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In this special live episode of The IMAGE Wellness Project, recorded at WellFest, host Dominique McMullan is joined by Ella Mills - founder of Deliciously Ella - for an honest conversation about wellness that's rooted in real life. From navigating burnout to building a business, from motherhood to mindset, Ella shares the rituals and reflections that have helped her stay grounded. Together they unpack how the wellness space has evolved, how to set boundaries with compassion, and why small acts of care matter most. This is a calming, inspiring listen for anyone feeling overwhelmed by the noise, and ready to reconnect with what really feels good.Huge thanks to Activia and Irish Life Health for sponsoring The IMAGE Wellness Project. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

On this episode of Beyond the Mat, I have the pleasure of sitting down with the incredible Ella Mills, founder of Deliciously Ella and co-founder of Plants. We dive into her inspiring journey; from overcoming personal health struggles to building a global plant-based brand that has transformed the way so many people approach food and wellness. Ella opens up about the challenges of entrepreneurship, balancing life and business, and the importance of staying true to your purpose. Whether you're passionate about health, curious about plant-based living, or dreaming of starting your own business, this conversation is full of insights and honesty. Produced by Dear Media. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Welcome to The Wellness Scoop! Join Ella Mills, founder of Deliciously Ella, and Registered Nutritionist and founder of Rhitrition, Rhiannon Lambert every Monday for your weekly health inspiration.   Each episode delivers the latest wellness news, expert advice, and personal recommendations from Ella and Rhiannon—simple swaps, easy ideas, and realistic tips to help you live healthier, no matter how busy life gets.   Tune in to start your week feeling informed, inspired, and armed with tools to build a healthier, happier life - coming 13th January! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Do you think of yourself as a victim of circumstance? Ella Mills – the founder of Deliciously Ella – used to live with a sense that life was unfair to her. Now, she knows that ultimately the only person in charge of your life is you. In this chat with Fearne, Ella talks about realising apathy was a symptom of depression, and explains why sometimes you have to hit rock bottom in order to acknowledge what needs to change. Ella and Fearne also talk about why the way we eat has become so emotive and divisive. They reckon we should be focusing on sharing joyful knowledge that will make us all healthier and more energetic, so chat through some simple ways to feel good about what you're eating. Ella's latest recipe book, Healthy Made Simple, is out now. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We all know that eating fruit and veg is good for us. But how much impact can switching to a more plant-based diet really have on our health? Do plants have the power to keep us healthy and even cure ailments. Ella Mills, founder of Deliciously Ella, experienced for herself the dramatic difference a plant-based diet can make, and has since been on a mission to make it easier for the rest of us to eat more plants. Find out how we can all use plants, whether homegrown or shop-bought, to boost our health. Plus she shares quick and easy ways to squeeze more plants into meals, and make it easier for us all to eat more healthily. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rohini Bajekal, Nutritionist and Co-Author of Living PCOS Free  is a board-certified Lifestyle Medicine professional. Prior to becoming a nutritionist, she studied Theology at Oxford University. Having previously worked in India and Singapore, Rohini is based in London and provides evidence-based nutrition and lifestyle advice and group programmes to her clients around the world. She is also the Communications Lead at Plant-Based Health Professionals UKRohini co-authored her first book Living PCOS Free: How to Regain Your Hormonal Health with Polycystic Ovary Syndrome   which was published in April 2022. She also wrote the chapter on lifestyle medicine for the book How To Go Plant-Based: A Definitive Guide For You and Your Family by Ella Mills, founder of Deliciously Ella.Rohini regularly comments in the media with a focus on myth-busting around plant-based nutrition. She has been featured in publications such as The Guardian, Refinery 29, SheerLuxe, Cosmopolitan and Women's Health. She has been following a plant-based diet for almost 20 years.In this episode I draw on Rohini's personal experiences with hormonal health and we discuss how eating a varied plant-based diet is important for hormonal balance. We discuss REDs and when it's right to stop and rest from training, we also talk about how runners need to take further considerations about their nutrition.Sign up for her free newsletters at www.rohinibajekal.com and follow her on Instagram @rohinibajekal for daily tips on healthy living.

In this episode, I sit down with Matthew Mills, the CEO of Deliciously Ella. What started as a simple recipe website has blossomed into a comprehensive plant-based food and wellness platform, encompassing a restaurant, a range of food products, an app, bestselling books, and a highly engaged social media community. Matthew shares his insights on the importance of combining diverse skill sets to achieve business success. We dive into the early days of Deliciously Ella, discussing how intuition often guides initial business decisions, and how crucial data becomes as the business grows. Matthew also highlights the significance of having a diversified cash flow and a resilient business model, ensuring the company isn't easily toppled by unforeseen events. Join us as we explore Matthew's philosophy on building a brand with staying power, the careful balance between growth and stability, and the lessons learned from scaling Deliciously Ella from a blog to a beloved household name. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/alex-chisnall2/message

This week, I am bringing you something new and exciting. A mini reset. This podcast might just change the rest of your year. And it's a double whammy this week because afterwards I speak to Ella Mills aka Deliciously Ella about becoming the best version of yourself.   Today's questions: What am I doing in my life that's working for me?  What am I doing in my life that's not working for me?  What brings me joy?  What brings me peace?  What have I been holding onto for far too long?  What do I need to let go of in order to move forward? What is the feeling I would like more of in my life? Thanks Yoplait Skyr for supporting The Good Glow this season. Click here for today's recipe. Join our Good Glow Run Club Mailing List More details on our trip to Chicago

Wellness and pregnancy, when those urges come what should you be eating? Gi's guest this week is the creator of Deliciously Ella and mother of two, Ella Mills. We discuss pregnancy diets, home births and hear a true love story! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Dreaming of a fulfilling life? ✨ Join our supportive community with my LIVE weekly workshops! Every Sunday, we explore self-development, strengthen relationships, and unlock the path to financial freedom: https://shivani-pau.circle.so/checkout/join-the-connective This week I sit down with Ella Mills a food writer and businesswoman, best known for the plant-based 'Deliciously Ella' food blog and brand. Beyond the beautifully curated brand of Deliciously Ella lies a story waiting to be discovered. Ella, the inspiring woman behind it all, is not just a successful businesswoman; she embodies the message she shares with the world. Her journey began with a personal struggle. Diagnosed with postural tachycardia syndrome at university, she turned to a plant-based diet in search of relief. With unwavering determination, Ella, then a novice cook, experimented with recipes and documented them online. Little did she know, this online diary would blossom into the immensely popular blog, Deliciously Ella. Her passion blossomed into an empire; with over 130 million blog hits, a thriving social media presence, and a dedicated community, Deliciously Ella has become a force for good. Today, it encompasses supper clubs, cooking classes, a top-ranked mobile app, a best-selling cookbook, and a successful product line of breakfast cereals, energy balls, and oat bars. She's an inspiration, and I I truly hope you'll enjoy learning about her story as much as I did. KEEP IN TOUCH:

Join Caggie Dunlop in this transformative episode of Saturn Returns as she sits down with Ella Mills, the powerhouse behind Deliciously Ella.Ella Mills stands at the forefront of the vegan movement, turning her quest for health into a thriving empire. This episode takes us on a journey from Ella's early health struggles at 20, through her meteoric rise to fame, to finding balance and success in both her personal and professional life. Origin Story: Explore the beginnings of Deliciously Ella during a pivotal health crisis in Ella's life. Discover how she embraced autonomy and authority over her health, internalising the solution and setting the stage for her future. Rapid Success: Hear how Ella's personal blog exploded into a global phenomenon by the age of 23, leading to a best-selling book and overcoming imposter syndrome. Ella shares invaluable insights for young women on backing themselves and empowering others. Vision and Purpose: Ella reveals why sticking to her intentions and connecting with something greater has been crucial to her brand's global success. A discussion on purpose and the power of intention. The Reality of Entrepreneurship: An honest look at the highs and lows of business ownership, challenging the glamorised image of entrepreneurship and the societal pressure to monetize passions. Partners in Life and Business: Ella shares the unique story of how her partner became her husband and business co-founder, offering a glimpse into their intertwined personal and professional lives amidst challenges. Post-Saturn Return Wisdom: Reflecting on post-Saturn return, Ella talks about embracing her introversion, gaining clarity, and her evolving relationship with social media. Lessons in authenticity and passion. Ella's story is a testament to finding one's path and shining light on others along the way. Don't miss this inspiring episode that delves into health, empowerment, success, and the authentic journey of an introverted leader reshaping the wellness industry. Thank you Wild Nutrition for making this Episode possible. Use the Code: SATURNRETURNS for 15% off your order at www.wildnutrition.com —- Subscribe to "Saturn Returns" for future episodes, where we explore the transformative impact of Saturn's return with inspiring guests and thought-provoking discussions. Follow Caggie Dunlop on Instagram to stay updated on her personal journey and receive more empowering insights and you can find Saturn Returns on Instagram, YouTube and TikTok.  Order the Saturn Returns Book. Join our community newsletter here. Find all things Saturn Returns, offerings and more here.

We're back with Another Piece! In this bonus episode, Gregg is discussing his conversation with Ella Mills aka Deliciously Ella. With him, he's joined by two people who have quickly become ‘A Piece of Cake' legends - Di from South Wales, and Calum from London. Di and Calum are both on journeys to be the best versions of themselves, and are representing you - the everyman! It's a delicious episode, where they discuss the many benefits of having a diet which is rooted in tasty plant-based foods. For podcast updates make sure to follow Gregg on Instagram @greggwallace, and make sure to follow Ella Mills and all her incredible work @deliciouslyellaProduced by Emily Sandford, Photography by Jiksaw, Artwork by Bill Roberts & Hannah Sims, Video Footage by Samson Falodun. The Head of Comedy and Entertainment Podcasts at Global is Chris Lander

“Healthy eating is not about having a sad soggy piece of lettuce with grated carrot”. Preach. Gregg is delighted to be joined by the amazing, beating heart behind one of the world's leading Plant Based Platforms ‘Deliciously Ella'. Ella Mills is not here to convert you to go fully plant-based, but she's here to tell her healing story, and hero a diet that is rooted in plants. This episode will have you adding lentils to your bolognese, and reaping the health benefits in no time. All her advice is ‘a piece of cake'.For podcast updates make sure to follow Gregg on Instagram @greggwallace, and make sure to follow Ella Mills and all her incredible work @deliciouslyellaElla's New Book ‘Healthy Made Simple', is available now. For more information go to deliciouslyella.comProduced by Emily Sandford, Photography by Jiksaw, Artwork by Bill Roberts & Hannah Sims, Video Footage by Samson Falodun. The Head of Comedy and Entertainment Podcasts at Global is Chris Lander

Want to know how to eat yourself better? Ella Mills, founder of Deliciously Ella, shares her top tips on how to eat well and get the best out of your day Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In today's episode, I'm speaking to writer and parent educator Eloise Rickman. Eloise's work focuses mainly on challenging adultism, championing children's rights, and helping parents and educators rethink how they see children. In this episode, we touch on how diet culture shows up in gentle parenting spaces and how mainstream ideas of gentle parenting don't always challenge where power comes from and how it's leveraged. We'll also talk about kids' embodied resistance and Elosie's new book, It's Not Fair.Don't forget to leave a review in your podcast player if you enjoy this episode - or let me know what you think in the comments below.Find out more about Eloise's work here.Pre-order Eloise's new book here.Follow her on Instagram here.Follow here on Substack - Follow Laura on Instagram here.Subscribe to Laura's newsletter here.Enrol in the Raising Embodied Eaters course here. Here's the transcript in full:INTRO:Laura: Hey and welcome to the Can I Have Another Snack? podcast where we talk about appetite, bodies and identity, especially through the lens of parenting. I'm Laura Thomas, I'm an anti-diet registered nutritionist and I also write the Can I Have Another Snack? Newsletter.Today we're talking to . Eloise is a writer ( ) and parent educator. Her work focuses on challenging adultism, championing children's rights, and helping parents and educators rethink how they see children. Today we're going to talk about how diet culture shows up in gentle parenting spaces and how mainstream ideas of gentle parenting don't always challenge where power comes from and how it's leveraged. We'll also talk about kids' embodied resistance and Elosie's new book, It's Not Fair.But first - just a quick reminder that Can I Have Another Snack is entirely reader and listener supported. If you get something from the newsletter or podcast, please consider a paid subscription - it's £5/month or £50/ year which helps cover the cost of the podcast,  gives you access to our weekly subscriber only discussion threads, the monthly Dear Laura column, and the entire CIHAS archive. Head to laurathomas.substack.com to subscribe now. And thank you to everyone who is already a paid subscriber.Alright team, here's this week's conversation with Eloise Rickman. MAIN EPISODE:Laura: Alright Eloise, can you start by telling us a bit about you and your work?Eloise: Yeah, of course. And whenever I do these, I'm always absolutely terrified, that I'm gonna forget something really big , like “I'm a writer” or “I work with parents”. So yeah, I'm a writer and I work with parents. I write books about children and about children's rights.And I've just finished writing my second book, which is on the idea of children's liberation. which looks at all different sorts of topics from parenting to education to children's bodies. And alongside my writing work, I also work with parents running courses on home education and on rights-based parenting and on workshops as well.I'm also – at the same time as doing this – home educating my daughter, who at the time of recording is eight, which also kind of feels like a full time job and just because life is not complicated enough, I'm also doing a Masters in children's rights at the moment, which is brilliant.Laura: Okay, I have no idea how you find the time in the day to do all of those different things, but I am in awe. And you mentioned that you just finished writing your second book, but you didn't say what it's called.Eloise: Sorry, I didn't, you're right! So it's called It's Not Fair. Which is a title we deliberated over for a really long time, but I really like it because it's something which we hear so often from our children's mouths.It's not fair, this isn't fair. So it's called It's Not Fair: Why it's Time for a Grown Up Conversation About How Adults Treat Children. And that really does sum it up. It's really looking at how we treat children in all different aspects of life. And why a lot of that treatment isn't fair and why we need to rethink it as adults who have more power than children.Laura: Yeah, and I mean, that's really what I want us..we're going to explore these ideas a little bit in a second. But yeah, I've had a little sneaky peek of the book so far. And what I read is incredible. And I'm so excited for this book to be in people's hands because – we'll talk about this a bit more as well – but unlike a lot of just, you know, gentle parenting, like, more prescriptive books, I think that just tell you how to parent, what I really appreciate about your work is that you bring in the kind of socio-political lens, which I feel often gets missed out of a lot of these conversations. So, yeah, I'm really excited about your book coming out and we'll pop a pre-order link to it in the show notes so that people can have that little happy surprise delivered to their doorstep. There's nothing better than, just like, a book showing up that you've forgotten…  Eloise: Oh, I love it. Laura: …that you ordered six months ago! Okay. A lot of your work centers on the idea of dismantling adultism. I'm not sure that people will be completely familiar with that term, so for anyone who is just coming across it, can you explain what even is that and where do we see it show up in our kids' lives?Eloise: Absolutely, and I think you're totally right that it's not a term that most of us are familiar with at all, and I think that's a huge problem actually.You know, we are now, I think, generally, as a society, getting better at spotting things like sexism or racism or ableism, and that is really important, you know, being able to name injustice when you see it is the first step to dismantling it, to tackling it. Otherwise, how do you really know what it is that you're dealing with and why it's a problem?But yet, when we think about some of the treatment which children experience at the hands of adults, whether that's the fact that in England, at the time of recording, it's still legal to hit your child, even though we would never dream of women being allowed to be hit by their partners, or the fact that, you know, it's still really normal in so many school settings for children to be publicly humiliated, to be losing their break times and so on.All of these seem to be quite disconnected from one another because we don't have the language to join them up. And I think that's why having a word like adultism is the first step in kind of joining those dots and being able to see that children as a social group are marginalised and discriminated against vis-à-vis adults.And I think that term probably feels quite uncomfortable for a lot of us, especially if our children are relatively privileged. You know, if you have a wealthy white child who is not disabled, the idea that your child is discriminated against or is somehow marginalised might feel really shocking. Like, whoa, what do you mean?You know, our child is so lucky, but again, as we've seen with times, like with racism, we talk about white supremacy. The idea isn't that if you have white privilege, you don't have any other problems. You know, you can still be poor or disabled and still have white privilege. And I think in the same way we can see that adults have it easier in a lot of different aspects of their lives.And that doesn't mean being a child is always terrible. It just means they're discriminated against because they're children. So the idea of adultism is really just a way of referencing this age based discrimination, which children face. And I think it really encapsulates this idea that in so many of our societies, adults are seen as the kind of default position, and they are seen as more competent, more capable, more rational, more sensible than children are. And there's a wonderful academic called Manfred Liebel, who talks about these four conditions of adultism. And one of them is that children are just seen as less capable, less competent, less rational, and that they're seen as sort of unfinished. So there's this idea that you're not really a proper person until you become an adult. And that justifies a lot of adult control.Laura: Yeah. Sorry. I was just going to say, there's like this sense that, okay, well, you don't really know what you're talking about. You don't really have any kind of, like, say in what's going on until you turn 18.And, and it's almost like this idea that, yeah, your life is..it doesn't matter, anything that happens to you before 18. It's kind of like a write off somehow. Yeah. Anyway, that was just what was coming to my mind. And I'm sorry for interrupting you. I'm curious to hear more about these conditions of adultism!Eloise: Yeah, but I think that absolutely is true. And that's a really big part of it or where we don't see children's lives as important or their experience as important. And I think we're getting better now as a society at noticing when things are traumatic or when things are adverse childhood experiences, but often those are described in terms of: this has an impact when they become adults.So they have poorer earning potential or it harms their future intimate relationships, but it's not…so much of it is not focused on children's lives in the here and now, and under adultism, it's very frequent, I think, whether it's in policy documents or whether it's in the language that schools use, or whether it's in parenting manuals, this idea that childhood is this sort of preparation or training ground for when you're a real person, for when you're an adult, and that parenting, education, all of these different things, thus, should be you know, optimising the child's future life without really thinking very much about children's experiences right now. So, and some other examples of adultism as well are, that tied to this, we often think that because parents know best, parents can protect their children from things that we see as harmful. And I think this probably links quite a lot also to diet culture and the way that we see that, you know, oh, I must protect my child from ultra processed food or from sweets because I know best, but actually these things can end up being quite harmful to children because they're not given the opportunity to take risks or make mistakes or to figure out their own body's needs, decide what's best for themselves. And I think there is this real assumption that adults know best and that if a child makes a decision, which is against what adults believe is best, then the child must not be capable of making that decision yet. They must be incompetent. So even if we're saying to a child, okay, you choose. And then the child says, well, I'm going to eat all of my Hallowe'en sweets in one go, or I'm going to eat all of the, you know, chocolates out of my Christmas stocking in one go. And then the adult says, well, actually that shows they can't be trusted. And next time we'll have to, you know, divvy them out or give them more slowly. And I think that sense that children cannot make good decisions if they vary from what we as adults believe are good decisions, also have a wider consequence in that children are really excluded from political decision making.And I think this is twofold, both in terms of the fact that children can't vote, which as you're listening to this, you might think, ‘well, of course children can't vote, you know, why would they be able to vote? They're only children.' But yet, this is exactly the kind of argument which used to be made for women not being able to vote.And actually, over the course of history, we've seen huge changes in which populations were seen to be considered sort of capable and sound of mind and able to take part in the very scary business of voting and putting a cross in a box. And again, there are lots of people now challenging this, but I think just the very fact that we have a whole section of society who we say ‘you don't have a voice' is really important to grapple with.I think there could be an argument made for this if our politicians were genuinely taking children's voices, views, concerns into account. But as we've seen with things like education funding, childcare funding, the complete lack of any sort of meaningful action on the climate crisis, children's priorities and futures aren't being safeguarded by those in power. And we tend to have very short termist political structures. Which again, exacerbates this sort of, you know, serving adult populations, but actually the things that children need, the things that are important to children get completely left out of the conversation.Laura: Yeah. Oh, I mean, I don't even really know where, where to kind of go from there. I think you've just…Eloise: Sorry, it's a lot!Laura: It is, it's a lot. And you summed it up. And I think, like, what I kept thinking about as you were speaking is, I think, there is this, like, notion or fantasy that we're not living in Victorian workhouse era, kind of, you know, we're not putting kids into workhouses anymore.And there's this sort of sense that, like, childhood is held in such high esteem, such high regard, like…But what you're saying is there's a real disconnect, right, between this kind of, like, fantasy of childhood versus the reality of how we're treating our children. Do you know what I mean?Eloise: Absolutely. Yeah, totally. And I think that's exactly right.And I think, again, to a lot of people, it will seem strange to talk about children being discriminated against because we're spending, you know, hundreds of pounds on Christmas presents for the children in our families or because we are seeing that children now have access to all these cool opportunities that we didn't when we were their age. And we tend to think that childhood is generally getting better. And in some ways it is, you know, in terms of things like corporal punishment, we are actually getting better as a society. Fewer children are being smacked. It's becoming less normalised, but there is still this real disconnect between the fact that children are…in some circumstances have better material goods, except we're definitely not seeing that for everyone. And actually, you know, as we know in the UK, one in three children more or less lives in poverty, which is a huge political issue in terms of adultism, actually. And it is a real…it's a political choice rather than just a side effect.And, you know, we might not need to get into it now, but there have been lots and lots of policy decisions over the last decade or so, which have pushed families deeper and deeper into poverty. But even for those of us living in very privileged households, we might see, oh yes, well, my child now has an iPad or my child has this, that or the other.But actually in terms of the things that really matter to children, having a safe, healthy environment, having the freedom to be able to go out and see their friends without being overly controlled, having privacy, having independence. We're not really doing much better on any of those sort of key indicators, really. And that power discrepancy. And I think that power is probably the main word in all of this, that adults still have the say, adults still have a final decision. Adults still have more power in our families…hasn't changed since those times. And I think that's what we're really needing to grapple with now.Laura: And I think that that is shifting a little bit in terms of kind of the explosion of gentle parenting, which I think is a concept that probably most of the listeners are familiar with. But just for anyone who isn't, do you think that you could maybe just, like, give your…because I know there's no, like, one set definition of gentle or respectful parenting, but can you tell us a bit about what that concept means to you?Eloise: Yeah, of course. So I think the way that gentle parenting, in a kind of mainstream definition of books like…well, I'm not going to name a lot, but you know, any kind of gentle parenting book you might walk into Waterstones and pick up off the shelf will tend to be much more child focused than, you know, Gina Ford type parenting books.So it will focus on, you know, how is your child feeling, validating their emotions, listening to them, not making them feel bad for crying or for having strong feelings, for trying to work together with them to fix problems rather than just doling out punishments, you know, not putting children in timeouts, really listening to them, having a very warm, nurturing relationship with children.It doesn't necessarily have to go into attachment parenting, but I think there is a sense in gentle parenting that the real aim is trying to have this loving relationship with your child, where they feel heard, they feel listened to, they feel seen. For me, that feels like such a positive move forward collectively as a society.I know that my mum for example feels that she might have parented in a different way had she had more options around at the time. I'm sure my grandparents would have also parented in a very different way if they had had access to some of these ideas. So I think as a society we're definitely moving in the right way.I think the piece for me that feels still sort of missing from gentle parenting, is a lot of it still doesn't question this fundamental aspect of child-parent relationships, which is that it is a fundamentally unequal power dynamic. So what traditional gentle parenting will do, I don't know if you or anyone listening has heard of this idea of these different sort of parenting styles from someone called Diana Baumrind, who talked about. On the one hand you have the authoritarian parenting. She's very strict, very cold, has very high expectations of children's behaviour. On the other side, she talked about permissive parenting. Which is very warm, but has very low expectations of children. So, you know, you might imagine a kind of warm chaos where the kids are kind of running around doing whatever.Laura: Right. There's no, there are very few boundaries. It's a bit more of a…Eloise: Very few boundaries.Laura: Free for all.Eloise: Free for all. It's chaos. Yeah. Kids are in charge kind of idea. Then she posited for actually the middle ground, which I think is what a lot of gentle parenting writers will refer to, is that in the middle you have what she kind of called authoritative parenting, which is both very warm, seeks to understand the child, seeks to not have too many rules, but yet still has those expectations in terms of behaviour.So, you know, you're going to step in if you see your child drawing on the walls or going to hit their sibling, you know, you're going to have expectations, for example, of how dinner times might be held or how you greet other people. And I think this is where a lot of gentle parenting books sit, in this idea that you have power as a parent, but you use it benevolently to try and do your best for your child.And I have a lot of sympathy for that. You know, I think as parents we're under so much pressure to do well, to do right, especially when we're told from so much developmental psychology, but the impact of these early years on children is so important and it's going to ruin your child's life. But I think for me, what feels like perhaps the next step, and I think we're already starting to see more and more conversations doing this, is being able to step outside of that sort of traditional view that you're either very authoritarian or permissive or you're kind of somewhere in between and remove ourselves from that entirely and say, well, what about the power dynamics?What if parents weren't the ones in charge, but actually we were in partnership with children, making decisions collectively and aiming for respectful relationships just as we would do in our romantic partnerships, in our friendships, in our work relationships of just being humans in the world, trying to figure out how to get along together in as respectful a way as possible.And obviously this is much, much easier said than done. I am absolutely not doing this all the time in my own parenting, let's be really clear. But for me, that feels like the conversation we need to be having more of. And alongside that, it needs to be not just looking at the parent child relationship.Which I think again, a lot of traditional parenting books will do, but really trying to understand that your parenting is impacted by so many things. You know, we live in a capitalist society and the fact that so much of our society is based on getting parents away from their children, separating families out, trying to put children into often very underfunded childcare systems, school systems, making it almost impossible for parents to be relaxed when they're having to work sometimes two, three jobs where they're dealing with poverty, where they're worried about the climate crisis, you know, these things don't happen in a vacuum. And I think it is completely unrealistic to be talking about having this beautiful, you know, egalitarian, no power differentiation relationship with our children, when we're not also trying to dismantle the many, many, many structural issues which are keeping us stressed and exhausted and, you know, kind of triggered by our children as well.Laura: Yeah. As I was preparing to speak to you, I was thinking about a couple of New York Times articles that came out, I think it was last year, that really pushed back on gentle parenting.And then I also saw something in Romper yesterday that was like, you know, here are 10 reasons why gentle parenting doesn't work for my family. And to me, I have a lot of, like, sympathy for parents who are trying out these tools, these ideas, these suggestions, which, you know, may or may not be helpful for them. But, you know, like maybe they buy into the idea sort of cognitively and emotionally, but then when they, when they put it into practice, like it all kind of falls apart for them. And it seems like with those NYT articles and, and with the Romper piece, it really was just missing the lens of like all the systemic and social stuff that we're kind of dealing with that makes it so much more difficult to have a kind of equal distribution of power in those relationships and and not, not sort of a certain power over but but you know giving power to our children to have some autonomy to have some say in their their day and over their bodies and what they want to do it all just feels so impossible when we have yeah like capitalism breathing down our neck, colonialism breathing down our neck, racism, ableism, anti-fat bias, like all of these systems that are, are making our lives so much more difficult.They have an impact on gentle parenting or our ability to parent, but it's not, it's not the, the gentle parenting in and of itself. That's the problem, right? It's all the other shit that we're dealing with.Eloise: Absolutely. Yeah. And like you say, I think there is a fundamental sometimes misread of gentle parenting, but it's just another tool. You know, you do this because you want your child to be more empathetic to their peers, or because you want them to learn more moderation in the long run, or because you want them to be able to self regulate their emotions. And some children absolutely will do all of those things. So there's lots of research showing that actually, if you want children who do tend to have more pro social behaviors, as they're called, that being very controlling, being authoritarian is not the way to do that. And the more we punish children, the more there are lots of different outcomes, all of which are pretty negative. But I think that still misses this wider picture that fundamentally we don't, for example, decide to not punish our daughter or not shout at her or not put her in timeout because we think that's the best way to create a good, happy person. Laura: Compliant child. Eloise: Yeah, we do it because it feels really fucking unfair. Like, I wouldn't want it if my husband was like, ‘Hey, I don't like the way you just spoke to me. So I'm going to remove your debit card for two days'. You know, that would be abuse. We would call that abuse.He, you know, I wouldn't like it if one of my friends was like, ‘Oh, you replied to my text a bit late'. Or like, ‘I didn't like that you didn't, you know, you, you missed something out. So I'm just going to ghost you for a while.' You know, that's not how we have relationships with people we care about, but yet we have completely normalised this way of treating children.And I think that, yeah, there's a missing piece, which so many of those big New York Times and so on articles seem to miss is that this is not about having another method. This is just about fundamentally treating children like fellow human beings in a respectful way.Laura: Yeah, you're so right, that oftentimes we're kind of weaponising gentle parenting as a, like as a ‘nice' way, inverted commas, a ‘kind' way, caring way to try and control and manipulate our children. Eloise: Yes, totally. Laura:  Like, again, I get that. I get why, like, you know, having some tools in your toolkit so that your kid will put their fucking socks on or brush their teeth in the morning so you can get out the door, like why that's helpful. And yeah, if we're doing it solely for the purposes of compliance, that in and of itself can become problematic because it's another way that you're kind of leveraging power, I think.It's a complicated, kind of topic to discuss. Sorry, I'm having like a few different thoughts of where to go! I think maybe I'll stick with gentle parenting just because we've kind of been on that topic. And I was saying to you off mic that I have a feeling that gentle parenting has a diet culture problem.And what sort of spurred this was a reel that I saw, I think just before Hallowe'en. So we're recording this at the beginning of November. We've just had Hallowe'en a couple of weeks ago and there was a kind of quite well known, like, I guess they're gentle parenting influencer coach? I don't know what you would, you would call them.And they basically were talking about how they only let their kid have, I think it was like a cake pop or something on special occasions, which turned out to be like three times a year. And I was like, I was just waiting for people to send me this reel and be like, what, what do you think of this? And the first person to send it to me was Molly Forbes from Body Happy Org. And she was like, gentle parenting has a diet culture problem. And I wanted to get your take on that. Is this something you've seen in, not necessarily gentle parenting, I'm sort of picking on that, but like in children's liberation spaces where there's kind of like a, we want to change the power structures so much. But when it comes to food, and policing bodies, there seems to be like a bit of a disconnect there.Eloise: So I think there are two different strands to this. And I think maybe first we can talk about the kind of more, I guess, like mainstream Instagram version of sort of gentle parenting, which I think absolutely does have a diet culture problem. And then maybe we can talk a bit about this idea of children's liberation, which I think to me feels much less…you know, a lot of the people I know who are talking about children's liberation are also talking about fat liberation, around black liberation, around disability liberation.Laura: Right. They have that intersectional lens on. Yeah. And I think that's a really important distinction. So I'm glad, I'm glad that you made that. Cause like my next question is, was going to be, could you tell us more about, you know, children's liberation. So yeah, I'm really glad that you kind of separated out those two strands.So maybe start with the, like, Instagram…which I can see, just like, I can see the despair in your face. I think it seems like how I feel a lot about, like, a lot of kids feeding stuff online is probably how you feel about a lot of parenting stuff.Eloise: Yeah. Again, I think so much of it means well, but I think there is quite a big intersection between sort of like gentle parenting influencers on the one hand and wellness culture. And I think that often goes really hand in hand. So this idea of kind of like crunchy parenting, you see it a lot as well in homeschool spaces. So obviously I home educate my daughter. I follow home ed accounts. I often get shown stuff in my, like, what is it, like, ‘Explore' section of my Instagram. And I think depending on where you hang out online, there is a really strong mix of, you know, I home educate my children and I gentle parent, and I also use essential oils. And I also don't ever buy processed food and all of these things coming together in a very aesthetically beautiful and pleasing package, which doesn't…  Laura: Ballerina Farm effect. Eloise: Totally. Yeah. I'd love to know if Ballerina Farm has a, like a secret snack cupboard with her kids. It's just like a munching on dandelions.Laura: Sourdough and yeah, dandelion butter.Eloise: Yeah, absolutely. And again, I think that is this sense from people who maybe were raised, you know, lots of us were raised in the eighties, the eighties, especially in the UK, didn't have great culinary vibes. Sure, like I get that we want to do better.Laura: I grew up in Scotland, we had battered Mars bars. I don't know what you're talking about.Eloise: That sounds great, sign me up. Yeah, I think that sometimes we can maybe go too far or not go far enough. So a great example of this for me feels like the division of responsibility approach to family meals, which I think for so many people feels like, yes, this is kind of different to how I was raised, you know, this isn't about children finishing their plates or being reserved the same meal until they finished it.You know, you really do hear some horror stories when it comes to people and their relationships with food, which started, as so many things do, when they were children. Yeah. And so I totally get that there is this searching for something better. And I think for some people, this idea of division of responsibility, which I'm sure people will be familiar with as they're listening to your podcast, but this idea that I choose what to serve and I choose when to serve it, but you choose what to eat. It looks nice on the surface, but again, it doesn't have any of that interrogation of a power again, like I'm going to sound like a broken record, but imagine if my husband was like, ‘right, I've planned out all of our meals for the week, all of the snacks, all of our meal times, but like you can choose. It's up to you, babe. You know, if you want it, you can have it. If not, have shit.' And I feel like, again, we wouldn't do this to people who were not children. You know, we might do it to people at institutions, but again, is that really what we want to be going for? And I think a lot of this is done with real love. You know, we want our children to be healthy. We want our children to be happy. We're constantly told in every aspect of our lives, if you have a fat child, they will be miserable and unhappy and unhealthy. And that's the worst possible thing you can do as a parent. And I think that unless you have really engaged with anti-diet culture, fat liberation culture, I can see the appeal of this quite like wellness, you know, Deliciously Ella style approach to feeding children, which I think goes really hand in hand with this idea of wooden toys and gentle parenting and kind of slightly alternative living, but which is packaged up in a very kind of consumerist way. Laura: Totally. Yeah. Yeah. I've talked before about not being a division of responsibility purist and kind of going back to what you were talking about before about authoritarian versus permissive, is that right? And then, yeah, I always get confused, authoritative is kind of in this, in the middle.  