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Host Anthony Desiato and guest Zach Moore (Always Hold On To Smallville) dig into the many adaptations of the comic book storyline THE DEATH AND RETURN OF SUPERMAN across time and media. They discuss how the iconic event — or aspects of it — have been adapted in novels (Roger Stern's THE DEATH AND LIFE OF SUPERMAN), radio (BBC Radio 1's SUPERMAN: DOOMSDAY & BEYOND), video games (THE DEATH AND RETURN OF SUPERMAN from Sunsoft), animation (2007's SUPERMAN: DOOMSDAY and the more recent two-parter), television (SMALLVILLE Season 8, SUPERMAN & LOIS Season 4), and film (BATMAN V SUPERMAN, ZACK SNYDER'S JUSTICE LEAGUE). Listen to Digging for Kryptonite's standalone episodes on THE DEATH AND RETURN OF SUPERMAN and its adaptations HERE!Support the show and receive exclusive podcast content at Patreon.com/AnthonyDesiato, including the spinoff podcasts BEYOND METROPOLIS and DIGGING FOR JUSTICE!Visit BCW Supplies and use promo code FSP to save 10% on your next order of comics supplies. FACEBOOK GROUP: Digging for Kryptonite: A Superman Fan GroupFACEBOOK PAGE: @diggingforkryptonitepodINSTAGRAM: @diggingforkryptonitepodTWITTER: @diggingforkrpodEMAIL: flatsquirrelproductions@gmail.comWEBSITE: FlatSquirrelProductions.com Digging for Kryptonite is a Flat Squirrel Production. Key art by Isaiah Simmons (2020-2024 version by Gregg Schigiel). Theme music by Basic Printer.Mentioned in this episode:Aw Yeah ComicsHang On To Your Shorts Film FestivalFat Moose Comics

Directed by Bruce Timm, Lauren Montgomery, and Brandon Vietti, Superman: Doomsday is the animated superhero film adapted from the Dc Comics storyline "The Death of Superman". Luke and Nathan go back to 2007 to review this first film of the DC Universe Animated Original Movies. The Man of Steel (Adam Baldwin) battles an intergalactic killer, accidentally unearthed by a corporation - Doomsday.

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We're continuing the New 52 animated universe with The Death of Superman. Adapted once already as Superman: Doomsday, the new version decides to split the story into two movies. The first focuses on the fight against Doomsday (this time with help from the Justice League) and the second... well, we'll have to wait and see! How does this one compare to Superman: Doomsday and the rest of the New 52 movies? Check out what the guys think and let us know what you think of The Death of Superman! Cinema Heroes YouTube Instagram

EP22 – DC Animated Movie – Superman: Doomsday with Burke In this episode I was joined by one of the hosts of The All Star Superfan Podcast, Alan and I talk about the DC Animated movie titled: Superman: Doomsday   You can find Alan on the following: Facebook: All Star Superfan Podcast X: @allstarsuperpod Instagram: @allstarsuperfan   You can find us on the following: Facebook: Superman: The Animated Podcast X: @SupAnimatedPod Instagram: @supanimatedpod Email: supanimatedpod@gmail.com

This is our second installment of our DC Animated FIlms REVIEW Series, as we give you Justice League The New Frontier ( 2008) on Friday evening 2/3/23, 9:35pm EST/ 6:35pm PAC, LIVE as always, with Co-host Cyberneticshark moderating this second DC Animated Film Review after we Superman Doomsday last friday. We have Co-host Jeff S(TrueKnowledge) on the guest panel with Kyle and Andres The Pop Culture Guy, and we hope that all of you DC Comic/ DCU/ DC in general fans will come support us and join in the comment section!!! Intro / Outro Music- " Exosphere" by AlexGrohl Cybers LINKS- https://www.youtube.com/@cyberneticshark all his links can be found on YT!! Andres LINKS- https://www.youtube.com/@PopCultureguy https://www.youtube.com/@DCMarvelPlusTalk Kyle's LINKS https://www.youtube.com/@FandomPodcastNetwork https://fpnet.podbean.com/category/True-Believers-a-mcu-podcast/ All The MCU'S Bleeding Edge's LINKShttps://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100090571329875 https://www.twitch.tv/themcusbleedingedge https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-mcus-bleeding-edge https://rumble.com/c/c-1009757 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCREPsCRvzjH0ggYL_Larq1A https://www.tiktok.com/@UCREPsCRvzjH0ggYL_Larq1A https://twitter.com/mcusbleedingedg Co-host Cyberneticshark is using a Logitech BRIO along with Skullcandy headphones, a Audio- Technica AT2020 Condenser Studio Microphone, going through a 2021 Flagship Lenovo Legion 5 Gaming laptop. Co-host Jeff S(TrueKnowledge) is working with a Audio- Technica ATR2100 Condenser Studio Microphone, along with a pair of Audio- Technica Headphones, Logitech BRIO- C920-C922-Streamcam, going through a 2023 MacBook Pro along with using a ACER Nitro 5. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-mcus-bleeding-edge/message

This is the start of the DC animated movies. We watched Superman: Doomsday from 2007. While good in 2007, can it stand up to our scrutiny 17 years later?Twitter: @comicrundownInstagram: @comicbookrundownEmail: comicbookrundown@gmail.comHosted by Joe Janero, Ron Hanes and Charlie Shaw Edited by Joe JaneroTheme song provided by the other member of the Sex Turtles (Cam Malidor)Find our t-shirts at Redbubble and TeePublic https://www.redbubble.com/shop/comic+book+rundown?ref=search_boxhttp://tee.pub/lic/vBbIJZ4eLQ0

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DJ Nik and Keith Bliss discuss "Superman : Doomsday" !!! Enjoy ! If you would like to come on and discuss YOUR favourite movie send us a email with your movie of choice to : happinessindarknesshow@gmail.com . Check out our great tiers on Patreon : patreon.com/happinessindarkness !!!

Take some time this week to remember your original happy hour: Saturday mornings as a kid, waking up at dawn, jumping on the couch with a bowl of chocolate cereal, turning on the ‘toons, tuning out the outside world and working your way into a sugar hangover before noon. This week we catch a movie, the San Diego Comic-Con way! Going back to the early aughts and our groups very first encounters with Comic-Con, there has always been one thing that you can count on to be great in every way… the DC Animated Movie Premiere! That's right, for many of us Comic-Con goers, the very first signs that comic books were about to hit the mainstream were watching those very same books, not just superheroes, leap from page to screen. This all started with the 2007 release of Superman: Doomsday a faithful adaptation of the Death of Superman event that saw the death and resurrection of the worlds greatest and 1st superhero. It was a glorious event that was celebrated with SWAG, exhibits, a world premier and panel. Since that awesome night, SDCC has seen many fan favs like, Batman: Year One, The Dark Knight Returns, Flashpoint Paradox, and The Killing Joke. So, let's look at SDCC's DC Animated Movie Premiere Nights through the lens of SDCC22 and the release of Green Lantern: Beware My Power with some of the movie's voice talent including AldisHodge (Black Adam), “Green Lantern John Stewart”, JimmiSimpson (Westworld), “Green Arrow”, JamieGrayHyder (Law & Order: SVU), “Hawkgirl”, BrianBloom, (The A-Team), "Adam Strange". Join Grim Shea, Marke, and Jimmy the Gent as they watch a comic book come to life in maybe the best way possible, with a SDCC crowd of fans who celebrate those themes of Saturday Morning TV!

AniMAYtion rolls on with DCs first original animated movie, Superman: Doomsday! Adapted from one of the greatest selling comics of all time, this movie has an interesting take on the Death of Superman. Laramy and Chad compare the stories and it's not great. They discuss the voice talents of Adam Baldwin, Anne Heche, James Marsters, and the rest and debate whether to put blame on the performances or the writing. Follow us on social media... Facebook: facebook.com/movingpanels Twitter: twitter.com/movingpanels Instagram: instagram.com/movingpanels TikTok: tiktok.com/@movingpanels Email the show to discuss suggestions or let us know how we're doing at movingpanels@gmail.com Soundtrack: "Reload" by Alchemorph --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/movingpanels/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/movingpanels/support

Thank you for joining us on this journey through DC Animation. In the episode, Spenser and Brandon will be discussing the 2007 DC animated film Superman: Doomsday. This is an LMG Podcast Production   Host: Spenser Jones Facebook Group: The League of Melanted Gentlemen Podcast

The Superman Retrospective continues as Caleb and Isaac venture into the first feature from the DC Universe Animated Original Movies catalog (talk about a clunky title). So sit back and listen in as they watch and discuss Superman: Doomsday! What will your hosts think of this somewhat divisive entry? Find out now!   This episode was recorded on Aug. 15th, 2022.    Email the show at thenoviceelitists@gmail.com or reach out to us on twitter @CalebAlexader

Unspoken Issues #72 - Superman/Doomsday: Hunter/PreyEvan, Chris, and Jesse take a look at the rematch of the century! It is time for another round of Superman vs. Doomsday!! This time… it's personal! How do Darkseid and Waverider figure into all of this? And Cyborg Superman still around? And finally… the origin of Doomsday! All right here! Tune in!!To join the Unspoken Issues Facebook group to chime in and vote on the polls head to - https://www.facebook.com/groups/752283055418869Check out the articles over at https://theunspokendecade.com and stay in touch and participate in the discussion on Facebook by going to https://www.facebook.com/pg/theunspokendecade and checking out the latest posts!To check us out on the player of your choice click here https://linktr.ee/markkind76Also, check out the W2M Network Discord - https://discord.gg/aydMgvUN9d

In which Stuart is joined by Alan & Rob, for a showdown in Metropolis...To celebrate 30 years of the iconic Superman #75, we're joined by the All-Star Superfan Podcasts Alan Burke & Rob O'Connor to take a look at how Hollywood (and BBC Radio) depicted the Death Of Superman in film. Did any of them get it right? Did they do this milestone moment from comics justice on screen? We'll discuss all this and more, in this special episode.And the Podcast cross-overs don't end there, as our own Stuart joined Damian Edwardson and Dennis Whittle on an episode of Omen To That, taking a look at the Death Of Superman comic itself, which can be heard HERE.The All-Star SuperFan Podcast also spoke with comic book legend Dan Jurgens about working on the comic, which can be heard HERE.Among the films discussed (so Spoilers-ish) are Superman: Doomsday, The Death Of Superman, Superman Returns & Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice. We also talk about Smallville: Season 8, and Superman & Lois: Season 2 (with minor spoilers).LINKSAll-Star SuperFan - PodBean - Twitter @allstarsuperpod - FacebookStuart: LinktreeThe Nerds Who Haunted Themselves: Linktree And Why Not? Facebook Group: FacebookClips used from Requiem & Rebirth: Superman Lives (which can be watched on YouTube HERE) and The Adventures Of Superman: Doomsday & Beyond (which is available second hand on CD).Title Music - Superman: Doomsday Main Title by Robert J Kral Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode. As this years marks the 30th Anniversary of the death of the Man of Steel. We decided to read and discuss Superman/Doomsday - Hunter and Prey. Written by Dan Jurgens This story takes place a year after Superman returns from the dead. Where Superman is trying to adjust with being back among the living and his nightmares about Doomsday. We also learn Doomsday mysteries origin. Was this story worth telling? Listen to find out Have you read this before? Are you a fan of Doomsday? Let us know by interacting with us on our social media platforms like Twitter, Instagram and the Youtube comment section. Or by Email. Which are all listed down below Twitter @TripMultiverse Instagram @TripAroundTheMultiverse Email us at Aroundthemultiversepodcast@gmail.com Youtube : Trip Around the Multiverse linktree : https://linktr.ee/tripmultiverse --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/kyle-cy/message

We're joined by Ryan Luis Rodriguez to talk about DC's first attempt at adapting the Death of Superman into an animated feature, Superman: Doomsday.

Here begins our Sweet and Sour Season! Chamar and Andrew are back as they discuss a big DC Animated film from every year since the start of DC Animated Original content. They are here now with yet another iconic DC story being put on the animation table with the 2007 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman:_Doomsday (Superman: Doomsday). The Man of Steel gets his first feature film, but it looks like he isn't here long enough to enjoy-...wait, didn't we cover this movie already? As always, we are here to ask the big questions: Does the story make sense? How does it compare to the comic? And most importantly, has the film remained sweet, or has it soured over time? Also, follow Yet Another DC Animated Podcast on https://linktr.ee/yadcanimatedpod (social media) or check us out at https://www.forgottenentertainment.com/yet-another-dc-animated-podcast (Forgotten Entertainment).

We are going back and catching up on all the DCU movies we have yet to review on the podcast. Starting off with the first of the modern era line of adult animated DC Comics flicks comes Superman Doomsday. The quick and simple retelling of the Death and Return of Superman comic run. It may be a bit of the light take, but very enjoyable from start to finish and also a great gateway film for anyone wanting to get into the Big Blue Boy Scout.   We are also joined by fellow comic book creator, Craig Johnson. Mastermind of the superhero book, Project Saviour. Issue 6 has just come out and you can check that out below.    https://projectsaviour.co.uk/ So, come on by and join us on another adventure of OMO Podcast. Old Man Orange is Spencer Scott Holmes & Ryan Dunigan - 2022 - "Young Adults, Old Man Attitude. Talking retro games, classic films and comic good times with a crisp of Orange taste." - www.OldManOrange.com Our link tree with all the places one could go for OMOP - https://linktr.ee/OldManOrange Support the Show the easy and simple way, by using one of our Amazon Links to make your purchases. Doesn't cost you a penny but sends a little something our way. Thanks! Superman Doomsday Movie - https://amzn.to/38Jn7Mg Grab some comedy with, Pizza Boyz, the sitcom styled Indie Comic series by Spencer Scott Holmes  Indy Planet - https://indyplanet.com/?s=Pizza+boyz  Amazon Kindle Unlimited - http://amzn.to/2Dsw1Jk Comixology Unlimited - http://bit.ly/2w55bI8 Global Comix - https://globalcomix.com/c/pizza-boyz?lang=en Pizza Boyz and Old Man Orange Merch - https://www.etsy.com/shop/OldManOrange

In this week's episode of Superman: The Animated Podcast I am joined by Alan Burke, one of the the hosts of the All Star Superfan Podcast and we talk about the DCAU animated movie titled, Superman: Doomsday'. Facebook: All Star Superfan Podcast Twitter: @allstarsuperpod Instagram: @allstarsuperfan Email: allstarsuperpod@gmail.com   You can find us on Social Media: Facebook: The 'M' Word Twitter: @SupAnimatedPod Twitter: @themword81 Website: www.themword81.com Email: themword81@yahoo.com   New theme song is called Superepic by Alexander Nakarada https://www.serpentsoundstudios.com

Join Jacob and Joey as they read 'Doomsday' by Dan Jurgens, Louise Simonson, Roger Stern, and Jerry Ordway!

It's spooky season once again with Jay, Mise and Shawna, so it's time for a beatdown. Superman vs Doomsday and a retelling of the death of Superman arc. Also they break down ALL the news coming out of DC Fandome and there's a lot!

In this episode Tim and Scott review "Superman: Doomsday" (2007). It is the first review in a series of reviews of all of the DC Universe Animated Original Movies! You can help to support this show and the rest of Squadcast Media through Patreon at this link!  Thank you for your support! You can help support the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention HERE Where to find us: Follow DC Squadcast on Twitter at @DCSquadcast Follow Tim on Twitter at @Allenfire Follow Scott on Twitter at @ScottDC27 Email us at DCSquadcast@gmail.com Subscribe to Squadcast Media: DC Squadcast:  iTunes / Spotify / Google Play / Stitcher / RSS DCTV Squadcast:  iTunes / Google Play / Stitcher / RSS DC Comics Squadcast:  iTunes / Google Play / Stitcher / RSS Fans Without Borders: iTunes / Google Play / Stitcher / RSS Marvel Squadcast: iTunes / Google Play / Stitcher The show's intro music was composed by Tim Yoko. The show's outro music was composed by Jordan Funk.

Back in 2007, Warner Bros animation decided to start producing animated feature films based on characters from DC Comics starting with Superman: Doomsday, based on the Death of Superman storyline. 14 years and over 50 films later, they're still pumping them out every year and personally, I'm happy they are. So let's revisit the first movie and see how it holds up after almost a decade and a half. Have you seen Superman: Doomsday? What do you think? Watch this episode on YouTube! SmoothJStew's YouTube Channel Cinema Heroes Instagram Facebook Twitter

Welcome back everyone to our competitive film podcast; Cine it to Win it! where two friends fight films for fun! This week we have two very different superhero movies and Lebron James - so let's jump right in! Timestamps: 0:00 - The warm up (intro) 04:23 - Black Widow review 21:17 - The Suicide Squad review 40:45 - Space Jam: A New Legacy review 52:19 - The Empire Strikes Back! South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut review 65:29 - The bonus features: Blockers, The Siege, Young Guns 2, Superman: Doomsday, Justice League: The New Frontier, Batman: The Long Halloween, Ted Lasso, Death's Door 82:05 - The warm down (outro) Thank you all for listening. If you enjoyed the episode please consider subscribing and leaving a rating, it would really go a long way. Catch you all next week! Email: cineittowinit@gmail.com Twitter: @cine_it Instagram: @cineittowinit Tags: Movies, Films, Latest, Releases, Review, Contest, Gameshow, Competition, Friendly, Rounds, Television, Games, News, VoD, Streaming, Netflix, Amazon Prime, HBOMax, Disney Plus, Apple TV Plus, Scarlett Johansson, Cate Shortland, Black Widow, Idris Elba, James Gunn, The Suicide Squad, LeBron James, Don Cheadle, Malcolm D. Lee, Space Jam: A New Legacy, Trey Parker, South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut, John Cena, Kay Cannon, Blockers, Denzel Washington, Edward Swick, The Siege, Emilio Estevez, Geoff Murphy, Young Guns 2 Intro & Outro Music Coming for You by NEFFEX, https://smarturl.it/neffex_soundcloud

Esta ocasión estrenamos un nueva sección complementaria para el podcast: Las "Cari-Joe-turas", donde el conductor mas odiado del CC Podcast les habla sobre animaciones basadas en los comics. Para este primer episodio toco hablar de Superman: Doomsday de 2007, el primer intento cinematográfico por parte de Warner Brothers para adaptar "La Muerte de Superman" No dejen de seguirnos en todas nuestras redes sociales: PAGINA DE FACEBOOK https://www.facebook.com/CC-Podcast-116418736410117 GRUPO OFICIAL DE FACEBOOK https://www.facebook.com/groups/1216043882202052 INSTAGRAM https://www.instagram.com/ccpodcast20/ TWITTER https://twitter.com/ccpodcast3 YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnVjg-mMwicbhE6coe5LKew CARPETA MEDIAFIRE CON TODOS LOS EPISODIOS: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/y75tj32egk9re/CC+PODCAST

Esta ocasión estrenamos un nueva sección complementaria para el podcast: Las "Cari-Joe-turas", donde el conductor mas odiado del CC Podcast les habla sobre animaciones basadas en los comics. Para este primer episodio toco hablar de Superman: Doomsday de 2007, el primer intento cinematográfico por parte de Warner Brothers para adaptar "La Muerte de Superman" No dejen de seguirnos en todas nuestras redes sociales: PAGINA DE FACEBOOK https://www.facebook.com/CC-Podcast-116418736410117 GRUPO OFICIAL DE FACEBOOK https://www.facebook.com/groups/1216043882202052 INSTAGRAM https://www.instagram.com/ccpodcast20/ TWITTER https://twitter.com/ccpodcast3 YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnVjg-mMwicbhE6coe5LKew CARPETA MEDIAFIRE CON TODOS LOS EPISODIOS: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/y75tj32egk9re/CC+PODCAST

Last week, we compared the death of Superman at the hands of Doomsday. This week, we cover the Funeral for a Friend, the Reign of the Supermen, and the Return of Superman in a black suit, then compare the comics to Superman Doomsday (2007), Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) and Zack Snyder's Justice League (2021), and The Death of Superman (2018) and Reign of the Supermen (2019). Become a part of the Shasta Army on our Patreon page: https://www.patreon.com/superhousepodcast SuperHouse on iTunes: https://apple.co/3ctz4lN SuperHouse on Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2yq3Kpo Instagram: @superherostuffpod Twitter.com/SuperhousePod YouTube.com/c/SuperHousePodcast Facebook.com/SuperHousePod Please email us at: SuperHousePodcast@gmail.com SUPERHOUSE SHOPS: TeePublic: www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/2873173-…?store_id=133279 RedBubble: www.redbubble.com/people/superhous…pe=t-shirt&asc=u The SuperHouse Homepage: www.SuperHousePod.com Ben's Website: Http://www.benwanwriter.com Ben's Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6nG7A354pour2CUw0co3Ug

We've seen Doomsday kill Superman...but which version is the best? Released on the eight year anniversary of Man of Steel, we sit down to compare the original 1992 story of the Death of Superman with its adaptations- Superman: Doomsday (2007), Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016), and The Death of Superman (2018)- and determine what has the best Doomsday origin and best Superman death? We'll continue next week on "What's the best Return of Superman?," comparing Superman: Doomsday to Reign of the Supermen (2019) and Zack Snyder's Justice League (2021)! Become a part of the Shasta Army on our Patreon page: https://www.patreon.com/superhousepodcast SuperHouse on iTunes: https://apple.co/3ctz4lN SuperHouse on Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2yq3Kpo Instagram: @superherostuffpod Twitter.com/SuperhousePod YouTube.com/c/SuperHousePodcast Facebook.com/SuperHousePod Please email us at: SuperHousePodcast@gmail.com SUPERHOUSE SHOPS: TeePublic: www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/2873173-…?store_id=133279 RedBubble: www.redbubble.com/people/superhous…pe=t-shirt&asc=u The SuperHouse Homepage: www.SuperHousePod.com Ben's Website: Http://www.benwanwriter.com Ben's Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6nG7A354pour2CUw0co3Ug

It's #SupermanDay! Come celebrate with Mark Radulich and Ronnie Adams as we provide alternative commentary for the animated DC movie #Superman - #Doomsday!

It's #SupermanDay! Come celebrate with Mark Radulich and Ronnie Adams as we provide alternative commentary for the animated DC movie #Superman - #Doomsday!

"March" Movie Madness part 3 (of 3)! For our final Justice League movie discussion, we go outside the DCEU and discuss two movies dealing with Wonder Woman's origins in very different ways.  Professor Marston and the Wonder Women tells the story of Wonder Woman's creation and also looks at the unconventional lives of her creators. Meanwhile, the 2009 animated film provides a more modern take with an all-star vocal cast.  Join us as we go down the rabbit hole that is Wonder Woman's history and discuss kink, polyamory, and BDSM. And -per usual- we swear a lot, too. Have questions/comments/concerns? Hit us up: tencenttakes@gmail.com ----more----   Jessika: I hope you realize what extremely heavy California accents we have. I hope you understand when the feedback comes in, that will be part of it! Hello and welcome to Ten Cent Takes, the podcast where we correct your comic misconceptions. One issue at a time. My name is Jessika Frazier and I am joined by my cohost, the royal robot, Mike Thompson. Mike: That's right. All my circuits are platinum or I don't know. Gold, gold plated, something. Jessika: Oh, gold plated. You've got like diamond and crusted things. They also serve a purpose being one of the sharpest items or Mike: Yeah I it. Thank you for that intro. Jessika: Of course. Well, the purpose of this podcast is to study comic books in ways that are both fun and informative. We want to look at their coolest, weirdest and silliest moments, as well as examine how they're woven into the larger fabric of pop culture and history. Now, today we're discussing the final installment of our "March" movie madness. Now I'm throwing heavy quotes around March movie madness because it is actually April. Mike: It's almost tax day at this point. Jessika: It's almost tax day. So we bled out a little bit, but we're trying to do these bi-weekly we got a little ahead of ourselves because we got so excited just to be talking about these things that we did a few more than we really anticipated in March, I would say to our listeners benefit. Mike: Yeah, sure. I concur. Jessika: So we are doing a deep dive into Wonder Woman's origins today. Now I'm not just talking about the origins of the character, but also of their creator and the reasons and motivations that drove this comic into existence. I'm excited about this. Mike: I am too. These movies were really pleasant surprises for different reasons. Jessika: I will agree with that wholeheartedly. Now, before we get into that, though. We love to do that whole one cool thing you've read or watched lately. And Mike, let's go ahead and start with you. Mike: Yeah. So I've been consuming a lot of Star Trek lately. I really enjoy the franchise in general, but I have this deep abiding passion for Deep Space Nine because my great uncle who was essentially my grandfather when I was growing up , we used to watch the show together every Sunday when we would go over to their house for dinner. So like, that was just this wonderful bonding activity with this guy who used to be a dive bomber in World War II and his very nerdy little 11-year-old nephew. I have these very treasured memories and I have the entire series on DVD of Deep Space Nine, which I will be buried with by the way. But both the entire series and the recent documentary about the show is on Amazon Prime. So I've been rewatching all of that, and I've been actually rereading some of the comics and then last week Star Trek Legends came out on a Apple Arcade and... it's fine. It's nothing special, but it's a fun distraction if you're a Trekkie who wants to just mash it up all the various characters from the different series together. So I currently have a away team with characters from the Next Generation and then Discovery and then the original series all together. And it's dumb, but it's fun. But this has led me down this rabbit hole, and I think that we should probably wind up doing an episode on Star Trek history in comics and how it actually helped shape the MCU as we know it. Jessika: I would love that. That sounds like so much fun. And I love Star Trek as well. I used to watch Star Trek with my dad. We were a Next Gen family. So I, you know, next gen and Riker jumping over chairs is like near and dear to my heart. Mike: I'm really bummed that that is not an animation and Star Trek Legends. It really makes me so grumpy. Jessika: What a miss. Such a missed opportunity Mike: What about you? What have you been reading or watching lately? Jessika: So I've been casually reading through a reprint of Giant-Size X-Men from 1975, and I say casually just kind of every once in a while I'll pick it up and I'll read through a few pages and be like, "Oh that was fun." And kind of put it back down again between whatever I'm doing. So of course you know they're they're retro comics and you know things are going to... it's me: Things are going to rub me the wrong way about some of the retro comics. Mike: A comic that's almost 40 years old possibly having some problematic elements to it? Go on. Jessika: Yeah no I try to set aside a lot of that but it is quite difficult with my very outspoken mind of mine. But one scene that really bothered me was from Storm's introduction. Professor X seeks out Storm in her native Kenya where she's legitimately saving the countryside by using her weather powers to get rid of drought. Mike: Right Jessika: But Professor X has the audacity to show up and say, "nah listen: Like I know you're helping quote unquote helping people here but I also need your help. And I'm much more important, let's be real. It's just a whole bag of yikes. Mike: Yeah I mean what year did giant size X-Men come out? Was that 75? Jessika: It was 75. Mhm. Mike: Yeah... That was the same year that we got Lois Lane turning black for a literal white savior piece of journalism. Racial sensitivity was not really a thing back then Jessika: Yeah, absolutely. And I and I do try to put myself into that mindset It's just so cringey though in this day and age to see things like that Mike: Yeah. Jessika: What I do like about it that everybody is so salty to one another. Like so salty. They're so sassy to one another. Every other page has just a roast battle between the members of the X-Men where they're like "yeah, One Eye" like Mike: I think I read a reprint of that when I was like 12 or 13 but I haven't re-read it at all recently. So I'll have to go back and check that out Jessika: I'll throw it your way. You can borrow it. It's fun. Well let's get into the meat of our episode and this was definitely a meaty topic. And I know I told you a little bit earlier I love me a good rabbit hole. Love jumping just right into them right off the top I read –more like I listened to but I mean it was a lot of time spent– three different audio books on the topic. Mike: Yeah no that's awesome I'm so excited to hear about all of Jessika: this. And the hard part then was whittling down what information I really wanted to give you. I highly recommend all of these resources and I really want to just throw them out at the top We will also throw them into the show notes. But I highly recommend -if you're interested in this topic- go read more about this because I'm not even touching the surface of these books. They are amazing. So the first one that I read was it was actually an article from smithsonian.com titled "the surprising origin story of Wonder Woman" by Jill LePore which led me to Jill LePore's larger book or I would say more extended book called The Secret History of Wonder Woman. It was also read by the author, so if you're a book on tape person, highly recommend listening to it. She's one of those people who really keeps your attention and she doesn't have that kind of drowsy lilt that some people do while they're reading, So I definitely I was able to stay really focused on it. And the last one was Wonder Woman Psychology by Trina Robbins and that had a couple of different narrators but that one was also very interesting and talked about all of the different aspects of the time and the different parts of psychology and gets more into because you know spoiler alert the author was a psychologist It does get deeper into that whole aspect of the reasons behind the comic in that way. Mike: That's a really cool and I'm really excited to hear everything that you learned because this is a topic that I had a vague awareness of but I have tried to stay as in the dark as possible for this episode because I'm really excited to learn from you about this Jessika: Let's all go on a learning journey together, Folks. What do you say. Mike: Yeah. Hop on the magic school bus kids. Jessika: Here we go. Mike: We're going to hang out with Goth Miss Frizzle. Jessika: Oh my gosh I know I'm wearing all black today and I have high bun. Very McGonigal right now. Mr Porter Um so Diana Prince is the secret identity of Wonder Woman but did you know that the creator of Wonder Woman had a secret identity himself? Well, today we're going to be discussing the creator of Wonder Woman, Charles Milton... or should I say William Moulton Marston. Marston's name, like his stories, were an amalgamation of fact and fiction his middle name mixed with that If max gains one of the co-founders of All-Star Comics and later DC, which stands for Detective Comics -fun fact: I didn't know that- where Wonder Woman made her debut. But Marston was hiding more than just a name. He had an entire life that he kept hidden from the world. William Moulton Marston was born in Massachusetts in May of 1893 to Frederick William Marston and Annie Marston. They bestowed upon him his mother's maiden name molten as a middle name, and as I've mentioned the last name he later uses as his nom du plume. By all accounts he seemed to have a easy childhood though I did hear reports that he was in the military for a stint I should say acting as a psychologist... I believe that was after his Harvard education, though He was accepted to Harvard for his advanced education and he eventually graduated and became a professor of psychology. While attending Harvard, Marston had many interests. One of them being the intelligent and motivated Elizabeth Holloway, whom he would later marry and who had been taking courses in one of the lesser quote unquote lesser universities that you know allowed women at that time. Mike: That was pretty standard at the time, right? Higher education for women was a new thing that was very looked down upon? Jessika: Oh it was incredibly new. This was the early 1900s. We're talking before 1910. That area. Women didn't have the right to vote yet which we definitely will get into. Didn't have the right to vote until 1920. That was a good few years before that point So the schools had the male schools would have a sister school basically or a lesser school . And for Harvard that was Radcliffe, which is where Holloway went And this was considered again the sister school But of course didn't have the same name and you didn't get the same degree .You still graduated from Radcliffe and women really didn't have the option to go down that actual Harvard route, which of course didn't give them an edge at all No edge Thanks a lot. Mike: Yeah what did you use a degree for back then? Jessika: I mean, nothing. What are you going to do with this degree in your home, in the kitchen? The oven doesn't need you to have a degree. It's just so gross. Mike: It's not a masters in baking roasts, Linda Jessika: And how they wished it were. You would think. Harvard acted like that. It was rough. She did however finish her education and become an lawyer with her degree being issued from Radcliffe despite petitioning multiple times to get a Harvard degree, since she was taking the same classes, they were the same classes. Mike: With the same professors, too, right? Jessika: Oh, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. The class just had women in it instead of men That was the only difference. During college she and Marston were inseparable. One of the biographies I read stated that there was this rule that a woman could not walk or ride unaccompanied with a man However Holloway thought that was a completely stupid rule and just didn't follow it, which I love. She's like, "fuck that." Mike: That's so good. Jessika: And everything else I read about her said "fuck the rules, I do what I want." Which is so amazing for a woman in the early 1900s. I mean it's kind of an interesting concept right now let alone the 1900s. Mike: Yeah... we still have all of these societal norms that women are not supposed to go against. Jessika: Yeah. So Marston varied interests also included a search for "the truth." Quote unquote the truth. This was partially inspire Now part of what he invented I should say was inspired by an observation by Holloway that when she got mad or excited her blood pressure seemed to climb. And from that Marston created the earliest version of what we now know as the lie detector test or polygraph. The test is we know it now measures more than just blood pressure which was really the only thing he was checking on. Blood pressure in and of itself isn't going to tell you everything that you quote unquote need to know for a lie detector to be effective. That being said it's also mostly an admissible as we know it now in the US court of laws depending on the place and both parties have to agree to have it be accepted into the court case which I found I didn't know that. Yeah! Mike: I knew that growing up lie detector tests were considered to be kind of this infallible thing. And then it was like well you know you can sort of get around it by all these old wives tales of like you know you put a tack in your shoe and you press your toe against it and the pain messes up the results. And then later on I found out that they're not really great, they're not really admissible anymore but I didn't know that because I know that a lot of law enforcement still loves to rely on it. Jessika: Yeah and I think about the if you think about when you're nervous you can have a lot of different reasons for being nervous. Not because you're lying, necessarily. You could be a bad test taker and then you suddenly look like a guilty party It could be as that. Mike: I'm just thinking about all the times that I had to give public speeches. Either class presentations or later on when I was a journalist and I was moderating panels. Every time my pulse would be through the roof. Jessika: Same. Now can you imagine being somebody who is of an oppressed or a minority population who's being put into a situation where they have people of power who have them in a room and they have control and that is a really scary thing. Mike: Yeah, that sounds like a nightmare scenario. Jessika: I can imagine my heart rate going up in that situation, so having that be the measure doesn't seem like the best of ideas In my opinion. That being said, it does seem to be admissible in the court of Steve Wilkos and other daytime television shows. Mike, tell me the truth: Do you or have you ever watched those daytime shows like Maury or Jerry Springer or Steve Wilkos? Mike: Yeah, so... Not only did I watch Maury during the daytime when I was just working on stuff at school and I wanted something on in the background, but I was a staff photographer for a newspaper during a celebrity golf tournament and Maury Povich was one of the celebrity golfers. He was really nice I wound up chatting with him for a minute while he was waiting for his turn at golf. I really feel like I missed an opportunity to have him record saying that I was not the father because that was the big thing that he was doing back then was all those paternity tests. Jessika: You say that like he's not still doing that. Mike: I don't know, does he still have show? I don't have TV anymore Jessika: I think so. You know, I really just catch clips. What I'll do is if I'm working and I have to be paying attention to my work -or if I if it's not something mindless like entering data or something- I like to listen to podcasts if I can actually pay attention but if I can't I'll just put on -and I don't watch it but I'll just- put on rotating clips through Facebook or something just go through Facebook watch and just whatever comes up next comes up. And every once in a while we'll get one of those Steve Wilkos and I hear "STEEEEVE" and I'm like, "Oh here we go." And it's always it's always a lie detector test, still to this day. Mike: Was Steve the guy who got his own show sprung off of like spun off of Jerry Springer? Jessika: "sprung off Springer." Correct. Yes. Mike: My roommate and I in college loved to watch Jerry Springer at night because it was the trashiest shit and we not stop. It was like a train wreck, you couldn't look away. Which I think was generally the appeal of Jerry Springer. But it's hard to resolve that because every interview I've seen with the guy he seems like a really pleasant down to earth human being. And then I'm like but you put the trashiest shit on television and it is demonstrable the effect that you had on daytime talk shows for a long time and still to this day in certain ways but for a while everybody was aping that. Anyway, this was a tangent. Jessika: That's okay It was exactly the tangent I wanted. Mike: Maury seemed like a lovely person for all two minutes that I interacted with him, and I hope that Jerry Springer is the person that he seems to be during interviews. Jessika: Same. Well, speaking of life drama, Marston had plenty. Mike: Oh, do tell. Jessika: Yeah. He was already married to his wife the aforementioned Elizabeth -who for consistency I'm going to continue calling Holloway though she did take his name when they got married. Marston, working as a professor at Tufts which is another university, fell in love with one of his students, Olive Byrne, in 1925 and advised his wife that Byrne could either move in or Marston was leaving. Mike: Oh. Jessika: Yeah. That was what the history said So we'll talk through the movie later Mike: Yeah, 'cuz my only familiarity with this so far is what I saw in the movie. *uggggh* Jessika: That was my reaction I now I did my research prior to watching the movie for this exact reason. So I watched the movie last night. It's super fresh. Mike: Yeah I watched it yesterday afternoon and then I watched the other one which we'll get into so it was the origins of Wonder Woman and then Wonder Woman a little bit more modern incarnation. Jessika: Perfect. Yeah. Byrne interestingly enough was the niece of Margaret Sanger. Have you heard that name before Mike: Yeah. She was like one of the early women's rights crusaders. Jessika: Yeah Yup Yup She was a renowned women's rights and birth control activist along with her sister Ethel Byrne opened the first birth control clinic in the United States which is so cool Mike: Yeah, that's awesome. Jessika: Both however were arrested for the illegal distribution of contraception and Ethel Byrne almost died during a hunger strike while she was in jail. Mike: I remember reading about that like in one of my one of my history classes. I mean, that checks out. Jessika: It was bad news bears. So I didn't write this down but I'm just remembering but I did read or listened to sources that said that multiple women were arrested and went on hunger strike and they were forced feeding them It was just it was bad news. The whole thing was just bad. So this obviously was during a time when women were still fighting for the right to vote as I'd mentioned earlier. And the idea of feminism was just a twinkle of a notion. So Byrne Holloway and Marston all three lived together for years as a throuple. Super interestingly they made up a backstory for all of as a widowed relative and both Holloway and Byrne were raising Marston's children. Byrne's Children were always told that their father had passed away and did not find out about the truth of their father's identity until after his death. Mike: Wow. So he fathered children with both women, correct? Jessika: He did. Yeah He fathered I believe two with Byrne and three with Holloway. They all live together in a house and again they managed to keep it secret enough that even their children didn't know. In the same house It's so wild to me Like how you and Mike: Insane to me. Jessika: You fathered children with this woman and they didn't know. No one knew. I can't fathom that honestly. Especially in a time when everybody was up at everybody else's business. Mike: Oh yeah. It's not like we had Netflix. You needed to do invent your own drama. Jessika: You look out Mike: the window. Before Marston died because he died fairly young as I remember it. So that was the whole thing in the movie is that they got out as being in a throuple to their neighbors. Nothing? Jessika: Never happened. They didn't get in trouble at the school. They didn't get in trouble with the neighbors. None of that. It was seamless. Mike: That actually makes me really happy. Jessika: Me too Mike: I love the idea of it sounds like a relatively healthy family. Jessika: I Mike: don't know. Maybe? Jessika: Y'know from what I was hearing because we're still in 1910 we're still in the 1920s I guess at this point it's still is like Marston is Papa Marston he's still man of the house. So I don't know especially when you're looking at this whole -how it was phrased and this is just a couple of sources- but just as far as how it's phrased in this I don't know that Holloway really had a choice other than "well I could be stuck here with" I don't know if she had children at that point "I could maybe be stuck as a single mother in the 1920s or I could allow this other woman to come into my house" but what's great about that is Byrne was able to just stay home and raise the kids. So Holloway was still able to go out and have a career. Yeah She still went out and had a career And so that's where it's I have a hard time saying definitively black and white Marston was a feminist as we would call him now. Probably not. But he definitely had the leanings of that. And he definitely was far advanced for his time Mike: sure I can only imagine. Was he still teaching during this time or was he doing something else? Jessika: He did so many things. He did so many things and I'll actually get into that a little bit further. But it was such a it did seem like a good situation for everyone. Marston had multiple professional interests And Marston believed not only in equality for women, but even further he believed that society should be matriarchal... which is where he goes a little bit more like a Ooh he just kind of swings off you know Cause he's like, "no no no no we should go in the exact 180. There's no middle ground here Women should rule society." Sure right now we live with men. Let's flip it over on its head and see how it goes I guess? But would settle for equality. Mike: Speaking as a mediocre white dude I'm totally fine with this plan. Jessika: Great Let's put it into effect. Who could I call? Papa Joe? I'll bring Mike: it up at the next meeting at the next mediocre white dude club meeting Jessika: I knew you guys had meetings. The gays definitely have meetings Well yeah You know you know you know I'm like well like I'm excluding you from the LGBT community That's rude of me and my Mike: apologies. The rest of them already do already. It's fine. Jessika: To Touché. We did have that conversation earlier. Biphobia. It's a real problem Mike: Yeah It's fun. Jessika: Yeah we were talking about Marston and his wild matriarchal ideas. And his idea was that women were more thoughtful empathetic and level headed when making decisions and would be better suited to positions of leadership. And Marston is quoted as saying -and if you want us to read this quote for me: Mike: okay! " Frankly Wonder Woman is a psychological propaganda for the new type of woman who, I believe, should rule the world." Jessika: So you can kind of see where he was going with that. Obviously she's powerful, she's more powerful than most of the men that she comes across. And he really was trying to flip that on its head with this character. Mike: Yeah. There was nothing like her before that Jessika: No. Absolutely nothing. Absolutely nothing. However Marston's entry into the entertainment business didn't start with feminine power of Wonder Woman but instead with the film industry and again this is early film we're talking. He was in the silent film era and then moved talkies. Mike: Golden Age. Jessika: The Golden Age. And there he wrote screenplays and later acted as the consulting psychologist for universal pictures which I didn't even know That was a thing Having a consulting psychologist makes a lot of sense Mike: Yeah it does I just had no idea that was even a role that existed back then. Jessika: Yeah I know. And back then even I know. And at this point he'd already been published, having written dozens of magazine articles and a novel about his opinions Let's just call them or his findings about psychology at the time. And it is called a novel So just keep that in mind. It's called "Emotions of People" I believe. And they do mention it briefly in the film I didn't read it. I'm sure I could jump around and do I just didn't want to get into 1920s garbage which to He was then asked in 1941 to be the consulting psychologist for DC by Maxwell Charles Gaines who was more or less the creator of comics as we know them. At the time Gaines was under fire for content that folks deemed at the time to be risque. So he hired Marston to take off some of the heat by approving the content that was going out. With Marston on the team the largest complaints that they received was the aggressive masculinity that seemed to be the theme of all of the comic books. Yeah I know. You would think that we live in this society that values men so much you would think that we'd be able to just carry on with that you one form. Mike: Yeah Especially during that era which was right when we were getting into World War II and we were going hard for those traditional masculine values Jessika: Yup we want strong men who can go out there and die, I mean fight, for us. Yes. Marston suggested that the best way to counter that idea with the critics was to create a female superhero. Now Gaines accepted the idea but told Marston he had to write the strip himself. So he did. And with the help of illustrator Harry G Peter, Wonder Woman was in essence born. She was fierce, she was strong, she had a lasso that was that made others obey. It wasn't a truth thing that we now know it as the lasso of truth It was an obedient situation. Everybody who was lassoed had to obey her. So it was more of a dominance situation, which we will absolutely get to. And it makes a little bit more sense. Although there again with his lie detector the truth also makes sense. Either way, it tracks but it was obedience. Mike: Yeah you don't say. Jessika: One of her most important qualities was that she didn't kill. That was her empathy. That was that piece of her that was more feminine than some of those other comic book characters, those typical comic book characters Mike: Yeah. Even in the early days I know Batman killed people originally. He was like a goon and I think Superman did too in his early run. I think, can't remember for sure. Jessika: I believe so And then they when they got the comics code? When it was stricter with the comics code that's when they kind of moved into less actual killing from what I was reading I believe. Mike: You know I don't know for certain but it may have been before that because they were just they're such popular characters for kids. But I'm not entirely certain but I know that the early appearances are pretty brutal. I remember Batman hanging a dude from his plane. Jessika: Well I mean Superman came out in 1939 so yeah it's early. I'm going to send you a picture Mike: Okay. Jessika: And so this is the first introduction to Wonder Woman which was seen on the cover of sensation comics Will you please describe the cover? Mike: Yeah .So it is Sensation Comics Number One, the best of the DC magazines. You see Wonder Woman I'm not sure if the sun is really enlarged or if she is just jumping in front of something that's yellow to kind of add a little color to it but she is being shot at by a bunch of what appear to be mobsters somewhere in Washington DC because the capital is there and... is that is that the Lincoln Memorial? I can't tell what other building is that has the flag. Jessika: Apparently they're right across the street from each other. Not real life. This is scale. Mike: It looks like a vaguely government building I can't tell. Jessika: Yeah supposed to be something like that Mike: But it says "featuring the sensational new adventure strip character Wonder Woman!" You got to get that exclamation point in. She's kind of jacked like even back then which I kind of love. She is wearing a truly unflattering pair of boots that are only going up to mid calf as opposed to what we know now where they're just above the knee and armored and bad-ass. But it's the outfit that actually she's still sort of rocking the day where she's got the kind of red bustier with the gold eagle on it and then she's got the bulletproof bracelets and then she's got what I can only describe it as the bottom part of a sun dress kind of skirt where it's like very flowy? As opposed to that that gladiatorial skirt that she has now. But it's very identifiably Wonder Woman. Jessika: Yeah. And it goes back and forth between this was her first debut but it wasn't her first issue. first issue she was wearing more of what people were calling underpants of this same pattern. And that's what more used to. Yeah We're used to those like little booty shorts that she's rocking. So, right off the bat: Mike if you were a critic, in 1942 what would your main complaint about this be? Just based on the cover? Mike: I don't know. They were really concerned about the violence that was being marketed towards kids so probably the gunfire. Probably the fact that she was showing too much skin. Jessika: it. She wasn't clothed enough .Oh, they didn't care about the gunfire. That was not what was that was not the problem. Gasp. The drama was that Wonder Woman was wearing far too few clothes for Puritan America. Mike: Jesus Christ. And that's actually super tame Jessika: It's really tame. When you think about other superheroes that we have nowadays especially: You've got these massive boobs that are up to her neck and this little waist and like wearing a thong. But this is so covered Mike: Yeah. A lot of modern comics have these very almost suggestive poses. Do you remember when the Avengers came out and and all of the dudes had very action-oriented poses and then Black Widow was turned so that we could see her butt? She had Jessika: her like her arm up so that you could see her boob line. Mike: Yeah. And it's a really action oriented pose and it's very matter of fact there is nothing sexualized about that, kinda love. Jessika: Marston made it a point for her to be doing action and for her to be doing sports and for her to be doing things that were very active because women weren't given that as a role. So he really wanted to present that as another facet of, "Hey, this can also be feminine. Yeah I thought so, too. And while a slight costume adjustment seemed easy enough to deal with some critics also had qualms with other aspects of the comic. Namely, the depiction of women especially our heroine being tied or chained up or left in other positions of containment. Now, Marston's intention behind this seemed to be twofold in my opinion. Part one feminism and part two I also think he was just in kinky motherfucker. Which is great. Like, that's fine no kink shame. But we're going to briefly discuss both. So part one feminism. Marston was a supporter of women's rights, as we said. He was a supporter of the right to vote and the ability to have access to contraceptives. He'd been a supporter of these movements in his own right and was particularly struck by the female suffragettes who would chain themselves to a location in protest. Chains seem to him to be the very image brought to life of how society chains down and stifles women from succeeding. Either chaining them to their family before they're wed, chaining them to their new husband, or chaining them to pregnancies that they either cannot afford or don't want. In each of these portrayals of Wonder Woman being tied down there is always the moment that she's able to break free from her restraints in triumph which is just a perfect metaphor for the modern woman being able to break free from the societal chains that still bind her. And this hope that women will be able to eventually free themselves for good. In everything I've read, you had women suffragettes chaining themselves to places in protest. Same thing with the contraceptive movement. That was a huge metaphor for both of those movements, so it would make sense that if you are portraying a feminist during that era that that might be a theme. And I think people who maybe didn't support or were unfamiliar with the movements might have something to say negatively against the imagery, especially if they didn't understand Mike: We had a lot of people back then who were really pushing for propriety and basically you can't let immoral elements affect the children. They always fucking latch on to like "think of the children. Protect the children." Fuck off. Jessika: We still do that shit. This is just like pizza gate all over again. Mike: Yeah Jessika: Pizza gate before pizza gate. Little did they know. But part two: the kink factor. Marston had a whole dominance theory that I think tells a lot more about him than it does to the human experience In general I'm not going to get deep into the theory because we both have lives but it pertains to dominance and submission at the very minimum. Mike: You don't say. Jessika: Yo I know right. Mike: What. Shock. Jessika: At this point it's pretty well established that individuals have different drives and things that excite them. But I think that Marston was looking at the world from a place of, oh I like this So everybody is like this." Which just isn't the case for everybody. Mike: Right. But that's also like a very stereotypical kind of dude attitude. Jessika: Yeah. This is my worldview and so it must be everybody's. Absolutely. Again, he's some Harvard bro. Mike: Yeah. Yeah. Jessika: You're able to just go to Harvard in 1925 like Mike: NBD. I'm Jessika: gonna Mike: to be living near there soon. Oh God. I'm going to Jessika: be visiting you soon. I've got the people there. You're fine. We'll get you there. We'll get you there. But my impression is that he assumed that everyone else was a little kinky like him. Also it needs to be stated that again in interviewing Marson's children they never saw toys, ropes, anything that he had mentioned in the comics or that were the things that were being taken as this great offense, they didn't see any of those things. So it was this was also a complete surprise to them nothing related to bondage. Mike: Yeah that's wild man. I just I think about the fact that my partner has stories about how when everyone was out of the house she would just snoop around when she was growing up. And I remember doing that too And kids get into shit. Jessika: We also grew up in the age in the era of the latchkey child, though. My parents would just and not for long periods of time it's not like they would go out of town or something. But they'd leave us and say "don't answer the door. You're not home. Don't answer the phone. We'll call and ring twice and then hang up and then call back If we want to talk to you know whatever there was a code. But there again we lived in a different time even this many years I mean it just we sound like old people every time we have this conversation. Mike: You know someone pointed out that if Back To The Future was taking place today Marty McFly would be going back to like 91. Jessika: Don't do this to me. Mike: We're old, Jess. Jessika: We're Mike: practically Jessika: this Okay Mike. This is going to seem like such a non-sequitur But have you ever had to do a DISC personality assessment for any of your offices jobs? Mike: I don't think so. The name isn't familiar but describe this to me. Jessika: Basically it's like any of those other stupid employee personality tests where they try to like "what part of the team are you? How can we use your strengths?" I'm a supervisor so I've had to go through all this crap. And it's cool. It's a cool concept but it's also like mind numbing if it's not your wheelhouse. Mike: No. So I've never taken anything like this no. Jessika: Okay So yeah you basically answered a bunch of questions about what you would do in a situation. And it's kind of one of those no wrong answers kind of tests. And then they put you into one of four different categories. So I have had to do this before and and other ones like it but I honestly can't remember what I scored and I'm not going to get into a long-winded lecture on the topic either but suffice it to say that part of that is dominance That's the D and part of it is compliance which is the C. Mike: So was this something Marston came up with? Jessika: Yeah. Marston came up with and it's we still use version of this today which is so interesting. So far he's got lie detector, check. We still kind of use it today. Steve Wilkos does. And then now he's got the DISC which I definitely have taken. Now, it doesn't look the same. The categories are not the same as when he first created them. So less kink forward I would say. But you still have those two that are vibing you know. And for those of you are you unfamiliar with the kink scene: Power dynamics in play can sometimes come in the form of having one dominant and one submissive partner. But again not everybody functions in that way. Ultimately, wonder Woman was allowed to continue as she was. Delighting readers even to this day though of course the writing has changed hands multiple times meaning that her true meaning was sometimes lost to those who were in charge of telling her story. For example once Wonder Woman entered the Justice League she was immediately made to be the secretary. And there were many times that she was relegated to staying behind because she just had so much to take care of and "oh little old me couldn't get involved in having lifting" bullshit. God damn. She's so fucking strong. She has powers and Batman doesn't. Why the fuck does he get to go on missions? Why the fuck Isn't Batman the secretary? That's my question. Oh he has money my own his Mike: power that he's rich. Jessika: God damn. Yeah. Thanks for that Ben Affleck. We know. Still like him as Batman. Mike: Yeah. I'll die on that hill he was good. Jessika: Yeah Yeah He was good There was also a point where she lost her powers completely though did gain them back, those were times that Wonder Woman didn't necessarily feel like the fierce warrior she truly is. Mike: Yeah, actually, Brian's comics -our local comic shop- the first time I went in there they had the all-new Wonder Woman issue where it's like this iconic cover where it's her tearing up I think the original version of her and it's like get ready for the all new Wonder Woman I think that's when they de-powered her. I think. I'm not certain I'm really bummed that I didn't pick that up when it was there. Jessika: The idea behind that apparently was supposed to be that would make her more human and relatable but that's not you're just taking away the things that make her a stronger character for people that look up to her. Mike: Yeah I'm sorry. Did you were you able to hear my eyes rolling out of their Jessika: I did actually Yeah no that was a really palpable eye-roll. well Marston passed away at the age of 53 of cancer So very young like you were saying. Yeah. Holloway and Byrne continue living together until they both went into the hospital around the same time in 1990. When Byrne passed away, in a different room in the same hospital at the age of 86. Mike: I Jessika: got teary writing this so I'm probably going to get teary reading it. Upon hearing the news of burns passing Holloway sang a poem by Tennyson in her hospital room. So everything I've read alludes to the idea that Holloway and Byrne were also in a relationship with each other not just the man with all of them that they did have there were women who were kind of rotating in the house. It wasn't just these two there were other women who at different periods of time lived in the house undetected by the way can we just give it up for the Marston Family. Mike: Like. How? Jessika: That's what I'm saying. I don't know, money? And the dude had his little hands in everything so he probably just knew a bunch of people I don't know How do you get away with things as a guy I literally can't even imagine. Mike: This is my friend who's coming over to assist with this thing? The question is were they just coming into visit or were they living there for periods of Jessika: time? They were living there for a parts. Yes I know me too. I know. Okay let's run through: You have a widowed relative. You could be bringing in a nanny. You could be bringing in another person who works in the house et cetera et cetera. You could be bringing in a cousin or another type of relative. I'm sure you could excuse up the yin yang. Mike: Yeah I mean you can come up with excuses but if they're like living with you for any amount of time there are those moments of small intimacies that other people will pick up on. I don't know I mean were the kids just dumb? I don't know like how that requires some serious commitment to acting I feel. Jessika: Yeah. Oh yeah. Mike: So much fucking effort. Jessika: I was just going to say that. Can you imagine? I can't. Mike: No. Jessika: The mental strain alone. Mike: Like I have one partner, I have step-kids, and I have pets and that's like that's kind of the extent of my bandwidth. Jessika: Oh okay So I am non-monogamous or Poly, polyamorous. So I do have multiple partners although I they're what I would consider like secondary partners or partners that I don't I don't live with them, I don't necessarily see them on a super regular basis but I still maintain a relationship with them. And I still consider them partners. To whatever you know effect that is. But it is a lot of work and it's so much communication and you can just tell that Marston had to have been really communicative and that whole family had to have been really communicative. Mike: They must have been. Jessika: Or else how. Mike: At the same time like that era men weren't necessarily expected to be super communicative or show a lot of emotion or be the one to provide nurturing experiences with the kids. So maybe they just didn't get a lot of exposure to the kids and were really just exposed to their mothers and the motherly figures. I mean, this is all completely uninformed speculation so don't take anything that I'm saying with even a grain of salt like this. Jessika: Oh no. Absolutely at any rate Holloway passed away in 1993 at the ripe age of 100. Mike: Oh wow. So there was a little bit Jessika: of an age difference. Around Yeah there was there was yeah. Sounds like about a little bit less than 20 years. About 14 years. But if you think about it she was in college. Mike: Yeah. Jessika: He was her teacher and they were already married. He went to I want to say that he started college like prior to 1910. And they met and she moved into the house in 1925. So that's a good 15. Mike: He would have been about he would have been about 17 and 1910 right? Based on it like he was 1893 he said? Jessika: Yes yes. Yeah. And it sounds like Holloway was born the same year. Mike: Yeah and I got to say the love story between Holloway and Byrne sounds like something straight out of a movie. Which we're about to get into. But we all want to have that partner who is with us till the bitter end and then they sing a poem in our memory. Like goddamn. Jessika: It's just so beautiful. Yeah. They had it when they live together in the house, they had adjoining rooms and this is where it's like how did your kids not know because Marston would sleep in both. How did he like literally how did they not know? No it's wild to me. And then when they were older, byrne and Holloway lived in a little two bedroom place in Tampa together. This cute place apparently. So let's talk about our reactions here. We did also watch Professor Marston and the Wonder Women which I think it's worth a watch in my just off the bat. Mike: Yeah. I really liked it a lot and it was a movie that totally flew under the radar for me when it came out. I was vaguely aware of it but I really did not know much about it before we talked about what movies we wanted to do and March being women's month it seemed like a natural conclusion after the DCEU. Jessika: Yeah. Absolutely. That train wreck. I'm sorry. Mike: I was Jessika: of We did. We did enjoy one of the movies and we enjoyed aspects of of them. I trailed off my brain wouldn't let me do it It's like no that sentence Mike: I mean we kind of enjoyed parts of the Snyder cut Jessika: We did We liked it better Mike: than I don't like we're still Jessika: bitching about the Snyder Cut Mike: Look at Jessika: this Mike: back Jessika: Goddammit. We've literally can't get away from it Zach Snyder, hit us up.. No don't. You're not going to like what you hear I'm going to get to eat It adds Zach Snyder is going to be like Mike: I want the Snyder cut of Professor Marston in the Women which will be just scenes of Luke Evans with the Women in the background and don't do anything else. Jessika: And there's no dialogue in this one at all. It's just it's just heavy looks. Mike: It's just all the scenes from that sorority scene just over and just dark, scenes. Jessika: Definitely talk about that. Oh. What did you think about the film overall. Mike: Like I said, I overall really enjoyed it. I had heard about this movie a little bit. I remember my weightlifting partner at the time was telling me about how she and her wife had gone and enjoyed it and she thought that I would really like it. And I was like, "yeah okay cool." And then it just I didn't get around to seeing it while it was out in it's very limited run in theaters. And then I don't think it ever came to any streaming platform when I was aware of it. I was really surprised by actually how much I did enjoy it. I thought it was a shockingly sweet love story and I was expecting something much more judgmental or scandalous I was really expecting a much more judgy story about the Marstons and Byrne raising an entire family as a throuple. Jessika: was too. Mike: I was wondering if the relationship was ever outed and if they ever did break up like they did in the movie because that felt kind of forced and it felt very Hollywood and I was like "all right, whatever. This is dumb." At the end where they're on their knees submitting to Byrne." Jessika: Spot on That was made up There was none of that. Mike: I still think the most offensive thing about that movie was that they tried to make me think that someone who looked like Luke Evans was responsible for Wonder Woman's creation. I love Luke Evans I think he's really a fun actor and I was really glad to see him in a real role as opposed to I saw Dracula untold in theaters. I saw I'm Oh man I I didn't see Beauty and The Beast in theaters but I've since seen it. He's one of those actors where I feel like he just needs to be given good roles. He's like Kiana Reeves where I feel like he's often typecast and just thrust into stuff that aren't really any good but he was really good in this. That said: I've seen that man shirtless so many times and I don't know a single comic creator with abs like that. On the flip side, I went into this trying to keep myself as unaware a lot of the history of Marston but I do know what he looked like in his forties and that was like a dude in his seventies. Jessika: Did you watch all at the end of the film they had all the pictures. Yeah And you're just like, "oh. Oh." Like because Byrne and Holloway also not looking like who they cast. Not even a little bit, not even at all. Mike: Okay this is mean. But I'm like yes you look like the type of people who would be in a throuple. Jessika: No. Okay, fair enough And especially here's you know what it reminded me of it reminded me of those pictures that I used to see from that era where the Women especially with those two they looked like the type who would dress up as men and go to the clubs. Mike: Absolutely Jessika: I get that. It's just a vibe I get and maybe it's just my gaydar Like my pansexual gaydar is Mike: going But I mean that's the ongoing lie that Hollywood loves to tell us is that truly sexy people are in throuples all the time. No they're fucking not. I'm bI And I was dating here in the Bay area and I would occasionally get hit on by people looking for a third and they never looked like that. Jessika: And in my experience and opinion if you go at it with the wrong attitude you're not necessarily going to get what you want out of it. And it's not going to be a genuine feeling relationship. Mike: Which I mean like that's relationships in general. Like Yeah I feel like a huge thing of any successful relationship is communications. Stay tuned listeners for our next podcast about relationships and relationship advice And I don't know I don't know where I was going with that. Jessika: Oh I was like we have a new podcast. We're four episodes into this podcast and Mike's like folks we have a new podcast. You know what I like I like your gusto. I like a motivated you Mike: I did have two quibbles about the movie. Getting back on topic. First we earlier mentioned there was no acknowledgement about the problematic nature of how Marston and Byrne's relationship began. Where he was her professor and she was his student. The movie was very fuzzy with time it was very fluid that way. So it wasn't really explained if she was still his student when the relationship began or if she was his research assistant but there was that power imbalance and their dynamic and that was deeply uncomfortable for me because it wasn't addressed. They just kinda hand waved it away. Fine. Whatever. For the movie, fine. Jessika: same way about that. Yeah It just it's gross and to your point there is a power dynamic that I was thinking about. If you are trying to please somebody who has some sort of control over you, whatever that looks like, if it's somebody who has your grades or your future career or your education or even your job... you know this could be at a job setting. If that person has power over you you're less inclined to say "no" to them. And that automatically puts you at a disadvantage. Mike: It was something that I noticed and I was a little frustrated that it wasn't addressed better. The second was that it didn't feel like we actually got enough time with Wonder Woman. The comics and the character felt more like a framing device but a framing device that we didn't really get a lot of payoff on, considering the title of the movie. I thought the scenes where he was actually in the comic office and there was a bit where they're like "Oh well, they're upset about the bondage. And they're like I feel like there's twice as much. And then he just is like I put in three times as much and he keeps walking. And and Oliver Platt was so great and I wanted more of him. For a movie that has Wonder Woman or Wonder Women in the title I just I wanted a little bit more time and acknowledgement. It felt like much more attention was paid just to their relationship with like the first two thirds of the movie. And then he goes with hat in hand to Oliver Platt's character at... was it all-star Comics? Was Jessika: that it? Mike: Yeah. I mix up all the publishers because they've all merged and come together at various. So yeah he It just it it was And especially cause you were like no he got hired to like do this to get them out of hot water now I'm like that makes much more sense. Jessika: Yeah He Mike: Considering the importance that we're led to believe that Wonder Woman will be to his story, I mean she's there. Like they do a number of things where they keep teasing us with Wonder Woman but we never really get that payoff. What about you like Jessika: I did my research on the topic prior to watching the film. So this will be mostly on what the film did or didn't do correctly kind of history with my own opinion of course sprinkled in as you'd expect from So to your point most of the drama seems to have been fabricated There's no indication that any issues with Radcliffe, like trying to boot him for indecency or with the neighbors regarding their relationship, and again even their children didn't know until after Marston's passing about their relationship. And I didn't read anything about them having split up at any point. And again I think that was just added for a forceful Hollywood dramatics play, since we're on the topic of dominance. And there again Marston was already working for Gaines when he created the idea of Wonder Woman and it was in direct relation to the voice of the critics. So he was answering the critics here. So it didn't necessarily seem like as big of a you did this thing and now we're going to make you pay. It was like well okay Right. The sections with Connie Britton -love her by the way, want more in my life just in general- and their back and forth minus all the people drama was actually pretty accurate as far as capturing the concerns of the day and what was being argued in the lobby against Wonder Woman. And then also pretty accurate in what his counterpoints were in relation to the to the comic itself. Mike: Yeah And I thought that was a smart choice to kind of make her the voice of the critics. Jessika: Yeah. That being said his relationship didn't come up at any point in this again because nobody knew about it until after the fact. So it's not like she would have been like what about those things you were indecent. Well, no that that didn't happen. That was all for dramatics. Overall I really liked it. So, again, me as a pansexual: love a good queer film and also being polyamorous or non-monogamous it was so nice seeing that to your point represented so positively, and without judgment. That was so surprising to me I really thought that there was going to be some sort of aspect from the point of view of the viewer to not want them to succeed. But the whole time you really do you're rooting for them. Mike: If you're a fan of history in comic books I think this is a great movie to go check out. My final thought is that reminded me a lot of Kinsey. Did you ever see that? It had Liam Neeson and Laura Linney in it and it's all about Kinsey, the guy created the Kinsey scale of sexuality. Jessika: Oh okay I'll have to check it out Mike: It's great. This kind of reminded me the same way where it's mostly true. It's not quite all there because they have to tszuj it up for the audiences. Jessika: Yeah, yeah. Well, let's move on to our other film that we watched which was Wonder Woman from 2009. And that was the animated origin story of Wonder Woman Do you want to give an overview of the film for us? Mike: Yeah, sure. This is one of the original DC Universe Animated Original Movies which were at the time this came out in 2009 they were still in their infancy. They'd only done three before. This one is loosely based on George Perez's acclaimed 1980s storyline called "Gods and Monsters" and it's written by Gail Simone and Michael Jelenic. Gail Simone has gotten her own amount of acclaim for writing Wonder Woman as well. The film introduces us to the Amazons who win a war against Ares and then they're granted the Island of Themiscyra and immortality in exchange for acting as Ares' jailer by the gods. Diana is later sculpted from clay and given life by the gods. This is kind of in direct opposition to the current mythos of Zeus being her deadbeat dad and then Diana lives on the Island for thousands of years until pretty much the modern day when two key events happen. Steve Trevor crashes on the Island by happenstance and then Ares stages of jailbreak. And Diana has to take Steve back to the United States and he helps her and request to stop the god of war. Jessika: And actually pretty similar to where they tried to go with the original Wonder Woman. So this was absolutely not a cartoon for children. Mike: Nooooo. Jessika: blood spattered backgrounds, fairly graphic death scenes, and three beheadings three beheadings. We're talking the head flying off and falling dramatically at someone's feet kind of beheading. And that being said I didn't particularly mind the violent nature of the animation as a movie for adults as I feel that it was done in a way that felt true to the battle and the struggle of what was happening in the storyline and it didn't feel overly gross in its depictions or its animations like just enough to give the definite impression that violence was occurring. That makes sense Ares is a super violent guy and he affects everyone around him into violence themself so that it did make sense in that way. So things I liked is that it it seemed to me like a fairly good representation of Wonder Woman's origin story as it was originally told by Marston based on what I was reading. Mike: Yeah it it felt like a very classic take on Wonder Woman's origin. And it was very familiar to someone who grew up nominally aware of her origins and reading her mini comics with her action figure and stuff like that. Jessika: One main difference was that the movie was set in seemingly present day America. Since at one point Wonder Woman ends up fighting in a mall, the fighter planes that Steve and company were flying looked modern for 2009. Marston's Wonder Woman was originally set in World War Two of course whereas the 2018 live action film with Gal Gadot was set in World War One. So we've just jumped around. Again DC is definitely not consistent. Mike: It's comic books. And DC's own in- comics timeline has been drastically reworked several times just in our lifetime. Jessika: Yeah. Yeah. And this time period change it definitely affects the vibe and political climate of American society at that time in the cartoon we're not presented with a particular war or a reason for fighting we're evidently just supposed to understand that the world of men is in constant battle every moment. Whereas in the original comic and Wonder Woman film Both took place during large global wars where it wouldn't be a far leap to present the god of war as the cause of those events. Mike: Yeah, absolutely. Jessika: Now things I didn't like cause apparently I veered into not liking and then we're continuing down that road. For someone that wasn't raised in a patriarchal society, Diana's internalized misogyny is staggering. At one point she says to Steve, "you're starting to sound like a woman" when he's discussing having feelings for her and later says to Ares, "how can you expect to beat Zeus If you can't even beat a girl." The fuck that? Mike: Which kind of goes against everything else that she does in the movie. Jessika: Yeah it directly against it. Yeah, so that was irritating. And then not only that, the president, because apparently they're in Washington DC, the president is told that they were saved by a group of armored supermodels. Which I had to rewind it and write that line down grossed. Out It's such a condescending and reductive statement to make about individuals that just saved your lives while you apparently slept through the whole situation, Mr President. And it drives home the point that even in heroism, women's worth is still viewed only in her attractiveness. Mike: Yeah there was a lot of that. Jessika: Yeah. Yeah. They also have Diana do quite a bit of killing with absolutely no thought whatsoever which is not in the original character at all. That doesn't feel very Diana. Mike: I mean, no. But at the same time I don't particularly have a problem with it but yeah Jessika: Yeah. So that was me. What about you? Were you at with that? Mike: I think I had a slightly more positive take on the movie. I mean it sounds like you still enjoyed it, right? Jessika: Oh, I liked it. I still liked it. Yeah. Mike: Part of it is just I viewed it at the time when it first came out and this was one of the first animated original movies. And it was the first one that I remember enjoying. So I think that it's definitely tinted my perspective a little bit. Jessika: You had a nostalgia factor that I didn't I hadn't seen it prior. Mike: I remember seeing the reviews for it and I was like, "Oh this looks really cool. The others that were released before that they were all, well two of the three were just straight adaptations of other you know quote unquote iconic stories So there is Superman: Doomsday which was the death and life of Superman and I did not give a shit about that movie. It was really I felt flat. Then there was Justice League: The New Frontier which is based on a really acclaimed mini series. And then there was Batman Gotham Knight which was -if I remember right- it was several different animated shorts and different animated styles. And none of them really did it for me. But the DC Animated Universe, which was helmed by Bruce Timm, so that's like the original Batman animated series from the nineties as well as the Superman series and then Justice League and then Batman Beyond or vice versa and then Justice League Unlimited, those were all incredible. And I knew that eventually we would get to the same point with the animated movies and Wonder Woman felt like that home run that I knew they'd eventually hit. So I really enjoyed the film overall and even watching it yesterday afternoon I had a blast, you know, even a decade later. I think its strongest element is that the movie clearly has zero fucks to give. That battle between the Amazons and Ares is incredibly violent and it's obvious from the first 30 seconds in that this is going to be a RIDE. And it doesn't shy away from some really tough narrative elements like where Hippolyta actually in that battle It's revealed that she kills Thrax, the son of Ares. Thrax is her child who is very heavily implied the product of rape by Jessika: Ares. Mike: Also the vocal cast is just incredible. This was 2009 Keri Russell, Nathan Fillion, Virginia Madsen, Rosario Dawson, Alfred Molina, and then Oliver Platt. They were really well-regarded actors at the time and they're still pretty big and side note Oliver Platt was in both of the movies that we watched for this Jessika: episode. I literally thought of that when you said that. Mike: he fucking steals every scene he's in. He was just this delightful villainous Hades and he's kinda gross but he's also just wonderfully sinister. I really dug that and I also really dug how it felt like a pretty faithful adaptation of the origin while still feeling fresh and fast. Like this movie is not long. That kind of leads into something that I didn't like was that It's a very short movie. It's barely over an hour long. I feel like we needed a director's cut or something because of the lines could have been fleshed out a little bit more like this is something Look Jessika: who wants director's cut now. Mike: Release the Simone cut or something, I don't know. I feel like there were a couple of sub plot lines that were kind of just glossed over. Like I mentioned Thrax is actually Diana's half-brother. I feel like maybe there might've been something more there. Maybe there wasn't, who knows. But it just it felt like something that I would have liked a little more room to breathe. And that's said, it was pretty solid. That said there were some problematic elements. Like Steve was so gross and so cringy Jessika: He kept calling her Angel and I just wanted to punch him in the jaw. Mike: Which, I mean, so that's like a thing from the comics and his other earlier incarnations but this time around it just felt gross. It felt like "babe" and you know blech. Jessika: Yeah. Yeah. He just he rolled in and was like "Oh naked ladies I'm in right place for me." Mike: And the problem is that Nathan Fillion was just too good at making him a sleazebag. Jessika: Which, love Nathan Fillion. Mike: I do too. Like, okay dude, we get it. He's kind of a gross misogynist. We don't need him to hit on Diana for the fifth time in as many minutes. Etta Candy viewing Diana as competition was also dumb. Candy's always been one of her best friends and I still think that her incarnation in the original movie was pitch perfect. And then her being this skinny little supermodel who's trying to flirt with Steve was dumb. You mentioned the other problematic misogynistic elements that I noted. the only other thing, and this wasn't an actual problem, was that I didn't realize how much better Wonder woman's costume is these days rather than the super swimsuit that we had for so long. It's funny because growing up with it, I never thought about it. And then really only in the last five years or so we've gotten a much more a

Episode #37 of the Dime Comic Bros Podcast!Our main topic for this episode is Superman: Doomsday (2007)! We also discuss the news for the week - including the Batman: The Long Halloween Part 1, Falcon and the Winter Soldier Episode #3, and what we've been reading and watching!

In This episode, I go back and review the first DC Animated release Superman: Doomsday. I will talk in-depth about the movie. Enjoy!

The first in a series of commentaries looking at the DC Original Animated Movies, beginning, as these things should, with the first one. Witness the first attempt at the epic Death & Return of Superman storyline with Superman: Doomsday!

The first in a series of commentaries looking at the DC Original Animated Movies, beginning, as these things should, with the first one. Witness the first attempt at the epic Death & Return of Superman storyline with Superman: Doomsday!

The first in a series of commentaries looking at the DC Original Animated Movies, beginning, as these things should, with the first one. Witness the first attempt at the epic Death & Return of Superman storyline with Superman: Doomsday!Feedback for this show can be sent to: charliesgeekcast@gmail.comYou can subscribe to Charlie’s Geekcast through iTunes, Google Play, the RSS Feed, Stitcher, TuneIn Radio, Spotify, or you can also download the episode directly here. You can also visit the show's Facebook group page. For complete show notes, including more images, please be sure to visit the blog.

The first in a series of commentaries looking at the DC Original Animated Movies, beginning, as these things should, with the first one. Witness the first attempt at the epic Death & Return of Superman storyline with Superman: Doomsday!Feedback for this show can be sent to: charliesgeekcast@gmail.comYou can subscribe to Charlie’s Geekcast through iTunes, Google Play, the RSS Feed, Stitcher, TuneIn Radio, Spotify, or you can also download the episode directly here. You can also visit the show's Facebook group page. For complete show notes, including more images, please be sure to visit the blog.

This week on DC Talk, Mike and Keri discuss the cancellation of Black Lightning, WW84 and its release style and the watch Superman die and resurrect on Superman Doomsday!

This week on DC Talk, Mike and Keri discuss the cancellation of Black Lightning, WW84 and its release style and the watch Superman die and resurrect on Superman Doomsday!

In this week's adventure, Magnus goes back to the well by taking a look at Wizard #27. This will probably be the last issue of Wizard on TMPR for quite a while. So enjoy it while you can. This time out, Magnus talks at considerable length about a Dan Jurgens interview, the Superman/Doomsday miniseries, a bit of WildC.A.T.s, general Jim Lee chit-chat and so much more. Weren't the nineties awesome? So what more do you need to hear? Start listening now before, who knows, maybe Dan Jurgens and Jim Lee show up at your house to demand the money that you owe them.

In this week's adventure, Magnus goes back to the well by taking a look at Wizard #27. This will probably be the last issue of Wizard on TMPR for quite a while. So enjoy it while you can. This time out, Magnus talks at considerable length about a Dan Jurgens interview, the Superman/Doomsday miniseries, a bit of WildC.A.T.s, general Jim Lee chit-chat and so much more. Weren't the nineties awesome? So what more do you need to hear? Start listening now before, who knows, maybe Dan Jurgens and Jim Lee show up at your house to demand the money that you owe them.

  BONUS EPISODE - Superman: Doomsday Audio Commentary Bonus episode! Connor-El and Rey-Zod do a commentary for the animated film Superman: Doomsday to tie in to the DCAU Podcast review of the film where Connor-El guests! The DCAU review of Superman Doomsday with Connor-El guesting SEND IN YOUR FEEDBACK OR THOUGHTS ON - email : lskpodcast@gmail.com Twitter: @LSKPodcast FB Page: facebook.com/lskpodcast Proud Member of The Collective The music for this episode contains excerpts from various songs and is copyrighted by Styzmask. The music used on Last Sons of Krypton - A Superman Podcast is licensed under an Attribution License;

Alan Sharpe and Rebecca Hart join forces to explore the world of DC Animated Movies, a journey featuring a variety of characters, universes and more varieties of Batman than you can count on your hands, The DCAU Podcast is a fortnightly rewatch Podcast. Presented by Alan Sharpe & Rebecca Hart Guest Host Connor McKenna Check out Connor's Podcasts Last Sons of Krypton: A Superman Podcast http://lskpodcast.libsyn.com/ Sons of the Dragon: The Immortal Iron Fist Podcast (Rebecca is also a co-host) : https://sonsofthedragontheimmortalironfistpodcast.wordpress.com Alan also presents Rise of the Robots: A Battlebots/Robot Wars Podcast: https://audioboom.com/channels/4992208 Edited by Alan Sharpe Theme: Chiptune Hero by Teknoaxe Follow us on Twitter @DCAUPodcast Email us at dcaupodcast@yahoo.com

Das heutige rund dreistündige cineastische Zirkeltraining führt unsere beiden Banausen heute eher in unbekannte Gefilde, ohne die Popcorn mampfenden Blockbusterfans ganz und gar zu ignorieren. Lehnt euch zurück, schließt die Augen und hört unseren Podcast...bis ihr kotzt! https://bewegtbildbanausen.podigee.io/49-filme-serien-episode-26 https://instagram.com/bewegtbildbanausen Timecodes: (00:00:00) Finger weg - und das bitte wörtlich nehmen! (00:08:51) Jay & Silent Bob Reboot (00:21:05) Superman Doomsday (00:28:14) Tron (00:47:16) Bridget Jones's Baby (00:57:35) Tron Legacy (01:13:40) All I See Is You (01:24:19) The Big Shave (01:30:20) Lucky Them (01:39:27) 7.35 In The Morning (01:44:05) The Bronze (01:54:04) The Six Shooter (02:04:13) The Comedian (02:18:45) The Navigator (02:44:40) Godless

  Superman vs. Doomsday! So Nice, They Did it Twice! On this week’s show: In this Super packed episode of GotS, the gang takes an in-depth look at the Man of Steel, Superman! We have a read pile review of the 90s classic Superman/Doomsday plus recommendations on more great comics […]

