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Kyle Kingsbury, Mark England, and Adam Chin. They all have something in common. A couple weeks ago I invited the best narrative geeks in the game over to the studio to have a little fun with conspiracy theories. And as you probably already know, conspiracy theories are just theoretical narratives that are labeled as such because it counters the narrative held by the majority. Buying into any single narrative can be dangerous. Ken Wilber (one of the greatest philosophers of our time) once said “extremists believe that a part is the whole”. That is they only know a part of the truth but treat it as the whole truth. Extremists are dangerous. They start conflict and can never bring peace. So, whether you're down with the mainstream or you're a hardcore conspiracy theorist you're probably wrong, and partly right. Either way, on today's show we discuss how to wade through the BS and get down to the facts that will actually help you live your best life no matter what the rest of the world is doing.
00:10.29 Dr_ Placebo Welcome back to Monday mornings with max and Mike Today we're going to talk about Mike's funny glasses and we're gonna continue to cut through the Bs where we see it and then we're gonna add some BS. of our own Mike what's up and what's up with the glasses. 00:33.17 mikebledsoe Absolutely only the most helpful BS in the world. So ah, you know I had to get the we've already used that title. Ah. 00:38.00 Dr_ Placebo Oh can we call this episode constructive lives fuck. Okay I Guess that's really all there is is that all language Anyway, whatever right. 00:48.14 mikebledsoe ah ah I mean the enlightened folk out there I think I would tell you that. So yeah, the glasses are to solve ah a problem that was created by trying to solve a problem that we're trying to solve a problem. So. Ah, basically well these are blue light blocking glasses. So these are not my I still have twenty I'm forty years old 2020 vision to this day I ah I have to acknowledge my parents for their good genetics. 01:19.73 Dr_ Placebo Quit bragging. 01:26.50 mikebledsoe And ah and and my own personal work of doing a lot of things outdoors. No but ah, it's funny because I did start getting some floaters in my eyes and but not I mean I don't even notice them unless I'm like staring at the blue sky you know type of thing. But I. 01:37.10 Dr_ Placebo E. 01:46.21 mikebledsoe Was somebody asked me about their floaters and I go I go you know I'm not really sure what it is but I'm sure that if your body is incredibly healthy and doesn't carry a heavy toxic load and a lot of inflammation your eyes are probably eye health overall is going to do well. But so um. Was like you know what? and it's funny after that conversation I started noticing I was like oh when I'm looking at screens all day. My eyes I can tell like there's I go from being in my living room and then I sit down I have this I have a really big screen at my desk and I got the screen. 02:22.70 Dr_ Placebo Um. 02:23.68 mikebledsoe To improve my posture. So if you if you've got a tiny screen you're more likely to be hunched over trying to look at it and your head's gonna jut forward. But if you have a big screen. It's positioned right? You actually have to like sit back a little bit your chin tucks and you go into a much better posture. So I got this big screen and then I. 02:33.46 Dr_ Placebo Yep. 02:42.81 mikebledsoe Realize that my eyes are just getting blasted by a ton of blue light when I'm looking. There's artificial light I'm just staring right at it for hours and hour hours and hour hours and hours a day and I was like oh I need to get some blue light blocking glasses. So these are like my daytime I have some that. 02:47.24 Dr_ Placebo And. 03:01.32 mikebledsoe When the sun goes down I just swap it out with something that's more heavy duty. Ah and when I wear these glasses my eyes like my nervous system. Overall it's not just my eyes. My nervous system tends to be calmer throughout the day so looking into the blue light all day without anything to block it. Yeah. It was frying me. So yeah, we'll see. We'll see if. 03:21.60 Dr_ Placebo I Smell a sponsor. 03:30.11 mikebledsoe You got to be on my email list be on my email list. You might get links to the you know these products these magical products. 03:31.34 Dr_ Placebo Ah, ah, um, man and ah, all right all right I like it. You know I noticed um because I play tennis and. I Don't know if you know but you really need to be able to see quite well to play tennis at a distance in a variety of light scenarios and I noticed a couple times when I was on the computer a bunch before it Just absolutely. Put my ability to see the tennis ball in the basement. It was really rough. So I try to think of it like you know, um, like rpgs like role-playing video games and some you know you're you're going around. Maybe you're fighting monsters or some shit. But occasionally you find yourself. 04:10.54 mikebledsoe Here. 04:28.90 Dr_ Placebo A little console and I kind of think of ah life that way a little bit. It's a role-playing game and I try to be really mindful of how much time I'm spending at the console.. There should be a really compelling Reason. To use the screens basically and we we really we really don't know what the total cost is um, certainly there's the old ah example of the accountant becomes nearsighted and the farmer becomes farsighted. Right? And so I think the cycling between is the key. 05:06.54 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, dude I I agree this is a I love we're talking about this because Ashley and I oh my my mistake, my fiance and I forget her name. Ah yeah. 05:21.39 Dr_ Placebo Jennifer should come up with a fake name. 05:23.75 mikebledsoe Do that now I'm gonna be in trouble. Ah, she'll be the last person listen to this show. She she hears me rant enough. Ah the we we were having date night last night and one these little fancy blind bars. We had bread and accoutrements. 05:34.68 Dr_ Placebo Oh. 05:41.63 mikebledsoe And i't know what that word means but I know when I order it I Love the food that's put in front of me So the ah the oh yeah, the charouty as well. 05:53.29 Dr_ Placebo Charcotery is what I like I can say feed me meat and cheese in like 10 languages. 06:00.81 mikebledsoe Yeah I mean that's that's that's the necessary skills to have any travel. So. It's basically food and and bathrooms. But ah ah we were talking about Myopia and so I had I. Talked about ah I saw a study there day and said there's a huge rides in Myopia and that is nearsightedness that means that people can see just fine something that's in the room with them but something that they try to see far away appears to be blurry and um. You know it's attributed to the fact that everyone's looking at things really close but hardly ever looking at anything very far away and ah that that had me thinking about a concept and I don't know where I picked this up but I I didn't invent it myself. 06:45.19 Dr_ Placebo Edit. 06:56.68 mikebledsoe Which is ah basically the idea is that the more time you spend looking close if you're in a room and all that your your brain actually has a hard time conceptualizing very far out into the future your ability to project. Further out your ability to consider more is hindered and so your eyes are basically just like your your brain is reaching out in front to try to capture some sense of the world and ah if you spend a lot of time. 07:29.63 Dr_ Placebo A. 07:34.42 mikebledsoe And a small space. You're probably gonna think small thoughts. You're gonna have there's gonna small thinking your ability to think into the future is gonna be minimized and you know what? what? Mate. What I thought about next is you know the last two and a half years people spent. There's a 2 wo-year period where a lot of people probably the most people most people who were already indoors way too much now decide to lock themselves inside a house and stare at screens instead of. 07:52.34 Dr_ Placebo Um. 08:08.21 mikebledsoe Instead of looking at somebody who's ten feet away they're always eighteen inches away and if you're on your phone dude it's it's like it's one foot away from your face. So now you have an entire population of people who are near so ah near sighted they're they're myopic their thinking becomes myopic. So. 08:09.71 Dr_ Placebo M. 08:27.38 mikebledsoe As above so below. So whatever's happening in your physical world is going to dictate how your internal world is if you're living in a messy chaotic space your mind is likely gonna be a little messy and chaotic. So this I remember back to when I was living in California and remember. You remember my house and had that big window that was just dude I spent most of my time like I would wake up and walk in the backyard and look over the cliff into the expanse of the ocean and all that and at any time I could leave my computer and put my eyes out there. And it was all it was really nice to be able to get that that contrast and I and it felt good now. You had the practice of looking across the way and trying to spot little boats or a house down the way and to help with my eyesight and. 09:14.56 Dr_ Placebo A. 09:23.80 mikebledsoe And it got me thinking about just my ability to operate in business if I'm in front of a computer screen all the time you know how does that hinder my ability to plan for the future to see greater opportunities or am I going to be able to just see what's in front of me right now. 09:42.42 Dr_ Placebo Man I love what you said there starting about ah 2 two and a half minutes ago in case, anyone wants to timestamp this for later ah, because as soon as you said myopia I was thinking ah visual and psychological right? You get totally locked in. 09:54.20 mikebledsoe Yeah. 10:00.19 Dr_ Placebo Your your world literally shrinks your peripheral vision goes away and from just a more mechanical standpoint your muscles in your eyes and just outside your eyes are going to learn to stay frozen. In that certain area. You know most people are looking between twelve inches and twenty four inches away from their face all the time and if you want to do that. That's fine, but just understand there are going to be tremendous costs to this behavior right. The muscles on the inside of your eyes and outside of your eyes are going to start to freeze into that position because remember your body is always and exactly adapting to whatever you do so just the same way if you sit in a chair all the time your body is going to go. Okay, we sit in a chair a lot How do we make sitting in a chair easier. So if you're looking at a screen that's right in front of you or even papers that are right in front of you which I would argue is a little healthier for you to not have light emitting straight at you but instead have it be bouncing off a page but. Ah, you know before there were screens people were still damaging their ability to see further away by honing in on something really close like a scholar or an accountant or something like that. 11:32.78 Dr_ Placebo Going to get really good at looking at little spreadsheets but they're not going to be very good at seeing far away and it kind of reminds me once again of specialization. It's so useful to have you know 1 person counting the beans. They're locked away in an office all day. And then you have the visionary who never has to look at a spreadsheet in his life. He just looks up from the highest tower to survey the whole situation and lets someone else take care of the details and probably the best. Progress I've made in my life was when I had a clear um separation between those activities. So someone who was really specialized in those minor details. Would take care of that while I was able to see more like the big picture and connecting all these different ideas. So the ah connection between your vision. Ah,, let's call it physically. And your vision psychologically is completely interlinked and there are even um, different physiological responses to the position of your eyes even just looking up for a while. 13:02.96 Dr_ Placebo Been playing a little volleyball recently and so of course I've I've tried to break down all of the volleyball shots and the stances that you find yourself in and sort of like deconstruct volleyball because I don't like to be bad at Sports I like to be good enough to really enjoy them. And I was just thinking how in volleyball you're basically looking straight ahead or up the entire time and I was like wow this would probably be 1 of the best things for people to do just force them to look up and extend. If they're spending tons of time looking. Let's say down at a 30 to sixty degree angle now they're looking up at a 30 to sixty degree angle and everything is up and the hand-eye coordination. Everything is pointed upwards so that. Ah, equal and opposite force could be really beneficial. So just not only the um the distance away from the object and certainly being able to track an object in and out is one of the more fundamental visual skills but also just the angle. Of your eyes has a big influence on your nervous system. You know you snap your eyes up. You should be going into extension. You snap your eyes down. You should be going into flexion so like a fetal position so the position of your eyes and the distance away. 14:33.56 Dr_ Placebo Is going to have a big influence on your nervous system Vision's really complex. So one of the most complex things to understand. 14:37.96 mikebledsoe Yeah, the the other thing is is I mean if you study any body language like I I watched a bunch of videos by this guy who worked for some intelligence agency where he was. Talking about? Well you can you know their eyes do this. It's a tell right? and then I got into a little bit of Nlp and it's you and you can you can watch people when you're talking to them now and you'll I'll ask somebody a question and they'll start looking up into the right or up into the left. 15:00.00 Dr_ Placebo E. 15:08.26 Dr_ Placebo Oh. 15:14.15 Dr_ Placebo Right. 15:16.38 mikebledsoe And then if I ask them how they're feeling and if they're going to be honest with me a lot of times they'll look down like their eyes will will settle straight ahead into my eyes or they'll drop down or they'll they'll want to close their eyes and so yeah, well the the idea the idea that I'm thinking about. 15:30.00 Dr_ Placebo Submissive. 15:35.59 mikebledsoe Is is when the eyes go up a lot of times they're searching for something in the mind they're looking for a memory right in some people say I don't know how accurate this is up into the right you know is more creative processes are going and that part of the brain up into the left is a little more linear thinking more organized. 15:40.36 Dr_ Placebo E o. 15:55.40 mikebledsoe And so I mean I've watched people as I ask them questions and be in conversation. They're looking up and then they're looking to the right and up to the left and I can I can like I can actually see them searching for the information they're looking for. 15:57.51 Dr_ Placebo I. 16:09.28 Dr_ Placebo That's why I always just roll my eyes whenever you talk so you can't get a read on. 16:14.86 mikebledsoe Um, but yeah, ah I mean try try looking up and looking down and see how that impacts. 16:15.40 Dr_ Placebo But but. 16:23.73 mikebledsoe Your experience in that moment. I mean anyone can try this right now just look down or close your eyes see what happens look up see what goat happens and to me for me. It does it shifts I can I can watch my awareness. Go up into my head or my awareness fall into my body. 16:43.60 Dr_ Placebo Well, that's amazing I Think a good example is the connection I'll just bring it back to movement because that's sort of my thing still I Guess if you want to like mellow yourself out. You would basically take a lightweight and do some Romanian Deadlifts and you would look down you would you would you would look down. 17:18.10 Dr_ Placebo You would kind of bend over so you're folding into that fetal Position. You wouldn't stand all the way up and that's going to bring you down that's going to take your nervous system way way down and then um, the opposite would be. You're doing something where you're looking up. And exploding upward whether that's throwing a medicine ball or a sandbag in the air. Um, ah, jumping all that kind of stuff you go up explosively man you are going to jack your nervous system up big Time. So. 1 of the things I've noticed is you can use the eye position as a way to influence the nervous system. Especially if you sync it up with ah synergistic movements along those lines is really powerful. Yeah, you take someone in the very beginning of a session. 18:01.19 mikebledsoe I Like that. 18:08.51 Dr_ Placebo And they're all lethargic and you have them throw a medicine ball up overhead as high and far as they can and snap their eyes upward and within a few repetitions they're they're just absolutely bringing up the level into more sympathetic which is where you're going to get a little more aggression. And then at the end if you want to bring someone back down, you just have them do something kind of eyes down and I'll just say fetal Ish position. Yeah. 18:38.65 mikebledsoe Interesting I like that a lot I like that a lot um are you familiar with Paul check's totem. 18:47.15 Dr_ Placebo No, ah no. 18:51.21 mikebledsoe Basically has a hierarchy of of what dictates the health of the body. So at the bottom of the totem pole is the Musculo skeletal system and then you have the organs and then you have ah ah I think breath. And then you have ah your jaw basically your ability to masticate and then you go up level the stibular system and then you go to the ocular system which is the eyes and then above that is consciousness and all of all of like. 19:12.31 Dr_ Placebo Oo a. 19:26.83 mikebledsoe The idea is consciousness as we were talking about last week is what if something's off in your consciousness. It's going to filter down into your ocular vestibular your jaw your breath your organs and your musculoskeletal system. So if you end up with an injury. It may not just be 1 thing so ah say more. 19:47.18 Dr_ Placebo It reminds me of the neural hierarchy. That's what I've heard which is visual vestibular and propriepptive so visual is the highest vestibular is second inropriacceptive which is your your body and your stuff is third and I've had. Lots of firsthand experience where improving someone's ability to see whether that's just moving their eyes or tracking an object through space has had a really significant difference I mean it feels like Voodoo almost. The fact that some people can have a pain in their back or their shoulder. We do something with their eyes and then it resolves itself and the the criticism of stuff like that is they're like oh well, it won't maybe it won't stay that way but I I would say that anything you can do. To get someone out of the fire basically and into a situation where they can move. Well again is really valuable. So I've seen how that neural hierarchy has played out to be true. You know if someone's got a visual problem. And they don't know that they have a visual problem and their leg hurts. You can do leg circles forever. But it doesn't resolve the root cause which is higher up on the hierarchy just like you know if you. 21:20.50 Dr_ Placebo Give someone liposuction but you'd never repair their relationship with food. They're just going to get fat Again, you know what I mean so it's about addressing things at the root cause of it and the neural hierarchy is a top-down understanding I mean that's why I say vision is so complex because. 21:24.84 mikebledsoe Um, yeah. 21:39.70 Dr_ Placebo Our whole frame of the world is based on our ability to distinguish 1 thing from another and being able to label those things so when you see something it's fucking insane. But is actually really going on like we talk about all the different words that the eskimos or inuits have for snow a lot of different words for green and all of it has to do with being able to distinguish 1 thing from another and initially it was just ah like which way is up. Ah, is this thing going to eat me or not in fact, the evolution of the eye is a really interesting thing. There's a book ah by Isaac Asimov who I thought was just a sci-fi writer but he was also a science writer and it's called the human body structure and operation and it talks about. 22:33.29 Dr_ Placebo Evolution of an eye which started out just as a few um photosensitive cells that could basically just detect photons so you know on the body of some organism. They can detect light or no light and then it turned into a little cup. So It could take in a little bit more light and then this eyeball evolved over time and that's also why like a lot of sea creatures are black on the top and white on the bottom so they are camouflaged against the surrounding environment. If You're an orcca whale and you're above something you're coming out of the they're coming out of the light so you want your belly to be light colored and if you're lower, You're going to be coming out of the darkness so you want the top to be darkly colored and a lot of fish are colored that way specifically. So It's a. Quite an interesting game of cat and mouse between vision and camouflage. Really interesting. 23:33.73 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, just goes back and forth. Yeah I think I was watching one of these dock 2 series on like a planet earth or something like that and they were talking about the evolution of the eye and how basically. The the basic functions of our eyes are the same as the a fish and just kind of basically well really. 24:00.33 Dr_ Placebo I think I was saying that last week. Yeah, maybe to you maybe to someone else I talk about that all the time because um, that's there's more similar than there is different. With animals and the fact that a fish eye in your eye are so crazy similar is that blows my mind really because that's a very different creature but in a lot of ways you know they eat or get eaten. 24:27.13 mikebledsoe It's tripping. 24:35.48 Dr_ Placebo Shit stuff out and they have to see what's going on and we're not that different fundamentally. Of course we have all this other ah different stuff like language and metaphor and symbolism and arguably more complex relationships. But even a lot of very simple creatures. Have eyes I mean even ah tardigrades which are like the little water bears. Um, there are really really tiny microorganisms that can survive the. 25:02.68 mikebledsoe Are they that that like the smallest are they the smallest living Organism or. 25:11.15 Dr_ Placebo They no no, no, no, no, they're really weird. They have like 6 legs they're they can survive the vacuum of space they can turn into a crystal if there's not enough water it can survive like radiation. They're really weird. Ah they're. Called water bears but the real name is a tardigrade and they have tiny little eyes. It's a single cell little black spot here and here just in the same place that you would imagine an eye should be and even they have these little eyes. It's it's really trippy. It's it's a huge advantage in the primordial soup to be able to see a little bit further and we talk about ah projection on this show quite a lot and so being able to see further literally with your eyes. And then being able to see further. Let's say ah philosophically or symbolically with like your third eye and being able to project and plan into the future goes right in line with what you were saying before about that myopia of we could call it a. Mindopia like myopia of the mind. Basically that is ah synchronous with the myopia of the vision and once again, it's it's fine because that's how we get the comparative advantage of having someone who's purely focused on a few details. 26:25.82 mikebledsoe Ah. 26:42.81 Dr_ Placebo While someone else can be focused on the big picture and not bother with those details so much. 26:57.23 Dr_ Placebo It's like having a lookout on a ship. Their job is to see and the Captain's job is to choose what to do about that. 27:03.46 mikebledsoe Very specialized. 27:08.14 Dr_ Placebo That's that's the name of our game. We specialize you you go kill the stuff I'll cook it I don't know why I made myself the lady in that example, right? there but but that's what it is specialization. Yeah no. 27:21.87 mikebledsoe Ah I'll be the dude I'll be the dude I okay well at the end of the conversation I had with my fiancee last night was you know what do we do because you know I did go we but we both left. 27:25.38 Dr_ Placebo No, one's going to believe that though. 27:38.90 mikebledsoe California we're living in Texas and there you know, depending on where you live you may have some views that you can look out really far but where we live that's not really the case so spend a lot of time indoors especially because it gets so hot and we get outdoors quite a bit but. If I were to look at the amount of time I spend indoors and looking at screens versus out in nature and looking far away. The ratio is skewed a bit so we've made a commitment to spend more time outdoors my birthday. We're going to go backpacking. We'll be in tahoe next week um 28:16.85 Dr_ Placebo Ah, nice. 28:17.90 mikebledsoe You know? So we'll be so we're doing that and spend a lot of time in nature. Go hiking every day and yeah, so I think that I mean the way I I typically run my life is and ah you know just a sequence of extreme events and it's like. Extreme smallness in my my office and then going out and being nature for 3 4 or five days and then come back to the office for a week and then back and forth which I think is okay for a period of time but the overall goal is to live somewhere where I can regularly. Exercise my vision and and yeah and have that balance. 29:00.98 Dr_ Placebo Yeah, maybe take up bird watching probably some birds down there in Texas really you have a little journal. 29:06.50 mikebledsoe Dude I did so much bird watching when I was in California I ah I you know I lived on that lagoon and I had those I had those? no but I would go out there and I I could I got to where I could predict. No. Every month there was a different type of bird that was coming into the trees these trees in the backyard and they'd be migrating and coming through and then these birds would come hang out for February and then they would disappear and then in April another different type of bird would be hanging out in the same trees. Ah, and. 29:24.50 Dr_ Placebo Ah. 29:28.93 Dr_ Placebo O. 29:38.11 mikebledsoe Yeah I spent a lot of time out there just checking the birds out. 29:44.63 Dr_ Placebo Yeah that's a really ah engaging activity. Actually it's really weird. It's kind of like ah I had this idea that if you see a shooting star. It's lucky, but really. Is it lucky because you are making a wish on the shooting star because if you are that's cool. You're setting an intention. But also if you just happen to be outside looking at the night sky enough that you see shooting stars then that already means like you're bringing that luck. Into your life like that's a healthy behavior and you know it's not like ah this is good and this is bad kind of thing but you know if you are looking at something like straight. Ah you know eighteen inches in front of you ah getting that tunnel vision versus. Actually laying outside and looking at the stars. It's a very different kind of experience. So even if you don't make a wish you just happen to put yourself in a situation where you can see some some shooting stars. It's like you already did the thing that sets you up. For a little bit more peace of mind and relaxation. 30:57.64 mikebledsoe Yeah, how often do use Stargas I don't do it hardly at all anymore it it only happens when I'm traveling and I'm out of the city because the city really messes it up. 31:08.20 Dr_ Placebo Um. 31:13.30 Dr_ Placebo Um, ah the last few weeks of having puppies I've done very little I've done more helping them chase crickets so ah, looking down I'll like find 1 and point it out and then let them go like try to catch it. 31:21.52 mikebledsoe Perfect. 31:30.91 Dr_ Placebo At night but I would say at least once a week I was ah laying outside at night. Um, and just looking up and it's it's ah another one of those really soothing experience it and it's not for everybody like I mean you don't have to do any of that shit it just. Can be a ah nice way to sort of temper the constant ah dopamine buffet that we have available to us. 31:59.24 mikebledsoe All right? This is probably the first time I mean since the invention of the light bulb is you know the last hundred hundred and fifty years I mean really for the average person hundred years the first time that star gazing was not a thing. 32:16.28 Dr_ Placebo M. 32:18.67 mikebledsoe Sun goes down. Everyone's hanging out there's little to do after dark. Maybe you got some candlelight but the stars I mean when you know when you go out into the country you get away from the city. The the stars are so much easier to see it's It's something worth looking at. But if you're. 32:22.37 Dr_ Placebo Oh. 32:30.35 Dr_ Placebo And. 32:36.30 mikebledsoe And L a and you're trying to look at the stars. Good luck. 32:40.86 Dr_ Placebo Right? I mean you'll still see stars. You just won't see as many and I would argue that you're better off to to look up at least a little bit I mean should we just call that ah call this episode look up even. 32:42.61 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 32:57.26 Dr_ Placebo Even that the metaphor of look up is ah synonymous with having a positive attitude right? You can you can look up. You can also look down on somebody. That's a pretty ah unhealthy behavior I would argue you. 33:11.24 mikebledsoe Look up to look down on. 33:15.53 Dr_ Placebo Look up to somebody yeah look up to look down on. Yeah, it's It's pretty big. 33:18.41 mikebledsoe You know. 33:35.10 Dr_ Placebo Ah, do you do any? ah exercises for your vision. 33:39.25 mikebledsoe Ah, there's one I don't do it frequently enough. But um one I like to do is I wrap a towel around my head um Criss Crosss it to basically keep my head from being the thing that turns basically stabilize that and then take my eyes I got a mandala. 33:50.92 Dr_ Placebo And. E. 33:56.77 mikebledsoe Hangs in my garage gym and I circle the mandala with my eyes and I'm I'm really focused on going slow and smooth and then if I find an area where my eyes want to skip which everyone will find some area. It's like oh down and to the right. 34:13.19 Dr_ Placebo E. 34:16.27 mikebledsoe My eye kind of jumped from here to here. Can I go back smooth it out and then keep going and if you can if you can go each way you know from right? you know, clockwise and counterclockwise around the mendala smoothly then you're going to be in a pretty good space. Ah. 34:18.90 Dr_ Placebo In a. 34:36.36 mikebledsoe That's also one way that they're able to see if you had a concussion in the past is if you're if you're either unable to I remember I was I being worked on once and I couldn't look up to the right I think it was. 34:40.10 Dr_ Placebo He. 34:52.91 mikebledsoe Was having trouble looking up to the right? they were doing an eye test on me and they were like oh did you have a concussion and you know where were you hit now. Of course I don't know which concussion they're talking about ah but the the ah. 35:05.10 Dr_ Placebo So. 35:10.14 mikebledsoe They they said oh yeah, a lot of times people they were hit up and to the right, their nervous system remembers that it basically thinks it's still happening and then it's that reaction to try to you know your eyes lead the way and you and you get away from whatever. Ah. 35:19.74 Dr_ Placebo 6 35:29.69 mikebledsoe Force was coming at you and having maybe having some damage to the brain in that area keeps your eyes from being able to go back up and so one of the ways to help heal. The brain is through vision. 35:47.54 Dr_ Placebo Absolutely I think being able to or not being able to but doing a few um circles with the eyes closed and then with the eyes open really smooth is a very simplified and good way to. Improve your ah overall ability to interact with your environment and then another good thing to add is throwing a ball against a wall with some letters drawn on it and calling out the letter that you see right before you catch it. So You're really tracking something in space I would say. 36:21.42 mikebledsoe So you got letters on the wall. Oh on the ball. 36:24.80 Dr_ Placebo Those are probably 2 of the biggest ones on the ball so you take a tennis you take a tennis ball and if you imagine the tennis ball is a cube you draw a letter or a number on each of the 6 faces of the cube. So whatever, whatever you see last you call that out. And do you have to draw anything on it. No, but if you do you're going to track it a little bit longer. So it's going to make you a little more attentive to staying focused on the ball. So even if that was all you did I mean I've written tons of stuff. About vision. It's in a lot of the programs that I've made. But if you just did some ah eyes closed circles and then eyes open circles and then throw a ball against a wall and track it through space that is going to go a really really long way. To improving your overall eye ability and if you do find a spot that's difficult. Um, you know, hold those 8 cardinal directions up up to the right, right? down right down down left left up left and back through. 37:20.00 mikebledsoe I Like that a lot. 37:38.57 Dr_ Placebo And what's interesting is if you do it with the eyes closed. You can focus a lot more on the extra ocular muscles because you're not receiving a lot of input about like oh I'm trying to look at this or that you can really just focus on the movement of the balls in the sockets. 37:54.41 mikebledsoe You can feel it more. 37:57.16 Dr_ Placebo Actually some of the yeah, it's some of the fastest muscles blinking is the fastest thing but your eyes can move really fast, pretty pretty fascinating that we can like look and cover so much distance. Like you can cover way more distance by looking and moving your eyes than you can by moving your body So It's a huge huge advantage. A lot of creatures don't have eyes and they figure it out just fine. They basically have to sniff and bump into stuff. 38:21.90 mikebledsoe From. 38:30.63 mikebledsoe Yeah I was ah I was watching a ah documentary on hunting and they were talking about they they were with these tribes people who had basically um. They would find an animal. They want to hunt and then they would basically creep up on it and then chase it until it ah was exhausted and they would kill it persistent hunting and um it was. 38:59.10 Dr_ Placebo And persistence hunting. 39:06.97 mikebledsoe Really interesting because I mean the the human body is made for that endurance. It's able to endure whereas an animal. Maybe some of these animals may be really fast but they can't cool off fast enough ah like a cheeah like you chase it long enough. It's going to tuck her out. 39:16.74 Dr_ Placebo Yeah, like a cheetah. Yeah. But dude Cheetahs have absolutely shit endurance like they can they can They can hum their motor for like cats in general but Cheetahs especially they can rev it really high but they just can't go very long and. 39:26.22 mikebledsoe So yeah I think that's cats in general. 39:41.27 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 39:45.30 Dr_ Placebo I I talk about this all the time actually because if you look at the human body ah compared to a lot of other animals. It's It's so fucking flimsy it's were. We're Squishy. We're Squishy. We don't have Claws. No armor, no poison. No Venom We're not particularly Fast. We're not particularly Strong. We don't have a lot of offspring. It's It's like really sad but we have Thumbs. We have neocortex and by working together. That's basically good enough that we can have these like. 40:17.39 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 40:21.50 Dr_ Placebo Squishy Bipedal bodies and just dominate every other animal. 40:24.90 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah I mean one of the things about the persistent persistence hunting the two things that stood out to me was one is we as humans can keep our bodies cooler for long distance than than a lot of these animals and then. 40:42.28 Dr_ Placebo Sweating. 40:42.68 mikebledsoe Yeah, just being able to sweat versus you know, most perspiration coming through the mouth through a lot of these maybe an antelope or something like that that they're chasing down or a buffalo and the other thing is ah if you look at the anatomy of a lot of apes. 40:51.57 Dr_ Placebo That's why dogs pant and. 41:01.81 mikebledsoe They I don't remember the exact like joint it is That's in the neck you may know that allows us to stabilize our vision on the horizon while we run So ah, a typical ape wouldn't actually okay. 41:16.72 Dr_ Placebo It's a vestibular ocular reflex. So that's one of the drills I have people do in Primal Athleticism is to keep your gaze fixed on a spot on the wall. You can draw a spot or put a Post-it note and you move your head left and right you tilt it left and right. 41:20.74 mikebledsoe Is this a. 41:25.58 mikebledsoe They have. 41:34.22 Dr_ Placebo And you nod up and down and you can stay focused on the spot over there. You can do figure eights and if I do figure eights I can still see you crystal clear and that's that's pretty wild. Yeah yeah, this yeah. 41:45.58 mikebledsoe I Like that just doing it with you for the people who are only listening which is everybody. Ah. 41:52.23 Dr_ Placebo You're really missing out on our funny head movements while we stare into each other's eyes. 41:53.79 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it really stood out to me is the the thing that really the the 2 things that allowed humans to consume more meat and more what I would imagine be enough fat. To to sit well 2 things. The fat helps build the brain and gives you the ability to sit and think because you you get a ton of calories for you know you expend some calories you kill the animal. But now you have a lot of calories to sit around. And consider things or to build something whereas ah most animals I think they spend their days finding the food chewing. Well a lot of apes I know it's chewing. Yeah. 42:36.28 Dr_ Placebo It's chewing chewing and it's just chewing. They're just chewing all fucking. How do you get to be a giant gorilla with huge muscles and you're a vegetarian you have to be chewing all fucking day. You're just chewing all day. 42:50.13 mikebledsoe All day. 42:55.61 Dr_ Placebo And we have these vertical bodies So We're also not encumbered by gravity the same way like if you imagine just how much less work you have to do by stacking your entire mass like a pillar. Instead of like a bridge. You know if you're a quadruped you're basically doing a plank all fucking day. So you're constantly expending energy just to to stand. Let alone walk. You're expending even more energy. So The fact that we can use our Skeleton to support our structure in. 43:17.83 mikebledsoe Yeah. 43:33.36 Dr_ Placebo Perfect alignment with gravity more or less with these nice Arches through the neck and the spine and the hips and of course our hips are highly optimized for ah, walking and running especially walking. It allows us to cover a lot of ground much slower. But a lot more ground with a lot less energy expenditure. It's incredible and see further. It's like we're in a constant ah prairie dog position where we're up being able to see further along the horizon right. 43:53.59 mikebledsoe Yeah, what. 44:05.48 mikebledsoe Yeah, the do you have any exercises for working peripheral vision specifically it seems like the the figure 9 might help a bit. 44:18.91 Dr_ Placebo Yeah, ah, um, so if you're doing it yourself. You bring your arms all the way out to the side and you start. Ah, you point your Index fingers straight up and you look straight ahead and you start wiggling your fingers and slowly. Bringing your arms forward until you can see your wiggling fingers and what's interesting is um I can't remember which book I wrote it in but the eye loves movement. The eye is attracted to Movement. So if you um, try to see something in your peripherals. That's. 44:38.37 mikebledsoe No. 44:56.17 Dr_ Placebo Still,, you're probably not going to see it because what ends up happening is you only see like a small field of vision of your focal vision. It's called versus your peripheral and your brain fills in the rest. This is what this is why vision gets so fucking Crazy is. You see stuff and then your brain fills it in based on what it thinks is supposed to be there. But if you have like wiggling objects come in from the outside of your periphery you're going to see them a lot easier because your eye is attracted to movement and of course that's ah, an evolutionary advantage. That you want to see any shit that's moving way more than stuff that is ah, not moving right? Another another thing you can do for a peripheral vision is if you have like ah a partner to do that for you coming in. 45:38.58 mikebledsoe Yeah, something I want to kill or avoid to be killed by. 45:54.54 Dr_ Placebo From the peripheral or even throwing a ball over your head in front of you So you're waiting your partner is behind you and he tosses a ball ah over the back of your head into your field of view and you try to catch the ball. As it goes from your peripheral and to your focal vision. Yeah yeah,. But even if you just do the the the finger wiggling thing that'll give you something and it kind of reminds me of that. 46:10.95 mikebledsoe I Like that a lot that sounds fun. 46:28.92 Dr_ Placebo Ah, martial Arts Soft eyes where you try to diffuse your focus like the lantern versus the laser like we talk about. 46:44.47 Dr_ Placebo Right? No, we haven't talked about that I'm getting getting and getting a lot of silence over here. 46:48.56 mikebledsoe Um, totally I yeah I'm having a you know I didn't get a lot of sleep last night is two weeks in a row I'm just I now I know you. 46:56.87 Dr_ Placebo Here We go with the fucking excuses you son of a bitch I don't want to hear that shit just fake it. 47:04.97 mikebledsoe Um, just having I'm having I'm having a time in my life. You're gonna have to carry me a little bit I think we're gonna We're gonna be okay max. 47:10.11 Dr_ Placebo Um, fake it like your wife cinnamon. Your wife's name is cinnamon Cinnamon cinnamon. 47:17.35 mikebledsoe Oh yeah, cinnamon cinnamon cinminnamon in oh I think we covered a lot of good ground here. A lot of practical ah advice things for people to do go outdoors. 47:31.10 Dr_ Placebo Are. 47:35.70 mikebledsoe Ah, make sure you're looking far I don't think anyone needs to be told to look close I think we're getting plenty of that just make sure you're getting some type of balance there move your eyes around ah circles are great. Ah, what else you say we got. Ah. 47:43.68 Dr_ Placebo Um. 47:54.25 Dr_ Placebo So you have ah visual tracking so being able to track a ball coming in at you. Um, there's way more. But for the sake of simplicity. Yeah, even if you just did the eyes closed ah circles and holds. 47:56.58 mikebledsoe Yep. 48:10.71 Dr_ Placebo Eyes open circles and holds and then tossed a ball against a wall preferably like twenty Ish feet away and then the other thing I would say is whenever you sit down at a console set a fucking timer. We have. These magic rectangles and one of their functions is that you can set a timer just don't get frozen in any single position. You know you want to have the farmer vision and the accounting vision. You want to have the lantern and the laser and it's the Alternating. You know another thing I have people do um in the primal athleticism program I do nearf far drills which is you basically put a post it on the wall twenty thirty feet away and you draw something on it a letter a number something that you have to really be able to focus on. And then you hold another one in your hand like let's say twelve inches away so you have something that's twelve inches or twenty inches away in your hand and then you have something that's about 20 to thirty feet away on the wall and you basically try to see how quickly you can cycle between focusing on each one so you know let's say I have a written in the post it in my hand and I have b written in the posted on the wall and I'm going to try to cycle between a and b back and forth as quickly as I can and of course you can move the post it around. 49:42.29 Dr_ Placebo And have it be down a little lower but the main thing is that you're just changing the distance of your focal point because if you're focused on the post it in your hand. You're not going to be able to see what's written on the posted on the wall and if you wanted to you know?? um. Upgraded a little bit. You could write like love on the wall and courage in your hand or something like that. So you have more of like a psychological thing going On. It's you know a little bit sterile to be like ah look at a and then look at B Ah so as long as you're going to do that You might as well. 50:16.36 mikebledsoe I think you should put Mike and max on these postcards that that you know, ah if you if you go to if you go to the website and there's a lead. 50:20.78 Dr_ Placebo Right? perfect. 50:31.58 mikebledsoe Well, there's a pdf over there. Ah. 50:35.95 Dr_ Placebo This is getting weird I love it. But basically you just cycle back and forth see how quickly and use a metronome if you have 1 available to you get free app on your phone and cycle between the close and the far vision. 50:37.18 mikebledsoe A. 50:52.20 mikebledsoe But the you introduced me to using the metronome with training for all sorts of different things that was incredibly useful for me appreciate that I Highly recommend it? yeah. 50:54.93 Dr_ Placebo So that's another thing you can do. Ah. 51:05.90 Dr_ Placebo Oh my god yeah, it's ah it's an absolute game changer people are so focused on how much mass is being moved versus how much acceleration is happening. And 1 of the most fundamental physics. Equations is force equals mass times acceleration and I think it's hilarious. This perverted obsession. We have with mass and this complete neglect of acceleration when in actuality. Um, people care way more. 51:25.36 mikebledsoe Yeah. 51:41.50 Dr_ Placebo About how fast they can move rather than how much stuff they can move and the people who have the best longevity are the ones who retain their ability to be able to move quickly and in fact, that's the athletic attribute that deteriorates more rapidly. Which is why ah sprinters you know tend to peak before age 30 but power lifters tend to peak often in their 40 s late 40 s fifty s so ah, way too much focus is spent on. The amount of mass that is being moved versus the amount of force that is being generated which includes the acceleration and a metronome improves your coordination. It proves your rhythm and it also is a way to very easily ah increase the force. By increasing the acceleration as opposed to just increasing the mass really powerful stuff. I mean there's a lot of other eye Exercises. You could do with it. But yeah for sake of simplicity ah eyes closed make Circles eyes open make circles throw a ball against the wall. 52:37.81 mikebledsoe Yeah, love it. 52:54.80 Dr_ Placebo And then try that near far drill and then use a timer so you're not stuck ah on any 1 ah console for too long. You know there's like the twenty Twenty rule every 20 minutes look twenty feet away for at least 20 seconds that's fine ah a little bit longer would be better though. You know so every 15 minutes or so look at something further away for a little while it'll make a big difference. 53:20.89 mikebledsoe Yeah, so we call it is anything else. You want to leave him with feel like got some Yeah, everyone's got homework to do. Don't go back and put these things into practice. 53:31.80 Dr_ Placebo Ah. 53:37.52 Dr_ Placebo Do do some drawing and doodling do doodling is better than dawdling is what I say so if you're if you're stuck like draw dry it out. You know, a lot of ah. 1 of the big advantages we have is being able to draw symbols and shapes and connect different ideas together. So if you're if you're not sure just start just start drawing shapes and ah connecting words and ideas with lines so you can see it all. Big picture and I think this is probably one of the things that I do best because sometimes I have difficulty staying engaged with details but I will often get out a piece of paper and just draw down some ideas but I'll connect them with ah shapes and lines and diagrams. And I'll try to make some math equations there too but getting your ideas. Ah not only down on paper in words but also connected together in shapes and symbols and lines is really powerful and so you will be able to improve your ability to visualize. And ah envision the future if you use some symbols on the paper. So ah I'll just I'll close with that. Thank you guys. You can see me Maxshank.com Mike Bleso you can find him on his new newsletter where you can get. 54:53.15 mikebledsoe That hurt. 55:04.61 Dr_ Placebo Hot Fresh ah wisdom delivered to your inbox and then also blue light blocking glasses I think you can learn the secret as well. 55:16.90 mikebledsoe Yep yep, just go go go find on the newsletter. Maybe one day I'll yeah I mean if you actually there's if you Dm me I can get you on the newsletter. But right now I don't have anywhere. 55:19.50 Dr_ Placebo Where can they find that strong coach. What where do I sign up for your newsletter dude right. 55:33.76 mikebledsoe For anyone to sign up so I'm ah. 55:34.84 Dr_ Placebo Yeah, how convenient it's like it's like a secret club with no sign on La door. 55:43.42 mikebledsoe I Got I've got a I got my email list that people that got in or get my messages. The people who want in are confused. It's okay I'm I'm rebuilding some things. Ah. 55:56.86 Dr_ Placebo Ah I like it so send you a dm Mike Underscore blood so if you want to get in on it I like it. 56:00.74 mikebledsoe Yeahp Yeah I'll I'll add you and yeah I like to keep it tight I Only want to be talking to people who really want to be talking to me. So yeah, yeah. 56:08.70 Dr_ Placebo All right? nice. Keep it keep a clear vision until next time folks. Thanks Mikey! Love you buddy. 56:15.61 mikebledsoe Love you lady y'all.
