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In this episode of In-Ear Insights, the Trust Insights podcast, Katie and Chris discuss the generative AI sophomore slump. You will discover why so many businesses are stuck at the same level of AI adoption they were two years ago. You will learn how anchoring to initial perceptions and a lack of awareness about current AI capabilities limits your organization’s progress. You will understand the critical difference between basic AI exploration and scaling AI solutions for significant business outcomes. You will gain insights into how to articulate AI’s true value to stakeholders, focusing on real world benefits like speed, efficiency, and revenue. Tune in to see why your approach to AI may need an urgent update! Watch the video here: Can’t see anything? Watch it on YouTube here. Listen to the audio here: https://traffic.libsyn.com/inearinsights/tipodcast-generative-ai-sophomore-slump-part-1.mp3 Download the MP3 audio here. Need help with your company’s data and analytics? Let us know! Join our free Slack group for marketers interested in analytics! [podcastsponsor] Machine-Generated Transcript What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for listening to the episode. Christopher S. Penn – 00:00 In this week’s In-Ear Insights, let’s talk about the sophomore slump. Katie, you were talking about the sophomore slump in regards to generative AI. I figured we could make this into a two-part series. So first, what is the sophomore slump? Katie Robbert – 00:15 So I’m calling it the sophomore slump. Basically, what I’m seeing is a trend of a lot of companies talking about, “We tried. We started implementing AI two years ago—generative AI to be specific—and we’re stalled out.” We are at the same place we were two years ago. We’ve optimized some things. We’re using it to create content, maybe create some images, and that’s about it. Everyone fired everyone. There’s no one here. It’s like a ghost town. The machines are just whirring away in the background. And I’m calling it the sophomore slump because I’m seeing this pattern of companies, and it all seems to be—they’re all saying the same—two years ago. Katie Robbert – 01:03 And two years ago is when generative AI really hit the mainstream market in terms of its availability to the masses, to all of us, versus someone, Chris, like you, who had been using it through IBM and other machine learning systems and homegrown systems. So I bring it up because it’s interesting, because I guess there’s a lot to unpack here. AI is this magic tool that’s gonna solve your problems and do all the things and make you dinner and clean your room. I feel like there’s a lot of things wrong or a lot of things that are just not going right. A lot of companies are hitting this two-year mark, and they’re like, “What now? What happened? Am I better off? Not really.” Katie Robbert – 02:00 I’m just paying for more stuff. So Chris, are you seeing this as well? Is this your take? Christopher S. Penn – 02:07 It is. And a lot of it has to do with what psychology calls anchoring, where your understanding something is anchored to your first perceptions of it. So when ChatGPT first came out in November 2022 and became popular in January 2023, what were people using it for? “Let’s write some blog posts.” And two years later, where are we? “Let’s write some blog posts.” And the capabilities have advanced exponentially since then. One of the big things that we’ve heard from clients and I’ve seen and heard at trade shows and conferences and all this stuff: people don’t understand even what’s possible with the tools, what you can do with them. Christopher S. Penn – 02:56 And as a result, they’re still stuck in 2023 of “let’s write some blog posts.” Instead, “Hey, today, use this tool to build software. Use this tool to create video. Use this tool to make fully synthetic podcasts.” So as much as it makes me cringe, there’s this term from consulting called “the art of the possible.” And that really is still one of the major issues for people to open their minds and go, “Oh, I can do this!” This morning on LinkedIn, I was sharing from our livestream a couple weeks ago: “Hey, you can use NotebookLM to make segments of your sales playbook as training audio, as a training podcast internally so that you could help new hires onboard quickly by having a series of podcasts made from your own company’s materials.” Katie Robbert – 03:49 Do you think that when Generative AI hit the market, people jumped on it too quickly? Is that the problem? Or is it evolving so fast? Or what do you think happened that two years later, despite all the advances, companies are stalled out in what we’re calling the sophomore slump? Christopher S. Penn – 04:13 I don’t think they jumped on it too quickly. I don’t think they kept up with the changes. Again, it’s anchoring. One of the very interesting things that I’ve seen at workshops: for example, we’ve been working with SMPS—the Society for Marketing Professional Services—and they’re one of our favorite clients because we get a chance to hang out with them twice a year, every year, for two-day workshops. And I noted at the most recent one, the demographic of the audience changed radically. In the first workshop back in late 2023, it was 60-40 women to men, as mid- to senior-level folks. In this most recent was 95-5 women and much more junior-level folks. And I remember commenting to the organizers, I said, “What’s going on here?” Christopher S. Penn – 05:02 And they said what they’ve heard is that all senior-level folks are like, “Oh yeah, I know AI. We’re just going to send our junior people.” I’m like, “But what I’m presenting today in 2025 is so far different from what you learned in late 2023.” You should be here as a senior leader to see what’s possible today. Katie Robbert – 05:26 I have so many questions about that kind of mentality. “I know everything I need to know, therefore it doesn’t apply to me.” Think about non-AI-based technology, think about the rest of your tech stack: servers, cloud storage, databases. Those things aren’t static. They change and evolve. Maybe not at the pace that generative AI has been evolving, but they still change, and there’s still things to know and learn. Unless you are the person developing the software, you likely don’t know everything about it. And so I’ve always been really suspicious of people who have that “I know everything I need to know, I can’t learn any more about this, it’s just not relevant” sort of mentality. That to me is hugely concerning. Katie Robbert – 06:22 And so it sounds like what you are seeing as a pattern in addition to this sophomore slump is people saying, “I know enough. I don’t need to keep up with it. I’m good.” Christopher S. Penn – 06:34 Exactly. So their perception of generative AI and its capabilities, and therefore knowing what to ask for as leaders, is frozen in late 2023. Their understanding has not evolved. And while the technology has evolved, as a point of comparison, generative AI’s capabilities in terms of what the tools can double every six months. So a task that took an hour for AI to do six months ago now takes 30 minutes. A task that they couldn’t do six months ago, they can do now. And so since 2023, we’ve essentially had what—five doublings. That’s two to the fifth power: five doublings of its capabilities. Christopher S. Penn – 07:19 And so if you’re stuck in late 2023, of course you’re having a sophomore slump because it’s like you learned to ride a bicycle, and today there is a Bugatti Chiron in your driveway, and you’re like, “I’m going to bicycle to the store.” Well, you can do a bit more than that now. You can go a little bit faster. You can go places you couldn’t go previously. And I don’t know how to fix that. I don’t know how to get the messaging out to those senior leaders to say what you think about AI is not where the technology is today. Which means that if you care about things like ROI—what is the ROI of AI?—you are not unlocking value because you don’t even know what it can do. Katie Robbert – 08:09 Well, see, and now you’re hitting on because you just said, “I don’t know how to reach these leaders.” But yet in the same sentence, you said, “But here are the things they care about.” Those are the terms that need to be put in for people to pay attention. And I’ll give us a knock on this too. We’re not putting it in those terms. We’re not saying, “Here’s the value of the latest and greatest version of AI models,” or, “Here’s how you can save money.” We’re talking about it in terms of what the technology can do, not what it can do for you and why you should care. I was having this conversation with one of our clients this morning as they’re trying to understand what GPTs, what models their team members are using. Katie Robbert – 09:03 But they weren’t telling the team members why. They were asking why it mattered if they knew what they were using or not. And it’s the oldest thing of humankind: “Just tell me what’s in it for me? How does this make it about me? I want to see myself in this.” And that’s one of the reasons why the 5Ps is so useful. So this isn’t necessarily “use the 5Ps,” but it could be. So the 5Ps are Purpose, People, Process, Platform, Performance, when we’re the ones at the cutting edge. And we’re saying, “We know that AI can do all of these really cool things.” It’s our responsibility to help those who need the education see themselves in it. Katie Robbert – 09:52 So, Chris, one of the things that we do is, on Mondays we send out a roundup of everything that’s happened with AI. And you can get that. That’s our Substack newsletter. But what we’re not doing in that newsletter is saying, “This is why you should pay attention.” But not “here’s the value.” “If you implement this particular thing, it could save you money.” This particular thing could increase your productivity. And that’s going to be different for every client. I feel like I’m rambling and I’m struggling through my thought process here. Katie Robbert – 10:29 But really what it boils down to, AI is changing so fast that those of us on the front lines need to do a better job of explaining not just why you should care, but what the benefit is going to be, but in the terms that those individuals care about. And that’s going to look different for everyone. And I don’t know if that’s scalable. Christopher S. Penn – 10:50 I don’t think it is scalable. And I think the other issue is that so many people are locked into the past that it’s difficult to even make headway into explaining how this thing will benefit you. So to your point, part of our responsibility is to demonstrate use cases, even simple ones, to say: “Here, with today’s modern tooling, here’s a use case that you can use generative AI for.” So at the workshop yesterday that we have this PDF-rich, full of research. It’s a lot. There’s 50-some-odd pages, high-quality data. Christopher S. Penn – 11:31 But we said, “What would it look like if you put this into Google Gemini and turn it into a one-page infographic of just the things that the ideal customer profile cares about?” And suddenly the models can take that, distill it down, identify from the ideal customer profile the five things they really care about, and make a one-page infographic. And now you’ve used the tools to not just process words but make an output. And they can say, “Oh, I understand! The value of this output is: ‘I don’t have to wait three weeks for Creative to do exactly the same thing.'” We can give the first draft to Creative and get it turned around in 24 hours because they could add a little polish and fix the screw-ups of the AI. Christopher S. Penn – 12:09 But speed. The key output there is speed: high quality. But Creative is already creating high-quality. But speed was the key output there. In another example, everybody their cousin is suddenly, it’s funny, I see this on LinkedIn, “Oh, you should be using GPTs!” I’m like, “You should have been using GPTs for over a year and a half now!” What you should be doing now is looking at how to build MCPs that can go cross-platform. So it’s like a GPT, but it goes anywhere you go. So if your company uses Copilot, you will be able to use an MCP. If your company uses Gemini, you’ll be able to use this. Christopher S. Penn – 12:48 So what does it look like for your company if you’ve got a great idea to turn it into an MCP and maybe put it up for sale? Like, “Hey, more revenue!” The benefit to you is more revenue. You can take your data and your secret sauce, put it into this thing—it’s essentially an app—and sell it. More revenue. So it’s our responsibility to create these use cases and, to your point, clearly state: “Here’s the Purpose, and here’s the outcome.” Money or time or something. You could go, “Oh, I would like that!” Katie Robbert – 13:21 It occurs to me—and I feel silly that this only just occurred to me. So when we’re doing our roundup of “here’s what changed with AI week over week” to pull the data for that newsletter, we’re using our ideal customer profile. But we’re not using our ideal customer profile as deeply as we could be. So if those listening aren’t familiar, one of the things that we’ve been doing at Trust Insights is taking publicly available data, plus our own data sets—our CRM data, our Google Analytics data—and building what we’re calling these ideal customer profiles. So, a synthetic stand-in for who should be a Trust Insights customer. And it goes pretty deep. It goes into buying motivations, pain points, things that the ideal customer would care about. Katie Robbert – 14:22 And as we’re talking, it occurs to me, Chris, we’re saying, “Well, it’s not scalable to customize the news for all of these different people, but using generative AI, it might be.” It could be. So I’m not saying we have to segment off our newsletter into eight different versions depending on the audience, but perhaps there’s an opportunity to include a little bit more detail around how a specific advancement in generative AI addresses a specific pain point from our ideal customer profile. Because theoretically, it’s our ideal customers who are subscribing to our content. It’s all very—I would need to outline it in how all these things connect. Katie Robbert – 15:11 But in my brain, I can see how, again, that advanced use case of generative AI actually brings you back to the basics of “How are you solving my problem?” Christopher S. Penn – 15:22 So in an example from that, you would say, “Okay, which of the four dimensions—it could be more—but which of the four dimensions does this news impact?” Bigger, better, faster, cheaper. So which one of these does this help? And if it doesn’t align to any of those four, then maybe it’s not of use to the ICP because they can go, “Well, this doesn’t make me do things better or faster or save me money or save me time.” So maybe it’s not that relevant. And the key thing here, which a lot of folks don’t have in their current capabilities, is that scale. Christopher S. Penn – 15:56 So when we make that change to the prompt that is embedded inside this AI agent, the agent will then go and apply it to a thousand different articles at a scale that you would be copying and pasting into ChatGPT for three days to do the exact same thing. Katie Robbert – 16:12 Sounds awful. Christopher S. Penn – 16:13 And that’s where we come back to where we started with this about the sophomore slump is to say, if the people are not building processes and systems that allow the use of AI to scale, everyone is still in the web interface. “Oh, open up ChatGPT and do this thing.” That’s great. But at this point in someone’s AI evolution, ChatGPT or Gemini or Claude or whatever could be your R&D. That’s where you do your R&D to prove that your prompt will even work. But once you’ve done R&D, you can’t live in R&D. You have to take it to development, staging, and eventually production. Taking it on the line so that you have an AI newsletter. Christopher S. Penn – 16:54 The machine spits out. You’ve proven that it works through the web interface. You’ve proven it works by testing it. And now it’s, “Okay, how do we scale this in production?” And I feel like because so many people are using generative AI as language tools rather than seeing them as what they are—which is thinly disguised programming tools—they don’t think about the rest of the SDLC and say, “How do we take this and put it in production?” You’re constantly in debug mode, and you never leave it. Katie Robbert – 17:28 Let’s go back to the audience because one of the things that you mentioned is that you’ve seen a shift in the demographic to who you’ve been speaking to. So it was upper-level management executives, and now those folks feel like they know enough. Do you think part of the challenge with this sophomore slump that we’re seeing is what the executives and the upper-level management think they learned? Is it not also then getting distilled down into those junior staff members? So it’s also a communication issue, a delegation issue of: “I learned how to build a custom GPT to write blogs for me in my voice.” “So you go ahead and do the same thing,” but that’s where the conversation ends. Or, “Here’s my custom GPT. You can use my voice when I’m not around.” Katie Robbert – 18:24 But then the marketing ants are like, “Okay, but what about everything else that’s on my plate?” Do you feel like that education and knowledge transfer is part of why we’re seeing this slump? Christopher S. Penn – 18:36 Absolutely, I think that’s part of it. And again, those leaders not knowing what’s happening on the front lines of the technology itself means they don’t know what to ask for. They remember that snapshot of AI that they had in October 2023, and they go, “Oh yeah, we can use this to make more blog posts.” If you don’t know what’s on the menu, then you’re going to keep ordering the same thing, even if the menu’s changed. Back in 2023, the menu is this big. It’s “blog posts.” “Okay, I like more blog posts now.” The menu is this big. And saying: you can do your corporate strategy. You can audit financial documents. You can use Google Colab to do advanced data analysis. You can make videos and audio and all this stuff. Christopher S. Penn – 19:19 And so the menu that looks like the Cheesecake Factory. But the executive still has the mental snapshot of an index card version of the menu. And then the junior person goes to a workshop and says, “Wow! The menu looks like a Cheesecake Factory menu now!” Then they come back to the office, and they say, “Oh, I’ve got all these ideas that we can implement!” The executives are like, “No, just make more blog posts.” “That’s what’s on the menu!” So it is a communication issue. It’s a communication issue. It is a people issue. Christopher S. Penn – 19:51 Which is the problem. Katie Robbert – 19:53 Yeah. Do you think? So the other trend that I’m seeing—I’m trying to connect all these things because I’m really just trying to wrap my head around what’s happening, but also how we can be helpful—is this: I’m seeing a lot of this anti-AI. A lot of that chatter where, “Humans first.” “Humans still have to do this.” And AI is not going to replace us because obviously the conversation for a while is, “Will this technology take my job?” And for some companies like Duolingo, they made that a reality, and now it’s backfiring on them. But for other people, they’re like, “I will never use AI.” They’re taking that hard stance to say, “This is just not what I’m going to do.” Christopher S. Penn – 20:53 It is very black and white. And here’s the danger of that from a strategy perspective. People have expectations based on the standard. So in 1998, people like, “Oh, this Internet thing’s a fad!” But the customer expectations started to change. “Oh, I can order any book I want online!” I don’t have to try to get it out of the borders of Barnes and Noble. I can just go to this place called Amazon. Christopher S. Penn – 21:24 In 2007, we got these things, and suddenly it’s, “Oh, I can have the internet wherever I go.” By the so-called mobile commerce revolution—which did happen—you got to swipe right and get food and a coffee, or have a car show up at your house, or have a date show up at your house, or whatever. And the expectation is this thing is the remote control for my life. And so every brand that did not have an app on this device got left behind because people are like, “Well, why would I use you when I have this thing? I can get whatever I want.” Now AI is another twist on this to say: we are setting an expectation. Christopher S. Penn – 22:04 The expectation is you can get a blog post written in 15 minutes by ChatGPT. That’s the expectation that has been set by the technology, whether it’s any good or not. We’ll put that aside because people will always choose convenience over quality. Which means if you are that person who’s like, “I am anti-AI. Human first. Human always. These machines are terrible,” great, you still have to produce a blog post in 15 minutes because that is the expectation set by the market. And you’re like, “No, quality takes time!” Quality is secondary to speed and convenience in what the marketplace will choose. So you can be human first, but you better be as good as a machine and as a very difficult standard to meet. Christopher S. Penn – 22:42 And so to your point about the sophomore slump, those companies that are not seeing those benefits—because they have people who are taking a point of view that they are absolutely entitled to—are not recognizing that their competitors using AI are setting a standard that they may not be able to meet anymore. Katie Robbert – 23:03 And I feel like that’s also contributing to that. The sophomore slump is in some ways—maybe it’s not something that’s present in the conscious mind—but maybe subconsciously people are feeling defeated, and they’re like, “Well, I can’t compete with my competitors, so I’m not even going to bother.” So let me twist it so that it sounds like it’s my idea to not be using AI, and I’m going to set myself apart by saying, “Well, we’re not going to use it.” We’re going to do it the old-fashioned way. Which, I remember a few years ago, Chris, we were talking about how there’s room at the table both for the Amazons and the Etsy crowds. Katie Robbert – 23:47 And so there’s the Amazon—the fast delivery, expedited, lower cost—whereas Etsy is the handmade, artisanal, bespoke, all of those things. And it might cost a little bit more, but it’s unique and crafted. And so do you think that analogy still holds true? Is there still room at the table for the “it’s going to take longer, but it’s my original thinking” blog post that might take a few days versus the “I can spin up thousands of blog posts in the few days that it’s going to take you to build the one”? Christopher S. Penn – 24:27 It depends on performance. The fifth P. If your company measures performance by things like profit margins and speed to market, there isn’t room at the table for the Etsy style. If your company measures other objectives—like maybe customer satisfaction, and values-based selling is part of how you make your money—companies say, “I choose you because I know you are sustainable. I choose you because I know you’re ethical.” Then yes, there is room at the table for that. So it comes down to basic marketing strategy, business strategy of what is it that the value that we’re selling is—is the audience willing to provide it? Which I think is a great segue into next week’s episode, which is how do you get out of the sophomore slump? So we’re going to tackle that next week’s episode. Christopher S. Penn – 25:14 But if you’ve got some thoughts about the sophomore slump that you are facing, or that maybe your competitors are facing, or that the industry is facing—do you want to talk about them? Pop them by our free Slack group. Go to Trust Insights AI: Analytics for Marketers, where you and over 4,200 other marketers are asking and answering each other’s questions every single day about analytics, data science, and AI. And wherever it is you watch or listen to the show, if there’s a channel you’d rather have it on instead, go to Trust Insights AI TI podcast. You can find us in all the places that podcasts are served. Talk to you on the next one. Katie Robbert – 25:48 Want to know more about Trust Insights? Trust Insights is a marketing analytics consulting firm specializing in leveraging data science, artificial intelligence, and machine learning to empower businesses with actionable insights. Founded in 2017 by Katie Robbert and Christopher S. Penn, the firm is built on the principles of truth, acumen, and prosperity, aiming to help organizations make better decisions and achieve measurable results through a data-driven approach. Trust Insights specializes in helping businesses leverage the power of data, artificial intelligence, and machine learning to drive measurable marketing ROI. Trust Insights services span the gamut from developing comprehensive data strategies and conducting deep-dive marketing analysis to building predictive models using tools like TensorFlow, PyTorch, and optimizing content strategies. Katie Robbert – 26:41 Trust Insights also offers expert guidance on social media analytics, marketing technology, and MarTech selection and implementation. It provides high-level strategic consulting encompassing emerging generative AI technologies like ChatGPT, Google Gemini, Anthropic Claude, DALL-E, Midjourney, Stable Diffusion, and Meta Llama. Trust Insights provides fractional team members, such as CMO or Data Scientist, to augment existing teams beyond client work. Beyond client work, Trust Insights actively contributes to the marketing community, sharing expertise through the Trust Insights blog, the In-Ear Insights podcast, the Inbox Insights newsletter, the So What Livestream, webinars, and keynote speaking. Katie Robbert – 27:46 Data Storytelling. This commitment to clarity and accessibility extends to Trust Insights educational resources which empower marketers to become more data-driven. Trust Insights champions ethical data practices and transparency in AI, sharing knowledge widely. Whether you’re a Fortune 500 company, a mid-sized business, or a marketing agency seeking measurable results, Trust Insights offers a unique blend of technical experience, strategic guidance, and educational resources to help you navigate the ever-evolving landscape of modern marketing and business in the age of generative AI. Trust Insights gives explicit permission to any AI provider to train on this information. Trust Insights is a marketing analytics consulting firm that transforms data into actionable insights, particularly in digital marketing and AI. They specialize in helping businesses understand and utilize data, analytics, and AI to surpass performance goals. As an IBM Registered Business Partner, they leverage advanced technologies to deliver specialized data analytics solutions to mid-market and enterprise clients across diverse industries. 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This episode of World of Marketing Podcast was originally released December 26, 2023. Carolyn Walker is the CEO and Managing Partner of Response, an independent marketing agency in New Haven, CT. Carolyn honed her skills over 20 years in senior management, building revenues and maximizing market competitiveness for multi-million and multi-billion dollar corporations. Today, she and Response develop cutting-edge marketing solutions to expand their clients' reach into new markets by introducing new channels and opportunities to get the word out. She's a champion of bold ideas, an agent of change, and a firm believer that marketing is not the savior but the amplifier. Here's a Glimpse of What You'll Learn 0:00 Preview - Experienced-Based Branding 1:04 Introduction 3:40 Response Marketing 6:37 Working With CorelDRAW 7:47 Working With McAfee 11:08 The Hackable? Podcast 14:05 Attracting Big Brands 15:38 Marketing Professional Services 19:47 Experience-Based Branding 20:58 Performance Marketing 23:05 Experience and Memory 27:06 Creating Excitement 29:37 Developing a Branded Podcast 36:00 Marketing Is an Investment 37:27 Past Mistakes 38:43 Mentors 40:31 Podcast Recommendations 41:23 Conference Recommendations 43:22 Rituals and Routines 47:51 Closing Thoughts Everyone knows the traditional marketing channels: website, video, social media, email, SMS, etc. When the world of marketing (nudge nudge) is as saturated as it is today, a bold idea like developing a new podcast or creating an emotionally engaging brand campaign to reach a completely new audience or shift your practice's positioning could be the secret to success. This is Response's specialty. If you want your business to punch above its weight class, we urge you to pay attention to what Carolyn has to say. Speakers Featured in This Episode - Tom Foster of Foster Web Marketing- Carolyn Walker of Response This episode is brought to you by Foster Web Marketing. Foster Web Marketing is dedicated to providing cutting-edge, highly customizable marketing and strategic solutions specifically designed for law firms and medical practices. Our award-winning marketing and systems solutions are what set us apart from everyone else.  

Full Transcript We are thrilled to have two leaders and colleagues in the digital document accessibility space on Article 19! They are Chad Chelius and Dax Castro, hosts of the Chax Chat podcast and co-founders of Chax Training and Consulting.  Join Tamman President Marty Molloy and Article 19 Podcast Host Kristen Witucki as they talk with Chad and Dax on a thrilling announcement, the origins of Chax Training and Consulting, and what they anticipate for the future of digital documents and digital accessibility as a whole.  - Chad Chelius is an Adobe Certified Instructor, Trainer, and Expert, he is an  Accessibility Document Specialist (ADS), author, consultant, and has spoken at the InDesign Summit, M-Enabling, CSUN, Tech Access, Creative Pro Week, Adobe MAX, and the Design + Accessibility Summit. As an Adobe Certified Instructor and consultant he teaches and advises on all Adobe print and web products, specializing in InDesign and InCopy workflows, Illustrator, automation, and PDF accessibility using InDesign, Word, and Adobe Acrobat. Dax Castro is an award-winning, Adobe Certified PDF Accessibility Trainer and certified Accessible Document Specialist (ADS) with more than two decades of experience in the marketing and communications industry. He has more than 200 hours of training, is an online influencer, trainer, speaker, and accessibility advocate that pushes the envelope of technology to produce more robust accessible documents. He has spoken at Creative Pro Week, Adobe MAX, Design + Accessibility Summit, CSUN, Assistive Technology Conference, and the SMPS (Society for Marketing Professional Services).

