Uncensored CMO

Jim Cregan built Jimmy's Iced Coffee from scratch, spotting an untapped market, designing a product that stood out, and making its way onto the shelves of Selfridges in just 4 months.In this episode, Jim shares the founding story, the thinking behind Jimmy's distinctive “BottleCan” packaging, and how personal touches and relentless energy helped build a brand people loved. We also dive into retail strategy, going direct-to-consumer, treating suppliers as humans, and how the £25m exit to Britvic finally came together.Sign up to our live event, The Calling, on April 21st here:https://event.uncensoredcmo.com/events/uncensoredcmo/204486100:00 - Start00:59 - The founding story of Jimmy's Iced Coffee06:04 - The iced coffee market at the time09:44 - How Jimmy designed and packaged the product12:21 - Why Jimmy's is in “Cottles” or “BottleCans”19:56 - How Jimmy's got into Selfridges 4 months after launching20:50 - Hustling their way into Whole Foods and other stores26:58 - How Jimmy's got a listing in Tesco28:05 - Treating suppliers like humans31:15 - Choosing to go Direct to Consumer in addition to retail32:53 - Adding the personal details that matter34:20 - How Jim marketed Jimmy's Iced Coffee39:39 - Jim's advice to aspiring founders41:57 - How the £25m exit to Britvic happened

How do you distil something as complex as marketing into something simple?In this special episode of Uncensored Renegades, Kory delivers a powerful seven-minute poem (originally written as a pattern-disrupting acceptance speech) that captures the emotional weight, pressure, and responsibility of modern marketing leadership.Born from a flash of inspiration at an AC/DC concert, the poem explores the trials of being a CMO, the burden of accountability, and the mental fortitude required to lead.After the performance, Jon reacts candidly, unpacking the themes of ownership, bravery, and the uncomfortable truth that in leadership, pretty much everything is down to you.Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/uncensored-renegades/id1868870960Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7qnkqq0XSpgif9A5ZNgSpX?si=f181c3a0e9af480cTimestamps00:00 - Start00:28 - Why marketing is poetry to Kory02:25 - Where did Kory's love for poetry start?03:58 - How poetry makes complex things simple04:56 - Why Kory wrote a poem and not an acceptance speech12:29 - Kory Marchisotto's marketing poem19:43 - Jon reacts to Kory's poem21:04 - The power of mental fortitude24:34 - Pretty much everything is down to you, and you alone26:45 - You don't have to have all the answers28:05 - Seek out what you don't know

Thomas Barta is one of the world's leading experts on marketing leadership. A former McKinsey partner, CEO of the Marketing Leadership Institute, and co-author of The 12 Powers of a Marketing Leader, Thomas has studied what makes CMOs successful through the largest global research project of its kind, over 68,000 leadership assessments.In this episode, we explore what CEOs really expect from CMOs, why so few marketers make it to the boardroom, and what needs to change if marketing is to lead growth again. Thomas shares practical tactics for building stronger CFO relationships, acting with more bravery, and avoiding the “safe” behaviours that quietly kill careers. A must-listen for any marketer serious about leadership.Sign up to our live event, The Calling, on April 21st here:https://event.uncensoredcmo.com/events/uncensoredcmo/2044861Timestamps00:00 - Intro00:43 - How Thomas Barta got into marketing02:24 - The surprising thing about marketing at the board level03:52 - What is the CEO looking for a CMO to deliver04:41 - Why are there so few marketers in the boardroom08:38 - What tactics should marketers use to make sure they are delivering growth11:20 - How can CMOs build the relationship with their CFO12:53 - CMO Tenure - is it going up or down?18:59 - What do CMOs need to change?21:13 - Fitting in is the safest way to fail28:11 - The bravery formula29:48 - Why you need to act quickly31:07 - Confessions of a CMO

With Cannes Lions deadlines looming, Jon and Kory dive into what it really takes to pitch, and win, at Cannes.We recorded this episode on the final day of Cannes 2025, with Kory in the thick of e.l.f's "So Many D*cks" campaign submission for both a Glass and Titanium Lion. With the experience fresh in her mind, she breaks down the realities of the process.Jon brings a different perspective, reflecting on his own Bronze and Silver Lion wins from years past, and the hard-earned lessons that came with them.This is an episode of the Uncensored Renegades podcast. We'll only be posting a few more episodes of Renegades on this feed. To hear episodes of this new show, subscribe in your podcast app of choice:Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/uncensored-renegades/id1868870960Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7qnkqq0XSpgif9A5ZNgSpX?si=f181c3a0e9af480cTimestamps00:00 - Intro00:49 - The pitching process for a Cannes Lion03:14 - The pitch process for a Glass Lion06:51 - The power of the Pratfall Effect08:39 - Pitching for a Titanium Lion10:41 - Jon's tips from winning his Silver and Bronze Lions12:17 - Audience before content14:14 - How to make your campaign interesting (and not dull)16:25 - How e.l.f. makes their campaigns interesting18:58 - How to hack your campaign; babies or animals

Syl Saller CBE is one of the most respected marketing leaders of her generation. Former Global Chief Marketing and Innovation Officer at Diageo, Syl helped lead a FTSE 10 business with more than 200 brands across 180 countries. Today, she's an executive coach and mentor, President of The Marketing Society, and works closely with C-suite leaders to develop the next generation of marketing leadership.In this episode, Syl shares what the CMO role at Diageo is really like, how to build strong relationships with CEOs and boards, and how to navigate imposter syndrome, difficult conversations, and career-defining moments. We also discuss why she left Diageo, what she'd do differently looking back, and the leadership lessons she now passes on to others.Sign up to our live event, The Calling, on April 21st here:https://event.uncensoredcmo.com/events/uncensoredcmo/2044861Timestamps00:00 - Intro00:53 - What's a CMO role at Diageo really like?02:56 - How to have difficult conversations03:59 - Whats it like being on the board of Diageo?05:04 - Working with Sir Ivan Menezes, legendary Diageo CEO09:10 - How to foster a great relationship with your CEO12:38 - How Syl Saller's childhood shaped her into the leader she is today18:57 - What would Syl Saller do differently in her career21:29 - How to deal with imposter syndrome as a leader25:31 - How to figure out your life and career plan28:08 - The toolkit for planning success31:40 - Why the challenging moments in life can have the best outcomes34:17 - Maintaining a good work life balance with a senior job38:51 - Why Syl left Diageo in 202040:11 - Why Syl Saller became a leadership coach after leaving Diageo43:10 - Three bits of leadership advice from Syl Saller

This is an episode of the Uncensored Renegades podcast. To hear episodes of this new show, subscribe here:Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/uncensored-renegades/id1868870960Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7qnkqq0XSpgif9A5ZNgSpX?si=f181c3a0e9af480cWhen you define any other business function, the answer is simple. What is finance? What is HR? What is IT?When you ask, what is marketing? The answer is broad. Is it sales? Is it storytelling? Is it brand?In this episode, Kory and Jon dig into some of the words used to define marketing and decrypt some of the findings.Timestamps00:00 - Intro00:15 - Why is marketing hard to define?04:35 - Why brand is so important08:36 - How your brand shows up when hiring people10:36 - The words that describe marketing14:47 - Do marketers neglect the role of strategy?17:25 - The most surprising words that define marketing18:39 - The power of storytelling

The last time I spoke to today's guest, James Watt, he fired me. It's the first thing we talk about in the episode, but I have nothing but respect for the man who built Brewdog into the Unicorn it is today. Through their impressive marketing stunts, focus on product quality and immense speed of execution, Brewdog successfully took on the beer behemoths and solidified its place in the industry. In this episode we talk about why James made a mistake hiring an executive team (including me), how they convinced a bank to give them a loan in the global financial crisis and how he almost lost £50m to a Russian bank account. Now, James has launched a new venture, Social Tip, a new way brands can connect with consumers.Sign up to our live event, The Calling, on April 21st here:https://event.uncensoredcmo.com/events/uncensoredcmo/2044861Timestamps00:00 - Intro00:58 - Why did James fire Jon?01:56 - Being in the detail and close to the customer06:07 - Brewdog founding story: how they got funding08:54 - Why Brewdog is so passionate about making a great product13:07 - How Brewdog won their Tesco listing15:58 - How a Tesco listing transformed Brewdog17:37 - The secret to an overnight success20:22 - Why constraints led to great marketing for Brewdog22:09 - Examples of Brewdog's incredible marketing stunts27:43 - Why James changed his name to Elvis29:28 - Collaborating with copycats: launching ALD IPA31:14 - When marketing stunts go wrong33:28 - How James almost lost £50 million37:48 - James Watt's favourite business books41:17 - How James Watt felt when he left Brewdog43:01 - Leadership lessons from James Watt about scaling46:05 - Dealing with public scrutiny47:26 - Why James started his new business: Social Tip54:03 - How to pitch your business to James Watt

This is the first episode of the Uncensored Renegades podcast. To hear episodes of this new show, subscribe here:Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/uncensored-renegades/id1868870960Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7qnkqq0XSpgif9A5ZNgSpX?si=f181c3a0e9af480cKnow your e.l.f.ing numbers - it's your responsibility as a leader. Jon and Kory share stories of when this has helped them in roles, and share advice on how CMOs can be successful in getting more budget, taking bigger risks and, ultimately, grow the brand (for 25 consecutive quarters in Kory's case).Timestamps00:00 - Intro00:34 - You just do the cutting, sticking and colouring in01:42 - Why knowing your numbers is so important for CMOs05:25 - Making the case for long term marketing investment08:10 - Why CMOs need to earn the right to take risks12:05 - Managing internal politics in the c-suite15:16 - Kory's formula to create successful work

Jenn Chase, CMO of SAS, joins us to share how one of the world's most established AI and analytics companies is reinventing its brand. From launching SAS's first brand campaign in 25 years to shifting the organisation from performance-led to brand-led thinking, Jenn walks through what it takes to drive meaningful change inside a founder-led business.We also discuss how COVID reshaped the brand, why SAS is leaning into humour, the decision to sponsor Liverpool FC, and where AI is having the biggest impact on marketing today. Plus, Jenn shares leadership lessons, the skills every modern CMO needs, and how to build a great culture.Timestamps00:00 - Start01:00 - What is SAS?02:11 - Being a founder led business after 50 years04:38 - Being at the company for 27 years06:03 - How Jenn became CMO of SAS07:57 - How COVID changed the brand forever08:33 - Launching their first brand campaign in 25 years09:22 - Convincing the business to switch from performance to brand10:45 - Creating an effective relationship with the finance team14:31 - What did the business think of the first brand campaign in 25 years?17:22 - How did they manage the effectiveness of their brand campaign?22:04 - Why their new campaign leans into humour24:28 - Why SAS decided to sponsor Liverpool FC27:06 - How to sell in a big idea to an organisation?32:16 - Where is AI having the biggest impact in marketing?36:25 - Leadership advice from Brene Brown39:54 - Skills to be a successful CMO42:59 - What creates a great culture45:12 - How big of a change will AI search be47:08 - The 95:5 rule

This is the first episode of the Uncensored Renegades podcast. To hear episodes of this new show, subscribe here:Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/uncensored-renegades/id1868870960Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7qnkqq0XSpgif9A5ZNgSpX?si=f181c3a0e9af480cFailure needs to be rebranded. Most see it negatively, but history shows great successes are followed shortly after failures. Jon and Kory tackle the stigma against failures, why we should embrace them across the organisations we work for. They also share their biggest failures in their career and what they've learned from them.Timestamps00:00 - Intro01:54 - Why are we afraid to talk about failure?04:07 - Why failures set you up for success11:11 - Jon's biggest failure18:20 - Kory's biggest failure

After collaborating with Worldwide Partners on the Confessions of a CMO report (the anonymous report asking top tier CMOs what they really think about the state of the role), I thought I'd team up with the world's most opinionated professor to discuss some of the comments. We talk tenure, politics, management and more.Timestamps00:00 - Intro01:04 - How the Uncensored CMO started02:41 - How Confessions of a CMO originated03:44 - The CMO tenure data06:35 - Why the CMO role isn't dead, it's just changing12:02 - The real 4 Ps of a CMO18:57 - Becoming the Chief Mood Officer22:16 - Why marketing needs to provide the meaning for the business27:04 - Why CMOs need to combine data and storytelling28:38 - Why CMOs need to create momentum40:53 - Were there any surprises from the report?About Worldwide Partners:Worldwide Partners, Inc. (WPI), the world's most collaborative agency network, enables growth through access, flexibility and partnership. With over 90 independent agencies in more than 50 countries, and experience in over 90 industry verticals, Worldwide Partners serves as a hub that harnesses the talent, expertise and diversified capabilities of the agencies within our network to reimagine growth for both brands and agencies.

Listen to the launch episode of my brand new show, Uncensored Renegades, co-hosted with Kory Marchisotto, CMO of e.l.f. and a previous guest on Uncensored CMO.Listen to the new show here:Apple PodcastsSpotifyIn Uncensored Renegades, we talk about the things most people are too afraid to discuss: being fired, failure, terrible bosses, and more.Get to know your hosts, Jon Evans and Kory Marchisotto, hear why we started the show, and find out what's coming next.Timestamps00:00 - Intro01:06 - Background to Uncensored Renegades01:59 - Why Renegades?02:39 - The response to Jon's launch post05:48 - What topics will be discussed on the show?08:47 - The partnership that led to the podcast11:50 - Why the name “Renegades”?13:54 - Getting to know Jon and Kory27:45 - What do you do to recharge?38:33 - Inspiring books41:32 - Crowdsourcing topic ideas

Our most popular guest ever is back - Rory Sutherland returns for a wide-ranging conversation on why marketing works best when it embraces luck, spontaneity, and a little irrationality. From the dangers of confected outrage and self-censorship to the unfair economics of marketing, Rory challenges the industry's obsession with logic, optimisation, and process.We discuss why success is often misunderstood as skill rather than luck, the value of doing a few things irresponsibly, and why inefficiency can be a feature rather than a flaw. As ever, Rory connects behavioural science, creativity, and business reality in ways few others can.Timestamps00:00 - Intro01:16 - How Rory deals with his new micro fame03:12 - How Jon shut down the London Underground07:04 - The problem with confected outrage10:34 - How self-censoring is affecting creativity12:10 - The power of spontaneity and luck in advertising16:03 - The unfair economics of marketing20:54 - Is success just luck?23:12 - Spend 95% responsibly, and 5% irresponsibly30:12 - Doubling down on what your competitors do badly34:32 - Why so many businesses are no longer customer focused35:29 - Inefficiency as a feature37:08 - The power of herd mentality43:26 - What marketers can teach the business world48:13 - Why internal process is killing businesses51:15 - Lessons from 200 years of The Spectator advertising54:47 - Rory's closing thoughts on marketing

Les Binet and Sarah Carter are back for our yearly special, tacking the biggest marketing stories of the year and what to focus on in 2026. We explore the power of consistency, disguised repetition, and why brands so often misunderstand campaigns. Les and Sarah explain why big brands can't behave like small ones (and vice versa), how marketers can persuade businesses to invest more in the long term, and whether we're seeing the end of the purpose era and a return to product-led growth. We also look ahead to the role of AI versus craft in advertising, and what the evidence suggests for the year ahead.Timestamps00:00 - Intro00:38 - The year of consistency05:26 - Disguised repetition11:13 - Do we define campaigns wrong?12:27 - Why you need to go big on your media spend17:07 - Why big brands can't market like small brands and vice versa23:15 - How can you persuade your business to spend more28:52 - Why don't we do the long term work, despite the evidence34:19 - Why everyone is wrong about CMO tenure37:18 - Have we seen the end of the purpose era? (and the renaissance of product)44:50 - AI vs craft in advertising

In this special crossover episode, we're joined by Jimmy McLoughlin, host of Jimmy's Jobs of the Future, to explore the intersection of politics, media, and marketing. Jimmy shares how he built one of the UK's most influential political podcasts, landed interviews with the Prime Minister, and why big podcasts now rival traditional media in shaping public opinion.We also compare the most impactful episodes from both shows, debate trust in marketing and politics, unpack why some of today's biggest tech brands struggle with branding, and make the case for humour in advertising. Timestamps00:00 - Start01:37 - How Jimmy McLoughlin became a podcaster04:21 - How Jimmy got the Prime Minister of the UK on the pod08:50 - The power of big podcasts11:43 - Why can't politicians be honest?12:56 - The top 5 episodes of Jimmy's Jobs of the Future16:59 - The top 5 episodes of Uncensored CMO in 202521:25 - What episode has inspired Jimmy the most23:27 - What episode has inspired Jon the most?29:34 - What politician would Jon most like to interview?30:33 - The danger of all the new podcasts being released33:27 - The most untrustworthy professions; marketing and politics34:39 - Webinars need a rebrand35:56 - Why no marketer was involved with branding ChatGPT37:27 - Monzo's great marketing in 202539:33 - The serious case for humour in advertising39:58 - The different types of happiness in advertising41:46 - The shifting advertising landscape46:13 - Approaching marketing like a politician47:51 - Career advice in 2026 from Jimmy McLoughlin49:20 - When politics and marketing collide

This week's bonus episode comes from Never Mind the Adverts, hosted by Jon Evans and joined by returning Uncensored CMO guest Orlando Wood. Together, they look back on the biggest marketing stories, debates, and creative moments of 2025. Expect festive cheer, some interesting tipples, and a healthy dose of advertising showmanship.Timestamps00:00 - Start00:41 - Starting with some festive cheer02:04 - The big news stories from 202502:20 - The multiplier effect03:51 - The creative dividend05:05 - The Cost of Dull Media07:17 - Les Binet Go Big or Go Home09:22 - The Wild West of Influencer Measurement13:00 - How the pause screen has become an advertising channel14:30 - Sydney Sweeney, American Eagle and Jaguar - The Crisis16:15 - Mergers and WPP17:26 - Drinks Trolley Break19:00 - Jon's highlight - awards20:12 - Orlando Wood's highlight of 202521:46 - Rory Sutherland vs Scott Galloway22:35 - Jon and Alix Earle in Cannes23:52 - Jon cycles up a mountain with Zwift25:12 - Becoming trustee for the History of Advertising Trust26:42 - The History of Christmas Advertising with a special guest33:10 - Who won Christmas in 2025?34:27 - Aldi and Kevin the Carrot35:18 - Waitrose's strong Christmas showing36:28 - The most viewed Christmas Ads on YouTube37:25 - Amazon re-airing their Christmas ad this year38:20 - The growth of Christmas Ads in 202539:47 - The right brained nature of the successful Christmas ads40:51 - The Coca Cola AI Christmas Ad43:23 - The Never Mind the Adverts Awards44:02 - System1 Star of the Year44:51 - System1 Turkey of the Year45:32 - Name that ad

Emma Harris spent a decade revolutionising Eurostar as its Marketing and Sales Director, leading the brand through years of success and navigating multiple crises. Now the Founder and Chief of Glow London, she works with clients around the world to build brands that are deeply connected to their people and culture.In this episode, Emma shares her journey through marketing, leadership, and entrepreneurship, and the life-altering moment that forced her to rethink everything. After suffering a cardiac arrest, she reflects on ambition, burnout, and what really matters. We talk about building great teams, leaving safe roles to start something new, bouncing back from the hardest year of her life, and why slowing down might be the most radical, and necessary, leadership move as we head into 2026.Timestamps00:00 - Intro00:52 - How Emma got into marketing04:58 - What can sales learn from marketers?07:36 - How to respond to a comms crisis?12:17 - Lessons from a 10 year tenure at a company14:14 - How to get the best out of your employees16:49 - How to hire great people18:14 - Why Emma left her safe role to setup her own agency19:41 - Bouncing back from the worst year of your life20:42 - Why Emma set up Glow, her agency21:39 - Advice for being your own boss22:34 - Emma's life changing cardiac arrest25:54 - Life lessons from almost dying28:06 - Why you need to slow the f*ck down33:58 - How we should approach the new year37:04 - The power of accountability

As has become a tradition, marketing professor Mark Ritson is back to break down his top 10 marketing moments of the year. We talk fighter brands, the president, Amazon's grannies, deepfakes, mergers and more in this snappy episode. There's nothing more to say - strap in and enjoy the opinionated marketing professor dropping some clangers.Timestamps00:00 - Intro00:32 - Mark Ritson's top 10 stories of the year01:55 - 10. A big year for mergers04:35 - 9. The painkiller vs the president09:42 - 8. Tesla's Fighter Brand Failure12:56 - Mark Ritson's advice to Elon Musk23:05 - 6. Amazon brings back the grannies (compounding)30:10 - Marketing Buzzwords of 202530:20 - Buzzword 1: Hyperpersonalisation30:54 - Buzzword 2: Onmichannel Marketing31:44 - Buzzword 3: Growth Hacking32:38 - 5: The great Cracker Barrel crisis of 202539:06 - 4. Starbucks and their positioning42:10 - 3: New CEOs chasing growth vs gimmicks43:44 - 2. Deepfake Martin Lewis and fraudulent advertising48:33 - 1: Maxi-miniflation

Andrew Warden, CMO of Semrush, joins us to unpack how AI is reshaping search, and what it means for marketers heading into 2026. We discuss whether SEO is really “dead,” the biggest insights from Semrush's new AI Visibility Index, and how different AI models surface and rank content across industries. Andrew also shares why brand and digital visibility matter more than ever, the growing importance of creators in AI-driven discovery, and practical advice for CMOs trying to stay ahead as search rapidly evolves.This episode is brought to you by Semrush — your unfair advantage in digital brand visibility. From fast-growing teams to global enterprises, Semrush shows you where you stand, where you can win, and how to stay visible across AI Search and LLMs. With unrivaled data and real AI intelligence, Semrush helps you move faster, grow faster, and make sure your brand is the answer wherever customers ask.Timestamps00:00 - Intro02:08 - How disruptive is AI for search in 2026?04:19 - Is SEO dead now because of AI?08:32 - Biggest surprises from Semrush's new AI Visibility Index Report11:04 - How different AI models treat different industries13:05 - Understanding how AI ranks different sources15:48 - Why content creators are important in the age of AI search18:35 - Why you need to be failing fast in AI21:10 - Why brand matters more in the age of AI24:20 - Why digital brand visibility matters so much26:28 - Advice for CMOs for getting on top of AI for search30:21 - Is AI just making decisions for us?33:19 - Why humanity, authenticity and emotion are more important than ever36:12 - What is Semrush One?

Jo Shoesmith, Chief Creative Officer at Amazon, joins us for a second time to reveal how one of the world's biggest brands continues to make advertising that connects emotionally and stands the test of time. She shares what she's learned moving from agency life to leading creativity inside a global giant, why Amazon still invests in traditional media, and the secret to ads that run for 3–5 years without losing impact.We also discuss why right-brained storytelling works, the surprising insights about Gen Z, and how Amazon balances scale, agility, and creativity in the age of AI.Timestamps00:00 - Intro01:21 - Learnings from going agency side to brand side04:18 - How much does Amazon spend on advertising each year?05:02 - Why Amazon still advertises using traditional media06:21 - Why is Amazon's creative so effective?08:57 - Why Amazon's advertising is so right brained10:33 - Why Amazon make ads to run for 3-5 years14:25 - Amazon re-airing the popular “Grannies” ad17:00 - Why the industry is obsessed with youth18:33 - The interesting numbers behind Gen Z and advertising21:00 - Japanese Granny Ad from Amazon23:07 - The only Cannes Lion Jon has ever won26:11 - Using production to discover new stories29:48 - Amazon's CCO's thoughts on AI and creativity32:56 - Is AI used in the creative process at Amazon?35:29 - How does such a big company stay so agile?36:24 - What one thing has made the biggest difference for Jo?

Zaria Parvez was the creative mastermind behind Duolingo's social media success, having joined the company in 2020 fresh out of University. 5 years later, and after 8 billion impressions, she's left for her next challenge - taking on the social media for Doordash. We speak to Zaria to find out what the secret to the viral success is, and how she plans to replicate this at Doordash.This episode is brought to you by Semrush — your unfair advantage in digital brand visibility. From fast-growing teams to global enterprises, Semrush shows you where you stand, where you can win, and how to stay visible across AI Search and LLMs. With unrivaled data and real AI intelligence, Semrush helps you move faster, grow faster, and make sure your brand is the answer wherever customers ask.Timestamps00:00 - Start00:34 - Why Zaria left Duolingo01:32 - Why Zaria moved from Duolingo to Doordash02:44 - Coping with a rapid career trajectory04:58 - The big moments for Duolingo07:00 - Can you plan virality?08:30 - How important was it having Duo as a brand character11:02 - Why Duolingo killed duo13:23 - Sending Duo's ashes to Dua Lipa14:05 - What are the conditions that make a successful social media campaign16:01 - How Zaria spots trends and turns them into content17:41 - Thinking long term through a social media lens19:39 - How to scale viral social media efforts21:36 - Why who your boss is matters so much22:52 - When things go wrong on social media24:47 - Why Zaria built a personal brand28:02 - What Zaria is hoping for in the future28:59 - How is AI changing social media?31:36 - Social media advice for podcasters32:20 - How to cope with the intensity of working in social media34:58 - The best marketers hate marketing36:25 - Why you need to embrace boredom

Esi Eggleston Bracey is the Chief Marketing and Growth Officer of Unilever. Esi joined the company in 2018 and has served as President of Unilever USA and CEO of Personal Care in North America. Prior to this, she led their $5 billion Beauty & Personal Care portfolio for North America as EVP and Chief Operating Officer which included responsibility for brands such as Dove, TRESemmé, Suave, Vaseline, Degree, Axe and more. There's a reason why this is a brand building masterclassEsi has been recognised with many industry awards including being named as one of Forbes World's Most Influential CMOs, a Forbes Entrepreneurial CMO 50, Women's Wear Daily Marketer of the Year, ADCOLOR Legend, Ad Age Vanguard Award and more.Timestamps00:00 - Intro00:54 - From P&G to Unilever, Esi's career journey03:09 - How important is breadth of experience as a marketer04:54 - How to increase your marketing budget07:45 - Why Esi has growth in her title and not just Chief Marketing Officer08:36 - The most surprising thing about running 400 brands10:37 - What skills do marketers need to be successful today?12:08 - Esi's thoughts of AI in marketing17:14 - How to win the hearts of your consumer19:48 - Unilever's SASSY framework for winning hearts and minds21:45 - Why we buy more when we feel more23:27 - The secret behind the groundbreaking Dove marketing26:45 - Why Uniliver are spending 50% of media on social and 20x spend on creators29:18 - How the Vaseline Verified campaign took off30:37 - Unilever's framework for successful social media campaigns32:29 - Applying the SASSY Framework to innovation35:19 - Unilever's collaboration with Crumbl Cookies37:42 - How Unilever uses AI39:45 - Which Unilever brand would Esi buy?41:46 - The power of consistency42:43 - How do you nurture the next $1b portfolio brand

Nick Tran, is the CMO and President of First Round, leading Diageo's new joint venture with Main Street Advisors to oversee two of the world's most culturally driven spirits brands: Ciroc and Lobos 1707. Nick shares how he's approaching brand reinvention vs continuation, why product innovation and cultural relevance are key, and what goes into long-term brand growth. We also touch on the future of social media, AI's role in marketing, and what it takes to build a truly modern CMO career.00:00 - Intro00:36 - How the Diageo and Main Street Advisors partnership happened?02:49 - The long term view for Ciroc and Lobos 170706:10 - The plan for Ciroc08:57 - Reinvention vs continuation when transforming a brand11:31 - Focusing on product innovation and serve for Ciroc and Lobos 170714:14 - Is alcohol drinking trending down?19:00 - How do you become culturally relevant?22:07 - Using the Liquid Death challenger mindset24:08 - The role of celebrities and influencers for drinks brands27:16 - Why Nick is investing in his personal brand31:53 - What does it take to become a successful CMO?37:04 - How Nick invests in other companies41:59 - Nick Tran's thoughts on AI45:47 - Have we reached peak social media?50:39 - Bonus Question

Nils Leonard, Uncommon Studio's co-founder and Creative Director is back, and the mic is hotter than ever. We're tackling why Uncommon is pushing the boundaries of out of home, including the divisive BA "Reflections" campaign, what Nils thinks of the energy in the US vs the UK, and why we have a lot of work to do if we want creativity to thrive in this country.Timestamps00:00 - Start00:52 - How did Uncensored CMO end up at Uncommon Studios02:33 - What just Jon want to happen as a result of this episode?04:45 - What does Nils want to happen as a result of this podcast?06:10 - Nils' advice to founders wanting to start an agency07:51 - Uncommon's work with The Ordinary13:38 - Why Uncommon loves out of home15:31 - Uncommon's out of home work with British Airways22:20 - Uncommon's B&Q out of home26:51 - Uncommon's Hiscox work29:55 - Uncommon's EA work32:51 - Uncommon's JD Sports work turning the lens on the community37:45 - British Airway's safety video43:40 - The culture of creativity in the UK vs US46:40 - Why Campaign's"Turkey of the Week" is a terrifying reflection on the UK48:52 - WPP and creativity51:28 - Who killed creativity?53:53 - What Brits can learn from Americans to bring creativity back

Entrepreneur, investor, and VaynerMedia CEO Gary Vaynerchuk joins us from Wine Library to share his unfiltered take on marketing in 2025. We cover everything from spotting consumer trends to staying authentic in the age of AI. Gary explains why generosity is his most powerful growth strategy, why the customer is always right, and which media channels are over or undervalued in 2025.Timestamps00:00 - Intro01:03 - Being back at Wine Library02:38 - Why the customer is always right according to Gary Vee07:17 - Why Gary Vee doesn't believe in luck09:28 - How Gary Vee has managed to have so much reach13:14 - The power of generosity17:51 - Gary Vee's advice on spotting trends19:31 - Why you need to pay attention to the consumer21:18 - What does good marketing look like according to Gary Vee22:01 - Why social media is better than all other media channels24:08 - Is TV advertising dead?28:26 - Undervalued or overvalued: media channel edition29:26 - Undervalued or overvalued: podcasts31:34 - Undervalued or overvalued: LinkedIn32:24 - Undervalued or overvalued: Email33:26 - Undervalued or overvalued: sms/text34:03 - Undervalued or overvalued: YouTube35:29 - Undervalued or overvalued: search38:39 - Undervalued or overvalued: TikTok40:16 - Undervalued or overvalued: Twitter/X42:29 - Undervalued or overvalued: New York Jets44:54 - How do we maintain authenticity in the age of AI49:00 - Gary Vee's advice on how to execute on ideas

Will Guidara is the author of Unreasonable Hospitality and co-founder of the world's #1 restaurant, Eleven Madison Park. He joins us to share how lessons from hospitality can be a huge competitive advantage for your brand. We discuss the power of small but impactful gestures, intelligent naivety, the 95/5 rule and investing in the things that can't be measured but make all the difference.Will also reflects on the mindset that took Eleven Madison Park to the top, what businesses can learn from restaurants, and how applying unreasonable hospitality can turn any customer experience into something truly extraordinary.Timestamps00:00:00 - Start00:00:57 - Will's experience writing his book00:02:11 - Getting 4 stars from The New York Times00:04:43 - What marketers can learn from Unreasonable Hospitality00:08:08 - Where did the term “unreasonable hospitality” come from?00:14:13 - Why Will is fine being “The Dining Room Guy”00:16:40 - Why Will added a beer sommelier - reverse benchmarking00:20:29 - Intelligent naivety and the advantages of youth00:23:30 - The power of small thoughtful gestures that make a lasting impact00:27:22 - The 95/5 rule - how to succeed with things that cannot be measured00:31:47 - Restaurant smart vs corporate smart00:36:50 - Why you sometimes need conflicting goals00:41:34 - Is the customer always right?00:45:55 - Turning pain points into highlights00:48:06 - How Will Guidara makes getting the bill a memorable experience00:51:38 - Why nothing in the world can replace persistence00:53:40 - Never waste a good crisis00:56:52 - What Will would do at Cannes with no budget00:59:56 - How Shake Shack kept 11 Madison Park going01:00:48 - Which fast food chains does Will admire01:03:51 - Hiring exceptional talent01:06:17 - Getting siloed teams to work together in harmony01:09:07 - What would you do if you knew you couldn't fail

Jess Butcher MBE has built a career at the intersection of technology and consumer behaviour. She co-founded AR pioneer Blippar and has since turned her attention to a growing issue: how AI and social media are shaping our brains, behaviour, and wellbeing.In this episode, Jess shares what she's learned as a founder, why female entrepreneurs still struggle to access funding, and why she believes brands must take responsibility for the attention economy they help create. We discuss how “More Soul, Less Scroll” is encouraging healthier digital habits, and the practical steps companies can take to drive positive change.Timestamps00:00 - Intro01:41 - Jess' background as a female founder05:56 - How Jon used Jess' QR code startup13:19 - Why Blippar ultimately failed17:34 - The lessons from Blippar's failure21:30 - Why female founders struggle to get funding25:50 - The characteristics of successful founders31:15 - How AI is re-wiring our brains negatively34:05 - Why social media is ruining our lives40:09 - Why is this problem getting worse if we know about it?44:17 - What ScrollAware is trying to do about the problem48:38 - Which brands are taking responsibility for this problem best?54:46 - Less Scroll More Soul sleeping bags

Craig Brommers, CMO of American Eagle, joins us to go behind the scenes of one of the most talked-about campaigns of the year; Sydney Sweeney for American Eagle. Craig reveals what really happened, why the brand partnered with Sydney, and how they handled the extreme social-media reaction. We discuss the data behind the campaign's success, the decision to pause before responding, and what the advertising press got wrong. Craig also shares lessons in brand leadership, navigating public scrutiny, and what it takes to be a successful CMO in 2025.Timestamps00:00 - Intro00:35 - The Travis Kelce x American Eagle collaboration01:51 - Why American Eagle partnered with Sydney Sweeney03:21 - Did American Eagle know the campaign was going to explode on social media04:24 - What caused the extreme reaction to the campaign?06:08 - The System1 scores for the Sydney Sweeney x American Eagle campaign08:11 - How did it feel seeing the campaign come under so much scrutiny?11:50 - Choosing to pause instead of reacting immediately13:41 - Dealing with the personal side of some of the comments15:09 - The actual results of the Sydney Sweeney campaign16:51 - The reaction vs the media buy - what was the impact?18:11 - When Jon almost closed the London Underground with Amaretto20:53 - Did the advertising press get it wrong about the American Eagle campaign?22:14 - Craig's advice for other marketers facing a crisis27:15 - Will American Eagle continue to work with Sydney Sweeney?28:31 - Are we entering a “Jeans Wars” era?29:40 - The product strategy for American Eagle30:51 - How important are celebrity endorsements in Fashion31:45 - What are the elements for success for American Eagle33:26 - 3 things that make a successful CMO in 202539:56 - What does a successful CMO look like?40:44 - The one thing to remember from this conversation

After an illustrious 37-year career in advertising, legend David Droga is stepping down as CEO of Accenture Song and retiring. Under his leadership, Song grew 8% to $20 billion in FY25, up from $19 billion the previous year. A fitting closing act for one of the industry's most creative leaders.In this second conversation with David, we reflect on his career, the lessons he's learned, and what he would do if he were starting from scratch. From creativity's place at the heart of business to the power of simple ideas, David shares the philosophies, failures, and insights that have defined his journey.Timestamps00:00:00 - Start00:02:45 - Lessons from being CEO of Accenture Song00:06:01 - Why creativity needs to be at the forefront of businesses00:11:01 - How technology can enable creativity, rather than kill it00:18:42 - What is David Droga most proud of leaving as his legacy00:27:40 - What what David Droga do if he were starting from scratch00:29:59 - What are the traits of David Droga's favourite clients00:34:59 - What trends are overrated and underrated according to David Droga00:40:52 - David Droga ideas that never saw the light of day00:43:58 - The business that almost came before Droga500:46:49 - The size of the idea is 50x more important than the budget00:48:10 - Droga's best campaign on a small budget00:56:31 - Power of building on a campaign platform01:02:06 - The power of simple ideas01:07:48 - The most "Aussie" thing Droga has ever done

Richard Shotton, author of The Choice Factory and the newly released Hacking the Human Mind, joins us to explore the behavioural science behind the world's most iconic brands. From Guinness' 119.5 second pour to Red Bull's unconventional rise, Richard explains the psychological shortcuts that drive consumer decisions. We cover why 4-star reviews beat 5-stars, the secret behind Liquid Death's success, and how humour, jingles, and even “concrete expressions” can help brands stick in our minds.Timestamps:00:00 - Start01:07 - Why Richard is launching a new book02:54 - Why Guinness takes 119.5 seconds to pour05:46 - Why a 4 star review is better than a 5 star review07:50 - Why the Pratfall effect is so powerful11:00 - Why Aperol Spritz has become so popular18:18 - The behavioural science behind the Liquid Death success21:06 - Why consistency works according to behavioural science27:49 - Why Red Bull succeeds while defying convention34:15 - The labour illusion; Dyson Example41:03 - Why does the “You're Not You When You're Hungry” strapline work43:01 - Why we need to use humour more45:12 - Why has KFC dominated the fried chicken market?49:41 - The secrets behind the success of Pringles53:58 - Why jingles stick in our heads58:23 - How Apple used “Concrete Expressions”

Dame Carolyn McCall OBE is the CEO of ITV, the UK's biggest commercial broadcaster. She was previously CEO of The Guardian Media Group and easyJet, and currently serves as President of The Marketing Society.This year marks 70 years of TV advertising, celebrated with the launch of the new report, Living Room Legends, which explores the best ads of the past seven decades.Dame Carolyn joins Jon to discuss the report, why TV advertising is here to stay, and to reflect on some of the greatest ads of all time.Timestamps00:00 – Intro00:42 – 70 years of advertising02:11 – Carolyn's vision for the future of marketing04:15 – Why we need more marketers on boards05:25 – How a CMO can become a CEO08:15 – Overseeing the UK's biggest commercial broadcaster11:35 – How ITV is competing with global streaming giants13:19 – How ITV collaborates with the streaming giants15:15 – The recipe for a long-term hit TV show17:37 – Is TV advertising dead?22:47 – Is TV effective for Gen Z?24:31 – The Living Room Legends report, celebrating 70 years of advertising27:08 – The most emotional ad for Carolyn28:06 – What ads have made Carolyn McCall laugh29:10 – Advertising campaigns that have changed culture31:42 – Airing an ad within 72 hours of Christian Eriksen's cardiac arrest32:23 – Which campaigns have improved over the years33:34 – The best examples of romanticising the product35:13 – Why more SMEs are advertising35:52 – The future of TV advertising

What separates an ordinary manager from an extraordinary leader? Psychologist, best-selling author, and former NBA player John Amaechi joins us to explore the qualities that define great leadership in today's world. From self-awareness and vulnerability to empowering others and giving credit, John shares why intimidation fails, how to harness your personal value proposition, and why leaders must keep learning.Timestamps00:00:00 - Intro00:01:17 - Reflecting on masculinity00:03:42 - What does “ordinary” actually mean?00:07:51 - Discovering your personal value proposition00:09:24 - Going from functional manager to leader00:15:03 - Misconceptions on leadership00:17:16 - Is Trump having an effect on how we see leadership?00:19:22 - Why intimidation is a terrible leadership tactic00:23:14 - The importance of self awareness as a leader00:29:56 - Do highly accomplished people lack self assurance?00:32:58 - The desire to learn and having vulnerability00:40:37 - The importance of giving people credit00:44:22 - Accessing your library of experiences00:51:53 - Reconising our own weaknesses00:57:03 - The power of empowering others00:59:41 - Do different generations lead differently?01:02:49 - How to find time to learn as a leader

What makes a world-class CMO? In this masterclass, we're joined by Jane Wakely, CMO of PepsiCo, and Neil Barrie, founder of 21st Century Brands, to explore the strategies that drive growth of billion dollar brands. We discuss why CFO partnerships matter, how to reappraise established brands, and why creativity, whether through celebrity campaigns or a giant Cheetos thumb, still drives results. Plus, Jane and Neil share practical lessons on making change happen inside complex organisations.Timestamps00:00 - Intro01:28 - What are the attributes of a successful CMO?07:57 - Why Neil created the CMO Thrive Guide10:32 - Surprising things about Neil's CMO research12:44 - How Jane approached the first 90 days at PepsiCo16:27 - The importance of the CFO and CMO relationship22:22 - How marketers can influence the boardroom25:44 - Managing over 20 $1b+ brands27:52 - Navigating the complexity of a huge portfolio32:25 - How large brands can “Stay Up”34:49 - Why you should reappraise brands41:05 - The impact of celebs in advertising44:45 - Why the Cheetos giant thumb was effective47:51 - PepsiCo's involvement in Women's sport52:41 - How to make change happen in an organisation

Returning guest and everyone's favourite marketing professor, Mark Ritson, is back. As usual, Mark comes out firing with some no nonsense advice to all marketers. He talks about AI taking over his Mini MBA, leaving Marketing Week, why pricing is the most important P and some rules for creativity. Sit back and soak up the knowledge from Mr Mark Ritson.Timestamps00:00 - Intro01:06 - Why Mark Ritson sold Mini MBA02:12 - Mark Ritson leaving Marketing Week04:19 - Jon's favourite AI use case08:07 - Will AI take over Mini MBA?11:38 - What marketers think is different to what customers think12:58 - Mark Ritson on that Sydney Sweeney ad16:15 - The Creative Dividend: what makes great marketing in 202527:45 - Why marketers need to be involved in the 4 Ps30:30 - Why pricing is so important (and why marketers should be involved)38:28 - The absence of strategy and what to do about it42:38 - What has surprised Mark Ritson most in 202543:09 - Why AI is being marketed so poorly49:58 - The power of synthetic data

Ella Mills is the co-founder of Deliciously Ella, which began in 2012 as a simple blog sharing healthy recipes. What started online quickly grew into bestselling books, a #1 mobile app, and eventually a retail brand of healthy snacks. In 2024, Deliciously Ella was acquired for an undisclosed sum and today Ella is building her next venture, All Plants.Her journey is inspiring, and in this episode we explore every milestone: from securing her first Starbucks listing, to navigating a failure that nearly sank the business, to proving how an “average” person can create a truly global brand.Ella's podcast, The Wellness Scoop:https://open.spotify.com/show/7F6YqGJ06UEuD7qG81tFHwTimestamps00:00 - Intro01:01 - The Deliciously Ella founding story06:16 - When did the Deliciously Ella blog start to take off11:22 - Dealing with overnight attention and success13:33 - How can an average student become so successful?15:03 - How to nail a successful book launch17:16 - Scaling a personal brand21:08 - What's it like running the business with your husband?24:00 - Going from recipe blogs to making retail products24:53 - How Deliciously Ella landed in Starbucks33:18 - Building out the product range35:04 - Behind every success is a bunch of failures41:07 - Managing risk vs return when scaling a startup45:29 - How to make products that are successful in retail49:53 - Why Ella took over a new brand after selling Deliciously Ella52:30 - Where is the plant based market headed?56:22 - Why Ella started a podcast?

David Gluckman, the man who invented Baileys and author of That S**t Will Never Sell, joins us to share stories from his legendary career in brand creation. From the birth of iconic drinks (including Purdey's, Aqua Libra, Cîroc and Tanqueray) to lessons on creativity, innovation, and risk-taking, David reflects on what it really takes to bring bold ideas to life.Timestamps00:22 - The founding story of Baileys04:32 - Naming Baileys12:18 - How Purdey's and Aqua Libra began22:48 - Starting Cîroc and Tanqueray33:26 - Principles of innovation

Jonny Bauer has helped transform some of the world's biggest brands, from revitalising Axe (Lynx for UK listeners) at BBH to building strategy from the ground up at Droga5. In this episode, Jonny shares why brand can become a company's greatest asset, what he learned moving from agencies to private equity at Blackstone, and how to bring brand to the front of the P&L. Plus, how to win CEO buy-in, build long-term strategy, and the case studies that prove the power of brand-led growth.Timestamps00:00 - Intro01:58 - Why we never celebrate the strategy behind good campaigns04:03 - What Jonny is most proud of from his time at BBH06:27 - Transforming Lynx / Axe brand09:34 - Building strategy from the ground up at Droga515:23 - Best strategy outcomes at Droga517:47 - From ad agency to private equity28:39 - Learnings from Blackstone on running a successful business32:34 - How Blackstone approaches marketing33:50 - How to bring the brand up to the front of the P&L37:06 - How to get brand buy in from your CEO40:11 - Leaving Blackstone to use this approach on other clients47:17 - Successful case studies

Fernando Machado is one of the world's most celebrated CMOs, known for game-changing campaigns like Burger King's “Moldy Whopper.” In this episode, Fernando shares the work he's most proud of, why surprising campaigns cut through, and how creativity drives real business growth. We also discuss the most innovative non-advertising ideas from his career, what it takes to be an influential CMO, and his advice for startups looking to scale through bold marketing.Timestamps00:00 - Intro01:30 - What campaigns has Fernando been most proud of throughout his career07:57 - The Moldy Whopper Campaign16:55 - Why surprising campaigns are effective20:52 - The most creative non-advertising things in Fernando's career36:05 - How to be an influential CMO41:46 - Fernando's advice to marketing startups51:39 - The Lions Growth MBA

Matt Pohlson is the co-founder of Omaze, a platform that's raised over £300m for charity through once-in-a-lifetime prize draws. Matt shares how a life-changing moment shaped his mission, the business model behind giving away luxury homes and cars, and why storytelling and consistent advertising have fuelled Omaze's success. Plus, the challenges of the founder journey and his advice for aspiring entrepreneurs.Timestamps:00:00 - Intro00:32 - Matt's near death experience03:08 - How a near death experience has changed Matt06:56 - Omaze origin story10:18 - Shifting from US celebrity to UK focused prizes13:24 - Do Omaze buy the houses, cars and luxury items?14:22 - The business model of Omaze18:09 - Why storytelling is so important for Omaze24:52 - Why Omaze make so many ads28:16 - Omaze's advertising success through consistency31:27 - The most challenging parts of Matt's founder journey33:59 - Matt's advice to aspiring founders

Is Jaguar's bold rebrand a stroke of genius or marketing madness? We sit down with Rawdon Glover, Managing Director of Jaguar, to unpack the strategy behind one of the most dramatic relaunches in automotive history. From pausing sales to redesigning the brand from the ground up, Rawdon shares how Jaguar is reinventing itself for a younger, electric-first generation and talks about the visceral response from the launch video.Timestamps00:00 - Intro00:53 - Rawdon's journey into the automotive industry02:34 - A challenging time to be at the helm of Jaguar04:03 - Deciding between evolution and revolution at Jaguar09:05 - Why new car buyers are getting younger12:23 - Making the decision to rebrand Jaguar15:45 - Creating differentiation in the age of electrification18:46 - Designing the new Jaguar24:43 - What the Jaguar Owners Club think of the new car27:27 - The polarising Jaguar launch video33:14 - Dealing with the visceral reaction to the rebrand36:22 - How Jaguar will launch the car39:29 - Choosing to pause selling cars41:28 - Waymo's partnership with Jaguar45:04 - When will the new Jaguar go on sale

In partnership with NBCUniversal, we sit down with Tyler Bahl, CMO of Activision, to explore what it takes to market some of the world's most successful games, from Call of Duty to Tony Hawk Pro Skater. Tyler shares insights on launching blockbuster titles, the evolving gaming landscape in 2025, and how livestreaming, esports, and AI are transforming the industry. Plus, lessons from 23 editions of Call of Duty, surprising audience insights, and working directly with icons like Tony Hawk.Timestamps00:00 - Intro00:54 - Tyler's time at Quibi02:33 - State of the gaming industry in 202504:14 - Tony Hawk Pro Skater Surprise05:35 - The demographics of the video game consumer08:16 - How to launch a video game10:47 - How live streaming and esports has transformed video gaming14:10 - Ratio of male vs female video game players16:28 - Is video game success due to the product or the marketing?18:00 - The success and longevity of Call of Duty19:13 - Maintaining marketing success after 23 editions of Call of Duty20:36 - “The Replacer” campaign execution and success22:21 - Measuring success23:28 - How Activision do partnerships for game launches25:35 - How Activision makes sports games27:39 - Future sports games from Activision29:42 - What impact is AI having on gaming?31:40 - Working with Tony Hawk on the launch of the new game32:46 - Lesson's from Tyler's career

In this episode, produced in partnership with NBCUniversal, we sit down with Todd Kaplan, CMO of Kraft Heinz, to uncover the marketing “secret sauce” behind some of the world's most iconic brands. Todd shares lessons from driving 21 quarters of growth at Pepsi, why simplicity beats complexity in marketing, and how he's bringing an entrepreneurial spirit to Kraft Heinz. We also dive into working with agencies, building in-house creative, and what makes a truly great CMO.Timestamps00:00 - Intro00:30 - Todd's background01:41 - How Pepsi achieved 21 consecutive quarters of growth02:36 - Pepsi's approach to innovation04:22 - Battling short term vs long term in innovation05:20 - From 18 years at Pepsi to joining Kraft Heinz06:41 - Encouraging an entrepreneurial culture within Kraft Heinz09:10 - Having an in house agency at Kraft Heinz12:10 - Todd Kaplan's tips for working with external agencies16:28 - Why consistency of the brand is important for Kraft Heinz18:55 - Creating marketing that actually works24:39 - The best marketing is simple27:44 - What makes a great CMO?