00:00.00 mikebledsoe Oh last too bad. Yeah, it's great. It's great. 00:00.00 Dr_ Placebo All on my end I Still don't see it look. Do you see that see the levels. There's nothing there. You think it's great that we can only hear you talking on the recording is that what you're telling me. 00:15.28 mikebledsoe Now I can we can hear you just fine. We're working on Max's audio again. Um, how's your week ben. 00:17.27 Dr_ Placebo If you say So oh. 00:28.30 Dr_ Placebo My week's been good. How about you. 00:33.35 mikebledsoe Ah, man, it's been ah, it's been a lot of lot of fun I'm I'm rereading a book right now dollars flow to me easily by Richard dots and highly recommend it to anyone who well. Wants easy transformation. So that's really the book has little to do with money has everything to do with ah creating an inner state that ah of goodness allowing that to emerge and then ah. 01:00.62 Dr_ Placebo Oh. 01:10.26 mikebledsoe Allowing the universe to deliver all your intentions and desires to your doorstep. So if if money is what you need to reach your desires then you know I find that when I find that inner peace and goodness and just sit in that. Really cool things. Emerge. 01:33.25 Dr_ Placebo Kind of reminds me with ah dog training that it's not about training the dog. It's about training the person a lot of the time and as far as creative work is concerned if you are in a. 01:42.60 mikebledsoe Um, yeah for. 01:49.42 Dr_ Placebo Ah heightened state of some kind whether that's a flow state or otherwise you're just going to do your best work right. 01:55.49 mikebledsoe Yeah, you know what? I Also find that I've never figured anything out in Business. It's never been. You know there's definitely things to Learn. There's skills to learn. You know, managing finances and budgets and. Learning how to copyright and all these things are really useful skills and it doesn't mean you need you, You should avoid learning anything but it ah for me to sit with oh I'm going to sit and think my way to a solution when I'm having a problem is rarely. 02:26.51 Dr_ Placebo What. 02:32.43 mikebledsoe Ah, how it works out I can't even think of a time where I thought my way to a solution most of the solutions that have occurred to me has just been. You know you're in the shower or something or ah, you know I'm thinking about something I go to the fridge. 02:37.25 Dr_ Placebo Um. 02:43.83 Dr_ Placebo And. 02:49.87 Dr_ Placebo Who. 02:50.15 mikebledsoe So it's um, yeah, what I like about this book is it really puts me in that place of just observing what's good and then watching these things these ideas emerge and I definitely had that experience yesterday and um. 03:03.19 Dr_ Placebo O. 03:09.23 mikebledsoe Was being interviewed by John North um of weightlifting talk and he he and I had like similar rises of notoriety in the in the weightlifting Crossfit world and like at the same time and then also had you know. 03:24.60 Dr_ Placebo Ah. 03:27.79 mikebledsoe Kind of disappeared into the ether around the same time I I ah regularly get hit up by people on Instagram or Twitter and they're like oh shit, you're still alive like yeah yeah, still hanging out still doing some stuff and we had he. He. 03:30.30 Dr_ Placebo And. 03:37.52 Dr_ Placebo Yeah, yeah. Um, funny wo who. 03:47.14 mikebledsoe He asked me he goes he goes look. We can talk about all the good stuff we could talk about the good times. But why don't you tell us about the dark moments in your career in business I was like oh boy, Oh boy I can deliver that. 04:01.74 Dr_ Placebo Um. O. 04:05.32 mikebledsoe There's some dark moments. And yeah I don't know how long the show went on for it felt like 2 hours and it was you know I think it's the most emotional I've ever been on a podcast I don't think I've ever been interviewed and gotten that emotional. 04:09.82 Dr_ Placebo Whoa. 04:14.54 Dr_ Placebo Whoo. 04:19.92 Dr_ Placebo Woo Whoa. Oh. 04:25.11 mikebledsoe And um, yeah I really just I but basically I covered the year of 2017 for me and I didn't go through the whole year in detail but I went through the the thing a lot of the stuff that you know it's a good story. So I recommend anyone go listen to that. Um. 04:45.43 mikebledsoe Ah, do weightlifting dot com and you click on the podcasts. Ah and it was.. It was so emotional and it brought up. You know? Ah, Ah, you know if I could label the emotions. It was just there were it was just ah, a constant flow so much. So like I don't think I felt my emotions that deeply for that period that extended period of time in a very long time and when I got off the show. My fiance she she went off to dinner with a friend of hers. So I go sit in the sauna afterwards and meditate and just Sawa and cold plunge and then came home and got in bed and it. It occurred to me I was like this story that this story of 2017 is there's so many lessons that I learned that I really a lot of times I share the lessons in a very straightforward way but not in. But I could be sharing it from a place of storytelling which as you know that's the best way to get a point across is if you can embed it in a story. 05:52.98 Dr_ Placebo So. 06:00.80 Dr_ Placebo We need an arc with no arc no one care. No one cares without an arc. It might be true. It might be correct, but no one cares and that's been ah that's been something that I have hardly capitalized on much. 06:03.72 mikebledsoe Yeah, so no one cares. 06:17.43 Dr_ Placebo Because I don't care about the story interestingly enough I just want the I want the bullet points I want them in the correct sequence and I want as little fluff as possible but that's just not how people work. 06:23.76 mikebledsoe I yeah. 06:34.10 mikebledsoe No yeah mean we live by narratives and archetypes and archetypes is even a narrative about a type of person and ah you know? And yeah, so in in the world of you know speakers you know. 06:35.16 Dr_ Placebo The. 06:51.61 mikebledsoe I know you know this is every great speaker has got their keynote story and speakers that have been around for a long time people who get on stage. They'll have 2 or 3 depending on the situation and I've had so many I've had like so many they. So. 06:55.80 Dr_ Placebo A good. 07:10.83 mikebledsoe Speaking Coaches Love targeting me as a client they're like okay you know you're you're good on Stage. You're good at telling stories all this but you haven't really honed in on a story that converts people into a product that you're selling or a service. Or whatever and I go Yeah, you know, ah all the greats. The people who can sell a lot. They do it through storytelling and I've tried different stories and nothing really nothing really stuck. Nothing was super powerful and. 07:48.58 mikebledsoe I'm in bed last night and I'm I'm simply in the fields of my feelings and emergency goes. Oh that's that's the story. You should tell because these guys were on the edge of their seat at the end they were blown away they were it was it was obvious it was and I had never told the story in. 07:56.13 Dr_ Placebo Are. 08:07.62 mikebledsoe That much detail before on a podcast partly because lawsuits are a part of it and ah you know while lawsuits are going on. You can't go around telling stories about it. But it's ah. 08:19.40 Dr_ Placebo Um I would check with someone who knows these things rather than your hunch. 08:23.37 mikebledsoe I Think enough time has passed I think I'm okay. 08:31.30 mikebledsoe Ah I'm pretty sure. Um, yeah, the contract said something about 3 years and it's been more than three years. So I'm not too worried about it. 08:42.63 Dr_ Placebo Yeah, it's Interesting. You mentioned that because I find I know I'm in the minority but I find ah nothing ah less genuine and more fake when I see a speaker going through this big personal story. I'm like I I want to go like I know what you're trying to do. Can you stop it. You're annoying me like I came here to learn something and if you give me this long thing about your life I'm only going to leave. Basically so I I I know I'm in the minority. Um, with with that. But I mean. 09:02.81 mikebledsoe Okay, yeah. 09:12.55 mikebledsoe You are. 09:17.76 Dr_ Placebo Really successful guys. Ah, really do like Tug the heartstrings they play they play a crowd like a fiddle and it's quite a cool skill. But if I'm in the crowd I I like start to hate that person almost and I hate that person that's too strong but it makes me. 09:30.94 mikebledsoe Yeah there. 09:36.60 Dr_ Placebo It makes me ah feel less connected to them because I know that they're not doing this to provide a service they're doing this to like puff up their character right? who. 09:48.20 mikebledsoe Right? right? Yeah I mean um I think you and I are like in that way and that might be why we avoid you know, telling that story and um. 09:54.98 Dr_ Placebo It depends on what message you're trying to convey to right? like it's possible to tell a good story without making it about yourself right? You can talk about like. 10:08.66 mikebledsoe Um, yeah. 10:12.65 Dr_ Placebo Costs and benefits and consequences and archetypes without telling a 20 minute personal story during a 30 minute lecture 10:21.35 mikebledsoe Well one of the most popular one of the most popular books on leadership a couple years ago was extreme ownership and I don't know if you read that is by Jocko willing and the entire the there's like ah a paragraph that gives the lesson embedded in. 10:28.43 Dr_ Placebo Yeah I did. 10:37.93 Dr_ Placebo These war stories. It's worst. It's war stories and I was like what what? yeah. 10:39.20 mikebledsoe this this story it's all war stories war stories with like ah like you could you could have gotten the point in like 2 pages the entire book. But it's buried in all these war stories and everyone loved it and I was like I like I was it was okay. 10:54.25 Dr_ Placebo I Find that? yeah well, what's funny is um, like I I don't like the book I think he is a really interesting character and it's the perfect example. Of who you want to lead a team of killers like but but is that who I want to emulate in my personal life as a leader and it's like I don't think so you know there are qualities that you can pick and choose and that's why it's so tricky to. 11:13.20 mikebledsoe Yes. 11:21.66 mikebledsoe Right. 11:30.89 Dr_ Placebo Pick someone to emulate consciously or subconsciously because you're only ah seeing a window into their life and you may not want their life. Um, right. 11:40.31 mikebledsoe Well in addition to that I mean you referred to dwayne the Rock Johnson in that regard before I think even on the last show but the the and I agree with the Jocko thing there was there were. 11:50.95 Dr_ Placebo That's my go to. 11:56.52 mikebledsoe There were certain things about that book and his attitude that just don't don't jive with me either and it's always been funny because people people are like oh my God It was so good I'm like well what parts are like all of it I'm like ah maybe not all of it. But some of it was Good. Um. And it because we do. We do need to be careful about who we model and. 12:21.57 Dr_ Placebo We're supposed to think that the books are good sometimes sometimes you're just supposed to think a book is good like my ah my friend was really kind. She got me a Tony Robbins book ah his newest who is his newest one life force. 12:33.64 mikebledsoe I who. 12:37.66 Dr_ Placebo Um, and before you think this is a plug This is the opposite of a plug. Whatever I'm about to do right now I was like I was it was fucking unreadable. It was so embarrassing like it was a giant infomercial of widgets that he's invested into. 12:41.84 mikebledsoe Ah me. But. 12:49.41 mikebledsoe A. 12:57.47 Dr_ Placebo Very unclear, very superficial, hardly practical, really like off the-wall shit that applies to nobody I Fucking hated it and of course I told my friend this too I told my friend this I was like that's one of the worst books about health that I think I've ever Read. It was hard to Read. It wasn't Useful. It wasn't simple. It wasn't clear but I really appreciate the gift. You know what? I mean like don't like hey I I Really appreciate that someone would buy a book for me I Think that's really nice but I don't have to like it just because. 13:25.97 mikebledsoe Ah, good effort. 13:36.43 Dr_ Placebo Um, you're supposed to like it and I think that happens quite a lot and. 13:39.62 mikebledsoe Well, you're gonna be my editor for my book. So it's gonna it's gonna have to pass the the max shank Sniff test. 13:47.69 Dr_ Placebo Ah, oh dude, ah call me the copy doced. Yeah copy doctor a doctor the copy up I'm I'm great I'm great at that sort of thing. 13:50.91 mikebledsoe The what the copy Doc Oh okay, all right, all right? Perfect Oh perfect, all right look at that look at that folks. We finally agreed to do something outside of the podcast. So. 14:04.44 Dr_ Placebo Oh perfect. 14:10.16 mikebledsoe Ah, well you brought up something interesting and because ah we are we learn through modeling but we also have anti-models and there are people that we don't want to be like and we got to be ah, equally careful of that. So. There's a number Tony Robbins would fall in this category right? Maybe maybe for you I'm the same way I've never. 14:34.73 Dr_ Placebo I Think he does some great stuff by the way I think there are people that he legitimately helps so much and I think that's fantastic and I think that book was awful. 14:42.98 mikebledsoe I agree. Yeah well I think his style overall is just not for me I don't think you're going to find max and I and a crowd of 10000 people you know psyching ourselves up. It's just not kind of not going to happen and we don't need that we're we're past that. 14:53.93 Dr_ Placebo Woo Totally right? Hey people like different things. 15:01.96 mikebledsoe And people like different things but we're not going to model Tony Robbins you're you're not going to find max or I on stage. You know, screaming at people and getting them pumped up with music and jumping around and it's just not going to happen. And we should. We should just do it just to just a fuck with people like. 15:20.32 Dr_ Placebo Cut to a year we're both on stage with headsets on. Are you guys ready to do fire breathing and then ah. 15:32.28 Dr_ Placebo I would do I would do a fake one I would I would do a fake one and just ah play a character I think that would be hilarious. 15:37.80 mikebledsoe Too bad We don't live in the same town Anymore. We can make a bunch of Spoofs about personal development programs. But ah, we got to be equally Careful. So ah, you know I don't think I shared this with you privately. But I didn't share this On. Podcast and I'll I'll share it I won't mention who this person is but I was hanging out with this person and they refused to wear a seatbelt why because they were because there's a law that says they're supposed to so they just don't want to do it and then the same person. 16:13.64 Dr_ Placebo Rebel without a cause sure. 16:15.25 mikebledsoe Ribble without a cause and the same person opens up their mail at the house opens it up. There's a picture of a license plate and saying you were speeding in the zone or whatever he rips it in half throws in the garbage can he's a god that's the thirteenth one this year and. Ah, and you know I I don't disagree I would handle that differently. But there's a lot of like really easy easy legal ways of getting out of traffic tickets that involve automatic cameras. They pretty much have. You pretty you challenge it at all and they have to drop it because nobody caught you in the act. So ah, the the point is is a lot of times people who who are the rebel without a cause they just rebelling so they they may find some. We could say some people just rebellious in nature like I'm I'm very rebellious you're rebellious I can tell you that you you don't match the status quo heartily at all and yeah, and. 17:18.57 Dr_ Placebo But only because they're really Ill like if they were healthy I would like I I don't even really want to be a rebel I Just want to get a good result. But. 17:26.76 mikebledsoe But to be. Yeah, you're selective right? And so I remember you know I'm in the car with the person and they're not wearing their seatbelt I'm like why you know why didn you put on the seatbelt like yeah, that and I go Well, you know it's it's you're following in the same trap of lack of critical thinking. 17:48.68 Dr_ Placebo Oh. 17:49.85 mikebledsoe You don't want to be like this person so you don't do anything like that person does it like ah Tony Robbins like you were saying there are some aspects of his life that should definitely be emulated. But if you go look I don't like Tony Robbins I'm not can do anything and this is a lot of people and people general. 18:00.13 Dr_ Placebo Yep. 18:07.15 Dr_ Placebo So it's the devil. 18:07.59 mikebledsoe A lot of times generalize this to say wealthy people. Oh I don't wanna be like I don't want to be like that greedy rich guy. So I'm not gonna have any money I'm like you know you can have money without being greedy right? like there's and there's collapsed distinctions in there but you gotta be careful about. 18:20.98 Dr_ Placebo Right? Yep I know Yep, it's the same ah like God and the devil ad hommonym appeal to authority thing. 18:27.37 mikebledsoe Who you're modeling and then who you're anti-modeling. 18:36.32 mikebledsoe Um, yeah, um. 18:36.94 Dr_ Placebo Over and over like if you dislike somebody personally and that causes you to ignore the lesson they have that would help you then you're an idiot you're you're overly emotional and you're conflating this personality that you don't like. Thinking that they are wrong and that's just simply not the case right? You have to be able to dislike somebody and still be able to use your logic to determine whether they're right about something or not and I've had plenty of opportunity to do this because ah, especially. In ah like the copywriting world right? like there's there's a supreme emphasis on exaggerating the truth and maybe even being like a bit of an egomaniac and so those are traits that I really dislike personally and there are even people. 19:18.11 mikebledsoe Um. 19:33.63 Dr_ Placebo That I dislike personally but I still want to take the um the idea separate from the individual. It's like ah is Bill Cosby still funny yes absolutely fucking. Hilarious 1 of the best comedians of all time and whether you think he is ah guilty of certain crimes or not should be irrelevant to the comedy. Um, and this is not a popular take by the way I'm not going to win any friends with this. Idea. Ah okay I think people like ah Bill Cosby less than hitler somehow even though it's entirely possible that the guy was completely set up which is crazy to think about you know, speaking of all that I think it's so funny. 20:08.60 mikebledsoe Um, I'm going to follow it up with a hitler one. So we'll just lose everybody. 20:21.27 mikebledsoe Yeah Trump. 20:27.20 Dr_ Placebo That we we collectively kind of watch the news and we see something or we hear something we're like whoa how did that happen and then we watch a movie and we go whoa. That's amazing. So realistic and we never think that some of those movie people would. Like create some news like if you're directing a movie. You're organizing thousands of people, computer programmers actors extras camera people and it's like you think these ah geniuses of illusion. Never fabricate some sort of reality of. 20:48.91 mikebledsoe No, ah. 21:05.31 Dr_ Placebo Of course they do is. It's very. It's very interesting. How quick we are to throw people under the bus just because ah he said she said kind of thing. 21:13.40 mikebledsoe Yeah, that's absolutely right? Yeah, the the I would say the movie. What's happening in movie theaterore and what's happening in the news is is very much alike I think there's tons of crossover there I mean it what this is. 21:28.87 Dr_ Placebo Of course, there's incentive to do So What do we? What do we know? if there is an incentive and opportunity it happens like there's enough people that if there's incentive and opportunity. It's happening. You don't have to like it. But that's what's happening. 21:36.50 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 21:44.67 mikebledsoe Yeah, there's I'm gonna go into like conspiracy theory land a bit but that but there's there's actual evidence of cia being involved in hollywood in the early stages of of Hollywood coming around. Um. 21:46.43 Dr_ Placebo Are. 21:58.48 Dr_ Placebo If if they weren't They'd be stupid to be the central stupid agency if they weren't using the fucking movies and like I mean are you kidding me like this whole. 22:00.92 mikebledsoe They yeah. 22:08.93 mikebledsoe Ah. 22:12.14 Dr_ Placebo Even the word conspiracy is used as an ad hominem attack when the word conspiracy just means that people meet up in secret everybody people meet up in secret all the fucking time That's like almost all that happens. 22:19.88 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and um, and people have theories about them about these meetings now it and ah even before the cia I mean that's how they drummed up. 22:27.71 Dr_ Placebo No deck. 22:35.18 mikebledsoe Ah, interest or support for the war effort in World War two is they would they would show these they would they would show these hype videos like sizzle reels basically of why you should support the War effort World War Two and. 22:38.52 Dr_ Placebo Oh. 22:51.86 mikebledsoe It worked it hyped everybody up and they use movie theaters for that early on so when you look at what how that was used then and then you look at ah who if you watch the news like so Cbs is probably the worst Cbs Nbc you watching these major news networks. Almost every evening you're going to see them interviewing somebody from the cia or somebody who used to work for the cia or the Fbi or something like that these intelligence agencies have totally got these ah news agencies by the balls. 23:19.54 Dr_ Placebo A. 23:30.74 mikebledsoe Like they they basically get to weave whatever narrative and they desire and people just buy it hook line and sinker and so I bring this up because yeah, the differences between Hollywood and what's happening in the news same thing same people. Ah. 23:34.41 Dr_ Placebo Well. O. 23:47.63 Dr_ Placebo Yeah, no doubt like there's too much incentive and opportunity for that to not be going on I would say it would be foolish to not do that if one of the main goals is to control the domestic population and then. 23:50.16 mikebledsoe Same narratives. 23:56.61 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 24:07.36 Dr_ Placebo Maybe like a secondary goal is ah to defend against foreign invaders because one of them is way more likely to cause a problem actually historically speaking I mean yeah. 24:15.85 mikebledsoe 1 the and the United States that's absolutely true because get waging war on the us is difficult. There's you know two oceans between every yeah, geographically we're positioned really well. There's there's a lot of reasons. 24:25.97 Dr_ Placebo Yeah, there's a lot of reasons lot of reasons. Yeah, you got to watch out for Knida I hear their military has grown to 2000 people I don't know why I'm talking I don't know why I'm talking on Canada. 24:34.42 mikebledsoe Um. 24:38.76 mikebledsoe Sorry Canadian listeners to get fired up. 24:45.18 Dr_ Placebo Like Well what's the point there's it's like ah it's like picking on the small kid that's like hardly fair. Yeah, it's kind of funny I Guess yeah. 24:51.51 mikebledsoe Is got. It's like ah south part in South Bark and the was it Terrence and Philip did you ever watch south part. 25:02.14 Dr_ Placebo I watched ah tons of South Park I actually even caught their ah concert they did to celebrate their ah 25 year ah anniversary um, is on. It's on Youtube they showed the whole thing. It was incredible. 25:08.11 mikebledsoe Did you? Oh I thought you caught it live. 25:16.96 Dr_ Placebo Oh no, no I didn't go live but I did watch it at home. It was fantastic Man it was crazy I mean they got like ah the remaining members from rush to come play. You know they had they had like these serious rock stars like come out of retirement. 25:26.18 mikebledsoe Oh man. 25:34.67 Dr_ Placebo Just so they could play with the guys who made south park and I mean it just shows that what they've created ah goes across all these different genres of art and culture and I think those guys are absolute creative monsters. They played a ton of so it was just those guys are crazy talented crazy motivated. It was a hell of a cool thing to see ah six days to air. Great documentary. Terrific. That's how they stay so current. Meanwhile you know Simpsons. Ah. 25:59.88 mikebledsoe Well they they put the shows together in six days yeah Yeah 26:14.16 Dr_ Placebo Which also ah used to be a great show. Um, they're like six months out basically of what's going on so South Park is always crazy current on what's going on because they ah condense that creative work so much. 26:31.13 mikebledsoe Yeah, my my my favorite south part ever to this date I think I laughed harder on any other one was the ah when they covered the recession 2007 2008 and and when they chopped it. 26:42.57 Dr_ Placebo Oh that was good. So so funny. 26:46.97 mikebledsoe Head off the chicken and let it run around to figure out which who's gonna get bailed out next shit shit sent me over the fucking Moon I was I lost it ugly these people are complete geniuses is this so good. 27:01.42 Dr_ Placebo He's like trying to return a margarita v he's like well what we did is we took your Margaritaville loan and we bundled it together with a bunch of other Margaritaville loans and we traded it on the open market and then we have people betting. On the viability of the payback of those marker. It's like a fucking margarita maker but they're just going through the whole thing. Ah but through the lens of like an overpriced beverage machine is so funny. Those guys are absolute studs anyway, yeah so. 27:26.21 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 27:32.76 Dr_ Placebo Back to conspiracy theories. Ah which are really just ah I Guess it's like ah hypotheses right? It's not like it depends on. 27:42.35 mikebledsoe Right? Well here's the thing is here's the thing is I think we're conspiracy theories people with conspiracy theories get in trouble is when they believe them ah or people who hear conspiracy theory they believe it and it's as if they forget the theory part. And ah, you know there's you know who people are treating like conspiracy facts or conspiracy truth or whatever you want to call it and that's it's it's funny I get sometimes I'll meet somebody who's way into that I'm like like.. What do you believe? I'm like dude I have a hard time believing my own thoughts most of the time let alone some really complicated explanation of how we got this result and somehow you've connected all these dots. 28:27.26 Dr_ Placebo A. 28:34.74 mikebledsoe That are this infinite amount of information and go I know who the bad actorress I'm like oh I don't fucking know but I I do know who to avoid though. 28:41.80 Dr_ Placebo You know what? I think about all this I think that well when when I think about this sort of thing because I I try to use the scientific method which is not ah science tm it's the scientific method. Which is ah see guess test and record right? And if you're really being scientific about things. It really means you're using the scientific method and one of my favorite examples of abandoning the scientific method. Is by people who are atheists. This is a very very funny thing to me because in order to be an atheist the definition of an atheist. Is you believe there is no god certainly but what's funny is that is so far. Equally unproven as the fact is there are 1 or more gods now once again, it depends on your definition of god if you say god is something you believe without proof then there are ah you know certain gods available. Some people could say that money fiat money. Which is faith money is a type of god based on your semantic definition. But what's funny to me is that atheism is a religion of there is definitely no god meaning it is having faith that there is 0 gods. 30:16.86 Dr_ Placebo And religion is a faith based on. There is 1 or more gods. But if you are truly scientific about it. They are both equally invalid because the burden of proof should be on the one who's trying to prove it. So to me atheism is the absolute funniest religion because it's just based on elitism of I'm too smart to believe in 1 or more gods. But I'm also but that's what I'm saying. It's ah it's a cult. 30:41.50 mikebledsoe Well I think a lot of people just that they claim it because they don't want to appear stupid. Yeah. 30:50.28 Dr_ Placebo Of I'm smart. It has no bearing on science whatsoever agnostic is perfectly reasonable but atheism is ah like super unscientific right? So just because no one has proven. There is 1 or more gods doesn't. 31:02.36 mikebledsoe Yeah. 31:09.83 Dr_ Placebo Mean that there is definitely no gods. So it's ah it's like the funniest tribalistic religion that claims to be scientific, but their proof that there is no god is just as scientific as the proof that there is 1 or more which is zilch. If we're talking about the scientific method and that's what's so funny to me. So it's that my favorite example is that atheism is a religion also with no proof and so like like it's it's great. 31:43.30 mikebledsoe Yeah, there's I think there's a ah Terrence Mckenna quote and he he says something. Ah I'm not gonna quote it exactly but basically take a a scientific based sciencebased atheist and. 31:44.77 Dr_ Placebo You. Oh. 32:00.98 mikebledsoe To explain how the world started and it's like look you just give me 1 single miracle and I can explain everything else and it's like oh yeah, so you kind of stuck there. 32:07.90 Dr_ Placebo Right. 32:15.95 Dr_ Placebo Ah, totally even the name is very funny. The big bang that it's like the least scientific ah label I've ever heard. There was a it. It sounds like a a fucking ah ah, primitive tribe. 32:21.47 mikebledsoe Yeah, it's um. 32:33.90 Dr_ Placebo Trying to explain lightning or the sun. First there was a big boom and then there was fire. 32:34.12 mikebledsoe Well. 32:41.51 mikebledsoe Um, as you're you're so spot on so well we got this new telescope out there supposedly I don't know what to believe anymore. Um, probably cgi. Well you you know about the new telescope they put out there that makes the hubble. It's like 20 32:49.88 Dr_ Placebo I Think telescopes are awesome I Well I I I totally telescopes are cool telescopes and microscopes are. 32:58.47 mikebledsoe I Forget how many more times more powerful than the hubble it is but. 33:06.81 Dr_ Placebo Incredibly cool. 33:08.71 mikebledsoe So cool. So um I guess that all these scientists are questioning themselves now they these astrolog astronomers now astrologists astronomers. Um. 33:19.35 Dr_ Placebo K five. 33:25.48 mikebledsoe They're questioning everything because they're looking out there and going oh is the universe contracting and they're doing their job. So but here's. 33:31.70 Dr_ Placebo Wait They're questioning everything. Do you mean? they're doing science. 33:43.50 mikebledsoe I Mean we've already talked about this the scientific community at large is primarily filled with institutional thinking you know and ah yeah, so like I think some of these scientists are having you know existential crises at this moment is what it sounds like. 33:45.82 Dr_ Placebo Um, ah so it's a it's a little religion. It's a little religion. Yeah. 34:01.84 mikebledsoe Because the the new findings put the big bang in question and now they're going. Well we got to find an answer and it's interesting how we as humans. It's like we need to have some type of ah there's this desire to to ah Certainty. It's like if you. If you're an atheist or you're a Christian or you're a muslim or whatever it is. There's a level of certainty that's being clung to and that creates ah safety. So if I can come in the room and I can create certainty in the room then people feel safe and they. Their nervous system calms down and. 34:42.51 Dr_ Placebo That's why people make bomb shelters and and hide away bunkers. It's because there's a natural tendency to expand your sphere of control and um. So that that is a hunger that can never be totally filled because you're always going to find some new thing further as you project into the future. So. The only path is some acceptance right? But if you're a hardcore control freak and you must know and you must have certainty. Then there's no end to the certainty because then you'll be like okay, what about 10 years from now. Okay, what about 15 years from now. Okay, what about 50 years from now. Okay, what about my great-great-grandchildren how do I make sure that they survive to be 1000 years old and. 35:31.58 mikebledsoe Yeah, well, it's interesting. You bring that up the so we think about certainty and we're we're talking about how the universe started people are desiring to have certainty around that so they either choose a religion that has a story about how it started or. 35:32.70 Dr_ Placebo There's no end to it. 35:47.45 Dr_ Placebo Um, how nice that they don't have any real problems. 35:51.22 mikebledsoe Which which I I really like I really like ah yeah I like and I really like a lot of ah religious genesis stories because there's so many metaphors in these genesis stories around language and basically. 36:09.88 Dr_ Placebo Um, in the beginning there was the word and the word was god. 36:09.99 mikebledsoe Ah, the the exactly and so yeah and if you if you it's so easy I remember being a kid and hearing that and I go I don't know what the hell that means and. All right? So then he created Adam and then he created the mountains and the earth and oceans and all the ship in the the birds and the fishes and um, it's really like the way I read that now is it's um, it's a metaphor for consciousness. 36:28.41 Dr_ Placebo Right. 36:42.33 mikebledsoe Consciousness came online for human beings when language came online. Oh I now have a word for this and this word separates me from the from God the natural world and when when read that way. It makes a lot more sense to me. But when some. 36:45.15 Dr_ Placebo Oh. 36:57.72 Dr_ Placebo To me God is the genesis of an idea like that's why they say ah you know the word is God and God is the word is that that's the genesis of an idea. So ah, interestingly enough by that logic God is in fact, real. It's just been made by man just like logic is real and it's also a God Basically an idea that's been invented by man. Yeah. 37:24.78 mikebledsoe Well the well the idea the idea that um was it men don't have ideas ideas have men. Ah who that that's ah man was that voltaire not quite. 37:30.73 Dr_ Placebo Yeah, yeah. 37:37.64 Dr_ Placebo I think that was ah max shank who said that actually I'm just going to misattributing all these baller quotes from like many centuries ago and they'll be like wasn't that Plato I was like no that was me. 37:41.55 mikebledsoe Um, so ah, the a did I I. 37:55.31 Dr_ Placebo Because no one will no one will follow up very few people. 37:59.22 mikebledsoe I love posting really like I'll come across a quote and I'll put it on Twitter and then one out of 10 times I was like you know that's normally attributed to Martin Luther King Junior however it was really said by so I'm like get the fuck out of here focus focus on the quote. Don't worry about where it came from. 38:12.43 Dr_ Placebo Yeah I used to be like that too I used to be totally. Ah well my favorite quote is what's more important the quote or the quoter and that's ah my quote which is fucking hilarious I think because does it really matter who said it and what's funny. Is it. 38:24.97 mikebledsoe Ah, oh. 38:30.16 Dr_ Placebo Does it does a lot of the time sometimes there's a great quote from like an unknown monk in ah, 1500 Bc or something like that or 500 a d or whatever and people are like oh that's really cool but that would be the easiest quote to poach. 38:49.00 mikebledsoe Right? Like you know or you know the and Chinese proverb unknown um know yeah and you know that who you're quoting a context matters. So you know if it's a quote. Yeah, but. 38:52.78 Dr_ Placebo Right? right. 39:01.32 Dr_ Placebo The appeal to Authority That's God Also so God is the genesis of an idea. It's a word. It's a new idea and it's also um, that appeal to an authority. It's ah like a focal point. 39:11.28 mikebledsoe Well are are you coming? Are you coming at this from the perspective that that people create thoughts or ideas. 39:23.61 Dr_ Placebo Um, that's a good question I I believe that ah the thoughts that people have are a combination or permutation of what they have experienced. So. If you put a human being in a vacuum and just gave it food. It wouldn't learn. Ah how to speak it wouldn't learn language so it's just some sort of um. Synthesis or combination or permutation of everything that you are aware of and that's why the idea of having like the genesis of language at all is very interesting and there's a specificity of language. That occurs in many different animals like dolphins and orca have different languages or at least Orca have different languages based on the pod or the family that they're a part of ah green monkeys can lie and say look out. There's a hawk or and we don't know if it. It means hawk or if it just means danger from above but they have distinct calls for danger from above or danger from low below and what they'll do is they will lie. So like if you have a banana I'll say look out a hawk in green monkey language and you'll look out for the hawk and then I'll snatch your. 40:38.97 mikebledsoe A. 40:51.33 Dr_ Placebo Ah, your your banana right? So like it's literally the oldest trick in the book which is look over there while I Rob you so so language ah is I I think um the genesis of some ideas. But. 40:57.26 mikebledsoe Yeah, so. 41:08.71 Dr_ Placebo You know a polar bear may not have language but it can still plan a spider doesn't have language but it can still plan out an attack where it will like walk around and jump around until they're above their prey and then dangle themselves down mission Impossible style. So. 41:23.92 mikebledsoe Well well the question I got to ask next is so are are you I find there's 2 camps. There's one camp which is the most popular camp which is. The the materialistic view which is ah consciousness is a byproduct of biology like the biology exists not is what makes consciousness possible or is our. 41:51.49 Dr_ Placebo Um. 41:56.59 Dr_ Placebo And. 41:57.93 mikebledsoe Is physical matter a ah ah manifestation of consciousness. 42:05.38 Dr_ Placebo Um, you know that's a I knew that's the question you were going to ask actually? um, ah fortunately I have the exact correct answer which is ah how could I know? Ah, it's like ah I. 42:15.78 mikebledsoe Ooh. 42:21.20 Dr_ Placebo I can think so does that mean I am so is it I think therefore I am or I am therefore I think basically so our sensory ah Organs influence the way we interpret the world. 42:28.17 mikebledsoe Right. 42:40.26 Dr_ Placebo as well as um the the influence of our surroundings like in Africa there's way more words for green because the distinction between different plants is a little more important different words for snow in the inuit tribes. Because that distinction is way more important for survival. Um, whether you are ah, an animal having ah an experience of consciousness or whether you are a consciousness who has called yourself an animal is sort of like a chicken or the egg type of situation. My. My personal perspective is that the I that I refer to as I is um, basically a fabrication of our culture so without these ideas of. Names and things like that you would just be an animal and all animals have some level of consciousness ah mushrooms have some level of consciousness. It's it's a different level of consciousness than a human being. But the fact that they can you know send information miles across a web of mycelium as soon as they figure out how to digest a certain type of material like the biggest living organism is actually a mycelium I think it's an Oregon. 44:11.64 Dr_ Placebo And it's several square miles in size which is pretty cool and what'll happen is they'll encounter a material that they can't digest figure out a way to digest it and that information that signal will get sent all the way across the mycelium. 44:14.54 mikebledsoe Yeah. 44:29.63 Dr_ Placebo To the other side and then they'll start being able to digest that material whether that's like some sort of rocky mineral or ah or what have you? Ah so different animals and fungi have different levels of consciousness but ah just like the. Story of of God or no God or these gods or those gods. That's that's our invention. 44:57.47 mikebledsoe Yeah, the um, the perspective I I tend to hold is consciousness creates. There's when I when I went through the hermetic principles. The first principle is that everything is of mind and ah. The idea is that ah everything everything occurs in the mind first and when I when I'm holding that perspective I I find that to be the most useful I don't know which one is true and. 45:31.88 Dr_ Placebo And. 45:34.10 mikebledsoe Like you had said, there's no way to know. Um, you know I I think some people have had some experiences that would have them really believe one way or another for me personally I find it to be more useful to ah to be of the. Belief that consciousness is creating everything it to me. It makes everything a little more malleable and if I believe that anything could be changed through thought. Ah then. 46:10.40 mikebledsoe Then that that seems much more powerful to me and. 46:14.32 Dr_ Placebo There's a great book by Richard Bachman called illusions that I really like it kind of talks about that. How you you know like ah the only reason you can't swim through the earth and stand on the water is because of your belief in the illusion. 46:18.25 mikebledsoe I've read that? yeah. 46:30.80 mikebledsoe Well here's the thing is okay so I the way I see is you don't have a separate mind that I have there's one mind we all share it. You just have different you just you just? yes, you just. 46:30.87 Dr_ Placebo That it can only work a certain way. 46:42.87 Dr_ Placebo For humans humans only so one species has one hive mind. Basically yeah. 46:52.15 mikebledsoe Yeah, we have a certain filter. Um, you know what? I'm gonna have to sit with that one I'm gonna go back and sit with that that question ah because they animals just may have the filter. So the way I see is we share the same mind Consciousness is expanding. 46:59.74 Dr_ Placebo And. 47:09.81 mikebledsoe Um, the universe is doing its thing and um may Ornet may not be expanding I'm sure it goes through expansions and contractions just like everything else. Another hermetic print principle being as above so below and. 47:21.46 Dr_ Placebo How could we measure. 47:27.20 mikebledsoe We can measure it to a point. But yeah, once you get out there. It's not going to happen. Ah so ah, we all have like this super mind and this is why a lot of the same ideas occur to people around the planet simultaneously or they've done studies with rats where. They're teaching them something in a lab in France and then a lab in Alaska they see those rats be able to solve whatever puzzle that was taught to the rats in France and so you know there they never so met they stayed in those locations. There was no. 47:53.45 Dr_ Placebo M. 48:03.33 mikebledsoe No communication between the two that we we would know about and yet they still do that So there. There are some I don't of I would call it ah evidence for it. But there's definitely correlative evidence for that argument and so I really like to think about it as like. These aren't even my thoughts I'm not these are thoughts that are flowing through me and my filter is allowing me to have you know certain thoughts where I'm allowing those thoughts to come and go and so I become a lot less attached to like this is even mine I get a conversation with someone we're having where brainstorming. It's like. This isn't really my thought it's not your thought it's you know it's this is just a thing that's happening right Now. So I like the thing about it like that and I find that to be ah the most useful there's another point I was going? yeah. 48:49.32 Dr_ Placebo Ah. 48:57.34 Dr_ Placebo It makes you sound pretty cool Either way I but I think so ah yeah, it's like ah I I don't think you're using it that way. But it's funny because it's kind of like. 49:01.28 mikebledsoe Does it perfect. That's what I was going for I mean that's the real use utility here. 49:14.95 Dr_ Placebo Kind of like the coolness factor is apathy. So the super enlightened factor is it's not about me man. It's just about you know the collective. Whatever's going I'm just a conduit I'm just a channel for what's happening now there there is no me man and you're like fuck that guy sounds really cool. 49:25.33 mikebledsoe Yeah. 49:33.24 Dr_ Placebo And then what ends up happening is the guy's like fuck. Maybe I am really cool and then it it comes like crashing down and I've experienced that personally a few times myself where I'm like oh man I'm really just like you know I'm I am I'm in it. It's not. There's no me I'm just like. 49:40.90 mikebledsoe Um, be. 49:52.95 Dr_ Placebo It's all happening right now and I'm a big part of it and then I go fuck I think I must be pretty enlightened and then just fucking back to the basement like shoots and ladders all the way back to level 1 49:58.48 mikebledsoe Yeah, the the prop the problem is when you get credit for it. That's that's when it happens someone else gives you credit you give yourself credit and then yeah, then it all just falls at pieces. 50:06.65 Dr_ Placebo Well, that's what. 50:14.14 Dr_ Placebo Well and that's also like the the bane of the guru like I was talking um talking with my buddy Brian this morning. Um I know I was well I was talking to him. But yesterday I was talking to ah another gal who works with me Victoria and she got me this lovely book. Ah, that I haven't read yet. Just got it for me wrote a really nice note in it. Ah and I was like oh man, that's so nice and it's by brene brown and brene brown is one of those people who if you're a lady you have to think she's awesome and. I think she is I think she's got a ton of really good ideas. But I think um as you embody the guru more and more you have to create more stuff so you have to muddy the waters a little bit otherwise you sound like what people call a broken record. So what I notice. Is that someone will have a few fantastic idea and I don't know I haven't read the book. It could be like life changing best book I've ever read. But if a pert. 51:18.31 mikebledsoe Rene Brown is good but to me falls into a similar categories Tony Robbins there's some good stuff in there. But if you dig further beyond the self-love conversation. She gets look. She's an expert in 1 thing and. And think she got lost in some other stuff. 51:35.24 Dr_ Placebo So selling herself right? And that's what I'm talking about with guruism like you have people with good ideas like Jocko. Ah good ideas. But there's a hunger for more and people are like guru. Ah please tell tell me what. Tell me the truth illuminate the way and if the guru says I already did it fits on an index card like I'm done like go do the thing I said people are like I think I'll find a new guru and they're like wait a second I just thought of something in fact, in. 51:57.77 mikebledsoe Yeah. 52:08.50 mikebledsoe I got bills to pay. Ah. 52:11.00 Dr_ Placebo In fact, it's even it's even better than what I taught you before. In fact, this secret I Just I just unveiled and you know so like the that's what I mean with like the bane of the guru is now you have embodied the guru. And I felt that happen to myself which is why I just fucking vanished off the face of the internet for several years and people are like what what totally totally man. 52:34.54 mikebledsoe As you're as you're talking about this. Um I relate completely because I I kind of I fell off as well. Yeah, it was like it's like oh I got to keep making shit up. Ah life is actually pretty good. It's pretty simple, pretty straightforward. 52:45.86 Dr_ Placebo I Wrote 200 plus articles about exercise I Taught 200 seminars all over the world I wrote all these books and video courses and they're excellent by the way like my latest couple primal athleticism and elasticity available on maxshank.com Are so good. They're They're really good. But also if you are having to keep pace with some sort of artificially imposed ah like guruism you're going to muddy the waters a little too much and that's. Um I don't know other than repeating yourself a lot if there is a way to avoid that because there's definitely a hunger and a thirst for knowledge and if you have embodied the characteristics or the character. The avatar of the guru. There's There's definitely a pressure to to make more of this this thing than there actually needs to be. 53:43.48 mikebledsoe But me. 53:50.60 mikebledsoe Yeah, well um, think of my friend Jesse Elder who's amazing. Love that guy and so inspired by his creativity and he tends to attract hit huh. 54:07.11 Dr_ Placebo Here comes here. It comes. Ah. 54:07.94 mikebledsoe But he had. He's very good at attracting a crowd and he's got that guru vibe goinglling on and the thing that impresses me with him is when I met him in 2014 he was just getting started on the like speaking gig thing. 54:12.97 Dr_ Placebo So ah. 54:23.49 Dr_ Placebo Um. 54:24.94 mikebledsoe And what he was talking about then and what he's talking about now is very much the same but he's so good at creating new context and and weaving together stories to bring people in so like it's it's he he really has gotten it to some core truths and he's really good at. 54:38.74 Dr_ Placebo Whoa. 54:44.85 mikebledsoe Ah, communicating it. But what I'm most impressed with is is a ability to communicate those in a way that people can receive has continuously improved over the years and I love seeing you know I'll see him speak and then three months later seem to speak again and he's cleaned it up or he's tightened it up or he's. 55:02.41 Dr_ Placebo Yeah. 55:04.37 mikebledsoe Ah, or he's using a new analogy to get the point across like guy. He's like oh now he's nailing it now. He's nailing it. It's almost like watching you know a comic you know, develop a routine over a year yeah it's like the first show you're like yeah, it's a little clunky and then by the time they're on Netflix special. it's it's tight 55:09.85 Dr_ Placebo Who hone their routine. It's magic. 55:24.50 mikebledsoe So I think that there's I think there's ah that impresses me and I really like that. So there's that's somebody who does have he doesn't I don't think he tries to be a guru but he definitely has you know people people follow him like. 55:27.13 Dr_ Placebo Whoa. 55:34.36 Dr_ Placebo Oh. 55:43.60 mikebledsoe Cult Leader style. 55:43.21 Dr_ Placebo And that's what will happen if you get better and better at transmitting ideas right? is you will You will attract a crowd and so it's like can you maintain that integrity without the crowd. 55:48.34 mikebledsoe Yeah. 55:59.52 Dr_ Placebo Transforming you into something different like I saw this great video the other day by this Youtube channel after school and it showed this ah transformation of this kid who was like a violin prodigy and then he turned into this guy who just. Eats tons of food like he challenges himself. So the guy gained like hundreds of pounds of fat. He oh dude. So it's like 1 of the most recent after school videos Skool and it goes through this like no one cared that he was ah. 56:22.31 mikebledsoe What. 56:36.21 Dr_ Placebo A Violin prodigy but he like ate a big meal once and people were like yeah we like that and so he he was transformed by by the audience because they were craving something else and he's like okay I'll I'll just be that right. 56:51.38 mikebledsoe Or he's craving validation are you? Oh you're gonna validate me. Yeah, we want to be loved. 56:56.51 Dr_ Placebo Aren't we all We want to be Loved. We want. What do we want? um attention power Love mostly we want Love if we can't get Love. We'll settle for power if we can't get Power. We'll settle for attention and if you ah aren't getting the attention you want. And then you do something and suddenly you are oh look out that's temptation big time like I used to get ah like high fives and praise and people would even applaud if I could drink the most poison in college like if I could drink a ah. An alcoholic beverage Really fast. So before I knew what was going on I'm taking like 4 lokos and shotgunning them before ten a M because everyone's like Wow What a what a tough cool guy you are and I I Really liked that positive feedback. So yeah, it's.. It's easy to see why people go down certain paths because these ah these base desires for love power attention ah are almost impossible to avoid. 58:10.55 mikebledsoe Well that that makes me think about my my fitness career and I remember I was I was fifteen years I was like well I had like um. 58:15.49 Dr_ Placebo Me too I talk about that all the time. 58:24.23 mikebledsoe I didn't feel like I was getting love. So yeah, maybe it was attention but the what ended up happening is I remember I couldn't I couldn't wait till my fifteenth birthday because on my fifteenth birthday I was allowed to go to the gym and lift weights because my parents didn't want me to stunt my growth and which we know is all bullshit now. But. 58:39.13 Dr_ Placebo But depends on depends on the level I think if you do gymnastics from age 5 You're probably going to grow less. 58:43.77 mikebledsoe Like a lot mom. 58:50.42 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, so ah, as soon as I turned 15 I started working out all the time. My dad worked construction. He saw that I was basically burning a lot of energy unnecessarily you know wasn't. 58:54.93 Dr_ Placebo O who. What right? right? o. 59:06.26 mikebledsoe And wasn't making any money. Ah, he's used to like yeah pick up heavy shit and walk around and you know we make money when we do it. We're we're being of service and and my perception of how he viewed what I was doing was ah that it was just a ah superficial. Ah, frivolous pursuit and he was like he's like you're never going to make any money. Ah, you're never going to make any money working out and I remember thinking I was like I'll fucking show. You. 59:27.30 Dr_ Placebo Frivolous. 59:36.94 Dr_ Placebo Um, I'll show you dad I'll show you? um oh my God are those like the famous last words I'll show them I'll show all of them. 59:45.80 mikebledsoe Um, and that's what you want to make yourself miserable live like that. So and there were what will ended up happening is I ended up proving him wrong. Um. 59:54.71 Dr_ Placebo Ah, bro. 59:58.53 Dr_ Placebo And. 01:00:01.65 mikebledsoe And but it's not like I only got paid to work out sometimes I was getting paid to work out but I was getting paid for a bunch of other shit too And um, no, that's not true when I was in the Navy I got paid to work out. 01:00:06.44 Dr_ Placebo Yeah, dude, you never got paid to work out though you got paid to like run a company built around people working out you. 01:00:22.13 Dr_ Placebo That's ah like you got paid extra. You didn't get paid to work out motherfucker you got paid to be in the Navy bitch. Basically what I'm saying is your dad was right. 01:00:23.50 mikebledsoe No, no, no I mean it was it was. 01:00:32.97 mikebledsoe Ah, well I'll tell you there there is that I was I was. 01:00:38.20 Dr_ Placebo Your dad was right? That's all I'm saying. 01:00:41.75 mikebledsoe I do remember I was I was nineteen years old I was in I was in coronado I'm running on the beach with a group of guys and all we're doing is you know, swimming running and managing being cold as fuck and that was it and I was like I was like. 01:00:48.10 Dr_ Placebo Oh. 01:01:01.79 mikebledsoe Fucking Did it I'm getting paid to work out and you know it was very short lived Um, because. 01:01:02.41 Dr_ Placebo And also not true. You were basically paid to be a weapon and your exercising was like greasing the barrel and the parts basically like. 01:01:14.92 mikebledsoe Um, you are 100% accurate about that. Yeah I was ah you know, ah, it's so funny like people are like wow thank you know you're a veteran. Oh thank you I'm like um I'm like I'm like as I got duped you know like I got. 01:01:25.35 Dr_ Placebo Thank you for your service. 01:01:35.14 mikebledsoe Like you're like congratulating me for being a ah for getting duped I appreciate it. Yeah I went and basically worked for the the biggest gangsters on the planet. So cool you know? ah I was muscle for the biggest gangsters on the planet for. 01:01:47.53 Dr_ Placebo Um, hey if you're gonna be in a gang be in the toughest one. It's still like. Ah. 01:01:51.85 mikebledsoe Ah, through a period of time being the biggest baddest toughest one and I was so so eat it. 01:01:59.91 Dr_ Placebo It's still the great. It's It's still the great pirates. It's the same shit is still ah the great pirates who has the fastest boats who has the best range. It's ah hilarious. How true that is. 01:02:02.28 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 01:02:08.18 mikebledsoe Totally yeah so it's funny because a number of years ago. Not that long ago I remember I had that memory I go I go oh my god this is about five years ago I was like oh my god is my entire. Fucking career built around that moment where I was going to prove my dad wrong. do I do I really like working out. Ah do I like talking about fitness do I really like these things and the reality is is yeah I do love health and fitness and I i. Find time in the gym almost every day and I enjoy myself in there. It's one way I show myself love and it doesn't play nearly the role it used to There's so many other interests that get play time and then in addition to that i. I'm showing myself love by taking care of my body but I'm not working out for any type of validation from other people anymore. So it's it's caused me to be in a much better spot and dude I probably make less money because I I seek less validation. 01:03:08.31 Dr_ Placebo Yeah I get it. 01:03:21.22 mikebledsoe Ah, if I if I was one of those people I I listen like no like no the Alex warmosi was talking about this in a video. He's basically saying like insecurity is what you need to be a you know 100 millionaire I'm like you might be right because i. 01:03:22.39 Dr_ Placebo You don't have the same motivation to like you don't care like so value. 01:03:38.94 mikebledsoe Have very few insecurities these days and the necessity that. 01:03:42.22 Dr_ Placebo If you don't feel secure if you don't feel secure with $50000000 then a hundred isn't going to make you feel secure. You know what I'm saying like that that's sort of like what I'm talking about is like who's to say that what's right for you is right for me. It's like why? ah like Gary Vaynerchuk 01:03:51.67 mikebledsoe Um, a. 01:03:59.16 mikebledsoe Yeah. 01:04:00.33 Dr_ Placebo Gary Vee that fucking guy that guy to me is out of his god damn mind and he might have a few good ideas like let's not discount it. But. 01:04:08.94 mikebledsoe Ah I'll say he's made improvements over the years his message five years ago versus today has as improved and from what I can see. 01:04:16.60 Dr_ Placebo And that's cool, but like what we said is you know when we see other people we see through a window so we don't see the big. We don't see the whole thing that's going on and there is nothing to cloud our evaluation of it. When we look at ourselves we look into a mirror so we see basically the whole thing and we have our ego in the way. So that's why I say it's harder to look into a a mirror than it is to look through a window but of course that's because you don't see the big picture. You're more objective rather than subjective about the whole thing. But with um, you know these guys who assume this avatar you know they they embody this persona and you're almost caught in a loop where you're it's sort of a sunk cost fallacy you know Gary Vee I got to own the jets. Someday and look for him that might be exactly the right thing. So I don't want to say that that's a bad goal because it's his goal but it's not my goal like I would not trade ah playing tennis and hanging out with my dogs more often. Ah. To sacrifice maybe owning a sports team because to me that's like no extra value. You know what I'm saying so that idea of insecurity will lead you to a hundred million I mean maybe maybe not but like. 01:05:48.19 Dr_ Placebo Why do you want that in the first place is it because you really believe in what you're doing is it because you feel like 10000000 just won't be good enough or 20 or or whatever I mean it's ah it's really a funny thing like how we fall into these patterns. 01:06:00.19 mikebledsoe I I invested in a sports team once to look cool. Yeah yeah, and then the entire league went belly up like two months after I invested and I lost all my money. 01:06:06.17 Dr_ Placebo Really nice. 01:06:16.55 mikebledsoe That I what I felt cool for about three days and I I got like I got like 15 now I would say the highlight this is the highlight. 01:06:16.61 Dr_ Placebo did you feel cool for two months though did you feel cool for two months though did you get any swag like like ah a hat. 01:06:35.50 mikebledsoe Is what $60000 got me by the way is got me about 10 or 15 tickets at Madison square gardens in New York City ah some like front row shit and I got to like. 01:06:42.97 Dr_ Placebo So. 01:06:48.19 mikebledsoe All my all my northeast friends I called him up I was like meet me at Massison You know we're gonna meet at the bar Beforehand have some drinks go watch the teams compete. So like I had ownership in it. It was the grid league. It was that Crossfit Rip off. 01:06:56.30 Dr_ Placebo Ah, what? what? sport. 01:07:05.34 Dr_ Placebo Nice. 01:07:06.80 mikebledsoe And which I think that sport still exists I actually prefer it over c
00:01.66 mikebledsoe Ah, it's been. Ah, it's been a week connected so took last week off and we're doing this a little late this week. So I'm sure we've got plenty of catching up to do. 00:09.20 Dr_ Placebo It feels weird to not talk to you for this long it. It's a part of my way of life now I mean now the only constant in my life is the puppy schedule which I am now strictly adhering to. 00:15.30 mikebledsoe It's it's strange. Yeah. 00:28.90 Dr_ Placebo And. 00:30.30 mikebledsoe Yeah, how's that ah I've heard I remember Tim Ferriss was writing about getting a dog and how that was created like a new level of discipline and grounding in his life. Are you experiencing something similar. 00:36.28 Dr_ Placebo But. 00:43.14 Dr_ Placebo Totally I was even talking to um, an inventor friend of mine at the gym the other day and we were. We're talking about history and fighter pilots and things like that and how a lot of them say that basic training was the worst thing ever. Ah, during it but the best thing ever Afterward long term and I could describe my my whole life as trying to free myself from any obligation and any schedule whatsoever and what's funny is that I. 01:03.38 mikebledsoe Wow. 01:19.83 Dr_ Placebo I did I was able to do that I basically freed myself of ah, any obligation. Ah, and you know that's when you can get real weird right? But it's ah. 01:31.82 mikebledsoe Been there? Yeah, ah. 01:35.80 Dr_ Placebo But with puppies if if you try to freewheel like that They'll just destroy your life I mean the life I had already is gone. No question. Whatever I was doing before.. It's like a distant memory.. It's so interesting How this has become an all. Consuming thing So fast. 01:56.85 mikebledsoe All right I Want to see these puppies so you got to send me some I'll throw it up in the blog by the way. Um I I'm gonna start having these ah these are gonna be. We're gonna have full blog write ups for the show. 02:02.50 Dr_ Placebo I. 02:14.16 mikebledsoe Ah, they're gonna be posted I'll have a substack up soon that they're going to be going on and people will get emails with a summary and a little little email about the show whenever it pops out every Monday and then the blog will have a written summary. 02:14.55 Dr_ Placebo Rad. 02:29.61 Dr_ Placebo Wow, That's pretty exciting. 02:31.32 mikebledsoe We should be able to just click to from the emails. So if yeah, if y'all were wondering you know when we were gonna turn pro. it's it's happening you know what's really interesting is I remember with barbell shrugged episode 42 was a pivotal show for us. We'd learned something on that show like and we were trying to improve the craft of podcasting and I remember it was episodes 42 through 45 was us going through this transformation and immediately people. Started messaging us saying I don't know what you guys did but whatever you're doing keep it up the show the show that you know is like episode 42 was the best episode 43 44 or 45 you're like oh this is just the new normal. And yeah, so we're on episode 43 of the Monday morning podcast and ah yeah I feel like we're hitting a ah stride with that as well. 03:38.84 Dr_ Placebo Yeah I like the vibe that we've cultivated here. It's really serious topics I mean arguably some of the most serious topics imaginable. It's like ah death and kinks. And entrepreneurship and relationships. But the we're pretty chill about it. It's like serious topics with a ah relaxed vibe. 04:02.13 mikebledsoe Well I think a lot of people avoid these topics because they don't they whenever it was brought up in the past for them. They didn't have a level of levity that was part of the conversation if we can lighten it up a little bit makes it way easier to consume. So yeah I think. 04:12.27 Dr_ Placebo 1 04:22.20 mikebledsoe Enough about enough about us just tooting our horns. Even though we have a lot of horns that too. Ah I think that? Ah yeah I want to fill you on what I did last week you know I got so I got stuck in maui for 2 days and hi now. 04:31.39 Dr_ Placebo Lay it on me, you poor you poor dear. 04:41.37 mikebledsoe I I remember I remember having it was kind of like the it's like the first time I was ever used by a woman for my body. You know I had this moment of like oh my god you just wanted me for my body I feel so dirty. And about 2 seconds later I was like oh my god she wanted me for my body I was like yes so maui similar similar situation I go oh oh bummer I'm missing my flight I'm like well I'm in Maui I'll go to the beach. 05:16.66 Dr_ Placebo So you missed your flight on purpose. Ah. 05:19.40 mikebledsoe No, no, absolutely not no I um I spent a week in molakai which is ah ah, an island with a population of 7000 people and 22000 axis year. So I was hunting out there which was just. The most fun I've ever had hunting it. It was so cool. Definitely going back fact I'll probably go back and I'll invite people to come with me as I so I typically do and yeah, you do. 05:47.37 Dr_ Placebo So you can get a free ride I know you're game blood. So like he's like I love this thing gosh if I just invite like 10 of my friends I can do it for free and if I invite 20 then I have a new career. 06:00.82 mikebledsoe Not not not only not only not only do I get to go for free I might get paid and even if I don't tax write offs baby like I'm going to be applying for my Ffl license like all my guns should be tax write offs. 06:12.45 Dr_ Placebo Boom. 06:20.35 mikebledsoe Organize a couple of hunts. It's a business to business. 06:23.51 Dr_ Placebo And you know what? it's actually ah we're joking about but it's super authentic and that's one of the things I like about you is you? You are that firestarter you get excited about something and then you get other people excited about it I've seen it happen. Many times throughout the years that I've known you so it's. 06:43.10 mikebledsoe Um, sometimes I regret it I'm like oh man I Really kind of screwed that person up but and you know who you are. You're listening out there. 06:46.65 Dr_ Placebo Well. 06:56.10 mikebledsoe Ah, ah. 06:56.40 Dr_ Placebo Ah, so so what do you use? Did you ah hunt them with a knife Ninja stars spear I would love to go spear hunting I feel like that would just be super gangster like a pointy stick. 07:02.30 mikebledsoe You know, um, are you not not for deer but you can do that for hog I know there's a place in Arkansas basically where you can hunt hog with a spear and they use ah they use pit bulls they put like kevlar jackets on these pits and then basically you chase the hogs down the the dogs get a hold of it and while the dogs are holding it you you you stick the pig so that's. 07:26.61 Dr_ Placebo Um, amazing. 07:32.35 Dr_ Placebo That's ah, got to be a very visceral feeling if you'll excuse the pun. 07:37.82 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, um, so that's a possibility. But yeah, what what we did was ah I was shooting a rifle. He's a rifle I have a I have ah a savage ah savage one Ten ultralight. 07:43.53 Dr_ Placebo 22 I'm guessing 07:53.87 mikebledsoe Ah shoots a six five creed more which is a much faster round than what most hunting rifles are firing like it's a newer round There's there's some others that are faster but this is one of those ah speed matters because the amount that that round will drop. Or how much it'll be impacted by wind actually gets reduced a bit so there's fewer adjustments that have to be made when you're shooting really far. But um, exactly exactly. 08:21.93 Dr_ Placebo There's less time for it to fall along the same amount of distance if if it's going faster. It's like a laser pointer hardly falls at all. 08:30.82 mikebledsoe ah hardly but ah yeah so we're out there hunting I got to got to kill early in the the week spent a lot of time just chilling. You know we were very living very primitive. Um I mean we weren't cooking over campfire. But we it was pretty close. You know a shitting outdoors sleeping on a one inch mat ah doors wide open but ah. 08:54.77 Dr_ Placebo Well, it makes 2 of us shitting outdoors at a but mine was a plumbing emergency though. So me and the dogs were ah we were all using the yard. 09:05.12 mikebledsoe Ah, ah I'm sure the neighbors love that the it's like whoa. What's that smell. 09:12.83 Dr_ Placebo That's the least of their worries with what I do in my backyard. 09:18.24 mikebledsoe Yeah, so I I finished the hunt have a great time. Got to connect with some guys. Um Ben Greenfield was on the hunt with me in fact, him and his 2 boys and yeah, just a beautiful time and yeah I go to you know I leave. 09:26.93 Dr_ Placebo Ah. 09:35.60 mikebledsoe Molokai that island I hop on maui to to get on my plane to come home and the flight gets canceled so I find a hotel and then I go back to the airport the next morning and I get on the plane and then they cancel that flight or they delay that flight an hour and they. Delay that flight by an hour about 5 times so I'm just yeah I'm just hanging out the airport you know twiddling my thumbs and ah, finally like they're like oh we'll put you on a flight for tonight. 09:55.21 Dr_ Placebo Oh. 10:09.23 mikebledsoe So come back in 5 hours I'm like all right I went back to the beach and while I'm at the beach I check my phone and they're like oh your flight for tonight got delayed till tomorrow morning. So I I went from like booking a flight where I was gonna catch a red eye on this nice first class. 10:19.90 Dr_ Placebo Wow man. 10:28.28 mikebledsoe Seat and I was going to be able to sleep on the way home and I was gonna be home in like 12 hours to it being like a 24 hour you know added an extra stop in there just to get me home and basically showed up home two days late. Ah my fiance was not happy about that. 10:39.59 Dr_ Placebo Oof. 10:46.79 mikebledsoe And then ah yeah, just just now recovering so basically lost the night of sleep. You know. 10:55.48 Dr_ Placebo Sweet. So did you bring back? some meat did you? ah you you brought your own rifle with you. So I'm guessing you checked that and that was no big deal ah is really interesting. 11:05.45 mikebledsoe No big deal. Dude after after fly I've never flown with a gun before but after going through the process I realized you could pretty much ship any gun anywhere you want inside the us like they don't They're not really paying that much attention to it honestly. So. 11:21.14 Dr_ Placebo I Think it has to do with the volume right? I mean there's just so many packages going every which way but that's got to be an odd feeling because you I'm sure you walk into the airport with a rifle right? like. 11:28.79 mikebledsoe Yeah. 11:36.11 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah I walk in I check in and then I go I got to go up to like the special baggage place and I go I've got ah I've got ah a gun in here and like oh okay, well here's a special form you know which is basically almost nothing sign it. 11:39.40 Dr_ Placebo That's funny. Yeah, yeah. 11:51.79 mikebledsoe Walk it over to a special Tsa section. They take it and then I see it when I land and you know when I landed they didn't even um, ah one of the trips that didn't look get my Id when I picked up my rifle I'm like so anyone could have just walked up and grabbed this. It's like there's a very interesting. Thing going on here. 12:11.40 Dr_ Placebo I'm so you know I don't know how much that happens but I I only check a bag under duress like I don't check bags when I fly the bag stays with me because I see that I see the carousel with all the bags everywhere. 12:20.25 mikebledsoe Yeah I try to do that. 12:28.36 Dr_ Placebo And I'm like how do people not just pick up bags all the time like if I was ah a crooked thief. That's the only place I would go I would just go to Airports grab a random bag off the carousel slap ah a funny ah extra tag onto it. So It looks like it's immediately mine keep like a little pink scarf up my sleeve throw throw the pink scarf on the bag people would never think that's that there'd be oh that guy has the same bag as me, but with a pink scarf on it and you see these bags just making laps around there. You're like how. How did they not get stolen all the time. 13:06.64 mikebledsoe Well with with my my flight being delayed like it was I Ah, my bags arrived a whole day before me. So I'm like all right I got a rifle that's arriving at airport a whole day before me. Hopefully it's there when I get there and it was It was fun. 13:11.78 Dr_ Placebo This is something. 13:19.44 Dr_ Placebo Yeah, hopefully no one picks it up. 13:23.91 mikebledsoe But um, yeah, the meat's being shipped to me they I almost I had to fly in with a cooler because the island is too primitive to carry enough coolers. You're not going to go into like the local hardware store and grab there's 8 of us hunting 8 coolers. It's not going to happen. So um, ah. 13:38.17 Dr_ Placebo Right. 13:42.20 mikebledsoe I Opted to instead of carrying it back which I could have I just said hey ship it I'll pay for it and thank God I did because that meat would have not done well over two days of just being in a cooler. Um, but on the spot we did eat Raw heart So we made like a heart seviche so it technically wasn't a heart raw because it was. 13:43.36 Dr_ Placebo Meaning. 13:52.10 Dr_ Placebo If. 14:01.28 Dr_ Placebo Acid cooked. 14:02.50 mikebledsoe Had some ah yeah, acid cooked a bit but had some raw liver. We killed that week and ah I got to drink amniotic fluid. So one of the deer had been pregnant and we were able to get the amniotic sack. 14:21.46 mikebledsoe Puncture a hole in it fill a cup I drink that I tell you what the rest of my day I was I was on point hump and yeah, just running around hump and deer. Ah yeah, it was interesting I mean basically like drinking stem cells. 14:28.75 Dr_ Placebo Humping deer. 14:33.70 Dr_ Placebo Just as I let you're sprouting hooves. Maybe you'll get antlers wouldn't that be a trip I'm not going to read too much into why? That's the case but that's a cool. 14:40.90 mikebledsoe Oh I think I think Ashley would be ended at the antlers. Yeah. 14:52.80 Dr_ Placebo Cool thing I bet we can already do that I bet we already have the possibility to do weird shit like that like they grew a human ear on a mouse like twenty fucking years ago so I would not be surprised if they could grow you a set of antlers if you really wanted to. 14:54.10 mikebledsoe Ah, so yeah, that was the. 15:11.59 Dr_ Placebo Personally I'm waiting for the ah Elephant Trunk ah surgery where I can get an elephant trunk like maybe in the middle of the chest or something how useful would that be super sensitive I could drink out of it hold. 15:22.34 mikebledsoe Extremely You just pick off or just shit up I've always wanted an action arm. Yeah. 15:31.90 Dr_ Placebo Hold liquids I can sniff with it I mean so crazy strong Never go to the gym again I just have this like absolute unit of a tentacle. 15:44.27 mikebledsoe What we want to talk about today. What do we? What do we want to dig into. 15:51.83 Dr_ Placebo I mean hunting is a cool thing. Um, gosh I mean with the dogs ah speaking of hunting right? like there are hunting buddies. You were even saying before how they. Throw the kevlar on the dogs for hog hunting which is pretty wild. Um man I I have an appointment with a dog trainer I think next week or something like that and I thought I was doing really badly. As ah as a dog owner I thought I was so behind thought I was just a total disaster apparently I'm like way ahead of the curve talking to this lady though but having 2 dogs that are siblings. Brother sister is way tougher because. 16:25.34 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 16:42.99 Dr_ Placebo When you're trying to train them up. They're just you know, biting each other so you get 1 to listen to you and the other one just tackles the one who's listening so it's kind of a funny experience but I could do a whole show on the puppy lessons I've learned so far I started a puppy journal. 16:50.90 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 17:02.92 Dr_ Placebo And I also realized that you know dogs don't have a prefrontal cortex but they're basically like people and I think we give ourselves way too much credit for. 17:12.32 mikebledsoe Um, yeah, um. 17:20.73 Dr_ Placebo Like how clever we could be versus what creatures of ah routine and reward. We really are so you know me I like to ah synthesize things into a little ah easy to remember stuff. So. 17:27.99 mikebledsoe Yeah. 17:39.98 Dr_ Placebo Ah, demonstration is greater than explanation is a good one that applies to both dogs and people and that's also the um, the heart of the the type of teaching I like to do it's like teaching without attachment. To the result of the student because it's a very heavy burden to I used to feel super obligated um to all my customers, especially all my subscribers because the reality is they absolutely um, like made my life I mean the amount of people who bought books and bought videos. 18:18.90 Dr_ Placebo Um, super enriching both ways. So I felt this obligation like I gotta get them to do this thing. You know so I would explain the ever lovingving shit out of it instead of just being the example and doing the demonstration. It's the same with dogs course dogs don't speak English So An explanation is even more stupid but for a human I think um, same kind of idea is way better to set the example than to than to preach. Ah my opinion of course. 18:51.19 mikebledsoe Yeah man Ah, just finished a book last week or so wanting is the name of the book and basically just talks about how we model you know by? everyone's just modeling someone else. The desires are modeled. You don't know. 19:05.69 Dr_ Placebo That help. 19:09.20 mikebledsoe You walk into a bar. You're not you don't want to have a drink but you walk in your friends got a Moscow Mule you're like ah man I need and know I wanted to have one of those but now I do I think that people really can resonate with that that you know there's like I'll have a i. I was at a restaurant a couple weeks ago and for a friend dinner. Everyone ordered drinks I wasn't going to order a drink now I've got a scotch in my hand so you know there's ah no man I can't be the weirdo. Yeah. 19:38.60 Dr_ Placebo Yeah, baby, you don't want to get kicked out of the tribe dude pour me a drink too. That's that's the that's the toughest 1 right is to be exiled out of the group um in a lot of cultures that was. Way worse than death I mean it meant death but a slow suffering dishonorable death. You know your family. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's it's it's a public shaming that leads to a slow death versus. 19:58.35 mikebledsoe Well, you got like death and shame stack together like the you didn't die for a good reason. He he died because you meant you're an asshole. 20:14.80 Dr_ Placebo Ah, like a tribal respect and a quick death which you know one's way better. 20:17.97 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, not in battle. Um, yeah, say you you want to without your puppy Journal I also have my journal from the hunt. So I think we just go through our lessons. 20:27.18 Dr_ Placebo You know if you give me a yeah Pauseit or you can ah keep everyone entertained and I'll go grab that. 20:34.52 mikebledsoe I'll pause it real quick. Go get it so you want to go first. You want me to go first. We got we got puppies and hunting journals. 20:44.19 Dr_ Placebo Puppies and hunting Journals I Love it. Let's ah, let's start with hunting. 20:50.53 mikebledsoe Right? We'll go with hunting right? So um, we actually did a bit of like that the hunting trips I do with Manzel is is. Is a little different than most people first I'm not going to read it. It's very personal. maybe maybe I'll get the balls to ah, go out. Yeah well I I wrote ah I wrote a letter to the deer I was hunting. 21:14.62 Dr_ Placebo Personal like sexual what kind of hunting were you doing out there. 21:23.54 Dr_ Placebo Cool. 21:26.55 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, wrote a letter a love letter to the deer I was hunting. Um, um I had I had an insight over the week that I asked myself. 21:29.69 Dr_ Placebo What else. 21:46.80 mikebledsoe Where am I because everything slowed down I turned my phone off completely off grid and noticed I asked myself where am I seeking stimulation over solitude and you know really noticed around. 2 3 days in how I was really was it. It took me 2 3 days to for the mind to slow down and be on island time because we're hanging out with some people who are from molochi so these are these are like they're not from the city these are. 22:16.71 Dr_ Placebo M. 22:23.35 mikebledsoe These are Hawaiians that are like true true Hawaiian like they haven't been you know, westernized as much and I mean they have but like you know they they hold that Island time thing. Everything's super chill slow motion. Um, and you know for. 22:25.12 Dr_ Placebo They're hunters. 22:36.52 Dr_ Placebo Moon. 22:42.77 mikebledsoe Ah, guy like myself who's going high speed a lot That's just a. It's a bit jarring but I I really started asking myself. You know where am I where am I yeah seeking stimulation. Yeah, ah yeah, so ah. 22:52.75 Dr_ Placebo It's like pulling the e break pulling the emergency break at a hundred. 23:02.38 mikebledsoe Yeah I really reflected on that and then I I noticed that I need to remove some things from my schedule. There's there's just too many commitments in the future So started moving some things around and some things that I previously. 23:05.65 Dr_ Placebo O. 23:19.62 mikebledsoe Couldn't didn't even consider could be removed or moved and I was able to do that. Um, yeah, actually my summit um I'm gonna move the dates of the summit supposed to happen. 23:24.57 Dr_ Placebo Really anything. You'd like to share that's pretty cool. 23:36.68 mikebledsoe Was supposed to happen next month. But I'm gonna move it to November and you know that's a lot. You know there's people who are looking forward to those specific dates. But I I feel as though it's it's if I wait any longer to make the the announcement but you know it would be a little. Too late for a lot of people. But I think we can do it a month out and be okay. Ah really really got to reflect on how I'm the ah I am the ah result of my ancestors choices. You know whether. 23:58.74 Dr_ Placebo Yeah. 24:14.87 mikebledsoe They be wise choices or or foolish choices every single choice since the beginning of of my lineage has really created this result that I'm right now and I'm I'm the 1 choosing moving forward, but really, um. 24:17.14 Dr_ Placebo Oh. 24:33.16 mikebledsoe Recognizing that a lot of things that got me to where I am was actually foolish choices I think a lot of times people think about their ancestry. You're like oh there's so much wisdom there I was like there's a bunch of idiots in there too and and what what? what am I What am I making sure. Ah. 24:50.68 Dr_ Placebo Um, just ah, just a long line of Horny retards. Um. 24:53.96 mikebledsoe Yeah, was like is like okay like I need to be intentional about what I'm carrying forward because not everything. Not everything is Good. You know and how am I am I carrying those those lessons and how do I Harvest The wisdom From. My lineage without carrying on all the the the Foolishness. Ah. 25:20.54 Dr_ Placebo Man Ah, you're talking about ah many many multiple generations but even just the immediate ancestors the parents That's ah that's a really big deal is ah you know I worked with so many people coaching wise and you know I don't want to. 25:30.19 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 25:38.43 Dr_ Placebo Be, the guy who's laying everybody down on the psychiatrist couch right? but the reality the reality is that a lot of people are working through some sort of ah resentment or ah. Kind of the opposite like a personal resentment because you can't live up to your parents' expectations. It's like 1 or the other right either resent your parents for doing a bad job or you feel bad about yourself for not doing a good enough job. Ah, a lot of the time and. 25:58.19 mikebledsoe Yeah, so. 26:05.41 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, yeah. 26:10.77 Dr_ Placebo Ah, working through those things but not ah, not judging because whether it's yourself or your ancestors whatever which you can think of them all as the same thing in a certain sense. Um, you know everybody's doing whatever they think is going to get them what they want. Based on how they think and feel all the time like everybody's always doing their best and I remember the first time someone told me that I was dating this lady who is ah pretty significantly older than me and she said everyone's doing their best and I said no, they're not I was like 20 years old 26:48.11 mikebledsoe Ah, well here's the thing is like I think I think where it gets I think where people get confused about that is like ah everyone is doing their best. But I think there a lot of times people who say that assume that we're all going the same direction is like. 27:05.19 Dr_ Placebo Yeah, it's based on how you think and feel at the time is my little caveat based on how you think and feel at the time. Everybody's always doing their best and you know I've talked about it So many times if you're um, getting what they want either love power or attention love power or attention. 27:05.45 mikebledsoe Like yeah. 27:13.50 mikebledsoe But they're best at what getting what they want? Yeah so not not not for the greater. They're not doing the best they can do for the great Great greater humanity. 27:22.42 Dr_ Placebo And if you can't get 1 you'll move on to the next one no no and and actually no one is the only reason people do that is because it feels good to them right? The same reason that a guy sacrifices all his worldly possessions to join a monastery is because he thinks that's a good deal. It's not because he's like a. 27:34.30 mikebledsoe Right. 27:42.70 mikebledsoe Yeah. 27:45.45 Dr_ Placebo Like a noble person. He just thinks that'll get him a better result. 27:50.80 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, ah all right? So so another another phase of the hunt. We actually had a ah guide take us to some old ruins that were incredibly old I have no idea I probably wasn't paying attention to that part. 27:53.49 Dr_ Placebo Ah, on. 28:08.72 mikebledsoe Um, one of those things you're like ah we suspect this is five hundred or a thousand years old I I don't know so ah, we went to a site where it was ah there's ah, a lot of evidence and a lot of stories to support the idea that there were human sacrifices happening. At this very specific site. So ah. 28:29.60 Dr_ Placebo You got my attention human sacrifice that was the topic I didn't know I wanted to talk about but now that we're here I'm so glad can we do a whole episode on human sacrifice. That's that's such an incredible idea. That's such an incredible idea. 28:43.82 mikebledsoe Yeah I think we should do that next week. Yeah, next week well what's interesting is ah ah one of the things I started exploring ah while I was there after this is I've um. So I used to conflate or have the collapse distinction of service and sacrifice and I think a lot of people who come from a blue collar background do and so I've spent like 8 years you know I had that realization and started unwinding that. 29:05.86 Dr_ Placebo Oh yeah. 29:19.69 mikebledsoe And I spent 8 years only trying to be at service but but completely ignoring any possibilities of sacrifice and so I um, so I really did think about it really did cause me to think about sacrifice like ah the final hunt I ah hunted. Ah, multiple times while we were there and the final one was like really the intention was was around the sacrifice piece and I think it was really set up by that whole human sacrifice thing because they talked about how the the people who were being sacrificed. 29:49.94 Dr_ Placebo Oh. 29:56.70 mikebledsoe Actually saw as an honor to be able to to be sacrificed who knows but um, so we we? yeah I mean that. 30:04.17 Dr_ Placebo Right? And and everybody everybody's convinced that it's going to be better to do this that That's the whole idea right? We were just talking about that they're doing it why because they think it'll get them a better result than not doing it. 30:12.37 mikebledsoe Totally totally. 30:21.17 mikebledsoe 72 version versions. Ah but the so we sat at the site and journaled about ah death. So as as we're sitting at the site of human sacrifice talk about death. Um. 30:23.32 Dr_ Placebo A man. 30:38.49 mikebledsoe Fast forwarding to my own death and ah where I got was you know spending some time thinking about how much you know will I resist death when it arrives at my doorstep or will I will I welcome it and I think that. 30:56.90 Dr_ Placebo That's a tough one I hope I I hope I would but I'll probably be like a 80 year old guy and the angel of death will come by and I'll be like oh please no take my grandson instead. 30:58.00 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 31:11.94 Dr_ Placebo I'll just be really cowardly at the end of it all have this like super wise life and then finally face it like anyone but me. 31:12.63 mikebledsoe A. 31:19.97 mikebledsoe Ah, well like an asshole. Ah yeah I think there's an opportunity now I think I I know there's an opportunity to practice dying and practicing death and I think that's something that. I have experienced through through the use of psychedelics. Ah you know you take a big. 31:37.19 Dr_ Placebo I Got a lot out of the digital death that I did that was really interesting. Yeah I I just evaporated one day like my friends were all getting messages from people like where's max is he's dead is he okay and it it was It was cool. 31:44.20 mikebledsoe Digital oh that not going on Instagram. 31:57.17 Dr_ Placebo Ah, because I was like really attached to um that feedback you know the the audience is like hey we we love you when you do that stuff and so in order to let go of that it it is like a little a little death. 32:06.68 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 32:15.27 Dr_ Placebo Basically who yeah, that's it. That's you dude that was you. 32:15.95 mikebledsoe Oh yeah, I mean that happened when I left shrug. You know people people were like you know? Yeah I was like they were um yeah they I did not meet their expectations. Created all these expectations over years that I was going to be there every week and I was going to make them laugh and maybe they learn learn something and then I just stopped and people didn't like that. Um, yeah, so practicing death. Um. 32:50.50 mikebledsoe And and then what I what I got to is like will I have regrets and what what just came to me the quote came to me in a moment. Are you put on Twitter so it's it's famous. But I said excuses are the seeds of regret and I was thinking about regret. And that's that's what may I see regret as a thing that would cause someone to resist death like oh I'm not done yet I didn't do the thing that I really wanted to do and I think that really is the difference between somebody who's eighty years old and is able to go in peace. And someone who's eighty years old and and dies with suffering and it what hit me was like anything that is an excuse that's that's what I need to be looking for you. Don't want to think am I going to regret this what you want to be thinking is. 33:43.20 Dr_ Placebo Ah. 33:48.25 mikebledsoe Am I making an excuse about doing this or why am I am I telling myself reasons why this won't work even though it's something I really want to do and I mean knowing the differences between any excuse and a real reason. Ah. 33:52.11 Dr_ Placebo His father. 34:06.68 mikebledsoe Can be challenging at times. But I think that's something that each individual gets to learn in themselves and and these two things feel different an excuse feels different than you know, using your reason to to make your moves. 34:22.89 Dr_ Placebo There's ah I think the difference between excuse and reason is really hard to pinpoint. Actually I think Excuse has a bit of a negative I mean everything. 34:30.40 mikebledsoe Why I tell people to be unreasonable throw throw the reasons out the window like be rational, be rational rationalable be rational, but but don't be reasonable. 34:39.89 Dr_ Placebo I like it. It's able to be rationed I like rationable that could be fun rational. Ah like okay so. 34:44.17 mikebledsoe Yeah, alright Hashtag rationable. It's a thing. 34:54.15 Dr_ Placebo Responsibility is ability to respond. It's also a synonym for obligation right? and I think I think that's often how it's used like you list out you list out the responsibilities. Well you list out resp responses like okay, you've had people work for you right. 34:58.36 mikebledsoe But I don't think I don't think it is a cinnament for that and I why think I think most people will perceive it that way. 35:13.42 Dr_ Placebo And you list out what their responsibilities are like. For example, every day obligations. No okay you fucking whore Obligations accountabilities. 35:13.61 mikebledsoe Yeah I call them accountabilities not responsibilities accountabilities. Ah. 35:30.50 mikebledsoe Ah. 35:31.48 Dr_ Placebo Whatever you want to call it. It's a thing that you got to do and basically in that situation. What happens if it doesn't get done and that's that's when ah, a reason to me is is always an excuse right? because what you're trying to do is you are trying to excuse. Use yourself from the obligation. Ah so to me, it's very different and like you know you've had a lot of people work for you and it's you can always come up with a reason for why you didn't do the thing you said you were going to do right? But it's still. 35:54.70 mikebledsoe Um, ah. 36:09.52 Dr_ Placebo It's just trying to excuse that accountability right. 36:10.99 mikebledsoe Yeah I would say their culture that we we've cultivated with people who work for me. It's been a very like yeah I fucked up and I don't I don't get a lot of excuses from my people which is really refreshing just to. 36:19.19 Dr_ Placebo Um, yeah, right? yeah. 36:30.80 mikebledsoe Have people own it. Okay I think the problem with making excuses is you're doomed to repeat the you don't you don't feel the gravity. You don't feel the pain of of the impact that you made by by screwing up. 36:47.35 Dr_ Placebo Totally the error. 36:49.43 mikebledsoe Like the if you make an excuse for your yeah if you make an excuse for your error. You're sidestepping a lesson. But if you say look I simply screwed up I dropped the ball I'm now making a commitment to ah you know. I'm I'm making these specific changes in order to ah do it differently moving forward. Awesome! That's what I want to hear. That's why I want to hear from others. That's what I want to hear from myself. That's that's an attitude of of learning that's humility. 37:17.41 Dr_ Placebo Totally no, It's curiosity too right? It's like what can be done differently and it frames it in a in a positive sense so you know right. 37:24.30 mikebledsoe And. 37:29.39 mikebledsoe We're moving forward instead of dwelling on the past we like we acknowledge that this happened but now let's move forward. 37:35.40 Dr_ Placebo Well and that's kind of like the it goes back to the sacrifice or the martyr thing right? you you almost feel like you need to punish yourself a little bit and say how bad you were but it doesn't really do anybody and especially if you're like managing people you you kind of just want to be like man that's like wholly irrelevant. Really doesn't Matter. It's really just about what you can do moving forward differently that will make it so this does not happen in the future right. 37:56.50 mikebledsoe I Think ah. 38:01.89 mikebledsoe Yeah I think I think the pain that we inflict on ourselves through the guilt can can help make the lesson stick like oh I don't want to feel like that again. So. 38:13.70 Dr_ Placebo Well, totally man, you know shame can drive a culture in a big way. Um, and I know I've said it on the podcast before but 1 of the cultures that I find really interesting and awesome in a lot of ways is Japan where there's a really strong culture. Of honoring tradition and shame. Also, you know there's a lot less homeless people there because it's kind of a shameful thing and there's also a lot less ah broad creativity of brand new stuff. But ah surplus. Of refining old stuff. You know so they might not invent a rocket ship but when someone else does they'll make that rocket ship better than anything else because they'll have you know 10 generations of rocket scientists running the family business and trying to just. Make those marginal improvements. So I think you know shame can be a great motivator ah certainly I gravitate toward love being a motivator right so joyful expression of this ah weird. Black box algorithm that I am you know take what I got and and let it out there like you know, let it go basically um, kind of like we were talking about um service minus attachment. Basically so you do your thing but you're not. 39:42.47 mikebledsoe I. 39:46.70 Dr_ Placebo Super attached to the result or or yourself as the procurer of that service. 39:53.71 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, all right moving on moving on in this journal see so I was asked for. We went on a a silent hike for a couple hours and ah. 39:57.90 Dr_ Placebo Ah. 40:11.68 mikebledsoe We're We're asked the question, the prompt to consider while we walk and then you know Journal when we get back and before we get out the door I started making a list of ways in which I don't show up as my highest self um or you just sit look as how do you show up in a. 40:25.60 Dr_ Placebo Oh. 40:31.21 mikebledsoe And the ways that you don't prefer or you you end up regretting I guess so these are these are the ways in which I am not showing up as my highest self when I am looking for acceptance by others when I seek stimulation over solitude. That's where I got that. 40:47.62 Dr_ Placebo Another more. 40:48.29 mikebledsoe Ah, when I fail to communicate my boundaries Well when I lack a hierarchy of values. Ah, and when I'm concerned with not looking bad. 41:01.96 Dr_ Placebo Yeah, those are good. Um, what was the prompt again. It was just go on this quiet hike and then Journal at the end. 41:08.92 mikebledsoe Not yeah that well we were to consider this question in which way am I not showing up as my highest self and then 2 hour yeah Yeah 41:18.94 Dr_ Placebo Okay, so now they provided that yeah that was actually the the thing I thought ah before when you're talking about what decisions will I regret. That's like the same. That's the positive way to say that. What? what would your highest self do here like and how how big a gap is there. Can you repeat that question one more time I'm going to write it I'm going to have ah my friends around here do that with me sometime same seems like a cool idea. 41:36.30 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, yeah. 41:47.73 mikebledsoe Cool, um in which way am I not showing up as my highest self. 41:51.94 Dr_ Placebo Yeah. 41:56.20 mikebledsoe Everyone out everyone at home gets to and get a couple chances write it down themselves all right? Everyone you got a homework expect you to fill this out I mean 2 3 hours I like that. 42:05.74 Dr_ Placebo How how long was the silent hike. That's pretty nice. 42:15.90 mikebledsoe You know what I found when I first got out there is like um actually felt overstimated coming in. Ah and I met several of the guys for the first time and everybody was wanting to talk and I was There was a part of me that was going man I really just wish this was a silent retreat I would like. 42:42.23 Dr_ Placebo Ah, oh man, that's so funny to hear from you did. 42:47.20 mikebledsoe Ah, yeah, yeah, so I'm I'm actually going to suggest a monzol about ah putting together. A I would love to do like a group hunting trip where the first 2 of three days is in complete silence. Only. Like a noble silence. You know I could ask you to like help me with something or or could you get the fuck out of the way or whatever it is or you know you you can you can state what you need in the moment but I don't yeah yeah. 43:10.25 Dr_ Placebo But right. 43:15.72 Dr_ Placebo Could wear a little wear a little chalkboards. 43:23.90 mikebledsoe But ah, yeah, minimize the just the bullshitting interactions and yeah I would love to do like a two day and I would love to do as strangers I would love to go hunting with people I've never met before spend the first two days silent and then the third day because then I I think it would be really fun to. Because what your mind's gonna do is create all these stories about who this person is you know why? they do the thing they do, you're gonna create all of it and then you're gonna talk to them on a third day and they're gonna break all of it and you're gonna go oh my imagination is nuts. 43:46.16 Dr_ Placebo Right? one? ah. 43:58.76 Dr_ Placebo Totally well and as it relates to the dog thing. You know they don't speak English Um, they they pick up on your emotions and your postures and I know I've said it before even on the show but I remember you. 44:06.20 mikebledsoe You don't say. 44:15.95 Dr_ Placebo Said to me like dude maybe ten years ago or something like don't don't listen to the words people are saying just watch how they're being and so I started doing this thing where I mean I was tuning out like I wasn't listening to the words I was a really bad listener but I was just watching people's postures their hand movements. 44:21.48 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 44:35.80 Dr_ Placebo And it it was like the it was like the teacher and Charlie Brown it was like wah walk walk walk walk walk walk walk and I was just listening to the musicality of the voice and all these different things and I would imagine if you are meeting people for the first time and you can't. Introduce yourself like that is such a trip because now you're going to be reverting to these primal instincts of like sizing people up, you're going to pay really close attention to people's eyes and I bet most people have never even ah. Come close to a situation like that I don't think I've ever been part of a group where we didn't introduce ourselves for two days like that's almost psychotic actually when you think about it. Everybody's got like guns and no one saying anything and they've never met before. I mean I don't want you to like give up on this dream but it is a sweet recipe for fucking disaster. 45:35.28 mikebledsoe You know I'll try it out with guys I know first? Well we'll baby step our way into this find a few guys that are willing to do a silent hunting retreat and we'll go from there all like let's dig in this puppy journal. 45:49.53 Dr_ Placebo Um, awesome dude I like the silent hike I like the silent hike thing. That's a cool idea. Well. 45:57.89 mikebledsoe I did a whole day I took 2 guys up to I was up in Idaho and was in the sawtooth mountains and we did like ah man it was like a 12 hour maybe maybe thirteen fourteen hours 46:12.50 Dr_ Placebo Was that a cattle drive or something. Wow. 46:13.86 mikebledsoe Ah, not not just hiking up. The mountain started started at the bottom wearing shorts and it was hot and got up to the snow and basically just popped a little microdose and went fasted So all I brought was water. 46:24.60 Dr_ Placebo Um, how cool. 46:30.75 Dr_ Placebo Sweet. 46:33.13 mikebledsoe And and we did a silent up and I and I ah I was in charge of the hike there was 3 of us I was like we can talk on the way down and and I I started hoofing. Yeah and we started hoofing it down and these guys were just hilarious. 46:44.45 Dr_ Placebo Ah I like I like that a lot too that. 46:52.13 mikebledsoe Just talking about candy bars like because we were fasted. They weren't used to any of this stuff. So the idea of like hiking silent fast. It was incredibly novel to them. So yeah. 47:05.80 Dr_ Placebo It's crazy how much extra calories you're packing on you Even if you're a lean person check out, check out the math sometime like for those who are every you got to fast, you got to try it Out. It's so it's Stupid. You just you just shut up. And you don't eat for a while and it will heal you more than like 99% of the bullshit out there. But. 47:25.66 mikebledsoe It is. It is the dude you just give your system a break. All you got to do is give your system a break and it'll fix itself for for most things. 47:37.20 Dr_ Placebo Matt Imagine if you just ah had headphones playing music all the time. That's like the equivalent of digesting food all the time and it's it's just a different sense right. 47:53.18 mikebledsoe Yeah, 4 47:54.61 Dr_ Placebo You don't give yourself a chance. Um, but some people are afraid they're like oh what'll happen am I going to like break down too much muscle or something like that like that like it'll happen in a fucking week I mean some some sure whatever but like a lean person has like one hundred thousand calories 48:05.22 mikebledsoe It's all guy. Yeah dudes are well, there's um, sal. 48:14.41 mikebledsoe Yeah. 48:14.74 Dr_ Placebo Storage on them like ah, a lean, a lean man of average size has like a hundred thousand extra calories conveniently distributed mostly in the center mass of their body. It's it's really good design like we would all be dead if it didn't work this way. 48:33.34 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, it's there for sure. There sal sell from over at mine pump. Um, if you're familiar with the mine pump guys but they do like um, kind of like. 48:36.24 Dr_ Placebo Ah. 48:44.74 Dr_ Placebo Do they like take ah do they like take pre-workouts and play chess or something. 48:49.55 mikebledsoe Yeah, well, they're like ah I would I would they're the closest thing the barbell shrugged but more for like the the aesthetic world whereas we were more in like the performance and they're They're really great guys I've been on their show a couple times they've been on mine. They're fun. 48:56.33 Dr_ Placebo All. 49:05.75 mikebledsoe And 1 of the guys on there I know for a period of time was doing a 72 hour fast once a month for the purpose of building more muscle so there's just like you want to train really hard if you want to grow muscle if you actually starve yourself a protein. There's a super compensation that occurs. So. 49:09.84 Dr_ Placebo Oh. 49:24.78 Dr_ Placebo It's like occlusion training you cut off the flow and then you release it and the floodgates open same deal. 49:25.55 mikebledsoe It's yeah. Yeah, so I I think that for anyone who is concerned about that because I was actually you know for a lot of the hunts that I do we we fast coming in and one of my friends young younger guy. He was like yeah but you know I was just like worry about losing muscle I'm like you know. Ah, 72 hour fast done right? and when you reintroduce food you could actually put more muscle on because of that just watched all the all the gears in his head had to change direction and and ah yeah, but it's true. 50:02.81 Dr_ Placebo Plus like what if you did lose a little bit of muscle. You think no one's going to love you after that Jesus Fucking Christ like. 50:13.29 mikebledsoe Oh obviously? yeah, well its problem is like I mean you've experienced this is you get praise. It's like oh man, you got a 6 pack. Oh man like get all this praise like well that's must be why people like me. 50:14.84 Dr_ Placebo I Mean they won't love you as much. Obviously now you're fucking Scrawny bitch who's going to love you now. 50:27.16 Dr_ Placebo I. Totally totally I mean I feel like I've said this so many times but I would lift a really big weight over my head. Let's say and people would be like hey Wow Max We Really like that. 50:33.21 mikebledsoe And then you take that away like oh no, one's gonna love me now. 50:47.85 Dr_ Placebo Can you lift a bigger one be like fuck. Yeah, are you going to love me more if I do and they're like yeah I'm like great I'll do that. 50:53.75 mikebledsoe I mean it's super simple if I put that I think about a year ago I put ah ah a Instagram throwback video of me squatting like I don't know what it was like four 25 for reps or something like that the bars bouncing and shit. 51:04.75 Dr_ Placebo Yeah, yeah. 51:10.32 mikebledsoe And I got like almost a record breaking amount of likes on that you know and I basically like I basically said in the the what's it called the caption I said in the caption of like yeah this was like peak me hating myself. Ah and like. 51:12.43 Dr_ Placebo Oh yeah. 51:25.57 Dr_ Placebo Totally. 51:29.21 mikebledsoe This is all the things I've done a change and all that you know what ended up in some of the comments people actually read the caption but a lot of comments are like yeah man that's big weight I'm like you like let the fuck is going on. Love me. Um. 51:38.64 Dr_ Placebo Good job and you're like they love me. They really love Me. You know it reminds me of why Envy is such a bummer ah number one. It's the only of the deadly Sins. You can't have any fun at ah which I've always thought was really cool and the no no lust is great. Gluttony. 51:58.61 mikebledsoe Ah, interesting. Yeah, there's not really a payoff for it right? like people use it people use it for motivation. Yeah. 52:08.13 Dr_ Placebo Lust gluttony sloth I mean that's that's like a great day as far as what I'm concerned but but like ah yeah, ah today is gluttony day. Ah but like envy day is is the worst and here's why it's extra bad though. 52:13.20 mikebledsoe I Set aside days for that. Yeah yeah. 52:26.60 Dr_ Placebo So it's funny because it's not that fun but also with envy we're only envying like 1 little bit a fraction of someone's life where we're not envious of the whole thing. Because if we were we would do that same shit ourselves like nobody can see in that video all of the sacrifices you were making and even at the time. Ah maybe you were self-aware enough to be like hey you know I I did this. 52:47.35 mikebledsoe Yeah. 53:03.40 Dr_ Placebo But you you guys probably don't want this in fact, ah you know like my I don't know if this is true. But for me it It was a lot of the time like my body hurts a lot. Um dude like that's probably the. 53:12.00 mikebledsoe I was in so much pain. So I had to smoke during that period of time I was smoking weed every night to fall asleep I remember getting in bed and just like my body was hot. My my shoulders were throbbing like like things were throbbing. 53:20.27 Dr_ Placebo Yeah. 53:26.58 Dr_ Placebo Yeah. 53:30.88 mikebledsoe And I'd be lay in bed and then my my ex wifefe would be next to me and she could just feel me she' like babe go smoke some weed you need to go to sleep so just turn into a nightly I smoked weed every night for for years. 53:35.21 Dr_ Placebo E. 53:46.13 Dr_ Placebo Yeah, totally I mean that's a good option as far as options go but that's what I mean about the the cherry pick Envy is like we're we're envious cherry pickers. We're like oh man look at that guy's house I'm like yeah that guy. 53:47.91 mikebledsoe Just for pain relief. 53:56.49 mikebledsoe Yeah. 54:04.81 Dr_ Placebo Went to medical school. He worked 60 hour weeks and then he worked 80 hour weeks and now he finally has this big house and and and you're only going to be envy it like it's it's insane right? It's the same thing with us lifting these heavy weights we're like wow I wish I could do that I'm like no, you don't. 54:15.22 mikebledsoe Right. 54:21.36 mikebledsoe Yeah. 54:24.21 Dr_ Placebo A no, you don't because otherwise you'd be doing it and B you don't understand the sacrifices that are being made here. You know it's ah it's hardly fair. But what's funny about that too is ah that's also what inflames people's desires the most like. 54:30.27 mikebledsoe Yeah. 54:43.12 Dr_ Placebo I I was honest, um, like I I was saying like hey man I I train a lot I do ah olympic weightlifting then I do gymnastics then I do a crossfit workout at the end then I go to Jujitsu and then in the evenings I do moyai for 2 hours training six days a week I'm running a business I'm a 23 year old absolute maniac investing all of my time into it and I'm like here's this workout and people are like yeah I want that too but they don't really is my point they just want like. 55:16.38 mikebledsoe Now. 55:20.43 Dr_ Placebo Like that Mark Twain quote a classic is something that everybody wants to have read but nobody wants to read. He's got some good ones? Yeah, all right. 55:31.21 mikebledsoe Accurate. Ah I think he was ah somebody somebody called him the cause I was describing Mark Twain as someone who had never really knew much about him or read about him and and as I as I was describing. 55:39.76 Dr_ Placebo And pretty sardonic guy. 55:47.70 mikebledsoe They go. Oh he's probably the Joe Rogan of of that time I go you know what? I think you're probably right like that because he was he was funny. He he was he was doing a lot of writing and I yeah was kind of like comedy of that of that era I mean and and. 55:56.21 Dr_ Placebo Yeah. 56:01.53 Dr_ Placebo Um, he was a humorist that's actually the biggest humor award. We have is the Mark Twain ah prize right? There are some good ah acceptance. There are some good acceptance speeches. 56:07.53 mikebledsoe Oh I didn't even know that I learned something new about Mark Twain today the more I learned about that guy the more of a fan I become just wild. 56:20.39 Dr_ Placebo Ah, because it's it's you know some people who are just absolute um juggernauts comedy-wise but the Mark Twain prize is like a lifetime achievement award for comedy. So you know chappee has 1 Eddie Murphy David Letterman these guys like. 56:30.67 mikebledsoe Now. 56:38.20 Dr_ Placebo Really? ah, really skilled at the craft of humor and what I say is humor drops the guard like Lindsay has noticed that there's basically no conversation I have with someone where I don't a try really hard to make them laugh and b. Actually make them laugh because I don't I don't want things to be serious like that's the last type of situation I want I want to have things be be lighthearted and and humor is a good way to do that. 57:07.74 mikebledsoe We go it. Loosens people up, you have you use humor it loosens up the mind people get up catch people off guard willing to entertain new ideas and this is why comedy is such an important thing in society and before you we had the modern comedians you have. 57:17.42 Dr_ Placebo Right. 57:27.46 mikebledsoe Want to go back far enough. You got the court Jester and I think a lot of times people think about the court jester as just some fool who knows some you know can juggle and shit. But in ah some traditions you know it's told that. The jester was there to keep the king in check the gesture was the only one that could make fun of the king right? and so it was like yeah and. 57:47.30 Dr_ Placebo Right? Compartmentalized you can make fun of me and you're going to do it in a way that I feel okay about it. But but when you're when you're Queen or something is like you you drink too much. 57:56.63 mikebledsoe Yeah. 58:03.62 Dr_ Placebo Or whatever he's like fuck you queen I'm the king god damn it. But when the jester is like hey Mr. King guy can I fill up your wine flask again. Oh it's already empty. What does a pre you know Dadada whatever. 58:17.26 mikebledsoe Ah, yeah, yeah, you want to break out the puppy journal. 58:22.30 Dr_ Placebo Oh yeah, um I think the the main thing is ah compartmentalizing on on every level like literally you put them into a compartment you have nap time. Compartmentalized you have playtime compartmentalized. You have mealtime compartmentalized like the more you compartmentalize the lives of those puppies the easier it is like they know when we're outside. It's outside time like we've had them two weeks now and we're batting like I would say 98% ah of potties outside in the same place and I feel like that's really good. We've had almost no issues. No accidents inside the house which I'm real pleased about and when it's nap time. They go into the pen and when it's food time they come out and they get their food and then we pick the stuff up and wash it out because otherwise it's going to be crawling with ants. So everything gets compartmentalized. Um shoes can't live on the floor anymore. So that has to be in a compartment has to be out of reach so it's it's forcing me to get way tighter with my organization. So I think that's a positive I mean look once again like you could look at my story from the outside in and think. 59:57.91 Dr_ Placebo I'm a certain way but it's just been like a disorganized mess of an insane guy who just happened to be very ambitious and motivated right? So it doesn't just because it like worked doesn't mean I did it well like I didn't you know what? I mean. 01:00:16.59 mikebledsoe Ah, that that resonates like so so like how did you do it I'm like don't do it the way I did it. 01:00:16.88 Dr_ Placebo It's ah yeah, totally men. Yeah, right? But what's funny is ah like instinctually they they want to do it that way because it's a proven model and you're like no dude do do anything but the way that I did it. 01:00:30.17 mikebledsoe Right. 01:00:35.71 Dr_ Placebo Do absolutely anything but that but anyway ah compartmentalizing is huge I already mentioned ah demonstration is greater than explanation I think that equation pretty much rings true for just about everything. 01:00:55.28 Dr_ Placebo Um, it really reminds you? What's important like the live like we had to take the puppies. Ah 1 of them into the vet once already to the emergency room and and it's a very binary type of thing. Yeah puppy was really. Lethargic ah pissed herself is very scary I was surprised how much I loved these little fuckers already. Ah and it was like Okay, we either relax, chill out and ah, don't worry about it or we take her to the emergency room right now. Because living in limbo of like ooh. It's kind of scary. It's kind of bad is it's almost like ah an almost emergency is the worst fucking thing ever. It's like buying fire insurance. But then worrying every day that your house will burn down and I feel like that's how a lot of people. 01:01:47.69 mikebledsoe Um, yeah. 01:01:52.71 Dr_ Placebo Live their lives. Um, you know insurance is another thing we could talk about another time but that's not really related to. We did get puppy insurance which is a fucking scam and a half. Ah oh yeah I mean you know it's. 01:02:07.88 mikebledsoe I've never heard of that before. 01:02:11.48 Dr_ Placebo Just like anything else. It's ah basically a probability and a fee schedule. Whatever and so if you're going to buy puppy Insurance. You probably would also be well- served to buy some extra puppy food so you have like insurance against like a shortage in puppy food supply Anyway, whatever. Not not more insurance. Ah yeah, yeah, that's actually what it is. Yeah, Ah, it's well because I looked at the fee schedule basically and I looked at like what the payment is versus what they will pay. 01:02:31.27 mikebledsoe Is like Health insurance for puppies her Why you say it's a you say it's a scam. 01:02:48.97 mikebledsoe Right? And like dental insurance. 01:02:50.53 Dr_ Placebo For each ailment. It doesn't seem like a very good deal basically to me. Ah, you know they have these maximums for certain things and I didn't think those maximums were very high like I I like to have insurance. 01:03:04.70 mikebledsoe Why did you get it. 01:03:09.10 Dr_ Placebo Um, because it is pretty inexpensive and I have had a lot of people tell me who have had dogs that it was worth it and um, so like basically it's a gamble essentially like ah having health insurance or not um. 01:03:16.74 mikebledsoe E. 01:03:27.38 Dr_ Placebo You know I I prefer to bet on myself. Basically so um, you know if there's a catastrophe great but everything else just out of pocket. Ah puppy lessons. Ah first one is what you pet you get. 01:03:37.12 mikebledsoe Um, yeah. 01:03:45.37 Dr_ Placebo Which is ah kind of like a derivative of what is rewarded is repeated So that's a big thing. 01:03:49.95 mikebledsoe I was I my mind jumped to Monkey pox. 01:03:53.92 Dr_ Placebo What you pet you get? Wow I Don't think they can get Monkey pox. 01:04:03.55 mikebledsoe A greyhound got monkey pox in France recently from a couple of men who have sex with men. Um, but ah god it's a real story. Yep yep, well well you know that. 01:04:07.99 Dr_ Placebo Ah. 01:04:11.85 Dr_ Placebo Is that a real story that you're telling me how do you know this? Wow wild. 01:04:21.70 mikebledsoe Monkey pox narrative right now is it's it's mainly just men who have sex with men. They're not saying gay men on on the news anymore. Ah, and then and then they report oh there's there's ah 13 cases of children getting it. 01:04:28.55 Dr_ Placebo E. 01:04:40.31 mikebledsoe Oh it must not be sexually transmitted. Ah and then and then there's ah, there's a dog in France who's owned by a couple of gay guys and the dog gets it and they say it's concentrated around its mouth and belly. 01:04:41.84 Dr_ Placebo Oh boy Well boy. 01:04:59.39 mikebledsoe So it must be from ah you know, just close contact skin to skin contact. It's not ah well we didn't ask the gender that the reporter didn't ask the gender of the dog they screwed up. 01:05:04.29 Dr_ Placebo Maybe the dog is a homosexual I don't know it's a gay dog I don't know oh God Yeah, you should definitely not fuck your dog. 01:05:20.92 mikebledsoe Ah. 01:05:22.41 Dr_ Placebo I didn't even need to own dogs before I knew that. 01:05:29.95 mikebledsoe All right? all right? all right? Ah what you pat you get not Monkey box. Ok the pumpy principles. 01:05:33.58 Dr_ Placebo Ah, so I have I have the puppy principles right? which is ah patience positivity and playfulness and I think patience is really important. It's ah it's a little creature that doesn't know english. It doesn't know the difference between what you wanted to do what you don't want it to do and you you cannot get impatient with a dog or another person you can only get impatient with yourself right? You can get frustrated with yourself that things aren't already a certain way for you. It's like ah. I say there ain't no use wishing words you know oh I wish it were like this well wish in 1 hand pissing the other and see which fills up first. Yeah yeah, so. 01:06:20.50 mikebledsoe Ah, another way of looking at it. Well Okay, yeah I like that's that's totally different than what I was thinking. But yeah I love wishi
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00:00.00 mikebledsoe Well I think we should record now then you got 2 Eight week puppies a week old puppies. Yeah, you don't seem much like ah. 00:01.45 Max Shank Yeah,, let's do it. Puppies are great. Yeah, ah. I don't seem like a dog owner at all. And in fact, so far I have not been. 00:13.52 mikebledsoe No. 00:19.17 mikebledsoe What did she do to you. 00:22.92 Max Shank Made me an offer I couldn't refuse I guess I mean it's it's funny. Um, we talk about basically on this show. We talk about benevolent selfishness not in so many words, but basically do as good for yourself as you can. Well doing good for other folks and I've never wanted to have the responsibility required but I love dogs. Someone brings a dog into the gym and I'll just play with it the whole time I'll completely ignore the people right? but. I don't know there's a really nice, beautiful connection between beings between a person and a dog and Lindsay my special lady friend. She ah she just fell in love with this dog right. And I watch the two of them together I'm like man I don't want to because Lindsay and I cohabitate so I don't want to stand in the way of that so I was like ah I guess you can have a dog and it can live at the house but outside basically and then. Within 1 trip. Um, it was put on the table like we should take her her brother also so a pair of dogs and that seemed really nice and i. Kind of started to question all the resistance I've had toward that because resistance is a funny thing. It's either the exact right thing and in fact, you should experience a lot of resistance toward stupid risky behavior ah like jumping off cliffs. With no safety equipment. It's not really a reward there. The resistance to do that is is a good thing. It's a safety mechanism but basically ah I thought it would be good to to shake things up a little bit might as well go to instead of one also is. My thanking. 02:32.35 mikebledsoe Yeah I think it's kind of like it's probably easier have 1 or 2 kids instead of 1 02:41.43 Max Shank It's like ah, an energy balancing thing I feel like um, it's ah, a boy and a girl puppy and of of course I'm a boy and my lady is a girl I shouldn't say of course I mean who knows I could be whatever I want to be but it's like ah it feels like a good. 02:55.73 mikebledsoe It's right can make it up anytime you want. 02:59.18 Max Shank Yin Yin and Yang balancing so husky pomeranian mutts they're adorable. They're the cutest dogs ever seen. Yeah, one of them is and 1 of them is not. 03:00.66 mikebledsoe Yeah I love that what kind dogs are these. 03:08.70 mikebledsoe Wow They probably are furry. 03:17.77 Max Shank It's they would don't even look like they're from the same litter. 03:18.69 mikebledsoe Ah, interesting. Yeah, we're looking to getting a dog I think we're gonna end up getting a pit. We want to get like a big tough dog and like a little tiny. Yeah and then I have like a little tiny Yipper you know. 03:22.26 Max Shank 1 1 03:28.67 Max Shank Ah, defense dog. 03:35.27 Max Shank like like fuck what's his partner's name like Lenny in of mice and men and then the little shorter smart guy kind of you know I'm talking about ah man it's like ah there are these 2 guy. 03:37.24 mikebledsoe So. 03:46.78 mikebledsoe Now. 03:54.39 Max Shank Someone and Lenny in of mice and men anyone who's read that book and remembers it is laughing right now because Lenny is this ah mentally challenged guy and then there's the who's huge and then there's the much smaller guy who basically. Calls all the shots and Lenny's like I like to pet rabbits and you know that kind of that kind of thing so you got the big. You got the big dog bringing the muscle and then you got the the smart dog. 04:13.33 mikebledsoe Right? Yeah, yeah, so. Exactly exactly we'll make it work. Yeah um I had an interesting weekend. The ah my my fiance and I did a little couple's Journey. So. 04:25.00 Max Shank Yeah. 04:38.14 Max Shank Oh. 04:40.88 mikebledsoe We took some special medicine. That's really good at opening the heart and creating more connection. So we had an all day experience together. Ah a variation variation which is. 04:46.47 Max Shank Is that mdma. 04:55.35 Max Shank Mdma is like hooking up your heart to an electrical socket. So. 05:01.45 mikebledsoe Ah, yeah I took ah a variation of that slightly different. Ah it's it's better for 1 on 1 connections or connection to self if you were to take it in a big group. You would kind of find yourself being a little more hermit versus mdma. 05:11.60 Max Shank Oh. 05:19.90 mikebledsoe Where you're going to want to you know, be friends and make love to everybody? Yeah, so um, it's yeah, but. 05:20.70 Max Shank Love everyone? Yeah right? What a horrible drug. What a horrific side effect you, you're gonna want to love everybody ban. It. 05:35.30 mikebledsoe Ah, it's really difficult not to love everybody? Um, but it's it's a really good experience for um, you know, even though Ashley and I have had an enormous amount of personal development work and and. Ah, communication work and all these things and and we're probably we're we're definitely in the the point zero one percent of couples on communication and yet even though we're there with sobriety. We use a substance a heart opening substance. And you know we just start digging into areas that we weren't willing to or you know I think I think that these these medicines are so um, things that are really working on the serotonin. You don't really There's there's a level of presence that you're able to stabilize for a period of time there where it allows you to get deep with somebody so beyond just the being really happy and loving There's also a heightened a much heightened level of of presence and so I got to learn a lot. Yeah, a lot of openness. So like. 06:33.91 Max Shank Oh. 06:42.95 Max Shank Sounds like openness to yeah. 06:49.50 mikebledsoe Like I'm open to hearing a prefer experience and she's open to sharing I'm open as open to listening. It's ah it's it goes both ways if 1 of us was using it the other unpleasant we wouldn't get nearly as far. Yeah. 06:51.50 Max Shank Right. 06:59.15 Max Shank Huh unless one of you was super enlightened and able to be very open on command I think that's that's why people say that comedians are modern day philosophers. Because that's ironically like None of the only people we listen to because you use humor and it drops a person's guard so it like opens them up in the here and now so they actually take it in rather than lecturing to someone where I don't know if you tried it, people don't love that they they close up. 07:21.81 mikebledsoe Yeah, so. 07:29.80 mikebledsoe Yeah now. 07:34.57 Max Shank Real quick and so that's kind of like a bit of a psychedelic experience for someone to ah catch you off guard with the surprise of humor so much that it rocks your balance off center and so you're like whoa and you just fully like take that. That bit of information in and you know this openness and boundaries thing makes me think about ah the openness to to welcome new lives into my home. It. Ah it feels already like a psychedelic. 07:53.64 mikebledsoe Um, yeah. 08:06.10 mikebledsoe And. 08:12.64 Max Shank I mean puppies are drugs Man are you kidding me now I'm like gonna love this thing Yo I'm like fucking rocking and rolling right now. It's insane. The fact that I've even accepted this I mean last week I would have never even considered it every time she asked I was like now I'm like I'm a. 08:12.94 mikebledsoe Oh yeah, you're gonna be high for at least six months you got it? yeah. 08:32.27 Max Shank I'm a cat I'm a cool cat I'm a fat cat I'm a fucking cat I don't want any other things around I don't want to love anything else. That's why I told her I was like I don't want to love anything else, but it can happen really fast and that openness right? So what you're saying. 08:41.16 mikebledsoe A Ah yeah. 08:51.30 Max Shank With the medicine which is ah an exogenous substance. Basically that's taking you to that level of openness that is required for let's just call it complete communication where there's no like. Coversion right? oh. 09:10.10 mikebledsoe About as complete as you're going to be able to get I mean if there's another more complete way I would love to be you know, be with that. But um, what we so fast. Well here's the thing is like I'm willing to share a lot of things. 09:20.62 Max Shank So fast too. 09:28.97 mikebledsoe Because I have some of the things I haven't shared up to this point because I'm afraid of how she'll receive. She'll receive it and when I'm having that experience and feeling this way I'm like well if she were to share if I were gonna were to share something that's triggering now's the time to do it because this't gonna be she. 09:33.90 Max Shank Ah. 09:42.40 Max Shank Wait till after you get married man. Forget it. 09:46.60 mikebledsoe Is when she's gonna be the most open. 09:51.39 mikebledsoe Ah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, so we had a nice time. It created a lot of closeness. Um and gave us like a really clear vision of where we're currently standing and where we want to go together and. 09:52.88 Max Shank Ah, just put it off till later. It'll be. It'll be fine. 10:00.45 Max Shank Yeah. 10:08.66 Max Shank Whom. 10:10.70 mikebledsoe Yeah, it was really really beautiful and I mentioned all this because it brought up because I know you and I like to have create distinction and we like to look at the juxtaposition of 2 things and the contrast of things and her and I both really care about. 10:29.40 Max Shank E f. 10:29.94 mikebledsoe People right? and we really care about helping people and being of service to people I know you are too and None of the the differentiating factors between how it expresses between her and me which I think expresses similarly amongst a lot of men and women. Is. She tends to really focus in on the individual like how do I how do I help this individual heal or how do I help this individual. You know, live out their best life and all that and whereas I'm much more concerned about humanity as a whole. 10:56.12 Max Shank Um. 11:02.77 Max Shank Move. 11:08.39 Max Shank Totally. 11:08.76 mikebledsoe How does how are how a society can benefit from how this person is behaving and so what's that what? well yeah, it's. 11:15.53 Max Shank I can relate I can relate. It's a bit grandiose isn't it I can absolutely relate the that desire ah for for like it's so exactly me too. It's a big difference of scope. 11:26.81 mikebledsoe Well well, that's where I'm making decisions from it's it's you know like I want to help this person but I'm not going to sacrifice the people around them in order for them to get what they need like they I want them to show up in a way that's good for everybody. Not just for themselves. 11:35.94 Max Shank Oh. 11:43.53 Max Shank Oh interesting I I took it to mean like she enjoys helping people 1 on one and you have this vision of being broadly beneficial to you know None or None or something like that. Oh. 11:58.39 mikebledsoe No, no yeah I think that's I think that's also true. Um, but yeah, my my desire to help there I used to have the desire to help millions of people and and I know I've touched maybe close to that I don't know. 12:03.20 Max Shank Misunderstood. 12:16.21 mikebledsoe Ah, with with some type of message. 12:18.77 Max Shank Depends if you count ricochets which I do and then and then like you've probably affected like a billion people right? I count ricochets. Ah. 12:23.10 mikebledsoe Totally totally Rick let's count Ricoche's here I'm going to keep that one. Yeah, ah. 12:31.23 Max Shank Ah, me too that was good that was like a little easter egg for us today. 12:37.11 mikebledsoe Yeah, so um, ah so I think that men and this isn't you know there are no absolutes here. But I think men in general probably think about humanity as a whole and and women think about the individual and that's probably why women are. Going to be much more compassionate to a single person having that's down on their luck versus a man who's more like you know we need to clean up the streets. You know we look at the we have ah a homeless population in Austin Texas which is um, improving. It's getting smaller because. 13:12.25 Max Shank Wow. 13:15.21 mikebledsoe The citizens of Austin got together and voted a little over a year ago to create a camping in the city ban. Um, because years ago the the city decided to make it where people could camp in the city which created. 13:29.17 Max Shank Yeah. 13:32.37 mikebledsoe Ah, tent you know several tent cities around town that were just insane and and there's still an issue but you know like we're in the car regularly and these people are on something that's causing them to scream at people that don't exist on the street while holding a sign to try to get. 13:33.78 Max Shank Um. 13:51.88 mikebledsoe You to hand them money and um, it's you know and she's like well you know can we help this one person and I'm looking around going. How do we clean this shit up because like you know how much how much do you give this person. 14:00.40 Max Shank Who. 14:11.52 mikebledsoe Over time. How much help do you give them before you say look We just gotta push you to the outskirts. We don't know what to do with you like you are your responsibility and you're causing problems for other people so where is that line where we're sacrificing the whole we're sacrificing you know. 14:18.54 Max Shank Yeah. 14:28.59 mikebledsoe Many individuals because 1 individual can't get their shit together and it's um so it's it's very interesting to me. Yeah, it's just an interesting place to be is because I I what I'm seeing is if I care about humanity then I have to. Ah. 14:31.95 Max Shank Totally. 14:47.89 mikebledsoe The the best place for human the thing that creates the best place for humanity as a whole is when if each each individual is taking on personal responsibility and so. 14:55.80 Max Shank You see that as just the best option was that the word used. Yeah. 15:02.36 mikebledsoe It's probably optimal like if if humanity as a whole is going to flourish that would only happen under the circumstance of every individual taking personal responsibility. But what we have is a lot of people caring about. 15:12.41 Max Shank Yeah. 15:18.71 mikebledsoe You know the feelings of 1 person and trying to get everybody around them to mold to what they desire sacrificing 20 people to make one person happy. It's very interesting. 15:26.49 Max Shank Ah, right? Well, it's all about it's all about so our our ah species is the the compassionate caring species now. We're still savage animals like a lizard dinosaur. Ah, baboon right? But we have this super high level of compassion which is the only reason ah and desire for connection emotionally and intellectually which is why people painted on cave walls. And left their handprints. There. There's no reason to do that unless you want another person to see it this desire to like leave your Mark and be part of the tribe and sustain and so that's also very easily leveraged to make absolute bad choices. But ah comparative good choices and it relates back to what we were talking about I think ah, it made me think of ah self versus system and I'm also very much system oriented like I it's hard for me to pick something specific to care about. Because the first thing I do is I see how it's connected to a none other things like like world hunger I always come back to this I'm like how is that even possible world hunger is impossible unless you're fucking with the ecosystem. You know what? I mean. 16:56.77 mikebledsoe Yeah. 16:58.60 Max Shank Like there's the right amount of creatures for a certain area or they overeat and then they under reproduce and it like has this normal recycling effect. So if you look at the big system. Totally so the difference between looking at an individual. 17:07.50 mikebledsoe Ah, the the planet is abundant with food. 17:17.80 Max Shank Person versus the system I mean look it's not good when someone shoots up a school. Let me be clear I don't think it's good when someone shoots up a school I think it's bad just so there's no confusion here but all but also um, like. 17:28.54 mikebledsoe Okay, okay. 17:36.28 Max Shank Let's just shut the fuck up like it becomes such a hot button story but it's such a low amount of the whole system right? So now we're like a fraction of a fraction I mean you could do the math like what's I'm not trying to. 17:45.62 mikebledsoe Right. 17:54.53 Max Shank Make light of the situation right? But it's None out of 350000000 people when you know a none are dying of diarrhea or something like that. It's like or fucking mosquitoes are taken out way more people than depressed teenagers with firearms. And so it's like we really don't it's so rare to see people think in systems because ironically the system itself is just taking people on a wave where they care about None thing at a time but they care about it with their whole heart. And they use none of their brain to think about the system at play here and they're like I care about Ukraine this month I care about George Floyd this month I care about police brutality this month or ooh I'm suddenly interested in Afghanistan again because they told me to be like what. What the fuck man I get it. 18:50.75 mikebledsoe Yeah, well, it's very and it is very interesting because I I don't know if it's just because I'm paying attention in a different way or things are actually have actually sped up the. The news cycle is perfectly paced to keep people distracted and if you try to stick with I'm like Afghanistan right? The Afghanistan issue went on the Afghanistan issue went on way longer than it was reported to have gone on. Ah. 19:13.33 Max Shank Yeah, a trillion miles an hour 19:26.83 mikebledsoe News about ukraine is dying off actually a lot of the news is now turning into the Ukrainian troops are are you know hiding in civilians' homes and Civilians are getting killed and they're they're breaking international law. But then the. The journalists are kind of like softening it Up. It's like yeah but they kind of have to and it's like no, that's fucking Illegal. Um. 19:48.42 Max Shank Um, there's a huge reason like it's so good to just look through an abbreviated version of the amendments like 1 of the None rules is no fucking troops can stay at your house and like these people were smart. 19:55.77 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, and that's a Us thing but that's also an international thing. 20:05.91 Max Shank I Mean these people were smart putting these rules together. So there's there's a reason and and you said it here's how it ah shakes out right? yeah. 20:12.90 mikebledsoe Yeah, things degrade and when troops starts staying in homes and ah you know their job is to protect the population and now they're just putting the population in danger so that the gangsters in charge can win. And yeah. 20:29.70 Max Shank Martial law mob mob rule. 20:31.51 mikebledsoe And so yeah, and you know people are just jumping from None thing to another so I'm just pointing out in that news cycle. How like things have to shift in order to keep people distracted and you're right? It keeps them from thinking about the whole system. It keeps them from thinking about. Like why are we always in some type of pickle like the amount of like the fear cycle is just insane and um, you know I don't really? ah. 21:00.27 Max Shank Because it pays because it because it pays I mean all of this is related to what you said about people making decisions on an individual basis. I mean it's very possible to run a tight ship as a dictator right? but. It doesn't rebalance as quickly or easily as when we're all just adjusting to the natural rhythms right? You vote with what you pay attention to you vote with your dollars you vote with who you spend time with and if you're always. 21:27.14 mikebledsoe E. 21:36.45 mikebledsoe It's ah it's a slower. It's a slower and smoother evolution for everybody the the centralized decision making can be very herky jerky it can it can create whiplash and often does. 21:42.81 Max Shank Yeah, oh no. 21:52.15 mikebledsoe Yeah, they get results quickly but how much harm is done in the process when when you're decentralizing the decision making like you're talking about it definitely creates slower reaction times but they're usually safer there. Any Danger is. Isolated to a single area and isn't replicated amongst the entire system and um people have a higher level autonomy which means that people are also experiencing the feedback of their behavior in a much tighter system that allows them to become you know, attain more knowledge and wisdom. 22:13.19 Max Shank Oh. 22:28.26 Max Shank O. 22:29.87 mikebledsoe Ah, without being robbed of that by having their decision making diffused over the entire population. 22:35.22 Max Shank Yeah I really think of it like a shock absorber. Basically ah, it just has more ah more little shock absorbers rather than just 1 linchpin where one guy is calling all the shots and of course it's always the guy who. 22:38.99 mikebledsoe E. 22:52.93 Max Shank Desperately wants the big chair and the big stick which coincidentally is the only person who should be disqualified from that position entirely It's just like it's good to remember with all this stuff. It. It is just mob rule based on a popularity contest. Like that's crazy. So I think it's um, maximizing attention but minimizing action. So if you have a news cycle. That's so quickly. Um with writers who know what fucking sets your ah heart and balls aflame ah they're going to. Use the software to even readjust and so there always have something that is commanding a tremendous amount of your attention but they'll never um, give you time to do any action about it. So you you have like None attention and zero percent action which is good if you're. Meditating about your unity with the universe but it's pretty shit if you're like watching people get murdered and bombed and. 23:58.29 mikebledsoe Yeah, well I think this puts us in a very precarious situation. So um I think you and I both agree that that the United States as far as a group of people is probably the most advanced. Um, the plan is I say the largest group that's the most advanced politically government wise. It's a big you know 33350000000 people are all participating in a yeah for this. 24:20.30 Max Shank That's such a huge group. Yeah I would say it has the best infrastructure for the most part. 24:33.36 mikebledsoe You know, a lot of times people like to compare what's happening like the Netherlands to here or Denmark. It's like it's like those people have like ah like less than 10000000 people in the entire country. We have 330000000 this is a different. It's a different situation. Um. 24:36.20 Max Shank Or Norway Norway. Yeah, right. Right. 24:50.70 mikebledsoe But you know just just the fact that our country is based on on a philosophical these philosophical concepts of natural law. You know puts us ahead of the curve in a lot of ways. Um the expression of that. Yeah, so. 25:00.79 Max Shank And it makes it more difficult. It makes it more difficult because it's a bit of a fractured culture Also like I think one of the things that I think that's why I interrupted you. It's so important I think I shouldn't do it anyway. But it's so important to recognize that. 25:11.63 mikebledsoe In. 25:18.98 Max Shank In America. The only thing that united us was a desire for freedom to manifest your own destiny now if that includes you know some native genocide then I think we were basically okay with that at the time not now. But at the time that was okay. But so that's the unifying idea but we don't have a culture like let's say Norway or let's say Japan some examples that I think of off the top my head where that there are so many things that are done that are not done because it's the law. Or even because it's profitable. It's done because that's what that culture does and that sort of unity makes things run way more smoothly. 26:00.68 mikebledsoe Yeah. Yeah, well and everything comes down to narrative and so what we have in the United States is you know Ah the United States was like the beginning of the decentralization of of power of personal response. Of responsibility. It's a decentralizing of that and it's just continued to decentralize decentralized decentralize and what's happened now is there's been a decentralization of narrative and we have you know human beings for none of years grew up in a. With a lot fewer people a lot fewer interactions. We're exposed to way fewer narratives and variations of that narrative and if you go to somewhere like China or Russia I guarantee you that narrative is pretty fucking tight. There's not a lot of variation from. Whatever the top is telling the bottom and it creates a lot of unity like if everybody were buying into the same narrative. This is what hitler was able to achieve you know at the the early years he unified everybody with a common narrative. 27:02.67 Max Shank Ah, right. 27:10.45 Max Shank Totally f. 27:19.96 mikebledsoe And everything went pretty well until you know he took control of all those people's minds and decided to take it sideways. But this I think a lot of people you know, either consciously or subconsciously are. Upset and I imagine a lot of people in these government agencies with ah a lot of these Intel agencies think that it's their job to create a common narrative to unify everybody even if it is reducing things like freedom of Speech. Um, and we know that by reducing things like freedom of speech that just leads to tyranny. Yeah. 27:58.62 Max Shank The ends justify the means the ends justify the means I mean whenever you get someone with a grandiose idea like that Hitler Napoleon whatever it doesn't matter. They will. That's why I think orwell said it was the most dangerous type of guy because they think they're. Ah, justified in what they're doing. They think they're the hero so they'll commit atrocities thinking that they're the good guy and then there's no way to work them out of that idea and they think oh god that's why you know with everything happening I'm i. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if some really clever people. Ah for good reasons were like we need the world to stop working the way it does because if they believe a story that we are destroying ourselves and the world. Um, you know 7000000000 people plus this giant. Ah, ball or disc. You're on depending on what people are thinking now. Ah the turtle show. Yeah, it's half. It's a half dome. That's a great place to visit by the way half down in Yosemite. Beautiful 10 out of 10 recommend but I would. 29:00.32 mikebledsoe The turtle show. Um, if. 29:15.37 Max Shank I could totally get it especially as a systems thinker if I could push a button right now and murder 1000000 people and it guaranteed utopia for the remaining ah billions I would be an asshole not to do it almost right? So if you have that belief. 29:30.59 mikebledsoe Yeah. 29:34.92 Max Shank You're like I gotta fucking rape and kill these people for for for the greater good and whenever you hear greater good that that should be like if you hear the word greater Good rest assured you're gonna be bleeding from the Asshole soon. Either literally or metaphorically. 29:53.00 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, so it it becomes concerning because I think that even though America and the ideals that it was founded on is create a situation where we have decentralized narratives and. And infinite narratives and variations of those narratives I mean you've got on. Um one side you've got say something like mainstream media and on the other side you have q and on and q and on is putting out None narrative and in ah in a very convincing way the mainstream. Media is putting out ah narratives and neither one of them are correct and both of them are probably just as far from the truth as the other one is and but then you have all these other variations and ah. 30:42.90 Max Shank It might be the truth from their perspective by the way like it might be false information but they might believe what they're saying which means they're telling the truth but they're telling a falsehood. Also. 30:50.85 mikebledsoe Of course. Yeah well I mean I like to define truth is just what has happened and what is happening and people's ideas or perceptions about the truth are are not the truth. 31:06.59 Max Shank I call that a fact good hard hard to have 1 You can't have a complete one either. That's the problem. 31:08.86 mikebledsoe So yeah, there you go? Yeah very few people have any facts. Um, yeah. Ah, yeah, so we we we were're in this really strange predicament predicament as americans and what triggered this thought for me was ah the other day China basically cut off like none of. Communication and interaction with the United States and basically said we're not going to participate in our military is communicating and all this stuff. This was ah Friday and I was like oh oh I've been in conflicts before and when one side goes. 31:46.80 Max Shank How exciting. 31:55.77 mikebledsoe Silent That's bad juju that's like everybody contracts everybody starts preparing everyone starts wondering who's going to strike first. These are these are these are the thoughts that run across people who are in conflict so people in the military. What do you think. 32:07.40 Max Shank Winding up. 32:11.66 Max Shank Move. 32:14.71 mikebledsoe China Goes silent. What do you think the American military does fucking getting ready just relaxing launch hairs. Yeah yeah, so yeah, just give some space I need some space. Ah but I get thinking about it and I go Wow I look at um, ah. 32:16.51 Max Shank Probably just just relaxes. No big deal. Yeah, they're fine. Give give them time. Give them some space. 32:34.64 mikebledsoe You know if you go to say Ukraine right now like there's not a lot of slobs hanging around Ukraine or Russia there there might be some drunks but there's not a bunch of so weak slobs and you come. 32:46.21 Max Shank Well, they're not a lot of weak people because they just can't be I don't know what you mean by slob but I definitely agree that if you're in an environment that doesn't permit it. It's kind of like that idea about world hunger like if you're in a place you're eating if you're in a really harsh dangerous place. You're tough and you're eating or you're dead. It's like when ah when that Ufc guy. Ah Kabib you remember him and I remember I was just watching because he was like trained in the mountains by his dad who was like a fourth generation. Wrestler. 33:05.10 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so like. 33:24.61 Max Shank You know and he's just like running up a mountain with boulders when he's like 4 meanwhile you know you could have someone who's raised in Orange County and who's like you know I think I'm going to get into some kickboxing or something like that and they might meet in the same place like in the cage. That's just funny to me. 33:36.98 mikebledsoe Right. Yeah, no, no and and depending on the sport you know 3 minute rounds the orange county guy might do all right? but I bet if he took it to 20 minute rounds you know we're in a different. 33:44.26 Max Shank They're like not the same creature. Basically. 33:57.22 Max Shank Right? Yeah, yeah, it was kind of like ah rocky versus Ivan Draggo also right rocky is just training in the barn with big hunks of wood and the other drawgo in the science lab getting injected with stuff and there's like a. 34:00.73 mikebledsoe In a different place. So ah, yeah, yeah. 34:13.37 mikebledsoe Yeah, typical russian. 34:17.10 Max Shank Super computer on the on the wall. Yeah is awesome. 34:20.54 mikebledsoe Um, did you ever watch ah was it icarus the documentary on the russians doping program. It's really good. It's really good. You should check it out. It's on Netflix. So. 34:29.57 Max Shank Now sounds amazing. 34:38.22 mikebledsoe So I look at this and I and I look around in the United States and I'm I'm thinking I mean you and I both have been trying to help these people you know, get their shit together and there's a lot of people that need to get their shit together or it would would it be better for the rest of us if they got their shit together. 34:56.73 Max Shank Who are we talking about now just people. 34:57.23 mikebledsoe And um, you know if they did something you know people who think that they're doing their duty by getting a vaccine instead of just taking care of their health. Overall so a lot of fats. There's a lot of slobs getting ah vaccinations instead of just. 35:03.77 Max Shank Oh shots fired folks to totally. 35:17.10 mikebledsoe Creating some type of interest about their overall health or learning about how their body works. So. 35:20.26 Max Shank Yo that that's a shocking funny thing I mean it's tragic also like I never hear I got to get this out though I never hear ads anywhere but I clicked on the radio because I didn't have my like. Ah, phone on Bluetooth It's it when it whatever I'm listening to the radio. 35:38.42 mikebledsoe He's poor folks easy listening radio. 35:42.69 Max Shank Ah, and I heard like a fucking a fucking jingle like a little jingle song about how you should get your kids this shot and it's like yo what the fuck I'm I'm just I'm listening to this I'm like are you fucking kidding me. Like how how is this it it sounded like I was listening to mother Goose Barney on sesame street talking about how you should you know fucking inject your None ar old with this experiment for for what the fuck and. Bet a lot of people do that and that thought made me really sad that thought made me really sad because I was like what no don't and and I realize that is what's happening. 36:24.30 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 36:31.84 mikebledsoe Yeah, was I think they created laws where like um, serial companies can't make can't target kids with like cartoon advertising. They basically can't advertise sugar cereal to kids anymore. 36:45.97 Max Shank Yep. 36:50.65 mikebledsoe But they're doing it with pharmaceuticals which is fucking insane. 36:52.98 Max Shank Why can we advertise pharmaceutical I mean I'm a hardcore capitalist when I get right down to it. But Jesus Christ like that. But then again, then again you I still have that strong belief that the customer is always right? So it's not too. Ah. Like fight against these companies. It's to illuminate and like help people understand how to apply some logic and I think a big part of it actually relates back to the openness that you and I were talking about you have to be open to not know what's going on to be. To be wrong and you have to be open to the idea that the people who are in charge of both countries and companies may not in fact, be having your best interest at heart. So you got to use your critical thinking a little bit. 37:48.93 mikebledsoe It's the only thing you have that's gonna that's gonna help you out like you can't rely on other people. Um well going to like ah I'm with you on the whole like you know both by the us being capitalists and that we believe in. Voluntary interaction between individuals and that means if someone is going to create and make a drug then I have every right to purchase that from them and there's no one has the right to get between the None of us on creating that transaction and here's the thing is with the. Pharmaceutical companies in the us. Yes, ah the us and New Zealand I think are the only None countries that allow pharmaceutical companies to advertise at a citizens through media and the rest of the countries don't but here's the thing is not only have they allowed that to happen. Which I think that people should be able to run an ad for anything they want ah but they have also cornered the market. There's an entire agency from the government called the Dea who harass people who are and kill and and jail people. 38:47.82 Max Shank Agreed agreed. 39:01.64 mikebledsoe Who are selling drugs that they don't think should be sold and so you have an entire agency that their job is to squash out anything. That's not the pharmaceutical companies. So the pharmaceutical companies have leveraged the violence of government. While also creating deals to be able to market. So. It's a double whammy if you were to say okay, we're going to open up the entire market and everyone can advertise like if I want to advertise my cocaine if I want to advertise whatever it is you know or Lipitor or whatever it is. And that would actually cause people at least should cause people to to activate their critical thinking because now they have to go? Well, what's the difference between these two things and ah. Because right now they think the difference between those 2 things is None is safe and None is not safe and it's not safe or safe based on what somebody else thinks so they don't even think about they don't even think to do the research on it and so there's um so going to. Should people be able to advertise I say yes and we should do away with some people getting preferential treatment from the government that that is giving some people more rights than others. 40:27.39 Max Shank Agreed and here's how I'm gonna tie it back to what we were discussing about openness and relationships and your experience. So there's this concept of nonviolent communication right? where you're not um. 40:42.55 mikebledsoe In. 40:46.64 Max Shank You're not an opponent.. You're a collaborator and in a country or a nation or a state of some kind. Ah they have a system of laws and the law is basically when the violence comes out. So imagine if you're in a relationship. And you have to use the threat of violence to control this party all the time that it's basically like the more you have to use the stick the more fucked you basically are you really shouldn't have to enforce. That many things with violence but ah, nothing is more effective. Certainly imagine if like every discussion you got into with a romantic partner. You were like blah blah blah. 41:34.21 mikebledsoe Yeah. 41:43.48 Max Shank Or I'll fucking beat you Yo I've never hit a woman unless she asked me to however, ah, there's like I would win easy in a in a in a fight. Of some kind if that was possible to just be like hey I say this goes or I will beat you like of course if you don't have any critical thinking. You'll just do that every time but it's pretty asshole move. But that's what law is it's like fucking do this or. 42:17.38 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 42:21.47 Max Shank We will Imprison you or kill you or what the fuck ever and the irony is that it's all of the people who hide away from society the most who are voting the people in to control the people that they're. Afraid of because they're a little too free right? ooh that person might do a bad thing. We need more drugs off the streets. They got to stop with those violent video games. It's like fucking busybodies across the board. But ah you, um, you mentioned a good. 42:40.31 mikebledsoe Yeah. 42:58.20 Max Shank Ah, tonic for that realization which is to recognize that there's there's really no such thing as law. It's just consequences right? You do whatever you want? You know you're 100% free to do what you want all the time and there are just consequences right? I find that. 43:14.54 mikebledsoe Yeah, like. 43:17.71 Max Shank Find that a very ah, comfortable way to live and it's also very accepting too because then you go everyone else is always free to do as they like and talk about the burden. That's off your shoulders because look these people these busybodies These are not happy people. 43:35.29 mikebledsoe Now. 43:37.17 Max Shank These might be the most ah mentally ah tortured people ever because they have all this attention. They have no action within their own lives and they're just trying to gain control by leveraging the violence. Of a more powerful entity right? So They're not powerful themselves. They're just trying to diminish everyone else because they're always afraid that someone might do something that that's not a happy person. That's that's no way to go. You know we got Avoidance. We got exposure right. 44:08.57 mikebledsoe Okay, now. 44:16.98 Max Shank Avoidance is a path that only leads you to an underground bunker where you are in complete control of the environment. But also you're completely trapped complete exposure is you just have no discernment so you probably walk off of a cliff or get eaten by a tiger or what the fuck ever. But. Um I think part of what makes the slobs or the weak people is they engage in a little too much avoidance and not enough exposure. 44:44.97 mikebledsoe Yeah, agree. 44:51.78 mikebledsoe Out of thought that I lost but it'll come now we talked about um, rejection or acceptance tolerant. Yeah. 44:54.27 Max Shank Is it about openness and acceptance we talked about that last week right the difference between tolerance. Yeah I mean it's this is a perfect example of that. 45:09.50 mikebledsoe Yeah I. 45:18.82 Max Shank Comes come. 45:19.49 mikebledsoe This this cuts out the pauses. That's okay, if we pause. 45:25.12 Max Shank In my normal life I do way more and longer pauses than on a podcast. 45:33.84 mikebledsoe Yeah. 45:38.96 Max Shank Also have a different agenda. 45:50.20 Max Shank So what did you learn from your experience the one you were telling me about. Yeah. 45:53.33 mikebledsoe Which one with my lady. Um I learned a lot I learned that you know we we we we. Did a question prompt which was tell me a story I wrote it up on a chalkboard tell me a story about a time you felt fulfilled and then just kept asking each other about stories of fulfillment and looking for patterns and so. 46:22.51 Max Shank Oh. 46:28.61 Max Shank Ah. 46:31.46 mikebledsoe Um, was like oh okay I see a pattern of fulfillment for myself I see a pattern of fulfillment for her. It's like okay if we want to experience more fulfillment moving forward. We should probably do things that are similar to what made us fulfilled in the past and. 46:47.95 Max Shank A. 46:50.54 mikebledsoe Yeah, there's definitely patterns of that that was that was really cool to dive into you don't have to take anything to answer these questions or journal about that. But um, it does help and so that was really really beautiful. 46:58.46 Max Shank A. 47:07.76 mikebledsoe None of the things I want to I want to cut back over to is my concern and ah, we're kind of jumping back and forth. But my concern is we have ah an entire country of people who. Can't agree on a single narrative or even 2 or 3 narratives and then you have countries like Russia and China who have that single narrative and even though we may be because society progresses and as the pendulum swings between organization and chaos. 47:42.21 Max Shank Boom. 47:44.24 mikebledsoe Definitely in a chaotic place and when we're experiencing chaos. It's a great time for someone else who's experiencing organization to take advantage of the people who are in chaos. So that's my one concern is even though we're we are advancing. We are weak during the advancement and um, you know when I heard the news that China Cut Off Communications I was like ah you know I've never seen the country more divided what a what a perfect time to. 48:14.98 Max Shank Oh. 48:20.50 mikebledsoe To pull out more tricks. 48:21.19 Max Shank So when you say concern. Ah, that's like ah low grade fear perhaps of something specific ah happening because of that lack of open and ah. 48:40.71 mikebledsoe Yeah, absolutely got it? Yeah yeah, yeah. 48:41.80 Max Shank Congruent communication. So you're concerned maybe about like war. Yeah yeah, War is not that Cool. You know how earlier I was like really anti-school Shootings I'm also very anti-war. I Know it's a bold stance to take. 49:03.89 mikebledsoe Ah, yeah, Wars Funny man. It's just um, people just not getting along people people wanting to rule over ah over other people is what it comes down to. 49:16.50 Max Shank You know one of the one of the most consistent thoughts I've had is like you know when you're a kid at least in my experience when you're a kid and you see None people fighting and you know there's no need for them to be fighting. Like you have this perspective where them fighting is retarded. It's stupid. There's no need for it. You know you have this unique perspective where you can see what each of them want but neither of them can see what they want. Like they're just blinded in this like cloud of dust and one of the most prevailing thoughts I've had as an adult has been this. This is just ah, a failure to communicate everybody needs to just settle down like relax. We all want basically the same thing but it's it's so surprising. That's the most lasting idea it just seems so unnecessary for people to speak to each other with such venom and it seems like. All these disagreements are basically manufactured. Um, yeah, it's ah I used to get really sad about that honestly and now I I kind of like that. Ah, that quote that ends up. Where you try to change your nation realize you can't try to change your city realize you can't try to change your family realize you can't try to change yourself and you're like man if only I'd done this sooner. It would have had that ricochet effect on out and ah. Mentioned in the past how the the distance between your zone of awareness and zone of control is like your feeling of powerlessness. So if you're aware of like a thousand problems globally which is like I don't know whatever. Twenty Thousand Miles Pi are cubed or squared or some shit like that I don't fucking know I don't I don't remember surface area of a sphere right now but your control area is very small. It's like five feet versus you know. None of Square Miles 51:45.30 mikebledsoe Totally I've um, I've been experiencing like the the most grounded groundedness I've had in my entire life the last year and a half I just get more and more grounded and one of the results of getting more and more grounded is. Getting much more in touch with that reality of the only thing I can change is me and ah mikeness. Yeah, yeah, well because before I was had some grandiose thoughts about how I could make a. 52:04.85 Max Shank Of this. 52:13.78 Max Shank It's an it's a type of accept acceptance I think. 52:23.55 mikebledsoe You know, a really big impact by you know, being really influential and and you know having a lot of followers or whatever. Yeah, like I know what to do. 52:30.88 Max Shank I'll fix it I'll fix it. That was what I thought I'll I'll fix it and then ah I'm like I'm like just like those ah fucking grandiose big chair guys. It's like the same thing I Just don't want a big chair I'll fix it I'll fix it. 52:40.86 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, yeah, just do what I tell you to do ah so fuck your ideas. So you know I um I just got become less and less concerned. 52:47.54 Max Shank Yeah. 53:00.12 mikebledsoe I keep up with what's going on I don't let it dominate my my thinking you know it's 1 thing to have awareness or to learn of what's going on around the world. It's another thing that dwell on it. Um, and I become much more focused on what I can impact immediately like you know how. 53:03.76 Max Shank So. 53:20.20 mikebledsoe Comfortable Can I make my home. That's a sanctuary instead of you know, trying to worry about like I don't care if I drive a fancy car I need where I spend the most time at my home people come to my home people come to my home and they go Wow this. 53:22.79 Max Shank Ah. 53:29.29 Max Shank Right? You got different values. 53:39.45 mikebledsoe Place is really nice and comfortable. It's not It's not a big expensive home. It's ah it's a moderate home. It's a middle class home. Ah, but it's not but we've created a vibe inside that just. Very welcoming and peaceful and calm and so Ashley and I when we go out in the world. We we have this calmness and peacefulness about us and people they want to know how we do things and you know we get really strong reflections about us. And the thing is neither one of us are going out to try to teach people how to be much I mean this is about the extent of it right? Ah put a band man. Yeah there you go. 54:21.53 Max Shank What is a good man but a bad man's Teacher. What is a bad man but a good man's job. 54:32.36 mikebledsoe Ah, so you know the the thing that I keep circling ah since becoming more grounded is really the idea of leading. By example, if I'm not if I'm not happy with how other people are behaving then who I want. 54:45.84 Max Shank 5 54:51.40 mikebledsoe Everyone else to be I have not fully embodied myself in a way that it's noticeable or I haven't done it long enough or repeated the behavior enough for people to take note or the benefits of taking those behaviors I haven't been doing it enough in order for people to take note but I'll tell you. That the majority of benefit that I that I think I have helped people achieve has been through modeling and because people learn through modeling they create their desires are created because of modeling and and. 55:25.57 Max Shank Absolutely. 55:29.40 mikebledsoe For me to think that I said something in particular to get somebody to a specific goal is that is incorrect. You know if I if I wasn't living my life a certain way. People wouldn't give a shit about the words that I was using and in fact, they're probably modeling. 55:38.91 Max Shank On. 55:48.47 mikebledsoe A lot of my behavior but are giving credit to the words that I use because people people want. That's the logical things like oh I heard this thing and then I put it in place and now that's logical. But I think. 55:55.16 Max Shank Ah, well, you're. 56:03.60 Max Shank I fixed it I fixed it and what it's what's funny is by being a model you unburden yourself of the responsibility of getting them to behave a certain way and you're not burdening them with a fucking command. 56:05.74 mikebledsoe Most who are learning through modeling. 56:17.29 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 56:23.29 Max Shank So You are completely unburdened. Ah because you're not trying to force them to be a certain way or manipulate them to be a certain way. People think the word manipulate has a lot of a negative connotation and it does but really, that's all we do. Is we manipulate the world and people for our benefit and sometimes for others. 56:41.84 mikebledsoe Yeah I think well I had a conversation with a woman yesterday about this. She was talking about manipulation I was like well I like to create the distinction between influence and manipulation and ah in it with influence I am I am. 56:50.23 Max Shank Um, yeah. 57:00.75 mikebledsoe Making somebody else more informed about something so that they can make a better choice for themselves. Manipulation is I'm likely trying to make them less informed or confuse them in a way so that they'll do do the behavior I'll do not because they have ah a greater understanding. 57:04.25 Max Shank The. 57:20.37 mikebledsoe So that's yeah, so it's like instead of thinking about it as just like a spectrum of manipulation and say no manipulation is this thing and influences this thing they're very different in my mind So when I'm approaching people. The question I have to ask myself is you know. 57:20.83 Max Shank It's like fraud. Yeah. 57:31.10 Max Shank Yeah, yeah. 57:38.41 mikebledsoe If you're if you're going out and you're going to talk to a girl are you are you practicing influence on the date or are you manipulating And yeah, that wasn't for you that wasn't for you. Um. 57:45.79 Max Shank Manipulating for sure I mean wait wait that was oh that was a rhetorical question. Got it? Yeah oh got it I mean I. 57:53.95 mikebledsoe Yeah, but I mean this happens a lot and like people talk about marketing and they're like they're like oh marketing is so manipulative I'm like well what kind of marketing are you doing? Are you. 58:04.31 Max Shank That's why I bring up machiavelli do the ends justify the means if you believe in a product this is an easy argument to make if you believe in a product you should be willing to say anything to sell as many as possible. That's one way of looking at it so you could totally. Ah. Forgive psychologically ah any kind of what might be considered a dirty tactic but I want to ah touch on something None things actually before we move on 1 one of the things that is taken away one of the burdens that's relieved by just being the example. Is. You're not lusting after your own acceptance I'm gonna say that again. So you're not lusting after your own acceptance because what you're doing is you are looking to have someone say you fixed it or you did it. Or whatever. So instead of lusting after that now that desire's gone and if you look at it from a zen buddhist ah framework that desire being gone is going to bring you a lot more peace and a lot more clarity and a lot more flow. You're not going to feel that burden like. Oh I got to I got to like remind myself that I'm good by helping this guy and then another thing you said, um, that was related to being the example and you said it to me like ah. 59:23.62 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 59:36.73 Max Shank It was at your house out here. It was a long time ago. It was like maybe five to seven years ago and yeah, he's been enlightened for a long time. Ah you you it was just about it just was one of those times where I was very receptive and I listened and i. 59:43.17 mikebledsoe I've been enlightened for a while. All. 59:53.98 Max Shank Started putting it into practice. A lot was I stopped listening as much to what people were saying and more focused on how they were being and now what I'll do sometimes is I'll I'll just try to listen to the noise that someone's making and look at their posture. 01:00:10.37 mikebledsoe Yeah. 01:00:11.72 Max Shank And I'll try to look beyond the words and see do they go up and down and up and down with their talk and ah du and is their music ah did and you see how the how that flow is kind of coming out. Ah it's It's really interesting to see how people are being. Ah. Because I think that's actually a lot more honest than what that because people are very tricky like have you ever Seen. Ah a really good actor fucking say any word combination and their expression on their face will trick the shit out of me my god. 01:00:46.28 mikebledsoe That it's insane. Insane. Oh yeah, the the tonality thing is interesting. So your time about body language. Um, you know if somebody has really poor posture hunched over. Um I start I start. 01:00:49.99 Max Shank Yeah. 01:00:56.98 Max Shank And. 01:01:04.88 mikebledsoe Noticing when they're more hunched or more open which may be rare that they're open. But oh wow they they don't feel safe or they have a history of not feeling safe and they just haven't had the physical restoration of their body. Um. 01:01:06.16 Max Shank O m. 01:01:14.94 Max Shank The. 01:01:23.46 mikebledsoe It' not like like whatever is happening energetically takes a lot longer to manifest physically. And yeah me too. 01:01:29.28 Max Shank I Used to cross my arms all the time all the time all the time and I would do that thing where you flex your knuckles into your arms from the from the back so that ah your biceps look a little bigger and your little forearm. Extensor muscles look bigger so you get these? Ah, It's like the standard personal trainer photo and I look back at I look back at all these photos I took and every single one I've got like fucking sunglasses ah under armor ah shirt that's skin tight. And my arms are crossed and I'm like that guy doesn't want anyone to know who he is that guy So now I'm super sensitive to it I notice when I see people cross their arms I think it's a really funky posture the the arm crop. Yeah. 01:02:10.62 mikebledsoe Be yeah, exactly just. 01:02:23.65 mikebledsoe We're putting the hands in pockets too. 01:02:27.00 Max Shank What what do you do with your hands though. You can't just be like Ricky Bobby like I don't know what to do with them. 01:02:31.45 mikebledsoe Yeah, there's something about and there's a military thing. There's no hands in the pockets. Um, and what I noticed from years of not hanging out with hands in my pockets is. There's. 01:02:37.26 Max Shank Yeah, yeah, 1 01:02:47.69 mikebledsoe Hands in the pockets is a really safe place to put your hands when you're insecure about like having a more open posture. It's like it's like halfway open and yeah it is kind of strange sometimes I I have to find things to do with my hands every once in a while I'll let myself put my hands into my pocket. 01:02:56.22 Max Shank Yeah, interesting. 01:03:06.46 mikebledsoe Only when I know that um you know it's not coming from a place of insecurity. It's like I'm hanging out my friends I just feel like putting my hands in my pocket I'm gonna fucking do it but it it is something that I was I overdid until I couldn't do it anymore and then that's when I recognized oh this is something that. 01:03:10.34 Max Shank Yeah. 01:03:20.31 Max Shank What. 01:03:26.63 mikebledsoe It's a safety you know it's my safety blanket to put my hands in my pockets and kind of hard to be ready for shit when your hands in the pockets when you want to you want to be running down the road. 01:03:30.20 Max Shank That kind of curiosity Impossible I mean unless you got something good in there then it's even better. 01:03:41.66 mikebledsoe Running down the road with your hands in your pockets. That's that's when people knock their teeth out. No. 01:03:42.17 Max Shank Oh yeah, yeah, that's not good, but if you got something interesting in your pocket and could be a great spot. Hey now. Um, yeah I think. 01:03:50.27 mikebledsoe I've always got some interesting in there. So. 01:03:58.80 Max Shank The curiosity we're talking about about posture I mean look it's no, It's no mystery that you and I are are nerds about things like this about communication about the way the body moves about integrating the body mind heart The rest of them Chakras and so. I Think that's one of those things that can accelerate that openness if you so curiosity is such a ah powerful force of moving into the Unknown. It's the difference between the unknown being scary and the unknown being exciting. And interesting. It's like an a curious is an opportunity forward right? It's the exact opposite of fear right? which is like ah a threat an unknown threat oncoming versus an unknown opportunity oncoming. And we're talking about using different medicines to do that. The other option is to be extremely invested into what you and I are talking about. So I Think that's one of the things that is attractive about using different medicines like I'm. I'm ah experimenting with some puppy medicine right now I have a feeling it's going to ah increase openness probably patience Positivity Ah love Perhaps I I don't know yet. It'll be really interesting to see how that. Changes my paradigm but I think that's really the the pull of those different medicines psychedelics. Whatever cocktail you and your witch doctor can concoct um, is because it can. Increase your connection and alleviate burdens very quickly. It's like you can either get high by doing breathing exercises and going for a run or you can get high by smoking some cannabis or crack or something like that. You know there are a lot of there are a lot of ways to do it. Sometimes you just have something That's a little more push button so to speak and short term. Well but the effects are long term a lot of the time I mean the walls aren't melting forever. 01:06:12.79 mikebledsoe Yeah, and short term. Totally totally if done well now that would be terrible. 01:06:26.20 Max Shank Thankfully, but but you get the you get the alleviation of some of that that guard that dropping of the guard and openness is what allows you to. See some of the filters that you've put on kind of coming back to the stories like I feel sad when I talk to people and I see them hardcore into one narrative or the other because you know, um, there's basically nothing you can say that will resolve that and I I Think. Can pick up on queues and I know a lot of weird facts. But ah once someone's locked into a narrative like that. It's very tricky to get out unless they themselves are getting curious and then you have a chance to take away some of those layers but I think sometimes. 01:07:15.54 mikebledsoe Yeah. 01:07:22.89 Max Shank Using those substances can sort of accelerate that process. 01:07:25.50 mikebledsoe Um, yeah, it causes a can cause a pattern interrupt I think most people that they're in a pattern that whatever narrative they're in is a pattern of thinking feeling behaving and most people no matter how much. Information may be counter to you know this being a good idea or or whatever they can't seem to break it until there's a pattern interrupt you know, somebody somebody ends up with heart disease or cancer or something like that like wakes some of its pattern interrupt is like oh I can't keep eating the banas. 01:08:00.40 Max Shank Car accident for my mom car accident changed her life. She wasn't injured the car was totaled but ah the whole trajectory of her life changed and she was in her fifty s I mean she was already like a fully baked human so to speak. 01:08:04.25 mikebledsoe Car accident. Yeah. 01:08:12.20 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, so as it it. 01:08:19.90 Max Shank So anything that changes. It's kind of like the only absolute is relativity so you and I our stories are just in relation to everything that we understand so we're like part of a ah net and um so I think we're like None musical note. And when you get together with ah lsd you strike a different chord than if you do heroin and if you hang out with puppies or if you drink coffee like I I drink coffee basically daily um some sometimes I'll skip for like a week or something like that. But I've been pretty. Hot on coffee for at least like six months now and I I enjoy it It's just a different ah chord. You know I'm a note coffee's a note boom play them at the same time. That's this different type of resonance and everybody needs and likes different things like these two puppies. Different personalities. None person should have coffee None person should probably do a microdose mushrooms or something like that. There's not a one size fits all for everybody which is also why those ah dictatorships inevitably piss off so many people. Because not everybody wants the same sized solution right. 01:09:36.58 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 01:09:40.82 Max Shank Who So here's what I'm thinking I think we want to do a show about ah all the stuff that we like and I want to do a