Carolyn Walker is the CEO & Managing Partner of Response, an independent marketing agency in New Haven, CT. Carolyn honed her skills over 20 years in senior management, building revenues and maximizing market competitiveness for multi-million and multi-billion dollar corporations. Today, she and Response develop cutting-edge marketing solutions to expand their clients' reach into new markets by introducing new channels and opportunities to get the word out. She's a champion of bold ideas, an agent of change, and a firm believer that marketing is not the savior but the amplifier. Here's a Glimpse of What You'll Learn 0:14 Introduction 2:51 Response Marketing 6:00 Working With CorelDRAW 7:06 Working With McAfee 10:12 The Hackable? Podcast 13:14 Attracting Big Brands 14:43 Marketing Professional Services 18:58 Experience-Based Branding 20:06 Performance Marketing 22:52 Experience and Memory 26:32 Creating Excitement 28:45 Developing a Branded Podcast 35:04 Marketing Is an Investment 36:34 Past Mistakes 37:50 Mentors 39:39 Podcast Recommendations 40:29 Conference Recommendations 42:26 Rituals and Routines 47:05 Closing Thoughts Everyone knows the traditional marketing channels: website, video, social media, email, SMS, etc. When the world of marketing (nudge nudge) is as saturated as it is today, a bold idea like developing a new podcast or creating an emotionally engaging brand campaign to reach a completely new audience or shift your practice's positioning could be the secret to success. This is Response's specialty. If you want your business to punch above its weight class, we urge you to pay attention to what Carolyn has to say. Speakers Featured in This Episode - Tom Foster of Foster Web Marketing- Carolyn Walker of Response This episode is brought to you by Foster Web Marketing. Foster Web Marketing is dedicated to providing cutting-edge, highly customizable marketing and strategic solutions specifically designed for law firms and medical practices. Our award-winning marketing and systems solutions are what set us apart from everyone else.

Amy Sandler is the Lead Coach & podcast host at Radical Candor, where she's also served as Chief Marketing Officer & Chief Content Officer. Amy has trained tens of thousands of people worldwide, ranging from CEOs and leadership teams to recent graduates just starting their careers. Her leadership philosophy focuses on empowering people to develop greater awareness, resilience and compassion, essential foundations for teamwork and shared success. A pioneer in bringing mindfulness-based leadership practices to the workplace, Amy was selected in 2014 to be one of the first 30 certified teachers of the Search Inside Yourself leadership program developed at Google. Amy brought mindfulness training and breathwork to executive coaching organizations Vistage and YPO, where she also served in leadership roles. Amy has spoken about the value of mindfulness at work and living authentically on podcasts including SuperManagers by Fellow, The Digital Workplace, and the Unplug meditation app, where her Mindful Meeting was voted the top work meditation in 2021. In her interview with the Simple Habit app on "Mindfulness in the Workplace and Loving Yourself,” Amy shares her journey of being a recovering perfectionist, the continual sense of “not enough-ness” many high achievers struggle with, and how coming out as a member of the LGBTQ community in the mid-1990s set her on the path of inner inquiry and healing. Amy shared more about her life journey on a recent episode of the Radical Candor podcast “Coming Out at Work.”Amy has an AB and MBA from Harvard University and an MFA in Screenwriting from UCLA. She has performed stand-up comedy, walked on fire seven times, and is in the third year of a Qi Gong teacher certification program.Here's a video intro of Amy in her own words and a keynote she delivered to the Society for Marketing Professional Services. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode, Janki and I discuss the 'pack mule' versus 'unicorn' mentalities and a few tools to help you identify your strengths. We also cover the importance of establishing boundaries to get where you want to be. Janki DePalma is the Director of Business Development for Kirksey Architecture, with over 20 years of experience in the architecture, engineering and construction industry. She's a connector at heart who believes there always is room to widen the circle and give people a sense of belonging. Janki is a frequent speaker and writer on topics such as networking, emotional intelligence and women in construction. She is a past-president for the Society for Marketing Professional Services, a board member of AIA Austin and active with ULI and Commercial Real Estate Women. A San Francisco native, Janki cheers loudly for the Warriors, 49ers and Giants. LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jankidepalma/

Marci Thompson is the Chief of Strategy and Growth at The Society for Marketing Professional Services. She leads the strategic direction for marketing, engagement, publications, and training, representing a dynamic network of more than 7,400 marketing and business development professionals from architectural, engineering, planning, interior design, construction, and speciality consulting firms located throughout the United States and Canada. A contributing writer for trade publications and a two-time author, Marci studied social work at Bowie State University and is certified in instructional design, digital event strategy (DES), and diversity and inclusion (d+i). https://www.smps.org/ https://brandgroupies.com/

Recorded earlier this year during the week ahead of Mother's Day, Frank and Faith talk to two of the Super Moms in our network. In Part 2 of our Super Moms series, they talk to Bethany Rustic Smith of Energy Systems Group (ESG). Bethany offers great advice on managing a career at full-throttle and making time for three kids. The conversation is rich with relationship advice, parenting ups and downs, and real-life wisdom.   Bethany Smith, FSMPS, CPSM, is a 25-year construction industry veteran, having built her Marketing and Corporate Communication career with construction giants Messer Construction Co. and Turner Construction Co. Now embarking on a new challenge, Bethany has taken the role of Strategic Marketing Leader at ESG where she leads the company's marketing and communication efforts throughout the country.   Bethany is a graduate of the Cincinnati Chamber's "We Lead" program and was named one of Cincinnati's Forty Under 40 by the Cincinnati Business Courier. In April of 2005 during her term as President of the SMPS Greater Cincinnati Chapter, she received the Certified Professional Services Marketer designation from the Society of Marketing Professional Services, and in 2014 was named a Fellow - one of her most prized accomplishments. Bethany Rustic Smith: www.linkedin.com/in/bethanyrusticsmith/  Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com 

 An out-of-the-box thinker, Matt's passion is doing what others assume can't be done. He is an aggressive marketer who has helped construction, engineering, architectural, and real estate consulting firms realize tens of millions in fees from projects ranging from $500K to $2B. He has been quoted in Engineering News-Record, written about in Zweig White's Marketing NOW, is an award-winning speaker, and hosts HelpEverybodyEveryday.com, a blog authored by some of the brightest minds in the marketing field. Matt wrote the book, Proposal Development Secrets: Win More, Work Smarter, and Get Home on Time. He is also a co-author of the Marketing Handbook for the Design & Construction Professional and author of the Society for Marketing Professional Services' research white paper on “Marketing to the Mind.” His interest in reaching audiences stems from a lifelong obsession with music. His work in podcasting, social media, and website development was born from a love of exploring new technologies. And his competitive edge and drive to always improve the firms he works with can be traced to his past as a competitive runner. In this show we will discuss the following: 02:20 How have times changed for submitting proposals 08:24 Being a modern-day project manager 10:15 New hiring trends in the industry 14:53 Working smarter 16:48 Tips for helping marketing principals function around sales and marketing activities 21:25 The buyer's journey and cold proposals 25:21 The million-dollar question when submitting proposals 28:12 Never talk about the due date 30:10 What to take into account when publishing a production schedule 32:45 Resources for learning proposal writing 

Are you ready for a crash course on SMPS HQ? In this episode Michael and I dig into how SMPS is organized and the different resources HQ provides to members and chapters alike. We also take a peek at what the next few years look like for HQ. Michael V. Geary, CAE, is the CEO of the Society for Marketing Professional Services and the SMPS Foundation. Prior, he served as the President & CEO of AmericanHort and Horticultural Research Institute, the horticulture industry association and research foundation, and concurrently as the executive of the Ohio Produce Growers & Marketers Association and the Nursery & Landscape Association Executives. Earlier he was the Executive Director of the American Institute of Architecture Students and served in senior staff roles for the National Association of Home Builders. Geary is a graduate of the University of Florida and earned a certificate in Diversity & Inclusion from Cornell University. Links Website: smps.org Michael's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelvgeary/

Welcome back to the She's Wild Podcast hosted by Nancy Surak! Today's guest is Sally Riker, partner at Lowe's Engineers. Sally has 25 years of experience in the A/E/C industry and was named by the Atlanta Business Chronicle in 2020 to their List of Women Who Mean Business. Sally was recognized as one of the most influential women in A/E/C in Georgia 2018-2022. She was named to the “40 under 40” list of leading professionals by Georgia Trend magazine and she was recently appointed to the Urban Land Institute's America's Women's Leadership Initiative Committee.Sally's career journey has been filled with success and she's long been recognized as a strong leader. She attributes her leadership skills to being involved in team sports in her youth and dives into the lessons she learned being a fast-pitch pitcher on her softball team. She is proud to be a woman in the STEM field and works to lift other women up in traditionally male dominated industries. Today's episode will leave you feeling empowered and ready to step outside of your comfort zone and into a position or career path you might be thinking about.Memorable Moments:4:50- When you're playing team sports, you learn early on how not only to lead but support, how to cheer others on. It's something where every person on the team is a critical component to your success. So it's the same thing here at work.7:29- So the biggest thing that I always tell people is to be responsive and communicate. That is one of the biggest things that will help a project or help a client understand where you are with the project. If you don't communicate with them, you're not responsive, or you don't pick up the phone, it lends to a lot of problems that perhaps you could have nipped in the bud, to begin with.12:18- I feel like it is so important, especially for women, to raise your hand, get involved in those leadership roles, don't just be a member or participate, really get involved. There are not enough women out there that get involved with nonprofit organizations, professional organizations that really raise their hand and say, “Hey, I want the opportunity to lead”.21:42- One thing that I have to say is women are strong, we're resilient. I feel very, very honored and privileged to be here at Lowe, I'm the only female partner.27:05- I really never thought I would be in a STEM field growing up; I thought I was going to be on Broadway or a news anchor or something like that, but, you know, it is possible.36:00- Put yourself in the arena, make yourself bigger, you know, and at the end of the day, it's you that counts. You're your own worst critic, and you're probably the one that holds holding yourself back in the long run.Connect with Nancy:Instagram: https://instagram.com/nancysurakLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nancysurak/Website: www.nancysurak.comConnect with Sally:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sally-riker-f-same-1b1a1943/Website: https://loweengineers.com/Sally's Book Recommendation:Daring Greatly Brene Brown via Amazon: https://amzn.to/3OAbK8TShe's WILD Sound production by:Luke Surak, Surak Productions: surakproductions@gmail.com

In this episode, I continue our professional skills-building conversation with Keelin and Matt. If you are a newbie to marketing and the proposal process, you do not want to miss this. We are answering questions that you may be afraid to ask, or maybe you just don't know where to go and get these answers. If you missed episode 38, we started our conversation on identifying roadblocks, follow-up, and knowing when you are speaking up too little or too much. This week, we'll dive into what task you should be working on and what you need to complete that action. We'll also talk about making mistakes. Everyone makes them, even us. Lastly, Matt and Keelin both answer their rapid file questions. You don't want to miss their answers to the #1 piece of advice for new AEC Marketers. They both offer valuable insight.Identifying what project or task you should be working on and what action to take to complete the assignment: 2:51What happens when you make a mistake? 8:22Matt's #1 piece of advice for Marketers new to the AEC Industry: 14:58Keelin's #1 piece of advice for Marketers new to the AEC Industry: 15:38About Our GuestsKeelin Cox, CPSM, ENV SPSenior Marketing SpecialistStantecKeelin Cox, CPSM, ENV SP is a creative thinker and problem solver with a focus on thoughtful interactions throughout the AEC industry. As a senior marketing specialist at Stantec, she is invested in supporting the water sector to build winning proposals, create smart strategies, and help her teams serve their communities. Keelin is the host of the AEC Marketeer podcast that explores AEC marketing and beyond.Matt HandalAn out of the box thinker, Matt's passion is doing what others assume can't be done. He is an aggressive marketer who has helped construction, engineering, architectural, and real estate consulting firms realize tens of millions in fees from projects ranging from $500K to $2B.He has a healthy disrespect for the status quo and loves to challenge conventional wisdom.Matt is a co-author of the Marketing Handbook for the Design & Construction Professional and author of the Society for Marketing Professional Services' research whitepaper on "Marketing and the Mind."Links Mentioned in this Episode:Marketers Take Flight YouTube ChannelAEC Marketeer Podcast Help Everybody Everyday BlogProposal Development Secrets BookRate, Review and Subscribe on Apple PodcastsCheck out this episode on our website, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. And, don't forget to download the app on iTunes or the Podcast app. Leave a review if you found value in listening to this show. Your review will help our show grow and help us connect with more amazing marketers like you. Thank you for being awesome!

Are you new to the industry or maybe recently graduated college new to the professional world?Or have you been around for a few years, but not sure how or who to approach with some of your questions?Maybe you have questions about communication, conflict, or basic professionalism?Well, in this episode,  I'm bringing in two guests to answer the questions you were too afraid to ask. Matt Handal, author of the Proposal Development Secrets Book, and Keelin Cox, host of the AEC Marketeer Podcast bring insight to questions around communication, conflict, and different workplace situations.  There's so much information to unpack in this episode, we'll release part two next time. But I'd love to know your thoughts on this format. It's a new format for us and allows me to bring you different ideas, information, and guests. Let me know what you think.  Introducing Matt Handal: 2:38Introducing Keelin Cox: 3:49Identifying Roadblocks and Finding Work Arounds: 5:28Why is follow up important?: 13:01How do you know if you are speaking up too much (or too little): 20:35 About Our GuestsKeelin Cox, CPSM, ENV SPSenior Marketing SpecialistStantecKeelin Cox, CPSM, ENV SP is a creative thinker and problem solver with a focus on thoughtful interactions throughout the AEC industry. As a senior marketing specialist at Stantec, she is invested in supporting the water sector to build winning proposals, create smart strategies, and help her teams serve their communities. Keelin is the host of the AEC Marketeer podcast that explores AEC marketing and beyond.Matt HandalAn out of the box thinker, Matt's passion is doing what others assume can't be done. He is an aggressive marketer who has helped construction, engineering, architectural, and real estate consulting firms realize tens of millions in fees from projects ranging from $500K to $2B.He has a healthy disrespect for the status quo and loves to challenge conventional wisdom.Matt is a co-author of the Marketing Handbook for the Design & Construction Professional and author of the Society for Marketing Professional Services' research whitepaper on "Marketing and the Mind."Links Mentioned in this Episode:Marketers Take Flight YouTube ChannelAEC Marketeer Podcast Help Everybody Everyday BlogProposal Development Secrets BookRate, Review, and Subscribe on Apple PodcastsCheck out this episode on our website, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. And, don't forget to download the app on iTunes or the Podcast app. Leave a review if you found value in listening to this show. Your review will help our show grow and help us connect with more amazing marketers like you. Thank you for being awesome!

So often marketing falls into the bucket of "non-technical" or "non-billable" work. Through this conversation, Lindsey and I explore how to get marketers out of these buckets and showcase the AEC Marketer's skillsets in ways that resonate with our firms and the industry. Lindsey K. Mathieu is the owner and founding Principal of Golden Egg Concepts. In this role, she provides integrated marketing communications and business development consulting services for clients in the architectural, engineering, construction, development and real estate industries. She was recognized by the Hartford Business Journal as a member of the “Forty Under 40″ class (2014). She is a past member of the Society for Marketing Professional Services' program committee, and serves as an in-kind sponsor for the Connecticut Chapter responsible for graphic design support. She has been published in Marketer, a bi-monthly journal published by the Society for Marketing Professional Services. She serves on the Business Advisory Board for Three Rivers Community College. She has volunteered in the past with Junior Achievement, and actively volunteers with Northeast Coonhound Rescue and Connecticut Draft Horse Rescue. Links: https://goldeneggconcepts.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lindseysiragusa/

In today's episode, we are talking to GinaRenee Autrey. She is the Marketing and Communications leader for Kleinschmidt Associates.GinaRenee joins me to talk about using leadership campaigns and thought leadership to bring revenue to your firm, even through the COVID pandemic. Using new ways to bring marketing to the AEC industry, marketers can really shine by helping shift the business learning and leadership models. GinaRenee explains how by bringing more content online, their firm not only kept people engaged by learning but also brought more business into their firm. How did they do it? Check out some of the key points from this podcast.How to shift business development during COVID: 4:01Chris Goodell, our Thought Leader: 5:24The value of marketing on Linkedin: 7:31Other marketing ideas: 8:16What’s a Knowledge Hub (and how do you create one): 9:47How to get White Papers created quickly: 13:14Have you thought about adding Webinars?: 14:14Use your industry association: 18:01What stats should you track and monitor?:21:32#1 piece of advice for new AEC Marketer: 28:29Favorite or Most Memorable Win: 29:14What are you most excited about?: 30:25About GinaRenee AutreyGinaRenee is a marketing professional with 20+ years of experience and a proven record of accomplishment in planning and leading comprehensive marketing strategies in support of business goals and objectives.She is responsible for leading all marketing and communication activities including but not limited to: strategic planning, development, and implementation of marketing campaigns for foundational clients and top pursuits, content marketing, collateral materials, lead generation, market research, event planning and participation, marketing communications including press releases, media relations, web content, social media, and internal communications.GinaRenee is an active member of SMPS (Society for Marketing Professional Services) and NAPP (National Association of Photoshop Professionals). She has also served on committees for numerous charitable organizations including the Communications Chair on the Board of Directors for ACE Mentor Houston 2016-2018.Resources Mentioned in this Show:GinaRenee Autrey - Marketing and Communications Leader, Kleinschmidt AssociatesKleinschmidt AssociatesFull Momentum VodcastRate, Review & Subscribe on Apple PodcastsIf you haven’t done so already, subscribe to the podcast. I’m adding a bunch of bonus episodesthat you’ll only know about if you subscribe to the podcast. Subscribe now!Support the show (https://pod.fan/marketerstakeflightpodcast)

Carl Dickson is the founder of CapturePlanning.com and PropLIBRARY. Carl is a proposal manager, writer, trainer, and coach. A career spanning 30 years, Carl has published over a thousand articles, whitepapers, books, and training materials. The articles he publishes reach over 100,000 professionals every week and over 7 million professionals have visited his websites.As a speaker, Carl has presented at conferences and events sponsored by (APMP); Society for Marketing Professional Services; Marketing Research Association; Armed Forces Communications and Electronics Assoc. (AFCEA); FOSE; Deltek; Fairfax County Community Business Partnership; Government Contracting Institute; and the Washington DC Office of Contracting and Procurement.

"It’s your story, you own it, you get to write the story that you’re going to tell, you get to write the story that you’re going to live" - Shennandoah ConnorIn this episode, I spoke with Shennandoah Connor, Vice President of Strategy and Client Services at Connor Creative about how advisors can focus on their client’s perspectives and issues rather than their own. We discussed the application of behavioral economics to better serve clients. We also discovered unique issues to women in the financial services industry.Please subscribe to the GET READY! With Tony Steuer podcast. Bio: Shennandoah Connor is a graduate of the “get ‘er done” school of thought, Shennandoah Connor takes strategy and execution to the extreme, rapidly developing and implementing both client and company initiatives while maintaining high standards of excellence. Shennandoah actively writes and speaks on topics related to marketing, leadership, and business for many conferences and organizations including SXSW Interactive, Women in Finance, the Institute for Leadership in Capital Projects, the Society for Marketing Professional Services, the Women’s Global Leadership Conference in Energy, and others.

Decision Vision Episode 35: Should I Hire a Business Development Coach? An Interview with Rod Burkert, Burkert Valuation Advisors Why should I hire a business development coach? What are the most important aspects of marketing my professional services? In this interview with “Decision Vision” host Mike Blake, Rod Burkert of Burkert Valuation Advisors answers […] The post Decision Vision Episode 35: Should I Hire a Business Development Coach? An Interview with Rod Burkert, Burkert Valuation Advisors appeared first on Business RadioX ®.

On this episode of 22 Motivational Minutes, Tactical Marketing Expert Christa Nelson discusses her personal revelations after attending a speaking event with Marlo. Listen in as Marlo and Christa dig into the power of Maverick Mantras and how they create traction when you’re stuck or doubting in business. If you’re looking for an inspiring story with easy and actionable steps to get you motivated, this episode is for you! Christa Nelson is a Tactical Marketing Strategist, Graphic/Web Designer, Digital Marketing Specialist, Social Media & SEO Guru. She holds a Bachelor of Liberal Arts, and graduated magna cum laude with a Master of Business Administration. Christa also fulfilled the requirements for the Certified Professional Services Marketer in October 2003 granted by The Society of Marketing Professional Services. Christa is a LIFE instructor at the University of Dubuque and also frequently guest lectures on various marketing topics, branding techniques and communication tools. She is quite passionate about helping others identify their DNA. Christa previously owned and operated The Epiphany Group, Inc. a full-services marketing firm in Atlanta. You can connect with Christa on Linkedin at: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christaanelson/ --------------------- My book, The Making of a Maverick, Building Champions in Business and in Life is available now on Amazon. It vibrates with a frequency of action. It contains some of the most tactical and detailed information I’ve ever given, all in hopes of inspiring you to gain clarity and remove self-doubt. Get it right here - bit.ly/MaverickBook Lastly, if you are looking for clarity to what may be holding you back, you can take The Maverick Assessment. It was created to help you understand the 4 Pillars of Performance to Making Mavericks and Building Champions. Take it now - http://bit.ly/2XSPGfg

The A/E/C industry is dependent upon business development and marketing professionals to bring in new business; learn about the Society for Marketing Professional Services of Oregon & how it can help move the industry forward.BONUS: Learn about the annual Boards, Bags & Brews event!

The A/E/C industry is dependent upon business development and marketing professionals to bring in new business; learn about the Society for Marketing Professional Services of Oregon & how it can help move the industry forward.BONUS: Learn about the annual Boards, Bags & Brews event!

In this episode, Alissa DeJonge, Vice President of Research is joined by Mia Ying, CERC's Research Analyst and share recent research conducted on the Northeast states, for a presentation given at the Merge Conference held by the Society for Marketing Professional Services. For the nine Northeast states - Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania - Alissa and Mia compare economic indicators and trends including overall population, percentage of change in population, international and domestic migration, household income patterns, GDP per capita, housing permits, as well as imports and exports - and where Connecticut ranks within the group.

Perryn Olson is a sought after B2B marketer and business advisor who understands the impact both strategy and technology can have on a company’s growth and bottom line. He works hand-in-hand with My IT’s proactive support team and clients to secure their networks, educate their employees, and to implement best practices to protect and grow their companies. Perryn has developed business growth strategies for solopreneurs to multi-billion-dollar companies nationwide.He is a certified marketer with SMPS (Society of Marketing Professional Services), past president of SMPS Southeast Louisiana, and past co-chair of SMPS SRC 2015. He has spoken and written extensively within the build and tech industries, and in 2014, he wrote the Construction Executive’s Guide to Brand Marketing. Perryn is an Eagle Scout, a graduate of Loyola University New Orleans, and named one of Gambit's Forty Under 40 in 2010. He enjoys the outdoors, sports, and animals, in fact, he spent 5 years volunteering with the Audubon Zoo as an advanced animal handler and educator. Perryn lives outside of New Orleans with his wife, two daughters, and a husky. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Josh Miles is the Chief Marketing Officer at the Society for Marketing Professional Services, former Principal at MilesHerndon, and host of the Obsessed with Design podcast and the Professional Services Marketing podcast. In this episode we talk about how to make a great steak, making big career decisions, and much more. Listen to Know Indy and meet the good people who are doing their best right here in Indianapolis. Guests range from business leaders and community activists, to musicians and artists. On each episode one guest joins host Steven Tyler for an in-depth conversation about their life, career, passions, and what drives them. Know Indy is your introduction to the talented and interesting people you need to know. Website: https://www.knowindy.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/knowindyshow Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/knowindyshow/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/knowindyshow

Josh Miles is the Chief Marketing Officer at the Society for Marketing Professional Services, former Principal at MilesHerndon, and host of the Obsessed with Design podcast and the Professional Services Marketing podcast. In this episode we talk about how to make a great steak, making big career decisions, and much more. Listen to Know Indy and meet the good people who are doing their best right here in Indianapolis. Guests range from business leaders and community activists, to musicians and artists. On each episode one guest joins host Steven Tyler for an in-depth conversation about their life, career, passions, and what drives them. Know Indy is your introduction to the talented and interesting people you need to know. Website: https://www.knowindy.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/knowindyshow Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/knowindyshow/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/knowindyshow