In partnership with NBCUniversal, we sit down with Grainne Wafer, Global Category Director (Beer, Vodka, Liqueurs) at Diageo, to explore how one of the world's biggest drinks companies drives growth and builds iconic brands. Grainne shares the trends shaping the beverage industry, the transformation of Baileys, and how Diageo manages a portfolio of global powerhouses like Guinness. We also discuss the value of sports sponsorships, the rise of Guinness 0%, and why marketing effectiveness is always on tap.00:00 - Intro01:19 - What are the trends in the beverage industry?03:25 - What are the up and coming portfolio brands for Diageo?05:01 - How does Diageo manage brands internally?06:30 - Is Diageo going to sell Guinness?08:42 - What's behind Diageo's 17% YoY growth?12:03 - Guinness sport activation with Rugby and Football12:36 - How Guinness 0% is so close to the original14:23 - Guinness' sponsorship of Football and Rugby16:26 - How to do measure the value of a sponsorship of the Premier League17:39 - When the UK ran out of Guinness18:08 - Sponsoring the Women's Six Nations21:44 - How Diageo broadly measures the impact of marketing23:57 - Baileys celebrates 50 years25:22 - How Baileys was transformed27:23 - The Diageo way of brand building31:38 - Grainne's advice to CMOs

To celebrate 200 episodes, Tom Goodwin is back on Uncensored CMO. He's got a pretty strong opinion on the state of advertising. It's broken, and we need to fix it. Tom lays out where he thinks it's all gone wrong for the industry and what we can do about it. As uncensored as ever, Tom brings an entertaining and fresh perspective on marketing. Strap in.Timestamps00:00 - Intro00:50 - The state of advertising in 202502:40 - Why is the advertising industry not moving forward?06:13 - Brand vs performance marketing09:20 - What's broken with marketing in 202511:54 - How to actually be customer centric17:23 - Winning internal battles to allow long term work to thrive21:18 - Is performance marketing fraud?26:23 - How to make advertising better33:02 - Are we valuing creativity enough

In partnership with NBCUniversal, we sit down with Kory Marchisotto, CMO of e.l.f. Beauty, to unpack a 25 quarters of consecutive growth. From their bold “So Many Dicks” campaign to the $1B Rhode deal with Hailey Bieber, Kory shares how e.l.f. built a culture that fuels growth. We also dive into the power of creators and celebrities in beauty, partnerships with sporting icons like Billie Jean King and racing driver Katherine Legge, and the realities of leading as a high-growth, publicly listed CMO.Timestamps00:00 - Intro00:40 - The last decade of Elf01:35 - The Titanium and Glass Cannes Lions entry03:01 - Elf's “So Many Dicks” campaign10:01 - The secret to 25 quarters of consecutive growth13:36 - Building a culture that allows growth17:03 - $1b Rhode deal24:26 - How important are creators and celebrities in building beauty brands26:37 - Collaborating with Billie Jean King30:49 - Partnering with Katherine Legge, racing driver34:16 - The realities of being a high growth, publicly listed CMO

Simon Morris is Adobe's VP of International Marketing, joins us to share how Adobe is empowering creativity at scale. We discuss the impact of AI on marketing, why creativity will always need human skills, and how Adobe partners with brands like Real Madrid to build iconic campaigns. Simon also shares what makes a great marketing leader today, how to launch products successfully, and what's next for AI and creators.Timestamps:00:00 - Intro00:43 - The size of the Cannes activation for Adobe01:38 - Simon's marketing career04:21 - Adobe's CEO named creative champion of the year05:46 - Where has AI had the biggest impact in marketing?08:14 - Will AI replace creativity?09:35 - Where will human skills be most required in the age of AI?14:21 - How Adobe are their own customer15:10 - What campaigns have been made with Adobe's own software?16:19 - How brands can work with creators?17:59 - Freedom for creators vs sticking to guidelines19:16 - How to successfully launch a new product20:59 - Partnering with sports teams to build their brand (Real Madrid)23:25 - Maintaining trust in Adobe AI products, with potential IP worries26:16 - Whats the next thing in AI we need to pay attention to?28:37 - Building a brand for long term when the world is increasingly short term29:56 - What makes a great marketing leader today?

In collaboration with TikTok, System1 have launched a new research paper called "The Long and the Short Form of It", explaining how brands can navigate and excel in this of this new world of short form content. In this episode I catch up with TikTok's Head of Business Marketing and Partnerships to discuss the research and help brands succeed on the platform.Timestamps00:00 - Intro02:05 - Sofia's marketing career04:04 - Why B2B marketing needs to be more human05:36 - TikTok's marketing journey over the past 5 years06:48 - How brands can use TikTok10:47 - How brands can work with creators on TikTok14:20 - How to make a TikTok that captures attention18:18 - The TikTok economy21:18 - Why authenticity pays off on TikTok22:57 - How people can get started creating on TikTok25:30 - Is TikTok just for teenagers?26:51 - TikTok as an entertainment platform, not as a social media platform27:54 - Romancing the creative vs proving the value32:00 - Sofia's leadership lessons

After 20 unhappy years as a headhunter, it took a near death experience for Sherilyn Shackell to launch The Marketing Academy, a non-profit organisation developing leadership talent in marketing. Launched in 2010, The Marketing Academy now helps marketers become CMOs and CMOs become CEOs. This episode, we focus on exactly how CMOs can get a seat at the table in the boardroom and all the traits they need to do this successfully.Timestamps00:00 - Intro00:53 - How a near death experience led to the creation of The Marketing Academy08:29 - Does trauma help founders?11:27 - What is The Marketing Academy?15:05 - How The Marketing Academy Fellowship helps CMOs become CEOs20:08 - Why there needs to be CMOs on boards27:03 - What CMOs can do to get on boards35:36 - Why CMOs need to build their own profiles39:23 - Why CMOs need to invest in relationships44:16 - Why having a personal brand is a talent magnet45:48 - The biggest fears and anxieties of CMOs54:34 - What marketers can learn from the best CMOs in the world?

In a bonus live episode from Cannes, Professor Scott Galloway joins renowned CMO Kory Marchisotto (e.l.f. Beauty) and advertising legend Rory Sutherland to discuss three big topics: Is brand dead? Are we too risk-averse? And what is the future of the CMO?Timestamps00:00 - Start00:26 - Is the era of brand dead?13:54 - Do we need to make better advertising?20:11 - How CMOs can approach risk31:09 - The demise of the CMO

Ben Branson is the founder of Seedlip, a non-alcoholic spirit brand he started in 2015, and sold 3 years later to Diageo. Jon speaks to Ben about the origins of the brand, how the grew so fast, what makes Ben such an impressive marketer (despite him not liking marketing) and how a brand goes from 0 to exit in such a short space of time. We also talk about Ben's new brands and his Hidden 20% charity.Timestamps00:00:00 - SIntro00:01:01 - Where did the idea for Seedlip come from?00:14:14 - Charging a high price00:18:47 - How to push through the hard times00:21:10 - What led to such large growth in the early days of Seedlip00:24:29 - Planning for success vs making it up as you go00:27:44 - The power of intelligent naivety00:29:30 - Creativity within budget constraints00:31:05 - From innovator to scale up00:38:05 - Why did Ben Branson and Seedlip sell to Diageo?00:40:26 - What Ben doesn't like about marketing00:41:25 - Why Ben is a masterful marketer00:48:51 - The Hidden 20%: Ben's autism story and charity01:00:35 - Why Ben wants to close his charity, The Hidden 20%?

The B2B boys Jon Lombardo and Peter Weinberg return to the podcast for a third time, this time wearing their new distinctive assets. They go hard on Professor Scott Galloway, disagreeing with his "brand is dead" statement, suggesting that not only is brand not dead, it's alive, thriving and you need it for your brand to survive. They also give us an update on their synthetic research company, Evidenza, and what the future of brands look like in the age of AI.Timestamps00:00 - Intro02:07 - How is Evidenza going?03:36 - Why Evidenza have embraced distinctive assets08:29 - Why Jon and Peter disagree with Scott Galloway on brand17:20 - The future of brand in the age of AI21:21 - The 95:5 rule reinvented27:48 - Why brand efforts compound30:00 - Why brand matters more in B2B than B2C38:49 - The Evidenza jingle41:03 - What marketing questions can now be answered with AI55:17 - What is the future of AI for research