Podcasts about world war one

In this episode we discuss the improvised gas masks used by British and Commonwealth soldiers in 1915, the advancement in medical treatment during the Great War, whether soldiers were told in advance about the explosion of mines on the battlefield and the use of soldiers packs in WW1.Our episode on Gas Warfare in WW1 is available here: Gas! Gas! Gas!JD Hutt's YouTube Channel: The History Underground.Got a question about this episode or any others? Drop your question into the Old Front Line Discord Server or email the podcast.Send us a textSupport the show

Japan emerges as a major player among world powers as their ambassadors helped finalize the postwar treaties and create a new international body meant to stop large-scale wars before they began: The League of Nations. However, trouble continued brewing on the Korean Peninsula as a new mass movement for national liberation took to the streets.Higher Listenings: Joy for EducatorsA new podcast from Top Hat delivering ideas, relief, and joy to the future of teaching.Listen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the show My latest novel, "Califia's Crusade," is now available at Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Kobo, Apple Books, Bookshop.org, and many other online platforms!

In this episode we start a look at some of the Forgotten Memoirs of the First World War, starting with Percy Croney's 'Soldiers Luck' published in the mid-1960s. Croney was a 1914 volunteer who served with the Essex Regiment and Scottish Rifles at Gallipoli and on the Western Front, being wounded several times and taken prisoner in March 1918. We ask what the value of memoirs like this are to our understanding of the Great War. Percy Croney - Soldier's Luck on Open LibraryGot a question about this episode or any others? Drop your question into the Old Front Line Discord Server or email the podcast.Send us a textSupport the show

The new international status quo that emerged after the first World War was very different than what came before, and Japan was poised to become a major new power in this new world.Support the show My latest novel, "Califia's Crusade," is now available at Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Kobo, Apple Books, Bookshop.org, and many other online platforms!

The eastern front of the first world war was much busier than its western counterpart and the stakes for one nation were much higher. When the war finally ended with the Entente triumphant, Japan was poised to enjoy the advantages of supporting the winning side.Support the show My latest novel, "Califia's Crusade," is now available at Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Kobo, Apple Books, Bookshop.org, and many other online platforms!

9 Hours and 17 MinutesPG-13Thomas777 is a revisionist historian and a fiction writer.This is the complete audio to the World War One series Thomas777 did with Pete.Thomas' SubstackRadio Free Chicago - T777 and J BurdenThomas777 MerchandiseThomas' Book "Steelstorm Pt. 1"Thomas' Book "Steelstorm Pt. 2"Thomas on TwitterThomas' CashApp - $7homas777Pete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's SubstackPete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

In this episode of podcast listeners questions we ask: what Great War items would you take to a Desert Island, how was cause of death accurately reported or not by the military authorities, how did men on the front line get news of other fronts and their own, and were truces to bury the dead common on the Western Front?Book Recommendation: Frederick Manning Her Privates We/Middle Parts of Fortune.Got a question about this episode or any others? Drop your question into the Old Front Line Discord Server or email the podcast.Send us a textSupport the show

Cultural and Media CritiquesDisney's Hypocrisy and Cultural Influence (00:06:44 - 00:21:52)Travis exposes Disney's contradictory stance, operating a UAE theme park despite local anti-homosexuality laws while promoting progressive agendas in the U.S. He labels Disney a “grooming syndicate” driven by greed, citing Bob Iger's opposition to Florida's anti-grooming bill and inappropriate content in Star Wars: Andor as evidence of cultural manipulation.Critique of Modern Art and Hollywood (00:24:24 - 00:27:14)Travis denounces Hollywood and modern art for their soulless, ironic output, citing a Luigi Mangione musical as disrespectful. He accuses them of Marxist influences (e.g., Saul Alinsky) and spinelessness, failing to engage reality with depth or sincerity.Encouraging Christian Art (00:30:34 - 00:33:55)Travis calls for Christians to create art to counter demonic cultural influences, praising Doctor Universalis for its depiction of communion and emphasizing self-publishing's accessibility as a tool for cultural resistance.Hollywood's Decline and AI Art (00:36:29 - 00:39:07)Travis attributes Hollywood's decline to satanic influences and corporate control (e.g., BlackRock). He notes AI-generated art replicates vapid content, lacking depth and serving corporate quotas, reflecting a broader cultural decay.Political and Bureaucratic IssuesNew Pope's Background (01:03:09 - 01:06:25)Travis discusses the new American pope, Robert Prevost (Pope Leon XIV), highlighting his opposition to same-sex marriage and gender studies. He criticizes the media's focus on political metrics (e.g., Trump support) over theological substance.China-Russia Alliance (01:39:39 - 01:44:46)Travis warns of Xi Jinping and Putin's alliance to counter Western hegemony, noting their pursuit of power rather than anti-globalism. He predicts escalating U.S. conflict as a result of this geopolitical shift.Bureaucracy's Treason (01:50:50 - 01:54:22)Travis invokes Julien Benda's The Treason of the Clerics to critique intellectuals' political passions, calling Trump weak for failing to confront bureaucratic resistance and questioning his commitment to reform.War and Its ImpactsWar's Brutality in Storm of Steel (01:19:47 - 01:26:39)Travis reflects on Ernst Jünger's Storm of Steel, reading passages about World War I's romanticized yet brutal reality. He rejects notions of “safe” war, emphasizing its unchanging horror through vivid soldier experiences.Technology and SocietyAI in Courtroom (00:41:25 - 00:43:50)Travis finds an AI-generated victim impact statement in an Arizona courtroom alarming, warning of future psychological programming abuses and comparing it to dystopian scenarios.Automotive Industry (Eric Peters Interview)Loss of Driving Freedom (02:06:05 - 02:09:27)Travis and Eric lament the erosion of driving freedom due to regulations, high costs, and police presence. Eric sees an agenda to discourage car ownership, contrasting past affordability with modern constraints.Car Complexity and Debt Cycles (02:12:36 - 02:15:27)Eric and Travis critique modern cars' complexity and planned obsolescence, which trap consumers in debt. They view cars as shackles rather than symbols of freedom, reflecting broader societal control.Authoritarian Aesthetics (02:21:46 - 02:24:48)Eric links bland, uniform car designs to authoritarian ugliness (e.g., East Germany), while Travis mourns homogenized city skylines, both seeing a loss of beauty driven by regulatory and corporate forces.Follow the show on Kick and watch live every weekday 9:00am EST – 12:00pm EST https://kick.com/davidknightshow Money should have intrinsic value AND transactional privacy: Go to https://davidknight.gold/ for great deals on physical gold/silver For 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to https://trendsjournal.com/ and enter the code KNIGHT Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.comIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @DavidKnightShow@protonmail.comCash App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

Cultural and Media CritiquesDisney's Hypocrisy and Cultural Influence (00:06:44 - 00:21:52)Travis exposes Disney's contradictory stance, operating a UAE theme park despite local anti-homosexuality laws while promoting progressive agendas in the U.S. He labels Disney a “grooming syndicate” driven by greed, citing Bob Iger's opposition to Florida's anti-grooming bill and inappropriate content in Star Wars: Andor as evidence of cultural manipulation.Critique of Modern Art and Hollywood (00:24:24 - 00:27:14)Travis denounces Hollywood and modern art for their soulless, ironic output, citing a Luigi Mangione musical as disrespectful. He accuses them of Marxist influences (e.g., Saul Alinsky) and spinelessness, failing to engage reality with depth or sincerity.Encouraging Christian Art (00:30:34 - 00:33:55)Travis calls for Christians to create art to counter demonic cultural influences, praising Doctor Universalis for its depiction of communion and emphasizing self-publishing's accessibility as a tool for cultural resistance.Hollywood's Decline and AI Art (00:36:29 - 00:39:07)Travis attributes Hollywood's decline to satanic influences and corporate control (e.g., BlackRock). He notes AI-generated art replicates vapid content, lacking depth and serving corporate quotas, reflecting a broader cultural decay.Political and Bureaucratic IssuesNew Pope's Background (01:03:09 - 01:06:25)Travis discusses the new American pope, Robert Prevost (Pope Leon XIV), highlighting his opposition to same-sex marriage and gender studies. He criticizes the media's focus on political metrics (e.g., Trump support) over theological substance.China-Russia Alliance (01:39:39 - 01:44:46)Travis warns of Xi Jinping and Putin's alliance to counter Western hegemony, noting their pursuit of power rather than anti-globalism. He predicts escalating U.S. conflict as a result of this geopolitical shift.Bureaucracy's Treason (01:50:50 - 01:54:22)Travis invokes Julien Benda's The Treason of the Clerics to critique intellectuals' political passions, calling Trump weak for failing to confront bureaucratic resistance and questioning his commitment to reform.War and Its ImpactsWar's Brutality in Storm of Steel (01:19:47 - 01:26:39)Travis reflects on Ernst Jünger's Storm of Steel, reading passages about World War I's romanticized yet brutal reality. He rejects notions of “safe” war, emphasizing its unchanging horror through vivid soldier experiences.Technology and SocietyAI in Courtroom (00:41:25 - 00:43:50)Travis finds an AI-generated victim impact statement in an Arizona courtroom alarming, warning of future psychological programming abuses and comparing it to dystopian scenarios.Automotive Industry (Eric Peters Interview)Loss of Driving Freedom (02:06:05 - 02:09:27)Travis and Eric lament the erosion of driving freedom due to regulations, high costs, and police presence. Eric sees an agenda to discourage car ownership, contrasting past affordability with modern constraints.Car Complexity and Debt Cycles (02:12:36 - 02:15:27)Eric and Travis critique modern cars' complexity and planned obsolescence, which trap consumers in debt. They view cars as shackles rather than symbols of freedom, reflecting broader societal control.Authoritarian Aesthetics (02:21:46 - 02:24:48)Eric links bland, uniform car designs to authoritarian ugliness (e.g., East Germany), while Travis mourns homogenized city skylines, both seeing a loss of beauty driven by regulatory and corporate forces.Follow the show on Kick and watch live every weekday 9:00am EST – 12:00pm EST https://kick.com/davidknightshow Money should have intrinsic value AND transactional privacy: Go to https://davidknight.gold/ for great deals on physical gold/silver For 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to https://trendsjournal.com/ and enter the code KNIGHT Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.comIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @DavidKnightShow@protonmail.comCash App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-real-david-knight-show--5282736/support.

The assassination of an Austrian Archduke sparks a chain reaction which would ignite a global conflict on a scale never seen before.If you'd like to read the complete "Literary Digest History of the World War," all ten volumes are available for free on the internet archive here.Support the show My latest novel, "Califia's Crusade," is now available at Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Kobo, Apple Books, Bookshop.org, and many other online platforms!

In a special Trench Chat we speak to Philipp Cross who has written a superb book about his great-great grandfather's war as an officer in the German Army. Alexander Pfeifer served from the very beginning until the very end of the conflict on three fronts, and we discover how Philipp researched and wrote the book, and what it tells us about the Great War.Buy The Book on Amazon: The Other Trench.The Other Trench website: The Other Trench.The Other Trench on Facebook: The Other Trench.Got a question about this episode or any others? Drop your question into the Old Front Line Discord Server or email the podcast.Send us a textSupport the show

Jesse Alexander is a public historian based in Vienna, Austria. He holds an MA in Modern History from the University of Vienna, where he focused on propaganda in World War One. Jesse has also researched, written, and hosted documentary films on 19th and 20th century conflict, including “The Great War” series.----------LINKS:https://x.com/jesse_historyhttps://www.jessealexanderhistory.net/https://www.youtube.com/realtimehistory ⁨@realtimehistory⁩  https://www.youtube.com/@TheGreatWar ⁨@TheGreatWar⁩  https://both-sides-of-the-wire.com/en-gbp/https://www.curiosityu.com/instructors/jesse-alexander/----------SUPPORT THE CHANNEL:https://www.buymeacoffee.com/siliconcurtainhttps://www.patreon.com/siliconcurtain----------TRUSTED CHARITIES ON THE GROUND:Save Ukrainehttps://www.saveukraineua.org/Superhumans - Hospital for war traumashttps://superhumans.com/en/UNBROKEN - Treatment. Prosthesis. Rehabilitation for Ukrainians in Ukrainehttps://unbroken.org.ua/Come Back Alivehttps://savelife.in.ua/en/Chefs For Ukraine - World Central Kitchenhttps://wck.org/relief/activation-chefs-for-ukraineUNITED24 - An initiative of President Zelenskyyhttps://u24.gov.ua/Serhiy Prytula Charity Foundationhttps://prytulafoundation.orgNGO “Herojam Slava”https://heroiamslava.org/kharpp - Reconstruction project supporting communities in Kharkiv and Przemyślhttps://kharpp.com/NOR DOG Animal Rescuehttps://www.nor-dog.org/home/----------PLATFORMS:Twitter: https://twitter.com/CurtainSiliconInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/siliconcurtain/Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/4thRZj6NO7y93zG11JMtqmLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/finkjonathan/Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/siliconcurtain----------Welcome to the Silicon Curtain podcast. Please like and subscribe if you like the content we produce. It will really help to increase the popularity of our content in YouTube's algorithm. Our material is now being made available on popular podcasting platforms as well, such as Spotify and Apple Podcasts.

Author Kim Kelly interviews Judy Nunn on her love for historical fiction which have encompassed stories across diverse eras from colonial periods, WW2, the Cold War to more modern times. Her most recent novel, Showtime, features a showdown between rival entrepreneurs in 1880s Melbourne with comedy, tragedy, passion and betrayal; economic depression, the Black Death and the horrors of World War One waiting in the wings. Imagining the Past is listed in the Top 25 Historical Fiction Podcasts.  

A brand new Under-18 hockey team in memory of our fallen soldiers in World War One is headed to France to journey the Trail of the Caribou AND play hockey games along the way. We heard all about this unique cultural and sporting experience from one of the organizers, and a player! (Krissy Holmes with Mike Holden and Cameron Health)

Daniel Reynaud - Author- Book " The Man the Anzacs Revered " This stirring biography of William "Fighting Mac" McKenzie, The Man the Anzacs Revered, is being re-launched to mark 110 years since the Gallipoli campaign of 1915. A work of careful historical research and a riveting read, Reynaud tells the story of the most famous chaplain in the Australian Imperial Force of World War One - a man once central to the Anzac narrative, now, sadly, almost forgotten. A chaplain who railed against booze, brothels, betting and bad language; William McKenzie was one of the most famous Anzacs. His popularity was said to rival Australia’s wartime prime minister and upon his return to Australia in 1918, he was greeted by a crowd of 7,000 people. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode we ask were there any 'Thankful Villages' in France where everyone came home, what was 'Camp Elisabeth' at Verdun as visited by Professor Richard Holmes in the 1990s, did Great War soldiers experience any spiritual or paranormal activity on the battlefields and how did the presence of British and Commonwealth soldiers impinge on life behind the lines in France.BBC Report: France's Thankful Village With No War Memorial.The Richard Holmes Episode mentioned in the podcast: Western Front Verdun 1916.Got a question about this episode or any others? Drop your question into the Old Front Line Discord Server or email the podcast.Send us a textSupport the show

