabor discusses the prejudicial nature of the term "cult", breaks down the Branch Davidians apocalyptic belief structure in context of both wider Christianity and 7th Day Adventism, and discusses how different tactics by the FBI could have helped avoid such an immense tragedy. That and much more on this episode of Coast to Coast PM.    Where to find Dr. Tabor:   Website: jamestabor.com  Book: Why Waco? Cults and the Battle for Religious Freedom in America  Youtube: @JamesTaborVideos   Support:  C2CPM's Patreon Twitter: https://twitter.com/c2cpmpod  Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/coasttocoastpm/  Contact: c2cpmpod@gmail.com    Intro Shout-Out:  Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio

"They do not see themselves as martyrs. They see themselves as agents of God's wrath on Earth."In the days leading up to April 19, 1993, high-ranking figures grew increasingly concerned that the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas had no intention of surrendering anytime soon. FBI officials speculated that David Koresh's writing of a manuscript centered around the seven seals was just another delaying tactic, meant to buy him and his supporters additional time.While many cautioned the FBI to continue holding out - to let Koresh see through the writing of this manuscript - others were hesitant to let him have that time. Soon, the government would move forward with a plan to end the Branch Davidian holdout once and for all...Part 7/7Research, writing, hosting, and production by Micheal WhelanLearn more about this podcast at http://unresolved.meIf you would like to support this podcast and others, consider heading to https://www.patreon.com/unresolvedpod to become a Patron or ProducerMusic CreditsSpearfisher - "Memory and Forgetting"Henrik Meierkord - "Falten"Nathan Shubert - "Unspoken"Calismo - "Somber"All other music composed by Micheal Whelan

STEPHAN TALTY, author of KORESH: The True Story of David Koresh and the Tragedy at Waco-In the beginning, David Koresh did try and help people-Then, he turned-David Koresh initiated the siege & welcomed it -The ATF & FBI's mistakes -Koresh split up couples and was the only one who could have sex with womenFascinating recap by Stephan Find his book here 

This year marks 30 years since the 1993 siege at Waco. Lasting 51 days, it took the lives of 76 people, including 25 children and has gone down as one of the most controversial and tragic incidents in modern American history.James Rogers sits down with author Stephan Talty to discuss his new book "Koresh: The True Story of David Koresh and the Tragedy at Waco", which delves into the life of David Koresh, the leader of the Branch Davidians, and the events leading up to the siege. Together, they explore Koresh's abusive childhood, his religious beliefs, and the socio-political factors that led to the deadly standoff with federal agents.The Senior Producer was Elena Guthrie. It was edited by Annie Coloe.For more Warfare content, subscribe to our Warfare newsletter here.If you'd like to learn even more, we have hundreds of history documentaries, ad free podcasts and audiobooks at History Hit - subscribe today! To download, go to Android or Apple store Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Thirty years this past week, the Waco siege--a 51-day standoff between the Branch Davidians religious group and federal agents--came to a deadly end.  In February 1993, David Koresh, the cult's leader, was accused of stockpiling illegal weapons and abusing children. An attempted raid on February 28th by the ATF failed and led to the death of four agents and six Branch Davidians. On April 19th, 1993, after the FBI attempted to use tear gas to speed up negotiations that had gone on for weeks, a fire broke out inside the compound killing 76 people, including Koresh. It is still debated by some on how that fire began. Retired ATF Senior Special Agent Blake Boteler was at the siege and joined the FOX News Rundown's Dave Anthony to discuss his experience. Boteler, who took part in the first raid, describes being shot at and how things went wrong from the start. Boteler always weighed in on how the standoff was conducted, why he thinks the group committed mass suicide, and how the events sparked an anti-government movement. Due to time limitations, we had to air the entire interview in two separate segments. On the FOX News Rundown Extra, you will hear the entire incredible conversation with retired ATF Senior Special Agent Blake Boteler and hear things about the Waco Siege you've probably never heard before. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

"They were trying to have sleep disturbance and they were trying to take someone that they viewed as unstable to start with, and they were trying to drive him crazy. And then they got mad 'cos he does something that they think is irrational."On the morning of February 28th, 1993, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms attempted to serve a search warrant against David Koresh and the rest of the Branch Davidians living in a compound just outside of Waco, Texas. However, in doing so, the ATF had lit a powder keg that had been building up in size and potency for months, if not years.Having long expected this day to come, David Koresh attempted to find calm by establishing some kind of routine inside the compound. Meanwhile, a confused response began to form outside, as members of the FBI attempted to gain control of the quickly-devolving situation...Part 6/8Research, writing, hosting, and production by Micheal WhelanLearn more about this podcast at http://unresolved.meIf you would like to support this podcast and others, consider heading to https://www.patreon.com/unresolvedpod to become a Patron or ProducerMusic CreditsAtlas Gray - "Not Crazy (Instrumental)"All other music composed by Micheal Whelan

