Podcast appearances and mentions of ben mike

The legendary duo of Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince have been somewhat locked into this singular thought ever since their run ended in '93: That their music is squeaky clean, completely devoid of edge. But when you actually listen to some of the lyrics and subject matter told in the litany of storytelling tracks, they broach some interesting ground.TIMESTAMPS:Weekly Music Roundup - (1:07)Ben:MIKE x Tony Seltzer - Pinball IIKey Glock - Glockaveli: The DonRoc Marciano x Knowledge the Pirate - The Round TableCharlie:Gaidaa - YARNNayla Savannah - Be FreeDARGZ - Friends & FamilyTopic Intro/Ben's Research House - (8:18)Rock the House - (16:00)He's the DJ, I'm the Rapper - (26:26)And in This Corner... - (37:17)Homebase - (49:36)Code Red - (1:01:32)Lighter Note - (1:15:16)Thanks for listening. Below are the Social accounts for all parties involved.Music - "Pizza And Video Games" by Bonus Points (Thanks to Chillhop Music for the right to use)HHBTN (Twitter & IG) - @HipHopNumbers5E (Twitter & IG) - @The5thElementUKChillHop (Twitter) - @ChillhopdotcomBonus Points (Twitter) - @BonusPoints92Other Podcasts Under The 5EPN:"What's Good?" W/ Charlie TaylorIn Search of SauceBlack Women Watch...5EPN RadioThe Beauty Of Independence

Jordan, Kyle, Mike and Ben (the OG Out of Spec Podcast team!) talk about buying and road-tripping a 2019 Tesla Model S Standard Range with 250,000 miles. Plus all the cars in Mike and Ben's garage and recent EV history. Shoutout to our sponsors for more information find their links below:- Fort Collins Kia: Visit focokia.com for full details. Disclaimer: *Delivery covers up to $1,000.Find us on all of these places:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/outofspecpodcastApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/out-of-spec-podcast/id1576636119Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0tKIQfKL9oaHc1DLOTWvbdAmazon: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/473692b9-05b9-41f9-9b38-9f86fbdabee7/OUT-OF-SPEC-PODCASTFor further inquiries please email podcast@outofspecstudios.com#ev #tesla #roadtrip Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome Troll Hole episode 27! Come slip into the tranquil waters of the spit pit and let our trip down memory lane with comedian Devohn Bland wash away your impurities. In this episode we discuss: Ben & Mike's trip to Texas, sleep deprivation, meeting your hero at a gas station, weird interactions, time travel, Mike & Devohn growing up together, Devohn growing up without internet, high school bullies, puppets  and so much more. Reach in. Pull it out. Subscribe to the pod, give us a rating and leave a review while you're here. We're trying to feed our son, Producer Neil.    Follow Troll Hole on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/trollholepodcast   Follow Devohn on Instagram!:  https://www.instagram.com/devohnbland   Follow Ben Katzner on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/shaqkatzner   Check Ben out live! Tickets here: https://linktr.ee/shaqkatzner   Follow Mike Lester on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/justmikelester     Check Mike out live! Tickets here: https://linktr.ee/Justmikelester   Follow Producer Neil! https://www.instagram.com/n3ilface     Listen to Neil's music here: https://songwhip.com/sevenswords   Has anyone said anything weird to you lately? Tell us about it and we might talk about it on the pod! Send us screenshots or tell us your trolling story by sending it to us at Trollholepod@gmail.com   #trollhole #trolls #trolling #comedy #selfhelp #selfcare #timetravel #bullying #ATX #Minnesota  

MUS for åben mikrofon. I dagens episode tager Nana og Pernille deres egen medicin og kigger på de ting, der er virkelig svære for dem og for så mange af os i dagens præstationssamfund. Ting vi helst ikke taler om før vi er på den anden side af projektet og er lykkedes med det. For eksempel at blive vurderet, bede om hjælp, være sårbar og om frygten for at blive til grin - der gør at mange helt dropper at prøve noget nyt. Lyt med og lad dig inspirere til at gå efter stjernerne og få værktøjer til, at huske de små sejre på vejen. Hvem ved, måske vi ligefrem begynder at hylde processen frem for målet

This week, Mike continues his discussion with Ben of Star Wars Timeline, about the upcoming Obi-Wan Kenobi series, the character himself and much more! This week is part 2 of their chat and the duo's discussion continues with their view on the importance of the series, which characters they'd like to see (& not see) and of how much screentime they have. They also compare the show to the previous Star Wars & Marvel shows on Disney+, their concerns for the show, how people should approach the show and more! In case you missed it, in part 1 of their chat, Mike starts by giving some background information on Kenobi before the Ben & Mike talk about what Kenobi as a character means to them, especially when they were first introduced to him, they confirm some of the Obi-Wan content that people may want to read (from both Canon & Legends), what they expect from the upcoming series and how it affects dialogue in A New Hope – this and many other aspects of Kenobi are discussed! Ben also appeared on episode 149 of Genuine Chit-Chat (December 2021) so check that out if you haven't already! Ben's YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/c/starwarstimeline - Twitter: @SWT_Channel (https://twitter.com/SWT_Channel) – SWT's Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/starwarstimeline/   Patreons had early access to this episode and received a bonus when part 2 dropped, so if you'd like to support the show for only £1 a month for early access to GCC episodes as well as at least 1 episode “Afterthoughts” a week, which includes reviews of both canon & legends Star Wars books, Mike & Megan's reviews on movies & TV shows and more, please visit http://patreon.com/genuinechitchat  To listen to a completely free Patreon Afterthoughts episode, check out the first in Mike & Megan's Tom Hanks rewatch here: https://bit.ly/TomHanks1         In the last episode of GCC, 161, Mike spoke with Andrew Heaton; a podcaster, author, political commentator, stand-up comedian, “professional speaker” and more! The duo's discussion includes Heaton's time in United Kingdom which leads onto accents & dialects within a broader conversation on travelling. They then talk about Heaton's podcast; The Political Orphanage and how he got into the world of podcasting. The two also talk about humour, themselves and a whole bunch more, intertwined with funny anecdotes! Find Mike's other show; Star Wars: Comics In Canon on Spotify & the other podcast apps on the feed of Comics In Motion & on GCC's YouTube. Episodes are out every Saturday; episodes 0-96 are out now, in ep 96, Mike delved into the High Republic investigation mini-series Trail Of Shadows, in ep 95 Mike tackles the fourth volume of Poe Dameron comics and in ep 94 Mike delves into the history of the Nihil's Eye; Marchion Ro! Previous episodes topics include the War Of The Bounty Hunters crossover (all 34 tie-in issues) plus the Lando comics, the Journals of Old Ben Kenobi, Kanan Jarrus, Count Dooku, Kylo Ren, Darth Maul, numerous High Republic book reviews & more - https://spoti.fi/3j37dgK Outro read by BZ The Voice: http://www.bzthevoice.com/ Mike's guest spots: Mike returned to Star Wars Timeline to talk about Villains in each of the SW trilogies here: https://youtu.be/V7382WWkSP0 - they also discuss accents in the Star Wars universe; the original trilogy here: https://youtu.be/1X0PyXkQZGg & the prequel trilogy here: https://youtu.be/3L4qWeYOzhw   Instagram – Twitter – Facebook – YouTube – Stitcher – Podbean – Spotify You can also email Mike at GenuineChitChat@outlook.com with any reviews, comments or suggestions.

Mike speaks with Ben of the YouTube channel Star Wars Timeline, all about the upcoming Obi-Wan Kenobi series, the character himself and much more! In more detail, in part 1 of their chat, Mike starts by giving some background information on Kenobi before the Ben & Mike talk about what Kenobi as a character means to them, especially when they were first introduced to him, they confirm some of the Obi-Wan content that people may want to read (from both Canon & Legends), what they expect from the upcoming series and how it affects dialogue in A New Hope – this and many other aspects of Kenobi are discussed! Part 2 will be out next week (but is already available on Patreon), where the duo's discussion continues with their view on the importance of the series, which characters they'd like to see (& not see) and of how much screentime they have. They also compare the show to the previous Star Wars & Marvel shows on Disney+, their concerns for the show, how people should approach the show and more, so be sure to support the show on Patreon or tune in next week! Ben also appeared on episode 149 of Genuine Chit-Chat (December 2021) so check that out if you haven't already! Ben's YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/c/starwarstimeline - Twitter: @SWT_Channel (https://twitter.com/SWT_Channel) – SWT's Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/starwarstimeline/   Part 2 of this episode is already out on Mike's Patreon, so if you'd like to support the show for only £1 a month for early access to GCC episodes as well as at least 1 episode “Afterthoughts” a week, which includes reviews of both canon & legends Star Wars books, Mike & Megan's reviews on movies & TV shows and more, please visit http://patreon.com/genuinechitchat  To listen to a completely free Patreon Afterthoughts episode, check out the first in Mike & Megan's Tom Hanks rewatch here: https://bit.ly/TomHanks1         In the last episode of GCC, 161, Mike spoke with Andrew Heaton; a podcaster, author, political commentator, stand-up comedian, “professional speaker” and more! The duo's discussion includes Heaton's time in United Kingdom which leads onto accents & dialects within a broader conversation on travelling. They then talk about Heaton's podcast; The Political Orphanage and how he got into the world of podcasting. The two also talk about humour, themselves and a whole bunch more, intertwined with funny anecdotes! Find Mike's other show; Star Wars: Comics In Canon on Spotify & the other podcast apps on the feed of Comics In Motion & on GCC's YouTube. Episodes are out every Saturday; episodes 0-95 are out now, in ep 95 Mike tackles the fourth volume of Poe Dameron comics, in ep 94 Mike delves into the history of the Nihil's Eye; Marchion Ro and in ep 93 Mike went through the last High Republic Adventures comics! Previous episodes topics include the War Of The Bounty Hunters crossover (all 34 tie-in issues) plus the Lando comics, the Journals of Old Ben Kenobi, Kanan Jarrus, Count Dooku, Kylo Ren, Darth Maul, numerous High Republic book reviews & more - https://spoti.fi/3j37dgK Outro read by BZ The Voice: http://www.bzthevoice.com/ Mike's guest spots: Mike returned to Star Wars Timeline to talk about Villains in each of the SW trilogies here: https://youtu.be/V7382WWkSP0 - they also discuss accents in the Star Wars universe; the original trilogy here: https://youtu.be/1X0PyXkQZGg & the prequel trilogy here: https://youtu.be/3L4qWeYOzhw   Instagram – Twitter – Facebook – YouTube – Stitcher – Podbean – Spotify You can also email Mike at GenuineChitChat@outlook.com with any reviews, comments or suggestions.

In the last full episode of GCC in 2021, Ben of the YouTube channel Star Wars Timeline talks to Mike about Russia, mythology, animation, Dune and of course, Star Wars! This week brings part 2 where Mike & Ben's discussion on Dune continues with some minor spoilers, primarily focusing on the new Dune movie by Denis Villeneuve, how the Dune book compares and how it influenced Star Wars, then the duo discuss what Star Wars means to them, their favourite way to consume content, the power of special effects & CGI, why Ben started his YT channel and how he wants to open up civil discussions about Star Wars, and more! In case you missed part 1, Ben first explains what his channel Star Wars Timeline is, before Ben & Mike talk about Ben's early life in Russia and why his parents moved to the USA, confirming some of the cultural similarities, before delving into Ben's education in animation and where the passion stemmed from which leads onto a discussion on mythology's impact on culture across the globe, including Joseph Campbell's concept of Monomyth and part 1 ends with a short spoiler-free discussion on how 2021's Dune compares to it's 1984 predecessor! Please subscribe to Mike's YouTube channel as once we get 100 subscribers, we can change the YouTube channel link Ben's YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/c/starwarstimeline - Twitter: @SWT_Channel – SWT's Facebook Group Mike was on Star Wars Timeline 4 times! He spoke about The Force Awakens here: https://youtu.be/c4VMXeBU3W4, The Last Jedi here: https://youtu.be/7dGEsdfSMkY, The Rise of Skywalker here: https://youtu.be/9fZWXji7_Jo and how the 3 SW trilogies compare here: https://youtu.be/W03gonK4rtw In the last episode of GCC, number 148, Jesse McKinnell; author of Dead Cats and Anarchy & Other Lies, returns to GCC to discuss some end-of-the-world theories! Jesse & Mike confirm what they define as an apocalypse or end-of-the-world situation before delving into their personal opinions on how likely it is that each world-ending situation could occur and what the consequences may be for each one. They discuss the possibilities of aliens, artificial intelligence, nuclear war, another pandemic and environmental degradation/climate change causing the end of the world, and more! Find Mike's other show; Star Wars: Comics In Canon on Spotify & the other podcast apps on the feed of Comics In Motion & on GCC's YouTube. Episodes are out every Saturday; episodes 0-83 are out now, ep 83 is a Life Day special, in ep 82 Mike tackled the final chapter of the War Of The Bounty Hunters crossover event and in ep 81 Mike explains how Vader went to Exegol! Previous episodes topics include Lando comics, the Journals of Old Ben Kenobi, Kanan Jarrus, Count Dooku, Kylo Ren, Darth Maul, numerous book reviews & more – https://spoti.fi/3sOtqCw Intro & Outro reads by BZ The Voice: http://www.bzthevoice.com/ Mike was on the Talking Dad podcast, listen here: https://spoti.fi/3pmI6Jm Mike appeared on the Hall of Mears podcast, listen here: https://spoti.fi/3bxgXwS or watch the video version here: https://youtu.be/K5epyHW-TPs Mike was recently on the Beernuts Productions podcast, listen here: https://spoti.fi/3jpLjpD Mike along with 5 other members of Comics In Motion discussed Art Spiegelman's Maus in the 2nd CiM Book Club: https://bit.ly/BC2Maus Instagram – Twitter – Facebook – YouTube – Stitcher – Podbean – Spotify You can also email Mike at GenuineChitChat@outlook.com with any reviews, comments or suggestions.

In the last full episode of GCC in 2021, Ben of the YouTube channel Star Wars Timeline talks to Mike about Russia, mythology, animation, Dune and of course, Star Wars! In more detail for part 1, Ben first explains what his channel Star Wars Timeline is, before Ben & Mike talk about Ben's early life in Russia and why his parents moved to the USA, confirming some of the cultural similarities, before delving into Ben's education in animation and where the passion stemmed from which leads onto a discussion on mythology's impact on culture across the globe, including Joseph Campbell's concept of Monomyth and part 1 ends with a short spoiler-free discussion on how 2021's Dune compares to it's 1984 predecessor! Part 2 will be out next week (but is available now for all Patreon supporters), Mike & Ben's discussion on Dune continues with some minor spoilers, primarily focusing on the new Dune movie by Denis Villeneuve, how the Dune book compares and how it influenced Star Wars, then the duo discuss what Star Wars means to them, their favourite way to consume content, the power of special effects & CGI, why Ben started his YT channel and how he wants to open up civil discussions about Star Wars, and more! Ben's YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/c/starwarstimeline - Twitter: @SWT_Channel – SWT's Facebook Group Mike was on Star Wars Timeline 4 times! He spoke about The Force Awakens here: https://youtu.be/c4VMXeBU3W4, The Last Jedi here: https://youtu.be/7dGEsdfSMkY, The Rise of Skywalker here: https://youtu.be/9fZWXji7_Jo and how the 3 SW trilogies compare here: https://youtu.be/W03gonK4rtw In the last episode of GCC, number 148, Jesse McKinnell; author of Dead Cats and Anarchy & Other Lies, returns to GCC to discuss some end-of-the-world theories! Jesse & Mike confirm what they define as an apocalypse or end-of-the-world situation before delving into their personal opinions on how likely it is that each world-ending situation could occur and what the consequences may be for each one. They discuss the possibilities of aliens, artificial intelligence, nuclear war, another pandemic and environmental degradation/climate change causing the end of the world, and more! Please subscribe to Mike's YouTube channel as once we get 100 subscribers, we can change the YouTube channel link Find Mike's other show; Star Wars: Comics In Canon on Spotify & the other podcast apps on the feed of Comics In Motion & on GCC's YouTube. Episodes are out every Saturday; episodes 0-82 are out now, in ep 82 Mike tackled the final chapter of the War Of The Bounty Hunters crossover event, in ep 81 Mike explains how Vader went to Exegol and in ep 80 Mike tackled the second volume of Bounty Hunters! Previous episodes topics include Lando comics, the Journals of Old Ben Kenobi, Kanan Jarrus, Count Dooku, Kylo Ren, Darth Maul, numerous book reviews & more – https://spoti.fi/3sOtqCw Intro & Outro reads by BZ The Voice: http://www.bzthevoice.com/ Mike was on the Talking Dad podcast, listen here: https://spoti.fi/3pmI6Jm Mike appeared on the Hall of Mears podcast, listen here: https://spoti.fi/3bxgXwS or watch the video version here: https://youtu.be/K5epyHW-TPs Mike was recently on the Beernuts Productions podcast, listen here: https://spoti.fi/3jpLjpD Mike along with 5 other members of Comics In Motion discussed Art Spiegelman's Maus in the 2nd CiM Book Club: https://bit.ly/BC2Maus Instagram – Twitter – Facebook – YouTube – Stitcher – Podbean – Spotify You can also email Mike at GenuineChitChat@outlook.com with any reviews, comments or suggestions.

Join us as we kick off Season 2 with a nostalgic journey through 00's R'N'B. Welcome to the Millennium! This episode i'm joined by not 1 but 3 special guests: Ben, Mike & Kopeman founders of Room 187! Room 187 is a fantastic Gameshow & Karaoke event which most definately gives you all the nostalgic vibes. We reminisce and discuss some of our favourite tunes from one of the most iconic eras! We also discuss the King and Queen of R'N'B (Can you guess who we crowned?) as well as the Vocal bible my absolute fav Brandy. We also chop it up about our favourite one hit wonder classics! Baby Blue and Baby Pink we the colours of the season and 5 day pass had us all gisting without limits! The entire episode is a vibe and will definitely help you relieve those good times. Listen to the playlist here: TFP - 00'S RNB

What a win for the Leicestershire Foxes. What a defeat for Surrey. Seemingly cruising to victory, 4 wickets in seven balls changed the course of the game. Take a bow Ben Mike. Joining Sam to discuss the game was the voice of Surrey CCC Mark Church, while Eddie Barnes also dropped in for a chat. 

Nominate All Things Covered for The People's Choice Podcast Awards: https://www.podcastawards.com/app/signup/ They'll see each other next month in Canton, Ohio, but before then Bryant McFadden got the chance to chat with his former (and first) NFL head coach, Bill Cowher in the lead up to the Hall of Fame induction ceremony. BMac and BC discuss that surprise moment of learning he'd be enshrined and the distinct Black and Gold feel to this year's class. Not only has Cowher been writing a Hall of Fame speech, but he's also been writing a book called 'Heart and Steel' and available now. He explains the purpose goes way beyond football. 'The Chin' details landing the job with his hometown team, building a culture in Pittsburgh and drafting Ben Roethlisberger before diving into memories of the Steelers 2005 Super Bowl run. That group captured a ring but was it even the best team he coached? Cowher comments on Mike Tomlin's coaching future as well as what it was like to coach Rod Woodson and Troy Polamalu (also Hall of Famers). Finally, Superlatives.  'All Things Covered' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox and wherever else you listen to podcasts.  You can listen to All Things Covered on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the All Things Covered podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the All Things Covered podcast." Visit the All Things Covered YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/allthingscovered Like our Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/AllThingsCoveredPod Follow Pat on Instagram and Twitter Follow BMac on Instagram and Twitter Follow All Things Covered on Instagram and Twitter Produced by: @E_DeBerardinis For more NFL coverage from CBS Sports, visit https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/ To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ben Aiton & Mike Duffy are back with the first episode of Season 4 of 'Voices of the Vic' podcast and this one is a Transfer special. The lads talk about the players that have been announced already and then go through the list of transfer targets that have been linked with the club.

Mike Isaacson: Da j00z! [Theme song] Nazi SS UFOsLizards wearing human clothesHinduism's secret codesThese are nazi lies Race and IQ are in genesWarfare keeps the nation cleanWhiteness is an AIDS vaccineThese are nazi lies Hollow earth, white genocideMuslim's rampant femicideShooting suspects named Sam HydeHiter lived and no Jews died Army, navy, and the copsSecret service, special opsThey protect us, not sweatshopsThese are nazi lies Mike: At the core of nazi lies is antisemitism. Since the Second World War it has disguised itself in many guises–Rothschilds, Soros, Bildebergs, lizard people. At its core is an all-powerful entity controlling the masses and aiming to destroy the nation through the corruption of culture and politics, which remains at the heart of fascist conspiracy theory. One of the ur-texts of Jew hatred in the 21st century is David Duke's book “Jewish Supremacism,” which makes the claim that not only do Jews control the world, but that our religion teaches us to do so. Today, we're joined by Ben Siegel who has his master's in Religion, the Hebrew Bible, and Ancient Near Eastern Studies from the Claremont School of Theology. (Wow, that's a mouthful.) Welcome to The Nazi Lies Podcast, Ben. Ben Siegel: Thanks for having me Mike. I'm grateful for the opportunity to trash a Jew hater's biblical scholarship. Mike: [laughs] Very good. Okay, so before we get into Duke's book, let's talk a bit about how Judaism works, because it's very unlike Christianity. Can you give us a rundown of how Jewish law and Jewish morality works? Ben: Sure. I'll do my best. Now the Jewish legal system, known in Hebrew as halakha, is a comprehensive framework that informs the behaviors of religious, and also frequently secular, Jews. It takes as its starting point the written text, the Torah, the biblical books of Genesis through Deuteronomy, from which it derives 613 mitzvot, meaning laws or commandments, as authoritative God-given instruction on how to live an observant Jewish life. So from those texts, considered the written Torah, what's called the oral Torah is derived. This comprises successive centuries worth of interpretation of the written Torah by rabbis. The earliest of these is the Mishnah, which was compiled early in the second century of the common era, and the Gemara, rabbinical commentary on the Mishnah that was put together between the second and fifth centuries CE. These commentaries were collected to produce the Talmud. Now one in the Galilee region of Israel between 300 and 350 CE, known as the Jerusalem Talmud, and the second far more extensive Talmud compiled in Babylon in about 450 to 500 CE. This is the Babylonian Talmud. This is the one that people tend to cite most. It's really these long, extensive discourses weighing legal arguments on virtually every topic that was relevant to Jews during these periods, from personal and communal religious devotion to economic regulations to laws concerning marriage, dietary restrictions, relations with non-Jews; you name it. Now the Talmud is upheld to this day by most Jewish communities across the world as the basis for living an appropriate Jewish life in accordance with halakha and in accordance with God's will and vision for the world. Halakha informs Jewish ethics to a great deal as much as it undergirds legal and political concerns–a concern for ethical treatment of one's community and one's neighbors, stemming from the collective memory of slavery in Egypt, an ethics of solidarity, really, righteousness, compassion, and justice, in effect. Mike: Okay, so Duke takes aim at our self-description as the chosen people. This is commonly misinterpreted. What does it mean when the Jews say we are the chosen people? Ben: As the old saying goes, “How odd of God to choose the Jews.” So there's this notion that God selected the Israelites for a particular theological mission, to live according to His laws, and to be a light unto nations, inspiring other people through their example. But there's also this idea that the Jews chose God. That Abraham and his descendents embraced monotheism through a special and unique relationship with the deity. Chosenness in this sense isn't indicative of inherent ethnic or racial superiority, as Duke argues. I'd feel safe saying he's projecting his own white supremacist views onto the Jews here. Mike: You don't say. Ben: [laughs] Yeah, I do.  Mike: Okay, so another thing that David Duke derides is our holidays. Specifically, he describes Purim and Pesach as a celebration of the slaughter of gentiles, which I find absolutely laughable. Do you want to clear that one up? Ben: This would absolutely be hilarious if it weren't so malicious. Pesach celebrates the liberation of the Israelite people from slavery and oppression in Egypt. Recalling the ten plagues during the seder does recognize the suffering inflicted upon the Egyptians to make this happen. But this isn't a joyful moment. It's typically somber. The recitation of each plague is followed by dripping a drop of wine from our cups onto our plates to signify how we ourselves are diminished by the Egyptians' suffering. There's also a similarly warped misinterpretation of Purim going on here, where we celebrate the prevention of genocide against us. So in the Purim story, Haman had ordered the Jews put to death. The Megillah Esther makes it clear that the 70,000+ Persians killed at the end of the book are those sent by Haman to slaughter the Jews. And the Jews were only able to defend themselves because king Ahasuerus gives them permission to pick up swords. And to be frank, Mike, defense against genocide seems to a pretty legitimate cause for merrymaking.  Mike: Yeah, no, for sure. It's a really fun holiday if you've ever celebrated it, you know. It's a lot of dress up… I've heard it described as basically a combination of Halloween and New Years all wrapped into one. It's really fun.  Ben: Sure, if you like to drink and scream, Purim is the holiday for you. Mike: There you go. [laughs] Okay, so now let's get into the nitty gritty. So, David Duke cites a whole bunch of scriptures to make the Jews out to be haters of all things goyishe, or non-Jewish, with scriptural references that appear to justify unscrupulous behavior towards them. First of all, before we get into that, what does the word “goy” mean? Ben: Well it would be prudent to acknowledge that the term “goy” changes meaning slightly over time. In the biblical text, it means nation or people, not nation in the modern sense of Westphalian nation-states, but more as a homogenous ethnic identity. The Israelites were recognized as a goy here. Most notably, Exodus 19 where God promises Abraham that he will make his people “goy gadol,” a great people, Exodus 19:6. As we enter into the rabbinic period, where the Jews in the diaspora are negotiating Jewish identity as a minority population, goy predominantly takes on the meaning of non-Jew as a distinguishing marker. This interpretation of “goy” has persisted to this day, and is perhaps the most commonly recognized usage of the term. I have seen discussions among antisemites who misinterpret it as meaning “cattle,” based on connotations in Talmudic texts. But these texts offer a strict binary worldview where “Jew” is seen as akin to human, whereas non-Jews are aligned with animals. I think it's important to make the distinction that this framework is a legal one not necessarily a political one. Post exilic diaspora Jews did not have the kind of social power needed to foster political programs that affected the disenfranchisement of other groups typically associated with rhetorics of dehumanization.  Mike: Okay, so kind of on that point, Duke points to a number of decontextualized passages from Jewish scripture which describe gentiles in various negative ways: barbarians, animals, animal-fuckers. And I've got a few passages here which I've provided to you in advance. So there's Gemara Kiddushin 68a, Yebamoth (and correct me on any of these pronunciations) Yebamoth 98a, Baba Mezia 114a-b, Abodah Zarah 22a-b, and Baba Mezia 108b. Can you give us a little exegesis? Ben: I'd be happy to, but first I want to talk about how Duke sourced these texts. There's been some commentary on him plagiarizing Kevin McDonald who is an evolutionary psychologist working out of Cal State University-Long Beach. He uses the same arguments and the citations. But it also appears that Duke took many of the translations of these texts from a book by Elizabeth Dilling, who was a far-right political activist in the 1930s, noted antisemite, who went to Nazi Germany and spoke very highly of what she saw there. So with these translations that he's using, I think it's important that we take it with an enormous grain of salt, first of all. Mike: Right. Ben: But also the thing I've noticed most about non-Jews who rage against the Talmud is that they haven't read the damn thing. And frankly, I haven't read all of it either. It's an enormous body of text. And in that body of text there are, you know, rabbis disagreeing with each other. So one view may be held, and the exact opposite view is going to be upheld a line down. Just worth noting for when we're looking at these texts that are obviously cherry-picked. Mike: Right. Ben: The first one you mentioned, Kiddushin 68a, it's from a tractate that deals with rules pertaining to marriage and engagement laws. Now what Duke says about this is the Talmud denotes gentiles as animals. So here it's forbidding the betrothal of an Israelite to a Canaanite maidservant. One thing, there's no Canaanites in third century Persia at this time, so this is purely a hypothetical situation. But it's really this legal justification for not marrying non-Jews because of the potential for them to influence a Jew's worship in a negative way, so that they won't follow halakha. And there's definitely a discussion here of identifying them as like an animal, but it's not a similar dehumanization that we see in typical nazi rhetoric of like “Jews are cockroaches” or “Jews are vermin.” It's like, here is this category of thing that is not us, and we cannot mix with that. Does that make sense? Mike Yeah, I guess. Does the issue of her being a maidservant matter in a subordinate position to the person?  Ben: Some rabbis argue yes; some rabbis argue no. But really it's more that who she is, based on this identity, is making the betrothal ineffective. It's not considered valid. Mike: Okay, so like– Ben: Yeah. Mike: Go ahead. Ben: No, go right ahead. Mike: Okay, yeah continuing right along, let's go to Yebamoth 98a? Ben: Yeah, Yebamoth deals with rules of yibbum. This is what's commonly known as levarite marriage, where the brother of a man who died without children is permitted and encouraged to marry the widow. What Duke has this translated as is that all gentile children are animals. It doesn't say anything of the sort here. It's saying that the children of gentiles don't have a father. They don't have a patrilege. Like the offspring of a male gentile is considered no more related to him than the offspring of donkeys or horses. It's just a way of saying that the rabbis don't care who the kid's dad is. It's like, they couldn't be bothered. Mike: I see. Ben: They're not interested in the patrilege of non-Jews. They're really more concerned with Jewish family ties. Mike: Okay, so moving along, there's two passages from Baba Metzia, one is 114a-b and one is 108b. Ben: Mmhmm. Baba Metzia discusses civil matters. That is property, law of usury, other issues such as lost property and damages done to it. So the issue here is again, categorizing– Duke takes issue with the categorizing of goyim as non-human. And again, it comes down to the same thing. It's less that they are not recognized as human, and more that it is an issue of ritual purity because they don't adhere to the same religious standards. Therefore, they necessarily can't contaminate certain Jewish sacred spaces. Mike: That's probably– Ben: And– Mike: Go ahead. Ben: Yeah, sorry go ahead. Mike: I was gonna say, it's probably also worth noting that like many Jews, I would venture even to say most Jews, probably don't follow a lot of these laws. [laughs] Ben: Yeah, many of them aren't even aware of them. You know, you can spend your entire life studying these texts and maybe come across it once. You know, there are thousands of these tractates. Mike: And last in this category was Abodah Zarah 22a-b. Ben: Mmhmm. [laughs] This one's funny. Duke says gentiles prefer sex with cows. What the text is actually saying is that the animal of a Jew is more appealing to gentiles than their own wives. [laughs] So, I don't know if this intentionally, you know, throwing some shade gentiles and their own marriage relations, but it seems more in keeping with a concern that's held by the Talmudic sages of how do you ensure that an animal that you are sacrificing is ritually pure. That means it has no blemishes; it is handicapped in any way; but very importantly, that it has not had any sexual relations with anybody. So Abodah Zarah, literally meaning “foreign worship” or “strange service,” it deals with how to live with people who don't adhere to the same religious convictions. And the concern of beastiality is kind of a big, overarching theme in this text to the point that there are many discussions of concern about whether or not you can purchase a sacrificial animal from a goy. Some rabbis say no; some say yes. Interestingly enough, there is one narrative in the text, where a goy named Dama– The rabbis go to him, and purchase a red heifer which is like a really big omen in the bible. It's like huge. That's like primo sacrifice. And he is upheld as a righteous goy and as someone who would never shtup his cow. So what's really interesting here is that you've got these two different voices in the text that are both preserved as authoritative. One, there is the concern that the goy will engage in beastiality. The other is this one goy Dama who is upheld as an example of righteousness in regards to being able to buy, you know, a sacrificial animal for him. Of course, Duke isn't going to look at this text because it doesn't serve his overall purpose as vilifying the Jewish people as anti-goy. Mike: And before we continue, I want to inform our listeners that shtup is a Yiddish word for “having sex with.” Ben: Yeah, literally it means “push,” but yeah, it means sex. Mike: Alright so, Duke also makes the claim that there are different laws that Jews follow when it comes to dealing with the goyim. So he specifically points to Gittin 57a, Abadoh Zarah 67b, Sanhendrin 52b, Sanhedrin 105a-b and 106a-b. Can you explain what's going on in those passages? Ben: Sure, so my understanding of his gripe with Gittin 57a is what is the punishment for Jesus in the next world, saying that he will be boiled in excrement. He's going to be punished in boiling poop, and that anyone who mocks the word of the sages will be sentenced to boiling excrement. This was his sin, as he mocked the words of the sages. And the Gemara comments come and see the difference between these sinners of Israel and the prophets of the nations of the world as Balaam, who was a prophet, wished Israel harm whereas Jesus the Nazarene, who was a Jewish sinner, sought their wellbeing. So there is this, kind of– There's some antagonism towards Jesus in the text because of its function as– Jesus's function and Christianity's function as a counter-claim to the inheritance of Abraham and of Isaac and Jacob. So there's some theological competition going on here. Mike: And what about Abodah Zarah 67b? Ben: Mmhmm. “The halakha from the case of gentiles that require purging. Vessels that gentiles used for cooking that the Torah requires that one purge through fire and ritually purify before they may be used by Jews.” You know, he seems to be indicating that– Duke seems to be indicating that the text is saying that goyim are dirty. But this isn't an argument for, like, hygienic cleaning. The ancient Israelites and Talmudic sages didn't have a germ theory of disease. What they're talking about is purifying these vessels for religious purposes, specifically. They have to be rededicated for their sacred use because they may have come in contact with forbidden food, with non-kosher food. Mike: Right, so this is about the laws of kashrut, right? Ben: Yeah, precisely. And again this is Abodah Zarah which is all about how do we do our religion properly with all of these other influences around us. Mike: Right, okay so Sanhendrin 52b. Ben: Yeah, this is another Jesus one. So Duke says that the person being punished in this text is Jesus, and he sees this as an anti-Jesus text. But the text doesn't mention Jesus whatsoever. It's a general rule for capital punishment by strangulation which is outlined in Leviticus. So this is one of your big nazi lies. He doesn't mention– They don't mention Jesus here. Mike: Is this one of the ones where he mentions Balaam or something? Ben: I believe so. Mike: Okay, can you talk about who Balaam is, because Duke misidentifies him as Jesus. Ben: Yeah he does that a lot. So in the book of Numbers, Balaam is a prophetic figure, identified in the text as a false prophet, who goes to send a curse against the Israelite people, and he is himself cursed for it and put to death. So he's kind of like this figure of those who would seek the destruction the Jewish people. He's a big bad. Mike: Right, and since he's in the book of Numbers which is the Torah, right? Ben: Yeah. Mike: Yeah, I mean, that would mean that this is, like, well before Jesus's time, right? Ben: Absolutely. Mike: Like there's no way this would have been Jesus. Ben: For sure. Granted, there are certain Christian interpreters of the text who see Hebrew bible references to Jesus throughout. Mike: Right. Ben: So they kind of see Jesus as foreshadowed in so much. Mike: Alright so, moving on, Sanhendrin 105a-b? Ben: So this one's interesting because it says that Balaam was a diviner by using his penis. [both laugh] And he's one who engaged in beastiality with his donkey. So what Duke takes to be a condemnation of Jesus, because he's misidentified Jesus with Balaam, is really kind of like textbook Talmudic condemnation of a big bad goy. Now here's a guy who sought the destruction of the Jewish people. In the book of Numbers he's got this talking donkey who prevents him– who tries to stop him from going forward with his mission. And we know that he was bad because, according to the Talmud, he had sex with his donkey. There's this major preoccupation with bestiality in the Talmud, and it is weird as hell. But it's there, and we've got to deal with it. [laughs] Mike: Okay, and Sanhendrin 106a-b. Ben: Again, this one's not about Jesus, but rather about Balaam who has been misidentified with Jesus. I think this is– this kind of misidentification is just indicative of Duke not doing his homework. My understanding is that he took these from Dilling, and he never fact-checked to see if, you know, this is what the text says or this is what the text identifies. You know, this is bad scholarship on his part which is probably to be expected from this guy who defrauded his own his own white supremacist organization and has a fake degree. Mike: Right, and he even says in the book that he's not doing anything original, that it's just collected from other sources. Ben: Right. Mike: Well, since we're on the subject of Jesus, we may as well go with the rest of the passages that I have here. So Sanhendrin 90a. I'm kind of skipping around here. Ben: Yeah this one's all about prohibition against idol worship. And you said this one is Jesus-related? Mike: That's what he said, yeah. About Christianity and Jesus, yeah. Ben: I don't find much to do with Jesus in this text. Jesus isn't mentioned in this one. It's primarily about idol worship and people who prophesize with regards to it. Maybe he's trying to say that, like, the preoccupation with idol worship is a condemnation of Christianity, but I'm just not seeing where he's getting Jesus out of this. Mike: Okay then, on that same subject Shabbat 116a. Ben: Yeah, holy books in Babylonian temples. Now is this the one where he says a goy can't read the text? Mike: It might be, yeah. Or a Christian can't read the text. Ben: Yeah, oh no, this is a really particular one. Again this one is just– There's a lot of rhetorical violence against those who do the religion improperly or don't treat the sacred texts as they should. You know, these are practices and artifacts that are very important to the Jewish people, so they hold them in very high regard. Mike: So I guess moving along, Duke refers to a number of passages in the Bible that he takes to mean that Jews are preoccupied with racial integrity. (Projection much?) He points specifically to Sanhendrin 59a, Deuteronomy 7:2-6, Ezra 9:1-2 and 9:12, Leviticus 20:24, and Nehemiah 13:3. So what do these passages say and what do they actually mean? Ben: With Sanhedrin 59a, which Sanhedrin primarily deals with criminal law, it says that “A gentile who engages in Torah study is liable to receive the death penalty. As it is stated: ‘Moses commanded us a law, an inheritance of the congregation of Jacob.'” This is from Deuteronomy 33:4. “Indicating that it is an inheritance for us, and not for them.” So there is one sage, a rabbi Yokhanon who is arguing that goyim who study Torah, you know, they're liable to be put to death. You know, they expose themselves to capital punishment. He's arguing this because they view the Torah with such high esteem; it is their most sacred text. They want to preserve it. Now this text is followed a line or two down by a counterargument. It says, “You have therefore learned that even a gentile who engages Torah study is considered like a high priest.” So you've got one argument saying that a goy who studies Torah is liable to be put to death, and another that says that they have an incredible status, that studying Torah gives them very high regard. But this again is one of those instances where Duke does not consider that might undermine his central thesis that Jews are bad, are always bad, and will always be bad. Mike: Okay, so what about the Deuteronomy passages? Ben: Deuteronomy is fascinating. We could do a whole discussion of that book in and of itself because it is–Deuteronomy in Greek means “second law”–but it is kind of a later law code that is arguably the result of a very kind of reactionary sect of Israelite theology that does not see coexistence with people who don't worship YHWH as possible. And rhetorically, what they are saying is when the Israelites get to the promised land, they are to commit genocide against the peoples of the land. Don't intermarry with them because that could lead to apostasy, that could lead to illicit worship. You know, their daughters will lead you to serve other gods. The sense here is that Israel is a holy people, God has chosen them to be special unto him, and if they allow this foreign influence to affect them, that will be undermined. Mike: Okay, and what about the Ezra text? Ezra 9:1-2 and 9:12. Ben: Yeah, there's some scholarship to indicate that Ezra and Nehemiah represent one scholarly tradition. So after the Babylonian empire was defeated by the Persian empire, the Persians allowed the community of Israelites that had been taken into exile, the golah community, to return to the land, to rebuild the temple, and to reestablish rule. So one of the concerns of the returning community is this very specific idea that the reason they were exiled in the first place is because God is punishing them for worshipping other gods. And that sense also undergirds the theology of the book of Deuteronomy. So their solution is that, to prevent that from ever happening again, they have to divorce from the non-Israelite wives that they had married that might lead them into temptation. Now this is the view of the returning community, not the community that had stayed in the land of Israel during that time. So these would have been the intelligentsia, the priestly class, the aristocracy, skilled laborers, so it's not a normative view, but it kind of becomes normative because it becomes the dominant voice of the text, if that makes any sense. But they are saying that for the sake not just of religious purity but also to establish power for themselves, you know, the returning community has a claim to power in the land, not just because they have, you know, they have a connection to it where they are before the exile, but they are supported by the Persian imperial power. They're making this new claim of identity and religiosity to assert that power. Mike: Okay and