A year ago, the great American historian Adam Hochschild came on KEEN ON AMERICA to discuss American Midnight, his best selling account of the crisis of American democracy after World War One. A year later, is history really repeating itself in today's crisis of American democracy? For Hochschild, there are certainly parallels between the current political situation in the US and post WW1 America. Describing how wartime hysteria and fear of communism led to unprecedented government repression, including mass imprisonment for political speech, vigilante violence, and press censorship. Hochschild notes eery similarities to today's Trump's administration. He expresses concern about today's threats to democratic institutions while suggesting the importance of understanding Trump supporters' grievances and finding ways to bridge political divides. Five Key Takeaways* The period of 1917-1921 in America saw extreme government repression, including imprisoning people for speech, vigilante violence, and widespread censorship—what Hochschild calls America's "Trumpiest" era before Trump.* American history shows recurring patterns of nativism, anti-immigrant sentiment, and scapegoating that politicians exploit during times of economic or social stress.* The current political climate shows concerning parallels to this earlier period, including intimidation of opposition, attacks on institutions, and the widespread acceptance of authoritarian tendencies.* Hochschild emphasizes the importance of understanding the grievances and suffering that lead people to support authoritarian figures rather than dismissing their concerns.* Despite current divisions, Hochschild believes reconciliation is possible and necessary, pointing to historical examples like President Harding pardoning Eugene Debs after Wilson imprisoned him. Full Transcript Andrew Keen: Hello, everybody. We recently celebrated our 2500th edition of Keen On. Some people suggest I'm mad. I think I probably am to do so many shows. Just over a little more than a year ago, we celebrated our 2000th show featuring one of America's most distinguished historians, Adam Hochschild. I'm thrilled that Adam is joining us again a year later. He's the author of "American Midnight, The Great War, A Violent Peace, and Democracy's Forgotten Crisis." This was his last book. He's the author of many other books. He is now working on a book on the Great Depression. He's joining us from his home in Berkeley, California. Adam, to borrow a famous phrase or remix a famous phrase, a year is a long time in American history.Adam Hochschild: That's true, Andrew. I think this past year, or actually this past 100 days or so has been a very long and very difficult time in American history that we all saw coming to some degree, but I don't think we realized it would be as extreme and as rapid as it has been.Andrew Keen: Your book, Adam, "American Midnight, A Great War of Violent Peace and Democracy's Forgotten Crisis," is perhaps the most prescient warning. When you researched that you were saying before we went live that your books usually take you between four and five years, so you couldn't really have planned for this, although I guess you began writing and researching American Midnight during the Trump 1.0 regime. Did you write it as a warning to something like is happening today in America?Adam Hochschild: Well, I did start writing it and did most of the work on it during Trump's first term in office. So I was very struck by the parallels. And they're in plain sight for everybody to see. There are various dark currents that run through this country of ours. Nativism, threats to deport troublemakers. Politicians stirring up violent feelings against immigrants, vigilante violence, all those things have been with us for a long time. I've always been fascinated by that period, 1917 to 21, when they surged to the surface in a very nasty way. That was the subject of the book. Naturally, I hoped we wouldn't have to go through anything like that again, but here we are definitely going through it again.Andrew Keen: You wrote a lovely piece earlier this month for the Washington Post. "America was at its Trumpiest a hundred years ago. Here's how to prevent the worst." What did you mean by Trumpiest, Adam? I'm not sure if you came up with that title, but I know you like the term. You begin the essay. What was the Trumpiest period in American life before Donald Trump?Adam Hochschild: Well, I didn't invent the word, but I certainly did use it in the piece. What I meant by that is that when you look at this period just over 100 years ago, 1917 to 1921, Woodrow Wilson's second term in office, two things happened in 1917 that kicked off a kind of hysteria in this country. One was that Wilson asked the American Congress to declare war on Germany, which it promptly did, and when a country enters a major war, especially a world war, it sets off a kind of hysteria. And then that was redoubled some months later when the country received news of the Russian Revolution, and many people in the establishment in America were afraid the Russian Revolution might come to the United States.So, a number of things happened. One was that there was a total hysteria against all things German. There were bonfires of German books all around the country. People would take German books out of libraries, schools, college and university libraries and burn them in the street. 19 such bonfires in Ohio alone. You can see pictures of it on the internet. There was hysteria about the German language. I heard about this from my father as I was growing up because his father was a Jewish immigrant from Germany. They lived in New York City. They spoke German around the family dinner table, but they were terrified of doing so on the street because you could get beaten up for that. Several states passed laws against speaking German in public or speaking German on the telephone. Eminent professors declared that German was a barbaric language. So there was that kind of hysteria.Then as soon as the United States declared war, Wilson pushed the Espionage Act through Congress, this draconian law, which essentially gave the government the right to lock up anybody who said something that was taken to be against the war. And they used this law in a devastating way. During those four years, roughly a thousand Americans spent a year or more in jail and a much larger number, shorter periods in jail solely for things that they wrote or said. These were people who were political prisoners sent to jail simply for something they wrote or said, the most famous of them was Eugene Debs, many times the socialist candidate for president. He'd gotten 6% of the popular vote in 1912 and in 1918. For giving an anti-war speech from a park bandstand in Ohio, he was sent to prison for 10 years. And he was still in prison two years after the war ended in November, 1920, when he pulled more than 900,000 votes for president from his jail cell in the federal penitentiary in Atlanta.So that was one phase of the repression, political prisoners. Another was vigilante violence. The government itself, the Department of Justice, chartered a vigilante group, something called the American Protective League, which went around roughing up people that it thought were evading the draft, beating up people at anti-war rallies, arresting people with citizens arrest whom they didn't have their proper draft papers on them, holding them for hours or sometimes for days until they could produce the right paperwork.Andrew Keen: I remember, Adam, you have a very graphic description of some of this violence in American Midnight. There was a story, was it a union leader?Adam Hochschild: Well, there is so much violence that happened during that time. I begin the book with a graphic description of vigilantes raiding an office of the Wobblies, the Industrial Workers of the World, in Tulsa, Oklahoma, taking a bunch of wobblies out into the prairie at night, stripping them, whipping them, flogging them fiercely, and then tarring and feathering them, and firing shotguns over their heads so they would run off into the Prairie at Night. And they did. Those guys were lucky because they survive. Other people were killed by this vigilante violence.And the final thing about that period which I would mention is the press censorship. The Espionage Act gave the Postmaster General the power to declare any publication in the United States unmailable. And for a newspaper or a magazine that was trying to reach a national audience, the only way you could do so was through the US mail because there was no internet then. No radio, no TV, no other way of getting your publication to somebody. And this put some 75 newspapers and magazines that the government didn't like out of business. It in addition censored three or four hundred specific issues of other publications as well.So that's why I feel this is all a very dark period of American life. Ironically, that press censorship operation, because it was run by the postmaster general, who by the way loved being chief censor, it was ran out of the building that was then the post office headquarters in Washington, which a hundred years later became the Trump International Hotel. And for $4,000 a night, you could stay in the Postmaster General's suite.Andrew Keen: You, Adam, the First World War is a subject you're very familiar with. In addition to American Midnight, you wrote "To End All Wars, a story of loyalty and rebellion, 1914 to 18," which was another very successful of your historical recreations. Many countries around the world experience this turbulence, the violence. Of course, we had fascism in the 20s in Europe. And later in the 30s as well. America has a long history of violence. You talk about the violence after the First World War or after the declaration. But I was just in Montgomery, Alabama, went to the lynching museum there, which is considerably troubling. I'm sure you've been there. You're not necessarily a comparative political scientist, Adam. How does America, in its paranoia during the war and its clampdown on press freedom, on its violence, on its attempt to create an authoritarian political system, how does it compare to other democracies? Is some of this stuff uniquely American or is it a similar development around the world?Adam Hochschild: You see similar pressures almost any time that a major country is involved in a major war. Wars are never good for civil liberties. The First World War, to stick with that period of comparison, was a time that saw strong anti-war movements in all of the warring countries, in Germany and Britain and Russia. There were people who understood at the time that this war was going to remake the world for the worse in every way, which indeed it did, and who refused to fight. There were 800 conscientious objectors jailed in Russia, and Russia did not have much freedom of expression to begin with. In Germany, many distinguished people on the left, like Rosa Luxemburg, were sent to jail for most of the war.Britain was an interesting case because I think they had a much longer established tradition of free speech than did the countries on the continent. It goes way back and it's a distinguished and wonderful tradition. They were also worried for the first two and a half, three years of the war before the United States entered, that if they crack down too hard on their anti-war movement, it would upset people in the United States, which they were desperate to draw into the war on their side. Nonetheless, there were 6,000 conscientious objectors who were sent to jail in England. There was intermittent censorship of anti-war publications, although some were able to publish some of the time. There were many distinguished Britons, such as Bertrand Russell, the philosopher who later won a Nobel Prize, sent to jails for six months for his opposition to the war. So some of this happened all over.But I think in the United States, especially with these vigilante groups, it took a more violent form because remember the country at that time was only a few decades away from these frontier wars with the Indians. And the westward expansion of the United States during the 19th century, the western expansion of white settlement was an enormously bloody business that was almost genocidal for the Native Americans. Many people had participated in that. Many people saw that violence as integral to what the country was. So there was a pretty well-established tradition of settling differences violently.Andrew Keen: I'm sure you're familiar with Stephen Hahn's book, "A Liberal America." He teaches at NYU, a book which in some ways is very similar to yours, but covers all of American history. Hahn was recently on the Ezra Klein show, talking like you, like we're talking today, Adam, about the very American roots of Trumpism. Hahn, it's an interesting book, traces much of this back to Jackson and the wars of the frontier against Indians. Do you share his thesis on that front? Are there strong similarities between Jackson, Wilson, and perhaps even Trump?Adam Hochschild: Well, I regret to say I'm not familiar with Hahn's book, but I certainly do feel that that legacy of constant war for most of the 19th century against the Native Americans ran very deep in this country. And we must never forget how appealing it is to young men to take part in war. Unfortunately, all through history, there have been people very tempted by this. And I think when you have wars of conquest, such as happen in the American West, against people who are more poorly armed, or colonial wars such as Europe fought in Africa and Asia against much more poorly-armed opponents, these are especially appealing to young people. And in both the United States and in the European colonization of Africa, which I know something about. For young men joining in these colonizing or conquering adventures, there was a chance not just to get martial glory, but to also get rich in the process.Andrew Keen: You're all too familiar with colonial history, Adam. Another of your books was about King Leopold's Congo and the brutality there. Where was the most coherent opposition morally and politically to what was happening? My sense in Trump's America is perhaps the most persuasive and moral critique comes from the old Republican Center from people like David Brooks, Peter Wayno has been on the show many times, Jonathan Rausch. Where were people like Teddy Roosevelt in this narrative? Were there critics from the right as well as from the left?Adam Hochschild: Good question. I first of all would give a shout out to those Republican centrists who've spoken out against Trump, the McCain Republicans. There are some good people there - Romney, of course as well. They've been very forceful. There wasn't really an equivalent to that, a direct equivalent to that in the Wilson era. Teddy Roosevelt whom you mentioned was a far more ferocious drum beater than Wilson himself and was pushing Wilson to declare war long before Wilson did. Roosevelt really believed that war was good for the soul. He desperately tried to get Wilson to appoint him to lead a volunteer force, came up with an elaborate plan for this would be a volunteer army staffed by descendants of both Union and Confederate generals and by French officers as well and homage to the Marquis de Lafayette. Wilson refused to allow Roosevelt to do this, and plus Roosevelt was, I think, 58 years old at the time. But all four of Roosevelt's sons enlisted and joined in the war, and one of them was killed. And his father was absolutely devastated by this.So there was not really that equivalent to the McCain Republicans who are resisting Trump, so to speak. In fact, what resistance there was in the U.S. came mostly from the left, and it was mostly ruthlessly silenced, all these people who went to jail. It was silenced also because this is another important part of what happened, which is different from today. When the federal government passed the Espionage Act that gave it these draconian powers, state governments, many of them passed copycat laws. In fact, a federal justice department agent actually helped draft the law in New Hampshire. Montana locked up people serving more than 60 years cumulatively of hard labor for opposing the war. California had 70 people in prison. Even my hometown of Berkeley, California passed a copycat law. So, this martial spirit really spread throughout the country at that time.Andrew Keen: So you've mentioned that Debs was the great critic and was imprisoned and got a considerable number of votes in the election. You're writing a book now about the Great Depression and FDR's involvement in it. FDR, of course, was a distant cousin of Teddy Roosevelt. At this point, he was an aspiring Democratic politician. Where was the critique within the mainstream Democratic party? Were people like FDR, who had a position in the Wilson administration, wasn't he naval secretary?Adam Hochschild: He was assistant secretary of the Navy. And he went to Europe during the war. For an aspiring politician, it's always very important to say I've been at the front. And so he went to Europe and certainly made no sign of resistance. And then in 1920, he was the democratic candidate for vice president. That ticket lost of course.Andrew Keen: And just to remind ourselves, this was before he became disabled through polio, is that correct?Adam Hochschild: That's right. That happened in the early 20s and it completely changed his life and I think quite deepened him as a person. He was a very ambitious social climbing young politician before then but I think he became something deeper. Also the political parties at the time were divided each party between right and left wings or war mongering and pacifist wings. And when the Congress voted on the war, there were six senators who voted against going to war and 50 members of the House of Representatives. And those senators and representatives came from both parties. We think of the Republican Party as being more conservative, but it had some staunch liberals in it. The most outspoken voice against the war in the Senate was Robert LaFollette of Wisconsin, who was a Republican.Andrew Keen: I know you write about La Follette in American Midnight, but couldn't one, Adam, couldn't won before the war and against domestic repression. You wrote an interesting piece recently for the New York Review of Books about the Scopes trial. William Jennings Bryan, of course, was involved in that. He was the defeated Democratic candidate, what in about three or four presidential elections in the past. In the early 20th century. What was Bryan's position on this? He had been against the war, is that correct? But I'm guessing he would have been quite critical of some of the domestic repression.Adam Hochschild: You know, I should know the answer to that, Andrew, but I don't. He certainly was against going to war. He had started out in Wilson's first term as Wilson's secretary of state and then resigned in protest against the military buildup and what he saw as a drift to war, and I give him great credit for that. I don't recall his speaking out against the repression after it began, once the US entered the war, but I could be wrong on that. It was not something that I researched. There were just so few voices speaking out. I think I would remember if he had been one of them.Andrew Keen: Adam, again, I'm thinking out loud here, so please correct me if this is a dumb question. What would it be fair to say that one of the things that distinguished the United States from the European powers during the First World War in this period it remained an incredibly insular provincial place barely involved in international politics with a population many of them were migrants themselves would come from Europe but nonetheless cut off from the world. And much of that accounted for the anti-immigrant, anti-foreign hysteria. That exists in many countries, but perhaps it was a little bit more pronounced in the America of the early 20th century, and perhaps in some ways in the early 21st century.Adam Hochschild: Well, we remain a pretty insular place in many ways. A few years ago, I remember seeing the statistic in the New York Times, I have not checked to see whether it's still the case, but I suspect it is that half the members of the United States Congress do not have passports. And we are more cut off from the world than people living in most of the countries of Europe, for example. And I think that does account for some of the tremendous feeling against immigrants and refugees. Although, of course, this is something that is common, not just in Europe, but in many countries all over the world. And I fear it's going to get all the stronger as climate change generates more and more refugees from the center of the earth going to places farther north or farther south where they can get away from parts of the world that have become almost unlivable because of climate change.Andrew Keen: I wonder Democratic Congress people perhaps aren't leaving the country because they fear they won't be let back in. What were the concrete consequences of all this? You write in your book about a young lawyer, J. Edgar Hoover, of course, who made his name in this period. He was very much involved in the Palmer Raids. He worked, I think his first job was for Palmer. How do you see this structurally? Of course, many historians, biographers of Hoover have seen this as the beginning of some sort of American security state. Is that over-reading it, exaggerating what happened in this period?Adam Hochschild: Well, security state may be too dignified a word for the hysteria that reigned in the country at that time. One of the things we've long had in the United States is a hysteria, paranoia directed at immigrants who are coming from what seems to be a new and threatening part of the world. In the mid-19th century, for example, we had the Know-Nothing Party, as it was called, who were violently opposed to Catholic immigrants coming from Ireland. Now, they were people of Anglo-Saxon descent, pretty much, who felt that these Irish Catholics were a tremendous threat to the America that they knew. There was much violence. There were people killed in riots against Catholic immigrants. There were Catholic merchants who had their stores burned and so on.Then it began to shift. The Irish sort of became acceptable, but by the end of the 19th century, beginning of the 20th century the immigrants coming from Europe were now coming primarily from southern and eastern Europe. In other words, Italians, Sicilians, Poles, and Jews. And they became the target of the anti-immigrant crusaders with much hysteria directed against them. It was further inflamed at that time by the Eugenics movement, which was something very strong, where people believed that there was a Nordic race that was somehow superior to everybody else, that the Mediterraneans were inferior people, and that the Africans were so far down the scale, barely worth talking about. And this culminated in 1924 with the passage of the Johnson-Reed Immigration Act that year, which basically slammed the door completely on immigrants coming from Asia and slowed to an absolute trickle those coming from Europe for the next 40 years or so.Andrew Keen: It wasn't until the mid-60s that immigration changed, which is often overlooked. Some people, even on the left, suggest that it was a mistake to radically reform the Immigration Act because we would have inevitably found ourselves back in this situation. What do you think about that, Adam?Adam Hochschild: Well, I think a country has the right to regulate to some degree its immigration, but there always will be immigration in this world. I mean, my ancestors all came from other countries. The Jewish side of my family, I'm half Jewish, were lucky to get out of Europe in plenty of time. Some relatives who stayed there were not lucky and perished in the Holocaust. So who am I to say that somebody fleeing a repressive regime in El Salvador or somewhere else doesn't have the right to come here? I think we should be pretty tolerant, especially if people fleeing countries where they really risk death for one reason or another. But there is always gonna be this strong anti-immigrant feeling because unscrupulous politicians like Donald Trump, and he has many predecessors in this country, can point to immigrants and blame them for the economic misfortunes that many Americans are experiencing for reasons that don't have anything to do with immigration.Andrew Keen: Fast forward Adam to today. You were involved in an interesting conversation on the Nation about the role of universities in the resistance. What do you make of this first hundred days, I was going to say hundred years that would be a Freudian error, a hundred days of the Trump regime, the role, of big law, big universities, newspapers, media outlets? In this emerging opposition, are you chilled or encouraged?Adam Hochschild: Well, I hope it's a hundred days and not a hundred years. I am moderately encouraged. I was certainly deeply disappointed at the outset to see all of those tech titans go to Washington, kiss the ring, contribute to Trump's inauguration festivities, be there in the front row. Very depressing spectacle, which kind of reminds one of how all the big German industrialists fell into line so quickly behind Hitler. And I'm particularly depressed to see the changes in the media, both the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post becoming much more tame when it came to endorsing.Andrew Keen: One of the reasons for that, Adam, of course, is that you're a long-time professor at the journalism school at UC Berkeley, so you've been on the front lines.Adam Hochschild: So I really care about a lively press that has free expression. And we also have a huge part of the media like Fox News and One American Network and other outlets that are just pouring forth a constant fire hose of lies and falsehood.Andrew Keen: And you're being kind of calling it a fire hose. I think we could come up with other terms for it. Anyway, a sewage pipe, but that's another issue.Adam Hochschild: But I'm encouraged when I see media organizations that take a stand. There are places like the New York Times, like CNN, like MSNBC, like the major TV networks, which you can read or watch and really find an honest picture of what's going on. And I think that's a tremendously important thing for a country to have. And that you look at the countries that Donald Trump admires, like Putin's Russia, for example, they don't have this. So I value that. I want to keep it. I think that's tremendously important.I was sorry, of course, that so many of those big law firms immediately cave to these ridiculous and unprecedented demands that he made, contributing pro bono work to his causes in return for not getting banned from government buildings. Nothing like that has happened in American history before, and the people in those firms that made those decisions should really be ashamed of themselves. I was glad to see Harvard University, which happens to be my alma mater, be defiant after caving in a little bit on a couple of issues. They finally put their foot down and said no. And I must say, feeling Harvard patriotism is a very rare emotion for me. But this is the first time in 50 years that I've felt some of it.Andrew Keen: You may even give a donation, Adam.Adam Hochschild: And I hope other universities are going to follow its lead, and it looks like they will. But this is pretty unprecedented, a president coming after universities with this determined of ferocity. And he's going after nonprofit organizations as well. There will be many fights there as well, I'm sure we're just waiting to hear about the next wave of attacks which will be on places like the Ford Foundation and the Carnegie Corporation and other big nonprofits. So hold on and wait for that and I hope they are as defiant as possible too.Andrew Keen: It's a little bit jarring to hear a wise historian like yourself use the word unprecedented. Is there much else of this given that we're talking historically and the similarities with the period after the first world war, is there anything else unprecedented about Trumpism?Adam Hochschild: I think in a way, we have often had, or not often, but certainly sometimes had presidents in this country who wanted to assume almost dictatorial powers. Richard Nixon certainly is the most recent case before Trump. And he was eventually stopped and forced to leave office. Had that not happened, I think he would have very happily turned himself into a dictator. So we know that there are temptations that come with the desire for absolute power everywhere. But Trump has gotten farther along on this process and has shown less willingness to do things like abide by court orders. The way that he puts pressure on Republican members of Congress.To me, one of the most startling, disappointing, remarkable, and shocking things about these first hundred days is how very few Republican members to the House or Senate have dared to defy Trump on anything. At most, these ridiculous set of appointees that he muscled through the Senate. At most, they got three Republican votes against them. They couldn't muster the fourth necessary vote. And in the House, only one or two Republicans have voted against Trump on anything. And of course, he has threatened to have Elon Musk fund primaries against any member of Congress who does defy him. And I can't help but think that these folks must also be afraid of physical violence because Trump has let all the January 6th people out of jail and the way vigilantes like that operate is they first go after the traitors on their own side then they come for the rest of us just as in the first real burst of violence in Hitler's Germany was the night of the long knives against another faction of the Nazi Party. Then they started coming for the Jews.Andrew Keen: Finally, Adam, your wife, Arlie, is another very distinguished writer.Adam Hochschild: I've got a better picture of her than that one though.Andrew Keen: Well, I got some very nice photos. This one is perhaps a little, well she's thinking Adam. Everyone knows Arlie from her hugely successful work, "Strangers in their Own Land." She has a new book out, "Stolen Pride, Lost Shame and the Rise of the Right." I don't want to put words into Arlie's mouth and she certainly wouldn't let me do that, Adam, but would it be fair to say that her reading, certainly of recent American history, is trying to bring people back together. She talks about the lessons she learned from her therapist brother. And in some ways, I see her as a kind of marriage counselor in America. Given what's happening today in America with Trump, is this still an opportunity? This thing is going to end and it will end in some ways rather badly and perhaps bloodily one way or the other. But is this still a way to bring people, to bring Americans back together? Can America be reunited? What can we learn from American Midnight? I mean, one of the more encouraging stories I remember, and please correct me if I'm wrong. Wasn't it Coolidge or Harding who invited Debs when he left prison to the White House? So American history might be in some ways violent, but it's also made up of chapters of forgiveness.Adam Hochschild: That's true. I mean, that Debs-Harding example is a wonderful one. Here is Debs sent to prison by Woodrow Wilson for a 10-year term. And Debs, by the way, had been in jail before for his leadership of a railway strike when he was a railway workers union organizer. Labor organizing was a very dangerous profession in those days. But Debs was a fairly gentle man, deeply committed to nonviolence. About a year into, a little less than a year into his term, Warren Harding, Woodrow Wilson's successor, pardoned Debs, let him out of prison, invited him to visit the White House on his way home. And they had a half hour's chat. And when he left the building, Debs told reporters, "I've run for the White house five times, but this is the first time I've actually gotten here." Harding privately told a friend. This was revealed only after his death, that he said, "Debs was right about that war. We never should have gotten involved in it."So yeah, there can be reconciliation. There can be talk across these great differences that we have, and I think there are a number of organizations that are working on that specific project, getting people—Andrew Keen: We've done many of those shows. I'm sure you're familiar with the organization Braver Angels, which seems to be a very good group.Adam Hochschild: So I think it can be done. I really think it could be done and it has to be done and it's important for those of us who are deeply worried about Trump, as you and I are, to understand the grievances and the losses and the suffering that has made Trump's backers feel that here is somebody who can get them out of the pickle that they're in. We have to understand that, and the Democratic Party has to come up with promising alternatives for them, which it really has not done. It didn't really offer one in this last election. And the party itself is in complete disarray right now, I fear.Andrew Keen: I think perhaps Arlie should run for president. She would certainly do a better job than Kamala Harris in explaining it. And of course they're both from Berkeley. Finally, Adam, you're very familiar with the history of Africa, Southern Africa, your family I think was originally from there. Might we need after all this, when hopefully the smoke clears, might we need a Mandela style truth and reconciliation committee to make sense of what's happening?Adam Hochschild: My family's actually not from there, but they were in business there.Andrew Keen: Right, they were in the mining business, weren't they?Adam Hochschild: That's right. Truth and Reconciliation Committee. Well, I don't think it would be on quite the same model as South Africa's. But I certainly think we need to find some way of talking across the differences that we have. Coming from the left side of that divide I just feel all too often when I'm talking to people who feel as I do about the world that there is a kind of contempt or disinterest in Trump's backers. These are people that I want to understand, that we need to understand. We need to understand them in order to hear what their real grievances are and to develop alternative policies that are going to give them a real alternative to vote for. Unless we can do that, we're going to have Trump and his like for a long time, I fear.Andrew Keen: Wise words, Adam. I hope in the next 500 episodes of this show, things will improve. We'll get you back on the show, keep doing your important work, and I'm very excited to learn more about your new project, which we'll come to in the next few months or certainly years. Thank you so much.Adam Hochschild: OK, thank you, Andrew. Good being with you. This is a public episode. 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Adelaide poet Leon Gellert's poem the Night Attack remembers a brutal assault on the ANZACs at Gallipoli 

The Assyrian Australian Association will proudly participate in an Anzac Day commemorative service at Canley Heights RSL on Friday, 25 April 2025. Speaking with SBS Assyrian, the association's vice-president, Ashour Nona, emphasised the profound importance of Anzac Day, describing it as a sacred occasion for all communities to unite in remembrance of the soldiers who made the ultimate sacrifice during World War One. Nona also paid tribute to the Assyrian soldiers who served alongside British and French forces, as well as the Assyrian Levies — a British-backed military unit established in the aftermath of the war — to safeguard stability and maintain internal security in British-occupied Mesopotamia.

In this episode we travel to the last major battlefield of the Great War on the Western Front - the Sambre Canal. Here we follow the story of the infantry and the engineers who attacked the Canal on 4th November 1918, including the 2nd Battalion Royal Sussex Regiment. We also see what remains of the battlefield today.The interview with Josh Grover MM is on the IWM website here: Josh Grover MM interview.Recommended Book: Decisive Victory by Derek Clayton.Thread on the Great War Forum: Royal Sussex Regiment at Lock No 1.Got a question about this episode or any others? Drop your question into the Old Front Line Discord Server or email the podcast.Send us a textSupport the show

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This week C.J. and Kent talk about the Army Corps' plans for Line 5, Brett Favre's political designs, and DOGE's impact on Americorps. For the main topic they continue to discuss Harry Houdini, this time focusing on his aviation pioneering, escape from a dead “sea monster”, and his role in training American soldiers during World War One.

