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Dr. Michael E. Mann is a Presidential Distinguished Professor at the University of Pennsylvania, where he directs the Penn Center for Science, Sustainability, and the Media. He holds degrees in Physics, Applied Math, and Geology & Geophysics from UC Berkeley and Yale. His work focuses on Earth's climate system, particularly human-caused climate change, and he has played a significant role in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) efforts. Throughout his career, Dr. Mann has received numerous accolades, including contributing to the IPCC's 2007 Nobel Peace Prize, the Hans Oeschger Medal, and the Tyler Prize for Environmental Achievement. He is a Fellow of several scientific organizations and has authored over 200 publications and six books, including The Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars and The New Climate War. The Department of Earth and Environmental Science at the University of Pennsylvania focuses on understanding the dynamic processes that shape the Earth and its environment. It offers a broad range of research and educational opportunities in areas such as geology, environmental science, climate change, oceanography, and paleontology. Faculty and students work collaboratively to study the Earth's systems, explore environmental challenges, and find solutions for sustainable development. The department emphasizes interdisciplinary approaches to address pressing global issues like climate change, resource management, and environmental degradation. Show Notes: [2:13] - Dr. Mann shares his background and what he would be doing if he were not in the role he's in. [4:46] - Penn has a lot of interesting work going on and in the latest strategic vision has climate listed as number one as a situation to tackle. [7:03] - Dr. Mann describes how he has balanced being a scientist and an advocate for climate communication in a challenging political landscape. [9:13] - Science should be as objective as possible, especially when it comes to politics and policy. [11:25] - We all have a right to know where presidential candidates stand when it comes to climate change. [13:35] - Dr. Mann describes some of the challenges in communicating about climate change and where he focuses his outreach. [17:12] - People tend to be trapped in self-reinforcing bubbles. The media is very divided. [19:27] - There is evidence that there will be a tipping point in a majority acceptance and public support of climate change research and action. [21:54] - Dr. Mann gives suggestions and advice to those looking to enter the field. [24:09] - The four areas that are prioritized at Penn are Climate, Human Health, Democracy, and AI. Links and Resources: Michael Mann's Website

In this episode of Planet A, Professor Michael E. Mann – a leading figure in climate research and a vocal participant in public discourse on global warming – brings his insights into what he describes as the “New Climate War”. He outlines how powerful interests, including fossil fuel industries and certain political forces, have long obstructed substantial climate action to safeguard their profits. These actors have mastered the art of polluting public discourse with misinformation. Mann paints a dystopian picture of what the United States—and by extension, the planet—could face if the forces opposing climate action succeed in their agendas.  In spite of this, Mann maintains his stance as a stubborn optimist. He calls on listeners to reject apathy and engage in collective actions that push for substantial and systemic changes in environmental policy and practice. 

"We are at war. The line is drawn between the people and the polluters."Naomi Ní Shíocháin is a sustainability scientist whose main area of research is the 'Planetary Polycrisis' that exist, from climate to health to war. Facing this every day in her home life as well as work life, she has built a resilience that many of us lack - and rightly so because humans are not meant to experience the current ongoing tragedies. In this chat, Naomi shares some tools that has helped her own resilience, as well as giving is an aural hug. Naomi can be followed on LinkedIn, and Instagram @naominishiochain.Trigger warning: Suicide mentioned in the time stamp below.[04:30] Interview begins with an introduction from Naomi.[09:05] Naomi recounts getting caught in the Californian fires in 2018.[12:35] TW. The personal war we experience admits this planetary polycrisis. TW.[26:05] What brings Naomi joy.[30:30] Why we talk about ending war when we talk about having climate justice[40:30] What can we as individuals can do to help[45:25] How war affects emissions and biodiversity[55:05] Imagining the future"The depth of the truth we speak is the depth of the solutions that we can find to all of this"The New Climate War by Prof. Michael MannBright New World by Cindy FordeDonate to UNICEFAs always, don't forget to follow Book of Leaves on Instagram, Twitter or Facebook, leave us a review, and share with a friend x Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

As the saying goes, history often repeats itself. Could that also hold true when looking at the current state of the climate and where we may be heading? On this episode, the team talks with Dr. Michael Mann, the director of the University of Pennsylvania Center for Science, Sustainability, and the Media and one of the world's leading experts on climate change. They discuss his new book, “Our Fragile Moment,” that examines Earth's climate history. Mann explains why the climate change we're currently experiencing is unique, why the next decade is so critical to our future climate, and what could happen to life on Earth if no action is taken. We want to hear from you! Have a question for the meteorologists? Call 609-272-7099 and leave a message. You might hear your question and get an answer on a future episode! You can also email questions or comments to podcasts@lee.net. About the Across the Sky podcast The weekly weather podcast is hosted on a rotation by the Lee Weather team: Matt Holiner of Lee Enterprises' Midwest group in Chicago, Kirsten Lang of the Tulsa World in Oklahoma, Joe Martucci of the Press of Atlantic City, N.J., and Sean Sublette of the Richmond Times-Dispatch in Virginia. Episode transcript Note: The following transcript was created by Headliner and may contain misspellings and other inaccuracies as it was generated automatically: Sean Sublette: Hello once again, everybody. I'm, meteorologist Sean Sublette, and welcome to Across the Sky, our national Lee Enterprises weather podcast. Lee Enterprises has print and digital operations in more than 70 locations across the country, including in my home base in Richmond, Virginia. I'm joined by my colleagues from across the sky, Matt Holiner in Chicago, and Joe Martucci at the Jersey Shore. Kirsten Lang is out this week. Our very special guest this week is Dr. Michael Mann, director of the University of Pennsylvania Center for Science, Sustainability, and the Media, and the Presidential Distinguished Professor of Earth and Environmental Science. His latest book came out a couple of weeks ago called Our Fragile Moment. It goes through Earth's climate history to illustrate how we know what the current warming climate is without precedent in Earth's history. There is so much good stuff in this book. I could go on and on, but I really like the way he goes into paleo climate and helping us understand why we are at this moment in time and why he calls it Our Fragile Moment. And as a quick aside, in the book, he kind of alludes to, the police, the band The Police, and the, extinction of the dinosaurs and walking in your footsteps. So those of us of a certain age who remember that a good part of, you know, sting was the lead man of the police, and, Fragile was another song that Sting wrote. So this all kind of ties back into me. Here I am showing my age. but, guys, this is such a great conversation. What did you kind of take out of this? Joe Martucci: I think, you know, and just take a step back. I mean, Mike Mann is, I would say, one of the people who really put climate science on the map to the general public. So this is really a big interview that we have here. And, when you're listening, sometimes we're getting into the weeds, sometimes it's big philosophical questions. In fact, at the end, we talk about his thoughts on where our position as the human race is in the universe just by writing this book. So, it was a nice interview, and good to be with, Mike here. Matt Holiner: Yes, there are few people that are a bigger expert on climate change than Mike Mann. And so, yeah, we're honored to have him on the podcast. And what I like is how he talks about paleo climate, which is something that's starting to get a little bit of buzz now. I think everybody's accepted that, okay, the climate is changing now, but hasn't it changed in the past? And he does dive into that. Yes, it has changed, but what he points out is the change that we're undergoing right now is unique, and he. Joe Martucci: Points out why that is. Matt Holiner: And I really liked his discussion of that. Sean Sublette: Yeah, there is so much good stuff. So let's get right to it and start up with our interview with Dr. Michael Mann. Mike Mann, it is so good to have you on the across the sky podcast. Dr. Michael Mann writes a new book about climate change called ‘Our Fragile Moment' Sean Sublette: I want to jump right into this on this book, Our Fragile Moment. This is the 6th book. What I loved about this one is that it goes a lot deeper into understanding paleo climatology. For us real science geeks out there, it really gets into depth about how we know how we got to this fragile moment. So I wanted to start on the big picture. What motivated you to write this book now? Dr. Michael Mann: Yeah. Thanks, Sean. It's great to be with all of you. All three of you know, it's interesting, this is sort of where I got my start as, a climate scientist, Paleo Climate, the hockey stick curve that my co authors and I published. it's hard to believe now, but it's, two and a half decades ago, that graph became sort of this iconic symbol, in the climate change debate. And that's really how I sort of entered the fray. And so now, two and a half decades later, I decided, well, let's do a deeper dive, because the hockey stick only went back a thousand years. That's really shallow time, as we say in Paleo climate. We've got four plus billion years of Earth history to look at and let's see what we can learn from it. And so it's sort of a return to my roots, in a sense. I hadn't really written a book about paleo climate, even though it's where I started as a scientist. And there's another sort of driving force here as well, which, relates to my last book, The New Climate War, which is about sort of the challenges we face now as climate denial becomes almost untenable, because we can all sort of see the impacts of climate change playing out. Bad actors are using misinformation to delay transition off fossil fuels Dr. Michael Mann: But there are other tactics that bad actors are using to sort of delay the transition off fossil fuels. and one of them, ironically, is doom mongering. If they can convince us that it's too late to do anything about the problem, then why bother? And so I was seeing Paleo Climate, something that I hold dear. I was seeing paleo climate science. Weaponized. Now in the same way that climate deniers used to weaponize misinformation. I was seeing climate doomers weaponizing misinformation about paleo climate to convince us it's too late, that we're experiencing runaway warming. We are going to it's yet, another mass, extinction that we've set off that's unstoppable and we will all be gone in less than ten years. There were players out there, serious protagonists who have pretty large followings, who have been spreading that sort of misinformation. So I decided, let's reclaim paleo climate. Let's look at what the science actually says. And that was the purpose of the book initially, was to address some of those misconceptions that have been used to feed climate doomism. But in the process, I realized, well, no, there's a whole lot more to talk about. there are all sorts of lessons in 4 billion plus years of Earth history. Let's see what we can learn from it for sure. Sean Sublette: Before I turn it over to the other guys for questions, I want to talk a little bit more about that doomism concept. It's important to walk a line between urgency and agency, as you like to talk about, but get away from doomism. I'd like to point out I was actually talking to a Rotary Club earlier today, that there has been progress. Right. clearly there needs to be more, but I like to point out we're starting to phase out coal globally. So there are things going how do you walk that line in terms of this is important, we need to stay on it, showing that there's progress and not succumbing to doomism for folks who are kind of depressed about it. Dr. Michael Mann: Yeah, no, absolutely. And there's sort of two pieces to it. First of all, there is just the science. Like, does the science say that we've triggered unstoppable warming and nothing we do to reduce carbon emissions is going to make a difference? No, it doesn't. And I wanted to make that very clear. And no, the paleo climate record doesn't support that. the best available science, in fact, tells us now that the planet stops warming up when we stop adding carbon pollution to the atmosphere. So there's this direct and immediate impact, on the climate of our efforts to act here. There's another piece to it, though, which is sort of there's another sort of component to doismism, which is like, we're not going to get our act together. And you could argue that remains to be seen, that's at least Arguable, the science doesn't support runaway warming. It doesn't support that sort of side of doomism. But will we garner the will to tackle this problem? Only the, future will tell. But it's interesting because you mentioned Rotary Club. There are lots of reasons for optimism. Lots of reasons. Things that we can look at, where we can say we're making real progress, rotarians have really taken a leadership role on this issue. I've spoken to some Rotary Clubs, groups in the past, and the Youth Climate movement, right. I mean, just, there is all of this energy. I see. know I teach at the University Of Pennsylvania. Climate is probably the number one issue to these students today, to these gen zers. Now, some of them fall victim to climate anxiety and climate doomism. So it's really important for them to understand the agency part of that urgency and agency duality. But yeah, the science certainly doesn't support the notion that we can't do something about the climate crisis. And the paleo climate record certainly doesn't support that either. Joe Martucci: Hey, this is Joe and just want to thank you so much for coming on again. We really appreciate it. And best of luck to you and your, book here, Our Fragile Moment. More journalists are reporting on extreme weather events linked to climate change Joe Martucci: My question does partially relate to what you said about gen zers. And some people do have climate anxiety. And if you're young, you're impressionable you're getting content from a variety of different sources, right? More than ever before, when we talk about extreme weather events and parlaying this into climate change. Right. I feel like in the past five years, maybe three years, we've seen a lot of this recently. And I think, personally, from my perspective, it's good. It's always a good teaching moment to talk about the facts and to forecast the climate science. How do you feel, though, about journalists reporting on this, as opposed to meteorologists who are experts in their field? There's many great journalists all across the country. We know that. But just like I don't know everything about maybe astronomy, right. Journals may not be completely in sync with what's happening with some of these events. Dr. Michael Mann: I don't know if you could kind. Joe Martucci: Of give us where you fall on this and how you would like to see these extreme weather events being parlayed into coverage as we go forward. Dr. Michael Mann: Thanks, Joe. It's a great question. And, you were talking about young folks, and, I used to think of myself as a young person, and then today I realized that David Lee Roth is 69 years old. I finally forced to accept the fact that I am now old. But you're right, there is this, energy and passion, among young folks. And another part of what's going on is we're seeing the impacts of climate change now play out in a profound way in the form of these extreme weather events. And there's always sort of this delicate balance in the way we cover those events. You'll often hear people say, well, you can never blame any one, weather event, on climate change. and the thinking there has evolved quite a bit. We have detection and attribution. We can characterize how likely an event was to occur in the absence of climate change and how likely it was to occur. When we consider climate change and when we see that there's a huge increase when an event is a thousand year event without climate change, and it's suddenly a ten year event when we include climate change, then we can say, hey, the fact that we saw this is probably because we've warmed up the planet and we've made these sorts of events, these extreme heat waves, heat domes that we've been reading about, wildfires floods, superstorms. So there's this scientific machinery now that allows us to sort of characterize the impact that climate change is having on these events. But you're right. When you have trained meteorologists and climate experts who are familiar with that science, they're able to sort of frame it that way. When you have just sort of say, political journalists, journalists from other fields covering, the science, it's a quandary. It's very complicated because they're hearing conflicting things. They're hearing this. You can never blame any one event on climate change, but now they know that there is a way to try to characterize the impact that climate change is having. So I think there's some confusion among in the journalistic community right now. you also sometimes see it overplayed, right, where, like, every extreme event was caused by climate change. We can't say that it's like a loading of the dice. Sixes are going to come up anyways. The fact that they're coming up so often is because we've loaded those dice, by the warming of the planet. So it is a complicated topic, and it's difficult to even trained climate and meteorology, specialists, even for us, it can be sort of challenging to explain the science and how we're able to quantify the impact climate change is having on these events. And that means that it often gets very confused in the public discourse. And at the same time, I would say that we are seeing the signal of climate change now emerge from the noise in the form of these extreme weather events. And it's a lost opportunity for certain if we don't explain that to the public. And so I personally think that there has been sort of a shift towards journalists in general, recognizing that there is a relationship and mentioning that when they talk about these events, not as often as we might like them to do, but we do see much more of that now. Climate change is part of the conversation here. And that's a real game changer, because that's where the rubber hits the road. When people realize, oh, man, it's these devastating fires. I have a friend who lost a house, or I have people, I know who got flooded, by that storm. When people start to know people who have been impacted or who have been impacted themselves, when people have their own climate story to tell, it really changes the whole conversation. And I think we're seeing that shift. Matt Holiner: Hey, Mike, it's Matt, and I think you're right about the climate change just becoming a term that everyone is familiar with now. But I think the term that people aren't as familiar with that. Matt Holiner: You mentioned your book is Paleo climate. So when you're talking about paleo climate, how far back are you looking and what are you looking at to determine what the climate was thousands or millions of years ago? Dr. Michael Mann: So it's a matter of perspective, right? If you ask my daughter what's paleo climate LBO is like, those winters when you were growing up, that's paleo climate, to me, those 1970s winters. so it's always a matter of perspective. One person's paleo climate is another person's sort of recent, climate history. I focused a lot of my early work on the last thousand years where we could pull together all sorts of types of information to try to reconstruct in some detail how the climate had changed. but there are ways to go much further back. There are sediment cores. We can look at ancient, oxygen isotopes and reconstruct what ocean temperatures were and what, sea, levels were. so there's all of this wealth of information. And so what paleo climate really means, technically, it's anything that predates the historical era of the last couple of centuries where we actually have thermometer measurements or rain gauges measurements or what have you. Anything farther back than that, where we have to turn to indirect measures of climate like tree rings or corals or ice that becomes paleo climate. And so 1000 years that's paleoclimate. But a million years is paleoclimate and a billion years is paleoclimate. And the stories are so different on these different timescales. And the puzzles are all different. And each of these intervals, there are all of these events in Earth's climate history that I talk about in the book, and we can learn something from each of them. Snowball Earth. Yes, the Earth was once entirely covered in ice and unpacking. That tells us a lot about the dynamics of the climate system. the faint early sun. The great Carl Sagan recognized that the Earth should have been frozen 4 billion years ago, when life first emerged in the oceans. And we know it wasn't because there was liquid water, there was life. And he realized because the sun was only about 70% as bright back then, the Earth should have been frozen, but it wasn't. What, what's the explanation? How come there was an even stronger greenhouse effect? And it turns out that, gets us into sort of the Gaia hypothesis because there's this remarkable story where as the sun gradually gets brighter and the Earth should have got hotter and hotter, but it didn't because the greenhouse effect got weaker over time. And in just such a way that the planet's climate, with some exceptions, like snowball Earth, stayed within habitable bounds, within bounds, that are habitable for life. Why is that? that's a really interesting puzzle. And it turns out life itself plays a role in stabilizing the climate, the global carbon cycle, the oxygenation of the atmosphere. There are all of these things that life itself did to change the composition of our atmosphere and to change the dynamics of the planet. And amazingly, life works in such a way as to help keep the climate, Earth's climate, habitable for life. And so that's an interesting puzzle. There's a lot to learn from that as well. And that's a good thing, right? There are stabilizing factors within the climate system that helps us. There is a certain amount of resilience. And that's one of the arguments against doomism that we're getting some help from the behavior of Earth's climate. There's a m safety margin. There's a margin, where we can perturb the climate, and it will stay within habitable bounds. The problem and what makes this such a fragile moment is we're now sort of at the edge of that envelope of stability. And if we continue with business as usual, we continue to pollute the atmosphere with carbon pollution, we will leave that moment behind. We, will depart from the sort of climate upon which all of this societal infrastructure was built to support now a global population of more than 8 billion people. And that's the real threat today. Sean Sublette: All right, so we're going to take a quick break. We'll come back with a couple more key questions with Michael Mann on the across the sky podcast. Stay with us. Michael Mann talks about the chemistry that helps us reconstruct past climate Sean Sublette: And we're back with Dr. Michael Mann on the across the sky podcast. The new book is our fragile moment. It is a very deep dive, as they say, into paleo climatology, and why this particular moment in time is so crucial in the climate going forward. Mike, your expertise, obviously, is in paleo climates and all these things that we use geologically to reconstruct climate. A lot of us are familiar with the ice cores. also, these oxygen isotopes, those for the weather folks, are not quite as complicated. But, what I'd like to talk about a little bit, explain some of the chemistry that's involved, that help us tell us what the climate was like. When we look at ocean sediment cores, these are things that aren't classic atmospheric proxies, right? These are much more in the rocks, geological proxies, those stalagmites, stalactites, those kinds of things. Can you talk about what are we doing with these things in terms of chemistry that tell us what we need to know? Dr. Michael Mann: Yeah, so it's amazing. There are these paleothermometers, we sometimes, call them, and you think about ice, right? Ice is frozen water. That's h 20. And so there's an O in there. There's oxygen, atoms, in that ice. And it turns out that the ratio of heavy to light isotopes of oxygen there are two main stable isotopes of oxygen oxygen 16 and oxygen 18. And the ratio, of them is a function of, the temperature. And when you form precipitation, when you condense water vapor into a droplet, there is what we call fractionation, where the heavy and the light isotopes behave differently during that process. That's true for evaporation, it's true for condensation. And so if you think about what's going on an ice core, you're drilling down in the ice, and that ice got there because it snowed at some point. And that snow was condensation of water vapor in the atmosphere. And that water vapor originally came from the evaporation from the ocean surface. And so at each stage, we have what's called a fractionation, where you're getting some sort of separation between the behavior of oxygen 16 and oxygen 18. The bottom line is, because of that, we can say things about ancient sea level from oxygen isotopes in sediment cores. We can say something about temperature from oxygen isotopes in sediment cores. We can say something about temperature from ice in ice cores on land. And it isn't just oxygen. We can look at carbon isotopes because there's carbon twelve and carbon 13, two different stable isotopes of carbon. And that allows us, for example, to figure out, what happened with carbon dioxide, and what happened with ocean acidification, how much CO2 there was, dissolved in the ocean. In fact, if you really want to get into it, we can estimate the PH of the ocean from other isotopes, boron isotopes. And I'm not going to get into the chemistry of that. But the bottom line is there are all of these amazing we call them proxy data. It's almost like nature provided us a way to sort of solve this puzzle of what happened in distant past. Almost like we were given, clues. It's like, well, I'm going to give you these isotopes, and if you're smart, and if you figure out the chemistry and the physics, you will be able to figure out what happened to sea level, what happened to ocean temperatures, what happened to the amount of ice, what happened to the acidity of the ocean. All of these things that are very relevant to how carbon pollution is impacting our environment today. Matt Holiner: And Mike, I think we've reached a point now where everybody acknowledges that the climate is changing. It took us a long time to get here, but I think we've reached that point. But what people are pointing out now is that, as you're talking about with paleo climate, the Earth's climate has changed many times over the years, warming and cooling. So what makes the climate change that we're experiencing now unique compared to the past? Dr. Michael Mann: Yeah, it's a great question, because we can certainly find times in the distant past when carbon dioxide levels, greenhouse gas levels, carbon dioxide being the main sort of greenhouse, gas that varies over time. They were higher than they are today, and global temperatures were warmer than they are today. During the Early Cretaceous Period, dinosaurs were wandering the polar regions of the planet. There was no ice on, the face of the Earth. We've seen Earth go from ice covered to ice free. So we know there are times when it's been much colder than today. And there are times when it's been considerably warmer than today. So then the question is, all right, well, then what makes climate change such a problem? Because even if we warm the planet, with carbon pollution, we're not going to get up to those Early Cretaceous levels. Well, actually, if we tried really hard, we could. If we extracted every bit of fossil fuels we could find, we could do that. Why? Because all of that carbon that was in the atmosphere slowly got deposited beneath the surface of the Earth in what we today call fossil fuels, ancient carbon, organic carbon that got buried in soils or shells that fell to the bottom of the ocean. Carbon that was in the atmosphere, got buried beneath the surface of the planet and came down from those very high early Cretaceous levels, over 100 million years. Due to those natural processes, carbon dioxide levels came down. Well, what we're doing now is we're taking all that carbon that got buried over 100 million years beneath the surface and we're putting it back into the atmosphere, but we're doing it a million times faster. We're taking carbon that was buried over 100 million years and we're putting it back up in the atmosphere over 100 years. And so I sometimes say if I was going to write a slogan for this, it would be, it's the rate, stupid. We all remember, it's the economy, stupid. I think we're old enough some of us are old enough to remember that was sort of a political sort of logo. Well, it's the rate, stupid. Which is to say it's not so much how warm the planet is or, what the CO2 levels are. It's what climate are you adapted to and how rapidly are you moving away from that climate. Because we have developed this massive societal infrastructure over a 6000 year period. Civilization, I talk about sort of the origins of civilization in Mesopotamia, 6000 years was the first true civilization. And it turns out global temperatures were remarkably stable for six, seven, 8000 years during which we developed all of this infrastructure that supports eight plus billion people. And we are dependent on the stability of that climate and its ability to continue to support that infrastructure which we've created. And if we're rapidly changing the climate and moving out of that window of variability during which we created civilization, that's a real threat. If the warming exceeds our adaptive capacity and it exceeds the adaptive capacity of other living things, life has learned to adapt to, climate changes that take place over tens of millions of years. That's pretty easy. Adapting to climate changes of similar magnitude that take place over tens of years, that's much more difficult. And again, what makes it so fragile, such a fragile moment for us is that we have leveraged the number of people who can live on this planet, what we call the carrying capacity of the planet. We've probably leveraged it by a factor of ten. Through our technology, through our infrastructure. We can support eight plus billion people because we have all of this infrastructure, agricultural infrastructure, engineering. But it's fragile, right? Because if the planet warms dramatically and that infrastructure no longer remains viable, then we can no longer support that elevated carrying capacity. Then we revert to the natural carrying capacity of the planet, which is maybe a billion people. And you think about that. The planet without our infrastructure, without our technology, probably can't support more than a billion people. We've got more than 8 billion people. That's why we can't afford to destabilize the infrastructure that supports human civilization today. And that's what dramatic warming, that's what unmitigated climate change will do. How does studying Paleo climatology make you see our place in the universe? Joe Martucci: John said, I had the last question here, so I'll wrap up with this. how does studying Paleo climatology and maybe even writing this book make you see our space or our race as humans in this universe? Because a lot of what you're talking about, you said Fragile Rights, the name of the book. How do you see our place in the universe, given what you've studied over the decade? Dr. Michael Mann: Thanks. It's a great question. and it's something I get into a little bit. Have some fun. At one point, we do some thought experiments. Some thought experiments, like, what if in one of the chapters, which is on, an episode of rapid warming, and by rapid warming, we mean, like, over 10,000 or 20,000 years rapid on geological timescales. Nothing like what we're doing today. But there was this period of relatively rapid warming, about 56 million years ago. We call it the PETM. Stands for the Paleocene eocene thermal maximum. It just rolls right off the tongue. And it was this period during which there was a massive injection of carbon dioxide into the system. Obviously, there weren't SUVs, and there weren't coal fired power plants. This was a natural input of volcanism through unusually intense volcanic eruptions, centered in Iceland, that tapped into a very carbon rich reservoir and put a very large amount of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere over a relatively short period of time. And so it turns out that you can ask the question, can we rule out the possibility that there was an intelligent civilization back then that went on this massive fossil fuel burning spree and basically extinguished themselves? And my good friend Gavin Schmidt, who's the director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, has written a paper and has written some popular, essays about this idea because of the Silurian hypothesis. and it's basically imagine lizard people who existed 56 million. How can we rule out that that's what happened? And I grew up watching the land of the lost. And, Gavin, around the same time he was in Britain, and I think it was Dr who had a similar that's where the Silurian there were, like, these reptile beings, that basically destroyed their environment. And so it's a really interesting question. Can we rule that out? And in the process of trying to rule that out, it actually raises some really interesting questions about, what are the conditions for life? Do intelligent civilizations extinguish themselves naturally? this is sometimes called the Fermi paradox. it was something that Carl Sagan thought about if the universe is teeming. With life? How come we're not hearing from them? How come we're not getting radio signals? And it turns out you can look at all of the different how many planetary systems are there in the universe? You can sort of try to do the math and figure out how many intelligent civilizations you might expect there to be in the universe based on various assumptions. And it turns out the defining problem, all the uncertainty comes down to when intelligent civilizations emerge, how long do they persist for? Do they extinguish themselves? And that would be one explanation of Fermi's paradox. Obviously, it's very personal to us. We don't want to think that, we are on our own way to self caused extinction. So there's some deep questions there. When you look at Paleo Climate and you look at some of these past episodes, you can start to ask some larger questions that tap into these deeper philosophical questions about our place in the universe. is there life elsewhere in the universe? The thinking that you go through turns out to be very relevant to the thinking that you need to go through for, Know. And the punchline is, Adam. I'm going to draw a blank on his, so, he's a well known astrophysicist, and writes about the search for extraterrestrial life. Adam and I'm drawing a blank on his last name, which is very embarrassing. I'm, sure he'll watch this and be very upset at me. but, he actually came to Gavin because he was interested in the search for extraterrestrial life and asking some questions about climate change and climate change on other planets. and could that explain why we're not hearing from other civilizations? Because they cause climate change and they extinguish themselves. And, Adam Frank is his name, and he's a well known sort of, science communicator, astrophysics search for extraterrestrial, sort of continuing the legacy of Carl Sagan and the Planetary Society and the sorts of questions that they were asking. So he came to Gavin, who's a climate modeler, and know, I want to work on, know, figuring out if climate change could have been what caused these other potential civilizations elsewhere in the universe to extinguish themselves. And then Gavin says, how do we know that that didn't happen on Earth? And they go through this amazing sort of thought experiment, and it turns out it's hard at first blush to rule out that that's what happened. For example, the PETM. It takes quite a bit of work to convince yourself that it couldn't have been ancient lizard people that burned, fossil fuels. and so, yeah, so there's a lot you can learn from what are seemingly silly thought experiments that actually start to get at some pretty deep questions about us and our place in the universe. Sean Sublette: We know not all questions are silly. What plate tectonics has only been around for about 100 years or so. And everybody kind of thought, well, that was silly at the time. Dr. Michael Mann: Mike, we're going to stickers stop plate tectonics bumper stickers. Sean Sublette: Yeah, we're going to let you go. But, again, the book is our fragile moment. Social media is a mess nowadays, but where's the best place people can find you digitally and online? Dr. Michael Mann: Well, they can still find me on, what are we calling it this day? X. that's what it's called this week. But, I've sort of diversified. You can find me pretty much on all of the major social media platforms now. I'm still on Twitter. X, and, Instagram and mastodon and Blue, sky, and I'm forgetting threads. It's like, now we've got to be so diversified because we're no longer confident we can rely on the one that we were all relying on for so long. But, yeah, I'm out there and people can find me at WW Michaelman Net. So, yeah, it was great talking with you guys and I, hope to do so again. Sean Sublette: Mike, appreciate it so much. Take care. travel safely. Good luck promoting the book. and it's great. I mean, I've read it. It's just wonderful. And also, I will say this publicly. Thanks for the little shout out at the back, my friend. Dr. Michael Mann: Thank you, my friend. It was great talking with you guys. Sean Sublette: Those are some very deep answers, guys. where is our place in the universe and this concept of lizard people from 50 OD million years ago. and the things you will go down the road you will go down when you start doing these thought experiments. But for me, the importance here, I think what Mike said is the pace of the warming is without precedent. What we're doing is happening so fast, it is going to be difficult to adapt. Some things are going to adapt more easily than others. And that's why this moment in time is so particular. Yeah, it's been warmer in the past, but our civilization, which is increasingly global over these last 2000, 3000 years in particular, last couple of hundred years, where the population has just blossomed, really kind of dependent on the climate that we have out there now. Guys, what do you think? Joe, what did you kind of take away from? Joe Martucci: Well, you know, anytime we talk about our place in the really, I don't know, just really focused on the topic because it does make you think about in some ways, how small we are relative to everything. And not just even planet Earth and the spec of the universe, but also human life in the span of the Earth's long, long history. And like he also said a few minutes before that question, it's the rate of change of the warming that's unique. I say this a lot of times when I do public talks. I said, listen, yeah, we've been warmer than we've been before, we've been colder than we've been before. But barring like an asteroid or some cataclysmic event, this is the only time we're really changing at such a rate. and there's facts and forecasts, and then there's what to do or not to do about it. And that's where your beliefs come in. But there's no denying that the rate of change, a lot of this is significant and something we haven't seen really in the scope of human history. And beyond that, the Earth's history, again, minus the early millions, billion, two or four years, when the Earth was really trying to just get itself together, for lack of a better word. And in some of these asteroid or supervolcano events, it happened as well. Matt Holiner: I would say this was a humbling conversation, because also at the end, when he was talking about why haven't we encountered other intelligent life? And then the comment that stood out to me is like, maybe it has existed, but because of their actions, resulted in their own extinction, and are we headed down that path? And is that why we haven't encountered intelligent life? And then, the other comment that he made is when he was talking about carrying capacity, and now the Earth has a population of 8 billion. But you take out our technology, and what we could see if we continue on this path, if the climate continues. To the rate the change that it's. Matt Holiner: Experiencing now, that carrying capacity could drop to a billion. And then you think, you think about going from a population of 8 billion people to 1 billion, 7 billion people disappearing. That makes the hair stand your, arms and to think about could we result in our own extinction by our actions? And when you hear that, you want to say, let's not make that mistake, let's do something about this. Because again, the other comment was it's the rate stupid? And he talks about, yes, climate has changed in the past. And that's what some people keep coming out. It's like, well, what's the big deal if the climate has changed the past? We're just going through another cycle, but it's never changed at this pace and. Joe Martucci: We can't keep up. Matt Holiner: He also talked about the planet has taken care of itself. When the sun became stronger, the greenhouse effect decreased. And so there has been that the Earth has all these protections in place to kind of keep the climate in balance. But we're breaking that. We're breaking these natural protections. That's why he calls it our fragile moment. Because if we continue at this pace, the Earth isn't going to be able to heal itself. And so we have to take action to make sure we don't lose 7 billion people. So, again, we don't want to talk about the doomism. So it's a fine balance, though, because we absolutely have to take action, but know that we can take action. This is not hopeless. We still have time to fix this. Problem, so let's get on it. Sean Sublette: Yeah, as he says, there is urgency, but there is also agency. So I think that that's the quote that I like from him, most of all. So as we look to some other episodes coming down the pike, a little bit less heady. coming up next week, we've got Paul James of HGTV. We're going to look at the science of changing leaves. We are thick into, the fall right now, the leaves changing from north to south across the country, and we're also working in the background to bring you a broader winter forecast. We're still turning a couple of knobs on that, but we're working on that. I'll be talking to Neil degrasse Tyson in a few weeks. We'll bring that to the podcast. also I've talked to a couple of colleagues, the fifth national climate assessments coming out, and we're going to say, well, what does that mean and why should we care? We'll answer those questions. we've got one more, Joe. you've got somebody coming in from Ohio State, right? Joe Martucci: Yeah, we do. That's coming up in a couple of weeks. That's for your, November 6 episode. We're speaking with Dr. Lawrence Sutherland, and it's tips prepare older loved ones in case of natural disasters or extreme weather. I've covered this topic a, number of times for the press of Atlantic City, where I'm based out of shout out to everybody listening Jersey, but talking about, some of the challenges our senior citizens are having when there are these kind of extreme weather events. so that should be really good. I'm looking forward to that one, too. And that one comes out on November. Sean Sublette: So we have got a lot of good stuff in the pipeline in the weeks ahead, but for now, we're going to close up shop. So for Joe Martucci at the Jersey Shore. Matt Hollner in Chicagoland. I'm meteorologist Sean Subletz at the Richmond Times dispatch. We'll talk with you next time. Thanks for listening to the across the sky podcast.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

For anyone looking to understand Earth's climate history and the unfolding climate crisis, Michael Mann has got you covered. Mann is the Presidential Distinguished Professor in the Department of Earth and Environmental Science at the University of Pennsylvania and director of the Penn Center for Science, Sustainability, and the Media. He has authored numerous books, including The New Climate War and The Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars. He was selected by Scientific American as one of the fifty leading visionaries in science and technology in 2002 and was elected to the U.S. National Academy of Sciences in 2020. “Climate doomism” – the idea that it's too late to act on the climate crisis – is a common refrain that promotes inaction. But in his new book, Our Fragile Moment: How Lessons from Earth's Past Can Help Us Survive the Climate Crisis, Mann argues that we can avoid catastrophe if we take meaningful action to address the crisis. On this episode, Mike Burns, Mathematica senior director of communications and public affairs, speaks with Mann about his new book and preserving “our fragile moment.” Topics addressed include: • Lessons that can–and cannot–be drawn from Earth's climate history • Why seemingly insignificant temperature changes aren't so insignificant • The concepts of urgency and agency, and obstacles to climate action • “Shifting baseline syndrome” – the gradual change in expected norms for environmental conditions • Weighing the paleoclimate record with other sources of information about the climate system • Effective communication and messaging strategies around climate science and climate change A full transcript of this episode is available here: https://www.mathematica.org/blogs/climate-scientist-michael-mann-on-preserving-our-fragile-moment Learn more about Mann's new book, Our Fragile Moment: How Lessons from Earth's Past Can Help Us Survive the Climate Crisis: https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/michael-e-mann/our-fragile-moment/9781541702899/?lens=publicaffairs Read Mann's full bio: https://michaelmann.net/content/about

Wait, what? More climate? Yes, I know I promised no more climate change but I wanted to include this book in my research of climate change, but the waiting list at the library was too long and it didn't arrive in time.So, I thought I would do a review of my thoughts on the book.Well, let's dive in for a look!Support the show

Dr Michael E. Mann (super notorious climate scientist; El Niño expert) is a Presidential Distinguished Professor of Earth & Environmental Science at the University of Pennsylvania, Director of the Penn Center for Science, Sustainability and the Media and a fellow of the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry (and more such academic titles). But he is best known for bringing the world the “hockey-stick graph” back in 1999, which showed a sharp “uptick” in global temperatures since the industrial age and signalled to the world “humans did it!”.This conversation, however, goes to a new chapter in the climate fight. We cover two doozies: the role of Russian interference in the Australian carbon pricing fight and the terrifying El Niño event set to hit as early as July. I also push Michael to be honest - does he have hope, or is it a professional front…Michael is touring Australia with Think Inc. in May/June 2023Pre-Order a copy of Michael's book The Climate War hereIf you need to know a bit more about me… head to my "about" pageSubscribe to my Substack newsletter for more such conversationGet your copy of my book, This One Wild and Precious LifeLet's connect on Instagram! It's where I interact the most Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

A fast-spreading wildfire burning out of control in California on the doorstep of Yosemite National Park has forced thousands to flee their homes. Hot and dry conditions, linked to climate change, are making it a tough fire to fight. Michael Mann, a professor of atmospheric science at Penn State University and author of "The New Climate War," joins Geoff Bennett to discuss climate change's role. PBS NewsHour is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders

A fast-spreading wildfire burning out of control in California on the doorstep of Yosemite National Park has forced thousands to flee their homes. Hot and dry conditions, linked to climate change, are making it a tough fire to fight. Michael Mann, a professor of atmospheric science at Penn State University and author of "The New Climate War," joins Geoff Bennett to discuss climate change's role. PBS NewsHour is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders

In New Mexico, thousands of firefighters are battling a colossal wildfire that has become the largest in state history. A historic drought coupled with climate change has led to longer and more destructive wildfires across the West. Michael Mann, a professor of atmospheric science at Penn State University and author of "The New Climate War" joins Geoff Bennett to discuss. PBS NewsHour is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders

In New Mexico, thousands of firefighters are battling a colossal wildfire that has become the largest in state history. A historic drought coupled with climate change has led to longer and more destructive wildfires across the West. Michael Mann, a professor of atmospheric science at Penn State University and author of "The New Climate War" joins Geoff Bennett to discuss. PBS NewsHour is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders

Professor Michael Mann from Penn State University and the author of "The New Climate War" talks about how and why a rash of tornadoes ripped through parts of the U.S. The interview with Professor Mann can be found here. Oysters could play a critical role in helping protect Bangladesh from rising sea levels - "COP26: Could oysters help to save Bangladesh from rising seas?" Other Quick Climate Links for today are: "Liberals use deadly tornados to attack Republicans on climate change"; "Good citizen award? No thanks, young climate campaigners tell Welsh council"; "How Bangladesh's poor are paying the costs of climate damage"; "Australia's Booming Circular Economy"; "13 things we learned from the landmark IPCC climate report"; "Inside the race to scale up CO2 capture technology and hit net zero"; "Global CO2 emissions have almost returned to pre-pandemic levels"; "Projects selected for Phase 1 of the Direct air capture and greenhouse gas removal programme"; "Earth will hit 1.5°C climate limit within 20 years, says IPCC report"; "A ‘false solution'? How crypto mining became the oil industry's new hope"; "Coalition splashes $2.3bn on marginal seat projects including Queensland inland rail"; "Molasses-like material promises cheap, large-scale battery storage for wind and solar"; "Science Museum ‘must lay down conditions' to fossil fuel sponsors"; "How banks are using technology to fight climate change"; "Leveraging the Ocean's Carbon Removal Potential"; "Everything you need to know about Doug Ford's controversial plans for new highways in Ontario"; "NSW grants Vales Point coal plant further five-year exemption from emissions limit"; "Extreme heatwave conditions in the north-west, hot in the south-east as the storms start up again"; "Waterbirds in eastern Australia declining despite breeding boost from wet years, survey finds"; "Former Wallaby David Pocock announces run for ACT Senate seat at next federal election"; "How much indoor air pollution do we produce when we take a shower?"; "Study reveals new climate threat for fish"; "How measuring emissions in real-time can help cities achieve net-zero"; "Antarctica's Doomsday Glacier Is Close to Becoming Unhinged"; "Retiree renovates Colorado home to produce more energy than it uses"; "Hackers throw Indonesian palm oil seminar into chaos, fuelling blame game"; "Peat sales to gardeners in England and Wales to be banned by 2024"; "Warming temperatures threaten Greece's prized olive oil"; "Russia vetoes UN security council resolution linking climate crisis to international peace"; "Alan Kohler: Politicians are failing us on climate change. They must do this instead"; "The Great Danger of the Tiny Bark Beetle"; "Climate scientists: concept of net-zero is a dangerous trap"; "CSIRO research trip discovers ecological benefit to volcanic eruptions"; "PFAS ‘forever chemicals' constantly cycle through ground, air and water, study finds"; "Adani is poised to ship its first coal – is this failure for Australia's defining climate campaign?"; "The US is making plans to replace all of its lead water pipes from coast to coast"; "Coal Powered the Industrial Revolution. It Left Behind an ‘Absolutely Massive' Environmental Catastrophe"; "Global Warming Can Set The Stage for Deadly Tornadoes"; "Inside Clean Energy: Unpacking California's Controversial New Rooftop Solar Proposal"; "Biden Promised to Stop Oil Drilling on Public Lands. Is His Failure to Do So a Betrayal or a Smart Political Move?"; "Warming Trends: A Potential Decline in Farmed Fish, Less Ice on Minnesota Lakes and a ‘Black Box' for the Planet". Enjoy "Music for a Warming World". Support the show: https://www.patreon.com/climateconversations

In this week's episode, host Daniel Raimi talks with Casey Wichman, an assistant professor in the School of Economics at Georgia Tech and an RFF university fellow. Wichman and several coauthors recently published a working paper that uses a field experiment to estimate how smart thermostats and time-varying electricity pricing can help reduce household utility bills and demands on the power sector. As more and more of us install smart thermostats, Wichman discusses how much money these devices can help us save, how the devices affect the temperatures in our homes, and what smart thermostats might mean for the grid's reliability and environmental impact. References and recommendations: “Smart Thermostats, Automation, and Time-Varying Prices” by Joshua Blonz, Karen Palmer, Casey Wichman, and Derek C. Wietelman; https://www.rff.org/publications/working-papers/smart-thermostats-automation-and-time-varying-prices/ “Savings Versus Comfort: How Smarter Thermostats Can Respond to Time-Varying Prices” by Karen Palmer; https://www.resources.org/common-resources/savings-versus-comfort-how-smarter-thermostats-can-respond-to-time-varying-prices/ “The New Climate War” by Michael E. Mann; https://www.publicaffairsbooks.com/titles/michael-e-mann/the-new-climate-war/9781541758223/ “Why Fish Don't Exist” by Lulu Miller; https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Why-Fish-Dont-Exist/Lulu-Miller/9781501160349

Join us as we re-release of our favorite interviews that we have done, with one of the truly great climate scientists and communicators, Professor Michael Mann!Michael Mann, Distinguished Professor at The Pennsylvania State University, has a long history of studying and discussion climate change.  His new book, titled The New Climate War, is out now!In this episode we interview Mike about his journey in academia, what the new climate war is all about, and what he sees as the best path towards solutions.  We discuss how last climate war has ended, what we all can do to fix the problem, and how Dr. Mann sees the future working out.Remember to leave us a rating and a review, and share PlanetGeo with your friends! Follow us on all the social medias @planetgeocast. Dr. Michael E. Mann received his undergraduate degrees in Physics and Applied Math from the University of California at Berkeley, an M.S. degree in Physics from Yale University, and a Ph.D. in Geology & Geophysics from Yale University.Dr. Mann was a Lead Author on the Observed Climate Variability and Change chapter of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Third Scientific Assessment Report in 2001 and was organizing committee chair for the National Academy of Sciences Frontiers of Science in 2003. He has received a number of honors and awards including NOAA's outstanding publication award in 2002 and selection by Scientific American as one of the fifty leading visionaries in science and technology in 2002. He contributed, with other IPCC authors, to the award of the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize. He was awarded the Hans Oeschger Medal of the European Geosciences Union in 2012 and was awarded the National Conservation Achievement Award for science by the National Wildlife Federation in 2013. He made Bloomberg News' list of fifty most influential people in 2013.  In 2014, he was named Highly Cited Researcher by the Institute for Scientific Information (ISI) and received the Friend of the Planet Award from the National Center for Science Education. He received the Stephen H. Schneider Award for Outstanding Climate Science Communication from Climate One in 2017, the Award for Public Engagement with Science from the American Association for the Advancement of Science in 2018 and the Climate Communication Prize from the American Geophysical Union in 2018. In 2019 he received the Tyler Prize for Environmental Achievement and in 2020 he received the World Sustainability Award of the MDPI Sustainability Foundation. He was elected to the U.S. National Academy of Sciences in 2020. He is a Fellow of the American Geophysical Union, the American Meteorological Society, the Geological Society of America, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry. He is also a co-founder of the award-winning science website RealClimate.org.——————————————————Instagram: @planetgeocastTwitter: @planetgeocastFacebook: @planetgeocastEmail: planetgeocast@gmail.comWebsite: https://planetgeocast.buzzsprout.com/ 

America's Professor Michael Mann has long been shoulder deep in the climate conversation and his latest book, "The New Climate War" provides us with some tools to confront the climate deniers. Other Quick Climate Links for today are: "Australian scientists develop seagrass map to help protect Great Barrier Reef"; "Voter support for more ambitious 2030 emissions cuts eases"; "Former ABC reporter Zoe Daniel to fight Liberals on climate and integrity"; "Australian climate activists battling increased repression and surveillance, new report says"; "Cuts, conflict and collaboration: how the Ford government built a bridge to conservation authorities"; "Headwater Hikes"; "Ford government is harming endangered species, boosting industry through environment ministry: audit"; "State of Energy Research Conference 2021"; "Storm Arwen: Met Office warns of 75mph winds and snow"; "Activists take court action against Boris Johnson over climate crisis"; "Artworks to highlight air pollution's role in death of London girl"; "Can lawsuits, boardroom takeovers and protests save the planet?"; "Qantas unveils ‘green tier' membership for carbon-conscious travellers"; "Man dies, fears for Sydney dam as flood crisis escalates"; "How climate change is raising the price of your pumpkin pie"; "How to make your home more resilient to natural disasters"; "Electric cars averaged more travel than petrol vehicles in Australia in past year"; "India ‘cannot escape' coal phasedown, top coal ministry official says"; "Germany to quit coal by 2030 under coalition agreement, aiming for 1.5C path"; "EU's reformed agricultural policy fails its climate goals, say green groups"; "UN shipping body considers zero-emissions goal, defers decision to 2023"; "The street and the boardroom are closer than they have ever been on climate"; "Why I am calling on EU lawmakers to put climate at the heart of agricultural policy"; "Glasgow Climate Pact: what happened at COP26 and what it means for the world"; "Throne speech outlines Liberal agenda for COVID-19 recovery, climate adaptation"; "CSIRO study finds climate change is fuelling more ‘megafires' in Australia"; "Morning Update: Canada's emissions record worst in the G7, Environment Commissioner say"; "Can lawsuits, boardroom takeovers and protests save the planet?"; "Calling mountain firefighters" "CSIRO study proves climate change driving Australia's 800% boom in bushfires"; "Former ABC journalist Zoe Daniel to run as an independent against Liberal MP Tim Wilson in Victoria"; "Australia's spy agency predicted the climate crisis 40 years ago – and fretted about coal exports"; "Why the Energy Transition Will Be So Complicated"; "How ‘Climate Migrants' Are Roiling American Politics"; "Evacuation orders and rescues as rising floodwaters impact two states"; "Alan Kohler: Ignore the spin, Australia already has two carbon taxes"; "Our climate promises are vaporware"; "360 info: Hydrogen rush could shift world energy order"; "Canada's Tar Sands: Destruction So Vast and Deep It Challenges the Existence of Land and People"; "The Clean Energy Transition Enters Hyperdrive"; "New York's Right to ‘a Healthful Environment' Could Be Bad News for Fossil Fuel Interests"; "More Young People Don't Want Children Because of Climate Change. Has the UN Failed to Protect Them?" Enjoy "Music for a Warming World".   Support the show: https://www.patreon.com/climateconversations

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A major contributor to climate change happens right in our kitchens: food waste. But why is it so hard to solve? And how can home bakers bake it away, deliciously? In this episode, host Caroline Saunders traces the evolution of food waste in American cooking – and tips to solve it – with columnist and professor Amanda Little, climate expert Kari Hamerschlag, and cookbook authors Anne Byrn and Anne-Marie Bonneau. The Zero Waste Chef Anne-Marie Bonneau shares a recipe for sourdough discard chocolate cake, available on www.sustainablebaker.com. Connect with The Sustainable Baker Read the latest blog posts and find recipes from the show at www.sustainablebaker.com Follow the show on instagram @sustainablebaker More Resources Follow the Zero Waste Chef Anne-Marie Bonneau on Instagram and check out her cookbook Follow cookbook author Anne Byrn on Instagram and check out her newest cookbook, A New Take on Cake, available for preorder now Follow Amanda Little on Instagram and Twitter and check out her book The Fate of Food Check out Friends of the Earth US's work www.foe.org Check out Michael Mann's book The New Climate War

In 1998, Michael E. Mann and two of his colleagues published the “hockey stick” graph that would revolutionize and galvanize climate activism. It showed the exponential acceleration of global warming since 1900 and that human reliance on carbon-based fuels was making the planet hotter and the climate consequently more unstable. Mann is now a Distinguished Professor of Atmospheric Science at Penn State and has authored several books, including his latest, The New Climate War: The Fight to Take Back Our Planet, a finalist for the 2021 Financial Times and McKinsey Business Book of the Year Award. He joins the podcast to talk about why, after decades of inaction, we're at an existential crossroads: keep doing nothing and watch the planet warm to levels that create catastrophic climate change, or take the necessary steps right now to decarbonize our economy and end our dependence on fossil fuels. Listen to this episode to learn: • How a spate of inactivists and bad actors have deceived, distracted, and delayed meaningful climate action -- and that fighting against this PR and messaging campaign is the battleground of our “new climate war” • Why mainstream messaging that focuses on personal responsibility (i.e., eat less meat, cut back on air travel, lower your carbon footprint) deflects from what's really causing climate change and the big, systematic changes needed to stop it • The vital leadership role companies must play in fighting climate change -- but why corporate greenwashing initiatives and individual “net zero” commitments, while well-intentioned, are not enough • How the financial industry has in many ways been more progressive than most governments in taking meaningful action against climate change • How words like “adaptation” and “resilience” and promises of “technological innovation” are really just forms of distraction and climate inaction • Why Mann is “cautiously optimistic” about our ability to avoid catastrophic climate change

Michael Mann, one of the world's preeminent experts on climate change, said in a Boston Globe editorial published shortly after the devastating storm made landfall in Sept. '21: “Hurricane Ida was a shot across the Earth's bow."  Michael is distinguished professor of atmospheric science at Penn State University, with joint appointments in the Earth and Environmental Systems Institute and the Department of Geosciences and the Earth. He is the author of five best-selling books, including the recently published “The New Climate War: The Fight to Take Back Our Planet” as well as “The Tantrum that Saved the World: A Carbon Neutral Kids' Book” and “The Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars.” In 2019, Michael received the Tyler Prize for Environmental Achievement, often called the “Nobel Prize for the Environment,” and in 2020, he was elected to the U.S. National Academy of Sciences. He has written or co-written more than 230 climate-focused academic papers, and is a widely sought-after commentator on the science, societal and political aspects of climate change. Michael tells podcast host Grant Oliphant that it is indeed still possible to avert the most devastating impacts of climate change, and believes indisputable science and a burgeoning youth environmental movement are key to our future. “The forces for action have now aligned,” he said. Learn what we need to do next on this episode of “We Can Be.”   “We Can Be” is hosted by Heinz Endowments President Grant Oliphant, and produced by the Endowments, Josh Franzos and Tim Murray. Theme music by Josh Slifkin. Guest inquiries may be made to Scott Roller at sroller@heinz.org. Guest image by Joshua Yospyn, courtesy michaelmann.net.   

In episode 8, Institute Chair Jerry Brown interviews leading climate scientist Dr. Michael Mann. The pair discuss the latest climate science, including the new Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report, the need to tackle short-lived climate pollutants, and Mann's new book, “The New Climate War.”

Hi,I had my first surfing lesson this month. I wasn’t very good.It started off okay: I was pretty good at paddling, and smashing through some (tiny) waves to get out. I managed to keep by surf board straight, and I could up sit up and turn around pretty quickly. I could even paddle and catch a wave. The problem was standing up. How in God’s name are you meant to stand up? What, you’re meant to go from this wonderful lying down position to magically standing and balancing while a wave threatens to smash down around you? In other news I had a great time and got a very chafed pink belly. It was some escapism from a month that seemed doomed. The Delta variant has been making its presence known. US hospitals are stretched. Nine Inch Nails cancelled all their shows that I was looking forward to seeing (wise), and New Zealand has gone into a nationwide lockdown (also wise).And in the midst of this, the UN’s “Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change” released a new report that felt like a swift punch to the face. Their reports are usually sobering reading, but this one was horrifying. A “code red for humanity” is how UN Secretary-General António Guterres put it.The climate right now is warmer than it has been in about 125,000 years. And it’s just going to keep getting worse with more droughts, wildfires and floods. We aren’t on target to stop something that now seems all but inevitable. All this was running through my head as I walked to the beach, preparing to be pummelled on my board. The sun was unrelenting, and the literal cliff to my left was a fitting metaphor for humanity’s approach to the crisis we all face. And the question running through all of our heads? “What the fuck can we do about it?” When it comes to talk of the environment, many of us are trying to do out bit. We throw our recycling in the right bin, we use those re-usable bags at the supermarkets, and maybe we try and walk to the shops instead of drive.All the things we’ve being told will help save the planet. But we’re not making a lick of difference. It’s futile, apart from making us feel good about ourselves. We are — as today’s guest Joshua Drummond writes — being denied climate agency. Because we’re trapped in a system that makes it utterly impossible to make a difference. Josh has written for Webworm before, about what QAnon has in common with Evangelical Christianity. That piece seems relevant again this week, as City Impact Church held a “special meeting” for the pastor to spread anti-vaxx messaging in New Zealand.But today, Josh writes about our total lack climate agency and how that makes us feel utterly unhinged. He also offers some ideas about what we can do. It’s a great essay, and I’m so glad to leave it with you for weekend reading. Or listening, in its podcast form. David.If you want more Webworm and to support the work I do here, you can become a monthly or yearly paying member. Only consider doing this if it doesn’t cause you any financial hardship! Imprisoned in a System That Won’t Let Us Act Sanely.an essay by Joshua DrummondI jumped off a cliff once. Everyone else was doing it.It was at Northland waterfall, and I was about 17. The place was a popular swimming hole and there were quite a few spots my mates and I would jump off and do bombs, but there’s one particular bit where — if you get enough of a run-up — you can clear the cliffside and plummet a height even greater than the falls.My mates and I worked up to it. I didn’t go first; I’ve never been great with heights, but I wanted to prove myself. Plus, I have an innate practical streak that wants to see if someone else is going to get impaled before I jump into murky water myself.They jumped, they didn’t die, it was my turn. I jumped too.I didn’t regret it immediately; that came about a tenth of a second in, when gravity grabbed my guts in an unclenching fist and squeezed and twisted and pulled down. It was a visceral lesson; the laws of physics are a pantheon of terrible gods. They’re the authority by which cause and effect abide, and they don’t care about you. I’d fucked with the great god gravity, and this was the “finding out” phase.This month started with a similar set of sensations. A lurch in my stomach, a sudden, dizzying rush of anxiety. The same sense of inevitability, of being at the mercy of a caused effect. I know the feeling well, now. I get it every time a new major climate change report is released.The IPCC has just released their Sixth Assessment Report, which draws a conclusion that will leave few surprised; climate change is real, it’s happening now, it’s getting worse, and it will get much worse if it’s not stopped. Importantly, the report takes pains to underscore the fact that there is much we can and should do to stop warming, but that ray of hope is not what brings the feeling of falling off a cliff, the sensation as inevitability sets in and gravity grabs at your guts, pulling and twisting.The problem isn’t the fall: it’s that we’re currently doing very little to break it. It’s as if (to work the cliff-jump metaphor some more) we’re in free fall and the pool’s dry, but if we’re really quick we can fill it so the fall won’t kill us or even hurt too much — but the controls for the emergency sluice-gates are kept by a very small and very rich group of people who are all saying “nah, saving you would cost us too much. We’re opting for splat.”We know exactly what’s wrong with the climate: there’s an excess of greenhouse gas in the atmosphere and it’s causing the planet to heat up. We’re clear on the cause: human activity has done nearly all of it. We know the solution: swap out carbon-emitting technology, and work to draw down the excess carbon we’ve emitted.So, with the problems and solutions clear for decades, what’s being done by the engines of the economy, the leaders, and the gatekeepers: business and the government? Not nearly enough.This isn’t a sane response to an emergency. It’s inhuman. Humans are, for the most part, practical and altruistic. We are brilliant, astonishing creatures. We might be bound by gravity, but we can still fly. The essence of humanity is bound up in working together to solve problems.That’s what makes climate change so maddening. When I say to myself, as any sane person would, “what are we doing?” and “how can I help?” the answers keep coming back, “not enough” and “you can’t.” That’s not how humans work. Being shown a problem and not being able to fix it drives us mad.Anyone who understands the reality of climate change — of the necessity of action — is burning to act. Everyone wants to help, to work, to do. But we’re imprisoned in a system that won’t let us act sanely. We are being denied climate agency.We’re stuck in a system we didn’t opt for, a system built for us without due care by those that benefit from pillaging the future, a system that we are frequently told is “too expensive” to change. In the media, articles about climate change mitigation measures frequently come — absurdly — with a cost-benefit analysis. “Not contributing to cooking an entire planet” is seldom listed as a benefit.Often, taking the individual actions we are told will help ease the crisis is too expensive. Unless you’re rich, in the global scheme of things — you can’t afford an EV. Unless you’re wealthy, in terms of either time or money, you can’t afford to go waste-free, or turn your backyard into a garden, or even buy food that’s free of exploitative farming practices. Ethical behaviour has been monetised: if you want a clear conscience, you’ll have to pay for it. Even the term “carbon footprint,” now ubiquitous and synonymous with taking individual action on climate change, is compromised: it was created and propagated by (wait for it) BP, in one of the most cynical (and effective) marketing campaigns of all time. Unable even to take the drop-in-a-bucket actions that might soothe our consciences — if not actually make a meaningful contribution — the vast majority of us have to live madly, amongst madness. To drive madness, to eat and drink madness. Many simple acts of daily life are poisoned with guilt over the knowledge that not only are you not helping, you are making things worse. An omnipresent, invisible chorus of judgement screams at you for decisions you can’t help making, because our systems don’t allow any other choice. Driving? Guilty! Eating meat? Guilty! Got milk? Guilty! Got plant milk in a plastic bottle? Guilty! No wonder people embrace climate change denial, clutching it like a lifesaver. They’re just trying to stay sane.In a sane world, we’d be pivoting hard — or have pivoted long ago — having never debated whether having a liveable biosphere is good for business. Government and business alike would have switched priorities, poured their all into doing the needful. There would be jobs, endless jobs, available to do work that matters.But it’s not a sane system, and there are few such jobs available. Searching on a hellsite like LinkedIn for “climate change” or “sustainability” is an exercise in futility. Many of the jobs available are in niche positions, or start-ups, or don’t pay well enough for someone without independent means to take them. Tellingly, many climate jobs are at insurance companies — insurance being one of the few sectors that does not have the luxury of choosing not to include climate change in its business model. What we’ve ended up with is a crisis everyone knows about but is powerless to work on fixing, because it’s hard to make rent or pay the mortgage with jobs that should exist but don’t. And the great Invisible Hand of the market isn’t interested in helping out, because saving the world for future generations doesn’t pay now. The Hand would rather sell stuff. Everyone loves stuff. Absent of the ability to live sanely and purposefully in a world that’s on fire, many of us privileged enough to live out of the danger zones live muted, blunted lives.Videogames are a welcome retreat, an opportunity to save the world, albeit a virtual one. Even doomscrolling is a balm on the open sore of “what can we do?” It feels like taking action. But it’s not.This forced nihilism poisons living. Faced with making choices about the future, a lot of my peers throw up their hands. What’s the point in trying to own a house when the housing market’s been cornered and whipped into a frenzy and the government has just kind of given up on doing anything meaningful about it? Why have kids, when they’ll likely have difficult, impoverished lives? Why risk saving for a future when the financial markets are rigged casinos and you can watch your future disappearing, live-streaming, one climate-change-fuelled fire/flood/storm/heatwave at a time?Looking around, it’s hard to avoid the conclusion that the future is being stolen from us. Governments and businesses should be creating ways to create good futures, to live within planetary boundaries, to live sanely. But we have been deliberately, systematically conned: by fossil-fuel and fossil-fuelled businesses who have worked tirelessly to promote the status quo and remove barriers to reaping the planet for endless profit, and by governments who have eagerly acquiesced to their demands in order to promote the fairy-tale of endless economic growth.There are a few hundred companies responsible for the majority of climate change, aided and abetted by either actively denialist or intactivist governments. The people who did this knew exactly what the effects would be, and they did it anyway. Stop feeling guilty. They did this. It is their fault. Not yours. Theirs. The actions of fossil fuel companies and their enablers have murdered tens of thousands of people in the present and hundreds of thousands — perhaps millions, perhaps many more — in the future; those not yet born will bear the brunt. So will those just born, like my baby boy.And this is just the human cost; the cost to the rest of nature is literally incalculable. But it’s easy to list some of the impacts. Under business-as-usual, millions of species face endangerment or extinction. Coral reefs will die. Forests will burn and become savannah. Sea level rise will inundate cities and shorelines. Maybe this one will hit home for you, because it does for me: in the business-as-usual future, climate change will kill the beaches.“Almost half of the world’s sandy beaches will have retreated significantly by the end of the century as a result of climate-driven coastal flooding and human interference, according to new research,” writes The Guardian.Usually, when humanity faces murder and destruction on this sort of scale, we react in disgust and fury. Tribunals are formed and justice is meted out. And yet, nothing. It seems we simply don’t have laws for those that kill with commerce. When will the climate criminals and their enablers, their paid shills and useful idiots, face justice? Will they ever?Like many, I am angry about this — very angry — but it’s hard to know what to do with this fury. It runs too deep, like a hidden current in a river. Occasionally, it rises, and it’s terrible to see. To feel. And being angry, like being earnest, is not cool. It’s not done. The correct attitude is a sort of supercilious, post-ironic detachment, an “oh well, we’re all fucked, so let’s just enjoy the ride, lmao.”I’m tired of even trying to be cool about all this. The effort it takes to sustain protective detachment isn’t worth it. I am desperate to channel my fury at a stolen, broken world into something useful, something that helps, something that isn’t shouting at the wind, or just being testy on Twitter. And I worry that, deprived of justice, the collective anger and dispossession of millions will spill over into something vengeful and terrible. A quote from one of those goofy Marvel films comes to mind: “If we can't protect the earth, you can be damn sure we'll avenge it.” Such great escapism, to watch the world being saved by powerful people who, in a marked break with reality, actually do the right thing. You can see why the films make so much money for one of the largest corporations on the planet.I don’t want violence. Most people don’t, or there’d be a lot more dead fossil fuel executives. But I’m not prepared to watch business-as-usual turn our only home into hell. Because there is still time — to blunt climate change’s worst impacts, to save what can be saved, to make a better world. Denied agency, activism is the last sane position left. Leading climate scientist Michael Mann writes about the futility of “doomism” in his book, The New Climate War. He warns that the supercilious “we’re all fucked, who cares” attitude plays directly into the hands of warmist interests, those who are desperate for business-as-usual to continue so they can make and keep their billions.“This is the greatest threat and greatest challenge we’ve ever faced as a civilization,” Mann says. “If you’re not out there fighting for climate action, you’re giving up on the human race.”To disrupt business-as-usual, climate scientist and activist Peter Kalmus says “we need a billion climate activists.” And the work of activism begins with imagining a better world. It’s not even that hard; others have already done this work, and there are many good futures to choose from.Some of it is table stakes. Commonsense, good ideas. Cities would be made walkable, accessible to active transport. Public transport would be fast and free, and special accommodation would be made for those less able. Electricity would be generated renewably — we’ve got plenty of wind, ocean, and sunshine. Distributed grids and batteries would create resilient infrastructure. Farming would be made much more sustainable, becoming a carbon sink instead of a net polluter.My own personal good future has some specifics. In the near term — ideally today — the media would pledge not to run climate change denial in either news or opinion, and would refuse to take advertising or sponsorship money from fossil fuel interests. They’d abandon the senseless culture war they’re encouraging for clicks, stirring up audiences against fundamentally benign concepts like cycleways. They’d treat climate change as the epoch-defining issue it is, and cover it widely and fairly, instead of sporadically and half-heartedly. They’d stop platforming politicians and other people that lie and prevaricate about the climate crisis.The media also need to stop stirring up fear about how much this stuff costs, because the cost of not doing it is almost too much to comprehend: one estimate puts global GDP losses at $610 trillion in cumulative damages to 2100, the equivalent of at least one Covid-sized economic shock per year.This stupendous figure doubles once you factor in sea-level rise. Instead of asking “how much will this cost?” we need to ask “how much work will this be?” To paraphrase Kim Stanley Robinson in his cli-fi book The Ministry For The Future: Money isn’t real. Work is real. People are real. Governments need to assess what needs to be done in terms of climate change mitigation, and then just pay people to do it. Sure, it’s hard work, but when work is meaningful, people actually want to do it.But there’s no need to dispense with the collective fiction of money as long as we can make it work for all of us, instead of a vanishingly small minority of fixers and gate-keepers. For instance, we can take the money back from the fossil fuel companies who’ve stolen it from our future. We can set a hard limit on wealth, so the value of everything the world does can stop being hoarded by 0.1 percent of the population. The billionaire-stans may screech, but it’s the best form of justice fossil-fuel executives and their shills can hope for.And I can hear the economists stirring already, so let’s upset them some more. We need to stop treating free-market, orthodox economics like it’s the immutable law of nature. In fact, by ignoring the biosphere, by treating the environment as just an externality, orthodox economics has done more damage than perhaps any other ideology. A new economics is needed, and a new popular understanding. One that doesn’t treat economics like it’s a capricious god beyond human control. “The economy” is just a representation of humans at work, economists are fundamentally useless at predicting the future, and it’s time we stopped pretending they can.Physics, on the other hand, can predict the future. We know what’s coming, but we can do something about it. Jumping off the climate cliff wasn’t a good idea, but we can still break the fall.“There is no simple formula, no fact sheet or checklist, for figuring out our roles in the vital work to forge a just, liveable future,” says All We Can Save author Dr Katharine Wilkinson. “But I have found a series of reflections can help us arrive at some clarity and uncover ways to be of use.”When it comes to reflections, I like this one very much:So: Stop worrying and speak up. Talk about climate change with everyone you can. Join the school climate strikes. Join the general strikes that are coming. Be an activist. Organize. Become unignorable. It’s the only thing that will force the powers that be into action, that will help break the dissonance of living the way we do now, and allow us to live sanely.Words and illustrations by Joshua Drummond, August 2021.If you want to listen to this essay, check Spotify or Apple podcasts — it’ll pop up there soon. And if you haven’t already, sign up for Webworm so that any new podcast episodes get delivered direct to your inbox before they appear anywhere else.David here again. Maybe technically I was wrong: as individuals, we can do something. Something bigger than emptying the recycling bin. We can come together, and we can speak up. We can force those giant entities to create change. We can apply pressure.I don’t know what that looks like, exactly. I am not an activist. I write this newsletter to you. I feel utterly useless looking over the cliff. I feel utterly trapped in this catastrophe, forced to do things I know are wrong to kill an environment I know is wrecked. I drive a car, I drink from plastic bottles. It’s impossibly hard for people to look beyond their own timeline: their own 85 years or so. But we have the data, we have the science, and something has to give. It has to.I’m throwing this back over to Josh again. He has some thoughts on what to do.What can we do? Some more thoughts from JoshI’m aware I still haven’t entirely addressed the “how” of all this, and for that, I’ll point to others who can probably answer better than I can. If we want to play a useful role in this crisis, we should find out where our existing skills are applicable. As a writer, one of the areas I feel less uncomfortable talking about is the news media, and I’m pretty bloody angry at still seeing climate change denial being given a consistent platform in our media with the excuse of “but it’s just opinion!” The first thing I’m personally keen to do is see if with a bit of collective action we can have the news media (starting with New Zealand, and hopefully elsewhere) adopt a climate change reporting pledge, in which they’d promise not to air or print climate change denial, or give climate change deniers and fossil fuel lobbyists a platform. Perhaps we’d even see an admission of responsibility or an apology about the media’s hefty role about promulgating climate change information to date.I don’t pitch this idea with high hopes of all New Zealand media happily signing on, but I think even choosing not to take a pledge would be telling. To those that’d start banging on about freedom of speech, I’d say: “No.” This is about the media choosing to act ethically and responsibly, not about governments choosing what you can and can’t say. Most media don’t give a lot of space to praising fascism anymore, and it’s time the lying liars of climate change denial got the same treatment. Let’s see what we can do about it. I’m particularly keen to hear from climate activists, climate scientists, and media people. I would love to get media people’s true feelings on what it’s like to see their publications, editors and owners continually giving climate change denial a platform. I'm happy to keep correspondence anonymous or off-the-record where necessary. Hit me up at josh@joshuadrummond.com if you want to talk, or let’s have a yarn in the comments below.David here again. What a ping pong match this newsletter has been!I find Josh pretty incredible in the various creative ways he finds to help. During Australia’s raging bushfires, he painted a kookaburra to raise money in the firefighting efforts.I think Josh is bang on about the media’s role in platforming misinformation (and sometimes blatant disinformation) about the climate crisis.In New Zealand, climate change denier Peter Williams has been given a platform by Mediaworks (the same company caught up in allegations of sexual harassment, racism and bullying from its top dogs) to, well, spread his bullshit. I won’t link to it, but he wrote this in June about the last climate change report:Peter Williams: Why you should be sceptical about the Climate Change Commission ReportOPINION: So now we know what the Climate Change Commission is recommending what the government does to stop the planet warming. It is gross interference in the way we are expected to live our lives, the way we will travel around, the way we will keep ourselves warm and the way we will earn our living as an exporter of food. To me — this kind of rhetoric is just so fucking dumb. Our future generations are literally destined to doom. This has to stop.Sound off in the comment below. Let’s talk this out. I hope you enjoyed Josh’s essay — I loved it and glad he’s here. If you listened to it instead on the podcast, I hope my droning voice didn’t put you to sleep.Talk below. Try and have a safe weekend. David. Get full access to Webworm with David Farrier at www.webworm.co/subscribe

Correction: In this interview, Michael Mann suggests that livestock farming is responsible for 3% of global GHG emissions. He has corrected this to livestock farming being responsible for 7% of global GHG emissions, with beef responsible for 3%. Agriculture in general is responsible for about 15 % of global GHG emissions.

Zhengzhou, a central Chinese city, with 10,000,000 inhabitants has been paralysed by record-breaking floods and more rain in one day than it usually gets in a year. So how the climate crisis be tackled? We get analysis from Micheal Mann, distinguished professor of atmospheric science at Penn State University and the author of The New Climate War. Also in the programme, UNESCO has decided to strip Liverpool of World Heritage status, saying new developments resulted in a "serious deterioration" of the historic site. But do these titles mean that much to a city's prospects or prosperity? We get analysis from Liam Thorp of the Liverpool Echo newspaper. And Peter Jankovskis brings us the latest news from the financial markets.. Also in the programme, UNESCO has decided to strip Liverpool of World Heritage status, saying new developments resulted in a "serious deterioration" of the historic site. But do these titles mean that much to a city's prospects or prosperity? We get analysis from Liam Thorp of the Liverpool Echo newspaper. Also in the programme, to visit a French museum, gallery or cinema from today, you will need a Covid passport demonstrating vaccination, a recent negative test, or recovery from coronavirus in the past six months. Foulques d'Aboville is administrator of the Jacquemart-Andre museum in Paris, and gives us his reaction to the development. Plus, the BBC's Nisha Patel reports on the potential future economic impact of school coronavirus closures on the next generation of the world's workforce, whose education was impacted since the start of the pandemic. And we're joined throughout the programme in Manilla by Karen Lema, Reuters Bureau Chief for the Philippines and in Washington DC, activist and financial reform advocate Alexis Goldstein. (Picture: A flooded road in Zhengzhou. Picture credit: EPA.)

Zhengzhou, a central Chinese city, with 10,000,000 inhabitants has been paralysed by record-breaking floods and more rain in one day than it usually gets in a year. So how the climate crisis be tackled? We get analysis from Micheal Mann, distinguished professor of atmospheric science at Penn State University and the author of The New Climate War. Also in the programme, UNESCO has decided to strip Liverpool of World Heritage status, saying new developments resulted in a "serious deterioration" of the historic site. But do these titles mean that much to a city's prospects or prosperity? We get analysis from Liam Thorp of the Liverpool Echo newspaper. And Peter Jankovskis brings us the latest news from the financial markets.

On this special episode of ClimateCast, guest host Samantha Washington is joined by Dr Michael E. Mann, Distinguished Professor of Atmospheric Science at Penn State University, in the United States, to discuss his new book The New Climate War.Mann is one of the world's most prominent climate scientists, who first shot to fame in the 1990s when he published possibly the most famous chart in all of climate science - now known as simply the hockey stick graph - which showed how burning fossil fuels and the resulting greenhouse gases, caused global temperatures to rise. Something most of us now take for granted. Sky News' Climate reporter Victoria Seabrook also joins Sam in the studio to discuss all of this week's climate headlines, including a damning report published by the Climate Change Committee which said the government is failing to ensure the UK can cope with climate change already happening, how the UK is using renewable energy from Norway which could power over one million British homes using the world's largest undersea electricity cable, and how extreme weather has caused a worrying shortage of chocolate, coffee and wine.

The meeting between US president Biden and the Turkish president Erdogan, as well as the upcoming European Council Summit on Turkey come at a critical moment in the EU-US-Turkey relationship. After years of heightened tensions, there appears to have been a thawing in relations since the beginning of this year. The renewed focus on climate policy by the EU, however, makes many aspects of this relationship uncertain. Are carbon border taxes a threat to Turkish trade? How can Turkey and the EU cooperate on green energy? To find out, host Susi Dennison, director of ECFR´s European Power programme, talks to Asli Aydıntaşbaş, senior policy fellow at ECFR and in-house expert on Turkey, and Simone Tagliapietra, senior fellow at Bruegel focusing on European Union climate and energy policy. They discuss the outcomes of the Biden-Erdogan summit and the prospects for the EU-Turkey relationship, particularly in relation to the EU's climate policies. This podcast was recorded on 17 June 2021. Further Reading: - "Europe's Green Moment: How to meet the climate challenge" by Susi Dennison, Rafael Loss and Jenny Söderström: https://buff.ly/3v48Lw4 - "The geopolitics of the European Green Deal" by Mark Leonard, Jean Pisani-Ferry, Jeremy Shapiro, Simone Tagliapietra and Guntram Wolff: https://buff.ly/3tpyKxG Bookshelf: - "Catherine the Great: Portrait of a Woman" by Robert K. Massie - "The New Climate War" by Michael E. Mann

On this special episode of ClimateCast, guest host Samantha Washington is joined by Dr Michael E. Mann, Distinguished Professor of Atmospheric Science at Penn State University, in the United States, to discuss his new book The New Climate War.Mann is one of the world's most prominent climate scientists, who first shot to fame in the 1990s when he published possibly the most famous chart in all of climate science - now known as simply the hockey stick graph - which showed how burning fossil fuels and the resulting greenhouse gases, caused global temperatures to rise. Something most of us now take for granted. Sky News' Climate reporter Victoria Seabrook also joins Sam in the studio to discuss all of this week's climate headlines, including a damning report published by the Climate Change Committee which said the government is failing to ensure the UK can cope with climate change already happening, how the UK is using renewable energy from Norway which could power over one million British homes using the world's largest undersea electricity cable, and how extreme weather has caused a worrying shortage of chocolate, coffee and wine.

Alexandra Kurland is a horse clicker trainer, behaviourist, classical rider - and convenor of the annual (now bi-annual) Science Camp that explores the art and science of positive reinforcement. She is host of the Horses for Future podcast, co-host of the Equiosity podcast, and author of The Click that Teaches and a whole host of other books and online courses about horse training.  In today's podcast - the second of two - Alex and Manda continue to dive deeply into the fundamental question of our time - how do we bring people of widely disparate political views to a point where we all pull together to create a flourishing, generative future for people and planet?  We have the answers. We just need to see the possibilities and be emotionally and psychologically prepared to apply them.  So this is a behavioural problem now, not a technological one.  Which means it needs the brightest behavioural minds on the planet to begin to think about it.  And we can start now... The Clicker Center: https://www.theclickercenter.comEquiosity: https://www.equiosity.comHorses for Future: https://kurlanda.wixsite.com/sequestercarbonMary Hunter: PORTL shaping: https://behaviorexplorer.com/author/mary/An Introduction to PORTL shaping: https://www.artandscienceofanimaltraining.org/tools/portl-shaping-game/The New Climate War by Michael Mann: https://blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/product/The-New-Climate-War-by-Michael-E-Mann-author/9781913348687

                        Climate Action Show 14th June 2021                         RADIOTHON : THE NEW CLIMATE WARRIORS10 Action groups representedProduced by Vivien LangfordDonate | 3CR Community RadioGUESTSSeed Mob - Millie Telford at a  Sydney Snap rally: Don't Frack the NT!Lock the Gate Alliance - Nic Clyde- Find Supporter Groups - Lock the Gate Alliance350.ORG - Shani Tager - Australia – 350.org's Fossil Fuel Watch projectNature Conservation Council - Jaquie Mumford and Chris  Gambian Kai (nature.org.au)The Animal Justice Party - Mark Pearson NSW Parliament Campaigns Archive - Animal Justice Party NSWThe NSW Greens - David Shoebridge - Fight for the future | Australian GreensThe Global Greens - Christine Milne AO- Global Greens ambassador International Greens Networks | Australian GreensVoices of Wentworth - Blair Palese and Osher GinsbergANU Institute for climate Energy and disaster Solutions - Dr John Hewson AM - Dr John Hewson | ANU Institute for Climate, Energy & Disaster SolutionsThe Climate Council - Nicki HutleyThe Red Cross - CEO Judy SlatyerMusicRobert Farmer - The coal Owner and the Pitman's wife , written in 1844Greg Barnett - Earthrise Please donate to our RADIOTHON Appeal. We only ask once a year and we are an essential service. don't you think?Phone 03 94198377 or online  -  Donate | 3CR Community Radio Quote from THE NEW CLIMATE WAR by atmospheric Scientic Professor Michael Manne"I've seen the enemy up close, in battle for two decades now. I know how it operates and I've been monitoring the dramatic shifts in its tactics. It is my intention to engage YOU as a willing soldier in this battle to save our planet from a climate crisis before it's too late"   

Alexandra Kurland is a horse clicker trainer, behaviourist, classical rider - and convenor of the annual (now bi-annual) Science Camp that explores the art and science of positive reinforcement. She is host of the Horses for Future podcast, co-host of the Equiosity podcast, and author of The Click that Teaches and a whole host of other books and online courses about horse training.  In today's podcast - the first of two - Alex and Manda explore one of the fundamental questions of our time - how do we bring people of widely disparate political views to a point where we all pull together to create a flourishing, generative future for people and planet?  We have the answers. We just need to see the possibilities and be emotionally and psychologically prepared to apply them.  So this is a behavioural problem now, not a technological one.  Which means it needs the brightest behavioural minds on the planet to begin to think about it.  And we can start now... The Clicker Center: https://www.theclickercenter.comEquiosity: https://www.equiosity.comHorses for Future: https://kurlanda.wixsite.com/sequestercarbonMary Hunter: PORTL shaping: https://behaviorexplorer.com/author/mary/An Introduction to PORTL shaping: https://www.artandscienceofanimaltraining.org/tools/portl-shaping-game/The New Climate War by Michael Mann: https://blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/product/The-New-Climate-War-by-Michael-E-Mann-author/9781913348687

Climate scientist Michael Mann discusses his new book, The New Climate War, in which he outlines the many ways in which powerful interests deflect, divide, and delay, to prevent real action that would avert the climate crisis

President Biden is promising hundreds of billions of dollars to speed up the decarbonisation of the US economy – the White House wants cooperation with China to make good on the Paris agreement on emissions cuts. Stephen Sackur interviews Michael Mann, one of America’s leading climate scientists. He says a new climate war is unfolding. If so, who are today’s biggest climate enemies?

We're beginning to enter a new era of climate change as the number of deniers decreases, the number the of people who think we're screwed - grows. Dr. Keith Suter discusses not only the importance of education but the right people who we need to market that to and why you need to give people room to manoeuvre to get out of the political position they stand in.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Professor Michael E. Mann is deeply embedded in the fight to take back our planet and his latest book, "The New Climate War", allows us to experience that struggle through his eyes. This latest episode of Climate Conversations features a discussion between Professor Mann and the senior vice-president, strategy and communications, with the Environmental Defense Fund, Eric Pooley. The conversation illustrates the decency of Michael Mann, a fellow who has been repeatedly lambasted by the world's climate deniers. Climate Conversations invites you to enjoy this rather special episode and listen to "Music for a Warming World".    

Karen Gosbee's "glittering marriage" nearly ended her life. The author of "A Perfect Nightmare," now co-chair of Calgary's Mental Health and Addiction Community Strategy and Action Plan, joins Mayor Naheed Nenshi to explain how this new approach changes the landscape (and how it can work in cities around the world). Renowned climatologist and geophysicist Dr. Michael E. Mann, author of "The New Climate War," discusses what's new in The Fight to Take Back the Planet, and what it means for Canadians. Plus, Ryan gets into the Real Talk inbox, and reads your emails submitted to talk@ryanjespersen.com. 5:17 - Mayor Naheed Nenshi & Karen Gosbee 38:08 - Dr. Michael E. Mann

Radioactive Water Dilemma at Fukushima / The New Climate War / Hard Times for Ginseng Farmers / Beyond the Headlines / Nature and the Beat Despite rising global temperatures and an increase in climate disruption-related natural disasters, climate denial still runs rampant. Renowned climate scientist Michael Mann's latest book describes how fossil fuel companies have spent decades deflecting blame and responsibility in order to delay action on climate change. Also, ten years after the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant disaster, Japanese authorities are planning to release some of the contaminated cooling water into the Pacific Ocean. What the release of this water means for marine and human health. And consumers in China and the U.S. prize American ginseng, most of which is grown in just one Wisconsin county, as a health food and traditional medicine. But demand has dried up in the midst of America's ongoing trade war with China, economic impacts from the COVID-19 pandemic and anti-Asian rhetoric, and farmers are struggling.

Dr. Michael E. Mann is a scientist, author, and Distinguished Professor of Atmospheric Science at Penn State. He is also director of the Penn State Earth System Science Center. Dr. Mann's research involves the use of theoretical models and observational data to better understand Earth's climate system. He is author of more than 200 peer-reviewed and edited publications and has also published four books. His newest book,

This is a bonus podcast to start off the new year and acts as a companion to all our Honest Governmenmt Ads about climate and energy policy this year. We discuss a number of issues, from US and Australia climate politics, to attempts to divide the climate movement - such as the debate between individual responsibility and systemic/collective action on climate; the divide between "activists" and "doomers" - and why there is reason to be cautiously optmistic about the future. You can also view this interview on our YouTube channel, which we recommend as it contains visuals to help you follow along.You can follow Michael Mann on twitter here: @michaelemannAnd you can find his book, The New Climate War, here.If you missed it, you might also enjoy Episode 9 of the podcast, in which I first interviewed Michael Mann in February 2020 while he was living in Australia.If you enjoyed this podcast please subscribe and most importantly, recommend it to others! This podcast was produced thanks to our Patrons. If you'd like to help keep us going, you can support us on Patreon or via these other options.Follow us on Youtube | Facebook | Twitter | Instagram

Evelyn Farkas, former U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Russia, and Nina Khrushcheva, Professor of International Affairs at The New School, join Christiane Amanpour to discuss the protests in Russia against the detention of opposition leader Alexey Navalny, and how the Biden administration should respond. Then, climatologist and author Michael Mann breaks down how the fossil fuel industry is encouraging climate inaction and discusses his latest book, "The New Climate War". Our Hari Sreenivasan talks to Dr Richard Levitan and Dr Nicholas Caputo, two ER physicians, about how pulse oximetry is crucial to managing the ongoing pandemic.To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy

Parent and teacher concerns, baseless? We've heard lots of teachers and parents express concerns over transmission in schools. Was it mostly paranoia? VCH data suggests transmission is low.  Loud neighbors raising questions Should strata be held more accountable for noise or nuisance complaints in condo living situations?  Meng Wanzhou is living it up! Meanwhile two Canadians are still living without freedom. Meng has had fancy dinners, VIP shopping experiences, how is this tolerable for the Canadian Government? And more in this episode! _____________ NAVIGATE THE PODCAST:  Chapter 1 Lynda recounts her vaccine experience Lynda Steele never asked for the vaccine, but she was offered one for being an essential visitor for her father who is in long term care.  Chapter 2 VCH data suggests situation in schools is safe Transmission in school is low, is what the Vancouver Coastal Health data suggests. For a more in-depth analysis we talk to Dr. Alex Choi, Medical health officer at Vancouver Coastal Health who liaises with School Districts on COVID safety plans and management of outbreaks Chapter 3 A BC family paying the price for a noisy toddler! Is this fair? How should noise or nuisance complaints actually be handled? We have a neighborly roundtable.  Chapter 4 The Political Panel: Contemplating a BC bubble, and Trump's bubble bursting Today's panelists include the host of VANCOLOUR podcast, Mo Amir, as well as Stephen Smart, Western Canada General Manager for Hill and Knowlton Strategies. Chapter 5 A BC bubble? Some say yes, one mayor says no! That mayor is Gaby Wickstrom, the mayor of Port McNeill, and she explains why.  Chapter 6 Meng Wanzhou living a life of pure luxury Group dinners, fancy shopping trips, what kind of hypocrisy are we living in when we measure this against the two Michael's stranded in China?  Chapter 7 By the way, we're still in a climate emergency. Are we addicted to fossil fuels?  Unless you deny science that is. We chat with Michael Mann, on the state of affairs when it comes to the ongoing climate crisis.  Michael is Author of the New Climate War, which is published this week. Chapter 8 Starbucks closing a bunch of stores Is this a cause for celebration?  _____________   Remember to wash your hands, practice physical distancing, and stay home at all costs if you are sick. We're not out of the woods yet!    The Lynda Steele Full Show podcast includes all the individual segments that can be found on the Lynda Steele Show page, digitally stitched together for your convenience.    Listen live online at globalnews.ca/radio/cknw/ 3-6 PM!

Unless you deny science that is. We chat with Michael Mann, on the state of affairs when it comes to the ongoing climate crisis.  Michael is Author of the New Climate War, which is published this week.

Penn State climatologist Michael Mann, the outspoken author of "The New Climate War," talks about what Joe Biden, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos and the rest of us can do to help the world avert the coming climate catastrophe. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/fiction-science/support