what about Leviticus 20:24? Ben: “You shall inherit their land” (“Them” being the Canaanites.) “that I will give unto you to possess it, a land that flows with milk and honey. I am the Lord your God that separated you from other people.” So this is God telling the Israelites that they will be given the promised land because God has chosen them, has separated them. The word “kodesh,” to be holy, also means separate. So it's really a theological category, not an ethnic one. You know, the Israelites are separate from these people and are given the land because of their adherence to the covenant at Sinai, not because they are of a particular ethnic or racial background. Mike: Okay, so we talked a little bit about kind of the somewhat genocidal tendencies I guess. And so David Duke talks about massacres perpetrated by Jews in the bible. He points to Deuteronomy 20:10-18, Isaiah 34:2-3. and Joshua 6:21 and 10:28-41. And when I mentioned Joshua to you, you kind of rolled your eyes at it. Ben: Yeah. Mike: So I guess let's start with Joshua then. Ben: Yeah, I do. Good. Joshua's a fascinating text. Scholars pretty much agree that it has no, or little to no, basis in historical fact. You know, one of these is that, these texts Joshua 6:21, is the destruction of the city of Jericho which according to archeological records happened several hundred years prior to when this narrative is supposed to have taken place. But what's being discussed here in 21 is the devotion of the city to the Lord, the destruction of every living thing in it. So, you know, this is absolutely a genocidal text. It's a purification of the land by the sword and by flame. So typically in war in the ancient near east, you could take slaves, you could take cattle as war booty. But what is being done here is the destruction of all of that, saying that everything belongs to God, and as such it must be destroyed and sacrificed unto him. But it's also seen as a kind of justice because here are these, for lack of a better word, pagans who stand in the way of the Israelite mission, and who may also tempt the Israelites to turn away from the path of God. So it's absolutely this violent, theologically motivated holy war, genocidal slaughter, maintained in the text. And I do think it's important to wrestle with these notions. You know, whether or not it actually happened, it's still– It's there, and it informs a great deal of thinking. It informed the colonization of the New World, whereby settlers from Europe saw themselves as Israelites and the indigenous people here as Canaanites. Robert Allen Warrior is an indigenous scholar who's done a lot of work on this. But then, the Joshua narrative also informed many of the early Zionists, and they saw themselves as, as Rachel Haverlock called the Joshua generation. Like, Ben Gurion assembled a number of different people to do bible studies on the book of Joshua. It is a text of settler colonialism and can be used to justify that kind of political programme. Mike: Okay so back to Deutero– Ben: If that's what you're trying to do, Joshua is a good place to pull from. Mike: Okay so back to Deuteronomy, 20:10-18. What's being said in there? Ben: “When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open its gates, all the people shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage in battle, lay siege to the city.” And the ban, or kherem, is in effect there. So destroy, destroy, destroy, and leave nothing because everything is for God. It's the same scenario– In this instance, the people in the land are given the opportunity to surrender, otherwise they are subject to the sword. It's very similar to the kind of warfare described in other texts from the ancient near east, whether they're Assyrian or Babylonian. So it's not uncommon to see this kind of siege warfare described, and it's not necessarily unique to the Israelite people. Mike: Right, I mean, yeah, I mean that was one of the things that happened to the Israelite people, at least in engaging the Romans, right? Ben: Yeah, precisely. Mike: Okay, what about Isaiah 34:2-3? Ben: This one's interesting because it's not actually a narrative of slaughter. It's a prophetic oracle delivered against the people of Edom, the Edomites, for betraying the Israelites to the Babylonians and assisting in their imperial endeavors. It's saying that, you know, you will be destroyed. You know, the corpses of your people will lay in the street. So it's not an actual thing that happened. It's part of a type of prophetic literature called oracles against the nations where the prophet of a particular book will condemn a specific people on God's behalf. Keep in mind that the prophets aren't really seen as their own agents. They're the agents of God; they speak God's word. So God through Isaiah is saying, here's what's going to happen to you because of your betrayal. Mike:  Okay, so this next part is probably going to need a trigger warning or something. So there's some really strange passages that he cites about rape and virginity that I honestly haven't looked at because by the time I got to these passages I was just tired of him being wrong every time I checked the passages he cited. So he cites Kethuboth 11b, Sanhedrin 55b and 69a-b, Yebamoth 57b, 58a, and 60b. So let's start with Kethuboth. Ben: Right, yeah, so here he's– The issue is Bath Sheeba, when she gave birth to Solomon, whether or not she was six years old, or whether or not she was an earlier age. It's not saying that six-year-olds are appropriate– or that six is an appropriate age for sexual relations with a girl. It's arguing at what age a child can conceive. Like when is conception possible? And it's saying that because Bath Sheeba gave birth to Solomon when she was six, it's somewhere around that time. Yeah, this whole discourse is really gnarly.  Mike: Okay, so what about Sanhendrin 55b? Ben: So here it's about a girl who is three years and one day whose father has arranged for her to be married, and betrothal is through intercourse. It's concerning the legal status of the intercourse with her, if it's like full-fledged sex. Really here the text is examining forbidden sexual acts that cause ritual impurity and calamity. And prior to this specific quotation is a broader context of unwitting beastiality, like beastiality that you didn't know you did. It's not justifying sex with minors; it says that the act renders the man ritually impure and liable to be put to death. Lucky for the child, I guess lucky, is that they're exempt from execution because they're a minor. Small condolence I guess. Mike: Okay so it's basically saying the opposite of what David Duke said. Ben: Yeah. Mike: Okay, what about 69a-b? Ben: I mean, this is probably a discussion of the legal ramifications of this act. Mike: Yeah this is actually, this says exactly what you were talking about earlier. So “A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition, and if her deceased husband's brother cohabitated with her, she becomes his.” Blah blah blah. Ben: Yeah, because it's Yebamoth– It's Yebamoth, right? Mike: No this is Sanhendrin. Ben: Oh Sanhendrin. So this is, yeah, criminal law. So this is the liability of criminal punishment, but also these rabbis debated everything. What is the likelihood that a three-year-old is going to be married to someone who then dies and then has to be– Again they have the option to be married to their brother so that the dead brother's lineage doesn't end. They're really negotiating, like, every possible eventuality that might happen just in case. You know, all of these are hypothetical situations. And, you know, they're gross. Some of them are just really fucked up. Mike: [laughs] Yeah Jews like to talk about a lot of weird hypotheticals. Alright so now onto the Yebamoth one. So 57b. Ben: Yeah, Yebamoth 57b. This one I've got, “A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired by marriage in coition.” So yeah, the sex act is technically allowed. It's not condoning it. But because three-year-old girls cannot become pregnant, it's still technically forbidden because it's a waste of seed in non-procreative sex. So it's saying that she can't conceive via sexual intercourse, so it's really forbidden because sex in this worldview is not for pleasure; it's purely for procreation. So if you are wasting sperm engaging in this sex act, it's a bad thing. Not going to lie, this one's fucked up. Mike: Yeah, what about 58a? Ben: Um, doesn't say anything about minors. Mike: Really? Ben: Just, yeah, I didn't see anything about minors in this one. Mike: What about rape? Ben: Most likely. Let me just take a closer look. Mike: Or virginity or something? Ben: Yeah, do you have a quote on this one? Mike: Not sure. I mean, I don't have quotes on any of these because again I stopped looking at them. Ben: Yeah, and a lot of it is just like– It's kind of he said, she said. I don't know. I don't take David Duke's reading of these in good faith, and I don't think we can. Mike: This is a weird passage. There's something about “Through betrothal alone a woman is not entitled to eat.” This is so strange. Ben: I mean I would lie if I said that I understood the majority of Talmudic literature. Mike: Right. Ben: You know, people can spend seven years reading this entire work all the way through. The law of tamurah. Mike: Yeah, and, I mean, even– David Duke doesn't even necessarily quote these passages. He just references them. And I guess, like you said, he probably pulls them from other sources without reading them. Ben: Yeah, I– With this, I can't even tell, like, what he's arguing. Like, what is the– What issue is he taking here? Mike: Yeah, I would suggest that our listeners read this passage and try to figure out what the fuck David Duke has a problem with. Ben: Yeah exactly. Yeah [sarcastically] read David Duke's book. You'll have fun. Mike: Yeah, no don't read David Duke's book, but you can read the Talmud, that's pretty good. Ben: Spend seven years reading the whole thing. You can do it, a daf a day. Mike: Alright, do you have any notes on Yebamoth 60b? Ben: So this is where the Gemara cites another ruling related to who is considered a virgin. And it's not condoning sex with a three-year-old. It says that in the event of that happening, she remains a virgin because her hymen grows back. Like if it's through a sex act with an adult man or if her hymen is ruptured by wood. You know, she's still considered a virgin because it grows back. I don't know if that's medically true. Mike: Yeah, I was– Ben: Sounds like bullshit, but the issue here is virginity as it relates to being able to determine paternity in the long run. Mike: Okay, alright, so Judaism has changed a lot since these texts were written. So what can we say about the ethos of Judaism now as it relates to these texts? Ben: Right, obviously most Jews aren't concerned with the majority of the issues we've addressed here today. You know, they don't spend a lot of time thinking about beastiality, thank goodness. But I think if there is a single Jewish ethos, it's an affirmation of being the people of Israel, literally meaning “to wrestle with God,” Yis-ra-el. Engagement in argument over Torah are so central to our people's identity that even secular atheist Jews still contend with these issues. So as many different types of Jews as there are and how many different ways they approach the text, there still profoundly, proudly participating in a longstanding tradition that's engaging with and arguing with the tradition. I think that's the modern Jewish ethos, and it's much the same as the ancient but adapted to the current context: How do we live a good life?  Mike: Word, well Ben Siegel, thank you so much for coming on The Nazi Lies Podcast and taking the time to do the tedious work of debunking David fucking Duke. [both laugh] You can catch Ben on Twitter and Facebook at Anarcho-Judaism. Ben: Mike it has been an absolute pleasure. Thank you for having me. [Theme song]

