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On May 12, 1989, at 7:36 a.m., a freight train from the Southern Pacific, transporting trona, lost control while descending Cajon Pass, derailed catastrophically on an elevated curve, and plowed into a residential area on Duffy Street, a quiet residential street in San Bernardino, California.The accident was devastating; the lead locomotives and all freight cars were destroyed. The conductor, head-end brakeman, and two residents lost their lives in the incident. In addition, seven houses on the street immediately next to the tracks were demolished by the wreck, as were the lead locomotives and all of the freight cars. Clerks in Mojave had miscalculated the weight of the train, while the engineer and crew were unaware that one of the rear helper engines had inoperative dynamic brakes. Hence, there was not enough dynamic braking force available to maintain control of the train's speed during the descent. This is the story of the San Bernardino train derailment in 1989. Send me a text but know that I can't respond here Support the showYou will find the full transcript behind the show notes: https://interspanish.buzzsprout.comIf you have a story or topic you would like me to cover, please send your suggestions to: InterSpanishPodcast@gmail.com Please visit my socials: Website: https://interspanish.buzzsprout.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuy74tWny908FqEX3VSixHXGbCu1IL3Zq Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/319567492909061 Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Intermediate_Spanish/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/interspanish/

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AM UPDATE: Santa Monica College Shooting full Santa Monica College is closed today due to a shooting, Walgreens is closing stores but first the Cajon Pass is a mess this morning after a police chase and shooting. 1104 Tue, 15 Oct 2024 17:43:15 +0000 8GDGWqiz7dY7fdNIoHiT6jQHEShPunhs am update,news The LA Local am update,news AM UPDATE: Santa Monica College Shooting Your TL;DR for what's happening in SoCal. Get caught up in less than ten minutes every afternoon on The LA Local. From culture to crime to politics to the offbeat, Alex Silverman and the team at KNX News 97.1 FM have you covered. 2024 © 2021 Audacy, Inc. News False https://player.amperwavepodcasting.com?feed-link=htt

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rWotD Episode 2398: San Bernardino Forest Reserve Welcome to random Wiki of the Day where we read the summary of a random Wikipedia page every day.The random article for Monday, 27 November 2023 is San Bernardino Forest Reserve.The San Bernardino Forest Reserve was established by the General Land Office in California on February 25, 1893 with 737,280 acres (2,983.7 km2) in the San Bernardino Mountains. After the transfer of federal forests to the U. S. Forest Service in 1905, it became a National Forest on March 4, 1907. On July 1, 1908 the entire forest was combined with San Gabriel National Forest and Santa Barbara National Forest to create Angeles National Forest, and the name was discontinued. On September 30, 1925 San Bernardino National Forest was re-established from parts of Angeles and Cleveland National Forest. The reserve was the fourth one established in the state and was created on the same day as the Trabuco Canyon Reserve. And, like the other reserves, the San Bernardino Reserve's purpose was the protection of watersheds and water resources. It was bordered by the San Gabriel Reserve on the east at Cajon Pass and extended over all of the San Bernardino Mountains to the Mojave Desert.This recording reflects the Wikipedia text as of 00:00 UTC on Monday, 27 November 2023.For the full current version of the article, see San Bernardino Forest Reserve on Wikipedia.This podcast uses content from Wikipedia under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License.Visit our archives at wikioftheday.com and subscribe to stay updated on new episodes.Follow us on Mastodon at @wikioftheday@masto.ai.Also check out Curmudgeon's Corner, a current events podcast.Until next time, I'm Russell Standard.

On August 19th of last year in Episode 50 of Unstoppable Mindset we all got to hear an Interview with a brand expert, Ben Baker who was introduced to me by a colleague. The circle now continues as this time I get to talk to Catherine Altman Morgan who was suggested as a podcast by, you guessed it, Ben Baker. Catherine is an author; coach and we all get to hear what else. She grew up in New York City. She lived two years in North Carolina and then moved back North to New Jersey. She attended Vassar College and graduated with a B.A. degree in Psychology.   As a young person just out of college she took the suggestion of her father in Chicago and moved there to work at the Chicago Stock Exchange which she did for five years. She then moved back to New York because she realized that as a phone clerk at the stock exchange, and since she wasn't great at math, she wasn't going to make much money. Her next job was as a market analyst at a Technical Analysis software company in New York. She sold and supported trading systems since she knew how to talk to and work with stock traders. She did that for a bit then moved to a company back in Chicago doing the same kind of work. Through work with several firms she continued to do similar work as well as risk and flow analysis.   In 2010 she quit working for other companies and formed her own coaching firm, Point A to Point B Transitions Inc.  During our interview Catherine provides many insights about job searches, how to seek a job in today's technological world and how to interact with prospective employers. Lots of good information to hear whether or not you are looking for a job. Catherine shows us that we can choose to be unstoppable and move forward. Her advice is sound, but even more important, she is not just talk. Her coaching firm has helped many, job seekers or not. I hope you will check it out. Finally, just wait until you hear the news about her newly published book “This Isn't Working”. Not going to give the news away.   About the Guest:     Catherine Altman Morgan is an award-winning career transition expert who has been coaching clients and colleagues through job and life transitions for more than 20 years. Catherine is the author of the recently released book, This Isn't Working! Evolving the Way We Work to Decrease Stress, Anxiety, and Depression. She also speaks on topics related to career transition, workplace mental health, and small business/entrepreneurship.   Catherine graduated from Vassar College with a B.A. in Psychology. Before starting her consulting business in 2010, Point A to Point B Transitions Inc., she was employed by KPMG, Arthur Andersen, and Deloitte. She also has been a contractor for Protiviti, Navigant Consulting, and RGP.   With a background in job search, career transition tactics, and business strategy development, Catherine works with clients who have been laid off, believe their situation is unsustainable, or find that whatever they've been doing isn't working for them anymore.   Catherine's clients have frequently experienced a perfect storm of challenges in their life, including a layoff, health diagnosis, death in the family, divorce, extended time in transition, or financial collapse - often several at the same time. Catherine and her team work with the whole person to get them relaunched.   Links for Catherine:   Facebook business https://www.facebook.com/PointA.PointB Facebook personal https://www.facebook.com/tapcat LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/pointatopointb/ Twitter https://twitter.com/PointA_PointB Website https://www.pointatopointbtransitions.com/     About the Host: Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog.   Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children's Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association's 2012 Hero Dog Awards.   https://michaelhingson.com https://www.facebook.com/michael.hingson.author.speaker/ https://twitter.com/mhingson https://www.youtube.com/user/mhingson https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhingson/   accessiBe Links https://accessibe.com/ https://www.youtube.com/c/accessiBe https://www.linkedin.com/company/accessibe/mycompany/ https://www.facebook.com/accessibe/       Thanks for listening! Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it using the social media buttons on this page. Do you have some feedback or questions about this episode? Leave a comment in the section below!   Subscribe to the podcast If you would like to get automatic updates of new podcast episodes, you can subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts or Stitcher. You can also subscribe in your favorite podcast app.   Leave us an Apple Podcasts review Ratings and reviews from our listeners are extremely valuable to us and greatly appreciated. They help our podcast rank higher on Apple Podcasts, which exposes our show to more awesome listeners like you. If you have a minute, please leave an honest review on Apple Podcasts.     Transcription Notes Michael Hingson  00:00 Access Cast and accessiBe Initiative presents Unstoppable Mindset. The podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Hi, I'm Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i  capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us.   Michael Hingson  01:16 Well, hello, once again, I'm really glad you're here to attend and listen to another episode of unstoppable mindset. Today, we get to interview Catherine Morgan and I met Catherine through another guest that we had on the podcast some time ago, Ben Baker. And Ben said you ought to talk to Catherine and we chatted and it just seemed like it made good sense to bring Catherine on and she's got some new news to share with us in the course of the day. But Catherine is an author. She's a speaker, she does a lot of different kinds of things in terms of coaching and teaching. And we'll get to all that. So Catherine, really, I really appreciate you being here and welcome to unstoppable mindset.   Catherine Morgan  02:06 Thank you so much for having me, Michael.   Michael Hingson  02:10 It's a pleasure to have you here. Well, let's start. Like I always like to. I got it from an Alice in Wonderland TV show once at the beginning. So tell us about you growing up and a little bit just about your life and, and all that and how you got to where you are, or at least got to somewhere?   Catherine Morgan  02:29 Sure. Well, I started my early childhood in New York City. Very, very happy city girl. I was there till I was about 10. And then we had a little detour to Blowing Rock North Carolina, which couldn't have been further from New York City for this girl, who was a little shock to the system. After that, I spent Middle School in high school in the middle of New Jersey near Morris town, which was your very typical suburban existence. We walked everywhere. We rode bikes, the everybody had to come home when the ackermans rang their bell for dinner like we were free range children back then. So it was, you know, sort of the normal American upbringing in the 70s.   Michael Hingson  03:23 Okay, so how long were you in Carolina?   Catherine Morgan  03:28 We were just in Blowing Rock for a year and a half, two years. I don't remember. It's kind of a blur. It was. It was lovely. I mean, this so stunningly beautiful there. But yeah, the school system from going from a private, very, very small private school with 24 kids per grade to four classes per grade of 24 kids. Each was a little bit of an adjustment for me.   Michael Hingson  03:57 You survived though.   Catherine Morgan  03:59 Yeah, I came out and I did. I was a good student. I did well in middle school in high school and I went to Vassar College, which when I was looking at colleges, I applied to a bunch of them but faster was the only school I wanted to go to and conveniently they agreed that they wanted to have me   Michael Hingson  04:19 well that worked out well. So but when you left Blowing Rock Where did you guys go   Catherine Morgan  04:26 to Mendham New Jersey outside of Morris town in the middle of the state.   Michael Hingson  04:31 Right. So what took you to North Carolina in the first place that job for your one of your parents or what?   Catherine Morgan  04:38 Yeah, my my mother remarried and my stepfather was running a factory in just over the Tennessee border making one who's in what was he making, making men's pants   Michael Hingson  04:54 and then why New Jersey?   Catherine Morgan  04:58 Once again, we we follow To my stepfather's jobs he got a job in New York. And that was a very commutable city because of where how the trains worked. So a lot of people commuted into the city for their work,   Michael Hingson  05:14 I must say, from a transportation standpoint, and having lived in New Jersey for six years, taking the trains into the city, most every day, I very much got used to the trains and love the New Jersey Transit and train systems of New York City. My biggest challenges were getting, oftentimes, from the Westfield train station to home, we used what's called paratransit under the ADEA. And it was run by New Jersey Transit, but in separate sort of organization, and they were a times they were a little bit of a challenge. But mostly it worked out pretty well. And I was able to get to and from the train station without too much grief or difficulty. But getting on the trains and going into the city was always a wonderful thing, because you could go without needing to worry about driving or any of those kinds of things. And I know people who took Amtrak, even from Bucks County in Pennsylvania, and they would just be on the train for a couple of hours. And they form groups and they worked on the trains or they just had conversation groups and did other things on the train going to and from the city. So trains are wonderful things.   Catherine Morgan  06:30 I agree. I find them very relaxing my system sort of down levels and gets very relaxed on trains.   Michael Hingson  06:39 So what did you get your degree in from Vassar?   Catherine Morgan  06:43 Psychology?   Michael Hingson  06:44 Right? Okay. Did you go beyond a bachelor's degree?   Catherine Morgan  06:49 No, I didn't, I had always intended to go back and get a masters or something, you know, in my 40s. And that just isn't how my life ended up. So I do something that's sort of related. And certainly my interest is very sight, the psychological side of business, but I did not pursue further education.   Michael Hingson  07:16 So what did you do once you left faster?   Catherine Morgan  07:21 Well, like most people just out of college, if you're not going directly into law school, or med school or something, you have no idea what you're doing. And my father was out here in Chicago, and he was working on the Options Exchange. And he said, Well, why don't you come out here and try that since you don't know what else you want to do. And it was 1984 before the crash of 1987. And those three years, everybody was getting rich, and it was fast moving and fun and young, and just with open outcry was really a great place to work and in your 20s Let's just put it that way. And I had way too much fun that I'm not willing to share about.   Michael Hingson  08:11 And besides that, you went to a place that had great hotdogs and great pizza. Oh, yeah, gotta have your priorities, right?   Catherine Morgan  08:20 Absolutely.   Michael Hingson  08:22 I always love when I go to Chicago going to UNO's among other places and getting their deep dish pizza, my relatives who live there, always insist that we should go to UNO's and I have to agree it's pretty good. It's pretty good. So what did you do in Chicago then?   Catherine Morgan  08:40 So I was a phone clerk on the Options Exchange, which meant I was down there with 1000s of people screaming in the pits, executing orders I was on the side actually taking the orders and making sure that the runners got the orders out to the brokers in the crowd. It was it was it was crazy times back then I can't really describe the noise level and the close proximity because I had about a foot and a half of personal space where I was I had a foot and a half of desk standing right next to somebody else who had the other foot and a half and I had my order pad and my phone and that's it there was me a foot and a half of space ordered pad phone on the phone all day long taking orders recording orders it was it's kind of hard to explain. But it was it was fast paced and and like I said in your 20s Young and fun.   Michael Hingson  09:41 Yeah, it's it's probably fair to say you haven't lived until you've observed a stock trading for close up there. They are crazy places.   Catherine Morgan  09:54 Yes. Back in the day with open outcry the noise level we is just something you can't have Yeah, I guess if your staff, you've been to an arena show and somebody makes a shot and the crowd goes nuts, that was not an unusual noise level on the floor.   Michael Hingson  10:09 Yeah, constantly as opposed to just when somebody makes a shot. And there's just so much going on and so much activity and as you said, you're taking orders. And then people have to run them out to the traders, to the brokers and the people actually on the floor who do the things that they do. And the constant byplay, it's, it's an amazing place to be. It's a pretty incredible and last,   Catherine Morgan  10:34 yeah, it's really fast. So that was made an indelible impression on me.   Michael Hingson  10:41 Also, you didn't dare make a mistake, because one mistake could cost people incredible sums of money. I know I was in the business of selling the products that people used, and attached to their networks to backup data. So we sold the hardware. We were actually at a while we were out at Salomon Brothers at that time, they existed still in New Jersey, and Rutherford, and one of the people was talking to us about backups and the fact that if anything happened, at the trading floor in New York, they actually had two additional backup sites in Florida, somewhat underground, so hurricanes couldn't get to them. But they said, We don't dare even be down for a second, we would lose millions of dollars a second if we weren't able to stay up all the time. So the pressure had to be even for you incredible.   Catherine Morgan  11:41 Yes, it was. And obviously, we're humans and mistakes were made. But they were rectified quickly. And you made as few of them as possible.   Michael Hingson  11:53 Yeah. And the people who could deal with it and fix whatever needed to be fixed, could stay around, and the people who made too many mistakes would be gone. Quickly. But you still have your hearing. So you survived. Did you have any way to protect your hearing? Did you have a headset or anything?   Catherine Morgan  12:12 No, we didn't really think that back then there were some people who are on headsets? I did not. And my my hearing is a little wonky. It might have been the rock concerts, though. I can't necessarily blame the trading floor.   Michael Hingson  12:30 Okay. Well, so how long did you do that?   Catherine Morgan  12:35 Almost five years. Wow,   Michael Hingson  12:36 you did it for quite a while. What caused you to switch?   Catherine Morgan  12:41 Well, oddly enough, I'm not good at math. I have a really good memory. And I'm a really good parent. So I was an excellent phone clerk. But I was never going to make that jump to the next level because I'm terrible with math. So I left that. And I went to work for a technical analysis software firm in New York, selling or supporting trading systems and traders because I understood how to talk to these people. And they, they do need somebody who understands their personality types and their language. So I did quite well with that spent the next phase of my career in market data and trading systems and that sort of thing.   Michael Hingson  13:25 So did you do that from Chicago? Or did you move back to New York?   Catherine Morgan  13:29 I moved to New York, and stayed there for four years, and then came screaming back to Chicago and I left.   Michael Hingson  13:38 All right. So which place has better pizza Chicago or New York?   Catherine Morgan  13:43 They're utterly different. I almost think they should have different names. Yeah. They're utterly different. A New York just flat white pizza, is God's gift to pizza, in my opinion. And then, you know, there's the deep dish or the stuffed or the, I don't know, there's so many different kinds of Yeah.   Michael Hingson  14:04 Yeah. And they are different and it is unfair to compare the two. I agree. So we should just have both of them around. It's okay. So you went screaming back to Chicago, and did what   Catherine Morgan  14:21 I was still in the market data. I went to work for a company selling trading systems and market data. And I was selling down on this the CBOE floor and the Chicago Stock Exchange and the Merc so I was very comfortable going down and talking to traders on trading floors or going into trading rooms, which, you know, as a woman in especially in the ad, well, that was nowhere in the 90s. You know, I was the only woman in the room almost always throughout my career, because it was a back then quite a male dominated industry. Yeah.   Michael Hingson  15:02 So, you How did that work out for you, though? Did were there challenges? So you worked out pretty well. And it worked   Catherine Morgan  15:10 out really well, because I could often get in the appointment. And I, you know, they would try and do the rough and tumble thing with me. And I was just right there with them. So I was not once you worked on a trading floor, nobody can intimidate you. So you would they would, they would come at me. And, you know, because I looked really young and I was young. But they couldn't intimidate me. What kinds of   Michael Hingson  15:37 things that they tried to do.   Catherine Morgan  15:39 Um, I don't know, you know, just the coughing of a very successful trader, there's a little proving and posturing. And, you know, I, I made a million dollars yesterday and type of swagger II things like, you know, good to be you. Like, I hope your wife is happy, did you buy a boat, like I just wasn't faced with that sort of thing?   Michael Hingson  16:07 Yeah, it's all about intimidation. And, and they do have that kind of an ego. As I've mentioned, Salomon Brothers before, of course, the traders were even at Salomon considered the Cowboys. And I don't know whether there were any women or not, but and cow girls of Wall Street. And they did a lot of things that were risky, not in an illegal or wrong sense. But for example, they were one of the first to adopt Sun Microsystems products as workstations. And people really didn't know much about Unix, or whatever. And they're going, these are faster computers. And they, they were the, the innovators. So there's something not to be said, for having that ego, but for having the courage to explore, taking risks, and trying to improve a process, which also meant what they were trying to do is to get an edge up on their competitors from other companies, but they did it for a while.   Catherine Morgan  17:08 Exactly. Sun was the workstation of choice for all the risk management systems, it was the only one that really had the computing power needed for those types of systems that touched every aspect of the organization.   Michael Hingson  17:21 Right, because they were so fast and so versatile. And doing it in Unix gave them an operating system that had a lot of flexibility that that they needed. And I remember after September 11, we were involved with getting Wall Street back up and running. Because quantum made the backup products default standard, the ATL libraries and the super digital Linear Tape products and so on. So we, we saw a lot of things that people did, including IBM and sun cannibalizing employees, workstations, just to get them over two firms on Wall Street, so that within six days, they got Wall Street back up and running completely.   Catherine Morgan  18:06 Oh my gosh, that was a hot mess. We could spend the entire episode on that. But   Michael Hingson  18:11 yeah, yeah, I remember helping Morgan Stanley and they actually found a place over in Jersey City. They said they found a floor of the size of a football field. And they made that their new trading floor and they got workstations and everything. And within 36 hours, they had a complete replica of their original trading floor up and running, because we were able to give them the product so that they could restore all of their files, which is of course, one of the wisdoms of the Security Exchange Commission, you have to keep data for seven years. So all they had to do was to go to their site off site, get their tapes, bring them in and get everything set up. And when in fact they were all ready to go when Wall Street opened on the 17th of September, and all went pretty seamlessly. That's incredible. Yeah, it was an amazing feat to see all of that get done. But it's what they needed to do. And then that's, that's part of their skill sets. So well. So you you worked at all of that for a while and you continue to market and then what did you do? So you're in the 90s and partway through the 90s.   Catherine Morgan  19:25 Then I flipped so I spent about 15 years and in financial services doing what we just talked about. And then I went to work for the professional services firms. The consulting firms servicing the Financial Services vertical. So I worked for KPMG Arthur Andersen, Deloitte and working primarily with financial services but some other industries.   Michael Hingson  19:50 So when you say working with financial services, what does that mean?   Catherine Morgan  19:54 So I would go into one of the major exchanges and help with an opera ational risk assessment I would go to, you know, a large bank and look at the order flow process I would go to we did a bunch of random projects, our group was like a little SWAT team that mostly was focused on the capital markets, because that was our, where our senior manager had connections. So he was, that's where he was selling business.   Michael Hingson  20:27 And so what you were doing was to try to improve processes and make their their systems work more efficiently and more effectively.   Catherine Morgan  20:37 Some of that, and some litigation support work. So, you know, one company was suing their insurance company, or the insurance company was suing their client for whatever, and we would go in and dig through documents, but it was related to trading and to have pricing, you know, how they price the portfolio? So they needed people with expertise in the financial markets. No, I'm not a commodities person that was always on the equity side. But the people I worked with on my team were commodities experts say   Michael Hingson  21:15 it. Again, it's the kind of thing that has to be within the infrastructure of the system to help things work. Yes, but so you did that. And then what?   Catherine Morgan  21:32 Well, and then I decided that it was time to start my own business. And I was working with a coach. And my coach said, you know, that resume interview question coaching job search to help that you do to with friends and family and colleagues, you can get paid for that. And I saw,   Michael Hingson  21:56 what, what a concept,   Catherine Morgan  21:59 it hadn't occurred to me that that was a legit way to make a living and people would actually pay me for that service.   Michael Hingson  22:06 And so when did you start that?   Catherine Morgan  22:10 So in 2010, I left Deloitte in May. And I started point A to point B transitions, Inc, which is my company. And we have been helping professionals and financial services, professional services and technology, find new opportunities, great jobs, they love and not stop gap positions.   Michael Hingson  22:37 So as our technological infrastructure and environment grows, and so on, how is that really changed the whole process of job searches, looking for jobs, applying for jobs, and so on.   Catherine Morgan  22:54 And to some extent, it's everything old is new again, because the technology has made it so easy for people to apply for basically anybody to apply for anything, I jokingly call it spray and pray. But to spray and pray is there which means that employers are receiving, you know, tremendous amounts of applications, and may or may not, depending on the size of the organization, may or may not have the people in house to wade through this. So they may outsource it, which is the long way of saying that spray and pray mostly doesn't work. So it might work. If you're looking for a similar type of job in a similar industry, that's when the online application process is efficient. But you need to reach out to organizations, you need to reach out to people you need to get recommended in, you need to set up your profile. So you look magnetic for the type of role that you want. There's a lot of additional ways that you can source opportunities or be the one that's chosen. Because you have to keep in mind that depending on the size of the organization, someone is targeting, they may or may not have the responsibility of posting it publicly. So they may if they're a small organization who could not deal with the quantity of resumes they've received by posting a job publicly, they may just reach out to their network and say, Hey, we're hiring a sales manager, hey, we're hiring a marketing director, hey, we're hiring an intern and good people, no good people, and they'll they'll fill it that way. So you have to make sure that your top of mind for people so that if opportunities are uncovered, somebody thinks of you and sends it your way.   Michael Hingson  24:56 So in a sense, the process overall really hasn't changed.   Catherine Morgan  25:03 That's where I was going with SES, the technology has helped. And but the people who are going who are looking to make bigger changes, who are not just round peg, round hole candidates need to make the extra effort to reach out and find people touch people follow companies interact with companies cold, do cold outreach, those are the people who get good results.   Michael Hingson  25:31 And the advantage of technology is, it makes it easier to reach out, you don't have to put a stamp on an envelope and send it somewhere. Now you can do an email, but you also have to put the appropriate efforts into it to make sure that what you send will be seen.   Catherine Morgan  25:55 Yes, exactly. You have to make sure that you're relevant to the person that you're reaching out to. So it's not, hey, I have all this experience data. Why should they care? Yes, you're a leader. Like all of us, we're overwhelmed. We have a bunch of people reaching out for things. Why should someone care? Why are you the right candidate? Why are you interested? Why is are you a great fit for this position. So you always have to make sure you're positioning it for why the other person should care, because they're also busy, and they don't know you. So you have to, you have to make it seem like you're worth their time.   Michael Hingson  26:40 Yeah, it's, again, it's no different job interviews are sales presentations, by any standard by any definition. And so you have to learn to be the best at selling yourself. Otherwise, you're going to be left behind. And that's not a bad thing, because it's all about you looking at yourself and realizing what you can do. But it also means you have to research who you're applying to, to make sure that that you are a good fit. And again, that's not different than it used to be. It's just that now, there's so many ways to perhaps make that easier to do if you do it, right.   Catherine Morgan  27:19 Yes, I completely agree with that. But there's a bunch of people who just heard that and when act sales. So let me let me give you a door in so it sounds a little more doable and a little less scary. The way someone who comes to me and says, I don't feel comfortable talking about myself, I'm not positioning myself well. And I'll say, Well, if you don't do it, nobody's going to do it. So it's your job to present yourself as the best candidate, you're giving them the information, they need to see that you are highly qualified, and a strong candidate. If you do not present them with that information, you are doing them and subsequently you a disservice. Yeah. So if I just say you're presenting the information about your skills, why you're excited about the opportunity, why you're going to hit the ground running, why you've done something similar or you can come up to speed quickly. You need to do that so that they have the information they need to make the right decision that you are the right candidate or not.   Michael Hingson  28:39 Right. And I appreciate that. A lot of people Miko IQ sales. The problem is that the sales industry oftentimes hasn't done the right thing to teach people what sales is all about. Because real salespeople, good salespeople, and I come from a sales background. Real people do all the kinds of preparations that you're talking about. But also, the better salespeople know that, ultimately, their teachers and advisors and counselors and they look for what the customer if you will, or in this case, the person looking at job applications need and then have to make the decision about how and if they can make a presentation that will work. And it's also important and I've done it on a number of occasions and selling products, you have to look at will my product work? Will my product do what the customer needs because if it won't, I'll be doing everyone more of a disservice by trying to convince them to buy something that won't work. So again, I take a different view of sales and probably a lot of people do but it still is the real right way to do it.   Catherine Morgan  29:56 I completely agree and an unhappy cause Sturmer is burdensome to the organization and a reputation risk.   Michael Hingson  30:04 Yeah. And and people will hear about it if you do that kind of thing no matter who you are. Because even though there's a lot of technology, and there are a lot of people out there looking for applicants, ultimately, in any given industry, the network is relatively small, and people will hear about it if you don't do it, right.   Catherine Morgan  30:28 That was my experience, the Chicago trading community is very small. Miss rep, presenting our data on AI, you would have big problems.   Michael Hingson  30:40 I know as a person who happens to be blind, the other factor that we oftentimes see is though, the prejudice that exists on the part of people looking for employees or people to fill jobs, oh, you're blind, you can't possibly do that. How are you going to get to work. And today, we still see that kind of thing. But it used to be that it was probably even worse. And I know that oftentimes, I would debate do I say I'm even blind in a cover letter to go with a resume. Because if I didn't say I was blind, I might get a call back, the odds would be about the same as for anyone else. But if I did say it, I could probably be pretty much guaranteed I wouldn't even get a response. And there are so many ways to still do that today. And it still happens to a great degree, because the unemployment rate for persons who are employable with disabilities is still in the 65 to 70% range. So we tend not to really be too excited when we hear an unemployment rate of 3.5%. Because we know how hard it is for us, and how few of us actually get hired to, to do a job. And, and so the prejudices are still there. And so then, for me, what i i Come back to as a default is something I learned in a Dale Carnegie sales course, you have to turn that perceived liability into an asset, which if you do it, right also gains you a lot more attraction and a lot more likelihood of visibility with excuse me with the the potential people who are looking to to fill a position. And so for me, in a sales position, what I would say is, hey, look, I sell 24 hours a day to convince people to let me buy a house or fly on an airplane with my guide dog or even go grocery shopping. So do you want to hire somebody who just comes in for a few hours every day and sells? Or do you want to hire somebody who truly understands sales for the science and art that it is, and who sells 24 hours a day as a way of life? And that that actually got me a job interview and hired. And it because it worked? And it's true. It also separates you from virtually everyone else?   Catherine Morgan  33:11 Yeah, it gets you it makes you memorable, which in some cases is half the battle. How do you distinguish yourself as a piece of paper? Yeah, you know, I've had, I've had a similar situation with some clients who had Ms. And had summers obvious tremors and walked with a cane. So my suggestion to them was to just answer the question upfront, because what the employer really cared about is can you do your job? Is your your physical, you know, I can see the tremors? Is that going to affect your ability to do your work? And to just answer it flat out? Because that's what they're thinking? Like, it's the elephant in the room. Just talk to it?   Michael Hingson  33:58 Absolutely. And, and for me, the prejudice runs very deep, because the presumption is you're blind, you just can't do it. In fact, I went on an interview, and went by bus up to Los Angeles from where I lived at the time, and deliberately went on my own to the interview, because I didn't want someone driving me there. And the first question, even after all, that was, well, how are you going to get to work? So well, and I got that, right. So the answer is, hey, if I need to move closer, that's my responsibility. If you hire me, I need to be able to be here. And I recognize that I will make that happen. And I've proved or should have been able to prove to you today that I can do it. The problem is that the prejudice does run deep and it's a big challenge that we we all do face and even now today as a speaker. A lot of times I've got I've got a story about being in The World Trade Center on September 11, it helps but still, how do I distinguish myself from so many other speakers who are out there that are always looking for probably the same job of why should they hire me? I was very fortunate, about a month ago to read about someone who heard me speak in 2014. At an event in Nevada, the event on safety, preparedness and emergency preparedness and management. And just this January, he wrote an article specifically about that event, talking about how much he remembered and how much he valued. What he heard that day from my presentation. What, what an amazing kind of thing, how often are you going to hear from somebody who heard a speech nine years before and remembers it?   Catherine Morgan  35:54 Oh, my goodness, isn't that a speaker's dream, though, to inspire their audience and to, you know, be memorable and make a change like that? That's amazing.   Michael Hingson  36:06 Absolutely is true. And it was, it was a wonderful article. So I, I now tell people about that when we talk about the possibility of speaking, which is pretty cool.   Catherine Morgan  36:15 Course, it should be part of your packet. Yeah.   Michael Hingson  36:19 So you, you talk about the whole idea today of work and hiring, and, and so on. So the industry in some senses has changed a lot because of technology. But in some senses, the process is still ultimately the same. How do we get people to learn the process when they think that technology is just going to solve all their problems?   Catherine Morgan  36:49 Isn't that the question you should see the look of horror on my on people's faces, when I tell them, they should only be spending 20% of their time doing online applications? Because they think that they can sit behind, you know, in the relative piece of their house behind their laptop and get this job search done. And, and maybe, but it's unlikely. So when I tell them my time allocation on how you should be spending your efforts, the responses is generally Ack.   Michael Hingson  37:23 Yeah. But still, it's what they have to do.   Catherine Morgan  37:29 If they want to good results, if they want to, you know, have the equivalent of scratch off tickets, maybe they get lucky.   Michael Hingson  37:37 Right? Oh, about different age groups are you are you seeing as we have an aging population and more seniors or more people approaching seniors who want to continue to be in the workforce? How is all of this working for them, as opposed to younger people and in the next generation or later? And their more comfortable with technology? But still, how does it work between different generations?   Catherine Morgan  38:07 That is a juicy question. I joke that, you know, old dogs can learn new tricks and new technology, which sort of breaks the ice a little bit. A lot of my people I work with generally 45 to 62. So we are on the more experienced side of the spectrum. And mostly I have not found a technology barrier for them. You know, pretty much everybody says they should be better with Excel. But other than that, they're comfortable with with computers, they're there on them, they they get it. That may not be the perception of younger workers, they may need to go in and prove that or specifically talk to it, because to your point, it is a bias. But it the types of clients who are drawn to my work because of the industries I serve, don't tend to have that issue. But I recommend that people talk to it if they're really good with data analysis or if they know any types of coding or you know, whatever software CRM systems anything that they're mentioned it to just poke poke that balloon right there. Like that's not in the room anymore. I get that it ageism mostly isn't. And a lot of times it's self inflicted, which generally galvanizes a room when I say that.   Michael Hingson  39:43 Tell me more about that though, if you would, please.   Catherine Morgan  39:47 I will. Well, most of the people I work with are white collar professionals, who have a lot of jobs function expertise or industry experience. And I try to tell them that having more experience doesn't make you less valuable. So, is there ageism in the workplace? Some? If you want to get into Google or Facebook or one of the young sexy tech companies, yeah, maybe it's a problem. Other companies? No, it's not. The the real issue when you sort of pull it part is, is it an age issue or a wage issue? Meaning is your 1015 20 years of experience worth 2050 100 grand more to the employer? Now, if a more junior person could adequately perform that job function? It is not. ageism is a money question. And if you were the hiring manager, you would make the same decision. So the trick is to apply for jobs for which your experience is important. Your negotiation skills, your judgment, your years of industry expertise, you're having watched multiple market cycles there apply for the jobs where you're not competing against very junior resources, because that's usually what's going on and everybody's it's ageism, they didn't pick me. It's ageism. No, it wasn't it was a money question. And it's a junior role. Don't call it what it is.   Michael Hingson  41:38 Or you have to work to find a way to Well, one of two things justify a higher salary because of your experience, or recognize that you may not get as much money as you would like. But as you said, that's the the amount of money that the job will pay.   Catherine Morgan  42:02 Yes, and people who switch industries, for example, financial services, and technology tends to be paid better than other industries. So we have a very honest conversation, that should they want to switch industries, they are likely going to have to take a pay cut, once again, not ageism. It's just what the market value in that industry is.   Michael Hingson  42:28 But do you find that there are though age biases in anywhere in the workforce, I'm not going to hire older people, I want younger people who are more energetic, who are going to stay longer, or whatever the case happens to be?   Catherine Morgan  42:44 Sure there are, then you don't work for that company. It's, you know, how the pendulum swings from one side to the other. That was certainly the case, you know, several years ago, but we have an aging population, just the demographics of the population, the younger generations are not going to be able to fill in all the jobs, they're going to need to keep the workers in there longer. And the value that a more experienced worker can bring some times as the ability to participate in multiple job functions, is, you know, add value to this team, this team and this team and be good with it can be a very smart decision for employers. And I think that savvy employers are really starting to get that.   Michael Hingson  43:40 And savvy employees are starting to get that they need to make that point.   Catherine Morgan  43:47 Exactly. I joke because that's who I am, that you need to be applying for positions where the gray hair of experience is valuable.   Michael Hingson  43:58 Right. And that's really, ultimately it. The fact of the matter is that there's a lot of value in experience. But you have to make the case, just like with anything else, like as I talked about the issue of turning perceived liabilities into assets. And when you're dealing like with disabilities, one of the facts that can be very relevant. And again, you have to understand whatever environment you're applying for, but the one of the facts that could be very relevant is I know that the unemployment rate among employable blind people is in the 65 to 70% range. The fact of the matter is, if you are willing to give me a job, and you hire me, I'm going to be much more apt to not want to leave and jump ship like younger people often do because they just think they're getting a better opportunity. I'm going to stay somewhere that well. comes me and demonstrates that they value me for who I am, even though I happen to be someone who is blind, and there are actually a number of studies and a lot of statistics that show that to be true.   Catherine Morgan  45:13 Well, turnover is extremely expensive for companies. So making that point that I will be your dedicated, committed employee, if you are committed and dedicated to me, I think that's a great point to make.   Michael Hingson  45:28 It is, again, one of those things where it takes savviness on both sides. And some employers, as you say, do get it. And I think more and more people will perceive that over time. But I think also, for example, employees with disabilities need to be the ones to make that point. And to create that conversation.   Catherine Morgan  45:53 Yes, you need to have your talking points, practiced. Because, yeah, we were not used to having those conversations. Like I honestly think, Michael, that you are the first blind person that I've that I know, I know, people who have, you know, lost major portions of their eyesight. And I'm actually working with a client who's sort of navigating through that now. But I don't know anybody who was born, born blind.   Michael Hingson  46:23 So for you, well, well, in the the issue is that even if you have some eyesight, if you're low vision, then I use that as opposed to what most people use visually impaired, because I don't regard myself as impaired and I don't want to be equated to eyesight. And visually, I'm not different, because I just happened to be blind. So low vision or blind, it's like deaf or hard of hearing, as opposed to deaf and hearing impaired, Hard of Hearing is a much more appropriate term that's become accepted. And we haven't done that yet, with eyesight, but low vision, people will oftentimes find if they look at it, that if they learn some of the techniques that totally blind people use, and if they accept their low vision, nature, and use that as an advantage, they can be very valuable employees wherever they go.   Catherine Morgan  47:18 I totally agree. And I'm working with a woman in this situation right now. And she's fully functional, nobody would know anything different, as long as she's home with her setup. You know, the right kind of monitors the right kind of kind of things, her anxiety is if she has to go back into an office environment, she's not going to have the equipment that she needs to succeed. And that's, you know, a valid question. But remote working is happening available more and more. And companies, you know, may be willing to make, you know, accommodations, more and more, I keep trying to tell her that it's possibly less of an issue than she thinks, but we'll work on our talking points, and we'll make sure that she's comfortable and presenting herself and I just don't think it's gonna end up being a problem for her.   Michael Hingson  48:08 Well, it doesn't need to be if even if she wants to go or if she's willing to go back into an office environment and needs certain kinds of equipment. The reality is, there are a lot of ways to get that in one state rehabilitation agencies are tasked with making people employable, and can help purchase equipment to, and I think philosophically even more important, whether it always can be used is why should the cost of business be any different conceptually for bringing a person with low vision into the employment environment? Why should that cost of business be any less or any different than what you do for sighted people by giving them computer monitors, computers, coffee machines, electric lights, so they can see how to walk around? The fact of the matter is that you know, in reality, so a person needs a magnifier or closed circuit, television type device.   Catherine Morgan  49:10 It's too new for her. It's still very raw. But should she'll be fine?   Michael Hingson  49:15 Yeah, but all of that is true, but there are places and ways to get the funding. The fact is that under the Americans with Disabilities Act, it is appropriate to explore with companies providing alternatives to what most workers use, and it should be part of the cost of doing business. We never view it that way, though. But that's a growth area for employers to work on to.   Catherine Morgan  49:42 I'm hoping that that's changing. I'm hoping that we're going to augment what is quote unquote normal and you know, with neuro diversity and people with disabilities, you know, I It's my hope.   Michael Hingson  50:01 Yeah, it's, it is a process. And it's new for her because she's not used to operating in a different environment or with different tools and with a different mindset. But that is still now part of her life. And here's the other part. And I don't know anything about what causes her eye condition. But she may lose the rest of that eyesight. And then she's going to have to learn all over again, which is another reason that I talk about the fact that this is the time, people should learn the techniques of what blind people use, because the odds are, if she started to lose eyesight, she's gonna lose the rest of it. And then you go through another psychological crisis again, unless you deal with it sooner rather than later.   Catherine Morgan  50:46 Maybe it maybe at some point, I can ask you to give some of your hard won knowledge to her. She's a very nice woman.   Michael Hingson  50:53 Sure, we can we can talk about that without doing it on the podcast. So nobody else needs to hear. But we could, we could certainly do that. But the reality is that, that eyesight or lack of eyesight isn't the problem. On either side, its attitude. It's philosophy, it's our perceptions, and misconceptions that create most of the problems. I agree, which is always a different issue. So you know, we talk about working and so on. And this reminds me of a situation just recently, I did another podcast interview with someone. And we were talking about work. And specifically, we were talking about work in the United States, as opposed to work in other countries, where in other countries, this person said, it would appear that people aren't so focused on just working, that they, they appreciate relaxation, they appreciate time away from work. And in the United States, it's all about just working and earning money. And that has to be an extremely stressful thing.   Catherine Morgan  52:10 It is an extremely stressful thing. And perhaps you're referring to Europe, when you're talking about well, among   Michael Hingson  52:17 other places. Yeah, it was she happened to be referring to Europe, she actually originally lived in the Soviet Union. And another observation she make made is that when the Soviet Union fell, people were presented with a crisis that now they had to make choices for themselves, whereas within the Soviet Union, they didn't have the opportunity to choose anything for themselves, which created another crisis. But she was observing with Europe and other been a number of other places, but primarily, I think she was referring to Europe.   Catherine Morgan  52:48 Yeah, well, this American hard work ethic, I think, has come back to bite us. Hard work is good. I am pro hard work I. But the badge of busyness or overworking added as a status symbol is a big problem right now, in the United States, as witnessed the rise of just stress, anxiety, depression, autoimmune disease is just, it's not working for us anymore. We need to respect the fact that we are humans, and we need to recharge. We're not just people who work we have a personal lives and family and hobbies and other things that we should do. I just this, we have a big problem here and we need to reorient how we think about the place work has in our lives. One survey I saw said 65% of people felt that the pandemic meaning 2020 and 2021 made them stop and rethink the place that work has in their lives. And going forward. A lot of people are recreating something different. They're willing to work, they want to work, but they also want to see their kids. They also want to spend time with their partner. They also want to be able to cook dinner and workout.   Michael Hingson  54:24 So you think we'll see that pendulum kind of switch a little bit?   Catherine Morgan  54:29 I think we have I think that's a big part of what caused the Great resignation and the great reshuffling in 2022.   Michael Hingson  54:35 How about employers? Are they recognizing the value of doing that? I mean, like as I understand it, in France, for example, in August, people basically are supposed to take the month off and in other countries over there, do these these kinds of things. Are we going to get to the point where we'll more value the idea of as employers having people be able to take more time off, or I think this is something that we're starting to see a little bit, being able to work more remotely, which gives us some of that opportunity.   Catherine Morgan  55:13 Yes, smart remote working as opposed to never fully disconnecting, we need to make a distinction between the two of those, because I'm, I'm all about remote work. But what that can mean is that you feel like you're on 24/7. So if you're replying to emails at 2am, this remote word thing isn't working in your favor. But your point was around taking time off. And I think employers who want people to stay and to not have to replace and retrain workers will need to adopt that to keep their highest performers, because the highest performers can go anywhere. And they're going to stay at organizations that support, you know, a more robust work life balance.   Michael Hingson  56:08 Do you think in our environment, there is room for both sides, employers and employees to recognize that, although one needs to earn a living money, isn't everything and there are other qualities such as working remotely or having more time off? Or having ways for people to relax? Do you think that that there is room for us to recognize that that kind of thing is relevant to and it isn't all just about money?   Catherine Morgan  56:43 Well, how about if I was able to try, unplugging, rejuvenating, resting, recreating to money, meaning if we don't have time and white space, to clear our brain? Great ideas don't come creative innovation doesn't come. Now, what makes companies money these days is innovative ideas. Well, if people are just on the hamster, wheel, Hamster, Hamster, Hamster, treadmill, treadmill, treadmill, they are not getting their best ideas. They're not thinking about different ways to change processes to leverage technology to scale to come up with the next iPhone or whatever. So I think if we can somehow slip the idea into C, C, the C suite, that if you let your employees rest in play, they're going to be more productive and come up with more innovative and creative ideas. Maybe we make it work.   Michael Hingson  57:52 Do you think we're seeing some of that or that we will see some or more of that.   Catherine Morgan  57:58 We're seeing it and lip service for sure. You're starting to see website copy that talks about wanting employees to have work life balance. I have a former client who's working at an at an ad agency, which is that's an industry that's notorious for beating up their people. And she says that her agency is insists that employees keep to a 40 Max 45 hour week. And if they report too much time, they ask the employee what kind of help they need to get the workload back to something manageable that can be completed in a reasonable work, then she almost fell off her chair.   Michael Hingson  58:42 Wow. That's that is pretty unusual. But refreshing, isn't it?   Catherine Morgan  58:47 Oh, that made that lighter future forward. Wouldn't that be great,   Michael Hingson  58:52 wouldn't it though? How about retirement? We've got a lot of places a mandatory retirement age at 65. And I don't know whether it's as mandatory as it used to be but should should everybody, everyone retire? Or how about that to go?   Catherine Morgan  59:14 Well, I think like everything one size doesn't fit all. So the people who are excited about their retirement and are planning to do whatever they're planning to do should go do that. But retirement for a lot of people is not a great idea. Example, somebody whose identity is very much tied to their work and their position or their title or their you know, if you're a doctor, if you're a lawyer, you're known as Dr. So and so you're known as so and so the lawyer. If you no longer have that in your life, you can feel untethered and lose your identity and Don't be bored out of your mind, or sink into clinical depression fairly quickly. So if you love your work, and you are energized by it, and it's a big chunk of your identity, a traditional retirement can, can be adverse for you like, I don't recommend it. But you know, there may be a balance to be struck once again, maybe you don't want to be working full time. My cousin was a doctor, a pediatrician, her whole career. And now she's working two, two and a half days a week. And that's the nice balance that she wanted to strike. But she's got to be in her mid 60s. So you know, that's what she wanted to do. My grandmother sold real estate until she was 87. She said it kept her young and out of doctors offices, all her friends were rich and didn't have to work. And she said, they spent all their time going to doctors. So there's something to be said, you know, if you're that type of person, and you like what you're doing, you might want to keep doing it.   Michael Hingson  1:01:05 Of course, there is the other side of it, which is maybe some people should retire for one reason or another.   Catherine Morgan  1:01:11 Absolutely. Like I am not. I don't think there's one prescription that's going to work for everybody. I have a couple friends who are like I'm never retiring and another couple of friends who are really looking forward to it. And they have, you know, specific plans for travel or grandchildren or mentoring or teaching or, you know, whatever. It's great, but I don't I don't think we can prescribe. Okay, you're 65 your value in the marketplace just ran out? No, you're likely it didn't. Now someone who has a physical job if they're lifting heavy cabinets and stuff, yeah, you might have to adjust and maybe be the project manager or the foreman or something. Those aren't generally people I work with. But you know, if there's physical constraints, that's a little different conversation, but as a sprain renters, I have had a lot of people who stayed at their company for 20 years, were eligible for their pension rolled out and call me six weeks later saying, Oh, my God, I'm so bored helped me get a job.   Michael Hingson  1:02:17 I have a nephew who worked for Kaiser Permanente for oh my gosh, oh, well, more than 30 years and retired in 2021, or 2020. stayed away for most of the year and decided that he was bored and went back to work. We didn't think it would last and it didn't he really he just retired again at the end of 2022. But he his situation is that he had to drive like 4550 miles to work every day, up over Cajon Pass and come down and the driving is horrible. And now especially after a pandemic, it's even worse, because he'll take two hours sometimes to get to work each day. So he's decided that now it's pretty good. And he went back to work because they asked him to come back. And they'd like him to come back again. And he said Not unless I can do it here. Yeah, well, not only remote, but there is a facility. There isn't a Kaiser hospital and he was administrator of portable hospital. But he could do most all of his work from the the Kaiser clinic here in Victorville. Or he could do it remotely. You're right.   Catherine Morgan  1:03:32 Okay, so that's just, let's be smart about this. Would you rather have somebody who's really good at their job that you trust? Who can you know, do it? I don't know, companies are going to have to get a little smarter about who really needs to be in the office who wants to be in the office, because some people are natural extroverts, and they're dying to go back to work. And then there's, there's some people like me, who are super happy to be working remotely, and always have been.   Michael Hingson  1:04:03 I'm used to remote to a large degree. So it doesn't, it doesn't bother me and getting to do the podcast is great to be able to do remotely. So I'm, I'm comfy with that. Well, we have to talk about the fact that you have a book and it is now out. And tell us about that, please.   Catherine Morgan  1:04:21 Well, my book is called this isn't working, evolving the way we work to decrease stress, anxiety and depression. So the question is, how do you make a book that has the words stress, anxiety and depression and the subtitle not make people run for the door going ACC? So how do you make where's the door and how do you make it, you know, friendly, helpful, engaging, and I got very lucky because my designer did a tremendous job. And it's, it's funny, people look at the title and just burst out like Laughing. So that was that's one way in. The other way in is my signature, empathy, snark and storytelling, which is what people people say that the book is just like having a conversation with me. So if you liked this conversation, you'll probably like the jokes.   Michael Hingson  1:05:20 Nothing wrong with snark. Little snark doesn't doesn't hurt a bit? Well, you got some news about your book today.   Catherine Morgan  1:05:31 I did it. My little book was released. It's a small book with a big mission is my my goal for this book. And it is the number one new release on Amazon in the work related health category. So I'm very pleased to share that.   Michael Hingson  1:05:51 Well, congratulations. That is definitely exciting. And if people want to reach out to you, or get your book or just talk to you and learn more about what you do, and maybe seek assistance, or whatever, how do they do that? The best   Catherine Morgan  1:06:09 way to find me and interact with me is on LinkedIn. So I've actively posting there and reach out connect, follow me. And I'd love to talk about what's going on with your work situation and how we can make it better because with the great resignation, quiet quitting, the great reshuffling and the tech layoffs of 2023, clearly what we're doing is not working. And we have some ways to go to improve this,   Michael Hingson  1:06:38 you could write a book and that'll help to Hmm. Do you have a website that people can go to?   Catherine Morgan  1:06:46 Sure, it's a little long though. PointAtoPointBTransitions.com.   Michael Hingson  1:06:48 Point A to Point B, the number two or to   Catherine Morgan  1:06:56 point point A to point B   Michael Hingson  1:06:59 transitions.com.com. That's easy to remember.   Catherine Morgan  1:07:05 It is I tried it out in grocery lines and stuff before I registered for the URL. It's long, but people are like, Oh, point A to point B, people always talk about getting from point A to point B and   Michael Hingson  1:07:15 it's to transition   Catherine Morgan  1:07:18 transitions, and they're like, Okay, so it's long to type it out because I'm dyslexic. But everybody remembers said,   Michael Hingson  1:07:26 yeah, it's easy to remember. And of course.com. We do have some clue about that. So that works out well. Yeah. Well, I want to thank you for being here and talking with us. And hopefully giving people some great ideas. If you're looking for jobs or looking to hire or just giving you something to think about. We're really grateful that you were listening to us today. I'd love to hear your thoughts about what we talked about and get your opinion. So please feel free to email me email addresses real easy. It's Michaelhi at accessibe A C C E S S I B E.com. And for those who don't know, accessibe is a company in Israel that makes products to help make websites much more inclusive for persons with disability. So Catherine, we'll have to check out your website, see how accessible it is?   Catherine Morgan  1:08:23 You're gonna tell me it needs to rework I'm guessing, but I'd love to hear about it.   Michael Hingson  1:08:28 Well, we could talk about that it's really not expensive with accessibe to do anyway. But you can also reach out to me through our podcast page, which is www dot Michael hingson.com/podcast. And hingson is spelled H i n g s o n, we would really appreciate and I know Catherine would appreciate you giving us a five star rating and talking about this and talking about her book. So I hope that you will all go out and buy it and read it and that it will inspire you. But again, Catherine, I really appreciate you being here today and hope that you will come back and tell us more as time goes on because I'm sure that the world is going to change and we need to continue to hear from you about new trends and new ideas and this whole process.   Catherine Morgan  1:09:15 Thank you so much, Michael. It's been a joy talking to you today.   Michael Hingson  1:09:24 You have been listening to the Unstoppable Mindset podcast. Thanks for dropping by. I hope that you'll join us again next week, and in future weeks for upcoming episodes. To subscribe to our podcast and to learn about upcoming episodes, please visit www dot Michael hingson.com slash podcast. Michael Hingson is spelled m i c h a e l h i n g s o n. While you're on the site., please use the form there to recommend people who we ought to interview in upcoming editions of the show. And also, we ask you and urge

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So what is a “polymath”? Come on in and listen to this week's episode to find out from our guest, Pat Daily. After hearing my conversation with Pat, not only will you know the definition of the word, but you will see why Pat fits the Polymath mold.   In his life, Pat has served as a pilot in the military, a pilot for a commercial airline, a successful employee at Honeywell, participated in starting a company and he is now even a successful science fiction author.   I very much enjoyed reminiscing with Pat about some of my and his early days around aircraft as we both have similar experiences in a lot of ways.   By any standard you can invoke, Pat is not only inspirational, but he also is easy to talk with and he is easy on the ears as well. I hope you like this episode and that you will please reach out and tell me what you think. As always, please feel free to email me at michaelhi@accessibe.com. Also, I hope you will give this episode a 5 rating after hearing it. Thanks for listening.   About the Guest:   Pat Daily is a polymath, serial entrepreneur, gamer, and the author of SPARK, a near future science fiction novel. Pat began his professional career as an engineer and Air Force test pilot. After leaving the military, Pat worked at NASA's Johnson Space Center on both the Space Shuttle and International Space Station programs before launching his first company. He has worked globally as a human performance and safety consultant.     When not writing or trying to bring new airplane designs to life, Pat can be found gaming. He is a fan of role-playing games – particularly open worlds with engaging storylines where actions have consequences. 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He is an Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association's 2012 Hero Dog Awards.   https://michaelhingson.com https://www.facebook.com/michael.hingson.author.speaker/ https://twitter.com/mhingson https://www.youtube.com/user/mhingson https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhingson/   accessiBe Links https://accessibe.com/ https://www.youtube.com/c/accessiBe https://www.linkedin.com/company/accessibe/mycompany/ https://www.facebook.com/accessibe/       Thanks for listening! Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it using the social media buttons on this page. Do you have some feedback or questions about this episode? Leave a comment in the section below!   Subscribe to the podcast If you would like to get automatic updates of new podcast episodes, you can subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts or Stitcher. You can also subscribe in your favorite podcast app.   Leave us an Apple Podcasts review Ratings and reviews from our listeners are extremely valuable to us and greatly appreciated. They help our podcast rank higher on Apple Podcasts, which exposes our show to more awesome listeners like you. If you have a minute, please leave an honest review on Apple Podcasts.     Transcription Notes* Michael Hingson  00:00 Access Cast and accessiBe Initiative presents Unstoppable Mindset. The podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Hi, I'm Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i  capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us.   Michael Hingson  01:20 Hi, wherever you happen to be, and welcome to another edition of unstoppable mindset. Today, we get to chat with Pat Daily, who describes himself as a polymath. He is also an author, and entrepreneur. And specifically, he's the author of a book called spark. And we're gonna get into that, but I'm gonna start with tell me what is a polymath? Because some people won't quite probably know that.   Pat Daily  01:47 That's a good question, Mike. And I appreciate the opportunity to be here and talk about that. The I fell in love with this word when I discovered it just a couple of years ago. And really all it is is somebody that's polymath is someone who's had professional success in different lines. So not all sales, not all leadership, not all engineering. Cool.   Michael Hingson  02:15 So where have you had success? Well, I've   Pat Daily  02:18 been an Air Force Test Pilot. I've been an engineer at NASA. I've started my own business. I've been a safety consultant. I've been   Michael Hingson  02:30 now an author. There you go. Well, tell us a little bit about you maybe growing up just to learn about you and your background and stuff. And we'll go from there.   Pat Daily  02:38 Sure, sure. I grew up in Seattle, Washington up in the rainy northwest corner of the country. From there, I graduate from high school, went into the Air Force Academy, graduated from there and started pilot training in the Air Force flew was a pilot in the Air Force for about 13 years and then decided that my, my life lay in commercial aviation. And so I went to went to work for American Airlines. And they agreed with me up until about the one year point, and then they decided that they had too many pilots and furloughed, me. And at that point, I thought, maybe I need to rethink this, this whole pilot as a career thing. So I went off and did some other things.   Michael Hingson  03:29 So you when you went to the Air Force Academy, did you miss Pike's fish market?   Pat Daily  03:38 Yeah, yeah, I actually worked there a little bit when I was in high school at a restaurant whose name I can't even remember right now. But But yeah, that's a place that's got a lot of interesting energy.   Michael Hingson  03:51 It does. I've been there just once. And I know someone who worked there in in one of the places in the market, but it does have a lot of interesting and somewhat unusual energy.   Pat Daily  04:04 That's certainly true. So   Michael Hingson  04:07 you, you worked for American, why did you go off and do after American?   Pat Daily  04:11 Well, after American, I went to work for Honeywell and ended up working for Honeywell, Defense and Space electronic systems. And we did guidance, navigation control stuff for the space station and the space shuttle down at Johnson Space.   Michael Hingson  04:30 So what what did you do there? Can   Pat Daily  04:31 you talk a bunch about it? Oh, yeah. And then there's, we didn't do anything classified there. I mean, the whole human space thing, at least as far as NASA is concerned, is pretty much an open book. The probably my favorite project that I worked on was a thing that was supposed to be a lifeboat for the space station and it was the x 38 project. And it was kind of a lifting body. So it had some have swept back and swept up wings that that became well we ended up calling a rudder Vader because it was a combination of an elevator and rudder, although it was way more rudder than it was elevator. And, and it was a lot of fun. Got to actually watch it do a few drop tests from NASA aircraft. And then of course, somewhere along the way, it was decided that we were going to use Sputnik capsules and Soyuz capsules to to get us back from orbit so we no longer pursue that project. So it was a sad day when they shut that down but still a lot of fun to work on.   Michael Hingson  05:43 I grew up and near Edwards Air Force Base. So my father worked out there as the supervisor, the head of the precision measurements equipment lab, so he was in charge of calibrating all test equipment and things like that. So worked with Joe Walker, of course, who was famous with the x 15. Going back a long way from the x 38. And, and was there actually at the time of the m two lifting body which was kind of probably the precursor of all of that   Pat Daily  06:10 down. Were bounced because I spent a bunch of years at Edwards. Whereabouts Did you live?   Michael Hingson  06:15 We lived in Palmdale. Okay, and one of my favorite memories, boy I don't know about today, but was when my dad would come home from work and tell us that he left our street, which was Stan rich Avenue in Palmdale, California, and drove all the way to Edwards without stopping once, which was, which was definitely amazing back in those days, just in terms of no traffic, no cars to interfere. And he oftentimes did it both ways. And in the evening, when he was coming home, I would talk with him, we both got our ham radio licenses. When I was 14, he waited for me because he could have gotten at any time. And we would chat as he was coming home from work and had a lot of fun just talking up on the two meter band a lot. And he would just keep going and going and never stop until we got to our street and there was stop signs. So we had to stop.   Pat Daily  07:09 That is really neat. That was a great memory to have your dad.   Michael Hingson  07:13 It was and you know, there were a lot of things that happen that he couldn't talk about a couple times we went out and visited him. And we would go to his lab and he said, Well, I can't let you in quite yet. We have to hide things that you can't see. Well, that really didn't matter to me a whole lot. But I guess my mom and my brother were there. So they had to do that. But it was it was fascinating going there. And he introduced me to Joe Walker. He knew Neil Armstrong, but I never got to meet Neil. But did spend some time with Joe Walker, which was a lot of fun. Of course. Yeah. He was one of the first real astronauts taking the x 15, up above 50 miles. What an airplane that was oh, and we actually would occasionally sit on our roof at home. And watch as the B 52. Took it up and dropped it. And they they didn't have anything on the radio that we could listen to. But he would he told us where to look. And so we actually looked and and watched it drop and then fly and do the things that it did. It was pretty fascinating.   Pat Daily  08:17 Could you hear the sonic booms? down upon do?   Michael Hingson  08:19 That is a really good question that I'm glad you asked when we first moved to Palmdale in 1955. We heard sonic booms all the time. Never thought about it didn't bother us that they were there. And I remember once we knew that we're going to be playing war games between us and a couple of the other bases in Southern California. And the way you scored, especially when they did it at night was to see how close you could get to the other bases General's house without being detected. And break a sonic boom. So I gather we at Edwards were pretty successful at getting getting close to the generals house. But yeah, we heard a lot of sonic booms. And then one day, they just weren't there anymore.   Pat Daily  09:06 Yeah, I wasn't there during that. That era. But but when I was we had a we had a corridor, we actually had a low altitude and a high altitude supersonic corridor. And that's where if we were going to intentionally go supersonic, that's where they wanted us to be. And that ran mostly east west. Yeah. So so that Sonic Boom would have had to propagate quite a ways for folks down in Palmdale to hear it. But yeah, don't ever do. We heard them all the time.   Michael Hingson  09:39 Well, yeah. And I would I would expect that. And the reason that they disappeared from us was because I guess too many people started complaining but you know, GE, it never bothered me. I guess, however, that they decided that they could be somewhat destructive, especially if they were close enough or loud enough to buildings and so on. So they had to do it. And then I didn't hear any until actually, we were down near Cape Kennedy once when the shuttle was coming back in for a landing, and we got to hear the sonic booms, which was fun to hear.   Pat Daily  10:15 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I've   Michael Hingson  10:16 heard them loud enough to be startling. But the ones like the shuttle threw off. It was always like, Ah, good. They're home. Boom, boom, the double sonic boom, yeah, which was great. We were at a number of Armed Forces Day, events doubted it out at Edwards. And it was really fun when the Thunderbirds were there. Other people were flying the jets, and they would come almost right down on the deck, past us. And we were we were all together. So my dad said, well, here they are. And I said, I don't hear anything all of a sudden boom, and you hear the whole sound, because they had already gotten faster than the speed of sound. So the plane was there about two seconds before the sound of the engine, which was kind of fascinating. Yep. But we, we enjoyed it. And it was part of growing up. Never thought about it. And then all of a sudden, one day, I haven't heard sonic booms in quite a while. And it was I know, because people were complaining about the noise. Oh, what a world war two world. You know, the sonic booms were there before they were but nevertheless, as I said, probably there were some complaints about the noise. And I've read in recent articles that they they did decide that some of the the sonic booms could be destructive to structure. So   Pat Daily  11:35 I know they've they've broken windows before. And I know that sometimes livestock react poorly. And now NASA and industry are working on a thing called Quiet spike, which was programmed to reduce the the intensity of the sonic boom, so that an airliner for example, that would be traveling supersonic. To hear them Passover would be no more loud than the sound of a car door closing.   Michael Hingson  12:05 Right? There was I think something on 60 minutes about that either earlier this year, or late last year, which is where I first heard about it. So far. I guess it's still somewhat theory, because they haven't built the airliner yet that they believe will be able to have that low level of noise. But it'll be pretty fascinating if they can make that happen.   Pat Daily  12:26 It will be because it it seems like we've been stuck, essentially traveling around the world at about point eight Mach. Yeah, for for 50 years, and forever, longer now forever.   Michael Hingson  12:38 And it will be I think it will be great if we can really do that. And also have it on an aircraft that's small enough that we could even do supersonic inside the United States that will speed up a lot of air travel.   Pat Daily  12:52 It will. It will no it'd be wonderful.   Michael Hingson  12:54 But if I recall, right, they said they were going to have the first generation of that aircraft sometime later this year. Do you know anything about that? I know they've got the   Pat Daily  13:03 flying testbeds already. In fact, one of them is flying out of Palmdale.   Michael Hingson  13:08 Oh, okay. Well, we are now living in Victorville, so maybe we'll hear it on Victorville.   Pat Daily  13:15 I used to live in Victorville when I was able to George Air Force Base.   Michael Hingson  13:19 There you go well, and when I was growing up, compared to Palmdale Victorville was hardly a blip on the radar scope. And now, we have over 120,000 people in Victorville. And in the whole Victor Valley area here we have over 600,000 People go the heck and figure it out.   Pat Daily  13:37 I had no idea that it had grown that much.   Michael Hingson  13:39 And continues to we just learned that there is a new housing development, about two miles from here that will have 15,000 new homes, low cost housing, but still 15,000 new homes. Oh, my gosh, I know, go figure. Now. It'll be interesting to see how more how many more come along, but they're building a lot of stuff up here. And at the same time we see open stores that is vacant stores that don't understand why they're doing the building that they're doing when they got all this vacancy. And where are those people going to work? Are they are they commuting down into the LA basin? I work? Yes, that's I guess that's what's happening. And there is of course, a lot of that but I hope that they come up with something other than just going down I 15 Because already the traffic on Interstate 15 going from Victorville down through Cajon Pass and down the other side is horrible. Almost 24 hours a day. I've gone to Ontario airport early in the morning like at four and still take an hour and 20 or minutes or an hour and a half or longer to get to Ontario.   Pat Daily  14:52 And Ontario has got to be getting busier and busier too because I remember that that was when I first moved out to that area. It was the like the secret gym that the airport nobody knew about and had very little traffic and and you didn't have any jet bridges you just walked walked out to the aircraft and up the stairs. But still it was so much easier to navigate than lax,   Michael Hingson  15:18 sort of like Burbank airport. I don't think that they've gotten totally into jet bridges. At least the last time I flew into Burbank they hadn't. And the value of that is that they have people exit the aircraft from both the front and the back. So it hardly takes any time at all to evacuate an airport. Not evacuate, but get people off a plane when they land. Yeah. Which is kind of cool. Much faster. So as a test pilot, what kinds of of aircraft Did you test? What was kind of maybe the most unusual one? No flying saucers, I assume are   Pat Daily  15:52 flying saucers. Got to fly a bunch of different things. Most of my test time was in variants of the F 16. But probably the most unusual aircraft that I got to fly was the Goodyear blimp. There you go. Yeah. And I mean, did going through a test pilot school. And it felt an awful lot like climbing into someone's minivan because the gondola was that spacious that that roomy had plenty elbow room, plenty of people could sit around. It certainly wasn't, was a passenger compartment back in the days of the Hindenburg or anything, but it was, it was still pretty roomy for a modern aircraft cockpit. And we we went in and got to fly out over Long Beach and that whole area and I was the only airplane I've ever flown that only had one wheel. And I know because they tie the nose of the blimp to a big mast. And it just has one large wheel that casters around and as the wind blows it, it can weathervane into the wind and just pivot around on that little wheel.   Michael Hingson  17:09 Did you ever have any involvement with the flying wing? No, no at the time was probably before, well,   Pat Daily  17:17 well before but then the b two is a streamline wind design. And other than watching it, you know seeing it fly around. I never had any any interplay with it or never got to fly it. I do remember having to go out to their facility for something, a meeting or a test mission. And if you weren't cleared into the program, they had to turn on a beeper and a flashing light to let everybody know that that uncleared scum were entering the area and hide all the secret stuff,   Michael Hingson  17:54 tell people what the flying wing is a   Pat Daily  17:56 flying wing is if you can imagine, and airliner with its left and a right wing. And now take away the fuselage where all the people sit and where most of the gas is and the luggage, and then just join those two halves of the wing together. Now you're gonna have to beef it up a little bit, scale everything up. But it turns out that the flying wing design can be incredibly efficient. But it also comes with some pretty scary instabilities that you have to have to be ready to deal with. And so the earlier version, I think the XB 49 was the original flying wing. And it had small rudders to to help it maintain its directional stability. But the b two comes out at completely differently by using kind of differential speed brakes and spoilers. And, you know, that gave us differential thrust, I guess, but it's, it's a much more efficient and much more UFO like looking aircraft than we're used to seeing.   Michael Hingson  19:11 Yeah, well, it will. It will be interesting to see, well, I don't know whether they'll ever use that and probably not for an airliner or anything like that, because there's just not room for much in the way of passengers is there?   Pat Daily  19:23 No, although I've seen the whole design Yeah, and the whole design every once in a while when you see something in Popular Mechanics or something like that, where it's a hugely scaled up flying wing design. And of course, the downside of that maybe it's an upside is that everybody is now stuffed in the middle and and very few people get window seats, but the the times I've found recently hardly anybody is looking out the window anyway. And they tend to close the window shades and just get on their electronic entertainment devices   Michael Hingson  20:00 he up and it has its pluses and minuses to do that. But you know, I put on my earphones but I do try to listen to what's going on around me and try to stay aware. But you have people do that. And, of course, lights are brighter or when you're 30,000 feet or more. You're you're dealing with a lot of things. And as you said, people just want to get on their entertainment devices and escape. And so so that happens and then there you go. I'm still waiting for flying saucers and jetpacks, I'm ready for my jetpack. Yeah, that would be fun. I'm not sure how well I do with a jet pack. We need to get more information that comes in an auditory way rather than visually, but we can get there. Down. Yeah. Or tactically? Well ordered and tactically tactically. Yeah. Which would be both. There's an experiment that the National Federation of the Blind did actually now it's it started. Well, it started in 2001. Soon after September 11, I was at an event in Baltimore when a new building for the National Federation of blind was started called the Jernigan Institute. But one of the things that the President of the National Federation of the Blind back then did was to challenge private industry and the school systems, the college technical college systems to build a car that a blind person could drive. And in 2011, what they created was between Virginia Tech and some companies that worked with Virginia Tech came up with this device, they actually modified a Ford Escape. And what they did is they put a number of different kinds of radar and sonar devices on it. Other technologies that they felt would ultimately not even cost very much. But then the driver sat in the car and had some very long gloves on that would go up their arms, that had haptic or tactile devices that would vibrate, there was also a pad that he sat back against. And there were also something similar to the gloves that would would go around their legs so that there are a number of different kinds of vibrating things that were available to them. And a person was able to drive a car successfully. In fact, there's a demonstration of it's still on the National Federation of the Blind website or a subdomain. It's called www dot blind driver challenge.org. And what you see if you go to that website is a video where the now president of the National Federation of the Blind Mark Riccobono, gets in this device and drives around the Daytona Speedway right before the January 2011 Rolex 24 race, going through obstacle courses, driving past grandstands, and people cheering and all that driving behind a van that is throwing up boxes that he has to avoid, and then passing the van and eventually getting back to homebase. But no one's giving him directions. It's all from the information that the car is transmitting to him. And the reality is that, that it is doable. And he was driving at something like 30 miles an hour, so he wasn't going slow, and had no problem doing any of that. So the reality is, I think it's possible to develop the technology that would make it possible for a blind person to have a safe and good driving experience. And especially as we get into the era of autonomous vehicles, where things are not necessarily totally as failsafe oriented as we would like. And as perfect as we would like, I see legislatures already saying, well, even if you're going to have an autonomous vehicle, someone has to be in the driver's seat who can drive the car, and there should be no reason why that can't be a blind person as well.   Pat Daily  23:51 No, absolutely not. I mean, it's, it's all just a matter of data and input channel, right? I mean, right, whether it comes tactically or haptically, or auditorily, or we could have olfactory cues, maybe, but that that starts sounding a little messier,   Michael Hingson  24:09 probably a lot less efficient to do that. But but the fact is that Mark did this. And I think that car has been driven a number of times, I think he drove it around the streets of Baltimore as well. But the fact is that, that it is possible, which is another way of saying that eyesight isn't the only way to do stuff. But unfortunately, it is the main way that most people use and I understand that but the fact is not using some of your other senses, I think limits drivers a lot. I'm still surprised that for example, with Apple who has constructed all of its technologies to be accessible. So VoiceOver is built into every device that it releases. I'm surprised I haven't done more to make voiceover involved with interactions in automobiles. And there's an android version of, of all of that called TalkBack. But I'm surprised that with cell phones in cars, that they don't use more auditory output. And then like, you've got the Tesla where everything is driven by a touchscreen, which means no matter what you do you still have to look at the touchscreen. Why aren't they doing more with audio?   Pat Daily  25:20 Yeah, that's, that's a great question. And it, I think it gets to something I've heard you say on some of your interviews about sighted people have a disability in that we are light dependent, and you take away the light from us and and the world by and large becomes a navigable right to most of us. And that's just because we haven't tuned our other senses in the way that   Michael Hingson  25:49 you have. And there's no reason that we can't make it possible for people to use more of their senses. But the the automotive industry doesn't tend to do that. I think there's probably although it's still more emergency oriented. In aircraft, there's a lot of information that comes out auditorily, but probably a lot more could as well.   Pat Daily  26:12 Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And so much in aviation now is, is really autonomous, that the biggest problem that aircraft like the the Boeing purple seven have is, how do we make sure that on a 16 hour flight, the crews are still awake? Yeah. And so they they build checklists to require them every so often to actually physically do something that the aircraft is perfectly capable of doing on its own. But we we want, it seems to still have that that pilot in the loop that pilot and control, do we get alarms or something that makes the pilot pay attention then to do whatever it is they need to do? Yeah, yep, get chart chimes, you get verbal cues, where the aircraft is actually talking to you.   Michael Hingson  27:05 Yeah, it makes perfect sense to to do that. And I've seen times where aircraft have flown, although pilots are still there, completely autonomously landed themselves gone right up to the, to the hangar or to the place where they let off passengers and so on. And all of that technology is accurate enough to do that today. Absolutely. There are several of us that are talking about the concept of trying to use some of the same technology I described with the the car that a blind person could drive to create, or build it into an airplane and have a blind person, fly the plane. And there's one person actually who wants to see this happen, and then be the first person to fly the same route Lindbergh did across the Atlantic, but be a totally blind person doing the flight.   Pat Daily  27:56 Well, that would be one heck of the demonstration of concept. But I'm with you. I don't think there's any reason they couldn't do that. There shouldn't be   Michael Hingson  28:07 any reason why we do have the technology today. It's the usual thing of a matter of finding a matter of will on the part of enough people to to make that happen. But I see no reason why with the technology we have today. We can't do that. Yeah, I think it all comes down to what you said. It's   Pat Daily  28:26 desire and funding. Sounds like a lot of fun down.   Michael Hingson  28:29 We'll see it be a fun project. Well, maybe you can help us. But oh, I have to ask this. In all your flying. Of course, you I'm sure you have flown in like the plane that everybody calls the vomit comment and had your experiences of weightlessness. Absolutely. And but you haven't gone yet fully into space?   Pat Daily  28:52 I have not. That's that's been one of my major disappointments. I always wanted to be an astronaut. And got a shot, got interviewed got to go down to NASA and then try to plead my case. And, and unfortunately, I was not selected, had a lot of friends that were selected, but I was not among them. You know,   Michael Hingson  29:16 Scott Parazynski? I do, we interviewed Scott, not too long ago. So he was talking to us about a number of the space station events and thought things that he has done. He wrote his book with the help of the same person who assisted me with underdogs. Susie Florrie. So that's how we got very good, which is which is kind of fun. So you went off and did Honeywell and and all that and got to work. I've never been to the Johnson Space Center. I'd love to do that sometime. I think it'd be a lot of fun. I have spent some time at NASA Goddard. And of course a little bit at the Kennedy Space Center but nothing really too involved in some didn't really get a chance to look at much of it but it'd be fun to go to the Johnson Space Center sometimes. So we'll have to come down and visit you and go there.   Pat Daily  30:05 Yeah, come on down, we'll take you.   Michael Hingson  30:07 But what did you do after Honeywell and all of that? After Honeywell, I,   Pat Daily  30:12 I launched a consulting company where we did safety consulting, and training and professionalism, professional development. And I really loved them, I really enjoyed the work. But after about 15 years doing that I was kind of done. So I left that behind, sold my share of the company to my partners, and wish them all well and, and move back into the flight test world. And so what did you go off and do? I went up to Moses, Lake Washington to work for Mitsubishi Aircraft Corporation. And at the time, we were trying to build and certify a thing called the originally was called the MRJ, for Mitsubishi regional jet. And then they rebranded it, and called it the space jet, which, which, I don't know, I probably would have picked a different name, but hey, I'm not in marketing. And the thought behind the name was that they had reconceived reconceptualized, the way an airliner is built, traditionally, all the all the luggage, and everything goes in the belly. And that moves the floor of the aircraft up into the aluminum tube. And so you start losing head room and overhead, luggage space. And Mitsubishi had the idea, well, what if we just put all the luggage in the back, and then we have more room in the tube, and even fairly tall guys could stand upright in the in the aisle without having to duck. And that gave us the opportunity to build to build bigger luggage, overhead luggage compartments, and things like that. Unfortunately, that, you know, we, we got to flight test we built maybe seven of them that actually flew me see for here too, there are six that actually flew and then some that were just being used for structure testing. And then and then COVID happened and Mitsubishi decided that the program was far enough behind schedule and far enough over budget, that they needed to really rethink it. And so they they put it on what they call an extended pause. So extended that personally, I don't think it's ever coming back coming   Michael Hingson  32:39 back. It's yeah, permanently pause. So that kind of didn't help your job any?   Pat Daily  32:44 No, no, I got I got laid off from there. And thought that well, you know, I'm not I'm not working when I want to try writing. And so I'd already been playing around with the whole writing thing when COVID hit, and then just took it to the next level and got really serious about it finished the novel. And then, you know, long Behold, found somebody that actually wanted to publish it. You know, Michael, I don't know if you have this problem. But But I have a bit of an ego problem. I think that what I do is pretty doggone good. And so I wrote this book and draft one I thought, okay, it's no, it's no Of Mice and Men. It's it's not great literature, but it's a good book. And so I started sending it out. And and then I joined some writing groups, and the writing groups. It turns out, it's a little harder to get honest feedback than one would hope. Because everybody's worried that they're going to hurt your feelings and offend you. Yeah. And when they tell you you've got an ugly baby. But I had, I had a hideous baby. And it wasn't until well, she's become a friend of mine, another author, Alex Perry, who wrote a wonderful children's book, not children mid grade book, called pig hearted that she finally told me she said, Pat, it's boring. She said, your writing all makes sense. You can put a sentence together but it's like watching somebody else. watch somebody else play. A video came. And, and it hurt. But but it was exactly what I needed to hear. Yeah. And so I joined another writing group. And then I guess after about four or five revisions and 22 queries later, that Inklings publishing, said, Hey, you know, we think you got something here. So, you know, why don't we pair you up with a developmental editor and we'll see you We can do and they paired me up with a wonderful woman named Steph Mathias son. And she shepherded me through three more revisions of the book. And every time it got better, and largely because of the people that were willing to give me that honest feedback people like stuff, so that it you know, it got published and and now I've submitted book to to Inklings, and that should be coming out in December. And I've started on Book Three. So it's been, it's been a lot   Michael Hingson  35:34 of fun. And sequel is booked to a sequel, Book Two as a sequel. Yeah, great. Well, you know, there's nothing like a good editor, they're, they're worth their weight in gold and more. They're editing, right. And I learned that, not the hard way. But I learned it in a great way when we were doing fender dawg, because Thomas Nelson paired us with an editor who said, My job isn't to rewrite this in my own style. And to tell you how to write my job is to help you make this something that people will want to read, and to fine tune what you do. And and he did. We had, for example, I don't know whether you read thunder dog, but one of the parts about thunder dog is that it starts every chapter with something that was occurring on that day in the World Trade Center for me are around it. Then we went back to things I learned in my life. And then we came back and ended each chapter kind of continuing on in the World Trade Center. And what what our editor said was that your transitions lose me there, you're not doing great transitions from one scene to the other. And you got to fix that. And that was all he said. So I volunteered to do the transition examinations and try to deal with that, because it just clicked when he said that. I know exactly what he's saying. And I never thought about it. And and Susie says the same thing, you know, we hadn't really thought that they were as much of a problem as they are. But now that you mentioned it. So literally over a weekend, I've just went through and created transitions for every chapter. And I think that's one of the strong points of the book. And others have have said the same thing that the transitions absolutely take you where you want the reader to go. And it all came about because of the editor. Yeah, and I'm with you there. I   Pat Daily  37:31 think transitions are key. And I largely ignored them as well, in my in my early writing, that that of reading or consuming a book is actually requires work on both ends. And it's easier for the reader, if you pull them along as the writer if you seamlessly pull them into the next scene or seamlessly transition them. So yeah, transitions are huge.   Michael Hingson  38:00 They are and as soon as I heard that it made perfect sense. And the thing about it is I know now that I knew it, then I just never thought about it. So it's it's great to have a wonderful editor who can guide you. Well, your first book is called spark tell us about it, if you would. Spark is a near future science fiction novel, it.   Pat Daily  38:26 It takes place, mostly in Southern California, because when I was flying out there, I remember there being a solar power facility called solar one. And you could see it from probably 100 miles away during the daytime because it was one of these solar facilities where it relied on mirrors to reflect the solar energy up to a central collecting vessel that that normally has some sort of molten salt in it because it turns out that's really good for retaining heat. And then then they use that to transfer the heat to water turn that into steam to power a turbine and voila, electricity, by all always was fascinated by the whole solar power idea. And so spark itself is an acronym. It stands for Solar prime augmented reality Park. And, and as one of my readers pointed out, will pat that should be spark than not Spark as well. Yeah, but but spark doesn't exactly roll off the tongue. So I took a little license there. And the spark is a theme park for gamers. And it is an augmented reality theme park that makes use of both haptic technology as well as auditory cue News and visual cues in a thing I call augmented reality glasses that present the the player with a blended version of the real and the virtual. It's close enough in time to us that most people recognize a lot of the technology. But it posits some pretty impressive changes in artificial intelligence and solar power. And of course, it's it's got action adventure, there are good guys bad guys. The hero of the story a young man named wil Kwan shows up at the park, as you know, after his parents passed away, is his father dies in the second Korean War, which when I wrote it, wrote the book seemed much farther away than it does today. And, and that his his mom suffered mightily from the loss for her husband. And she ends up dying just few years later, and will is left as an orphan and things don't go well for him in foster care. And he ends up running away his goal is to run out to spark where his parents took him when he was younger. And he figures he's gonna get a job and just live there forever. Except that spark won't hire miners. And so he's got to figure out another way around it. And as he does, he realizes that there are far more layers to the game, and to spark itself than are normally perceived by others. And so he starts, he starts hunting a little bit, trying to learn more, he, he meets a young woman that or he has a disastrous first encounter with like, by the end of the novel, even though they still butt heads, they're now holding hands. And so you get a little little action, a little adventure, little romance, little mystery, and it ends up I think, just being kind of a fun novel.   Michael Hingson  42:12 So I would gather from augmented reality and everything else that, that there must be a lot of adventures and quests, and so on in the book. So if somebody were to buy the rights for the book, what quest would you like to see them convert into real life?   Pat Daily  42:29 That's a good question. That's a good question. I think my favorite and I D, detail a couple of the quests pretty deeply in the book, and one is called war on Mars. And I think it would be the most fun because it is the most expansive it, it takes place in mostly in Mariner Valley on Mars, which is so much larger than the Grand Canyon, in the United States. It is seven kilometers deep, that's four and a half miles deep. And it's it's nearly as wide as the United States is or long as the United States is east to west. And so I thought there were some cool things you could do with that out elevation change and, and of course, then there's got to be aliens involved in there, too.   Michael Hingson  43:28 I was just going to ask.   Pat Daily  43:32 Yeah, so So there are some aliens who don't take kindly to us being on Mars, and there's combat but but will is the kind of guy that he would rather think his way through things and fight his way through things. So he's, he's hung up on trying to find a more peaceful solution to our conflict with the aliens and I think that ends up being a lot of fun and wouldn't be a lot of fun to play out in real life.   Michael Hingson  44:03 Hopefully he figures out a way to get some peace and make some new friends.   Pat Daily  44:08 He does. Oh, good.   Michael Hingson  44:09 What character given that you're you're doing this a little bit future mystic kind of where what character was the hardest to develop   Pat Daily  44:18 the the young woman whose name is Shay Cree Patel, but her avatar name is feral daughter, and, and that name came out of something. My own daughter said that I misunderstood. We were on a on a vacation and they were in in shopping and I'd had enough of shopping in that particular store. So I just wanted to go stand outside for a little bit. Enjoy the fresh air. And she came out and she said something that I misunderstood as feral daughter. And I jumped all over that I said, that would be a great name for kind of a counter culture. clothing line, or, or you know, a boutique for women's clothes at a university or something like that. And she goes, Dad, what are you talking about? I said, Well, feral daughter isn't that we such no I and I don't even to this day, I don't remember what she actually said that it was not Farrell daughter. And it turns out that while I think I am a good husband, and good father, I am not very good at writing female characters. And again, my writing groups came in and were tremendously helpful. You know, some painful feedback, but also very good feedback to help me develop the female characters make them more authentic, so that, that neither of my daughters or my wife were embarrassed by the by them at the end   Michael Hingson  45:51 of the day, you mean, your daughter didn't help you? Right? She gave me   Pat Daily  45:55 one daughter, God bless her read all the way through one of the early drafts and gave me a lot of good feedback. The second one, the second daughter was far more interested after the book came out. And she was better at answering specific questions about well, you know, would this would this girl do this? Or? Or what do you think about this? Or how should he or she approached this? So they both been helpful in very different ways? Like, yeah, I, I was embarrassed enough by my writing that I put them through too many revisions of the of the novel   Michael Hingson  46:36 well, but if they, if they looked at it, and really helped unless you just were way too graphic with the sex scenes?   Pat Daily  46:44 No, no. And, and honestly, them that factored into it, I wanted to write a book that I wouldn't be embarrassed for my goats to read any of eventually, their children to read a call. They're calling you now. They're calling me now Dad, what are you saying? So, you know, interestingly, when I got the idea for the book, I was pitching it to my wife when we were out to dinner one night, and she's a fourth grade school teacher. And she started asking me all these questions, what about this, and this and this and this, and it would not be an understatement to say that I reacted poorly to the feedback. And at the end of the night, we ended up still married and still loving each other. But she told me that she was not going to read it until it was published. And so I lost my opportunity to have my first best writer critiquer   Michael Hingson  47:45 How about now with future books and the book you're working on now?   Pat Daily  47:49 Now, I think she is much more open to it.   Michael Hingson  47:52 And are you more open to Yes,   Pat Daily  47:55 yes. And I I'm better at taking feedback. And that helps tremendously. Because now I can I can discuss it a little more dispassionately and talk about what works what doesn't work in a scene and, and how characters might actually react. How old are your daughter's daughter number one is 36. Donner number two will be 33. The end of this year?   Michael Hingson  48:27 Do you have any sons? Nope.   Pat Daily  48:29 Just daughters.   Michael Hingson  48:30 So you've got two daughters, and they still and your wife still has some time to read and comment on your writings. Indeed,   Pat Daily  48:40 although my I'm probably not her favorite genre. Now she she loves historical fiction. So she'll, she'll jump on one of those books more eagerly than a science fiction book.   Michael Hingson  48:56 Well, okay, science fiction book. I guess we have to get to some other questions about that. So if we're dealing with science fiction today, Star Wars or Star Trek?   Pat Daily  49:07 Oh, gotta say I love them both. But I was born and raised on trek. And so I'll always be a Trekkie, even though I am a little disgruntled with some of the decisions they've made and some of the recent movies.   Michael Hingson  49:21 Yeah, yeah, my I hear you. But I like them both. I, especially the earlier Star Wars movies. I think, again, they've they've lost something in some of the translated translations later on. But they're fun. There are a lot of really nice Star Wars and Star Trek books, however, that are fun to read.   Pat Daily  49:44 Yeah. Yeah. And I actually, I actually tried to write a Star Trek book years ago, and I thought it was it was going to be good but it never I never finished it and The series move beyond one of my central characters I made Lieutenant Saavik a central character and, and things just move beyond her.   Michael Hingson  50:11 Mm hmm. Things happen. Yep. Well, and I was, you know, I like all of the Star Wars movies and I guess they they dealt with it but like the the last well of the original Nine with Luke Skywalker I guess in a little in a sense I was a little disappointed of course, I was disappointed that that Han Solo son killed him and what was that number? That would have been what number seven? But nevertheless, they're they're, they're fun. They're great adventure scores. So was Indiana Jones.   Pat Daily  50:46 Yes, yes. Indiana Jones that Raiders of the Lost Ark was actually the first movie I took my wife to go see   Michael Hingson  50:56 her you go down and how she liked it. She loved it.   Pat Daily  51:01 She loved it. I knew nothing about it other night heard other people say great things about it. And so I was delighted that it turned out to be such a good movie. I think it made a positive impact.   Michael Hingson  51:13 And were you afraid of snakes? I had to ask.   Pat Daily  51:16 I hate snakes.   Michael Hingson  51:21 Then as far as more I guess you could say science fiction, probably more fantasy, but something that I think has had a major impact on the lives of a lot of people, especially kids and helping them read is Harry Potter.   Pat Daily  51:33 Yes. That completely hooked. My daughter's my my first daughter got hooked on the red wall series. Brian jocks but then as soon as the Harry Potter's came out, she started devouring those and that is what really turned my second daughter into a reader was all the Harry Potter books. So II and that's the point, right? Yep. Yep,   Michael Hingson  52:01 I think we discovered Harry Potter with the third one in the series, prisoner basket band, we heard about it, and saw some new things about it. And at that time, there was still this company books on tape and we went in and we got copies, we got a copy and started reading the first one. And we got hooked. It was a little while getting into it. But it was a little boring at first, but we got hooked on it. And so we read the Sorcerer's Stone. And then we were hooked and couldn't wait for each of them the rest of the books to come out. So we read the first three pretty quickly because we were already on the Prisoner of Azkaban when we learned about it, but then we grabbed books as soon as we can. We got the audio books because my wife liked to listen to them as well, although we also got a print copy of all of the books, but we enjoyed listening to them. Jim Dale was such a great reader. And one of my favorite stories about all of that is that he was scheduled to read part of the fourth book in the series. I think that was the one published in 2001. When September 11 happened and he was supposed to be in Manhattan and was in Manhattan. He was supposed to do a reading outside of scholastic publishing, publishing. And so when the Goblet of Fire was published, he was going to be there doing a reading at Scholastic because they're the publisher of it. And of course, it was on September 11 And September 11 happened so he didn't get to read it. And we didn't get to go up and listen. But I remember that that was supposed to all happen on September 11.   Pat Daily  53:41 Oh my goodness, I never knew that. So she was going to be an evening thing. We're going to have to take off work, go play a little hooky to listen to the reading Oh,   Michael Hingson  53:50 we we could have gone up there without any difficulty during the day because we were working with scholastic publishing and sold them tape backup products. So it's not even a hard problem to go off and deal with going up there. Ah, okay. And when only going from the World Trade Center up to Scholastic, which is Midtown Manhattan, so was likely we'd be up in that area. Anyway. My favorite though thing about scholastic was we went in once I and a couple of wire other people. And one of the elevators was out of order, and they had a sign on the one that worked that said, this is for muggle use. And then the one that was out of order for wizard use only, which was really cute. I like that. Yeah, it was kind of fun. But you know, I really admire authors and books that promote reading and encourage people to read and I'm glad that that Harry Potter has done that and, you know, I'm looking forward to reading spar have gotta figure out a way to get access to it. I assume it may not be in audio format yet or is it?   Pat Daily  54:53 It is not. But I just started conversations with someone who could be the the narrator and I I've just learned that there's a huge difference between narrators and voice actors. And so I may need someone with voice acting skills, rather than just narration. Because I've got a lot of characters and some drama, and I want somebody that that can do more than simply read the words off the page. But I don't know how long it takes from day one to final release of an audio book. But I will let you know when it happens.   Michael Hingson  55:30 It you do have to get somebody who can read it. Well, I enjoy books where the reader is a as an actor and puts different voices into it. I've been reading talking books from the library of congress, of course, my whole life and early on, especially, they sought actors to do the reading. One of my favorite series has always been the wreck stop series near wolf, the private detective. Yeah, in the in the reader who did the best job was a radio actor named Carl Webber, who I never heard much of in radio, although I clicked radio shows, he did do a show called Dr. Six Gun. And I've discovered that and listened to him. And it does sound like our a Weber. But he read the neuro wolf books, and they were absolutely incredibly well done. So it does make a difference to have someone who's a good actor reading it, as opposed to just somebody who reads the lines, because they will help draw you in. Yeah, yeah. And I actually   Pat Daily  56:35 just downloaded thunder dog. I still do a fair amount of driving and I like to listen to books while I'm driving. So I'm I'm looking forward to hearing that. Well, Christopher   Michael Hingson  56:48 prince did a did a good job with it. I, I don't know how he would be at well, actually, I take that back. I have heard another book of that he read where he did. It was a fiction book. And I'm trying to remember the name of it, I'd have to go back and find it. But he did a pretty good job. He did this for Oasis audio. But there are some good actors out there. And so I hope that you have some success. Let me know. And if you need somebody ever to listen, I'd be glad to help.   Pat Daily  57:17 Oh, excellent. Thank you. I'll take care on that.   Michael Hingson  57:20 I have one last question I've been thinking about not book related. But talking about aircraft. Again, the 747 I keep hearing is probably the most stable passenger airliner that has ever been really produced. What do you think about that? Why is it so stable? Oh, I've   Pat Daily  57:38 got to agree with that a real champion of design. And it's got a couple things in his favor. One is one is the wings are Anhedral, which means that they can't up a little bit and especially when, when they get a little lift on him, they they get pulled up as all their aircraft wings do. And then the enormous vertical stabilizer lends a lot of a lot of stability to the aircraft. And then finally, I think Boeing just did an absolutely spectacular job of, of harmonizing the flight controls and putting everything together to make it a very docile airplane, certainly for something of its size. I mean, it carries so much fuel that he uses fuel for structural integrity when it's more full. And so we have that 747 is a spectacular airplane. And, and unfortunately, it's it's kind of aging   Michael Hingson  58:38 out. But how come they haven't done other things with that same level of design and stability? At least? I haven't heard that they have. But yeah, I   Pat Daily  58:48 think I think the triple seven is close to it. There have been very very few mishaps with the with the triple seven. And it's it's another marvelous airplane. I don't think they got exactly what they're hoping for with the 787. They did have some design issues, some manufacturability issues, but it's it's certainly a highly efficient and remarkably quiet appointment. So   Michael Hingson  59:20 what prompted the question was when you were talking about the Mitsubishi aircraft and so on, and putting the luggage at the backs of taller people could stand up. It reminded me of the 747 with the upper level for first class, the lounge where the pilots and so on were so it almost was to a degree at least a double decker aircraft.   Pat Daily  59:38 Yeah. Yeah. And of course Airbus has made the a 380 which is a true double decker full length. But that's that's another aircraft that hasn't exactly lived up to its hype. Well,   Michael Hingson  59:51 still holding on for flying saucers. There you go. Well, Pat, I want to thank you for being on unstoppable mindset. How do people reach out and maybe learn more about you? Where can they get the book? You know, love all your contact information and so on.   Pat Daily  1:00:08 Okay, probably the easiest way is the website, which is thepatdaily.com. And it's t h e. P a t d a i l y.com. And that has links to to my blog to the bio to all my other socials. I'm on, of course on on Facebook at Pat Daily, author and on Instagram at Pat daily pics and then Twitter at at Pat Daily, or I think it's at Pat Daily author, but easiest way, just the website, everything is there. Down. Cool.   Michael Hingson  1:00:48 Well, I know I'm looking forward to finding a way to read spark and your other books as they come out. That will be fun being a science fiction fan, of course. And I think we talked about it before we were doing this particular episode. But we've talked about science fiction and some of my favorite authors, I would still like to see somebody take Robert Heinlein to the Moon is a Harsh Mistress, and make it into a radio series. Talking about actors. I just think that do. I think you're right. I loved that book.   Pat Daily  1:01:19 I loved so much of what Heinlein wrote, you know, one of the one a great masters of the genre.   Michael Hingson  1:01:25 Yeah, yeah. And I think that's his best book. A lot of people say Stranger in a Strange Land was and it was very unique, and so on. But the Moon is a Harsh Mistress is so clever. And there's so much to it. And of course, then there are books that follow on from it, where some of the world's the same characters are involved. Heinlein created a whole universe, which was fun, did it just sort of like as I did with the foundation series? Well, thanks, again, for being here. We need to do this again. Especially when you get more books out, when you get your next book out, we got to come back and talk about it. I'd love to.   Pat Daily  1:02:02 And and thank you so much for having me on your show, Mike, I really appreciate it.   Michael Hingson  1:02:05 Well, I really appreciate you taking the time to be here. This has been fun. So people go find the Pat daily.com and contact Pat reach out and enjoy the book. And let me know what you think of it. I'm going to get to it as well, I'm just going to find a way to be able to read it. So we'll get there. But for all of you who listened in today, thanks very much for being here. If you'd like to reach out to me, please do so. My email address is Michaelhi@accessibility.com. That's M I C H A E L H I  at A C C E S S I B E.com. Where you can go to www dot Michael hingson.com/podcast where you can reach out to us as well. I hope you'll give us a five star rating. And Pat, we didn't talk about it. 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In this episode, I will be talking about a 68.5-mile off-road trail that starts in Big Bear Lake and ends at Cajon pass. I'm calling this trail rim of the world GAIA LINK https://www.gaiagps.com/map/?loc=8.7/-116.9477/34.0517&pubLink=e3Z0Afpq0vVL5G60SPdUCWHq&trackId=7270c780-ac18-4fa0-93ab-bd73ee1977f3 BRAVO-OVERLAND YOUTUBE https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChrOv6tKbZp71O1-3N3Mk6w

Alba Rodríguez Padilla, University of California, Davis The past vicennial has witnessed four multi-fault, surface rupturing earthquakes in the Eastern California Shear Zone that left behind impressive footprints of widespread deformation in the desert. Inelastic processes from earthquakes contribute to the formation of fault damage zones that constitute a permanent sink of strain energy, modify the elastic properties of the shallow crust and amplify near-field ground shaking. Constraints on the extent of inelastic deformation differ depending on the dataset and methodology used. We combine fracture, strain, and aftershock maps from the Ridgecrest events, and fracture maps from the Landers, Hector Mine, and El Mayor Cucapah earthquakes to reconcile the properties of damage zones across different spatial scales and resolutions. Our observations reveal how macroscopic fracturing generates intense near-fault damage and that widespread damage accrues regionally over multiple earthquake cycles. To the east, the San Andreas and the San Jacinto faults come together in a releasing step-over at Cajon Pass, north of Los Angeles, where the record of multi-fault earthquakes through this junction has long been erased from the surface. Through paleoseismic trenching and finite-element modeling of secondary fault slip, we provide constraints on the frequency and mechanics of past multi-fault earthquakes at this location. Comparison of our record to independent chronologies shows that 20%–23% of earthquakes on the San Andreas and the San Jacinto faults are co-ruptures through Cajon Pass.

Congrats to Adam Bomb, who won week 3 of #moxiemillion, by sharing the show to help it reach 1 million downloads this month! Necessity is the mother of invention and these inventions had real mothers!  Hear about Black female inventors, the tribulations of research, and a story I didn't expect to find and couldn't pass up. 01:00 L'histoire  06:36 Martha Jones's corn husker 07:55 Mary Jones de Leon's cooking apparatus 08:56 Judy Reed's dough kneader-roller 10:30 Sarah Goode's folding bed-desk 11:40 Sarah Boon's ironing board 17:15 Lyda Newman's hairbrush 19:33 Madam CJ Walker's Wonderful Hair-grower 22:03 Biddy Mason Links to all the research resources are on the website. Hang out with your fellow Brainiacs.  Reach out and touch Moxie on Facebook, Twitter,  or Instagram.  Become a patron of the podcast arts! Patreon or Ko-Fi.  Or buy the book and a shirt. Music: Kevin MacLeod, David Fesilyan, Dan Henig. and/or Chris Haugen. Sponsors:  What Was That Like, Reddit on Wiki, Sambucol Want to start a podcast or need a better podcast host?  Get up to TWO months hosting for free from Libsyn with coupon code "moxie."   The first Africans arrived at Jamestown, Virginia in 1619. They were recorded as “20 and odd Negroes.” These Africans had been stolen from a Portuguese slave ship, transported to an English warship flying a Dutch flag and sold to colonial settlers in American.  The schooner Clotilda (often misspelled Clotilde) was the last known U.S. slave ship to bring captives from Africa to the United States, arriving at Mobile Bay, in autumn 1859[1] or July 9, 1860   The end of the Civil War and the passage of the 13th and 14th Amendments meant that all black inventors now had the right to apply for patents. The result over the next few decades was a virtual explosion of patented inventions by black mechanics, blacksmiths, domestic workers, and farm laborers — many of them ex-slaves. By 1895 the U.S. Patent Office was able to advertise a special exhibit of inventions patented by black inventors. The list of new inventions patented by blacks after the Civil War reveals what kinds of occupations they held and in which sectors of the labor force they were concentrated. Agricultural implements, devices for easing domestic chores, and devices related to the railroad industry were common subjects for black inventors. Some patented inventions developed in the course of operating businesses like barbershops, restaurants, and tailoring shops. started here Researching African-American history is far tougher than it should be.  Marginalized stories don't get written down, and then there was the whole Lost Cause thing, actively eradicating what stories had been recorded.  For those in far-flung parts fortunate enough not to have have attended a school whose history books were written or chosen by these [sfx bleep], the Lost Cause was people like the Daughters of the Confederacy purposefully rewriting history.  Their version of events was that civil war generals were heroes, slaves were generally treated well and were happy to work for their enslavers, and that the war was about state's rights, not the immorality of owning another human being.  It was from this movement that my hometown of Richmond, VA got a beautiful tree-lined avenue of expensive row houses and every third block had a statue of a civil war general.  the number of Confederate memorial installations peaked around 1910 — 50 years after the end of the Civil War and at the height of Jim Crow, an era defined by segregation and disenfranchisement laws against black Americans. Confederate installations spiked again in the 1950s and 1960s, during the Civil Rights Movement.  It weren't nothing to do with celebrating ancestors who fought for what they believed in, which you shouldn't do if your ancestor was so stunningly wrong in their beliefs, it was about telling African-Americans that you haven't forgotten when they were under your boot and you'd bring all that back tomorrow if you could.  The statues are on my mind today because I was just in a networking event with Noah Scalin and Mark Cheatham, the artists who created a now iconic (regionally) iconic image of the empty plinth where the Robert E Lee statue stood.  Scalin was the guy that started the Skull A Day website, if you ever saw that, and my husband helped him do an art installation in Times Square.   But my squirrel brain was talking about the inherent difficulty of researching this topic.  Details were sparse for the male inventors and it wasn't uncommon for me to find the same photo used on articles about different people, and if I ever, say, shared an image of Benjamin Montgomery with the caption Henry Boyd, many many apologies for the inconvenience.  But in researching black *women inventors, I'd be lucking to *find a picture, misattributed or otherwise.  Or their story or even enough of a bio to fill out aa 3x5 index card.  I got nothing, bupkis, el zilcho.  Well, not nothing-nothing, but not a fraction of what I wanted to present to you.  One of my goals with YBOF is to amplify the stories of POC, women, and the LGBT (see my recent Tiktok about the amazing Gladys Bently for the trifecta), but I guess if I really mean to do that, I'm going to have to abandon Google in favor of an actual library, when I no longer have to be wary of strangers trying to kill me with their selfishness.  That aside, I love a library.  I used to spend summer afternoons at the one by my house in high school – it was cool, quiet, full of amazing knowledge and new stories, and best of all, my 4 little sisters had no interest in going.  When you come from a herd of six kids, anything you can have exclusively to yourself, even if it's because no one else wants it, immediately becomes your favorite thing.   So I don't have as much as I wanted about Black female inventors of the pre-Civil War era, but I did find one real gem that I almost gave the entire episode to, but we'll come to her.  As with male inventors, it can be a little sketch to say this one was first or that one was first.  There are a number of reasons for this.  Black people kept in bondage were expressly prohibited from being issued patents by a law in 18??.  Some would change their names in an attempt to hide their race, some would use white proxies, and of course many Black inventors had their ideas stolen, often by their enslavers, who believed that they owned not only the person, but all of their work output, that they owned the inventor's ideas as much as they owned the crops he harvested, the horseshoes he applied, or the goods he built.     The other big thing that makes early patent history tricky is something I've dealt with personally, twice - a good ol' fashioned structure fire.  A fire broke out in a temporary patent office and even though there was a fire station right next door, 10,000 early patents were lost, as were about 7000 patent models, which used to be part of the application process.  Long story short, we don't, and probably can't, know definitively who was the first, second, and third Black woman to receive a patent, so I'm going to take what names I *can find and put them in chronological order, though surely there are some inventors whose names have been lost, possibly forever.   Martha Jones is believed to be the first Black woman to receive a U.S. patent in 1868, three years after the end of the Civil War, for her improvement to the “Corn Husker, Sheller.”  Her invention made it possible to husk, shell, cut and separate corn all in one step, saving time and labor.  This would be for dry or field corn, the kind used to make cornbread, not sweet corn, the kind you eat on the bone in the summer.  This invention laid a foundation stone for advancements in automatic agricultural processes that are still in use today.  I can show you the schematics from Jones' patent, but as for Jones herself, I've got sweet Fanny Adams.  But I can tell you that her patent came 59 years after the first white woman got hers in 1809, for a weaving process for bonnets, which I think also illustrates what constituted a “problem” in each woman's life.  On the gender side of things, Jones' patent came 47 years after Thomas Jennings became the first black man to receive a U.S. Patent in 1821 for the precursor to dry-cleaning, whose details we lost in that fire.   Next up, or so it is believed, was another Jones (it's like Wales in here today), Mary Jones De Leon.  In 1873, De Leon was granted U.S. patent No. 140,253 for her invention titled ”Cooking Apparatus.”  De Leon, who lived in Baltimore, Maryland, and is buried outside Atlanta, GA, created an apparatus for heating or cooking food either by dry heat or steam, or both.  It was an early precursor to the steam tables now used in buffets and cafeterias.  Remember buffets?  We'll be explaining them to our grandkids.  You'd go to a restaurant and eat out of communal troughs with strangers for $10.  By the way, if I were to say ‘chafing dish' and you thought of a throw-away line from the 1991 movie Hot Shot, “No, a crock pot is for cooking all day,” that's why we're friends.  If you didn't, don‘t worry, we're still friends.   The third patent in our particular pattern went to Judy Woodford Reed, and that patent is about the only records we have for her.  She improved existing machines for working bread dough with her "Dough Kneader and Roller" in 1884.  Her design mixed the dough more evenly, while keeping it covered, which would basically constitute sterile conditions back then.  Reed appears in the 1870 Federal Census as a 44 year old seamstress near Charlottesville, Virginia, along with her husband Allen, a gardener, and their five children.  Sometime between 1880 and 1885, Allen Reed died, and Judy W. Reed, calling herself "widow of Allen," moved to Washington, D. C.  It is unlikely that Reed was able to read, write, or even sign her name.  The census refers to Judy and Allen both as illiterate, and her patent is signed with an "X".   That might have actually worked to her favor.  Lots of whites, about 1 in 5, were illiterate back then, too, and an X reveals neither race nor gender.   The first African-American woman to fully sign a patent was Sarah E. Goode of Chicago.  Bonus fact: illiteracy is why we use an X to mean a kiss at the bottom of a letter or greeting card.  People who couldn't sign their name to a contract or legal document would mark it with an X and kiss it to seal their oath.  Tracing the origin of O meaning hug is entirely unclear, though, and theories abound.   Sarah Elisabeth Goode obtained a patent in 1885 for a Cabinet-bed, a "sectional bedsteads adapted to be folded together when not in use, so as to occupy less space, and made generally to resemble some article of furniture when so folded."  Details continue to be sparse, but we know that as of age 5 in 1860, she was free and living in Ohio.  She moved to Chicago 10 years later and 10 years after that, married a man named Archibald, who was a carpenter, as her father had been.  They had some kids, as people often do, though we don't know how many.   If they had many kids or lived in a small space for the number of kids they had, that could have been what motivated Goode to create a very early version of the cool desk that turns into a bed things you can see online that sell for hundreds or thousands of dollars.  Goode's invention had hinged sections that were easily raised or lowered. When not functioning as a bed, the invention could easily be used as a desk with small compartments for storage, ideal for a small city apartment, especially if there were hella kids in there.   We have a bit more on another Sarah inventor, this time Sarah Boone of NC.  Born into bondage in 1832, Sarah may have acquired her freedom by marrying James Boone, a free Black man, in 1847.  Together, they had eight children and worked to help the Underground Railroad.  Soon the family, along with Sarah's widowed mother, made their way north to New Haven, Connecticut.  Sarah worked as a dressmaker and James as a bricklayer until his death in the 1870s.  They'd done well enough for themselves to purchase their own home.  Far removed from the strictures and structures of enslavement, Sarah became a valued member of her community and began taking reading and writing lessons.     It was through her workaday life as a dressmaker that she invented a product you might well have in your home today, the modern-day ironing board.  Quick personal aside in an episode that's already chock-full of them–did anyone else marry military or former military and make your spouse do all the ironing because you assume they'd be better at it from having to do their uniforms?  I can't be the only one.  Back to Sarah Boone, who wanted “to produce a cheap, simple, convenient and highly effective device, particularly adapted to be used in ironing the sleeves and bodies of ladies garments.”   You might think the ironing board didn't *need to be “invented,” that it was just one of those things everybody kinda just had, but no.  Prior to Boone, you'd put bits of wood between the backs of two chairs, like a makeshift sawhorse.  And anyone who's ever used a makeshift sawhorse only to have it slide apart out from under them or end up sawing into their dining room table will attest that there was indeed room for improvement.  She began by creating a narrower, curved board that could slip into the  sleeves of dresses and shirts, with padding to stop the texture of the wooden base from being imprinted onto the fabric, and the whole thing collapsed for easy storage.   With a bit of help from other dressmakers, she finalized the design for which she'd be awarded her patent in 1892.  Such a simple device was a boon to many a homemaker, though there remains the extent to which she profited from the invention, particularly as they became a product for mass distribution by companies. Even so, we know that it was soon an indispensable household device and made manufacturers wealthy.   MIDROLL   Lyda Newman is remembered for two things, patented the first hairbrush with synthetic bristles in 1898 and her activism in the women's voting rights movement of the early 20th century – she was a key organizer of a Black branch of the Woman Suffrage Party, which was trying to give women the legal right to vote.  We know she was born in Ohio sometime between 1865 and 1885, which is a helluva range for history so relatively recent, and that she spent most of her life living in New York City, working as a hairdresser.      As a hairdresser, and an owner of a head of hair herself, Newman wanted the process of brushing hair to be more hygienic and efficient.  Most hairbrushes at the time were made using animal hair, the same kind you might get in shaving brushes or paint brushes.  Now imagine trying to get knots out with a shaving brush.  Animal-based bristles were too soft for the job, which is where we get the old trope/advice of 100 strokes – it took that many to get the job done.  And that was for white woman.  These brushes were practically useless for the thicker textures of African American hair.  Animal hair also harbored bacteria like it's nobody's business, which is unfortunate since it was also used to bristle toothbrushes and, oh yeah, back in the day, you'd have a single household toothbrush that everyone shared.  Newman's brush used synthetic fibers, which were more durable and easier to clean, in evenly spaced rows of bristles with open slots to clear debris away from the hair into a recessed compartment.  The back could be opened with a button for cleaning out the compartment.     This wasn't a gimmick or fly-by-night idea.  Newman's invention changed the hair-care industry by making hairbrushes less expensive and easier to manufacture.  This paved the way for other Black inventors in the hair-care space to actually *create the black hair care industry, chief among them, Sarah Breedlove.  Don't recognize the name?  What if I call her Madam C.J. Walker?  Well, I'm gonna tell you about her either way.  Breedlove, born in 1867 in Louisiana, was the first child in her family born into freedom, but found herself an orphan at age seven after both parents died of yellow fever.  She lived with a brother-in-law, who abused her, before marrying Moses McWilliams at age 14 to get away from him.  Sarah was a mother at 17 and a widow at 20, so on the whole, not having a good time of it.  And to top it all off, her hair was falling out.   She developed a product to treat the unspecified scalp disease that caused it, made of petroleum jelly, sulfur, and a little perfume to make it smell better.  And it worked!  She called it Madame C.J.Walker Wonderful Hair Grower (she was now married to Charles Walker) and along with Madame C.J.Walker Vegetable Shampoo, began selling door-to-door to other African-American women suffering from the same disease.  5 years later, she set up the Madame C.J.Walker Manufacturing Company in the US, and later expanded her business to Central America and the Caribbean.  She recruited 25,000 black women by the early 1900s to act as door-to-door beauty consultants across North and Central America, and the Caribbean.  Walker was the first one using the method known today as direct sales marketing to distribute and sell her products, a method adopted later on by Avon, TupperWare, and others.  And she paid well, too!  You could earn $25 a week with Walker, a damn site better than $2 per week as a domestic servant.  Her workforce would grow to be 40,000 strong.  So don't be telling me that paying a living wage is bad for business.   Walker didn't keep her success to herself, but used her wealth to support African-American institutions, the black YMCA, helped people with their mortgages, donated to orphanages and senior citizens homes, and was a believer in the power of education.  Now be sure you don't do as I am wont to do and accidentally conflate Madame CJ Walker with Maggie Walker, the first African American woman to charter a bank and the first African American woman to serve as a bank president, and an advocate for the disabled, because she deserves coverage of her own.    As I was searching for black female inventors, I came across one listicle with a paragraph on a woman the author claimed helped “invent” the city of Los Angeles.  That's a bit of a stretch, I thought to myself, but as I read the story of Bridget “Biddy” Mason, I became so utterly fascinated, I almost flipped the script to do the episode entirely about her.  I did not, as you've plainly noticed, since I'd already done primary research for the first six pages of an eight page script. Biddy was born into slavery in 1818 in Georgia, maybe.  We do know she spent most of her early life on a plantation owned by Robert Smithson.  During her teenage years, she learned domestic and agricultural skills, as well as herbal medicine and midwifery from African, Caribbean, and Native American traditions of other female slaves.  Her knowledge and skill made her beneficial to both the slaves and the plantation owners.  According to some authors, Biddy was either given to or sold to Robert Smith and his wife Rebecca in Mississippi in the 1840s.  Biddy had three children, Ellen, Ann, and Harriet.  Their paternity is unknown, but it's been speculated that Ann and Harriet were fathered by Smith.   Smith, a Mormon convert, followed the call of church leaders to settle in the West to establish a new Mormon community in what would become Salt Lake City, Utah in what was at the time still part of Mexico.  The Mormon church was a-okay with slavery, encouraging people to treat the enslaved kindly, as they were lesser beings who needed the white man's protection.  In 1848, 30-year-old Mason *walked 1,700 miles behind a 300-wagon caravan. Along the route west Mason's responsibilities included setting up and breaking camp, cooking the meals, herding livestock, and serving as a midwife as well as taking care of her three young daughters aged ten, four, and an infant.  Utah didn't last long for the Smiths and 3 years later, they set out in a 150-wagon caravan for San Bernardino, California to establish another Mormon community.  Ignoring warnings that slavery was illegal in California, Smith gathered his livestock and people they treated like livestock and schlepped them along.  Although California joined the United States as a free state in 1850, the laws around slavery were complicated and there was a lot of forced labor to be found.  Indigenous people could be forced to work as "contract laborers."  How, you ask?  Well this made we swear loudly when I read it.  Every weekend, local authorities would arrest intoxicated Natives on dubious charges and take them to what was essentially a slave mart and auction off their labor for the coming week. If they were paid at the end of that week, they were usually paid in alcohol so they could get drunk and be arrested to be auctioned off again.   Along the way, biddy Mason met free blacks who urged her to legally contest her slave status once she reached California, a free state.  When they got to Cali, Mason met more free blacks, like her lifelong friends Robert and Minnie Owens, who told her the same thing.  Smith must have noticed this, because a few years later, fearing the loss of his slaves, he decided to move the whole kit and caboodle to Texas, a slave state.  This was obviously real bad news for Mason and the other enslaved people, but thankfully Mason had the Owens on her side, particularly since her now 17 year old daughter was in love with their son.  The law was on her side, too.  The California Fugitive Slave Act, enacted in 1852, allowed slave owners to temporarily hold enslaved persons in California and transport them back to their home state, but this law wouldn't have covered Smith because he wasn't from Texas.  When Robert Owens told the Los Angeles County Sheriff that there were people being illegally held in bondage and being taken back to a slave state, the sheriff gathered a posse, including Owens, his sons, and cattleman from Owens' ranch, and cut Smith off at the pass, literally Cajon Pass, and prevented him from leaving the state.  The sheriff was armed with a legal document, a writ of habeus corpus, signed by Judge Benjamin Hayes.   On January 19, 1856 she petitioned the court for freedom for herself and her extended family of 13 women and children.  Their fate was now in the hands of Judge Hayes.  You wouldn't expect Hayes to be on Mason's side in a dispute against Smith.  Hayes hailed from a slave state and had owned slaves himself, plus in his time as a journalist, he's written pro-Mormon articles.  The trial started with a damning statement from Biddy's eldest daughter Hannah, herself a mother of a newborn, saying she wanted to go to Texas.  The sheriff spoke to her afterwards and found she was terrified of Smith and had said what she was told to say.  She wasn't wrong to be scared.  Smith threatened Mason's lawyer and bribed him to leave the case.  Smith's son and hired men trail hands went to the jail where Mason and her family were being kept safe and tried to intimidate the jailer.  They also threatened the Owens family and a neighborhood grocer and a doctor. They said 'If this case isn't resolved on Southern principles, you'll all pay the price, all people of color.'    Judge Hayes…he wasn't having any of this.  Technically, Mason and her children had also become free the minute they stepped into California. The new California constitution stated that “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude unless for the punishment of crimes shall ever be tolerated in this state.” However, lacking options and probably unaware of her full rights, Mason continued to serve in the Smith household.  Smith claimed Mason and the others had stayed because they were “members of his family” who voluntarily offered to go with him to Texas.  Mason, as a non-white person, was legally barred from testifying against the white Smith in court, so Judge Hayes took her into his chambers along with two trustworthy local gentlemen who acted as observers to depose her.  He asked her only whether she was going voluntarily, and what she said was, 'I always do what I have been told, but I have always been afraid of this trip to Texas."    Smith fled to Texas before the trial could conclude.  On January 19, Judge Hays ruled in favor of Mason.  "And it further appearing by satisfactory proof to the Judge here, that all the said persons of color are entitled to their freedom and are free and cannot be held in slavery or involuntary servitude, it is therefore argued that they are entitled to their freedom and are free forever."  He hoped they would “become settled and go to work for themselves—in peace and without fear.”   Okay, now we're getting to the part of Biddy Mason's story that the listicle writer used to include her in a gallery of inventrixes.  Mason and her family moved to Los Angeles, then a dusty little town of only 2,000 or so residents, less than 20 of whom were black, where she worked as midwife and nurse.  As the town grew, so did her business.  Basically, if you were having a baby, Biddy Mason was delivering it.  Well, her friend Dr. Griffin probably helped, but we're hear to talk about Biddy.  After tending to hundreds of births and illnesses, she was known about town as Aunt Biddy.  As a midwife, Mason was able to cross class and color lines and she viewed everyone as part of her extended family.  In her big black medicine bag, she carried the tools of her trade, and the papers Judge Hayes had given her affirming that she was free, just in case.    By 1866, she had saved enough money to buy a property on Spring Street.  Her daughter Ellen remembered that her mother firmly told her family that “the first homestead must never be sold.”  She wanted her family to always have a home to call their own.  My family is the same way – if you can own land, even if it's an empty lot, do.  Mason's small wood frame house at 311 Spring Street was not just a family home, it became a “refuge for stranded and needy settlers,” a daycare center for working women, and a civic meeting place.  In 1872, a group of black Angelenos founded the First African Methodist Episcopal Church at her house and they met there until they were able to move to their own building.     She also continued to invest in real estate, while always making sure to give back. According to the Los Angeles Times: “She was a frequent visitor to the jail, speaking a word of cheer and leaving some token and a prayerful hope with every prisoner. In the slums of the city, she was known as “Grandma Mason,” and did much active service toward uplifting the worst element in Los Angeles. She paid taxes and all expenses on church property to hold it for her people. During the flood of the early eighties, she gave an open order to a little grocery store, which was located on Fourth and Spring Streets. By the terms of this order, all families made homeless by the flood were to be supplied with groceries, while Biddy Mason cheerfully paid the bill.”   Eventually she was able to buy 10 acres, on which she built rental homes and eventually a larger commercial building she rented out.  That land she invested in and developed is now the heart of downtown L.A. three substantial plots near what is now Grand Central Market as well as land on San Pedro Street in Little Tokyo.  Mason was a shrewd businesswoman too.  Los Angeles was booming, and rural Spring Street was becoming crowded with shops and boarding houses. In 1884, she sold the north half of her Spring Street property for $1,500 and had a mixed-use building built on the other half.  She sold a lot she had purchased on Olive Street for $2,800, turning a tidy profit considering she'd bought it for less than $400.  In 1885, she deeded a portion of her remaining Spring Street property to her grandsons “for the sum of love and affection and ten dollars.”  She signed the deed with her customary flourished “X.” Though she was a successful real estate pioneer and nurse, who stressed the importance of education for her children and grandchildren, and taught herself Spanish, she had never learned to read or write.   Bridget “Biddy” Mason died 1891, one of the wealthiest women in Los Angeles.  For reasons never fully explained, she was buried in an unmarked grave at Evergreen Cemetery.  While you can't visit her grave, you can visit the mini-park created in her honor.  Designed by landscape architects Katherine Spitz and Pamela Burton, an 80-foot-long poured concrete wall, created by artist Sheila Levrant de Bretteville, displays a timeline of Biddy's life, illustrated with images like wagon wheels and a midwife's bag, as well as images such as an early survey map of Los Angeles and Biddy's freedom papers, from the northernmost end of the wall with the text “Biddy Mason born a slave,” all the way down to “Los Angeles mourns and reveres Grandma Mason.”  If you're ever down near the Bradbury Building on Spring street, get some pictures for me.   Sources: https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/mason-bridget-biddy-1818-1891/ https://la.curbed.com/2017/3/1/14756308/biddy-mason-california-black-history https://www.laconservancy.org/locations/biddy-mason-memorial-park https://alliesforracialjustice.org/shark-tank-in-the-1800s-black-women-reigned-in-household-inventions/ https://interestingengineering.com/black-inventors-the-complete-list-of-genius-black-american-african-american-inventors-scientists-and-engineers-with-their-revolutionary-inventions-that-changed-the-world-and-impacted-history-part-two https://www.ipwatchdog.com/2021/02/08/revolutionizing-cooking-mary-jones-de-leon/id=129701/ https://lemelson.mit.edu/resources/lyda-newman https://interestingengineering.com/black-inventors-the-complete-list-of-genius-black-american-african-american-inventors-scientists-and-engineers-with-their-revolutionary-inventions-that-changed-the-world-and-impacted-history-part-two https://laist.com/news/la-history/biddy-mason-free-forever-the-contentious-hearing-that-made-her-a-legend-los-angeles-black-history  

In session 20, Hud and B prepare for their approaching Sierra trip.  They return to a their midge of history  section with continued interest in Jed Smith,  Cajon Pass, and Joe Walkers traverse into Yosemite. We close reviewing Leave No Trace principles to prepare for an ethical outing over the next week. Tune in. 

In the early morning of February 1, 1996, an Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway Company (ATSF) freight train, en route from Barstow to Los Angeles, California was traveling westbound on the ATSF south main track when it derailed at milepost 60.4 near Cajon Junction, California. After the derailment and the subsequent rail car pileup, which involved 45 cars including 5 cars containing hazardous materials, a fire ignited that engulfed the train and the surrounding area. The conductor and brakeman were killed, the engineer suffered serious injuries and 20 other people were also hurt. This episode of The Cornfield Meet: Transportation Disasters podcast is brought to you by Michele. Michele is a ham radio operator N8CSX and an amateur disaster historian. Email: thecornfieldmeet@gmail.com Soundcloud: http://soundcloud.com/thecornfieldmeet Facebook: http://facebook.com/thecornfieldmeet Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/cornfieldmeet Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/thecornfieldmeet Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thecornfieldmeet © Theme music created by Michele Sargent

En el episodio de hoy recorreremos las 130 millas que que separan Barstow de Santa Monica Beach. Comenzaremos nuestro camino hacia los Angeles y pasaremos por lugares emblemáticos de la ruta. Entraremos por San Bernardino y ya no vamos a salir de lo que nos va a parecer ciudad, aunque no veremos los rascacielos hasta bastante más adelante. Pasaremos por Helendale, Oro Grande, Victorville el paso de montaña de Cajon Pass y San Bernardino, pasaremos por Cucamonga y conoceremos la mujer del camino de Upland. Atravesaremos Pasadena y llegaremos a Santa Mónica, terminando la Ruta 66. Finalmente os daremos algunas pistas de qué ver y conocer en Los Angeles.

En el episodio de hoy recorreremos las 130 millas que que separan Barstow de Santa Monica Beach. Comenzaremos nuestro camino hacia los Angeles y pasaremos por lugares emblemáticos de la ruta. Entraremos por San Bernardino y ya no vamos a salir de lo que nos va a parecer ciudad, aunque no veremos los rascacielos hasta bastante más adelante. Pasaremos por Helendale, Oro Grande, Victorville el paso de montaña de Cajon Pass y San Bernardino, pasaremos por Cucamonga y conoceremos la mujer del camino de Upland. Atravesaremos Pasadena y llegaremos a Santa Mónica, terminando la Ruta 66. Finalmente os daremos algunas pistas de qué ver y conocer en Los Angeles.

On this episode of #SoLA, Charlie, Camille and their friend, Chris Kula, return to deliver the very necessary sequel to The Road to Cracker Barrel, Part 1! Turns out California’s first Cracker Barrel was far more  popular than any of them had anticipated- after learning the wait for a table was three hours long (!), it becomes a roadtrip to the Victorville Habit Burger. As they travel the Cajon Pass back into Los Angeles, they discuss what they would have ordered at Cracker Barrel, the pros and cons of Burbank, how to do Vegas buffets, tips on how to eat Protein Style at In and Out, and their now-irrelevant Oscar picks: Trashy Lady Skates, Lady F**ks a Fishman, Armie Hammer Is Gay, White People Aren’t Just Bad They’re Evil, and Gary Oldman Begs for an Oscar. It’s about the journey, not the destination, y’all. 

This is the Amazing Chris Guenzler final LTT Show that he will host. What railfan trips are you planning in 2015? Call in this week and let everyone know where your headed, what are you planning on doing while your there? Will you be riding, photographing or just watching?  Do you plan to go to Steamtown?  Strasburg? Sandpatch?  Horseshoe Curve?  Cajon Pass?  Winterail?  Summerail? the 2015 NRHS Convention?  How about the 2015 La Plata Railfan event? Any others?  Do you work with a railroad museum?  Do you ride tourist trains?  Be sure and call in to 646-716-7106, or post your plans to our Facebook or Twitter pages. The Amazing Chris Guenzler will be hosting this week's episode, so call in and let Chris know what your itinerary is. 

This week the Amazing Chris Guenzler wants to know your favorite Railfanning Location and why.There are many fantastic railfanning spots here in North America and Chris wants to know which ones you like best. Chris can say Cajon Pass, Feather River  Canyon, Tehachapi Loop, Columbia Gorge, Fraser River Canyon, Curtis Hill, Flint Hills, BNSF Needles Sub Horseshoe Curve, Sand  Patch,  La Plata, Rochelle, Blue Island, Porter and many more,. Which ones do you like?  Join us for a very interesting  and educational show.

The Amazing Chris Guenzler will take you on a Tour of Cajon Pass using his Story Cajon Pass through the years as a guide. http://www.trainweb.org/chris/Cajon.html  We will go back in time to the 1980's and Chris will tell you how to get to all these spots if you still can. You will get to see pictures from the past and see motive power that is not around anymore. Pool power and leased power can be seen on trains in this story. Chris has a great knowledge of Cajon Pass that he will share with you.