Podcast appearances and mentions of Brett Gelman

You know him as Murray in “Stranger Things,” or Martin in “Fleabag,” or loved him in “Lemon” (the wonderful indie film he also co-wrote), or his countless guest star roles on Comedy Central, Adult Swim, “The Office,” “Curb” (the list goes on), but lately Brett Gelman has been venturing into more serious projects like “McVeigh” and “Lady in the Lake.” On this episode, he talks about the conscious choice to just “do great roles” that often takes him away from comedy. He talks about his relationship to the craft which started in acting school, explains how bombing on stage doing improv was great training for acting, describes why a method approach continues to serve him, makes a plea for us to stop being afraid to “enter into the ugly,” and much more. Currently you can catch him, and his co-host (and wife) Ari Dayan, on their podcast “Neurotica,” which gives listeners an unfiltered view into their marriage! Listen wherever you get your podcasts! Back To One is the in-depth, no-nonsense, actors-on-acting podcast from  Filmmaker Magazine. In each episode, host Peter Rinaldi invites one working actor to do a deep dive into their unique process, psychology, and approach to the craft.  Follow Back To One on Instagram

In this episode Daniel and Mason chat about the new release McVeigh. Focusing on Timothy McVeigh (Alfie Allen) in the weeks and days before the Oklahoma City bombing, which is to this day the most devastating domestic terrorist attack on US soil. Also in the episode, Daniel is joined by Ashley Benson, Anthony Carrigan and Bret Gelman who star in the film, to chat about their work on it.  Films discussed during this episode: McVeigh Black Bag A Better Man 28 Weeks Later Zodiac If you have any questions or comments, or would like to recommend a movie we cover next please reach out to us on social media. We're on Facebook, X (formerly known as Twitter) and Instagram. Next Episode: Rule Breakers 

Fecha de Grabación: Martes 26 de noviembre de 2024. Algunos temas comentados: DC expande su línea de Compact Comics con 15 títulos más Artistas ingleses con estilo similar ¿Coincidencia o algo más? El futuro de Marvel Studios y sus posibilidades de éxito Thanos y el impacto narrativo de sus acciones y motivos Versiones coloreadas de cómics originalmente publicados en B/N Además: Dune (novelas y películas), Captain America (Ta-Nehisi Coates), Cully Hamner, John Layman, Eddie Campbell, los nuevos cómics de Alien, ¡...y mucho más! Comentario de películas: Monkey Man (Monkey Man: El Despertar de la Bestia), película coescrita y dirigida por Dev Patel, con las actuaciones del mismo Patel y Sharlto Copley, entre otros. (Monkeypaw Productions/Universal Pictures) Boy Kills World (Contra Todos), comedia de acción distópica dirigida por Moritz Mohr, con las actuaciones de Bill Skarsgård, Jessica Rothe, Michelle Dockery, Brett Gelman, Isaiah Mustafa, Yayan Ruhian, Andrew Koji, Sharlto Copley y Famke Janssen. (Nthibah Pictures) Twisters (Tornados), dirigida por Lee Isaac Chung a partir de un guion de Mark L. Smith, protagonizada por Daisy Edgar-Jones, Glen Powell, Anthony Ramos, Maura Tierney, Brandon Perea, Daryl McCormack, Sasha Lane, Kiernan Shipka y Nik Dodani. (Universal Pictures/Warner Bros. Pictures) Comentario de cómics: Eight Limbs, novela gráfica escrita por Stephanie Phillips, con arte de Giulia Lalli, color de Lee Loughridge y rótulos de JAME. (Humanoids) Pueden escuchar el podcast en uno de estos reproductores: Descarga directa MP3 (Botón derecho del mouse y "guardar enlace como"). Peso: 91.8 MB; Calidad: 128 Kbps. El episodio tiene una duración de 1:40:02 y la canción de cierre es "Tan solo" de Los Piojos. Además de usar nuestras redes sociales (Twitter, Bluesky, Facebook, Instagram), también puedes interactuar con nosotros en nuestro servidor de Discord, donde una pequeña comunidad comparte recomendaciones, arte, ofertas, memes y más, y la conversación gira alrededor de muchos temas además de los cómics. ¡Únete a nuestro servidor en Discord! También tenemos una página en Patreon. Cada episodio se publica ahí entre 24 y 72 horas antes que en otros canales, y hay un especial mensual exclusivo para suscriptores de esa plataforma, con contenido adicional exclusivo a partir de cierto nivel de aporte. Puedes ser uno de nuestros patreoncinadores™ aportando desde 1 dólar, ya sea cada mes y por el tiempo que decidas, o como aporte de una sola vez. También puedes encontrar nuestro podcast en los siguientes agregadores y servicios especializados: Comicverso en Spotify Comicverso en iVoox Comicverso en Apple Podcasts Comicverso en Amazon Music Comicverso en Archive.org Comicverso en I Heart Radio Comicverso en Overcast.fm Comicverso en Pocket Casts Comicverso en RadioPublic Comicverso en CastBox.fm ¿Usas alguna app o servicio que no tiene disponible el podcast de Comicverso? En la parte alta de la barra lateral está el feed del podcast, el cual puedes agregar al servicio de tu preferencia si éste ofrece la opción. Nos interesa conocer tus críticas y opiniones para seguir mejorando. Si te gusta nuestro trabajo, por favor comparte el enlace a esta entrada o a nuestro perfil en el servicio de tu preferencia, cuéntale a tus amigos sobre el podcast, y recomiéndalo a quien creas que le pueda interesar. Deja tus comentarios o escríbenos directamente a comicverso@gmail.com

Send us a textA fever dream long form podcast that features Carlitos, a good friend with a brother rating of 10. When his family is affected by Indonesian Black Magic, he is trained by a mysterious shaman to repress his memories of previous Patreon Takeovers so he may once again team up with Trick or Treat Radio to save his family. On Episode 641 of Trick or Treat Radio we are joined by Carlitos for his Patreon Takeover! This time around Carlitos has chosen the films Boy Kills World and Mystics in Bali for us to discuss! We also talk about potato balls, bad sequels, action comedy films, and Asian cult cinema. So grab your disembodied head before all your internal organs fall out, figure out a fitting voice for your inner dialogue, and strap on for the world's most dangerous podcast!Stuff we talk about: The Devil's Bath, folk horror, theatrical releases, Moe's Toyroom, NECA, Jason, Michael Myers, Carlitos, Sinister Creature Con, Patreon Takeover, Nosferatu, Robert Eggers, Greg the Bunny, Count Blah, Longlegs, A Quiet Place: Day One, Demonwarp, Devil's Doorway, Gala or gayla?, Dress Barn, Potato Balls, Exorcist II: The Heretic, bad sequels, Batman and Robin, Linda Blair, The Exorcist: Believer, Mike Flanagan, nicotine patches on a platter, Matt McCoy, Christopher Lee, Peter Bonerz, Harlan Williams, Ron Perlman, Gregg Berger, Bright Lights, Big City, peterbonerz69, Sam Raimi, Boy Kills World, Bill Skarsgard, Sharlto Copley, Jessica Rothe, Cameron Crovetti, Yayan Ruhian, Peter Jackson, Oldboy, They Live, big action set pieces, The Matrix, Enter the Dragon, Jet Li, The Protector, Ong Bak, Tony Jaa, Karate Kill, Goodnight Mommy, Casper Van Dien, Cheez Wizard, the difficult balance between action and comedy, the importance of set pieces in action films, H. Jon Benjamin, Spine of Night, Patton Oswalt, Monkey Man, District 9, Free Fire, Payday 2, Brett Gelman, Isaiah Mustafa, Mystics in Bali, Indonesian Horror, Gilbert Gottfried, Timo Tjahjanto, Suburban Commando, Nobody, The Big Four, The Crow, Nosferatu, Lady Terminator, The Boxers Omen, Mondo Macabro, Cannibal Holocaust, Uwe Boll, a pig with breasts, Indonesian Casablanca, Creepshow, Drug Traffic, film oddity, The Substance, Demi Moore, Mubi, Coralie Fargeat, Revenge, Ivan from Kostroma, A-Lister, The Sugarcubes, Bjork, Borscht Buddies, Peter Stalin, Ivan Hanks, Rage Against the Vagine, Borscht Buddies, and a spoonful of sugar makes the black magic go down.Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/trickortreatradioJoin our Discord Community: discord.trickortreatradio.comSend Email/Voicemail: mailto:podcast@trickortreatradio.comVisit our website: http://trickortreatradio.comStart your own podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/?referrer_id=386Use our Amazon link: http://amzn.to/2CTdZzKFB Group: http://www.facebook.com/groups/trickortreatradioTwitter: http://twitter.com/TrickTreatRadioFacebook: http://facebook.com/TrickOrTreatRadioYouTube: http://youtube.com/TrickOrTreatRadioInstagram: http://instagram.com/TrickorTreatRadioSupport the show

First, Adam is joined by Senior Director of Outreach for PragerU, Sabrina Kosmas. They open by talking about using Waze and an autistic boy who was slapped for touching a driver's hood ornament. Then they discuss some news including stories about the benefits of cold showers and the flawed concept of universal basic income. Next, Adam welcomes comedian Rachel Feinstein to the show to discuss her new Netflix special, her mother's tendency to overshare, and the 1970s films about racial injustice that Adam's mom forced him to watch. Lastly, Adam welcomes actor & author Brett Gelman (Stranger Things), they talk about John Cusack going insane, dating on Raya, and Brett's new book “The Terrifying Realm of the Possible: Nearly True Stories.” For more with Rachel Feinstein: ● INSTAGRAM: @rachel feinstein_ ● WEBSITE: rachel-feinstein.com For more with Brett Gelman: ● Buy his new book: The Terrifying Realm of the Possible: Nearly True Stories ● INSTAGRAM: @brettgelman ● TWITTER: @brettgelman ● TIKTOK: @brettgelman Thank you for supporting our sponsors: ● http://OReillyAuto.com/Adam

It's @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ time babeeey!! This week, we're back to five films, starting things off with an action joint from MSR Media SKN & Saban Films. We have two from Netflix, a rom-com via Roth/Kirschenbaum Films and a return to a beloved franchise thanks to Don Simpson/Jerry Bruckheimer Films, Eddie Murphy Productions. There's also the great drama from Significant Productions, Confluential Films, AUM Group & Apple Original Films, AND bonkers adrenaline fuelled smasher from Nthibah Pictures, Raimi Productions, Ventaro Film, Lionsgate & Signature Entertainment. Today we have: The Island Watch Review: Here. https://youtu.be/urLyKSKC7OM Digital Release Date: 21st July 2023 Director: Shaun Paul Piccinino Cast: Michael Jai White, Gillian White, Cami Storm, Tristan Duncan, Jackson Rathbone, Wayne Gordon, Edoardo Costa, Amber Townsend, Esther Brooks, Corbie Cenita, Kishorn Charles, Frank Corbie, Winston Crooke, Sadique Daniel, Kevin Davis Running Time: 93 min Cert: 15 Trailer: Here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vInLr1OZ_0w Website: Here. https://www.msrmediaskn.com/films/the-island ---------------- A Family Affair Watch Review: Here. https://youtu.be/jUo5DP1izBo Digital Release Date: 28th June 2024 Director: Richard LaGravenese Cast: Nicole Kidman, Zac Efron, Joey King, Kathy Bates, Liza Koshy, Ian Gregg, Sherry Cola, Irene Kim, Wes Jetton, Sarah Baskin, Zele Avradopoulos, Vince Pisani, Olivia Macklin, Vee Bhakta, Brooks Ashmanskas Running Time: 114 min Cert: 12a Trailer: Here. https://youtu.be/Ytc2eifpiuQ?si=xgIWvBY_thIT_IWd Website: Here. https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/a-family-affair-nicole-kidman-zac-efron-joey-king-release-date-photo ---------------- Fancy Dance Watch Review: Here. https://youtu.be/lmk51ikgfEk 2023 Sundance Film Festival, World Premiere: 20th January 2023 Theatrical Release Date: 21st June 2024 Digital Release Date: 28th June 2024 Director: Erica Tremblay Cast: Lily Gladstone, Isabel DeRoy-Olson, Hauli Sioux Gray, Shea Whigham, Audrey Wasilewski, Ryan Begay, Crystyle Lightning, Dennis Newman, Tamara Podemski, Cory Hart, Ryan RedCorn, Kylie Dirtseller, Lillian Faye Thomas, Casey Camp-Horinek, Trey Munden, Blake Blair, Dennis Newman, Running Time: 90 min Cert: 15 Trailer: Here. https://youtu.be/AmPPiLaiN8g?si=hFNEGUH-hep9GP9S Website: Here. https://www.apple.com/uk/tv-pr/news/2024/06/apple-original-films-celebrates-the-premiere-of-fancy-dance/ ---------------- Beverly Hills Cop: Axel F Watch Review: Here. https://youtu.be/DdeM3vtVrHE Digital Release Date: 3rd July 2024 Director: Mark Molloy Cast: Eddie Murphy, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Kevin Bacon, Taylour Paige, Judge Reinhold, John Ashton, Paul Reiser, Bronson Pinchot, Mark Pellegrino, Luis Guzmán, Christopher McDonald Running Time: 115 min Cert: 15 Trailer: Here. https://youtu.be/KoxhkE_U3Ww?si=RRoJ3SBMWQs_0MSh Website: Here. https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/beverly-hills-cop-axel-f-release-date-plot ---------------- Boy Kills World Watch Review: Here. https://youtu.be/g4dwsMApPak Toronto International Film Festival, World Premiere: 9th September 2023 Theatrical Release Date: 26th April 2024 Digital Release Date: 5th July 2024 Director: Moritz Mohr Cast: Bill Skarsgård, Jessica Rothe, Michelle Dockery, Brett Gelman, Isaiah Mustafa, Yayan Ruhian, Cameron Crovetti, Nicholas Crovetti, Quinn Copeland, Andrew Koji, Sharlto Copley, H. Jon Benjamin, Famke Janssen, Dawid Szatarski, Dorothy Ann Gould, Rolanda Marais, Ashley Dowds, Jane de Wet Running Time: 111 min Cert: 18 Trailer: Here. https://youtu.be/QoyJ6dozRT0 Website: Here. https://www.boykillsworld.info/home/ ---------------- *(Music) 'Da Joint' (Instrumental) by EPMD - 2020

Greetings programs!  Join us as we dive into Boy Kills World, the new live action cartoon action film starring Bill Skarsgård, and then return with us to the wasteland as we look at George Miller's latest, Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga.  We have a lot to say about both of these movies and we hope you enjoy the show!BONUS CONTENT:     This week on the bonus show we talk about formative but perhaps underseen or underappreciated movies from the late 1990s, including titles like Don McKellar's Last Night, Alex Proyas' Dark City, and more.  All patrons get access to the bonus show and patronage starts at just $2 Canadian per month!Link: https://www.patreon.com/posts/june-2nd-bonus-105580962SUPPORT:             Patreon    Ko-Fi EPISODE HOMEPAGE:     This episodes homepage has JustWatch-powered links that will take you to wherever you can buy, rent, or stream each of these movies.  The links update based on your location and film availability, so bookmark the page if there isn't availability when you check, because there will be soon!Link: https://awesomefriday.ca/2024/06/podcast-boy-kills-world-amp-furiosa-a-mad-max-saga/CONNECT WITH US:        Awesome Friday: https://awesomefriday.ca        Matthew: https://stretched.ca/ Simon: https://temporarypen.com/ SHOW LINKS: Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/awesome-friday/id480100293 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4kwPQGeBvVFVtewkCbrbA9 Amazon: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/18daf305-2c59-4718-bd5c-0dc393173353 Deezer: https://www.deezer.com/en/show/2775782 Goodpods: https://goodpods.app.link/ulvugeHonjb IHeartRadio: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/85390621/ Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes480100293/the-awesome-friday-movie-podcast Meanwhile, relax and enjoy your flight. 

On Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito this week, Brett Gelman (Stranger Things). What would have been if Brett didn't become a comedian and actor? What type of work would he be doing if he wasn't playing Murray Bauman in Netflix's horror-supernatural series Stranger Things and as Martin in the BBC comedy Fleabag? Many celebrities will tell you that if not for that one lucky break or meeting, they would be a mall security guard, or minding the family store. They may have been just a jobber. Thanks for listening, please rate, review, and subscribe to the Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito wherever you pod.

This week Make it a Combo dives into the movie, Boy Kills World starring Bill Skarsgård, Jessica Rothe, Michelle Dockery, and Brett Gelman. Jesse dives into why the boy would have no idea what caramel tastes line. Andi raves about Skarsgård's kissable lips. Plus Jr lets everyone know that this movie rocks.    Where to find the crew: @makeitacombopod on Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok Jesse @LordLenix on Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok Jr @a.jr.combo on Instagram and @ajrcombo on Twitter Andi @talesfromtheappspodcast on Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok   All Our Podcasts on Make it a Combo Productions: Tales form the Apps @talesfromtheappspodcast on Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok Dream Talk @dreamtalkthepodcast on Instagram

On this week's episode Will, Ian and- Where's Nora! They took her, now they must dedicate their life to revenge, to destroying those who stole Nora from them! Years of training is all they remember, and a desire for vengence. Kill Kill Kill!!! Murder fist-gun shoot, kicks, flips- Oh wait, she was just sick.... soooo- BOY KILLS WORLD Directed by: Moritz Mohr. Starring: Bill Skarsgard, Jessica Rothe, Famke Jansson, Sharlto Copely, Michelle Dockery, Andrew Koji, Isiah Mustafa, Brett Gelman, Yayan Ruhian, Quinn Copeland, H. John Benjamin and Many Other Talented People! 00:30- No Nora

Welcome back, fellow movie buffs! This week on the I Hate Critics Movie Review Podcast, we delve into a trio of cinematic experiences ranging from the hauntingly fresh to the timelessly classic. Join us as we dissect, discuss, and debate the latest releases and a beloved gem from the past. 1. "Boy Kills World" (2024) Director: Moritz Mohr Writer(s): Tyler Burton Smith, Arend Remmers Starring: Bill Skarsgard, Jessica Rothe, Famke Janssen, Brett Gelman, Sharlto Copley Release Date: April 26th, 2024 Synopsis: Enter a world where innocence shatters against the stark realities of life. "Boy Kills World" takes us on a gripping journey through the eyes of its titular character, exploring the complexities of morality, survival, and the blurred lines between right and wrong. 2. "Challengers" (2024) Director/Writer: Luca Guadagnino Starring: Zendaya, Josh O'Connor, Mike Faist Release Date: April 26th, 2024 Synopsis: Luca Guadagnino returns with another visual masterpiece, weaving a tale of passion, ambition, and the unyielding pursuit of greatness. "Challengers" invites us into the competitive world of [add brief plot summary or theme]. 3. "What Ever Happened to Baby Jane?" (1962) Director: Robert Aldrich Writer: Lukas Heller Starring: Joan Crawford, Bette Davis Release Date: October 31st, 1962 Synopsis: A timeless classic that continues to captivate audiences with its spellbinding performances and sinister intrigue. Joan Crawford and Bette Davis deliver tour-de-force portrayals in this chilling tale of sibling rivalry and psychological suspense. Don't forget to connect with us on social media to stay updated on all things cinema and podcast-related: Website: www.ihatecritics.com Facebook: Everyone Is a Critic Podcast Twitter: @criticspod Instagram: @criticspod Patreon: patreon.com/criticspod Tee Public: Critics Pod Merchandise YouTube: I Hate Critics Podcast And don't miss out on Jeff's incredible art at jefflassiter.com and Sean's insightful reviews at seanatthemovies.blogspot.com. Tune in, share your thoughts, and keep the cinematic conversation alive!

Brett Gelman is best and more recently known for his work on shows like Fleabag and Stranger things, but the actor has been around for years. Throughout his career he's also been a vocal advocate against antisemitism and Jewish inclusion in Hollywood. Following the October 7 attacks, Brett stepped up his activism and has been a steadfast supporter of the Israeli victims of the massacre, making visits to hospitals in the days following, sharing their stories on social media, and recentering the conversation.   Brett joined host Jay Ruderman for a conversation about his Jewish upbringing, being a public figure who speaks out, his latest book, to his desire to see more Jewish inclusion in Hollywood.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hey there [REDACTED] and [REDACTED], you're probably wondering why the windows are blacked out on this plane. We're doing Inside Job this week! The first in house Netflix animated series and brainchild of long time animation story creator Shion Takeuchi. What is Inside Job? Well it's a workplace comedy set at [LOCATION REDACTED] and starring Lizzy Caplan, Christian Slater, Clark Duke, Tisha Campbell, Any Daly, Bobby Lee, Brett Gelman and many many more major comedy names. So come join us as we JUST ASK SOME QUESTIONS DAMNIT. Hosts [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pilotslicense/support

SIGN UP FOR REGAL UNLIMITED W/ PROMO CODE - REGALNBP24 - https://regmovies.onelink.me/4207629222/q4j9urzs "Boy Kills World" had its world premiere at the 2023 Toronto International Film Festival, where it received positive reactions for its bonkers creativity, wild action, and bloody violence. Filmmaker Moritz Mohr was kind enough to spend some time talking with us about his directorial debut, which had a proof of concept so wild and imaginative it managed to bring Sam Raimi on board as a producer, and Bill Skarsgård, Jessica Rothe, Michelle Dockery, Famke Janssen, Sharlto Copley, Brett Gelman, Isaiah Mustafa, and Andrew Koji to star. Please be sure to check out the film, which will be released this weekend in theaters from Lionsgate and Roadside Attractions. Thank you and enjoy! Check out more on NextBestPicture.com Please subscribe on... SoundCloud - https://soundcloud.com/nextbestpicturepodcast Apple Podcasts - https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/negs-best-film-podcast/id1087678387?mt=2 Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/7IMIzpYehTqeUa1d9EC4jT YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWA7KiotcWmHiYYy6wJqwOw And be sure to help support us on Patreon for as little as $1 a month at https://www.patreon.com/NextBestPicture Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this episode of Reel Insights, the Mayor of Nerdtropolis, Sean Tajipour, chats with Famke Janssen and Brett Gelman, who star in the film Boy Kills World. Review: https://Nerdtropolis.com/boy-kills-world-movie-review/ Advance Screenings: https://Nerdtropolis.com/tag/advance-screenings --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/nerdtropolis/support

You may know him from his role as Murray Bauman in Stranger Things and as Martin in the BBC comedy Fleabag. Brett Gelman has dreamed of being a famous actor since he was a child growing up in Highland Park, Illinois, where he wanted to make the other kids laugh and wound up feeling like an outcast. Gelman has written about his childhood and his neuroses in a book called The Terrifying Realm of the Possible. He's run into problems publicizing the book after making impassioned speeches about his support for Israel in the conflict with Gaza.  Get ready for a heated discussion (and laughs). “Now What?” is produced with the help of Steve Zimmer, Lucy Little and Jackie Schwartz. Audio production is by Nick Ciavatta.

Thank you for being part of the conversation.  This is Play It Forward.  Real people.  Real stories.  The struggle to Play It Forward Episode 620 with actor Brett Gelman, author of the new book The Terrifying Realm Of The Possible: Nearly True Stories. A daring and hilariously neurotic literary debut from the acclaimed actor and comedian Brett Gelman (Stanger Things, Fleabag, LOVE).   Enter the wonderfully weird, always uncomfortable, side-splittingly funny world of THE TERRIFYING REALM OF THE POSSIBLE, where your worst fears of who you are or might become are always just around the corner. In Gelman's masterful short stories, you'll meet five individuals, each navigating a uniquely strange stage of life:   ABRAHAM AMSTERDAM (the child) MENDEL FREUDENBERGER (the teenager) JACKIE COHEN (the adult) IRIS BELOW (the senior) Z (the dead)Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/arroe-collins-unplugged-totally-uncut--994165/support.

A lot of you fell in love with Brett Gelman as Murray in Netflix's Stranger Things seriesBrett's new book is entitled “THE TERRIFYING REALM OF THE POSSIBLE-Brett talks about his new book -Stranger Things Demogorgon-Stranger Things is filming right now-When will we see the new season of Stranger Things -Working on 'Curb your Enthusiasm' with Larry David  To subscribe to The Pete McMurray Show Podcast just click here

MSNBC's Ari Melber hosts "The Beat" on Friday, March 29, and reports on gerontocracy in U.S. politics, Donald Trump's legal battles and GOP voter fraud hypocrisy. Michael Beschloss joins to discuss. Plus, actor and comedian Brett Gelman and Politico White House correspondent Eugene Daniels join Melber in the latest "Fallback" installment.

This week on Unorthodox, we're hoping the Jewish James Bond rumours are true. Plus, interviews with three awesome Jews:  Dan Pashman, host of The Sporkful podcast, joins us to talk about his new cookbook, Anything's Pastable: 81 Inventive Pasta Recipes for Saucy People, and how his Jewish identity inspires his inquisitive approach to food and storytelling. Podcaster and writer Zibby Owens returns to tell us about her debut novel, Blank, plus how she's helping fight antisemitism in the publishing world.  Stranger Things actor Brett Gelman discusses his new short story collection, The Terrifying Realm of the Possible, as well as his experience being loudly and proudly Jewish online in the wake of the October 7th attacks.   Write to us at unorthodox@tabletmag.com, or leave a voicemail on our listener line: (914) 570-4869.  Unorthodox is produced by Tablet Studios. Check out all of our podcasts at tabletmag.com/podcasts. SPONSORS: Fire Dance, a tale of passion, fulfillment, and faith, is now streaming exclusively on ChaiFlicks, the Jewish streaming service. Starring Yehuda Levi and Noa Koler, the series paints a picture of an ultra-Orthodox community at the foot of the Sea of Galilee. Unorthodox listeners get 50% off new subscriptions and a 7-day free trial with code FIREPOD at checkout. Visit ChaiFlicks.com to get started. Meir Panim has served over one million meals to Israelis in need since the start of the war, many of them displaced and jobless due to the conflict. Consider a donation to Meir Panim at israelcharity.org to bring hope to their Passover tables. The BGU MBA International Program is a one-year English-language MBA led by industry experts in Israel's innovation hub. Designed for global success, the program includes entrepreneurship masterclasses, networking opportunities, and hands-on startup idea development, all within a vibrant campus. Learn more here.  Berkeley Moshav is a multigenerational Jewish cohousing community in Berkeley, California. Open to all backgrounds and family types, Berkeley Moshav offers family-focused, Jewishly diverse living. To learn more, visit BerkeleyMoshav.org and sign up for an information session. Simplify your giving with the Jewish Communal Fund, the nation's largest Jewish donor-advised fund. Act by December 29th to lock in the maximum charitable deduction for 2023. Get started at JCFNY.org. The Institute for Jewish Spirituality is offering a spring Omer course called “Awareness in Action: Cultivating Character Through Mindfulness and Middot.” Building on the Institute's 25 years of teaching Jewish mindfulness practices, the course covers Tikkun Middot, the practice of developing desirable character traits. Register by April 7th at JewishSpirituality.org. MAZON: A Jewish Response to Hunger works to help the millions of people struggling daily with food insecurity, both in the U.S. and Israel. Make a gift at MAZON.org to help ensure that everyone can feed themselves and their families with dignity, this Passover and beyond. Leket, Israel's National Food Bank, is feeding vulnerable Israelis struggling with cost-of-living increases and the many other impacts of the war. Donations make a difference: $180 provides 130 rescued meals, leaving no one behind this Passover. Visit www.Leket.org/en to donate today. 

This week we're sitting down with the fearless, hilarious, and thoughtful Brett Gelman (Stranger Things, Fleabag) as he opens up about the challenges that have shaped him, from his early battles with OCD and questioning his identity, to intense enmeshment with his mother and overcoming those tendencies as he navigates adult relationships. Brett opens up about:- The ways he felt different growing up- His early experiences with drug use- His OCD around numbers and fear of the future- Why questioning his sexuality as a kid led him to have a breakdown He also shares insights on method acting, the importance of creating space for men to challenge toxic masculinity, and the importance of infusing all of your endeavors with a little bit of yourself. PLUS Mayim explains why self-centeredness may actually be at the root of our attempts at caring for others! This conversation is a must-watch for anyone seeking to understand the intricate dance between our past experiences and our present selves. TUNE IN to find out how facing your past can dramatically reshape your future! Brett Gelman's new book, The Terrifying Realm of the Possible: Nearly True Stories: https://www.harpercollins.com/products/the-terrifying-realm-of-the-possible-brett-gelman?variant=41073650204706 BialikBreakdown.comYouTube.com/mayimbialik

Dey Street Books is thrilled to announce the upcoming publication of THE TERRIFYING REALM OF THE POSSIBLE: Nearly True Stories, a daring and hilariously neurotic literary debut from the acclaimed actor and comedian Brett Gelman (Stanger Things, Fleabag, LOVE). Enter the wonderfully weird, always uncomfortable, side-splittingly funny world of THE TERRIFYING REALM OF THE POSSIBLE, where your worst fears of who you are or might become are always just around the corner. In Gelman's masterful short stories, you'll meet five individuals, each navigating a uniquely strange stage of life: ABRAHAM AMSTERDAM (the child)MENDEL FREUDENBERGER (the teenager)JACKIE COHEN (the adult)IRIS BELOW (the senior)Z (the dead) These characters face the big issues; the ones we all face. As they traverse the prickly terrain of morality, family, sex, fame, religion, and death they search for answers to life's unanswerable questions. In the futility of that search comes the absurdity, along with the comedy. The composite portrait is an existential (mis)adventure of Rothian proportions. Illustrated with original drawings by the author, Gelman's remarkable first book is a bold, unforgettable debut that challenges our assumptions about what it means to be human.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/arroe-collins-like-it-s-live--4113802/support.

Today on the show: the latest on the Russian terror attack with former CBS News Radio Moscow Bureau Chief Beth Knobel. Will Trump post bond today? Erick Erickson live with the latest on #campaign2024. Actor and author Brett Gelman. Plus, Ryan and Mike from Nickelback! 9am-noon on 95.5 WSB.

This Morning, go around the workout-about, Brett Gelman from Stranger Things joins us, and Niagara Falls is always letting us know what not to do over in the Niagara Falls Police BlotterSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Murrary from "Stranger Things" had plenty of time to write a book, since they take SO DAMN LONG between releasing new seasons of the Netflix series!

It's an excellent and thoughtful podcast this week. Host Neal Pollack welcomes Sharyn Vane and Michael Washburn to discuss their recent articles about questionable attitudes toward Israel and Jewish people in general in the literary world. Sharyn discusses the cancellation of actor Brett Gelman's recent book tour, tying it to how progressives don't want to approach the Israel-Hamas conflict with anything even close to nuance. Michael, who wrote about a South African writer returning a prestigious literary medal in protest of the German government's support of Israel, says that antisemitism on the left is a real problem. Neal is just concerned about anti-Jewish sentiment in general among writers, who have, at least in his lifetime, been strong allies of the Jewish people. That calculus has clearly changed, and we will continue to cover this change on Book and Film Globe.We will also continue to cover lesbian road-trip crime movies if they make any more, which they probably won't. Regardless, Stephen Garrett is here so he and Neal can be two straight guys talking about lesbian road-trip crime movies. Stephen makes the interesting point that 'Love Lies Bleeding' and 'Drive Away Dolls' both take place in the past, because only in the past would gay female relationships be an issue that would create any kind of dramatic tension. They both praise Katy O'Brien's magnetic performance in Love Lies Bleeding, and Neal liked the ironic ending, but Stephen found the movie too self-satisfied and didn't really admire the empty artistic flourishes.'Drive Away Dolls' from Ethan Coen, on the other hand, is the kind of embarrassing lesbian movie "grandpa" would make, Stephen says, though, like Neal, he found the central relationship sweet and Margaret Qualley's lead performance really compelling. Both these movies suffer from script problems and relevance problems, though they're relevant enough for us to talk about.Enjoy our show, which is always relevant!

- SKOR North's Judd Zulgad shares Anthony Edwards' amazing feat of athleticism in the Wolves' win over the Utah Jazz last night where he put another man on a poster, breaks some bad news about the Twins injury woes to Tom, and talks about how despite the hardship the Twins can definitely win the division. - KSTP's Chris Egert joins the show and shares nothing but bad news about how the temperature is going to dip and Minnesotans can expect a solid handful of precipitation and snow over the next week or two. Plus a note on why Minnesotans should keep an eye on Capitol Hill in St. Paul about the rideshare discussions. - Actor Brett Gelman joins the show to talk about his first book "The Terrifying Realm of the Possible: Nearly True Stories" which centers around five different characters who grapple with the themes of life. You'll know Gelman from his work in Stranger Things, Fleabag, Lemon, LOVE, and many more! - Kristyn Burtt urges Tom to start writing a memoir even though Tom is against the idea, shares an update on the potential banning of TikTok in the US and why Hollywood is leaning towards the side of the app, discusses the crew's casting in Tom's life movie, and talks on the "Quiet on Set" Nickelodeon documentary. Stream the show LIVE on the Tom Barnard Show app M-F from 8-9:30AM or get the show on-demand on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is pushing back against U.S. officials who are demanding he do more to protect civilians in Gaza, including Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, who last week called for new elections in Israel and said Netanyahu had lost his way. CBS News foreign correspondent Chris Livesay has more from Tel Aviv.A 77-year-old woman is being celebrated around the world for her insistent kindness. CBS News lead national correspondent David Begnaud traveled to Oceanside, California, to meet Gayle Noble.March Madness is back. The men's and women's brackets were revealed last night, and co-host Nate Burleson has the rundown for us.CBS Sports college basketball insider Jon Rothstein is here to help us break down the men's bracket.WNBA superstar Candace Parker is teaming up with AT&T, the official presenting sponsor of the 2024 CBS Sports brackets, to encourage everyone to fill out brackets for both the men's and women's NCAA basketball tournaments. Parker joined “CBS Mornings” to talk about March Madness.Brett Gelman, of “Stranger Things” and “Fleabag” fame, is out with a new book of short stories called "The Terrifying Realm of the Possible: Nearly True Stories." The book details the lives of five fictional characters who are all facing life's biggest issues. Gelman joined “CBS Mornings” to talk about it.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Stranger Things Actor Brett Gelman joins the Quad this week to discuss his journey from a "woke" critic of Israel's policy to becoming an outspoken supporter of the Jewish State. The Quad also discuss the global nature of the conflict that goes far beyond the Israel/Gaza borders. The current war has far-reaching implications for the Middle East and beyond.And, of course, the Scumbags and Heroes of the Week!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.insurgentspod.comLucidFoxx returns to talk about the Israeli comedy sketch featuring Brett Gelman, an update on Israel's attacks on Gaza, an 18-year-old Israeli Tal Mitnick who refused to join the IDF, the appropriate means of protest in the US and the Lincoln Project's new ad that could upend the 2024 election!

Take a look behind the scenes of Murder in HR. Watch exclusive never before seen interviews with Kate Mara, Brett Gelman, and Creator & Executive Producer Ian Faison of Caspian Studios.Murder in HR is a murder mystery podcast starring Kate Mara as Jemma, the newest Employee Experience Manager at tech start-up Peace of Ship. It's her first day, and she's being onboarded by her new Chief People Officer Nicholas, played by Brett Gelman. But when Larry, the company's travel manager, is electrocuted during the company All-Hands, Jemma uncovers a terrible secret: It was murder! With Nicholas's help, Jemma must use her HR skills to investigate her toxic colleagues – without becoming the next victim.Hear from the actors and story creators on how it all came to life!After we recorded with Kate and Brett in Los Angeles, they shared with us why they chose to take on these roles.“‘Jemma' is this smart, weird, quirky person who is given this seemingly impossible task to solve a murder in three days – and she is eternally optimistic about it.” said Kate Mara, who is starring in the podcast and an executive producer. “Nothing seems to rattle her. A toxic workplace, assassins, snakes, or robots. And she still wants to do her job and help everyone around her. The idea of playing a detective who is so positive and dedicated is exciting. I think the audience will love the comedy and satire in the story.”Brett Gelman is starring in the series and an executive producer.“I wanted to play Nicholas because I think it's an amazing opportunity to play a character who is supposedly in the power position but is actually not,” said Gelman. “There's something really beautifully sensitive about him. He really is in the job to help people and that a lot of the humor from the character comes from an anxiety of not being able to do that in the right way and from the mistakes that he's made as well.”This podcast is sponsored by Gympass.  

This week is “Welcome Party”. The Dunder Mifflin employees reluctantly throw a welcome party for Nellie. Meanwhile, Andy ungraciously breaks up with Jessica. “Office Ladies” fans go crazy over Nellie's shoebox, the ladies share their warm up songs, Jenna points out the moment Jessica lost her a little, and get ready, because Angela reads from her travel journal! So whether you know if Stanley has a mustache or not, you can enjoy this episode. (But he does, right?) Check out Brett Gelman's Performance of “One Thousand Cats”: https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/18/8621559/mad-men-hippie-brett-gelman-1000-cats Check out Office Ladies Merch at Podswag: https://www.podswag.com/collections/office-ladies Office Ladies Website - Submit a fan question: https://officeladies.com/submitaquestionFollow Us on Instagram: OfficeLadiesPod

With Jemma's life on the line, StarBoard puts their differences aside to confront the Captain. Season finale."And what fate befalls mutineers?"---Murder in HR.Presented by Gympass.Starring Kate Mara and Brett Gelman.A  Caspian Studios Production----Looking for a killer corporate wellness solution? Meet Gympass. Join more than 10,000 companies who already offer the most thrilling network of gyms, studios, classes, personal trainers, and wellness apps – all in one employee benefit. Cultivating a happy, healthy work environment should never be a mystery. Find out how you can bring Gympass to your company at Gympass.com.

We finally give our take on the SSniperwolf/Jacksfilms drama that made Bourg quit YouTube after 16 years as well as Brett Gelman going insane on IG. We also learned that Kathy Griffin is canonically Peter Griffin's cousin   Full episode at https://www.patreon.com/ChapoFYM

StarBoard splits up to find Nicholas. Jemma decides it's time for a fresh start.“A ship in the harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for.”---Murder in HR.Presented by Gympass.Starring Kate Mara and Brett Gelman.A  Caspian Studios Production----Looking for a killer corporate wellness solution? Meet Gympass. Join more than 10,000 companies who already offer the most thrilling network of gyms, studios, classes, personal trainers, and wellness apps – all in one employee benefit. Cultivating a happy, healthy work environment should never be a mystery. Find out how you can bring Gympass to your company at Gympass.com.

Jemma confronts her prime suspect -- and the toxic behavior of StarBoard.“Until you have the courage to lose sight of the shore, you will not know the terror of being forever lost at sea.”---Murder in HR.Presented by Gympass.Starring Kate Mara and Brett Gelman.A  Caspian Studios Production----Looking for a killer corporate wellness solution? Meet Gympass. Join more than 10,000 companies who already offer the most thrilling network of gyms, studios, classes, personal trainers, and wellness apps – all in one employee benefit. Cultivating a happy, healthy work environment should never be a mystery. Find out how you can bring Gympass to your company at Gympass.com.

Jemma enlists Blackbeard's help."Would you learn the secret of the sea? Only those who braves its dangers, comprehend its mystery!" - Longfellow---Murder in HR.Presented by Gympass.Starring Kate Mara and Brett Gelman.A  Caspian Studios Production----Looking for a killer corporate wellness solution? Meet Gympass. Join more than 10,000 companies who already offer the most thrilling network of gyms, studios, classes, personal trainers, and wellness apps – all in one employee benefit. Cultivating a happy, healthy work environment should never be a mystery. Find out how you can bring Gympass to your company at Gympass.com.

"A failed alibi has coastal consequences, and the Greenes' dog is denied a last meal. Larry confronts a buffet-line transgressor." -Original Air Date: 8/7/2011- This week we're talking about Vow of Silence, throwing going away parties for yourself, Brett Gelman and whether r not a confirmation of plans is necessary. This is No Hugging, No Learning, the show about one thing...watching Curb Your Enthusiasm for the first time. Want more NHNL? Next week's episode drops early on Patreon! Join the It's a Hyundai tier for just $5/month and get every episode one week early with all of the extra content that we usually clip out of each release and movie reviews every month from the Seinfeld Extended Universe. What would YOU like to hear for our next review? Sign up and let us know! Join Us at patreon.com/nohugging Get a FREE No Hugging, No Learning sticker by giving us a 5 star rating and a written review wherever you listen to this! Just be sure to send us your address! Email us: nohuggingnolearningshow@gmail.com Follow us!  @nohugging on X @nohugging_nolearning on Instagram Music: Curb Your Enthusiasm Theme Song Remix by robloxgreat (rip)

Before Jemma can make it to safe harbor, she is forced to stop at an unexpected port."Yo ho, yo ho, the frisky plank, You walks along it so, Till it goes down and you goes down. To Davy Jones below!" — Captain Hook---Murder in HR.Presented by Gympass.Starring Kate Mara and Brett Gelman.A  Caspian Studios Production----Looking for a killer corporate wellness solution? Meet Gympass. Join more than 10,000 companies who already offer the most thrilling network of gyms, studios, classes, personal trainers, and wellness apps – all in one employee benefit. Cultivating a happy, healthy work environment should never be a mystery. Find out how you can bring Gympass to your company at Gympass.com.

As Jemma and Nicholas seek answers, the mystery deepens.“A sailor is an artist whose medium is the wind. Live passionately, even if it kills you, because something is going to kill you anyway.” ----Murder in HR.Presented by Gympass.Starring Kate Mara and Brett Gelman.A  Caspian Studios Production----Looking for a killer corporate wellness solution? Meet Gympass. Join more than 10,000 companies who already offer the most thrilling network of gyms, studios, classes, personal trainers, and wellness apps – all in one employee benefit. Cultivating a happy, healthy work environment should never be a mystery. Find out how you can bring Gympass to your company at Gympass.com. 

Nicholas has a crisis of confidence after Jemma discovers new information about Larry's death.“The man who has experienced shipwreck shudders even at a calm sea.” ― Ovid----Murder in HR.Presented by Gympass.Starring Kate Mara and Brett Gelman.A  Caspian Studios Production----Looking for a killer corporate wellness solution? Meet Gympass. Join more than 10,000 companies who already offer the most thrilling network of gyms, studios, classes, personal trainers, and wellness apps – all in one employee benefit. Cultivating a happy, healthy work environment should never be a mystery. Find out how you can bring Gympass to your company at Gympass.com.

Jemma tries to get answers from the sales team during an HR leader's worst nightmare: the SKO.“There are more sharks on the land than in the sea.”----Murder in HR.Presented by Gympass.Starring Kate Mara and Brett Gelman.A  Caspian Studios Production----Looking for a killer corporate wellness solution? Meet Gympass. Join more than 10,000 companies who already offer the most thrilling network of gyms, studios, classes, personal trainers, and wellness apps – all in one employee benefit. Cultivating a happy, healthy work environment should never be a mystery. Find out how you can bring Gympass to your company at Gympass.com.

Jemma begins her investigation of StarBoard by going straight to the top: Gregory and Trish.“Smooth seas do not make skillful sailors.”----Murder in HR.Presented by Gympass.Starring Kate Mara and Brett Gelman.A  Caspian Studios Production----Looking for a killer corporate wellness solution? Meet Gympass. Join more than 10,000 companies who already offer the most thrilling network of gyms, studios, classes, personal trainers, and wellness apps – all in one employee benefit. Cultivating a happy, healthy work environment should never be a mystery. Find out how you can bring Gympass to your company at Gympass.com.

Jemma discovers the truth about Peace of Ship -- and the deadly consequences for revealing it."The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails."----Murder in HR.Presented by Gympass.Starring Kate Mara and Brett Gelman.A  Caspian Studios Production----Looking for a killer corporate wellness solution? Meet Gympass. Join more than 10,000 companies who already offer the most thrilling network of gyms, studios, classes, personal trainers, and wellness apps – all in one employee benefit. Cultivating a happy, healthy work environment should never be a mystery. Find out how you can bring Gympass to your company at Gympass.com.

In the aftermath of Larry's death, HR goes the extra nautical mile.“Red sky at night, sailor's delight. Red sky in morning, sailor's warning” ---Murder in HR.Presented by Gympass.Starring Kate Mara and Brett Gelman.A  Caspian Studios Production.---Looking for a killer corporate wellness solution? Meet Gympass. Join more than 10,000 companies who already offer the most thrilling network of gyms, studios, classes, personal trainers, and wellness apps – all in one employee benefit. Cultivating a happy, healthy work environment should never be a mystery. Find out how you can bring Gympass to your company at Gympass.com.

The Drunken Sailor: Jemma's first day at work ends in murder."He who lets the sea lull him into a sense of security is in very grave danger." ----Murder in HR.Presented by Gympass.Starring Kate Mara and Brett Gelman.A  Caspian Studios Production.----Looking for a killer corporate wellness solution? Meet Gympass. Join more than 10,000 companies who already offer the most thrilling network of gyms, studios, classes, personal trainers, and wellness apps – all in one employee benefit. Cultivating a happy, healthy work environment should never be a mystery. Find out how you can bring Gympass to your company at Gympass.com.

Trailer: It's Jemma's (Kate Mara) first day as Employee Experience Manager at Peace of Ship, an AI-powered tech startup. When her colleague Larry is electrocuted during the company All-Hands, she uncovers a terrible secret.It was murder! Now, she and her Chief People Officer, Nicholas (Brett Gelman), are tasked with finding the killer. She must use her HR skills to investigate her toxic colleagues – without becoming the next victim.----Murder in HR.Presented by Gympass. Starring Kate Mara and Brett Gelman. A Caspian Studios Production. ----Looking for a killer corporate wellness solution? Meet Gympass. Join more than 10,000 companies who already offer the most thrilling network of gyms, studios, classes, personal trainers, and wellness apps – all in one employee benefit. Cultivating a happy, healthy work environment should never be a mystery. Find out how you bring Gympass to your company at Gympass.com.

This week, Emmy nominated Writer/Producer Jonathan Fener, (American Dad!, iCarly, The Mindy Project, and many more) is on the podcast discussing the importance of having access to industry professionals, getting his footing in the industry, and working in the multi-cam world.Show NotesJonathan Fener on IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0271779/Jonathan Fener on Twitter: https://twitter.com/jfenskiMichael's Online Screenwriting Course - https://michaeljamin.com/courseFree Screenwriting Lesson - https://michaeljamin.com/freeJoin My Watchlist - https://michaeljamin.com/watchlistAutogenerated TranscriptMichael Jamin:I always say, you're kissing the wrong asses. Kiss the asses of assistants because they're not go, you know, they don't get their asses kissed. They, they love it. I mean, who wouldn't get, give 'em some attention. They get abused all the time, then they rise up eventually. So, yeah, those are the ones. You gotta be nice to the assistants always, you know.Hey everyone, it's Michael Jamin. Welcome back to Screenwriters. Need to hear this. I have a wonderful guest today. This is a, this is a, I'm gonna tell you the story, how, how we met. So, as you know, the Writers Guild of America's on Strike, and my next guest is a well-known Setcom writer, although we've never worked together over the years. So our paths, you know, we haven't really crossed, but we know all the same people. And then we started, we were on the picket line outside of CBS Radford, and we started chatting and we had a really nice talk. And I was like, well, this, I gotta bring this guy in the podcast. So everyone, if you're driving your car, please pull over, put your hands together. A warm round of applause for Mr. Jonathan Fener. He is, let me just give you some of his credits before I let him talk.You'll notice it's a 45 minute podcast, and I, I do talking for about 44 minutes of it, but I'm gonna talk about your credits. He, he wrote on Bette, the Bette Midler show, Veronica's Closet, do-Over Kid, notorious. It's all relative Method. And Red Father of the Pride, you remember that one with Siegfried and Wright the 78th Annual Academy Awards. I wanna talk about that. American Dad. We know that happy endings, old Soul telenovela, the Mindy Project. How come that wasn't a show? Why was that? Just a project. Trolls Holiday, Elliot to Vegas, American Housewife, trolls, holiday in Harmony. We'll talk about that. And most recently, the iCarly reboot as well as well Mullaney. But guys, this guy's been around the block. John, thank you so much for being on the show.Jonathan Fener:My pleasure. Thanks for having me. Thank.Michael Jamin:So, I wanna find out, I wanna know all about your, your history. Let's take it back from the beginning when your great grandparents met. Let's really do a deep dive into your life. ,Jonathan Fener:Eastern Europe.Michael Jamin:Eastern Europe. Let's justJonathan Fener:Do, yeah, let's go back to Eastern Europe.Michael Jamin:But tell me were you, were okay, so how did you first break into the business and did you always know you wanted to be a, a, a setcom writer?Jonathan Fener:Yeah. I, I, even when I didn't know that's what I wanted to do, I, I look back and I'm like, oh, that's what I wanted to do. You know, I, I feel like I'm part of a, a generation that you know, back to watching television shows, videotaping, you know, Saturday Night Live and Uhhuh and sitcoms and, and like I used to audiotape them toMichael Jamin:StudyJonathan Fener:Them and watch. Yeah. And, and, and like, I would, I would watch Saturday Night Live, even when I was old. It wasn't old enough to like watch it. I would tape it on the VCR that we had, the, the one that popped up Yeah. At the top. And then and then I would have an, and then in the morning I'd watch it all day. And I would, and, and I used to make mixtapes, I guess video mixtapes where I would like, like mix and match different sketches that I liked. And then I and I used to listen to those all the time. And then I would also, I'd watch television shows. I did do that thing where I, I would tape television shows and then I would try and like write out the script. I didn't, I didn't know what the formatting was, so I always was interested in Yes, you'dMichael Jamin:Write it, what kind of word for word? Or you'd write your own,Jonathan Fener:I'd write it word for word. I would transcribe.Michael Jamin:Because that made you a writer then. Did you think that was, what was the point of that?Jonathan Fener:Well,Michael Jamin:,Jonathan Fener:It's like this this, this is gonna sound douchey maybe, but I remember reading this quote, I, I, I think Hunters Thompson once said that he used to just type pages of the Great Gatsby, just to feel oh, what it was like to really, to write those words. Yeah. and so you can draw a direct line between me and Hunter s Thompson and The Great Gatsby. Yeah. And, you know, the Bette Midler show. Like, they're basically one to one.Michael Jamin:But then, and Okay, go on. So then, then as a kid, you,Jonathan Fener:Well, I always was a, I was a huge comedy fan. I was a huge movie, television, e everything fan, standup comedy. I loved standup comedy. Right. So was always too afraid to do it. But yeah, I mean, I always knew I wanted to be part of making that comedy, you know, television, movies, all that stuff. So I went to Fast Forward, I went to usc. I, I I didn't go to the film school, but I, I just was, just wanted to be in la Oh. And I guess sort of the way sort of goes, you, you get outta school and, and I, I knew a guy that I went to school with who worked at a talent agency, and he got me a job as a messenger when they were still inMichael Jamin:Existence as a messenger. And so you were driving around town delivering envelopes.Jonathan Fener:That sounds terrible. Thomas Guide. WithMichael Jamin:Your ThomasJonathan Fener:Guide, right? No yeah. In the heat and the traffic. And howMichael Jamin:Long did you do that for?Jonathan Fener:I was probably a messenger for about, I don't know, matter of months, maybe like 3, 4, 5 months. And then a desk opens up and then you're, you're answering phones, so, oh, soMichael Jamin:You didn't have to go to the mail room, you went from Messenger toJonathan Fener:It really wasn't a mail room. I, it was a very small town agency. Okay. It, it was called the Herb Schechter Company. Sure. I dunno if you ever No, I've heard. And it was like back in the day where, you know, he mostly represented like TV writers. They had a whole below the line department. It was a small agency and they didn't really have a male. One boutique. Yeah. Boutique. Boutique. They had a lot of like, guys that were like supervising producers on Magnum, stuff likeMichael Jamin:That. But that's a good, but then, so how long, cuz you know, I was a, I was an assistant at William Morris for three days. I got fired on my second day and I go, but I stuck out the week. I finished the week . So I, I applaud you for being like, it's just a hard job being an assistant for an agent, because I found it was,Jonathan Fener:Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I was an assistant for a lot of different people. I was, I, and it, I think it helped that it was kind of, I, I don't know if low, I guess low stakes, cuz it wasn't like, I wasn't at caa. I wasn't at, you know, William Morris. I was at this tiny little agency and this woman I worked for was, you know, she represented like stunt coordinators and, and oh, like that. So not that, look, I still had to do the like, rolling calls thing and all thatMichael Jamin:Stuff. But did you, but did that, did that give you context? Like what did that, what what, what was your takeaway from doing that job for howeverJonathan Fener:Long? Honestly, a lot of the jobs I had until I was a writer were, it taught me what I didn't want to do. Yes. I'm like, oh, I work for an agent. I don't wanna be an agent. Right. And then there's like a network of assistances mm-hmm. where, you know, there was another agent there, this really nice woman named Deborah Lee. I still remember her. She she called me in one day. She's like, what do you want to do? What are you doing? I'm like, I don't know. You know, I mean, I, I think I wanna write, but, you know, may maybe I wanna be a creative exec. I just, I wasn't sure. Okay. So she was like, well, I have a friend who works at Fox and they need an assistant. So, you know, if you wanna get outta here and go work there.And I was like, great. So I went to go work for this other woman and then I just met, I would just meet assistants and they would offer me other jobs. I worked for this guy. My biggest assistant job was I worked for this guy John Matian, who was the president of Fox Network. Mm-Hmm. . So that was the first time where I saw an entire television season from pitches, development scripts and shooting all the way through. Right. Cause I was on his desk and I read every script that came across his desk that was like, I don't know if you remember that guy, or even like, that was the year, that was like in the early mid nineties when they were like, maybe gonna try and do like friends. Like they had this show called Partners and Ned and Stacy andMichael Jamin:Ned and Stacy. Yep.Jonathan Fener:It was becoming a little bit more of like, let's try and make a, a friends clone. So like the XFiles was happening then, right? It was just like, it was, I had one year where I had an entire overview of television and I'm like, and then I would read the scripts and I'm like, I think I can, I I can do this. I can. SoMichael Jamin:Did who, where did you learn to write then? What do you, what was the next step?Jonathan Fener:I just figured it out. I mean, I think that what happened was I met my partner who was my friend Josh by Cell. And we were buddies. And he was at UCLA in screenwriting school actually. Okay. And he was actually writing with his dad. He, him and his dad were writing a script together. It was, it was very, and I was, we would just talk about stuff. And, and then, so the story is that we had another friend who was a PA on this show called The Single Guy. Yep. Remember that show with Jonathan Silverman? Yes.Michael Jamin:Jonathan Silverman. Yep.Jonathan Fener:Yeah. The Brad Hall show. And we, he used to bring home scripts every week and we would read them and we were like, I can't remember, one of us pitched an idea, but funny if they did an episode, whatever, like in real time of whatever. And then we're like, we should write it. Let's just write it. We know how to do it. We should just write it. So we sat down and wrote this script and it was, I thought it was pretty good. And , we, we, and, and again, the assistant network was we knew somebody who was an assistant to Richard Whites at the time. Yeah. Who was a young guy. AndMichael Jamin:And young agent. He was I c m probably, right?Jonathan Fener:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and it was just one of these things where like, after a while I was assistant for three, four years and I had access cuz all the young people that I was working with were now becoming executives or agents. Yeah. So there were people you could actually hand your script to. They would read it as opposed to just throwing it in a pile. Right. And the, the, the long and the short of it was Richard read the script because Brad was a client of his, and I remember he called me at my house and he was like, your friend Mallory gave me your script. I think it's funny and I think that you need to write something else because no one will read a single guy. He's like, I only read it because I represent Brad, but no one will read. He's like, you have to write friends, you have to write Seinfeld, you have to write news, radio, whatever. So Right. That, that was kind of the first thing where we were like, Hey, we can maybe do this. Let's doMichael Jamin:This. That's interesting because this is what I say. Cuz people always sit and they're like, well, do I have to move to Hollywood to break into Hollywood? It's like, well, this is how you do it. You get these jobs, you know, you become an assistant and you network or you get on the network and then that's how you make connections. So that's what you did. I do. I wonder, do you think the assistant network is still strong now? I mean, so everything's changing so much.Jonathan Fener:Yeah. You know, it's a good question. You know, it's like, that's the age old question. Like, how do you break in? And, you know, I feel for years now that like, maybe that's not the way it's done anymore. May maybe I'm just looking at like, stuff as like an older guy where like I look at people and I go, I don't know. Can't you make your own television show on your phone? Or something like, I, but you know, you, you still need some kind of access, I think. And maybe I don't even, maybe I don't, I can't wrap my mind around it a little bit. But like, it just seems like if you do, if you write something, if you make something, someone's gotta watch it. Someone's gotta see it. Mm-Hmm. that can make a decision for you or, or help you. Right. And that's about, that's about that relationships.Michael Jamin:But then how did, so what was your next step? How did you get on staff?Jonathan Fener:We wrote a bunch of specs and we had some friends that were becoming agents. A guy that I, I, I was, I was an assistant with a guy who became an agent and he was a paradigm. We, we kind of, we worked with him for a little bit, but it was, we, cuz like we were friends and like, when things don't go so well sometimes mm-hmm. , it's like it's messing up the relationship. So I think we just were able to get, look, we, we, we, anybody that would read our script, that was a, that was a young agent, we would somehow try and get to them. And everybody passed. One guy at I C m mm-hmm. was signed us. I mean, I, I remember very clearly getting a phone call. I, I, you know, my partner and I, Josh, our birthdays are a week apart. We really were like, you know, we were friends, we were, you know, we, it was like intertwined lives. But we were having like a joint birthday party mm-hmm. . And we got a phone call that, you know, they wanted to sign us. And that was a big, big fuckingMichael Jamin:Deal. And, and what, and they submitted you to which show? What was the first show then?Jonathan Fener:Well, this is funny how things work too. So his one big connection was this woman shit. Her name was Debbie. This is Embarra. I, that's okay. She, she ran Bry, Kaufman Crane. She was like their development person.Michael Jamin:Right.Jonathan Fener:And I feel bad that I don't remember her name cuz she was sweet. And, but that was a good relationship that he had. Mm-Hmm. . So they submitted us for Veronica's Closet. Right. The, it, it was, it had done a year. It did. Well, you know, Christie alley's back to TV and it was, I mean, it was Thursday night. Yeah. Nbc I mean, it was a huge, huge show. AndMichael Jamin:Let's take it back for a second. That used to be a big time slot. Thursday night, n b slate, nbc. Now I don't even know what now. I don't know what they, what they're doing there, but maybe some, it's reality. It's soJonathan Fener:Fire, something fire.Michael Jamin:Is it some dump Dumpster fire? But that's the one. So, but it's, so, but this is something else that you bring up which I think is really interesting. Like, people always say you're kissing, I always say you're kissing the wrong asses. Kiss the asses of assistant because they're not go, you know, they don't get their asses kissed. They didn't, they love it. I mean, who wouldn't get, give 'em some attention. They get abused all the time, then they rise up eventually. Yeah. So those are the ones you gotta be nice to the assistants always, you know,Jonathan Fener:Oh, yeah. Christmas, you know, send them, get the, get the gift card, do the thing. Yeah. I mean, you know, they'll put your call through. I mean, look, I mean, they can do only so much, but yeah, it was, it's just, again, everybody, even if it's the same trajectory, everybody's story is a little bit different, you know? Yeah. And you know, it, it was, I think we were, I think we were lucky, but it was also, it was a, it was, you know, I, I hate to sound like I'm a thousand years old, but it was a very different time. Yeah. And, you know, staffing was like, almost were all seemed like so many opportunities. And it was just like, it almost seemed like, it wasn't like, you know, if I'm gonna get staffed, it was sort of like, where am I gonna get staffed? And, and but, but you know, you sweated out and I never felt like that. I mean, and for every, we, we, I don't think, you know, look, I, I think we were good and, and, but and still are. But you know, I never felt like we were juggling offers . Yeah. You know, it was definitely like, you know, okay, we got this gig and, and you know,Michael Jamin:Yeah. People don't, people don't realize that as well. Like, once you're in, it's great. It, that first job is hard, but you're, then you always gotta worry. You gotta worry about your next job. None of it's, you know, if people think well, you know, it is like you must have it made, but you don't, you never have it made. You're always hustling.Jonathan Fener:Never.Michael Jamin:What did you feel your first season as a staff writer? Did you feel comfortable? Did you feel like, oh, and over your head?Jonathan Fener:Honestly, no. I, I, I can say that with confidence. I felt like I got there and I was like, yeah, this is what I should be doing. Oh, you said I'm not just Yeah. You know, look, we were the youngest guys that, you know, we were the staff writers. Right. The baby writers. It was a very challenging place to work. I mean, you know, Bry, Kaufman Crane, you know, look, we, I could, we could do an entire podcast on just working on b Brianca's Closet and just literally being down the hall from season five of friends. It's like the Beatles. Yes. They, they, their, their dressing room is down the hall. And I'm, you know, with Jerry the Pacemakers or something. Not that, not that. That's, that's a great reference, by the way, for all your younger,Michael Jamin:I don't, I don't know. Listener. Yeah.Jonathan Fener:Just some, but it was like, and the show was, you know, it, it was what it was. It was funny. There were tons of funny people on that show, people I still talk to, to this day. Honestly, but it was like the, the culture of that. And I think it, it's a, it's, it's not a news story in sitcoms. But, you know, we worked, we watched the Sun come up all the time, and it was really, that was my first step. It was like, I had never done it before, but I was like, I knew immediately. I'm like, this is not the way it, this is not the way it should be. Right.Michael Jamin:Was it cause stories were being tossed out? Or notes from the network or what?Jonathan Fener:Yeah, it, it was poor, poor management.Michael Jamin:Oh, time management. It wasJonathan Fener:Poor time management. You know, I would say like, you know, you're, when you work on a, on a show with terrible hours, you're just like, you're a victim of somebody else's badMichael Jamin:Work. Well, there's, there's that. Yeah. Yeah. I always felt very when we were running a show, I was like, I always felt I would crack the whip just because I felt like I want people to go home. I want stop messing around. And, and I was a hard ass in that way. Cause I wanna go home and I think you wanna go home too, don't you? You know, like, let's just work and go home.Jonathan Fener:Those are the ones, the ones that don't want to go home. Those are theMichael Jamin:Worst. Yeah. Those are the worst. Right. Did you, were you on many shows like that, where you felt like a hostage ?Jonathan Fener:No. well, let me think. Not really. That was the worst. And then there were a couple other shows that were rough, but I think that, like, as time went on, I definitely got lucky as time went on that I, I worked for de Decent people.Michael Jamin:Well, you also had another show that was basically the stepchild, which was American Dad compared to Family Guy. I mean, family Guy. Was this behemoth, not that American Dead was any slouch, but you were still in the shadow of a, a family guy, right?Jonathan Fener:That's right. The other one. Yeah. Yeah. The other show. Which, but that Yeah. And that, that was good point. No, but it was, it was and animation was something that I, you know, we got into pretty early on too. And I really, really liked that. And you know, there, there's animation usually is not terrible because the deadlines are, are way far apart. Yeah. Like, as far as like, you know, like Multicam is probably the worst because it literally, you gotta rewrite itMichael Jamin:Tonight at four, at four o'clock you start your day basically. Yeah. AfterJonathan Fener:The run Yeah. Run through is it ruins your whole night. And then it's like someone has, like, if you're doing single camera, you know it, you're usually reading a script for the next week. So, you know, you want to get it done by tonight, but, you know, maybe you can leave a couple of jokes and then the next day you can like, sort of clean it up. Right. But like Multicam, they're, they're at rehearsal at 9:00 AM so they need a script.Michael Jamin:Yeah. Yeah. And that was your joint. You were on the Warner Brothers slot. All right. So then, so then what happened? You, I'm gonna, I'm going with your credits over here. So Veronica's closet. And then what about, what was, you were there for, well, how many, well, how many seasons was that? The show was what? Two seasons?Jonathan Fener:They did? Th they three. I was on the last two.Michael Jamin:The last two. And then when it was done, what happened?Jonathan Fener:When it was done, I was like, I, I did it. I, you know, no, I, I was like we, we just got back out in the staffing pool, you know?Michael Jamin:Right. And then you just jumped.Jonathan Fener:We, we, yeah, that was the next, the next season we went to, we got on the Bette Midler show, which at the time was like massive. It was massive. ThatMichael Jamin:Was massive. And then,Jonathan Fener:And that's another, I'm sorry to interrupt. I was gonna say, like, that's an interesting story where, you know, I don't know if you think of 2 26 year old guys as like, yeah, we gotta get those guys on the Bette Midler show. Mm-Hmm. . But our agent submitted us, and at the time we were even thinking to ourselves like, what, what samples can we write that are a little different? So we wrote a Buffy, the Empire Slayer Script, just cuz like, we liked the show and Right. The tone. And so we wrote that and then, and I think we were like, maybe we can look and see about, you know, maybe getting on like an hour or something like that. And then the, it just so happens that Jos Whedon, I think worked for the guy that created that show, Fette.Michael Jamin:So I was gonna say, I wanted to say Cohan and Nik, but no, that, I don't think that's right. Who created it?Jonathan Fener:Jeffrey Lane.Michael Jamin:Jeffrey Lane, of course. Right,Jonathan Fener:Right. Who was a big mad about you, dude.Michael Jamin:Yes. And then, then working for Bette. I mean, that's, that's a whole other thing. You have this oversized star, really a giant star. And she must have had a lot of creative input.Jonathan Fener:Yeah, yeah. You know, she had opinions, but no, she was it was, it was nuts. I mean, you know, they picked that show up for a full season, which even, even then wasn't a thing. And she, she just was like, like such a massive force, you know? Yeah. Almost too big for television. I would even say, like, I remember thinking, she's on the stage and I'm like, and I mean the sound stage. Like I can see her playing Caesars just live or in the movies where she's gigantic. But there's also, there's, there's, I don't know if muting is the right word, but you know what I mean, like, like, there's just something about those mediums that like, sort of, and, and I just think on tv she just was like, massive. Just like, but, but, you know, really funny. And, you know, she did everything. You know, she sang the Rose and she, it was like, pulled out all the stops. It was just, it was almost like, and I don't think she knew what being on a television show entailed. I think when you take people that have never worked on TV and put them on tv, they're like, I have to come back again tomorrow. And Yeah. Tomorrow. And it's a new script today. And like, they're used to shooting films, but even like, it, it's, it's a grind for everybody. Yeah.Michael Jamin:Yeah.Jonathan Fener:SoMichael Jamin:She, she became a little cantankerous. You think ?Jonathan Fener:She, I think, yeah. No, she, she, she, you know, she liked me. she liked me and my partner. We, we wrote this episode actually with Kobe Bryant in it.Michael Jamin:Oh, okay.Jonathan Fener:And I think they were like, get the young guys to write this. And Kobe was, and he agreed to do the show. I think his wife was a huge Bette Midler fan. He, I think he said, I mean, he was nice guy. I remember meeting him and the show, I mean, think about this. We shot the sh we shot our episode in the forum. Like, and, and the, the, the plot of the show is that, that becomes like, she basically accidentally gets onto the court and she starts dancing with the Laker girls. IMichael Jamin:Don't know, but it was a multi happened. It was a Multicam, right?Jonathan Fener:Yeah. But they just, they shot it on the forum, I mean, on form. They, and it was, it was the kind of thing where it was like, whatever it cost, it cost,Michael Jamin:Right.Jonathan Fener:They booked the forum and, and that episode sort of turned out okay. And then I think she felt like, oh, these guys get the show. So they took us out, she took us out to lunch, and she's like, what should, what should the show be? You guys see that? OhMichael Jamin:No. Oh no. And you guys are, you guys are story editors at this point. Right. See, that would be panicked about that. That's not good.Jonathan Fener:Co Cohen was at that lunch too.Michael Jamin:Oh, she took Rob. See, that's the thing. She lovedJonathan Fener:Rob, loved Rob.Michael Jamin:My, my rule of thumb early in my career is don't let the actors know your name cuz only bad things can come of it. . And then, and then, right. So she takes you and now you're, maybe you don't wanna talk about this, but I, that puts you in a difficult position because she should be taking the showrunner and the showrunner should be bouncing you. She should be bouncing the ideas and not, you know,Jonathan Fener:You know. Yeah. It was a Yeah, it was. I mean, I didn't know. We were just like, well, you know, just more do more of this stuff. Right, right. You know, we'll, you know, go to a baseball game. Or, I, I just think she, I, I, look, I think that she was searching for what the show was. I think the showrunner was, I think they just were, and it was a, it was a weird, not a weird premise, but it was like, she, she played a character named Bette, and she played Aer that was a famous Hollywood actress and had been in a movie called The Rose and all these things that were true. Right. But she kept saying, I'm, but I'm not Bette Midler.Michael Jamin:She would say that in the show, but I'm not Bette Midler. She would say, she would say that toJonathan Fener:Us. Oh, okay. Cause we would write jokes and she's like, but I'm not Bette Midler. And we're like, but you were in The Rose. And we're like, okay. Bette Schidler. You're bet. Schidler. Yeah. And, and, and a lot of stuff that happened to her in real life we would try and put into the show. But it was like, it was just one of those things where we were just trying to find our footing and, and, and never really found it.Michael Jamin:Wow. But that's pretty cool though. I mean, hanging out with Bette Midler's pretty cool. SheJonathan Fener:Was something else, man. She was like a, like I said, like a force, like just funny and, and just larger than life. AndMichael Jamin:You know, but we were, we didn't just shoot me. And and George Siegel, of course, in the seventies, there was no bigger actor than George Siegel. And he wasJonathan Fener:Huge. Yeah. Funny.Michael Jamin:And then c just shoot me. And we wrote an episode and he, George could not have been a sweeter guy, such a nice guy and great sense of humor. But there was one episode he, I guess he wasn't happy with what he was playing. Maybe he didn't have enough lines, or maybe he thought his storyline was dumb or whatever. . But I remember he, we were all the writer's rehearsal. And George goes, you know, I was nominated for an Emmy. I'm sorry. He was, you don't have nominated for an Oscar. You know that. Right. And one of the writers goes, yeah, that was a long time ago. George. Get in the dunk tank. . And George thought that was so funny. I mean, he like, to his credit, he just laughed. He thought it was great. .Jonathan Fener:That's so funny.Michael Jamin:That's what's fun about working with some of these, you know, some, some of these old timers are great, some of them are, you know, a little di difficult. Who knows. All right. So then what, at what point did you guys start developing your own shows? Cause that's always a big leap.Jonathan Fener:You know, we, we were kind of like wanting to do that early. And I remember that was another thing that was not encouraged. Yeah.Michael Jamin:Not then itJonathan Fener:Wasn't at all. It was just sort of like, it was the tail end of it, but it was kind of just like, here's the model. Get on staff. Mm-Hmm. work your way up to producer, supervising producer, get a deal. Mm-Hmm. and then you develop. Right. So that was the, that was the the road. But we were like, no, we have some ideas. And you know, if they don't wanna listen to us at, at nbc, then maybe they'll listen to us at mtv. So we had heard that MTV was looking to develop shows. Cheap show. I mean, it's like that thing every, like couple of years. MTV's like, we wanna do scripted. And then they would hardly ever do it, but Right. We had this idea that we would do cuz they wanted to repurpose videos, but somehow do it in a scripted way.So we had this idea that we would do like Dream on, but with music videos. So it was about a kid whose interior monologue was music videos instead of old movies. Right, right. And like, just seemed it was like risky business, but the kid is 16 and he's just that. So we sold that. We actually sold that and wrote it and it never got shot. But that was like, pretty early. That was like a couple years in. And we sold a movie. Like, we were kind of like trying a bunch of stuff. But I think that we early on were like, I feel like we should do our own stuff too. Uhhuh . So I always have said like, like, like I don't, I don't know what it's like to have just like one job. I always feel like I was doing two things at once. So like, eventually if people are always like, they're on staff, like I was always on staff. And then on the weekends I was working on the other thing.Michael Jamin:You see, people don't understand how exhausting that is cuz you're on staff, you're working very long days and then on the weekends you're working more. You know, it's, it's, it's good for you when you're, you know, it's hard. It's hard to do that. Yeah.Jonathan Fener:It was hard. And I think it was the right look. I wasn't, I was, I was, I was married, but I didn't have any kids and mm-hmm. , you know, but it's, it was tough, man. I mean, you know, and, and that was back before you, we were zooming. So like, we would go, I'd go to Josh's house, he'd come to my house, Uhhuh, . I mean, we used to literally meet in the middle and trade.Michael Jamin:Oh. Cause you guys, you guys let, did you live far apart from each other?Jonathan Fener:Yeah, yeah. We, we, we, yeah. UsuallyMichael Jamin:Trade far discs. So I'm, I'm skipping ahead a little bit, but, but I'm curious to know, well first of all, I wanna know how, what was the academy, how did you work on the Academy Awards? How did that come about? That's such an odd term for you thatJonathan Fener:Yeah, that was, that was the connection. There was, that was the year John Stewart hosted, I don't know if that was his first time. I know he did a bunch of times. It was the year of crash crash one. Okay. The best picture. And like Philip er Hoffman one for Capote, but John was Right. Was hosting and he brought out like a bunch of daily show people. And my partner went to college with a guy, Ben Carlin. Yes. Who I kind of became friends with too, because of those guys. So, so Ben was running the Daily Show. He was one of the eps. And so when he came out, he called me and Josh and a couple of other guys and asked if we wanted to be part of the staff of people. Basically they, the, the Daily Show guys wrote the monologue. They asked us the la guys to write like short film parodies of the nominees.Right. So, and then, you know, maybe help out with the, and and, and on on show night we would be part of the joke room cuz they're writing jokes throughout the night. With like, I mean, Bruce Lance was there mm-hmm. and some local school guys were, were there. But so yeah. So we basically pitched like 20 little short filmed things and they picked five or six of 'em and then we got to produce them and, and, and all that. But we were part of that whole thing. That sounds fun. Yeah, it was really fun. It was really, really fun. And like on show night, we literally, they put us down in this basement and we are like watching the show live and it was like instant messaging. If whatever, who, if somebody won something, we would like shoot a bunch of jokes up to them and the wings. ButMichael Jamin:Did you have to wear a tuxedo to do that? Yes. In my mind. You, I knew it in my mind, you have to wear a tuxedo even though you're not gonna be on camera, but you're at the Oscars. Wow. They tell you thatJonathan Fener:Because Yeah. Be because we were, I mean, it was really cool. I mean, we got, went, went to, you know, my, my wife and, and Josh's wife and, and all the wives got to go to the show. Right. They got tickets to the show. We were downstairs and then afterwards we went to the governor's ball. Right. I mean, it was really, I mean, we had access.Michael Jamin:That's a trip.Jonathan Fener:That's, it was, that didn't get a gift back. I was really hoping I'd get like a, because I always, I'm like, there's like a trip to Australia in there or something, but I,Michael Jamin:But you got a nice, you got a nice paycheck that's got that kind of counts for something.Jonathan Fener:I don't remember how much we got paid. I don't know if it was, I, I feel like, I don't knowMichael Jamin:Now what about it was great. What about the Mindy Project? Cuz that was like a big, that must have been a big experience for you.Jonathan Fener:Yeah. Yeah. That was, that was fun. And, and that when we were, we had a deal at Universal mm-hmm. . And we had, we, we were kind of lucky. Like we, that was when I worked on the Malaney show and Right. We did a lot of development when we were there and we supervised and ran a couple of shows there. But that was sort of towards the end where they just asked us to come and help out.Michael Jamin:Okay.Jonathan Fener:Oh, for a season. Yeah. And it was it was like, it it is one of those things though, where it was a very tight, well-oiled machine and we, and it was, it was fine. It, it was, it was kind of funny though cuz it was like, you, this sort of happens where, you know, you, you write pilots, you shoot pilots, you run shows, but then sometimes you're a staff guy again. Yeah. And that was a gig where we were sort of like, alright, we're part of this staff. And, and everybody there was like, really funny, really smart. Like, I think, I think that writer's room literally had like three former Lampoon editors, Uhhuh and just like really, really funny smart guys. Right. And women. And we just were like, okay, we're just pitching jokes.Michael Jamin:You're, oh, okay. And then so that, that's, that's the whole experience. But did Mindy run the show? Was she the showrunner at,Jonathan Fener:I mean, she, I she, she had, there was a guy named Matt War Burton, who was sort of running the room mm-hmm. When she was gone. Because the most impressive thing was that she, she shot all day. Yes. Because it was seeing the camera show. She was the star of the show. But she came in at lunch, Uhhuh . And Matt would pitch her and she very efficiently was like, I love this. I love this. What if this happens? What if this happens? Gotta go. And so she, she had the final say. Right. But she was busy, you know. Yeah. And, and that, I I'm trying to think Melany was that way too, but Melany was really part of the writing and that was also a Multicam. So,Michael Jamin:And that was probably, it's, that Melany show was probably three years too soon. Like, you know, like before he really became huge.Jonathan Fener:Yeah. Yeah. That was, you know, I, I think that, that, this was my opinion and I'm not like making this up. And I remember we used to talk, like John was trying, I feel like John was trying to do something where, you know, everyone just looked at it and at face value and said, oh, it's Seinfeld. He's just doing Seinfeld. But Uhhuh, I think he really, really liked the, the medium. He liked multi-cam, but there was a part of it that I think was a little bit satirical. Mm-Hmm. . But it really, I, I think that if you didn't know that you're just like, oh, he's just, is just a, you know, like I feel like some of the stories that he pitched he felt were funny because it's like, oh, this is kind of a clammy story. But I, but I think it's funny in like, I'm doing it with a wink. Right. But I think people maybe saw it and said, there'sMichael Jamin:No wink. I don'tJonathan Fener:See the wink. Yeah. There's no, yeah. And, and, you know, but it, it was, it's not that it was the wrong vehicle because it was his show. And, and, and he is the funniest guy in the room always, you know? Right. I mean, and NA, see Petra was on the, was in the cast too. She was really funny. There was a great cast. Elliot Gould was on that show. Martin Short was on that show. Yeah. It was like, it was, it was, it was really, really fun. But yeah, maybe it was, I, I think maybe he was trying to like rein, not reinvent the multi-cam, but just like, turn it on 10 a little bit. Right. And it maybe wasn't, no one was like, ready for that.Michael Jamin:Hey, it's Michael Jamen. If you like my videos and you want me to email them to you for free, join my watch list. Every Friday I send out my top three videos. These are for writers, actors, creative types. You can unsubscribe whenever you want. I'm not gonna spam you and it's absolutely free. Just go to michael jamin.com/watchlist.Did you, cause whenever we developed for comics, we, you know, we wound up studying, then we read, we watched the act, we read, listened to their, whatever the audio books or, you know, read their, did you do the same as well forJonathan Fener:I just knew you mean for that show or for,Michael Jamin:Well, for Malaney or, or for any, any comic that you're writing for. Really. Or even like Bette, you know, for example,Jonathan Fener:Well, Bette, I mean, we definitely like combed through her career and her life and mm-hmm. tried to get stories from it. Mm-Hmm. yeah. Whenever, and, and, and, and, you know, the, the Mullany thing, we, we kind of like, we were also, that was a period of time where like, we were on that staff for a period of time, and then we had a pilot picked up and went to go shoot it. Oh. So we were sort of there for a, a specific period of time. But like, that show was all him to me. I mean, he ran that with a guy John Pollock, a good friend who who's also like, he, he's, he's such a good, he's a pro guy. He's a pro and, and can guide things. He's so funny and smart. But so I think that, that they really clicked well. And there were a lot of really funny people on that staff too. But yeah. Yeah. I, I think that to answer your question, it's always good, especially if you're dealing with somebody who's gonna put a little bit of their lives into it, to just mm-hmm. because I mean, frankly, you, you kind of want to like, connect with them too. Like, it's something that they can connect with. Right. Unless they don't wanna do it. Unless they wanna be completely a different person if they're being some version of themselves. Yeah.Michael Jamin:What's so odd is that you and I have never worked together, even though we've worked with so many of the same people, you know? Yeah. It seems, it seems like very odd that, you know, how how did that never happen? But how do you see, like, so okay, we are on strike. How do you see the business now? Like, what do you, like, what's your take on the past, I don't know, three to five years? You knowJonathan Fener:Everything's going great. It's great.Michael Jamin:Everything's perfect.Jonathan Fener: and just getting betterMichael Jamin:.Jonathan Fener:I, everybody knows what's going on. Yeah. no, I I think it, to me it feels like it's a massive sea change. Yeah. It really feels like even having lived through the first strike, like that was streaming was just kind of coming around and, you know, Netflix was a thing and, but now everything has completely been disrupted and mm-hmm. , I just think that I mean look, this is nothing new, but like, you know, to, to me, cable seemed to be working okay. And then streaming came in and it just seemed like there were no parameters. It's like all the streaming services come, came around. And I understood economically that like all the studios are gonna want to have their own thing mm-hmm. and not have to license it to anybody anymore. But without the structure of a, of a schedule, like a nightly schedule, it's just like, it just became a bottomless pit.Yeah. And so there was this five, you know, it, it was the, it was the old, it was the, the Wild West again. And there's a billion shows. And I, I, you know, some of these studios I guess were just like, wait, this is so expensive. Like a full staff for every show and we're making so many shows. We need to, now, now it's like we overspent now we need to back up a little bit. And then, but in the meantime, to me, I just felt like it was, like the rules got changed where there was a somewhat of a model in network television and even cable where it's like, we're gonna pick this show up for X number of episodes. We're gonna have this many people on staff. That's the way it's done. Mm-Hmm. . And then now the, it's like, oh, we have this new area of streaming. We're just gonna do things differently. Now we're gonna hire three people. Mm-Hmm. , or the guy that created the show is just gonna write 'em all and then shoot 'em all. And it, it just, I don't, it's, it's, you know, I mean, all I can know, all I can do is keep doing what I do, but it's, you know, it seems more, it, it really seems, it feels like the ground underneath us is that much more Yeah. Shaky. Really shaky.Michael Jamin:How do you, and what's your take? I don't know if you work a lot with, well you know, young, well, let's see. I actually, I have two questions I wanna ask you cuz your last, your last network show was probably was what The Mindy Project? Cause I haven't worked, I haven't worked in the network for a while. It's all been cable. Right.Jonathan Fener:The last network show I worked on was American HousewifeMichael Jamin:Oh. American House. So it's so interesting. Which wasn't even that long ago. And so you're working with young, there's bigger staffs on network. You're, they're bringing in younger writers. What's it like? What, what are the kids like? Do you think they're different these days on network shows?Michael Jamin:Because we had a hierarchy. We had, there was a pattern. There was a, you know, all broken.Jonathan Fener:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I, I think it's probably better. I mean, I worked, I worked in some rough rooms and then I worked in some more, you know, I certainly, I don't feel like I ran a rough room. What do you mean?Michael Jamin:What do you mean by rough room? What were they like?Jonathan Fener:Just a, that the, the real hierarchy. Like when I was a staff writer, you were not really expected to talk very much. Right. It was kind of like sit and listen. Right. But and then I'd say I'd, I'd pitch something and they'd be like, not now. And I'd say, I'm sorry. And they'd say, don't be sorry. Just be quiet.Michael Jamin:. Don't be sorry. Don't let happenJonathan Fener:Again. Don't be sorry. Just be quiet. I, I, and like, look, that's the, that's the, it was always done with a joke. You know what I mean? Right. And, and like, I don't ever feel like I was treated cruelly. Mm. I mean, I mean, I guess I, I guess it was cruel that, you know, I did feel like I was held hostage and, you know, yeah. Going home at 6 30, 7 o'clock in the morning in, in rush hour traffic the wrong way. Like yeah. My nights and days were mixed up. But like, eventually what I was gonna say was I just feel like there was something to earning it a little bit. You know, I, I just feel like, you know, even even those first jobs, like, especially like Bright Coffman Crane, I remember there were certain things that you, like, they were big on floor pitching Right.On, on, on, on show night. And that's great experience. I mean, look, multi cams aren't around as much as they used to be, but like, I remember learning a ton. Like, I, I can still shoot back to the time we were on show night and a joke bombed, and then you just huddle up mm-hmm. and you're just staring at each other and everyone's thinking, and you gotta come up with an alt. And people are pitching stuff and it's like, and you pitch a joke and everybody laughs and you're like, oh my God, you're theMichael Jamin:Hero.Jonathan Fener:Amazing. And then, yeah. And then, and then they put it in and itMichael Jamin:Dies and it, and it dies. Yeah. That's what a flip joke. People listen. That's what a floor pitch is. I'm showing that on a multicam, you at the last minute throw a joke in after one bombs. SoJonathan Fener:Yeah. Right. And then you finally, you, you give up and you just pitch a joke with the word nipple in it. . And people laugh at that and you're like, ah, I hate myself. Yeah. But no, but, but I, I think that now, you know, ha like being the older guy and, and even, you know, running a show, like, there, there is a, there is a certain level of like, everybody has an equal voice mm-hmm. . And, which I think is good, you know, but I also think that there's, it's not that you are less than at all. To me it was always about like experience. Mm-Hmm. . Like, you, you just gotta, you know what it is, it's about, it's, there's, there's no substitute for being able to read the room. Yeah. And there are people sometimes that are younger and less experienced and they, they pitch an idea and no one says anything, which is like the night, it's, it's, you know, the worst is if someone says, that sucks. Right. But if you pitch a joke or a story and no one really like, jumps on it, no one Yes. Ands it, you know what, let it float away because Yeah. You know, and then if you re-pitch it and then you re-pitch it,Michael Jamin:You're gonna get yelled at, you'reJonathan Fener:Gonna get yelled at. Like, that's just not cool. And I feel like sometimes maybe people don't like that anymore. You know? Yeah. Like, you're not supposed to do.Michael Jamin:Yeah. I hear you. What, what? Surprised It's so hard. There's a huge learning curve on their job. And when someone pitches an idea, if it's a good idea, it really doesn't matter who it comes from, but it's pretty obvious when it's a good idea. The right. Like the, the senior writers are, oh, that's good. Right. And if you're new inexperienced, you just don't know what's, what's a good idea from a bad idea. And I think they sometimes get a little offended or hurt. It's no, it's, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's just the idea. It's not you, you know? Right. The idea didn't land.Jonathan Fener:Sometimes it's them. No. Sometimes it'sMichael Jamin:ThemJonathan Fener:. But yeah, it's, it best idea wins always, always, always. Yeah.Michael Jamin:Best idea. Gets you homework faster and so and so. Yeah. I know. Well, I was gonna ask you something else. Oh. Oh, that's, that's how I was gonna say we met, we met years ago. Cause you were running a show, which is an interesting thing that you did was said you were running a show called Awesome Town, but you were running it. Someone else with less experienced writer wrote it and you guys were brought on to supervisor it. Right,Jonathan Fener:Right, right.Michael Jamin:It was like, so talk about your experience doing that kind of stuff.Jonathan Fener:That was the first time we'd ever done that. We've, and we've done that a bunch just because I feel like my partner and I, that's not really something that a lot of people love to do, like run other people's shows. Everybody wants to, you know, get your own thing. And we were writing our own pilots at the time too. But if you get enough experience, honestly, you know, my feeling is you want to have as many skills as possible in this business because mm-hmm. , you know, you want to just have another arrow in your quiver.Michael Jamin:Yeah.Jonathan Fener:That's the right term. But like, so i, if you can successfully help someone just guide the ship and it's their show and they've never done it before, cuz that's a really hard job.Michael Jamin:Were there creative struggles though, between you and them at all when you do this?Jonathan Fener:No, honestly, no. I really feel like it was this guy, Adam Ste. Hillel, who's like super nice guy. He he's like big feature guy now. I think he wrote Black Adam. Mm-Hmm. , he like, works with the Rock a lot and, and he created Undateable with Bill Lawrence too. Mm-Hmm. . So he's, he's had a bunch of stuff. No, he's very nice guy. Very funny. And it was actually kind of cool that he got this job on, it was basically just about the, these four like early twenties friends and negotiating life afterwards and they threw a lot of stuff. It's funny, I remember they, they picked the show up because I feel like a, b C was looking to do something in the younger space. Right. But it did, it was one of those shows. It wasn't, it was very low concept. And there was a whole opening teaser that we, I I always suspected, this is why it got picked up cuz it was very, it was very American pie.It was like kind of dirty and there was like a couple and somebody had peanut butter on them and a dog was looking and Right. You can imagine. So but I remember thinking like, this is why they picked it up because this is outrageous. There's no way they ever shoot this though. Right. Which is like, that's like an age old story in tv. It's like the thing they love about it. Mm-Hmm. is the thing they cut first. It's exactly right. You know, it's like you, you, you pick up a show called like Immortal because the, the lead character ha has been alive for a thousand years. Uhhuh. And then the first note is, can we make him immortal please? Yes,Michael Jamin:That's exactly right.Jonathan Fener:Yeah. but, and you do it cuz you're like, oh, they just they just picked up the show. They just gave me a budget and Right. But so they, they made a bunch of changes to this show and including changing that entire teaser. But it was, it was just an opportunity that came because again, like I think we had written a pilot for the studio that made it and they needed somebody we, like, we had just gone through, you had a deal,Michael Jamin:You probably had a deal at the time, an overall deal. Right.Jonathan Fener:I don't know if we had it like, you know what we did, I think we had just sold a pilot to like 20th Uhhuh . And it was like a very good experience, but we just, it just was one of those shows that like almost got there but didn't Yeah. But then, then they picked up all their other shows and they're like, oh, we're gonna pick up this show with these guys. And we had a good relationship with the development people that like, you know, maybe John and Josh can help with that. So that was awesome. That was, that was like, and I remember like, we cast whoever we want. Like we changed roles because we found, like I'd never seen Brett Gelman before and he came in and was so funny. We're like, we're putting him in this show somehow. He was easily 10 years older than everybody. Well, was supposed to be a coworker, Uhhuh, , ally Wong came in, we're like, Uhhuh, let's create a intern. But it was like, it, it, it was like, it was the first it was a good gig to get. And then from there we, we got a bunch more of those gigs to sort ofMichael Jamin:Like, see, that's, that's a talent, because a lot of, I think sometimes when you have a no, a young creator will create a show. Then they assign a showrunner, and sometimes the showrunner's like, well, listen, my name's on this too, and I don't want this to have, I don't have a stink on me if this is terrible. So they kind of turn into what they want it to be. It doesn't sound like you did that. It sounds like you were very much trying to realize the vision of the person who created these shows, which is nice of you.Jonathan Fener:Yeah. I mean, I don't, maybe that's just the way that we are. I mean, I just feel like that's the fir like, and I'm, look, by the way, that's probably a good way to get the gig, is to go have lunch with them and go, listen your show, man. We're just here to help you carry the water from here to there. Right. And we know how to do it. And but that it's the truth. I mean, honestly, I like, I don't want it to be bad, but like, you know, and like, I'll tell you what, I think I'll give you my opinion, but also like, again, I don't know anybody that could ever do that, show that job alone. Like, it's, it's miserable and not mis, you know what I mean? And we we owe, and plus, you know, you could relate to this too, just being, I mean, being on a writing staff is collaborative anyway, but being in a writing partnership, you just really learn how to negotiateMichael Jamin:Mm-Hmm. Jonathan Fener:Compromise. Mm-Hmm. and talking it out. And, you know, single writers tend to be really, you knowMichael Jamin:Yeah.Jonathan Fener:Hold onto their stuff cuz there's mm-hmm. Never any other counterpoints. So I feel like we have the right skillset forMichael Jamin:That. Yeah. There's also a sense of, there's so many decisions to be made. If I don't make this one decision, that's okay. I gotta make a million other decisions. So it's okay if I didn't, if I don't make this one decision, you know, there's a lot to do.Jonathan Fener:Yeah. I don't need to be in wardrobe. I always say that. I don't need to be, I don't need, I I you can do rack check. I don't need to do that.Michael Jamin:Yeah, yeah. There's exactly, there's exactly, there's a ton. I, when we ran Marin, we, the the wardrobe people loved us cuz they chose us choices. And I go, what do you think, you know, well this one. And I said, well, why do you think that one, they gimme reason. I go, all right, sounds like you know what you're doing, . Sounds like you got a good idea there, so let's do what you say.Jonathan Fener:Yeah. Yeah. I mean how, how many episodes did you do of Maryland?Michael Jamin:We did four seasons. I, I want, it was probably around 50. Cuz each show, each season was, I don't know, whatever, 12, 13 or something like that. Uhhuh . So, yeah. But that was I c and that was a pleasure because it was low budget. They just leave you alone. It was wonderful. So, yeah.Jonathan Fener:And I mean, did you finally that it was, was it hard to produce? Because I mean, how big was your staffMichael Jamin:The first season? So that was a show that was created by this guy Duncan Birmingham. We didn't create it, but he wrote the pilot. He was a young writer. He wrote the presentation and then with Mark, so that season, the first season when they picked it up, it was Mark Marin, who's very good writer, but had no writing experience for sitcoms. He's a, you know, standup, this guy Duncan Birmingham, who was a, a young guy who they just, they they could exploit. So he had no experience and it was me and my partner, and that was it. So we, the ones with any real sitcom experience. And then, but then as each season one, we picked up a couple more writers and then we rounded it out. But but it was a great, it was a wonderful experience, but the budget was tiny. The budget was, it was like nothing. It was nothing. Yeah. And we shot each episode in two and a half days, soJonathan Fener:Really?Michael Jamin:Yeah, it was, yeah. As long as someone's finger wasn't in front of the lens, we got it. , let's move it on. So yeah, that was, that was such a great experience. And, and, and no one remembers that. No one remembers, you know, like, hey, the show, it wasn't that perfectly lit. Yeah, that's okay. But people liked the writing. They like the acting. That's the important thing, you know. So what if the camera went like this a little bit ?Jonathan Fener:Right. my, yeah, my partner always was like, when you're like, he's like, they're doing laundry. They're paying their, they're paying their bills while they watch this. Like, they like the people. Oh,Michael Jamin:Oh, yeah.Jonathan Fener:Yeah. They're like, they're, they're, they're like, they're listening. They're half, you know, they're, they're not,Michael Jamin:Not even anymore. Now they're on their phones and watch. I mean, now they're really not watching the show. . He's Right. Cause like everyone, you know, Siebert, you say the same thing you'd say. Like Yeah, they're, they're reading People magazine, not any anymore. They're not, now they're on, they're watching the show and on TikTok and getting text messages, , they're not paying attention.Jonathan Fener:They're reading the live tweeting. Yeah. Of other people read, likeMichael Jamin:Watching the show for them, so. Right. It's an odd time, but yeah. So what do you s so what do, what excites you then going forward? What, as we, as we wrap it up, what is your, like what excites you now?Jonathan Fener:In entertainment?Michael Jamin:Yeah. Or just, yeah. As a, as a writer. Yeah.Jonathan Fener:I still, I mean, I like what I always liked, honestly. Like, I feel like right now I want to, the thing that I want to do is I, I want to try new things, but I also, I know this is like, but but, but, but also I feel like as I get older, like you have to, you have to always write what's sort of like, I don't know, is like personal to you. Like, I don't know, this is, because then it sort of seems inauthentic. Right? but having said that, like I think that I, I would really like to get back into animation mm-hmm. , I feel, I feel like I, I know it's like, I feel like features, like, like I feel like weirdly streaming has opened that up. Mm-Hmm. a little bit too, cuz like, you know, it's hard to get a movie out in the theaters. I mean, especially now. Yeah. it's not a Marvel thing or something like that. So like, there might be like avenues to go with with streaming movies and stuff like that. But like, I don't know. That's, I mean, it's, it's, it's, I I feel like I don't have any, a good answer to that question because I still really, like, I, I still feel like I always have ideas, Uhhuh, but and, and honestly like more often than not, like I'm looking to collaborate with more people. Yeah. Different people, you know, becauseMichael Jamin:Not necessarily on air talent, but writers as well.Jonathan Fener:Other writers. Yeah. Yeah. I just feel like, you know, if you're lucky you have a long career and mm-hmm. a lot of different types of careers and, you know, my partner and I always said like we we've sort of had an open marriage a little because mm-hmm. , we started out together, we, and, you know, you work very closely with a writing partner and, and we worked together for many, many years and then we sort of split on staff for a while, and then we came back together mm-hmm. for a while, and then now we're separate again. ButMichael Jamin:Was that hard for you when you're writing after you split to start writing alone? Let's say even on staff, cuz this is the first Okay. You usually, you have somebody to bounce an idea off of. Now you're, you're on, you know, you're looking at that blank page by yourself.Jonathan Fener:Yeah. Yeah. It's hard. Mm-Hmm. , it's hard to be in that. It's, it's, it's definitely hard. And I feel like I'm getting better at like, sort of reaching out to mm-hmm. other writers and just sort of like, can you look at, because it's like my wife can't hear it anymore, you know? Yeah. Like, go walk into the kitchen. It's like, would this character say that? She's like, I don't know, like, what are you talking about? So I have to, I I I just feel like you have to, I guess you, you learn to sort of like mute your ego a little bit mm-hmm. and just sort of like, let o let other, like, sometimes you just have to talk it out and, and that's what a partner was for, you know. Yeah. but I don't even know if I answered your question. That'sMichael Jamin:Okay. We're just, we're we're chatting. What about, what about advice for aspiring writers? What do you, what do you tell them? Either about the craft or about the business?Jonathan Fener:I mean, to get in nowMichael Jamin:Mm-Hmm. .Jonathan Fener:I think that starting out the, the best thing about now to me mm-hmm. , is that it seemed like in the beginning when we started, it was really all about like, what's the speck of the big show.Michael Jamin:Mm-Hmm. ,Jonathan Fener:Which there's a, there's an art to that, you know, beca