No other event in the last fifty years is shrouded in myth like the 1993 siege of the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas. Today, we remember this moment for the 76 people, including 20 children, who died in the fire; for its inspiration of the Oklahoma City bombing; and for the wave of anti-government militarism that followed. What we understand far less is what motivated the Davidians' enigmatic leader, David Koresh.Drawing on first-time, exclusive interviews with Koresh's family and survivors of the siege, bestselling author Stephan Talty paints a psychological portrait of this infamous icon of the 1990s. Born Vernon Howell into the hyper-masculine world of central Texas in the 1960s, Koresh experienced a childhood riven with abuse and isolation. He found a new version of himself in the halls of his local church, and love in the fundamentalist sect of the Branch Davidians. Later, with a new name and professed prophetic powers, Koresh ushered in a new era for the Davidians that prized his own sexual conquest as much as his followers' faith. As one survivor has said, “What better way for a worthless child to feel worth than to become God?”In his signature immersive storytelling, Talty reveals how Koresh's fixation on holy war, which would deliver the Davidians to their reward and confirm himself as Christ, collided with his paranoid obsession with firearms to destructive effect. Their deadly, 51-day standoff with the embattled FBI and ATF, he shows, embodied an anti-government ethic that continues to resonate today.Now, thirty years after that unforgettable moment, Koresh presents the tragedy at Waco—and the government mistrust it inspired—in its fullest context yet. KORESH: The True Story of David Koresh and the Tragedy at Waco-Stephan Talty

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The basis of the celebrated Paramount Network miniseries starring Michael Shannon and Taylor Kitsch--Waco is the critically-acclaimed, first person account of the siege by Branch Davidian survivor, David Thibodeau.Twenty-five years ago, the FBI staged a deadly raid on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco. Texas. David Thibodeau survived to tell the story.When he first met the man who called himself David Koresh, David Thibodeau was a drummer in a local a rock band. Though he had never been religious in the slightest, Thibodeau gradually became a follower and moved to the Branch Davidian compound in Waco. He remained there until April 19, 1993, when the compound was stormed and burned to the ground after a 51-day standoff with government authorities.In this compelling account--now with an updated epilogue that revisits remaining survivors--Thibodeau explores why so many people came to believe that Koresh was divinely inspired. We meet the men, women, and children of Mt. Carmel. We get inside the day-to-day life of the community. We also understand Thibodeau's brutally honest assessment of the United States government's actions. The result is a memoir that reads like a thriller, with each page taking us closer to the eventual inferno.2 years ago #david, #kores, #opperman, #report, #story, #survivor's, #thibodeau, #waco

"We fell right into the hands of Koresh and all those nuts. This is what he wanted, to make it appear that the government was going to kill his people. He wanted Armageddon. Our biggest mistake was that we made it so easy for him."In 1992, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms opened up an investigation into David Koresh and the rest of the Branch Davidians living in their compound near Waco, Texas. Hoping to find evidence of illegal weapons, the ATF began a series of undercover operations to obtain proof the following January.After nearly two months of surveillance and infiltration, the ATF gave the order to move forward with a plan to raid the Mount Carmel Center, which Koresh and the Davidians had recently transformed into a stronghold. The ATF's operation, codenamed "Showtime," would set the stage for the fiasco that followed...Part 5/8Research, writing, hosting, and production by Micheal WhelanLearn more about this podcast at http://unresolved.meIf you would like to support this podcast and others, consider heading to https://www.patreon.com/unresolvedpod to become a Patron or ProducerMusic CreditsHalf Light - "From Below (Instrumental)"Adi Goldstein - "Behind Clouds (Instrumental)"All other music composed by Micheal Whelan

"If any adult in the area around the cabin is observed with a weapon after the surrender announcement had been made, deadly force could and should be used to neutralize the individual."The 1992 Ruby Ridge siege is a seminal event in American history, having become a symbol of government overreach and serving as a precursor to the Waco tragedy in 1993. It also served as a rallying cry for anti-government groups and militias throughout the 1990s, and led to an increase in violent rhetoric that lingers to this day.For that reason, we're going to take a slight detour in our ongoing coverage of the Branch Davidian saga to briefly touch upon this story, and learn about how it ultimately had an effect on the events unfolding down in Waco, Texas...Research, writing, hosting, and production by Micheal WhelanAll music composed by Micheal WhelanLearn more about this podcast at http://unresolved.meIf you would like to support this podcast and others, consider heading to https://www.patreon.com/unresolvedpod to become a Patron or Producer

"We're doing what we're doing and nobody's going to stop us."In 1988, David Koresh and his followers returned to their old home just outside of Waco, where the Shepherd's Rod movement had settled decades prior. With his longtime nemesis George Roden gone, David was finally able to settle into his new role as the president of the church.As the Branch Davidians began the arduous process of rebuilding the Mount Carmel Center - and his authority swelled - David began implementing a series of changes that would ultimately bring his burgeoning kingdom crashing down around him...Research, writing, hosting, and production by Micheal WhelanAll music composed by Micheal WhelanLearn more about this podcast at http://unresolved.meIf you would like to support this podcast and others, consider heading to https://www.patreon.com/unresolvedpod to become a Patron or Producer

In this week's Flightless Bird, David Farrier sets out to Waco, Texas - taking a drive to visit the Branch Davidians compound, the old home of David Koresh. David is surprised to find that the strange offshoot of the Seventh Day Adventist church still exists and sits down to interview their new leader. Why are they still on the same grounds where so many terrible things happened? What do they believe? What do they think of Koresh? What is inside their church? And why did things go so crazy here 30 years ago, America essentially going after one man with an army of guns, helicopters, tear gas, 12 tanks, and almost 900 members of the FBI, ATF, Texas National Guard, the Army, the Waco police department, and the Texas Rangers.

"When they sent that letter out, I knew they were coming. They sent an article removing me as trustee, now they've come to finish the job and remove me from the land."In 1985, Vernon Howell left Mount Carmel with his followers, bound for destinations unknown. Over the next few years, they would struggle to find a place to build their permanent headquarters as they attempted to try and swell their ranks with new converts.Meanwhile, back in Waco, George Roden's erratic nature left him with a dwindling congregation. So he decided to risk a gambit in order to try and win them back. In 1987, he exhumed a body and issued a challenge to his rival, claiming that whoever was able to resurrect the long-deceased woman would be named the uncontested leader of the Branch Davidians. Vernon Howell - now using the name David Koresh - had other plans...Research, writing, hosting, and production by Micheal WhelanAll music composed by Micheal Whelan, except for "Man Man in Waco" by David Koresh, taken from one of his few studio recordingsLearn more about this podcast at http://unresolved.meIf you would like to support this podcast and others, consider heading to https://www.patreon.com/unresolvedpod to become a Patron or Producer

"In his younger years, he had a hard time. He was always looking for something. He had his rock-and-roll; he had his women. But it was never enough."Vernon Wayne Howell struggled to find a sense of stability early in life. Born to a single teenage mother in Texas in 1959, Vernon was abandoned to his maternal grandmother before his second birthday. His mother would take custody of him again later in his childhood, but it was alleged that her husband - Vernon's stepfather - was abusive toward him.Entering adulthood as a high school dropout, Vernon had a lot of issues that had yet to be addressed. After suffering a series of rejections in his personal life, he ended up turning toward the one constant in his life, faith. During his search there, he ended up coming across a group of like-minded individuals in central Texas, who viewed the Bible similarly to himself. Through them, Vernon would find the things that had been eluding him for years...Research, writing, hosting, and production by Micheal WhelanAll music composed by Micheal Whelan, except for "Instrumental Jam" by David Koresh, taken from a live recording in WacoLearn more about this podcast at http://unresolved.meIf you would like to support this podcast and others, consider heading to https://www.patreon.com/unresolvedpod to become a Patron or Producer

"Our prayers for such an undertaking on behalf of God's people will be answered by whatever the results to this call might be."More than a century before David Koresh or the Branch Davidians became household names, the religious movements that led to their existence began growing out of the American Northeast. First came William Miller and the Millerites, a collapsed movement that ended up inspiring the Seventh-Day Adventists years later.In the early 20th century, an Adventist named Victor Houteff wrote a book titled The Shepherd's Rod, which he hoped would help reform the church. After being disfellowshipped for creating a "disloyal" and "divisive movement," Houteff ended up building his own church, the Davidians, nearby Waco, Texas...Research, writing, hosting, and production by Micheal WhelanLearn more about this podcast at http://unresolved.meIf you would like to support this podcast and others, consider heading to https://www.patreon.com/unresolvedpod to become a Patron or ProducerMusic Credits:Noisyfilter - "Repose"Acedis - "Illustrations"Mystery Mammal - "O Come O Come Emmanuel"Rest You Sleeping Giant - "Dead Waters"Graham Bole - "Gloci"Blue Dot Sessions - "Svela Tal"Percival Pembroke - "Music For Haunted Orbital Research Stations"

"There are no heroes or villains in this story, but neither are there saints or martyrs."Today's episode features an interview with author Jeff Guinn, author of the new book "Waco: David Koresh, the Branch Davidians, and a Legacy of Rage." In it, we chat about Jeff's work writing the book, as well as details about the Branch Davidians, David Koresh, and more.Please make sure to check out Jeff's book wherever you can, or learn more at Simon & Shuster:https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Waco/Jeff-Guinn/9781982186104

In the 1980s, David Koresh was a man with a divine mission. He spent the decade ingratiating himself with a religious sect in Waco, Texas, using his charisma to prey on teenage girls in the community. The Branch Davidians gave Koresh their devotion. He delivered them to tragedy and infamy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices