Podcasts about Music Row

A mustache, a North Carolina accent, and an impossibly high vocal range walk into a podcast studio – or more specifically, John Morgan walks in, bringing all three plus two recent #1 country hits to the conversation.Morgan's journey reads like a Nashville fairy tale with an unexpected beginning. A chance meeting with songwriter John Edwards during an Uber ride led to a reconnection at Lucky Brand Jeans where Morgan was working. From there, a string of serendipitous events connected him with Jason Aldean's team, launching a career that's seen remarkable success in record time.The conversation reveals how Morgan co-wrote "If I Didn't Love You," which became a massive hit for Aldean and Carrie Underwood. With disarming candor, he shares the rush of writing the song in a single evening as album deadlines loomed. "I didn't realize it would be a career-changing song," he admits, a testament to how quickly fortunes can change in Music City.Between laughs and whiskey toasts, Morgan opens up about the surreal experience of touring with Aldean, including a hilarious moment when he "dribbled a little bit" after unexpectedly being called to sing a challenging high note in front of 30,000 fans. These stories paint a picture of the genuine relationships that have fueled his success – relationships that began with skepticism ("All of a sudden Aldean's calling? I don't think I believed it at first") and evolved into genuine creative partnerships.Now balancing his skyrocketing career with being a father to three children under three years old, Morgan embodies the modern country artist – talented, hardworking, and refreshingly down-to-earth. "I've never had more to work for in my life," he reflects, capturing the drive that's taken him from playing in his father's woodworking shop to celebrating multiple #1 hits in a single month.Ready to hear what authentic country talent sounds like? Join us for this conversation with one of Nashville's most exciting new voices and discover why timing, relationships, and raw talent still matter in music today.The Try That in a Small Town Podcast is powered by e|spaces! Redefining Coworking - Exceptional Office Space for Every BusinessAt e|spaces, we offer more than just office space - we provide premium private offices designed for focus and growth. Located in the heart of Music Row, our fully furnished offices, private suites, meeting rooms and podcast studio give you the perfect space to work, create and connect. Ready to elevate your business? Book a tour today at espaces.comFrom the Patriot Mobile studios:Don't get fooled by other cellular providers pretending to share your values or have the same coverage. They don't and they can't!Go to PATRIOTMOBILE.COM/SMALLTOWN or call 972-PATRIOTRight now, get a FREE MONTH when you use the offer code SMALLTOWN.Original BrandsOriginal brands is starting a new era and American domestic premium beer, American made, American owned, Original glory.Join the movement at www.drinkoriginalbrands.comFollow/Rate/Share at www.trythatinasmalltown.com -Browse the merch: https://trythatinasmalltown.com/collections/all -For advertising inquiries, email info@trythatinasmalltown.comThe Try That In A Small Town Podcast is produced by Jim McCarthy and www.ItsYourShow.co

Send us a text"JMIKE" , comes to us from the great state of Arizona! singer-songwriter and self taught guitar player cut his teeth as a teenager performing at local venues near his hometown of Phoenix,Az. he then moved to Nashville,Tn., in 1999. His talents caught the attention of renowned Nashville Blake Mavis( of George Strait, Keith Whitley, Charlie Pride Fame0 who helped to open Music Row doors and ink a label deal with Broken Bow Records ( the home of Jason Aldean)  Talk about the real deal !! y'all look this guy up!!  www.jmichaelharter.comall links are there!!Support the showThe David Bradley ShowHost: David Bradleyhttps://www.facebook.com/100087472238854https://youtube.com/@thedavidbradleyshowwww.thedavidbradleyshow.com Like to be a guestContact Usjulie@thedavidbradleyshow.comRecorded at Bradley StudiosProduced by: Caitlin BackesProud Member of CMASPONSERSBottled Water and Sweet Tea provided by PURITY DairyABlaze Entertainment

Violence erupts on the streets of Los Angeles as protests devolve into riots, leaving the guys feeling both infuriated and heartbroken. This special episode offers a raw, unfiltered conversation about the disturbing scenes unfolding in California.We dive deep into what's really happening on the ground versus how it's being portrayed by some media outlets and political figures. The footage reveals protesters deliberately antagonizing police officers, throwing rocks, and setting fires – yet somehow being characterized as "mainly peaceful protests." Our discussion examines the tepid response from California's leadership, including Governor Newsom and Mayor Bass, comparing it to how presidential leadership traditionally responds during national crises.The most emotional moments come when we discuss the human cost – especially for the families of law enforcement officers who must watch their loved ones being attacked while trying to maintain order. These aren't just uniforms; they're fathers, mothers, sons, and daughters risking their safety to protect communities. The contrast between what's tolerated in major cities versus small-town America couldn't be clearer, reinforcing exactly they wrote the song "Try That in a Small Town."This conversation goes beyond political talking points to examine the heart of what's at stake: public safety, respect for law enforcement, and the future direction of our cities. Whether you're from a small town or a major metropolitan area, this episode provides perspective on one of the most pressing issues facing our nation today.Subscribe, share, and join the conversation as we continue to provide our honest take on the issues that matter most to everyday Americans.The Try That in a Small Town Podcast is powered by e|spaces! Redefining Coworking - Exceptional Office Space for Every BusinessAt e|spaces, we offer more than just office space - we provide premium private offices designed for focus and growth. Located in the heart of Music Row, our fully furnished offices, private suites, meeting rooms and podcast studio give you the perfect space to work, create and connect. Ready to elevate your business? Book a tour today at espaces.comFrom the Patriot Mobile studios:Don't get fooled by other cellular providers pretending to share your values or have the same coverage. They don't and they can't!Go to PATRIOTMOBILE.COM/SMALLTOWN or call 972-PATRIOTRight now, get a FREE MONTH when you use the offer code SMALLTOWN.Original BrandsOriginal brands is starting a new era and American domestic premium beer, American made, American owned, Original glory.Join the movement at www.drinkoriginalbrands.comFollow/Rate/Share at www.trythatinasmalltown.com -Browse the merch: https://trythatinasmalltown.com/collections/all -For advertising inquiries, email info@trythatinasmalltown.comThe Try That In A Small Town Podcast is produced by Jim McCarthy and www.ItsYourShow.co

What happens when aging rock stars decide to bash America from overseas stages? In this spirited episode, the crew dives into Bruce Springsteen's controversial comments and why celebrities who once championed middle America now seem determined to alienate those very fans. "Trump hit a button in some of these people that just blew the lid off," they observe, questioning why stars risk relationships with loyal audiences for political statements.The conversation shifts to a candid examination of the music industry's award system after Beyoncé and Post Malone recently won country music awards over Morgan Wallen. The hosts express deep skepticism about "fan voted" awards, arguing that Nashville executives have become dangerously disconnected from genuine country listeners. "Music Row will always be completely disconnected from the actual country listener," they assert, highlighting how industry decision-makers repeatedly misjudge what resonates with heartland audiences while chasing crossover appeal.A highlight of the episode comes when K-Lo performs his hit "Laugh Until We Cry," followed by a moving discussion about how becoming a father transformed the song's meaning for him. This intimate moment showcases the authentic power of country songwriting – how lyrics crafted years earlier can evolve alongside life experiences. The hosts share inside stories about song origins and creative partnerships, giving listeners rare insight into the artistry behind the hits.The episode closes with a passionate debate about college football's transformation under NIL deals, Brady and Belichick's legendary partnership, and what makes true leadership. Whether discussing music, sports, or politics, the conversation returns to one central theme: the growing divide between industry elites and the audiences they claim to serve.Ready to join a conversation that doesn't shy away from hard truths? Listen now and discover why this podcast continues to connect with people who feel their perspectives are increasingly ignored by mainstream entertainment.The Try That in a Small Town Podcast is powered by e|spaces! Redefining Coworking - Exceptional Office Space for Every BusinessAt e|spaces, we offer more than just office space - we provide premium private offices designed for focus and growth. Located in the heart of Music Row, our fully furnished offices, private suites, meeting rooms and podcast studio give you the perfect space to work, create and connect. Ready to elevate your business? Book a tour today at espaces.comFrom the Patriot Mobile studios:Don't get fooled by other cellular providers pretending to share your values or have the same coverage. They don't and they can't!Go to PATRIOTMOBILE.COM/SMALLTOWN or call 972-PATRIOTRight now, get a FREE MONTH when you use the offer code SMALLTOWN.Original BrandsOriginal brands is starting a new era and American domestic premium beer, American made, American owned, Original glory.Join the movement at www.drinkoriginalbrands.comFollow/Rate/Share at www.trythatinasmalltown.com -Browse the merch: https://trythatinasmalltown.com/collections/all -For advertising inquiries, email info@trythatinasmalltown.comThe Try That In A Small Town Podcast is produced by Jim McCarthy and www.ItsYourShow.co

Step into the creative minds of Nashville's legendary songwriting troublemakers, the Warren Brothers. Brett and Brad Warren's unfiltered conversation reveals how two boys from Tampa, Florida—raised in a household so strict they couldn't walk down the beer aisle at Publix—transformed into the hitmaking duo behind some of country music's most iconic songs.Their journey unfolds like a country song itself—packed with unexpected twists, poignant revelations, and belly laughs. The brothers recount how basketball skills, not musical talent, secured their friendship with Tim McGraw (leading to 37 song cuts), and how their early co-writes with Tom Douglas taught them the vulnerability required for great songwriting. From homemade Earth Shoes to spearfishing with McGraw, their stories paint an authentic picture of Nashville's creative community at its most raw and genuine.The conversation takes a powerful turn when the brothers discuss getting sober and the transformative shift from being "collectors of everyone else's energy" to serving others through their music. This perspective change coincided with their greatest successes, including McGraw's emotional war tribute "If You're Reading This" and Toby Keith's party anthem "Red Solo Cup"—a song they wrote as a joke that became a cultural phenomenon.As they reflect on thirty years in the business, the Warrens share priceless insights about creative partnerships, the evolution of Nashville's sound, and finding purpose in an industry constantly reinventing itself. Their candid discussion about cherishing longstanding friendships and focusing on quality over quantity resonates far beyond songwriting, touching on universal truths about authenticity and legacy.Whether you're a songwriter, music lover, or someone navigating your own creative journey, this conversation will inspire you to embrace your unique path, cherish meaningful connections, and find the courage to put your truth into your work. Subscribe now and join the conversation with the songwriting duo behind some of country music's most unforgettable hits.The Try That in a Small Town Podcast is powered by e|spaces! Redefining Coworking - Exceptional Office Space for Every BusinessAt e|spaces, we offer more than just office space - we provide premium private offices designed for focus and growth. Located in the heart of Music Row, our fully furnished offices, private suites, meeting rooms and podcast studio give you the perfect space to work, create and connect. Ready to elevate your business? Book a tour today at espaces.comFrom the Patriot Mobile studios:Don't get fooled by other cellular providers pretending to share your values or have the same coverage. They don't and they can't!Go to PATRIOTMOBILE.COM/SMALLTOWN or call 972-PATRIOTRight now, get a FREE MONTH when you use the offer code SMALLTOWN.Original BrandsOriginal brands is starting a new era and American domestic premium beer, American made, American owned, Original glory.Join the movement at www.drinkoriginalbrands.comFollow/Rate/Share at www.trythatinasmalltown.com -Browse the merch: https://trythatinasmalltown.com/collections/all -For advertising inquiries, email info@trythatinasmalltown.comThe Try That In A Small Town Podcast is produced by Jim McCarthy and www.ItsYourShow.co

Ever wonder what it takes to write a hit song? Try writing 84 of them. Ashley Gorley has accomplished what many thought impossible – becoming the most successful commercial songwriter of all time, surpassing even Paul McCartney's legendary catalog. This record-breaking achievement didn't happen overnight; it was built on years of dedication, countless hours in writing rooms, and an unmatched work ethic.From his humble beginnings making DJ remixes and blending acapellas with different musical backings, Gorley developed a versatile approach that would later serve him across multiple genres. While Nashville's country music scene became his primary canvas, his talents have extended far beyond, crafting hits for artists ranging from Jason Aldean and Morgan Wallen to Bon Jovi and even earning a Grammy nomination with Weezer.What separates Gorley from other songwriters? Perhaps it's his unique process – often writing without touching an instrument, focusing purely on melody and lyrics before anything else. Or maybe it's his remarkable ability to sense a hit, though he admits being surprised when experimental songs like "That's My Kind of Night" and "T-Shirt" became massive successes. More likely, it's his philosophy of originality: "Don't write B versions of what's already out there... what can you bring to the table that we don't already have?"Despite his professional triumphs, Gorley's priorities remain firmly rooted in faith and family. Rather than chasing material possessions, he's invested his success in experiences, taking his children on meaningful trips around the world and mentoring the next generation of songwriters. Through his publishing company, he's helped foster another 50 number one hits beyond his personal catalog.For aspiring writers, his advice is both encouraging and sobering: find your creative community, be open to criticism, and prepare for rejection. The path isn't easy – Gorley wrote for seven years before his first hit – but for those willing to put in the work and offer something unique, Nashville still offers that rare opportunity where a great song can be recorded simply because someone loves it.The Try That in a Small Town Podcast is powered by e|spaces! Redefining Coworking - Exceptional Office Space for Every BusinessAt e|spaces, we offer more than just office space - we provide premium private offices designed for focus and growth. Located in the heart of Music Row, our fully furnished offices, private suites, meeting rooms and podcast studio give you the perfect space to work, create and connect. Ready to elevate your business? Book a tour today at espaces.comFrom the Patriot Mobile studios:Don't get fooled by other cellular providers pretending to share your values or have the same coverage. They don't and they can't!Go to PATRIOTMOBILE.COM/SMALLTOWN or call 972-PATRIOTRight now, get a FREE MONTH when you use the offer code SMALLTOWN.Original BrandsOriginal brands is starting a new era and American domestic premium beer, American made, American owned, Original glory.Join the movement at www.drinkoriginalbrands.comFollow/Rate/Share at www.trythatinasmalltown.com -Browse the merch: https://trythatinasmalltown.com/collections/all -For advertising inquiries, email info@trythatinasmalltown.comThe Try That In A Small Town Podcast is produced by Jim McCarthy and www.ItsYourShow.co

Twenty years ago, a small-town Georgia man with a dream released "Hicktown" and changed country music forever. Now, Jason Aldean sits down with us to unpack the remarkable journey from those uncertain early days to stadium-headlining superstardom.In this revealing conversation, Aldean takes us behind the velvet rope of the music industry, sharing how he nearly passed on songs that became career-defining hits and watched others he declined become massive successes for fellow artists. "I think songs land where they're supposed to," he reflects, detailing his instinctive approach to selecting material that genuinely resonates with him rather than chasing trends or concepts.The camaraderie between Aldean and the podcast hosts creates an intimate atmosphere as they reminisce about the lean years—playing to near-empty rooms, surviving on gas station food, and the faithful few who saw something special before the rest of the world caught on. Particularly moving is Aldean's tribute to producer Michael Knox, the one person who never abandoned ship when record deals fell apart: "I owe that guy everything."Exclusive reveals about his upcoming album (including multiple high-profile duets) will excite longtime fans, while his candid takes on everything from NFL draft picks to reality TV offers provide a glimpse at the man behind the music. Aldean's perspective on artistic integrity resonates throughout, especially when discussing how streaming has changed listeners' relationship with music: "I think a little bit of that's lost now."Whether you've followed Aldean since "Hicktown" or discovered him through "Try That in a Small Town," this conversation offers both nostalgia and fresh insights from an artist who's remained true to himself through two decades of country music evolution. Subscribe now and join us for this unforgettable journey through the highs, lows, and everything in between with one of country's most authentic voices.The Try That in a Small Town Podcast is powered by e|spaces! Redefining Coworking - Exceptional Office Space for Every BusinessAt e|spaces, we offer more than just office space - we provide premium private offices designed for focus and growth. Located in the heart of Music Row, our fully furnished offices, private suites, meeting rooms and podcast studio give you the perfect space to work, create and connect. Ready to elevate your business? Book a tour today at espaces.comFrom the Patriot Mobile studios:Don't get fooled by other cellular providers pretending to share your values or have the same coverage. They don't and they can't!Go to PATRIOTMOBILE.COM/SMALLTOWN or call 972-PATRIOTRight now, get a FREE MONTH when you use the offer code SMALLTOWN.Original BrandsOriginal brands is starting a new era and American domestic premium beer, American made, American owned, Original glory.Join the movement at www.drinkoriginalbrands.comFollow/Rate/Share at www.trythatinasmalltown.com -Browse the merch: https://trythatinasmalltown.com/collections/all -For advertising inquiries, email info@trythatinasmalltown.comThe Try That In A Small Town Podcast is produced by Jim McCarthy and www.ItsYourShow.co

Join us as we chat with Kaci Bolls—kindergarten teacher, accomplished children's music artist, and author of "Dare to Be Me." Discover how she's blended her diverse talents and experiences in the classroom and beyond.• Kaci's journey from country music songwriter to kindergarten teaching at 40• The story behind her children's book "Dare to Be Me" and its empowering message• Blending music and teaching: how her classroom and albums intersect• Insights into self-publishing versus partnering with hybrid publishers• Fun classroom stories, author visits, and future plans in education and musicLearn more about Kaci:Kaci is a kindergarten teacher, Kindie music artist, children's book author, speaker, and proud mom to two birddog brothers. Prior to getting her masters and heading to the classroom, Kaci spent almost two decades on Music Row in Nashville, TN as a country singer and songwriter. Her lifelong dream was (and still is) to work on Sesame Street. If Ms. Frizzle and Mr. Rogers had a baby, it would be Kaci. You can find Kaci:Email: kaci@kacibolls.comBlog: https://kacibolls.comDare To Be Me:  https://kacibolls.com/bookIG https://www.instagram.com/kacibollskids/TPT:  https://www.teacherspayteachers.com/store/birdie-b-creative

What happens when one of media's most outspoken voices sits down with the writers behind "Try That in a Small Town"? A raw, unfiltered conversation that cuts through the noise of today's cultural battles.Jason Whitlock brings his signature fearlessness to the podcast, sharing personal stories about growing up in Indianapolis where his father owned several bars in working-class Black neighborhoods. These formative experiences shaped his perspective on community, faith, and the shared values that transcend racial divides. With candid humor and piercing insight, Whitlock challenges the hosts and listeners alike to consider how today's cultural climate has created unexpected shifts in American music.The discussion takes a fascinating turn as Whitlock explains his journey into country music after moving to Nashville in 2020. Having grown up primarily listening to R&B and rap, he found himself drawn to the authentic storytelling and emotional depth of artists like Morgan Wallen and Aaron Lewis. This leads to a powerful observation about how great art emerges from struggle, and how today's country music gives voice to Americans who feel silenced or marginalized by mainstream culture.Throughout the episode, the conversation weaves between music, faith, politics, and personal responsibility. Whitlock doesn't shy away from controversial topics, challenging conventional wisdom about race relations, gender roles, and the importance of Biblical values in modern society. His perspective on the courage required to stand apart from the crowd resonates deeply with the songwriters, who share their own experiences of creating music that pushes against cultural expectations.Whether you're passionate about music, cultural commentary, or just appreciate authentic conversation that doesn't follow predictable scripts, this episode offers refreshing honesty and thought-provoking insights. Listen now and join the conversation about what it really means to speak your truth in today's divided America.The Try That in a Small Town Podcast is powered by e|spaces! Redefining Coworking - Exceptional Office Space for Every BusinessAt e|spaces, we offer more than just office space - we provide premium private offices designed for focus and growth. Located in the heart of Music Row, our fully furnished offices, private suites, meeting rooms and podcast studio give you the perfect space to work, create and connect. Ready to elevate your business? Book a tour today at espaces.comFrom the Patriot Mobile studios:Don't get fooled by other cellular providers pretending to share your values or have the same coverage. They don't and they can't!Go to PATRIOTMOBILE.COM/SMALLTOWN or call 972-PATRIOTRight now, get a FREE MONTH when you use the offer code SMALLTOWN.Original BrandsOriginal brands is starting a new era and American domestic premium beer, American made, American owned, Original glory.Join the movement at www.drinkoriginalbrands.comFollow/Rate/Share at www.trythatinasmalltown.com -Browse the merch: https://trythatinasmalltown.com/collections/all -For advertising inquiries, email info@trythatinasmalltown.comThe Try That In A Small Town Podcast is produced by Jim McCarthy and www.ItsYourShow.co

Welcome back for another episode of TL's Road House! Tracy Lawrence sits down for a conversation with rising country artist Drake Milligan. Hailing from Fort Worth, TX Drake tells Tracy his hard-working journey to begin to make a name for himself in Music City. He shares his early inspiration from Elvis and how it shaped him into the performing artist he is today. After kickstarting his career auditioning for American Idol, Drake decided to pull out of the competition to move to Nashville and learn from the best writers on Music Row. Tune in for today's conversation with the country newcomer!

How can we define ‘gospel,' and what are the nuances of the style that give it its name? This week, Alexa joins Nashville-based vocal coach and music producer, Amos Evans, to chat about chords, riffs, vibrato and other textures which can contribute to an aesthetic gospel sound. Hit play for teaching tips, advice to choir leaders - and to be serenaded!   WHAT'S IN THIS PODCAST? 0:52 Who is Amos Evans?  2:47 What is the music scene like in Nashville?  4:52 From DC To Nashville: How did Amos establish himself up in a new state?  9:37 Defining and identifying the gospel style  20:28 How to learn to riff  22:05 What tends to be the most challenging aspect of learning gospel styles?  23:02 How can congregations and church singers maintain vocal health?  25:53 How does technical training for gospel styles compare to others?  29:43 What has Amos learned from working with gospel choirs and leaders?  31:36 Getting started with your own gospel choir & working with Jennifer Hudson  About the presenter click HERE RELEVANT MENTIONS & LINKS Artists: Jelly Roll; Brandon Lake; Yolanda Adams; Hezekiah Walker; Jonathan McReynolds; Doe; Mahalia Jackson; Maverick City; The Choir Room; Jennifer Hudson Singing Teachers Talk Ep.126 The Business of Stories: Game-Changing Marketing Strategy Singing Teachers Talk Ep.142 How to Sing and Teach Gospel Cheryl Porter    ABOUT THE GUEST Amos Evans (Nashville-based vocal coach and producer) is known for his riveting vocal arrangements, gospel-fused approach, and contemporary touch. Amos' career includes the work of industry giants like Josh Groban, Jelly Roll, Jennifer Hudson and film productions heard from Amazon Prime to Max. As a vocal coach and producer, Amos brings 15+ years of studio recording and live background singing to train current and aspiring artists alike. His academic studies include Carnegie Mellon University (official school of the Tony Awards), Vocal Instruction at the BAST Program (Manchester, United Kingdom) and Audio Engineering at Cue Recording (Falls Church, Virginia). Currently partnering with record labels on Nashville's Music Row, Amos enjoys bringing artists' most captivating stories to life through song.  Website Instagram: @amosevansmusic BAST Training helps singers gain the confidence, knowledge, skills & understanding required to be a successful singing teacher. "The course was everything I hoped it would be and so much more. It's an investment with so much return. I would recommend this course to any teacher wanting to up-skill, refresh or start up." Kelly Taylor, NZ ...morebasttraining.com | Subscribe | Email Us | FB Group

Remember when Nashville's Music Row was lined with old houses turned publishing companies and studios? When writers walked songs across the street to publishers and artists mingled at the 16th Avenue Café? Those days are fading into memory, replaced by high-rises and corporate offices that barely resemble the creative community that built country music.In this nostalgic yet forward-looking conversation, the guys reflect on Music Row's transformation and what it means for the future of songwriting. Neil shares the surprising story of his spontaneous wedding at the Music Row Wedding Chapel ("We tracked five songs, did vocals and harmonies, and then decided to get married"), while the others reminisce about Nashville landmarks that have disappeared with time.The discussion moves beyond physical changes to the deeper shifts in how music is created and consumed today. When streaming pays fractions of pennies split between multiple songwriters, creating "forever songs" becomes economically challenging. As Kurt explains, "It's hard for songwriters to get excited anymore. I don't get excited if I see somebody putting out a song on social media because you don't make any money." Despite touting millions of streams, many artists struggle to sell concert tickets, revealing the disconnect between digital numbers and real-world impact.Yet through their frustrations, these veteran songwriters demonstrate why they've survived in the business: genuine passion for the craft. Even without financial incentive, the validation of sharing a great song idea with respected collaborators provides enough fuel to keep creating. They propose that giving songwriters a percentage of master recordings might help preserve the quality songwriting that built Nashville's reputation.Whether you're a songwriter, music industry professional, or simply a country music fan, this episode offers valuable insights into the evolution of Music City. Subscribe now and join the conversation about preserving what matters in music while embracing inevitable change.The Try That in a Small Town Podcast is powered by e|spaces! Redefining Coworking - Exceptional Office Space for Every BusinessAt e|spaces, we offer more than just office space - we provide premium private offices designed for focus and growth. Located in the heart of Music Row, our fully furnished offices, private suites, meeting rooms and podcast studio give you the perfect space to work, create and connect. Ready to elevate your business? Book a tour today at espaces.comFrom the Patriot Mobile studios:Don't get fooled by other cellular providers pretending to share your values or have the same coverage. They don't and they can't!Go to PATRIOTMOBILE.COM/SMALLTOWN or call 972-PATRIOTRight now, get a FREE MONTH when you use the offer code SMALLTOWN.Original BrandsOriginal brands is starting a new era and American domestic premium beer, American made, American owned, Original glory.Join the movement at www.drinkoriginalbrands.comFollow/Rate/Share at www.trythatinasmalltown.com -Browse the merch: https://trythatinasmalltown.com/collections/all -For advertising inquiries, email info@trythatinasmalltown.comThe Try That In A Small Town Podcast is produced by Jim McCarthy and www.ItsYourShow.co

01:05 – Dale's early days in West Virginia and how he discovered country music03:24 – Moving to Nashville and landing his first job in the industry05:02 – Creating a role by digging into classic song catalogs08:26 – Early success with George Strait and others09:09 – What makes a great record executive and song plugger11:19 – How face-to-face relationships built Music Row's foundation14:20 – Reinventing yourself through industry changes15:54 – Dale's best advice: consistency, passion, and remembering your mentors The AIMP Nashville Pubcast is a DiMe Collective Production

MICHAEL AMOS CODY chats to Paul Burke about his STREETS OF NASHVILLE, new country music, North Carolina, MTV, tragic inspiration for the novel, why done it not whodunnit and Runion.In Streets of Nashville, Ezra MacRae has a nearly encyclopedic knowledge of songs and their writers, and he has moved from the North Carolina mountains to Nashville's Music Row with the dream of becoming part of that songwriting world. Yet just as he is out on the town to celebrate his first good fortune after several years of trying-a staff songwriting contract with an independent music publisher-he witnesses the man who signed on the dotted lines with him gunned down with three others outside his Music Row office. The masked gunman spares Ezra. But why?Michael Amos Cody was born in the South Carolina Lowcountry and raised in the North Carolina highlands. He spent his twenties writing songs in Nashville and his thirties in school. He's the author of the novel Gabriel's Songbook (Pisgah Press) and short fiction that has appeared in Yemassee, Tampa Review, Still: The Journal, and elsewhere. His short story collection, A Twilight Reel (Pisgah Press) won the Short Story / Anthology category of the Feathered Quill Book Awards 2022. Cody lives with his wife Leesa in Jonesborough, Tennessee, and teaches in the Department of Literature and Language at East Tennessee State University.Author blog on Runion: https://michaelamoscody.com/2019/05/24/runion-north-carolina/Mentions: David Joy, Cormac McCarthy, Bruce Springsteen, Bob McDill, Thomas Wolfe, James Lee Burke, Heather Levy, CW Blackwell, Monster City Michael Arntfield, Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Robert Southey, Charles Brockton Brown, Peter McDade, Don DeLillo - Great Jones Street.Recommendations: anything by Tony Hillerman and the adaptation of two of his novels for streaming Dark Wind.Paul Burke writes for Monocle Magazine, Crime Time, Crime Fiction Lover and the European Literature Network, Punk Noir Magazine (fiction contribution). He is also a CWA Historical Dagger Judge 2025. His first book An Encyclopedia of  Spy Fiction will be out early 2026.Produced by Junkyard DogCrime TimeCrime Time FM is the official podcast ofGwyl Crime Cymru Festival 2023 & 2025CrimeFest 2023CWA Daggers 2023 & 2024 & National Crime Reading Month& Newcastle Noir 2023 and 20242024 Slaughterfest,

From competing in the World Championships of Hairdressing to contemplating suicide on a bridge in Florida, Cledus T Judd's journey to Nashville stardom defies all expectations. In this deeply vulnerable conversation, the country music parody artist takes us behind the laughter to reveal the demons he battled along the way.Standing in his mother's double-wide trailer, watching Vince Gill win at the CMAs, Cledus made an impossible promise that would change his life forever. With nothing but determination, he slept in walk-in closets, under parking lot lights, and drove through ice storms with frostbitten fingers – all while pursuing his unlikely dream. The turning point came when he heard Tim McGraw's "Indian Outlaw" on the radio and spontaneously created the parody that would launch his career.What makes this episode extraordinary isn't just Cledus's comedic talents, but the surprising kindness he encountered from Nashville's biggest stars. Vince Gill fulfilling a promise to meet his mother. Toby Keith offering a private plane during family emergencies and championing him to arena crowds when he couldn't be there. These aren't just celebrity encounters – they're profound moments of humanity in an often cutthroat business.Most powerful is Cledus's raw account of addiction and redemption. Standing in a hospital bathroom the day his daughter was born, cocaine in hand, he made a choice that would save his life. The quarter he dropped that day still sits in his wallet – a reminder of the moment everything changed. From reconciliation with his estranged father to heart-wrenching final conversations with his mother, Cledus reveals how the deepest pain can become purpose when channeled into helping others find recovery.This conversation will make you laugh, cry, and reconsider what you think you know about the people behind the music. Listen now and discover why humor might be the most powerful survival tool of all.The Try That in a Small Town Podcast is powered by e|spaces! Redefining Coworking - Exceptional Office Space for Every BusinessAt e|spaces, we offer more than just office space - we provide premium private offices designed for focus and growth. Located in the heart of Music Row, our fully furnished offices, private suites, meeting rooms and podcast studio give you the perfect space to work, create and connect. Ready to elevate your business? Book a tour today at espaces.comFrom the Patriot Mobile studios:Don't get fooled by other cellular providers pretending to share your values or have the same coverage. They don't and they can't!Go to PATRIOTMOBILE.COM/SMALLTOWN or call 972-PATRIOTRight now, get a FREE MONTH when you use the offer code SMALLTOWN.Original BrandsOriginal brands is starting a new era and American domestic premium beer, American made, American owned, Original glory.Join the movement at www.drinkoriginalbrands.comFollow/Rate/Share at www.trythatinasmalltown.com -Browse the merch: https://trythatinasmalltown.com/collections/all -For advertising inquiries, email info@trythatinasmalltown.comThe Try That In A Small Town Podcast is produced by Jim McCarthy and www.ItsYourShow.co

This week, the Songwriter Soup trio is joined by the incredible Connie Harrington (“I Drive Your Truck” Lee Brice, “Mine Would Be You” Blake Shelton, “No Caller ID” & “Bless Your Heart” Megan Moroney). No shortage of wisdom, truth bombs and tears on this episode, y'all. Connie has seen it all and managed to stay, not just relevant, but bar-setting

Michael Knox, the visionary producer behind Jason Aldean's groundbreaking sound, pulls back the curtain on one of country music's most remarkable success stories. Knox's candid revelations about their journey expose the harsh realities of Nashville's music business—an incredible 40 showcase rejections, multiple lost record deals, and years of struggle before breakthrough success.What makes this conversation extraordinary is hearing how Knox deliberately architected Aldean's revolutionary sound when mainstream Nashville wasn't ready for it. "The whole plan with Jason was to be Tim McGraw's nightmare, to be the replacement of that generation," Knox explains. "You can't do that if you don't cover all the bases—I can tear your head off, steal your girl, make you cry."Knox shares fascinating production stories, including how executives at Broken Bow Records first heard "Hicktown" with a broken speaker that eliminated the electric guitar parts—yet still loved it. He reveals the battles fought for now-iconic songs like "She's Country," "Big Green Tractor," and "Dirt Road Anthem"—all initially dismissed as career-ending risks by industry gatekeepers.The conversation takes a personal turn when Knox discusses his father, Buddy Knox, who had the first self-written #1 hit in rock and roll history ("Party Doll") yet remains excluded from the Rock Hall of Fame. This family connection illuminates Knox's deep understanding of the music business's often unfair nature and his determination to help Aldean succeed against overwhelming odds.What emerges is a masterclass in artistic vision and perseverance. In today's era of overnight TikTok sensations, Knox questions whether artists who haven't weathered rejection and struggle can develop the character needed for lasting careers. "These people today don't suffer like that," he reflects, celebrating the hard-earned journey that shaped Aldean's authentic connection with fans.The Try That in a Small Town Podcast is powered by e|spaces! Redefining Coworking - Exceptional Office Space for Every BusinessAt e|spaces, we offer more than just office space - we provide premium private offices designed for focus and growth. Located in the heart of Music Row, our fully furnished offices, private suites, meeting rooms and podcast studio give you the perfect space to work, create and connect. Ready to elevate your business? Book a tour today at espaces.comFrom the Patriot Mobile studios:Don't get fooled by other cellular providers pretending to share your values or have the same coverage. They don't and they can't!Go to PATRIOTMOBILE.COM/SMALLTOWN or call 972-PATRIOTRight now, get a FREE MONTH when you use the offer code SMALLTOWN.Original BrandsOriginal brands is starting a new era and American domestic premium beer, American made, American owned, Original glory.Join the movement at www.drinkoriginalbrands.comFollow/Rate/Share at www.trythatinasmalltown.com -Browse the merch: https://trythatinasmalltown.com/collections/all -For advertising inquiries, email info@trythatinasmalltown.comThe Try That In A Small Town Podcast is produced by Jim McCarthy and www.ItsYourShow.co

From sending audition tapes to Metallica and The Rolling Stones to becoming one of wrestling's most iconic figures, Hulk Hogan's journey through entertainment spans nearly five decades of unexpected twists and reinventions.In this deeply personal conversation, the 71-year-old WWE Hall of Famer pulls back the curtain on his early years, revealing how he transitioned from playing bass guitar six nights a week in southeastern clubs to wrestling as "The Super Destroyer" for just $25 a match. Hogan shares surprising stories about living in his van on Pensacola Beach, quitting wrestling multiple times to work as a longshoreman, and how Vince McMahon Sr. gave him the name that would change pop culture forever.The wrestling legend divulges shocking behind-the-scenes details about his breakthrough role as Thunderlips in Rocky III – including how he negotiated his $14,000 payment with Sylvester Stallone and subsequently got fired from the WWF for taking the part. Even more surprising is his revelation about the famous 1984 Madison Square Garden match against the Iron Sheik, where a competing promoter allegedly offered the Sheik $100,000 to legitimately break Hogan's leg.Beyond the nostalgic wrestling tales, Hogan speaks candidly about his spiritual journey, describing how he's found peace through faith after the physical toll of ten back surgeries and countless other injuries from his wrestling career. Now running Hogan's Hangout in Tampa and promoting his Real American Beer, he reflects on the profound impact his character had on generations of fans worldwide.Whether you grew up watching Hulkamania run wild or simply appreciate stories of perseverance and reinvention, this conversation offers a rare glimpse into the man behind the 24-inch pythons. Subscribe now and share your favorite Hulk Hogan memories in the comments!The Try That in a Small Town Podcast is powered by e|spaces! Redefining Coworking - Exceptional Office Space for Every BusinessAt e|spaces, we offer more than just office space - we provide premium private offices designed for focus and growth. Located in the heart of Music Row, our fully furnished offices, private suites, meeting rooms and podcast studio give you the perfect space to work, create and connect. Ready to elevate your business? Book a tour today at espaces.comFrom the Patriot Mobile studios:Don't get fooled by other cellular providers pretending to share your values or have the same coverage. They don't and they can't!Go to PATRIOTMOBILE.COM/SMALLTOWN or call 972-PATRIOTRight now, get a FREE MONTH when you use the offer code SMALLTOWN.Original BrandsOriginal brands is starting a new era and American domestic premium beer, American made, American owned, Original glory.Join the movement at www.drinkoriginalbrands.comFollow/Rate/Share at www.trythatinasmalltown.com -Browse the merch: https://trythatinasmalltown.com/collections/all -For advertising inquiries, email info@trythatinasmalltown.comThe Try That In A Small Town Podcast is produced by Jim McCarthy and www.ItsYourShow.co

Welcome back to this week's episode of Diving in Deep with your host, Sara Evans! In this episode, Sara welcomes Sam Williams, the grandson of the legendary Hank Williams Sr. and son of Hank Williams Jr. Sam shares his journey of carving out his own identity in the country music scene while navigating the challenges of being a single dad and an aspiring musician.We dive into Sam's experiences growing up in Paris, Tennessee, the impact of family legacy, and the personal tragedies that have shaped his life and music. Sam opens up about the loss of his sister and mother, and also discusses his love for music, his creative process, and the exciting new sounds he's exploring in his upcoming projects.Whether you're a fan of the Williams family's music or just love a good story, this episode is packed with heartfelt moments, laughter, and insights into the life of a rising artist in Nashville.Don't forget to like, share, and comment on the podcast! Listen to Unbroke: (https://ffm.to/seunbroke).About Sam Williams:Grandson of country pioneer Hank Williams and the son of outlaw legend Hank Jr., Sam Williams is the latest in a long line of American originals, who sings with his own singular voice and writes in his own singular style, fusing gut-wrenching honesty and plainspoken poetics with raw vulnerability and deep empathy. In 2021, Williams released his debut album, Glasshouse Children, which was a testament to his brilliant lyricism and soulful vocals and received rave reviews from Rolling Stone, Music Row, Associated Press, and so much more. In October 2022, Williams unveiled a deluxe edition of the record, which featured “Tilted Crown,” a reflective track about navigating his legacy in life. Williams followed up his debut with a string of powerful singles in 2023, along with multiple shows at the Grand Ole Opry and show-stopping performances at Nashville's CMA Fest and the UK's Country 2 Country Fest. In 2024, Sam unveiled a new poignant song “Carnival Heart” which is the official anthem for the new innovative country-themed show Songblazers: A Journey Into Country Music, produced and presented by Cirque du Soleil and Universal Music Group Nashville. His forthcoming album, Act II: Countrystar, is a vibrant and daring seven-song follow-up which underscores Williams' versatile songwriting skills. With the release of Act I: Scarlet Lonesome and Act II: COUNTRYSTAR on the way, Sam continues to prove that he is making a legacy for himself that is completely his own.LET'S BE SOCIAL:Follow Sam Williams:Instagram - (@samwillivms)Facebook - (@Sam Williams)TikTok - (@samwillivms)X - (@samwillivms)Follow Diving in Deep Podcast:Instagram –(@divingindeeppod)TikTok – (@divingindeeppod)Twitter – (@divingindeeppod)Facebook – (@divingindeeppod)Follow Sara Evans:Instagram – (@saraevansmusic)TikTok – (@saraevansmusic)Twitter – (@saraevansmusic)Facebook – (@saraevansmusic)Produced and Edited by: The Cast Collective (Nashville, TN)YouTube – (‪@TheCastCollective‬)Instagram – (@TheCastCollective)Twitter – (@TheCastCollective)Directed by: Erin DuganEdited By: Sean Dugan, Corey Williams, & Michaela Dolphhttps://www.thecastcollective.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hey there, music lovers.  Welcome to Why Music Matters, a podcast where we examine the power and influence that music can wield in our lives.   I'm your host, Jeff Miers. My guest to day is the singer/songwriter MarcScibilla.   Born in Buffalo, NY, and raised in a musical environment, Marc packed his belongings and headed south to Nashville, TN, when he was fresh out of high school, with dreams of becoming a songwriter living and working on the fabled Music Row dancing through his head.  This brave leap into the unknown may not have worked out exactly as Marc planned it, but as is often the case, the universe takes away with one hand while it gives with the other. And so, some 20 years into his career, Marc has become a success as a truly independent artist, one who has racked up hundreds of millions of listens and views across multiple streaming platforms and earned a devoted audience for his refreshingly passionate blend of folk, country, alternative and pop stylings.  Marc recently completed his first sold-out headline tour, with multiple-night runs in major markets like Chicago, Nashville, and NYC. Now, he's halfway into his first world tour as a headliner, and appears to be on the brink of a major breakthrough.  Marc joined me in the studio a few hours before performing a raucous and well-received show at Buffalo's Electric City, his first hometown gig in years.  We talked about his journey thus far, and his hopes for the future. Welcome to Why Music Matters, Marc Scibilla…

Scout Speer joins the crew for a glass of bourbon, a BS session, and a great conversation about music, hunting, and the wild mix of adrenaline and stillness that ties it all together. From college soccer to a budding music career with Interstate Music, Scout breaks down her path to becoming an artist, what it's like getting discovered on Music Row, and how duck blinds and heartbreak both end up in her lyrics. We get into her first deer hunting experience, buck fever, missed shots, and talk about the emotional rollercoaster that is being a hunter. Duck hunting is her favorite, but she's recently picked up a bow and has plans for Turkey season, too. There's also a preview of some upcoming tracks (spoiler: they're not just breakup songs), including a soon-to-drop single that captures her life in camo and sunsets. If you've ever tried to explain the pull of the outdoors or the adrenaline rush of watching a buck come into view, this one will hit home. Scout's journey is just getting started, and we're rooting for her every step (and season) of the way. Give her a follow @scoutspeer and keep an eye out for "F-250" dropping May 30. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Music was her lifeline in a world of chaos. Join host Patrick Custer for an intimate conversation with Firerose Cyrus, an Australian-born singer-songwriter whose inspiring journey of resilience, recovery, and reinvention is as powerful as her music.In this heartfelt conversation, Firerose shares her experiences of chasing dreams across the globe while battling a silent storm. From her early days surrounded by classical musicians to discovering her passion for pop music, she opens up about the challenges she faced, including the struggles with addiction and the journey to reclaim her power. This episode is a beautiful reminder of the strength found in vulnerability and the power of art, sponsors, and religion to heal. Tune in for a story that goes beyond the headlines and dives deep into the heart of resilience. __________________Follow/Watch/Listen/Subscribe: ⁠⁠Instagram:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @rootedrecoverystories⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Tiktok:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @patrickcusterproject⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @rootedrecoverystories⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @rootedrecoverystories⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.rootedrecoverystories.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠__________________Cast:Patrick Custer - HostInstagram:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @thepatrickcuster⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Tiktok:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@thepatrickcuster⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@thepatrickcuster⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@thepatrickcuster⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/patrickcuster⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Firerose Cyrus - GuestInstagram:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠@fireroseYouTube: @firerose-cyrusSpotify: @fireroseWebsite: ⁠www.firerosemusic.com__________________Get Help (addiction, mental health/trauma):Promises Behavioral HealthCall: (888) 648-4098Website:⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.promises.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@promises_bh⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠__________________About Firerose: When Firerose Cyrus talks about her lifelong passion for songwriting, she means that she's had it since the time she could literally talk. Coming home from grade school, she would pen tunes about her day, and felt that music was the meaning of life. The Sydney, Australia-born and raised, Nashville, Tennessee-based artist has always written songs to process her deepest emotions. “I always believed that my purpose on earth was fulfilled by music,” says Firerose, “and helping people up with a song I wrote gives everything so much meaning. I write from a place in my soul that's unexplainable and I'm incredibly grateful for this gift that allows me to touch people so profoundly.” Applauded by Rolling Stone for her "atmospheric ballads and lilting leads” Firerose is a unique talent and internationally critically acclaimed artist. With her unmistakably pure crystalline voice, Firerose transcends genres and captivates listeners with her deeply meaningful lyrics about the miracles God has performed in her life. Her fearlessly honest songwriting and distinctive melodic style are matched with her powerful personal story of life-saving faith and overcoming addiction. Firerose is an authentic storyteller and her inspirational songs that celebrate rising from the ashes are undeniably uplifting. Firerose's hit “Plans” climbed to No. 16 on both Billboard's Adult Contemporary chart and Mediabase's Adult Contemporary chart in 2023. Firerose has graced the Grand Ole Opry stage many times and performed on national television including “ACM Honors,” “The Kelly Clarkson Show,” “Good Morning America,” "LIVE with Kelly and Ryan," “GMA3” and has been featured in Rolling Stone, Billboard, People Magazine, American Songwriter, Stellar Magazine, Music Row, Entertainment Tonight, Us Weekly, Taste of Country, CNN, Fox News, iHeartRadio, CMT, The Today Show Australia, Today In Nashville and many more.

Country music maverick John Rich pulls no punches in this raw, unfiltered conversation about his remarkable journey through the Nashville music scene. Describing himself as an "anomaly chaser," Rich reveals how his greatest successes came from championing the unexpected talents and sounds that traditional Nashville often rejected.The multi-platinum artist and three-time ASCAP Songwriter of the Year takes us behind the curtain of the legendary "Music Mafia" movement – 72 consecutive Tuesday night jam sessions at Nashville's tiny Pub of Love that launched the careers of Gretchen Wilson, Big & Rich, and others. Rich's storytelling about fighting to include "Save a Horse (Ride a Cowboy)" on an album when executives insisted it would ruin their credibility offers a master class in trusting artistic instincts over industry formulas.From his early firing from Lone Star to writing Jason Aldean's breakthrough hits ("Hicktown," "Amarillo Sky"), Rich shares the hard-won wisdom of building a sustainable career through unwavering authenticity. The conversation takes surprising turns as he candidly discusses his spiritual awakening and transformation in his 40s, leading to a deeper purpose behind his music and public voice.Perhaps most compelling is Rich's unflinching account of speaking truth to power – including confronting former President Trump about vaccines at a private dinner with senators present. This commitment to conviction regardless of consequences reflects his approach to both his faith and his craft – an unwillingness to compromise his values for acceptance or approval.Whether you're a longtime country music fan or simply appreciate stories of resilience and reinvention, this episode offers a rare glimpse into the mind of an artist who has consistently defied industry expectations while creating some of country music's most enduring anthems. Subscribe now and join us for an unforgettable conversation about music, faith, and the courage to stand your ground.The Try That in a Small Town Podcast is powered by e|spaces! Redefining Coworking - Exceptional Office Space for Every BusinessAt e|spaces, we offer more than just office space - we provide premium private offices designed for focus and growth. Located in the heart of Music Row, our fully furnished offices, private suites, meeting rooms and podcast studio give you the perfect space to work, create and connect. Ready to elevate your business? Book a tour today at espaces.comFrom the Patriot Mobile studios:Don't get fooled by other cellular providers pretending to share your values or have the same coverage. They don't and they can't!Go to PATRIOTMOBILE.COM/SMALLTOWN or call 972-PATRIOTRight now, get a FREE MONTH when you use the offer code SMALLTOWN.Original BrandsOriginal brands is starting a new era and American domestic premium beer, American made, American owned, Original glory.Join the movement at www.drinkoriginalbrands.comFollow/Rate/Share at www.trythatinasmalltown.com -Browse the merch: https://trythatinasmalltown.com/collections/all -For advertising inquiries, email info@trythatinasmalltown.comThe Try That In A Small Town Podcast is produced by Jim McCarthy and www.ItsYourShow.co

Episode 3 of Music Citizens tells the story of Brent Arledge who is the most prolific piano tuner in Nashville, and possibly the world. He tunes the Ryman, the Schermerhorn and the Grand Ole Opry. He services dozens of studios and is trusted in the homes of countless Nashville musicians. Arledge's craft can be heard on every song coming out of Music Row that features piano.But elite piano tuning is grueling work. It's taxing on the body, it strains relationships, and it never leads to fame or glory. How does someone become the top piano tuner in Nashville? And why would they want to?Voices in the episode include: Jason Moon Wilkins — Host Justin Barney — Reporter, Producer Brent Arledge — Piano Technician James Arledge — Piano Technician T Bone Burnett— Producer, musician Ian Fitchuk — Producer, musician Georgia Middleman— Singer/songwriter This episode was produced by Justin Barney, Emily Siner and Jason Moon Wilkins. Mixing and Mastering by Michael Pollard. Special thanks to Tony Gonzalez, Jewly Hight, Rachel Iacovone, Char Daston, Tasha A.F. Lemley, Meribah Knight, Jesse Strauss, Carly Butler, Stephanie O'Byrne, and everyone who helped.Institutional support from Tennessee Arts Commission, Metro Arts Thrive and First Horizon Foundation. Follow WNXP on social platforms as @WNXPNashville

Episode 3 of Music Citizens tells the story of Brent Arledge who is the most prolific piano tuner in Nashville, and possibly the world. He tunes the Ryman, the Schermerhorn and the Grand Ole Opry. He services dozens of studios and is trusted in the homes of countless Nashville musicians. Arledge's craft can be heard on every song coming out of Music Row that features piano.But elite piano tuning is grueling work. It's taxing on the body, it strains relationships, and it never leads to fame or glory. How does someone become the top piano tuner in Nashville? And why would they want to?Voices in the episode include: Jason Moon Wilkins — Host Justin Barney — Reporter, Producer Brent Arledge — Piano Technician James Arledge — Piano Technician T Bone Burnett— Producer, musician Ian Fitchuk — Producer, musician Georgia Middleman— Singer/songwriter This episode was produced by Justin Barney, Emily Siner and Jason Moon Wilkins. Mixing and Mastering by Michael Pollard. Special thanks to Tony Gonzalez, Jewly Hight, Rachel Iacovone, Char Daston, Tasha A.F. Lemley, Meribah Knight, Jesse Strauss, Carly Butler, Stephanie O'Byrne, and everyone who helped.Institutional support from Tennessee Arts Commission, Metro Arts Thrive and First Horizon Foundation. Follow WNXP on social platforms as @WNXPNashville

Brent Arledge is the most prolific piano tuner in Nashville, and possibly the world. He tunes the Ryman, the Schermerhorn and the Grand Ole Opry. He services dozens of studios and is trusted in the homes of countless Nashville musicians. Arledge's craft can be heard on every song coming out of Music Row that features piano.But elite piano tuning is grueling work. It's taxing on the body, it strains relationships, and it never leads to fame or glory. Arledge is the subject of episode 3 of WNXP's Music Citizens podcast. You can listen everywhere you get your podcasts on Monday.

Music Row has changed a lot through the years, but it's a place that tells a very special and very Nashville story. Plus, the local news for April 3, 2025,and painted dove memorials. Credits: This is a production of Nashville Public RadioHost/producer: Nina CardonaEditor: Miriam KramerAdditional support: Mack Linebaugh, Tony Gonzalez, Rachel Iacovone, LaTonya Turner and the staff of WPLN and WNXP

Music Citizens Episode 3: The Tuner ready for launch on Monday, April 7th.Episode 3 of Music Citizens tracks down Brent Arledge, Nashville's, and possibly the world's most prolific piano tuner. Arledge has played an uncredited part of every top ten hit featuring piano to come out of Music Row for the past 25 years. He tunes The Ryman, The Schermerhorn and The Grand Ole Opry. He is trusted in the homes of so many Nashville musicians. In a city that is often so good at recognizing the key players on a song, service workers like Arledge are often forgotten. This episode gives credit where credit is due.

Music Citizens Episode 3: The Tuner ready for launch on Sunday, April 6th.Episode 3 of Music Citizens tracks down Brent Arledge, Nashville's, and possibly the world's most prolific piano tuner. Arledge has played an uncredited part of every top ten hit featuring piano to come out of Music Row for the past 25 years. He tunes The Ryman, The Schermerhorn and The Grand Ole Opry. He is trusted in the homes of so many Nashville musicians. In a city that is often so good at recognizing the key players on a song, service workers like Arledge are often forgotten. This episode gives credit where credit is due.

Senator Marsha Blackburn steps into our world of irreverent music talk and delivers something unexpected – a candid glimpse into her political future and passionate defense of songwriters' rights that left us all captivated.The conversation begins with her powerful statement on creators' constitutional rights. "Songwriters, our creators, our musicians have a constitutional right to benefit from their creations," she explains, grounding her advocacy in Article I, Section 8, Clause 8 of the Constitution. As musicians ourselves, we immediately recognize we're talking with someone who fundamentally understands our industry's challenges.She breaks down her legislative initiatives with clarity rarely seen from politicians discussing creative industries. The No Fakes Act tackles AI's threat to artists' voices and likenesses, while her groundbreaking Songwriters Equity Act allows creators to pay capital gains rather than ordinary income tax when selling their catalogs. "A catalog is not an album. A catalog is your life work," she explains, capturing the essence of a songwriter's business reality in one perfect line.When discussing her recent FCC letter addressing modern payola practices, we share our own experiences with radio stations demanding free performances for airplay. The conversation reveals her deep understanding of how industry exploitation evolves and her commitment to countering it with practical solutions.Then comes the moment that caught us completely off guard – her forthright answer about running for Tennessee governor: "I'm giving a good, serious look at running for governor. And if I run, I will win." This unscripted revelation speaks volumes about both her confidence and comfort level with our podcast's freewheeling style.The episode wraps with her vision for America's conservative future and Tennessee's potential leadership role. Whether you're a musician concerned about your rights, a policy wonk interested in creative economy issues, or just someone who enjoys genuine conversations with public figures, this episode offers surprising insights and unfiltered moments you won't hear in traditional political interviews.The Try That in a Small Town Podcast is powered by e|spaces! Redefining Coworking - Exceptional Office Space for Every BusinessAt e|spaces, we offer more than just office space - we provide premium private offices designed for focus and growth. Located in the heart of Music Row, our fully furnished offices, private suites, meeting rooms and podcast studio give you the perfect space to work, create and connect. Ready to elevate your business? Book a tour today at espaces.comFrom the Patriot Mobile studios:Don't get fooled by other cellular providers pretending to share your values or have the same coverage. They don't and they can't!Go to PATRIOTMOBILE.COM/SMALLTOWN or call 972-PATRIOTRight now, get a FREE MONTH when you use the offer code SMALLTOWN.Original BrandsOriginal brands is starting a new era and American domestic premium beer, American made, American owned, Original glory.Join the movement at www.drinkoriginalbrands.comFollow/Rate/Share at www.trythatinasmalltown.com -Browse the merch: https://trythatinasmalltown.com/collections/all -For advertising inquiries, email info@trythatinasmalltown.comThe Try That In A Small Town Podcast is produced by Jim McCarthy and www.ItsYourShow.co

This week Reid and Dan host one of the hottest artists in Nashville, Stephen Wilson Jr. A former biologist turned musical artist sat with the guys and broke down his unorthodox journey that landed him on Music Row. The guys share their love of boxing and Stephen breaks down what it looked like boxing in rings across the southeast and following in his father's footsteps. He shares his love of the outdoors and a coveted family recipe that was a wild game special for every sunday. The three of them breakdown the importance of lyrics and how a song can change the trajectory of your life, as it did Stephen Wilson Jr.s.. The episode ends with the most epic gravorite story that Reid and Dan never saw coming! God's Country on Instagram, TikTok, and Facebook MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, and Youtube Clips Subscribe to The MeatEater Podcast Network on YouTube Shop God's Country Merch Shop MeatEater MerchSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

When DC Draino (A.K.A. Rogan O'Handley) walked away from a prestigious Hollywood entertainment law career and a $500,000 salary offer, he wasn't just changing jobs – he was answering what he describes as a divine calling to join a battle for America's soul. This captivating conversation reveals the extraordinary personal costs of standing up for conservative principles in hostile territory. As a successful attorney representing major entertainment clients, Rogan created an anonymous Instagram account called @DC_ Drano to express his political views while maintaining his professional facade. What began as a secret outlet transformed into a life-altering mission that led him to sell his California home, end relationships, and move across the country with no guarantee of success."I truly believe God is calling up the officers of his army to lead the troops into this biblical battle," Rogan explains, framing his dramatic life change as part of a larger spiritual purpose. His story resonates with anyone who's faced the difficult choice between comfortable conformity and speaking their truth.The conversation takes fascinating turns as Rogan shares intimate details of dining with President Trump at Mar-a-Lago, including Trump's special pretzel bread "with a layer of frosting" of salt, his role as DJ for the dining room, and how he introduces guests. Rogan also recounts his surreal experience being handed the Epstein files in the White House and meeting with officials in the current administration.Beyond personal anecdotes, this episode explores significant cultural shifts like the surprising conservative tilt among younger generations and the judicial resistance facing the Trump administration. For anyone interested in the intersection of personal conviction, politics, and America's cultural evolution, this conversation offers extraordinary insights from someone who left everything behind to follow his principles.The Try That in a Small Town Podcast is powered by e|spaces! Redefining Coworking - Exceptional Office Space for Every BusinessAt e|spaces, we offer more than just office space - we provide premium private offices designed for focus and growth. Located in the heart of Music Row, our fully furnished offices, private suites, meeting rooms and podcast studio give you the perfect space to work, create and connect. Ready to elevate your business? Book a tour today at espaces.comFrom the Patriot Mobile studios:Don't get fooled by other cellular providers pretending to share your values or have the same coverage. They don't and they can't!Go to PATRIOTMOBILE.COM/SMALLTOWN or call 972-PATRIOTRight now, get a FREE MONTH when you use the offer code SMALLTOWN.Original BrandsOriginal brands is starting a new era and American domestic premium beer, American made, American owned, Original glory.Join the movement at www.drinkoriginalbrands.comFollow/Rate/Share at www.trythatinasmalltown.com -Browse the merch: https://trythatinasmalltown.com/collections/all -For advertising inquiries, email info@trythatinasmalltown.comThe Try That In A Small Town Podcast is produced by Jim McCarthy and www.ItsYourShow.co

Hello Backstory Fans! In this episode, we dive into the excitement of Spring's arrival, sharing our thoughts on the season and a mysterious uptick in our podcast listens. We discuss everything from fun new mottos for Pennsylvania to the unpredictable nature of the podcasting world. Then, join us for an exhilarating journey with our guest, Jennie Smythe, a creative force in the music industry whose latest memoir "Becoming Girlilla" is making waves. Discover how she transitioned from watching MTV to shaping her own path in music, and learn about the inspiring influences that guided her all the way to Music Row. You'll hear personal stories that delve deep into the challenges of aligning one's passion with their profession, the role of supportive mentors, and the profound questions life throws at us. It's a heartfelt conversation about finding your true self and the power of connection. So cozy up and enjoy this enriching session with us!

Episode 315: Adam Wright is one of the most thoughtful wordsmiths in the Nashville songwriting community, one who's seen all sides of the Music Row machine. Working for a dozen years with Carnival Music, he's carved a niche for himself, scoring a couple of Grammy Award nominations and landing cuts by Lee Ann Womack, Alan Jackson, Garth Brooks, Brandy Clark and Bruce Robison, among others. When he sets aside time to write songs purely for himself as an artist, remarkable things happen, and now he's releasing an epic 18-song collection called Nature Of Necessity, a masterwork that could only have been realized in Music City.

Performing rights may not be the sexiest part of the music industry, but they are a major backbone of Nashville's Music Row. Plus, the local news for March 20, 2025, and the fight over fluoride. Credits: This is a production of Nashville Public RadioHost/producer: Nina CardonaEditor: Miriam KramerAdditional support: Mack Linebaugh, Tony Gonzalez, Rachel Iacovone, LaTonya Turner and the staff of WPLN and WNXP

What happens when the mission ends? For Josh Burch, a 20-year veteran Green Beret, the transition from elite warrior to civilian brought unexpected challenges that mirror those faced by countless veterans. From humble beginnings as a high school dropout working construction jobs in Tennessee, Josh's life changed course when his grandfather shared a simple but profound piece of wisdom: "As iron sharpens iron, one man sharpens another."That moment set Josh on a path that would lead through the grueling Special Forces selection process, mastering Arabic, and numerous deployments to the Middle East. But perhaps his greatest challenge came after hanging up his uniform. Like many veterans, Josh initially planned to simply hunt and fish in retirement. Instead, he discovered a deeper calling that speaks to anyone facing major life transitions.Now serving as the director of people for the Honor Foundation, Josh helps special operations veterans navigate the complex journey from military to civilian life. The three-month program addresses not just practical concerns like resume building, but the more profound challenges of identity and purpose. "For so long we've been a part of something bigger than ourselves," Josh explains, "and being a Green Beret, that's who I was, but that's not who I am."His insights on finding purpose after losing a defining identity resonate beyond military circles. Whether you're leaving a career, changing direction, or searching for meaning in a new chapter of life, Josh's experience offers valuable perspective on what it means to remain part of something bigger than yourself.Ready to be inspired? Listen now and discover how small town values of community, mentorship, and service continue to shape Josh's mission to ensure no warrior faces their next battle alone.The Try That in a Small Town Podcast is powered by e|spaces! Redefining Coworking - Exceptional Office Space for Every BusinessAt e|spaces, we offer more than just office space - we provide premium private offices designed for focus and growth. Located in the heart of Music Row, our fully furnished offices, private suites, meeting rooms and podcast studio give you the perfect space to work, create and connect. Ready to elevate your business? Book a tour today at espaces.comFrom the Patriot Mobile studios:Don't get fooled by other cellular providers pretending to share your values or have the same coverage. They don't and they can't!Go to PATRIOTMOBILE.COM/SMALLTOWN or call 972-PATRIOTRight now, get a FREE MONTH when you use the offer code SMALLTOWN.Original BrandsOriginal brands is starting a new era and American domestic premium beer, American made, American owned, Original glory.Join the movement at www.drinkoriginalbrands.comFollow/Rate/Share at www.trythatinasmalltown.com -Browse the merch: https://trythatinasmalltown.com/collections/all -For advertising inquiries, email info@trythatinasmalltown.comThe Try That In A Small Town Podcast is produced by Jim McCarthy and www.ItsYourShow.co

Craig Wiseman is a GRAMMY-winning songwriter with over 30 No. 1 country hits. Originally from Hattiesburg, Mississippi, he has written songs for Tim McGraw, Blake Shelton, Kenny Chesney, and Florida Georgia Line, including “Live Like You Were Dying,” “The Good Stuff,” and “Summertime.” He founded Big Loud, now a major Nashville music company, and was inducted into the Nashville Songwriters Hall of Fame in 2015.In part one of this episode, we discuss his journey from Mississippi to Music Row, the stories behind his biggest songs, and his writing process. Part two covers the founding of Big Loud, his advice for songwriters, and more.This episode's "stat of the week" is brought to you by https://chartmetric.com/.New Episodes every Tuesday.Find the host Troy Cartwright on Twitter, Instagram. Social Channels for Ten Year Town:YoutubeFacebookInstagramTwitterTikTokThis podcast was produced by Ben VanMaarth. Intro and Outro music for this episode was composed by Troy Cartwright, Monty Criswell, and Derek George. It is called "Same" and you can listen to it in it's entirety here. Additional music for this episode was composed by Thomas Ventura. Artwork design by Brad Vetter. Creative Direction by Mary Lucille Noah.

This Week on Diving in Deep as Sara welcomes the incredible trio, Chapel Heart! Discovered on America's Got Talent, Danica, Devynn, and Trea are breaking barriers in country music and bringing their unique sound to the forefront.In this episode, they dive into their journey, from their roots in a large musical family to their experiences busking on the streets of New Orleans. Get ready for laughter, heartfelt stories, and a glimpse into their close-knit relationship as they share their experiences of growing up together and navigating the music industry. Plus, they treat Sara to a special performance of one of their most popular songs!Listen to Unbroke: (https://ffm.to/seunbroke)About Chapel Hart:Danica and Devynn Hart along with their cousin Trea Swindle, make up Chapel Hart, a band that mixes the sweet elements of southern country music and with the powerful sounds of gospel music. They have proven that they are truly a force to be reckoned with. These three ladies have been featured in publications such as People, Rolling Stone and Parade magazine to television appearances including the Huckabee Show, Tamron Hall and The Today Show. They have been named as one of CMT's Next Women of Country, Music Row's Next Big Thing, CMT's Listen Up Artist as well as Opry Next Stage Artists. These ladies have found a way to gift wrap their Mississippi roots & Louisiana spunk and share it with listeners around the world.LET'S BE SOCIAL:Follow Chapel Hart:Instagram – (@chapelhartband)Tiktok – (@chapelhartband)Twitter/X – (@chapelhartband)YouTube – (@chapelhart)Facebook – (@chapelhart)Website – chapelhart.comFollow Diving in Deep Podcast:Instagram –(@divingindeeppod)TikTok – (@divingindeeppod)Twitter – (@divingindeeppod)Facebook – (@divingindeeppod)Follow Sara Evans: Instagram – (@saraevansmusic)TikTok – (@saraevansmusic)Twitter – (@saraevansmusic)Facebook – (@saraevansmusic)Produced and Edited by: The Cast Collective (Nashville, TN)YouTube – ( @TheCastCollective )Instagram – (@TheCastCollective)Twitter – (@TheCastCollective)Directed by: Erin DuganEdited By: Sean Dugan, Corey Williams, & Michaela Dolphhttps://www.thecastcollective.com

As a female artist in Nashville, history suggests that the quickest path to success is somehow aligning oneself with one of the major publishers, producers, songwriters, labels, or managers that are the heart of Music Row. So what do you do if you are a female artist in Nashville, and also happen to be the granddaughter of musical icon, Willie Nelson?You hook up with an independent producer and veteran of the rock/punk scene, write some songs that are part Loretta Lynn, part Cheap Trick, and form the Raelyn Nelson Band. "I don't really have any desire to be a  'solo-artist'. Everyone in my family who plays music has always placed a lot of importance on band chemistry, on stage, off stage and in the studio. Our band can almost read each other's minds. Why would I mess with that? We try to keep it simple: Write songs we like, record them, make a video, then go out and play them for people."- Raelyn Nelson www.raelynnelsonband.comInstagram @raelynnelsonband You tube: https://youtu.be/S-3usNaqB5ohttps://www.facebook.com/raelynnelsonband"Still on the Run" - https://www.fbrmusic.com/Host - Trey MitchellIG - treymitchellphotography IG - feeding_the_senses_unsensoredFB - facebook.com/profile.php?id=100074368084848Threads - www.threads.net/@treymitchellphotographySponsorship Information/Guest Suggestions  -  ftsunashville@gmail.com

Country music fans, mark your calendars! Randy Houser is set to light up the Marshall-Putnam Fair on July 17, 2025, at the fairgrounds in Henry, Illinois. Known for hits like "How Country Feels" and "Runnin' Outta Moonlight," Houser will take the stage as the headliner, promising an unforgettable night. The event will also feature performances by Timothy Wayne and local talent Brody Vancil. Don't miss this chance to enjoy a night of great music and summer fun! Tickets go on sale February 7, 2025, at 8 AM via marshallputnamfair.org. Country music artist Randy Houser continues to make waves with his distinctive, soulful voice and chart-topping hits. Known for his richly textured vocals, described by The New York Times as "a caldron bubbling over," Houser has amassed over a billion streams and a string of successful singles. His album How Country Feels dominated the charts, featuring fan favorites like "Runnin' Outta Moonlight" and "Goodnight Kiss," the latter earning him his first No. 1 as a songwriter. Houser's latest release, Note To Self, showcases his songwriting prowess with 10 co-written tracks, including the lead single of the same name. MusicRow hails him as "one of country music's very finest vocalists," solidifying his place in the genre's elite. Country music fans are in for a treat as rising star Timothy Wayne takes the stage, opening for Randy Houser on his upcoming tour. Fresh off signing with Capitol Records Nashville, Wayne has already made waves with his singles "Guy With a Guitar" and "God Made a Country Boy." The event will also showcase local talent Brody Vancil, who will perform before Wayne. This lineup promises a night of heartfelt storytelling and authentic country melodies, marking a significant moment for all three artists. The concert will take place at the Marshall-Putnam Fairgrounds in Henry, Illinois. Gates open at 5:30 PM, and the show starts at 7:00 PM.

Dr. Darrell Martin is an OB/GYN with four decades of expertise in women's health and the author of the bestselling memoir “In Good Hands: A Doctor's Story of Breaking Barriers for Midwifery and Birth Rights.” In this episode, Dr. Martin and Meagan walk down memory lane talking about differences in birth from when he started practicing to when he retired. He even testified before Congress to fight for the rights of Certified Nurse Midwives and for patients' freedom to select their healthcare providers! Dr. Martin also touches on the important role of doulas and why midwifery observation is a huge asset during a VBAC.Dr. Martin's TikTokIn Good Hands: A Doctor's Story of Breaking Barriers for Midwifery and Birth RightsDr. Martin's WebsiteCoterie DiapersUse code VBAC20 at checkout for 20% off your first order of $40 or more.How to VBAC: The Ultimate Prep Course for ParentsFull Transcript under Episode Details Meagan: Hello, everybody. We have Dr. Darrell Martin joining us today. Dr. Martin hasn't really been in the OB world as of recently, but has years and years and over 5000 babies of experience. He wrote a book called, “In Good Hands: A Doctor's Story of Breaking Barriers for Midwifery and Birth Rights.” We wanted to have him on and talk just a little bit more about this book and his history. That is exactly what he did. He walked us down memory lane, told us lots of crazy stories, and good stories, and things they did along the way to really advocate for birth rights and midwives in their area. Dr. Darrell Martin is a gynecologist, a dedicated healthcare advocate with four decades of expertise in women's health, and the author of the bestselling memoir, “In Good Hands: A Doctor's Story of Breaking Barriers for Midwifery and Birth Rights.” His dedication to patient care and choice propelled him to testify before Congress, championing the rights of Certified Nurse Midwives (CNMs) and advocating for patients' freedom to select their healthcare providers. A standout moment in his career was his fervent support for nurse-midwifery in Nashville, Tennessee, showcasing his commitment to advancing the profession. Additionally, Dr. Martin takes great pride in having played a pivotal role, in like I said, more than 5,000 births, marking a legacy of life and joy he has helped bring into the world.Our interview was wonderful. We really walked down what he had seen and what he had gone through to testify before Congress. We also talked about being safe with your provider, and the time that he put into his patients. We know that today we don't have the time with our providers and a lot of time with OBs because of hospital time and restricting how many patients they see per day and all of those things. But really, he encourages you to find a provider who you feel safe with and trust. I am excited for you guys to hear today's episode. I would love to hear what your thoughts were, but definitely check out the book, “In Good Hands: A Doctor's Story of Breaking Barriers for Midwifery and Birth Rights.”Meagan: Okay, you guys. I really am so excited to be recording with Dr. Martin today. We actually met a month ago from the time of this recording just to chitchat and get a better feel for one another. I hung up and was like, “Yes. Yes. I am so excited to be talking with Dr. Martin. You guys, he has been through quite the journey which you can learn a lot more about in more depth through his book. We are going to talk right there really quick. Dr. Martin, welcome to the show. Can we dive into your book very first? Dr. Darrell Martin: Surely. Thank you. Meagan: Yeah. I think your book goes with who you are and your history, so we will cover both. Dr. Darrell Martin: Okay, okay. Meagan: Tell us more. Darrell Martin's book is “In Good Hands”. First of all, I have to say that I love the picture. It's baby's little head. It's just so awesome. Okay, we've got “In Good Hands: A Doctor's Story of Breaking Barriers for Midwifery and Birth Rights.” Just right there, that title is so powerful. I feel like with VBAC specifically, if we are going to dive into VBAC specifically, there are a lot of barriers that need to be broken within the world of birth. We need to keep understanding our birth rights. We also have had many people who have had their rights taken away as midwives. They can't even help someone who wants to VBAC in a lot of areas. A lot of power is in this book. Tell us a little bit more about this book and how it came about. Dr. Darrell Martin: Well, the book came because of patients. As I was heading into my final run prior to retirement, that last 6-8 months, and I use that term, but it shouldn't be patient. It should be client because patient would imply that they have an illness. Occasionally, they do have some problems, but in reality, they are first the client wanting a service. I thought my role as to provide this service and listen to them about what that was and what they wanted to have occur. In response to the question of what was I going to do when I retired, I just almost casually said, “I'm going to write a book.” The book evolved into the story of my life because so much of the patients and clients when they would come to me were sharing their life, and they were sharing what was going on in their life. Amazingly, it was always amazing to me that in 3 or 4 minutes of an initial meeting, they would sometimes open up about their deepest, darkest secrets and it was a safe place for them to share. I always was blown away with that. I respected that. Many times there were friends of my wife who would come in. I would not dare share a single thing notwithstanding the fact that there were HIPAA regulations, but the right thing was they were sharing with me their life. I thought, “I'm going to turn that around as much as I can by sharing my life with them.” It was an homage to that group of individuals so I would like them to see where I was coming from as I was helping them. That was the goal. That was the intent. Secondarily, for my grandchildren and hopefully the great-grandchildren that come whether I'm here or not because including them with that was the history of my entire American heritage and my grandfather coming over or as we would call him Nono, coming over to the United States and to a better place to better a life for his family. Our name was changed from Marta to Martin at Ellis Island. I wanted that story of his sacrifice for his family and subsequently my uncles' sacrifice and my parents' sacrifice for the priority they placed on families. That was for my children as well and grandchildren. There were a lot of old pictures that we had that we pulled out and that didn't occur in the book because there wasn't enough money to produce a lot of those pictures into the book, but they will be there in a separate place for my kids and grandkids. It was a two-fold reason to do the book. It started just as a narrative. I started typing away. The one funny ironic, and I don't know if ironic is the right word, story as I was growing up, is that people as my why I become an OB/GYN. I'm sure this was not the reason, but it's interesting as I reflected that growing up, it was apparently difficult for my mother to have me. I was her only child. She always would say I was spoiled nice, but I was definitely spoiled. When she was mad at me, the one thing she would say, and I didn't understand it until much later when I was actually probably in medical school, was that I was a dry birth and I was breech, and I just ruined her bottom. When she really got aggravated occasionally, she would say those little words to me as I was probably a teenager. Then on reflection, I became an OB/GYN so I really understood what she was saying then. Meagan: It was interesting that you said the words “dry birth” because my mom, when my water broke with my second, she was telling me that I was going to have this dry birth. She was like, “If you don't go in, you're going to have this dry birth.” So many people I have said that to are like, “What? I have never heard of that in my entire life,” and you just said that, so it really was a thing. It really was something that was said. Dr. Darrell Martin: Yes. It was a term back then in the late 40s to late 50s I guess. Meagan: Crazy. So you were inspired. You decided to do the OB route. Tell us a little bit of how that started and then how you changed over the years. Dr. Darrell Martin: Well, when I was in med school, and I went to West Virginia University Medical School, principally, it was fortunate because I would say in retrospect, they were probably lower middle class. I had the opportunity to go to West Virginia. Literally, my tuition per semester was $500. Meagan: Oh my gosh. Dr. Darrell Martin: My parents didn't have to dig into money they didn't have. They never had to borrow any money, so I was fortunate. I did have a scholarship to college. They didn't have to put out the money with the little they had saved. The affordability was there and never an issue. I went to West Virginia, and in my second year, I guess I connected a little bit with some of the docs and some of the chair of the department in West Virginia, Dr. Walter Bonnie, who I didn't realize at the time had left. He was the chairman of Vanderbilt before he was the chairman of West Virginia so now I understand why he was pointing me to either go to Vanderbilt or to Duke. I think I'm fortunate that I went to Vanderbilt. In spite of everything that happened, it was the path I was supposed to take. I did a little rotation as a 2nd-year medical student with some private OBs. I was just amazed. I was enthralled by the intervention of the episiotomies I observed. I said, “Well, you're going to learn how to sew.” What really struck me was that I went into this. I still can picture it. It was a large room where there were probably four or six women laboring. They had almost one of the baby beds. They had the thing where you can pull up the sides so someone couldn't get out of the bed. I couldn't figure out why someone in labor was like this. There was a lady there. I'll never forget. She had been given scopolamine which is the amnesiac which was often used where women sometimes don't even know where they are. They don't even have memory of where they are. She was underneath the bed on all fours barking like a dog. I asked him, “Why are you not going to let her husband in here?” They were saying things they probably shouldn't say under the influence of these crazy drugs. It made me start thinking even from that point on, “Why are they doing this? Why are they zapping them so much in the way of drugs?” Then I didn't see or understand fetal monitoring. We didn't have it at West Virginia. It came in my residency. It had just come in the first year prior to that, and the new maternal-fetal head at Vanderbilt brought in fetal monitoring. He had done some of the original research with Dr. Han at Yale. What I was doing a medical student during my rotations was sitting at the bedside. That's what we as medical students were responsible to do. Sit at the bedside. Palpate the abdomen. Sit with the fetoscope, the little one you stick around your head and put down, and count the heartbeats. We would be there six or eight hours. We were responsible for drawing all of the blood, but more importantly, we were there observing labor. Albeit, they weren't allowed to get up, but it was just the connection and I loved that connection. I loved that sense of connecting with people, and then that evolved into you connecting with them when they come back for their visits. I've had quite a few people who I've seen for 20, 30, 35 years annually. That became a much more than just doing a pelvic exam, blah, blah, blah. It became a connection. It was a communication of, “What's going on in your life? What's happening?” Meagan: A true friendship. Dr. Darrell Martin: Yes. Meagan: It became true friendships with these parents and these mothers. I think that says a lot about you as a provider. Yeah. That makes us feel more connected and safe. Dr. Darrell Martin: Yeah. I desperately miss that. I still miss that as a vocation and that connection. I would look forward to it. I would look on the schedule, “Who's coming in?” I could remember things about them that we would deal with for 15 years or more. One client of mine who, we would begin by, “How are you doing?” We would still go back to when her son was at a college in Florida and was on a bicycle and got hit and killed. We were relating and discussing that 15 years later. It was a place where she knew that we would go back to that point and talk a little bit about her feelings and it's much more important to me. If everything's fine doing a breast exam and doing a pelvic exam, listening to the heart and lungs, that's all normal and perfunctory. It's important, but what's really important is that connection. My goal also was, if I could, to leave the person as they went out the door laughing and to try to say something to cheer them up, to be entertaining, not to make light of their situation if obviously they had a bad problem, but still to say as they would leave with a smile on their face or a little laugh, but the funny one, I still remember this. We had instituted all of these forms. It would drive me crazy if I went to the doctor. We had all of these forms with all of these questions. They were repetitive every year. You just couldn't say that it was the same. She came in. She was laughing. She said, “These forms are crazy. It's asking me do I have a gun at home?” I said, thinking about it, in my ignorance, I hadn't reviewed every single question of these 15 pages that they were going to get. I'm sure it was about depression and to pick up on depression if they have a gun at home. She laughed. She said, “The young lady who was asking me the questions said, ‘Do you have a gun at home?' I said, ‘No, I have it right here in my purse. Would you like to see it?'” Meagan: Oh my gosh. Dr. Darrell Martin: So it was just joking about how she really got the person flustered who was asking the question. Sometimes we ask questions in those forms that are a little over the top. Meagan: Yeah. What I'm noticing is that you spent time with your patients not even just to get to know them, but you really wanted to get to know them. You didn't just do the checked boxes and the forms. It was to really get to know them. We talked about finding a good practice last time. What does that look like? What can we do? What are things to do? What is the routine that is normal for every provider's office or is there a normal routine for every provider's office? From someone coming in and wanting an experience like what you provide, how can we look for that? How can we seek that?Dr. Darrell Martin: Well, what you're saying and particularly when it evolves into having a chat, is first trust. you want to trust your provider. If you don't trust, you're anxious. We know that anxiety can produce a lot of issues. I would often tell a client who was already pregnant let's say as opposed to what should be done before they get pregnant. I would say they are getting ready to take a big test, and that test is having a baby. I said, “It's like a pass/fail. You're all going to pass. What do you want to have happen? You need to be comfortable and learn as much as you can and have people alongside you that you trust so that it is a great experience.” The second one, I'm sure you've seen this is that sometimes you just worry that people get so rigid in what they want, and then they feel like a failure if it doesn't happen. We want to avoid that because that can lead to a lot of postpartum depression and things that last. They feel like a failure. That should never happen. That should never happen. They should understand that they have a pathway and a plan. If they trust who's there with them, what ends up happening is okay. It's not that they've been misled which is then where the plan is altered by not a good reason maybe, but it's been altered and it really throws them for a loop. Meagan: Yeah. Dr. Darrell Martin: I think in preparation, first they've got to know what their surroundings are. They start off. Ideally, someone's thinking about getting pregnant before they get pregnant. I've had enough clients who, when we start talking about birth control, and I'll say, “Are you sexually active?” “Yes.” “Are you using anything for birth control?” “No, I don't want to use anything for birth control.” I said, “Do you want to get pregnant?” “No.” I said, “Well, that's not equal. A, you're not having intercourse and B, you're not using anything, so eventually, you're going to get pregnant. You need to start planning for that outcome, but the prep work ahead of time is to know your surrounding. You've got to know what you know and you've got to know what you want. You really should be seeking some advice of close friends who you trust who have been through and experienced it in a positive way. You've got to know what your town where you live is like. Is there one hospital or two hospitals? What are the hospitals like?” Someone told me one time that I should just write a book about what to do before you get pregnant. Meagan: Yeah, well it's a big deal. Before you get pregnant is what really can set us up for the end too because if we don't prep and we're not educating ourselves before, and we don't know what we're getting into, we don't know our options. That can set us up for a less-ideal position. Dr. Darrell Martin: Yeah. I think that's where the role of a doula can come into play. I hate to say it this way, but if they're going to go to the provider's office, they're not going to get that kind of exchange in that length of time to really settle in to what it is what that plan is going to be like. To be honest, most of the providers are not going to spend the time to do that. Meagan: Mhmm, yeah. The experience that you gave in getting to know people on that level is not as likely these days. OBs are limited to 7-10 minutes per visit?Dr. Darrell Martin: That's on a good day probably. Meagan: See? Yeah. Dr. Darrell Martin: You're being really kind right there. You're being really kind. It's just amazing. Sometimes you're a victim of your own success. If you're spending more time, and you're involved with that, then you've got to make a decision in your practice of how many people you're going to see. If you're seeing a certain amount, then the more you see, what's going to happen to them? You have control of your own situation, but then often you feel the need to have other partners and other associates, and then it gets too business-like. Smaller, to me, is better. The only problem with small with obstetrics is we know that if it's a solo practice, for example, someone will say, “I'm going to this doctor here because I want to see he or she the whole time.” I say, “You've got to think about that. Is that person going to be on-call 365 days a year?” Then what happens later on in the pregnancy when that becomes more of a concern to the client, they'll ask. They'll say, “Well, I'm on-call every Thursday and one weekend out of four.” They freak out. They get really anxious. “What's going to happen? I just know you.” They'll say, “I'm on-call on Thursday. I do inductions on Thursday.” So it leads into that path of wanting that provider. So then to get that provider, they're going to be induced. And we know that that at least doubles the rate of C-sections, at least, depending on how patient or not patient they are.Meagan: I was going to say they've got this little ARRIVE trial saying, "Oh, it doesn't. It lowers it. But what people don't really know is how much time these ARRIVE trial patients were really given. And so when you say that time is what is not given, but it's needed for a vaginal birth a lot of the times with these inductions.Dr. Darrell Martin: Yes, yes, if the induction is even indicated to begin with because the quality assurance, a lot of hospitals, you have to justify the induction. But it doesn't really happen that way. I mean, if there's a group of physicians that are all doing the same thing, they're not going to call each other out.Meagan: Yeah.Dr. Darrell Martin: It's just going to continue to happen is there're 39 weeks. I love how exactly they know how big the baby's going to be. But even more importantly, how big can this person have? I mean, there are no correlations. There are no real correlations. I can remember before ultrasound, we were taught pelvimetry. the old X-ray and you see what the inner spinous distance is, but you still don't know for sure what size has going to come through there.Meagan: Oh right. Well, and we know that through movement, which what you were seeing in the beginning of your OB days in your schooling, they didn't move. They put them in the bed. They put them in a bed and sat them in the bed. So now we're seeing movement, but there's still a lack of education in position of baby. And so we're getting the CPD diagnosis left and right and being told that we'll never get a baby out of our pelvis or our baby's too large to fit through it, when in a lot of situations it's just movement and changing it up and recognizing a baby in a poor position. An asynclitic baby is not going to have as easy as a time as a baby coming down in an OA, nice, tucked position. Right?Dr. Darrell Martin: Exactly. Exactly. There was the old Friedman Curve and if you went off the Friedman Curve, I was always remarked it's 1.2 centimeters, I think prime at 1.5 per hour. But I can never figure out what 0.2 two was when you do a pelvic exam. What is that really? Is the head applied against the cervix? So it's all relative. It's not that exact. But no, I think that if a person could find a person they trust who knows the environment, I think that's where the value of a really good doula can help because they're emotionally connected to the couple, but they're not as connected as husband and wife are or someone else.Meagan: Or a sister or a friend.Dr. Darrell Martin: Yes. And that may be their first shot at that sister of being in a room like that other maybe her own child. It's nice to have someone with a lot more experience that can stand in the gap when they're emotionally distraught, maybe the husband is. He's sweating it out. He's afraid of what he's going to say sometimes. And then she's hurting and she needs that person who can be just subjective to  stand in the gap for her when they're trying to push the buttons in the wrong direction or play on their emotions a little too much.Meagan: Yeah. I love that you pointed that out. We actually talked about that in our course because a lot of people are like, "Oh, no, it's okay. I can just hire my friend or my sister." And although those people are so wonderful, there is something very different about having a doula who is trained and educated and can connect with you, but also disconnect and see other options over here.So we just kind of were going a little bit into induction and things like that. And when we talked a couple weeks ago, we talked about why less is better when it comes to giving medicine or induction to VBAC or not. We talked about it impeding the natural process. Can you elaborate more on that? On both. Why less is more, but then also VBAC and induction. What's ideal for that? What did you use back then?Dr. Darrell Martin: Well, we're going back a long time.Meagan: No, I know, I know.Dr. Darrell Martin: We're going back a long time. See, that would be like what you just did was give me about three questions in one that would be like being on a defensive stand on trial. And then you're trying to figure out where the attorney going, and he sets you up with three questions in one, and then you know you're in trouble when he does that.Meagan: I'm finding that I'm really good at doing that. Asking one question with three questions or five questions?Dr. Darrell Martin: Yes.Meagan: So, okay, let's talk about less is more. Why is less more?Dr. Darrell Martin: Well, first of all, you can observe the natural process of labor. Anytime you intervene with whatever medication-wise or epidural-wise, you're altering the natural course. I mean, that to me it just makes sense. I mean, those things never occurred years ago. So you are intervening in a natural course. And you then have got to factor that in to see how much is that hindering the labor process? Would it have been hindered if you hadn't done that? If you'd allow them to walk, if you allowed them to move? The natural observation of labor makes a lot more sense than the intervention where you've then got to figure out, is the cause of the arrest of labor, so to speak, is it because of the intervention or was it really going to occur?Meagan: Light bulb.Dr. Darrell Martin: Yes.Meagan: That's an interesting concept to think about.Dr. Darrell Martin: Yeah. And you want to be careful because it's another little joke. I say you just don't want to give the client/patient a silver bullet. Often I've had husbands say, "Well, they don't need any medicines." You have to be careful what you're saying because you're not the one in labor. But I wouldn't say that quite to them. But they got the picture really quickly when their wife, their spouse, lashed back out at them.Meagan: Yeah.Dr. Darrell Martin: So you can come over here and sit and see how you like it. I can still remember doing a Lamaze class with Sandy, and we also did Bradley class because I wanted to experience it all. She was the first person to deliver at Vanderbilt without any medication using those techniques. And when we would do that little bit of teaching, I can remember doing that when they would try to show a guy by pinching him for like 30 seconds and increasing the intensities to do their breathing, maybe they should have had something else pinched to make them realize-- Meagan: How intense.Dr. Darrell Martin: Yeah. How intense it isMeagan: Yeah.Dr. Darrell Martin: We can't totally experience it. So we have to be empathetic and balance that. And that's where, to me, having that other person can be helpful because I'm sure that that person who is the doula would be meeting and with them multiple times in the antepartum course as opposed to they go into labor and if there's a physician delivery, chances are their support person is going to be a nurse they've never met before or maybe multiple ones who come in and out and in and out and in and out, and they're not there like someone else would be. To me that's suboptimal, but that's the way it works. And I observed the first birth. I didn't tell the people at the hospital for my daughter-in-law that I was an obstetrician.Meagan: And yeah you guys, a little backstory. He was a doula at his daughter-in-law's birth.Dr. Darrell Martin: Yes. But her first birth did not turn out that well at an unnamed hospital. She didn't want to come to my practice because they weren't married that long and that's getting into their business a little bit. Plus, she lived on the north side of town and I was on the south side. So she chose, a midwifery group, but the midwife was not in there very much. I mean, she was responsible. They were doing probably 15 to 20 births per midwife.Meagan: Wow.Dr. Darrell Martin: They were becoming like a resident, really. They were not doing anything a whole lot differently. And then she had a fourth degree, and she then, in my opinion, got chased out of the hospital the next day and ended up turning around a day later and coming back with preeclampsia. I heard she had some family history of hypertension. I had to be careful because I'm the father-in-law. I'm saying, "Well, maybe you shouldn't go home." And then she ends up going back. And she didn't have HELLP syndrome, but she was pretty sick there for a day or two. That was unfortunate because she went home, and then she had to go right back and there's the baby at home because the baby can't go back into the hospital. And so her second birth, because it was such a traumatic experience with the fourth degree, she elected to use our group and wanted one of my partners to electively section her. She did the trauma of that fourth degree. That was so great. So she did. But obviously, she had a proven pelvis because she had a first vaginal delivery. And then she came to me and she said, "I want to do a VBAC." And so I said, "Oh, that's great." And so one of my partners was there with her, but my son got a little bit antsy and a little bit sick, so he kind of left the room. I was the support person through the delivery. That was my opportunity to be a doula. And of course, she delivered without any medication and without an episiotomy and did fine. Meagan: Awesome.Dr. Darrell Martin: And a bigger baby than the one that was first time.Meagan: Hey, see? That's awesome. I love that.Dr. Darrell Martin: Yes.Meagan: So it happens.So we talked a little bit about midwives, and we talked about right here "A Doctor's Story of Breaking Barriers for Midwifery". Talk to us about breaking barriers for midwifery. And what are your thoughts one on midwives, but two, midwives being restricted to support VBAC?Dr. Darrell Martin: Okay, that's two questions again.Meagan: Yep. Count on me to do that to you.Dr. Darrell Martin: I'll flip to the second one there. I think it's illogical to not allow a midwife to be involved with a VBAC. That makes no sense to me at all because if anybody needs more observation in the birth process, it would potentially or theoretically actually be someone who's had a prior C-section. Right? There's a little bit more risk for a rupture that needs more observation, doesn't need someone in and out, in and out of the room. The physician is going to be required to be in-house or at least when we were doing them, they were required to be in house and there was the ability to do a section pretty quickly. But observation can really mitigate that rush, rush, rush, rush, rush. I've had midwives do breeches with me and I've had them do vaginal twins. If I'm there, they can do it just as well as I can. I'm observing everything that's happening and they should know how to do shoulder dystocia. One thing that you cannot be totally predictive of and doctors don't have to be in the hospital for the most part in hospitals. Hopefully, there probably are some where they're required, but it makes no sense and they're able to do those. So if I'm there observing because the hospital is going to require that, and I think that's not a bad thing. I never would be opposed or would never advocate that I shouldn't be there for a VBAC. But I think to have the support person and that be the midwife is going to continue and do the delivery, I think that's great. There's no logic of what they're going to do unless that doctor is just going to decide that they're going to play a midwife role and that they're going to be there in that room. They're advocating that role to a nurse or multiple nurses who the person doesn't know, never met them before, and so that trust is not there. They're already stressed. The family's stressed. There are probably some in-laws or relatives out there and they say, "Well, you're crazy. Why are you doing this for? Why don't you just have a section?" Everybody has an opinion, right? So there's a lot of family. I would observe that they're sitting out there and we've got into that even back then that's a society that some of them don't want to be there, but they feel obliged to be out there waiting for a birth to occur. Right. When four hours goes by, "Oh, oh, there must be a problem. Why aren't they doing something?" You hear that all the time. I try to say, "Well, first labor can be 16 to 20 hours." "16 to 20 hours?" and then they think, "I'm going to be here for that long."Meagan: Yeah.Dr. Darrell Martin: So there's always that push at times from family about things aren't moving quickly.Meagan: Right.Dr. Darrell Martin: They're moving naturally, but their frame of reference is not appropriate for what's occurring. They don't really understand. And so that's the answer. Yes. I think that it makes no sense that midwives are not involved. That does not make any sense at all.So the first part of the question was what happened with me and midwives?Meagan: Well, breaking barriers for midwifery. There are so many people out there who are still restricted to not be able to support VBAC. I mean, we have hospital midwives here in Utah that can't even support VBAC. The OBs are just completely restricting them. What do you mean when you say breaking barriers for midwifery and birth rights?Dr. Darrell Martin: Okay, what I meant was this is now in late 1970, 79, 80. And I'd observe midwifery care because as residents, we were taking care of individuals at three different hospitals, one of which was Nashville General, which was a hospital where predominantly that was indigent care, women with no insurance. And we had a program there with midwives.Dr. Darrell Martin: And so we were their backup. I was their backup for my senior residency, chief residency, and subsequently, as an attending because I was an attending teaching medical students and residents and really not teaching midwives, just observing them if they needed anything, within the house most of the time, principally for the medical students and the junior residents. But I saw their outcomes, how great they were. I saw the connection that occurred. We didn't have a residency program where you saw the same people every time then. It was just purely a rotation. You would catch people and it just became seeing 50 or 75 people and just try to get them in and out. But then you observe over here and watch what happens with the midwifery group and the lack of intervention and the great outcomes because they had to keep statistics to prove what they were doing. Right? Meagan: Yeah, yeah. I'm sure. Dr. Darrell Martin: They were required to do that, and you would see that the outcomes were so much better. Then it evolved because a lot of those women over the course of the years prior to me being there and has evolved while I was there, I was befriended by one midwife. She was a nurse in labor and delivery who then went on to midwifery school. We became really close friends. Her family and my family became very close. They had people, first of all, physicians' wives who wanted to use them and friends in the neighborhood who wanted to use them, but they had insurance and people that had delivered there who then were able to get a job and had insurance and wanted to use them again, but they couldn't at the indigent hospital. You had to not have insurance. So there was no vehicle for them in Nashville to do birth. We advocated for a new program at Vanderbilt where they could do that and at the same time do something that's finally occurring now and that's how midwives teach medical students and teach residents normal birth because that's the way you develop the connection that moves on into private practice is they see their validity at that level and that becomes a really essentially part of what they want to do when they leave. They don't see them as competition as much. Still, sometimes it's competition. So anyhow, at that point, our third hospital was relatively new. The Baptist private hospital run by the private doctors where the deliveries at that point were the typical ones with amnesiac, no father in the room, an episiotomy, and forceps. So when we tried to do the program, the chairman-- and we subsequently found some of this information out. It wasn't totally aware at the time. They were given a choice by the private hospital. Either you continue to have residents at the private hospital or you have the midwifery private program at Vanderbilt. But you can't have both. If you're going to do that, you can't have residence over here. So they were using the political pressure to stop it from happening. Then I said, they approached myself and the two doctors, partners, I was working with in Hendersonville which is a little suburb north of town. We had just had a new hospital start there and we were the only group so that gave us a lot of liberties. I mean, we started a program for children of birth with birthing rooms, no routine episiotomies, all walking in labor, and all the things you couldn't do downtown. Well, the problem was we wanted midwives in into practice but we didn't have the money to pay them. We were brand new. So we had a discussion and they said, "Well, we want to start our own business." And I said, "Oh." And I kind of joked, I said, "Well that's fine, I can be your employee then." And that was fine for us. I mean, we had no problem being their consultant because someone asked, "Well, how can you let that happen?" I said, "We still have control of the medical issues. We can still have a discussion and they can't run crazy. They're not going to do things that we don't agree with just because they're paying for the receptionists and they're taking ownership of their practice." So they opened their doors on Music Row in Nashville.Meagan: Awesome.Dr. Darrell Martin: But as soon as that started happening and they announced it, at that time, the only insurance carrier for malpractice in the state of Georgia was State Volunteer Mutual which was physician-owned because of the crisis so they couldn't get any insurance the other way a physician couldn't unless it was through the physician-owned carrier. Well, one of the persons who was just appointed to the board was a, well I would call an establishment old-guard, obstetrician/gynecologist from Nashville. And he said in front of multiple people that he was going to set midwifery back 100 years, and he was going to get my malpractice insurance. He was going to take my malpractice insurance away.Meagan: Wow.Dr. Darrell Martin: For practicing with midwife. And that was in the spring of the year. Well, by October of that year, he did take my malpractice insurance. They did.Meagan: Wow. For working with midwives? Dr. Darrell Martin: For risks of undue proportion. Yes. The Congressman for one of the midwives was Al Gore, and in December of that year we had a congressional hearing in D.C. where we testified. The Federal Trade Commission got involved. The Federal Trade Commission had them required the malpractice carrier to open their books for five years. And what that did was it stopped attacks across the United States. There were multiple attacks going on all across the country trying to block midwives from practicing independently or otherwise. And so from 1980-83, when subsequently a litigation was settled, the malpractice carrier, including the physicians who were involved, all admitted guilt before it went to the Supreme Court. I went through a few years there and that's where you see some of those stories where I was blackballed and had to figure out a place where I was going to work. I almost went back to school. This is a little funny story. I was pointed in the direction of Dr. Miller who was the head of Maternal Child Health at Chapel Hill University of North Carolina. I didn't realize that then two months later, he testified before Congress as well because he wanted me to come there. I interviewed and then I would get my PhD and do the studies that would disprove all the routine things that physicians were doing to couples. I would run those studies. It was a safe space. It was a safe place, a beautiful place in Chapel Hill. So he told me, he said, "You need to meet with my manager assistant and she'll talk to you about your stipend, etc." Now I had three children under four years of age.Meagan: Wow, you were busy.Dr. Darrell Martin: Well, the first one was adopted through one of the friends I was in school with, so we had two children seven months apart because Sandy was pregnant and had like four or five miscarriages before.Meagan: Wow.Dr. Darrell Martin: So I had three under four. So she proceeded to say, "Well Dr. Martin, this is great. Here's your stipend and I have some good news for you." I said, "Well, what's that?" He said, "Well, you're going to get qualified for food stamps." That's good news? Okay. So I'm trying to support my three children and my wife. I said, "I can't do that. As much as I would love to go to this safe place," and Chapel Hill would have been a safe place because it would have been an academia, but then I had to find a place to work. So it was just how through my faith, it got to the point where know ending up in Atlanta, I was able to not only do everything I wanted to do, but one of the midwives that I worked with, Vicki Henderson Bursman won the award from the midwifery college. And the year after, I received the Lewis Hellman Award for supporting midwives from ACOG and AC&M. But we prayed. We said, "One day we're going to work together." And this was 1980. In 93, when we settled the lawsuit, we reconnected. I was chairman of a private school, and we hired her husband to come to Atlanta to work at the school. Two weeks, three weeks later, I get a call from the administrator of the hospital in Emory who was running the indigent project at the hospital we were working at teaching residents. They said that they wanted to double the money. Their contract was up and they wanted double what they had been given. So the hospital refused and they asked me to do the program. We didn't have any other place to go. And then what was happening? Well, Rick was coming to Atlanta, but so was Vicki. So Vicki, who I hadn't worked with for 13 years, never was able to work, came and for the next 20 years, worked in Atlanta with me. And we did. She ran basically the women's community care project, and then also worked in the private practice. And then the last person, Susie Soshmore, who was the other midwife, really couldn't leave Nashville. She was much, much more, and rightly so, she was bitter about what happened and never practiced midwifery. Her husband was retiring. She decided since they were going to Florida to Panama City, that she wanted to get back and actually start doing midwifery, but she needed to be re-credentialed. So she came and spent six months with us in Atlanta as we re-credentialed her and she worked with us. So ultimately we all three did get to work together.Meagan: That's awesome. Wow. What a journey. What a journey you have been on.Dr. Darrell Martin: Yeah, it was quite a journey.Meagan: Yeah. It's so crazy to me to hear that someone would actively try to make sure that midwifery care wasn't a thing. It's just so crazy to me, and I think it's probably still happening. It's probably still happening here in 2024. I don't know why midwives get such a bad rap, but like you said, you saw with the studies, their outcomes were typically better. Dr. Darrell Martin: Yeah.Meagan: Why are we ignoring that?Dr. Darrell Martin: Doctors were pretty cocky back then. They may be more subtle about what they do now because to overtly say they're going to get your malpractice insurance, that's restricted trade.Meagan: Yeah. That's intense.Dr. Darrell Martin: Intense. Well, it's illegal to start with.Meagan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, right?Dr. Darrell Martin: If you attack the doctor, you get the midwife. They tried to attack the policies and procedures. That was the other thing they were threatening to do was, "Well, if you still come here, we're going to close the birthing room. We're going to require women to stay flat in bed. We require episiotomies. We require preps and enemas." Well, they wouldn't require episiotomies, but certainly preps and enemas and continuous monitoring just to make it uncomfortable and another way to have midwives not want to work there.Meagan:  Yes. I just want to Do a big eye-roll with all of that. Oh my goodness. Well, thank you so much for taking the time and sharing your history and these stories and giving some tips on trusting our providers and hiring a doula. I mean, we love OBs too, but definitely check out midwives and midwives, if you're out there and you're listening and you want to learn how to get involved in your community, get involved with supportive OBs like Dr. Martin and you never know, there could be another change. You could open a whole other practice, but still advocate for yourself.I'm trying to think. Are there any final tips that you have for our listeners for them on their journey to VBAC?Dr. Darrell Martin: Well, pre-pregnancy that next time around, we know very quickly that the weight of the baby is controlled by heredity which you really essentially have no control over that including who your husband is. If he's 6'5", 245, their odds are going to be that the baby might be a little bigger. However, you do have control what your pre-pregnancy weight is, and if you get your BMI into a lower range, we know statistically that the baby's probably going to be a little bit smaller, and that gives you a better shot. You don't have control of when you deliver, but you do have control of your weight gain during the pregnancy and you do have control of what your pre-pregnancy weight, which are also factors in the size of the baby. So control what you can control, and trust the rest that it's going to work out the way it should.Meagan:  Yeah, I think just being healthy, being active, getting educated like you said, pre-pregnancy. It is empowering to be educated and prepared both physically, emotionally, and logistically like where you're going, and who you're seeing. All of that before you become pregnant. It really is such a huge benefit. So thank you again for being here with us today. Can you tell us where we can find your book?Dr. Darrell Martin: Yeah, it's available on Amazon. It's available at Books A Million. It's available at Barnes and Noble. So all three of the major sources.Meagan:  Some of the major sources. Yeah. We'll make sure to link those in the show notes. If you guys want to hear more about Dr. Martin's journey and everything that he's got going on in that book, we will have those links right there so you can click and purchase. Thank you so much for your time today.Dr. Darrell Martin: Thank you. I enjoyed it and it went very quickly. It was enjoyable talking to you.Meagan:  It did, didn't it? Just chatting. It's so fun to hear that history of what birth used to be like, and actually how there are still some similarities even here in 2024. We have a lot to improve on. Dr. Darrell Martin: Absolutely, yes. Meagan:  But it's so good to hear and thank you so much for being there for your clients and your customers and patients, whatever anyone wants to call them, along the way, because it sounds like you were really such a great advocate for them.Dr. Darrell Martin: Well, we tried. We tried. It was important that they received the proper care, and that we served them appropriately, and to then they fulfill whatever dream they had for that birth experience or be something they would really enjoy.Meagan:  Yes. Well, thank you again so much.Dr. Darrell Martin: Okay, thank you. I enjoyed talking to you. Good luck, and have fun.Meagan: Thank you.Dr. Darrell Martin: Bye-bye.Meagan: Thank you. You too. Bye.ClosingWould you like to be a guest on the podcast? Tell us about your experience at thevbaclink.com/share. For more information on all things VBAC including online and in-person VBAC classes, The VBAC Link blog, and Meagan's bio, head over to thevbaclink.com. Congratulations on starting your journey of learning and discovery with The VBAC Link.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-vbac-link/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Kip Moore is an artist and songwriter originally from Tifton, Georgia. He has several multi-platinum records including songs like “Somethin' ‘bout a Truck,” “More Girls Like You,” and “The Bull.” He is also known for his live show and a rabid touring audience that spans the US, the U.K., Australia, South Africa, and Europe. His new record “Solitary Tracks” is out February 28th; he is currently signed to Virgin Music Group. In this episode we discuss the level of songwriting craftsmanship in Nashville, why the live show is so important, making records, breaking in South Africa, and many other stops along the way.New Episodes every Tuesday.Find the host Troy Cartwright on Twitter, Instagram. Social Channels for Ten Year Town:YoutubeFacebookInstagramTwitterTikTokThis podcast was produced by Ben VanMaarth. Intro and Outro music for this episode was composed by Troy Cartwright, Monty Criswell, and Derek George. It is called "Same" and you can listen to it in it's entirety here. Additional music for this episode was composed by Thomas Ventura. Artwork design by Brad Vetter. Creative Direction by Mary Lucille Noah.

A country singer-songwriter who released an album on November 1st and has four new music videos in the pipeline. He is a CMA member and was invited to perform last May at the Grand Ole Opry. His first single from his debut album had charted on Music Row and he has shared the stage with Confederate Railroad, Jamey Johnson, and other notable headliners. Born in Nashville but now living in Virginia, he is the son of a country music legend and began his musical journey as a roadie, learning the business while traveling with his father. In addition to music, he is also passionate about his country and still serves as a Reserve Army Officer in Europe.

“Murder on Music Row" is a true crime podcast about the unsolved murder of Kevin Hughes, a music executive, in 1989. Host Keith Sharon meticulously investigated the case, interviewing over 65 people and uncovering new evidence. Today we talk with Keith about his investigation, the seedy underbelly of the Nashville music scene, and more. WARNING: This episode will make you want to subscribe to the Murder On Music Row podcast, and possibly The Tennessean newspaper nonetakenpod.com --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/none-taken/support

Robby Johnson is a Country Music Star and Singer-Songwriter. Born in Canada, he had many jobs including factory work before he settled in Nashville. Now he's got a bunch of hits, a million social media followers, and millions of YouTube Views and Streams. He's performed on the Late Show with David Letterman and been profiled in USA Today, Rolling Stone Country and TV Guide.My featured song is “Country Drive” from the album PGS 7 by my band, Project Grand Slam.. Spotify link.---------------------------------------------The Follow Your Dream Podcast:Top 1% of all podcasts with Listeners in 200 countries!For more information and other episodes of the podcast click here. To subscribe to the podcast click here .To subscribe to our weekly Follow Your Dream Podcast email click here.To Rate and Review the podcast click here.“Dream With Robert”. Click here.—----------------------------------------ROBERT'S SINGLES:“SOSTICE” is Robert's newest single, with a rockin' Old School vibe. Called “Stunning!”, “A Gem!”, “Magnificent!” and “5 Stars!”.Click HERE for all links.—---------------------------------“THE GIFT” is Robert's ballad arranged by Grammy winning arranger Michael Abene and turned into a horn-driven Samba. Praised by David Amram, John Helliwell, Joe La Barbera, Tony Carey, Fay Claassen, Antonio Farao, Danny Gottlieb and Leslie Mandoki.Click HERE for all links.—-------------------------------------“LOU'S BLUES”. Robert's Jazz Fusion “Tone Poem”. Called “Fantastic! Great playing and production!” (Mark Egan - Pat Metheny Group/Elements) and “Digging it!” (Peter Erskine - Weather Report)!Click HERE for all links.—----------------------------------------“THE RICH ONES”. Robert's sublime, atmospheric Jazz Fusion tune. Featuring guest artist Randy Brecker (Blood Sweat & Tears) on flugelhorn. Click HERE for all links.—---------------------------------------Audio production:Jimmy RavenscroftKymera Films Connect with Robby at:www.robby-johnson.com Connect with the Follow Your Dream Podcast:Website - www.followyourdreampodcast.comEmail Robert - robert@followyourdreampodcast.com Follow Robert's band, Project Grand Slam, and his music:Website - www.projectgrandslam.comYouTubeSpotify MusicApple MusicEmail - pgs@projectgrandslam.com

In this week's episode of Diving In Deep, Sara is joined by the hilarious and talented Hannah Dasher! Hannah shares what it has been like going from being signed by a major label to being an independent artist. She also discusses her hit Tiktok series "Stand By Your Pan" and how she uses social media to her advantage as an independent musician. Sara and Hannah talk about the future of country music, being a woman in the industry, and the impossible standards set for women in country music. Tune in to hear more about Hannah's journey through country music, her crazy nana, and finding her image.    Listen to Unbroke: (https://ffm.to/seunbroke)   About Hannah Dasher: Whether she's whipping up content for her online audience or penning her next hit, Hannah Dasher never slows down when it comes to getting where she's always planned to be. Raised in Savannah, GA, Dasher built her career from the ground up while living in a small attic apartment just off of Music Row and performing at writer's nights and local showcases. Her hustle has clearly paid off, as she now performs for audiences across the country and has opened for music legends like Bocephus, The Cadillac Three, and Lynyrd Skynyrd. Her music combines her timeless, nostalgic Country twang with a fresh new sound, and with her bold lyrics and one-of-a-kind personality, Dasher is no character; she lives as she performs. She recently released her new album "The Other Damn Half" available on all platforms, and she's gearing up for her second headlining tour.   LET'S BE SOCIAL:   Follow Hannah Dasher: Instagram -(@hannahdasher ) TikTok - (@hannahdamndasher) Twitter - (@HannahDasher) Youtube - (@HannahDasherOfficial) Facebook - (@hannahdashermusic) Website - hannahdasher.com   Follow Diving in Deep Podcast: Instagram -(@divingindeeppod) TikTok - (@divingindeeppod) Twitter - (@divingindeeppod) Facebook - (@divingindeeppod)   Follow Sara Evans: Instagram - (@saraevansmusic) TikTok - (@saraevansmusic) Twitter - (@saraevansmusic) Facebook - (@saraevansmusic)   Produced and Edited by: The Cast Collective (Nashville, TN) YouTube - (‪@TheCastCollective‬) Instagram - (@TheCastCollective) Twitter - (@TheCastCollective)   Directed by: Erin Dugan Edited By: Sean Dugan, Corey Williams, & Michaela Dolph https://www.thecastcollective.com

In this week's episode of Diving In Deep, Sara is joined by the hilarious and talented Hannah Dasher! Hannah shares what it has been like going from being signed by a major label to being an independent artist. She also discusses her hit Tiktok series “Stand By Your Pan” and how she uses social media to her advantage as an independent musician. Sara and Hannah talk about the future of country music, being a woman in the industry, and the impossible standards set for women in country music. Tune in to hear more about Hannah's journey through country music, her crazy nana, and finding her image.    Listen to Unbroke: (https://ffm.to/seunbroke)   About Hannah Dasher: Whether she's whipping up content for her online audience or penning her next hit, Hannah Dasher never slows down when it comes to getting where she's always planned to be. Raised in Savannah, GA, Dasher built her career from the ground up while living in a small attic apartment just off of Music Row and performing at writer's nights and local showcases. Her hustle has clearly paid off, as she now performs for audiences across the country and has opened for music legends like Bocephus, The Cadillac Three, and Lynyrd Skynyrd. Her music combines her timeless, nostalgic Country twang with a fresh new sound, and with her bold lyrics and one-of-a-kind personality, Dasher is no character; she lives as she performs. She recently released her new album “The Other Damn Half” available on all platforms, and she's gearing up for her second headlining tour.   LET'S BE SOCIAL:   Follow Hannah Dasher: Instagram –(@hannahdasher ) TikTok – (@hannahdamndasher) Twitter – (@HannahDasher) Youtube – (@HannahDasherOfficial) Facebook – (@hannahdashermusic) Website – hannahdasher.com   Follow Diving in Deep Podcast: Instagram –(@divingindeeppod) TikTok – (@divingindeeppod) Twitter – (@divingindeeppod) Facebook – (@divingindeeppod)   Follow Sara Evans: Instagram – (@saraevansmusic) TikTok – (@saraevansmusic) Twitter – (@saraevansmusic) Facebook – (@saraevansmusic)   Produced and Edited by: The Cast Collective (Nashville, TN) YouTube – (‪@TheCastCollective‬) Instagram – (@TheCastCollective) Twitter – (@TheCastCollective)   Directed by: Erin Dugan Edited By: Sean Dugan, Corey Williams, & Michaela Dolph https://www.thecastcollective.com

In this heartfelt farewell episode of The Business Side of Music Podcast, we say goodbye to our host, mentor, and friend, Bob Bender. As we close this chapter, we reflect on the incredible journey, invaluable lessons, and unforgettable moments shared with our listeners. Thank you for being part of this community and for supporting the podcast through the years. Join us as we celebrate Bob's legacy and bid a fond farewell to the show.   Bob Bender:  With over 45 years experience in the music entertainment industry, Bob Bender has produced over 300 Tours, Festivals, and concerts throughout the United States, Canada, Europe, Mexico, and Japan.  Bender worked in the capacity of Tour Manager for such artists including Ringo Starr and his All-Starr Band, Billy Preston, Dwight Twilley, Lisa Lisa & the Cult Jam, Rick Derringer, Edgar Winter, A Flock of Seagulls, Mark Lindsay (of Paul Revere & The Raiders fame), New Kids on The Block, and Gene Pitney, just to name a few. He also held the position of Manager of Artist Development for Curb Records, representing such label acts as Tim McGraw, LeAnn Rimes, Jo Dee Messina, and Hank Williams Jr. In addition, Bob oversaw the Christian retail division for the label, and helped develop it into a million-dollar division for the company, eventually becoming the Director of Sales for Curb Records. Bender went on to manage the legendary Michael Martin Murphey's record label “WestFest Records”. Under Bob's direction, Murphey re-released his 1970's hit single “Wildfire” as a new mix with the popular country group “Lonestar”, appearing on mainstream radio after an absence of over 20 years, with over 400 country stations playing his hit song, along with appearances on television, including CBS's “Late Night with David Letterman”. Bob has also overseen television promotion and infomercial marketing campaigns for various country, pop, and Christian artists. He has produced, co-produced, and marketed numerous concert DVD projects, including Tommy Cash's “Fade to Black” concert and Eric Durrance's “Turn It Off” video (which climbed to #17 on GAC's “Country Countdown” charts). Other various television credits include the “Celebration for Young Americans” television concert special for George H. Bush's 1989 presidential inauguration, the “Billy Preston Live in Atlanta” concert, and the USO's “Operation Homecoming” television concert special filmed aboard the USS Ranger aircraft carrier during Desert Storm.  In 2015, Bender entered a new direction by beginning production on a television series titled “Songs in the Spotlight,” the first season of which was picked up by Hulu.  In addition to his television credits, Bob has produced multiple album projects, including a live-in concert CD for Grammy-award-winning artist Billy Preston, Gospel recording artist Joanne Cash (Johnny Cash's sister), Americana act Steven L. Smith Band (earning a first-round Grammy nomination for Americana Album of the Year), Country music singer Whitney Wattenbarger, pop group Grant My Wishes, and heavy metal band Se7en Dead. Other accomplishments include Serving on the CMTA Board of Directors for the Gospel Music Association, being a guest lecturer at Belmont University in Nashville, hosting panels at MTSU, and speaking on the business aspects of the music industry.  Currently, Bender is producing and hosting a podcast series called “The Business Side of Music,” recorded in Nashville, TN. This series consistently ranks in the Top 15 of Music Interview shows on Apple Music, has over 250,000 downloads, is listened to in 120 countries around the world, and was recently ranked in the Top 20 music industry podcasts to listen to.   Creator and Executive Producer Emeritus: Tom Sabella Showrunner and Host (the guy who has a face for podcasting): Bob Bender Management Representation: Chuck Thompson for Thompson Entertainment Group, LLC Co-Producer - Audio/Video Editor (the man behind the curtain): Mark Sabella Director of Video and Continuity (the brains of the entire operation): Deborah Halle Marketing and Social Media (all knowing): Sarah Fleshner for 362 Entertainment All Around Problem Solver (and Mental Health Therapist for us): Connie Ribas Recorded inside what could be an old beat up Airstream Trailer located somewhere on what's left of Music Row in Nashville TN (Man we sure do miss Noshville, and the Longhorn Steakhouse) Mixed and Mastered at Music Dog Studios in Nashville, TN Editing and Post at Midnight Express Studio located in Olian, NY Production Sound Design: Keith Stark Voice Over and Promo: Lisa Fuson   Special Thanks to the creator and founder of the podcast, Tom Sabella, along with Traci Snow for producing and hosting over 100 episodes of the original "Business Side of Music" podcast and trusting us to carry on their legacy.   The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed on this show provided by the guest(s), are those of the guest(s) own, and do not necessarily represent the views, thoughts, and opinions of the host or producers of this podcast. The material and information presented here is for general information purposes only. The Business Side of Music's name and all forms and abbreviations are the property of its owner (Lotta Dogs Productions LLC), and its use does not imply endorsement of or opposition to any specific organization, product, or service. Copyright © 2024 Lotta Dogs Productions, LLC, All rights reserved.

A murder on Music Row leads detectives to investigate a crooked business that promises fame and fortune in the country music capitol, Nashville... but instead, delivers lies, extortion and bloodshed. Qualia - Go to Qualialife.com/COLDCASE for up to 50% off and use COLDCASE at checkout for an additional 15% off! Rosetta Stone: Cold Case Files listeners can get Rosetta Stone's lifetime membership for 50% off when you go to RosettaStone.com/coldcase