And I think a lot of people do position the division of responsibility as being that middle ground. And in a lot of ways, I think, especially when kids are really little, it can be like a really helpful way to kind of parse out and, and help kids kind of understand like hunger and fullness cues, for example, and things like that. But yeah, like as kids get older, they, like, want to have a bit more autonomy over what they're eating. They want to have some decision making power. Why, why wouldn't they, right? Like you say, we make decisions about what we're eating all the time. And if somebody tried to stop us from doing that, we would like, yeah, throw a conniptions. So yeah, I think this is where the, the responsive feeding piece comes in, where it can be really helpful, is that it can be containing for a child to have sort of set meal times, you know, to know like, okay, I will always provide breakfast. I will always provide lunch. I will always provide dinner and, you know, snacks are maybe sort of like somewhere in the middle there. Yeah. I think having that, like a bit of structure can. In the same way that boundaries can be helpful, that that can be helpful. But yeah, if we are then, especially as kids get older and start socialising with people outside of our families and you know, are going to like, you know, outside of primary school, going into secondary school and have more, you know, have their own money to buy things, for example, if we are then still trying to like micromanage every single aspect of what they're eating. Then, yeah, that's really, really unhelpful. And I guess I never really thought of it so much as through the sort of like lens of power dynamics, but I think that that's a really important piece that you're, you're bringing to that conversation. What do you see in terms of, like, in those same spaces around like conversations about sweets and restriction and that kind of thing? I'd love to hear, yeah, what you see around that.Eloise: Yeah, I mean, you can probably imagine, I think. And again, I think there is a real diversity. So I'm kind of caricaturing a bit here. And I think it's also important to say that, like, with all of these conversations…you know, we were just talking about division of responsibility.I think that is quite a big gulf between, say, a wealthy influencer who is talking about this stuff and someone who genuinely has no choice about just serving three meals a day because they've just been to a food bank. So I think all of these questions around, like, giving children choice and being able to be very child led still do come with quite a privileged lens.I have to say again, you know, in terms of sweets and things, I have seen people being like, here's how to make your own fruit flavoured gummies and switch these out instead. And, you know, look, I have no problem with any of this. I enjoy cooking. So that's something…like, I've never made my own gummies, but I would absolutely, you know, I sometimes make our own cakes or biscuits or bread.It's fun. It's part of, like, eating nice food. I enjoy doing it. But I think this idea that to be a kind of good parent, you have to restrict…often the discourse is around, like, refined sugars…seed oil. That's a new thing that I haven't really engaged with. Laura: Don't, don't, don't.Eloise: E numbers, red dye, all of this stuff. And again, look, I get it. I get that you want to give your child a healthy diet. And, you know, I think I would be hypocritical…like we also try and give our daughter a pretty balanced diet where she has access to lots of vegetables and fruits alongside things typically kind of coded as unhealthy, like chocolate or crisps. But for me, it just feels like it makes such a big issue out of these foods.And then…you know, I say this as someone who, as a child, had quite restricted food. So I had really bad eczema as a young child, and my parents were also on a very low income, and so we didn't just have a snack drawer with loads of like pre-packaged snacks, you know, that wouldn't have been in my parents budget, and also with terrible eczema, my mum… She was quite a young parent.She, you know, she didn't know what to do with it. And she went to lots of doctors. They couldn't help. We tried all sorts of different things. And one of the things she tried was cutting out refined sugar, for example, because people had told her this might help. So for a lot of different reasons, I had quite, like, a restricted upbringing in terms of, again, things typically coded as like ‘junk food'. And I really saw the impact that that had on me as I grew older and had access to my own money or had access to, you know, food choices at school. And I remember being absolutely mystified going to friends' houses that they could have cupboards with, like, chocolate and crisps in and not just want to sit and eat the whole thing because like, ‘Oh my God, you have chocolate and crisps. Why wouldn't you want to eat the whole thing?' And I think for me that has served as quite a powerful reminder of so many of the brilliant conversations I see, like the ones you have had around not overly restricting certain types of food. And I've really seen it in action with my daughter as well, where we're pretty chill about what she wants to eat.It's her body, you know, we might have some conversations if she was wanting to eat doughnuts for every meal. What has been really fascinating is just seeing that because this stuff has never been separated out from other foods. She isn't hugely fussed. And again, you know, sometimes she is. Hallowe'en, it's really exciting to have access to all these new different chocolates.Laura: Totally. The goal is not to take the pleasure out of food like that, right? Like, I think that's sometimes what parents…the interpretation of sort of the message that I'm trying to communicate and other people in this space are trying to communicate is that we want to, like, burn kids out on sweets so that they never eat them again.That's not it. Like, food is joyful and pleasurable and like, that's, you know, especially in the context of kids not having any, like, any autonomy or any power over anything. Like, can we just throw them a fucking bone and give them some chocolate, right? I really appreciate what you were saying Eloise about, well, there were just a couple of things that I think, are really important to highlight, you know, in these conversations that a lot of people don't have the choice, right, to offer their kids a more liberal access to sweets and chocolates and crisps and things. And, and the restriction is born out of poverty and deprivation rather than what I think we see in a lot of sort of more privileged well to do spaces where, you know, people may have, can afford plenty of, I don't know, Oreos, but they're not providing their kids access to them. And yeah, I think also the piece around having complex medical needs where you might have no choice, even if there's an allergy or something where it's also really difficult to provide kids the things that you would like to provide them all of the time.So it's not a straightforward conversation and I'm glad that you kind of brought in that complexity. Something else that you mentioned was, you know, if you separate out the kind of like Instagram aesthetic approach to gentle parenting versus kind of more of a radical approach to parenting that is rooted in children's liberation. Can you tell me more about that and yeah, how, how things feel different in that space?Eloise: Definitely. So a very potted history is that people started talking about children's liberation with that language in the 1970s with writers like John Holt, who some people will be familiar with. He writes a lot about alternative education…wrote. And people like A.S. Neill, who founded the Summerhill School, which again is like a big radical school in the UK. But the children's liberation of the time – as many of the writing in the 70s was – was very radical, so it was sort of based on this idea that children should be given the exact same rights as adults, even when it came to things like sexual relationships or information in terms of, you know, children should be allowed to watch whatever movies they wanted to.I think some of these ideas are still absolutely worth exploring and engaging with today, but obviously some of them will be very radical. And I think what he missed…this was before the UN declaration on the rights of a child. And I think what that did is for the first time brought together this idea that children have lots of different rights. They have rights to be protected as well, as well as being able to participate fully in society and to be provided with basic levels of, you know, healthcare and decent quality of living and so on. And I think children's liberation now has to be able to grapple with these things. So the idea that yes, children…we should be fundamentally trying to rethink these power differences, but they do need to be also rooted in the understanding that children's needs are a bit different from adults and that we can still assume that children are competent and still listen to children's voices and involve them in every aspect of society without having to go as far as absolute like legal equality. So we can still give them equality in their rights and equality and just dignity in how they're treated. So for me, this is what Children's Liberation is really trying to do. It's this idea that it's a way to sort of combat adultism that we talked about earlier and really trying to see children as complete people who are able to have a say in every aspect of their lives and where they're really trusted. But that goes alongside having adults around who are also willing to provide support and care too. And I think that then when you start looking at things like food from this perspective, you really see it as just a wider aspect of children's bodily autonomy of being able to choose what happens to their bodies and for children to be able to learn and make mistakes. And yes, have it within these really loving, supportive relationships, either with parents or with other people where, you know, if your child is routinely eating so much chocolate that they're making themselves sick. Then of course, you know, I'm not saying, well, you just ignore it and you think, well, this is a great learning experience. Although it might be if they did it once, you know, this is about sitting down and having a conversation just like we would do with any other thing. And saying, how are you feeling? This is what I'm noticing. Do you want to talk about different strategies? You know, we can also have these just really being in relationship with our children and trying to figure these things out as a team. I think it's fine to have conversations with children around, okay, we don't buy this food because X, Y, Z, or as a family we prioritise X, Y, Z. Does that feel cool with you? You know, is this working for you? It's not about making sure that…you know, sometimes I see the opposite position as well. Like, you know, mothers are already so stressed. Do you expect us to be short order chefs? Of course not. But it can be as much as checking in when you're doing the grocery shop and just being like, ‘Hey, are there any meals you especially want to eat over the coming week? Is there anything, this was what I was thinking, is there anything here you really don't like the sound of?'And you know, sometimes I cook stuff that my daughter doesn't like and that's fine. But I just have the assumption then that she can eat something else and I'm not going to be cross at her for doing that. Again, just as I would with my partner, I'd be like…I know the kind of foods he likes. I will sometimes prioritise those and I'll sometimes prioritise the stuff that I like. You know, it's just about being in relationship together. But I think we are getting better at highlighting where children are able to consent, for example. And I think that food is such an important part of that. And it's also such an important part of children's sort of embodied resistance when they feel that they don't have enough power.You know, we tend to see a child pushing their plate away and being like, I don't like it. I don't want it, as bad behaviour or being overtired and maybe they are overtired, but also maybe they're really fed up of having their meals controlled all the time, and that's something we should at least be exploring.Laura: Yeah, I love that in your book you have a chapter on, I forget what the title is, but it's sort of the intersection of children's liberation and body liberation. What's the title of the chapter?Eloise: It's called Body PoliticsLaura: Body Politics. There you go. And I love the way that you talk about embodied resistance and how children literally will protest with their bodies, like things that don't feel good, that things that don't feel uncomfortable.And I think like you say, so often that's written off as they're tired or they're hungry or, or something like that. But oftentimes they're like really giving us a clue as to how they're feeling. ‘No, I don't want more food, like, forced into my body. No, I don't want to eat that particular thing. I don't want to… whatever it is. Like I'm fed up. I'm feeling like I don't have any agency or autonomy in any of these situations.' And the only way that I can exert that is through, like, stiffening my body and going, like turning it into a plank so that you can't get me in the bath or whatever it is. I really love that section in that chapter where you talk about that.Is there anything else that you wanted to say? Because again, like the intersection of children's liberation and body liberation or body politics is like, it's so much more than just food, right? That's kind of my, like, bias, but you talk about a lot of other intersections. in the book, and I'm wondering if there's anything else that you wanted to say, anything that feels really pertinent right now.Eloise: Yeah, I mean, I think we're getting really good as women at noticing how things to do with our bodies are actually deeply political, whether that's diet culture, whether that's the way that we're marketed anti-ageing products too, whether that's abortion rights. There are so many different aspects to this, but we tend to see that these are political and that they can be engaged with in these political ways.But again, I think we miss the nuance of this when we're talking about children's bodies, whereas actually even from the tiniest age, the way that we manage, measure, control, discipline children's bodies are all so deeply political and are all tied into all of these different ideas. And I think what we really see with diet culture is it becomes yet another thing that adults do to children from a young age and then children inevitably will often learn to do this to themselves and we see this in other things too, you know, and not all of it is bad. For example, many of us will teach our children table manners because we know that eventually it will help them later on in life because, I don't know, people will treat them better because they'll see that oh, my child is not speaking with the mouth full or whatever.And that's part of that is just the social norms of whatever society you live in. And as we can see, table manners look radically different across the world. But sometimes, you know, and we can see, I think there are really strong parallels with diet culture and with the way that we treat neurodivergent children in terms of kind of masking.And, you know, when you talk to lots of autistic adults or adults who are neurodivergent in other ways. They talk about how as children, they really had to learn to mask. And so much of that would have been adult led, you know, telling your child, don't wriggle, don't do that. Don't make that noise or your teachers at school…don't do that.And then as adults, they've kind of internalised those things. And they don't do it and they mask so much and then, you know, so many autistic adults now will talk about this process of unmasking and de-masking and learning how to sit in yourself in a way that to me feels very much in parallel with people who as adults come to this idea of being anti-diet culture, of fat liberation, of trying to slowly unlearn these habits of how we look at our bodies and how we feed ourselves and so on.And I mean, you can see in other aspects too, but to me, they feel, like, so strongly linked. And once we start recognising this, you know, so much of it is about how – and you've written beautifully about this in the past – how as children, we are so embodied, you know, we make sense of the world through our bodies.We often…most children, unless children are very unwell, will find joy in their bodies. They'll move their bodies, they'll make noises, they'll explore things. And gradually as they get older, and sometimes from a really quite heartbreakingly young age, they will learn to start being critical around their bodies, judging their bodies, comparing their bodies to other people.And I think that, again, if we are thinking about this in terms of adultism and how we can start to dismantle it, I think thinking about this lens of what does society expect of children? In my book, I use the term, we have this sort of normative view of children or what a ‘normal' child should be, whether that's in terms of our physical development, what their body looks like, their emotional development, their intellectual development, and at every stage of children's lives, starting before children are even born, you know, we're ranking them, we're plotting their centiles.Laura: Fundal height! Yeah. Eloise: Yeah, absolutely. And we're figuring out, you know, what “abnormalities” our children might have, you know, I've put that in scare quotes. And as parents. Or educators, if you've got teachers listening, we're so used to now viewing children through this deficit lens of, ‘oh, you're too fat. You're too noisy. You're not smart enough'. Rather than just seeing children as these glorious individuals who all have differences and who all bring different stuff to the table. Laura: Yeah, I love that. And I really, really love the parallels that you drew between unmasking and kind of unlearning a lot of the things that we have internalised around diet-culture, around policing our bodies. I'd never made that connection in quite that way before. And I think it's, it's really powerful. And particularly when you think about it through the lens of adultism and, and how so much of, so much masking is learned because of adults expectations and the power that adults hold over children. Likewise, you know, so much of the healing from diet culture involves unlearning the messages that we internalise from our, you know – and again, well meaning most of the time – caregivers that in a lot of ways we're probably trying to keep us safe, but in a sort of misplaced kind of way. So yeah, I appreciate that and I love that final sentiment that you had there around just embracing the differences that children have and, and the unique qualities that they bring and, and sort of…yeah, just kind of going back to what we talked about earlier, just really like having an appreciation for who they are right now, even if they're not adults, but the things that they have to bring to the table and that, that they have to offer, like in the here and now rather than waiting until they like ripen and mature or whatever. They're kind of bad analogies people use. I really appreciate this conversation. Thank you so much Eloise. Before I let you go though I would like for you to share your snack. So at the end of every episode my guest and I share something that they've been snacking on can be anything, a literal snack, a book, a podcast, a TV show, something you're wearing, whatever.What do you have for us today?Eloise: So I've got a great book, which fits actually really nicely and kind of accidentally with the theme of this conversation today, which is called Trust Kids. And it's edited by someone called Carla Joy Bergman. And it is this wonderful collection of, she's got some essays in there, interviews. Some of the interviews are between parents and their children. They've also got young people writing some of the essays. There's poetry in there, so it's kind of something for everyone and it deals with lots of different themes, including lots of themes around bodies as well. And it is great. And because of its format, you know, no piece is more than I would say four or five pages, so it is perfect to snack on. And especially as a parent or caregiver, you know how it is. Your kid is engaged in something, so you grab a book for two minutes and it's perfect to read while the kettle is boiling, whatever else you've got going on. And it is brilliant. So I can really recommend it.Laura: Oh, I've heard of that book. It's been kind of on my, like, to read list, but I haven't got around to it yet. So thank you for the little nudge there. I'll link to it in the show notes so other people can check it out. And I really, I've been struggling to read lately. So the thought of, like, dipping in and out of something is really appealing.Okay. So my snack is, well, today is actually my husband's birthday. So I guess my snack is birthdays in general. We've got our birthday tree up, which I've talked about before. It's a big bright pink Christmas tree, basically that we decorate with like happy birthday lights. There's balloons everywhere. And this morning we had a delivery from Flavourtown.Do you know Flavourtown Bakery? Yeah, Eloise knows. So we've got chocolate sprinkle cupcakes. They look amazing. I'm very excited about them. And we're going out for dinner tonight as well. So like, yeah, just the whole like birthdays, but specifically Flavourtown cake. If you haven't had it, they do like vegan options. They do gluten free options and just like regular. And they're like American style, like loads of frosting. You can get, like, rainbow cakes. You can get ones with Biscoff. Like if you like a really saccharine, sweet, indulgent cake, then these are the ones for you. All right, Eloise, before I let you go, could you let everyone know where they can find out more about you and remember to say the name of your book one more time, uh, so that people can pre order.Eloise: So yes, my book, It's Not Fair: Why it's Time to Have a Grown Up Conversation About How Adults Treat Children. You can pre order it. It's out in June. It's very exciting. I can't wait for you all to read it. And then I'm also on Instagram @mightymother_. And I also have a Substack called Small Places, which is probably the best place to kind of find out more broadly about my work and find links to ongoing things as well. So yeah, those are the best places.Laura: We will link to all of those in the show notes so that people can find you. I really appreciate this conversation. Thanks so much for coming on. Eloise: Thank you so much for having me. 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Ella Mills, founder of Deliciously Ella is a writer, businesswoman and advocate of our 'health being our wealth'. But how did her journey start and 10 years on what still motivates Ella to be a face for change? Georgie Ainslie talks about why we must embrace conversations on gut health, make better habits and look past the sceptics with Ella in this weeks Performance People Podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We're back for Season 17 with a brilliant episode as Ella Mills, the force behind Deliciously Ella, delves into her journey of shaking up the food scene. In a candid conversation, Ella confronts the preconceptions about veganism and dishes out the rich flavours of her plant-based life. Plus for more information, visit Rhitrition.com, Instagram.com/rhitrition, Rhitritionplus.com, Instagram.com/rhitritionplus. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Dans cet épisode, je partage avec vous mes conseils pour dire adieu au blues de début d'année et apprendre à apprécier davantage l'hiver ! Bonne écoute !--

Ella Mills is the best-selling food writer and founder of Deliciously Ella, the food blog-turned-brand which she created in 2012 after a sudden debilitating illness led her to overhaul her diet and turn to plant-based foods as a way to get better. Since then, Mills has become a key player in bringing healthy food to the mainstream, with a brand whose 100 plant-based, additive-free products are now sold in all major UK supermarkets, and whose revenue is estimated to be £20 million. But this huge success has come with vicious trolling and personal attacks online - and it's only now that Mills has finally come to terms with it. Today on Ways to Change the World, she tells Krishnan Guru-Murthy about the story behind Deliciously Ella, why a change in our diets towards more fresh, plant-based foods cannot happen unless the government steps in, and acknowledging the difference between her privilege and her business success. Produced by Silvia Maresca.  

The Simply Vegan Podcast is bought to you by the UK's only vegan magazine, Vegan Food & Living. Hosted by magazine editor Holly Johnson and NEW co-host Em-J for January 2024, join us every Thursday as we chat to some of the inspirational people helping to grow the vegan movement – from chefs and influencers to athletes and doctors.Holly and Em-J kick off this week's show by discussing some of the 2024 Veganuary launches, including Aldi's Plant Menu Smoked Salmon and Costa's collab with BOSH!, before looking at the latest study from The Vegan Society on the amount the NHS could save if we all went vegan. We also share our recent dinnertime wins and fails, before our debate of the week – should you keep non-vegan gifts?Holly also chats to Lisa Morris, who works for our sponsor company SUMA, about the unique way they work and some of the exciting new products currently hitting the shelves.And in part 2, don't miss our in-depth chat with the Deliciously Ella founder, Ella Mills! Ella shares her journey from chronic illness to the epitome of health via a whole food, plant-based diet and provides us with tips for eating well when life is busy or you just don't have the energy to cook. She also explains why she prefers to use the term plant-based over 'vegan' and why she started food blogging despite never being a real 'foodie'. Notes from today's show• Watch You Are What You Eat: A Twin Experiment on Netflix. • Buy the Juicy Marbles Ribs at juicymarbles.com.• Ella Mills' new book, Healthy Made Simple (£22) is out now, at Waterstones and all good bookshopsSupport your favourite vegan podcast – and help the movement grow!• Follow our new co-host Em-J Williams at @emjedit• Follow Holly at @holly_anne_johnson• Leave us a review and share this episode with friends• Tag us in your social posts @simplyveganpodcast and @veganfoodandliving• Try an issue of Vegan Food and Living for just 99p at veganfoodandliving.com/podcast Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode, I spoke with Dr. Alan Desmond, a leading gastroenterologist and gut health advocate. Dr. Desmond highlights the profound impact of poor digestive health on overall well-being, suggesting that normalizing gut function can potentially add a decade to one's life expectancy, a fact that deeply resonated with me.We also discuss the crucial role of a healthy, whole food plant-based diet in reducing the risk of chronic illnesses and promoting vitality. It's eye-opening to realize the influence of our food choices on our health.Furthermore, Dr. Desmond explores the fascinating gut-brain connection, emphasizing the importance of nurturing our gut microbiome for a healthy gastrointestinal tract, immune system, and body.In conclusion, Dr. Desmond encourages us to leverage modern medicine and be mindful of our food choices. Join us on this enlightening episode of the Visibly Fit podcast as we delve into the world of gut health and learn how to optimize our digestive function for a healthier, more fulfilling life.Timestamp: [00:00] Welcome to the Visibly Fit Podcast with Wendie Pett[00:38] Introduction to Dr. Alan Desmond[04:58] Dr. Alan's Background and Entry into Whole Food Plant-Based Teaching[10:01] The Connection Between Food and Digestive Health[14:12] A Healthy diet prevents digestive disease[19:00] Healing through plant-based lifestyle changes[21:14] A Patient's Triumph Over Chronic Illness and Gestational Diabetes[27:37] Preventing chronic illness: Ten years of health[32:30] The Gut-Brain Connection and The Role of the Gut Microbiome[38:33] Discussion on Poop, Bowel Movement, and Bristol stool chart[42:50] Stool Volume and Dietary Habits in Different Regions[44:26] Importance of Early Detection for Digestive Health Problems[47:05] Squatty Potty for better posture during bowel movements[49:24] Dr. Desmond's Faith[51:39] ConclusionResources mentioned:Instagram: www.instagram.com/dr.alandesmondFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DrAlanDesmond/Website: www.alandesmond.comThe Plant-Based Diet Revolution: 28 Days to a Healthier You: https://a.co/d/3rdBqSr Dr Desmond's scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Alan-Desmond-2Connect with today's guest:Dr Alan Desmond MB, BCh, BMedSc, FRCP.Doctor Alan Desmond is one of the UK and Ireland's most prominent gut health experts. With a social media reach of over 150k, he is an enthusiastic advocate for the benefits of a gut-healthy diet and lifestyle.He is a sought-after podcast guest and has been featured on several well-known podcasts, including “The Rich Roll Podcast”, “Deliciously Ella”, “The Proof”, “The Doctor's Kitchen”, “The Melissa Ambrosini Show” and “The Exam Room”. Dr Alan has also featured in the Sunday Telegraph and Irish Examiner newspapers. He has shared his expertise and enthusiasm for plant-based diets on BBC News Spotlight and Virgin Radio's Chris Evans Breakfast Show.Doctor Alan is a Consultant Gastroenterologist who has made evidence-based dietary advice an essential part of his medical practice. He has presented at numerous international medical conferences on the benefits of this approach to food, alongside other renowned advocates including Dr Michael Greger, Dr. Michael Klaper, Dietician Brenda Davis, Dr. Kim Williams, and Dr Neal Barnard. He is an Ambassador for Plant-Based Health Professionals UK, a not-for-profit group that educates members of the public, health professionals, and policymakers on the incredible health benefits of a plant-based diet. Certified in both Gastroenterology and General Internal Medicine, Doctor Alan completed his medical training in Ireland and Oxford. He has a specialist interest in the role of diet in the prevention and treatment of

Ella Mills, founder of deliciously ella, had a self-confessed lack of ambition when she was young. On top of that, a debilitating illness that was present through her time at university. However, this life experience inspired Ella's interest in nutrition and diet which was channelled into her blog ‘deliciouslyella' and has now led to bestselling books, an online platform, 2.3 million followers, and a restaurant!A true example of making the most of life and overcoming adversity, and how to turn an interest into your career. Mark and Johanna discuss with Ella how adversity can breed creativity, how Ella created an online community before the modern landscape of social media, and how your true potential can only be reflected on and is harder to notice at the time. Also, hear Ella's advice for people starting their careers. This is Ella's Path for Potential.

Ella Mills, founder of deliciously ella, had a self-confessed lack of ambition when she was young. On top of that, a debilitating illness that was present through her time at university. However, this life experience inspired Ella's interest in nutrition and diet which was channelled into her blog ‘deliciouslyella' and has now led to bestselling books, an online platform, 2.3 million followers, and a restaurant!A true example of making the most of life and overcoming adversity, and how to turn an interest into your career. Mark and Johanna discuss with Ella how adversity can breed creativity, how Ella created an online community before the modern landscape of social media, and how your true potential can only be reflected on and is harder to notice at the time. Also, hear Ella's advice for people starting their careers. This is Ella's Path for Potential.

RHLSTP Book Club 62 - Is This OK? Richard talks to former music journalist Harriet Gibsone about her fascinating and funny memoir of obsession, growing up on the internet, early menopause and fantasies about Chris Martin. They discuss parasocial relationships from both sides of the equation, spying on your neighbours, politely cyber stalking a stranger on the bus, the insecurities that plague Harriet and most of us, how Deliciously Ella's experience of birth may not be universal, how searing honesty about your failings is useful to express and how all books basically appeal to the voyeur inside us all.Buy Is This OK? Wherever you get your books, like here https://www.waterstones.com/book/is-this-ok/harriet-gibsone/9781035000999SUPPORT THE SHOW!Watch our TWITCH CHANNELSee extra content at our WEBSITE Become a member at https://plus.acast.com/s/rhlstp. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The Group Chat is back! This week, Sapna & Daisy are joined by Tom Jamieson & Hattie Cotmore. Together, the four discuss the TikTok trend Girl Math, the current football shirt mania, why every celebrity is dropping Scooter Braun & the products they're loving. Plus, they answer all of your burning university questions…Follow Us On: Instagram | https://bit.ly/3X0xm27TikTok | http://bit.ly/3jvwlBESubscribe to our podcast here:https://shows.acast.com/the-luxegirl-...Products We're Loving Sapna | @sapna_rao https://bit.ly/3OclObf Heels, Zara | https://tidd.ly/3Emr8CU At Home With The Furys | Netflix Made In Chelsea: Corsica | Channel 4 Daisy | @daisreed https://bit.ly/3pBnb9Q Bad Influence, Oenone Forbat | https://bit.ly/3Ek66oD Denim Silk Set, This Belongs To | https://bit.ly/3YY8iM2 Cinnamon, Ginger & Vanilla Nut Butter, Deliciously Ella | https://bit.ly/3R65SsU Tom | @tom_jamieson_ https://bit.ly/44AETbG Exfoliator, Mirror Water | https://bit.ly/47YhF2f Conditioner, Bread Beauty Supply | https://bit.ly/3Z3rJDg Hattie | @hattiecotmore https://bit.ly/3ZAVj1Y Moisturiser, Byoma | https://bit.ly/480HNcL Print, SSHEPAINTS | https://bit.ly/3PkVnjR SSHEPAINTS, Instagram | https://bit.ly/3r4vZWh One Scoop Store, Instagram | https://bit.ly/47USGgh Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The Group Chat is back! This week, Sapna & Daisy are joined by Tom Jamieson & Hattie Cotmore. Together, the four discuss the TikTok trend Girl Math, the current football shirt mania, why every celebrity is dropping Scooter Braun & the products they're loving. Plus, they answer all of your burning university questions…Follow Us On: Instagram | https://bit.ly/3X0xm27TikTok | http://bit.ly/3jvwlBESubscribe to our podcast here:https://shows.acast.com/the-luxegirl-...Products We're Loving Sapna | @sapna_rao https://bit.ly/3OclObf Heels, Zara | https://tidd.ly/3Emr8CU At Home With The Furys | Netflix Made In Chelsea: Corsica | Channel 4 Daisy | @daisreed https://bit.ly/3pBnb9Q Bad Influence, Oenone Forbat | https://bit.ly/3Ek66oD Denim Silk Set, This Belongs To | https://bit.ly/3YY8iM2 Cinnamon, Ginger & Vanilla Nut Butter, Deliciously Ella | https://bit.ly/3R65SsU Tom | @tom_jamieson_ https://bit.ly/44AETbG Exfoliator, Mirror Water | https://bit.ly/47YhF2f Conditioner, Bread Beauty Supply | https://bit.ly/3Z3rJDg Hattie | @hattiecotmore https://bit.ly/3ZAVj1Y Moisturiser, Byoma | https://bit.ly/480HNcL Print, SSHEPAINTS | https://bit.ly/3PkVnjR SSHEPAINTS, Instagram | https://bit.ly/3r4vZWh One Scoop Store, Instagram | https://bit.ly/47USGgh Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

 My guest today is one that I waited to meet for a very long time - Ella Mills. If you're from the United Kingdom you will know her from her brand Deliciously Ella, which became incredibly successful as I started to interact with the UK as Solve For Happy was published. At that time, she had an incredibly famous and popular podcast that she cleverly decided to put on hold for a while - I wanted to be on that podcast so now she is on mine. Ella is a very successful businesswoman, she is a beautiful brand for healthy eating, and she is truly a representation of what she tells the world in many ways, but more importantly, hopefully, if you dig deeper below the brand you will see an incredible story of vulnerability, of success, of perseverance resilience and of living true to her feminine I would say - one my heroes - I hope you will enjoy this as much as I will.  Ella was diagnosed with postural tachycardia syndrome while still at university. This led her to research other people's experiences of relieving the symptoms of this rare diagnosis and she discovered that turning to a plant-based diet could be the key to her health. With little experience in cooking Ella began to experiment with recipes and started to keep an online diary that would later become her impressively popular blog, Deliciously Ella. Her blog has had over 130 million hits, she also set up social media accounts to inspire a larger community and is now hosting supper clubs and cooking classes. Her small personal project soon led to the creation of her own mobile app which landed at the top of the Food and Drink charts on the UK App Store as well as the publishing of her own cookbook which became the Best-Selling Debut Cookbook ever in the UK. Taking the idea to a whole new level, Ella and her husband have opened a few delis around central London. They have also launched their own product range, also titled Deliciously Ella which includes breakfast cereals, energy balls and oat bars. Listen as we discuss:03:30 - What made Ella, Ella? 09:00 - A dark place 12:30 - Choosing food 14:00 - A better bad day 15:30 - The Unstressable Retreat 18:00 - Health choices 21:00 - Food plan 23:00 - Deliciously Ella 26:00 - Right time, right place 29:00 - A shrewd businesswoman? 32:00 - Finding love 35:00 - The media attention 39:00 - Solve For Happy 41:30 - Focusing on the business 46:00 - Working with my husband 55:00 - Decision-making at work 56:30 - Where I am now 01:01:20 - A bizzarre duality 01:04:00 - Tough love 01:05:00 - Cancer hit the family 01:07:30 - The journey of self-acceptance Connect with Ella Mills on Instagram @deliciouslyella and learn more about her work here.YouTube: @mogawdatofficialInstagram: @mo_gawdatLinkedIn: /in/mogawdatWebsite: mogawdat.comDon't forget to subscribe to Slo Mo for new episodes every Saturday. Only with your help can we reach One Billion Happy #onebillionhappy

Ella Mills is an award-winning author, entrepreneur and champion of plant based living. She was the founder of Deliciously Ella in 2012, a plant-based food & wellness platform sharing delicious ways to feel better. Although it originated as a recipe website, Ella Mills has developed the business into a restaurant, a range of plant based food products, an app, a podcast and a collection of best-selling recipe books. Prior to starting Delicious Ella in 2011, Ella was diagnosed with postural tachycardia syndrome as well as ehlers-danlos and mast cell activation disorder, which followed four months in and out of hospital. The condition affected Ella's autonomic nervous system and also meant she struggled with digestive issues, chronic fatigue, a series of infections and a whole host of other symptoms. After being prescribed a cocktail of medication that had no effect Ella hit rock bottom, both physically and mentally.It was at this point that Ella looked into other ways of managing her condition and turned to whole foods, a plant-based diet, and overhauled her lifestyle. Deliciously Ella has become a leader in the plant-based space. Together with her husband and Deliciously Ella CEO, they've published six best-selling cookbooks, including the fast-selling vegan cookbook ever; a lifestyle app with recipes, workouts and meditations; a central London cafe and several ranges of food products in over 7,000 stores across the UK, with customers ranging from Tesco to Boots, Waitrose and Costa. - the early life of Ella Mills- how Ella knew something was wrong with her health - the symptoms she developed- how her illness affected her physical and mental health- how Ella's illness changed her university experience- what caused Ella's lifestyle change- the start of Deliciously Ella- the media's response to plant based eating- would Ella have been treated by the press differently if she was a man?- dealing with judgement- how Ella met her husband and moved in after a week- Ella's mindset over her 8 year career - how Ella evolved Deliciously Ella- Ella's experience opening her first restaurant - Ella closing her restaurant and the media storm it ensued- the affects of the media storm on her employees- Ella's biggest learnings Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Enjoyed this episode? Consider buying me a coffee! ☕️ We currently make a loss on the show and your support means the world!Today on the podcast we have Ella Mils, the founder of Deliciously Ella.Ella started Deliciously Ella - a blog for plant based recipes - over ten years ago when she was still at university. Having been diagnosed with a chronic condition, and being in and out of hospital with drugs having no meaningful impact, she turned to the internet. Originally she started the blog as just a personal project - but she eventually released it to the public - gaining over 130 million hits within the next few years. Buoyed by this success, she launched an app, which went straight to #1 in the UK app store for food & drink , thanks to the growing online community she is so known for today. Her debut cook book became the best-selling debut cookbook of all time in the UK. Together with her husband Matt, she has grown the business even further - expanding into a deli which is now their flagship restaurant, as well as many new food products listed in places like Waitrose, Starbucks, Tesco and Sainsburys. We talk about why building moments of calm is so important, what people get wrong about plant based diet, her skin care routine, and why she doesn't want to be famous. I hope you enjoy!Sign up to the Out of Hours newsletter hereOr follow us on Instagram. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to Wellness with Ella, the next evolution of the Deliciously Ella podcast, where entrepreneur Ella Mills and her guests share their stories of personal transformation through the lens of vulnerability. How did they get to where they are today? What were the biggest challenges her guests have faced? What wellness practices and habits really moved the needle for them? How do they keep moving forward?  To launch the new season, Ella is interviewed by Deliciously Ella's Digital Director, Charlotte, to unpack her own journey from a debilitating health condition in her early 20s to founding Deliciously Ella, her challenges with mental health, finding purpose, and why it took her 30 years to find happiness; as well as the hurdles and setbacks along the way and the tools Ella swears by to feel her best.   They discuss: Ella's experience suffering from a debilitating health condition in her early 20s Navigating mental health alongside physical health challenges Ella's catalyst moment for looking at diet to improve her health How sharing her journey with plant-based cooking online changed Ella's life Figuring out who you are whilst being in the spotlight Accepting that life isn't linear Taking responsibility for your own health & happiness Ella's daily-ish non-negotiables to support her physical and mental health   Links: Use code podcast20 to get 20% off the Feel Better App  Ella's Wellness Toolkit Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Trigger warning: there are mentions of suicidal thoughts in this episode, if you'd prefer not to listen please skip 22:45 - 23:25In part 2 of Ella Mills and Dr Alex's stomp, Ella explains the story behind her health journey which led her to founding Deliciously Ella. Ella discusses the difficult times in her 20s when she was navigating her poor health, and how she eventually found food to be a huge game changer. She also shares the moments where she felt her lowest, and why accepting your illness can help your mindset.Head over to the Samaritans if you or someone you love needs help.Follow Ella @ella.mills__ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Best known as the co-founder of wellness and feel-good-food brand ‘Deliciously Ella', Ella Mills joins Dr Alex in Hyde Park on this week's episode. In part one, Ella and Alex dive right into their shared passion for wellbeing and the pressures of everyday life that often make it hard to look after ourselves. Ella shares the small achievable changes we can make to improve our mental and physical health, and why getting out in nature is so important to her. Follow Ella @ella.mills__ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Ella Mills started a plant-based food blog, Deliciously Ella, in 2012 after chronic illness left her physically and mentally depleted. The blog blew up and its popularity led to her first recipe book, which was released in January 2015. It became the fastest-selling debut cookbook of all time in the UK and spent eight weeks at number one on Amazon, across all categories.  Deliciously Ella now has 40 plant-based food products, stocked in more than 6,000 stores across the UK, an app, more bestselling cookbooks, a deli, and in 2022 had an expected turnover of 20 million pounds. It hasn't always been a smooth ride though…which we'll get into.  Ella has over 2 million followers on Instagram. Social media has played a big role in the growth of the business, but even though many would describe her as one of the original UK influencers, she doesn't see herself that way.  How did she handle that fame along with the growth of the business brand? What advice would she give to other entrepreneurs building a disruptive consumer brand? And, what does she think about the wellness industry and the desire for quick fixes?  Listen to find out. We'd love your feedback hello@secretleaders.com Sponsor links: evelyn.com/secret-leaders oto.com/power (get 20% off with code secret) vorboss.com/secretleaders vanta.com/secretleaders

In this episode Ayda chats to the queen of one of the UK's biggest plant based brands its the wonderful Deliciously Ella.From the starting the blog in 2012 that started her career and saved her life right through the incredible empire Ella and her husband are building today, this episode is full of amazing stories of hope, humour and some amazing life advice. Enjoy! Find Ella's amazing recipes, cookbooks and podcast here: https://deliciouslyella.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Deliciously Ella is on the sofa chatting all things business and her plant based lifestyle that inspired her brand! From starting her blog to becoming one of the UK's biggest plant based brands, we chat the highs and the lows along the way… and finding love in the process!Find Ella's delicious plant based recipes and links to her cookbooks, podcast and much more here: https://deliciouslyella.comRemember to keep up to date with Private Parts on our TikTok, Insta, and YouTube ! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Deliciously Ella is on the sofa chatting all things business and her plant based lifestyle that inspired her brand! From starting her blog to becoming one of the UK's biggest plant based brands, we chat the highs and the lows along the way… and finding love in the process!Find Ella's delicious plant based recipes and links to her cookbooks, podcast and much more here: https://deliciouslyella.comRemember to keep up to date with Private Parts on our TikTok, Insta, and YouTube ! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Are you one of the 2.1 million people who follow Deliciously Ella on Instagram? Real name, Ella Mills. The British food writer shares her top hacks on how to live a plant-based life.    WANT MORE FROM ELLA? To hear today's full interview, where Ella discusses how to eat plant-based on a budget...search for Extra Healthy-ish wherever you get your pods. You can grab Ella's new book How to Go Plant-Based (Hachette, $34.99) here. See her Instagram here or website here.    WANT MORE BODY + SOUL?  Online: Head to bodyandsoul.com.au for your daily digital dose of health and wellness. On social: Via Instagram at @bodyandsoul_au or Facebook. Or, TikTok here. Got an idea for an episode? DM host Felicity Harley on Instagram @felicityharley.  On YouTube: Watch Body + Soul TV here. In print: Each Sunday, grab Body+Soul inside The Sunday Telegraph (NSW), the Sunday Herald Sun (Victoria), The Sunday Mail (Queensland), Sunday Mail (SA) and Sunday Tasmanian (Tasmania). See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Are you one of the 2.1 million people who follow Deliciously Ella on Instagram? Real name, Ella Mills. The British food writer shares her top hacks on how to live a plant-based life.  WANT MORE FROM ELLA? To hear today's full interview, where Ella discusses how to eat plant-based on a budget...search for Extra Healthy-ish wherever you get your pods. You can grab Ella's new book How to Go Plant-Based (Hachette, $34.99) here. See her Instagram here or website here.    WANT MORE BODY + SOUL?  Online: Head to bodyandsoul.com.au for your daily digital dose of health and wellness. On social: Via Instagram at @bodyandsoul_au or Facebook. Or, TikTok here. Got an idea for an episode? DM host Felicity Harley on Instagram @felicityharley.  On YouTube: Watch Body + Soul TV here. In print: Each Sunday, grab Body+Soul inside The Sunday Telegraph (NSW), the Sunday Herald Sun (Victoria), The Sunday Mail (Queensland), Sunday Mail (SA) and Sunday Tasmanian (Tasmania). See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Zoe & Georgia are delighted to be joined by the ultimate "mum boss" - Ella Mills, founder of Deliciously Ella.Join a conversation where we hear Ella speak about age gaps, the rise of her business from her personal health problems, pregnancy (and the differences between first and second), home births in the water, the juggle, and embracing a plant-based lifestyle.Ella's Favourite Products:Organic Babies Calming Nappy Cream | Green PeopleBugaboo Ant | BugabooSpectacle SkincareListen by clicking ‘Play', subscribe or follow on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Acast, and please do rate and review to help others find the podcast.Find a new episode every Tuesday & Friday and in the meantime check out Made By Mammas on Instagram: @madebymammas.Made By Mammas, this has been an Insanity Podcasts production. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

Ella Mills is the founder of UK wellness brand Deliciously Ella - focused on plant-based food and improving health, which marks its ten year anniversary this year. In this episode Ella discusses how her business started as a health blog, and snowballed into a lucrative and varied business.Listen to the full episode of How to be a CEO here.In the full episode Ella talks about:Marking its ten year anniversary (1.19)How Deliciously Ella started as a blog (2.48)How Ella used plant-based food to recover from her illnesses (5.41)Managing to stick to a plant-based diet (8.12)Building a brand before building a business (10.04)What it's like running such a varied business (10.46)Ella's decision to buy out her investors (11.42)How Ella's been successful...despite doing some things backwards (15.32)Is the brand to blame for the growth in plant-based food? (16.04)Will there be exponential growth in the plant-based food market? (18.51)Might Deliciously Ella brand out into fake meat products? (21.27)What's next for the business? (23.01)Ella's hopes and wishes for 2022 (24.17)You can check out some of Deliciously Ella on Instagram.Remember to follow us on Twitter for more news from the Evening Standard. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

This week Angellica Bell chats with Ella Mills, the Founder & Brand Director of Deliciously Ella, the plant-based nutrition and wellness brand.Ella shares how sustainability became part of her journey and how it's helped strengthen the growth of her brand. Listen now and discover her insights that could help you and your business on its sustainability journey.Please note that the views and information have not been endorsed, issued or approved by NatWest. Any views expressed in this podcast are not necessarily those of NatWest. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

‘Deliciously Ella' plant-based food writer and entrepreneur Ella Mills launched her company in 2012, after finding that a plant-based diet helped her manage a range of difficult health conditions. She has been called ‘a pioneer' who has catapulted plant-based living into the mainstream.

Shifting narratives around healthy eating and plant-based food have offered innovators an opportunity to establish and grow some brilliant businesses. Ella Mills is the founder and driving force behind Deliciously Ella ¬– the plant-based food platform that advocates for a delicious path to feeling better. As the business celebrates its first 10 years, Ella and her husband (and Deliciously Ella's CEO) Matt Mills explain how the brand began out of necessity as a passion project but then evolved. Now Deliciously Ella features a leading range of plant-based food products, an app, a collection of bestselling recipe books, a podcast, restaurant, and a likeminded global community ¬– both on and offline. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This special episode celebrates the 10-year anniversary of Deliciously Ella and is also the first ever live recording of the feel better podcast. Founder, Ella Mills, and CEO, Matthew Mills, are joined by journalist Laura Jackson for a candid conversation reflecting on the past 10 years, the highs and lows of the company's journey, and to discuss what they've learnt in the process. They discuss:How plant-based and wellness went from niche to mainstreamWhy the brand has stayed relevantBeing a nimble businessThe evolution of Deliciously Ella over the last 10 yearsChallenging times and learningsStaying true to Deliciously Ella's valuesFrom a recipe blog to 6 books, a podcast, plant-based food products, a restaurant, and a holistic wellness appAdvice and learnings from growing and running a companyFinding a work-life balanceLooking ahead to the future of Deliciously Ella See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Welcome to Episode #438: with Matthew Mills, CEO of Deliciously Ella, a plant-based food & wellness platform sharing delicious ways to feel better.   During this episode, we talk about building a resilient business and the 10th Year Anniversary of Deliciously Ella. Here are some highlights: In building a business, it's important for key players to have different skill sets. Working together and combining these skills will help grow and achieve business success. When starting a business, it is common to rely more on feeling as compared to having actual data. But as the business grows, gathering and making use of data is crucial. It will help you improve your products, your categories and strategised your product launches. Make sure that your business have diversified cash and the business model is resilient and can' t be easily knocked over by one situation or event. Build your business and brand slowly and incrementally to have a real staying power. If a business is too hot or too popular, it has the opportunity to go the other way really easily.   Learn more about the contents discussed in this episode: Connect with Matthew via LinkedIn, Instagram and visit Deliciously Ella's website

Welcome to the trailer for Episode #438 with Matthew Mills, CEO of Deliciously Ella, a plant-based food & wellness platform sharing delicious ways to feel better.   In this Wednesday's episode, Matthew and I will be talking about building a resilient business and the 10th Year Anniversary of Deliciously Ella. Here are some highlights: In building a business, it's important for key players to have different skill sets. Working together and combining these skills will help grow and achieve business success. When starting a business, it is common to rely more on feeling as compared to having actual data. But as the business grows, gathering and making use of data is crucial. It will help you improve your products, your categories and strategised your product launches. Make sure that your business have diversified cash and the business model is resilient and can' t be easily knocked over by one situation or event. Build your business and brand slowly and incrementally to have a real staying power. If a business is too hot or too popular, it has the opportunity to go the other way really easily.   Join us on Wednesday for the full episode.

Welcome to Living Well with MS Coffee Break #29, where we are pleased to welcome Linda Boueke as our guest!   Our Coffee Break series is your chance to get to know members of our diverse OMS community. In each episode, you'll join Geoff Allix for an intimate chat with a different member of our global community. Our guests will share their personal stories and talk about their challenges and victories, large and small. We hope you find common cause and a source of inspiration from the stories of these very special people.   As always, your comments and suggestions are always welcome by emailing podcast@overcomingms.org. We hope you enjoy this episode's conversation with Linda, coming to you straight from Hamburg, Germany.   Linda's Bio:   Linda is from Hamburg, Germany, and she was diagnosed with RRMS in 2014. She immediately changed her diet and after attending an OMS seminar in 2016, she started to adopt the OMS Program completely. Since 2017, she has served as an Ambassador for the OMS Circle in Hamburg, and she sometimes holds seminars in Germany to help inform others about OMS. In 2019, she has started a second career as a solo-singer and performer. Following her dreams has become easier because OMS has helped her regain strength and focus, so she is incredibly thankful to have found OMS so early.   Questions:   Linda, welcome to Living Well with MS Coffee Break. We're so pleased to have you on our program. The purpose of this series is to better get to know some of the diverse members of our community from around the world, and today you're in the hot seat. Can you tell us a little about your day-to-day life? When were you diagnosed with MS? Can you provide some context on that? When were you diagnosed and how did you initially deal with it? At which point did you come across the OMS Program? How was that experience for you? Why did you decide to start following it? What are some of the challenges you faced at first in adopting the OMS Program, and how did you overcome them? When did you first start to see any kind of positive results in following the OMS Program, and what were these? You're currently very involved in the OMS community, particularly as the ambassador of the OMS Circle in Hamburg. Can you talk to us about the OMS Circles experience, and what that's meant to you? I also understand that you conduct seminars about OMS principles in Germany, trying to raise awareness about the positive aspects of lifestyle change for people with MS. How's that going and what motivated you to start that endeavor? One of your guiding principles is the concept of flow. Can you tell us a little about that and what it means to you? That's a good segue into things in your life in which you find “flow”, such as singing and dancing. Can you share a little more insight into your creative passions? Linda, thank you so much for being on Living Well with MS Coffee Break and allowing our community to get to know one of its own a little better. One last question before you go, and it's a bit of a tradition in that we ask it of all our Coffee Break guests. If you tap into your experience with MS generally and OMS specifically for a nugget of wisdom that would help people ease into and better adopt the OMS program, what would that advice be?   Three Interesting Facts About Linda (in her own words):   I find it so important to spread the word about the importance of lifestyle and the OMS Program to enable others to live a full and healthy life even with the diagnosis. Hope is a crucial thing to fight the mental challenges of such a diagnosis, and OMS provides evidence-based hope. I wish for many others to find the strength in themselves to change their lives for the better by adopting the OMS lifestyle and to live a full and healthy life for many years. To prevent depression, which is common in people with MS, I find it most important to listen to your inner voice. Find out what you really want to do and with whom and try to get rid of energy-draining things and people in your life. I write a journal every few days, and I rigidly stick to the habits of at least 30 minutes of exercise (about 6 days a week) and daily meditation. I love my new eating habits though it was hard to change my diet at the beginning. Even if got rid of MS today, I would not go back to the way I used to eat. I was thrilled to learn about the Concept of Flow, which I encountered during my singing studies. Stimulating the ventral vagus nerve helps to counteract the stress response of the body and may enable you to reach peak performance and allow your body to heal. For my life, that means that I try to do what I love as much as possible – sing, dance, meet easygoing people, paint, and write. When you don't feel time passing, and you are neither bored nor stressed, then you are probably enjoying “flow”.   Linda's Links:   Linda loves this healthy vegan brownie recipe. Linda also loves these two vegan pasta recipes from Deliciously Ella and The Happy Pear. Check out Linda's artwork on her website. Hear Linda's vocal talents on her Facebook and YouTube You can also check out her Instagram. Linda does Zumba at home for exercise by watching these uplifting YouTube videos by Euge Carro.   Coming up on our next episode:   On the next episode of Living Well with MS, premiering April 6, 2022, meet Dr. Mitzi Joi Williams, a Board-Certified Neurologist and Fellowship trained Multiple Sclerosis Specialist who serves as the Founder & CEO of the Joi Life Wellness Group Multiple Sclerosis Center outside of Atlanta, Georgia. She'll tap into her deep well of medical experience to provide a practical roadmap on introducing lifestyle change to your healthcare professional.   Don't miss out:   Subscribe to this podcast and never miss an episode. You can catch any episode of Living Well with MS here or on your favorite podcast listening app. For your convenience, a full episode transcript is also available on all platforms within 72 hours of each episode's premiere. If you like our program, don't be shy and leave a review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you tune into the show. And feel free to share your comments and suggestions for future guests and episode topics by emailing podcast@overcomingms.org.   S4E49b Transcript Coffee Break #29 with Linda Boueke   Geoff Allix (00:01): Welcome to Living Well with MS Coffee Break, a part of the Living Well with MS podcast family from Overcoming MS, the world's leading multiple sclerosis healthy lifestyle charity celebrating its 10th year of serving the MS community.   I'm your host, Geoff Allix. Today, you'll meet someone living with MS, from our diverse and global Overcoming MS community. Our Coffee Break series invites you into the lives of each guest. They share their personal MS journeys and speak openly about their challenges and victories, large and small. We hope you find some common cause and a source of inspiration from the stories of these very special people. You can check out our show notes for more information and useful links. You can find these on our website at www.overcomingms.org/podcast. If you enjoy the show, please spread the word about us on your social media channels or leave a review wherever you tune into our podcast.   Finally, don't forget to subscribe to Living Well with MS on your favorite podcast platform so you never miss an episode. So get your favorite beverage ready and let's meet today's guest on Living Well with MS Coffee Break.   Welcome to Living Well with MS Coffee Break #29, where we are pleased to welcome Linda Boueke as our guest. As always, your comments and suggestions are welcomed by emailing podcast@overcomingms.org. We hope you enjoy this episode's conversation with Linda from Hamburg, Germany.   Linda was diagnosed with relapsing-remitting MS in 2014. She immediately changed her diet and after attending an OMS seminar in 2016, she started to adopt the OMS program completely. Since 2017, she has served as an ambassador for the OMS Circle in Hamburg, and she sometimes holds seminars in Germany to help inform others about OMS. In 2019, she has started a second career as a solo singer and performer. Following her dreams has become easier because OMS has helped her regain strength and focus. So she's incredibly thankful to have found OMS so early.   So Linda, welcome to Living Well with MS Coffee Break. We're very pleased to have you on our program. And just to explain the purpose of this series is to get a better understanding of the members of the OMS community from around the world. And today you're in the hot seat. So could you tell us a bit about your day-to-day life?   Linda Boueke (02:24): Well, thank you, Geoff, for having me, and yes, I'm honored to be guest of your show today. About my day-to-day life, I've spent many years at home raising four boys and after working in marketing for a time, but then I got my diagnosis and I struggled to find some new balance really because obviously sort of a midlife crisis was culminating with the empty nest syndrome and with a diagnosis. And what happened was I had to walk a long way of reflecting and orientation, what I wish for in my life now and putting myself first after many years to remain as independent and healthy as possible for myself. Yeah.   Geoff Allix (03:18): And was it an easy diagnosis? Was it obvious you had MS? And did the doctors diagnose you quickly?   Linda Boueke (03:25): Well, it was a bit tricky really. In 2010, I had swine flu, which is a virus which happened to be here in Germany. And I had stomach problems and fatigue, even had to have household help for some time because I couldn't cope. And I had many lesions in my brain really and took lots of tests, but I didn't get the diagnosis then. I had speech problems and couldn't write on the keyboard properly. And still the neurologist said it could be different things and sent me home like that. And in 2014, I had another relapse probably with tingling in the body, probably known to our audience. And I got the diagnosis from the radiologist really. It was quite a shock because he said, "Well, what else should it be if not MS?”   And yeah, well then, I tried to find a way to cope with that. And I had the immediate feeling. I had to do something about that myself and got the impression this illness picked the wrong person to surrender to some future of doom really. And I got a feeling like Hermione in Harry Potter, she always goes to the library. So I turned to reading lots and lots of things and found out all I could, because I didn't want to be out with it by others and let alone doctors just here to tell me what I had to do and wanted to become an expert for this condition and to be able to make the right choices for myself.   Geoff Allix (05:21): So when did you come across the OMS program?   Linda Boueke (05:25): Actually, I took a little detour. I first found Sven Becher, who's a journalist in Germany, who has MS as well. And he wrote the book, which I had read in the spring of that year. And on the backside of the book [inaudible 00:05:45] there was a message, like he has MS and now he's, yeah, getting along fine with it. And I wrote emails with him. So I tried to find out what he had done and what he had found out. And he was very helpful and sent me his, yeah, sort of script. And later on, I bought his book as well. And there were many hints to OMS. Because he has many, yeah, sort of similarities to OMS in his approach.   And six weeks after my diagnosis, I read the OMS book obviously. And I changed lots of things. Yeah. I like the approach, do whatever it takes to stop the progression. And still I struggled because the quality of life you think you have in your life, you have to sort of find a way to, yeah, optimize your quality of life, even though you will change your diet and do a lot of for your health, you know that.   Geoff Allix (06:55): Are you in an area of Germany where there's very much dairy consumption? And I mean, honestly, I haven't been to Hamburg. I've been to Munich. I've been to Berlin, but it does seem to be the German diet does seem to be quite heavily meat based, dairy based. Is that the case where you are, is it difficult to make a transition further?   Linda Boueke (07:19): Yes, definitely. I had some help for my stomach, really, because in that year I had so many stomach problems before so when the diagnosis came, and I realized it was better for my stomach problems because it was for really like a chronic inflammation of the stomach at the time. And so I had already decided to cut out dairy a lot. Yeah, it was really hard in the beginning, I think.   And I think the main problem is you never individually know, which sort of measures lead to which outcome. And you cannot know for sure if the lifestyle or medication choices you make are definitely the cause for your wellbeing or for possible relapses. And it's a marathon. And so you have to sort of jump on the train someday to decide if you are going with the lifestyle choices or not. And you can never be sure if it's this measure or that measure [inaudible 00:08:32]   Geoff Allix (08:32): No, it's like medications. If there was one medication that we could take and it would cure us and everyone took it and it would be fine, but there's so many because they affect different people in different ways. And yeah, it's a very varied condition. Isn't it?   Linda Boueke (08:46): I had read something about happiness from a German author and he talked about seven areas which can lead to more happiness or not. And I realized eating is not one of them. So that was sort of, yeah, a relaxing moment because I thought, well, if that's what studies say, eating is not part of it, then it's only really family and friends, which is a part of being happy, which makes it so difficult because you have to sort of yeah, communicate with your family, with friends when you change eating that much. And that's what's really hard in the beginning, but it's not eating itself that's causing so much trouble for your happiness.   Geoff Allix (09:31): So going for a meal can make you happy. But the actual eating part, it's the social part rather than the eating the food. That makes sense.   Linda Boueke (09:38): Yeah, and what I found out is that I can be very happy with this diet, and I wouldn't change it back really, even if they got a pill against MS, because I'm so happy with my new lifestyle at this time that really this struggle was life changing. [crosstalk 00:09:56]   Geoff Allix (09:56): So was that the biggest challenge you had in adopting OMS? In other words, were there other parts of the program that were difficult to adopt?   Linda Boueke (10:07): Yeah. I struggle a little with meditation really. I rigidly stick to it. I do my 30 minutes of meditation each and every day, but I must admit, even after seven years now, I'm not an expert. I realize that some days I'm getting there, I'm getting calmer. And I come to a state where I think my brain's relaxing, and perhaps healing is possible or something, but many days I can't, I think my brain is overactive. I always have these many thoughts and it's just, yeah, I can't.   Geoff Allix (10:47): Yeah. I mean, I do know some people who like yoga instruction and things like that, and they can just do it without listening to any soundtrack. They just go, well, I just sit and meditate, but I still need to have some sort of guidance, but even though some of them actually have quite long periods of silence. And so I'm listening to nothing, but so why does, how does that work when actually I can't sit here and just be here, I don't know.   So for me, I tell you sometimes I can kind of get it where I'm doing it without it being guided, but I would hope by now I could do that, but, yeah, I find it a lot easier to be listening to guided mindfulness sessions. There are so many available now, which is brilliant. So at least there's that, yeah.   Linda Boueke (11:34): I listen to guided meditation I made up myself because I read so many books about meditation that I thought I bring it all together with visualization and healing meditation, and breathing meditation that probably even there, I wanted too much and put it all in one tape. And so I listen to that every day and [crosstalk 00:11:56] come the way.   Geoff Allix (11:59): And when did you start to see, or you were saying that it's difficult to really say what's caused changes, but did you see positive results, improvements in your condition after you adopted the OMS program?   Linda Boueke (12:17): Well, yes, I can say that. I think, I mean, I had late relapses. I had one relapse in 2010 and the next one in 2014. So then in the beginning of 2015, I had one more, a really bad relapse. My right arm went numb, and I was getting really afraid because that's a bad feeling, as you can imagine. But then it got better, and I only have a, yeah, left numb hand a bit, but it's usually usable and so I'm very happy with that. But what was better then was the stomach, which was inflamed. And I have almost no problems with that nowadays.   And I had some eczema and hay fever, which is part of an overreacting immune system as well. And I could really see that subsiding. So I haven't had any problems with that anymore. So that's part of seeing how the body gets less inflamed I think, that's for me what's the sign.   Geoff Allix (13:33): Yeah. I think when you were saying that you'd carry on with the diet, even if they had a pill which cured MS. I think because there's so many other things, I think it's just healthy for our bodies. And certainly my neurologist said this, he said, "It's going to reduce your risk of heart disease, reduce your risk of cancer, diabetes, or all these things." And so actually, yeah, I agree. I think it's just healthier to live eating a whole food-based diet. It is healthy.   Linda Boueke (14:00): Yeah. People kept telling me you're looking so very healthy with what you're doing. So something must have changed really. And it's a good feeling in the body. And my doctor, he says, "I've got the best cholesterol reading." Cholesterol?   Geoff Allix (14:18): Cholesterol, yeah.   Linda Boueke (14:20): Cholesterol profiles [inaudible 00:14:21] it's more patience.   Geoff Allix (14:21): I get this all the time. I just had a load of tests, like some annual tests done last week. And they're always saying, they say, "Oh, you're really healthy." I'm like, apart from the obvious reason that I'm here, I mean, clearly, I'm here because I have MS. I go, yeah. Well, apart from that, you're really healthy. So yeah. All my blood pressure and all the tests, everything, so, oh yeah. So that's good anyway, because you don't want to have comorbidities. I mean, if we had diabetes and MS, that would obviously be more problematic.   So as much as anything, I think it is healthier. And if they did cure MS, I agree I'd carry on as much with the program. So you are involved in the OMS community, and you are the ambassador of the OMS Circle in Hamburg. So could you tell us a bit about OMS Circles and your OMS Circle?   Linda Boueke (15:13): Well, yes. I think it was in 2017 that the OMS Circle program was launched because OMS, the charity, wanted to sort of spread the word worldwide and sort of install a community where peer to peer support is possible. And when I read about that, it certainly hit me and I thought, well, I have to be part of that because I had visited a one-day seminar in [inaudible 00:15:45] in 2016 and was really enchanted by the community I met there, and I was really sad because in Germany nothing was happening in regard to OMS.   And I was feeling really lonely at the time because I hardly knew people with MS and let alone people who followed OMS program and so I was craving to meet people who were on the same journey in a way. And I wanted to pay back somehow and yeah, help spread the word about what OMS has to offer and help people who want to be, yeah, helped.   Geoff Allix (16:33): And how have you found the Circle with COVID restrictions? Has that continued?   Linda Boueke (16:41): Yeah, before we had meetings here in real life every four to eight weeks. And when COVID started, obviously that wasn't possible anymore and we changed to online meetings, which is, yeah, partly good thing because my Circle is quite large. As I was the first ambassador in Germany, people from all over the country sort of gathered in my Circle in the beginning. Now we've got, I think, 10 Circles in Germany and some still remain in my Circle. And so we can gather with people from many kilometers away online, which is fine, but it's not the same as meeting in person. I'm really looking forward to being able to host an offline meeting these days. Yeah.   Geoff Allix (17:41): Yeah. We have just started where we are. We had one, about a month ago we had our first sort of actual face to face meeting, and it was really nice. I mean, yeah, it's nice talking to people, but actually there is something about being there physically and everyone they brought so much food. It was ridiculous. Because I was like can everyone bring something and then we'll have a lunch. And everyone, I think, because it had been so long thought, right, we're going to bring lots of food. And there was just a huge feast, and it was great because we could eat everything. And so they had really gone to town, and it was like amazing. So it was really nice to meet up.   Anyway, you also conduct seminars about OMS principles in Germany to raise awareness about lifestyle changes for people with MS. So how is that? And why did you start doing that?   Linda Boueke (18:32): Well, as I said, I was in marketing once and I'm probably not a shy person. So when I'm convinced of a cause, I naturally want to share that insight with others to give them the chance to benefit from the evidence and blueprint for good health that others have discovered. Isn't that the point of human development and progress in a way? An idea spreading to change mindsets and realities and lives by interaction. That's sort of, I like this evidence-based, down to earth approach of OMS.   And I like that it doesn't try to antagonize between natural medicine and sort of the academic medicine. And so I think this inclusive and a relatively easily applicable approach that emphasizes the self-management abilities of every single person with MS is so valuable that I felt I have to do whatever is possible for me to reach as many people with this message as possible.   And obviously people are coming to my circle so I can inform them and help them as much as I can. But I sort of wanted to scale it a bit higher and reach more people who haven't heard of it. And so I was able to, yeah, hold some seminars and webinars in the last year to inform the German community about the OMS program, which is not widely known.   Geoff Allix (20:15): And there's a German version of the OMS book, isn't there?   Linda Boueke (20:19): Yes. I think it appeared in 2019 or I'm not sure when really, but it was quite late sort of, and then you could go with this book to a neurologist and say, "Have you read this? Please read it. It's important." So I tried that sometimes. Yes.   Geoff Allix (20:40): And one of your guiding principles is the concept of flows. This is completely new to me. So could you tell us about what flow is and what it means to you?   Linda Boueke (20:51): Oh yeah. It was new to me as well. During recent years, I visited a course of complete vocal technique really to sort of improve my singing abilities a bit. And we had a seminar within that about flow. And I wondered what it was. And we met with a great teacher, Raby Lahood, who was really a singer and performer. And he's very deep in this flow concept and research. And yeah, to put it briefly, flow is sort of, you can say it's happiness, but you can also say it's a nervous status, which is between boredom and overburdening.   So it's when you feel at ease, when you are doing things you like, when you forget time. Sort of really in the moment, not thinking, just doing what you do and being good at it. So that's a concept which also some in a professional context, sometimes people like to talk about flow because they want their staff to be in flow as much as possible because they reach peak performance when they are.   So when you don't feel overburdened or stressed out and you're not bored, you are in the perfect performance zone of your nervous system really. And when I found this concept, it was about singers and performing on stage without getting sort of too nervous to sing or without getting stuck in your lyrics or something. But it also applies to everyone, not only to singers, because when you get into this flow zone, in the actual nervous system, healing is possible and social interaction is possible. And it's really, it's sort of the basis is the polyvagal theory, which you can look up. It's like, you've got the sympathetic nerves. I don't know if it's sympathetic-   Geoff Allix (23:14): Yeah. Sympathetic nerves or similar.   Linda Boueke (23:14): Yeah. And the parasympathetic nerves are its opposite. And the polyvagal theory has found another sort of part of the parasympathetic nerves, it's like three parts. And only if the third part is effective, you are in flow and your system is in a good and balanced state. So what comes out for me is that I try to focus on things that bring me this sort of flow situation that I'm feeling at ease, that I'm feeling the time flow away like nothing. And that's what happened when I sort of yeah, work with my arts.   Geoff Allix (24:00): Yeah. So I think most people with their MS are aware that stress is not good. Because I think we are physically sensitive to stress. I think most people realize that they're getting stressed, but you also said, boredom is the other thing. So actually, so if we are avoiding stress, but also we want to avoid boredom and we want to be in that middle zone. So we-   Linda Boueke (24:21): That's right. And I think I always struggled with meditation as well because I am easily bored by that. And so perhaps a different approach would be just sort of to meditate by doing something that really brings you in focus, that you enjoy so much, that you are in the here and now without thinking about anything else. So that might be a sort of meditation as well.   Geoff Allix (24:51): Yeah. I mean, yeah this has come up with mindfulness experts and they say, that's the difference between mindfulness and meditation. Meditation is actually meditating, but actually you can do so many things, you can go for a mindful walk, so you can go for a walk in the countryside and that can be a completely mindful activity. You don't have to meditate if you find that it bothers you. And then that's obviously in the right flow state, but why not go for walk? Why not go for a cycle ride as these things can be done mindfully?   So then you are still, yeah, you can do everything. It can fit with everything. So talking a bit about how you got to learn about flow, brought up the sort of singing side of it. So could you tell us a bit about your creative passions and singing and dancing and what you got involved with there?   Linda Boueke (25:40): Yeah. Well, I always enjoyed, yeah, singing, dancing, and painting. I couldn't decide which most really, and yeah, after sort of getting over the shock of the diagnosis and finding my new way with the OMS program and sort of caring for my health, I decided to sing and dance and paint as much as possible. And try to start a second career really, to do it seriously, sort of to go on stage and present a solo program with a pianist and try to write songs.   And now I started with a new band, and I have painted a lot last year because obviously going in stage in COVID times is not so really easy. I had my first show in 2019 and I had some bookings for 2020 and then it all stopped. But I have found a new pianist and the rehearsals with him were definitely a most welcome help against mental stress during the pandemic, because we were able to meet and to perfect the program and yeah, after the vaccination, I also started to do dancing again, as much as possible. And I'm almost looking forward to my next MRI to see if this flow has all solutions, but yeah, I would be happy to see that. At least the MRI in 2020 was stable, so better than nothing. Yeah.   Geoff Allix (27:31): So Linda, thank you very much for being part of the Living Well with MS Coffee Break series and allowing the community to get to know you a bit better. But one last question before you go, and there's a tradition that we like to ask Coffee Break guests. If you could tap into your experience with MS generally, or OMS specifically, for a piece of wisdom, particularly for people who are new to the program or new to MS, to help them adopt the OMS program, what would that advice be?   Linda Boueke (28:04): Oh yeah. I've got a big table in the, no, what do you call that? I've got many of these sort of codes on my mind, which I try to remember when I'm getting low. And one of them I read online. I don't know who this was. Stop that silly grieving.   Geoff Allix (28:30): Okay. Yeah.   Linda Boueke (28:32): That really hit me at the time because I was grieving a lot for my old life. And just to realize that grieving doesn't help at all, you just have to look forward and try to see what you can find in the future. That helped me a lot because, yeah, it was like a slap in the face stopped that silly grieving. And I am really for that, whenever I get a feeling of despair, I have to try something new, start something new. And I think new beginnings, new projects, joys in life mean a new beginning. Always that's a quote I like. So that would be my advice, just to get out of that stuck feeling when you feel like nothing is in the future that you want to see.   Geoff Allix (29:27): Okay. Thank you very much for that. And thank you for joining us.   Linda Boueke (29:30): Yeah. Thank you.   Geoff Allix (29:31): Thank you for listening to this episode of Living Well with MS Coffee Break. Please check out this episode's show notes at www.overcomingms.org/podcast. You'll find all sorts of useful links and bonus information there. Do you have questions about this episode or do you or someone you know want to be featured in a future Coffee Break episode? Then email us at podcast@overcomingms.org. We'd love to hear from you.   You can also subscribe to the show on your favorite podcast platform so you never miss an episode. Living Well with MS Coffee Break is kindly supported by a grant from the Happy Charitable Trust. If you'd like to support the overcoming MS charity and help keep our podcast advertising free, you can donate online at www.overcomingms.org/donate.   To learn more about overcoming MS and its array of free content and programs, including webinars, recipes, exercise guides, OMS Circles, our global network of community support groups, and more, please visit our website at www.overcomingms.org. 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Holly Tucker is a Co-Founder and Chief Inspirator of Notonthehighstreet, championing small and independent businesses, and has already made over 200 millionaires! Launching SME:SOS, a reactive resource and initiative aimed at helping small businesses during this difficult time, she's pumped over £1-billion into the UK economy and holds an Advisory position for the UK government. She co-founded the immersive brand Holly & Co and presents her own podcast 'Conversations of Inspiration,' chatting to the UK's brightest and most well-known founders which include Fearne Cotton, Deliciously Ella, Thomasina Miers and Levi Roots.Find out more about the Cambridge Union: YouTube channel, Twitter and Instagram.Connect with Holly Tucker via: LinkedIn, Instagram and Twitter.Find out more about Holly & Co: www.holly.co/ Find out more about Notonthehighstreet via: website.Watch the full interview via YouTube. A new episode EVERY WEEK, showcasing the journeys of inspirational entrepreneurs, side hustlers and their mentors. We discuss their successes, challenges and how they overcame setbacks. Focusing mainly on what they wish they had known when starting out. The podcast aims to give aspiring entrepreneurs the confidence to Start Up and Start Now by showcasing real and relatable entrepreneurs. After all, seeing is believing!Join the conversation using #startupstartnow and tagging us on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn. Don't forget to leave a review as it really helps us reach those who need it and allows us to get the best guests for you! Connect with Start Up. Start Now. and to nominate a guest please visit: www.startupstartnow.co.uk.  To connect with Sharena Shiv please visit: www.sharena.co.uk.

This week, I'm super excited to be speaking with Ella Mills. Ella is the founder and creator of Deliciously Ella. From her early beginnings as a blogger, Ella has grown the brand into a hugely successful company, spanning a number of bestselling cookbooks, an app, a deli in central London and a range of plant-based food products. I've been following Ella online for a long time and we had such a brilliant conversation about motherhood and redefining success.  Ella is mum to her daughter Skye, who just turned one. When we recorded this conversation, she was 33 weeks pregnant and getting ready to give birth to her second child. We talked about Ella's experience of early motherhood from her first pregnancy and what she plans to do differently this time. She shares her journey with guilt and pressure and how she is finding balance as a mother and founder of a a very busy, successful company. We also talk about Ella's own childhood and how it's shaped how she is now raising her own daughters. I really loved my conversation with Ella, and I hope you enjoy it too. As always, we continue the conversation over on Instagram, so do come and join us there.

This season of The ChickPeeps is brought to you by our friends at Vivo Life! Use our code 'chickpeeps10' to get 10% off your order at vivolife.com. Happy holidays! In this episode, our annual Christmas meet-up, The ChickPeeps are here to add some moral support and laughter to your holiday season. The holidays can be challenging for vegans so in this episode the hosts tackle some holiday-related listener questions and play an exuberant round of ‘Vegan Troll in the Dungeon'.  While you're listening, please take a moment to check out the link to our sponsor. Not only are Vivo Life a great, vegan company, but their support also allows us to continue to produce The ChickPeeps for you! We love them and their products and we think you will too. Also in this episode… The team share their go-to Christmas dinner favourites. Momo and Robbie have a debate about the popular Scandinavian cartoon The Moomins: Adorable or Creepy AF? Our foursome talk tactics for how to treat non-vegan gifts over the holidays without offending the gift-giver. The hosts each choose a Harry Potter character to invite to the Yule Ball. Drew, asks the gang's advice on how to navigate his veganism in the school where he teaches. It prompts some thought-provoking discussion. Sophia, one of our youngest listeners, asks a question about how to be an activist when adults and friends don't respect your cause. Evanna issues a formal apology for abusing her first troll in last month's Ask the ChickPeeps episode - does Farmer Giles accept? Evanna also attempts an Australian accent to confront Robbie with a real-life ChickPeeps-hater Troll - do not miss! Links: Recipes mentioned in the episode; Deliciously Ella's Chocolate Orange Truffles, Wicked Healthy Herb Crusted Butternut Squash, Happy Pear Wellington Watch Dominion movie (trigger warning; this is not for the faint of heart and probably not a good way to introduce non-vegans to the horrors of animal agriculture, but it is a powerful, accurate and unflinching look at the way our society exploits animals) PETA's Humane Education Division TeachKind Get In Touch: Bonus Content: ChickPeeps Patreon Instagram: @ChickPeepsPod Facebook: @ChickPeepsPodcast