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00:00.33 mikebledsoe Yes, I was just writing I was doing my books waiting on that max here and. 00:01.00 Max Shank Oh. 00:07.77 Max Shank We were just saying. It's nothing like a ah novel. It's nothing like a ah book. But that's how it all really began was we wanted to write down that you owe me 10 goats and I owe you. My daughter's hand in marriage when she comes of age or something like that right? it's it's Contracts. It's contracts. Basically I O use. 00:25.60 mikebledsoe Yeah I remember. Ah yeah, it's a recording of of transactions so recording of contracts agreements the I remember um watching my. 00:42.30 Max Shank It's like the word record you record a record. 00:44.30 mikebledsoe yeah yeah I remember watching my dad do the books for his business back in like you know the 80 s and 90 s you know I wasn't I wasn't aware enough to know what he was doing until probably the early 90 s but ah. 00:49.82 Max Shank Yeah. E. 01:03.41 mikebledsoe Yeah I just remember him like having an actual book of things and and writing in the ledger where the money went and this not I Just remember like that was the most frustrated I ever saw him like. 01:11.51 Max Shank Oh. 01:18.76 Max Shank Is. 01:20.69 mikebledsoe Like the guy. The guy's a craftsman right? He he was a craftsman and so like ah he was a builder like he did a lot of ah home improvements but also built these really amazing cabins from scratch and yeah. 01:24.29 Max Shank What craft. 01:36.18 Max Shank No shit building a cabin from scratch is like a really cool thing I think now that's what I think is cool now I think that is cool now I used to think lifting something really really big over your head was super cool. 01:39.60 mikebledsoe Yeah, so he was. 01:43.13 mikebledsoe Totally. 01:52.25 mikebledsoe Um, yeah, yeah. 01:55.28 Max Shank And it still kind of is but now making your own cabin from scratch that is fricking cool. 02:01.27 mikebledsoe Well, it's interesting because you know he was so gifted at that and then because he wanted to do things the way he wanted to do them meant that he was going to own his own business which then came with all these other ah requirements. Ah, for. 02:18.27 Max Shank Who. 02:20.53 mikebledsoe To do that because and really the only reason is required is because you have to pay taxes. Other than that you you wouldn't actually have to maintain books. It'd probably be beneficial to maintain books to maintain a ah record of of your transactions and all that stuff. 02:31.97 Max Shank Yeah. 02:37.60 mikebledsoe But I think a guy like that would have done better just to have been winging it the whole time and put more of his attention into what he was actually skilled at. 02:45.24 Max Shank Man that speaks so much to me because we could talk about this probably all day right? where these different personality types crazy thrive in one way and then really struggle in another way and it's like how do you. Compound and multiply your zone of Genius while minimizing the damage of one of these let's just call it a ah deficit or or just like a ah simple lack of desire to do you know back in the day if if you went out on the hunt. 03:15.51 mikebledsoe Um, what. 03:22.60 Max Shank Crafting is like a version of hunting or gathering kind of you can make that that leap it's about energy transformation and generation. Ah, there was no need to really keep a record because you either came home with food or you did not. There's no like little book. Oh I can. 03:35.72 mikebledsoe Right. 03:41.83 Max Shank Didn't get food again today. It's like no, we all know. 03:43.47 mikebledsoe Yeah I think the only like thinking ahead that people had to do early on was if you lived up North you had to think about the seasons changing but aside from that you know if the the closer you move to the equator the less. 03:53.97 Max Shank Um, yeah. 04:01.48 mikebledsoe You really have to keep a record or think about much of the past or the future. It really is about. Did you bring home a kill today or did you find some food today or are we warm. Are we comfortable today? Yeah, so yeah, the um I you know what I I find to be interesting is. 04:10.29 Max Shank Right. 04:21.38 mikebledsoe I avoided doing the books in my business I avoided doing bookkeeping anything with finance at all and so ah, a little over a year ago I decided to I was talking to a friend I was talking to a friend like two and a half years ago and he was like well. 04:27.48 Max Shank It. Ah. 04:40.29 mikebledsoe You know you've never done your books I go no he goes you should probably do your books at some point just so you you know what's happening in the business like at a very granular level and I go I go. Okay, he goes I Still do my books and he's he runs multiple companies and. 04:47.89 Max Shank I. 04:58.20 mikebledsoe This and that definitely a different personality than I am right? but but he was right. There was a there was a there was something about the business I didn't quite understand yes I could get by without it I didn't need to do it. But if I rip. 05:00.86 Max Shank Um, yeah. 05:09.86 Max Shank Um, well, you're a star Mike you can make it you can make it work even if it's not a good plan and I can relate. 05:23.74 mikebledsoe It's how you broke up for a None 05:24.72 Max Shank Oh you can make a good plan Work. You can make a bad plan work. Ah, just because you have those skills and I can super relate to that and when you're ah less wise you trick yourself into thinking. That you had a good plan but really, you had a shit plan and you just happened to pull a miracle out of your ass. 05:48.20 mikebledsoe Yeah, there's a pattern of behavior if you were to look back that the ah and it it is. It's like my whole family The ah the whole family. There was a saying growing up was like a ble so could fall into a pile of shit and still smell like a rose. 05:57.65 Max Shank But. 06:08.40 mikebledsoe like like 1 of those like we would put ourselves in these predicaments. But somehow we'd fucking escape. Yeah yeah, and it was kind of like a running joke. But the the thing is is when that is true when that's happened enough times. It starts. 06:14.20 Max Shank Find the shower. Yeah. 06:22.76 Max Shank Oh. 06:27.66 mikebledsoe It's It's hard to make planning important when not planning you still get pretty good Results. Maybe not the ultimate result you're looking for but pretty good results and I think most people have ah they have developed some type. Of something in their personality ah patterns of behavior in their life where they have continued to get a reward and so that's why they keep behaving that way even though there might be some people saying hey you might want to try it this other way. It's like why would I listen to somebody suggesting to do it another way unless my weight. Hasn't been working but what happens is as we get to a certain point that has happened with me. It's like I keep butting up against the same ceiling right? It's like oh every time I try to make more than this amount of money I hit the ceiling every time I do this I hit a ceiling and or every time I have a certain goal I hit a ceiling in the in. 07:17.28 Max Shank Oh. 07:22.65 Max Shank On. 07:27.70 mikebledsoe Reason is because the thing that got me to where I am now is probably the thing that's going to hold me back moving forward and I'm ah I'm a huge fan of of ah knowing your weaknesses and studying it. 07:33.46 Max Shank Interesting idea. 07:46.19 mikebledsoe A little bit just so you know what you don't know like I I do I learn enough about finance so that I know how to I can at least spot the Bs I can tell if somebody else knows what they're talking about. But if I don't know anything about it and I just straight up delegate it Out. I I think that's dangerous because I've done that before and gotten burned. How about you have you had like business partnerships and stuff like that where like not necessarily because somebody burned you. But. 08:12.67 Max Shank Um, like you repeat that you you receive you repeat the same pattern is that what you're asking or. 08:18.90 mikebledsoe No, no, no like if you don't know enough about a task that you have not developed yourself and say you completely outsource that task That's that's a problem. 08:29.86 Max Shank Oh yeah, yeah, you put something you put something outside of your observation and and it leaves you vulnerable in in several ways I know at Discount Tire They don't promote anyone from the outside. It's only from the um. 08:47.60 mikebledsoe Yeah, um. 08:49.31 Max Shank The bottom up the whole thing and it's all about knowing every part of the process. Ah dude, you've said so many things that I want to respond to I took a couple notes here and the first one was ah in relation to the the bookkeeping. It's like. 09:01.15 mikebledsoe You. 09:07.88 Max Shank Reminded me immediately of the word intuitive eating and intuitive movement. So now we have intu intuitive finances. Ah here here on our show. We do intuitive finance is a new course coming out featuring ah featuring ah the. 09:19.79 mikebledsoe Let me go see if that domain's available. 09:26.96 Max Shank The crypto prince Mike Bledso and the ah the dinosaur. 09:29.82 mikebledsoe Um, there's like so many domains I have to buy right now just spitting them out. Yeah. 09:35.97 Max Shank Totally all right? So check it, you have intuitive eating and intuitive movement people are probably familiar with those terms but None of the things I was talking with my buddy about ah we're like man how are you shouldn't do. Intuitive eating if you suck like if you don't have knowledge and skills like intuitive eating is for sure the best way I would I mean it's a bold claim intuitive eating can be wonderful but you but also you need to have. 10:05.30 mikebledsoe Well, you have to be in touch with your intuition for it to work for 1 10:14.61 Max Shank Some understanding of what is in the food like you can't if you go on just like pure ah like gut reaction. You're just going to eat ah like chips and soda pop all day long because it's delicious. So with finances you dig into the books a little bit. 10:17.74 mikebledsoe By the way. 10:34.52 Max Shank Now you might have a chance to approach something. That's a little bit more intuitive because now you have that vocabulary that ah understanding of the elements right? So that was the None thing I thought of um, it made me laugh. 10:50.14 mikebledsoe Let's you got to have this structure. You have to have this structure in order to flow and like an intuition and flow go hand in hand. Yeah, exactly. 10:55.40 Max Shank Right? We're talking about that last week right we were talking about that last week. The pipes are the structure and it harnesses the flow in the direction you want it to go ah and then the other thing that was interesting. We were talking about how? ah. A good outcome doesn't mean you had a good plan and if you're a super achiever guy. You can basically make a bad plan work and you don't want to conflate those 2 you don't want to confuse those things and think oh my plan was good. Really no, you're a stud but your plan sucks and so that's kind of. Looking at those weaknesses and then finally um, the the the identity perpetuating patterns is a funny one to me like if you ah I don't I don't know if this is true. It feels kind of true to me. But if you pride yourself and you label yourself as someone who's extremely tough who can take a lot of punishment and get back up every time they fall down. I have this idea that life is going to feed you more of that. What do you What do you think about that your identity perpetuating your reality. 12:15.37 mikebledsoe Um, oh yeah, absolutely the? Ah ah well what we have to talk about the reticular activating system in this case and ah the RAS as a part of the brain. 12:27.38 Max Shank Save the 10 dollars words for another podcast you son of a bitch. 12:34.80 mikebledsoe Is responsible for so spotting things. So for instance, um, if I go buy a red pickup truck. What am I going to see a lot of on the road red pickup truck. We all know this we've all heard you know and we've all had the experience of. 12:35.99 Max Shank Fucking nerd. 12:45.98 Max Shank You. 12:52.32 mikebledsoe We become interested in something and then all of a sudden we we start seeing it everywhere and we see it's a sign. Um and and so ah, the same thing happens with identity. If we believe something about ourselves and I like the way you talk about identity max which is you know the story we tell ourselves about ourselves if we that is our identity and we have this story about what is true I also like to think about what we believe to be true about ourselves and what we believe to be true about the world. Those are the None big things to have beliefs about right? It's either a belief about self or belief. 13:28.64 Max Shank Yeah, maybe that's what encompasses your identity right? is your place in the world. Also it's not just the label you attach to yourself. It's um, there's that classic phrase is you know. Life is happening for you. Some people believe and some people believe life happens to you I used to start off asking people questions like ah do you feel Life is more like a game a show or a ride I used to start all my like coaching programs with these weird. 13:47.29 mikebledsoe Right. 14:07.70 Max Shank Questions and then I'd ask people what the word intelligent means and people would stumble all over it and have no clue what smart even means and it was just like this fun thing but depending on how you see life if you see life is more like a ride you might have a hell of a wild and awesome ride. But it's going to be different than someone who thinks they are playing a game that they must win right? It's going to be huge difference. 14:27.60 mikebledsoe Yeah, totally yeah, right is passive that it's happening and there's not much I'm going to do um, a game I'm an active participant. It might be great. Ah. 14:36.17 Max Shank Um, and it might be great. It might be great. The the thing is like I want to I make sure that people understand I'm not trying to say that one is superior although I love games and winning is fun. Winning isn't everything. But it's the only thing right? There's that all like ah but I've I've met people who live life like it's a ride and they they do well and they're very happy and I've seen people who. Live life like a game and it's a real challenge the whole time and it doesn't look as far and vice versa. So There's quadrants you know. 15:19.30 mikebledsoe Yeah, well I think the ride I think the ride is a good way to go if you have momentum in a certain direction. There's like because well well what? what? ah. 15:32.12 Max Shank Everybody's got momentum in a certain direction dude like you the word momentum starts with the word mom. As soon as you get launched out of a vagina there is momentum to you. 15:42.85 mikebledsoe Yeah, well if you're if you're in a poor trajectory and you're on a ride then it's not a good thing. But if you have if you're going in a great direction with Momentum then the ride is probably really good for you. So. 15:45.53 Max Shank Your life has momentum as soon as you cross the gate. Yeah. 15:58.64 Max Shank I Like that we're going to bring it back to physics here. Yeah, we're going to coast a little bit kick push kick push Coast right? I think with when it comes to work which is ah a big part of. 16:05.45 mikebledsoe Exactly exactly. 16:17.36 Max Shank Ah, even having any accounting or bookkeeping to do. It's um, it's nice to remember that the suffering that you feel the amount of effort you apply has ah very little to do. 16:35.71 mikebledsoe Yeah. 16:35.97 Max Shank With the result you know, ah Momentum and Aerodynamics are a really really nice example of that. So just just having ah a better, a better setup can be. Be a huge difference maker. It doesn't matter how much effort or suffering goes into it I think that's ah, another big identity thing I know for me that was ah that was a challenge I Thought that suffering was proportional to success or or good or goodness right? Um, and I think. 17:08.96 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 17:13.79 Max Shank A lot of people still do believe that is my guess so like. 17:14.60 mikebledsoe They do I talk to people who do all time I Want to go back to like the the collecting of evidence for what you believe about the world and what you believe about yourself. So this this identity you know who you believe you are and what you believe the world is and how you fit inside of it. 17:26.34 Max Shank Oh. 17:33.77 mikebledsoe You These are all just a series of narratives that are playing out most of these narratives were set up when you were a kid and you what you've been doing the whole time. He's been collecting evidence to support it you ah the that part of your. 17:42.86 Max Shank I. 17:53.20 mikebledsoe Brain doesn't go out there looking for things that don't support it. They're going out there look for things that do support it and so you can tell? Yeah, so when you yeah so when you have stacked a lot of time. 18:03.25 Max Shank Confirmation Bias I think is what that's called think like racism like racism you you get up ah in the morning your parents are racist. They're saying bad things about the neighbors. Maybe you live in a bad area where. 18:14.32 mikebledsoe Um, yeah. 18:20.45 Max Shank All your neighbors are bad white and black and yellow and different colors alike but you only look out like what you were saying with your ah reticular activating system is you look out for those things and not only is it that you see them. Because what you notice is so different than what you see and you just confirm those beliefs over and over again because your vision is crazy small and Selective. You know, kind of going back to the vision Piece. It's a very complex mechanism that. Creates a total illusion inside your brain. 19:02.83 mikebledsoe There was a I was listening to a podcast by Lex Friedman the other day I forget who shared it with me. Um, but he's he's ah interviewing this like evolutionary physicist I don't know like so some some dude that's they. Is way smarter than either None of us and he was talking about. 19:24.72 Max Shank Well I resent that clearly you don't know what the word smart means. 19:29.65 mikebledsoe Ah, this guy. Ah, basically through mathematics is able to demonstrate how our perception is. It's impossible for our perception to match reality. And in fact, it's so far from reality that. Which which isn't not news to you or me but to a lot of people. They they do think that they're noticing some things and then they're perceiving others when in fact, it's None perception that's happening and if we look out through lens of evolution then what we're what we have is. Ah. Ah, ah, the fittest right? It's it's the fittest is what evolves it's not It's not the truth. So the truth does not actually ah doesn't come into play when it comes to survival so whatever you whatever you need to perceive in order to survive. Is how your entire consciousness will develop. 20:33.22 Max Shank When you say truth What do you mean because I I would agree that what a person sees is dependent on their memory because what they're what they're doing is they're differentiating ah the way a picture is interpreted. 20:50.10 mikebledsoe And um. 20:52.71 Max Shank And the picture is just simply about the ah um, the reception of light and we only have a small visible spectrum. So you're talking about the truth being everything versus what is visible to the naked eye. Oh then. 21:08.25 mikebledsoe That's correct. 21:11.57 Max Shank Absolutely I mean there's ah there are some great pictures. You can look up on the electromagnetic spectrum That's like a really cool ah thing to check out. Everything is just buzzing around and some of it. We can see and some of it. We can't and some animals. 21:26.57 mikebledsoe Yeah, and but it's not. It's not necessary. Yeah. 21:30.52 Max Shank And see ultraviolet and Infrared. It's not Useful. It's really about what is a um I feel like I say it all the time.. It's like what is a predictable Pattern. What is a predictable pattern if you have a really hard turtle shell on your back. It's predictable that. Nothing is going to bite through it as long as you're inside the shell if you're inside a cave and the cave is sealed the the jaguar or the leopard or the line will not get you in the night those kind of things are um. 21:52.83 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 22:09.88 Max Shank Stuff that we've learned based on what we've seen but it's not the the whole picture right. 22:13.80 mikebledsoe No, no. But yeah, so we look for the fact is almost nobody has an accurate understanding of the world or of themselves. Well that. 22:26.49 Max Shank What do you mean? almost nobody who's this who's this guy that has it all figured out I want to meet this dude and. 22:32.64 mikebledsoe There's this one guy there's this one guy I think that he may have it figured out but he'll remain nameless. 22:40.97 Max Shank He's the one he's the 1 standing on the milk crate at the corner of a Columbus and None right? it it is probably someone like that I mean hey yeah, the concept. 22:44.00 mikebledsoe For sure for sure. He's the fuck crazy fucker lives under the bridge. Well, there's a have you read? the have you read this series by Jed Mckenna okay Jeed Mckenna wrote a ah. 22:57.58 Max Shank M. 23:00.16 mikebledsoe Series. The first book is called spiritual enlightenment The damnedest thing and um I used to be really hesitant to even mention it in public. But I've gotten a little bit looser because you know what if you want to destroy your entire ego. You know who am I to stop you So the. This guy. Ah, this guy wrote this book on Enlightenment. He basically outlines how spirituality is actually ah will keep you from being enlightened and really creates a distinction between the 2 And you know that the the deal is you can't explain what enlightenment is because it's something that would only you can only experience once it's you can only experience it and then once you've experienced it. There's no going back to the illusion and. 23:53.90 Max Shank Well, and once again, what are we trying to describe when we say the word enlightenment so just getting really right? It's ah it's a sign. It's a symbol that we're using to determine like this feeling that we we have this feeling in mind. 23:57.14 mikebledsoe Was It's indescribable. Well well being well being well being. Well different people. Well a lot of people see it as a feeling but the the way the guy describes it This book is that you only see you you know the absolute truth at all times you're. 24:11.78 Max Shank Right? and. 24:21.41 Max Shank Yeah. 24:23.10 mikebledsoe You stabilize that state of consciousness and um, basically life gets incredibly boring because there's no narratives I mean you can witness narratives but you're not actually participating um in them anymore at all. 24:37.11 Max Shank Um, yeah. 24:42.64 mikebledsoe There's nothing to believe about yourself. There's nothing to believe about the world outside of what you can directly validate for yourself through observation and even then the story that tying the the dots together to create a narrative just doesn't exist anymore. 24:59.11 Max Shank It would be so hard to function with other people if you actually did that it'd be. 25:03.36 mikebledsoe Well well in the book If you read the book series. You'd really, there's he he's basically documenting conversations and he fucking almost hates having to interact with people. You know it's It's not a you know he basically just sees everybody as little children. 25:15.30 Max Shank Um, right. 25:21.59 Max Shank Well that I agree with I mean people are like little children. Um. 25:23.32 mikebledsoe Well, he gets into that in the book as well. I think you would enjoy the series. Yeah, it's a it's a trilogy. It's it's I chuckled my way through it and it was. It was pretty good. Ah although I. 25:30.36 Max Shank The series. Okay. 25:40.35 Max Shank I Feel like. 25:42.47 mikebledsoe Read it in 2017 at it early Twenty seventeen it ah it did do a number on me totally totally. 25:46.65 Max Shank Ah, might hit a little different now too. Ah I liked what you said about spirituality getting in the way of enlightenment because when I think of the word enlightenment I Like you know me I like to keep things as simple as possible because I'm not as smart as all these science guys and. 25:55.97 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, yeah. 26:11.66 Max Shank When I think of enlightenment I think about just a reduction in in mass. So you're you're reducing So you're trying to literally make yourself lighter. Yeah, it's like I wrote this phrase down that I've always loved. It's like you can only sharpen. 26:20.42 mikebledsoe It's a destructive process. 26:31.20 Max Shank By removing material like otherwise it's a different thing but you sharpen something by taking stuff away and ah there are a lot of different analogies in some ancient wisdoms About. You know, don't be sharp like a sword you know, let yourself become dull and plain like a stone in a River and that kind of stuff and I really resonate with that and the more you have to keep up with these stories the the more you are burdened. And so it's like how do you find a way to fully connect which is like flow in that moment without getting attached and you realize every attachment you have is derived from that identity that you have all all the attachments. Are in relation to your identity. It's like a big net where you're the center spoke or maybe a wheel where you're in the center and it's all these relationships with everything else. 27:30.19 mikebledsoe Well, the way the way that Jed ah he describes it in the book. He's like you know, a lot of people like to think about what you're talking about these these these beliefs that are in our consciousness like I believe they're in this beautiful web. Or a net or something like that he goes the reality is it's a rat's nest. You have no idea what belongs where until you start pulling a thread and and even then you don't know what? Ah every what all it was connected to and um, yeah, so like that that really hit home for me when. 27:59.22 Max Shank Um, oh yeah. 28:08.74 mikebledsoe Because I up to that point I was thinking Oh there's this beautiful web and if I pull this part of the web then I'm not really sure what'll happen on this other side of the web but he's like now it's a Rat's nest. It's just as a is a disaster zone inside of people's minds. Oh. 28:17.48 Max Shank E. 28:23.29 Max Shank Um, often yeah. 28:27.88 mikebledsoe Which I find to be accurate because anytime I've worked with people through like a belief and then we watch it dissolve. There's just no way to predict how that's going to impact their life. It's like oh I didn't know it wass going to impact that area of your life in that way. Okay, that was a surprise. 28:43.17 Max Shank Some people are more attached. Some people are a little some people have a pretty easy time letting stuff go and some people have ah a really hard time or. 28:44.79 mikebledsoe Some people are more attached. 28:52.64 mikebledsoe I have um so I have a ah story to share I have a ah mentee I was talking to yesterday and he goes mike do you believe in curses I was like well um, you know. If you're talking about someone putting a curse on you if you believe someone put a curse on you then the only way the curse will work is if you believe that the curse is real if you believe that someone put a curse on you then it weren't like you you are cursed and and. 29:21.25 Max Shank Um, then it definitely worked. You're fucked. That's yeah. 29:29.50 mikebledsoe And you're the only one that can undo it right? and so and so that was That's how I started he goes. He's like well well I met this guy and he said that he said that Um, my family had a curse and I. 29:43.89 Max Shank Sounds like 1 of them spiritual ah barriers to enlightenment perhaps or maybe he was right I don't I don't know. 29:48.16 mikebledsoe Yeah, well well Ego I Go what? Well I say I I was like well we have to Define Curse of course that we we do that on the show at Lot. We Define things and I was like like look I don't I don't necessarily believe in curses in the way that ah. People who use that language probably believe in them because I don't need to believe in the curse I Um I I think that people use that language when they're actually confused about what that is. It's like this. It's mystical. And that's one of the things that ah jeed was getting in the book with spirituality is there's so so much mysticism and that is there's so much mystery, There's so much that we don't understand that you have to buy into and that happens a lot in spirituality people start throwing these words around and I don't know what they're talking about. 30:44.60 Max Shank On. 30:44.85 mikebledsoe And I'm pretty sure they have no idea what they're talking about because they just strung together a bunch of words that don't make any sense to to anybody in the room and if I were to ask them to break it down in plain language. It's not going to happen and so anytime anyone starts using a lot of flowery language. Both me my fiancee would just leave. 30:55.95 Max Shank Um, right. 31:04.62 mikebledsoe Like neither one of us like to put up with that that shit you know and so that there's a lot of people in the quote unquote conscious community that exists that like you know I think they're doing good stuff I like them and all that but we're probably not going to hang out I don't want to like those people are confused. And so ah, what. 31:25.45 Max Shank How could people not be confused I mean we act like it's just been this sequential build. But the reality is that cultures and nations and peoples and laws have just been patched together ah time and time again with. Almost never having a chance to really clean the slate. That's why when you have something like America it's like whoa. It's not totally blank slate but it's it's pretty close. They were like okay, let's let's think about this real quick like. 31:54.53 mikebledsoe It was. It was pretty. It was pretty blank. 32:04.41 Max Shank What are we going to do here and because and then of course now what we have is just the patchwork quilt of that initial weaving and we're just sticking stuff in here and we're like oh yeah, the school's not doing so good so they need more tests or we'll teach them the tests ahead of time and. 32:09.64 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, yeah. 32:23.67 Max Shank It's just all these fucking patches and ah so it's no wonder that it's just this absolute cluster fuck like you were saying where most of the stuff you just have to take on faith Ah, which of course is kind of kind of back to. Well. 32:35.95 mikebledsoe We you don't have to I I I try not my my goal is I tell people a lot of times they'll ask me what I believe I go and I said you know I don't believe in much of anything if I can't validate it for myself then I'm gonna tell you. 32:42.72 Max Shank Yeah I mean. 32:55.92 mikebledsoe I don't know. Ah there are things that are useful if I were to believe when I believe this way it's something I can't validate for myself. But I can validate the result of believing it which is ah something I want in my life or something I don't want in my life. So I I like to. 32:56.92 Max Shank O. 33:04.61 Max Shank And. 33:11.30 Max Shank E. 33:14.52 mikebledsoe Be able to admit that I have no idea what the truth is but I do know what's useful and ah there are some things that I can validate for myself and I just know that now going back to the curse and and a curse on the family the the way that I. I Talked about that with him is that every family has a curse and the yeah and they they have some blessings as well. But the but the curse. 33:40.63 Max Shank Whoa How about a blessing do they have blessings Also because if you can curse another person then it would stand to reason that you could also bless them The logic's not sound completely. But. 33:48.22 mikebledsoe Um, yeah, you could. 33:55.70 Max Shank If you believe that you can be cursed. You probably also believe someone could say a prayer for you or give you a blessing or cast a magical spell. 33:59.91 mikebledsoe But I think we've all seen this like I think what? But what he was talking about is that there's a trend in his family. There's a trend of this pattern of behavior and and it seems mysterious to to them and maybe to people around them who who. 34:08.84 Max Shank In. 34:19.57 mikebledsoe Are Not very good at paying attention. Um, they're not in that practice and so but if you pay attention close Enough. You have well there is a pattern of behavior that's leading to these cursed results right? These results to seem to be a curse. Well the curse is going to be a mystery until you. Until you go to? why are people why? what is the behavior that's leading to this and where did that behavior come from and. 34:45.17 Max Shank Back to curiosity if you can get to that state like then then that's like as close as you can get to a ah blank slate moving forward is to get curious about what is rather than confirming what you believe I think is the. 34:52.22 mikebledsoe Key So curiosity keep curiosity. 35:04.14 Max Shank The major key so you're curious about what is or perhaps what can be ah and that way you are not confirming the pre-existing beliefs right? Which definitely feels more stable I mean everything. All the all this talk about writing stuff down and recording things is to increase predictability and stability. So I feel comfortable lending you the None goats. 35:30.35 mikebledsoe Yeah, well this is what as you I said Curiosity is the cure for curses. So if you if we're going to show title somehow. So so so um, look so I'm talking to him and I go. 35:38.60 Max Shank Um, cool. That's that sounds nice. 35:50.26 mikebledsoe This is the curse is what your parents learn from from their parents and then what they taught you is is there's an ancestral pattern of behavior that's playing out and if you don't understand how that pattern works then it's going to be mysterious. And then someone's going to come along and and use the label curse because it's the word curse is kind of a mysterious thing in itself like Witches curse things and that you know it's kind of like it's magic. Yeah, so like I and then so I have to go back in that. Yeah. 36:15.78 Max Shank Um, yeah, like a Hex or something like that. Yeah, but you can use magic for good too. You know. 36:24.97 mikebledsoe It to something that's magical or mystical is just something you don't understand how it works yet. Yeah. 36:29.62 Max Shank Yes, exactly magic You don't get the trick and as soon as you know how it works. It's not magic anymore. It's just a trick hey do the trick. You know it's magic when you don't follow what's happening and most things really are magic I'm a very curious guy I don't like to not know stuff. 36:36.33 mikebledsoe Now. 36:47.11 mikebledsoe Yeah. 36:49.43 Max Shank Honestly, maybe it's maybe it's a character defect or an an effect I don't I don't know exactly what it is but ah, it's really difficult actually to know how stuff works just if you look around wherever you are right now and just try to figure out how all the stuff is working. Unless you are a like Captain Science or something like that. You're going to find it really taxing to figure out how everything works in the world around you and I think one of the things about objectivism which is where i'm. Trying to come at things from it's weird I'm like objectivist in terms of like if it works I'm going to use it and that's good enough for me and also a more metaphysical connection to an everlasting eternal and infinite source that is. Totally the opposite of objective. It's completely subjective. It's like a feeling that it's funny because it's either ah true or not true and so if I am making myself. Believe that it is true and it gives me a good feeling then I just kind of gave myself a little blessing basically and I think that's a lot of what religion is about It's like hey you know what it feels good that there is a wise fatherly figure who's not too hands on. 38:06.49 mikebledsoe Exactly. 38:21.42 Max Shank By the way, not an overbearing parent or father figure all powerful looking out for me. He loves me says so in the book. That's that's going to feel pretty nice I can totally understand what I would feel nice. Are you kidding. 38:33.16 mikebledsoe Yeah, well you know, ah this brings up. Yeah well well I see a huge like a really beneficial place for religion. Um, you know when I look at when I look at you know people that are you know mainstream people. 38:38.37 Max Shank About the boost in morale. 38:47.62 Max Shank Fanatics. Oh. 38:51.95 mikebledsoe Religion is a really great way to get them to behave like if somebody doesn't hasn't been through the questions and the logic and really sat with themselves and have an understanding of like ah of karma basically cause and effect how you know if I do this and I get this result. Most people have no idea that person is going to do really good going to church on Sunday and having the None commandments repeated to them and because the 10 commandments. It's kind of hard hard to argue with that shit like. 39:26.10 Max Shank It's a bit outlandish really I mean no killing or coveting the neighbor's wife give me a break. 39:30.48 mikebledsoe I think there was there was I think the one that don't covet your neighbor's wife is the only one that does not include an action that every the 9 commandments was don't do these things and then the last one was like. 39:47.64 Max Shank Don't even want this. 39:49.67 mikebledsoe Stamp out that desire like it was the it was the only one that was around desire. Everything else was about behavior so which is really really interesting that it that it that it was wrapped like that which I think is also really good advice. Ah you want to be miserable. 39:58.36 Max Shank Um, it's like yeah, ah. 40:07.81 Max Shank Just covet everything You don't have. 40:08.31 mikebledsoe Like it. Yeah I mean just means to have envy you know to be jealous like it's like oh you know that dude's wife is hotter than mine I I think about her all the time talk about suffering you want to make yourself suffer. 40:21.16 Max Shank How about the illusion. How about the illusion like that I mean you bring up a great point could talk about it all day. But I won't I mean look at what we do to fabricate a better illusion shiny sports cars glittery tits. We're doing the whole nine yards just to. We're so hyper audio visual. We're so hypervisual. It's insane and you know that. 40:46.44 mikebledsoe I think 75% of your perception at least seventy five eighty percent on the yeah well the eyes are just an extension of your nervous system. It's just like your nerves have come out and it makes more sense. It makes sense. 40:53.42 Max Shank Um, it's like. 41:00.69 Max Shank Yeah, yeah, no I follow I Follow what you're ah what you're going at um I think it's interesting. A lot of people consume media now with the sound off and it's just visual isn't that interesting. 41:03.82 mikebledsoe Now. 41:10.63 mikebledsoe I Do I I I have everything set up to where I have to like purposely turn the sound on and and I hope if you don't have a caption on your video I'm I'm skipping right over because I don't want to interrupt I don't want to interrupt my music. 41:19.50 Max Shank Um, yeah. 41:24.52 Max Shank Um, oh shit game over that. 41:29.22 mikebledsoe And got my music playing to my phone now I'm going to have some fucking Instagram real barin now get out of here. So I caption everything. Ah. 41:33.86 Max Shank Totally totally totally. But I think that just goes to show that we we are. We're very one-dimensional and very heavily focused on the vision and this whole this whole thing. It's like we're not quite. 41:42.53 mikebledsoe Yeah. 41:52.86 Max Shank Um, full slaves to our primal ah lust and hunger which that's pretty fun. That's one good option but we're also not fully bought in to this enlightened state either. You know? So we're not we're not really ah enjoying the primal ah savageness and we're also not really in the egoless enviousless wrathless smoothness of ah you know, connected communication and communion. With other things and ah creatures in your universe which is your unique perspective. So. It's a but it's a real bummer to be between those 2 is that's like the worst place you don't really get the benefit of either None you know you're. 42:35.65 mikebledsoe Yeah, ah. 42:46.30 mikebledsoe Ah, yeah. 42:49.76 Max Shank Lizard Brain afraid all the time you're not really getting the you know the the lust and the hunger they're full due and you're not on the the wizard mode either sounds awful just bought in the illusion. 42:58.50 mikebledsoe Terrible terrible. So ah, so so there there was this moment I had where I um I really got to have um, an appreciation for religion I was it was ah. 2018 I was in ah Paris France and I went to see Notre ah Notre Dame um and before it burned ah and I got to go I walked in. 43:22.62 Max Shank Any. 43:33.80 Max Shank Um I did too. It was awesome I might have been there in the same year I might have been there at like the same time is fucking weird. We were there on a date. 43:36.17 mikebledsoe So cool. So I walked in I'm looking at oh oh weird. So they add all this these ah these these monk These monks had like these hats. You know you saw like the hats with the Jewels and. 43:50.57 Max Shank Just kidding like. 43:55.44 mikebledsoe And everything and are and I'm in there and I'm looking at the the cathedral from inside and I go and then I went and looked at the outside I was like man there is a lot of symbolism here and I was like this is super psychedelic like yeah, what I'm looking at. 44:08.63 Max Shank Um, lot of fancy hats in religions too. 44:13.71 mikebledsoe What I'm looking at is it looks very mystical and reminds me I remember looking at this one piece and I was like that's a fucking dmt trip right? there I'm gonna tell you right now I've I've been there and I and then I started seeing it everywhere I was like this is. These cathedrals in Europe are so psychedelic and so I'm in Notre domina and I'm like I'm like okay I'm getting a download here. Let's go home. Went back to the apartment I booked a tour. 44:32.94 Max Shank Um. 44:45.59 mikebledsoe For the next day I was like I need I need like a proper tour this me wandering around and by myself not going to cut it and so what do I do I drop acid before the tour because I'm a genius and ah. We signed up for a group tour but we were me and my ex-wife were the only 2 that signed up so we had a private tour while on Assad and we we got to go the guy was like I normally don't tell people about this because if there's catholics ah in the group they get really triggered. 45:06.25 Max Shank Amazing. 45:20.80 mikebledsoe Because there was so much of the symbolism on the church was taken from ah ancient Egypt and and basically every religion up to that point is represented in in Notre Dame um which makes it even more interesting than some of the other cathedrals. Yeah, it's. 45:34.90 Max Shank See I didn't I didn't even know that that's awesome I checked it out but I did not get a tour I Certainly didn't get that. 45:40.33 mikebledsoe Ah, there there is references in the architecture to ah the chakras 7 chakras it's very it to me. It was like very blatant but ah to someone who's. 45:48.49 Max Shank So now. 45:54.34 Max Shank Ah, neat. That's awesome. That's neat. No no, no, that's neat. No, that's really cool. This is neat. 45:59.19 mikebledsoe Ah, he said 8 I was like but ah that is neat. So so i' go inside and I and I get to spend a couple I you know how long I spend because I'm on asset two or three hours with this tour guide and we're just jamming I'm like just pulling all the information out of him and I'm like I'm like well what do you think about this, he goes. 46:13.30 Max Shank A. 46:18.69 mikebledsoe Oh you're one of those I was like yeah man I don't care like like let's really go there So I got to go there with this guy and basically what I got the conclusion I came to is these monks are sitting in the church in a dark room and they're in there just chanting chanting for days. 46:19.83 Max Shank Are in. 46:37.72 mikebledsoe Chanting and chant they're getting into these psychedelic states they're doing it through chanting. Maybe they're drinking some wine and chanting and they're getting into this weird state and maybe there's some mushrooms in the wine who the fuck knows and they get these. They get all this information they get they get to have contact. 46:43.57 Max Shank Yep. 46:56.58 mikebledsoe With the divine this they have this mystical experience that they then get their experience truth in a way that you can't explain to somebody else. But once you have this experience. You go. You know we probably you know. 47:06.12 Max Shank Oh. 47:13.26 mikebledsoe Property rights is a thing and the cat back then the Catholic Church controlled property if you want to buy or sell you know your deed it was held with the Catholic Church and and Notre Damme was ah was it started being built I want to say in 808 or 900 somewhere there and wasn't finished until like well technically still not finished. But. I think it was ah like a none project so it was not a short project. 47:36.19 Max Shank Um, the 151516 sounds right to me fifteen sixteen hundred I can't recall maybe as late as 17 47:43.49 mikebledsoe Well I think they then I think they may have had like a finishing point but then they started up again and depending on who was who was who believed what at the time they would like tear down a statue and put a different statue up and all the shit. Yeah. 47:51.63 Max Shank Rebuilding and building. 47:59.10 Max Shank Funky right? I remember there were some cool statues and like gargoyles and devils on the outside and shut like that there. It was actually the outside was super hardcore I remember looking at that for a long time. There was a lot of angels and demons. 48:01.37 mikebledsoe Um, yeah, it's like like super hardcore. 48:14.38 mikebledsoe And Mary with Mary with a torch surrounded by gargoyles and yeah, it's fucking wild and so um, so I I got thinking about it and I got to appreciate I go all these peasants outside they're giving them gifts because they come out. 48:15.38 Max Shank Devils and freaky shit. Yeah, you know that would. 48:33.28 mikebledsoe After days of chanting go I got the message I had a meeting with god I had this divine mystical experience and you know what Don not don't try to fuck your buddys wife you know, ah and you shouldn't steal shit and you know what I mean like. 48:49.10 Max Shank Um. 48:52.30 mikebledsoe All these rules were created by the church. Um, but they're not they weren't new but like there was other rules like they had you know the church was running shit back then they were really running shit until around the fifteen hundreds and so um, ah. 48:55.35 Max Shank Um, well those aren't new ideas though at that point either. 49:03.78 Max Shank Yeah. 49:11.68 mikebledsoe I Really just got a big appreciation for religion at that point because I go well for me to expect for everybody to have had I've had a lot of mystical experiences. You know that the meeting with God has happened several times where. 49:23.44 Max Shank Um. 49:29.44 mikebledsoe I Go into this really deep state and things become very obvious and the behaviors that follow like oh yeah I should change this I shouldn't shouldn't behave like this anymore like this because I'm at a blindment with this other thing and so as like I'm just making myself miserable. 49:35.35 Max Shank What. 49:47.91 mikebledsoe So when I first had that experience I go everybody should have this experience and then after years of promoting people to have this experience I Realized a ah most people are not willing to have the experience. They're not. They're not even curious about it. It's not interesting to them and then B some people. 49:52.47 Max Shank Um I. 50:02.82 Max Shank And. 50:06.73 mikebledsoe Become curious about it and they probably shouldn't have touched it because they don't they couldn't they they can't handle. There's they don't have enough like some type of mental construct in order to handle the the weight of that experience because you're going from 0 to 60 50:24.37 Max Shank Um. 50:26.10 mikebledsoe And ah and a split second with some of these things. Um, and so. 50:29.42 Max Shank Yeah, it's way faster than chanting. It's like you can achieve kind of a similar experience with a lot of different things like you can get the runners high or you can just ah smoke a blunt or something like that you can chant for three days or you can just drop some acid. 50:41.10 mikebledsoe Totally yeah. 50:47.13 Max Shank And so we have all these shortcuts to get into that state and I think it's a connected and receptive state. It allows you to see past your own illusion I think it it temporarily depending on the dosage right. 51:03.32 mikebledsoe Yep. 51:04.40 Max Shank Temporarily takes away that tight grip on the um ego that you've built essentially as a suit of armor to survive the environment that you live in and we live in an environment where stories matter quite a lot I Mean. Like the the reality of how I am on a day-to-day. Basis is so different than from what you would find if you just searched for me on the internet. You would think that all I do is play Sports lift weights. 51:33.37 mikebledsoe Um, yeah. 51:40.74 Max Shank And dance in my backyard with my shirt off but I call it mobility instead of dancing and that would be That's like the whole thing. That's that's the illusion that's out there. So whatever. Whatever avatar you project out you you use it. Maybe not as armor maybe almost as like a scuba suit to enter the environment of society that we're in so it's natural that you would want to do that. You'd want to have armor plating you'd want to have these ah pretty colors on this avatar. So people really like it and maybe someone will even love you. If Your feathers are are pretty enough and so everything is just reinforcing these ideas but it's still coming from like a lizard brain type of desire and so it's no wonder that people are a little tangled up. Like in like a ah web of self and parents and teachers and fame and shame and blame and all these different things like that's why when you were like oh people are just children I'm like yeah they're like often abused children and abuse is like. It happens in so many different ways. It's like ah probably like 1 of the least popular things to talk about is rape but the only problem with rape is the lack of consent because nearly everybody is on board with sex and a lot of people from both genders like raping. Also. But that's like maybe even another. Ah, that's a different can of worms that I'm not not looking to unpack right now off the cuff because well look. It's um. 53:23.68 mikebledsoe Why'd you even mention it. 53:29.53 Max Shank People have their boundaries crossed in a lot of different ways and the the thing is it's that feeling of having your boundary crossed and so people feel um, abused or diminished or beaten down or taken from in a lot of different ways and so it's like. That idea that ah wherever you get wounded the bone grows back twice as strong like the calcification is like your personality from all these miniature traumas you've had and if someone's. Forcing you to do None thing or another they're still forcing you to do None thing or another and how you can harmonize that into the future is going to determine how you find the world and you know there are different levels of trauma. But if you're not willing to let it go. You are just going to go ah equal and opposite to that force basically right. 54:25.32 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, yeah. 54:31.37 Max Shank Ah, yeah, So I'm not Surprised. People are all all twisted up with identity and perception and I know personally I've found a lot of peace through trying to see things as they are. And it's not something that is like on off switch but it can happen really fast all at once. In fact, just for anyone listening. It's kind of an interesting thing in my experience. It's not a linear progress on this sort of. Thinking it All. It's like giant leaps forward and then a little plateau and then a giant leap forward and then a little Plateau I don't know what it's been like for you. But. 55:17.51 mikebledsoe Yeah, it? um well the giant leaps forward or never yeah, they can be difficult. But yeah, it seems like seems like there's this giant leap forward then I got to stabilize the jump right? There's not a. So like oh I jump forward and everything's Great. It's like oh now because in those giant leaps especially if you have a shift in your own identity then everybody in your life. You're about to ah destroy their expectations of you. The stability is gone. 55:37.27 Max Shank But. 55:49.48 Max Shank Well, the Stability's gone right? The stability. 55:54.85 mikebledsoe There's chaos it creates chaos and it creates chaos for your friends and your family because they can count on you to behave like this whether it's a good behavior or not and they're even looking to count on. They're counting on you to behave poorly and then all of a sudden you do something in order to be successful. 56:05.51 Max Shank Right. 56:13.73 mikebledsoe And they may even get mad at you about it. They like like I've I've had people in the past that were like mad that I was successful enough to where I didn't have to run my gym anymore they were like oh you're like leaving. 56:17.74 Max Shank They'll definitely get mad at you about it. A lot of the time. 56:26.48 Max Shank A. 56:30.18 mikebledsoe Things behind you, you're you're changing and you're a different person like and they're mad about it I go Well yeah, that was isn't that the point like what do you think I was doing all this work for to stay the same. 56:34.66 Max Shank Um, yeah, yeah, dude I remember that I remember the one that made me laugh The hardest um I fired this guy who worked for me because he was lying to me. 56:54.19 mikebledsoe Yeah. 56:54.45 Max Shank And if I can't trust someone. It's basically like see you later you know and 1 of the members at my gym texted me and said I can't believe you did this. You're really ruining my happiness. 57:05.62 mikebledsoe Ah, you're in charge of their happiness. All of a sudden. 57:11.00 Max Shank I just thought it was so funny. It was like anything different. This guy's like totally lost it and you know there are two sides to every story right? So there's no point in trying to have like an argument about its rightness or wrongness it. It just is what it is. It's like that Mark Twain quote how his. Taylor was the only reasonable person because he took his measurement new every time instead of measuring him against how he was in the past and dude absolutely like if you quit drinking I think that's ah one that a lot of people relate to you know. 57:34.38 mikebledsoe Um, yeah. 57:45.54 mikebledsoe Oh yeah. 57:48.86 Max Shank Ah, used to be a bit of a party animal or just ah, a different type of party animal and as soon as you stop as soon as you stop doing that They're like what do? what are you doing? You're you're like ditching us. Oh you're too good for us or something I guess like no man like just doing a different thing. 57:51.25 mikebledsoe Yeah I had the same thing quit drinking. Yeah. 58:03.26 mikebledsoe Well it kind of sucks when you stop drinking because I had this experience I remember it was yeah it's like well 20 I remember it was like 2013 and i. 58:12.44 Max Shank That's where our culture has fun for adults. That's like the place. 58:21.61 mikebledsoe I had to actually cut back on drinking a little bit up to that point not completely I started smoking a little bit of weed when I was my and 2011 so I started smoking weed because I didn't like how I was behaving when I was on alcohol I was. Blacking out I was doing and saying stupid shit. Um I was around like my gym members. You know I'd be out at a bar with gym members. The next thing you know like like what what did I say last night I don't even know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, the next day is like. 58:52.55 Max Shank Feeling of up. 58:57.14 mikebledsoe I Just I don't know what I did but I got this feeling. It wasn't good. You know, ah and so I cut back the drink and I I discovered that weed if I smoked a little weed before I went out I would drink way less and then weed would make me way less aggressive. 58:59.53 Max Shank Right. 59:14.18 mikebledsoe So I could still be out I could still be sociable. 59:14.87 Max Shank Um, oh you think Alcohol alcohol is like so crazy when you think about it that we're just like yeah whatever you can have it have as much as you want? whatever. 59:21.30 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, yeah, but but I was using the weed to like offset the you know it calm me down and and then I would just drink less and because I was already kind of feeling it if I drink too much while being high that ah that. Wasn't fun I would I would hit it. 59:40.75 Max Shank But it sounds like yeah I mean it sounds like you got to that point where you were ah using your intuition and getting curious about it instead of just writing the momentum of like oh it's Friday let's all get drunk because that's just what we do and I think a lot of folks. 59:52.70 mikebledsoe Yeah now. 01:00:00.12 Max Shank Maybe don't even like it that much. They just want to be liked so they'll do the thing that gets people to like them. You know, drinking can be a competition that you can win speaking of life as a game. 01:00:04.36 mikebledsoe Well, it's. 01:00:12.87 Max Shank As soon as I figured that out I was like hey I bet I could poison myself twice as fast as you motherfucker and that everyone's like yeah you did it. 01:00:19.94 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, if you ever win a drink game. It doesn't It's never as cool as you think it's gonna be and a lot of people need that liquid courage. You know like it's the only way they can. It's like ah well it's it's it's well they have to like D It's like. 01:00:34.52 Max Shank Be sexual. It's the only way they can like let their guard down. 01:00:39.39 mikebledsoe It detaches them from themselves enough to where they can just kind of let loose. But anyways I digress I um so in 2013 I started eating way more psychedelic mushrooms and then after my None big psychedelic mushroom experience. 01:00:44.50 Max Shank Um, yeah. 01:00:56.66 mikebledsoe I cut out alcohol a hundred percent I 01:01:00.40 Max Shank Dude, we should do a series of shows on a different substance every week guys. We're gonna start it. Nice and simple coffee week. One is coffee nice and simple week two. We bring out a little booze week 3 weed week 4 01:01:03.90 mikebledsoe Ah, it's not the None time I've heard this pitch. 01:01:12.40 mikebledsoe I want to do it now I want to do it's a lead magnet. It's a lead magnet. We'll do 10 shows on 10 different substances and there's ah the lead magnet is that you can um you have to figure out which substance we were on. It's a mystery. 01:01:17.14 Max Shank Okay, we're going to go in Spain. 01:01:31.10 mikebledsoe During the show and if you can match it up successfully you get a prize. Yeah, you have to like you know label it. There's gonna be 10 shows 10 substances definitely social security number. Um yeah I think that's a great idea. So. 01:01:32.90 Max Shank Um, and you only get None guess. You got to enter your social security number. 01:01:49.87 mikebledsoe Started eating mushrooms and I cut out alcohol completely and I was the guy you know I owned the gym I was I had a a house with a big backyard at a pool and you know I I bought the house because it was a great place to entertain guests. So I'm throwing these parties I got a keg in the backyard like we're doing everything. 01:01:52.25 Max Shank A. 01:02:08.74 mikebledsoe I'm not drinking and it's not 1 those things where I'm like I'm trying not to drink is just like I really just don't give a fuck about having a drink at all like someone can hand me a beer and it's like 0 desire. Yeah. 01:02:09.43 Max Shank Yeah. 01:02:20.10 Max Shank But well you got something better something that that suits you better. That's what it's about right? It's like let's get intuitive about the different medicines that we're applying. 01:02:28.91 mikebledsoe Yeah, and so I just remember this one afternoon I've got a bunch of people in my house were standing in a circle. Everyone's got a red solo cup in their hand I'm drinking water and I'm happy as a clam. And I probably smoked a little bit of weed. Um, but I kept on trying to have conversations that had way more depth than what I would have when I was on alcohol and I just remember people looking at me weird I Remember people getting uncomfortable and walking away and it was. 01:02:54.51 Max Shank Or you can. 01:03:06.10 mikebledsoe It was all of a sudden there was this barrier between me and the people who I had been getting drunk with for years and having a good time with and when I look back and I go oh I just wasn't meeting their expectation of who they believe Mike Bletzo to be. They didn't know what to do with me and in fact. 01:03:20.41 Max Shank Inhale. 01:03:23.72 mikebledsoe Probably didn't weren't that interested in talking to me because they were wanting to talk to a guy that was more like who I was behaving like and so. 01:03:31.56 Max Shank And I mean your cells are all changing except for like neurons basically throughout your whole life. They're they're dividing and dying and dividing and dying. They're going through this process of death and rebirth and so. 01:03:38.33 mikebledsoe Yeah. 01:03:50.75 Max Shank If most of your cells are different seven years later wouldn't like you also be quite different seven years later and the fact of the matter is your brain and the pathways in your brain can change way way faster. 01:03:57.28 mikebledsoe Absolutely. 01:04:10.50 mikebledsoe Well yeah, the first was it in and exercise sci
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00:00.00 Max Shank All right? Welcome back to Monday morning with max and Mike we're talking about launch pads. We're talking about ramps. We're talking about Trebuches. We're talking about flinging things a mighty distance this applies to both physics and also business That's what I'm excited about. I don't want to go out there and go fishing. You know one pole at a time I want to be able to deliver a tremendous payload at a great distance. You know what I mean and have it create a very massive effect. But in order to do that. You got to spend a lot more time with the building of it. It's like fishing pole pretty easy to build water wheel significantly harder to build but greater impact lot more work ahead of time and then you take it all the way to something like a rocket which can or a power plant. Can deliver a tremendous amount of power but it requires a huge amount of upfront work and because I've done a lot of biz coaching with people I feel like that that is the number None thing that. Separates people who create an exponential growth in their business is the ones who are willing to do the setup time to make something that is a more sophisticated leverage and force multiplier. You know what? I'm saying. 01:27.51 mikebledsoe Yeah I Think the None thing you got to consider in that case is does what you want to build actually solve a problem and um I think a lot of people you know think I think a lot of people start businesses based on something they Like. Or something you know around what it is that they want to do which works sometimes because they figured out. They've solved some problem for themselves and they they can help other people through a product or service. Um, but I'm a big fan of of seeing if it's the right Poll. Before I go launch a hundred of them like I don't want to put the wrong bait on my hook I could be I could be catching the wrong fish or I could be catching no fish at All. So I would use one pole make. 02:16.13 Max Shank I like I like the fishing analogy. The fishing analogy is good because people are about as smart as fish. 02:24.18 mikebledsoe Ah, it's true. Ah so no, but like it's good to put figure out if if it you know test with one poll or maybe test with 20 polls all with different bait. What um, keeps popping off is now we're pulling the hooks out and we're replacing all them with that one Bait I think that. That's like the I've been thinking about the business as ah, especially like a coaching business as a triangle at the bottom you have you have your offer and then one of the sides is marketing and the other sides is the fulfillment. The coaching aspect. Find that most people and the way this would work is like what are you selling? How do you market it and then how do you fulfill on it whether it's a coaching business or not and. 03:12.98 Max Shank Ah, right? How do you? How do you educate them about it and how do you get it to them. So like the bottom is what is it and then one side is how do you tell the right people about how do they know about it and then how do you get it to them I like it. 03:19.16 mikebledsoe Right. 03:25.32 mikebledsoe Exactly exactly so but I find them I know you do triangles are the best sturdy pointed can penetrate well and super hard to tip over. 03:31.46 Max Shank Also I like triangles. 03:36.87 Max Shank So I mean they're not hexagons. But they're really cool. 03:44.95 mikebledsoe Ah, so well depends on what kind of time go with oh let's hear it. 03:46.11 Max Shank You know my favorite ah Buckminster Fuller joke he's ah he goes ah is well. It's more of a statement I guess he goes. Ah why do architects build square houses. So engineers can put triangles in them. 04:08.49 mikebledsoe I I like it I like it. Yeah yeah, tons of triangles. Yeah, None of triangles. Yeah yeah, without that your shit's going to get fucked up. So um. 04:10.73 Max Shank And if you you've done a bunch of house framing and stuff like that too before right? So you have these rectangle boxes that are just full of triangles. You better have those fuckers in there. 04:28.22 mikebledsoe Well, it just won't even look right. 04:31.44 Max Shank No oh it's going to go over without some triangles in there. Yeah. 04:32.86 mikebledsoe Just kind of push it over Ah yeah, so I like thinking about this because I more often than not when I bump into an entrepreneur either a new entrepreneur or an entrepreneur suffering None times out of None It's the the bottom. Part of the pyramid. It's the offer. It's the it's the what they're selling. Um, yeah, yeah sand at the beach. Yeah, and so so somebody you know it's like somebody has these air things people think that it's a marketing problem. 04:55.12 Max Shank Sand at the beach like why would you want to do that to yourself. Ah yeah. 05:10.66 mikebledsoe And I'm like it's not a marketing like does anyone want what you're selling in the None place when it's not a marketing problem like your offers should be the thing you're offering should be an obvious solution if it's not obvious solution then there's more work to be done there. Um, some people in business would say that the development of the offer is a function of the marketing department. Which I don't necessarily disagree disagree with but so is the fulfillment. They kind of all bleed into each other. Yeah, So so if you so if you nail down a solid offer and then you just. 05:33.74 Max Shank I Think marketing marketing is part of the offer for sure. Yeah. 05:49.30 mikebledsoe Funnel as many people towards that that one offer not now you got a winning formula. 05:53.48 Max Shank Well, and even even better. Is you you set up your shop within a current flow of consciousness directed at that specific thing and I mean Youtube has been a game changer in this because. There's just such a bigger library of things that are searchable if you have questions that need solving and if you if you meet people where they're at and you match their pace. They don't notice that you're a fisherman. Basically you just kind of enter the conversation that they're already having. 06:16.72 mikebledsoe Yeah. 06:31.96 Max Shank And the the finesse of that offer is really.. It's the same as seduction for the most part. That's why so many of these great copywriters were like pickup artist stuff before then because it's all about getting someone from I don't know. To yes, right? And so however, you craft that that story that is entering that person's mind is going to guide their next decisions. 07:02.20 mikebledsoe Yeah, what are we talking about toy forgot about our topic since you made it you may you you made it up. Ah oh yeah, oh. 07:09.95 Max Shank Triangles we were talking about lot. No no, we were talking talking about launch pads launch pads rocket ships trebute none fishing from fishing poles to ah nuclear power plants. Ah we're we're just trying to eat and fuck right. That's really what it comes down to we want to make sure that we're safe. We want to get enough calories. We want to continue our genes we we insist that the genes get carried forward every animal and plant is like None sure about that part of the equation like definitely more of us and we just that's life baby more of us. Ah so it's all about energy. It's all about conserving calories. It's always it's also about um, expanding the mass. 07:49.71 mikebledsoe That's life. Yeah I. 08:05.26 Max Shank Of the tribe which is also like a stored energy kind of calorie thing. It's like ah it's like the size of the tribe is your energy bank and actually in dune they talk about how the tribe shares the water ah like everybody shares all the water and then if 1 guy dies they suck the water out and like it's all about. 08:07.27 mikebledsoe Yeah, um. Yeah, about if. 08:23.63 mikebledsoe Well, it's ah yeah I mean unless you have a tribe where half of the tribe ah is useless Now that's a drain on the energy. 08:24.97 Max Shank Just ah pooling those re pooling those resources. 08:36.65 Max Shank True but that has happened for a long time I mean we we ah well and it's and it's ah it's uncertain of what the utility is in some of those cases like ah, there's that grandmother idea where there's the wisdom that. 08:40.64 mikebledsoe I Know that's why I bring it up. 08:56.24 Max Shank Passed on like why would I'm not saying this to be crude, but like why would a lady stay alive and go through Menopause like why would they stop being able to bear children and maybe it's ah like physical. Ah. Power but I think ah that is only exhibited and I think like Orcas and elephants. There aren't that many creatures that go through Menopa and maybe chimps. Also I can't quite remember exactly but it's this idea that there's a ah huge value to. 09:25.88 mikebledsoe Um. 09:33.55 Max Shank Them teaching the next generation how to do stuff and with orca they have different hunting techniques based on where they live they have different languages between these different pods. So there's a utility that's not strictly. Ah, hunting gathering or procreating. But I know what you're talking about too. It's like the bigger the percentage of freeloaders are the heavier. The wagon gets and it's still and a simple energy equation right? If you have one ah hundred kilograms in the wagon and you have None guy pulling. It's. Totally fine. But if you suddenly have ten Thousand Kilograms unless it's very ah, good piece of machinery that None guy won't be able to move it. 10:15.94 mikebledsoe Yeah, it feels like that's where we're at now. So a bunch of people are just jumping in the wagon and not pulling it. But I'm not yeah and um, while'm not blaming them I get it I get it. Well here's the thing. Ah if you lack if you lack. 10:25.46 Max Shank Um, hard to blame hard to blame. Yeah yeah, who would very few wouldn't do that. 10:35.90 mikebledsoe If you lack the skills to demand a certain amount of money I mean this is what happens we're in inflation right now and but like. 10:42.82 Max Shank Oh God here we go again. It's all it's all just about show me a better offer. That's what it's about because if so to be a freeloader to be a freeloader. It's got to be a better offer than the other thing that you are thinking about doing. 10:48.50 mikebledsoe It. It's It's exactly right. 10:55.85 mikebledsoe Exactly always goes back to incentives with you as well. But the thing is what we have is ah the cost of living is outpacing salaries. So it's not like people's salaries are inflating at the same rate that that's historically. 11:00.75 Max Shank Totally. 11:14.28 mikebledsoe Been untrue. So like what is true is that the salary state. You know you'll get a 1% raise and you get your dopamine hit and you stick with it but inflation is 10% and so your lifestyle keeps decreasing the people at the top get more money and then so I think a lot of people are just like. 11:15.00 Max Shank Right? ah. 11:29.48 Max Shank Right? Well if. 11:34.22 mikebledsoe Why I can't pay my bills at Fifteen Twenty dollars an hour I can't pay my bills so why work you know it's so I get it. 11:38.50 Max Shank Right? right? Don't totally I there's like ah a Bob Newhart joke from like a really long time ago where he talks about working at the ah unemployment office and. He it didn't take him too long before he realized that he was handing out these $60 checks and he was only getting fifty bucks a week and he had to he had to be there all week I mean this has been going on for a long time and the thing that has increased people's quality of life has been technology and maybe quality of life is actually a stretch because I think that you can perhaps live a much higher quality of life with some lower tech. 12:26.57 mikebledsoe Well ah, technology technology allows us to leverage its leverage to increase power. So if you put the if you put power in somebody's hand who's going to make choices that don't take them towards a higher quality of life. They're actually going to go to a lower quality life. 12:29.52 Max Shank Even though you know there are people you know what I mean exactly more leverage. 12:45.88 mikebledsoe Much faster and because there's dopamine that's associated with the tool the technology the dopamine will create the illusion that their lifestyle is improving because now they got a fancier phone or whatever the fuck or more people like their their photo today. 13:01.21 Max Shank Um, well they're using that tool but they're just using it at a very like low level way. 13:05.46 mikebledsoe Ah, and so so like they think they think that having the tool They think that having the tool is the increase in quality of life when it's the thing that can increase the quality of life exactly. 13:20.52 Max Shank It's not the tool. It's what you do with it. That's what like all like every every girl I've ever met has always said that to me, it's not about the tool itself. It's what you do with it. But. 13:26.56 mikebledsoe Um, and making you feel better. How the yeah so that's it's not the size of your tool max. 13:33.14 Max Shank Ah, yeah I don't know I don't know why I Assume it's ah like this with everybody. That's what I've been told I've been told that so much so much I Wonder if it is though if they're just saying that like. I Just meet all of the most considerate ladies ever. Is there a common denominator here that I haven't considered who so so we're talking we're we're we're talking. 13:54.66 mikebledsoe Ah, oh he's going into reflection folks. Ah, we'll see him back in a week absolutely 14:05.93 Max Shank We're talking money though. Also right and the size of your wallet is way more important than the size of your genitals fellows for the record fat guys with tiny cocks fat old guys with tiny cocks are out there right now with the most beautiful women in the world If that's your if that's your thing. 14:11.11 mikebledsoe When it when it comes to getting getting and having ladies. 14:23.98 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 14:25.19 Max Shank You know Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But the truth is how you do professionally and how you ah carry yourself is going to be way more important and that kind of leads us back to the launch pads. It's this. It's the same kind of thing. Can you defer the gratification. 14:33.11 mikebledsoe Yeah, you know I um. 14:43.72 Max Shank To build what is necessary so that it has its its own momentum without you pushing it all the time and I think that's what what everybody wants or at least everybody I think maybe should want is something that. 15:00.25 mikebledsoe Yeah, there's um, man see if I can find it real quick. Nope Um I was thinking about the ah the myth of it takes money to make money. There's like that that famous phrase. 15:00.60 Max Shank Can sustain itself. 15:16.61 mikebledsoe It's a meme that floats around in in our culture and it's It's not true. It's ah you need resources to make money and money is also a byproduct of using those resources well and ah you are your primary resources. 15:16.79 Max Shank Um, yeah. 15:36.53 mikebledsoe Um, are basically your ability to observe critically think and problem solve and most people I bring that up because I don't want people to get stuck in the way of thinking that oh I need to have money before I can make money because I think a lot of people. Or or in that mentality by that's exactly right? It's exactly right? So I think that there are certain common phrases out there that are almost intended to keep people from being successful and that's one of them. 15:56.89 Max Shank I Need to lose some weight before I join the gym. 16:09.15 Max Shank Oh almost or certainly I mean there's mind control everywhere um depends how deep you want to go down that rabbit hole. But even just ah like let's say regular Tv especially as a dude. 16:12.46 mikebledsoe Most certainly? yeah yeah. 16:27.99 Max Shank It's like how many Tv shows have you seen in your life where the father was a powerful figure with a good set of values and a good. It's ah it's never that it's like some whiny bitch. It's like some whiny bitch like. 16:39.83 mikebledsoe Not since the early sixty s. 16:47.15 Max Shank Who's always like oh can we have sex wife and the wife never wants to and the guy always does and in reality and in reality in reality. It's like as soon as you get to that age. It's the exact fucking opposite. Are you kidding me like None 50 year old ah in a couple. 16:50.10 mikebledsoe That is interesting I never thought about that. 17:06.69 Max Shank It's not going to be the guy who's like scrounging for it all the time he's done. It's just it's just a funny ah example where it's not just the commercials. It's just it's not like those rap videos and all that stuff That's ah mind controlling us. It's even um. 17:09.82 mikebledsoe Yeah. 17:26.61 Max Shank Like a Tv show where that's your model that you see and believe and now you think oh that's normal. Not this other thing and whatever you think is normal. That's what you're going to like reinforce. 17:32.32 mikebledsoe Yeah I've thought I've thought about this is I remember the first movie I went and saw in a theater I was five years old I don't remember seeing it but my mom told me that the first movie I saw was bambi and. 17:49.51 Max Shank Ah. 17:51.43 mikebledsoe And like I remember growing up and hunting and then people were like oh but you're going to kill bambi you know and I and I was always like well yeah I mean and I think that ah Disney movies are probably primarily responsible for veganism. At this point. 17:58.67 Max Shank If yeah. 18:09.57 Max Shank What whoa somebody saved that clip Jesus What a claim is off the wall I Love it go on. 18:09.76 mikebledsoe Is and. 18:13.35 mikebledsoe Well but it's well I mean so if we're talking about mind control and programming how many Disney films have talking animals that have the consciousness of human beings right? And so now what you have is a bunch of adults that think that the animals. Are equal to humans and there's nothing different about the 2 of us and they're people too and these are the types of things that you would most people would never be able to come to that conclusion unless they were None None 3 4 5 none watching animals talk and. This and that I'm not saying that animals don't think and don't have feelings and all that stuff but they're not us. 18:57.89 Max Shank I think the main difference is the talking thing I was thinking about this the other day like for example, it's okay, in some cultures to to eat ah a dog right? and and here it's totally okay to eat a pig. And right now that's fine. But if you were to have sex with a pig people would I think that's illegal I think it's ah or at least frowned upon if it's not illegal if it's not illegal. It's at least frowned upon in today's day and age it's because there are a lot of bigoted people out there who are discriminating against the yeah. 19:22.57 mikebledsoe I Think it's too legal. 19:36.84 Max Shank Beastie Alllet Tours I don't know whatever now picture this tomorrow tomorrow. You know what really grinds my gears is that Ah now imagine tomorrow Switch flipped pigs can speak english. 19:38.39 mikebledsoe Got a bone to pick max. Um. 19:52.54 mikebledsoe Ah. 19:56.22 Max Shank My guess is that the rules would exactly flip I think if pigs could speak English It would be perfectly legit to have sex with them and not okay to eat them anymore I think it's all about whether they can communicate. 20:08.35 mikebledsoe Well that that falls right in line with the Disney thing if you're witness lobsters having conversations with squirrels then you know like I can see what could happen for you anyways. 20:23.13 Max Shank Which one was the lobsters and the squirrels. 20:27.16 mikebledsoe Yeah I was mixing up my movies. So the back to the triangles and fishing poles the the max and I were talking about right before the show is we we would like to put together something. People are listening to this show. They like it I've gotten a few dms of people offering to send us money which we still haven't set up the donation page yet, but it'll get up eventually and um, watch should be None of those things where. 21:00.56 Max Shank Please please I'm hungry Please I'm hungry I'll eat I'll eat food. 21:02.10 mikebledsoe Thousands of dollars start rolling in and I'm like ah I should have set this up max is he's he's losing weight a pound a week right now he's gonna be nothing here by by Christmas and. 21:18.89 Max Shank I'm going on a food strike until those donations start rolling in. There's no way I'm doing that. Ah, okay, so we got the triangle We got the offer. 21:22.57 mikebledsoe No, ah so ah so I'm curious I'm curious about what it is that people people want I'm always curious about what is it that people want. Yeah oh well, a I look both. 21:36.60 Max Shank Our listeners or or all people. Okay I'll tell you what they want it goes back to um my my 3 levels theory here lizard mammal wizard people. 21:41.99 mikebledsoe Both So okay, let's go. 21:56.32 Max Shank In Lizard mode. They just want to be safe. They just want food. That's it. They're stuck and if you don't get out of that lizard Brain Mode. You're fucking lizard and you might thrash Around. You might have some sharp fangs and claws. But you're not going to fuck around with love or self-actualization which are the. Higher orders of thinking right? you go to the None tier which is the Mammalian brain the mammal wants to be loved So the lizard wants to be safe. The mammal wants to be loved and of course people will try to substitute ah food for love if they can't find it. At that level. So Let's just go back a step and so if people can get love I'm just always shoveling ice cream trying to fill the void in my heart with frozen cream out of a cow. Ah I Love it. Okay, so. 22:36.72 mikebledsoe This explains your ice cream habit. 22:54.55 Max Shank You get love as a mammal.. That's what you want and if you can go even beyond that your Self-actualization. You're following your Bliss. You're finding the intersection between doing what you feel totally blissed out doing you're in a flow state and it's good for the tribe. And you're safe. All that stuff is happening. You feel like you are expressing your most authentic or unfiltered self that feels good and of course in order to get to that point you usually need to be safe so secure The lizard Love the mammal. Free The Wizard. That's what people want and the form it takes can be different. Um you know sex and food and whatnot. 23:39.39 mikebledsoe Yeah, that's what they that's what people want they want they want safety love and after that it's yeah, um, be their best self. 23:48.30 Max Shank Self self actualization legacy. Maybe yeah. 23:53.72 mikebledsoe Find a lot of people hit self-actualization and want to help other people get the self- actualualization but don't There's not enough people. It's like we've had ah we've hit a tipping point or like ah we've slid back in society a bit good correct. Yeah enough people. There's not enough people that are. 24:03.22 Max Shank What do you mean? there aren't enough people who are trying to self-actualize or. 24:13.44 mikebledsoe At that point I think with the last couple years. Ah people slid back into survival and so a lot of a lot of the ah lot of people stopped spending money on things that were more in alignment with self-actualization and started. 24:15.61 Max Shank Ah, yeah, oh yeah, yeah. 24:31.61 mikebledsoe Buying more toilet paper now now we're in a depression. 24:32.70 Max Shank Word totally and it's interesting. How the word so closely mirrors the way that people feel when they're um, less Expressive. I Really hone in on that juxtaposition or that comparison between um, shoot I Just lost my train of thought depression expression. Yeah, exactly so being able to fully express yourself like I have a little note Card. It's just a. 24:53.33 mikebledsoe A. 24:58.85 mikebledsoe Depression expression. 25:09.97 Max Shank A small list. It's in ah, a copy of the doubtaging. It's like pocketsized and I realized a while ago for business for fitness the the list of of stuff should be pretty short overall like the general list that you follow through on and for me, it's like. Have sing I have dance I have climb I have swing like a sword or a rope or something like that. So I Just have these like little bullet points. Basically for what I want to do on a daily basis and the more I sing and dance the more expressive I feel and the less. Feel like filtered or damped down and the word expression itself is all about standing out. So It's like to stand and to be like expressed and it's um, it's important to harmonize that I think with. 25:50.59 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 26:07.40 Max Shank A feeling of oneness So like the exact opposite of expressing this expressing this unique ah sensation of an individual self and sync back in to the all-encompassing soup. 26:20.92 mikebledsoe Yeah, it can be done takes practice hold both. Um. 26:27.51 Max Shank Oh yeah, you were talking about how we're in a depression now and I don't know if it's that far yet. It's not ah I'm like. 26:35.24 mikebledsoe Yeah, well, there's there's more jobs available than there are people willing to work the jobs and. 26:42.56 Max Shank Now that that sounds like Greece a few years ago where it was like 50 I don't know if there's exact statistics but it was like just an overwhelming amount of people who were working in the government and an overwhelming amount of people who were just getting paid by the government and there was like nobody left who wanted to work. 26:57.69 mikebledsoe Yeah, well there I think it's just this. Ah this is one of those and this is just one of those times where you're. 27:02.23 Max Shank And I get it. 27:09.65 mikebledsoe In in business you have to be really good at having that solid offer you actually need to be solving a problem because I think yeah luxury items luxury services be the first to go. 27:18.50 Max Shank The less necessary. It is the sooner. It goes gone depending on the demographic. Yeah, and then it almost never changes for them. 27:28.50 mikebledsoe Um, unless unless you're serving the 1% and never changes well people. 27:36.40 Max Shank It's more individual changes. It's like ah individuals slide in and out of the 1% but as a group the 1% is always there. They're always super wealthy and it always has been since alpha males. 27:44.64 mikebledsoe Um, yeah, in fact, even during it during it during a downturn. They become even more wealthy and that's. 27:52.55 Max Shank Yeah, because they have the dry powder to be able to build rocket ships while you're just fishing furiously in the stream with your one pole because you're like fuck I I need to catch None fish today to feed my family I ain't got time to be building a fucking water wheel or a rocket ship or any of that. So you're just furiously swinging your pole in the water and what about him. 28:12.36 mikebledsoe This makes me think about ah Jeff Bezos talk about a guy talk about a guy who like set the plan in place. He may not have known he was gonna do what he's doing now but he was a online bookstore. 28:23.60 Max Shank Did. Amazing! amazing. 28:29.75 mikebledsoe That just slowly added more and more categories of shit to sell and now oh no, they they probably dwarf any other retail. There's no retailer that stands a chance against them. So. 28:36.26 Max Shank Here. 28:45.27 Max Shank Um, they're so there's they have such incredible economies of scale because they can provide such a crazy value now right? They have that bulk. 28:52.97 mikebledsoe Well I think I point that out because I think people think about scale before they think about solving the 1 problem he solved the 1 problem which is you can't find a book at your local bookstore right? once he once he crushed that then he had the ability to to scale. Both. 29:00.25 Max Shank I see. Right. 29:12.87 mikebledsoe Vertically and horizontally. 29:14.64 Max Shank Yeah I mean I remember him saying once people never want something to arrive slower. They never want it to be more expensive and he's like we just basically focus on that and it's not quite like Youtube. Um, but he's connected the buyers and the sellers in a marketplace he is the marketplace and he's got such a huge market share and the delivery. So actually one of the sides of the triangle you were talking about which is the delivery. 29:37.87 mikebledsoe Yeah, um. 29:53.11 Max Shank Of that offer or that good or service to the person is I mean what's better. What's better. You can get it same day. You can get it 2 day for free and usually it's a pretty seamless process to return that shit like you go into a coles you fuck. They. 29:56.77 mikebledsoe Yeah, the feature. 30:11.78 Max Shank You print out a label 1 ne-click ordering I mean there's a lot of utility there and it's all software based for the most part that's what's so great because we know that's outrageous leverage and of course Youtube has created um, created a marketplace. Right? A media marketplace where the creators like you and I and the advertisers also like you and I but usually different things can ah basically work together to use that flow of consciousness. So. It's really, a. 30:43.30 mikebledsoe Yeah Youtube Google Facebook Instagram yeah. 30:48.56 Max Shank Oh my god Youtube is such a home run. That's like the most insane I'm so hot on Youtube as a user and as a creator because like the videos I've put up five plus years ago are still getting lots of views and those views a small. 31:01.50 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 31:07.84 Max Shank Percentage converts into people who buy something from me and they're just there they're they're there like I don't even have to pay to have those things there like speaking of you don't need ah money to make money. Of course it's better to have more. It's easier to make money when you have a lot. 31:14.20 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, um. 31:25.63 Max Shank Like that's always been the case you know so. 31:26.60 mikebledsoe Yeah I want to go back to that the Amazon you're talking about people don't want things never want anything slower um in ah Alex hormose's hundred million dollar offers book which is one of the best books on offers I've ever read. Um, if if you're a coach. It's probably the. Like it. It very fits our industry but he talks about getting the 2 things that make something more valuable is speed and effort so less effort faster. An example that he uses in the book is. Why will so why would somebody spend $20000 on liposuction but have a hard time spending a couple thousand dollars on a trainer even though like it's obvious to everyone listening why you wouldn't want to get liposuction. But why can they charge that amount of money and there's. 32:20.79 Max Shank The speed and the ease. 32:22.67 mikebledsoe No, yeah, there's no um, shortage of people getting their fat rearranged by a surgeon. So. 32:31.97 Max Shank Well, it's like a different value system for that individual right? So they think their time is valuable. They don't think that um the cost of having their body sliced open is too high right. 32:47.11 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 32:50.25 Max Shank And they think and they believe the cost of exercising for a long time is is too high So simple cost right? It's simple cost benefit and when we talk about cost um calories in time are almost synonymous right? because without calories you're dead. 32:54.63 mikebledsoe It's too expensive. 33:07.83 Max Shank But you could also think of time as the resource and actually it's a little more practical to think of it that way like how many hours per day you can invest you have a fixed amount Yada Yada and then you have dollars and as far as. Investing is concerned mean your your stuff and your time is basically all you got right. 33:31.11 mikebledsoe Yeah, so two things I've been thinking about in regard to offers recently I've been asking myself None questions. The none question entered my mind. Um as I was talking to a buddy who's in the cosmetics industry and he found. He found a product that if he walked into a room 80% of the women wanted his product and that got me thinking I go wow what is a product that if I walked in a room more than half the room would want it. So. 34:07.38 Max Shank Just start hanging out with me. But um. 34:10.20 mikebledsoe That's right, that's right? Ah, but there's there are certain products. Um you know, 80% of the people are using toilet paper 80% of the people drink water you know at least um at least 80% but yeah so like ah. 34:18.16 Max Shank Wait only 80% do the ah I mean I guess some people use the wet wipes but like in America at least a lot of people wipe their ass with their hands. 34:29.50 mikebledsoe Learnings We got bad days and wet wet wipes. Yeah in hand. Yeah yeah. 34:35.80 Max Shank Also that yeah and hand for talking global. It's better to just focus on North America or America for the sake of these conversations right? That's where our audience is. 34:47.50 mikebledsoe Most of them I think we had someone listening from Chad someone from Chad was listening yesterday I'll show you the stats. Yeah so Chad um the ah so I was thinking about like what is what is it that. 34:51.27 Max Shank I apologize to all of our audience in Sudan fucking from from Chad no way that's funny. Ah. 35:06.49 mikebledsoe That almost everybody wants to have and then and then a couple months ago I started asking myself the question of like how would I add a zero to every time I sell something how would I how do I make it 10 times more valuable. So. 35:22.97 Max Shank Oh. 35:24.76 mikebledsoe Some people may hear that and go how do I make it 10 times more expensive. No 10 times more valuable at least so valuable that someone had to have it so those are like 2 thought experiments I've had around offers I think that you know. 35:38.73 Max Shank You have. 35:42.60 mikebledsoe 1 is what's the total addressable market. So how many people out there want or need yours and also looking at how many people are offering the same exact thing that also impacts the total addressable market. So if you can offer something that's truly unique. Your marketing doesn't even have to be that good that truly solves a problem. 35:51.67 Max Shank 9 36:01.49 mikebledsoe And ah, a lot of people want it. It doesn't have to be that great and then um I think it's also much easier to create good marketing when you have that really special unique offer. Um and then also the thought experiment. I really like to do is the the 10 x how do I make this None times more valuable. What would what would that product or service look like for those people or what are those people spending that much money on. So if I go okay, what do people spend none on the majority of the market that spends that kind of money. 36:31.00 Max Shank Oh. 36:39.37 mikebledsoe Usually a home wine. Yeah so ah anyways, and then and then the other experiment too is what would your? what would your offer look like if it was a None of the price. 36:40.35 Max Shank Wine. 36:47.13 Max Shank Individual bottles. 36:55.47 Max Shank Yeah I like the decimal. The decimal imagination is pretty good across the board for any of those like can we get it 10 times faster to them. Can we get the results 10 times faster can we make the experience last 10 times as long, you know all that. 36:56.65 mikebledsoe What could you deliver. 37:11.80 mikebledsoe Yeah, um, yeah. 37:14.78 Max Shank Is ah it's a clean visualization for some reason it it expands way more than thinking of doubling it I mean of course mathematically. 37:19.44 mikebledsoe Well doubling doesn't work doubling doubling doesn't work because people I believe that people's minds will start gravitating towards working twice as hard. It's It's a lot easier to work twice as hard that if I say. 37:32.10 Max Shank Oh here. 37:38.36 mikebledsoe the the 10 x thinking is a governor on how much work you can do because you can't work 10 times more than you're already working I mean unless you're only working an hour a da hour then then you could shut up max. But then. 37:46.62 Max Shank Yeah I mean I could. 37:54.70 Max Shank Ah, hey this is work is my work for the day. 37:55.57 mikebledsoe But then um, yeah, there you go? Ah so so the 10 x thinking really does force people into a high leverage way of thinking. It's a higher order of thinking. 38:05.42 Max Shank I agree. You also said something that I was just talking about yesterday which is huge is you don't want to identify with suffering I mean you can if you want to but I feel like it is a major inhibitor in the results you get. Because instead of your ah result being proportional to the result itself your your metric is how much you suffered and the ratio of how much you suffered to what you produced and I think that um holds a lot of people in a. 38:38.16 mikebledsoe Um, yeah. 38:44.92 Max Shank Really diminished state because the the value that they were taught either implicitly or explicitly is that suffering is the value. Not the value is the value and hey that's fucked and I'm sorry if that's you ah. But you can change your mind if you want to. 39:06.58 mikebledsoe Ah, you're you're spot on. Yeah there there was a period of time where I didn't yeah. 39:13.72 Max Shank That's what I learned I mean full disclosure. That's what I learned like if you suffer more you're more good and the reality is ah like that's kind of true historically like when we tell stories if a guy suffers a lot. We're like man that Martyr was a real badass. He got. Drawn and quartered for what he believed in or this guy got crucified for what he believed in I mean crazy right? So you don't want to identify with suffering. It's way it's way more It's kind of a ah weird selfish thing. 39:34.23 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, yeah, wild. 39:49.29 Max Shank And if you really focus on solving a problem for somebody else. You'll recognize that your suffering is totally irrelevant except for the fact that if you suffer more you'll probably be able to produce less. So so. 40:00.32 mikebledsoe Yeah, the um ah in my in my trainings a lot of times I have students they do a journaling about how about the the collapse distinction of sacrifice and service and. 40:16.62 Max Shank Oh shit. That's a good one I hope you have that written down. It's nice. 1 40:19.67 mikebledsoe Yeah, So there's yeah, there's there's this it happens a lot with people with military Backgrounds Blue Colar Backgrounds I mean such as max and I come come from these types of backgrounds and the idea is that. Sacrifices and service are like intermingled constantly in the language. So as you're getting older because here's the thing we learn definitions of words through context we don't sit Down. We weren't taught each word and sat down and. Go Oh Let's look at the dictionary so we learn everything through context and so unconsciously a lot of us when when people hear about service their mind automatically translate that to be associated with sacrifice as Well. And so. 41:12.82 Max Shank Get right. 41:14.92 mikebledsoe What ends up happening I see this a lot with mothers is if they like they they can't enjoy themselves because the moment they start enjoying themselves. They're not being a good mom. Yeah, exactly exactly So this. 41:18.34 Max Shank Oh yeah, the Sufferin mama. 41:27.80 Max Shank They're a bad mom. You're a bad mom. What are you fucking enjoying yourself bad mom. 41:34.74 mikebledsoe This idea So I have everyone journal out you know, ah the definition of each go look it up just go look it out and write it down now. Can you have service without sacrifice. Can you have sacrifice without service. Yes, on both. So. 41:40.86 Max Shank M. 41:50.24 Max Shank Depends on how you define sacrifice 1 of the definitions I think for sacrifice is just ah like what are you? What are you paying right? I'm sacrificing this in exchange for this. So it really depends on the. 41:53.71 mikebledsoe Um. 41:57.89 mikebledsoe Yeah, well my friend Jesse just yeah well Jesse Elder defined the sacrifice is that you the difference between sacrificing and investing is. 42:07.32 Max Shank The definition. So what you said is right? You just have to have it there. 42:16.53 mikebledsoe A lot of times people use the word sacrifice when they're talking about giving up something now for something greater later and that's yeah and that's technically an investment. Not a sacrifice sacrifice is when you give up something for a lesser value. So that's. 42:21.74 Max Shank Like in a chess game when you do a sacrifice for a gambit. 42:35.33 mikebledsoe That's a distinction that he's created that I that I find to be really useful that may not necessarily be true, but it's a really useful way to think possible. What. 42:39.58 Max Shank Um, you know I don't even know if it's possible to sacrifice something for a lesser value because in that moment you are making a value estimation. On what you're going to get out of this behavior. So I think you are always ah basically gambling. Um, it kind of is similar to yeah I think I mean people always do what they think is going to get them. 43:04.90 mikebledsoe Ah, sometimes people know that they're gonna I don't know it's hard to say I. Well, let's get out. 43:15.94 Max Shank The the most for the least if we want it if we want to simplify it down people want the most for the least and sometimes what they give up is not worth as much as what they got is like my friend Rob says is the fucking you're getting worth the fucking. You're getting. 43:32.52 mikebledsoe Um, or going like this. Yeah. 43:33.84 Max Shank Ah, ah what you made me think of you. What me? what you made me think of though um was why I think ah tolerance is the worst thing in the world I think being able to I think. 43:48.85 mikebledsoe Dude you live in California you're supposed to be tolerant of everything everybody all the time you you should have a flat flat set of values. Everything should be the same value all the time. 43:52.76 Max Shank No okay so go go ahead and lump lump me in lump me in with tens of millions of people in a sweeping generalization because I'm such a normal such ah because I'm such a normal fucking dude in the None place right. 44:02.66 mikebledsoe I Just did I. 44:11.11 mikebledsoe Ah. 44:12.38 Max Shank Jesus fucking Christ so being able to tolerate physical forces. That's good. That's athletic, right? But when people tolerate something. Ah let's say psychologically or relationship. Wise it's ah it's one of the worst things you can do because you're not what you should do is you should reject it or you should accept it and I think people make the mistake of they tolerate. Which is like they're being wounded constantly and they build this resentment from this little barbed wound so you should either accept it fully or reject it but you should never tolerate never tolerate behavior you don't want accept it. Let it go or reject that shit. 45:02.91 mikebledsoe Ooh. 45:07.80 Max Shank Don't fucking tolerate. It's the work tolerant. You heard it here first. Tolerance is the worst thing for a relationship. That's what's up. 45:13.70 mikebledsoe I Love it I Love it. You're right I like the acceptance or reject it. Tolerance tolerance is like I don't want to make a choice I don't want to. It's a lack of responsibility in the context your. 45:25.60 Max Shank Um, yeah, no, it's even worse. It is a choice. It is a choice I'm gonna I'm gonna watch I'm gonna watch this thing that a person does and I'm not gonna like it and I'm gonna Harbor resentment because of it. 45:32.42 mikebledsoe Well, every non-choice is a choice. 45:45.00 Max Shank And it's going to feel like and it's going to feel like a perpetual cost is's going to feel like ah, a perpetual suffering. It's going to feel like a sacrifice. That's what made me think of it is like you're you're you're now in a psychological energetic debt because you are tolerating instead of accepting. 45:51.37 mikebledsoe Ah. 46:02.80 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 46:04.66 Max Shank And it's like that French phrase to know all is to forgive all like you know full acceptance is going to allow that energy to flow full rejection is going to allow you to flow your energy elsewhere but Tolerance is just this like parasitic energy leakage where nobody's winning. Out of that Deal. Tolerance sucks. 46:24.55 mikebledsoe I Really I Really like that perspective. That's that's brand new for me I'm gonna write some things down. But I think that's just gonna be the title of the show is tolerant sucks. 46:41.64 Max Shank I knew I stumbled onto something good here. This is a new thing for me too. It's when within the last week some headline shit. Yeah. 46:42.95 mikebledsoe Yeah, some headline shit. Oh yeah, yeah, what did you? What did you? What caused you to stumble across this one. What we got you thinking on this. Do you remember you might be like me, you just wake up and you're like ah. 46:55.54 Max Shank So my my my special lit I mean I'm kind of like Richard Feynman in that sense where like I just get a kick out of thinking about things I like to dance around with sticks and ropes and clubs and swords and that kind of shit. But. 47:06.10 mikebledsoe Ah. 47:14.72 Max Shank I also get a real kick out of just sitting in a big comfy chair and thinking about shit you know, but this time ah I was talking with my special lady friend. None of her friends. Ah, just recently broke up with her boyfriend right? And so. She went to go console this friend. She told me a little bit about what's going on nothing like no grizzly details or anything like that just in um, you know generalities. How do you interact and relate to another person and. You realize that it's ah it's rarely something like all at once that sends it to hell there is a straw that breaks the Camel's back but there's always something in the background that is being tolerated. That's the problem is like something has been tolerated instead of accepted or rejected. Accepted boom floodgates are open rejected boom the gates are closed and so as far as like ascribing fault to None party or the other like the the alleged offender or the one who's just quietly suffering those offenses. It's like. You got to take away that resentful tolerance and accept everything whole heart as it is or you got to reject it a little bit more forcefully and the longer those boundaries get ah, blurred and fuzzy and. You move your boundaries in and you feel resentment because now you're not really comfortable because your boundaries aren't where you'd like them to be um, it. It just seems so clear to me now even looking back at all my past relationships and I've never felt better about that. Personally because you just learn something from everybody and you appreciate the time for what it was and it's it's very easy to become ah resentful and I think that's ah all because of tolerance instead of acceptance or rejection. 49:21.30 mikebledsoe Love it. Love it. Thank you for that one all right? What's have do with ah fishing poles. Yep. 49:24.63 Max Shank And yeah, man, Thank you, You want to know so people often ah resent their circumstances and they tolerate their circumstances but they don't fully accept them either. And that's like having a big chip on your shoulder. Ah and and you're stuck in this ideology rather than just accepting where where you are here and now and realizing that what you have is here and now and whatever you have. That's what the fuck you have. And if you're like but that other guy has more. It's like Okay, yeah, yeah, he does so like a thousand years ago. The guy who had. 50:08.62 mikebledsoe What are you gonna do about it anytime anyone complains about something I ask them? What are you gonna do about it and a lot of time that throws people off. 50:19.83 Max Shank Um, well look. You should either be ah like asking for help or offering help Really if you're not sure what to do like ask for help or offer help You're not going to get anywhere. 50:29.63 mikebledsoe Yeah. 50:35.87 Max Shank By complaining unless you go into politics then you can get a tremendous amount you can actually get more power and money than anyone else in the world If you just come That's professional level complaining. 50:43.67 mikebledsoe Could you imagine if if ah could you imagine? ah like ah a Ceo going out in the world and complaining for his marketing just going out there and complaining about shit. 50:59.28 Max Shank Ah, Amazing. You can only complain as part of your marketing If. You're complaining about the state of the market I Can't believe how horrible this market is. That's why I came in here to change the game with my new and improved version of what this market is lacking like there's a., There's ah, there's a place for it for sure. But yeah I I think ah, you don't want to tolerate your situation you fucking accept it or you reject it and you come up with a new one. But I think I Really think Tolerance is like ah a really bad value. Ah, in the sense that we're talking about and in the sense of physical forces. It's one of the best ever means you can tolerate a huge amount of force without ah deform ah plastic deformation right? without breaking or deforming. So That's that's a good thing physically and then energetically acceptance not tolerance but acceptance so I think that applies to where people are in their lives. Professionally I think Also I think a lot about. A lot of acceptance is about seeing things for what they truly are and when it comes to putting an offer together. It's like it's great if you like something but it doesn't mean that other people have to like it and the same thing is true for like a solution that worked for you. It. It may not be the solution that everybody else wants and I think that's ah, that's how a lot of people get sucked into some sort of weird fanaticism or zealotry I'm trying to think of a less fancy word but they get they get really hyper about something. Because it really worked well for them and then they start basically using a hammer to bash down every screw that they find because they don't know the difference in what is being presented in that other person versus what happened to them. They're like oh my God I did hamstring curls and it cured my life. Everyone's doing hamstring curls and I've I've attended maybe 50 weekend seminars in my life. No. Well I mean as a student I've taught like 200 but I I would ah I would notice it in myself. I'd go to a seminar I'd come back and I would just be like parroting that shit I couldn't help it you know and as I started teaching more seminars I made more and more of a point to remind people to not just like brain dump. 53:31.78 mikebledsoe Yeah. 53:46.65 Max Shank Everything I told them on their new clients and think that you know it's a 1 ne-size fits all approach to everything. 53:50.90 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, yeah I had a ah talk with a guy the other day where I told him just that in his marketing is focus on the benefits. Not the features. He had all these features it was revolutionary for him. 54:05.10 Max Shank Revolutionary Revolutionary Revolutionary The features just need to be a bullet point to justify the price I think unless it's part of the story. 54:08.55 mikebledsoe But it's well this is this is the problem. Well None problem is people are focused on the people people know the features and they think that if I they tell other people the features they're going to get the value of it but they need to hear the benefit they're going to get from the features. But the other thing is is going back to being in touch with reality I'm not sure. There's you know I think there's some coaches out there that are telling other coaches that you know they can make a million dollars you know following their their bliss type of thing. But. 54:45.90 Max Shank Some of them some of them. Yeah. 54:47.64 mikebledsoe Some of them some of them can and I think part of it is like some of them did and then they turn around tell people do the same thing but that doesn't always work. So for instance, yeah. 54:56.64 Max Shank It's like multi-level marketing. It's like multi-level marketing like 90% of the people. Ah, it didn't have what it takes in the none place and did nothing with it and then a small percentage are like fucking rock stars and they're like. What is this an electric dildo some fancy antioxidant berry juice I'll sell None of them this month I'm on it. You know what? I mean it doesn't it doesn't matter even what it is. There's just that crew that will always do well. But. 55:14.20 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. But I get for instance I'll get a I'll get a coach as I'm like um I'm like okay, what are your goals. Oh I want to be able to make x amount of dollars. I was like okay your business needs to make this amount if you want to take this amount home and there and then it's kind of like a oh shit and I'm like okay who's your who's your client like what type people are you serving is like well mma fighters in their early twenty s trying to go pro. 55:32.25 Max Shank Well. 55:50.50 mikebledsoe And I go Well do those guys have money. Do they have and and do they valueate? Yeah I mean and well I think most guys trying to go pro and mate don't have money I I. 55:54.28 Max Shank Do they want this I mean a lot of them may have money but do they want it. 56:05.48 Max Shank My experience is the same I used to want to train those guys like my gym at the very beginning because I was into all that shit I was like a fucking retarded testosterone out 21 year old when I started my gym I was I was fighting in the cage. 56:08.46 mikebledsoe Okay, yeah. 56:25.37 Max Shank Was like I am a tough motherfucker and I'm gonna fill this gym full of guys just like me and you know what those guys didn't pay a God damn thing those guys suck Those guys are those guys are always about like. 56:30.30 mikebledsoe Yep. 56:39.51 Max Shank Ah, dude I'll tweet you bro and I'm like oh Jesus fucking. It didn't take long for me to head down to the country clubs and swoop up some of the 45 to 65 range there are easier businesses and hard businesses. Let's just say it that way. 56:41.49 mikebledsoe I'm great people. 56:46.79 mikebledsoe Exactly exactly? Yeah, so like what I. 56:59.15 Max Shank There are easier businesses. There are things that people already want and there are things that are a tough sell. 57:01.69 mikebledsoe Yeah, well here here's the thing I I do 2 things for free. So I get.? Yeah yeah I did 2 things I have 2 offers for free that I give people and both of them tap into my expertise that I normally get paid for or at least used to get paid for and I am he ruined it as. 57:11.61 Max Shank I'm excited by whatever these 2 things are going to be by the way. Ah. 57:25.76 Max Shank Is it prostate massage is that one of them. Sorry. 57:31.23 mikebledsoe Um, so I give these things away and I and I love it because I don't charge a dime for it whereas a bunch of other people are trying to figure out how to charge what I'm doing when I'm offering for free and the only reason I can offer it for free is because I have. Paying customers somewhere else people that actually do have money. 57:50.81 Max Shank Oh shit, he's flexing on y'all right now I give away better stuff for free may maybe better. You don't always get what you pay for, but it's because you are so confident. 57:57.60 mikebledsoe Well not yeah, probably but like maybe better you don't always get me pay for it. 58:08.12 Max Shank In your ecosystem right? that you have created that once they experience something you've given them for free. You got None of value down the road right? no. 58:15.17 mikebledsoe Well well here's the thing is thinking about like um, well yeah, maybe but actually I don't have a plan for it at all with the 2 things I like I have no plan for either None of these things to ever make money and these are. But types of thing people want to help people who it's charity. That's not really it's not it's not really charity um oh no, what? what? I give away for free is I do a Tuesday night workout for a handful of my buddies at my house. 58:32.25 Max Shank Um, so it's so it's marketing. No fuck you. It's not char you it's marketing a free book is great marketing. 58:48.71 Max Shank Oh that's nice. Yeah, that sounds great. 58:51.82 mikebledsoe Right? And then we grill some meat afterwards and we kick it and they get world-class training. You know most of them never been exposed to like a coach that's been exposed to things I've been exposed to so they're getting their minds blown. They're learning more about their bodies for an hour once a week and. 59:09.18 Max Shank I dig it. 59:10.76 mikebledsoe I and I never care to train pay you know accept money for for physical training. So I do that So I give that away for free and then I give away which I give that to people who don't know that they could get training right? like they don't even know to go get it but because. 59:25.58 Max Shank Right. 59:29.20 mikebledsoe My friends I'm like come over to my house I'll I'll I'll treat you and then on Thursday mornings I have I meet with these guys who are blue collar and these guys could can't afford me for for the types of of advice and. Coaching that I would give but if they can figure out a way to make time out of their day at None a m on Thursdays I meet with them at the park. We kick it for an hour and I just help them with whatever it is. That's going on in their life. Well I just kept on coming across all these guys so like ah it was like I was getting like all these blue collar guys like. 59:59.36 Max Shank No kidding How do you set this one up. 01:00:08.40 mikebledsoe I'd be at a cafe student just couldn't stop talking to me so I was like I Well I guess I'm not supposed to work' going to supposed to talk to this guy. So I talked to this guy I'm like oh you start sharing his problems with me is like I don't know why I all a sudden look like a a target for other people's problems. But then. 01:00:16.86 Max Shank Ah. 01:00:26.97 mikebledsoe I Got a guy that came to saw saw me solar and you know the the conversation turned and he needed some help so I was able to give him some help and then another guy I met ah you know at the at the gym same thing like you know he's he's. Somehow what opens up to me and starts talking and then so I got these guys and I'm like look if you have any of your other friends that you know and some of these guys are dealing. You know they're dealing with some heavy like legal stuff and all sorts of crazy shit and so I'm meeting with them and. For most of them the benefit they get is just understanding that whatever they're experiencing internally other guys are experiencing that same thing internally too. I mean that that by itself is just so healing because most of these guys they screwed up something we Well we all screwed up. 01:01:14.37 Max Shank Ah. Lost Boys their lost boys. 01:01:23.26 mikebledsoe We we all screw up in our life. Yeah, we all screw up in our life At some point right? and then we then we judge our s ourselves for having screwed up and most guys they just clam up and never share that with anybody because they think that their situation is truly unique. 01:01:33.28 Max Shank Often. Talk about suppressing right? I mean who suppresses more than dudes with their feelings. Ah. 01:01:41.70 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, So um, so just just the act of getting out and hanging out and talking about it and then realizing that other dudes have the same problems and then and then I'll obviously also offering strategies for dealing with. These things. Yeah, so these are 2 things that I like to I just do for for free that I know other people are trying to charge for and if you're trying to sell coaching to somebody that doesn't have money like I don't have any interest in trying to sell something. 01:02:02.70 Max Shank It's like a feeling of a community. It sounds like. 01:02:18.38 mikebledsoe To the blue collar I'm not gonna go sell coaching to the blue collar community one. They're not really looking for it. Um, and ah because they don't know it exists. They just don't even know it exists. Yeah. 01:02:22.90 Max Shank But now. 01:02:31.73 Max Shank You're talking about using the right bait for the right fish basically and the fact that not everything has to be ah, a monetary exchange because my guess is you get a tremendous amount out of these experiences every week otherwise you would not do them. 01:02:38.25 mikebledsoe Not everything. 01:02:44.47 mikebledsoe I Absolutely so but the only reason I can do them is because I am using the right bait with the right fish somewhere else that feeds me it pays my bills it. 01:02:53.96 Max Shank Exactly you got a crew of guys out on a fleet of boats. They're catching fish you're shooting the breeze with the guy at the diner and if you don't free up your time. Ah, you're always stuck with the pole. 01:03:02.32 mikebledsoe Exactly. 01:03:11.21 Max Shank In the River You don't have a chance to tell other guys about fishing. You don't have a chance to just relax on the beach yourself. Um, yeah, that's a really interesting way to use our resources right? It's like you're using your resources to get something that. 01:03:29.84 mikebledsoe Yeah, well, ah, there's ah this this actually happens in like a lot of the the medicine world like I learned about this from Ashley she's psychotherapist and they have this thing called a sliding scale. So you know they may charge. 01:03:31.12 Max Shank Ah, you can't purchase. 01:03:49.28 mikebledsoe Two hundred bucks, two hundred and fifty three hundred bucks an hour as as a psychotherapist to their clients. But if someone comes in There's a certain number of spots they have allotted that they're allowed to go down in a sliding scalells like you know I'm only in charge you a hundred bucks because I know you can't afford it in this and that and I look at it I go man. Ah, sliding scale is too narrow I want a sliding scale where I'm charging this person $3000 per hour and then I'm giving this person the thing for twenty bucks an hour or five bucks an hour or free ends. 01:04:20.22 Max Shank Well, that just means you're good at drawing a boundary of what you feel comfortable with my my thing is people pay full price. Ah for what I'm doing or they pay nothing and I I I like that I like that idea better. 01:04:31.70 mikebledsoe Yeah, that's that's pretty much I don't I don't do discounts either. You know. 01:04:39.83 Max Shank Because um, when I was when I was coming up when I was just a young book coming up I was ah you know started out coaching people
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00:00.00 Max Shank Us folk who call up customer support not knowing what to do sometimes turning it off and on again solves the problem and that's pretty weird. 00:10.23 mikebledsoe Yeah I worked in I t in my late teens early 20 s and 9 times out of 10 that was the solution. So. 00:22.98 Max Shank I remember recently maybe like a year ago getting a new router installed and like a wireless thing a router and a modem I suppose and trying to understand how that shit works is. Really there's a lot of shit going on back and forth between a lot of different places with that little box. It's insane. Um, sadly, it's one of those things I really don't feel like I've made much progress on I feel like I made a little bit of progress learning about. 00:44.89 mikebledsoe Yeah. 00:50.27 mikebledsoe It. 01:02.30 Max Shank Computer coding plumbing that sort of thing. But as soon as you start getting into the the cell signals and the wireless linkups and where everything's going. It gets a little hard to follow. 01:14.10 mikebledsoe Yeah I think ah well the basis of troubleshooting to be a good troubleshoter. Is you just have to understand how the system works in the None place it is binary all the way through it's it. But anytime like when I help Ashley with something. 01:25.13 Max Shank Binary all the way through. Yeah, that's what's so interesting. 01:33.72 mikebledsoe Some type of troubleshooting thing. Ah, it's ah it's basically because she doesn't understand how the whole system works. You don't know if check this and then this and then this um but we had um, we had a loss of water in our house a couple months ago I call the I call the city all this stuff. Guy comes out tells me I just need to clean my you know the filters and my faucets. Whatever that didn't work and come to find out that my hot water heater has some type of sensor that gets triggered when I have heavy rain that turns off the hot water heater. So. 02:07.95 Max Shank Aha. 02:10.64 mikebledsoe And' have I had cold water I didn't have hot water but I didn't didn you figure it out but there was a part of the system in which I didn't even know existed that I ended up discovering because there was an alarm going off in my attic where the hot water heaters at and it was faint. 02:11.92 Max Shank Ah, hi yeah. 02:27.52 Max Shank Aha. 02:29.81 mikebledsoe So yeah, troubleshooting is an interesting thing if you don't if you don't know the system knows detail. It's going to be difficult to figure out what's going on but sometimes when you need the troubleshoot. That's when we figure out how something actually works. 02:43.18 Max Shank Well, it's like the Layman doesn't even know what to check? let alone how to fix it. He he doesn't even have a checklist. You know if you at least have a checklist then you can maybe start somewhere and I think that's how I approach fitness. It's a little bit mechanical. Still. 02:49.69 mikebledsoe Um. 03:03.20 Max Shank Um, I feel like I'm torn. A lot of the time between just telling people to like go hike and dance and if you occasionally carry something heavy while you're hiking and climb on stuff. It'll all work out and then there are other times where I think of ah, a checklist for ah daily. Um. Movements that you might want to focus on like roll bounce balance crawl climb carry rub squeeze shake these different like little things that you can just check off None at a time and I guess it's good. It works for different personality types. But it's funny how they're sometimes very analytical like none you have this topic you have these 3 movements per topic boom boom boom very regimented and then other times I'm like yeah if you bounce around and shake your arms out. You'll you'll move your lymph so you're not in this stagnant toxicity. 03:41.88 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 03:56.54 Max Shank And then ah you know throw £20 in a backpack and go hike and climb on some stuff and you'll be relatively good enough. Just go enjoy that. 04:03.12 mikebledsoe Yeah I think that um you know this brings out the topic for me is structure and flow and if you don't have enough structure in place then finding flow is gonna be like flow that actually works So There's people who you know. Ah I'll see people preaching online about intuitive eating and and I go that actually doesn't work until someone has done some pretty like I'm an intuitive eater but I've done a bunch of hardcore diets where I've restricted myself heavily and I. 04:36.72 Max Shank Right. 04:41.57 mikebledsoe Tuned into when my body needs something or doesn't need something but the only you know if you were living off ice cream bars and and snickerdooodles then he's triggered folks then. 04:49.68 Max Shank I Feel attacked. 04:58.55 mikebledsoe Like your your a ability to tap into what your body actually needs is is diminished and so I think the same thing happens with with fitness like you and I both have a really deep understanding of like we've gone through like really structured stuff for so long that we worked on stuff. We would not normally have worked on. But now that we have we can tell like when I go in the gym I go yeah I don't work this this skill or this part of my body feels weak like I need to I need to shore it up and and do some stuff but I'm preparing for a spartan race. And run the beast at the end of September by the way anyone I'm doing a spartan race doing the world championships in Tahoe September Twenty Fourth anyone who or yeah, love ta ha any excuse to go so I'm gonna run the race and. 05:36.85 Max Shank Is this a real story. You're gonna be doing a Spartan race. 05:45.60 Max Shank I was just there last week oh my god get out of here. 05:55.19 mikebledsoe Ceo of Spartan Joe Decenna he gave me an unlimited amount of free registrations for my friends who all want to run it with me. He said I could have 200 people if I want and so ah, by the way if anyone wants to go run that race with me the. 06:02.30 Max Shank Wow in Lake Tahill oh my god. 06:14.75 mikebledsoe Will be the strong coach team will be just Dm me I'll send you the links to to get registered and yeah I want to have like 200 people running that race. All of us start together finish together. 06:24.29 Max Shank Wow Same t-shirts on everybody like a excellent little ah tribe cult something or other I mean look it's a group. There are a lot of words for group Cult is a bit of a trigger word right. 06:33.17 mikebledsoe You know what? I just ordered a bunch of t-shirts we can do. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, our cult is the best and ah so we're. 06:42.69 Max Shank But that's what it is None rule in every cult. Our cult is the best thou shalt have no other cults or cult masters above me god the beakram yoga guy same same same rules. 06:50.53 mikebledsoe Yes. 06:55.33 mikebledsoe Ah, yeah, ah yeah, probably so I'm preparing for that race and I've run it a couple times with very little preparation I did okay but I noticed that every time I run the race. The thing that bothers me the most is my knees hurt the last. 07:04.11 Max Shank Or. 07:13.16 Max Shank Of. 07:14.60 mikebledsoe Quarter of it lot of downhill on rocks but I can make my knees stronger. There's things I can do to improve that My grip strength is definitely a limiter near the end. There's so much climbing so much picking and carrying things and um, like. 07:27.46 Max Shank Interesting I am. 07:34.39 mikebledsoe Overall cardio doesn't seem to be that big of ah a limiter I mean it it is but compared to just ah yeah, because near the end of the race you're picking up a None tire too. So you've run a dozen miles up and down hills carrying sandbags and buckets of sands and shit. 07:50.20 Max Shank The. 07:52.00 mikebledsoe And then it's like okay now flip this tire. So yeah, the the things I notice I'm like oh what I need to train for is I need to improve my grip strength endurance I need to improve my knee health and strength and I need to be able to pick up just heavy shit. And need to pick up something heavy every once in a while in in I say about three hundred pounds three hundred 08:11.78 Max Shank How heavy we talking I think it's I think it's a great topic that we just touched on here because it's nice to get practical because kind of like it. It all comes full circle. It's very similar to. Knowing how to make a great recipe so you go from a guy who just chops up the vegetables to the guy who's assembling everything together the line cook and then you got the head Chef who's doing you know flavor profiles and combinations and he's the artist and that kind of ties us back to that intuitive eating. 08:44.69 mikebledsoe Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 08:50.26 Max Shank You were talking about if you have no intuition to intuit like what the fuck are you doing like I've I've been really mindfully eating these twinkies and I'm really intuitively you know I feel like I could walk about None steps and burn these up that seems like a reasonable. Exchange you will never you I'm still surprised how efficient we are at utilizing at saving calories. Anyway. 09:13.33 mikebledsoe Yeah, what you can um ho that makes me think you can hone intuition and the only way to hone it is you got to be paying attention to the results. So so the twinkie 10 steps thing. It's a great idea. But say someone eats twinkies does ten steps day after day after day and they just get fatter and fatter. Then if you're paying you go? Oh well so the intuition is something that gets calibrated and it gets calibrated by results. So the people who lack intuition. 09:38.35 Max Shank Totally. 09:50.96 mikebledsoe I find just aren't paying attention to the results because if you're paying attention to the inputs and the outputs then you're going to be honing that intuition. But if you're not paying attention to those things then you'll never have it and you'll just suffer and struggle through life. 10:05.50 Max Shank Is it I think of it like intuition is a certain openness and then the way to hone it like you said is to take that intuition and harmonize it with your wisdom which is. 10:23.31 mikebledsoe You know. 10:23.90 Max Shank All the stuff that you've learned with respect to who you authentically are which which is some combination of your genes and your experiences and the weird stories you believe. But I think it's about harmonizing that like openness gut. Instinct Raw like Curiosity spark of inspiration. Whatever and then passing it through okay is this is this congruent on some level with what I have experienced and then from there having the openness to try something new or having the resolve to. Go is something that you have good experience with so ah, intuitive training is where I was going with it so we went intuitive cooking to eating to training now. 11:00.42 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, agreed but going back going back to Spartan Race and intuition and I I know that yeah yeah so now it's I know that I need to work on a handful of things if I want to enjoy myself on the race more I'll experience less pain and suffering I know I'm Goingnna finish. But how much pain how much pain am I going to finish it. So yeah, so. 11:18.67 Max Shank Oh. 11:29.90 Max Shank We all want that for you. 11:37.15 mikebledsoe Basically just start mapping it out and I have an idea for like what things I'm going to train on one day's but I'm not writing out the specific exercises and if I get to that day and I realize I still haven't recovered from this or that or whatever I'm making adjustments along the way. So I got ten weeks 11:37.78 Max Shank Um. 11:47.50 Max Shank Um, so so you'll so you'll have ten weeks until that I mean look I'll take any excuse almost any excuse to go back to Lake Tahoe ah although as a rule I typically only run when I'm chasing something or being chased could I be a chaser I feel like that's more my nature honestly. 12:05.13 mikebledsoe We can. We could make that work I think we should just find a really fast hot girl to run in front of you and. 12:17.96 Max Shank I'll catch her so fast. It will be game over I'll I'll run one fortieth of the race. Um, no, but so is your checklist then for. 12:26.31 mikebledsoe Oh. 12:34.75 Max Shank You're let's say you're like filling in the gaps right? And that's another thing I would love to talk about at some point is the difference in mentality between just fluffing up your ego and a few certain things versus really looking for like really looking for. Where you have the ability to improve right? Ah, it's It's a checkup. 12:54.71 mikebledsoe Well, that's why I run the spartan race every year I go to tahoe every fall and I run it. It's and it's an annual checkup I only have to go once a year and I know yeah. 13:04.31 Max Shank Um, Dr Spartan Doctor Spartan Dr Spartan says he fucking suck it hanging. 13:11.19 mikebledsoe Yeah, So it's like well it's a good check because there's very few skills that you're not going to practice out there. Um, So there's some that are going to be left off for sure. But in ah in a single day you're going to know a lot about yourself. And so I really love it for that. 13:30.39 Max Shank Well here's ah, here's a little phrase I like it's ah done today able tomorrow done today able tomorrow and it's kind of a shorter version of if you don't use it. You lose it. 13:39.60 mikebledsoe M. 13:49.53 Max Shank And ah, a positive version. So I'm guessing for your annual tahoe checkup that you do almost nothing related to the spartan race for about ten months and then you do two months of like. Very dedicated training for it is that would you say that's correct. 14:11.46 mikebledsoe Yeah, you're spot on. Maybe even let maybe more like eleven months typically this is is it's 10 weeks I'm I'm um, this is the most prepared I've gone in so far I even ran this past weekend. 14:17.24 Max Shank Ah, you did just say eight weeks so I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. But. Are. 14:30.72 mikebledsoe And um I don't do that ah very often at all. 14:33.79 Max Shank I I feel like you have this knowing that you can do nothing activity wise and still finish that Spartan race. Yeah I see it. 14:46.24 mikebledsoe That's the problem. Yeah. 14:50.67 Max Shank I Wish you guys could see his face right now. 14:53.28 mikebledsoe Ah, ah. 14:56.80 Max Shank Ah I was just thinking strategically if I were going to recommend to someone how to prepare for such an experience. Ah it wouldn't be the way that you're talking about. It's far from optimal in terms of a progressive. 15:03.82 mikebledsoe No, no, no, it's definitely far from optimal. Yeah I Just want to not hurt I Want to see because last time my knees. 15:15.50 Max Shank Adaptation right? So but not that bad right? like like ten months off a year hey I think that's totally a fair trade quite honestly, it's. 15:23.31 mikebledsoe Yeah, like it's only one day of pain one one day of pain. Yeah. 15:33.36 Max Shank It would be a lot of hours throughout the year otherwise but let's say you train five days a week for the next ten weeks is that about right. 15:42.37 mikebledsoe Ah, we'll call it 4 But yeah, None is aggressive for me I'm ah I need a lot of time to recover. 15:45.15 Max Shank Um, okay, so none a lot I was just thinking though if instead of forty days out of sixty days if you did. Fifty two days out of none what the difference in bet because that would be once a week just thinking mathematically, that's probably what I would recommend somebody do. But then again the thing I really recommend is move around a little bit every day. Why wouldn't you. It's like. 16:04.20 mikebledsoe A. 16:18.66 mikebledsoe Do yeah well I already do that. So that's why the that's why I liked. That's what I do I I move nice and easy every day and then when it comes to something like this do some sports specific training ramp it up. 16:21.87 Max Shank It's like you get to make it's like you get to make deposits and compound daily instead of weekly. E. 16:36.26 mikebledsoe And then I go back to being lazy. It's great. Definitely not running too far. 16:38.76 Max Shank And not running too far I can I can run after a tennis ball or like a soccer ball or frisbee or something like that. But when it's like hey just run over there. Part of me is like why. 16:51.93 mikebledsoe Yeah I like to I like to eat a little bit of mushrooms at the starting line and hang. You know it's a time to hang out with my friends in nature. That's that's really the way to go don't tell Joe that I do that the start of his race. 17:01.50 Max Shank Nice and it. 17:08.64 mikebledsoe Take performance enhancing mushrooms. 17:09.54 Max Shank Yeah I won't tell him on our public podcast. 17:14.44 mikebledsoe This is the members only section. What do you want to talk about today up out showing the nipple. 17:17.25 Max Shank Oh there's the members only section hang on that's the nipples Lefty writing. Okay, if you have a formula that works you stick with it. 17:31.47 mikebledsoe That's right, still don't have the membership side up you but we'll get there. Um, it's probably good that have a number of these banked since they' probably 15 toy minutes piece ah topics for today 1 um. 17:33.80 Max Shank Perfect. It's coming. 17:46.73 mikebledsoe 1 that is on top of my mind is ah I don't know that's what fit in maybe this will be just good for the members only to to hear but my brother is currently in Washington d c on trial for January six yeah Yeah 18:03.10 Max Shank Bumbom bum. 18:05.51 mikebledsoe He is according to some bumbling idiots a domestic terrorist that is a very scary phrase. 18:11.77 Max Shank Oh good God That's a scary phrase I've hey ah you're you're breaking up I I can't be seen talking to you anymore I'm out of here. 18:20.31 mikebledsoe Um, ah anyways, yeah, um, he he got caught up in the crowd that walked into the the ah was it called the capitol building and ah. 18:31.80 Max Shank Point life. 18:39.49 mikebledsoe Yeah I was. 18:40.18 Max Shank I'm sure that happened exactly the way they say it happened right? Sure it happened. However, folks say it happened come on I Hope he's okay I hope it works out. Okay for him. 18:44.99 mikebledsoe Whoever they are. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it. So that's he's in good spirits. He's um, yeah, he's my mom's up there with him and it's It's hard of my mom. That's the worst part. 19:02.20 Max Shank Oh yeah. 19:02.80 mikebledsoe Because I my brother. He's even my brother hat here's the thing is everything that I know that if justice prevails he walks away scott free but I don't yeah, we're not witnessing justice and you know that the United States department of justice. 19:08.60 Max Shank Ah, but. 19:22.89 mikebledsoe Doesn't It's like the opposite of that. So. 19:23.60 Max Shank That was a big weight off my shoulders when I stopped expecting Justice to happen and then getting frustrated when it didn't now it's more like if it does I'm pleasantly surprised but I kind of have this understanding that it's a doggy dog world and some people use. 19:28.18 mikebledsoe Um, to bonus. 19:41.99 Max Shank Dicks and some people use language and really people are just trying to help some help each other out fuck each other over dog eat dog. Whatever it's fine like but don't don't live your life expecting like oh that's not fair. Someone should make this fair. It's like yo don't don't expect that. 19:59.20 mikebledsoe That's you're gonna be miserable if you think if you want things to be fair. 20:01.74 Max Shank I lived that I lived that life a man in search of Justice got fucking idiot. 20:06.71 mikebledsoe Ah, yeah, so that's going on this week so I'm going to be I'm lucky that I'll be spending the majority of my time this week hunting. So I won't be cut up and I'll be off off grid for a few days. 20:19.51 Max Shank A. 20:24.50 mikebledsoe I mean I wish I could do something support him I Really don't have any like he's kind of like where he's at. There's not really much I can do at this point. So. 20:33.49 Max Shank There's a lot of situations like that where people say what's going on. You really have nothing to add. You're like I guess talk to an attorney and no one else and don't say anything and that's it like what else can you do. 20:43.74 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, um, yeah, have no idea. So yeah, that's an interesting thing So I'll be I'll be witnessing that and probably getting messages through the family text message thread. Yeah. 20:47.64 Max Shank Yeah. 20:56.21 Max Shank While while you're hunting What are you hunting for. 21:01.54 mikebledsoe Wild boar. So um. 21:02.71 Max Shank And your true self. 21:07.64 mikebledsoe My truest self I ought for sure. So yeah I don't know that really I mean that's not really a topic I think I part I already said everything that there is but it's all my mind. So no. 21:10.13 Max Shank Ah. 21:18.38 Max Shank Um, definitely something on your mind though Yo that's a man, especially for your mom too. That's tough. 21:28.20 mikebledsoe Yeah, real tough. Well he he also has 2 daughters. So yeah, yeah, it's ah. 21:32.20 Max Shank Oh my God they opened the door for him did he knock down a door. No come on you walk through a door. What's the big deal. 21:40.83 mikebledsoe No, no, they walked through a door that police officers were holding open. There's it's ah it's pretty ridiculous. That's and it's ridiculous. 21:52.12 Max Shank Yeah, that's what I mean it's like let some lawyer do that I realize it's like ah mathematics is so that you can explain more with less and law is so you can explain less with more. It's like the exact opposite. 22:08.38 mikebledsoe Yeah. 22:12.40 Max Shank Of the language of the universe. It's such a fucking cluster fuck. It's disgusting that that's where my shadow self comes out. It's like oh let's just skin those fuckers alive for abusing the language to rape the people. 22:17.11 mikebledsoe It's it's disgusting. 22:24.68 mikebledsoe Yeah, well if you if you're initiating violence then I think that it's in who are you know whoever is experiencing the violence from somebody else has a right to defend themselves and I think what we have is a bunch of people who've twisted up some words that. 22:37.36 Max Shank Hundred percent 22:43.76 mikebledsoe And then convinced these people who are supposed to be peace officers to go conduct violence and it's ah it's really frustrating. It's really frustrating situation. Yeah, it is outrageous. Yeah. 22:50.10 Max Shank Um, it's outrageous. Yeah I mean it all depends what you compare it to like before the King could just say off with his head and you're like huh This is I get this is better than that for sure like it's way better for a lot of reasons. But. 23:04.58 mikebledsoe It is better than that. Yeah, the the principles the same. The principle is the same. Yeah. 23:09.48 Max Shank You know, still you got to hold the line on some level right? and I think that's what you and I that's kind of what you and I talk about right is it's not that like we want to help people free themselves like I often say I don't want to be your mama like I don't want to control anybody I don't want to be responsible for them either. Like I don't think that's a ah good trade. That's what makes these folks who think they know best for everybody their existence So sad is they believe that at some point they will finally feel safe or good enough or whatever when they tell enough other people what to do with their meddling ways. But. You know it's just never enough and they're always feeling totally um at odds or at War within the present Moment. It's pretty fucked up actually. 23:56.63 mikebledsoe It makes and makes it for those of us folks that just mind our own business. Just yeah, it can be irritating. But if you get really good at mining your own business. They usually leave you alone. 24:10.64 Max Shank Yeah I would agree with that I think ah like most people that just leave alone I mean minus like the the fractional. Slavery that we all participated but there are positive aspects undeniably. So It's done horribly bad but there are positive aspects so you like got to keep that optimism though. Maybe no no opt fuck man. 24:24.00 mikebledsoe Um, yeah. 24:34.10 mikebledsoe Yeah, maybe we'll see yeah walk. Yeah. 24:41.37 Max Shank If you have no optimism you just don't do anything. That's that's the line is if you don't feel like there's a hope or belief for something positive in the future. Even if it's like I'm going to paint a picture later make ah sausage macaroni and cheese. You know you you got to have some. Ah. 24:58.57 mikebledsoe Yeah, what I I think I think the reality of it is is like we we look at the entire system and it's and it's really gross, but the what I look at like the the way we got here is because people didn't stand on principle. 25:00.71 Max Shank Belief or hope for the future. 25:17.49 mikebledsoe Ah, long time ago and so this thing is blood so far in and if you try to take it back on principle all the way back to where it should be to where the consent you know I give consent or not if you take it all the way back to the principle which is what happens is people snap out of it and go oh my God I never gave consent. 25:24.37 Max Shank Um, right. 25:35.44 Max Shank Right. 25:37.19 mikebledsoe And ah, you know they realize they're being rape and they then they go Oh I'm going to draw the line back where it should be and that's jarring like Society Society has a really hard time going adjusting to where things should be. 25:47.86 Max Shank Right. Oh Man So true. 25:54.97 mikebledsoe And yeah, so we got to like when I look at I go. How do we like stare step this thing back gradually the same way it got in which is going to be way harder to do than how we got here. It's kind of like losing weight so much easier to get fat. 26:10.27 Max Shank Yo you know what? it's like it's exactly like someone finally drawing boundaries with another person and the person who has been infringing on the boundaries unknowingly. 26:20.20 mikebledsoe Right. 26:27.67 Max Shank Because that None person has not been drawing those boundaries. They're totally shocked. They're like whoa this is a completely different person because it's such a big separation from that false ah boundary that you had that false front. Um. 26:40.91 mikebledsoe Yeah I what do you want? Do the show today. You want to do boundaries I know if we did boundaries or not yet. 26:48.35 Max Shank Ah, probably I mean I think the the power of no is like None of my favorite none principles concepts and um, ah. Feel like I almost drone on about that all the time but that's almost the only important thing is like can you say no and then can you can you hear No the no callous. Um I don't know if that's a full topic but we could talk about tahoe. 27:15.30 mikebledsoe Yeah, all right I like that the power of no, we don't have to go. You know we have to go like an hour hou hour hou hour fifteen every time we can just say the power of no and we got the. 27:31.38 Max Shank Have we done the power of no before. 27:31.97 mikebledsoe This section which is almost a half hour already I don't think so I don't remember writing that one down. Yeah. 27:37.43 Max Shank Ah, okay, well let's let's try a power of no slash like tahoe. Yeah, sure. 27:44.79 mikebledsoe Yeah, all right? you want can get off. 27:52.65 Max Shank Oh you mean like right now. Okay hey everybody welcome back to Monday mornings with max and Mike Today we're gonna talk to you about the power of no and the power of 1 of the most beautiful places ever. Lake. 27:53.70 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, like right now. 28:12.56 Max Shank Tahoe on the border of Nevada and California thanks for tuning in everybody mikey. Thanks for joining me again. 28:19.00 mikebledsoe of course. of course so um we're going to get that power of no, but yeah, just a quick quick note I will be arriving in tahoe the week of September Twenty four to run a spartan race. 28:26.98 Max Shank Are. 28:36.90 mikebledsoe And anybody who wants to join me. They get a free registration Joe Decena the Ceo of Spartan Race basically gifted us as many registrants as we want. So if you want to run the race with me shoot me up in the Dms and ah I'll be prepping for that I don't know if I'll be posting my training. Ah, hate posting training online but people fucking. Love it. 28:57.25 Max Shank I want to see tupper wares fully your food all lined up in a row for this I want to see you get serious like 1 of those like actual you know, athlete folks. Ah. 29:11.60 mikebledsoe I I kind of enjoy I enjoy that I don't have to do that and I'll still beat some of those people like I remember I remember. 29:20.57 Max Shank Um, oh yeah, we know? ah. 29:26.24 mikebledsoe Remember 4 was it four years ago I was running the race and I had ah None my buddies with me and 1 of the guys he bought and sold cannabis for a living so he may or may not have been classified as a drug dealer now we halfway through the race. My edible. Was wearing off and I was like oh no I'm feeling sober and he looks over and pulls out a little plastic wrapped joint and whips it out on the trail we blaze it halfway through gets me through the end of the race and um. 29:55.36 Max Shank Wow. Um, how long is this race. Oh a spartan race is eighteen miles holy god 30:03.46 mikebledsoe Eighteen miles well they have different links but this 1 is eighteen miles with four thousand feet of elevation climb. So. 30:15.96 Max Shank Sounds horrible. 30:18.84 mikebledsoe Yeah, it's pretty largerous and you're gonna do a swim at the top. It's it's like ° at this pond at the top of the hill they say 21 k but it could be as long as some years. It's longer than others but the year they. 30:22.68 Max Shank Jesus None obstacles for this spartan race. Um, good god. 30:35.26 mikebledsoe The year that they told me it was gonna be thirteen miles and end up being 18 Ah so at least well it's 30 obstacles. So it's we'll say it's thirteen miles so hop marathon plus thirty obstacles. 30:42.96 Max Shank Dude, that's that's like a None marathon at least is what we're talking. We're talking about a None marathon. 30:52.92 Max Shank Oh. 30:54.39 mikebledsoe Where you're carrying heavy things up and down the mountain. Ah, you know, maybe a hundred to two hundred yards at a time. So it's. 30:58.73 Max Shank Wow I'm interested to look into the obstacles a little bit more it sounds exciting but it doesn't sound like what I would want to actually do it. It does seem more fun. 31:12.67 mikebledsoe Yeah I mean that's why I. 31:17.99 Max Shank Then a race I saw that went through Death Valley 120 or something miles finished started in Death Valley hottest place in the world and then finished at the base of Mount Whitney in California and I just happened to we just drove through it. On the way back from tahoe and we saw these ah skeletons covered in ah bright white underarmor clothing from head to toe stumbling. It was just I was just thinking I can't think of a worse. Ah, athletic event than. Ah, hundred plus mile run through Death Valley that's obscene to me amazing that we can do it amazing that people can push to that limit. 31:57.25 mikebledsoe Yeah, it's tough. It's tough. It is obscene. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, well anyways, yeah, a few years ago I ran the race. We peeled off smoke the joint and there were half the people running by were jealous and the other half were disgusted. 32:21.87 Max Shank Yeah I think it'll be a different percentage now. Probably I think less discussed more more jealousy. It's one of those things. 32:23.28 mikebledsoe That we would do such a thing during a race.. What do you think?? What do you think it's going to be probably probably people people are having to learn how to enjoy themselves and the people that are gonna come out in race right now. Probably. Ah, a little bit looser. 32:46.89 Max Shank I'm surprised that ah Spartan had that many prudes Anyway I think it's more of a judgment call because I bet there are a bunch of booze bags judging that right. 32:53.20 mikebledsoe I Don't you know I don't know I don't think so I think a lot of them are pretty clean. 32:58.29 Max Shank I Mean not personally like you know I'm not into kink shaming like whatever you want to do coffee ah cocoa puffs like that's a cereal right? Coco puffs like chocolate Chocolate Mu Balls essentially. 33:15.61 mikebledsoe It's a it's a dessert disguised as a breakfast. 33:17.67 Max Shank But food is drugs. Coffee is drugs alcohol is drugs weed is drugs you might as well take something that's going to make your endurance better I mean that's that's definitely something right? That's what you're talking about that's what weed's for endurance. Wow. 33:30.70 mikebledsoe That's what the weeds for yeah oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, um, t hc binds the same receptor as ah, the name of it is eskating me but it's up. It's it's what causes the runners high and so Tc binds are the same one so you basically fall into that groove a lot sooner and the more time you spend in that groove the better your endurance is going to be because your nervous system is in a rhythm and it's. 33:48.80 Max Shank 1 34:03.29 Max Shank Um. 34:04.90 mikebledsoe It's calm and you're breathing really well and so ah, yeah, cannabis is ah you know amongst the people who know about it. There's a lot of endurance athletes who use it and it's it's great for that. Not great for picking up something heavy None time or moving incredibly fast. But for for repetitive motion over a long period of time. It's ah it's a wonderful substance. 34:31.63 Max Shank Um, definitely an endurance performance enhancer. 34:36.51 mikebledsoe Yeah, one of my favorite things to do when I was living in California was eating edible wait an hour and then just go run on the beach until I got tired I like go run on the beach I'd get tired I'd go swimming I'd run a little more go swimming crawl around. 34:53.80 Max Shank Um, sounds pretty complex and scientific ah program design there. Ah. 34:53.88 mikebledsoe Ah, was fucking weird about there. 35:03.81 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, um, you do we want to get in the power of no. 35:09.15 Max Shank Yeah, because you need to set some boundaries so that you can make your spartan race training a little bit more serious none of this like I'm going to sit on my ass for ten months and then just train for two months we need. We need to set boundaries. For spartan training year-round. It's time for you to take this seriously. 35:30.56 mikebledsoe Yeah, Well I Think what you're getting at is you know when I when I think about boundaries and the power of no like boundaries is your ability to say no and there's internal boundaries and then external Boundaries. So Most people I find that I get ah angry when I. When I cross my internal boundaries I might project that out on somebody else, but the yeah the internal boundaries I got to tell myself no to staying up late when I know I'm gonna train the next day I gotta be able to tell myself no to eating that donut or whatever it is and. 36:00.44 Max Shank On here. 36:07.55 mikebledsoe That can be really really difficult. But I think that at the core of that is really good I'm surrounded by good stuff. It's um, it's unfair. 36:08.92 Max Shank Especially if the stuff is really good like like saying no to broccoli is way easier than saying no to crack probably probably I think ah. 36:18.94 mikebledsoe Yeah I. Oh Man I Once had a friend who had tried crackout and he was like dude you should definitely try it because it's so good and don't know like make sure you don't know where to get more because you'll go get more. Oh go. Okay. 36:43.00 Max Shank Um, I mean he clearly doesn't think you're a very good detective but like you have this mind altertering experience. That's like nothing you've ever had and you're. 36:43.61 mikebledsoe That sounds like I'm not going to try it. Yeah. 37:00.30 Max Shank Willingness to do some detective work to find someone is like 0 I mean you could find crack. 37:02.96 mikebledsoe That's what you got like have someone drop you off on a desert island for like a week and then you know hit it on the first day. So I think that's the way that's how you have to go. 37:11.92 Max Shank Um, how to do crack by Mike Blood so how to ah. 37:17.74 mikebledsoe Um, but yeah, going back to the boundaries. The no is like telling yourself no is basically parenting yourself most people don't have good internal boundaries and they do a bunch of shit that they know that if they let children do that same thing. They would be doing that child a disservice. 37:41.20 Max Shank I've heard that when you can parent yourself is when you are considered an adult. That's one definition that I like of it I'm I'm not there yet myself. Um. 37:46.79 mikebledsoe Yep. Um, that's a definition I like to run around with. 37:56.50 Max Shank With everything ah or or or am I I mean something I think about is like you're really just making bets cost benefit analysis. So as long as you're getting what you want out of it. That's. 37:56.51 mikebledsoe No, not with everything I think it's a lifelong thing adulting. 38:15.15 mikebledsoe Yeah, and over time though. 38:15.58 Max Shank It's all good like do I drink too much coffee. That's that's a question I've been thinking about lately because I drink a lot of coffee maybe like four four ah diluted cups a day. 38:22.32 mikebledsoe Why have you been thinking about it. 38:30.70 mikebledsoe So what? What? What? What? Why could that? be bad for you. 38:33.12 Max Shank Pour in oh I have no idea I mean I've I've read into like some of the reasons why but I just wonder if it's if it's worth being such a regular part of the routine and and there's not really ah, a clear and definitive answer on it. 38:49.00 mikebledsoe I think that coffee was popularized as a healthy thing by bulletproof Dave Asprey did a really good job of making it. Okay, um oh yeah. 39:00.88 Max Shank Um, you think so I thought I thought it was like reasonably healthy before. 39:06.71 mikebledsoe Um I don't think it was held on the same pedestal I mean it's considered like a health product. At this point if you buy the right coffee you're drink you're drinking the smart intelligent healthy coffee. But if you drink the other coffee. You're just a. 39:14.91 Max Shank In. 39:20.99 Max Shank Um, well, it's like how about smart water. How about that brand Are you kidding me as Genius The bottles are very liked by hikers because they're pretty sturdy and very lightweight but we were thinking about the branding of smart water. 39:25.66 mikebledsoe Yeah, muggle. 39:31.57 mikebledsoe Blew it away. 39:40.92 Max Shank That that takes a lot of balls right? Smart I mean you would think someone must have thought of that before but look at that smartwater the smart coach. 39:48.50 mikebledsoe Maybe maybe I should have called my business. The smart coach instead of the strong coach. 39:58.97 Max Shank I Mean technically that's more what you would want. 39:59.00 mikebledsoe Ah, the smart Coach fuck. 40:03.36 Max Shank You just have you just have pictures of these like really buff idiots. Ah I ah man. Okay, so look boundaries being able to say no. 40:12.35 mikebledsoe Ah, er. 40:23.30 Max Shank To yourself is that's basically wisdom right? because you're not going purely off instinct and we talked a little bit about intuition and instinct in the pre-show today right? Well, there's a pre-show and you'll see my nipples. 40:34.10 mikebledsoe Ah, we didn't mention the pre-show. 40:42.69 Max Shank I at least show them on camera. So if you're listening, you'll know when they're there and we talk about some pretty cool stuff I liked the pre-show today. 40:50.17 mikebledsoe Yeah, the pre-show was loaded with good content today and and personal sharing information. so yeah yeah yeah so um at some point. 40:59.95 Max Shank That's true. There was some good personal sharing. It's like a little therapy session for all of us there. 41:07.75 mikebledsoe The bloodsideher dot Com I'll have a link set up so that you can get access to the ah the membership site which will be donation based. That's all all back to boundaries. 41:13.65 Max Shank Um, Boom back to boundaries boundaries with yourself say no to drugs such a funny phrase right? I mean that's why I always love coffee as the example, right? they're they're talking about like crack and that stuff. Um. Being able to say no to other people is not a skill that everyone has. They're really concerned that people won't like them anymore if they draw the boundary they actually want and what's funny is sometimes that's true because you're growing up. People are pretty immature. And then you're an adult and people are still pretty immature and if you do something that someone doesn't like they'll treat you different. So It's normal that you would try to be either accommodating or more dominating in order to get.. It's like whatever ah strategy you learned. And so if you're one of the accommodating Types. You're going to feel really nervous to say no to people and I can I can take a lot to get back into the rotation and like I said earlier the people who you draw those boundaries with suddenly are going to feel ah like whiplash. 42:14.92 mikebledsoe Yeah. 42:29.12 mikebledsoe Yeah, the um yeah, you're you're when you set a new boundary or you know, maybe it's a boundary that you've had internally that you've never communicated and then you say you know what I'm going to communicate this boundary right now and people. 42:29.30 Max Shank There's gonna be a shock. 42:48.33 mikebledsoe Are expecting you to behave a certain way and when you verbalize a boundary for the None time you break that expectation and when people expect something to happen and it doesn't happen. They get they get attached to whatever story that. They have you in and when you when you fuck that story up by setting a new boundary. They yeah is really interesting how they might respond I think that's one of those things where ah that I've learned through a lot of the personal development work I've done is. I I might come out of a workshop and go. Oh Yeah I I have not been I discovered this boundary I've had I haven't been communicating it and then now my homework is to go communicate it and the process of and it takes a lot of courage to do that because the process of of. The unknown like by doing that you're stepping into the unknown you have no idea how the other person is going to respond and it's going to cause that person some level of stress consciously or or subconsciously and that's to me the practice of surrender is really. Saying what's true for you and then just again, we go back to paying attention paying attention to what how people respond to that and then adjust from there but there's no way to predict how someone's gonna ah respond to a new boundary I say most of the time when I'm. When I have a worst case scenario in my head about how someone's gonna respond to me. It almost never comes True. It's like that. The anticipation of how this person might respond to this is way worse. 44:31.54 Max Shank Right. Well I've been holding back a lot. Actually I don't want to hurt your feelings you seem sensitive to me. Ah, all joking aside, um I agree with you completely. 44:43.47 mikebledsoe Ah I am very sensitive. Yeah. 44:55.10 Max Shank I think that when you are used to being accommodating and I'm not saying it's bad to be accommodating, but basically you fall into what I call a predictable strategy. It's just a predictable strategy or predictable plan. I learned that if I do this thing then I get this response and like you were saying we prefer that known pain or discomfort of not being true to ourselves to the unknown of holy fuck will will this person say that they hate me will they tell me to go fuck myself if i. Draw the boundary that I actually want to draw and there's even that that Mark Twain quote because I know you're big fan of Twain. He said that his tailor was the only reasonable man he ever met because he took my measurement new each time while everybody else. Measured me against who I was and I always thought that was a really nice None expectations not being met is kind of the root of all disappointment necessarily right? So people get mad when their expectations are not met. They get sad and their expectations are not. Matt but really, it's just an attachment to this future outcome and if you can get curious about the future to me. That's the best forward thinking mentality because it has a little bit of. Joy a little bit of excitement and it also kind of I think harmonizes the relationship with the unknown a little bit. It makes it a little more of a positive thing like when you say oh the storms can be unpredictable. You're like whoa. It's like a scary unknown almost. But. You're like I'm curious to see um, what the what the weather is like tomorrow. It feels very different. Yeah, so basically you're. 46:53.82 mikebledsoe Very different energy. 47:01.72 Max Shank By not drawing your boundary. You're admitting that you're attached to the response of the other person and and you think that is actually more valuable in your cost benefit analysis than saying what you really feel which would be drawing a boundary. 47:06.14 mikebledsoe Yeah. 47:17.71 mikebledsoe Saying No yeah I think I think um, ah yeah, big big part of the the pinch we're in in the world right? now is a lack of people I think sought out. 47:21.19 Max Shank Yeah, it's pretty big. It's big month. 47:37.55 mikebledsoe To be to to harmonize and to not rock the boat and so there's kind of like a death by a thousand cuts is like oh you know what? because values and boundaries go hand in hand this um that this value has been. You know I'm doing something or going along with something. It's not really in alignment with my values but it seems like the rest of the group want Yeah yeah, yeah. 48:02.98 Max Shank The greater good the greater good the greater good. It's same old story man the great the greater good. You can convince people of just about anything if it's for some sort of greater. Good. 48:18.58 mikebledsoe Um, how vague is the greater good like when people say the greater good. 48:24.13 Max Shank What's more vague. Nothing is more vague. The great or bad I mean like it's It's a ridiculous phrase. It's this. It's this totally. Um, unscientific assumption that if you concentrate the decision making. 48:30.22 mikebledsoe It's a ridiculous phrase. 48:41.76 Max Shank To this guy. It'll be overall better off and we still don't know demonetized here. We come de you monetized. We still don't know if our ah emergency break reaction to whatever the fuck has been going on the last couple of years actually is better than doing literally nothing other than saying hey if you ah if you want to stay home. You can we? We don't know which would have been better and I'm not saying that would have been better but historically speaking. Ah. Bureaucrats usually make things about None to None times worse with what they do than if they had just done nothing and let people figure it out through consensual exchange. 