HR Famous

Manufacturing jobs are back on American soil. The factories are running. The roles are open. But the workers? They're missing. In this solo episode, Tim Sackett unpacks the growing gap between opportunity and desire in today's labor market. Why did generations of proud factory families embrace these jobs - and why do today's young workers turn away? From cultural shifts and education gaps to lifestyle choices and societal stigma, Tim explores the uncomfortable reasons behind this silent rejection. Is it a temporary hesitation... or a permanent shift? And if manufacturing jobs no longer inspire the next workforce, what does that mean for America's future? Connect with Us: Tim Sackett Follow Tim on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/timsackett Visit Tim's Website: hrutech.com Read Tim's Blog: ⁠⁠https://timsackett.com/

AI agents aren't coming for recruiting. They're already here - and they don't care how many reqs you filled last quarter. In this episode, Tim Sackett sits down with Jason Roberts, SVP of Tech & Analytics at Cielo, to break down what AI is actually doing inside RPOs and staffing firms - and why the old recruiting playbook is about to get torched. From sourcing automation that 5x's recruiter output to building a fully operational AI agent of yourself, Jason pulls back the curtain on the tools reshaping talent acquisition in real-time. They talk agentic workflows, how execs are chasing 50% AI-driven recruiting models, and why most CRMs still suck. The future of recruiting isn't theoretical - it's operational. And if you think your job's safe because you "build relationships"? Think again. Connect with Us: Jason Roberts Follow Jason on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jasrober Learn more about Cielo: cielotalent.com   Tim Sackett Follow Tim on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/timsackett Visit Tim's website: hrutech.com Read Tim's Blog: ⁠https://timsackett.com/

The future of recruiting isn't coming. It's already here. And if you're still relying on your legacy tech stack and spreadsheets, you're already behind. Enter Steven Jiang, CEO and Co-founder of HireEZ, who just dropped one of the most important AI launches in the recruiting space - EZ Agent, their agentic AI companion built to fundamentally reshape the recruiter's role. Forget everything you know about “copilots” and “gen AI assistants.” EZ Agent is not just another AI tool bolted onto your ATS. It's a fully-integrated, always-on agent that plans, reasons, executes, and evolves - empowering recruiters to get out of the weeds and back into real talent relationships. Steven joins Tim Sackett to break down: • Why agentic AI isn't just better - it's a whole new operating system for recruiting • How recruiters move from task managers to true talent strategists • What it means to create a white-glove candidate experience at scale • And how EZ Agent is solving the “black hole” problem by giving 100% of candidates a shot at the plate Steven's built more than a product - he's building a movement to re-humanize recruiting with AI doing the heavy lifting behind the scenes. If you care about talent, inclusion, and the future of work - this is the conversation you need to hear. Connect with Us: Steven Jiang Follow Steven on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevenhireez/ Learn more about HireEZ: https://hireez.com/ Book a Demo: https://hireez.com/customer-success/ Tim Sackett Follow Tim on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/timsackett Need Help with Technical Recruiting: https://hrutech.com/ Read Tim's Blog: https://timsackett.com/

AI isn't coming - it's here. And it's changing recruiting faster than most realize. In this crossover episode between RecTech Media and HR Famous, Chris Russell and Tim Sackett dive into the latest from Phenom's conference in Philadelphia. 2600 attendees. 25+ new AI agents rolled out. And a vision for HR tech that feels more like science fiction than reality. But what happens when AI isn't just automating tasks - it's making decisions? And if recruiters aren't the ones screening candidates, curating talent pools, or delivering feedback, what's left for them to do? Phenom is betting big on agents that can reason - detecting mistakes, providing real-time feedback, even building personalized hiring experiences. And they're not alone. Paradox and Eightfold are in the race, each taking different approaches to AI. But is all this innovation really making hiring better? Or just faster? If AI agents are handling the heavy lifting, where does that leave recruiters? And if everyone's automating, what actually sets your hiring process apart? Phenom claims they're two years ahead of the industry. But if that's true, what happens to everyone else still playing catch-up? Listen to find out why this shift in HR tech could leave even the most seasoned recruiters rethinking their entire approach. Connect with Us: Chris Russell Follow Chris on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cmrussell/ Check Out the RecTech Podcast: https://www.rectechmedia.com/podcast Tim Sackett Follow Tim on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/timsackett Visit Tim's website: https://www.hrutech.com

AI is showing up in every headline. But in the workplace? Most people still aren't sure what to do with it. Enter Cam Sackett - a social media manager from Away, and Tim Sackett's middle son. He joins HR Famous for a candid conversation on how Gen Z views AI at work, why creative teams are skeptical, and what's missing from most company rollouts. Cam shares how AI tools are marketed with bold promises but little instruction, and why “figure it out” isn't a strategy. He explains the tension between speed and trust in creative roles - and why, sometimes, knowing how to explain a phone to your grandma might make you the best person to lead AI adoption. The real question? If AI is here to stay, who's actually responsible for making it usable? One thing's clear: Gen Z isn't rejecting AI. They're just waiting for someone to make it make sense. Connect with Us: Cam Sackett LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cameronsackett/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronsackett/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@sackettc Check Out Away: https://www.awaytravel.com/ Tim Sackett LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/timsackett/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@timsackett Visit Tim's Website: hrutech.com

The workforce is shifting. Expectations are changing. And if companies aren't paying attention, they're already behind. Enter Danielle Farage, a leading voice bridging the gap between Gen Z and the workplace. She joins Tim Sackett to expose the disconnect - why leadership still doesn't understand what younger workers want, why traditional career paths are losing their appeal, and what companies need to do before they lose top talent for good. The real question? If Gen Z isn't playing by the old rules, why are companies still running the same game? Danielle breaks down the biggest shift in work culture we've seen in decades - and why most organizations aren't prepared. The companies that adapt will attract the best talent. The ones that don't may not have a future. Connect with Us: Danielle Farage Follow Danielle on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/danielle-farage Learn More About the Top Future of Work Influencer: daniellefarage.com Tim Sackett Follow Tim on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/timsackett Visit Tim's website: hrutech.com

Hiring is broken - but not for the reasons you think. Recruiters flood hiring managers with candidates, yet decision-makers hesitate to pull the trigger. The process drags, top talent walks, and organizations pay the price. Tim Sackett isn't here to sugarcoat it. In this unfiltered solo session, he lays out why the hiring machine is failing and what needs to change. From hiring managers' paradoxical indecision to the myth of "more candidates = better hires," he breaks down how talent acquisition teams have conditioned bad behavior - and why fixing it requires a shift in trust, process, and execution. Then there's Elon Musk. His blunt demand for accountability in government sent HR circles into a tailspin, but is he wrong? Sackett cuts through the noise to dissect why performance management is broken and why most leaders are afraid to ask their employees the one question that actually matters. The workforce is shifting. The hiring game is changing. If you're still playing by the old rules, you're already behind. Connect with Us: Tim Sackett Follow Tim on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/timsackett Visit Tim's website: hrutech.com

AI is infiltrating HR in ways no one's talking about - yet. The shift isn't coming. It's already here. And if you're not paying attention, you're already behind. Enter Madeline Laurano, a leading analyst who's been tracking AI's silent takeover of HR technology. She joins Tim Sackett to break down what's really happening beneath the surface - how AI agents are replacing traditional workflows, why the old way of hiring is crumbling, and what the biggest players like Workday and LinkedIn are doing to stay ahead. The real question? If AI is making HR more efficient, what happens to the humans still doing the job? Madeline unpacks the biggest shift in HR technology we've seen in decades - and why most organizations aren't prepared. The companies that adapt will redefine work. The ones that don't may not have a future. Connect with Us: Madeline Laurano Follow Madeline on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/madelinelaurano Learn more about Aptitude Research: aptituderesearch.com Tim Sackett Follow Tim on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/timsackett Visit Tim's website: hrutech.com

Marcus Stewart, Professor and Department Chair at Bentley University, has been studying workforce dynamics for years - and now, he's watching the DEI movement take a nosedive while Gen Z struggles to find its footing in the workplace. In this episode, Marcus joins me to break down two of the biggest workplace shifts happening right now: the quiet rollback of DEI initiatives and why so many companies are unimpressed with their Gen Z hires. Is DEI truly dying, or is it just evolving? And when it comes to the next generation of workers, is the issue with Gen Z - or are we the problem? With deep expertise in organizational behavior and leadership, Marcus brings candid insights into how shifting workplace expectations, economic realities, and cultural shifts are reshaping how companies hire, retain, and develop talent. If you're wondering what's next for work, this episode is for you. Connect with Us: Marcus Stewart Follow Marcus on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/marcusstewart Tim Sackett Follow Tim on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/timsackett Visit Tim's website: hrutech.com

Jon Stross, Co-founder and CEO of Greenhouse, has been making headlines - but not for the reasons you'd expect. In this episode, Jon joins Tim Sackett to tackle the growing problem of 'ghost jobs,' those elusive listings that leave candidates feeling duped and disheartened. But are companies really out to deceive, or is there more beneath the surface? Jon guides us through the murky waters of hiring practices, from misunderstood job postings to the real reasons candidates get left in the dark. With candid insights from his recent Wall Street Journal feature and a deep dive into Greenhouse's data, Jon doesn't just spotlight the problem - he's working on solutions that could change the game for job seekers and recruiters alike. If you've ever applied for a job and heard nothing back, this one's for you. Connect with Us: Jon Stross Follow Jon on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jonstross Learn more about Greenhouse: greenhouse.com Tim Sackett Follow Tim on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/timsackett Visit Tim's website: hrutech.com

On episode 116 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Madeline Laurano, Jessica Lee, and Tim Sackett come together to discuss their favorite Super Bowl commercials, Chat GPT, and how you can utilize AI to be a better leader. Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)! :30 - JLee had Chat GPT write an intro for this episode! It didn't do a good job the first time, so she had it do a second pass to make it funnier.  2:00 - The crew didn't think the Super Bowl commercials of 2023 were too exciting. Madeline and JLee's favorite was the Clueless one, and Tim shouted out the Workday and Dunkin commercials 7:30 - Another podcast, another convo about Chat GPT and AI. Microsoft Bing is trying to become the top browser again, and JLee is on a waitlist to use the program.  10:00 - Tim's 2023 keynote is all about the future of recruiting with AI. He thinks that the only limit of what AI can do in TA is the limit of our imaginations.  14:15 - Tim speaks to the importance of narration with AI. With AI, you have to be the expert on your topic, but you don't have to produce anymore.  17:00 - Madeline thinks another area that AI will completely change is travel. Imagine traveling and having the whole trip planned by AI.  20:00 - Madeline is surprised that we haven't seen more people talking about AI and Chat GPT in the TA space. She thinks some people may feel threatened by the topic.  23:45 - JLee runs through examples of how to use AI to help handle a tough situation with an emotional employee.  27:00 - JLee talks about how being open and not intimidated by AI can allow you to use it as leverage and become better.  She uses a Teams tool that critiques how she speaks on calls and helps her improve the words she chooses.  31:00 - Tim thinks that Microsoft is the winner of the future of HR tech.  

On episode 115 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Madeline Laurano, Jessica Lee and Tim Sackett come together to discuss Ted Lasso, the everchanging recruiter experience, and Tim's experience with the Michigan State shooting. Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)! 1:45 - Ted Lasso season 3 is on the horizon! The crew gives their prediction for the new season coming in March.  4:00 - Madeline and Tim did a roundtable recently about recruiter experience. Tim doesn't think it matters anymore, and JLee asks Tim to define it.  8:00 - Madeline mentions that a lot of people don't know what recruiters do. Tim says that recruiting is the job that everyone thinks they can do.  9:15 - Tim says that when he was running TA at larger companies, senior leadership felt very comfortable giving advice to him about how to recruit, even though their advice was unfounded.  12:00 - JLee and Tim talk about how being a recruiter isn't one of the hardest jobs that one could have. There are a lot of other jobs that require a lot out of the people who hold those positions.  15:30 - Madeline brings up a study they did at Disney where they found that the most important position at all of the Disney parks was the street sweepers.  18:30 - Tim's opinion is that Chat GPT is going to change the landscape of everything in TA & recruiting. He says that the only thing that can't be replaced by AI is the real conversation a recruiter has with a candidate.  21:30 - Madeline mentions a company who measures their recruiter productivity by getting them to “inbox zero”. She says she could never be a recruiter if this is a standard she was held to.  24:00 - Tim and JLee say they'd never judge one of the people they manage by the number of emails in their inbox. JLee judges people by the battery level of their devices.  27:30 - Tim's son goes to Michigan State, and he runs a business in Lansing. He talks about his experience with and the aftermath of the shooting that happened on campus recently.  36:15 - Madeline asks Tim what he did about closing his business in the aftermath. Tim said that his Teams work groups were very active around the time of the shooting  

On episode 114 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Jessica Lee and Tim Sackett come together to discuss their favorite (and least favorite) Oscar-nominated movies, the difficulty of finding childcare, and how to handle annoying entry-level job tasks. Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)! 1:00 - Madeline isn't here because of last-minute child needs. Tim's an empty nester and he says his kids' still interrupt his life!  2:45 - It's awards season and JLee and Tim are on the opposite ends of the spectrum on a big frontrunner, Everything Everywhere All At Once. Tim thought it was terrible, and JLee adores it. (Producer Cam, Tim's son, is here to say Tim is horribly wrong, sorry Dad!!!). 7:30 - JLee diagnoses Tim with a savior complex which prevents him from watching/liking a lot of media. He's a papa bear! 9:00 - JLee shouts out the Banshees of Inisherin. She says it's one of the strangest movies she's seen in a long time but also one of the best.  11:30 - This Wall Street Journal article has documented how childcare numbers haven't recovered to pre-pandemic levels. Tim asks JLee if there are any things that JLee's company is doing to help combat the loss of childcare.  16:00 - Tim has an idea to replicate Uber surge pricing with childcare to help out the childcare companies and also help those who have flexibility with their working situations.  19:00 - JLee notes that her colleagues know that when she's working from home, there will most likely be children walking in her background. She gets good feedback from her team about the involvement of her kids in her work life.  23:30 - KD sent in an article about a congressperson's staffer who has filed complaints against their boss. They felt like they were being taken advantage of. Tim reminisces on the things that he was asked to do when he was in entry-level jobs.  26:45 - Tim notes that a lot of the complaints over being asked to complete these kinds of tasks depend on who the person asking is. A specific person can make these tasks feel meaningful.  29:30 - Tim's advice to entry-level/young people in careers is to be one of the last few people to leave the office. He warns against being “the early person” in the office and urges them to become the late person.  32:30 - Tim wants a “scoreboard” of badge swipes into the office. He thinks everyone will be in the office as soon as that's implemented.   

On episode 113 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Jessica Lee and Tim Sackett come together to discuss Chat GPT and Tim's utopian view if remote employees are more or less engaged and how we should be doing holiday parties.  Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)! 2:00 - Tim said he needs to add stretching to his New Year's resolution list.  3:15 - Tim is extremely fascinated by Chat GPT (which may or may not take over this podcast). JLee tested it with her husband when she asked Chat GPT to write a Thank You letter after a job interview.  7:00 - JLee thinks it's really fascinating when Chat GPT is looked at as a tool as a Kickstarter for writing in a business format. Madeline mentioned in a previous episode how editing and revision might become more important in the future instead of writing. 11:00 - On a basic level, JLee thinks there will be a behavior change from talking to an AI/chatbot as a “machine” to talking to them as you would a normal person.  15:00 - Tim has a utopian hope of the world with AI. He thinks it will be able to free us from our work and give us back time to dedicate to our families, ourselves, and our world.  17:30 - Harvard Business Review released an article (with a very bad title, according to Tim) titled “No, Remote Employees Aren't Becoming Less Engaged.” They pulled data from Teams and Outlook and found that remote employees have more meetings, and thus, they're more engaged.  19:30 - JLee loves HBR and still gets HBR in the mail. She thinks that engagement being defined by meetings is a silly proposition.  21:30 - Tim says that everyone will fall differently on the productivity spectrum in regard to remote work. He thinks you can't make a sweeping generalization about whether it's more or less productive to work remotely.  24:00 - JLee notes that she's been focusing on “meeting fatigue” and how to get creative on who needs to be in meetings and how many meetings actually need to be happening.  26:15 - The holiday season is right behind us, and many companies have recently gotten through layoffs. Tim notes that office parties and bonuses have been things on the chopping block. Tim asks the question, “can we have good employee experience events without spending a lot of money?”.  28:00 - JLee says that it comes down to what employees really care about. Do we really want holiday parties?  31:20 - Tim asked Chat GPT if employees like holiday parties. It gave a pretty good response!

On episode 112 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Jessica Lee, Madeline Laurano, and Tim Sackett come together to discuss what they're hoping to learn in 2023, the extra burden placed on women in Executive level roles, and unrealistic hopes for pay increases.  Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)! 1:00 - JLee asks the crew what is one thing that they want to learn in 2023.  JLee has only ridden a bike a few times, and she wants to master riding a bike this year. Madeline's goal is to get better at golfing.  4:15 - Tim is taking his Jewish family to Israel this year. His youngest son, Cooper, is learning Hebrew at school, and Tim wants to learn some of that language.  6:15 - JLee brings up an article from Fortune about women in C-Suite or Executive level positions and how they may have to pay a lot of money on childcare and household help. JLee asks Madeline if we are talking about this topic enough.  8:50 - Madeline tells a story about her son, who had a female friend over. She told the kids she just needed to take some time to clean up and her son's friend said to her, “don't you have a cleaner?”.  11:30 - Tim mentions how when his mom was starting her business, she hired Tim's Grandma to come to clean the house while she worked.  14:00 - Madeline thinks that there is more stigma around people hiring for childcare help than household help. 16:45 - Tim wonders how much of this is American culture vs. culture from all around the world. He mentions how shocked he was when he visited South Africa, and he saw how much help middle-class white families had for their everyday life.  20:30 - Lesson of the day: parenting is not easy and it's near impossible to do it all by yourself!  21:30 - Bloomberg reported on the unrealistic high hopes that employees have for pay hikes in the new year. JLee asks the crew if they are seeing this in the workplace.  24:45 - Madeline notes how it still is an employee/candidate first market due to the number of jobs available. She does think that due to the layoffs happening across the workforce, the behavior of asking for raises may change.  29:00 - JLee notes that any publicly traded company has to listen to its shareholders and what they think is best for the business. A big question for these companies is, “who are we in service to?”.  31:30 - When can you stop saying Happy New Year? Madeline thinks she could go to 1/30, but Tim only gives it two weeks. 

On episode 111 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Jessica Lee, Madeline Laurano, and Tim Sackett come together to discuss 2022 and give their thoughts about this year in HR and talent.  Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)! 1:00 - Tim asks the crew what their favorite TV show, movie, or book from 2022 was. Madeline is a big Euphoria fan, JLee loved Ted Lasso, and Tim couldn't choose one (House of Dragon, Peaky Blinders. 2022 was a great year for TV! 8:00 - The crew name some of their favorites (Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow is Madeline's). Tim loves Talent by Tyler Cowen.  10:00 - JLee tried to get Cowen to come speak at a Marriott event and she found that he isn't too fond of HR folks. She wants to dig in with him and see his real feelings about people who work in HR.  12:00 - It's time for the HR and talent year in review! JLee mentions the transition from The Great Resignation into Quiet Quitting. She found that we can get worked up over things that end up not being as noteworthy in the long run.  14:00 - Tim tried to make “The Big Regret” happened but it never took off… 16:50 - Tim thinks that the HR and talent community needs someone that we can trust for facts and information. He shouts out Roy from SHRM for his journalism work.  19:00 - Madeline brings up how the biggest topic that isn't being discussed in HR is the rise of freelancing within the job market. She notes that by 2030, 50% of an organization's workforce will be freelancers.  24:00 - Tim says that he thinks there has been a de-emphasis on DEI in 2022. Madeline thinks that within the HR technology space, DEI wasn't the hot topic of the year. JLee notes that in 2020 there were so many topics culturally that forced the conversations around DEI to be at the forefront.  26:00 - As we look ahead to 2023, Tim asks the team what points of emphasis he sees coming to the head. Madeline thinks the skills conversation has surprised her in its prominence. She thinks it's the topic that everyone is obsessed with.  28:00 - Tim asks JLee where they are at Marriott with skills. She thinks that organizations can be intimidated by the topic and that people are over contemplating where to get started.  31:30 - JLee's focus for 2023 is AI and how it will affect content creation.

On episode 109 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett and Kris Dunn come together to discuss the rise of tech layoffs, Elon Musk's acquisition of Twitter, and how to be a recession-proof recruiter.  Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)! 1:30 - Tim shares that it feels like the world is on fire with tech layoffs everywhere around us. KD says Marriott is still hiring strong. KD is finding that the “recession” is impacting particular industries more than others unlike any other recession before.  4:30 - Tim shares some stats around hiring and unemployment. The projected unemployment rate isn't expected to increase that much in the next 10 years. Tim notes that we're not making enough people to fill jobs.  6:40 - KD has a rising senior in college and he is nervous about an impending recession so he made a move to secure a job at a past employer for post-grad.  11:40 - As we all know, Elon Musk bought Twitter and gutted the Twitter staff. There have been a lot of rumors swirling around that Twitter is on the edge of shutting down any day.  16:00 - Elon made an email to the Twitter employee saying that it's going to be a hard place to work at. KD references Tony Hsieh from Zappos when he would give his employees money to leave if their company wasn't for them.  20:00 - Tim notes that these are mature companies, not start-ups and they have to be cognizant of their burn rates.  21:45 - Tim asks KD what recruiters aren't going to lose their jobs. KD notes that it will be highly dependent on the type of positions being recruited for and the culture of the company they work for but ultimately, it depends on how many positions they close.  24:20 - Another trait that KD notes in a recession-proof recruiter is the handling of a hiring manager relationship. This depends on how they handle updates and how they help and influence the efficiency of the process. Tim also thinks it's important to have the skill set of an HR generalist.  29:30 - Tim thinks it's vital to be visible as an employee. Although that doesn't mean you have to be in the office, you have to put yourself out there in whatever space you're in. 

On episode 108 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Jessica Lee, Madeline Laurano, and Tim Sackett come together to discuss problematic executives, all the functions HR serves, and Tim's campus recruiting experience! Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)! 1:00 - JLee asks the crew what famous movies they haven't seen that they should see. JLee has never seen The Shining or Princess Bride.  4:20 - JLee mentions the news of a senior Apple executive due to him making a vile joke in a TikTok video. This viral TikTok format asks people how much money they make and what they do for work.  7:15 - Madeline brings up a similar situation in the Boston Celtics coach getting fired for having an affair with one of his co-workers.  11:00 - JLee and Madeline are the cool moms in town! 13:00 - JLee brings up the extra functions that HR often gets assigned to, like party and events planning. She thinks that this could be a failure upon managers and leaders for not taking accountability in something like career growth for their employees.  16:00 - Tim talks about the 3 responsibilities he sees for a people manager: fiscal responsibility, building a well-rounded team, and maintaining and developing that well-rounded team. Then, HR can help support these functions in whatever way they can.   22:30 - Tim asks the question “why would you outsource the most important thing to your company” while talking about RPOs and outsourcing recruiting.  27:00 - Madeline brings up the trauma of the 2021 hiring craze and how this may impact the job security of recruiters. Tim talked about a company that he talked to that re-positioned their recruiters when there was a downturn in their company, so they didn't have to lay anyone off.  30:30 - JLee mentions that the people who stayed on at Marriott during the pandemic were the “swiss army knives”, the people who were versatile and could fit in anywhere.  31:30 - Madeline asks if people will seek out being a recruiter or if it will be seen as a stepping stone to different jobs. Tim thinks that more colleges and universities will develop programs for recruiters and the importance of recruiters at companies will grow.  34:00 - Anyone want to see a sitcom about Tim's campus recruiting experience??

On episode 107 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Jessica Lee, Madeline Laurano, and Tim Sackett come together to discuss all things 2022 HR Tech! 1:30 - Tim has recently been on the conference circuit, and he loves the in-person energy! 2:00 - JLee was recently speaking at an event, and she was asked for pictures after her talk. She asks the crew what to do in that situation.  7:30 - Tim and Madeline went back to HR Tech and felt the big energy at the conference. Madeline says the expo was bigger than she's ever seen 11:45 - Madeline says that the Women In Tech sessions were so packed that they couldn't let anyone else in!  14:45 - Tim asks JLee what would get her to come to HR Tech on a regular basis. She says that she doesn't know if she would since she's so inundated with content and pitches from vendors and it would feel duplicative for her to go to a vendor event.  17:40 - Tim thinks it's a mistake by vendors to try and influence big VPs and CHROs rather than talking to director and manager levels about their products who are actually in the trenches.  21:45 - Tim and Madeline are really excited by some up-and-coming texting technologies, especially for frontline workers.  25:45 - Madeline calls out some providers who are doing the workaround skills, but she notes that there are some start-ups and ATS's who are lumped in that maybe shouldn't be.  29:00 - Tim asks the crew what these HR conferences are missing. JLee thinks that the conferences should provide a deck for attendees to take back to their teams and share what they learned.  34:20 - Can we pick a better place for HR conferences? JLee is sick of Vegas, but Tim and Madeline think it's hard to host anywhere else because of the size of the conferences.  35:30 - Tim shares a story about the “BFF Happy Hour,” where Kyle Lagunas came in and started the whole party. Tim and Madeline had to play mom and dad in order to keep the event in check.

On episode 106 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Madeline Laurano and Tim Sackett with special friend Kyle Lagunas come together to discuss Global TA day, the first people to be laid off in a recession, and why recruiters won't be laid off as quickly as we think.  Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)! 1:00 - Welcome to the pod, Kyle Lagunas! JLee is a busy gal and is out this week.  3:30 - Tim asks if they go to the grocery store or if they get their food delivered. Kyle likes his time at the market, and Madeline tries to do delivery.  5:00 - Tim has a whole setup for his Global TA Day: prizes, ice cream social, lunch & learns, and more!  7:00 - Tim put up a LinkedIn post leaning into “hustle porn” and ripped on quiet quitters and how he can't wait to pass them. Kyle says he's going to rip him to shreds.  9:30 - Business Insider, a pod favorite, put out an article about the first to be laid off in an economic downturn. The categories offered are recent hires, high earners, Millennials,  12:30 - Madeline talks about why she thinks recent hires may not be fired as quickly as they suggest due to the re-skilling turnover.  15:30 - Tim talks about how Ford had a pretty major layoff, but it was for a very specific reason, the emphasis on EVs.  19:00 - Madeline brings up how we're still writing and talking about Millennials as if they're kids. Many Millennials are 40 or pushing it.  21:15 - Tim and his oldest son told a guy they were golfing with that, “I didn't get good until my Dad stopped coaching me.” Tim said it was a dagger to the heart.  23:00 - This list shares that recruiters are the most likely to be laid off. The crew is quite surprised that this is still the case in a world where companies are having a lot of trouble hiring recruiters.  26:00 - Kyle is really worried about the ramifications that something like this list could have. He says that morale is really low in the TA space, and this could force people to leave the profession.  29:00 - Madeline is surprised that there is nothing on this list about the number of hours worked per day. She thinks there is a signifier in the likelihood of being laid off with the number of hours worked per day.  33:00 - Tim thinks one of the hardest things is to plan a workforce, and HR can struggle at interpreting data and inputs to plan accordingly.

On episode 105 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Madeline Laurano, Jessica Lee, and Tim Sackett come together to discuss work spouses, length of service awards, and the best new candle to buy as a gift! Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)! 2:00 - Tim's headed on a summer vacation to the Cayman Islands. Although it'll be hot, he'll be by the ocean! 5:00 - JLee loves these candles, and Tim sent a cheeky one to the crew. 7:20 - JLee asks Tim about his 2 work wives. They've been working with him for over 10 years and have been through a lot together. She wonders how he has work wives when he's in charge of the company. 1 0:00 - Madeline said her work relationships have changed since she started her firm. Now, her work wives/husbands are other industry people, not people that work for and with her. 12:30 - Tim talks about someone who he worked for a long time with that left recently and how her leaving was a lot harder than he expected. 15:00 - JLee brings up the topic of “length of service” awards and how people want to be recognized. She asks the crew what we should be doing with these awards. 18:30 - Madeline did research in 2021 if they had received any recognition in that year for their work. She found that only ½ employees received a “thank you” in the first year of the pandemic. 21:30 - Tim likes the “points” system where you give out other recognition gifts and points to people you find doing a good job at the company. 24:00 - JLee notes a study where at their hotels, smaller gestures are more impactful and meaningful than really big events and “wows” that require a lot of time and work. 25:30 - Amazon color-coded their badges to reflect how long they've been at the company. JLee says that they got a lot of hate for this, but Tim says that he likes the idea. 30:00 - Tim mentions that when he's doing recognition with his team, he tries to get them something they would never get for themselves and something that is really high quality. He thinks recognition gifts should be good quality regardless of price point.

On episode 104 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Madeline Laurano, Jessica Lee, and Tim Sackett come together to discuss catalogs, the follow-up to The Great Recession, and Tesla's latest drama.  Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)! 2:15 - Does anyone still get catalogs? Tim and Madeline still get tons sent to their houses.  4:30 - Tim thinks that a mailer would work well as a recruitment tactic, even better than email or texting.  5:15 - Tim shares a story that he's going to put in his book! You heard it here first, folks.  8:30 - Tim's story revolves around a marketing study where they asked a community what the top realtor in their area was. They created a fake realtor, did some marketing, and then re-asked the community who the top realtor is.  10:00 - Studies are showing that a large number of people who left their jobs during The Great Resignation are regretting their decision to leave their previous position. Madeline thinks that these shifts were pay driven and people didn't take into account other factors.  13:40 - Tim said he had regrets when he left Applebee's. Although it seemed like the right decision, he felt the repercussion of the decision almost instantly.  20:30 - Tim was at SHRM a few weeks ago and a lot of the discussions had “The Great Recession” in their title.  21:30 - Tesla and Elon Musk are tracking office attendance by following the “office ID swipe ins”. If you can't come in, employees are supposed to email in a message that they won't be in office today. Tim thinks this is draconian and feels very similar to calling in sick for your kids at school.  24:45 - Tim says that he's embarrassed by the amount of people he's had to fire by “pulling swipes”.  30:00 - JLee hired someone recently that was affected by the Tesla layoffs and the new hire said that the reports of the layoffs are pretty accurate.  33:00 - JLee mentions how often when layoffs are happening, HR professionals are given scripts for legal reasons but there are ways to make it seem more human and empathetic.  36:30 - Madeline was a part of an analyst firm where there were secret talks about layoffs and she felt like they handled it poorly in comparison to JLee's Marriot example. 

On episode 103 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Madeline Laurano, Jessica Lee, and Tim Sackett come together to summer vacation, whether hiring is slowing down or not, and the type of LinkedIn posts that go viral.  Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)! 2:00 - It's officially summer! Madeline asks the crew about their OOO response messages. All 3 of them are not users of an OOO message because they're all workaholics!  4:30 - JLee mentions she's seen some really clever OOO messages but also some very sparse ones. She wants more info! 7:15 - Tim asks JLee and Madeline what their kids do in the summer. Madeline sends her kids to summer day camp but she used to go to an 8-week overnight camp. JLee's kids both won camper of the day at their day camp.  9:30 - Madeline brings up a roundtable she did with Tim about an upcoming recession and hiring. She asks the crew what's going on with hiring practices, specifically tech hiring.  13:00 - Madeline mentions that the layoffs happening seem to mostly be due to routine business practices and actions rather than preparing for a potential economic downturn.  17:20 - Madeline notes that a lot of the conversation about layoffs and the recession are being driven by emotional LinkedIn posts that are going viral. She thinks it's become a “Dear Diary” type of platform for long, emotional posts.  20:00 - Shout out to Madison Butler who Tim thinks does social media better than anybody in the recruiting/HR space. She has her format down! 23:30 - JLee was visiting Seattle and she saw a homeless person with their dog. She wanted to help and get them some food and the person gave really intense directions. It's a perfect LinkedIn story! 28:00 - Tim says that another LinkedIn hack is to post original video. Share those videos people! 29:45 - Tim raises a competition with the rest of the crew: they have to try and hack LinkedIn and post an emotional story and get the most engagement.

On episode 102 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Madeline Laurano, Jessica Lee, and Tim Sackett come together to discuss hiring reality TV stars, ghosting of new hires, and if ghosting in the dating world is seeping into the work world.  Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)! 1:30 - JLee asks the crew what they've been watching recently. Madeline tried watching Ozark again because she wasn't into it the first time. 3:15 - Now for the trash TV! Madeline and JLee are watching The Ultimatum and are loving it.  7:45 - JLee is really curious about who the people on reality TV shows do in their real lives. She asks the crew if being on a reality show disqualifies them from being hired for a job.  11:30 - Tim is concerned about retention because he assumes this type of person is just waiting for the next big show to come around.  15:00 - Tim mentions that this is similar to star college athletes that may not be good enough to go pro. He says that those who stay local may have that past celebrity status.  16:45 - JLee found an article in The Wall Street Journal about the rise of ghosting with new hires. Madeline mentions that she thinks we're going to see this for a bit longer but may pass when or if a recession hits.  21:30 - Tim got killed on Twitter for talking about the importance of a 2 week notice. He says that ghosting your employer will follow you.  25:00 - Tim demoed a new preboarding software that gives a buddy to a new hire to hopefully retain the new employees at your organization.  28:00 - Madeline wonders if mental health is playing a factor with new hires not showing up for onboarding especially with the heightened struggles of the last 2 years.  32:00 - The article discusses how a younger generation is used to ghosting in the dating world and it could be seeping into the work world. JLee wonders if they're grasping with this extrapolation. 

On episode 101 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Madeline Laurano, Jessica Lee, and Tim Sackett come together to discuss paper straws, female breadwinners, and how people react when a husband cooks more for his family than his wife. Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)! :30- Starting off hot with Tim taking a stance against paper straws. He hates them and the crew agrees.  2:00 - Tim did some research to back up his anti-paper straw stance. He found out that 330 million plastic straws are used in the US everyday.  4:20 - Madeline mentions Tom Brady's crazy tirade on straws a few hours ago. She says you can see Gisele's influence . 8:00 - Tim's wife thinks the best straws are McDonald's. JLee loves Wendy's and the wide bubble tea straws.  10:30 - The BBC came out with a study about the woman in a relationship being the breadwinner. The study found that women who are the breadwinner actually do more housework.  13:45 - Madeline says that when her kids were babies, she wanted to do all the baby things and it's translated to more when her kids have gotten older.  16:00 - JLee wonders if this is self-imposed. She thinks that if a woman is in a high-stress, important job that they may have the personality traits of someone who may want things done a certain way in the household.  20:30 - Another piece of this study showed that 30% of females are the breadwinner of their household. This is a number that will continue to grow. He asks if there will ever be a time where men start to do the majority of the housework. 24:30 - Tim mentions that he comes from a family of cooks and he cooked more in the house. He said her family were beside themselves that Tim cooked for the family and his wife didn't alway have to do it. 27:15 -  JLee mentioned parts of the article that discuss a conversion in a couple where a woman makes more than her male partner. She talks about her own experience with that conversation.  30:20 - Tim talks about how society is going to have to get used to stay-at-home Dads and women being the main earners for their families. 

On episode 100 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Kris Dunn, Jessica Lee, and Tim Sackett come together for their 100th episode! They discuss what they remember, what they struggled with and what they loved in doing 100 episodes of HR Famous together! Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)! 2:45 - KD couldn't stay away! He's back for the extra special 100th episode.  5:00 - Many of the HR Famous episodes are about the differences of life during the pandemic. Tim talked about the difference of COVID caution between going to a college basketball game and a Broadway show. 8:30 - JLee just said that her daughter is now going to elementary school (for the first time) without a mask!  10:45 - Tim asks the crew what they've learned doing 100 podcast episodes. JLee said that she's learned to have an opinion and it's helped her in her career development. On the flip side, she's learned how to see both sides of an issue.  12:45 - KD asks Tim and JLee if they made any changes to how they speak after the first episodes. JLee said she tries to start fewer sentences with “well” or “so”. KD tried to be crisper with his speaking cadence.  16:30 - KD says the text group should be a podcast. Release the messages! 18:30 - Is KD the most guarded on the podcast? Tim says so and JLee thinks that could be true. Tim says it's his political savviness that leads this.  20:00 - Any other flat pillow lovers? JLee is a flat pillow person. KD likes a fluffy pillow you can sink into.  22:30 - JLee asks the crew what episode they thought was interesting and offered a different perspective. JLee's answer is Episode 79 - Why Are Males Increasingly Opting Out Of College.  25:00 - Tim and KD are still bitter that Gary V requested to connect with JLee on LinkedIn instead of them. JLee is still pining for him to come on the pod! 28:00 - Episode 66 - Geriatric Millennials and HR Influencer Lists is still a point of contention! 31:00 - Tim asks the question “who did you learn the most from?”. Tim says KD because he always thinks he knows what he's going to say but he comes in with different takes often.   

On episode 99 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Madeline Laurano, Jessica Lee, and Tim Sackett come together to discuss our new co-host, mailing lists, and periods in the workplace! Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)! 2:00 - We have a new co-host! We're excited to welcome Madeline Laurano to the HR Famous family.  4:15 - Madeline is an analyst on TA and HR tech. She's been in the game for 20 years and started her firm, Aptitude Research 7 years ago.  6:20 - Any remember of the days of blogger vs. analyst? The good ole days.  9:30 - JLee gets upset when she makes a “new friend” and then all of a sudden, she's on their mailing list.  10:30 - JLee asks the crew if they check who unsubscribes from their mailing list. Madeline gets an email every time someone removes themselves from her mailing list.  14:30 - The lost episode is unfortunately lost for good :(  16:00 - JLee references the lost episode which was centered around an older man writing into a help column asking what to do when their younger female co-workers talk about their periods in the workplace.  19:00 - JLee's first reaction to the period PTO is that women are more productive so they'll make up for their time off but then, she started to think about women being treated differently and other logistical issues.  20:30 - Madeline mentions a company in Sweden that asked their female employees to track their menstrual cycle in an Excel spreadsheet.  24:30 - JLee found a Wikipedia page for menstrual leave.  27:30 - Tim mentions how a lot of these benefits stem from paid family leave and how other countries are really passing the US with their family leave benefits.  28:45 - Madeline ran a study at her firm and they found that only 11% of participants were comfortable talking about childcare at work.  32:00 - Madeline mentions how when she was nursing, she had to pump in a dark utility closet where she had to bring a flashlight in to see.  36:00 - Tim mentions that in his 30 year HR career, he has never had a period-related issue with a high performing female.   

On episode 98 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discussl coffee rules of the office, KD's new job, and changes to the podcast! Listen below (click this link if you don't see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)! SHOW HIGHLIGHTS: 1:30 - KD still isn't playing Wordle. Quite late to the party still… 3:30 - Dawn Burke sent the crew her husband's coffee routine. This made Tim wonder when free coffee at work became a thing. He wants free Diet Mountain Dew at work! 6:30 - Tim has some observations as a non-coffee drinker. He observes the dynamics of bad coffee makers vs. good coffee makers.  8:50 - KD recently visited Tim's home base in Lansing, MI. He thought it was a lot smaller than Tim makes it sound.  11:20 - Big announcement! KD accepted a new job at Marriott, joining JLee! He's staying in Alabama but visiting Bethesda, MD every couple of weeks.  14:15 - KD says that he didn't do the LinkedIn post that talks about leaving a company but without giving an update. JLee and Tim hate those posts.  17:30 - In the very first episode of this podcast, KD got hate from JLee for saying Marriott wrong. It's Marriott, like a chariot.  22:45 - KD has noticed that some partners at Marriott have been eager to come to Birmingham instead of having him go into the DC area. He says he's fine to travel to them instead of hosting others.  29:00 - Next big announcement of the pod, KD is going to be leaving. JLee and Tim are going to continue on with the mission! He's leaving but not gone forever.  

On episode 97 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Kris Dunn, Jessica Lee, and Tim Sackett come together to discuss Station Eleven, standing desk etiquette, and the phenomenon of life coaching. Be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)! 1:45 - Any Station Eleven fans? Tim feels some kinship because it takes place around his home, the Great Lakes.  5:30 - JLee remembers KD's commitment to do 100 pull ups a day. He says he doesn't do them everyday but he can do 120-150 reps. 7:30 - JLee asks a question about work from home etiquette. She was on a call with someone that was at a standing desk. She felt like the person standing was being imposing. 12:30 - Anyone else eat spaghetti on Zoom? JLee does. And tomato soup… 13:00 - Coaching is all the rage. JLee asks why it's so popular and who the type of person is that becomes a coach. Tim thinks it's all the boomers that early-retired during the pandemic.  17:00 JLee wonders when a coach is even necessary and if an AI bot would just be a better option to chat.  19:00 - Tim went to a coach once and he just felt like all the coach was doing was agreeing with what he was already thinking and doing.  21:45 - KD wonders what percentage of coaches can actually deliver what someone needs. He thinks only 10-20%.  24:45 - JLee wonders why people want to separate the pay conversation from a performance review. Tim agrees and doesn't understand it either.  28:00 - Tim's first pay increase in a corporate environment was 3% and he was furious. He couldn't wrap his head around it.  32:00 - KD starts doing a mock performance review/pay conversation with JLee. The pay will never be what you want.  34:00 - KD says people don't contrast good vs. great enough.   

On episode 96 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss a reported uptick in Glassdoor reviews mentioning inflation and the power dynamics (or lack thereof) of making someone use your Calendly scheduler. Listen below (click this link if you don't see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)! SHOW HIGHLIGHTS: 3:00 - JLee's dry January quickly devolved into drinking wine on a Wednesday. She just finished Station Eleven and is watching And Just Like That.  5:20 - Tim has been loving season 2 of Righteous Gemstones. He says it's his guilty pleasure.  9:00 - KD recommends Southside on HBO Max. He calls it “lighter fare” in comparison to the post-apocalyptic Station Eleven.  11:45 - KD found a Twitter thread from an economist about the rising concern from employees about inflation and how it affects their pay. KD asks JLee how much concern there actually is about inflation.  18:00 - Tim doesn't think the average Glassdoor reviewer is mentioning raises due to inflation but the average employe e may be discussing inflation while asking for a raise.  21:20 - KD poses a situation to Tim where an employee comes in and tells him that his company's pay isn't keeping up with inflation.  23:20 - Next topic: the power dynamics of using automated calendars. KD mentions this tweet about the etiquette behind Calendly.  26:00 - Tim doesn't get how it's a power play for someone to send a meeting link to someone else for a pre-arranged meeting. JLee offers a different power play scenario that fits the bill.  28:30 - If you click a Calendly link, does that make you somebody's b****? JLee and Tim don't see what the big deal is. They also both do not use an automated calendar system.  33:00 - KD says that the person that sends their Calendly link after someone has already sent one is the true power graber.  40:00 - We're pulling for an early summer!!!

On episode 95 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leader Tim Sackett is joined by HireEZ's (formerly Hiretual) CMO, Shannon Pritchett, to discusses Outbound Recruiting strategies and the real struggles of modern TA. Listen below (click this link if you don't see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)! SHOW HIGHLIGHTS: 1:15 - It's a Tim solo pod today! He is joined by special guest Shannon Pritchard. She is the Head of Marketing from HireEZ (formerly Hiretual).  6:30 - Tim notes that in marketing, we often don't devote enough resources to building communities when that could be a great strategy for the longevity of a business. Shannon notes that this is something that HireEZ (formerly Hiretual) has learned from being at a start-up.  9:15 - Tim asks Shannon to explain what HireEZ is to those who might not know. Shannon notes it's an outbound recruiting process. They want to bring in automation and AI to speed up the recruiting process.  10:00 - Tim discusses how the modern recruiter will say the most difficult part of their job is finding talent. He says that it's not really the hardest thing but it's getting talent to respond to you and talk about your position.  12:00  - You heard it here first! Hiretual will now be known as HireEZ.  15:00 - Shannon notes that they're giving referral bonuses for interviews. 17:30 - Tim tells a story about how a TA leader took several months to get back to him from a LinkedIn message. What are they doing?? 20:00 - Tim says that some TA leaders will ask him if they should hire another recruiter or add more tech. He says they will probably need both.  23:30 - Shannon says that it's important to not stop advertising but to reinvest in outbound tactics.  25:00 - Tim asks Shannon to discuss the mini-conference HireEZ is hosting in Mountain View this week. They're calling it Outbound RecruitCon. It's only an hour long! 26:50 - Tim thinks the future of TA may be having an inbound team and an outbound team.  30:00 - Tim says that he doesn't see himself in a corporate TA role in the future but he would set up an inbound and outbound team if he were in that role.  36:30 - You can find Shannon on Twitter @sourcingshannon and check out HireEZ.com!

On episode 94 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett and Jessica Lee come together to discuss bathrooms in the workplace, Wordle, and why you shouldn't let your employees choose their WFH days.  Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)! 1:30 - KD is out sick this week! Just Tim and JLee.  3:00 - Tim mentions that he had a conversation with a co-worker in the bathroom before they hopped on their call. JLee asked if they make eye contact while they talk… 5:00 - JLee talks about how genderless bathrooms can bring about new bathroom dynamics. Tim says he's only seen genderless bathrooms where it's single-use only.  7:30 - Tim asks JLee if she's the type of Mom that lets her kid in the bathroom or locks the door. She says she tries to lock the door so she can play Wordle. 9:45 - JLee is a Wordle strategy queen. Tim has failed but JLee is still undefeated.  13:30 - The draft of KD's second book is done! Look out for Best Boss Ever coming soon.  15:45 - Tim and JLee are big fans of footnotes in books. More footnotes in books! 17:45 - Harvard Business Review released their top articles of 2021 and the top one of the year was “Don't Let Your Employees Pick Their WFH Days”. This article discusses the realities of making WFH successful long term.  19:30 - One main reason to not let your employees choose their WFH days is the idea of “mixed modes”. This refers to the reality where some people are in the office and some are at home. 22:00 - JLee thinks it's important to designate and create criteria for in-office work so you can reduce your office footprint and optimize in-person work.  24:00 - The vast majority of people want to WFH on Mondays and Fridays.  27:20 - Tim thinks it's naive to “treat people like adults” when it's very prevalent that there are WFH/hybrid work issues.  29:00 - Tim talks about a discussion he had with an employee about a “blacklist”. He jokes that there isn't an industry “blacklist” but he has his own personal one.  31:00 - Tim is a fan of an employment blockchain. JLee is less of a fan.  

On episode 93 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss eating on video calls, hiring during the holidays, and choosing your own salary and benefits.   Listen below (click this link if you don't see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)! SHOW HIGHLIGHTS: 3:30 - JLee ponders the etiquette of eating on camera during WFH meetings. She's had co-workers eat hot dogs and many other things. Tim asks why someone is eating hot dogs at home during the day… 5:45 - KD thinks it's fine to eat during normal eating hours but not with any external clients.  8:00 - JLee is a regular on-camera eater. She says that she often goes to the pantry in the middle of calls and comes back in with a snack.  13:20 - JLee has a job opening and she's ready to post the job but is worried about posting it during the holidays. KD says she should post the job right away with no hesitation. Tim talks about how post-new year's, many people will have new found motivation. 16:30 - Here is the link to the Marriott job JLee is hiring for! Go work with her! 18:30 - KD mentions a consulting job where the company he worked with had a strategy that consisted of solely on reposting jobs and money on monster.com. 21:00 - JLee is the best hiring manager. She's responsive, does some of her own sourcing, and writes stellar job descriptions.  23:00 - JLee mentions an article about a company in France that let their employees choose their own salary and hours to help prevent burnout. JLee asks the crew what they think their employees' response was.  26:00 - KD mentions how sales people at a company carry a huge burden to bring in the revenue for a business. Tim says that his sales employees have to bring in 5 to 6 times their salary in order to provide for the entire company.  28:30 - JLee mentions that Tim's answer was pretty spot on. Some asked for more money, some asked for more benefits, and some didn't ask for anything more.  30:00 - KD thinks the baller move is to ask for a 3-day work week rather than a pay increase.  32:00 - JLee mentions that some Audi employees get free cars, comped car insurance, and some money for gas!

On episode 92 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss how HR and Recruiting could be more like Uber, then shift to the promise of legal immigration in the USA to help fight worker shortage issues.  Listen below (click this link if you don't see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)! SHOW HIGHLIGHTS: 1:30 - Tim recently went and sat on the floor at an MSU game. He said he doesn't know how to go to a basketball game ever again.  9:45 - Bruce Springsteen recently sold his music catalog for $500 million. Tim asks the group what artist/group they would buy a catalog from. JLee chose Mariah Carey. KD chose Nirvana.  13:00 - Tim mentions that Taylor Swift's catalog got sold but she is now re-recording all of her catalog to get back at the owners. Tim chose Michael Jackson just over Prince.  15:15 - JLee saw Yao Ming in her office once and was blown away by how big he was and how it impacts every part of his life.  16:30 - Tim mentions an article about how Uber made it's users okay with waiting. He relates to a candidate experience perspective and asks how HR pros and recruiters could put something in place to make waiting better.  18:00 - KD thinks that hiring managers need to commit to a day that they will make their decision and communicate that date. It's the equivalent of arrival time for Uber! 20:00 - Tim says that ATS status updates are too high-level and unspecific.  24:00 - JLee has the idea to do “hiring manager ratings” just like “driver ratings” that are on rideshare apps. Tim iterates off that and comes up with “number of interviews/hires” just like “number of rides”. 25:15 - In 2021, the US population grew .1%. This is the lowest amount since 1918, when the influenza pandemic and World War 1 were happening. Tim thinks this is a major demographic issue where we aren't replacing as fast as we are losing people.  27:30 - Tim asks the crew how revamping immigration could help fight against this problem. JLee and Tim discuss making it easier for people to immigrate by focusing on the process.  31:00 - KD mentions how 300,000 visas sounds miniscule for what is actually needed to help with the lack of workers issue in this country. 

On episode 91 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett and Kris Dunn come together to discuss Jeff Bezos' carbon footprint and the major blunder related to Zoom-based layoffs at better.com.  Listen below (click this link if you don't see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)! SHOW HIGHLIGHTS: 2:00 - It's boy's week on HR Famous! Please stay with us JLee fan club! 3:00 - Follow Tim on Insta @timsackett!  4:30 - Amazon founder Jeff Bezos recently went to space and his carbon footprint for the 9 minute flight was equal to the carbon footprint of 1 billion people on Earth… 7:00 - Tim doesn't like it when people on vacation tell you what to do.  10:30 - The CEO of Better.com, Vishal Garg, decided to announce layoffs of 9% of their workforce. He had a call with 900 employees that were getting laid off and rather than having the entire company on the call, they laid off everyone on the call. 13:00 - Tim says that both him and KD have been in companies that had to do massive layoffs and they still found time to make it personal and not so heartless. 16:30 - The Better.com CEO accused his employees of only working 2 hours a day and “stealing from the company”.  21:00 - Garg is taking time off effectively immediately. Better.com is rated as the best place to work in NYC… 26:30 - Tim says that he can recognize why the PR and comms execs resigned because they could get a lot of flack if they stayed and had to take ownership for Garg's failures.  37:30 - Tim thinks that Garg needs to resign as CEO and stay on the board but hire a real CEO to run this company.

On episode 90 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss characters on HBO's Succession, wearing company branded apparel on Zoom calls to attempt to build culture, and increases in health insurance costs.  Listen below (click this link if you don't see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)! SHOW HIGHLIGHTS: 2:45 - JLee had a call with her chief legal counsel and she forgot she had a hoodie on and felt underdressed.  4:15 - JLee is late to the Succession game but now she is obsessed. Tim and KD are long time fans. JLee asks “who is the least worst of the Succession siblings?”.  9:40 - Tim didn't realize while watching Schitt's Creek that Catherine O'Hara (Moira Rose) was the mom in Home Alone…  11:30 - A recent Business Insider article reported that a CEO of an established company expects all employees to wear baseball caps/hats on Zoom calls to represent being a part of the company.  16:45 - Tim mentioned that when he worked at Applebee's, they loved when their employees wore their logo on the clothes they wore to work and often gave out clothing with the logo.  19:30 - JLee just realized she's a perpetrator of this because she bought every member of her team the same hat on a team outing… 26:00 - JLee has noticed that benefits rates are going up and she's curious about how companies are communicating to their employees why the rates are increasing. Tim said his rates were going to go up by a 34% increase.  28:00 - Tim says that during the pandemic, health insurance companies had really low utilization and so it looks like this is a cash grab.  32:00 - Tim has often run into a problem with Blue Cross where they always try to make you pay more than you actually need to and then, employees need to fight back against the insurance company.  35:00 - JLee is a brand loyalist, even when it comes to medicine!

On episode 89 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss gifted book recommendations, letting employees hire for new roles, and helping your children negotiate job offers.  Listen below (click this link if you don't see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)! SHOW HIGHLIGHTS: 2:30 - Shoutout to JLee's brother-in-law, Eugene! 5:00 - Tim is on yet another vacation with his wife and family to Hawaii! He bought a few books for this trip and he asked the crew if they were going to give a book to someone for the holidays, what book would they give? 6:30 - KD's recommendations include Conspiracy by Ryan Holiday and American Kingpin by Nick Bilton.  8:00 - JLee recommends Plant Therapy for the plant lovers and Act like a leader, Think like a leader by Hereminia Ibarra for the business folk. Tim recommends Living, Loving, and Learning by Leo Buscaglia.  13:00 - Lots of great book recs this episode! KD recommends fiction writer Douglas Copeland 14:20 - Tim recently wrote a blog post asking “what if we let our normal employees make a hire?”. This would involve almost none of the normal application process; no interview, no resumes, no filler.  17:00 - KD says that to an extent, companies already do this with the adage “everyone's a recruiter”.  19:45 - Tim thinks that small orgs can test this hiring practice and do it on a much smaller scale rather than a huge scale at a major corporation.  23:45 - JLee tells a story about her first interview at Marriott. JLee wasn't a typical hire since she didn't come from a huge brand and a prestigious university.  26:00 - Tim says you have to be careful on who you hand this hiring responsibility too but notes that some companies that are struggling to find employees have nothing to lose. 27:00 - Tim's son and podcast producer, Cam, just recently accepted a new job offer. He asked Tim if he should negotiate his job offer and Tim said of course. Tim was super nervous that as soon as he negotiated, that his offer would get pulled.  31:30 - KD asks JLee about how many managers would step away from an offer if someone tried to negotiate with them. JLee thinks less than 10%.  ---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett Kinetix HRU Tech Jessica Lee on LinkedIn Tim Sackett on Linkedin Kris Dunn on LinkedIn The Tim Sackett Project The HR Capitalist Fistful of Talent Boss Leadership Training Series

On episode 88 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss Elon Musk as a maverick leader (his move of HQ location without discussing with leadership team, firing of longtime assistant, etc) and whether they could work for him as his SVP of HR. Drinking at Michigan State tailgates is also discussed. Listen below (click this link if you don't see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)! SHOW HIGHLIGHTS: 3:00 - The Michigan attorney general (Michigan fan) recently released an apology for getting too drunk at a MSU football game. She said there was more alcohol than food at the tailgate. KD said the MSU tailgates are quite aggressive… 6:30 - When MSU and U of M play each other, anywhere from 150-250k people are on the respective campus. Tim says it's the “biggest cocktail of the North”.  9:30 - Today's episode is dedicated to the one and only Elon Musk. A few months ago, Elon announced that the Tesla headquarters are moving from California to Texas. He didn't tell his leadership team before he made the announcement, according to California officials trying to spin the move in a negative way.  12:30 - Tim can't believe in a modern world that a CEO would do this since even small moves can cause major change for many employees.  KD notes that it really didn't impact as many people as some might think, since Elon wanted to move to Texas and the top Talent at Tesla is either tied to a plant or as specialists can work where they want as long as they are willing to travel. 14:00 - JLee mentions that Elon is the new “boogeyman”. KD mentions that his leadership team must have had enough experience with him to know that something like could happen or would be happening soon.  18:30 - KD asks JLee for any guidance from HR leaders that work with CEOs like Elon. She notes that the best strategy may be to not try and control the leader. 20:30 - Tim mentions that Tesla is still considered a startup, even though most startups don't grow as quickly or to the scale of Tesla.  24:30 - JLee calls Elon a little petty in response to his former assistant's story.  The gang makes a note to discuss the dynamics of asking for more $$$ in the future - there's always a chance the answer is no! 33:00 - Elon recently took to Twitter to ask his followers if he should sell 10% of his stock. Tim notes that he had to do this since he has tax bills coming due.  37:30 - KD talks about some potential tax rebates for purchasing EVs and how the current administration is proposing greater rebates for auto companies with unions. KD notes the administration is penalizing one of the great innovators of the last 100 years, and also notes that the lower rebates may put the Tesla out of reach for some lower and middle class buyers, which he considers ironic due the fact that elites will still buy a Tesla regardless of the price.  42:30 - KD asks Tim & JLee if they would be Elon's HR leader. Tim says yes because of his extreme innovation. JLee won't answer but KD says he would too. 

On episode 87 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett and Jessica Lee  come together to discuss the new vaccine mandates and Millennial Fear of Gen Z.  Welcome to grown up world, Millennials! The kids are crazy! Listen below (click this link if you don't see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)! SHOW HIGHLIGHTS: 1:45 - JLee and Tim got dinner this week and KD was a little jealous… 5:15 - Tim recently met with the folks at SHRM and he heard that whenever they put out any content piece about COVID or vaccines, it gets 100 times more engagement than any other posts.  7:30 - Tim notes that OSHA said all employees that choose not to get vaccinated can be forced to pay for their mandatory tests. He doesn't know how companies are going to attract new employees and force them to pay for COVID tests.  9:00 - Congrats to OSHA! You've made it! 11:30 - CNBC recently released an article about actor Kal Penn applying for a job at the White House under the Obama administration. He didn't receive a response from his application until he mentioned to Michelle Obama at a White House gala that he had applied.  18:00 - JLee has thought about working for the federal government to help fix their hiring process. She applied through a similar website to the one Kal Penn used and she never received a response.  22:00 - JLee thinks the federal government needs someone with private sector sensibilities to come in and fix their hiring processes.  23:30 - Tim recently sent JLee an article from the NY Times titled “The 37-Year-Olds Are Afraid of the 23-Year-Olds that Work For Them”. Tim asked JLee if she's afraid of her twenty-something employees.  27:00 - JLee wonders how we can still encourage young people to be bold and unapologetic with some more grown up sensibilities.  31:00 - Tim's advice for young people is to always run ideas/suggestions/comments by a trusted mentor before going to the broader public at a corporate level. 

On episode 86 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss new Peloton users, Blink 182, how to multitask during in-person meetings, and Adam Grant's future of work.  Listen below (click this link if you don't see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)! SHOW HIGHLIGHTS: 1:45 - We have a new Peloton user! KD is now on Peloton and JLee picked his username.  6:45 - Tim asked KD to make a meme with the “change my mind” format. He added the text “Michael Bolton should be at SHRM every year”.  8:40 - JLee proudly notes that while Kim Kardashian has been staying in NYC, she's been choosing to stay at a certain Marriott hotel (location undisclosed). 10:00 - This is now a Blink-182 podcast! 11:30 - JLee is stressed because of the impending return to office. She's worried she can't openly multitask during meetings. She asks her co-hosts for some advice.  13:40 - Tim reminds us that people often had laptops open during in-person meetings and many of them were not just taking notes.  18:30 - Recently, Adam Grant wrote an essay in the Wall Street Journal titled “ The Real Meaning of Freedom at Work”. He discusses the “great resignation” and notes that this is part of a longer shift in working trends that has been happening for a long time.  22:00 - Tim notes that Adam Grant's perspective on work is probably very different than most due to his job as a college professor at an elite university.  25:15 - JLee discusses how the notion of “positive liberty” entails some privilege and that those within the service industry are most likely not able to exercise this liberty.  28:45 - Everyone brings up individually how a lot of the population doesn't want to have their own freedom in the workplace and just wants to be told what to do and how to do it. ---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett Kinetix HRU Tech Jessica Lee on LinkedIn Tim Sackett on Linkedin Kris Dunn on LinkedIn The Tim Sackett Project The HR Capitalist Fistful of Talent Boss Leadership Training Series  