Our guest this time is a prolific author, Kim Lengling. Kim is prolific as she has been the lead author on six book anthologies. I cannot say that she came by writing honestly. She grew up in a small Northern Pennsylvania town. After graduating from high school instead of going on to college Kim joined the military with great thoughts and ideas of leaving her small town upbringing and seeing the world. As she describes it, she did leave the small town world, but she only had military duty state side. After four years of service she left the military life and moved back to a “small town” in Pennsylvania.   Over time she began and pursued a career in sales and marketing. Along the way she married and had a daughter. She also took a keen interest in helping veterans and veteran organizations.   I asked Kim how she began her writing career. She will tell the story about how she was asked to give a speech to some 800 veterans. The story about her talk is remarkable and the unexpected turn her life made after her speech is worth hearing directly from Kim. Bottom line is that Kim was convinced to begin writing articles. Since 2020 she added writing and self publishing books to her repertoire of accomplishments.   As it turns out, Kim and I both experienced unexpected life changes due to public speaking. Both of us chose to take full advantage of the opportunities that came our way and we both are the better for it. I very much enjoyed my conversation with Kim and I hope you will as well.       About the Guest:   As a multi-published author, Kim shares her love of nature and animals, her life with PTSD, and her mission to toss out Nuggets of Hope through her writing and podcast. Kim is the lead author and coordinator of six anthologies: The When Grace Found Me Series (three books), When Hope Found Me, Paw Prints on the Couch, and Paw Prints on the Kitchen Floor. Her newest book, Nuggets of Hope, was released on November 15, 2024. In addition to writing, she hosts the podcast Let Fear Bounce, which spotlights people who have faced and overcome personal fear(s) to make a difference in their slice of the world through writing, coaching, film production, philanthropy, teaching, founding non-profits, public speaking, or simply being an amazing human being. You can regularly find Kim drinking coffee, reading, and talking with the critters in the woods while taking long walks with her dog, Dexter. Visit her website, www.kimlenglingauthor.com, to keep up with everything happening in her realm.   Ways to connect Kim:     Website:                                www.kimlenglingauthor.com   Amazon:                               https://www.amazon.com/author/kimlengling   Let Fear Bounce                 @Letfearbounce Apple:                                   https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/let-fear-bounce/id1541906455   Facebook:                            https://www.facebook.com/letfearbouncepodcast   LinkedIn:                              https://www.linkedin.com/in/kimberlylengling/   Instagram:                            https://www.instagram.com/lenglingauthor/   Twitter:                                  https://www.tiktok.com/@klengling?lang=en   TikTok:                                 ** https://www.tiktok.com/@klengling?lang=en   About the Host:   Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog.   Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children's Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association's 2012 Hero Dog Awards.   https://michaelhingson.com https://www.facebook.com/michael.hingson.author.speaker/ https://twitter.com/mhingson https://www.youtube.com/user/mhingson https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhingson/   accessiBe Links https://accessibe.com/ https://www.youtube.com/c/accessiBe https://www.linkedin.com/company/accessibe/mycompany/   https://www.facebook.com/accessibe/       Thanks for listening!   Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it using the social media buttons on this page. Do you have some feedback or questions about this episode? Leave a comment in the section below!   Subscribe to the podcast   If you would like to get automatic updates of new podcast episodes, you can subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts or Stitcher. You can subscribe in your favorite podcast app. You can also support our podcast through our tip jar https://tips.pinecast.com/jar/unstoppable-mindset .   Leave us an Apple Podcasts review   Ratings and reviews from our listeners are extremely valuable to us and greatly appreciated. They help our podcast rank higher on Apple Podcasts, which exposes our show to more awesome listeners like you. If you have a minute, please leave an honest review on Apple Podcasts.       Transcription Notes:   Michael Hingson ** 00:00 Access Cast and accessiBe Initiative presents Unstoppable Mindset. The podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Hi, I'm Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us.   Michael Hingson ** 01:20 Well, hi everyone, and welcome to another edition of unstoppable mindset. And today is kind of a fun one, because I get to talk to another author. One of the things that I participate in and have done for a little while are book fairs, including virtual book fairs, and our guest today, Kim Lengling and I, lengling and I were both on a virtual book fair just a couple of weeks ago talking about our books and this and that and all the other stuff. And I made it really clear that I'm always looking for a good podcast guests, and it just seemed like the right thing to do. And of course, then Kim said, well, not unless you're going to be on my podcast too. So we are going to reciprocate next week. So I actually had a a message, an email yesterday from someone who wanted me to come on their podcast to talk about disabilities. And then they, before I responded, they sent a second letter saying, You do understand, we don't pay for podcast guests or anything like that, which I never expected to to have to to deal with anyway. But I wrote back, and I said, Well, I'm sorry, I do charge. And the charges that you have to be on if you want me on your podcast, then you gotta be on my podcast too. So it's fun to tease, but anyway, Kim, welcome to unstoppable mindset. After all that.   Kim Lengling ** 02:44 Well, thank you. Thanks for having man, I think it's going to be fun doing a podcast swap. Oh   Michael Hingson ** 02:49 yeah, it's a lot of fun to do that, and it's and it's kind of neat, and we get to know each other better and all that. And next year, when we have the book fair, we can, we can always team up on other people, because we'll know each other better.   Kim Lengling ** 03:01 That's right. That is right. And I those book fairs. They're fun. I enjoy doing those. They are and   Michael Hingson ** 03:08 I think the video of it is now out, so it's pretty cool that it is there and is available so well, I want to again. Thank you for coming on and chatting. It's always fun. And as I explained, our podcasts, our conversation, so let's converse and go from there. I'd love to start by learning kind of, maybe, about the early Kim growing up and all that stuff. Early Kim, the early Kim a long time ago, and I guess, long, long, far away.   03:43 You know, like I get that song stuck in my head.   03:47 Oh, yeah,   Kim Lengling ** 03:50 okay, well, I grew up in a small country town, and I think my graduating class had 72 people total, and it was just, you know, I'm glad I grew up where I did and how I did in the country. I grew up playing outside, and I still play outside every day, 50 some years later. But yet, growing up in a small town, everybody knows each other, which is wonderful, and everybody knows each other, which can be kind of crappy, too, sometimes.   Michael Hingson ** 04:23 Well, there's the other song, everybody knows your name. Oh yeah. From cheers,   04:29 yeah. We're just going to keep on breaking.   Michael Hingson ** 04:33 We're doing great.   Kim Lengling ** 04:37 But yeah, I grew up in a small town, and I I'm very appreciative of the small town, I guess I don't know morals and ethics that I learned growing up, and I've tried very hard when raising my own daughter, who is now married and has her own daughter, I tried and worked hard to instill that those same type of values. Within her. And I think I did a pretty good job. But I did, I did. I liked how I grew up, and then I left my small town right after graduation and went into the military, and thinking, you know, oh yeah, I'm gonna go to this small town and I'm gonna see the world by Gully. And it's, you know, it's, it's a, it's an eye opener. I because I didn't go to college, so, you know, I don't know that. I don't have that experience. I went into the military, and that's an eye opener. It's just, wham, you are no longer small town camp. Yeah, you are now. You are now a spoke in the wheel, and we and you don't even have a name, and you're going to be rebuilt into something different. And I am truly thankful, actually, for my military experience. I feel everybody should have to be in it for at least 12 months. It teaches you so much about discipline, self awareness, leadership skills that we can all use as we grow and you know, yeah, that's kind of my younger self in a small nutshell.   Michael Hingson ** 06:10 How long were you in the military? Four years. Okay, now, the small town you grew up in was that in Pennsylvania? Yes. Okay, so, yep,   Kim Lengling ** 06:21 grew up surrounded by farm fields and cows and deer and everything else, all the critters and all that. I just, I love it, and I still live in the same type of area not far from my small town that I grew up in, and still get to enjoy all of the nature, you know, all of the critters that come through. And just I had a black bear come through the other day. Michael, ooh, yeah.   Michael Hingson ** 06:41 And did you have a good conversation with the bear? No,   Kim Lengling ** 06:45 I didn't chat. Didn't want to do that, huh? No, it's I've seen that. I've seen I've lived where I'm at now for, gosh, just about just shy of 30 years, and I've seen bear tracks out there when I'm walking with my dog, but I've never actually come face to face with the actual bear. It was caught on a trail cam, and my neighbors sent it to me and said, Hey, this guy's going through your backyard at 430 this morning. And I'm like, Oh, boy.   Michael Hingson ** 07:16 I don't know whether you can ever make friends with a bear or not.   Kim Lengling ** 07:19 I you know, I'm not going to try. I don't think, yeah, they're kind   Michael Hingson ** 07:24 of big. They are kind of big. I suppose, if they make the initial Overture and they're friendly about it, that's one thing, but probably going the other way is a little bit more risky. Yeah,   Kim Lengling ** 07:36 yeah. I, you know, I would probably just not want to try. Yeah, just, you know, they're 700 and up pounds. That's, uh, that's, They're big. They're   Michael Hingson ** 07:46 big. Well, and then there's always a moose, which gets even bigger.   Kim Lengling ** 07:50 And see, we don't have moose where I'm at, yeah, yeah. And I've never seen one of those in person either. But I always thought, you know, well, you see online and stuff, just how big they are, they're so tall, yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 08:04 and they're probably not the most friendly creatures. Oh,   Kim Lengling ** 08:07 they're not see, I don't know anything about moose, because we don't have them in my neck of the woods.   Michael Hingson ** 08:13 Yeah, I think it'd be fun to try to meet one, but I don't know whether that would be a good idea or not, so I don't either. If somebody else tells me that they have a moose that I could meet, I would believe them. But until that happens, I'm not going to worry   Kim Lengling ** 08:28 about it. Yeah, yeah, not something to worry about.   Michael Hingson ** 08:31 I don't Same, same with a bear. Now, on the other hand, I know your dog's name is Dexter, yeah, and I wonder what Dexter would think of a moose or a bear close up.   Kim Lengling ** 08:44 You know, I'm not sure, because he does his he's a he's pretty big dog. He's not huge, but he's a bigger dog. And there are certain times when we're out in the evening because it's pitch black. I mean, I'm out in the country. There's no lights out here, so it's pitch black out there. So I have a flashlight, and he has a collar on that lights up. And there are times when he will stop, and I call it his big boy stance, because he stops and his whole body just stiffens up, and he's staring at the woods. Now he can see stuff I can't Yeah, yeah, you know. And so I sit there, and I flash the flashlight back through there, because I carry a very powerful flashlight with me, so it lights up everything. And then when I see two yellow eyes staring at me from the woods, I'm never really sure what it might be. And I watch what Dexter's doing, yeah, and there are times where he where he will put himself in front of me, and then there's times where he comes and he will bump my leg with his head, and then turns and starts running back to the house, like, stay out here. Yeah, yeah. So it's been interesting to watch how he how he I follow his lead. When it's dark outside and we're outside, I. Follow   Michael Hingson ** 10:00 his lead. Smart move. What kind of dog is Dexter?   Kim Lengling ** 10:03 He is a Belgian Malwa Mastiff mix. Oh, so he's a big one, kinda, yeah, yeah, not huge. He's about 80 pounds, but he's a he's a good sized dog,   Michael Hingson ** 10:13 bigger than my black lab guide dog, Alamo, who's about 63 pounds.   Kim Lengling ** 10:18 Oh, okay. Labs are wonderful. Labs are awesome. But   Michael Hingson ** 10:22 again, it's all about trust. And I would trust Alamo's instincts any day and do and of course, yes, yeah, you know, but, but it isn't just the the normal guiding, but just in general, his behavior. I observe it pretty closely, and I think it's an important thing to do, because, as you said, they tend to see a whole lot of things that we don't necessarily see.   Kim Lengling ** 10:47 Right, right? No, yeah, even with my other dog, digger, prior to Dexter, digger was about 105 pounds. He was a pretty big dog, real tall and lean and long. He was very protective of me. Oh, and he would always have to be touching me or in front of me, and I took him everywhere with me. We were always out in public, and he was always if someone would approach, he would let them know I would follow his lead. He would never growl, but he would show his teeth like a scary smile, yeah. And I'd be like, Okay, we're not going any further. I'm not going to interact with this person. This person. And then other times he would just come and kind of nudge me, and his tail would start wagging. I'm like, Okay, this person's probably okay. Then it's very you know, dogs or animals period, are just amazing in their instincts. Well,   Michael Hingson ** 11:34 I've been pretty blessed that Alamo has not yet met a stranger. But also we haven't really encountered anyone that would be a really mean, nasty person, and I have seen some dogs who do sense that very well. My first guide dog was a golden retriever. He was 64 pounds, and when we were in college, and I wrote about it in my my new book, live like a guide dog in in college. On our first year we were at UC Irvine. It was a very open, somewhat rural campus, just in terms of what was around us in Orange County, which is not so rural anymore, but people would bring their dogs to campus, and they would just let the dogs roam while they went to class, and then they'd find them at the end and a bunch of dogs, just all congealed, if you will, into a pack. And they would, they would go around together. And one day, they decided that they were going to come after Squire and me. They were behind us, and as they got closer, they were growling, and Squire was doing his job of guiding, but all of a sudden he jerked, and actually jerked the harness out of my hand. I still held his leash, but he he completely jerked away, and literally, as it was described, because somebody else was watching it, he jerked, leaped up, turned around, and went down on all fours, facing these dogs, and started growling, and it just completely caught them off guard, and they just slunked away. But I've never seen a dog do that before, and I haven't seen a dog do that since, and Squire, of all dogs, a golden retriever, for heaven's sakes,   Kim Lengling ** 13:22 right? Yeah, they're usually just friendly, friendly, friendly, yeah, but   Michael Hingson ** 13:25 he, he knew what he was doing, and yeah, and he, he dealt with them.   Kim Lengling ** 13:32 That's awesome. Well, so I just love dogs.   Michael Hingson ** 13:35 Oh, yeah. Well, and we, and we have a cat here. So my wife passed away two years ago. So it's me, dog and cat,   13:43 and quite the trio you have going on.   Michael Hingson ** 13:46 Then we all, we all communicate very well, and they all, and they like each other. And I would not have it any other way. I would not want a guide dog that was in any way antagonistic toward cats. Now, now that wouldn't work well. Now Alamo doesn't Chase Stitch. Stitch has claws. I think Alamo is smart enough that he understands that, but, but they do rub noses and they play and they talk. So it works out all right, and every so often, stitch will steal Alamo's bed, and poor Alamo doesn't know what to do with himself, because he can't lay on his bed because the cat's there and he won't try to make her move. I think a couple times they both have been on the bed, but mostly not,   Kim Lengling ** 14:28 yeah, yeah. My my dog. Unfortunately, he's like, a single animal type dog, you know, it can only be him and and the neighbors cats. Sometimes, if they end up in my yard, he gets them up in a tree. So he's he's got a he's got a very big prey drive for anything smaller than him. We   Michael Hingson ** 14:53 had a we had a dachshund. Once it was a miniature dachshund. Oh, and he treated cat. One day before my brother and I went off to high school for the day, and this cat was up in the tree. We came home and Pee Wee was still barking at this cat up in the tree. The cat was up in the tree sound asleep, not worried about anything. This dog's dog didn't know when to shut up anyway. It was kind of funny.   Kim Lengling ** 15:25 Well, dogs are amazing. My dog, when he is he's treed raccoons, all kinds of stuff, anything smaller than him, he takes off after he has he does have quite the prey drive. And I think that's the Belgian mountain wall coming out in him. Yeah, you know, pretty sure that's that part. And I've not been able to get him to stop that. But I'm in the country and, you know, okay, it is, it is what it is. It is what it is.   Michael Hingson ** 15:53 Well, so did you see much of the world when you were in the military?   Kim Lengling ** 15:56 I was actually all stateside, interestingly enough, yeah. Well, you saw the country then I did. I saw some of the country. So, yeah, I'm it's, it's an experience that I'm glad that I I had. What did you do? I did Morse code, actually. Okay, yeah. And it's funny, years ago I ran into, because this is quite some time ago, quite some time ago, and it was years ago I ran into a couple of younger Navy guys at a gas station. They were filling up their car, and I, of course, went up and thanked them for their service. And I had just come from a funeral, so I was in a military funeral, and I was part of the honor guard at that time, so I was in my honor guard uniform, and they're like, well, thank you for your service. What branch were you? And we're just chit chatting, you know, like folks do. And they said, Well, what did you do? What was your MOS and I told them, and they looked at each other, and their cheeks got red, and I said, What's What's so funny? And they said, Oh, ma'am, we don't use Morse code anymore. And I went, Oh, well, my goodness, when did they stop using it? And the one, the one kid, and they were kids, they were like, probably 18 to me. Anyway, they were at the time, 1819, years old. And the one looked at the other, and they said, Well, wait a minute. No, no, we did use it that one time. I remember there in the Navy, and they were on deployment out in the ocean, sea, wherever. And they said, no, no, there. Remember that one time that that old guy, he did use Morse code. He had, we had to use it because some part of the electrical went out. And I and they were, I looked at them and I went, when you say old guy, what? What do you mean by that? And their faces turned so red. And the one kid, he goes, Oh Ma'am, he must have been at least, oh geez, 37 and at that time I was like, 41 I just started laughing. And I said, well, he wasn't really all that old, you guys, but So yeah, that was a and so   Michael Hingson ** 18:02 what do they use now that they don't use Morse code? I honestly   Kim Lengling ** 18:05 don't know. I think everything is more electronic. And yeah, I mean, yeah, it's been so long since I've been it's been a while. It's been, it's been a decade or few.   Michael Hingson ** 18:15 Well, I learned Morse code to get my ham radio license, and I still remember it and and it, and it still is a means of communications that can sometimes break through when voice and other things don't come through. Absolutely,   Kim Lengling ** 18:29 absolutely no, yeah, and I don't remember a lot of it, probably just because I was so sick of hearing it. I don't, I actually don't remember a lot of it, but if needed, I could, oh yeah, touch up on it.   Michael Hingson ** 18:47 So how fast were you able to receive code? Um,   Kim Lengling ** 18:51 we had to, in order. We had to pass a certain what was it? 2222 words a minute. Okay, I think, I think we had to get 20 I think it was 22 in training when we had, when we were in tech school in order to progress. I think it was 22 Yeah, yeah. And that's fast for people who don't realize when all you're listening to is, did audit, yep. I mean and going 22 words a minute. It's it just sounds like   Michael Hingson ** 19:18 I went a friend of mine, who was also a ham operator, and I were talking one day, and he was telling me about this kid that he had met on the air, and they were both doing code, and he decided that since this kid was a kid, that he would play a trick on him. And he slowly started speeding up how fast he was sending the code, and I don't know how fast he got to and then the kid said, Oh, you want to play that game. And he just started going at like, about 60 or 65 words a minute, which means he was probably using an electronic key or a bug, but I don't   19:56 know, right? Because how would you do that with your fingers? Really? It would   Michael Hingson ** 19:59 be hard. But anyway, this kid was doing it, and the guy went, Okay, you got me.   Kim Lengling ** 20:07 So, yeah, amazing. I mean, it truly is amazing. It's, it's amazing, yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 20:13 and, and it's, it's still a very relevant thing to to have in the arsenal if you need it ever. Oh, I agree. I agree. Yeah. So, so what did you do when you came back from being in the military for four years?   Kim Lengling ** 20:27 I came back to my small hometown and didn't do much for a bit. I was kind of a weird it was, it was, wasn't so easy transitioning home from to, you know, being in the military, to coming back to the hometown, because nothing felt right anymore, right? Well, you were in a different world, right? And I was a different person, yeah. And so I didn't stick. I didn't stay there very long. I got a job, you know, got a job, and then it was couple years later, I ended up marrying my high school sweetheart, and we, you know, got married, had got a little place, little house in a different town, and had my daughter. And, you know, did that became a wife and mom and, you know, did the working and being a wife and a mom and all of that stuff? So,   Michael Hingson ** 21:27 yeah, so do you still do that?   Kim Lengling ** 21:31 No, I am divorced. My daughter is mid 30s and married and has her own daughter. So I'm I'm actually a brand new grandma. Oh, there you go. And I am just loving it. I'm loving every second of it, but you don't have the husband anymore. No, no, it's me and Dexter, and that's just fine. Yeah, it's just fine. And so well, and that it's I've, I have found out, you know, it's interesting when you're a wife, a mom, you work full time, and then your life completely changes, and you're an empty nester, completely empty nest, and it's just you and the dog. You have to find out who you are again, yeah, and it was very interesting for me, because I was like, oh my goodness, I forgot who Kim was. So it was an interesting journey to find that out and to find out, you know, what did I even like to do? Because I was always running here, running there, doing this, doing that, family, kids, stuff, you know, all of the things, doing all the things. And then I was, you know, now I had time to figure out, what do I like to do, geez, what did I like to do? You know? So it was interesting. Spent. It was interesting the first few years figuring out who I was again and what I liked to do and what makes me, you know, what fulfills me and and, you know, to reach a point where I'm thriving in that, you know, it was interesting.   Michael Hingson ** 23:02 And what did you decide that you like to do?   Kim Lengling ** 23:07 I like writing, and I love doing and I love doing my podcast and volunteering I volunteer for with my veteran post, been doing that for over 25 years now, helping veterans in need, those folks that might need a little bit of help here and there, and then also, it's a project support our troops, which is a monthly thing we've been doing every month for 24 years, sending care packages to those men and women who are deployed around the globe so, and it's all done by donations. So that's, that's a lot, it's a lot of my time, and a lot of where my heart is is helping those folks. So I've been able to really, you know, put a lot into that, which is very fulfilling.   Michael Hingson ** 23:56 What made you decide that you really liked writing?   Kim Lengling ** 24:00 You know, it was years ago. When was it? Oh, gosh, close to 20 years. Oh, my goodness, a long, long time ago. About almost 20 years ago, I was asked to give a speech at a local veteran event. And it was a large veteran event. There's about 800 people there. I had never spoken in public before, and I was asked to give a speech. And I my step grandfather, so my stepfather, his dad, was the last surviving World War One veteran in my area. Ooh, and he passed away in 1997 and I thought, you know, I'm gonna talk about him. So I spent quite a bit of time with my step dad, and we went through his dad's stuff that he had brought home, and I learned all kinds of stuff about him and his time in World War One, and he was, he was the last man of the last man's Club. Job, and that was formed in themes France on Armistice Day, and the mayor of this small village in France had a bottle of wine and came out to the boys of Company B, literally, they were the boys of Company B from my town, and gave them this bottle of wine in celebration, you know, of the signing of the armistice, and the guys all decided they weren't going to drink it. They were going to keep it. And as time went on, it would pass to the next comrade, and whoever was the last man standing would be the one that has that bottle of wine, and he would then open it toast his fallen comrades. So the the last man's club is what they called it. And my step grandfather was the last man of the last man's club, and he passed away at the age of 104 Wow. And so I shared his story and the story of the last man's club. That was my speech. And it was, it was about a 15 minute speech, and for someone who'd never spoken in public before, and you know this, 15 minutes is a long time, can be a long time to talk in front of a group of people, and there were television cameras there, and it was just, it was overwhelming. But I got up there the first two minutes, my voice was shaking because I was a little nervous, and then I just fell into the story, because it's just a beautiful story. And when I was done, it was, there was, and I'm there, was about 800 people there. It was total silence. I mean, you could hear a pin drop, and I thought, oh my goodness, I just blew it. But then there was one, one person started clapping, and then another. And then the place like this was an outdoor event, they interrupted. They just went crazy, and people were crying, and the local newspaper came up to me. The local newspaper editor came up to me and said, Would you consider writing an article, you know, about veterans for the for the paper? And I said, Oh, my goodness, I'm no writer. And he goes, Well, who wrote your speech? And I said, Well, I did. And he goes, well, then you're a writer. And that was the little spark that that lit something up in me. Somebody saw something in me that I had never even considered looking for in myself. And so that was the little spark that got me going so   Michael Hingson ** 27:34 you hadn't really contemplated, contemplated writing before then,   Kim Lengling ** 27:38 no, not at all. And and and never, really, it had never entered my mind. And I started doing these monthly articles, and I was interviewing veterans. And I'm very I'm very connected with my local veteran community, and being a veteran myself, the veterans were pretty comfortable talking to me, and I, you know, I spoke to numerous former prisoners of war. Most of, most of who I interviewed over the years were combat veterans. A lot of them were Vietnam vet combat veterans, and hearing their stories. And first off, it was very humbling that they would even share them with me, yeah, because a lot of them won't or don't want to, or can't, you know, can't, yeah. And so for 14 years, I did that each month, and there were, I started getting a following, you know, I, you know, I'd run into because they, they would post a picture with me and my article in the paper each month, and I'd run into people, and they'd be like, Oh my gosh, you just brought me to tears with that article. And I just so enjoy reading your monthly stuff. And that's when, you know, I just I didn't know what I was doing. And when I look back at some of those nights, I'm like, Oh my gosh, Kim, you were such an awful, awful writer. But as time went on, I could, I learned. And then I just started doing some stuff online, finding free courses, and, you know, doing what I could, teaching myself a lot of stuff about writing and just how to make it better. And so that's, that's kind of, I just kept, I rolled with it. I just kept rolling with it. And now that I, the last five years, I've had the opportunity to actually work from home full time now and put a lot more of my time into writing, and I'm still learning. We all learn something. We're still, you know, we're all learning, hopefully, we're all learning something. And so, yeah, hopefully so I can see how my my writing has changed, how my voice has changed, and I just hope, I just hope I'm better than I was yesterday. That's what I hope each day, I'm a little bit better of a writer than I was yesterday, because hopefully I learned something new.   Michael Hingson ** 29:48 And that's fair, we have somewhat similar starts in the whole process. So for me, of course, September 11 happened, and um. The media got the story and like, about a week and a half after September 11. I don't remember exactly what day it was. It must have been around the 20th or so of of September, but I got a call on the phone, and this guy said he was the pastor of a church, and he had heard about me, and asked if I would come and speak at a church service they were going to hold. And I said, Well, I guess tell me more about him. He said, Well, we want to hold a church service for all the people who were lost in the World Trade Center who were from New Jersey. I said, Okay, that seems like a would be a worthwhile thing to do. And so we agreed to do it. And then kind of the last thing I asked him before hanging up was, how many people are going to be at this service? And he said, Well, it's going to be an outdoor service, and there'll be something over 5000 people. Now it's not that I hadn't spoken in unusual situations before, because being in sales, you never know where you're going to be on any given day, from a board of directors of a Wall Street firm to IT people or whatever, but still 5000 people, and that's a lot. And when I got there, I also learned that Lisa beamer was there. Now Lisa's husband, Todd, was the guy on flight 93 who said, let's roll. Let's roll. Yeah. And Lisa was not an animal lover, but she and Roselle hit it off, and so she she really and Roselle was my guide dog in the World Trade Center. So they had a thing going, which was kind of cool, but the speech wasn't overly long. It was only supposed to be about six or seven minutes, and it was, and that is really what got me started down the road of doing public speaking. Then the next year, we were at an event where I met the publisher of the AKC Gazette, and George said, You should write a book. I said, I've never thought of writing a book, and it took eight years to get it done and get the right combination, including someone to collaborate with, because I wasn't really all that familiar with writing. But anyway, we wrote thunder dog, and it got published in 2011 became a New York Times bestseller. So that was pretty cool. But, you know, circumstances do offer us opportunities, and it's important to really take them when you can. And so we you and I have both done that in various ways, yeah,   Kim Lengling ** 32:35 and it's interesting when you look back to see how things unfold. Mm, hmm, you know, and you had mentioned that you were in sales, and that's my background, 25 years of sales and marketing. So it's and I've talked to I've talked Well, I'm sure you have too as well. Many, many authors, and a lot of them have some sort of sales or marketing in their background. Have you found that to be true as well? I   Michael Hingson ** 32:59 have, and especially today, you have to, because the publishers aren't doing nearly as much as they used to to promote books, and they want the authors to do a lot more. And I think that the publishers, some of the publishers, could do more than they're doing, but they because they rely on social media and so on. But there's a lot more to it than that. But unfortunately, that's not what they do. So, you know, you you cope with what you got. That's   Kim Lengling ** 33:26 right, that's right, you know. And I found that a lot of the the larger publishing houses, and even some of the mid sized ones, in order for them to even take you on, you have to have a certain number of followers, or whatever it is on your combined social media platforms, yeah, and so many authors don't, don't.   Michael Hingson ** 33:53 And you know, we're not   Kim Lengling ** 33:54 all out there being influencers, you know, yeah, but   Michael Hingson ** 33:57 you also have to make the commitment to promote, and so absolutely, so we do and it, and it's, it's part of what needs to be done. And I don't mind, and I understand the concept of an author has to be part of what promotes their book. They they shouldn't rely totally on the publisher, and that's fine, but I do think that publishers could do more than they do a lot of times to help today, that social media is the thing. Well, it's not the only thing, and you miss out on a lot, on a lot, by just dealing with social media,   34:34 right? That's where a good publicist comes in.   34:37 Yeah.   Kim Lengling ** 34:41 Yeah, yeah, that's, that's helpful, but no, yeah. And I, well, I enjoy doing the but it's so it's almost a full time job marketing. Just, it is, you know, it's, it's a lot of work. And, you know, I, I'm self published. I didn't go the, the traditional publishing route. I. And knowing, you know, regardless, I would still be doing the same amount of work that I'm doing if I went the traditional route, right? Because I'd still have to do a majority, or, if not, all, of my own promotion, which I don't mind. I enjoy doing that, because then I actually get to meet, yes, a lot of interesting people.   35:22 You know, people it   Kim Lengling ** 35:24 is, and the people that have been put in front of me, you know, like yourself, you know, we made a connection, and now I'm here a guest on your show, and you're going to be a guest on mine. I mean, how cool is that? So, you know, you get to meet people that might have nothing to do with your book. It's just, it's just cool to you know, humanity, to meet, to meet other good, decent people is a good thing.   Michael Hingson ** 35:49 It is by, by any standard, right? You primarily today write fiction. So what got you down the road of writing fiction or non actually, non fiction, non fiction, non fiction,   Kim Lengling ** 36:01 that it was. It was all of the interviewing that I did with the veterans, you know, keeping keep into the the personal stories. I really enjoyed that I I enjoy it, and being able to not only write the story, but pull that emotion from it too. And I found that at first it was somewhat intimidating, because I'm thinking, how can I, how can I get these in words on paper, where people are going to feel what I'm feeling right now listening to this gentleman, yeah, you know. And it just that that kind of fascinated me, and that's what made me want to keep on writing and learning how to do it better. And so I just stuck with it. So I, yeah, I've not written anything fiction   Michael Hingson ** 36:50 at all. One of the things that I I find is that what makes I think good, successful writers, l will deal with non fiction right now, but is to be yourself. So when you interviewing people, your personal self has to come through, not in in the in an opinion way, but just how you are able to portray the people who you're talking with. And interviewing it comes out so much better if you really can feel it, which is again, getting back to your, your being yourselves,   Kim Lengling ** 37:26 right? Yes, I think, yeah, being authentic, yeah, just, you know, I've had, I don't know if you've had folks on your show that I've had a few that I was the first podcast they were ever on, and they were quite nervous. And I said, Well, you know, before I even hit that record button, you know, I don't mind sitting here chit chatting for a bit, so, you know, you feel a little bit more at ease. And it just took without fail, my guests have said, you know, Kim, thank you for being such a welcoming host, and you made this fun. And, you know, there's no, because there's no pretense with me. You know, it's, it's, I'm come as I am. I'm not all, you know, I don't get all my hair is not done. I don't have a bunch of makeup on or anything like that. It's, you know, you can't. This is Kim. This is me. This is who I am every day. And, you know, hey, let's sit down and have a cup of coffee. That's that's how I try and, you know, get my guests at ease, you know. And I'm sure that you've had guests that have probably been kind of nervous, maybe it's their first time on a show or something. Yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 38:31 one of the things that I do, though, and I really have found that it works very well to do this, is before I have a guest on the actual podcast, I want to sit down with them and have a half hour conversation where we get to know each other. So I insist that anyone who wants to come on to unstoppable mindset has to spend some time with me ahead of time, and that way, when I find people who aren't familiar with podcasts, or, you know, they say, Well, I'd love to come on, but I don't know what to talk about. We can talk about it, and we can, we can get them to relax and recognize that they do have a story to tell, and what we want to do is to to hear their story, and they don't need to worry about being uptight, because there, there are no set rules that you have to do this or you fail. It's all about really enjoying what you do and just being willing to talk about it.   Kim Lengling ** 39:32 Yeah, and that's, that's an awesome idea. And I know a lot of podcast hosts do that. I have not I, and I don't know why. I've never really come up with a reason why I haven't had, you know, just that sit down chat 1520 minutes prior, you know, maybe a week before the show, or whatever. I've just, I've just not done that. I don't know. I we usually end up talking 10 to 15 minutes prior to me hitting record. Um, there's only, I really had one instance with one guest. And. Was a couple years ago where we did chit chat. And as we were chit chatting, it was that at that point I thought I should probably do pre screening, yeah, and I, I, we went through with the show, and I pre record everything, yeah, so I did cut it short, and I never published it. It was that was the one and only time that ever happened. This person never got back to me, never said, when's this going to be out? It was just such an uncomfortable chat. And I was thinking, wow, on paper, this person was a completely different person than when I'm actually talking, yeah, so, and it wasn't in line with anything of what we had discussed. So it was, it was, that was interesting. That's only in four years that's only happened one time, and that was one day when I thought I really should do pre screen.   Michael Hingson ** 40:59 Well, I've had, I've had two. One the we did the podcast, and this person just had no effect to their voice. And as much as I talked ahead of time about I want to hear your story and all that, he just couldn't tell a story. Oh, yeah. And so that one didn't get published, and then another one I did, and I thought it was a great podcast, but the person said, I absolutely do not want this published. I just decided that that I don't want to do it. And   Kim Lengling ** 41:35 I had one like that after we had recorded and everything, and I thought I too for and they it was like three days later, because I said, Well, it's going to be up and uploaded probably two to three weeks from now. It's like two or three days later. They said, You know, I've changed my mind. I don't want my story out there at all. Yeah, there was fear in theirs. There was fear involved. Yeah, there was, there was   Michael Hingson ** 41:55 clearly fear, um, with my person as well. Oh, yeah. And they got very, very nasty about it when I said, Look, it really is a good podcast. So, you know, I'm not going to, I don't want to have people and make people do things they don't want to do. I've had several people who have said, well, I want to hear the podcast before it goes out and and I'll say to that, no, it's a conversation, and I don't edit it. So the whole idea is that if there's any editing, it's just to deal with getting noise out of it and all that. But only that doesn't happen. But, you know, and people accept that, but again, it's fear. But the reality is that I believe everyone has a story to tell, and I believe that everyone, if they're willing to do it, should tell their story, because it will show other people that they're not any different, and we're all more unstoppable than we think we are. And that's the whole point of the podcast.   42:58 No, that's I agree. I agree 100%   Michael Hingson ** 43:02 Well, tell us. Tell me about some of the non fiction books that you've written. Tell me a little bit about what you've done and and so I just   Kim Lengling ** 43:08 had, I just had one released last week, actually called nuggets of hope. And that one has been in the works for a couple years, and it started with not me thinking about turning anything into a book. It was, it just started with the word hope. Showed up everywhere, everywhere, and I felt very strongly that I was supposed to be doing something with it. And I ended up getting polished stones with the word hope engraved on them, and carrying those with me. And I thought, Okay, I think I'm supposed to be giving nuggets of hope to people and but I wasn't sure how to do that, but I had this very strong nudge that I was meant to be doing this. And so that began a couple years ago. And I would just approach people who I would see, you know, I'm out running errands, doing my thing, and I would just someone would catch my eye, and I would feel very strongly nudged. Be like that person needs a nugget of hope. And I would just approach and say, Excuse me, ma'am, or sir, I would like to give you a nugget of hope today, and without fail, and I've been doing this for a couple years, so I've been handing out quite a few my little stones. And without fail, every single person I've approached has has put their hand out to accept that, and I get a hope and from a total stranger just coming up to them. You know, it's, it's amazing. And the reactions that I've had have just been, you know, there's been tears, there's been laughter, nervous laughter. There's been funny looks like, Who are you crazy woman approaching me? Um, I've had people hug me and I had one older gentleman yell at me in anger and swear at me in Walmart, and, you know, ask me very loudly, what the hell did he have to hope for? And but he took the nugget of hope and put it in his pocket. Yeah, and I knew in that moment with that, that particular gentleman had nothing to do with me and he was in his probably had to have been in his late 80s. So I don't know what was gone in his life, but I do firmly believe, even to this day, that I was meant to be in front of him at that moment in time and give him a nugget of hope, a nugget of hope. Yeah, I firmly believe that. And I don't know, you know, when our interaction was done, he was still an angry man, and that's okay, because I didn't let it land on me, because it wasn't supposed to. It wasn't directed at me. And I got in my car, and I actually did cry. I sat in my car with my head on my steering wheel, crying for that man, because my heart hurt for him. And I thought, you know, what? If he's what if he just lost his wife, and he has no idea. And because he was yelling at me about not knowing what dish soap to get, he couldn't find the kind that he needed. And I thought, maybe, you know, he just, he had just lost his wife, yeah, and she always used a particular soap, and he couldn't find it, and that was what put him over. Maybe he's a full time caregiver for a family member, you know, maybe a white, I don't know, Alzheimer's, what have you. Maybe he was just coming off of a very long illness, and he's on his own, a widower, whatever, because he was, he was late 80s, at least, and looked very, very, very tired. And my heart just hurt. My heart just hurt for him. And I thought, You know what, he might have been yelling and swearing at me, and that is perfectly okay, but I'm going to sit here and pray for him. I'm going to pray for peace and for grace to just envelope him, you know, just be covered in it, and maybe when he wakes up tomorrow and he goes to grab all that stuff from the hallway table and put back in his pocket, he'll look down and see that yeah, and maybe then it'll be like, oh, you know. Or maybe, maybe not. Maybe it would be a week, maybe a month, whatever. But I firmly believe in my heart that at some point he was going to see that, and it would   Michael Hingson ** 47:24 click, and you haven't seen him since, I assume, no, it's   Kim Lengling ** 47:27 total stranger. I don't know these people, you know. And there was one time I have these, I got little cards made too, because, well, these stones are pretty expensive, actually. So I got little cards made too, just tiny, little square cards, and it says, share a nugget of hope today. And on the back, it says, The world is a better place because you're in it. And I had some of those because I had forgotten to put stones in my pocket, and I had a couple of those cards in my purse. And I was in a store just picking, you know, doing errands, and I was walking by some sweaters, and I thought, I'm going to put one of these little cards in a pocket of that sweater and just put it in. Didn't think anything of it. Several days later, I got a message through Facebook from a young lady saying, I don't know if this is the person who left a card in a sweater, but if you are, I want to thank you for leaving this little nugget of hope in that sweater, because I've been struggling with my weight for a very long time, and I had an event to attend, and I was looking for a sweater that would help make me feel better. And she didn't notice that that little card that said, be a nugget of hope today, the world's a better place because you're in it. She didn't notice it until she was home putting the sweater on again to try it on in front of her mirror. And she said, if that was if the person that I'm reaching right now is the person who left that card, I want to thank you for doing that, and I also want to let you know I'm going to keep this card, and when I feel so LED. I'm going to tuck it into a pocket somewhere in a store too, and hopefully someone else will get it, and they will, they will receive it as as I received mine. And I was just like, Oh my goodness.   Michael Hingson ** 49:12 You know, ever since thunder dog was published, I get emails. They're they're sporadic somewhat, but I get emails from people who have said how this book inspired or how I learned so much. And you know, as far as I am concerned, I am better for all of the comments that I get. I learned from everyone who decides to reach out in one way or another, and I encounter people in very, very unusual circumstances. I was in Dallas Fort Worth airport one day, and this guy comes up to me, and he said, You're Mike Kingston. You just wrote thunder dog, and I want to shake your hand, and I want to take you to lunch. And I had time. So. Did go to lunch and I and I never had met the guy before, but he had read thunder dog, and it obviously made a difference to him. So I think, as I said, every time I hear from someone, I believe it makes me a better person. It teaches me that when we put out words or seeds in the field, or whatever you want to call it, that you never know where they're going to plant and thrive. But if that's what I'm supposed to do, then I'm glad I'm doing it.   Kim Lengling ** 50:36 I feel exactly the same, and I like how you said you were it you said each, each comment that you get makes, makes you a better person, and that that's so profound, and it's, it's humbling, isn't it? When you get comments like that, or people approach you and say something that, you know, it was inspiring, or that motivated me, or, you know, wow, that's something I really needed. I mean, it's, it's very for me anyway, it's very humbling. I had an older lady. I was helping her put her groceries in her car. It's just, I just randomly saw her, you know, struggling, and I had a nugget of hope in my hand too, of course. So I went up and I, you know, said, I'd like to give you a nugget of hope, and I'd also like to help you put your groceries in your car. And we got done doing that, and she looked down at the nugget of hope in her hand, and she got all teary eyed, and gave me a big hug, and she said, You are my absolute angel today. You have no idea how much I needed this. And I went, I'm so grateful that, that you're the one that's receiving this, and that you you know that, that you need it. She goes, but I said, but I am no angel. I am no angel. And she said, she's, you know, she just kind of chuckled, and, you know, said, No, you have, you just have no idea. You have no idea what this means to me today. And I didn't ask, because it's none of my business, yeah, you know, I just, I wished her a blessed day, and I went back to my car, and I sat there, and I sat there, and there was another time I actually cried. I was like, oh my goodness, this is what I think I'm, you know, I'm supposed to be doing this random stuff. And it's not random, obviously, but I don't know it's, it's profound, and it hits you, and I'm sure that that's, yeah, probably your book has probably done the same. Your book is a nugget of hope. You know, to many people, I'm sure,   Michael Hingson ** 52:22 I hope it is. I didn't, I didn't write it to do anything other than to try to encourage people and motivate people and teach people a little bit. And I guess it's done all of those things. So I can't complain.   Kim Lengling ** 52:34 No, it's awesome. It's great. And what a beautiful What a beautiful legacy, you know, because that's always going to be out there. Yeah.   Michael Hingson ** 52:43 Well, you wrote a New Britain or been the lead on a number of anthologies. And I think three of your books are in the series. When Grace found me, tell me about that series. Those   Kim Lengling ** 52:53 started that was in 2020, actually, when the world shut down. Yes, and I was online, and I found an online writers group. It was all women, and the majority of them were from England. And so I was like, the minority being the American. And I met a beautiful lady online, and she had just started up a faith based publishing company. And so her and I were like, hey, you know, let's chat afterwards. And so we set up a zoom and chatted afterwards for a while. And I said, you know, I've had this idea. I've got a few stories in my head, but I would love to get other people's stories. You know about, you know, when Grace found them, and we were just chatting about grace, and she said, Well, let's figure out how to make this work. And so her and I actually start to together. Started those when Grace found me series, and we asked a few people, and then it kind of snowballed, because it was just going to be one, just going to be one book, 20 people done, once it reached 20, and we're like, oh, this, you know, we've got enough for a book. They're 1500 words each. The stories, they're beautiful. Let's do it. But then word of mouth got out somehow, online, and people kept coming forward. Well, I would like to participate, and I have a story, and it turned in. It went from one book to three books, and 2020, co authors in each book. And we, we published all of those within 12 months. Wow. It was so much work, so much work. But those, those stories, oh, my goodness, the the comments that we got after they were out, you know? And she, she's just started her little, tiny, little publishing company, and it was just, it was just amazing. What an amazing experience. And then I, you know, two years ago, I and I truly enjoy bringing folks together to share their stories, and I enjoy, you know, collaborating and coordinating all of these. And. And so the the last two have been paw prints on the couch and paw prints on the kitchen floor. And those are anthologies all about pets. You know, people are sharing their their stories about their pets and how they've enriched their lives or changed their lives or saved their lives, you know? And it's, it's just rewarding to me, and it's also fun to give folks that maybe have never written before, that chance to say I'm published in a book, you know? Because that's pretty exciting stuff for folks. And some folks are like, I've never aspired to be a writer, and I don't want to be, but I do want to share my story in this book. Yeah, you know. So it's been fun, and oh my goodness, I learned, I learned how to publish. You know, like I said, I like to learn. So I've learned so much about publishing and formatting and how to corral all the people that are involved in the book.   Michael Hingson ** 55:57 Have you? Have you converted any of them to audiobooks,   Kim Lengling ** 56:00 no, and I need to do that. I just don't have the funds to do that at this time. That's that's not something that's cheap, and I'm not set up to do it myself. I don't have the right I have the equipment, but I don't think it would be the quality that I want it to be if I did it myself, and I just don't have the funds to do that, and I would, I would love to do it for the paw prints books, both of them, for sure. And I'm considering do, because everybody's going, you have to, when's the third one coming out? And I said I wasn't really planning on and they're going, you have two, you have to do at least three, and then make it a series. So I was actually talking to a couple people today about it, and they're encouraging me to do a third one. So I probably will, you know, so that would come out next year sometime. But I don't know. I would like to, I would like to get audio books of all of them. I just have to reach a point where I'm able to do that and make it what's professionally done.   Michael Hingson ** 57:03 Yeah, yeah. AI is getting better, but I'm not sure that it's really there yet for doing recording of audio books, unless you've got a whole lot of equipment and can do various   Kim Lengling ** 57:15 things. I've played around listening to some of the different voices and stuff, and the inflect, the inflection just isn't there, yeah, I know, yeah. Some of them sound pretty good, but you don't get the correct pauses. And you know, you know what I mean. It just, you can tell, it's like, oh, that sounds pretty good. And then you're like, Ah, no, right there, nope, that just blew it.   Michael Hingson ** 57:38 Yeah? I I agree, and I fully understand. Well, so you've written non fiction? Is there a fiction book in your future?   Kim Lengling ** 57:47 I have one in my head, and it's been in there for several years, and it's been getting louder so and I've talked to other fiction writers, and they're going, okay, when you've got characters in your head and they're getting louder. That means you are supposed to be writing this book. Yeah. So this year, and we're almost done with this year, it the characters, and it's kind of kind of fantasy, kind of ish, young adult ish. I don't even know what it is yet, but I've got the characters in my head. I know what they look like. I know what they sound like. And, you know, there's wood sprites are involved, you know, wood sprites and animals are involved, heavily involved. They are the main characters of the story. So, yeah, I every once in a while, I sit down and I'll write, you know, maybe four or 500 words of it, and then I walk away. But I want to, they're getting louder. The characters are getting louder, so I need to sit down and just go, Kim,   Michael Hingson ** 58:50 let's get going. No, that's not why it's going to work. What's I know you're going to sit down and they're going to say, Kim, we're writing this book, right? Most characters are going to write the book   Kim Lengling ** 58:59 right. They're going to tell me what they're doing and what they're saying, that's for sure. And   Michael Hingson ** 59:03 you're in, you're going to do it, or they're going to get even louder,   Kim Lengling ** 59:08 you know? And it's, it's so interesting because I remember the first time I was talking to a fiction author, and they said my characters got so loud in my head, I didn't quite grasp what they were saying, but I found it fascinating, and now I understand what they were saying, yeah,   59:26 yeah. And   Kim Lengling ** 59:27 I joking, you know, I laugh. It's not joking. I laugh about it because they're like, Well, what? What do you have one character that's louder than the others? I said, Yes, and it's a female, and she's Irish,   Michael Hingson ** 59:38 there you are. So she's   59:39 yelling in her Irish accent.   Michael Hingson ** 59:42 You better listen, I haven't had that happen to me yet, so I haven't done a fiction book, but I'm sure the time is going to come and and we'll, we'll have fun with it. But when   Kim Lengling ** 59:55 it's I did, I wasn't expecting it to happen. It just it's there. There it   Michael Hingson ** 59:59 is. It. Exactly right, and that's been the case with with everything that I've done, especially over the past 23 years. And you know, I think it will happen more. I never thought I was going to be doing a podcast, but when the pandemic occurred, I started to learn about it, and then began working with accessibe, which is a company that makes products that help make the internet more inclusive and accessible for people with a lot of disabilities, and they asked me to do a podcast because I said I was learning about podcasting, and suddenly I've been doing unstoppable mindset now for over three years, and it's a lot of fun.   Kim Lengling ** 1:00:33 But you know, that's how my podcast started. Was in 2020 Yeah, we have an awful lot in common. Michael, yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 1:00:44 well, we should collaborate on books, then that'll be the next thing.   Kim Lengling ** 1:00:48 Absolutely, I am open for that works for me. Awesome. You tell me when and where, and we'll I'll sit down and chat. We can brainstorm about it.   Michael Hingson ** 1:00:57 I'm ready any old time. Me too. And there you have it, friends, the beginning of a new relationship, and another book that will come out of it. And you heard it here first, on unstoppable mindset, that's right, it's now thrown out there. It is out there for the world to to see and hear. Well, I want to really thank you for being with us. We've been doing this an hour, and it's just has gone by, like priest lightning, and now we have next week on on your podcast, and that's going to be kind of fun.   1:01:27 Yeah, I'm looking forward to it really   Michael Hingson ** 1:01:31 me too, and, and I'm sure that Alamo is going to want to listen in over here. He's He's over here on his bed, and he if I close the door when I always close the door when I do the podcast, because otherwise the cat will invade and stitch wants attention when she wants attention. But if I close the door and Alamo is not in here, then he wants attention, or at least he wants in. So I always have to let Alamo in, but stitch doesn't need to be here. I've done one podcast where she sat on the top of my desk chair during the whole podcast,   Kim Lengling ** 1:02:07 I've had guests where their cat, they said, Do you mind? I said, No, I don't mind. I love animals. Their cat the entire time was walking across the desk in front of them the whole time. So the tail the entire time was just going back and forth. It was so comical. But then, you know, you're just like, We're just two people sitting at a kitchen table having coffee. That's how I like. That's   Michael Hingson ** 1:02:28 right. Well, stitch will come in occasionally, and if I let her, if I bring her in and I put her on the back of the desk chair, she'll stay there. And so she likes that. If she gets restless, then I've told her, You can't be too restless and you can't one out in the middle of a podcast. You're either here or you're not. Mostly she's agreeable. I want to thank you again for being here. This has been fun, and one of these days, we'll get out to Pennsylvania and visit. Or you can come out this way somehow. But I want to thank you for being here. If people want to reach out to you, how do they do that?   Speaker 1 ** 1:03:08 Easiest way is to just go to my website, which is my name, Kim Lengling, author.com, that's K, I M, L, E N, G, l, I N, G. Author.com, you can find out what I'm doing

