The Jabot

Summary Shaun Ossei-Owusu didn't go to law school to become a lawyer. After a PhD in African American Studies at Berkeley and a fellowship at the American Bar Foundation, he wanted the technical language of law so he could translate what he'd already been studying: how the legal system actually treats people, versus how it says it does. That instinct became his new book, "Law on Trial." In this conversation, Kathryn Rubino and Ossei-Owusu dig into what "thinking like a lawyer" costs, from law school curricula that leave out issues like civil asset forfeiture, to big law and government lawyering, where the pressure to win can crowd out the question of whether winning was the right outcome. They close with practical advice for lawyers trying to stay honest with themselves about the trade-offs they're making. Key Takeaways Legal training builds what Ossei-Owusu calls a "tragically necessary skill": separating law from moral and social context. It's useful, and it's also easy to overcorrect. Core law school subjects often skip the inequality issues baked into them. Property class rarely covers civil asset forfeiture, even though it's a bigger part of practice than most casebooks suggest. Big law economics can quietly work against legitimate discrimination claims, not just frivolous ones, because of who's paying the bill. City and county law departments face a similar tension: they enforce consumer and housing protections while also defending against civil rights claims brought under the same kinds of laws. Lawyers can protect their values by setting ethical red lines before financial pressure sets in, not after. Links and Resources Above the Law The Jabot Podcast Law on Trial: An Unlikely Insider Reckons with Our Legal System (W.W. Norton) Law on Trial on Amazon Keywords legal education, law school, thinking like a lawyer, legal ethics, big law, public interest law, civil asset forfeiture, law professor, legal academia, Shaun Ossei-Owusu, Law on Trial, University of Pennsylvania, legal profession, government lawyers, municipal law departments, law firm culture, first-generation lawyers, social justice law, Above the Law, The Jabot Podcast Episode Highlights [00:00:49 - 00:04:20] Ossei-Owusu explains his winding path from the Bronx to a PhD to law school. [00:04:56 - 00:06:51] Why mentoring future lawyers, including those headed to big law, matters to him. [00:06:51 - 00:08:35] The gap in law school literature that inspired Law on Trial. [00:10:46 - 00:13:19] What "thinking like a lawyer" really means, and its necessary trade-offs. [00:13:19 - 00:14:33] The civil asset forfeiture example most property classes skip. [00:15:50 - 00:17:35] How big law economics can quietly undermine legitimate discrimination claims. [00:17:35 - 00:19:16] The civil rights tension inside city and county law departments. [00:20:04 - 00:22:20] Practical advice for lawyers weighing big law against their values. [00:22:20 - 00:24:01] Why ethical red lines matter more than good intentions.

Summary Courtney Teasley, a criminal trial attorney turned certified business coach, author, and speaker, joins Kathryn Rubino to talk about the case that shaped her career: her own mother's, overcharged as a drug seller instead of a user. Courtney traces how that experience, and a mentor who built a practice on her own terms, pushed her into criminal defense and, eventually, out of full-time practice. The conversation covers why she left the courtroom for coaching and advocacy work, the business lessons law school never taught her, and how her book series, The Easy Way to Learn Your Rights, translates legal literacy into plain, bilingual language for the people who need it most. Key Takeaways Courtney traces her path to criminal defense directly back to her mother being overcharged as a drug seller instead of a user, a decision that shaped how she practices and teaches law. The pressure of high-stakes cases never fully disappears; the lawyers who care the most are the ones who keep showing up despite it. Courtney left full-time practice after realizing one-on-one casework moves too slowly to shift the systemic patterns behind mass incarceration. A CliftonStrengths certification helped Courtney separate her zone of excellence, practicing law, from her zone of genius, teaching and advocacy. Courtney built her book series and coaching practice around plain, bilingual language, arguing legal jargon keeps clients from understanding their own cases. Links and Resources Above the Law: https://abovethelaw.com/ The Jabot Podcast: https://abovethelaw.com/tag/the-jabot-podcast/ Courtney Teasley: https://site-hy4wms4ce.godaddysites.com/ Email the Jabot: tips@abovethelaw.com Keywords criminal defense attorney, legal literacy, financial literacy, social justice, business coaching for lawyers, women in law, Above the Law, The Jabot Podcast, DAMM community, CliftonStrengths, legal entrepreneurship, law practice management, systemic inequality, mass incarceration, career change for lawyers, Black lawyers, legal author, criminal justice reform, pro se litigants, elbow counsel Episode Highlights [00:01:00-00:02:00] Courtney explains how one visit to a hospital as a teenager ended her plan to become a doctor and pointed her toward law instead. [00:02:00-00:03:00] Courtney traces her path to criminal defense back to her mother being overcharged as a drug seller instead of a user. [00:09:00-00:11:00] Courtney describes using a CliftonStrengths certification to find her zone of genius outside of practicing law. [00:12:00-00:14:00] Courtney says the biggest surprise of leaving practice was realizing how few lawyers run their firms like real businesses. [00:17:00-00:19:00] Courtney explains why she built her own intellectual property in plain, bilingual language instead of legal jargon. [00:20:00-00:22:00] Courtney lays out how clients can act as elbow counsel to their own lawyers without going fully pro se. [00:22:00-00:24:00] Courtney's advice for lawyers who want to build a business and keep their ethical grounding at the same time.  

Summary Kelly Grigsby Jones and Laurie Avery, litigation partners at Perez Morris, sit down with Kathryn Rubino to talk about building a career in trial work. They trace their paths into law, the gap between courtroom TV and courtroom reality, and how they've made an unpredictable schedule sustainable over decades of practice. The conversation turns practical: how young lawyers can get their first real trial experience, what mentors actually look for in an associate, and how to handle a case when the best exhibit goes missing mid-trial. Both partners share candid advice for women navigating litigation, plus the one habit they say matters more than talent: preparation. Key Takeaways Early trial experience often comes from smaller markets or litigation-heavy firms willing to hand associates low-stakes cases to learn on. Being proactive, not waiting to be asked, is what separates associates who get pulled into bigger opportunities from those who don't. Preparation is the one thing a lawyer can fully control, even when the outcome, a missing exhibit or a directed verdict, isn't. Good mentors highlight a mentee's strengths and give honest, respectful redirection when trial work isn't the right fit. A sustainable trial career means accepting an uneven schedule: early some days, late into the night on others. Links and Resources Above the Law: https://abovethelaw.com/ The Jabot Podcast: https://abovethelaw.com/tag/the-jabot-podcast/ Perez Morris: https://www.perezmorris.com/ Email the Jabot: tips@abovethelaw.com Keywords women in litigation, trial lawyers, legal career advice, Perez Morris, Above the Law, The Jabot Podcast, women in law, litigation partners, trial experience, first chair, second chair, mentorship in law, law firm associates, courtroom preparation, women trial attorneys, legal industry podcast, career in law, litigation career path, women partners law firm, trial advocacy Episode Highlights [00:01:00-00:02:00] Laurie explains how a dismissive comment from a colleague, "you don't need to know that," pushed her toward law school. [00:07:00-00:09:00] Kelly describes jumping into plea deals and bond hearings early because her rural county had few attorneys to go around. [00:10:00-00:12:00] Kelly recounts winging cross-examination after showing up to trial without her one key exhibit. [00:12:00-00:13:00] Laurie tells the story of winning a directed verdict in seconds after weeks of preparation. [00:16:00-00:17:00] Kelly explains why she calls junior lawyers "colleagues," not associates, in front of clients. [00:19:00-00:20:00] Laurie draws the line between lawyers built for first chair and those who thrive in second chair. [00:22:00-00:23:00] Kelly and Laurie each give their one piece of advice for lawyers starting out in trial work.  

Summary Kathryn Rubino sits down with Deborah Farone, one of the most experienced legal marketing and business development advisors in the country, to dig into what actually drives sustainable practice growth. Farone traces her career from a PR firm handling Milbank's account in the 1990s through Chief Marketing Officer roles at Debevoise and Cravath, to running her own advisory practice today. The conversation covers what big law gets wrong about business development, why existing clients are the most overlooked growth lever, how law firms are finally starting to teach associates what was once left unspoken, and what it really means for women lawyers to develop business on their own terms. Farone also addresses the industry's consolidation wave, the squeeze on mid-size firms, and why the biggest strategic risk for any law firm right now is standing still. Key Takeaways Business development starts with strategy, not tactics. Know where you want to go before you pick any tool or activity. Most business comes from existing clients. Growing those relationships and getting referrals from them is more powerful than chasing new names. The minders/finders/grinders model is outdated. Every lawyer at every level is now expected to develop business in some form. Women who build thriving practices do it in ways that feel authentic to them — opera evenings, hikes with clients — not by mimicking someone else's playbook. The biggest risk for any law firm is complacency. GCs want firms to come to them with intelligence and AI guidance, not the other way around. Links and Resources •  Above the Law •  The Jabot Podcast •  Farone Advisors •  Breaking Ground: How Successful Women Lawyers Build Thriving Practices — Deborah Farone Keywords legal marketing, business development for lawyers, law firm marketing strategy, women lawyers business development, Deborah Farone, Breaking Ground book, legal rainmakers, origination credit, law firm business development, boutique law firms, big law marketing, Jabot podcast, Above the Law podcast, legal operations, law firm growth, existing clients strategy, authentic networking lawyers, law firm compensation, mid-size law firms, GC relationships Episode Highlights [00:01:00 — 00:01:25] Deborah explains why working on the Milbank PR account made her want to move into legal marketing full-time. [00:02:16 — 00:02:57] How BD at Cravath included running a competitive intelligence unit to track potential new matters, something she couldn't have predicted 30 years earlier. [00:05:43 — 00:06:09] Why law schools are finally teaching business development, and what a class at Columbia Law looked like. [00:07:07 — 00:07:51] The counterintuitive truth: your best source of new business is the clients you already have, not the shiny new prospect. [00:09:07 — 00:09:56] Deborah's case for why developing a book of business is like putting money in the bank, and why it gives women lawyers more freedom and mobility. [00:10:42 — 00:11:41] The authentic BD methods of successful women lawyers: opera evenings with clients in Milan, group hiking trips, anything that feels genuine. [00:17:45 — 00:18:42] The squeeze on mid-size firms: not niche enough, not global enough, and often without the marketing resources to compete. [00:19:28 — 00:19:54] Dan Troy's line: "You can't be Wachtell in every practice." Why trying to be everything to everyone destroys credibility with clients. [00:21:25 — 00:22:18] GCs don't want to be the ones telling their law firms what legal trends are. They want their firms to come to them with intelligence and AI guidance.

Episode Summary Tahir Amin started out wanting to play professional football in England. He found law instead, and specifically intellectual property law in the early 1990s, when the field was still new enough to feel cutting edge. After a decade of commercial IP practice in the UK and the US, he moved to India in 2004 to understand what the new global IP rules were doing to the people they never accounted for. He arrived just as India was being required to comply with WTO patent rules that would affect access to HIV medicines costing tens of thousands of dollars a year. That experience led him to co-found I-MAK in 2006. In this conversation, Amin walks Rubino through the political economy of drug patents: how neoliberal policy from the late 1970s onward handed control of publicly funded research to private companies, how those companies built out sprawling patent portfolios to delay generic competition, and how the word "innovation" became a shield against any real scrutiny. He also talks about what I-MAK's work has achieved, the blowback it has faced, and why he considers himself a "cynical optimist" who believes the long game is the only game worth playing. Key Takeaways Patent stacking is the norm, not the exception. Novo Nordisk filed more than 320 patent applications around the single active ingredient in the Ozempic family of drugs. 1 in 3 Americans are skipping doses or cutting pills to afford their medications. This is a policy problem rooted in decisions made over the past four decades. The word "innovation" replaced "invention" deliberately around 1976–77, allowing corporations to privatize public-funded knowledge and charge rent for it. I-MAK's public patent database puts the evidence on the table. The pharma industry attacks the messenger rather than engaging the data. Incrementalism is the system's release valve. Real change requires playing the long game, not chasing the next quick win. Links & Resources Above the Law The Jabot Podcast Tahir Amin at I-MAK Pharma Monopoly: The Battle for the Future of Medicines by Tahir Amin (book) Keywords pharmaceutical patents, drug pricing, patent monopoly, medicine access, IP law, I-MAK, Tahir Amin, patent stacking, Ozempic patents, Novo Nordisk, innovation myth, neoliberalism, affordable medicine, generic drugs, biosimilars, patent reform, WTO patent law, drug affordability, pharma policy, Jabot podcast Episode Highlights 00:08:18 - 00:09:16 Amin explains the founding of I-MAC and the need to challenge systems treating public knowledge as monopoly property. 00:12:49 - 00:13:33 The survey data: 1 in 3 Americans are skipping or rationing medications, a Western problem as much as a global one. 00:16:12 - 00:16:55 Novo Nordisk's 320+ patent applications on the Ozempic active ingredient, and how that data changed the Congressional conversation. 00:21:52 - 00:24:54 The linguistic shift from "invention" to "innovation" after the late 1970s, and why the distinction matters for policy. 00:30:27 - 00:31:32 Why incrementalism is the system's release valve, and the case for committing to real, structural change over the long run.  

Episode Summary Judge Nushin Sayfie traces her path from a fifth-grade classroom where a teacher named her attorney general, to 14 years defending clients who couldn't afford a lawyer, to the bench of Florida's 11th Judicial Circuit. She talks with Kathryn Rubino about what she gave up to become a judge, what she has never stopped missing, and what finally pushed her to apply for a vacancy she hadn't planned on. She's direct about the realities most judicial candidates don't advertise: the pressure of running for election, the vulnerability of every public decision, and the steep learning curve of developing the thick skin the job demands. On women in law, she's equally clear. The numbers at the top still don't reflect what's happening in law school classrooms, and that gap doesn't close without honest conversation and real mentorship. Key Takeaways The move from trial lawyer to judge means trading the high of winning for a different kind of authority. Most honest judges will tell you they miss it. Florida's system of judicial elections creates genuine pressure on sitting judges. Any judge who claims otherwise has probably already decided to retire. Preparation is irreplaceable. No natural talent substitutes for doing the work, and that's as true in the courtroom as anywhere. Mentorship isn't optional. It's one of the clearest predictors of who makes it to the top of the profession, especially for women. 'Use the robe.' Authority doesn't require volume. The most effective leaders in any room are the ones who bring the temperature down. Links and Resources Above the Law The Jabot Podcast Keywords Judge Nushin Sayfie, The Jabot Podcast, Kathryn Rubino, women in law, public defender, judicial career, Florida judge, Chief Judge, 11th Judicial Circuit, legal mentorship, judicial elections, trial lawyer, women in leadership, legal career advice, Above the Law, courtroom experience, legal profession, women attorneys, judicial temperament, work-life balance in law Episode Highlights [00:00:24 - 00:01:36]  Judge Sayfie traces her interest in law to a fifth-grade teacher who named her attorney general of the class government. [00:02:10 - 00:04:17]  On 14 years as a public defender, and why defending people who couldn't afford a lawyer felt like the right fit. [00:04:29 - 00:06:04]  The baptism conversation that led to an unexpected application for a judicial vacancy, decided on the drive home. [00:07:54 - 00:09:09]  On the unique high of winning as a trial lawyer, and what it's like to sit on the other side of that feeling. [00:09:47 - 00:11:08]  On developing thick skin, making decisions under public scrutiny, and why judges who avoid deciding are failing. [00:13:30 - 00:16:31]  On running for judicial election in Florida and surviving unfair media coverage as Chief Judge. [00:17:31 - 00:18:03]  On women still not reaching the top despite filling more than half of law school seats across the country. [00:22:05 - 00:24:05]  The death penalty war story: a client who refused to testify mid-trial, dismantling months of case preparation. [00:25:17 - 00:26:16]  On being the calming presence in any room: 'Use the robe. Don't raise your voice.'

Episode Summary In this episode of the Jabot Podcast, host Kathryn Rubino speaks with Molly Coleman, Executive Director of the People's Parity Project (PPP) and newly elected St. Paul City Council member, about organizing within the legal profession and redefining the role lawyers play in democracy. Coleman shares how her early work in public education inspired her to pursue law as a tool for systemic change, and how the People's Parity Project grew from a small group of law students into a national organizing force challenging corporate power, forced arbitration, and inequities embedded within the legal system. The conversation explores the ideological shaping of law students, the long-term influence of legal movements, and the importance of building alternative pathways for lawyers who want to advance social and economic justice. Coleman also reflects on organizing during political crisis, the limits of courts as vehicles for change, and why community action — not institutions alone — ultimately drives democratic resilience. This episode offers a candid look at legal activism, professional responsibility, and what it means for lawyers to engage both inside and outside systems of power. Links & Resources Home - People's Parity Project Keywords People's Parity Project Molly Coleman Legal organizing Law student activism Legal profession reform Forced arbitration Non-disclosure agreements Legal activism Democracy and law Popular constitutionalism Legal organizing movements Corporate power and law Lawyers and social change Legal education reform Political organizing Community lawyering Judicial power Legal profession ideology Public interest law Law and democracy Episode Highlights 00:04–00:26 - Molly Coleman's path from public education to law school 00:26–01:50 - Seeking systemic change beyond direct service work 01:50–03:14 - Law school expectations versus institutional realities 03:14–04:23 - The Me Too movement and the origins of the People's Parity Project 04:23–05:24 - Early organizing against forced arbitration and NDAs 05:24–07:08 - Social media organizing and unexpected influence on Big Law 07:08–08:53 - How PPP evolved from a student project into a national organization 08:53–11:27 - Ideological shaping of law students and counterbalancing dominant narratives 11:27–12:53 - Why organizing lawyers matters for long-term political change 12:53–15:40 - Misconceptions about the political ideology of the legal profession 15:40–17:55 - Political pressures on law firms and the profession's shifting landscape 17:55–19:18 - Crisis in Minnesota and limits of relying on courts for protection 19:18–20:16 - Popular constitutionalism and people-powered resistance 20:16–22:33 - How lawyers can contribute during political and social crises 22:33–24:23 - Transitioning from organizer to elected official 24:23–26:27 - The future of legal organizing and building democratic resilience  

Episode Summary In this episode of the Jabot Podcast, host Kathryn Rubino speaks with economist and criminal justice expert Jennifer Doleac, author of The Science of Second Chances: A Revolution in Criminal Justice and Executive Vice President of Criminal Justice at Arnold Ventures. Drawing from economic research and real-world policy analysis, Doleac explains how data — not ideology — should guide criminal justice reform. The conversation explores how incentives shape behavior, why increasing the certainty of consequences works better than harsher punishment, and how evidence challenges many widely accepted assumptions about crime policy. From probation reform and recidivism research to hiring discrimination and unintended policy consequences, Doleac argues that solving complex justice problems requires experimentation, humility, and rigorous testing. The episode ultimately reframes criminal justice reform as a question of incentives, systems design, and evidence-based decision-making rather than political narratives. Links & Resources Home Jennifer Doleac (@jenniferdoleac) on X Arnold Ventures | Jennifer Doleac https://www.linkedin.com/in/jdoleac/ Keywords Criminal justice reform Second chances Jennifer Doleac Evidence-based policy Economics of crime Recidivism research Deterrence theory Probation reform Ban the Box policy Employment discrimination Second chance hiring Policy experimentation Data-driven justice Natural experiments Incentives and behavior Public policy evaluation Mass incarceration solutions Economic analysis of crime Criminal records employment Justice system innovation Episode Highlights 00:04–00:50 - Jennifer Doleac's path from economics to criminal justice research 00:50–02:15 - Using economic tools to measure real-world policy impact 02:15–03:28 - Bridging human justice issues with economic analysis 03:28–05:37 - The three ways economists contribute to criminal justice reform 05:37–06:50 - Shifting policy culture from certainty to experimentation 06:50–08:21 - Why certainty of consequences deters crime more than harsh punishment 08:21–09:43 - Structural challenges of implementing reform across states and jurisdictions 09:43–12:19 - Surprising findings: leniency for first-time defendants reduces recidivism 12:19–15:02 - Probation reform and why more supervision can worsen outcomes 15:02–17:03 - Myths about public safety versus data-driven realities 17:03–19:14 - Employment barriers faced by people with criminal records 19:14–21:11 - How Ban the Box policies produced unintended racial disparities 21:11–22:49 - Rethinking incentives to improve second-chance hiring 22:49–24:24 - Insurance models and market solutions for employer risk concerns 24:24–25:25 - Why experimentation and hypothesis testing must guide reform  

Episode Summary In this episode of The Jabot Podcast, host Kathryn Rubino sits down with public defender, reform advocate, and author Emily Galvin Almanza to discuss her new book The Price of Mercy: Unfair Trials, a Broken System, and a Public Defender's Search for Justice in America. Emily shares her unexpected path into law, her deep commitment to criminal defense, and the emotional realities of representing clients navigating one of the most consequential systems in American society. Drawing from years in public defense and her work co-founding Partners for Justice, she explains why the criminal legal system often punishes instability rather than crime — and how policy choices, not individual morality, frequently determine who enters the system. The conversation explores burnout among defenders, systemic misconceptions about criminal courts, the role of compassion in policy reform, and the economic and social costs of incarceration. Ultimately, the episode reframes justice not as punishment, but as a question of public safety, community stability, and human dignity. Links & Resources emilygalvinalmanza.com Keywords Public defense Criminal justice reform The Price of Mercy Emily Galvin Almanza Public defender experience Mass incarceration Justice system reform Holistic defense model Legal burnout Court system inequality Compassion in policy Criminal legal system Wrongful convictions Socioeconomic inequality Recidivism data Legal advocacy Community safety policy Justice and economics Legal storytelling Human-centered justice Episode Highlights 00:05–02:17 - Emily's accidental journey into law school and discovering criminal law 02:17–04:19 - Finding purpose through public defense and helping clients "come home" 04:19–05:55 - Why passion for clients sustains lawyers through intense legal work 05:55–08:05 - Burnout in public defense and operating under constant crisis conditions 08:05–10:05 - Institutional change and caseload reform as keys to lawyer wellbeing 10:05–11:13 - Fighting not only for clients but for constitutional rights and communities 11:13–12:39 - Why Emily stepped back from trial work to build systemic solutions 12:39–14:11 - Founding Partners for Justice and expanding holistic defense nationwide 14:11–15:28 - Writing the book to make reform knowledge accessible to everyday voters 15:28–17:28 - Misconception #1: people enter the system because of policy choices, not just crime 17:28–18:44 - Court process realities and why 98% of cases end in guilty pleas 18:44–20:05 - Junk science and myths about forensic evidence 20:05–21:35 - Humanizing defendants and challenging public stereotypes 21:35–22:27 - Success stories after incarceration rarely told in public narratives 22:27–24:15 - Why social services function as public safety strategies 24:15–25:59 - Economic costs of incarceration and long-term societal impact 25:59–26:23 - Using data and storytelling to change public conversations about justice  

Summary  In this episode of the Jabot podcast, host Kathryn Rubino chats with Sandra Cohen, co-managing partner at Cohen & Buckmann. Sandra shares her journey from HR to law, specializing in executive compensation and employee benefits. Discover the challenges and rewards of running a boutique law firm and gain insights into the niche legal field of ERISA. It's a must-listen for those curious about dynamic law careers and the evolving landscape of boutique legal practices!. Episode Highlights 00:34 - Why Sandra Cohen pursued law. 02:55 - Transition from Big Law to personal practice. 05:07 - The elusive work of corporate lawyers. 06:34 - Complexities of executive compensation. 08:39 - Navigating tax and ERISA specializations. 10:59 - Founding a boutique law firm. 13:09 - Teaming up with small/boutique firms. 16:19 - The importance of smart hiring. 18:58 - Networking as making friends, not just connections. 22:14 - Promoting a law firm's unique strengths. Episode Resources Sandra W. Cohen — Cohen & Buckmann, P.C. https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandracohenesq/ Keywords Jabot podcast   Kathryn Rubino   Sandra Cohen   Above the Law   Cohen & Buckman   legal industry   law school   human resources   organizational psychology   big law   Wall Street firm   co-managing partner   executive compensation   employee benefits   corporate law   transactional attorney   ERISA   M&A transactions   tax lawyers   litigators   boutique law firm   businesswoman   mentoring   networking   elite boutique trend   legal talent   mentorship   specialized practices   law firm ecosystem  

In this episode, host Kathryn Rubino chats with Farid Yaghoubtil, founding partner of DTLA Law Group. Discover Farid's journey from fleeing Iran to empowering the underrepresented through law. His passion for justice, client-focused approach, and the challenges of balancing ideals with firm management make it a must-listen for aspiring lawyers and entrepreneurs. Tune in to catch Farid's inspiring stories and insightful advice on staying true to your mission. Episode Highlights Decision to pursue law due to childhood injustice. Balancing ideals and legal system realities. Motivation behind starting a law firm. Challenges of running a legal business. Importance of organization and hiring in business success. Leading with empathy in law practice. Avoiding burnout through gratitude and meaningful connections. Inspiring story: Helping a child in a lead exposure case. The value of listening to clients. A personal approach over transactional lawyering. Building client relationships for sustained growth.   Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus   Links and Resources https://downtownlalaw.com/attorney-profiles/farid-yaghoubtil/    Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

In this episode, Kathryn Rubino chats with Victoria Inoyo, director of advising at Juris Education. Dive into the world of law school applications with insights on choosing the right path, weighing the cost, and finding a career that fits you. Victoria shares personal experiences, highlighting how exposure to diverse perspectives can enhance your law school journey. A must-listen for prospective law students!   Episode Highlights Curiosity's Role in Choosing Law. Importance of Talking to Lawyers Pre-Law School. Rising Law School Costs and Job Decisions. Law School Rankings vs. Personal Goals. Location's Impact on Law Career. Dispelling Misconceptions: GPA & Test Scores. Beyond Law: Alternative Careers with a JD. Importance of Exposure to Diverse Perspectives. Encouraging Exploration of Law Paths.   Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus   Links and Resources https://www.juriseducation.com/team/victoria-inoyo  https://www.linkedin.com/in/victoria-inoyo/  https://victoriainoyo.com/  victoria.inoyo.juris@gmail.com    Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts  

Join host Kathryn Rubino on The Jabot podcast with Yale Law's Judith Resnik. Discover how historical detention practices challenge democracy today. Explore her new book, "Impermissible Punishments," for insights on humane reforms. A thought-provoking must-listen!   Episode Highlights Discussion of upcoming book, "Impermissible Punishments" Journey to Academia: From Law School to Professor Prison as a Social Service: Complexities and Paradoxes Judicial Debate on the Permissibility of Whipping in Prisons Historical Roots: The League of Nations and Prison Standards Evolution of Prisoners' Rights and Dignity Importance of Recognizing Incarcerated as Rights Bearers Global Perspective: Common Problems in Prisons Worldwide The Cost of Maintaining the Current Prison System Inhumane Practices and the Need for Solid Lines on Punishments Changing Nature: Prison is a Construct, Not a Standard Solitary Confinement: A Physical and Emotional Burden Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus   Links and Resources https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/I/bo243487113.html  https://impermissiblepunishments.law.yale.edu/  judith.resnik@yale.edu    Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

In this episode, host Kathryn Rubino chats with Marc Brown, a dynamic attorney and Big Dave's Cheesesteaks franchise owner. Marc opens up about his non-linear career path from Biglaw to founding his own successful firm, sharing insights on the fulfilling shift to plaintiff's work and the challenges of running a business. Aspiring lawyers and entrepreneurs alike will find inspiration in Marc's journey of pursuing passion over convention and learning to balance career and life. Tune in for a mix of legal wisdom and the secret to a perfect cheesesteak!.   Episode Highlights Childhood dream of becoming a lawyer Reality vs. TV portrayal of law work Unplanned career path: Starting a law firm Shift from Biglaw to plaintiff's work Dealing with emotionally challenging cases Transition to owning a law firm Lessons from running a personal injury firm Challenges of starting a new practice Importance of experience before starting a firm Franchise opportunity with Big Dave's Balancing multiple business ventures Career highlight: Marc Brown Legal Minute Learning from career lows and losses   Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus   Links and Resources https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcusjbrown/  https://www.marcbrownlawfirm.com/  https://www.bigdavesway.com/    Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts  

In this episode of The Jabot Podcast, host Kathryn Rubino chats with Sarah Johansson, the Legal Product Lead at Theo Ai, about the intersection of legal tech and AI. Sarah shares her journey from law to tech and explains how Theo Ai predicts lawsuit outcomes using data and intelligent agents. This episode dives into AI's role in litigation, addressing skepticism, biases, and the human element of lawyering. Essential listening for anyone curious about the future of law and technology's growing impact!   Episode Highlights Passion for problem solving in law. Transition from litigation to tech. Predicting lawsuit outcomes with AI. Balancing AI's value and risks in law. Addressing bias in legal AI models. Importance of quality inputs in AI. Using AI in business decision-making. Potential of AI in appellate processes. AI supporting attorneys in meaningful changes.   Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus   Links and Resources https://theoai.ai/  https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-johansson/    Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

Tune in to the latest Jabot episode as host Kathryn Rubino chats with Margot Hoppin, co-founder of Hoppin Grinsell. Discover the challenges and victories of starting a law firm post- COVID, the impact of AI in law, and the real deal on work-life balance.   Highlights Transition from Biglaw to founding a boutique firm. Trend of starting new firms post-COVID. Time-tracking challenges of running a law firm. Growth milestone: hiring and team development. Balancing work demands with personal time-off goals. Importance of cash flow management in a small firm. Key learnings: experience in running a law firm. Impact of AI on traditional law firm structures. Maintaining firm culture during growth. Benefits of transparency in a smaller law firm. Valuing open communication and addressing knowledge gaps.   Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus   Links and Resources https://www.hoppingrinsell.com/team/margot-hoppin    Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

Listen to The Jabot podcast as Kathryn Rubino interviews attorney and author Audrey Ingram, who shares her compelling transition from a law career to writing. Explore Audrey's journey, motherhood's role in her life choices, and get a glimpse of her new novel, “The Summer We Ran,” about first loves turned political rivals. A must-listen for aspiring writers and anyone seeking inspiration to chase their dreams!   Highlights Transition from Big Law to Novel Writing Fulfillment in Motherhood Navigating Guilt and Finding Balance Inspiration for Debut Novel Elements of an Ideal Summer Beach Read Creativity and Storytelling Sources Crafting Imperfect Characters Integrating Legal Skills in Writing Balancing Creative and Business Aspects in Writing   Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus   Links and Resources https://www.instagram.com/audreyingramwrites/?hl=en  https://www.instagram.com/zibbypublishing/?hl=en  https://audreyingramwrites.com/    Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

Join host Kathryn Rubino on the Jabot Podcast as she sits down with Columbia Law School's Susan Sturm to discuss her compelling new book, “What Might Be.” Susan shares her passion for social justice and explores the power of reimagining systems for a more equitable future. This episode is a must-listen for those eager to understand the paradoxes in social justice work and how to navigate them for impactful change.   Highlights Seeds of the book from childhood experiences. Contradiction seen in the law from day one. Building environments for full participation. Academia as a path for social justice. The power of ideas in driving change. What law is according to Robert Cover. Imagining systems for social justice. Creating micro spaces of justice now. Three paradoxes in addressing racism. Navigating racial salience paradox. Building multiracial collaborations. The challenge and necessity of hope. Avoiding internal immigration.   Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus   Links and Resources https://whatmightbe.me/    Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts  

Join host Kathryn Rubino with guests Laurice Rutledge Lambert and Jennifer Whitton. Discover their unique journey from Big Law to founding a boutique health law firm. Explore their mission-driven approach and the challenges they face in healthcare regulation. Perfect for aspiring entrepreneurs and legal enthusiasts   Highlights Jennifer's journey: from international relations to law. Laurice's shift from medicine ambitions to health law. Misconceptions about lawyers and real pathway insights. Importance of persistence in career focus. Jennifer's mentor-driven transition to actual healthcare law. Challenges and implications of starting their own firm. Big law vs. entrepreneurship: Laurice's turning point. Values-driven alignment in forming their firm. Organic growth and values attract talent. Overcoming misconceptions about small firms lacking sophistication. Team strength and client faith as major successes. Current challenges and future of health care law.   Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus   Links and Resources Jennifer's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenniferpwhitton/  Laurice's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lauricelambert/    Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

Tune into The Jabot Podcast for a must-listen episode with Anna Kirkland, a professor at the University of Michigan. Discover how her new book reveals the complexities and failures of discrimination law in healthcare. Unpack how civil rights shape healthcare access, and learn about the impact of algorithmic bias. Essential for those keen on healthcare policies and rights protections. Don't miss it!   Highlights Anna's academic journey: from law school to academia The intersection of civil rights and healthcare in Kirkland's book Historical context: Transgender rights and public opinion Complexities of implementing nondiscrimination in healthcare Supreme Court involvement in gender-affirming care for youth Medicare as a tool of civil rights enforcement in history The role of rank-and-file employees in healthcare discrimination Patient experience: legal vs. customer service approach Challenges of addressing algorithmic discrimination in healthcare Key issues in healthcare discrimination today   Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus   Links and Resources https://www.ucpress.edu/books/health-care-civil-rights/paper    Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts  

On the latest episode of the Jabot Podcast, host Kathryn Rubino welcomes attorney Laura Cowan, author of “Lifestyle Lawyer Revolution.” Discover why Laura transitioned from CPA to law, her journey of starting an estate planning firm, and the insights from her lifestyle-focused law practice. Laura shares invaluable tips on balancing career success with personal well-being. Whether you're a seasoned lawyer or just starting, Laura's practical advice and unique perspective offer a refreshing take on modern legal practice. Don't miss this insightful conversation!   Highlights Combining law with finance interests Entrepreneurial spirit in law practice Surviving the challenge of starting a law firm Importance of practical law education Debunking the workaholic lawyer myth Avoiding lawyer burnout Utilizing technology in law practice Value of coaching for legal success Fear and success in public speaking   Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus   Links and Resources https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F3FNZMQN https://www.2hourlifestylelawyer.com/    Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts  

In this episode, host Kathryn Rubino chats with Marnie Dale Ragan, Ariella Gutman, and Kara Olesky. They share insights on their unique journeys in the legal field, focusing on the intricacies of condominium law, litigation, and business. Explore how they balance professional growth with personal life, tackle high-stakes disputes, and the dynamics of partnership. Perfect for aspiring lawyers or anyone intrigued by the law's diverse career paths.   Highlights Navigating high stakes business disputes. Journey to unconventional practice areas. The personal and corporate intersection in condo law. Condo governance: challenges and responsibilities. Evolving legal issues in condo management. The path to partnership: experiences and expectations. Balancing career ambitions with personal life. Collective support among partners. Growth beyond partnership. Celebrating career milestones and victories.   Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus   Links and Resources https://www.linkedin.com/in/kara-olesky-48205034/  https://www.linkedin.com/in/ariellagutman/  https://www.linkedin.com/in/marnie-dale-ragan-44185813/    Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

In this episode, host Kathryn Rubino chats with Cecilia Poullain, an international executive coach and former lawyer. Cecilia shares insightful career transitions from law to coaching, focusing on empowering women to become partners in law firms. The episode uncovers the hidden challenges of partnership, the importance of confidence, and striking a work-life balance. Cecilia's personal stories reveal the necessity of understanding one's true career desires. A must-listen for aspiring partners and those questioning their legal career path.   Highlights Transitioning from law to executive coaching. Valuable skills from a legal background in the financial sector. Discovering a path through Gestalt therapy. Challenges in the partnership journey for women. The hidden skills needed for partnership. Confidence issues and perfectionism in law. The loneliness and mental health in law firms. Recognizing and utilizing emotional intelligence in law. Balancing personal life with demanding legal careers. Flexibility in work arrangements as a solution. Navigating personal goals within rigid law firm structures. Coaching focus: achieving partnership to improve firm culture.   Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus   Links and Resources https://www.ceciliapoullain.com/    Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts  

Kathryn Rubino chats with Olga Berson partner at Thompson Coburn. Olga shares her journey from a scientist to a top patent attorney, tackling AI's impact on patentability and the evolving biosimilar litigation. Her unique insights and balance between law and ballroom dancing make it an inspiring episode!   Highlights Path from science to patent law. Patent lawyers as the geeks of the law field. Collaborating across legal disciplines. Day-to-day life of a patent partner. Unique career spanning patent prosecution, litigation, and more. Key issues: Patent eligibility and AI. Patent law and its challenges with biotech and AI. Balancing AI's role in innovation and patentability. AI hallucinations and legal implications. Lateral move to Thompson Coburn and its appeal. Combining a demanding career with ballroom dancing. Advice for aspiring patent lawyers: Build client trust.   Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus   Links and Resources https://www.linkedin.com/in/olga-berson-phd-patent-attorney/ https://www.thompsoncoburn.com/people/olga-berson-ph-d/    Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts  

Kathryn Rubino chats with Padideh Jafari founder and CEO of Jafari Law and Mediation Office. Discover Padideh's inspiring journey from a five-year-old aspiring lawyer to a successful family law practitioner and advocate. With fascinating insights into handling high-conflict divorce cases, Jafari offers valuable advice for budding lawyers on balancing a demanding career with personal well-being. Tune in for a dose of inspiration and practical tips.   Highlights Inspiration to pursue law from age five. Overcoming skepticism and pursuing legal education. Challenges and attrition in law school leading to camaraderie. Early passion and varied legal experiences. Balancing personal interest with market demand. The advantage of pre-law school attorney roles. Choosing family law despite initial reluctance. Importance of work experience during law school. Specializing in high-conflict cases and mediation. Integrating technology like AI into law practice. Significance of community involvement in legal practice.   Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus   Links and Resources https://www.instagram.com/jafarilegal/?hl=es-la https://www.youtube.com/@jafarilegal  https://www.tiktok.com/@jafarilegal  https://x.com/jafarilawfirm    Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts  

Kathryn Rubino chats with Cayce Lynch, the new national managing partner at Tyson & Mendes. Discover Cayce's inspiring journey from paralegal to managing partner, the unique culture at her firm, and how they're innovating in defense law. An uplifting listen for aspiring legal professionals!   Highlights Deciding to go to law school. Mentors and law school experience. Discovering a passion for civil procedure. Moving to California and taking the bar. Discovering the right firm by chance. Why Tyson & Mendes is the perfect fit. Growth and transition to managing partner. Going into the business side of law. Breaking the glass ceiling in the legal industry. Maintaining firm culture during expansion.   Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus   Links and Resources https://www.tysonmendes.com/attorneys/cayce-e-lynch/    Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts  

Kathryn Rubino chats with Jesse-Justin Cuevas, partner at Susman Godfrey, about her inspiring journey from high school debater to a successful litigation partner. Discover her insights on balancing a high-stakes legal career with personal life and why mentorship is crucial. A must-listen for aspiring lawyers and anyone curious about the legal profession! Highlights Decision to pursue law school Business disputes as human disputes Typical day for a litigation partner Importance of mentorship Path to partnership at Susman Godfrey Early career realization through intense casework Benefits of clerkship experiences Balancing personal life with a legal career Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus  Links and Resources https://www.linkedin.com/in/jesse-justin-cuevas-559443174/ https://www.susmangodfrey.com/attorneys/jesse-justin-cuevas/   Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

Kathryn Rubino chats with Peter Bruland, a Senior Managing Associate at Sidley, who is set to argue before the Supreme Court! Discover his inspiring journey from law school to tackling crucial, high-stakes legal issues. Don't miss this captivating episode filled with insights into Supreme Court advocacy and the balance between pro bono work and career development. It's a must-listen for aspiring lawyers and anyone intrigued by the art of legal persuasion. Highlights Discovering law through criminal procedure class. Thrill of solving puzzles in appellate work. First Sidley associate to argue before the Supreme Court. Stakes in criminal cases: freedom on the line. Preparing for the Supreme Court oral argument. Balancing pro bono work with billable hours. Strategic impact: procedural vs. emotional appeals. Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus  Links and Resources https://www.sidley.com/en/people/b/bruland-peter-a   Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

Kathryn Rubino chats with Corinna Lain who reveals the chilling realities of lethal injection as detailed in her new book, “Secrets of the Killing State.” This episode exposes the grim processes hidden from the public eye, challenging perceptions on the death penalty. A must-listen for insights into a controversial legal practice! Highlights Legal Academia: Balance of Teaching and Publishing University of Richmond: Teaching Importance Journey to Death Penalty Expertise Initial Skepticism About Supreme Court The Fragility of Lethal Injection Doctrine vs. Reality: Protecting Unpopular Minorities Changing Views on Death Penalty Execution Process: Front-Row Seat Case Example: Brian Dorsey Story Victim Closure: A Misleading Promise Surprising Findings on Lethal Injection Non-Medical Executions: A Shocking Truth Legal Violations in Drug Procurement Glossop Case: Legal and Moral Implications Supreme Court's Unsettling Divisions Future of Capital Punishment: A Dying System Decline in Death Penalty Support Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus  Links and Resources https://nyupress.org/9781479832965/secrets-of-the-killing-state/   Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

Kathryn Rubino chats with Joann Rezzo who shares her unconventional journey from aspiring CIA agent to law school, through big law, and eventually to mediation. Joan highlights the power of empathy, her knack for negotiation, and how varied experiences helped shape her career, enriching both her mediation skills and her personal growth. Hear Joann's vibrant anecdotes, including a clever courtroom victory involving an unexpected witness. A must-listen for insights on navigating a diverse legal career path and finding fulfillment.   Highlights Choosing law school over CIA. Navigating a nepotistic law school environment. Career path: From Big Law to small firm. Transition to plaintiffs and defense work. Benefits of trial experience in Big Law. Conflicts check process at a small firm. Importance of understanding both plaintiffs and defense perspectives. Motivation to transition to mediation. Financial readiness enabling career shifts. Knowing when to jump into new opportunities. Traits for a successful mediator: empathy and listening. Memorable litigation story: Using a surprise rebuttal witness. Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus    Links and Resources https://signatureresolution.com/neutral-CPT/joann-rezzo/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/joann-rezzo-62396449/     Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

Kathryn Rubino chats with David Enrich, business investigations editor at The New York Times and author of “Murder The Truth.” They explore the powerful influence of big law firms and the current landscape of defamation law that threatens journalistic freedom. With insights on media regulations and Sullivan's landmark case, this episode sheds light on the implications for free speech and democracy, a must-listen for anyone intrigued by media law and its societal impact. Highlights AI-powered legal research tool. Encountering lawyers in financial scandals. Power and secrecy of big law firms. Importance of New York Times v. Sullivan. Trump's attacks on media and defamation law. Supreme Court opinions on Sullivan. Potential consequences of overturning Sullivan. Impact on journalism without Sullivan protections. Threats to local journalism and mental health. Sophisticated pressure tactics against journalists. Predictions on Sullivan's future protections. Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus  Links and Resources https://www.harpercollins.com/products/murder-the-truth-david-enrich?variant=42734343421986 https://www.nytimes.com/by/david-enrich https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Enrich https://x.com/davidenrich?lang=en https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-enrich-5b2a71/   Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

Kathryn Rubino chats with Lisa Landy, a Principal at Therrel Baisden. Discover Lisa's journey into law, her passion for probate litigation, and insights on mentoring and firm growth. Perfect for aspiring lawyers! Highlights Transition to probate litigation. Key personality traits for probate practice. Mentorship's role in law firms. Legacy of a century-old law firm. Impact of firm growth from 4 to 14 attorneys. Passion for courtroom experiences. The impact of Zoom on legal proceedings. Pros and cons of virtual and in-person court. Memorable mediation experience. Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus  Links and Resources https://www.therrelbaisden.com/lisa-d-landy/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisa-landy-460a72a7/   Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

Kathryn Rubino chats with Harvard Law's Prof. Mark Tushnet, exploring his new book, “Who Am I to Judge?” Tushnet critiques the Supreme Court's originalism and questions the narrow experience of justices. A must-listen to rethink judicial norms and hear Tushnet's engaging perspectives on ideal court nominations and even the question of favorite books! Highlights The genesis of a legal career: from political science to law school. Critique of judicial review's evolution since the 1970s. Democrats rely on courts against the Trump administration. Background of the book “Who Am I to Judge?” Insight on Supreme Court composition change over generations. Judges' uniformity influencing mediocre decisions. Originalism in academic vs judicial contexts. Evaluating Supreme Court nominees on broader life experiences. Predictions for Trump's potential future nominees.   Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus  Links and Resources https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300277029/who-am-i-to-judge/   Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

Kathryn Rubino and personal injury attorney Edward Ortega dive into the nuances of legal careers. From unexpected courtroom experiences to the role of technology in modern law practice, Edward shares his journey from family law to the largest personal injury firm in North Carolina. Discover the highs and lows of lawyering and learn why finding your fit can make all the difference in work-life balance. Perfect for aspiring lawyers and legal professionals looking for genuine insights! Highlights Why Law School? A Personal Story The Reality vs. TV: Being an Attorney What I Wish I Knew About Law Practice Importance of Internships in Legal Career Deciding on Family Law vs. Personal Injury Balancing Work and Family Life Day in the Life: Personal Injury Attorney Role of Technology in Legal Practice Career Highs and Lows Why Mentorship is Crucial for New Lawyers Making a Difference for Clients Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus  Links and Resources https://www.linkedin.com/in/edwardjortega/   Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

Kathryn Rubino chats with special guest Alreen Haeggquist, an attorney and author of “Fired Up! Fueling Triumph from Trauma.” Discover Alreen's inspiring journey of turning personal trauma into a powerful legal career advocating for abuse survivors. It's a heartfelt discussion on resilience, the therapeutic power of speaking out, and finding balance in emotionally charged legal work. Perfect for aspiring lawyers seeking purpose and passion in their careers.   Highlights Importance of Sharing Personal Stories: Helping others by sharing one's own trauma. Emotional Connection: Relating personal experiences to client advocacy. Speaking Out: The significance of addressing trauma through expression. Balancing Emotion with Law: Challenges and strategies in emotionally charged cases. Harnessing Triggers: Using past trauma to fuel passionate advocacy. Risk of Burnout: Mitigation strategies for emotionally demanding work. Advocacy Against Power Dynamics: Fighting against perceived power and hierarchy. Dealing with Client Fears: Building trust and support during vulnerable times. Victory through Voice: The importance of being believed and heard. Business and Passion: Balancing financial realities with passionate advocacy. Trauma Informed Lawyering: Importance of understanding trauma in client relationships.   Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus    Links and Resources https://www.alreen.com/ https://haelaw.com/alreens-story/ https://www.amazon.com/Fired-Up-Fueling-Triumph-Trauma/dp/1544541708   Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

Kathryn Rubino chats with Talia Rosen, the lawyer-turned-board game creator. Her game, “First Monday in October”, offers a strategic dive into U.S. Supreme Court history. Discover her creative process and how it brings legal history alive in an engaging way. Tune in for behind-the-scenes insights into her 10-year journey from concept to a playable reality! Highlights Law school decision: Intentional or accidental? First Monday in October: Supreme Court-themed board game. Game mechanics: Historical cases and justices. Balancing day job and game creation. Board Game Creation: Creative process and iteration. Game testing: Community feedback and play-testing events. Choosing gameplay: Strategy and historical accuracy. Historical trivia: Fascinating facts about past justices. Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus  Links and Resources https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/314086/first-monday-in-october https://www.fortcircle.com/first-monday-in-october/     Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

Kathryn Rubino chats with Rebecca Haw Allensworth, a Vanderbilt Law School professor and author of “The Licensing Racket”. Discover the untold stories behind professional licensing, the unexpected impact on various careers, and why these regulations might not always serve the public. Rebecca's firsthand research brings intriguing insights into how licensing affects professions from barbers to doctors and potential reforms. Don't miss this chance to rethink the system that shapes many of our careers!. Highlights English vs. Law: Career advice. Antitrust: Economical dominance. Licensing paper: Supreme Court citation. Licensing board meetings investigation. Self-regulation across professions. Over-regulation: Haircuts vs. law degrees. Professional licenses as American Dream. Legal profession self-dealing. Cross-disciplinary board potential. Federalism complicates licensing reform. Hope for future board reforms. Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus  Links and Resources https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674295421 https://x.com/hawallensworth   Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcast

Kathryn Rubino chats with Jackie Gardina, Dean and Chief Academic Officer of The Colleges of Law, about systemic change, legal education, and the hurdles to entering the legal profession. Gain insights on LGBTQ rights, bar exam reform, and advice for future law students. A must-listen for those interested in modern legal challenges!   Highlights From clinical therapy to a passion for law. Systemic change as a career theme. Multiple pathways to change: Don't Ask, Don't Tell. Legal battles and the evolution of rights. Repeal challenges for LGBTQIA rights. Voting rights history as a movement. State-level demonization of LGBTQ youth. Federalism's effect on state rights. Bar exam as an exclusionary mechanism. Disconnect between bar exam and legal practice. COVID as an inflection point for bar reform. The push for bar exam reform in California. Critique of law school's alignment with practice. Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus    Links and Resources https://www.calbar.ca.gov/About-Us/Who-We-Are/Archived-Committees/Blue-Ribbon-Commission https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sidebar-optimism-in-action-conversations-with-lawyers/id1651930609 https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackie-gardina-78907b8/   Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

Kathryn Rubino chats with Elizabeth Kelley, a dedicated criminal defense attorney fighting for justice for individuals with mental disabilities. Kelley shares her journey from literature student to a passionate advocate in a field needing reform. Her insights into mental health law and her hands-on approach to client representation are inspiring and thought-provoking. Tune in to discover why compassion and understanding are vital in the legal world, and how her work hopes to shape a more inclusive justice system. Highlights Balancing humanities and law. Outrage about mental disabilities. Finding fulfillment in criminal defense. Starting a law firm. Lessons from opening a practice. Importance of wellness and coaching. Mental wellness in law school. Writing practical guides for lawyers. Value of independent forensic evaluations. A powerful courtroom experience. The role of problem-solving courts. Advice for pursuing justice for mental disabilities.   Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus    Links and Resources https://www.elizabethkelleylaw.com/ https://www.elizabethkelleylaw.com/books/ https://www.elizabethkelleylaw.com/podcast/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/elizabeth-kelley-14110430/   Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

Kathryn Rubino chats with Mary Anne Franks, a leading voice in Intellectual Property and Civil Rights Law. Uncover the essence of fearless speech and why it's crucial in today's world. Explore bold concepts from her new book that challenge conventional First Amendment beliefs. A must-listen for anyone intrigued by legal boundaries and free speech dynamics!   Highlights Life and career updates since 2020. Transition from Miami to George Washington University. Balancing academia and publication. Clear communication as education and writing goal. Importance of free speech. Why focus on the First Amendment in the second book. The constant evolution of First Amendment discussions. Public and legal misconceptions about censorship. Members of Congress misunderstanding censorship. New framework for evaluating and understanding free speech. Definition and importance of “Fearless Speech.” Story of Dorothy Thompson as an example of fearless speech. Difference between protecting and promoting speech. University campuses and the issue of controversial speakers.   Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus    Links and Resources https://www.amazon.com/Fearless-Speech-Breaking-First-Amendment/dp/1645030539/ref=sr_1_1 https://www.law.gwu.edu/mary-anne-franks https://cybercivilrights.org/   Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

In this episode, host Kathryn Rubino interviews Dale Margolin Cecka, Albany Law School professor and director of family violence litigation. Discover her journey in law, challenges in child advocacy, and insights on family law education. Gain a deeper understanding of domestic violence legislation, its impact on survivors, and potential legal reforms. A must-listen for anyone interested in law, justice, and societal change!   Highlights Why law school: a journey to child advocacy. Transition from child advocacy to family law. Challenges with systems in child advocacy. Discovering a passion for family law. Law school clinics: bridging practice and theory. Role of clinics in true legal education. Traits that align with family law practice. Violence Against Women Act's impact and shortcomings. Critical issues with protective orders enforcement. Need for public education on domestic abuse. Future of domestic violence law reform. Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus  Links and Resources https://www.linkedin.com/in/dale-margolin-cecka-202255165/ https://www.salon.com/2024/08/21/it-ends-with-us-domestic-violence-lawyer/ https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/domestic-violence-rebecca-cheptegei https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/IPV-Prevention-Resource_508.pdf#:~:text=Data%20from%20the%20National%20Intimate%20Partner%20and%20Sexual,etc.%29%20from%20an%20intimate%20partner%20in%20their%20lifetime https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/child-custody-evaluators-beliefs-about-domestic-abuse-allegations   Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

Join host Kathryn as she chats with Luba Shur, author of “Rule 23” about her journey from law to novelist. Discover her insights on legal ethics, the myth of class actions, and how she balances writing with a legal career. A must-listen for aspiring lawyer-authors!   Highlights Intersection of reality and fantasy in career choice Early reading and legal career expectations Surprising twists and interesting outcomes in legal career Balancing writing and legal career Rule 23 as a skewer of legal profession dysfunction Inspiration behind the character Vera Creating compelling flawed characters Challenges of legal ethics and ambition Significance of mentorship and legal education critique Reality of Rule 23 and litigation process Future writing projects exploring startup culture Advice for balancing legal careers with writing Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus    Links and Resources https://www.amazon.in/dp/B0D8K6SJXS?ref=cm_sw_r_cp_ud_dp_ERPEZFRSCQ5129K0D5PJ&ref_=cm_sw_r_cp_ud_dp_ERPEZFRSCQ5129K0D5PJ&social_share=cm_sw_r_cp_ud_dp_ERPEZFRSCQ5129K0D5PJ&skipTwisterOG=1 https://www.audible.com/pd/Rule-23-Audiobook/B0D9HYRMFR?action_code=ASSGB149080119000H&share_location=pdp https://www.instagram.com/luba.shur/?hl=en https://www.tiktok.com/@luba.shur https://www.linkedin.com/in/luba-shur-7b73033a/   Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

Discover the inspiring journeys of Calyssa Zellars Kya Henley, founders of Saint Park Law, on this episode of the Jabot Podcast! Learn how these two dynamic lawyers navigated non-linear career paths, left big law to start their own firm, and stayed true to their mission. Gain insights into their unique approach to crisis management and investigations, the importance of intentional practice, and how they've blended personal passion with professional excellence. Don't miss this episode for a fresh take on entrepreneurship in law! Highlights Why law school? Personal motivations for impactful careers. Career transition: Becoming civil rights attorneys. Non-linear career path: From Detroit Lions to PR. Public defender experience: Passion fueled by Trayvon Martin case. Entrepreneurship: Founding Saint Park Law. Building a mission: Aligning skills with passion. Identity in firm name: Personal maternal lineage inspiration. Balancing work and life: Strategies for managing mental health. Advice for new lawyers: “No one knows you better than you.” Encouragement to be pioneers: Charting unique career paths. Episode Sponsored By  https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus  Links and Resources https://www.saintparklaw.com/ https://www.instagram.com/saintparklaw/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/saint-park-llp/about/   Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

Join Kathryn Rubino as she chats with Harvard Law grad and admissions counselor Calandra Almond. Discover how to navigate law school admissions, balance career goals, and set realistic expectations. Almond's personal journey offers invaluable insights—don't miss out! Highlights Personal law school journey. Considering what you want your life to look like. Admissions counseling and career mistakes. Making realistic decisions about law school. The importance of the LSAT. Diversity in law school admissions and potential impacts. Be true to yourself and what you want out of life. Episode Sponsored By https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus  Links and Resources https://lc.cx/GMIpZj  https://www.linkedin.com/in/calandra-almond   Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

In this episode, Kathryn chats with Lori Duff, author of the upcoming book, “Devil's Defense.” Lori shares candid insights about her accidental journey into law, her love for trial work, and the striking realism that underpins her novel. Discover her struggles balancing a legal career with writing, the hilarious challenges of introducing technology to courts during COVID, and her advice for lawyers with creative passions. This episode offers a compelling portrait of a small-town lawyer's life and the passion driving her literary journey. Highlights Lori's decision to go to law school. The connection between performance and trial work. Building a practice in a small town. Incorporating small-town southern life in “Devil's Defense.” Realistic portrayal of legal practice in the book. Impact of politician's confirmation hearing on Lori's writing. Developing the “Fisher At Law” series. Balancing writing with legal practice. Impact of COVID on legal practice and Lori's role in the state-level response. Frustrations with technology adoption in the legal field. Technology's lasting implications in law post-COVID. Navigating from conception to publication as an author. Importance of finding time for personal passions. Episode Resources https://www.loriduffwrites.com/ https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Devils-Defense/Lori-B-Duff/9781647427368  Episode Sponsored By https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus    Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

Dive into The Jabot podcast with Kathryn Rubino featuring Holly J. Moore, founder of Moore Family Law! Holly shares her journey from soul-sucking construction defect cases to the emotionally charged world of family law. Learn about the realities, challenges, and rewards of starting your own firm. Find out why family law “finds you” and get inspired by her tips for aspiring lawyers. Don't miss this engaging and honest conversation—perfect for anyone interested in the human aspect of legal practice. Highlights Why pursue law? Early inspiration. “You don't find family law, family law finds you.” Shift from construction law to family law. Managing high stakes and emotional cases. The balance between personal and professional life. Growing a solo practice and team. Hiring a coaching company for business growth. Memorable case with a significant age gap. Common misconceptions about family law from fellow lawyers. The argument against eliminating no-fault divorce.   Episode Sponsored By https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus  Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

Kathryn Rubino chats with Jiadai Lin, author and winner of the Sandra Carpenter Prize for Creative Nonfiction. Discover Jiadai's journey from big law to heartfelt storytelling, balancing law and literature with grace. Don't miss this inspiring conversation on following your true passion! Highlights The straightforwardness of a legal career versus the uncertainty of a writing career. Jiadai's compartmentalization of her law career and writing career. The emotional impact and challenges of leaving Big Law to pursue writing. The struggle and eventual acceptance of failures in her early writing career. The flexibility and benefits of working at a startup law firm while writing. The significant impact of winning the Sandra Carpenter Prize. The deep personal nature of her writing and its vulnerability. The role of memory and its imperfection in writing memoirs. Advice for lawyers harboring creative ambitions. The importance of giving oneself permission to pursue passions. Links and Resourceshttps://www.scmemorialfund.com/  Episode Sponsored By https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus  Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

Join host Kathryn Rubino who chats with Rachel Elkin, Pro Bono Counsel at Haines Boone. Discover Rachel's journey from a family of lawyers to championing public interest work and navigating her unexpected transition into Big Law. Gain insights on the rewarding and challenging aspects of pro bono work and how it shapes careers and communities. A must-listen for legal enthusiasts and those inspired by impactful lawyering. Highlights Why Rachel Elkin went to law school. First exposure to public interest law. Importance of law school clinics. Key mentorship in law school. How Rachel secured her first nonprofit job. Transitioning from nonprofit to big law. Role and importance of a pro bono counsel. Managing pro bono case selection. Balancing billable hours with pro bono work. Rachel's long-term goals for the firm's pro bono program. Episode Sponsored By https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus  Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

Join host Kathryn Rubino in a riveting episode with law professor Charles Moxley, expert and author of “Nuclear Weapons and International Law”. Discover the legal complexities and real-world implications of nuclear policy, deterrence, and modernization. Can law guide us towards nuclear abolition? Stay informed and engaged! Highlights Examining the US's nuclear policies versus international law. The esoteric nature of international law and its neglect. Different alerts and readiness levels in nuclear weapons policy. Legal principle of precaution and US non-compliance. Distinction, proportionality, and necessity in nuclear law. Nuclear deterrence vs. readiness explained. Russia-Ukraine conflict's impact on nuclear weapon risks. Failures in US policy to reconsider nuclear weapon modernization. The inadequate concern among younger generations about nuclear risks. Comparison between legal treatments of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons. Appeal to consider law as the path to nuclear abolition. Episode Sponsored By https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus  Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

Kathryn Rubino welcomes Kelly Hyman, founder of the Hyman Law Firm and host of “Once Upon a Crime in Hollywood”. Journey through Kelly's shift from a childhood acting career to making a significant impact in the legal world, advocating for victims of human trafficking and navigating the complexities of starting her own law firm. Kelly shares her passion for true crime and how her podcast, focusing on Hollywood-related cases with female victims, aims to make a difference. An inspiring listen for anyone interested in law, justice, and compelling storytelling! Highlights The impact of a 65-year-old law school peer. Supported into acting career by family friend Charlton Heston. Founding her own firm: balancing passion and practicality. Human trafficking and mass torts: main practice areas. Podcasting inspired by appearance on Nancy Grace's show. True crime podcast motivated by fascination with mysteries. Focus on cases affecting women in the entertainment industry. Episode Sponsored By https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus  Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

Kathryn chats with Madiba Dennie, deputy editor at Balls and Strikes, about her new book, “The Originalism Trap”. Discover how originalist ideology affects our legal system, and why it's crucial to challenge it. A must-listen for anyone curious about the evolving role of law and justice! Highlights Potential of the law to help or hurt people. Mediba's career path in public interest law. Transition from legal practice to legal commentary. Writing process of “The Originalism Trap.” The Originalism Trap: Motivation behind writing the book. Importance of reconstruction amendments in refuting originalism. Modern consequences of originalism: Dobbs and Bruen cases. Originalism's flawed historical analysis. Originalism's strategic organizational success. Federalist Society's influence on conservative legal professionals. Inclusive constitutionalism as a counter to originalism. Effective communication: Making interpretations matter to regular people. The broader impact of judicial decisions on various issues. Emerging positive trends: Law students and optimism. Understanding history to drive change and hope. Episode Sponsored By https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus  Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts