Podcast appearances and mentions of Michael Pryor

We are in the realm of the unlikely with this episode, so sorting out truth from fiction is going to be tricky. Rise to the challenge! Your hosts, as usual, are Michael Pryor and George Ivanoff.

Fiction about fiction? We are so meta. Your hosts, as usual, are Michael Pryor and George Ivanoff.

It's wet and sometimes dark. Usually salty. Our ocean related stories are more interesting than that, and two out of three are even true. Your hosts, as usual, are Michael Pryor and George Ivanoff.

You wouldn't believe what we've found out about animals and plants. Or maybe you would … Your hosts, as usual, are Michael Pryor and George Ivanoff.

Look over there at bogus stories while we distract you with unlikely but true tales. Hey presto! Your hosts, as usual, are Michael Pryor and George Ivanoff.

Space is so big it has many improbabilities, so any nonsense we dream up might sound plausible. Listen and decide. Your hosts, as usual, are Michael Pryor and George Ivanoff.

This wide brown land can make it hard to tell truth from fiction. Just ask Burke and Wills. Your hosts, as usual, are Michael Pryor and George Ivanoff.

Two out of three of the stories we present to each other are true. One isn't. Only take as prescribed and always consult your doctor if in doubt. Your hosts, as usual, are Michael Pryor and George Ivanoff.

Tall tales and true from the past, but which is which? Bogus or believable? Fake or fact? You decide and we'll tell you! Your hosts, as usual, are Michael Pryor and George Ivanoff.

The history of Science includes lots of stories that are implausible, so a ludicrously false anecdote might be hard to detect, right? Try and guess anyway! Your hosts are Michael Pryor and George Ivanoff.

Kate McCarthy and Jack Heverin! Kate and Jack review all the action from Round 7 of the AFLW season, the success of Dreamtime and which teams are in line for the finals. They also take a look at the AFL Trade news.  -------

TOPICS WE EXPLOREWho is Laura McBain in case you don't already know!How might we best deliver content to young people? AND...How do we bring an asset framework and mindset to our young people and educators?How do we solve the sticky issues that we not yet addressed in our education system?How do we separate the topic of failure from the larger issue in the education system that is so focused in a deficit framed mindset?What happens when a teammate of yours loses their way and fails in front of you? What is our responsiblity when each of us fail?Missed opportunity when we don't have a process to unpack the moments when things don't work.Michael Pryor story of compliant engagement (do as I say, and THEN we can have a great time)Misconception that when we pivot to a new idea means that our previous work is "wrong"Page 63 – Part of the mystery behind failure is this opportunity to surprise yourself. (my favorite line in the book!)If everything is prescriptive, then the magical moments of learning and a strong sense of learning to learn won't happen.Curiosity is what sustains us through moments of failure. YOUR CHALLENGEShare ideas you gathered from the conversation with us on the socials.What resonated with you?RESOURCE MENTIONED IN SHOWMy Favorite Failure: How Setbacks Can Lead to Learning and Growth d.school profileLaura on TwitterLaura on LinkedIn119: The landscape of questions and listening in education with Laura McBain from d.school https://coffeeforthebrain.com/119/A video Laura provided as we explore Authentic Learning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbvn0KjtNag&feature=emb_title 

Architecture to Web3 with Michael Pryor (Metaverse @DesignMorphine , @Wilder World, @Nike ).m4a --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/mayur-m-mistry/message

On this episode of the Traction podcast, host Lloyed Lobo of Boast.AI features a fireside chat between Michael Pryor, Cofounder at Trello and Frederic Lardinois from TechCrunch at Traction Conf.    When Atlassian acquired Trello for $425 Million in 2017, the product had nearly 20 million users, all through word-of-mouth.    In this session, Michael shares his journey building Trello from idea to exit and discusses how to build products that everyone loves.   Specifically, Michael covers:   1:32 - Coming up with the idea and the launch process 10:45 - Prioritizing what to build: why you shouldn't listen to feature requests 17:16 - How Trello started monetizing 19:30 - How to get most people to love you 23:58 - Adding sales reps in addition to word-of-mouth growth 25:34 - How did Trello's acquisition by Atlassian come about   Learn more at https://tractionconf.io   Connect with Michael Pryor: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhpryor/   Learn more about Trello at https://www.atlassian.com/   This episode is brought to you by:   Each year the U.S. and Canadian governments provide more than $20 billion in R&D tax credits and innovation incentives to fund businesses. But the application process is cumbersome, prone to costly audits, and receiving the money can take as long as 16 months. Boast automates this process, enabling companies to get more money faster without the paperwork and audit risk. We don't get paid until you do! Find out if you qualify today at https://Boast.AI.   Launch Academy is one of the top global tech hubs for international entrepreneurs and a designated organization for Canada's Startup Visa. Since 2012, Launch has worked with more than 6,000 entrepreneurs from over 100 countries, of which 300 have grown their startups to seed and Series A stage and raised over $2 billion in funding. To learn more about Launch's programs or the Canadian Startup Visa, visit https://LaunchAcademy.ca     Content Allies helps B2B companies build revenue-generating podcasts. We recommend them to any B2B company that is looking to launch or streamline its podcast production. Learn more at  https://ContentAllies.com  

Join the cross functional team as we explore what “exactly” is PLG. We are joined by one of the founding father's of PLG himself, Michael Pryor, former CEO and Cofounder of Trello.

About AnilAnil Dash is the CEO of Glitch, the friendly developer community where coders collaborate to create and share millions of web apps. He is a recognized advocate for more ethical tech through his work as an entrepreneur and writer. He serves as a board member for organizations like the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the leading nonprofit defending digital privacy and expression, Data & Society Research Institute, which researches the cutting edge of tech's impact on society, and The Markup, the nonprofit investigative newsroom that pushes for tech accountability. Dash was an advisor to the Obama White House's Office of Digital Strategy, served for a decade on the board of Stack Overflow, the world's largest community for coders, and today advises key startups and non-profits including the Lower East Side Girls Club, Medium, The Human Utility, DonorsChoose and Project Include.As a writer and artist, Dash has been a contributing editor and monthly columnist for Wired, written for publications like The Atlantic and Businessweek, co-created one of the first implementations of the blockchain technology now known as NFTs, had his works exhibited in the New Museum of Contemporary Art, and collaborated with Hamilton creator Lin-Manuel Miranda on one of the most popular Spotify playlists of 2018. Dash has also been a keynote speaker and guest in a broad range of media ranging from the Obama Foundation Summit to SXSW to Desus and Mero's late-night show.Links: Glitch: https://glitch.com Web.dev: https://web.dev Glitch Twitter: https://twitter.com/glitch Anil Dash Twitter: https://twitter.com/anildash TranscriptAnnouncer: Hello, and welcome to Screaming in the Cloud with your host, Chief Cloud Economist at The Duckbill Group, Corey Quinn. This weekly show features conversations with people doing interesting work in the world of cloud, thoughtful commentary on the state of the technical world, and ridiculous titles for which Corey refuses to apologize. This is Screaming in the Cloud.Corey: It seems like there is a new security breach every day. Are you confident that an old SSH key, or a shared admin account, isn't going to come back and bite you? If not, check out Teleport. Teleport is the easiest, most secure way to access all of your infrastructure. The open source Teleport Access Plane consolidates everything you need for secure access to your Linux and Windows servers—and I assure you there is no third option there. Kubernetes clusters, databases, and internal applications like AWS Management Console, Yankins, GitLab, Grafana, Jupyter Notebooks, and more. Teleport's unique approach is not only more secure, it also improves developer productivity. To learn more visit: goteleport.com. And not, that is not me telling you to go away, it is: goteleport.com.Corey: It seems like there is a new security breach every day. Are you confident that an old SSH key, or a shared admin account, isn't going to come back and bite you? If not, check out Teleport. Teleport is the easiest, most secure way to access all of your infrastructure. The open source Teleport Access Plane consolidates everything you need for secure access to your Linux and Windows servers—and I assure you there is no third option there. Kubernetes clusters, databases, and internal applications like AWS Management Console, Yankins, GitLab, Grafana, Jupyter Notebooks, and more. Teleport's unique approach is not only more secure, it also improves developer productivity. To learn more visit: goteleport.com. And not, that is not me telling you to go away, it is: goteleport.com.Corey: This episode is sponsored in part by our friends at Redis, the company behind the incredibly popular open source database that is not the bind DNS server. If you're tired of managing open source Redis on your own, or you're using one of the vanilla cloud caching services, these folks have you covered with the go to manage Redis service for global caching and primary database capabilities; Redis Enterprise. To learn more and deploy not only a cache but a single operational data platform for one Redis experience, visit redis.com/hero. Thats r-e-d-i-s.com/hero. And my thanks to my friends at Redis for sponsoring my ridiculous non-sense.  Corey: Welcome to Screaming in the Cloud. I'm Corey Quinn. Today's guest is a little bit off the beaten path from the cloud infrastructure types I generally drag, kicking and screaming, onto the show. If we take a look at the ecosystem and where it's going, it's clear that in the future, not everyone who wants to build a business, or a tool, or even an application is going to necessarily spring fully-formed into the world from the forehead of some God, knowing how to code. And oh, “I'm going to go to a boot camp for four months to learn how to do it first,” is increasingly untenable. I don't know if you would call it low-code or not. But that's how it feels. My guest today is Anil Dash, CEO of Glitch. Anil, thank you for joining me.Anil: Thanks so much for having me.Corey: So, let's get the important stuff out of the way first, since I have a long-standing history of mispronouncing the company Twitch as ‘Twetch,' I should probably do the same thing here. So, what is Gletch? And what does it do?Anil: Glitch is, at its simplest, a tool that lets you build a full-stack app in your web browser in about 30 seconds. And, you know, for your community, your audience, it's also this ability to create and deploy code instantly on a full-stack server with no concern for deploy, or DevOps, or provisioning a container, or any of those sort of concerns. And what it is for the users is, honestly, a community. They're like, “I looked at this app that was on Glitch; I thought it was cool; I could do what we call [remixing 00:02:03].” Which is to kind of fork that app, a running app, make a couple edits, and all of a sudden live at a real URL on the web, my app is running with exactly what I built. And that's something that has been—I think, just captured a lot of people's imagination to now where they've built over 12 or 15 million apps on the platform.Corey: You describe it somewhat differently than I would, and given that I tend to assume that people who create and run successful businesses don't generally tend to do it without thought, I'm not quite, I guess, insufferable enough to figure out, “Oh, well, I thought about this for ten seconds, therefore I've solved a business problem that you have been needling at for years.” But when I look at Glitch, I would describe it as something different than the way that you describe it. I would call it a web-based IDE for low-code applications and whatnot, and you never talk about it that way. Everything I can see there describes it talks about friendly creators, and community tied to it. Why is that?Anil: You're not wrong from the conventional technologist's point of view. I—sufficient vintage; I was coding in Visual Basic back in the '90s and if you squint, you can see that influence on Glitch today. And so I don't reject that description, but part of it is about the audience we're speaking to, which is sort of a next generation of creators. And I think importantly, that's not just age, right, but that could be demographic, that can be just sort of culturally, wherever you're at. And what we look at is who's making the most interesting stuff on the internet and in the industry, and they tend to be grounded in broader culture, whether they're on, you know, Instagram, or TikTok, or, you know, whatever kind of influencer, you want to point at—YouTube.And those folks, they think of themselves as creators first and they think of themselves as participating in the community first and then the tool sort of follow. And I think one of the things that's really striking is, if you look at—we'll take YouTube as an example because everyone's pretty familiar with it—they have a YouTube Creator Studio. And it is a very rich and deep tool. It does more than, you know, you would have had iMovie, or Final Cut Pro doing, you know, 10 or 15 years ago, incredibly advanced stuff. And those [unintelligible 00:04:07] use it every day, but nobody goes to YouTube and says, “This is a cloud-based nonlinear editor for video production, and we target cinematographers.” And if they did, they would actually narrow their audience and they would limit what their impact is on the world.And so similarly, I think we look at that for Glitch where the social object, the central thing that people organize around a Glitch is an app, not code. And that's this really kind of deep and profound idea, which is that everybody can understand an app. Everybody has an idea for an app. You know, even the person who's, “Ah, I'm not technical,” or, “I'm not really into technology,” they're like, “But you know what? If I could make an app, I would make this.”And so we think a lot about that creative impulse. And the funny thing is, that is a common thread between somebody that literally just got on the internet for the first time and somebody who has been doing cloud deploys for as long as there's been a cloud to deploy to, or somebody has been coding for decades. No matter who you are, you have that place that is starting from what's the experience I want to build, the app I want to build? And so I think that's where there's that framing. But it's also been really useful, in that if you're trying to make a better IDE in the cloud and a better text editor, and there are multiple trillion-dollar companies that [laugh] are creating products in that category, I don't think you're going to win. On the other hand, if you say, “This is more fun, and cooler, and has a better design, and feels better,” I think we could absolutely win in a walk away compared to trillion-dollar companies trying to be cool.Corey: I think that this is an area that has a few players in it could definitely stand to benefit by having more there. My big fear is not that AWS is going to launch stuff in your space and drive you out of business; I think that is a somewhat naive approach. I'm more concerned that they're going to try to launch something in your space, give it a dumb name, fail that market and appropriately, not understand who it's for and set the entire idea back five years. That is, in some cases, it seems like their modus operandi for an awful lot of new markets.Anil: Yeah, I mean, that's not an uncommon problem in any category that's sort of community driven. So, you know, back in the day, I worked on building blogging tools at the beginning of this, sort of, social media era, and we worried about that a lot. We had built some of the first early tools, Movable Type, and TypePad, and these were what were used to launch, like, Gawker and Huffington Post and all the, sort of, big early sites. And we had been doing it a couple years—and then at that time, major player—AOL came in, and they launched their own AOL blog service, and we were, you know, quaking in our boots. I remember just being kind of like, pit in your stomach, “Oh, my gosh. This is going to devastate the category.”And as it turns out, people were smart, and they have taste, and they can tell. And the domain that we're in is not one that is about raw computing power or raw resources that you can bring to bear so much as it is about can you get people to connect together, collaborate together, and feel like they're in a place where they want to make something and they want to share it with other people? And I mean, we've never done a single bit of advertising for Glitch. There's never been any paid acquisition. There's never done any of those things. And we go up against, broadly in the space, people that have billboards and they buy out all the ads of the airport and, you know, all the other kind of things we see—Corey: And they do the typical enterprise thing where they spend untold millions in acquiring the real estate to advertise on, and then about 50 cents on the message, from the looks of it. It's, wow, you go to all this trouble and expense to get something in front of me, and after all of that to get my attention, you don't have anything interesting to say?Anil: Right.Corey: [crosstalk 00:07:40] inverse of that.Anil: [crosstalk 00:07:41] it doesn't work.Corey: Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's brand awareness. I love that game. Ugh.Anil: I was a CIO, and not once in my life did I ever make a purchasing decision based on who was sponsoring a golf tournament. It never happened, right? Like, I never made a call on a database platform because of a poster that was up at, you know, San Jose Airport. And so I think that's this thing that developers in particular, have really good BS filters, and you can sort of see through.Corey: What I have heard about the airport advertising space—and I but a humble cloud economist; I don't know if this is necessarily accurate or not—but if you have a company like Accenture, for example, that advertises on airport billboards, they don't even bother to list their website. If you go to their website, it turns out that there's no shopping cart function. I cannot add ‘one consulting' to my cart and make a purchase.Anil: “Ten pounds of consult, please.”Corey: Right? I feel like the primary purpose there might very well be that when someone presents to your board and says, “All right, we've had this conversation with Accenture.” The response is not, “Who?” It's a brand awareness play, on some level. That said, you say you don't do a bunch traditional advertising, but honestly, I feel like you advertise—more successfully—than I do at The Duckbill Group, just by virtue of having a personality running the company, in your case.Now, your platform is for the moment, slightly larger than mine, but that's okay,k I have ambition and a tenuous grasp of reality and I'm absolutely going to get there one of these days. But there is something to be said for someone who has a track record of doing interesting things and saying interesting things, pulling a, “This is what I do and this is how I do it.” It almost becomes a personality-led marketing effort to some degree, doesn't it?Anil: I'm a little mindful of that, right, where I think—so a little bit of context and history: Glitch as a company is actually 20 years old. The product is only a few years old, but we were formerly called Fog Creek Software, co-founded by Joel Spolsky who a lot of folks will know from back in the day as Joel on Software blog, was extremely influential. And that company, under leadership of Joel and his co-founder Michael Pryor spun out Stack Overflow, they spun out Trello. He had created, you know, countless products over the years so, like, their technical and business acumen is off the charts.And you know, I was on the board of Stack Overflow from, really, those first days and until just recently when they sold, and you know, you get this insight into not just how do you build a developer community that is incredibly valuable, but also has a place in the ecosystem that is unique and persists over time. And I think that's something that was very, very instructive. And so when it came in to lead Glitch I, we had already been a company with a, sort of, visible founder. Joel was as well known as a programmer as it got in the world?Corey: Oh, yes.Anil: And my public visibility is different, right? I, you know, I was a working coder for many years, but I don't think that's what people see me on social media has. And so I think, I've been very mindful where, like, I'm thrilled to use the platform I have to amplify what was created on a Glitch. But what I note is it's always, “This person made this thing. This person made this app and it had this impact, and it got these results, or made this difference for them.”And that's such a different thing than—I don't ever talk about, “We added syntax highlighting in the IDE and the editor in the browser.” It's just never it right. And I think there are people that—I love that work. I mean, I love having that conversation with our team, but I think that's sort of the difference is my enthusiasm is, like, people are making stuff and it's cool. And that sort of is my lens on the whole world.You know, somebody makes whatever a great song, a great film, like, these are all things that are exciting. And the Glitch community's creations sort of feel that way. And also, we have other visible people on the team. I think of our sort of Head of Community, Jenn Schiffer, who's a very well known developer and her right. And you know, tons of people have read her writing and seen her talks over the years.And she and I talk about this stuff; I think she sort of feels the same way, which is, she's like, “If I were, you know, being hired by some cloud platform to show the latest primitives that they've deployed behind an API,” she's like, “I'd be miserable. Like, I don't want to do that in the world.” And I sort of feel the same way. But if you say, “This person who never imagined they would make an app that would have this kind of impact.” And they're going to, I think of just, like, the last couple of weeks, some of the apps we've seen where people are—it could be [unintelligible 00:11:53]. It could be like, “We made a Slack bot that finally gets this reporting into the right channel [laugh] inside our company, but it was easy enough that I could do it myself without asking somebody to create it even though I'm not technically an engineer.” Like, that's incredible.The other extreme, we have people that are PhDs working on machine learning that are like, “At the end of the day, I don't want to be responsible for managing and deploying. [laugh]. I go home, and so the fact that I can do this in create is really great.” I think that energy, I mean, I feel the same way. I still build stuff all the time, and I think that's something where, like, you can't fake that and also, it's bigger than any one person or one public persona or social media profile, or whatever. I think there's this bigger idea. And I mean, to that point, there are millions of developers on Glitch and they've created well over ten million apps. I am not a humble person, but very clearly, that's not me, you know? [laugh].Corey: I have the same challenge to it's, effectively, I have now a 12 employee company and about that again contractors for various specialized functions, and the common perception, I think, is that mostly I do all the stuff that we talk about in public, and the other 11 folks sort of sit around and clap as I do it. Yeah, that is only four of those people's jobs as it turns out. There are more people doing work here. It's challenging, on some level, to get away from the myth of the founder who is the person who has the grand vision and does all the work and sees all these things.Anil: This industry loves the myth of the great man, or the solo legend, or the person in their bedroom is a genius, the lone genius, and it's a lie. It's a lie every time. And I think one of the things that we can do, especially in the work at Glitch, but I think just in my work overall with my whole career is to dismantle that myth. I think that would be incredibly valuable. It just would do a service for everybody.But I mean, that's why Glitch is the way it is. It's a collaboration platform. Our reference points are, you know, we look at Visual Studio and what have you, but we also look at Google Docs. Why is it that people love to just send a link to somebody and say, “Let's edit this thing together and knock out a, you know, a memo together or whatever.” I think that idea we're going to collaborate together, you know, we saw that—like, I think of Figma, which is a tool that I love. You know, I knew Dylan when he was a teenager and watching him build that company has been so inspiring, not least because design was always supposed to be collaborative.And then you think about we're all collaborating together in design every day. We're all collaborating together and writing in Google Docs—or whatever we use—every day. And then coding is still this kind of single-player game. Maybe at best, you throw something over the wall with a pull request, but for the most part, it doesn't feel like you're in there with somebody. Certainly doesn't feel like you're creating together in the same way that when you're jamming on these other creative tools does. And so I think that's what's been liberating for a lot of people is to feel like it's nice to have company when you're making something.Corey: Periodically, I'll talk to people in the AWS ecosystem who for some reason appear to believe that Jeff Barr builds a lot of these services himself then writes blog posts about them. And it's, Amazon does not break out how many of its 1.2 million or so employees work at AWS, but I'm guessing it's more than five people. So yeah, Jeff probably only wrote a dozen of those services himself; the rest are—Anil: That's right. Yeah.Corey: —done by service teams and the rest. It's easy to condense this stuff and I'm as guilty of it as anyone. To my mind, a big company is one that has 200 people in it. That is not apparently something the world agrees with.Anil: Yeah, it's impossible to fathom an organization of hundreds of thousands or a million-plus people, right? Like, our brains just aren't wired to do it. And I think so we reduce things to any given Jeff, whether that's Barr or Bezos, whoever you want to point to.Corey: At one point, I think they had something like more men named Jeff on their board than they did women, which—Anil: Yeah. Mm-hm.Corey: —all right, cool. They've fixed that and now they have a Dave problem.Anil: Yeah [unintelligible 00:15:37] say that my entire career has been trying to weave out of that dynamic, whether it was a Dave, a Mike, or a Jeff. But I think that broader sort of challenge is this—that is related to the idea of there being this lone genius. And I think if we can sort of say, well, creation always happens in community. It always happens influenced by other things. It is always—I mean, this is why we talk about it in Glitch.When you make an app, you don't start from a blank slate, you start from a working app that's already on the platform and you're remix it. And there was a little bit of a ego resistance by some devs years ago when they first encountered that because [unintelligible 00:16:14] like, “No, no, no, I need a blank page, you know, because I have this brilliant idea that nobody's ever thought of before.” And I'm like, “You know, the odds are you'll probably start from something pretty close to something that's built before.” And that enabler of, “There's nothing new under the sun, and you're probably remixing somebody else's thoughts,” I think that sort of changed the tenor of the community. And I think that's something where like, I just see that across the industry.When people are open, collaborative, like even today, a great example is web browsers. The folks making web browsers at Google, Apple, Mozilla are pretty collaborative. They actually do share ideas together. I mean, I get a window into that because they actually all use Glitch to do test cases on different bugs and stuff for them, but you see, one Glitch project will add in folks from Mozilla and folks from Apple and folks from the Chrome team and Google, and they're like working together and you're, like—you kind of let down the pretense of there being this secret genius that's only in this one organization, this one group of people, and you're able to make something great, and the web is greater than all of them. And the proof, you know, for us is that Glitch is not a new idea. Heroku wanted to do what we're doing, you know, a dozen years ago.Corey: Yeah, everyone wants to build Heroku except the company that acquired Heroku, and here we are. And now it's—I was waiting for the next step and it just seemed like it never happened.Anil: But you know when I talked to those folks, they were like, “Well, we didn't have Docker, and we didn't have containerization, and on the client side, we didn't have modern browsers that could do this kind of editing experience, all this kind of thing.” So, they let their editor go by the wayside and became mostly deploy platform. And—but people forget, for the first year or two Heroku had an in-browser editor, and an IDE and, you know, was constrained by the tech at the time. And I think that's something where I'm like, we look at that history, we look at, also, like I said, these browser manufacturers working together were able to get us to a point where we can make something better.Corey: This episode is sponsored by our friends at Oracle HeatWave is a new high-performance accelerator for the Oracle MySQL Database Service. Although I insist on calling it “my squirrel.” While MySQL has long been the worlds most popular open source database, shifting from transacting to analytics required way too much overhead and, ya know, work. With HeatWave you can run your OLTP and OLAP, don't ask me to ever say those acronyms again, workloads directly from your MySQL database and eliminate the time consuming data movement and integration work, while also performing 1100X faster than Amazon Aurora, and 2.5X faster than Amazon Redshift, at a third of the cost. My thanks again to Oracle Cloud for sponsoring this ridiculous nonsense.Corey: I do have a question for you about the nuts and bolts behind the scenes of Glitch and how it works. If I want to remix something on Glitch, I click the button, a couple seconds later it's there and ready for me to start kicking the tires on, which tells me a few things. One, it is certainly not using CloudFormation to provision it because I didn't have time to go and grab a quick snack and take a six hour nap. So, it apparently is running on computers somewhere. I have it on good authority that this is not just run by people who are very fast at assembling packets by hand. What does the infrastructure look like?Anil: It's on AWS. Our first year-plus of prototyping while we were sort of in beta and early stages of Glitch was getting that time to remix to be acceptable. We still wish it were faster; I mean, that's always the way but, you know, when we started, it was like, yeah, you did sit there for a minute and watch your cursor spin. I mean, what's happening behind the scenes, we're provisioning a new container, standing up a full stack, bringing over the code from the Git repo on the previous project, like, we're doing a lot of work, lift behind the scenes, and we went through every possible permutation of what could make that experience be good enough. So, when we start talking about prototyping, we're at five-plus, almost six years ago when we started building the early versions of what became Glitch, and at that time, we were fairly far along in maturity with Docker, but there was not a clear answer about the use case that we're building for.So, we experimented with Docker Swarm. We went pretty far down that road; we spent a good bit of time there, it failed in ways that were both painful and slow to fix. So, that was great. I don't recommend that. In fairness, we have a very unusual use case, right? So, Glitch now, if you talk about ten million containers on Glitch, no two of those apps are the same and nobody builds an orchestration infrastructure assuming that every single machine is a unique snowflake.Corey: Yeah, massively multi-tenant is not really a thing that people know.Anil: No. And also from a security posture Glitch—if you look at it as a security expert—it is a platform allowing anonymous users to execute arbitrary code at scale. That's what we do. That's our job. And so [laugh], you know, so your threat model is very different. It's very different.I mean, literally, like, you can go to Glitch and build an app, running a full-stack app, without even logging in. And the reason we enable that is because we see kids in classrooms, they're learning to code for the first time, they want to be able to remix a project and they don't even have an email address. And so that was about enabling something different, right? And then, similarly, you know, we explored Kubernetes—because of course you do; it's the default choice here—and some of the optimizations, again, if you go back several years ago, being able to suspend a project and then quickly sort of rehydrate it off disk into a running app was not a common use case, and so it was not optimized. And so we couldn't offer that experience because what we do with Glitch is, if you haven't used an app in five minutes, and you're not a paid member, who put that app to sleep. And that's just a reasonable—Corey: Uh, “Put the app to sleep,” as in toddler, or, “Put the app to sleep,” as an ill puppy.Anil: [laugh]. Hopefully, the former, but when we were at our worst and scaling the ladder. But that is that thing; it's like we had that moment that everybody does, which is that, “Oh, no. This worked.” That was a really scary moment where we started seeing app creation ramping up, and number of edits that people were making in those apps, you know, ramping up, which meant deploys for us ramping up because we automatically deploy as you edit on Glitch. And so, you know, we had that moment where just—well, as a startup, you always hope things go up into the right, and then they do and then you're not sleeping for a long time. And we've been able to get it back under control.Corey: Like, “Oh, no, I'm not succeeding.” Followed immediately by, “Oh, no, I'm succeeding.” And it's a good problem to have.Anil: Exactly. Right, right, right. The only thing worse than failing is succeeding sometimes, in terms of stress levels. And organizationally, you go through so much; technically, you go through so much. You know, we were very fortunate to have such thoughtful technical staff to navigate these things.But it was not obvious, and it was not a sort of this is what you do off the shelf. And our architecture was very different because people had looked at—like, I look at one of our inspirations was CodePen, which is a great platform and the community love them. And their front end developers are, you know, always showing off, “Here's this cool CSS thing I figured out, and it's there.” But for the most part, they're publishing static content, so architecturally, they look almost more like a content management system than an app-running platform. And so we couldn't learn anything from them about our scaling our architecture.We could learn from them on community, and they've been an inspiration there, but I think that's been very, very different. And then, conversely, if we looked at the Herokus of the world, or all those sort of easy deploy, I think Amazon has half a dozen different, like, “This will be easier,” kind of deploy tools. And we looked at those, and they were code-centric not app-centric. And that led to fundamentally different assumptions in user experience and optimization.And so, you know, we had to chart our own path and I think it was really only the last year or so that we were able to sort of turn the corner and have high degree of confidence about, we know what people build on Glitch and we know how to support and scale it. And that unlocked this, sort of, wave of creativity where there are things that people want to create on the internet but it had become too hard to do so. And the canonical example I think I was—those of us are old enough to remember FTPing up a website—Corey: Oh, yes.Anil: —right—to Geocities, or whatever your shared web host was, we remember how easy that was and how much creativity was enabled by that.Corey: Yes, “How easy it was,” quote-unquote, for those of us who spent years trying to figure out passive versus active versus ‘what is going on?' As far as FTP transfers. And it turns out that we found ways to solve for that, mostly, but it became something a bit different and a bit weird. But here we are.Anil: Yeah, there was definitely an adjustment period, but at some point, if you'd made an HTML page in notepad on your computer, and you could, you know, hurl it at a server somewhere, it would kind of run. And when you realize, you look at the coding boot camps, or even just to, like, teach kids to code efforts, and they're like, “Day three. Now, you've gotten VS Code and GitHub configured. We can start to make something.” And you're like, “The whole magic of this thing getting it to light up. You put it in your web browser, you're like, ‘That's me. I made this.'” you know, north star for us was almost, like, you go from zero to hello world in a minute. That's huge.Corey: I started participating one of those boot camps a while back to help. Like, the first thing I changed about the curriculum was, “Yeah, we're not spending time teaching people how to use VI in, at that point, the 2010s.” It was, that was a fun bit of hazing for those of us who were becoming Unix admins and knew that wherever we'd go, we'd find VI on a server, but here in the real world, there are better options for that.Anil: This is rank cruelty.Corey: Yeah, I mean, I still use it because 20 years of muscle memory doesn't go away overnight, but I don't inflict that on others.Anil: Yeah. Well, we saw the contrast. Like, we worked with, there's a group called Mouse here in New York City that creates the computer science curriculum for the public schools in the City of New York. And there's a million kids in public school in New York City, right, and they all go through at least some of this CS education. [unintelligible 00:24:49] saw a lot of work, a lot of folks in the tech community here did. It was fantastic.And yet they were still doing this sort of very conceptual, theoretical. Here's how a professional developer would set up their environment. Quote-unquote, “Professional.” And I'm like, you know what really sparks kids' interests? If you tell them, “You can make a page and it'll be live and you can send it to your friend. And you can do it right now.”And once you've sparked that creative impulse, you can't stop them from doing the rest. And I think what was wild was kids followed down that path. Some of the more advanced kids got to high school and realized they want to experiment with, like, AI and ML, right? And they started playing with TensorFlow. And, you know, there's collaboration features in Glitch where you can do real-time editing and a code with this. And they went in the forum and they were asking questions, that kind of stuff. And the people answering their questions were the TensorFlow team at Google. [laugh]. Right?Corey: I remember those days back when everything seemed smaller and more compact, [unintelligible 00:25:42] but almost felt like a balkanization of community—Anil: Yeah.Corey: —where now it's oh, have you joined that Slack team, and I'm looking at this and my machine is screaming for more RAM. It's, like, well, it has 128 gigs in it. Shouldn't that be enough? Not for Slack.Anil: Not for chat. No, no, no. Chat is demanding.Corey: Oh, yeah, that and Chrome are basically trying to out-ram each other. But if you remember the days of volunteering as network staff on Freenode when you could basically gather everyone for a given project in the entire stack on the same IRC network. And that doesn't happen anymore.Anil: And there's something magic about that, right? It's like now the conversations are closed off in a Slack or Discord or what have you, but to have a sort of open forum where people can talk about this stuff, what's wild about that is, for a beginner, a teenage creator who's learning this stuff, the idea that the people who made the AI, I can talk to, they're alive still, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, they're not even that old. But [laugh]. They think of this is something that's been carved in stone for 100 years.And so it's so inspiring to them. And then conversely, talking to the TensorFlow team, they made these JavaScript examples, like, tensorflow.js was so accessible, you know? And they're like, “This is the most heartwarming thing. Like, we think about all these enterprise use cases or whatever. But like, kids wanting to make stuff, like recognize their friends' photo, and all the vision stuff they're doing around [unintelligible 00:26:54] out there,” like, “We didn't know this is why we do it until we saw this is why we do it.”And that part about connecting the creative impulse from both, like, the most experienced, advanced coders at the most august tech companies that exist, as well as the most rank beginners in public schools, who might not even have a computer at home, saying that's there—if you put those two things together, and both of those are saying, “I'm a coder; I'm able to create; I can make something on the internet, and I can share it with somebody and be inspired by it,” like, that is… that's as good as it gets.Corey: There's something magic in being able to reach out to people who built this stuff. And honestly—you shouldn't feel this way, but you do—when I was talking to the folks who wrote the things I was working on, it really inspires you to ask better questions. Like when I'm talking to Dr. Venema, the author of Postfix and I'm trying to figure out how this thing works, well, I know for a fact that I will not be smarter than he is at basically anything in that entire universe, and maybe most beyond that, as well, however, I still want to ask a question in such a way that doesn't make me sound like a colossal dumbass. So, it really inspires you—Anil: It motivates you.Corey: Oh, yeah. It inspires you to raise your question bar up a bit, of, “I am trying to do x. I expect y to happen. Instead, z is happening as opposed to what I find the documentation that”—oh, as I read the documentation, discover exactly what I messed up, and then I delete the whole email. It's amazing how many of those things you never send because when constructing a question the right way, you can help yourself.Anil: Rubber ducking against your heroes.Corey: Exactly.Anil: I mean, early in my career, I'd gone through sort of licensing mishap on a project that later became open-source, and sort of stepped it in and as you do, and unprompted, I got an advice email from Dan Bricklin, who invented the spreadsheet, he invented VisiCalc, and he had advice and he was right. And it was… it was unreal. I was like, this guy's one of my heroes. I grew up reading about his work, and not only is he, like, a living, breathing person, he's somebody that can have the kindness to reach out and say, “Yeah, you know, have you tried this? This might work.”And it's, this isn't, like, a guy who made an app. This is the guy who made the app for which the phrase killer app was invented, right? And, you know, we've since become friends and I think a lot of his inspiration and his work. And I think it's one of the things it's like, again, if you tell somebody starting out, the people who invented the fundamental tools of the digital era, are still active, still building stuff, still have advice to share, and you can connect with them, it feels like a cheat code. It feels like a superpower, right? It feels like this impossible thing.And I think about like, even for me, the early days of the web, view source, which is still buried in our browser somewhere. And you can see the code that makes the page, it felt like getting away with something. “You mean, I can just look under the hood and see how they made this page and then I can do it too?” I think we forget how radical that is—[unintelligible 00:29:48] radical open-source in general is—and you see it when, like, you talk to young creators. I think—you know, I mean, Glitch obviously is used every day by, like, people at Microsoft and Google and the New York Timesor whatever, like, you know, the most down-the-road, enterprise developers, but I think a lot about the new creators and the people who are learning, and what they tell me a lot is the, like, “Oh, so I made this app, but what do I have to do to put it on the internet?”I'm like, “It already is.” Like, as soon as you create it, that URL was live, it all works. And their, like, “But isn't there, like, an app store I have to ask? Isn't there somebody I have to get permission to publish this from? Doesn't somebody have to approve it?”And you realize they've grown up with whether it was the app stores on their phones, or the cartridges in their Nintendo or, you know, whatever it was, they had always had this constraint on technology. It wasn't something you make; it's something that is given to you, you know, handed down from on high. And I think that's the part that animates me and the whole team, the community, is this idea of, like, I geek out about our infrastructure. I love that we're doing deploys constantly, so fast, all the time, and I love that we've taken the complexity away, but the end of the day, the reason why we do it, is you can have somebody just sort of saying, I didn't realize there was a place I could just make something put it in front of, maybe, millions of people all over the world and I don't have to ask anybody permission and my idea can matter as much as the thing that's made by the trillion-dollar company.Corey: It's really neat to see, I guess, the sense of spirit and soul that arises from a smaller, more, shall we say, soulful company. No disparagement meant toward my friends at AWS and other places. It's just, there's something that you lose when you get to a certain point of scale. Like, I don't ever have to have a meeting internally and discuss things, like, “Well, does this thing that we're toying with doing violate antitrust law?” That is never been on my roadmap of things I have to even give the slightest crap about.Anil: Right, right? You know, “What does the investor relations person at a retirement fund think about the feature that we shipped?” Is not a question that we have to answer. There's this joy in also having community that sort of has come along with us, right? So, we talk a lot internally about, like, how do we make sure Glitch stays weird? And, you know, the community sort of supports that.Like, there's no reason logically that our logo should be the emoji of two fish. But that kind of stuff of just, like, it just is. We don't question it anymore. I think that we're very lucky. But also that we are part of an ecosystem. I also am very grateful where, like… yeah, that folks at Google use Glitch as part of their daily work when they're explaining a new feature in Chrome.Like, if you go to web.dev and their dev portal teaches devs how to code, all the embedded examples go to these Glitch apps that are running, showing running code is incredible. When we see the Stripe team building examples of, like, “Do you want to use this new payment API that we made? Well, we have a Glitch for you.” And literally every day, they ship one that sort of goes and says, “Well, if you just want to use this new Stripe feature, you just remix this thing and it's instantly running on Glitch.”I mean, those things are incredible. So like, I'm very grateful that the biggest companies and most influential companies in the industry have embraced it. So, I don't—yeah, I don't disparage them at all, but I think that ability to connect to the person who'd be like, “I just want to do payments. I've never heard of Stripe.”Corey: Oh yeah.Anil: And we have this every day. They come into Glitch, and they're just like, I just wanted to take credit cards. I didn't know there's a tool to do that.Corey: “I was going to build it myself,” and everyone shrieks, “No, no. Don't do that. My God.” Yeah. Use one of their competitors, fine,k but building it yourself is something a lunatic would do.Anil: Exactly. Right, right. And I think we forget that there's only so much attention people can pay, there's only so much knowledge they have.Corey: Everything we say is new to someone. That's why I always go back to assuming no one's ever heard of me, and explain the basics of what I do and how I do it, periodically. It's, no one has done all the mandatory reading. Who knew?Anil: And it's such a healthy exercise to, right, because I think we always have that kind of beginner's mindset about what Glitch is. And in fairness, I understand why. Like, there have been very experienced developers that have said, “Well, Glitch looks too colorful. It looks like a toy.” And that we made a very intentional choice at masking—like, we're doing the work under the hood.And you can drop down into a terminal and you can do—you can run whatever build script you want. You can do all that stuff on Glitch, but that's not what we put up front and I think that's this philosophy about the role of the technology versus the people in the ecosystem.Corey: I want to thank you for taking so much time out of your day to, I guess, explain what Glitch is and how you view it. If people want to learn more about it, about your opinions, et cetera. Where can they find you?Anil: Sure. glitch.com is easiest place, and hopefully that's a something you can go and a minute later, you'll have a new app that you built that you want to share. And, you know, we're pretty active on all social media, you know, Twitter especially with Glitch: @glitch. I'm on as @anildash.And one of the things I love is I get to talk to folks like you and learn from the community, and as often as not, that's where most of the inspiration comes from is just sort of being out in all the various channels, talking to people. It's wild to be 20-plus years into this and still never get tired of that.Corey: It's why I love this podcast. Every time I talk to someone, I learn something new. It's hard to remain too ignorant after you have enough people who've shared wisdom with you as long as you can retain it.Anil: That's right.Corey: Thank you so much for taking the time to speak with me.Anil: So, glad to be here.Corey: Anil Dash, CEO of Gletch—or Glitch as he insists on calling it. I'm Cloud Economist Corey Quinn and this is Screaming in the Cloud. If you've enjoyed this podcast, please leave a five-star review on your podcast platform of choice, whereas if you've hated this podcast, please leave a five-star review on your podcast platform of choice along with an angry comment telling me how your small team at AWS is going to crush Glitch into the dirt just as soon as they find a name that's dumb enough for the service.Corey: If your AWS bill keeps rising and your blood pressure is doing the same, then you need The Duckbill Group. We help companies fix their AWS bill by making it smaller and less horrifying. The Duckbill Group works for you, not AWS. We tailor recommendations to your business and we get to the point. Visit duckbillgroup.com to get started.Announcer: This has been a HumblePod production. Stay humble.

For years, most productivity tools were the domain of power users and productivity whizzes, people willing to do the work to get more work done. (Or, in many cases, noodle endlessly in their to-do list app without ever actually accomplishing anything.) But over the past 18 months, those tools have become crucial to the work lives of people around the industry and the world. Colleagues can't hash things out at lunch or around a computer, and bosses can't check in on a project by walking down the hall. Everything had to be digital.That transition forced people like Michael Pryor, the head of Trello at Atlassian, to rethink their tools. With new kinds of users coming into the system, Pryor said he and his team fundamentally re-imagined Trello's place in the world — and built a framework for a new kind of productivity in a new era of work.Pryor joined the Source Code podcast to talk about the new Trello, but also why work tools need to be more flexible, why too many collaboration apps fail, and why the future of work might involve VR headsets. Eventually.For more on the topics in this episode:Michael Pryor on TwitterTrello is getting out of to-do lists and into fixing the future of workTrello's productivity blogWorkonaEverything you need to know about Kanban in GmailFor all the links and stories, head to Source Code's homepage.

Tune in to Episode 36 of the PA Talks series with the founders of DesignMorphine: Tsvetelina Georgieva, Pavlina Vardoulaki, and Michael Pryor. DesignMorphine is a global creative hub for design that focuses on workshops, lectures, projects, and explorations. The team consists of multidisciplinary designers that strive to combine learning and teaching elements of design across a unique variety of application techniques. With a team of over 30 industry-leading professionals and 7 years of experience, DesignMorphine has educated over 10,000 students using a generative network of cultures. They go by the code of teamwork in all branches of design, be it architecture, arts, or product design. In this episode, we talk about their computational design journeys, personal experiences, and the online Master's degree in Computational Advanced Design. I hope you enjoy the podcast. Watch this podcast on YouTube: https://youtu.be/Ru8yB_9SVbo Listen on: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/tr/podcast/pa-talks/id1503812708 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4P442GMuRk0VtBtNifgKhU Google Podcasts: https://podcasts.google.com/search/pa%20talks Support us on Patreon: patreon.com/parametricarchitecture Follow the platform on: Parametric Architecture: https://www.instagram.com/parametric.architecture/ PA Talks: https://www.instagram.com/pa__talks Website: https://parametric-architecture.com/patalks/

In today's SaaStr insider episode SaaStr CEO and Founder Jason Lemkin catches up with Michael Pryor, the Co-Founder of Trello to talk about going upmarket, and how things have changed in the last decade as Trello crosses 50M+ users. 

Join episode 2 of the Feedback Sessions dreamt up by Dani Vee and Ben Hobson late one night over Twitter. Michael Pryor shares two drafts and a final piece of writing and discusses the evolution of each of them.

Trello & Stack Overflow Cofounder Michael Pryor discusses important skills, tools, and practices for collaborating, communicating, and supporting your team in a remote environment.

Michael is no ordinary principal. He also spends time boxing and doing community theater. We get to hear about his teacher that inspired him to go into education. He also shares with us what he sees every day working with the young people in his school and how he tries to be a good example to our future leaders. Enjoy this episode!

Michael is no ordinary principal. He also spends time boxing and doing community theater. We...

Today we speak with Michael Pryor, co-founder, CEO and current Head of Product for Trello at Atlassian. Trello was acquired by Atlassian in 2017 for $425M and stands as Atlassian's largest-ever acquisition. Trello is one of many products developed by Fog Creek Software, a company Michael co-founded with Joel Spolsky back in 2000. Michael's co-founder pitched Trello at TechCrunch Disrupt in 2007 with the lofty goal of attracting 100 million users. Now, 13 years later, over 50 million people are signed up for Trello and that goal doesn't seem so lofty anymore.In addition to the birth and growth of Trello, this episode also focuses on how to effectively work remotely. Two thirds of Trello's workforce is remote, so Michael shares his tested strategies for how to build, manage, and grow a remote workforce.

Glitch, a platform that makes it easy for anyone to create or remix a web app, has seen over five million apps created by users. You can read more about how it works here. If you want to learn a little about how it works with Docker, check out this piece here.If you want to know more about the shared history of Stack and Glitch, you can read up on it here. TLDR; Glitch was born out of Fog Creek software and counts Joel Spolsky and Michael Pryor as founders. Glimmer is a new web magazine from the folks at Glitch. It focuses on creators and makers, with a special emphasis on unearthing the human stories of people building today's software.While you're here, don't forget to take 15-20 minutes and share your opinions in our 2020 Developer Survey. Whether Stack Overflow helped you during your journey as a programmer or not, we want to hear from everyone who codes. Some fun background for younger listeners: Geocities - a popular platform for building and hosting a personal website and linking it with others that share similar themes. BetaBeat - a website launched by The NY Observer that covered the SIlicon Alley tech scene. It was how Ben first met Anil, Joel, and many others. HerokuDockerIf you have comments, questions, or suggestions, please send us an email at podcast@stackoverflow.comToday's episode is brought to you by Refinitiv. Unlock new possibilities with consistent, high-value market data from Refinitiv. Try the Refinitiv Eikon Data API for the largest breadth and depth of data and community tools with native Python support. Check out refinitiv.com/stackpodcast to try the Eikon Data API today. Refinitiv. Data is just the beginning.

Glitch, a platform that makes it easy for anyone to create or remix a web app, has seen over five million apps created by users. You can read more about how it works here. If you want to learn a little about how it works with Docker, check out this piece here.If you want to know more about the shared history of Stack and Glitch, you can read up on it here. TLDR; Glitch was born out of Fog Creek software and counts Joel Spolsky and Michael Pryor as founders. Glimmer is a new web magazine from the folks at Glitch. It focuses on creators and makers, with a special emphasis on unearthing the human stories of people building today's software.While you're here, don't forget to take 15-20 minutes and share your opinions in our 2020 Developer Survey. Whether Stack Overflow helped you during your journey as a programmer or not, we want to hear from everyone who codes. Some fun background for younger listeners: Geocities - a popular platform for building and hosting a personal website and linking it with others that share similar themes. BetaBeat - a website launched by The NY Observer that covered the SIlicon Alley tech scene. It was how Ben first met Anil, Joel, and many others. HerokuDockerIf you have comments, questions, or suggestions, please send us an email at podcast@stackoverflow.comToday’s episode is brought to you by Refinitiv. Unlock new possibilities with consistent, high-value market data from Refinitiv. Try the Refinitiv Eikon Data API for the largest breadth and depth of data and community tools with native Python support. Check out refinitiv.com/stackpodcast to try the Eikon Data API today. Refinitiv. Data is just the beginning.

Michael Pryor, Co-Founder & CEO @ Trello, now Head of Trello Product with Atlassian following their recent acquisition. Kolton Andrus is the Founder & CEO @ Gremlin, the failure as a service startup finds weaknesses in your system before they cause problems. Dylan Serota, Co-Founder and Chief Strategy Officer @ Terminal, the startup that helps you create world-class technical teams through remote operations as a service. Rachel Carlson, Co-Founder and CEO @ Guild Education, the leader in education benefits offering the single most scalable solution for preparing the workforce of today for the jobs of tomorrow.  Sid Sijbrandi, Founder & CEO @ Gitlab, a single application for the entire software development lifecycle. Jeppe Rindom is the Founder & CEO @ Pleo, the simple spending solution for your company automating expense reports and simplifying company expenses. In Today’s Episode We Discuss: How should founders think about the debate between all remote vs part remote teams? How does life and operations change with each? What are the pros and cons? Is it possible to move between the two overtime? What can one do to maintain culture with remote teams? What processes need to be in place to ensure a cohesive and streamlined communication process? What technical architecture needs to be in place? Where are the breakpoints when it comes to communication? How often does one need to do in person off-sites? How does being remote or part remote impact fundraising? How do VCs think about this new structure of operations? What is the right way to present it? How does being outside a core tech hub impact one’s ability to raise? How should one run a fundraising process if outside a core hub?   How important is it for your team to be near your customers? How does this change according to sector and customer base? How important is it for your team to be near your investors? Does having an exec and sales team in one place and the rest of the team elsewhere work?   Jason Lemkin Harry Stebbings SaaStr Read the full transcript on our blog.

In episode 14 of EnterpriseReady, Grant is joined by Michael Pryor, Founder and CEO of Trello. They discuss Michael's background, naming products, disruptive pricing models, and product assortment.

In episode 14 of EnterpriseReady, Grant is joined by Michael Pryor, Founder and CEO of Trello. They discuss Michael’s background, naming products, disruptive pricing models, and product assortment. The post Ep. #14, Flexible Collaboration with Michael Pryor of Trello appeared first on Heavybit.

In episode 14 of EnterpriseReady, Grant is joined by Michael Pryor, Founder and CEO of Trello. They discuss Michael’s background, naming products, disruptive pricing models, and product assortment. The post Ep. #14, Flexible Collaboration with Michael Pryor of Trello appeared first on Heavybit.

In episode 14 of EnterpriseReady, Grant is joined by Michael Pryor, Founder and CEO of Trello. They discuss Michael's background, naming products, disruptive pricing models, and product assortment.

Title: The Mystery of the Haunted PryorPodcast Title: Ghost PoddersScience Fiction, Fantasy and Historical Radio with Rob Jan & Megan McKeough. Learn about 'Graveyard Shift in Ghost Town' with author Michael Pryor; and we dig into South Korean film PARASITE.Follow @zerogrobjan on Twitter and Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/ZeroGRadio

Juvenile detention and drugs have facts readers will come to question in the fiction of 'The Subjects' by Sarah Hopkins.Melbourne has mote ghosts than you realize and Michael Pryor reveals the extent of the haunting in 'Graveyard Shift in Ghost Town'.

Dani Vee chats about the podcast having a social conscience and discussing books that talk about serious issues that can open up conversations and eventually positive change. Dani talks about the reasons for beginning the podcast; to encourage reading, as a free resource for educators and students and to create something that brought some good into the world and had a social conscience. This tiny podcast with big ideas talks stats and how listenership continues to grow thanks to the incredible authors who have been part of the conversation. Shout outs to Trent Dalton, Craig Johnson, Elliot Perlman, Jack Heath, Lexi Frieman, John Purcell, Michael Pryor, Dr Michael Mohammed Ahmad, Megan Jacobson, Kate Forsyth, Christian White, Sarah Bailey, Alice Nelson, Will Kostakis, Alex Miles, JP Pomare, Nicole Hayes & Rusty Young. Hello Mexico!

Have you ever wondered how the men in your life deal with their shame? Today’s guest, Michael Pryor, shares how witnessing his parents domestic violence and being molested created unhealthy patterns of anger and man pleasing in his life that were not dealt with until years later after becoming a Christian and getting married. Michael Lejuan Pryor was born and raised in Chicago with summers spent in Mississippi and Tennessee. The Lord engaged and saved Michael's (Mike’s) heart in 2003. This encounter prepared Mike for freedom from the bondage of shame and sin. The Lord then floored Mike by giving him a wife, Angela L. Pryor. They have been happily and humbly married for over 13 years. Mike is a father of two children and one grandchild. God saw fit to allow Mike and Angie to be apart of a team that started a church on the Westside of Chicago, Chicago West Bible Church, under the leadership of Pastor Jon Kelly. Mike has a heart for the healing of God's people, especially His shepherds. Resources Mentioned Shame Interrupted by Ed Welch The Journal of Biblical Counseling published by Christian Counseling & Educational Foundation (CCEF) Want to contact me? Email me at danielle@unashamedandfree.com

With the FCC's recent movement on the Telephone Consumer Protection Act (TCPA), the FCC and Congress seek to find the middle ground between protecting consumers' privacy and an industry burdened by litigation. Watchdog groups and the private sector are becoming increasingly engaged. The DC Circuit has provided the FCC with a roadmap for reform, which Chairman Ajit Pai seems to support, but ultimately, Congress may have to weigh in. How will legislation move in such a partisan environment? And what can the FCC do on its own? Shareholders Rich Benenson and Michael Pryor and Policy Advisor Greta Joynes dive in and explain.

Kalle Freese talks with Michael Pryor, the co-founder and.

Michael Pryor provides an invaluable insight into his writing process. Author of 38 books, he takes us through the process of character development and voice, planning his writing and creating realistic dialogue through the lens of his latest YA fiction novel Gap Year in Ghost Town. Michael believes that character is everything, he chats about delving deep inside a character’s psyche and his experience of writing in the first person for the first time. He talks about his research process and the importance of being culturally sensitive. A wonderful conversation where we delve into the writing process with an accomplished Australian writer. An episode not to be missed. Wonderful for accomplished writers, beginning writers and students.

In early 2017, Trello was acquired by Atlassian for the mammoth sum of $425 million. In 2016, Michael Pryor sat down with Paul Kenny at Business of Software Conference USA to discuss how they almost messed up Trello. Seems like they managed to do alright in the end... --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/business-of-software/message

Jules Faber: Australian illustrator, cartoonist and author chats about his creepy compilation of short stories - that even his mother couldn't read - working with Disney on The Proud Family, and creating stories for children. A great Aussie bloke, Jules talks to us about his career, the writing process and how to engage children in stories, he should know he has illustrated a number of children's books such as the WeirDo series with Anh Do, The Kaboom Kid with cricketer David Warner, the Leo Da Vinci series with Michael Pryor and the Helix series with Damian Posner. Did you know Jules won the Book of the Year at the Australian Book Industry Awards with Anh Do for the first WeirDo book in 2014? They also won Best Designed Book for Children and Best Cover at the Australian Book Design Awards as well as an Honours in the KOALAs 2014. Plus Weirdo 3 has been nominated for three awards in 2015 and David Warner’s Kaboom Kid series has been nominated for Best Designed Series at the ABDAs. Did you know Jules is also an award-winning cartoonist? He’s won three prizes in the Rotary Cartoon Awards Best Comic Strip category, coming second in 2009 and 2010 before getting first place in 2013. On top of this, Jules’ talents lie in many fields including: caricature art, realistic illustration, teaching workshops, public speaking, pizza making, animation, writing and wearing sneakers.

Culture seems like a soft, intangible byproduct of mergers and acquisitions. Synergies. Tax efficiencies. Accretion. Those are empirical. That's what drives Wall Street and gives jobs to investment bankers and lawyers. But culture matters to employees, much more than financial engineering. When Trello co-founder Michael Pryor had to decide to sell his enterprise software company to Atlassian earlier this year, his decision centered around cultural fit. Atlassian president Jay Simons and Pryor recount to host Alex Sherman the ways they were convinced an acquisition was right for both companies. 

Guest: Michael Pryor Who is he: The co-founder of TRELLO Discover if selling his company to Atlassian for over $400.000.000 was a hard decision, what his favorite way of using TRELLO is, how TRELLO was founded and way more. Follow me at: WhatsApp: +31(0)6-19900000 Twitter: http://twitter.com/jelledrijver YouTube: http://youtube.com/jdrijver SnapChat: snapchat.com/add/jelledrijver Linkedin: http://linkedin.com/in/jelledrijver Instagram: http://instagram.com/jelledrijver Website: http://www.jelledrijver.nl Frankwatching: http://frankwatching.com/podcast

Entrepreneur Michael Pryor shares the story behind Trello - the visual productivity app that's changing the way people organise their businesses and their lives.If you love Moonshot then the best way to help us is to share this episode with a friend, or if you're able, consider supporting us financially on Patreon. All supporters get an ad-free feed, along with bonus episodes, and merch. Visit https://www.patreon.com/moonshot.

This week I talk with Michael Pryor of Trello. We talk about learning to code from computer magazines, working in a grocery store freezer, co-founding Fog Creek 17 years ago, coming up with the Trello concept, getting acquired for a huge sum of money, what it’s like working at a public company and so many other things.

Michael Pryor is the co-founder of Trello, the collaboration tool used by millions to organize and prioritize projects using boards, lists, and cards. He's also the co-founder of Fog Creek Software for Project Management; he currently lives in Brooklyn with his wife and two daughters. #PeakPerformers, Michael shares about @Trello on #TheEntrepYou today! Click To Tweet Show  Notes: If you were stranded on a desert island, what three items would you want to have with you? Snorkel fins as I'm not such a great swimmer, a dog to keep me company and a guitar which would take me a long time to learn. What is the Unique Selling Proposition of Trello? Persons were using sticky notes on their walls. Historically we had built a lot of tools for a much more structured project management and we were thinking about how easy it was for people to use these sticky notes. It helps them organize their thoughts. There is something about being able to see it in front of your face. We tried to map that. It's not like a digital sticky note but it is taking that metaphor into the software world. You create these boards, you put your digital sticky notes, you organize them into lists so people can see where you are, where you were and where you are going. It basically gives you a map for what you're working on. Did you know this would have been a winner? We spent a lot of time building software tools for other developers and this was one of the first tools we build where we wanted to build something for a much wider and broader audience. It was a big bat for us. We thought of building a software that 100 million people can use and it seemed ridiculous at the time. Now we've had 20 million people signed up to use Trello. At the time, we put it out there and we launched it Tech Crunch Disrupt. We told people about it at the competition that we came in second. The huge spike in sign-ups came from that. Those who knew us at the time weren't very technical in nature. People were writing blogs on how they use Trello to plan their wedding, run their marketing campaign and recruit people for their teams. These are examples that we hadn't thought of before-hand but were perfect examples of all the different ways that you could use this application. Persons were writing these blog posts on their own without us asking them to. That's when it started to click that we're on to something here. These people are so excited about what we are doing that they are willing to market to their own channels and tell their friends and the people that follow them about this product without us even getting involved. That's 20 million people have been word of mouth. What were the thoughts that went through your mind during the competition, recognizing you did not come in first place? This was about 5 or 6 years ago. We had a different story than just being at the completion. We had been making software and had a software company for 10 years before that and this was one of the products that we made. We were funding the development of Trello through the sales of some of the other products we were selling, unrelated to Trello. We weren't in a typical scenario where we had to win the competition in order to get the funds to continue the company. This happened much later in our lifecycle of our software development career. Trello and Stack Overflow were joint ventures with Fog Creek. Those super successful and well know products came much later in our history. We took a lot of the lessons learnt over the first decade and applied them. We made many different software products over the years. Some were the right product at the wrong time, or the right product marketed to the wrong people or the right idea but built in the wrong way. There were a lot of failures along the way. What seemed like an over-night success was actually a really long journey. What were some of the lessons learnt? If you've ever heard of Log Me In or Go To My PC,

Michael Pryor is Co-Founder & CEO @ Trello, now Head of Product with Trello at Atlassian following their recent acquisition. For those that do not know, Trello lets you work more collaboratively and get more done. Prior to the acquisition they raised from some of the best in the business including the likes of Spark Capital, Index Ventures and Box Group. Michael is also a board member at StackOverflow. In Today’s Episode You Will Learn: How did Michael make his way into the world of startups and come to found Trello? What does Michael believe is fundamental to making a market transition successfully? What were the challenges of the early market transition with Trello? What does Michael believe are the 3 key elements that make a great CEO? How does Michael approach the element of cash burn? Does Michael agree for the need of sustainability within growth? How does Michael look to continually recruit the best talent? What are the secrets to running a 60% remote workforce so efficiently? How did the Atlassian deal come about? What was the thought process behind the sales vs raise more venture funding? How did Michael broach the process with regards to transparency within the team? 60 Second SaaStr If you would like to find out more about the show and the guests presented, you can follow us on Twitter here: Jason Lemkin Harry Stebbings SaaStr Michael Pryor