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Are your eating habits supporting the life you want to live? Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell break down key takeaways from Lisa Salisbury's interview, focusing on mindful eating, food habits, and breaking free from unconscious patterns. Learn how to assess your hunger, build a better relationship with food, and take control without guilt or restriction.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:The emotional connection to food and why it matters.How childhood conditioning impacts your eating habits.How to break free from the Clean Your Plate Club mindset.The importance of avoiding extreme hunger or fullness.A simple two-bite challenge to help you check in with your hunger.Episode References/Links:eLevate Retreat - https://lesleylogan.co/elevateMullet Tour - https://opc.me/ukSpring Pilates Training - https://opc.me/eventsPilates Studio Growth Accelerator - https://prfit.biz/acceleratorCambodia October 2025 Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comLadder Barrel Exercises - https://beitpod.com/barrelexercisesLisa Salisbury Website - https://wellwithlisa.comInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/well_with_lisaFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/wellwithlisaIf you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS!Check out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSoxBe in the know with all the workshops at OPCBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey Be a part of Lesley's Pilates MentorshipFREE Ditching Busy Webinar Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable Pilates Follow Us on Social Media:InstagramThe Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channelFacebookLinkedInThe OPC YouTube Channel Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  Are you actually connecting to the food that you're eating, and do you know why you eat the way that you eat? I think these are really interesting questions to ask yourself, because if it is getting in the way from you having the life you want to live, or it's becoming a crutch of some kind, it's worth evaluating. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to discuss the liberating convo I had with Lisa Salisbury in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, you should listen to it at some point, because it's so good. Before, during after, go back and forth between the two. You do you, you. There's like different ways of doing everything. And this is episode 503. Brad Crowell 1:19  503 Lesley Logan 1:20  And we just said a big thank you before we hit record with you guys, to our amazing production team, because we've had the same producers this whole time. There's podcasts I listen to of people that I really admire, and every other year they're with another company. And I'm like, you know what? Why are you with so many different companies? What? Brad Crowell 1:38  That's weird. Lesley Logan 1:38  Now, if it's because I read that you scored $170 million you do you, no jealousy, no judgment, no curious. I see it, not announcing, if they're not paying you to be there, why are you switching? What's going on? Anyways, just go out of your minds. Today is March 27th 2025 and it is Scribble Day. Yep, Scribble Day is observed on March 27th annually, and it's all about celebrating the creativity and the art associated with scribbling, which anyone can do, regardless of their artistic abilities. So the last time you scribbled aimlessly to relieve boredom, you might have probably not known that there's actually a day to celebrate the stress releasing act of scribbling.Brad Crowell 2:18  Yes, our production team is gonna go, Brad, why did you adjust Lesley's microphone while she was talking? So that was me, my fault, and I don't think they're gonna be able to edit it out. Lesley Logan 2:27  No. And guess what? Brad Crowell 2:28  100% they won't. Lesley Logan 2:29  I just didn't want it, I didn't want to stop. I was I hadn't made a mistake, I hadn't made a mistake on any of the sentences. And I wanted to keep going. Brad Crowell 2:36  Well, you nailed it. You slayed that. Lesley Logan 2:37  Also, I really appreciate that they mentioned that, like, it's regardless of your artistic abilities, because, I often am disappointed in my, here's the thing, this is the recovering perfectionist in me who is letting it go that you put your hand in front of the camera to pick the mic. I don't think my scribbling is good. Brad Crowell 2:55  But it's a scribble, it's not supposed to be good. Lesley Logan 2:57  I know, but I want it to look pretty. There's people who are like. Brad Crowell 3:00  Is scribbling pretty? Lesley Logan 3:02  No, but people can draw like, really pretty hearts and stuff. My hearts are like, my star, I look, I just look like a seven year old still scribbles. Brad Crowell 3:10  Fortunately, there's a day for that. Lesley Logan 3:11  There's a day for it, and actually it, there's no, because it's just, it's relieving boredom, and I think it's great. So anyways, also, if you are bored in today's day and age, we want to hear you on the be it pod, because we need all your tips.Brad Crowell 3:26  No, I think it just means that they don't have a smartphone.Lesley Logan 3:30  Yeah, they don't have their friends, literally. Brad Crowell 3:33  They don't have the easiest-to-distract-yourself device in the history of our world. Lesley Logan 3:38  I know. You know what, on a podcast I listen to, they talk about, apparently, your phone can tell you how many times you pick up your phone. This one guy, he picked it up 273 times in a day. 273 times in a day. How many minutes are in a day?Brad Crowell 3:50  All right, so we're gonna figure this out literally right now. So we're gonna go right now. Okay, go to Settings. Go to screen time. So just search for screen time. If you all want to join us on this, if you have an iPhone, go to your settings and go to screen time you're gonna look at.Lesley Logan 4:05  Today, I've only had 67 pickups. Oh, I went. Brad Crowell 4:08  See all app and website activity? Okay. And then go to day.Lesley Logan 4:16  Yeah, pickups, yesterday, I only did 109.Brad Crowell 4:19  Oh, mine is 109 also. What the? Mine's today, though.Lesley Logan 4:24  Okay, but mine today, I've only had 67.Brad Crowell 4:26  Oh yeah, yesterday I did 136.Lesley Logan 4:28  Okay, so here's the deal. I think that's a lot. I don't know, but if there's 24 hours in a day, not that we only pick it up once in an hour, but kind of like, maybe we should try to get it under 100. Let's try. Next time we get to a topic that has to do with boredom, we'll let you know. We'll update you. Anyways.Brad Crowell 4:45  My screen time yesterday was almost 10 hours. Lesley Logan 4:49  Yeah, but we can't judge we were on a plane, you guys, playing video games for 15 hours. So I don't think that. Brad Crowell 4:54  That is true. Lesley Logan 4:55  But okay, anyways, just going back to the boredom thing. So figure it out, because I actually heard one host was like, I have 88 and he was surprised by 88 and to me, like 60, because we work on our phones, I don't think it should actually be nothing. Brad Crowell 5:08  It's a little hard when I'm like, on an hour long zoom call on my phone.Lesley Logan 5:12  Yeah, but maybe we could figure out a day off. Maybe we should find a day off average and then take our weekday average and try to get it just a little bit more than a day off average. Okay. Brad Crowell 5:22  We'll see. Lesley Logan 5:22  That has nothing to do with today's guest or Scribble Day. Hey, we're back from P.O.T. Denver and about to kick off our annual eLevate retreat. You guys, oh my God, it's like, literally, in three days. They're like, coming here soon. I'm so excited. We, I have so many prizes for them. We have a special guest for them. We have, I mean, I can't even wait. So anyways, I'm stoked to see them, we have 17 eLevate grads coming. If you want to come to an eLevate retreat, you have to be an eLevator. If you want to know how to be an eLevator, you need to go to lesleylogan.co/elevate. Okay, Brad's not happy with the mic still. I'm talking right at it. I don't know what else to do. Okay. Also, you guys coming up very soon, in April, we're going to be announcing our second Mullet Tour. It's that UK tour we did where we do business in the morning and Pilates in the evening.Brad Crowell 6:09  It's business in the front, Pilates in the back that's why it's the Mullet Tour. Lesley Logan 6:15  And we're doing two cities for this tour, and it's going to be this fall. So you want to go to opc.me/uk to be on the wait list, because those on the waitlist are going to get invited to the early bird. And you know what? It could sell out on early bird. So you want to go to opc.me/uk to get on the waitlist. So you get the early bird special. Brad Crowell 6:31  Spots are definitely gonna be limited, because we're, you know, we're doing it in some studio. Lesley Logan 6:36  It's when we do our (inaudible). It's like they're just small spaces, and we're only doing two days, I think one day in each city. I'm pretty sure it's of almost. Brad Crowell 6:43  Two days in each city, pretty sure. Lesley Logan 6:45  I don't know. I feel like it's a tight squeeze. Just get on the waitlist and you'll find out. If you're in Europe, you should come, just fly over. Brad Crowell 6:52  Go to opc.me/uk for anyone, anywhere. Coming up at the end of April, we've got our spring training. This is the first time we've ever done this before, and we're focusing on drum roll, please. The Pilates push up. Lesley Logan 7:08  The Pilates push up. So if you hate them, this is for you. If you love them, this is for you. We're gonna have 10 classes over the course of one week, all to help you get the most out of your push ups, either to make them more accessible or more possible, or help you realize, like, how freaking strong you already are. Don't worry if you don't have the equipment, we have a mat ticket as well. So go to opc.me/events, because that's going to get you on the waitlist. And those on the waitlist are going to be invited early, and those invited earlier are going to get a better price, than those who are not on the waitlist. So if you're an OPC member, you get the best price. It's called free.Brad Crowell 7:42  So if you want it for free, join OPC. If you want it for free, join OPC.Lesley Logan 7:48  Yeah, yeah, okay. But that's going to be in April, and it will end on International Pilates Day weekend, which we're very excited about. Brad Crowell 7:56  Yeah, go to opc.me/events and then, if you are a Pilates business owner and are taking clients in any way, shape or form, whether that's in the park or at your house, in a studio, and you're booking and taking payments from your clients. I want you to join me on the next upcoming Studio Growth Accelerator and what we're going to do is talk about the three massive secrets that Lesley and I have figured out after coaching more than 2500 businesses just like yours on all the things over the past, geez, seven plus years now, we've boiled it down to three major things that you need to understand in order to grow your income as a business owner, it's totally free. I want you to join me by going to prfit.biz/accelerator. That is profit without the O dot biz slash accelerator. You'll find out when the next webinar is, and come join me. Finally.Lesley Logan 8:49  What we just, like, when we're recording this. We're literally 24 hours back from Cambodia, but we want to invite you to the next time we're going to Cambodia for our Pilates retreat. There we have classes, we have breath work workshops. We have workshops that will help you love your life and have a lot of fun. We go on Temple tours. We have the most amazing schedule, I'm just gonna say, literally during the retreat, multiple times, multiple people said, I just really love the schedule of this retreat. It's so nice. Brad Crowell 9:16  Yeah, the flow of the events. Lesley Logan 9:18  The flow of it. It is. Brad Crowell 9:19  If you've ever been on a retreat and they had events lined up from six in the morning till like midnight, and you just completely fried. And the things were good, but it was just too much. We don't do that. If you've been to other retreats where they're like, we're so happy that you're here, you've got an entire day to yourself. Yeah, we don't do that either. It's a great balance, right in the middle. Lesley Logan 9:39  Like the little, most perfect schedule. Brad Crowell 9:40  Y'all, we've done like, a dozen of these, so it's been a lot of making adjustments. And in fact, every single time we do a retreat, we evaluate it and we say, did we do it the way we liked it? How did it go? And we're at the point now, y'all where, literally, we have the timeline of events completely dialed in, and what we just did three days ago was we sat down with peach, who is part of our group over there, and she is part of the team that helps take care of us, and we said, hey, we want to rearrange the temple tour visits and see if we can't add in yet another temple in there. And we figured out a way to do it. So we're really excited. It's the temple that Lesley and I haven't even visited yet it's exciting, so. Lesley Logan 10:21  Yeah it's really, really cool. And so just we want you to come. And I have had so many people say the next one, the next one. I've told someone like you said the next one three times. I know we have so many things coming up, so I want you to know something's always going to come up. There's many fires all the time. So go to crowsnestretreats.com because we want you to come on this next one, which is in October. And I'm telling you, we had two people sign up very last minute. We had someone who signed up five months in advance, which I guess is not last minute. We had someone sign up two months in advance, so you can sign up. And we've also had people, most of them are people with children who've come on their own because they deserve a week where we fill their cup for them. So come to crowsnestretreats.com to snag your spot. All right, we have so much to talk about Lisa, but we have an audience question to answer? Brad Crowell 11:08  We do. Ashley Crosby from Instagram says, hi, Lesley, I'm back with another DIY question. Do you have any good recommendations on a DIY video to make a Ladder Barrel rung cover? I've been taught to use a blue knee pad to support our feet, but I have tiny feet and the pad makes me feel less secure. Do you have any suggestions? Lesley Logan 11:28  Yeah. So in this question afterwards, they sent me a bunch of other information about why this blue knee pad situation is happening. So first of all, if you are a Pilates person and you've used a Ladder Barrel before, this is what we're talking about. We're talking about in the ladder barrel there are rungs on the ladder, and you have to put your feet on these rungs. And a lot of people are taught to hook their feet on the rung. So if, like, you're watching on YouTube, it's like that hard flex, kind of like you do at the gym, to, like, stick your feet underneath a bar, to kind of hook in, to do sit ups, because your feet keep coming off the ground. That's kind of what we're talking about here. That being said, that's not actually how you're supposed to put your feet. You're supposed to. Brad Crowell 12:02  Oh for Pilates Ladder Barrel you don't, you're not supposed to hook your feet. Lesley Logan 12:05  No, you shouldn't hook your feet. Brad Crowell 12:07  Wait, sorry. So I don't, I don't even understand where this blue knee pad would go. It's supposed to go between your foot and the foot bars to hurt, to protect your foot? Lesley Logan 12:14  Yes, so your foot's not pulling up against like wood, so the pad's there.Brad Crowell 12:19  So you're not even supposed to hook your feet. So this entire purpose is this blue knee pad is irrelevant?Lesley Logan 12:23  Yes, but they're doing it because they think that hooking the foot is safe, and then people complained about the wood hurting their feet, so they're like, let's put a pad here. Brad Crowell 12:32  And then it's still unsafe. Lesley Logan 12:34  Well, and it's unsafe for this person, but also it's not helping you get the connections you need. So when you're doing short box on the Ladder Barrel, which is when this would happen, you're actually supposed to stand on the feet. So you want to put your feet on not the top top rung, but the second rung, or you can even go lower. This is in my flashcard. This is in all my tutorials free. Put the arch of your feet on there, like you're doing bird on a perch during footwork. And then you push, not so much that you're straightened, but kind of like if you were, like, doing a wall squat, you know how like you, like, are pushing into the floor, but you're stuck in a wall squat, you want to push in them so your butt turns on. And if you hook with your feet, it's really hard to get your butt to turn on, and then it's unfortunately, going to help turn on your hip flexors when you're coming up and down, versus keeping your butt on. So Ashley, here's the deal, if you have to do these things because it's rules of studio, pay attention to the rules. But if you have the ability to do it the way that it's meant to be done, then your tiny feet are not an issue, because this, that whatever part of your arch can go on the bar is what you need. It's all you need. Brad Crowell 13:41  It's all you need. Lesley Logan 13:42  And if you want to go to onlinepilatesclasses.com/ladderbarrelexercises. Brad Crowell 13:48  No, it's slash ladder dash barrel dash exercises. Lesley Logan 13:52  Correct. I was going to say with a hyphen in between all the words. Brad Crowell 13:55  Yeah. onlinepilatesclasses.com/ladder-barrel-exercisesLesley Logan 13:59  Yeah, you can see all of our exercise. You'll see how my foot setup is. And know you, so don't, you don't need.Brad Crowell 14:05  They're all the videos that you would need. They're all the DIY videos. Well, they're not DIY videos for making a Ladder Barrel rung cover, because you don't need a ladder barrel rung cover at all. Lesley Logan 14:14  Some people have created one that is made out of like a sheep's skin or sheep fur, whatever, because that's like, antibacterial, antimicrobial, anti whatever. At any rate, some people have made this, I find that they're quite slippery. And again, you don't need it. Why are we buying things we don't need when you can just use your muscles. So full permission to use your muscles. Brad is trying to look up different things, you guys, they're like, legit. So they're like, they're like. Brad Crowell 14:43  50 bucks for a little piece of cloth that wraps around your barrel.Lesley Logan 14:47  Yeah, yep, yep. Oh, you know what you could get? The cover that I use to do back squats, the cover that you use to do back squats, I bet would work. I bet it would fit, because it's Velcro. And that was, like, $12 or $25 online. So I guess if you are like Lesley, I'm adamant I have to hook my feet, you don't know what you're talking about, then you can do that. You could probably use a back squat rung cover. Anyways, there's just so many different changes that people have made to the practice, and it's not about classical versus contemporary. It's just like people changing exercises because someone complained about things. And it's like, maybe you're not doing it right, or you might not be ready for it yet, and that's a different story. So hopefully this saved you money on a pad you don't need. Send your questions in and we'll answer them. Brad Crowell 15:33  All right, stick around. We're going to be talking about Lisa Salisbury and her tips on food and how we treat food in our lives. Okay, welcome back now. Let's talk about Lisa Salisbury. Lisa is a certified Health, Life, and Weight Loss Coach, holds a BS in Health and Human Performance and is the host of the podcast Eat Well, Think Well, Live Well. Lisa is passionate about helping people build a healthier relationship with food and regaining control of their eating habits. Whether weight loss is the goal or not, she focuses on self awareness and creating sustainable strategies to foster a sense of balance and well being. Lesley Logan 16:10  Yeah, I thought that she was very fascinating. There's so many different ways that you can address this topic, and I just really appreciated her like enthusiasm and love and kindness and grace around it. And she said, food is connection. It always has been, even in our hunter-gatherer days, they ate together. For her, every meal should be enjoyable and delicious, not just thought of as fuel. And I kind of like this, because a lot of times the way to break your emotional connection to food is to go food is fuel. Food is fuel. And it's not your comfort food. But for her, she was like, no, no. I mean, it's fuel, but every meal should be delicious and it should be enjoyable. And something since we just got back from Cambodia that this makes me think about is we set the table for every meal, right? In Cambodia, we put placements out, and we put the silverware out, and we put napkins out, and every meal had colorful fruit and we had this beautiful ambiance. It's really interesting how on a retreat, every meal was kind of an event. And of course, the food was delicious, and we all ate together. And like, we sat there and we ate together, we talked. And like, we have an hour for food because we take a good half an hour because we're just all chit-chatting and like, talking about things and getting to know each other more. And no one's on their phones, because we're all eating a meal together, right? And so she emphasizes that value of family traditions to create meaningful meal time moments, meaningful meal time moments. Brad Crowell 17:32  The Triple M threat. Lesley Logan 17:34  Yeah, she sets a table properly, and you sit at the dining room table, and she believes that the act of eating together is more important than what we're eating. And I thought that's so cool, because we've had different guests on before who were like, do you ever just sit and eat your meal, or are you like on your phone while you're eating your meal? And one of the things that I think is causing people to overeat or be hungry all day long is that they're actually not eating the food that they're eating when they're eating it, they're kind of just doing other things, and they're not paying attention to it. But there's something about we slow we slow down, we chew our food. We like taste the food when we're having a meal with people, and it creates connection. And I think a lot of people are just missing connection these days. And I think you could do this, even if you're single. You can also, oh my God, for my single people here's what you can do, you can set a place for two, because the other place could be little you creating space for a partner, and you could be going through the act of taking the time to put a placement out for that, like, whatever you want to do, but like, you could do that, and then you could sit there, and you could enjoy the food, and you can have beautiful music playing, or maybe beautiful flowers to look at, and just actually enjoy your food.Brad Crowell 18:42  I think it's great. I mean, I love the intention as well. Of the two placemats, you know, you're setting it for the future person. That's really cool. I know you used to do that with coffee. Lesley Logan 18:50  For you. Brad Crowell 18:51  For me, yeah.Lesley Logan 18:52  I mean, you, it wasn't for you first. It was just for the person who's going to be here. But then you took the coffee so, you know, anyways, what did you love?Brad Crowell 19:01  Well, actually, I wanted to just comment. She said a couple things about how we were trained with food that I didn't see in my notes. So the idea that when we were kids, if we were causing chaos, maybe our parents were like, here, eat a fruit, roll up and shut up. Or, hey, you did a great job. For example, my parents, when we scored a goal in the soccer game, we went and bought Domino's Pizza. Lesley Logan 19:27  That's, yeah, that's what everyone does. That's the problem. Like, there's a reward for.Brad Crowell 19:32  That's the thing, is like for our parents what it was was we don't go out to eat. We will go out to eat when you score a goal. But what's also happening there is food is becoming the reward, even though that wasn't actually the intention. Yeah, the intention was, we're gonna splurge, and we'll splurge.Lesley Logan 19:51  And also that's the same thing, like, you have a bad day at school, and someone said something you're bullied to, and then the parents, let's go get ice cream, instead of feeling the feelings of what it's like to have been bullied at school.Brad Crowell 20:01  Yeah, or celebrating a moment such as square goal. But it made me wonder, this is the first time I ever thought about that. It made me wonder, has that affected my eating habits? I do think it is real, the Clean Your Plate Club situation that she talked about that blew my fucking mind. I was like, oh my God, this is crazy. I don't know why my parents said there are starving kids in Africa. I didn't know why, until that podcast, when she said we used to ship the food to Africa in the 80s. I was like, what, we did?Lesley Logan 20:30  Right. My parents are the same thing, and we did ship it. We didn't ship the food that was on your table, though, but it caused me to feel like I have to eat everything on the plate. And now, you don't, I mean, don't be wasteful. Brad Crowell 20:42  But the idea was, because we were intentionally shipping food around to share the food with the world, we should be eating all of ours. And, you know, it was just an interesting idea. It comes from the World War One and World War Two, the Clean Your Plate Club, and they literally rationed food in the United States, and so that was a thing. And it's funny. To me, it's like the leftover hoarding is like a big thing from the Great Depression, because people wanted for everything. They had nothing and so they. Lesley Logan 21:13  And you might need it, you would never get rid of it, because you might not be able to get it. Yeah, and I do think that some of these things have been passed down without us knowing why. And here's the deal, obviously, don't be wasteful with food, but also like, you know, you start to learn like, oh we don't need to make that much food.Brad Crowell 21:27  Oh, I've got to eat everything on my plate. Fascinating that this is like a generational, passed on, generational thing, and today the meaning of it is completely disconnected with the intention of it originally, and so now it's just clean your plate, because that's what you're supposed to do, you know. And so we get into this habit of eating that isn't necessarily healthy from either a mental or a physical perspective. Lesley Logan 21:51  It's not helpful whether it's healthy or not, because maybe you're, maybe you're. Brad Crowell 21:55  It could be healthy if you're doing small portion sizes, but because in the United States, portion sizes are so huge, it might not be normal.Lesley Logan 22:02  I know. I was thinking about our dinner in Singapore, and I was, we're like, oh, these is like Vegas prices for this meal. When the food came out, I was like, this is not a Vegas plate. So Vegas prices, but we got, like.Brad Crowell 22:13  Smaller portions.Lesley Logan 22:15  But it was also enough. It was also enough. So I think that that's really true. I just all of this is not to say, like, what's healthy, what's not healthy. It's like, are you actually connecting to the food that you're eating, and do you know why you eat the way that you eat? I think these are really interesting questions to ask yourself, because if it is getting in the way from you having the life you want to live, or it's becoming a crutch of some kind, it's worth evaluating.Brad Crowell 22:38  Yeah. I mean, the why, it's the why are you eating? And you know, she said it could be because you're bored or sad or frustrated or happy celebrating. She highlighted that for many it's not about weight loss, but it's about feeling like they're the ones making the decision, and not the food making the decision for them, I think we need to put that in context. It's about feeling like they're the ones making the decisions, so probably like I'm deciding to eat now, it's not that the food is making decisions for them, but it's just about control.Lesley Logan 23:08  The habits that we create for ourselves, there's no such thing as a good or bad habit. There's also no good or bad foods, right? There's just is how you are eating and how is it affecting your life, in the way that makes you available to do the things you want to do. And so if you are someone who, like, literally is craving sugar and it's distracting you from the things you want to do, so much that you actually are, like, going out and hunting for sugar, which is like an actual thing, because it's an actual food addiction, because your gut starts to crave sugar and tells you this, and you cannot stop thinking about it. And so then you can't actually write the email to the person want to pitch an idea to, because you're like, I just need to get that. Well, that's affecting your life negatively. And these kinks can be a distraction from what makes us have the energy to want to work out our gut literally tells us a lot, like, our gut microbiome tells us a lot, and what you eat trains your microbiome. So it's a whole other thing. I just thought it was really cool.Brad Crowell 24:00  Stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to talk about those, be it action items, and we're going to dig into the hunger scale, which is pretty cool. All right, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Lisa Salisbury, she mentioned she teaches the hunger scale to her clients, and it goes from negative 10 all the way to positive 10. And she said, negative 10 is like starving yourself. Positive 10 is gorging, where you're very, very full. Negative 10 very, very hungry all the way to very, very full. And she said they're equal distance from zero, which is neutral.Lesley Logan 24:37  Which I loved. I loved a neutral, instead of it being like a one to a 10 or a zero to a 10, five is the place to be. I love that. She was like, no, I'm gonna be make this as a neutral.Brad Crowell 24:48  Yeah. And she said negative 10 and plus 10 are equally uncomfortable. Right? Well, first off, the purpose of it is to build awareness of your hunger and your fullness level throughout the day, right? So she actually charts it. She tells her clients, especially if you've been measuring your macros and you're used to tracking all the stuff and weighing things and whatever. Instead of tracking all that stuff, track your fullness level. And here's how to do it, before each male pause to assess your hunger on this scale, she says, start eating when you're feeling like a negative three, right? When you're just mildly hungry, that's the nicest time to start eating. Stop eating when you're at a plus three, which she describes as you're not really feeling any pressure, you're not wishing you had stretchy pants. You're just comfortable. And she mentioned there's a moment when the body takes a pause, and it's this organic thing where you're like, you know, I'm starting to feel satiated, right? She said, avoid eating when you're overly hungry, negative seven or below, or if you're too full plus seven or above. And you know, obviously, to avoid eating at negative seven, that means you have to have eaten sooner. If you're at a negative seven, you probably should be eating.Lesley Logan 26:00  But maybe, like, have a little snack before you like, sit down for a full meal. Brad Crowell 26:03  I found that interesting too. She had a whole comment on that. She said, why are we snacking? If we're hungry, we should eat a meal.Lesley Logan 26:10  Well, that is actually also interesting. I agree. I have a friend who has a bunch of kids, and she and her husband, they make meals for the family, right? And so one of our kids came home from school and was like, you know, hey, I'm hungry. Can I have this to eat? And so the dinner is at six. If you think that that's going to hold you over till six, then yes, but if you think that you're going to be hungry between that and six, then I want you to think about what would make you satiated till six. And they were like, oh, oh, this isn't gonna be enough. And they actually, like, made half a sandwich so that they were enjoying it. So anyways, I thought that was a cool way of looking at what are you snacking on? Do you need a snack or do you really need to eat? So my biggest takeaway, she advised on eating the amount that's right for your body, paying no attention to food scales, paying no attention to the scale in your kitchen. You can do this by just experimenting with bites. And she talked about the two bite challenge. So we have another challenge for you. Leave two bites at your plate at every meal and see how you feel looking at that food on your plate. Reflect on the experience. Do you feel satisfied or still hungry? Experiment and check in with your hunger afterwards. Remember that this isn't about wasting food forever. It's about learning what you need and putting yourself in charge of your portions. And I think this is also this is also just really cool, because we all need different things at different times in our life. So how you ate at 20 is gonna be different than what you need at 30, it's gonna be different what you need at 40, it's gonna be different during a crazy work schedule versus summer time, you know, vacation time. So I think it's just about connecting with your body and noticing, am I hungry? Really? Am I just bored? There's two bites on my plate. Am I full or am I hungry? Oh, I'm hungry. Okay, I'm not giving myself the portion sizes that I needed so that I would not be a negative seven when I wake up. So it's all just important information for you, so that you're not distracted by your tummy when you're trying to make things happen in this world. I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 27:58  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 27:59  Thank you so much for joining us today. I hope this is a really amazing I hope this got you thinking about you and what you're eating and how you eat it and enjoy it. If you have questions about it, feel free to let us know. If you want to send this to a friend, that would be amazing. We're working really hard and going from a 1.5% podcast to a 1% podcast. We can only do that if you download it. So share this with a friend and until next time, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell 28:19  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 28:21  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. 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Are your eating habits helping or hurting your lifestyle? In this episode, Lesley Logan sits down with Lisa Salisbury, a health and weight loss coach, to discuss how we can redefine our relationship with food. Lisa shares insights into disordered eating, the history of the "clean plate club," and how to listen to your body's hunger signals without obsessing over diets. Tune in for practical, mindset-shifting strategies to enjoy food while making choices that truly serve you.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Lisa's own journey from chronic dieting to mindful eating.Dieting for weight loss versus having a healthy relationship with food.How food connects people and why eating should be about enjoyment.The surprising history behind the "clean plate club" and its lasting effects.The signs of disordered eating and how to shift towards intuitive eating.How to identify hunger cues and stop eating before feeling overfull.The two-bite challenge: recognizing fullness without food guilt.Episode References/Links:Lisa Salisbury Website - https://wellwithlisa.comInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/well_with_lisaFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/wellwithlisaLesley on Eat Well, Think Well, Live Well Podcast - https://beitpod.com/ep104Guest Bio:Lisa Salisbury is a former chronic dieter on a mission to help women stop obsessing about everything they eat and feel confident in their ability to lose weight without a diet app. She teaches them to stop counting and calculating all their food and check in with their body. Most of all, she helps women make their lives amazing so food doesn't have the job of comforter, compensator and celebrator. She hosts the top 100 podcast Eat Well, Think Well, Live Well. She is a certified Health, Life and Weight Loss Coach, with a BS in Health and Human Performance. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS!Check out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSoxBe in the know with all the workshops at OPCBe It Till You See It Podcast SurveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates MentorshipFREE Ditching Busy Webinar Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable Pilates Follow Us on Social Media:InstagramThe Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channelFacebookLinkedInThe OPC YouTube Channel Episode Transcript:Lisa Salisbury 0:00  Food has always brought people together, because you cook in big batches, and it's just kind of the way humans evolved to eat together. And so there is connection with food. And if we try to pretend that there isn't, I think it's just a losing battle.Lesley Logan 0:16  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:59  All right, loves, I'm gonna tell you right now that I am pleasantly surprised, amazed, like, excited for this episode that you're about to listen to. I'm gonna let you in a little secret. I do my very best not to have, like, a weight loss as a topic for being it till you see it, because there's just a lot around that, and it's complicated. And also, I don't want anyone out there thinking that weight loss or their weight is actually the thing that's keeping them from being it till they see it. But there are things around our health and wellness and how we eat that can be. And so today's episode, I really hope that you do listen to it and you're not turned off by if their weight loss was in the title, or anything like that, that you actually take a listen because, especially if you are around my age or a little bit older, our relationship with food and how food was used can be complicated, even if we think we have a great one. And today's guest is Lisa Salisbury, and she's an incredible podcast host. I was able to be on her podcast, and the thing that I really love the most about this is it's not about weight loss at all. She actually, multiple times encourage people to eat more, and I think her story will resonate with a lot of you as well. What this is is about how we can and it's not also about like thinking food is just this boring cardboard. It's about how we choose to eat and how we eat, and how we can really make our lives more full in a good way, and not through, like over full through food. So I'm just gonna stop talking, because her words are so beautiful, and she's so thoughtful, and she's incredibly well researched in what she is doing, and I got a whole history lesson in here, so I'm just gonna say freaking great, super awesome, super informative. And I hope this gives you the permission that you might need when it comes to, hey, sit down with your meals, or if you sit down with your meals, or if you needed to be reminded to eat more, or if you just needed permission, like my husband gave me, to just leave some food on the plate. So here is Lisa Salisbury. Lesley Logan 2:59  All right, Be It babe, I'm so excited to have this conversation. It's one we haven't had on the podcast before, and I think it's a really important one as a child from the 80s who was told to clean her plate because there's people starving in other places. It's interesting how that can affect how you how your whole life ends up being. And so I have Lisa Salisbury here. She is the host of Eat Well, Think Well, Be Well. And, nope, it's Eat Well, Think Well, Live Well. Let's get it right, Lesley. Anyways, we'll make sure that link is in the notes so it's just easy for you to find her amazing podcast. I was a guest on it, and I'm and so you can always start off with that episode. Lisa, thank you so much for being here. Can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at? Lisa Salisbury 3:39  Yeah, great. Thanks for having me, Lesley. I, like you said, my name is Lisa Salisbury. I'm a health coach and weight loss coach and podcaster. I was a chronic dieter, as many, many of you, and like you said, people from the 80s. So, started dieting in high school, started having babies, then in my 20s, and so my weight was just on an absolute roller coaster. And it's really quite a long story, as it is, for a lot of people, of how they get into the health and fitness space, health world, any kind of that sort of influence, and it's just usually through your own experiences, which was the same for me. So I just realized, hey, I don't want to do this anymore. I don't want to diet anymore. And I got my health coaching certification. And even through that, I thought I wasn't dieting. I thought that my last ditch effort to quote-unquote lose all of that baby weight was macro counting. And so I thought I wasn't dieting because I thought, oh, this is okay, because I can eat whatever I want as long as it fits your macros. That's like their tagline, right?Lesley Logan 4:41  It's kind of the same thing with Weight Watchers. It's kind of like you can eat whatever you want as long as it's in your points. So it's kind of like that, yeah.Lisa Salisbury 4:46  Right. Yeah, totally. And so my acute study partner that I had during that health coaching course, she gently, so gently, during the eating disorder, we said, oh, is there anything that you're noticing about yourself here? When we were talking about orthorexia, and she was really sweet, and really just opened my eyes to the fact that I was so anxious about meeting my macros that it was really affecting the way I showed up in the world. And so the first time that I sat down and ate lunch without weighing my portions was kind of like mind blowing for me to be like, oh, I'll just let my body decide when I've had enough. There was actually a big increase in anxiety. But then over time, of course, as I let that go, I saw, you know, just a change in my health as far as mental health around food. And then I went on to start coaching, and realized that most of my clients needed help around not so much about what to eat, you know, give them a food plan, but why they were eating when they didn't really want to be eating. Why they were eating when they were bored, frustrated, sad, confused. Why they were eating when they weren't hungry. And so that's when I went and got my life coaching certification, and I really helped them figure out that emotional eating piece which can or cannot have anything to do with weight loss. I have several clients come to me that are just like, I just want to be healthier around my relationship with food. And so whether they lose weight or not is neither here nor there, because they just want to feel like they're the ones making the decisions, and not the food making the decisions for them. Lesley Logan 4:46  I love that you shared that last part about it's not necessarily about the weight loss for most people, it's like the relationship with food. My grandmother was a chronic dieter. Like, up 100 pounds down 100 pounds up, 100 pounds down. She was so pissed when they took Fin-Phen away from her. Like, she was like, this is the thing that worked. And I'm like, so it's killing people. They and they know it. Lisa Salisbury 6:29  Small detail.Lesley Logan 6:47  Yeah. And so, like, I grew up around that, that is what the word diet actually means. When it's, what diet actually means, it's like, how you eat, not just like that you're on a diet, we're, every any which way you eat is a diet, guys, it's just that it's like some but we are trained that that word means, you're on a diet, you're trying to lose weight. And so then, there's people who are like, well, I just want to love the body that I'm in, and you can but if food is dictating how you are doing your life, and when you do things in your life, that can be a problem in allowing you to live the best life that you want to live. I want to just go back to something really quickly, and then I have, okay, orthorexia for the people who don't know what that word is, can you share what that is? Lisa Salisbury 7:29  Yeah, that's kind of the obsession with eating healthy. So it's a fairly new eating disorder. In fact, I have to say, I'm not even sure if it's in the DSM yet, but it is being recognized as a real issue. So a lot of times, this is what we call just disordered eating. When you look at someone's nutrition, when they're like, here's what I ate today, and it's clearly, you know, from a list of 10 foods that are approved in their brains. That's orthorexia, having a lot of anxiety around, for example, I called a restaurant, I remember this particular time, they were a small restaurant, so they didn't have their nutritional information available to me, wasn't like a big chain, you know? And they're like, oh, if you email us, we can send it to you. And they didn't, and I called them several times to get it. That's orthorexia, right, to be so anxious that I need to put my macros in and hit it plus or minus five every single day. And some people think that's a great game. Some people are like, that's my favorite game with Tetris to play. Great. That's fine. You can absolutely count off macros and not have orthorexia, totally. That didn't work for me. My brain, I was like, I have to do this. And if I didn't, what was weird is I went to a lot of times, I would be like, well, I can't. And so now it's a cheat day. Now it's a eat whatever I want sort of day which is also disordered. Lesley Logan 8:56  Yeah, I feel like there's more people with disordered eating than maybe they recognize. You mentioned a few signs of orthorexia, and some of those equal disordered eating. Is there any other signs of disordered eating? And mostly because what I'm hoping for today is I've always tried to make sure that everyone feels super loved on this show, that every listener knows even if I'm a Pilates instructor, I'm not here to make anyone change their body. I'm here about moving people, because I know movement heals and it's mental health and it's all this stuff, but I also know that there are things that we do out of habits and especially around food, that can be affecting us, having an amazing mental health life, or having fun in our life, or actually focusing on other things in our life. So if you can talk about like, some of the signs of disordered eating that people might not necessarily recognize.Lisa Salisbury 9:42  I think having just a really small list of foods that you are able to consume. So if you're like, I only eat chicken and these two kinds of fish or so if your list is really small, if you're excluding foods that are considered whole foods. So if you're excluding things, especially entire groups of food, like all carbohydrates, or if you're like a potato, which is grown in the ground, is somehow bad for you, obviously barring allergy or, you know, insensitivity, that kind of thing. But if you've excluded several whole foods, that would be concerning. If you're excluding ultra-processed foods, that's great. Let's do that. Lesley Logan 9:58  You're fine, everyone. Lisa Salisbury 10:33  Yeah. But if we're like, hey, we're going to exclude all kinds of different whole foods, then that would be kind of a hallmark if you are eating on the clock. So if you are like, I cannot, should not, not supposed to those types of words, eat before my alarm goes off at 1 pm there's a difference between intermittent fasting and being starving and gritting your teeth until 1 pm until 2 pm, until that moment, right? So you have to really look and check in with yourself is, am I doing this because I really, actually feel amazing, or am I doing this because if I don't, anxiety will skyrocket, because if I don't, I will have somehow lost control. Or if I, does that make sense?Lesley Logan 11:19  It totally makes sense. Also, it makes sense because I've been listening to Mindy Pelz on her fast like a girl thing, which is, yeah. And I would listen to her thing in the way she describes how you should feel on the fast. And then she's also very careful to qualify, like, if you have somewhat disordered eating, you should be doing this as a professional, and not on your own. And what's interesting is, as I was doing the fast like a girl thing, I was very consciously aware, like, okay, how am I going to do this? So I don't have control issues around it, because having grown up with the history of my grandma being on a diet, off the diet, so then, of course, I was, I'm the girl who was pulling out the magazine articles on all the exercises and putting them in a binder to do all of them, and then totally eliminating whole food groups most of high school and college. So I'm just really aware that it's easy for me to go, oh, this is like, something like, it's healthy to do it, so I'm gonna do it like this, and then get controlled about it. So, like, okay, I'm just gonna interestingly pretend to do it and see how I feel. And she had these tools. If you do get hungry, but you're not famished and you just need, you can do a cup of coffee. And so I was trying it out, and I could tell the difference between being like, I am really, actually hungry right now and I need to eat something, versus I'm actually just bored right now because I normally eat at eight. Lisa Salisbury 11:19  Right, right, yeah. Lesley Logan 11:29  Which is a really fascinating thing, because it's like, okay, well, I could do other I could do other things, then, why am I choosing to eat at eight o'clock, versus like, so it's just a really interesting thing, because you can't, I can see how someone could over control the healthy intermittent fasting process and make it an unhealthy thing for them. So thank you for sharing that. I want to just like, pick your brain a little bit, because you have so much information around this. You know, so many people are raised where food is a reward for, like, getting good grades or you're feeling bad. So then there's food, and then we have to eat. Can we talk a little bit about relationship with food? And like, are we supposed to just be agnostic? How do we what are we supposed to feel with food? Because I think it's really interesting, right? It's like a fun thing. Like, I want to get some ice cream right now. Like, how are we supposed to think about food in our lives? Lisa Salisbury 13:21  It's such an interesting topic, because you'll find you know coaches who have trained at the same exact schools that I have will give you wildly different answers. Some people are like, food is fuel. That is it. You only eat it for fuel. And I have never, I tried that for a little while, and I never could get on board. I never could get on board with food as fuel, because the truth is, food is connection, and it always has been. Even in hunter-gatherer days, they ate together, right? I mean, I don't know, maybe the documentaries are incorrect. I wasn't there, but I think most tribal groups still ate together. Food has always brought people together, because you cook in big batches, and it's just kind of the way humans evolved to eat together. And so there is connection with food. And if we try to pretend that there isn't, I think it's just a losing battle. And so I have decided every time I eat I want it to be delicious, and when I think about food being fuel, that sounds like cardboard to me, right? Like, just hook me up to an IV, there's like. Lesley Logan 14:28  No one's ever been excited to go get filled. I mean, like, no one is excited to fill up their gas tank, right? If you think about it, how many of us are waiting until, like, I've got one mile left, I better go, You know what I mean? So it's not exciting, and not the food has to be exciting. But I do love that you brought up connection because I think so many of us lack that in our daily lives. So much stuff is like, I mean, we're here on Zoom, right? So much stuff is digital and virtual, and so there's not that space. But I also think how much we've lost the connection around the eating as well. People eat alone at work, they eat at their desk, you know what I mean, or they're at home, working remote. They're by themselves. And so that would be an interesting maybe goal. It's like, how many meals can you actually have sitting down with someone that you love or care about or want to spend time with?Lisa Salisbury 15:12  It's actually a huge point that I make with my clients, because when we're talking about waiting until we're hungry to eat, because that's the nicest time to eat, by the way, is when you're hungry, when you're just mildly hungry, that's the nicest time to start eating. And so we talk about, okay, what does your lifestyle look like? What time do you eat with a family? Do you eat with a spouse? And what time is that? And we adjust the rest of their day and the rest of their eating if need be around that piece, because the relationships come first. And so I think that's kind of another thing about food, is that we want to focus on, I actually want to have dinner with my family regardless of what we're eating. The important piece is that we, and I still insist on this, because I'm neurotic. We set the table placements and everything. And like my kids know how, every one of them knows how to set a proper table, like where the fork goes and the cup and everything, because we sit and have dinner as a family. And so because that is important to me, it's far more important than what we're eating. And so I want food to be enjoyable, but it's not just about the food and when you're eating, and it's only about the food, and it's only about how good the food tastes. That's when you overeat, that's when you take in too much, that's when you feel yuck afterwards. That's when you're like, because the truth is, it doesn't matter if you're trying to lose weight or if you're not trying to lose weight, even if you're trying to gain weight, like, if you're trying to gain muscle or whatever, overeating actually feels terrible. We pretend that it doesn't. We pretend that it's so fun. We pretend like, oh, this was like, amazing, and, oh, I'm stuffed. And we pretend to have a happy face. But inside, let's think about how your body feels. It's not good. Lesley Logan 16:15  It's not good. You don't even feel great the next morning, sometimes. Everyone loves Thanksgiving. I have to be so honest, I'm so grateful that my family is like, there's only four of us. It's not worth buying anything. Let's go to a restaurant. We have no leftovers. I love that, because there's a whole pressure around some of those holiday meals, like overeat. But it's true, and maybe we get this a good time to ask you, I don't actually people know when full is. Do you know what I mean? Like, I was listening to something about how, in Japan, they teach kids from the age of five how to eat until they're 80% full, how to know what that feels like. They, also, they take a bite of one thing, and they take a bite of a different thing and take a bite of a different thing, and so they're putting their fork down. They're enjoying the bite. They're enjoying the food. I don't eat, like that, I'm gonna eat all the salad, and then I'm gonna eat all the meat. I think that it has taken me, as a 41-year-old, oh, I'm full now, and to, like, stop eating no matter how delicious it is. And I think that's a really difficult thing. Like, where does that come from? Are we just so lacking and delicious food that we just keep going? Or, like, is it a learned behavior that we have?Lisa Salisbury 17:59  I definitely think it's learned behavior because if you watch a toddler eat, first of all, they're usually far too busy playing to eat. And then if you're like, Hey, come on, come on, you could drill them to the table when they're done, they're done, you cannot get that last bite of macaroni and cheese in them if they do not want to eat it. That's just it. When you're two, you actually are really good at hunger and fullness cues. I mean, really, babies, they don't stop nursing because the milk is out. They, the milk runs out because they've stopped nursing and trained, they train the mother, right? You, if you have been a nursing mother, or been associated or seen your sister, or whatever, their milk supply adjusts not immediately. I mean, I could have nursed triplets when I first had a baby, but eventually, it adjusts based on the child. And so we teach our children that you should eat past full a couple of ways. Number one, we offer them food and snacks to cure boredom and as rewards and to fix their owies, right? So we teach them that food is the answer to a lot of their emotional problems. I did this, too. I have four kids. I did it. I, no judgment, no shame. This is just what you do as a parent, because it works. It's fine, it's normal. Lesley Logan 18:00  Yeah, I have no judgment, because I have seen a crying kid sometimes, like on an airplane, like, how do we stop? Yeah.Lisa Salisbury 19:27  Yeah. Like, please give that kid some goldfish. So I think that's the first thing that we do as parents. And then the other thing that we do to keep our kids from paying attention and letting them go by their own physical fullness cues is the clean your plate. You've got to clean your plate. You have to eat this if you want dessert. No more potatoes, if you don't eat the broccoli and that sort of thing. And so it really kind of messes with because they're like, well, I want the ice cream. And so they force down whatever is on their plate. And then, put ice cream on top of that. And so they're like, well, the right thing is to feel this way, because this is how it feels when I get to eat what I want to eat, the ice cream. And so the, you know, cleaning your plate is, well, it's a tricky topic. Do you want me to get into that as well? Lesley Logan 20:17  I want because here's why, and this is for anyone listening, I think if you raised your kids this way, you shouldn't shame yourself about it, but I think it's good information, because it does, I swear it's ugly how when you're an adult, my husband, when we were first dating, I was like, I'm so full, and I would like, take another bite. And he's like, what are you doing? And I was like, well, I don't wanna waste the food. And he goes, you can just put it in a Tupperware. And I just started laughing. I was like, oh my God, I hear my parents, and my mom listens to this, so please don't get mad, but like, children are starving in Africa. You better eat your food. The young me didn't understand that the food on my plate is not going to any starving child. So like, it doesn't actually it's not being wasted at all. And so as an adult, I had to learn that because I was getting sick every night trying to finish the plate, and it really did affect my moods at night, my sleep at night. And those are the things, you guys, that if your sleep is affected, if your digestion system is not going well, that affects you from reaching the goals you have, because it becomes, your life starts to revolve around how you're feeling out of that one heavy or two heavy meals. And again, this is not a weight loss thing. This is a just a getting you, getting us a relationship around food that can allow us to live the life we want to live. So, I love to get into details of it. Lisa Salisbury 21:26  Yeah. The thing about your mom saying that, is that, isn't it crazy how many people just nodded their heads, and I just already know this, because we all use the same phrase. Why? This is what I was like. Why do we all use this phrase? Where did this come from? So I started to just like Google a little bit, and right at the very top of Google, you can Google it yourself. The Clean Plate Club was an actual club in World War One. It was a government program and was started up again in World War Two, and the reason for this, so Clean Plate Clubs were established in elementary schools. So your grandmother was likely exposed to that phrase as a government program as an elementary school student, because that's back when her eyes are like, getting so big.Lesley Logan 22:17  This is like that. I'm sure, I'm sure there's a reason that had to do with the war, but keep going. Lisa Salisbury 22:22  Yes, so okay, that's when, like, lunch ladies were actual, like making lunch back there, right? In actual kitchens. They weren't just serving up packaged foods like we get today. So they're making actual lunch. They're dishing up actual food. It's not that kids today don't get actual food, but I just mean, like dishing up a portion of meatloaf, right? And the idea was, the child would say, this is how much I want. And then when they would finish their plate and be part of the Clean Plate Club that indicated, I took the right amount for me. And there were rations. We were trying to conserve food, because for them, there were starving children in Europe. There was war-torn countries that we were trying to help, and we were shipping food to Europe. So the less that we could waste here really did help the European nations at that time, but as time went on, we weren't sending food to those nations, and we have more abundance in this country. And we do have the ability to send food in the 80s to Africa or to the other, you know, China, I got that one a lot, too, and still, we can waste a few bites of our food without that affecting it, because we're not on rations anymore. There were true rations in World War Two. Like, my grandma told me, they came around and asked, how much do you have of this and that and the other? And it's a story that sticks in my head, because she said, when they came around and they asked me how much sugar I had, I said I didn't have any, because I took all the sugar on my shelf, and I made sugar syrup, and I canned it so that I would have sugar syrup to can my peaches when it was time. And then I got my full ration of sugar so I could also make a jam. Poor woman, she was trying to, like, conserve food and do all her canning, and try and do that with, on sugar rations. But that's why I know they came around and asked, because. So there really were rations at that time. Lesley Logan 24:21  So they were trying to keep, make sure that you're not, like, saying, I need a cup, and you only used a quarter. And it's like, well, we're in a, you don't need another because you're not using your.Lisa Salisbury 24:21  Right. Lesley Logan 24:29  So this is very fascinating. This is interesting because they were actually like, kind of teaching people, I want this much meatloaf, and then I ate that much meatloaf. So I didn't waste anything, but I didn't ask for more than I needed, which is very different than how it you know, just like everything, it's like the game of telephone. How it translated to, which is, we aren't on rations anymore, but you should still clean your plate, because I always clean my plate, and we are not teaching kids how to pick a portion that they can then eat. Lisa Salisbury 25:00  Well, portions, too, are such a mess, which I want to get into in a second, but I will say we do a lot of these things. This is one of my favorite jokes. I'm pretty sure I read it in the Reader's Digest when I was a kid. They're having a big family dinner, and the granddaughter is the one who's hosting. She's an adult, and she had cut off the edges of the ham, and her mom said, Why'd you cut off the edges of the ham? And she goes, I don't know, because you always did it. And the mom goes, well, I did it because my mom did it. And Grandma was, like, I only did it because it didn't fit in the pan, right? Like, we need to stop doing things because the ham didn't fit in the pan for our grandmothers, right? The problem is, in the 80s, a bagel was about three inches across. And in 2016 there was a big study done, and they called this portion distortion. So, in 2016, bagels averaged six inches across. We still consider that a portion. A bagel is a portion, right? So when you're like, well, we've got to teach kids what portions are. They don't even know what portions are appropriate for their bodies, because they go to a fast food restaurant and they're like, here is a portion of fries. But if you look at the nutrition label for what they are serving you as a portion of fries, it might be considered two or even three servings, right? So a serving size is much different than what we consider a portion. If you ever looked at the serving size of cold cereal, no, no teenage boy eats a serving size for cereal. Lesley Logan 26:26  And here's why, here's what I noticed, guys, because in my 20s, trying to lose the Freshman 25 that I gained. I was like, I was doing the portion control situation. And I was like, let's say, a three-fourths of a cup. That was like, that's mostly what it is for cereal. And I'm like, how do you even measure that? You have a cup, a half a cup, a quarter. I do two measuring cups, and then I get this little itty-bitty, like, you couldn't fill up on that if you wanted to. Lisa Salisbury 26:52  No, no. So we have all this portion distortion. And so we go to restaurants, and they're like, here's a portion. They never once asked how hungry I was. And if my husband and I ordered the same thing, our plates look exactly the same, even though he's six-five and, you know, 215, I am not that size. I do not need the same size portion, serving size that he does. And also, if I haven't eaten all day and he just ate lunch, maybe I am going to eat more than him. So there's just so many factors about what you're going to eat at that meal, and the restaurant never asks you. They just bring out the portion, right? So we have to learn to, like your husband said, put it in a Tupperware, put it in a to-go box. Or if it's a salad and it's dressed, or it's salmon, or it's not going to keep we have to be okay with leaving it behind. And it wasn't our job, wasn't our fault. If you asked for a half portion, would the restaurant even do it? I don't know. Maybe. You're still going to pay the same. It's not about the money you're paying for the experience, which goes back to food being as a positive part of relationship and connection. My husband and I went out to dinner last Friday for a date night. It didn't matter that we ate two different things. It didn't matter that I didn't finish mine and brought some home and he didn't finish his, but he decided not to bring it home. That's not what we were paying for. We were paying to not do the dishes. I was paying to not have the mental work of thinking of what to make and then making it and then cleaning it up. I'm the primary cook and cleaner in our house. Like it's fine, that's, he does other things. I'm not mad about it, but that's mental load. You're paying for all of that when you go out, you're not paying for three or four or 10 ounces of French fries? Lesley Logan 28:45  Yeah, I am obsessed with this conversation, because I love the permission that you're giving every single person here. And this is like, it's an interesting way. It's just such an interesting way to think about all the different things that we do, and why do we do it. And I feel like that's like, kind of your way that you work with your clients. It's like, it's not about the diet and it's not about the weight loss, it's about understanding the choices that you're making and why you're making them, so that they're your choices and you're not being controlled by your choices. Am I correct? Lisa Salisbury 29:14  Totally. Yeah. Lesley Logan 29:14  Yeah. I guess the next question I have is, and maybe this is something you just work with people on is, how do we understand, in a sense it's going to sound so stupid, but only because I feel like someone's listening like, going, okay, that's me. What is the before feeling full feel like? Do you know what I mean? Because if we know that it takes forever, many minutes, to get from my mouth to my stomach, what are those signs? Because my friends used to make fun of me, because in college, I would pull out my napkin and put the death blanket on the meal, because I was trying to teach myself I'm getting full, and so I'm going to put the death blanket on. Maybe people are wondering what those signs are, what's their body telling them so that they can start to think about, do I need this other bite? Or can I take this home? Or can I just leave it here? Lisa Salisbury 29:54  Yeah, totally. So I teach this as what I call a hunger scale. If you were to Google that you'll see lots of different versions of them. Most go from one to 10. I use a hunger scale that goes from negative 10 through zero to positive 10. And the reason is because negative 10 is very, very hungry and positive 10 is very, very full. They are equal distant from zero, which is neutral, because they're equally uncomfortable, right? Like I said before, positive 10, being super full seems like it's fun. It seems like it's fun to be like, roll me out of this restaurant. But it's uncomfortable when we're focusing just on how we feel in our bodies and not how we're beating ourselves up in our brains about it. That's a whole nother thing. But when we just focus on our bodies, they're equally uncomfortable. And then as we get closer to that neutral, that zero, where we're neither full nor hungry, we don't feel food in the stomach. We're not feeling like pressure, but we're also not hungry at all. That's zero. We want to spend most of the time at that point, right? So you want to wait until you're at a, what I call negative three to eat. So this is true signs of physical hunger. We're like, oh, feeling really light. Very first startings of your stomach, like turning a little bit, oh, I'm empty here. The reason this is the nicest time to start eating is because if you wait and get really hungry, when you wait and you're like, at a negative seven or eight, and you're cramped up. You put food in that cramped up stomach, and it cramps worse. And then it's, do you know what I'm talking about? Lesley Logan 31:25  I do know, sorry about when you're like, yes, and also, then you're more uncomfortable, because you're almost like, you're eating faster, I don't know, like, it's like, oh my God, I just need to get this in me because I'm so famished. And then you, you don't even really, you don't even feel zero happen. You just get past it real quick. And then you're uncomfortable the other way. That's how, that's my experience.Lisa Salisbury 31:45  Totally. And so if we can catch it at just a negative three, and then we want to eat until we're at a positive three. So this is really not technical. I call this a meal. The reason I make a joke of that is because in every diet community out there, they're like, here's what to do if you're hungry, and they suggest this 100 calorie snack, 100 calorie snack packs. I mean, you get on Pinterest and you're like, snacks for weight loss. It's like, why? Why do we need a snack? If you're hungry, then we want to sit down and eat a meal. If you, if you get to the end of the day and you're like, gosh, I just was hungry all day. Look back. Did you just snack all day or did you ever wait for hunger, sit down, get out a place mat, get out a napkin, actually eat a meal until you are comfortable, and then get up and move on with your day. I guarantee, the solution for hunger and for being hungry all day is to eat a meal. Okay.Lesley Logan 32:46  Yeah, I love, I love this. I also love, I love it's like, like, not pomp and circumstance, but I really love that you're like, put a placement down, sit down, have a meal. My husband and I have lunch at not always together, but we eat our lunch at the dining room table in our house. We work from home, and we don't eat it at our desks. We eat it as much as possible at the table, with like the placemat and with the things, because it is, it's an event, and it's a pause, and it's a time to focus on that. And the next goal would be to put the phone down. That'd be great. But you know, like we're getting there, we're getting there, and I think that's an important thing. But I love that you're bringing up those, those snacks, because also, you guys, just eating a meal, or eating like half a sandwich, like making half the sandwich, you are gonna give your body exactly what it needs. It's not a distraction. Again, we're being it till we see it. If we're feeling hungry all day long, that is taking up space in your brain from other things.Lisa Salisbury 33:42  Totally. Yeah. So when you get to that positive three, here's some of the ways you're going to know it. Number one, you're going to feel like kind of a there's called a sigh. You're going to feel your body take a breath. Watch for that. That's often the time where things are shifting around. You're getting too satisfied. When you're at a positive three. You're not using the words full, stuffed. You're not feeling pressure, a lot of discomfort. You don't have to unbutton your pants. You're not wishing for stretchy pants. Okay, it's before that. So if you get to that point, you're like, oh, okay, this is, this is not a positive three. I'll try again tomorrow. It's no big deal. Experiment with this. When I assign this to my clients, when I give them the hunger scale, and I'm like, I want to see hunger scale numbers on your food journal, where they just like, write it down, you know, I was at a negative two and positive five or whatever, if they come back to me and every single meal says negative three, positive three. I'm like, I'm sorry you did not do the assignment, because the assignment is to experiment with it, which means you're going to take two bites less. You're going to leave two bites on your plate and see how that feels, and then in an hour, if you're like, yeah, actually, I really am still hungry. That wasn't quite enough. Fine. Eat more. But you can't know what your positive three is if you've been over-eating consistently, you can't really know what it is until you gradually get down to it. Yeah, the first couple days, you might overshoot, and then you might undershoot, and that's okay, because we live in a world where there is food on every corner. Right. There's no more scarcity. We don't live in caves and tribes anymore, but our brains, unfortunately, have not caught up with that and so we have to teach them that food's always available. Lesley Logan 35:30  I love your permission to experiment and be curious, because I do think it is going to require, it's part of just being curious in our bodies, and that's something I'm like, really big, and that's why I love my Pilates because it's a way for me to be curious in my body. This is about being curious, not being perfect. This is about kind of understanding, and especially if you've never figured out what portions of food are going to put you in that positive three when you come at a negative three, versus what portions of food are you going to need if you're coming to negative five, these are good information to know, because then when you go out and you pick the meal, you can actually make that decision for yourself, and you can enjoy the company you're with, as opposed to being so focused on how many bites you're having or the macros like, my God, I could never. I couldn't. My friend is a macro coach, and I try, I literally try. I lasted one day, and I'm spending more time thinking about my food than I am anything else. And no offense to people who love their macros. Again, if it's working for you, that's great. But I think that what I truly love about what you're saying here and what your mission is is really to help people go back to food being part of the connection that they're trying to make in this world, and also really understanding what their needs are and meeting their body's needs.Lisa Salisbury 36:38  Yeah, totally. And when we appreciate food for what it is and for the relationships that we're forming when we eat together, we just don't require the need of food to be our comforter, compensator, celebrator, all the things that we use food for, we can drop all of that and still enjoy food at mealtime. Still be like this food is delicious, and still, sometimes, you know, we can eat the cookie or the breads or whatever you've previously said is off limits when we are eating these things in the right portions for our body. So most of the time, you feel gross when you eat those chocolate chip cookies, not because you had one, because you had four or five.Lesley Logan 37:24  Yeah, on a full stomach, because you finished your plate. Lisa Salisbury 37:27  Yeah, yeah. Right? So we're like, oh yeah, sweets, they make me feel sick. Do they? Or did you just not leave room in your hunger scale for them? Like, if you stop, if you're like, oh hey, it's a dessert night, because, for whatever reason, you know, you made dessert or, I mean, I had fresh plums coming out my ears. We have this tree that reaches across our yard, and I swear, we get more plums than the neighbor does that actually grows the tree. And so, you know, I make a plum, a plum cobbler, so it's a dessert night. I keep that in mind when I'm eating dinner, because I'm like, I want to enjoy the plum cobbler, and so I include it as part of my hunger scale with that whole meal. Lesley Logan 38:07  Lisa, thank you for opening our eyes up, because there's a lot that we have all learned here today. It's been permission-giving and also fun and a way to be curious. And I love your hunger scale. So you've given us so much, we'll take a brief break and then find out how people can find you, follow you and work with you. Lesley Logan 38:24  All right, Lisa, where do you hang out? Where can people connect with you more?Lisa Salisbury 38:27  So mostly, I'm on Instagram that's Well_With_Lisa, well with Lisa with those spaces in there and a lot of Instagram links you back to my podcast. I share a lot of the podcast content on Instagram, and that's Eat Well, Think Well, Live Well on any of your favorite podcast platforms. Lesley Logan 38:46  Awesome. Okay, you've given us a lot. Actually, you've given us some amazing stuff. I know my overachiever perfectionists are already writing down the hunger scale, but bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it, what are some of those that you have for us? Lisa Salisbury 39:01  Okay, so I'm just all about eating the amount that's right for your body, paying no attention to food scales, paying no attention, like, to your the scale in your kitchen. So I think you can do this by just experimenting with bites. Leave two bites behind at every meal this week, and experiment with being the person who is allowed to waste food, because that's very tricky sometimes, and so one or two bites is not going to make a difference much on your hunger, but it's kind of like being it till you see it, meaning you're like, not quite using the hunger scale, but you're experimenting with it. And so that's one of my favorite challenges for my clients, is the two bite challenge. We leave two bites at dinner, every meal if you want, primarily just dinner and see how you feel, looking at that food on your plate, and then also checking in with your hunger. Maybe next week you're going to dish up two bites less. I don't know. Maybe you actually needed more food, so next week you're going to dish up two bites more. But just experiment with it and allow yourself to leave food behind and just really check in and see how that feels. Lesley Logan 40:16  I love this. I really do. I think the easy, wonderful challenge that's not going to be easy for some people, but it's going to be possible. I should say, that's going to be possible for people, it's not enough to go buy out, to go buy anything. It's something that you're already doing. And I also think how cool that once you start to figure out what you need, and each day may be different, like you might need more, might need less. It's not like you're wasting food forever. You're actually going to start to learn what you need, and so you're giving people so much permission and power and putting it back in their hands. So thank you so much, Lisa, for being here. Thank you for all of your tips. I think this is going to be really helpful. Also, I think, for parents who have kids, what a wonderful way to help them understand, you know, their own figuring out, like, how hungry are you? I had a girlfriend whose kids would come and go, hey, I'm hungry. Can I have a snack? And she's like, okay, dinner is going to be in two hours. So whatever snack you choose, make sure it's going to sustain you for two hours. Shouldn't say ruin dinner. She always would say, like, let's make sure it's going to sustain you for two hours, so we're not going to need another snack before then. And she really helped them learn, like, which choice should I have? Should I have the grapes or should I have the beef jerky? She helped them figure that out. So I think that this is really fun information that people can use in their own lives first and then also with the people around them. So thank you, Lisa. Lesley Logan 41:26  You guys, how are you going to use these tips in your life? Make sure you let Lisa know. Let the Be It Pod know. Share this with a friend who needs to have, you know that friend who, like, is annoying to go to restaurants with, that one that will only go to one restaurant because that's one that she can eat at. You can share this with her, and she won't find out till right now why you did that. So, all right, loves, until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 41:50  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. 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In this episode for the fifth anniversary of the Podcast we travel back to the Somme and look at the story behind the naming of Tara and Usna Hills overlooking La Boisselle, and discuss two First World War objects found in a Somme junk sale.Got a question about this episode or any others? Drop your question into the Old Front Line Discord Server or email the podcast.Send us a textSupport the show

Darrell Castle talks about the wars currently on-going in the world and how they are being used to form a new order of the world. Transcription / Notes THE U.S. AND RUSSIA HAVE COMMON INTERESTS Hello, this is Darrell Castle with today's Castle Report. This is Friday, the 21st day of March in the year of our Lord 2025. I will be talking about the subject I hate the most, and that is war which seems to be almost everywhere. The partial ceasefire in Ukraine, the open fire now in Gaza, and the U.S. war in the Red Sea/Gulf of Aden and Bab-el-Mandab against the Houthis. War shapes the world order and I guess it always has. For example, the military defeat of Napoleon in 1814 led to the Congress of Vienna which cemented Great Britain as the leader of the new world order instead of France. I suppose since those countries controlled the world it would be OK to call that a world war resulting in the new order which existed until World War One or 1914. The victors in WW l set the order with the formation of the League of Nations which totally collapsed when Germany decided that it would be a better world leader than Britain. The victors in World War ll formed the new order with the United States as its leader and the United Nations to cement the order permanently. The Soviet Union, which was one of the victors in WW ll didn't accept the U.S. as world leader and that resulted in a 40 year long world order which became the cold war. The end of the cold war brought an end to the Soviet Union which dissolved into the Russian Federation. The global elite of the world had to find a way to continue the struggle to feed the eternal death machine so the conflict between NATO and Russia continued. We won't move one inch closer to Russia Reagan told Gorbachev but later presidents reneged on that promise and the struggle continued. NATO was formed out of the shared belief that the Soviet Union was a direct threat to Western Europe and so an alliance pledging together that if one were attacked it would be considered an attack against all. The colonial possessions of the members were to be excepted from that deal as the French possessed Vietnam or Indochina as it was known then. That agreement didn't change much over the years and so the world order remained in a post-World War Two state of mind with the United States growing ever stronger militarily and Europe growing ever weaker. Europe was fine with it because all those countries could let their militaries deteriorate since the U.S. had their backs. The Europeans did not even live up to the paltry, relatively speaking, of 5% on defense that the NATO agreement called for. The U.S. constantly urged them to spend more but why should they because the U.S, nuclear umbrella was there to cover them. Donald Trump appeared on the scene and started his America First rhetoric exposing the obvious that the NATO agreement and the way it was enforced was extremely unfair to the U.S. The Europeans were stuck and have continued to be stuck in a 1939 mindset which told them the Russians are coming, but the Russians never came. They wanted to constantly poke the bear but they had nothing with which to defend themselves against the bear. The U.S. wanted a unipolar world with the U.S. at the head and the Europeans were fine with that as long as they could spend their tax revenue on their welfare and other social relief programs to pacify the masses. In the meantime, the U.S. and its people languished under the ever-increasing weight of 36 trillion of debt increasing by 2 trillion per year. The weight of constant wars and constantly increasing burdens of wounded veterans to care for, the people becoming ever more impoverished, the middle class driven into poverty and unpayable debt. Now, I'm taking a little poetic license here folks and speaking for Donald Trump but I think it went something like this. Trump takes office having already looked at the world and seen the order of it.

In this episode we cover subjects from how the British and Commonwealth soldier named the 'Battle of the Somme' in 1916 to how Irish soldiers on the front line in France thought about the Easter Rising in Dublin in April 1916, to the flooding of the Yser Plain in 1914 and how infantry signallers went over the top in the Great War.Got a question about this episode or any others? Drop your question into the Old Front Line Discord Server or email the podcast.Send us a textSupport the show

In our longest episode yet, we explore how World War One started - from the assassination of Franz Ferdinand to the Zimmerman Note, and everything in-between, all in one 13-minute episode.

From a recently recorded livestream on the battlefields of Ypres in Flanders, join us on a walk around the reconstructed First World War trenches in Bayernwald - 'Bavarian Wood' - called Croonaert Wood on the British trench maps.You can watch the livestream from the Bayernwald Trenches on the Old Front Line YouTube Channel.Got a question about this episode or any others? Drop your question into the Old Front Line Discord Server or email the podcast.Send us a textSupport the show

During the victory celebrations of World War One, a rising star is found dead in her bed after a suspected overdose.22-year-old Billie Carlton's death caused shockwaves across the nation, adding fuel to a growing moral panic about sex, scandal and drugs.Anthony and Maddy are joined by Virginia Berridge, Professor of History and Health Policy at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, to explore the path to drug criminalisation in postwar London following the death of Billie Carlton. Together, they uncover the extraordinary history of drugs in Soho - London's most notorious neighbourhood in the 1920s.Historic Soho has been brought to life in the new BBC show Dope Girls, which tells the story of Soho when female gangs ran the nightclubs after the First World War. You can watch it on BBC iPlayer now. All music from Epidemic Sounds.After Dark: Myths, Misdeeds & the Paranormal is a History Hit podcast.

This weeks subjects include how trenches in the First World War got their names, what happened to the pay of Missing soldiers and were men who were Prisoners of War paid at all, why did the Western Front stop at the Swiss border, and what happened to the soldiers and units positioned on the flanks of big attacks and operations?Got a question about this episode or any others? Drop your question into the Old Front Line Discord Server or email the podcast.Send us a textSupport the show

We visit the Hindenburg Line battlefields of 1917 where the Battle of Cambrai was fought. We see the battlefield around Metz-en-Couture, visit the cemetery here and grave of Patrick Shaw-Stewart, and then walk down in Gouzeaucourt seeing a rare British bunker from WW1 and a memorial to the 11th Engineers of the US Army, ending on the high ground where the Welsh Guards counter-attacked in December 1917.The book mentioned was Children of the Souls by Jeanne MacKenzie. Got a question about this episode or any others? Drop your question into the Old Front Line Discord Server or email the podcast.Send us a textSupport the show

Far from the battlefield the First World War spurred a massive increase in industrial output in the United States. Arms and armaments, ships and steel, a vast stream of materiel poured from American factories, mines, and mills to feed the insatiable maw of war. The consequent strain placed on American railroad infrastructure left it vulnerable to environmental disruption, such as that caused by the great blizzard of 1916-17. These developments marked a significant chapter in the environmental history of American industry. In this episode of the Hagley History Hangout we chat with Gerard Fitzgerald, visiting fellow at the Greenhouse Center for Environmental Humanities at the University of Stavanger and lecturer in the Department of Engineering and Society at the University of Virginia, whose latest research considers the environmental context of industrialization in the United States during World War One. In support of his work Fitzgerald has received funding from the Center for the History of Business, Technology, and Society at the Hagley Museum and Library. For more information, and more Hagley History Hangouts, visit us online at hagley.org.

Our latest Questions and Answers cover the military importance of Ypres in WW1, the French Cemetery and Memorials at Notre Dame de Lorette in Northern France, weather on the landscape of the Western Front, and the role of Women in the British Army in France and Flanders.Got a question about this episode or any others? Drop your question into the Old Front Line Discord Server or email the podcast.Send us a textSupport the show

No battles, except on the most unusual sporting field! This one has two parts. It looks firstly at the YMCA in the Middle East Theatre in World War One.  Secondly a fun look at the Imperial Camel Corps sports day in February 1918 so if you want to learn about 'The Galoot' then listen in.

Our World War was a three-part BBC Drama series for the Great War Centenary in 2014 covering the fighting at Mons in 1914, the Somme in 1916 and the Battle of Amiens in 1918. It pioneered a new approach to film making about the Great War but a decade on is it still relevant and what does it tell us about the Great War?The Paddy Kennedy interview is in the archives of the Imperial War Museum.Got a question about this episode or any others? Drop your question into the Old Front Line Discord Server or email the podcast.Send us a textSupport the show

In our latest round-up of Questions and Answers we look at Memorials to non-white soldiers on the Western Front, whether 'battle bars' were ever planned for WW1 British and Commonwealth campaign medals, the award of the 'Blue Max' to German soldiers, and were ordinary soldiers told about the explosion of huge mines like the one under Hawthorn Ridge on the Somme. Reading List:Kevin Brazier - The Complete Blue Max: A Chronological Record of the Holders of the Pour le MériteErwin Rommel - Infantry AttacksErnest Jünger - Storm of SteelChristina Holstein - Walking VerdunGot a question about this episode or any others? Drop your question into the Old Front Line Discord Server or email the podcast.Send us a textSupport the show

Is there a 'culture' surrounding The Old Front Line? One that helps define it and enables us to understand that landscape of the First World War? If so, what is it, and how can we understand it? In this episode we take a major pathway across the Western Front battlefields: the Albert-Bapaume Road on the Somme, and we discuss what the this 'culture' of The Old Front Line might be.Got a question about this episode or any others? Drop your question into the Old Front Line Discord Server or email the podcast.Send us a textSupport the show

In our first Questions and Answers Episode of Season 8 we look at 'quiet' sectors of the Western Front, whether civilians got near the battlefields, discuss the 'best' photos of WW1 and ask if Stretcher Bearers were easy prey on the front line doing their vital work.Got a question about this episode or any others? Drop your question into the Old Front Line Discord Server or email the podcast.Send us a textSupport the show

We begin Season 8 back on the Somme Battlefields of 1916 and walk the ground around the village of Mailly-Maillet, located just behind the British trenches in front of Beaumont-Hamel and Serre and later much closer to the fighting in 1918. We visit cemeteries, see original graffiti and end our walk close to the final approach to the battlefield.Got a question about this episode or any others? Drop your question into the Old Front Line Discord Server or email the podcast.Send us a textSupport the show

Tom Bodrovics welcomes back long-term contrarian investor and entrepreneur Simon Mikhailovich for a discussion centered around first principles, focusing on precious metals, commodities, economics, geopolitics, trade, and monetary matters. The conversation begins with the acknowledgement of high levels of uncertainty and complexity, making accurate forecasts challenging. Mikhailovich distinguishes between speculating on precious metals versus using them as a reserve asset. For speculation, market drivers are pertinent. However, for gold as a reserve asset, its unique property as the only financial asset without a counterparty makes it inversely correlated to confidence and trust in other people's promises. The conversation touches upon the concept of the fourth turning and where we are in this cycle. Mikhailovich underscores the significance of understanding current problems before predicting future demand for gold. He also discusses how post-World War II arrangements have led to the United States' hegemonic role economically and militarily, and the start of financialization and globalization. Mikhailovich raises concerns about understated inflation and its potential impact on real economic growth or contraction. He also highlights the lack of clear guidance from Federal Reserve Chairman Jay Powell in navigating through uncertain conditions. They explore the winners and losers of the global economy, with tactical gains for Wall Street investors, technology industries, and certain countries like China. However, working people have been losing due to job outsourcing. Mikhailovich mentions China's growing power and desire for independence from the United States as potential challenges to the current economic order. The conversation delves into geopolitical tensions in the Middle East, with borders becoming less inviolable after World War One and World War Two. The Suez Canal's declining traffic and resulting increased costs serve as an example of inflationary pressures. Mikhailovich discusses the significance of gold as a financial asset and its increasing demand, particularly from China and other countries, as a response to a loss of confidence in the global financial system. He also mentions the relationship between digital currencies like Bitcoin and the US dollar, suggesting that regulatory actions could impact their independence from the dollar and the broader financial system. Lastly, Simon emphasizes understanding the complexities, considering various data points, focusing on resiliency, and looking at first principles. Time Stamp References:0:00 - Introduction0:44 - Uncertainties & Metals4:22 - The Fourth Turning9:00 - Statistics & Reality17:00 - Wars, Rumors & Borders26:47 - Economic Fragility33:55 - Gold & Eastern Buying38:30 - Trump & U.S. Dollar41:18 - Gold & Confidence50:07 - Trump & Bond Markets53:56 - World Has Changed1:03:02 - Inflation Vs. Panic1:05:20 - Socialism & Competence1:10:02 - A Serious Situation1:13:13 - Wrap Up Talking Points From This Episode Gold as a reserve asset is inversely correlated to confidence in other people's promises. Understanding current problems before predicting future demand for gold is crucial. Concerns about understated inflation, lack of clear guidance from Jay Powell, and China's growing power pose challenges. Guest Links:Twitter: https://c.com/S_MikhailovichWebsite: https://www.bullionreserve.com Simon A. Mikhailovich is a co-founder, lead manager of The Bullion Reserve, and a director. Mr. Mikhailovich is an entrepreneur and contrarian investor who predicted and profited from the financial crises of 2000 and 2008. Before co-founding TBR in 2014, Mr. Mikhailovich co-founded Eidesis Capital, a special situations investment firm. Between 1998 and 2014, the Eidesis team deployed over $2.5B of capital through special opportunity funds focused on high yield corporate bonds and loans, credit derivatives, distressed CDOs and MBS, and gold.

December 24, 1914. In the trenches of World War One, British and German troops call a truce to celebrate Christmas together. This episode originally aired in 2021.Support the show! Join Into History for ad-free listening and more.History Daily is a co-production of Airship and Noiser.Go to HistoryDaily.com for more history, daily.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.