Show notes:Links:Mike MondragonCRDTShip of TheseusExceptional CreaturesShiba Inu Full Transcript:Ben:I'm just gonna dive on in there. I'm so eager. I'm so excited. It's actually weird because Starr is the one that typically starts us off. Josh:Yeah. I thought we were just going to start with our just general banter, and then not introduce the guest until 30 minutes later.Ben:By the way.Josh:It is also our tradition.Ben:Yeah. Well we're getting better at this thing.Josh:Where we say, "Oh, by the way, if Starr doesn't sound like Starr..."Ben:Right, yes. Today Starr doesn't sound like Starr because today's star is Mike Mondragon instead. Welcome Mike.Josh:Hey Mike.Mike:Hey.Ben:Mike is a long time friend of the show, and friend of the founders. Actually, Mike, how long have we known each other? It's been at least 10, maybe 15 years?Mike:Probably 2007 Seattle RB.Ben:Okay.Josh:Yeah. I was going to say you two have known each other much longer than I've even known Ben.Ben:Yeah.Josh:So you go back.Ben:Way back.Mike:Yep.Josh:Yeah.Ben:Yeah.Josh:Because I think Ben and I met in 2009.Ben:Mm-hmm (affirmative).Josh:Or something.Mike:Okay.Ben:Yeah, Mike and I have been hanging out for a long time.Mike:Yeah.Ben:We've known each other through many, many different jobs, and contracts, and so on. It's been awesome.Josh:Yeah, Mike, I feel like I've heard your name since... Yeah, for the last, at least, 10 years just working with Ben. You've always been in the background. And we've realized this is the first time we've actually met face to face, which is crazy. But it's great to... Yeah.Mike:Yeah.Josh:... have a face to put with the little... What is it, a cat avatar? Is a cat in your avatar? You've had that avatar for a really long time I feel like.Mike:Yeah, that's Wallace.Josh:Okay.Mike:So I'm Mond on GitHub and Twitter, and that cat avatar is our tuxedo cat, Wallace. And he is geriatric now. Hopefully he'll live another year. And if you remember in that era of Ruby, all of the Japanese Rubyists had cat icons. And so that was... I don't know. That's why Wallace is my icon.Josh:Yeah. Nice.Ben:So, so do Wallace and Goripav know each other?Mike:No, no, they don't. They're like best friends, right? They had to have met at Seattle RB.Ben:Yeah. Internet friends.Mike:Internet friends, yeah.Ben:Yeah. So, Mike is old school Ruby, way back, way back, yeah. But the other funny thing about the old Rubyists, all those Japanese Rubyists, I remember from RubyConf Denver... Was that 2007? Somewhere around there. I remember going to that and there were mats and a bunch of friends were sitting up at the front, and they all had these miniature laptops. I've never seen laptops so small. I don't know what they were, nine inch screens or something crazy.Mike:Mm-hmm (affirmative).Ben:I was like, "How do you even type on that thing?" But it's a thing. So I guess... I don't know. I haven't been to Japan.Mike:There are laptops that you could only get in Japan and they flash them with some sort of Linux probably.Ben:Yeah. Yeah.Mike:Mm-hmm (affirmative).Josh:Okay. I wonder how long it took them to compile C on there.Mike:Yeah. So, about the orbit with the founders. So, I think I'd put it in my notes that I... And I consider myself a sliver of a Honeybadger in that I did have a conversation with Ben about joining the company. And then in 2017, I did do a little contracting with you guys, which is ironic in that... So we're probably going to talk about cryptocurrencies and Bitcoin. So the Bitcoin protocol is, essentially, on a four-year timer. And in 2017 was the last time that we were building up to, I guess, an explosive end to that cycle. And I had just been working at Salesforce at Desk.com, And I left because of Bitcoin. And then this year, four years later, I, again, just left Salesforce, but I just left from Heroku. And I didn't leave so much because of Bitcoin, I just got a better opportunity, and I'm a principal engineer at Okta, and I'm in the developer experience working on SDKs, primarily, the Golang SDK.Mike:So I think one of the things that they were happy about was that I had experience carrying the pager, and knowing what that's like, and they wanted to have an experienced engineer that would have empathy for the engineers to main the SDK. So I'm really excited to be here, because I'm not going to be carrying the pager, and it is the fun programming. What I imagine, listening to the founders, about the kind of fun programming that you guys get to do, working with different languages and whatnot. So, obviously right now, I'm starting out with Golang. We don't have a Ruby SDK, because OmniAuth provider is the thing that most people use. But, there's also PHP, and some Java, so I'm just looking forward to being able to do a bunch of different languages.Josh:Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. We don't know anything about SDK teams, Honeybadger. But yeah, it sounds like we have very similar jobs at the moment. So that's cool. We'll have to trade tips at some point. Yeah.Ben:Yeah, I'm excited that you're there, because I'm definitely going to hit you up on the SAML stuff, because SAML's a pain in the tuchus yeah, I'm sure you'll have some insights from your time there.Mike:Well, that was how I was even open-minded to talking to Okta, was the recruiter had contacted me and I think actually it was the recruiter... I don't know the structure of how this works, but a lot of companies have a prospecting recruiter. And I think that a veteran oriented prospecting recruiter contacted me. And so being a veteran, I'll usually entertain those cold calls. And so then when I was at Desk, I wrote... So Desk was a big Rails monolith. I wrote a microservice to break some of the SSO off of the monolith itself. And in writing the API documentation that was on desk.com, I actually used Okta as one of the examples as a SSO identity provider using SAML. So yeah, I have had a little bit of experience from the outside of Okta with SAML. And so maybe I'll have more experience here to answer your questions.Ben:Yeah. We'll have to have you back and we can just do a whole hour on that. It's a fun world.Josh:After we do an hour on SDKs.Ben:Yeah, and your code that you wrote for us still lives on in Honeybadger.Josh:Yeah. Was it the webpack? That was some of the work, right?Ben:Some of it, yeah.Mike:Yep.Josh:Yeah.Ben:And some GitHub integration work.Josh:And the integrations, yeah.Mike:Yeah, well if I remember correctly with the GitHub integration, I did do some GitHub integration, and it tickled your enthusiasm, Ben, and then I think you went in and like refactored that a little bit.Ben:Well, if you have a monolith like Redo that's been around for as long as ours has, things don't... It's like, what was that Theseus' ship, it's goes around the world but you replace things as it goes, and it's never the same app, right?Mike:Yeah, that's the thing, we had discussed this in the prelude around just software engineering in general and how hard it is to maintain a monolith, especially as a company grows and as developers come rolling into a project, you get all of these... Over time you get engineers with different goals, different techniques, different styles of touching your code base, to the point that it becomes very hard to maintain a project. And I think, I don't know if we're going to talk about Heroku at all, but I think that Heroku suffers from a little bit of that, where there's very few original Heroku that are involved in the runtime at least. And I just came from being on the runtime in the control plane. And, definitely, the code base there is... There's maybe one or two people that are still around that have touched that code base from the beginning.Ben:Yeah, let's dive into that, because that's fascinating to me. I know that there's been chatter on Twitter recently that people feel that Heroku is stagnated. That they haven't really brought a lot of innovative stuff to market recently. I remember, actually a funny story, I'm going to tell it myself. I can't remember what year this was, it were way... I don't know, I don't know, early 2000s. I was sitting as part of a focus group, and I can't reveal a lot of information because secrecy and stuff. But anyway, I was part of this focus group and I was asked as part of this group, what as a developer working on Ruby applications and Rails applications, what I thought about this new thing called Heroku. And had it explained to me, "Oh, you just get push", and "Blah, blah, blah", and I poo-pooed the idea. I was like, "Nah, I'm not interested", because I already know how to deploy stuff. I've got Mongrel, I got a DVS.Josh:Say Mongrel.Ben:I know how to use SEP, why do I need this? Like Math, never going to catch on. And so don't follow me for investing advice.Mike:Yeah, totally.Josh:I got my Linodes.Mike:Yeah. Or even back then, I wrote all of my own chef, so I got my own recipes I can-Ben:Right, exactly.Mike:... bare metal at will.Ben:Exactly. So, what do you think, you've been at Heroku, you've seen this process of people having to maintain this code base over a long period of time. What are some tips for people who might be a little earlier on the process? Looking down the road, what do you suggest people think about for having a more maintainable application?Mike:That's interesting. I really think that there is not one size fits all, and actually some of the things that are specific to Heroku, and actually to desk.com when I was there previously, that some of the issues actually stem from Salesforce culture and the way that Salesforce manages its businesses. And so, I guess the thing that I've always liked about Rails, specifically, is that the conventions that are used in Rails, you can drop an experienced Rails developer pretty much into any Rails app and they're going to know the basic conventions. And that saves you so much time to ramping up and bringing your experience into a project. Whereas when you get into bespoke software, then you run into well what were the architectural design patterns 10 years ago compared to now? How much drift has there been in libraries and the language, depending.Mike:And so that is... I don't... That's a very hard question to nail down in a specific way. I would just say in spit balling this, conventions are very important, I would say. So as long as you have a conventions using a framework, then I think that you'll get to go a long ways. However, if you start to use a framework, then you get the everything is a nail and I'm going to use my hammer framework on that. Which is its own thing that I've seen in Ruby, where if you start a project with Rails, I don't think everybody realizes this, but you are essentially going to be doing a type of software development that is in the mindset of Basecamp, right? And if you have an app that is not quite like Basecamp, and then you start to try to extending Rails to do something different, then you're going to start running into issues. And I think that... It makes me sad when I hear people talk poorly about Rails, because oftentimes people are just pushing it into a direction that it's not built to do. Whether they're, like in the old days, like monkey-patching libraries, or whatnot.Ben:Yeah, I think we saw that with the rise of Elixir and Phoenix, right? José just got frustrated with wanting to do some real time stuff. And that really wasn't the wheelhouse for Rails, right? And so he went and built Elixir and Phoenix, and built on top of that. And that became a better hammer for that particular nail than Rails, right? So now if you come into a new project and you're like, "Well, I'm going to do a lot of highly concurrent stuff", well, okay, maybe Rails isn't the best solution. Maybe you should go look at Elixir and Phoenix instead.Mike:Yeah. Yeah. So, with Heroku, I just want to say that it was so awesome to work at Heroku, and the day that I got a job offer to work there, it was like... I still, if I'm having a bad day, I still think about that, and the... I've never used hard drugs, but I would think that somebody that was cocaine high, that's probably what I was feeling when I got the offer from Heroku. I started using Heroku in 2009, and it has a story within our community, it's highly respected. And so I just want to say that I still think very highly of Heroku, and if I was to be doing just a throwaway project, and I just want to write some code and do git push main, or git push Heroku main, then I would definitely do that.Mike:And we were... And I'm not very experienced with the other kinds of competitors right now. I think, like you pointed him out, is it Vercel and Render?Ben:Render. Mm-hmm (affirmative).Mike:Yeah. So I can't really