Season 5.5 Edition – Legends Of Tomorrow Turncoat (A CW Network Arrow Television Show Fan Podcast) ST160   Episode:            “Turncoat” [Season 2 Episode 11] Air Date:           Tuesday, February 7, 2017 Director:           Alice Troughton                         http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488618/?ref_=tt_ov_dr                         2x Legends | 1x Flash | 1x Teen Wolf | 13x Merlin | 9x Sarah Jane Adventures | 2x Doctor Who | 2x Torchwood   Writers: Grainne Godfree                         http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3113826/?ref_=ttfc_fc_wr5                         6x Flash | 6x Legends | 1x Arrow | 4x Tomorrow People   Matthew Maala                         http://www.imdb.com/name/nm5279759/?ref_=ttfc_fc_wr6                         4x Legends Promo: https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/dc/legends_of_tomorrow/new-extended-promo-for-legends-of-tomorrow-season-2-a148588   Arrow Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating 01 Legacy 5-Oct-16 1.89 02 The Recruits 12-Oct-16 1.94 03 A Matter Of Trust 19-Oct-16 1.79 04 Penance 26-Oct-16 1.87 05 Human Target 2-Nov-16 1.61 06 So It Begins 9-Nov-16 1.95 07 Vigilante 16-Nov-16 1.86 08 Invasion 30-Nov-16 3.55 09 What We Leave Behind 7-Dec-16 1.94 10 Who Are You 25-Jan-17 1.68 11 Second Chances 1-Feb-17 1.91 12 Bratva 8-Feb-17 1.61 13 Spectre Of The Gun 15-Feb-17 1.66 14 The Sin-Eater 22-Feb-17 1.54 15 Fighting Fire with Fire 1-Mar-17 1.60 16 Checkmate 15-Mar-17 1.53 17 Kapiushon 22-Mar-17 1.38 18 Disbanded 29-Mar-17 1.55 19 Dangerous Liaisons 26-Apr-17 20 Underneath 3-May-17 21 Honor Thy Fathers 10-May-17 22 Missing 17-May-17 23 Lian Yu 24-May-17   Legends Of Tomorrow Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating 01 Out Of Time 13-Oct-2016 3.01 02 Justice Society of America 20-Oct-2016 2.83 03 Shogun 27-Oct-2016 2.71 04 Abominations 3-Nov-2016 1.75 05 Compromised 10-Nov-2016 1.77 06 Outlaw Country 17-Nov-2016 1.85 07 Invasion 1-Dec-2016 3.39 08 The Chicago Way 8-Dec-2016 2.00 09 Raiders Of The Lost Art 24-Jan-2016 1.74 10 The Legion Of Doom 31-Jan-2017 1.78 11 Turncoat 7-Feb-17 1.89 12 Camelot/3000 21-Feb-17 1.64 13 Land Of The Lost 7-Mar-17 1.54 14 Moonshoot 14-Mar-17 1.34 15 Fellowship of the Spear 21-Mar-17 1.72 16 Doomworld 28-Mar-17 1.59 17 Aruba 4-Apr-17 1.52   Supergirl Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating 01 The Adventures of Supergirl 10-Oct-16 3.06 02 The Last Children of Krypton 17-Oct-16 2.66 03 Welcome to Earth 24-Oct-16 2.65 04 Survivors 31-Oct-16 2.22 05 Crossfire 7-Nov-16 2.47 06 Changing 14-Nov-16 2.35 07 The Darkest Place 21-Nov-16 2.61 08 Medusa 28-Nov-16 3.53 09 Supergirl Lives 23-Jan-17 2.65 10 We Can Be Heroes 30-Jan-17 2.35 11 The Martian Chronicles 6-Feb-17 2.4 12 Luthors 13-Feb-17 2.52 13 Mr. & Mrs. Mxyzptlk 20-Feb-17 2.24 14 Homecoming 27-Feb-17 2.17 15 Exodus 6-Mar-17 2.16 16 Star-Crossed 20-Mar-17 2.07 17 Distant Sun 27-Mar-17 2.21 18 Ace Reporter 24-Apr-17   THE FLASH Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date  / Rating 01 Flashpoint 4-Oct-16 3.17 02 Paradox 11-Oct-16 2.80 03 Magenta 18-Oct-16 2.67 04 The New Rogues 25-Oct-16 2.80 05 Monster 1-Nov-16 2.77 06 Shade 15-Nov-16 3.01 07 Killer Frost 22-Nov-16 2.95 08 Invasion! 29-Nov-16 4.15 09 The Present 6-Dec-16 3.14 10 Borrowing Problems From The Future 24-Jan-17 2.68 11 Dead Or Alive 31-Jan-17 3.06 12 Untouchable 7-Feb-17 2.94 13 Attack on Gorilla City 21-Feb-17 2.78 14 Attack On Central City 28-Feb-17 2.87 15 The Wrath of Savitar 7-Mar-17 2.52 16 Into The Speed Force 14-Mar-17 2.39 17 Duet 21-Mar-17 2.71 18 Abra Kadabra 28-Mar-17 2.39 19 The Once And Future Flash 25-Apr-17 20 I Know Who You Are 2-May-17   What was the overall theme for this episode? What was the link to the episodes name? Rip has betrayed the team Revolution seen by British as a rebellion being fought by traitors Fight scenes and stunts Christmas Eve Party British with modern guns storm party Nate steels up Ray punches Rory heat gun Sara has to force George to go with them Rip sets off EMP Sara gets shot (Rip thinks he kills her) Nate and Amaya are attacked Nate, steeled up, falls into river Amaya subdues guy; goes into river as seal Jax vs. Rip Jax sets traps on ship Jax gets weapons Plays cat-and-mouse with Rip; Rip knows ship Jax gives up spear; Rip “kills” Sara (again) George and Rory's plan George with noose around neck; learned the word “Kaboom” Rory gets gun; punches George punches way down Nate comes in to stop bullet with steel hand Time travel 1776 - New Jersey and Pennsylvania - Christmas Eve and Christmas Rip brings modern guns to Revolution Epic time quake - America in danger It's a trap like Chicago Have to save Washington (And Rory; that's implied) Time stream No days of the week Christmas party Sara Lance / White Canary Knows time quake is a trap Comes up with a good plan Surprise at seeing Rip understandable Puts Jax in charge Talks Jax out of shooting Rip; saving you, not Rip Christmas speech - we have what the Legion doesn't, family, and no one fights like family Ray Palmer / The Atom Chore wheel Blames rat on Rory Small because of EMP; turns on auxiliary power Mick Rory / Heat Wave Likes to eat; trail of trash Tells George (Georgie) that he's a fop; real Americans are misfits and outcasts; we don't give up George Washington tells him that he is what America is all about Gets statue Martin Stein / Firestorm Can't form Firestorm due to EMP (but how do they fix that?) I'm a physicist, not a doctor Jefferson Jackson / Firestorm Sets traps Gives up part of spear; feels bad Nate Heywood / Steel Dating is super casual now; we all use an app Hypothermia (such a lame way to get them together) Amaya Jiwe / Vixen Body heat to save Nate Hooks up with Nate Angry at Nate for not wanting to get right back to work Thanks for last night Rip Hunter Temporary member of the Legion of Doom Captain Hunter was the puppet History isn't worth saving; watch it burn Gets part of spear; kills Sara anyway Gideon Has 1.2 zetabytes of info to get through; could do it faster if turn off life support Fortunately, Captain Lance still has active brain cells; saves Sara Legion of Doom Eobard Thawne / Reverse-Flash Damien Darhk Malcolm Merlyn Justice Society of America Rex Tyler/Hourman - Obsidian - Commander Steel - Dr. Mid-Nite - Stargirl -   ARROW NEWS   How Arrow Needs To Be More Like The Comics In Season 6, According To Stephen Amell (Date: 27 June 2017) During his panel at the Portland Heroes & Villains Fan Fest this past weekend, the actor mentioned that he's talked with the show's producers about having Oliver Queen start to resemble his comic book counterpart more closely this upcoming season and beyond. Amell said, “I've said that it's very, very important that if Oliver doesn't take away lessons from Season 5 and doesn't keep doing the things that have led to this catastrophic event, the character stops being interesting to me. So I hope that part of that, in Season 6 and if we have seasons beyond that, I hope that part of that is we get back to a lot of the tenets that people recognize from the comics. And that of course is humor and a socially conscious, slightly liberal superhero.” http://www.cinemablend.com/television/1674590/how-arrow-needs-to-be-more-like-the-comics-in-season-6-according-to-stephen-amell The Big Arrow Relationship That Will Change In Season 6 (Date: 27 June 2017) CinemaBlend's own Adam Holmes was in attendance at a recent panel with Stephen Amell, who had this to say about Oliver and William in Season 6: “I'm excited that not only are they going to learn about having the father/son relationship, I think we're going to explore that in Season 6, but [William] also knows that Oliver is the Green Arrow. So there's a lot of interesting layers and dynamics. I'm just excited to have to teach him a lesson. As a father, Oliver will definitely try to be better than what he's been as a person... So hopefully he can be a good example for William.” http://www.cinemablend.com/television/1674549/the-big-arrow-relationship-that-will-change-in-season-6 Matt's Inside Line: Scoop on The Flash, Once, Lucifer, The Strain, Blindspot, Orphan Black, This Is Us and More! (Date: 29 June 2017) Any news on Arrow Season 6 in general? —It can be teased that the next, yet-to-be-cast Big Bad has been on many a fan's wish list. http://tvline.com/2017/06/29/flash-season-4-spoilers-barry-iris-time-jump/   GENERAL DC TV NEWS Every DC Universe Original Movie To Be Collected In A Massive Box Set (Date: 28 June 2017) Warner Bros. Animation is celebrating the tenth anniversary of its direct-to-video films featuring DC Comics' heroes with a massive 30-film collection. The set will collect every movie from the past decade, from Superman: Doomsday, the very first film in the series, to the as yet unreleased Batman and Harley Quinn. The collection will also feature the animation studios' five “DC Showcase” animated shorts – The Spectre, Green Arrow, Jonah Hex, Catwoman and Superman/Shazam: The Return of Black Adam, along with a host of unannounced special features. All in all, the collection will be comprised of 32 separate Blu-ray discs. The Blu-ray box set will arrive in stores on November 7, and the set will be available for Digital Download on August 15. Pricing has not been announced for either version. http://www.cbr.com/dc-universe-original-movie-box-set/ Matt's Inside Line: Scoop on The Flash, Once, Lucifer, The Strain, Blindspot, Orphan Black, This Is Us and More! (Date 29 June 2017) Any scoop on how The Flash‘s Iris will be grieving Barry after sacrificing himself to the Speed Force? — With the action picking up six months later, it's unclear if time heals all wounds. “We still don't have Barry out of the Speed Force,” Candice Patton told us at Wednesday's Saturn Awards. “Iris is really struggling to deal with that, and she does it in her own way.” And while there's buzz that Iris will have assumed a larger role within Team Flash, Patton was mum on what if anything Barry's fiancée might be doing to try to get her love back: “That's a very interesting question that I can't really answer!” http://tvline.com/2017/06/29/flash-season-4-spoilers-barry-iris-time-jump/ The winners of the 43rd Annual Saturn Awards (Date 28 June 2017) Best Actress on Television: Melissa Benoist (Supergirl); Best Supporting Actress on Television: Candice Patton (The Flash); Best Superhero Adaptation TV Series: Supergirl http://www.saturnawards.org/   NEXT EPISODE   Link to Promo: (Date: 07 Feb 2017) https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/dc/legends_of_tomorrow/legends-of-tomorrow-season-2-episode-12-promo-a148787   Episode: “Camelot/3000” [Season 2 Episode 12] Air Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 Summary: The Legends continue their quest to find the Spear of Destiny before the Legion of Doom get their hands on the pieces. Their first stop is the future, after which they travel to Camelot and find Stargirl guarding a piece of the Spear. Director: Antonio Negret Writer: Anderson Mackenzie IMDB link: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5957760/?ref_=ttep_ep12   Join The Starling Tribune each week as we stream live on Sunday afternoons 6:00 PM eastern or 5:00 PM Central at www.geeks.live. Join the fun chatroom and interact with the hosts live. Contact us: @StarlingTribune - starlingtribune@gmail.com - www.starlingtribune.com - www.facebook.com/starlingtribune - 612-888-CAVE or 612-888-2283.   Starling Tribune is proud to be a member of the GonnaGeek network found at GonnaGeek.com. For more geeky podcast visit GonnaGeek.com.   You can find us on iTunes under ''Starling Tribune." We are very thankful for all of our positive iTunes reviews. 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This is the start of the GeekCast Radio Network's ToonCast Beyond Crossover block with The Animation Aficionados We will be covering all the DC Universe Animated Original Movies. From Superman Doomsday to Justice League Doom!! In Episode 02 of Toon Beyond we start with Superman Doomsday this was the shortest episode The Animation Aficionados have ever recorded. ...

First up in a DC and Marvel Animated retrospective with a look at Superman Doomsday.

AroundComics.com Comic Books Culture Podcast Ep. 105With Chris away, Sal and Tom are joined by Mike Norton to discuss the weeks comic book news and Top of the Stack pics. The crew talks about The illegal Silver Surfer Quarters, the Russ Manning Award nominees, Superman Doomsday cartoon, Star Trek, The Flash, Teen Titans Movie, 300 and more. We also go over our favorite books of the week, next weeks releases and some listener emails.Support the show