On episode 85 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss the differences between Big 10 and SEC football games, how many hours a week we work, and whether America is ready for a 4-day work week.  Listen below (click this link if you don't see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)! SHOW HIGHLIGHTS: 2:00 - Tim recently visited KD in Alabama and went to an Auburn football game. He said it was very different from the Big 10 football games he's accustomed to.  6:00 - Tim is upset with KD because he didn't prepare Tim with the right gear for an Auburn football game. Everyone wears polos and Tim didn't have one to fit in with the other men.  9:00 - The only person that Tim found that matched him was an elderly woman at a pizza restaurant… 12:00 - Tim found that the consumption of alcohol at an SEC game is about 50% less than a Big 10 game. He also found that the fans get to the games a lot earlier than at Big 10 schools.  16:45 - Atlassian put out an article titled “This is how many hours you should really be working”. WHO found out that around the world that working 55 hours a week or more can put serious risk on your life.  18:30 - JLee says she works about 55 hours a week. Tim doesn't think she does and thinks she only works 40.  23:00 - KD asks Tim how many hours a week he works. He says that he doesn't really know. At first, he thought he would say 40 hours but he now thinks it might be a little bit more.  26:00 - KD says on the flip side of “hustle porn”, there is “work-life balance porn”.  27:45 - Tim asks the ultimate trigger question: “do you work more or less hours at home than when you worked in the office?”. JLee says she works more at-home for sure, since there are less distractions. KD says the opposite, but he's been in a hybrid model for 10 years.  ---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett Kinetix HRU Tech Jessica Lee on LinkedIn Tim Sackett on Linkedin Kris Dunn on LinkedIn The Tim Sackett Project The HR Capitalist Fistful of Talent Boss Leadership Training Series

On episode 84 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss business travel during the pandemic, sending late night emails, and whether you should opt out of a group message.  Listen below (click this link if you don't see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)! SHOW HIGHLIGHTS: 3:00 - KD asks Tim what his favorite OG from old-school rap is. He loves LL Cool J and JLee likes Dr. Dre because of his purple satin suit.  5:15 - KD has been hitting business travel hard over the last few weeks. He has been in 4 different locations after not having much at all for the last year and a half. He has really started to notice the different mentalities to COVID precautions/mask wearing in different parts of the country.  8:00 - KD was surprised by the strict mask mandates that were in place in Las Vegas when he and Tim were there for a conference.  11:00 - JLee is happy that the housekeeper at the hotel that KD stayed at felt empowered enough to enforce mask mandate policy. 14:30 - On a Southwest flight recently, KD heard the initial reactions of Southwest employees to a vaccine mandate. 17:00 - Tim mentions how some airlines offered early retirement to pilots during the pandemic and are now begging pilots to come back to work.  20:00 - KD wrote a post recently titled “Are you a jerk for sending an email at 9 pm?”. KD references a study where they looked at this and they found that receivers of late emails overestimated the quickness of response needed.  23:00 - JLee thinks that people in their mid-career won't care when emails are sent and more senior employees may be more careful with their messaging.  25:30 - If the future of remote work offers more flexibility, Tim thinks that email send time doesn't matter as much anymore (with caveats).  28:45 - There are folks out there that are very anti-after hours emails.  32:00 - Tim doesn't understand the people that want to have their cake and eat it too. How are we going to be working flexibly and then also defining after hours? 37:30 - JLee thinks it's a power move to opt out of group messages, like group texts or chain emails. KD thinks it's better to opt out instead of not participating at all.  ---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett Kinetix HRU Tech Jessica Lee on LinkedIn Tim Sackett on Linkedin Kris Dunn on LinkedIn The Tim Sackett Project The HR Capitalist Fistful of Talent Boss Leadership Training Series  

On episode 83 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss  Halloween at work, Zillow's new remote comp approach, and JLee's new job! Listen below (click this link if you don't see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)! SHOW HIGHLIGHTS: 2:00 - Halloween is coming soon! JLee asks the crew if they're dressing up for the holiday this year.  4:15 - JLee wonders if she is forcing fun onto her friends, family, and co-workers by making them do fall/Halloween related activities. Tim says that people almost always have fun when they're forced to partake in these types of activities.  8:00 - How do you feel about group costumes? The crew goes back and forth on good group costumes.  10:30 -  JLee saw a post on LinkedIn of an update from a CHRO at a major company. She reads the update to Tim and KD and then reveals that the company is Zillow.  12:45 - KD is softening to the approach of not factoring in location when determining salary/pay.  16:45 - JLee notes that certain brands have the privilege to exercise changes in pay and salary because people are willing to give something up to work for your brand.  18:40 - Tim worries that the fact that companies are doubling down on not changing pay based on location will result in something bad happening years down the line.  22:00 - JLee wonders if everyone is overreacting to these discussions and changes in company policies. She thinks some things will just go back to how they were and this might just blow over.  24:00 - JLee praises KD for changing his opinion and having the ability to develop a new stance on something.  25:00 - JLee got a promotion! She asks Tim and KD for some advice on her new job.  28:00 - KD advises JLee to give patience to new people that she is now managing. He advises her to walk the line between being patient but also being decisive when the time comes.  31:30 - Tim advises JLee to bring a third party, within the company, to lead transition meetings in order to give a voice to her new employees.  36:30 - JLee asks Tim and KD how to manage new stresses with a new job at home when it comes to family. Tim says your time becomes more valuable and there are things you have to figure out that will make your life easier.  39:00 - JLee mentions that her husband recently reached out about any extra support she needs now with a new job. KD and Tim are impressed.  ---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett Kinetix HRU Tech Jessica Lee on LinkedIn Tim Sackett on Linkedin Kris Dunn on LinkedIn The Tim Sackett Project The HR Capitalist Fistful of Talent Boss Leadership Training Series  

On episode 82 of The HR Famous Podcast,  long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss TikTok hiring, recruitment marketing on social media, and Gen Z job hopping.  Listen below (click this link if you don't see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)! SHOW HIGHLIGHTS: 3:00 - Tim is a TikTok user and often sends them to his closest friends & family, including KD and JLee. JLee deleted the app so she only gets them from Tim now.  5:00 - There is a new TikTok trend where someone asks a question like “tell me blank” and people respond to the original. The Amazon brand account created one where the question was “what was the best thing you ever got off of Amazon” and an employee responded and said “my career”. Tim thinks Amazon has a great TikTok employment branding presence.  8:15 - KD thinks that social media recruiting only works on platforms that display company and job titles. 13:00 - JLee thinks that recruiters may get off the rails and try to improve their own personal brand. She thinks that a lot of recruitment marketing content is cheap and unoriginal.  15:00 - Cameron, Tim's son, recently shared a TikTok with Tim where a young worker was sharing the advice to job hop in order to increase salaries.  16:00 - JLee thinks the only reason to job hop is to get different experiences and try new things.  17:30 - KD says the concept of job hopping is not new but the advice is. He also thinks that 2 years is the perfect time for a young person to job hop.  21:30 - Tim and JLee say that if you're hopping laterally to several different jobs, there has to be a story behind it.  24:30 - JLee worries that if you're making progression in your career but you are hopping from company to company that you aren't good enough to ever get promoted internally.  26:00 - AppCast recently came out with data for companies that are struggling to get applicants. Some of their advice includes shortening your apply cycle and posting jobs at the start of the week and the end of the month. 29:00 - Tim says that only 1/10 TA leaders know where applicants are dropping off on their application process.  32:00 - Another piece of advice is to include at least 2 specific benefits in the job posting. This improved application rates by at least 40%. ---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett Kinetix HRU Tech Jessica Lee on LinkedIn Tim Sackett on Linkedin Kris Dunn on LinkedIn The Tim Sackett Project The HR Capitalist Fistful of Talent Boss Leadership Training Series    

On episode 81 of The HR Famous Podcast,  long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss texting in the workplace, the Theranos trial, and the proposed paid leave bill. Listen below (click this link if you don't see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)! SHOW HIGHLIGHTS: 2:40 - KD recently was on a run while on vacation in Florida and pulled out his phone and checked out the Zillow app while running - a normal KD trait. 4:30 - KD asks JLee to speak about an instance where she made a business mistake over texting. JLee mentions a co-worker who had a misspelling error.  7:15 - Tim talks about how the “meeting after the meeting” is now happening during the meeting on Zoom.  9:15 - How cognizant are you of your exclamation point usage in emails? JLee says she doesn't limit herself like she once did.  12:00 - KD mentions the book Bad Blood by Ramesh Balwani that is about Theranos and their blood testing.  14:00 - KD reads text messages between Elizabeth Homes and Sunny Balwani that were uncovered by the prosecutors at the ongoing Theranos trial.  19:00 - KD thinks that the prosecutor should have a running screen at the trial of the best text exchanges between Holmes and Balwani. 22:30 - JLee warns everyone that text messages can be discovered even if they are deleted.  24:00 - The People Infrastructure Bill coming from the Biden administration has a lot of things that impact the workplace. KD brings up paid leave and the new policy. This policy includes paid leave for almost all workers that have earned wages in the last 6 months.  26:00 - Tim's initial reaction is torn because he wants to have the paid leave benefits for American people and families but he worries about the actual financial cost of these policies.  29:00 - JLee mentions how it's hard to manage paid leave in a multi-state work environment and how some of these policies could help ease those complications.  31:00 - Tim says that HR pros may be the worst to talk about paid leave because they see all the people that take advantage of systems that are in place to help people.  36:00 - KD reads the 9 states that currently have 9 paid leave laws. JLee says she's surprised Maryland doesn't have paid leave laws. Tim says that he's surprised Vermont isn't included and KD says Minnesota.   ---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett Kinetix HRU Tech Jessica Lee on LinkedIn Tim Sackett on Linkedin Kris Dunn on LinkedIn The Tim Sackett Project The HR Capitalist Fistful of Talent Boss Leadership Training Series      

On episode 80 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett and Kris Dunn come together to discuss hiring men to listen to you, generational wealth gaps and how money is dispersed generationally, and in-person HR conferences! Listen below (click this link if you don't see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)! SHOW HIGHLIGHTS: 1:30 - Tim and KD are together recording live in Miami! They are seeing the Michigan State Spartans football team take on the Miami Hurricanes.  2:30 - Tim found a new article that discusses a new phenomenon where Chinese women rent men to listen to them.  7:30 - KD wonders what the training for these men is like. He thinks it might involve some body language training, non-verbal affirmations, and listening skills.  10:30 - KD asks if a young Chinese man would rather go into an industrial career or this type of job. Tim notes that they want them to be college educated, pop-culturally savvy, amongst other qualifications.  12:45 - Recently an economic study found that 30 year olds across time and generations don't have any major change in wealth attained and acquired although, there has been a growing dissatisfaction with the wealth gap in the US amongst young people.  15:15 - KD mentions that he doesn't know a lot of Boomers that grew up with a lot of wealth or privilege and how our transition into a consumption society has tainted young people's view of the world.  17:30 - “Comparison is the thief of joy.” - Kris Dunn 21:40 - Tim recently went to SHRM annual and is headed to another SHRM conference with KD. Tim has noticed a small but vocal group on social media trying to stop people from going to these in-person conferences.  24:50 - Tim thinks it's brave of HR Tech to mandate vaccines for their in-person conferences since it's alienating about 30% of the potential audience. KD thinks that it's not brave because they were trying to maximize the biggest audience possible.  28:30 - Tim noticed that there were a lot of extroverts at the SHRM conference and that they were very engaged. 31:40 - Catch Tim and KD at HR Tech from Sep 28 to Oct 1!

On episode 79 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn  come together to discuss the declining participation rate of males across colleges and universities in America. Listen below (click this link if you don't see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)! SHOW HIGHLIGHTS: 3:00 - KD sent a note to JLee about women's workplace fashion coming out of COVID and learned a lot in the back and forth. 7:15 - What would you tell someone in 2021 who was sick of their job and wanted to quit?  Should they wait before they have another job and join what's been called "The Great Resignation", where people quit before having their next gig lined up. Is this a generational thing? 9:30 - JLee thinks that the ability to quit a job before getting another job has a privilege that many others don't have.  11:00 - Tim says it's a proven fact that it's easier to get a job when you have a job. He says don't quit a job until you have the next.  13:00 - KD mentions an article from the Wall Street Journal about the declining rate of men choosing to attend college.  College campuses are becoming a split 60/40 female to male. 15:00 - Tim says this is only an issue if we have a functional way to get men into trade skills careers and other similar types of jobs. KD thinks that pointing to alternatives to college as a reason for the drop is not the whole story. 19:30 - KD asks JLee if she can't fathom a world where men become a focus point for colleges and the companies they serve, or if she believes the world will be unwilling to do that.  She thinks both. 20:00 - JLee wonders if there is too much pride in this country to develop programs to build up and take care of young boys through programming. Kris discusses how cultural changes and resulting shifts on campus have created a mismatch between how young men view themselves from a masculinity perspective and their view of campus life. 24:30 - JLee notes that she thinks educational environments don't often do a good job catering to a diverse set of students and that this could be part of the larger issue of men choosing not to attend college.  26:45 - Tim thinks there are only 3 avenues for graduates from public schools and that a lot of students aren't ready/aren't a good fit for college. 31:45 - JLee says that a man cannot be the one that is the voice and the face of a male-centered campaign to help with this declining rate.  Tim points to the fact that a man trying to lead the cause would be seen as an uber conservative. KD wonders aloud why the topic of masculinity can only be viewed as negative and viewed in an extreme way when different versions of masculinity exists and all are not toxic. ---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett Kinetix HRU Tech Jessica Lee on LinkedIn Tim Sackett on Linkedin Kris Dunn on LinkedIn The Tim Sackett Project The HR Capitalist Fistful of Talent Boss Leadership Training Series

On episode 78 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss campus recruiting, how terminated employees can cause damage, and some of our favorite firing horror stories.  Listen below (click this link if you don't see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)! SHOW HIGHLIGHTS: 1:30 - It's conference season! Tim wonders if conferences will permanently have a virtual option now.  5:45 - Tim asks if the team has had any experience recruiting new grads or soon-to-be college grads. Tim calls out Handshake for changing the campus recruiting process. He asks JLee how campus recruiting at Marriott works and what the frustrations are.  8:45 - JLee mentions how a lot of career center employees are out of touch with the corporate world and simply rely on their relationships to help their students.  11:15 - KD brings up John Nykolaiszyn from Florida International University (who was a guest on KD's other pod Best Hire Ever) as an example of a campus career services leader doing it right.  13:30 - Tim harps on career services for hiding their students instead of making them really available for employers. 16:45 - Tim says that CHRO's want from universities and colleges is a LinkedIn for college students. They want some sort of database that is like LinkedIn that will allow them to search for new hires in their areas. 19:00 - Tim hired 2 new grads to his company and he had to reach out to career services directly in order to get on Handshake since he had a ”low trust score”.  21:30 - MarketWatch recently released an article about an upset HR executive that deleted 17,000 resumes from their system after being fired. Tim asks the crew to share their best resignation/firing story.  25:00 - KD tells a story about the termination of a blue collar employee at a former company he worked with and he had to restrain the terminated employee to help save a manager.  27:30 - JLee's story involves a fired employee and someone's personal mini fridge and helping them remove it from their office.  33:00 - Tim says that companies need to have their systems locked down when firing someone remotely or they can risk someone doing damage to their online systems and databases.  ---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett Kinetix HRU Tech Jessica Lee on LinkedIn Tim Sackett on Linkedin Kris Dunn on LinkedIn The Tim Sackett Project The HR Capitalist Fistful of Talent Boss Leadership Training Series    

On episode 77 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss what back to school shopping looks like, Lululemon's culture issues, and what a real entry-level job looks like.  Listen below (click this link if you don't see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)! SHOW HIGHLIGHTS: 2:00 - Back to school season is here! Tim saw an article about a Delaware school district that is paying their student's families to drive their kids to school because there is a bus driver shortage.  6:00 - JLee's son is obsessed with Nike Dry Fit but he doesn't know the difference between Target and Nike because he can't read. Target it is! 7:45 - Tim's youngest son does not care at all what he wears so no new clothes for back to school! 10:00 - Some Lululemon employees have come forward recently and complained about a bullying environment in their workplace. Many employees get asked before they work if “they sweat today?”.  16:00 - Tim thinks that this is a startup vs. a growth company issue. Startups will go to great lengths to find employees that match their culture but the more you grow, the more people will stray from that culture.  19:15 - JLee wants her kids to live like she did with no brand names. Tim said his dad would pay for half of whatever brand name shoes he wanted in high school.  21:30 - KD mentions that this is a lighter version of the same issue that faces Hooters when hiring since the brand revolves around people's appearances.  22:30 - JLee noticed a report on LinkedIn about the shrinking number of entry-level jobs and that now, entry-level jobs require years of experience. 26:00 - Tim says that a job is not an entry-level job when they require years of experience in the field of the job and he doesn't like it when companies act like these jobs are truly entry-level.  29:00 - Tim mentions Enterprise's management training program and how everyone tried to replicate it because it was so successful.  33:00 - KD likes a group or a cohort of new hires where they can experience it together and demonstrate a strong alumni base post-entry level position.  ---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett Kinetix HRU Tech Jessica Lee on LinkedIn Tim Sackett on Linkedin Kris Dunn on LinkedIn The Tim Sackett Project The HR Capitalist Fistful of Talent Boss Leadership Training Series

On episode 76 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn  come together to discuss back to school season, Google's new internal calculator for pay cuts, and secretly working 2 remote jobs.  Listen below (click this link if you don't see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)! SHOW HIGHLIGHTS: 1:30 - It's back to school season! JLee is feeling ready for the season after getting back from a vacation to Turks & Caicos. Her kids are going to be in person at school all day. 3:45 - Tim's last child is a senior in high school and they are ready for him to get out of the house. His wife doesn't know how she's going to make it through the year… 5:30 - In a shout out to "no one really knows anything", KD mentions a report from the UAB that said 40% of a state is going to get COVID between July and September because of the Delta variant. The majority will show no symptoms. Is that bad?  No one really knows.  Songs from the band Chicago are cited. 9:30 - Google's rolled out a new internal calculator explaining potential pay cuts to employees who choose to work remotely and people are getting penalized. Reuters reported on screenshots of this calculator. 12:00 - JLee gives Google a thumbs up for being a leader on the forefront of salary changing by location. 14:00 - Tim discusses the thought process that this is built on: I should get paid the same regardless of where I live. The reality is that every market substantiates different pay levels.  17:45 - JLee mentions that this decision is a hard one to make and someone has to be the leader on this forefront. She also mentions that there's definitely room to change if there's backlash.  22:45 - Are people taking on second jobs while they work from home? There's a book coming out from an individual about their story working two remote jobs. Check out more at their website. They came out with 12 rules about working two remote jobs, top of the list being “don't talk about your other job”.  26:50 - One of their rules is “be average”. JLee says that this is when it falls apart. She says to kick butt at job #1 and work your way up there, instead of being average at 2 different jobs.  29:00 - KD asks the crew what percentage of adults work 2 jobs. JLee says 10% and Tim and KD say 1%.  30:30 - Tim had this happen to him with a contractor who was working 2 jobs.  34:30 - Tim thinks that people are too afraid of retaliation/being found out so he's sticking with his 1% guess of people that work more than 1 job remotely. ---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett Kinetix HRU Tech Jessica Lee on LinkedIn Tim Sackett on Linkedin Kris Dunn on LinkedIn The Tim Sackett Project The HR Capitalist Fistful of Talent Boss Leadership Training Series

On episode 75 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leader Tim Sackett is joined by special guest Joss Leufrancois to discuss all things Visage, what ROI Tim has gotten by using Visage at his company, and how companies can quickly improve their hiring abilities.  Listen below (click this link if you don't see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)! SHOW HIGHLIGHTS: 1:00 - We have a fun guest on the podcast today! Please welcome to your ears Joss Leufrancois from Visage 4:00 - Tim notes how it's hard for a recruiter to be good at sourcing since they often have to go and seek that training and knowledge on their own.  5:30 - Joss mentions how at Visage they don't believe that AI will solve everything and how we need people to deal with the ambiguity in job postings. 7:30 -  Tim praises Visage for helping his employees to do less work with a new piece of technology.  9:15 - Tim found that he got a 6 to 1 ROI while using Visage. 14:30 - Tim asks Joss what he is seeing with this mass influx of hiring in almost all markets. He says that companies are changing what they require out of candidates and he doesn't know if the market will stabilize any time soon in the next 15-24 months. 17:30 - Tim says that there are simply not enough workers to fill all of the open jobs that exist for the next few years.  19:30 - Tim mentions how most people want to go have some experience in the office but they still want the flexibility to work remotely when it's convenient for them. 22:30 - Final question: what can organizations do to improve quickly? Joss says that choosing a concrete long-term plan of remote vs. in person work and making it well known will help be more transparent to candidates. 24:30 - Tim has his new recruiters work in the office full time until they are comfortable enough and proficient enough to start working remotely.  26:15 - You can find Joss at Visage's website or on his LinkedIn! Check him out.