In this episode of the Heresy podcast we talk to Kristen Habacht, VP Sales at Trello. The conversation was recorded in the last week of December 2016, just days before Atlassian announced they were acquiring Trello for a whooping $425 million. During our conversation Kristen describes what the Sales team at Trello looks like and how that has changed during the two and a half years since she's been there. We also discuss their sales compensation, their recent growth and future plans as well as the challenges and opportunities they have faced selling a freemium product. ======================================================== Content and Timings: - 0:54 - 4:20 - Kristen talks about her sales career, how she met Joel Spolsky & Michael Pryor, the FogCreek days and how she eventually ended up as VP Sales at Trello - 5:00 - 6:50 - Selling Trello in the early days and how the pitch has changed - 7:20 - 12:10 - Kristen talks about Trello’s sales team, their culture, the importance of team cohesion, how they are structured and why - 12:10 - 18: 50 - The evolution of Trello’s sales team - how and why the team transitioned from a “full-stack” sales model to role specialisation, and how that helped with scaling - 18:53 - 21:00 - Kristen talks about “experiments” that did not work and lessons learned - 21:00 - 22:45 - The importance of Sales Ops - 23:00 - 24:15 - Kristen talks about recent growth and projections for the future - 24:25 - 27:35 - Trello’s commission structure - from, simple to simpler - and why Kristen changed their initial commission structure - 27:40 - 34:40 - The challenges of selling freemium products - why traditional qualification models such as BANT don’t work, what can reps do to create urgency and why there’s no sales “playbook” at Trello - 34:50 - 38:45 - SMB vs Enterprise sales at Trello - sales cycle duration and how the process differs - 39:00 - 42:15 - The challenges of managing a remote sales team and tips, and tools to make it work - 42:15 - 45:00 - Lessons learned at Trello & Kristen's best sales advice - the importance of being able to walk away ============================================================== Music credits: - Intro - Qvkata DLG, Duis Taban - Outro - Victor Hugo

From pinpointing the Job-to-be-Done to creating successful users and knowing when it's time to rebuild a product, we look back at our favorite lessons and insights from past episodes. Guests include Julie Zhuo, Jason Fried, Matt Hodges, Michael Pryor, Sarah Hatter, Bob Moesta and Samuel Hulick.

In this episode Pilar and Lisette review some of the latest news in the world of work and offer some guidance on how to review your communication infrastructure in your virtual team. Pilar introduces this episode and she mentions this book (well, she mentions Tim Harford but can't remember the title!) Messy: How to be creative and resilient in a Tidy-Minded World She mentions this episode from Evidence Talks about the Right to Disconnect law in France. http://directory.libsyn.com/episode/index/id/4994834 Let us know what you think of this format: http://virtualnotdistant.com/contact-us/ The Conversation with Lisette and Pilar Oh, man, the book... What Lisette has learned about her writing process. We talk about Trello's aquisition by Atlassian and the comments in Michael Pryor's blog post. http://blog.trello.com/trello-atlassian Are we getting used to tools being free? Pilar has discovered a new feature in Zoom which could help more people jump on video calls. Listeners: Does it bother you to see yourself on the screen during video calls? Pilar is co-hosting a new podcast. http://www.futureworkcentre.com/what-we-do/education/evidencetalks/ How CEO's can lead the transition from office-based to virtual and encourage people to use tech mindfully. http://digitalworkplacegroup.com/2016/06/16/im-working-weekends-but-ignore-my-ceo-habits/ France's new law, the right to disconnect. Do we need legislation to encourage conversation? https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/dec/31/french-workers-win-legal-right-to-avoid-checking-work-email-out-of-hours Have a listen to the More or Less episode: Does Sweden Really Have a Six Hour Day? http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04kt3p6 The Teaching Bit - Building a Communication Infrastructure for your Virtual Team around 30mins mark Pilar talks about the PIC framework to help you build a communication infrastructure for a virtual team and how you can cross-check it with self-determination theory of motivation, to make sure you're not dampening intrinsic motivation. Personal information Information - documents Collaboration When you're designing processes and choosing tools, and role-modelling behaviours , also keep an eye out that you're not squashing any of the three components of intrinsic motivation: autonomy, competence and relatedness. Tools mentioned: Linoit http://en.linoit.com/ Trello Do get in touch! http://virtualnotdistant.com/contact-us/

In this episode of the Less Doing Podcast, Ari and Nick sit down at the Trello headquarters with guests, Michael Pryor (CEO and Founder of Trello) and JD Peterson (CMO of Trello). Listen to learn Trello's origin story—from concept to execution—how this once nascent company is quickly marching down the pathway to $100M in revenue. PS—don't you dare call Trello a project management tool any more…find out why in this episode! **Key Quote** “Trello is a visual collaboration tool. The three words that describe it are collaboration, organization, and perspective.” “The strength of Trello is how unstructured it is.” **What You'll Learn** - How Trello was conceptualized - Why you shouldn't crowd source for a name internally - Trello is NOT a project management tool but a visual collaboration tool - Why these – Collaboration, Organization, Perspective -- are the best words to describe Trello. - Why there isn't a “one way” to use Trello. - Using Trello for communication and integration with Slack - The meta activities Trello is working on to indicate card status - What attracts people to Trello and why they are joining the movement - Learn how to see the really important things that are happening with your boards - How the road to $100M for Trello looks - How Trello meet-up events work - How to invite people to the platform and show them how to use it - The strength and weakness of Trello is being unstructured - Trello.com/inspiration is where people can share boards - Collecting concerns to see what issues there are - Why working at Trello is not a job, but a part of your life - How Trello can be used to make you more effective ------- [Get the FREE Optimize, Automate, Outsource Blueprint here.](https://go.lessdoing.com/blueprint?utm_campaign=blueprint-ari&utm_medium=link&utm_source=podcast) --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/lessdoing/message

Getting teams across an organization to work together fluidly, transparently, and productively can be a serious challenge - but it’s one Michael Pryor, CEO of Trello, is on a mission to solve. And for all measures, his company is on the fast track to solving it. In this episode, Michael shares the lessons he learned turning a side-project into an international company, and the tough things he had to learn along the way.

Trello CEO and Fog Creek Software Co-Founder Michael Pryor talks with Intercom's Des Traynor about how to build and scale a mass-market software product. Their chat covers the ways Fog Creek’s previous products informed Trello, prioritizing feature requests for a product with diverse use cases, the importance of pricing for value, and more.

Michael is the CEO of Trello, the tool that helps entrepreneurs organize their businesses and lives. He’s also the Co-founder of Fog Creek Software, sits on the board of Stack Exchange, and currently lives in Brooklyn with his wife and two daughters.

For too long, straight white non-disabled privileged characters have dominated literature. Fiona Wood, Michael Pryor and Meg Mundell have each written diverse characters: ethnic diversity, characters ... The post “Diversity in YA” with Fiona Wood, Michael Pryor and Meg Mundell appeared first on Dark Matter Zine.

Visit EOFire.com for complete show notes of every Podcast episode. Michael is the CEO of Trello, the tool that helps entrepreneurs organize their businesses and lives. He's also the Co-founder of Fog Creek Software, sits on the board of Stack Exchange, and currently lives in Brooklyn with his wife and two daughters.

Michael Pryor is the CEO of Trello, a free app that makes working on group projects as easy as using sticky notes on a whiteboard. He is also the co-founder and President of Fog Creek Software, the makers of products such as FogBugz and Kiln. To date, Trello has raised over $10M in funding and is used by millions of people and companies of all kinds and sizes including Google, Adobe and The New York Times. Links & Resources Mentioned Trello Fog Creek Michael Pryor - @michaelpryor | michael [at] trello [dot] com Omer Khan - @omerkhan Enjoyed this episode? Subscribe to the podcast Leave a rating and review Follow Omer on Twitter Need help with your SaaS? Join SaaS Club Plus: our membership and community for new and early-stage SaaS founders. Join and get training & support. Join SaaS Club Launch: a 12-week group coaching program to help you get your SaaS from zero to your first $10K revenue. Apply for SaaS Club Accelerate: If you'd like to work directly with Omer 1:1, then request a free strategy session.

Michael Pryor is the CEO of Trello, a free app that makes working on group projects as easy as using sticky notes on a whiteboard. He is also the co-founder and President of Fog Creek Software, the makers of products such as FogBugz and Kiln. To date, Trello has raised over $10M in funding and is used by millions of people and companies of all kinds and sizes including Google, Adobe and The New York Times.Links & Resources MentionedTrelloFog CreekMichael Pryor - @michaelpryor | michael [at] trello [dot] comOmer Khan - @omerkhanEnjoyed this episode?Subscribe to the podcastLeave a rating and reviewFollow Omer on TwitterNeed help with your SaaS?Join SaaS Club Plus: our membership and community for new and early-stage SaaS founders. Join and get training & support.Join SaaS Club Launch: a 12-week group coaching program to help you get your SaaS from zero to your first $10K revenue.Apply for SaaS Club Accelerate: If you'd like to work directly with Omer 1:1, then request a free strategy session.