49:34.70 mikebledsoe No yeah, the the but I think the greater good thing is also interesting is I don't think most people see it as ah, giving control to a centralized group of people or individual. It's.. It's like um, it's when they say like they you know they say they're not even talking about an individual.. There's this.. There's this ominous so that's how I know that someone believes in God is when they they say things like the greater good like there's some. Magical being and my definition of God is different. But when I I run I Run I run into atheists all the time that believe in a in a being a magical being that knows what's the best for everybody and so. 50:12.34 Max Shank So so it's like a unifying idea for you. Ah. 50:27.56 Max Shank Um, does this magical being have a name. 50:28.79 mikebledsoe But they're not. They're not even um, well it's it's probably whoever their favorite anchor is on the news or the you know or the newspaper that's in the the blue package the blue. 50:38.59 Max Shank Here. 50:47.93 mikebledsoe Rapper the New York Times you know as long as the New York Times said it you know now. Yeah, so it's like late they actually they they actually don't have. There's no end of they're not. They're not in recognition that they're even giving power to an individual because there's this. 50:52.94 Max Shank I see Yeah so I God is like. 51:06.74 mikebledsoe There's this mass media machine that is is spitting out this narrative and so anything. That's not that isn't for the greater good like that's that's in service of the greater. Good. So The fact that I think it's it's ah it's an interesting little trap that people find themselves in is because they're. Saying it's for the greater. Good. They believe it's for the greater good but they don't actually they're not I don't think most of those people are in recognition that they're giving power to a centralized control of people who who may not actually be that informed or that Um, what's the word I'm looking for. 51:27.67 Max Shank Right. 51:45.43 mikebledsoe Altruistic You know they they they believe that the people are doing the best they can. They're like them. That's that's the most that that's the they're like me. It's a lack of it's ah it's an inability for things like empathy. So the people who feel as though they're the most empathetic. 51:45.60 Max Shank Um, right like them this they're like me. 52:03.49 mikebledsoe Are usually the least empathetic because their their empathy is the projection of themselves instead of recognizing that people are different. 52:08.20 Max Shank Well, it's elevation through depression like you have these victims and that elevates you you put yourself as the hero you have to put them as the victim. That's why I don't want to be anybody's savior. It's It's not a cool role. 52:22.92 mikebledsoe No. 52:25.11 Max Shank You know you don't want to be victims I don't want to be a hero just be a guy I think the way you're thinking of God a phrase struck me. It's intrinsic belief or intrinsic believability and that's kind of what God is. Like who who's your God is who you trust without really understanding. There's no reason to a lot of people worship money kind of like God or Worship. Um the state as a God Yeah yeah. 52:54.10 mikebledsoe It's probably the biggest God I know of yeah, well when I say the biggest I mean the majority of the population is it. Worships money anything. 53:02.46 Max Shank Way more people believe in money than believe in a Christian Catholic or whatever like any one of those. 53:09.00 mikebledsoe Yeah, anyone well any any Christian like 99% of christians believe more in money than they do they do in the Christian god. 53:17.72 Max Shank Oh snap smackdown. 53:22.32 mikebledsoe Do you spend more time thinking about money or do you spend more time thinking about God where whatever you wherever you spend wherever you spent your attention is what you worship and that is your god. 53:27.19 Max Shank Oh My God roasted I think you're probably right. Let he who is without Sin cast The None stone. 53:41.81 mikebledsoe He. 53:43.20 Max Shank Let he who is without sin cast the None stone. Oh you're you're calling out these non-believing christians for their lack of true faith right? they're they're pretending 53:47.12 mikebledsoe Was was that in reference to. 54:02.15 Max Shank They're pretending to love their religion but really they love money way more and they're not open and honest about that. 54:04.93 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, it's a it's a it's a something that makes people feel better about themselves. 54:11.44 Max Shank Oh yeah, I mean and I think ah in many cases I've seen religion be super constructive for some people. So yeah. 54:18.39 mikebledsoe I Think it's I think it's constructed for most people I think most people lack order in their lives. They they do want someone else to tell them what to do how to live their life. Most people have zero moral compass. Ah. 54:31.50 Max Shank Ah, but they don't do it at the barrel of a gun right? I Think that's what I like better about religion is it still giving you structure for the flow kind of what we were talking about before ah you need to have that structure for the flow. 54:37.10 mikebledsoe They're not. 54:48.14 mikebledsoe And what you're saying is it's voluntary. 54:50.62 Max Shank Um, yeah, it's consensual. It's consensual is awesome baby. Nothing's hotter than consent I think it's pretty cool. 54:58.63 mikebledsoe The the yeah yeah, what I what I think is funny. Is you got a bunch of ah I was in a conversation last night about ah blue states versus red states and getting in the conversation now. 55:12.25 Max Shank In like a fight. It would be no contest be over so quick. Can you imagine if we just reverted to like an all out battle every 4 years. Amazing. 55:17.51 mikebledsoe Um. 55:23.40 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, ah the yeah. 55:30.83 Max Shank Who we'd be more civil. The rest of the year too if we could just get it out. Not quite purge. Love not not purge like you know you get in the ring. You take a few punches with boxing gloves on. 55:34.76 mikebledsoe Like ah like ah one day a year like the purge. Yeah. 55:44.52 mikebledsoe Yeah, ah ah the reason I bring this up is like that the left and the right are interesting because like on the left. They really believe in consent when it comes to anything that's sexual in nature like there's but but when it comes to anything else. 55:58.12 Max Shank Ah, yeah. 56:04.56 mikebledsoe There's complete blindness to it and on the right? yeah and on the right they they want consent for certain things but completely disregard other things like people. 56:06.64 Max Shank Um, it's like a mental illness both ways like how could you believe it's so weird. 56:19.61 mikebledsoe I say this regularly like when people I'm talking to someone and they go what's wrong. Why do those people do this but then they do this. It doesn't add up and I go yeah most of what people are doing doesn't add up because they lack principles. They they. 56:32.44 Max Shank Well um, almost everybody's a hypocrite on some level by the way like let's not put even ourselves up on like that high of a pedestal right? like everybody's working with that. 56:36.20 mikebledsoe On some level. But percentage wise the amount of our life that we make decisions around are more principle based than the average person. The average person is going with Pop. Whatever's popular right? people go people want to be accepted by the group so they do what's popular. They don't. 56:51.78 Max Shank God I Hope So yeah, true, true True true. 57:00.59 mikebledsoe They're not running it through a filter of what are my values. What are my boundaries. What are my principle. What are the principles and by the way you don't get to choose the principles. The principles are are around us. Yeah, as I that's. 57:10.32 Max Shank My body my choice across the board. My body my choice across the board that is what you're talking about that's why that's that's the only example because the only question the only important question just to cut through all this bullshit is who decides that's it. 57:17.87 mikebledsoe A perfect example. 57:29.33 Max Shank Do I decide or does some other guy decide. That's the only question that matters politically ever is who decides anytime it starts to get confusing. Just ask the question who decides and the argument crumbles for people who want to I don't know Gatekeeper A lady's vagina. People want to add some experimental fucking injections into your skin ah with the shortest track record of any kind of thing like that ever I mean these are both signs of mental illness to believe 1 about 1 and another about the other. It's ah. It's really weird. It almost forces people who are hyper left or hyper right to be mentally Ill like you have to shut off your thinking brain to think those are like some but. 58:19.30 mikebledsoe Yeah there's um, you know we look at like Socrates and talking about what what makes someone human it was ah practicing having the practice of being in touch with reality being in greater contact with reality. And this and this inability inability to see ah the principle at play like just completely unable ah is is being out of touch with reality. 58:38.84 Max Shank Pretty pretty nebulous. 58:46.20 Max Shank A. 58:53.84 Max Shank I Like the dune experiment for figuring out if he's a human where they put his hand in the pain box and say if he takes it out. They'll cut his throat with a poisonous needle so he has to withstand tremendous pain. 58:56.13 mikebledsoe In which. 59:01.65 mikebledsoe Yeah. 59:11.60 Max Shank Thinking He's like sacrificing his burning hand in order to keep his life and I think that is kind of the secret to wealth and planning and any of that is can you see can you see the big picture. Can you see the forest for the trees and the trick is you can't see the forest. And the trees at the same time so you have to alternate you have to cycle you have to hone in like a laser on something and then you got to open up your awareness like a lantern and take in everything around you to make sure that you're still focusing your energy. In the right direction kind of like we talked about with structure versus flow structure as the pipe flow is water if you don't have ah that that rushing water channeled somehow. Well you're just moving along with the River and that's fine, but you're going to go in the same direction as the rest of the water. 01:00:03.70 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, and I the some my practice over time is I've had a easier time in my life being zoomed out than zoomed in and um I don't know if that's. 01:00:15.98 Max Shank Are. 01:00:21.86 mikebledsoe I would say that I could spend more time zoomed in I still spend more time zoomed in but I noticed that the amount of time I spent on considering when I think about expanding my awareness around something that lantern there's there's 2 ah dimensions to consider one is space and the other one is time. 01:00:23.57 Max Shank Indian. 01:00:41.80 mikebledsoe And so there's there's what's happening right now and there's what I want to happen in None ears There's also what's happening right now in the space that I'm in but what's happening in you know, Dc right now or just right down the street like how much. How much space can you consider and how much time can you consider when you're making your decisions when you're setting the vision. What how much can you consider? most people don't practice that expansion of time and space when setting the vision. 01:01:04.70 Max Shank How many variables go into your decision making equation right. 01:01:18.30 mikebledsoe Or making decisions. Um and because of that for anyone who is unable to do that. They're more easily to be controlled by someone who does do that. 01:01:29.19 Max Shank Absolutely Um I think the average person is constantly pushed and pulled by a variety of forces to do things that are as frictionless as possible and for them as Motionless as possible. And those are forces. Um from a software engineering standpoint from a psychological engineering standpoint and also from an evolutionary standpoint.. There's nothing better for a curious lazy Monkey mind who's trying to maximize efficiency to just sit around and Watch. An Endless stream of crazy shit. So if you don't draw that Boundary. You're never going to pick your head up and ah like I'm not trying to call anyone out or anything but you see some of these kids these days. Fucking kids I hate that phrase. What am I doing that for these kids these days I feel old saying that feel silly I don't feel old until I talk like that. But basically they're like looking straight down into the telephone and it's adults too. Don't get me wrong while they're walking. Maybe they walk. 01:02:26.28 mikebledsoe You're so old. 01:02:42.30 Max Shank Into traffic. Maybe they walk off a cliff something like that. But it's the perfect visual of someone who's so ah, locked in psychologically onto something that isn't even really good for them and when we talk about drawing boundaries for ourselves like I'm going to say no to crack today every day I'm like. I'm going to say no to crack and every day I have so far and it feels like a little like a little victory like I didn't do crack again and ah if I do crack though. It'll be bad. 01:03:02.63 mikebledsoe Yes. 01:03:10.84 mikebledsoe We also you also have like ah we have a record breaking ah amount of kids on things like Sslris on antidepressants and anti-angolytics things that things that dep. 01:03:21.60 Max Shank Yeah, those are good drugs Mike those are good drugs. They're just good for you. Everyone should be on those right? They're on the Tv isn't it like 75% of commercials pharmaceutical ones. 01:03:30.80 mikebledsoe You know what's interesting is think about this? Yeah, it's It's a lot. Ah every news. 01:03:39.84 Max Shank There's got to be something wrong with you. Are you watching the Tv there's something wrong. 01:03:42.48 mikebledsoe Um, well,, there's ah, there's a theory that ah one of the reasons that the government is so friendly to pharmaceutical companies is that when under the influence of these these drugs that. People become docile way more easy to control like like please pass the xanax out please pass What I don't know these drugs are called anymore. 01:04:01.33 Max Shank Holy yeah, totally totally. 01:04:09.90 Max Shank If I was going to get a bus full of people on a field trip and I had the choice between giving them heroin or crack at the beginning I would clearly choose heroin every time they would be mostly still. 01:04:20.86 mikebledsoe Exactly. 01:04:25.87 Max Shank Could be like hey we're going over to this bench over here way easier to control that that doesn't surprise me one bit. 01:04:31.26 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, so yeah I've heard discussions of you know? ah the food supply being fucked up in certain ways intentionally as well to reduce the amount of testosterone that men have because. 01:04:46.70 Max Shank When people get afraid also like a ah scared stoned guy. He'll do anything. He'll do anything you want that guy is scared and stoned. 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00:00.00 mikebledsoe Welcome to Monday morning with Mike and max and today we're going to be talking about freedom because you know what it is the fourth of July and we are americans and so of course not only are we totally into the conversation today but we're into it. All the time max and I are both lovers of freedom and in our own ways which is kind of like how freedom works you get to do it your way. So thanks for joining me Dave Max so you are begin this topic with you since I think you and I are both. We've spent a lot of time focusing on this topic. 00:41.30 Max Shank Well thanks for having me once again, it is certainly my favorite topic. It's also what I would like to impart or share with people. Basically when I think about what I would like to share with folks I would like to help them become more free because I don't. 00:54.71 mikebledsoe Hang on. Yeah. 01:00.59 Max Shank I don't I don't I don't want to be your Mama I don't want to be responsible for you and that's the beauty of freedom is there's you are responsible for yourself and this other person is responsible for themself and there's interdependence that comes through agreements. 01:03.23 mikebledsoe I am. 01:19.29 Max Shank Volitional choices and I think that's amazing. That's what allowed us to get everything going. That's what allowed us to do so well basically hands writing and cooperation. Otherwise we would still just be you know lion food pretty much. 01:30.17 mikebledsoe I. 01:37.50 Max Shank You know I'm saying Ah so I I think I would like everyone listening to this to become more free and I think a good way to understand it would be the different types of freedom and then also what's the opposite of freedom and who are the key players and how this all worked. 01:37.97 mikebledsoe Definitely. 01:56.30 mikebledsoe Yeah, um. 01:57.16 Max Shank So if you don't mind I'd I'd love to kick things off. 02:00.43 mikebledsoe Kick things off when you got more to say right now is that what you're saying oh well None I want to mention if you want access to the pre-show you have to go to go over to the bloodso show dot com we'll have a link over there to. 02:03.16 Max Shank Yeah I mean ah yeah I Just I don't want to drone on and on too much. But I think about it like free freedom is a new go for it. 02:20.10 mikebledsoe Sign up. Ah, we're taking it's a donation based thing I hate word donation. It's value for value pay what you want if you find what be what you want look pay what you want to be in there. Whatever you however, much value you find from this show just you know. 02:24.56 Max Shank Um, pay what you want I like that phrase. That's that's a better 1 pay what you want. 02:37.52 Max Shank Well, they can't pay that much. This show is invaluable so pay the intersection of what you value the show and what you can afford. 02:39.37 mikebledsoe Make it make you know pay as much as you possibly can is. 02:50.61 mikebledsoe Ah, yeah, so that keeps us ah, trucking along. And yeah, if you go up there if if you're listening on the day that we post this that link is not going to quite be up yet. But if you're listening in a few days from now I should have that up in the next week so 02:57.20 Max Shank It will have. 03:08.77 mikebledsoe We're Goingnna give some exclusive content there posting some short videos of our pre-show which sometimes I think what's happening in the preshow is more valuable than what's happening here. There's a little more put together. But you miss all the ramblings. That ah happened and in fact, if you go listen to today's pre-show you get to hear max's poem that he wrote this morning. Yeah yeah, so he shared a poem to kick that off. So I just want to mention that first. Ah so I appreciate everyone who's I've had. 03:30.89 Max Shank Oh that's right. 03:44.95 mikebledsoe I've had ah people already reach out in the Dms asking me how the hell do I donate someone asked for venmo accounts I was like hold on I was like hold off we're gonna set something up I want to do this proper from the very beginning. So um, they do like us. 03:47.58 Max Shank Um, oh Wow cool. 03:57.65 Max Shank They like us. They really like us. Thanks everybody. That's so nice I feel validation that I I used to only feel from the affection of a woman I'm sure no other guys out there ah tried to get all their validation from the affection of women right? That's a mistake. 04:02.88 mikebledsoe Yeah. 04:14.70 mikebledsoe Yeah I've never done that I've never done that. Yeah yeah. 04:17.39 Max Shank I mean I think that's only a mistake I've made I don't think anybody else talk about a type of slavery right? you you are your sense of self is ah enslaved by the whims and affection of women that's brutal. 04:31.70 mikebledsoe Yeah, which I mean women are pretty much the whole reason we do anything at the end of the day. So yeah, and you know what if I'm a slave to that then fuck it I'm I'm down. 04:37.70 Max Shank Yo Absolutely for sex and food. 04:46.22 Max Shank Um, yeah, they're they, they they look and feel nice. Don't they totally worth. Ah, ah. 04:50.78 mikebledsoe Totally worth it. Totally worth it. Well um, we we had a little conversation during the pre-show that really lights me up which is ah max brought up the word. No. Which I think is at the center of the freedom conversation and there is the internal experience of saying no and that is ah being willing to disappoint others or not meet the expectations of others when someone asks you to do something or be somewhere. 05:25.62 Max Shank The. 05:27.57 mikebledsoe You say? No I don't want to um and then there's um, and then there's the the lack of violence when you tell somebody? No,. There's the the external experience of freedom which is. The ability to say no and people actually honor that. Yeah. 05:48.43 Max Shank Well, it's drawing a line in the sand right? I'm I'm pretty sure the origin of drawing a line in the sand was basically if you cross this I will fuck you up and that's that's really if we have ah differences. That's how we resolve them. We can do it like you and I are doing right now we can talk it out say no and if that knows not respected The only thing left is physical violence which force is the language of cells and the language of life and ah. Even inorganic stuff like rocks I mean force is really what what moves things along which sounds like a funny phrase. But if you draw solid boundaries. You also won't become resentful. That's a big part of it and the biggest part I think. And it's a really hard concept to understand and I bring it up all the time which is opportunity cost if you neglect to say no when it matters then you will prevent yourself from saying yes to things so the cost of not drawing boundaries. Is that you don't get to use that energy for the things that you really want to say yes to so freedom and focus are both related to the word. No and this is true with your health. It's true with your finances. It's true with friendships. It's. Really really important. Um, so that's a big part of it I would also like to today just thank everybody involved for the freedom experiment that you and I are now enjoying in America I think a lot of us. Ah, it's very easy to forget that this is a pretty new concept in terms of how nations are organized. This is a big big group of people united around the concept of freedom. Probably the biggest None ever actually and. Certainly deteriorated a little bit but before that the only type of freedom there was was probably like nomad nomadic tribes and stuff like that. But you're still going to have some sort of a hierarchy. So this idea that everyone is free to do what they like. The pursuit of happiness is a type of magic really and that code and all those people involved set in motion a series of events that allowed for the greatest possible comparative advantage and specialization. 08:37.41 Max Shank If You are super ambitious about baking muffins and that is all that you want to do you can do that and no one can tell you to do anything otherwise and the cumulative effect of everybody being free to choose out of love what they most want to do. Led to the highest advancement Possible. You're always going to get a much higher passion and performance if the reason or the mission is derived from a place of of love right? so. 09:09.79 mikebledsoe Yeah, wells gone. 09:13.44 Max Shank It it wasn't just the people who thank you? It wasn't just the people who wrote the declaration of independence it was a lot of people before that also a lot of it was actually just because of the book common sense by Thomas Paine ah from what I've read and understand. A lot of the guys who signed the declaration of independence just earlier that year were basically thinking. Yeah, we should get back with England we should. We should get back with them and then common sense came out and it's it's worth a read. It's still good. It was the most widely read book ever at the time it it sold more copies than the literacy rate it was outrageous how popular this book was and so it just goes to show the power of an idea. 09:57.40 mikebledsoe Oh. 10:05.58 Max Shank Ah, so I I thank Thomas Paine I think the people who who risked a lot I mean there was a lot of bloodshed There was a lot of risks being taken and it's like freedom is basically never given right. It's only taken. And so I I guess I really because I don't have a frame I've ever been to war I've done none of fighting like in a ring with the rare scuffle outside in the world but man I have a really deep appreciation for. All of the people involved and it's still right now there are a lot of people involved with preserving this idea that we are free to do as we please and everyone else is free to do as they please because that's that's not how it went right? right? before this experiment. That's not how it went and I think. 10:56.43 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 11:02.51 Max Shank A lot of what happened there was a catalyst for the industry and technology that give us different types of freedom I mean you are free from doing your laundry by hand if you have a. 11:21.48 mikebledsoe But well tech What ah tech comes um I mean I've seen instances where the tech is what preceded the freedom. So for one we can agree on that. 11:21.48 Max Shank A washing machine and a dryer. It's incredible. So all that tech was because of the freedom I believe. 11:34.39 Max Shank Freedom Freedom is a technology. Also I think we can agree. 11:40.81 mikebledsoe Yeah but ah so there's 2 things that really led to ah the the declaration of independence and following that the constitution and ah, what the 2 things that I see that led to that one was the enlightenment period. And that's where guys like John Locke and some other philosophers really laid the groundwork. Um for there was a lot of things happening in Europe and there was these ideas this idea of equal rights was emerging ah in Europe. And it was causing a lot of friction and that's None reason a lot of people came to America was like you know what? I don't want to deal with all this stuff in Europe let's get out of here. Yeah, it's three or four weeks on a boat we might die but fuck it. Let's go and so ah, very bold but the. 12:32.97 Max Shank Bold very bold. 12:37.88 mikebledsoe There were these ideas from the enlightenment period that that took hold and the idea of equal rights is that no one person is more has more rights than somebody else which in the end means that I have no right to tell you how to live your life as long as you're not impeding on my. 12:47.32 Max Shank Oh. 12:57.50 Max Shank Right. 12:57.22 mikebledsoe Right? to do what I want so the idea of negative rights comes into play which never exists before. So if you go to Europe now the it the way the their minds work and a lot of americans it works like this too because the the european mindset is you know. I think you and I as long as we've been alive. It seems like a lot of americans think that europe has it more figured out than we do which is kind of weird. Um, yeah, and so. 13:23.16 Max Shank The grass is greener on the other side. Um, but they don't consider the fact that you pay like a 20% value added tax on like basically everything you know so we have like fractional servitude with these taxations and it's just different place to place right. 13:31.92 mikebledsoe Everything every step of the Way. Ah. Yeah, so the um, ah so the idea of negative rights comes into play and that is ah everybody had the the negative right is I don't have the right to do anything to cause you to do you know. 13:42.27 Max Shank Yeah. 13:57.99 mikebledsoe To stop doing anything you want to do as long as we're not harming each other is basically at the end of the day. That's how negative rights work and this was not a concept that existed prior to about None it was new up into that point everyone believed that the king. 13:59.72 Max Shank And a. 14:17.80 mikebledsoe Or the pope or somebody had been granted this authority from god and this is why Ah, this is why so many almost every country has this official religion that's affiliated with and America was the first one that came along. It was like you know what we're not going to do this whole religious thing. Because we're not going to try to tie up the idea of authority with the government and so um and so this whole thing of negative rights comes along and there was if you read the federalist papers and this is a thing that most americans I think really miss out on is they don't. Get the context of the constitution. They don't have the context for the declaration of independence both are are very important I took constitutional law 1 year and the the none month we spent studying the declaration of independence and I was like what is like they told us at the very beginning. 15:11.48 Max Shank The. 15:16.62 mikebledsoe We're stuck in declaration of independence first because this actually laid the groundwork for the constitution. So first a lot. Yeah, a lot of people are only looking at the constitution with 0 context. So then so you have the context of the declaration of independence so you need to have that context first. 15:22.91 Max Shank It's like the sperm and the egg. 15:35.58 mikebledsoe Most people don't have that and which you know today is the day that you know the the declaration of independence was was made a thing and then um, which was primarily written by Thomas Jefferson I believe and i. 15:42.17 Max Shank Right. As I understand it. Yeah. We don't know for sure of of course. Well you said something big too which is content without context I Think that's one of the biggest traps that people can fall into like it's It's fine to. 15:53.88 mikebledsoe No, there were no cameras. It's not an Instagram it's not on Facebook who knows. 16:10.67 Max Shank Believe you whatever you want to believe but I'm pretty shocked Still you'd think I'd be desensitized to it by now by the by the strength of opinions held based on Absolutely no context whatsoever. It's it's just ah, it's basically just ah, a bird sound. 16:23.36 mikebledsoe Right. 16:29.15 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 16:30.60 Max Shank That is repeated like they hear this combination of sounds and then that comes back out again and it's impossible to take into account all of the variables. But ah, it really is if you want to understand something.. It's so important to have context for. What that is and when that might actually be correct. 16:49.83 mikebledsoe Yeah, so so the context of something like the constitution is really um, a big topic right now because the supreme court whose primary job is to find out if a law is constitutional or not. That's that's about it. 17:05.89 Max Shank Right. 17:09.18 mikebledsoe They don't create laws. They just they make rulings on whether this law is something that could be upheld or not so. 17:15.39 Max Shank And let's get clear real quick. What's the point of having a state and laws in the None place. It's just to protect property rights that's it. It's that part hasn't changed that is that's the core purpose. 17:29.84 mikebledsoe That was but but the. 17:34.56 Max Shank Same with pirates and gangs. It's like basically the guys are like hey we'll offer you protection in exchange for a little bit of your stuff. So It's really like no different than that and when you were talking About. Um. The interplay of negative rights. It. It made me think like okay, well yeah, that's that's the rule is that according to the law. You can't infringe on somebody else's property which is their self and their stuff. 18:09.51 mikebledsoe Include your body. Yeah. 18:12.94 Max Shank Yeah yourself and your stuff and but here's the thing like natural law is anyone can do anything. They want any time. So this whole idea of law is really just about consequences if they catch you and that sounds like a little funny but but that's really that's really all it is. If if they catch you. There are consequences if they don't There are basically no consequences So natural law is anyone or or everyone always does what they want and they can they can kill you they can punch you they can say mean things to you. They can steal your stuff. Doesn't matter the whole reason we would put faith in a higher power is if we believed that they would improve our property rights and decrease friction and decrease assault on our persons and so you have to look at the cost Benefit. Of What you're giving up versus what you're getting and I think it's really, um, certainly has split the crowd because a lot of people would agree that for what we ah give or for what we have taken. The ah return on that investment is very bad and not transparent either. 19:29.55 mikebledsoe Yeah, very bad and and that was actually and that was that was definitely not transparent and that was one of the reasons that you know the the revolutionary war was fought was he's not doing shit for us. He just and just taxing us. 19:41.72 Max Shank Why should we pay the King he's not doing shit for us over here. He's an ocean away fuck that guy. Yeah, right totally imagine. Yeah. 19:49.55 mikebledsoe No protection, not providing enough for what he's taking and so that was one of the things that that motivated them. Um, but so I like to bring up the idea of negative rights because there's no such thing as rights outside of negative rights. There's. Anything. That's not a negative right? is what I would call a wrong and so self logic man I'm I'm sorry so I'm really twisting you up here. The thing is is when I talk to people about this sometimes they do. 20:12.65 Max Shank This is tough logic to follow. Honestly, you got to write it down. 20:21.61 Max Shank Um, the opposite of a negative right is a wrong. 20:30.83 mikebledsoe That's right. 20:31.36 Max Shank I'm pretty I'm pretty sure a negative right is a wrong. But anyway that mathematically. 20:35.16 mikebledsoe No Ah negative. Well the the the reason well negative rights are rights and you have to the reason we have to use the language negative rights when we used to only have to use the word rights is because a lot of politicians have twisted up what rights mean. So people are confused that yeah that they've confused privileges with rights and you have the right to a really easy one to break down is medical Care. You have ah the right to medical care. It's like that's actually not. 20:53.73 Max Shank Oh privileges. 21:12.40 mikebledsoe True now because you have to take it from somebody else. So if if some authority figure comes along and says you have the right to medical care and then there's you walk into the doctor and the doctor says look I really. 21:12.73 Max Shank I see now because you have to take it from somebody. Yeah. 21:31.76 mikebledsoe I Can't afford to serve you right now for whatever reason the doctor doesn't want to do it and then an authority figure comes and says no doctor. This person has medical rights. You have to perform whatever it is on them that doctor that doctor has now become a slave. He's has to. 21:43.78 Max Shank Right? Which is coercion word. 21:51.90 mikebledsoe He has to conduct labor against his will and when I bring this up a lot of times people get really upset with me when I bring up that example because they're like but it would be wrong for the doctor to turn him down like look from an ethical standpoint when a doctor makes his his or her. Ah. Statement of what the hippocratic oath or whatever it is and they make the statement that they're going to. You know, help people who are in need and not turn anyone away. That's that's an ethical thing. 22:18.24 Max Shank Right? That's worth going to look at by the way the hippocratic oath you can look it up is really cool. It's like a really awesome little bit of Linguistic magic. So. 22:29.22 mikebledsoe Yeah, So so what? I'm what I'm getting at is like this whole this whole that you have rights to somebody else's labor cause at the end of the and and the medical thing is really touchy because people people do feel like everyone should have access to this like emotionally, it's like. Oh yeah, everyone should have access to this but the thing is is not everyone has access to this. 22:52.19 Max Shank It's just the image. It's just the image of it that sways people with rhetoric right? it like hospital rooms are scary death is scary. We don't want to face it so we have a scary enough image and then people are like you know what we should ah like steal from the neighbor. 23:02.60 mikebledsoe Yeah. 23:09.48 mikebledsoe Right. 23:10.90 Max Shank For the greater good right? And here's how you cut straight to the core of any issue like this and you know I'm gonna let the I'm gonna let it fly today because fuck it here's the deal every day in the media. There's some new bullshit that is trying to ensnare you. 23:18.57 mikebledsoe Ah, perfect. 23:28.64 Max Shank And enslave your attention and that's already a fucking bad bad thing right? here's the deal though if you want to cut straight to the heart of any issue you ask None question who decides that's it doesn't every everything else take it off the table. Who decides and then you'll figure out what the deal is going on. You just ask who decides and then eventually you go oh so that other guy decides for me. Yeah, no thanks and me saying no, that's that's freedom. But if you want to cut to the heart of. The important issues. What's really important. Ah I don't know if ah if it's important like ah there are so many things that are made to believe to be important. It's make-believe we make believe that these things are important. But the None thing that is important is who decides that's all cut through the bullshit. That's what freedom is is who decides if I can say yes if I can say no, that's freedom if I cannot It's some form of slavery fractional or otherwise simple as that. 24:38.10 mikebledsoe Yeah, totally agree I mean I think we're what ah probably around I'm like a 33% slave I think you're probably closer like a 48% slave because you're in California. 24:51.48 Max Shank Fucking rubbing it in look at him do that to me Jesus Christ wow good god I'll tell you what though I'll tell you I'll tell you. 24:56.30 mikebledsoe Um, just come to Texas already. Um, um, um, not only am my older but I'm less of a slave than you. Um. 25:07.95 Max Shank Oh you're way more of a timela than I am folks for those listening and don't know I have way more ah agency and autonomy over my schedule than Mike here does. But you know you're going to talk about California. Let's talk about it. Imagine. 25:12.83 mikebledsoe If. 25:26.80 Max Shank Being one of those guys who owns a business in California they shut you down and then they don't protect your shop while it gets looted what the fuck are you doing the whole purpose that you're there is like whoa so they they steal none your shit. They don't come to your aid when you need it and they stop you from doing business. It's like the antithesis of freedom. So oh my god look we could talk about this all day but let's let's get back to something practical. 25:55.21 mikebledsoe Um, a. 25:56.47 Max Shank Otherwise I'm just gonna sound like an angry old man I'm only 34 fucking years old for Christ's sakes 26:02.35 mikebledsoe Ah, all right? So ah, we'll get back to some ah something' a little more philosophical that'll help calm me down. So Ah anyways I bring up the the medical freedom because there's a lot of thing or medical rights Because. You got to watch out I want I want people to be aware so when they do come across these conversations when if they do get exposed to something a politician says and they say you have the right to this think about do they have to take something from somebody else to give it to you and if that is the case then it's not a right. 26:18.49 Max Shank And. 26:37.69 mikebledsoe Because you're you were in the end enslaving the other person. So yeah, another one that's popular in California is and I've had this experience because my my ah my fiancee Ashley she. 26:40.44 Max Shank Yeah, you're just getting the loot from their fucking plunder. 26:56.10 mikebledsoe Sold She had tenants in a building and she sold the building and she inherited the building from her grandmother and so she inherits like this commercial building. It's It's like mixed use commercial and residential and these she's like you know. Well if the tenants she's having to like she's learning about all this stuff in real time and going. Okay, the tenants don't make rent because sometimes they're late. She's like it's like can I kick them out because she's also trying to sell the building and if you have tenants not paying Rent. You're trying to sell a building then it's a fucking problem right? so. 27:26.81 Max Shank Totally yeah. 27:31.92 mikebledsoe She goes and talks to the lawyer to find out if she can kick the tenants out and they have to be so many months behind on rent then not only do you not get ah ah, get your money for what you own because that's her property she has to pay the tenants to leave. 27:49.62 Max Shank Oh yeah, oh yeah, right right. 27:51.31 mikebledsoe She has to pay them. It's like the opposite of ah property rights. it's it's crazy so um there's just another I wanted to bring up a None law. We'll we'll call it a statutory law that means it's ah it's an opinion of a group people not actual law that have been put in place. 28:06.72 Max Shank Well, there are so many things like that right? and it's all for the illusion. It's all for the illusion of the greater good. This is the only way you can understand how these things happen you have to imagine 3 neighbors and they all get to vote. 28:10.64 mikebledsoe That Ah, there's so many. 28:25.90 Max Shank And if None neighbors vote to Rob the none then majority rules and that's basically the problem is if enough people you know None people vote to Rob the none that's majority rule. It's also called mob rule. In ah in a different term but it's the same thing so you can yeah but that's what I'm that's exactly what I'm saying a democracy is not a good thing and people don't understand that because if you have the majority vote to Rob the minority I don't think that's like a constructive solution and it builds resentment in the. 28:46.80 mikebledsoe It's also called Democracy It's a pure democracy. Yeah. 29:03.84 Max Shank The group it doesn't allow I mean they're look. We could go off on that tangent for too long, but. 29:06.46 mikebledsoe Well well here's the thing is I think it's worth mentioning I'm glad you brought up democracy because the United States is not a democracy. It's a republic and the reason that it was not a democracy is because the founding fathers fathers were smart enough. The first republic I want to say was Greece. 29:13.54 Max Shank Republic. 29:26.29 mikebledsoe Um, and took a lot of the concepts from Greece in order to create what we have a lot of the same stuff but the idea is you got a lot of people who want to get rid of something ah like the electoral college They think the electoral college is robbing people of their votes and this and that. 29:29.22 Max Shank Um, lot of the same stuff lot of the same stuff big time. 29:43.31 Max Shank And those people live on the coasts and want to make decisions for everybody else I get it like of of course like you know you don't hate the player don't hate the player don't hate the game either. That's just like the the thing we're in like we could have just as easily been born in a feudal system. 29:45.35 mikebledsoe But yeah, yeah, if you're part of the majority. 30:00.43 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 30:01.33 Max Shank Of some kind where we had to like pay to a lord and he could fuck our wife on wedding night and all kinds of shit like that. So like look you got to you got to compare Apple's apples everything's relative but ah things are overall like awesome, but it's largely due to technology. 30:10.94 mikebledsoe Yeah, thank you. 30:20.20 Max Shank And our ability to trade easily and in fact, so you could say ah trade and technology are kind of the the work of the private sector and it's kind of like um, the public sector tries to fuck everything up. Maybe with good intentions by the way I don't know like that Handlin's razor idea of don't attribute to malice what you could attribute to ah incompetence sometimes yes sometimes no probably more people are stupid than evil and no one thinks they're the evil one. They always think the ends justify the means. Um, that's why that's why I'm not surprised when stuff like this happens because if you get a very powerful ambitious person. They can spin a story in their own mind and if they believe that they can improve. The life of 90% by murdering 10 probably they would do that and I and I could understand that it doesn't make it right? but I can totally understand and that's why it's never a good long-term choice to consolidate power into one area. Because you'll get more speed faster decision making so if you have ah an authoritarian or a dictatorship or some sort of ah collectivism where it's like None or None people in charge. You have a single point of failure which is a problem. So if you have an insane guy can like kill. Ah, 0 people with a famine just by accident right? Just by being a fucking retard. Ah like that's killed way more people than religion is just people who think they're smart getting in charge and thinking that they can make all the decisions that. We should all be individually making on our own that's the that's the value that's one of the major values of freedom is that it's like ah a shock absorber that can work in real time you know, supply and demand cost and benefit are made on an individual basis which is relative to. The individual values and it can adjust things much more quickly. You know if the if the Ceo of Target came out tomorrow and said I don't want any like jews blacks or anyone shopping at Target everyone be like holy god damn we don't like that and we would all go to Walmart. Out of our own free choice probably and and that's why it comes back to who decides. So if it's None guy at the top you can get things done a lot faster. You can boom declare war one None word kill that fucker and there's no. 32:48.40 mikebledsoe Yeah. 33:05.52 Max Shank There's no ah diversification of that decision making so you can get things done way faster hey ah clone those people over there and they're like yes, ah yes, dictator man I will I will clone those people over there hey kill those people and and you will so you can get things done way faster. 33:06.54 mikebledsoe Yeah, um. 33:24.48 Max Shank Which can be an advantage in the short term. But ah, you know now you're at the mercy of 1 guy and that's pretty scary stuff. So diversification is a big part of freedom. 33:30.40 mikebledsoe Yeah I don't get back to yeah I agree and I mean that's one of the I say the byproducts of freedom that that actually is in service of the whole over time. Um, so I me go back to. 33:46.91 Max Shank It's also profitable transactions. So if every transaction is done Volitiony then there's always ah, an energetic surplus like I trade you voluntary choice. Yeah volition means voluntary choice. But. 33:52.83 mikebledsoe He say he's volition. He means voluntary so be using such big words. Yeah, ah so ah. 34:04.35 Max Shank Dude, let me use my word a day calendar. Okay I bought the thing. 34:07.33 mikebledsoe So They ah it it being a Republic I mentioned the electoral college but congress the senate the Supreme court. All these things are set up to have checks and balances and everything is based off of the.. Basically the declaration of Independence in the constitution are these these base ah basis of all the laws that are written and most of them are not constitutional that are floating around these days but the whole point was to ah they realized that the average person. Needed to feel like they were involved in some way but they they do not. They shouldn't have like ah I guess an equal voice in how things should ah like be controlled by others because not everyone can see. View and there's there's That's why there's representatives and not everything's just yeah, it's a specialization. 35:00.19 Max Shank Um, it's specialization right? like an Electrician is good with electrical electrical work. A politician is supposed to be good with political work. Of course there are a lot of problems with that. But that's the idea. 35:10.90 mikebledsoe Yeah, and so that's why in my opinion up until this point a republic is the greatest form of government that's going to give somebody the greatest amount of freedom now. Ah you know. Is there something better probably with the with the way technology is moving with the decentralization of governance so things like the decentralized autonomous organizations daws. There are going to be things that we're going to be able to do with decentralized governance. And with Ai that is going to actually be able to make decisions that and ai is going to be able to croc information that no one human being can consider and so with the advancement technology. What I believe is we're going to be stepping into. A greater amount of freedom. Um, and there's also dangers that come with that of course. Ah and so going back. So I just want to make that statement about it being a republic not a democracy so on the news when they go oh this is a danger to our democracy which happens all the fucking time. Ah. Like sometimes youre like some I've had people tell me that I'm like well it's good thing. We're not a democracy and they they're like ah we're this one guy this german guy he yeah that this german guy he was like ah he was arguing with me on Facebook about something some guy went to burning man with. 36:30.79 Max Shank Um, yeah, well there's semantic precision for you right? People don't even know what the word means. 36:45.25 Max Shank Ah, yeah. 36:47.40 mikebledsoe I mean this is years ago and he's like he's like something about democracy this and democracy. Yeah I was like well None off, you need to know that you're living in a country that's not a democracy. We're a republic and he's like what's that have to do with anything um like like you know, ah. 37:00.21 Max Shank Ah. 37:05.75 mikebledsoe The entire basis of your point is is being built around the idea of democracy That's that that doesn't actually exist here. So um. 37:16.43 Max Shank Basically the Republic that was set up with Independence was to try to put as much shit in the way as possible from the government doing anything and and that's and that's the correct choice by the way it's. 37:26.17 mikebledsoe Yeah, if you and the and the constitution was the constitution when you read it was it doesn't grant any rights to anybody it limits the government from impeding upon the rights that every individual has. 37:31.86 Max Shank It's way more stable. 37:40.40 Max Shank Exactly and isn't it Yeah isn't it funny too. We even havent I think it's the ninth one that says ah there are also more rights that we didn't write down. 37:46.15 mikebledsoe And so yeah. 37:58.54 Max Shank Basically, there's there's one like that. It's like you know, free speech and firearms. And honestly, if you have those 2 eventually it'll rebalance. It'll be a little turbulent but the whole like you know troops in peace time and not ah incriminating yourself and all these things that ah go on up. Ah, to that one where it's like Also we this this list is not Complete. We have even more than we wrote down. 38:23.89 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, hopefully you get the idea and then people didn't but but the thing is yeah um. 38:31.69 Max Shank It's because they traded freedom for security and there's a quote about that people who trade freedom None security will lose both and deserve neither I think that might have been Jefferson I think it might have been Jefferson but maybe ah. 38:41.00 mikebledsoe So Benjamin Franklin I think I put money on franklin yeah, but I mean nonetheless. Um, yeah, that that is what's happened so the other thing I want to hit on which what we were talking about the technology leading to freedom or freedom leading to technology I think. 38:48.40 Max Shank Maybe it was Franklin I don't okay, yeah yeah. 39:06.12 mikebledsoe I think the desire to be free is what does drive a lot of technology but an example so what created so I'm going to go back to the 2 things that created the situation in 76 when the founding fathers go you know what fuck you? we're doing our own thing. Is they had 2 things they had the enlightenment period so they had the philosophy which was the the development of consciousness to the degree in which they they recognized equal rights amongst every human being That's why it was written was it executed that way. Absolutely not. But guess what? we fast forward to today. It's been corrected. Tremendously. Um I think that if anyone were to argue that it's not as good now as it was two hundred years ago they'd be an idiot um and then well I would say as far as. 39:55.52 Max Shank A lot of things are better and some things are worse. But I think Net net is better. 40:01.58 mikebledsoe Say as far as like equal rights like there's not we don't have discrimination. Ah you know discriminatory laws based yeah well you know? yeah you know people of color and women being able to vote and all these types of things. 40:06.17 Max Shank Oh that's a funny one. It's like the bros before hose amendments. You know that one. 40:18.22 Max Shank Well isn't it funny though that we gave recently ah freed slave black men the right to vote long before women like I think that's a funny thing and I I feel that too I mean right now there's a lot of tension. Ah between men and women. 40:19.82 mikebledsoe Um. 40:27.26 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 40:37.49 Max Shank Mostly manufactured. But I think there's a lot more commonality between men of different races than a man and a woman of the same race I don't I don't I don't really think ah I don't think that's it's really more about upbringing but Gosh ah being a man or a woman is like a really. 40:45.51 mikebledsoe I agree. 40:56.77 Max Shank Different thing but having a different but having a different skin color in and of itself is not really a different thing and the only reason I believe that is because I'm not a racist and I cannot be a racist and think that generally black people Run faster. 40:57.76 mikebledsoe It's a very different experience. 41:02.47 mikebledsoe Not in. Um, what. 41:16.84 Max Shank Asians are better at musical instruments and math and they become doctors more regularly I mean can't we all agree that this shit happens and not be racist at the same time seems so easy to me. 41:26.44 mikebledsoe Yeah, easy to you but not to people who were had their amygdala hijacked by the media. But ah, so so the 2 things the enlightenment period that gave rise to the philosophy and the way of thinking of equal rights. 41:33.10 Max Shank Oh. 41:45.59 mikebledsoe And the None thing that made the revolution possible was the decentralization of violence through the invention of the rifle and so hour to the people and so before the rifle came along. 41:53.85 Max Shank Power to the people. 42:02.64 mikebledsoe The amount of training and the cost of Weaponry and armor was too high for the average person to have the rifle comes along you require less training to kill somebody right? You don't need that much training to use a rifle fairly effectively like you can become deadly. 42:09.31 Max Shank Um, ha ha. 42:22.29 mikebledsoe You know in an afternoon of practice and exactly and so and. 42:24.70 Max Shank And totally fuck up some guy who's done martial arts for 40 years with a sword that that changed my whole outlook on martial arts training I remember when I had that realization I was like I got to stop this I got to go start learn how to use a gun I'm not going to let some fucking. Hundred and ten pound asshole shoot me dead after training martial arts for 20 years that's ridiculous so it's it's the great equalizer right. 42:43.83 mikebledsoe No, no, it is a great equalizer I think Smith and Wesson there's a quote from Smith and Wesson from the gun company has said men and women were created equal and. Smith and Wesson keeps it that way or something like that. Yeah yeah, it's like empowering women to carry a gun. You know like oh you, you don't want to have to rely on men for your safety. Well here's here's ah the great equalizer as you say so yeah, the the rifle would pierce the armor that was. 43:03.47 Max Shank Oh That's pretty fun. Right. 43:16.54 Max Shank Down. 43:21.92 mikebledsoe Previously made to deflect swords and and arrows but a bullet you know, traveling at a thousand feet per second you know it it makes it through and so it really changed how warfare was ah conducted and actually what was that Mel Gibson movie with ah. 43:25.13 Max Shank Ah. 43:41.73 mikebledsoe No no the patriot I just saw a clip of it on Instagram and in that movie one of the things that that happened is they ah in a revolutionary war is when guerrilla warfare really started up until that point it was like. 43:41.77 Max Shank Braveheart no the patriot. Yeah. 44:00.50 mikebledsoe I've got my army and we're going to just March up to your army because that's what worked when they had like swords and and arrows and all this shit but like warfare actually didn't ah didn't really ah evolve. 44:03.98 Max Shank Honorable. 44:13.12 Max Shank In many parts of the world in sophisticated warfare. It was like we're going to March in a line at each other and what's funny is in bravehe heartt another Mel Gibson movie it's also all about freedom like he gets disembowlled and he like yells freedom and. 44:18.95 mikebledsoe Um, yeah. 44:26.31 mikebledsoe Yeah. 44:29.89 Max Shank They're like doing sneaky shit and coming around the flank and all that stuff. So it's kind of funny how ah those movies really parallel each other under the same banner of free of freedom. 44:37.58 mikebledsoe Oh for sure for sure. So ah, yeah, just thinking about that and like the scene I saw on Instagram ah, you know I follow ah an Instagram account called zulu fucks. So ah, you know it's a military you know some veterans put that shit together. Some sick fucks and who I enjoy and the ah you know they they have the scene where you know he's killing them with you know, rifles and hatchets and you know that was that was the weapon of his of choice right? He had the the hatchet he could throw and and all that um. 44:58.62 Max Shank Yeah. 45:10.68 Max Shank Right? It's like John wick. It's like murder porn right? for dudes John Wick 3 Keanereves fucks people up for 2 hours 45:14.95 mikebledsoe But yeah, yeah, it is dude I finally watched I watched I've been wanting to watch John Wick for like 10 years and the last time I flew it was on the screen I was like oh fuck I'll watch it now. Um good movie. 45:32.13 Max Shank It's funny. Yeah, yeah. 45:33.74 mikebledsoe Actually I really enjoyed it. Ah so ah, so yeah, the the this decentral ah decentralization of violence through the invention of the rifle really is what allowed. Ah the Americans to get together and be able to. Hold the British back and everyone can fight that did not happen back in the day you were either a trained soldier or you weren't and if you weren't a trained soldier. You weren't fighting. Yeah yeah, mostly farmers. 45:53.17 Max Shank Everyone can fight now I think that's even happening in Ukraine pass out a gun to everybody like. 46:07.57 Max Shank You're probably a farmer. You know you said something really cool there which was that philosophical change and I often have thought about the fact that slavery is largely due to the definition. In the Dao. Ah 1 of the none passages is that ah naming is the origin of all particular things. So when you say there's this philosophical enlightenment shift. What that means is without that adjustment. People will go on believing the same thing that they have been believing. It's just like momentum. There's ideological momentum just like there's physical momentum. So. It's interesting to look back and see how many people were controlled with. With the threat of violence mostly I think of like ah a plantation in the south right? or or you know even before that just using a whip. You know you got maybe None people ah fully commanding None people and all they have is like whips and these people don't even think ah a. They think I'm I'm a slave and this is normal and this is what slaves do this is like a superior man and this is a slave even the code of hamurabi allegedly the oldest text for law which is basically like if you steal something we'll chop off your hand if you poke a guy's eye out. We'll poke your eye out if yo