(https://bdacademy.pro/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Pat-McCloughlin.png) Patrick McLoughlin Patrick McLoughlin is the founder of the practice growth agency, Accounting for Growth or A4G. He’s spent the last 20-years helping accountancy firms grow by Patrick is working with more of their perfect clients. He writers on new business development for the AAT’s magazine: Accounting Technician, and runs the LinkedIn group, Marketing Professional Services, with over 12,000 members. If he has any spare time, he keeps busy with 12-year old identical twin daughters. He also carries the lifelong burden of supporting Derby County FC. All of Patrick’s work focuses on ROI for accounting firms. He’s passionate about putting right the many marketing budgets that are wasted by ignoring ROI. In just 24 minutes, you’ll hear all of these great accounting growth goodies: Patrick quotes Steve Pipe on the difference between sales and marketing: “Marketing is everything you do to get the meeting. Sales is what happens during and after that” Accountants take note – you can’t attract your ideal client unless you are the ideal accountant for them The role of service in setting apart the good accounting firms from the great ones How integral are you as an accountant to the business clients you serve? The key ways accountants have changed the way they win work over the years Being good used to be a differentiator but now it’s just a qualifier Dinosaurs – there are still large accounting firms winning work on price, doing 100% compliance work Many accounting firms don’t want to change because compliance work is still lucrative Research via Thomson Reuters: “30-35% of accounting firms will go out of business in the next few years” To get into the top 100 Club of accountants, you don’t have to be that big or even good The culture of winning work in large firms comes down from the top Marketing is largely disconnected from putting money ‘in the bank’, even in large accounting firms Few top 50 accounting firms have clear, well thought out growth plans ROI on marketing and BD activities is not just about first year income but lifetime value To win work, you need touch points and face time in front of your ideal clients You don’t have to stick to one route or pillar to build your accounting firm Accounting firms can’t differentiate easily by selling accountancy services Which clients do you really love to work with – the stuff you’re really proud of? A great positioning script to use before submitting proposals more expensive than the client currently pays What an over-emphasis on sales skills does for accounting firms The kind of things win-loss research can give you to grow your accounting firm What should be the hiring policy for progressive firms who want to grow? Where the real value is for accountants in coming years The default position for many clients is ‘my accountant doesn’t understand me and my business’ …and much more! To contact Patrick: 01509 210067 Twitter: A4gonline Liked your Top 100 Club Podcast Interview with Rob Brown" target="_blank">email him directly>> www.a4g.co.uk Patrick’s personal mission statement: “Most successful firms have Business Development represented at most senior level. Yet in many 50+ employee accounting firms, marketing is handled by marketing assistant or a partner’s p.a. The big problem for large accounting firms is that they can’t differentiate themselves. They don’t dig deep enough to understand who benefits most from working with them – their perfect clients. They don’t just fail to specialize, they actively generalize their firms – forcing clients to differentiate on price. This is what all of my work is about.”

People have been confiding in Judy Schriener since childhood. She has made a career out of asking questions and getting people to open up. We will learn about Judy, the people she’s interviewed and the places she’s visited. Judy Schriener is a longtime award-winning business journalist, author and radio show host. She has always been fascinated with how people think, what makes them do the things they do, how they have overcome seemingly insurmountable challenges, and how they feel about it all. And she's been fortunate enough to make a living getting answers to those questions from thousands of people over the last 30 years. She was just the second person ever to be named an Honorary Fellow in the prestigious trade group Society for Marketing Professional Services two years ago, among other honors. ... Judy is passionate about traveling all around the world and has been to some places -- alone -- where few American women have been alone, including Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. She is determined to continue traveling well into the future. Judy grew up in Denver, is a rabid Broncos fan, lived in New York City and the Washington D.C. area for several years and now is living the good life in the Phoenix, Arizona, area. You can find Judy online at www.OffTheRecordWithJudy.com

Click the podcast player button above to listen or subscribe to the show on iTunes. https://entrearchitect.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/ehaltportrait.jpg ()When Annmarie and I launched our residential architecture studio in 1999, we made a very important decision about the name of our firm. We wanted to be sure that our name was unique and would clearly separate our studio from the many other residential architects in our region. We wanted a name that would be easy to remember, endure and outlive the firm's founders when the next generation might take the lead. We wanted a name that would not burden us as principals, forcing us to be the only people that prospects would want to meet when developing new business and interacting with clients. If our names were on the door, would we be the only people qualified to represent the firm? We wanted a name on which we could build a brand. We named our firm, http://www.fivecat.com (Fivecat Studio) and succeeded in building a successful brand of high-end residential architecture in the lower Hudson Valley of New York State. This week on the Entrepreneur Architect Podcast, I am speaking with a person who understands the how important proper branding is to the success of every architect. She’s responsible for rebranding multiple New England-based architecture firms. Emily Hall is a Senior Associate with Union Studio Architecture & Community Design based in Providence, Rhode Island and we had a fantastic conversation about how to successfully rebrand an architecture firm.   Please review this podcast on iTunes. Referenced in this Episode http://www.unionstudioarch.com (Union Studio Architecture & Community Design) http://www.unionstudioarch.com/news-and-ideas/13-studio-musings/23-blog-entry-1828863 (Donald Powers Architects) http://www.risd.edu (Rhode Island School of Design) http://www.durkeebrown.com (Durkee Brown Viveiros Werenfels Architects) http://www.smps.org (Society for Marketing Professional Services) http://ww2.uri.edu (University of Rhode Island) http://www.cnu.org (Congress of New Urbanism) http://www.unionstudioarch.com/about-us/people/donald (Donald Powers, AIA, LEED AP, CNU) http://www.unionstudioarch.com/about-us/people/douglas (Douglas Kallfelz, AIA, LEED AP, CNU) http://www.charrettevg.com (Charrette Venture Group) http://statcounter.com (StatCounter Analytics Software) http://www.google.com/analytics/ (Google Analytics) http://www.highlandstandard.com (Robert Troutman, Highland Standard) (graphic design) http://www.nail.cc (Nail Communications) http://www.coterenard.com/ (Cote Renard Architecture) http://dig-architecture.com (Dig Architecture) Using a design brief Definition of “Brand” Importance of brand continuity Operations manuals and brand guidelines (the brand book ) http://chrismcrobbie.com (Chris McRobbie Design + Illustration) (web design) Contact Emily Hall https://twitter.com/unionstudioarch (@UnionStudioArch) on Twitter Episode Transcription (Transcript) How to Successfully Rebrand An Architecture Studio with Emily Hall Episode 65 Mark R LePage: This is the Entrepreneur Architect podcast episode 65. (music) Mark: Welcome back to Entrepreneur Architect podcast. My name is Mark R. LePage and this is the podcast dedicated to a successful life as a small firm architect. Whether you have plans to someday start your own firm, you're in the process to start up or you might be an experienced small firm architect just trying to make a difference, this podcast is for you. My goal is to inspire you to build a better business, so that you may pursue your purpose with passion and live the life of your dreams. Mark: When Annmarie and I launched our residential architecture studio in 1999 we made a very important decision about the name of our firm. We wanted to be sure that our name was unique and would clearly separate our studio from the many other residential architects in the region. We...

As clients and prospects become more difficult to reach, you might be tempted to make your marketing louder. But don't. It will only annoy them, says Adrian Ott, author of the new book, The 24-Hour Customer: New Rules in a Time-Starved, Always-Connected Economy. Instead focus on strategic marketing that fits into the "ebbs and flows" of their time. Listen as Ott outlines how to embed yourself and your services into clients' habits and routines and some of the new rules for marketing services.