speak to them. I can really just speak to Heroku and some of the very specific things that go on there. I think one of the issues that Heroku suffers from is not the technology itself, but just the Salesforce environment. Because at Salesforce, everything eventually has to be blue, right? And so, Heroku, I don't think they ever could really figure out the right thing to do with Heroku. As well as, the other thing about enterprise software is that if I'm selling Salesforce service cloud or whatever, I'm selling, essentially, I'm selling seats of software licenses. And there's no big margin in selling Compute, because if I'm buying Compute, I expect to be using that.Mike:And so, as a salesperson, I'm not incented to sell Heroku that much because there's just not margins for me in the incentive structure that they have at sales within Salesforce. So I think that's the biggest thing that Heroku has going against it, is that it's living in a Salesforce environment. And as, I guess, a owner of Salesforce being that I have Salesforce stock, I would hope that they would maximize their profits and actually sell Heroku. Who knows, maybe a bunch of developers get together and actually buy the brand and spin that off. That would be the best thing, because I think that Salesforce would probably realize a lot more value out of Heroku just by doing that, even if there's some sort of profit sharing, and then not have to deal with all the other things.Ben:Yeah, that's really interesting. Yeah. The thing about billing, and then selling per user, versus the compute- That's definitely a different world. It's a totally different mindset. And I think Josh that we have now been given a directive step. We should acquire Heroku as part of Honeybadger.Josh:I was going to say, maybe we can acquire it with all of our Doge profits in five or 10 years from now.Mike:Well, yeah. Somebody spin a Heroku coin, a ERC20 token on Ethereum and get everybody to dump their Ethereum into this token.Josh:Mm-hmm (affirmative).Mike:Get that pot of money together. And then that is the Heroku Foundation. Yeah, exactly.Josh:Okay, yeah.Mike:The Heroku Foundation that buys the Heroku brand. I know that we're laughing about it, but actually this is what is possible today. And, I was telling Ben... Well, let me just say a couple of things about the FounderQuest and how it relates to me, is I've been listening to FounderQuest from the first episode, and I'm an only child, and I like to listen to podcasts. So I'll be on my afternoon walk, and I'll be hearing you guys talk, and I'm having this conversation along with you guys listening to the podcasts.Mike:And so, I think, in January, you guys were talking about, or maybe Ben was talking about, $30,000 Bitcoin, and you guys just had your yucks and laughs about it. And it actually made me think critically about this, because I've been involved with Bitcoin since about 2012, and it's like, "Do I have a tinfoil hat on?" Or what do I think? And so, I'm not joking about this, listening to you guys actually has helped me concretely come up with how I feel about this. And first off, I think, I'm bullish on technology. And this is the first epiphany that I had, is all of us have had a career close to Linux, close to Ruby, building backend services, close to virtualization and orchestration. Fortunately, that's been my interest, and fortunately that's been where our industry has gone. And so, when Bitcoin came out, as technologists, all you ever hear, if you don't know anything about Bitcoin, you just hear currency. And you're thinking internet money, you're not thinking about this as a technologist.Mike:And so that was the thing. I wish that Bitcoin had been talked about as a platform, or a framework.Josh:Mm-hmm (affirmative).Mike:And not even called it coin. Because that confuses the issue-Josh:The whole coin thing, just... Yeah.Mike:Yeah, totally. And mining the metaphors-Josh:That alone.Mike:... just totally throws everything off. Because we are talking, we're laughing about it, but this is really possible today. We could come up with a Foundation to buy Heroku with a cryptocurrency, and it would... Yeah. So that's one thing that Ben helped me realize in my thinking around Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies. And I think I'm just bullish on technology. And so to me, again, across our career, there's been so much change. And why would we look at Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies any differently than any other kind of technology? Even a hundred dollar bill with all the holograms on it, that is a kind of financial technology. And so we're just talking about a digital technology, we're not talking about coins I guess.Josh:That's the appeal, a lot of the Altcoins, right? They give everyone a way to invest in those companies, whereas before you would have to... Whatever, be an accredited investor or something to be able to get involved. Is that part of the appeal? I'm probably showing what I know about crypto, which is very little, but I'm excited to... Yeah, maybe you can...Mike:Yeah. Yeah, so I feel like these projects are... I'm not a VC, and I'm not an insider, but from what I can see from afar, in Silicon Valley there's a close group of people that have access to all of these ideas. And there's Angel clubs, and VC clubs, and whatnot, that are funding these startups. And to me, I feel like these crypto projects are the same kind of thing, except for they're just available to the public. And so, I think if I was speaking to another technologist that was interested in cryptocurrencies, is you probably need to get your hands on some of the technology in order to get experience with it.Mike:And so if that means you figure out how to maybe mine some coin on your laptop, or whatever, or you actually pay for it, you should at least have some in your possession, and at least learn about the custodial part of it. Also, there's different software libraries now to actually do programming against it, and platforms, I believe. So that'd be another way to at least tickle your curiosity, is by actually touching the technology and not thinking about the value. So yeah.Ben:Yeah. That, to me, that's one of the most interesting things about the whole coin thing. My younger son is really interested in the crypto space, in the coin and in the other parts of a distributed ledger, and what does that mean, and how does that work? And before I heard about NFTs, he was talking about NFTs. And so it's really interesting to me to see this coming from him. Just yesterday, we had a conversation about CRDTs, right? Because we're talking about how do you merge transactions that are happening in distributed fashion? Right? I was like, "Oh yeah", and it's so weird to have my teenage sons' world colliding with my world in this way.Josh:Yeah.Ben:But it's a lot of fun. And I've got to say, Mike, I got to give you back some credit, talking about the whole coin thing. As you've heard, we're pretty coin skeptical here at Honeybadger, the Founders, but you made a comment in our pre-show conversation. And maybe you didn't make this explicitly, but maybe it's just a way that I heard it. But I think... Well what I heard was, and maybe you actually said this, was basically think about this like an index fund, right? You put dollar cost to averaging, right? You put some money into coin, you put a little bit, it's not going to be your whole portfolio, right? But you don't treat it like a gamble, and you just treat it like an investment, like you would other things that may appreciate in value. And of course you may not.Ben:And so, as a result, I decided, "Okay, I can do that. I can put a little bit of my portfolio into coins". So just this week, and this is the funny part, just this week-Josh:I'm just finding this out now, by the way.Ben:Yeah, yeah. Josh is like... I told my wife about this last night and she was like, "What's Josh going to say?" "Like, I don't know". So anyway, just this week I put a little bit of money into Bitcoin and Ethereum. And that was... When did Elon do his thing about Bitcoin? Was that Thursday morning?Josh:Oh yeah.Ben:I bought, two hours before Elon did his thing, and Bitcoin lost 15% of its value.Mike:That's awesome.Ben:I'm like, "It's okay. It's okay, I'm just putting-Josh:Yeah, you don't sell, it doesn't matter.Mike:What was your emotion? What was your emotion?Ben:Yeah, totally. Yeah. In fact, my first buy, I used Coinbase. And Coinbase was like, "Oh, do you want to do this periodically?" I'm like, "Yes, I do. Every month". Boom.Mike:Oh.Ben:I went ahead and set that up like so, yeah.Mike:Oh, I did not know you could do that.Ben:I'm in it to win it, man.Mike:You should get a hardware wallet. That's the next thing, is you need to learn how to handle your own custody, so-Josh:Right, yeah. You got to... Yeah.Mike:Not leave it on the exchange. Interesting.Josh:Get those hard drives.Mike:Yeah.Josh:Yeah. Ben's a veteran indexer though. So you can handle some dips. Some volatility.Ben:Yeah. Yeah.Josh:I actually, I did make some money off of Bitcoin back in the day, and probably if I would've just held onto it, I would've made a lot more, of course.Mike:Same.Josh:So I accidentally... Back, I don't know when this was, it was maybe five years ago or something, when Bitcoin was going through one of its first early hype cycles, and I was like, "I'll check it". I was learning about it, of course. And so I went and bought some and I think I ran a blockchain Elixir app that someone made, to see how the transactions work and stuff. Read some books on Bitcoin. But I bought some Bitcoin, I can't remember how much, but just left it. I think this was after Coinbase had launched, I'm pretty sure I bought it through Coinbase. But yeah, I just left it, and then that was when it was in the first huge push of Bitcoin where it went up to 20,000 or something. And I remembered that I had it, and I went and looked and oh yeah, I made five grand or something. I put hardly anything into it initially. So I forget what I actually bought with that money. I just sold it and it's like cool, free money.Mike:So you just sold it this year? Or you sold it...Josh:No, I sold it back-Mike:In 17?Josh:I think I sold it at 20... Yeah, this would have been at 17 that I actually sold it, probably.Mike:Did you report it on your taxes, your capital gains?Josh:I did, yes. Yeah, I did.Ben:That's the benefit of having an accountant, because your accountant reminds you, "You know what? You did have some Bitcoin transactions, you should probably look at those".Josh:Can I say on here that I actually put some of it through a Bitcoin tumbler though, just to see how those work?Mike:Yeah, I mean...Josh:And that was a very small amount of money, but I didn't actually report that on my taxes. Because I think I actually forgot where it was or something.Ben:You'll have to explain what a Bitcoin tumbler is.Josh:So a Bitcoin tumbler... Well, I'll try, and then maybe Mike might explain it better, but a Bitcoin tumbler is basically how you anonymize your Bitcoin transaction. If you have some Bitcoin and you want to buy some drugs on the dark web or something, you go and you send your Bitcoin to this tumbler, and then it distributes it to a bunch of random Bitcoin addresses that it gives you. And then you have those addresses, and they're anonymized, because they've been sent through a bunch of peoples' wallets, or something like that.Mike:Yep. That's basically it.Ben:So it's basically money laundering.Josh:Yeah, it's laundering.Mike:Yeah. But if your privacy... I mean, okay-Josh:Yeah, no, I get it. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Because part of the appeal of Bitcoin is some people are just like, "Oh yeah, good money, credit card transactions are so... The governments are recording them and stuff, the NSA probably has a database of them". So Bitcoin is anonymous, but it's not. It's not anonymous. And yeah. So that's why people do this, right?Mike:Yeah. Well that, to me, that's if you want to... So the value of Bitcoin, if you want to get bullish on the value of Bitcoin, the traditional outlook is yeah, the silk road was going on and there's all this illegal stuff going on. Therefore it must be bad. But actually, to me, that's the thing, you know it's good if there's illicit stuff going on, because what's the number one currency that's used right now for illicit transactions? It's dirty US dollar bills. And if you're a drug dealer in central South America, you are collecting, dollar bills United States. You're paying some sort of transport probably at 10, 15% cost to get those dollars back to wherever you're going to hold them. And so, if you're using Bitcoin, you're probably not going to pay that fee. So, to me, it's like okay, that actually proves, at least in my mind, that there is value. That it's being used, right?Josh:Yeah. And you also, you don't want to see... Some people are fanatics about cash going away, even just because as more people move to digital transactions, whether it's just through, whatever, traditional networks, or through crypto. People are using less and less cash. And I feel like, whatever... Like Richard Stallman, he pays for everything in cash though, because he thinks that cash is going to go away someday. And that's a problem for privacy, because you do want a way to pay for things in private in some cases.Mike:Yep. I agree.Josh:Yeah.Ben:My only real beef with Bitcoin, well, aside from the whole requiring power plants just to do a transaction, is that there is Badger coin. This company that is named Honeybadger, it's all about Bitcoin. And they have these ATM's in Canada, and we constantly get support requests from people.Mike:Oh really?Josh:Is this the reason that we've been so down on cryptocurrencies in the past?Ben:I think so.Josh:Because ever since the beginning, since people started making coins, Badger coin came out and then it's been our primary exposure to be honest.Ben:It has been, yeah.Josh:Throughout the past... I don't know how many years it's been. Has it been six-Ben:Yeah, six-Josh:... to eight years?Ben:Yeah, something like that. It's been nuts.Josh:I'd say.Mike:You should send them an invoice, and they actually-Ben:Yeah, so what happens is they had these kiosks where you can buy Bitcoin, right? You put your real money in, and you get your fake money out, right? And the name on the top of the kiosk is Honeybadger. So, someone puts in some money, real money, and they don't get their fake money, then all of a sudden they're upset, right?Mike:Yeah.Ben:And so they... For whatever reason, it doesn't go through, right, I don't know how this works, I've never bought Bitcoin at a kiosk. But so, they're like, "Okay, Honeybadger". And so they Google Honeybadger, and the first result for Honeybadger is us. And so they're like, "Oh, here's a phone number I can call". And they call us. And they're like, "Where's my Bitcoin?" That's like, "Uh, I really can't help you with that".Josh:They do.Ben:"You stole my Bitcoin". It's like, "No, that's not us".Josh:Something just occurred to me. I wonder how many of them are just confused over the fact that Bitcoin transactions can take a while to arrive now, right? It's not always instantaneous, where it used to be a lot faster, but now I know that it can take a while to clear. So I wonder how many of those people are emailing us in the span... Maybe that's why they eventually always go away and we don't hear from them again. Maybe it's not that they're getting help, but it's just that their Bitcoins are arriving. Yeah. I have a feeling that there's some sort of... I'm guessing these are mostly regular normies using, and interacting with this very highly technical product and experience, and even if you're walking up to a kiosk, but there's still a highly technical aspect of it that, like you said Mike, people are thinking coin, they're thinking... The way this maps to their brain is it's like dollar bills. So they're looking at it like an ATM. Yep.Mike:Yeah. When it comes to cryptocurrency and the technology, I don't want to have to think about custody, or any of that other kinds of stuff. It'll be successful when it just is happening, I'm not thinking about it. They're already... In some... I don't know all of the different mobile devices, but I do carry out an iPhone. And so, the wallet on iPhone is pretty seamless now, right? And so I'm not thinking about how that technology is working. I had to associate an Amex with it originally, right? But once I've done that, then all I do is click my button to pay. And there you go. And so I do think that the cryptocurrency technology has a long way to go towards that, because if normal people, the non nerds, have to think about it, then it's not going to be useful. Because in the end-Josh:Yeah.Mike:... humans use tools, right? And so, whatever the tool is, they're going to use it especially if it's easy and it makes their life easier.Ben:So what I really want to know, Mike, is what are your feelings about Dogecoin? Are you bullish on Doge?Mike:Well, I'll answer that, but I wanted to come back to the bit about the NFT, and just talking about the possibilities with technology. And I think that you guys could profit from this.Ben:I like where it's going.Mike:You'll have to do some more research. But I think what you could do... See, I love the origin story of Honeybadger. And maybe not everybody knows about the Honeybadger meme from what is... When was this, two thousand...Ben:2012? 2011?Mike:Yeah, okay. So not everybody... Yeah, bot everybody knows about the meme. I guess, just go Google-Ben:I can link it in the show notes.Josh:It's long dead. This meme is long dead.Mike:Is it? Well it's still awesome. I still love it.Josh:It is.Mike:So, there's so many facets of this that I love. The first one is that... Can I name names on competitors-Ben:Of course.Mike:... in the origins? Okay. So the first one was is that Airbrake, an exception reporting service, was doing a poor job with their customer service. And you guys were like, "We're working on this project, we need exception reporting. It's not working". It's like, "Well, can we just take their library, and build our own backend?" Right? And to me, that is beautiful. And in thinking about this episode, in Heroku, the same opportunity lies for an aspiring developer out there where you could just take the Heroku CLI and point it at your own false backend until you figure out all of the API calls that happen. And I don't know, you have that backed by Kubernetes, or whatever orchestration framework is...Mike:There is the possibility that you could do the same Honeybadger story with Airbrake SDK, as there is with the Heroku CLI. So that's the first thing I love about the Honeybadger story, and the fact the name goes along with the fact that Airbrake had poor customer support, and you guys just were like, "F it, we're going to build our own exception reporting service". Now, in the modern context with NFTs is... I have old man experience with the NFTs in that GIFs, or GIFs, and JPEGs, this is BS that people are gouging for profit. However, the technology of the NFT... This is the thing that I think is beautiful, is that... And I'm not sure which of the NFTs does this, but there is the possibility that you could be the originator of a digital object, and then you sell that digital object. And then as that digital object is traded, then you, as the, I guess, the original creator, you can get a percentage of the sales for the lifetime of that digital asset.Ben:Yeah.Mike:And, I'm not sure which of the NFTs allows that, but that is one of the things, that's one of the value propositions in NFT. So what I was thinking is if you guys did an NFT on the shaw of the original Honeybadger Ruby SDK check-in, that this could be the thing that you guys have an experiment with, is you have real skin in the game, you're playing with the technology and see if that works. And, let me know if you do that, because I might try to buy it. So, we'll see.Josh:Well, we've already got a buyer, why wouldn't we?Mike:Yeah, so..Ben:Indeed, yeah.Josh:See I was thinking maybe you could own various errors or something in Honeybadger.Mike:Yeah, I mean... Whatever digital signature you want to... Whatever you want to sign, and then assign value to.Josh:Yeah, we could NFT our Exceptional Creatures.Mike:Yeah.Josh:Have you seen that, Mike? Have you seen that project?Mike:Yep, yep.Josh:Okay.Mike:I'm well aware of that. Yep.Ben:Yeah. I'm thinking what about open source maintainers, right? Let's say you have this project and someone really wants a particular feature, right? Or they're really happy about a particular feature that you've already done, right? You can sell them that shaw, that commit, that put it into name, right?Mike:Yeah, totally.Ben:You are the proud owner of this feature. Thank you.Mike:Yeah, totally. Yeah, I was hoping that I would come with some ideas. I hope someday in the future that I run into somebody and it's like, "Oh, we heard that podcasts were where ideas were free ideas that were worth a lot of money were thrown about. And I did this project, and now I'm retired. Thank you, Mike". Honeybadgers.Josh:Wait, so Ben are you saying that, so as a committer, so say I commit something to Rails, submit a PR, so then I own that PR once it's merged and it would be like I could sell that then to someone? Is that along the lines of what you're saying?Ben:No, I'm thinking the owner of the project. So, if you commit something to Rails, and you're really excited about it, and you for some reason want to have a trophy of that commit-Josh:Right.Ben:... on a plaque on the wall, right? Then the Rails core group could sell you that token.Josh:Okay. Gotcha.Ben:That trophy, that certificate, like, "Yep. This is your thing. Commissioned by..." It's like naming a star, right?Josh:Yeah.Ben:You buy the rights to a star, and it's fake stuff, right? We're naming stars. But that's the same idea.Josh:Yeah. So you could use that same idea to incentivize open-source contribution. So if you make the PR to Rails and it gets merged, you get this NFT for the PR merge, which you could then actually profit for if it was... Say it was, I don't know, turbo links or something, whatever. Years later, when it's a huge thing and everyone in Rails is using it, maybe Mike's going to come along and be like, "Hey, I'll buy... I want to own the PR for turbo links".Ben:Right.Josh:Yeah. And of course then, you, as the owner, would also profit from any sale between parties later on too. You'd get that little percentage.Mike:Yeah. Well, so when somebody comes up with committer coin, just remember me, I want to airdrop of some committer coin.Josh:We have a name. We've got a name for it. Commit coin.Ben:I've got a new weekend project ahead of me.Mike:Yeah.Josh:Cool. Well, that helps me understand NFTs.Ben:Yeah, I really like the idea of being able to sell ownership rights to a digital asset. That I think a good idea. I don't know that the current implementation that we see on the news is a great implementation of that idea. Buying the rights for a copy of a JPEG, it feels kind of sketchy to me. But maybe there's some sort of, I don't know, PDF document that has some sort of value for some reason. And you can give that, sell that to someone. And to me, it's not so much about the profit, or the transaction, it's the ownership. You can say I am the owner of this thing. Yeah, there can be copies all over the place, but I'm the person that has the ownership, quote unquote, of this thing.Josh:Yeah, yeah. But then you've got to define value Ben. What is value? Okay, so, what makes a PDF more valuable than a JPEG?Mike:Yeah. Yeah. Bring this back to Dogecoin, and value propositions, and whatnot. What is valuable? When you're talking about the value of a JPEG, this reminded me of a conversation I was having with my son. He's 10 years old and he wanted some money to buy, I don't know what it was, and old man voice came out of me and it's like, "That's BS. I don't think that's valuable". And he looked at me and he was like, "It's valuable to me". And it's like, "Oh, you just put a dagger in my heart. I'm killing your dream". And one person's value may not be another person's value. So, on the Dogecoin, that's interesting. Dogecoin is very interesting to me, because I feel like I'm in a quantum state with a Dogecoin where it is a joke, but at the same time it apparently it has value.Mike:And I don't know where I stand on that threshold. I know how to trade Dogecoin. And I know the behavior of Dogecoin, and the behaviors, from a trading standpoint, has changed substantially in the last six months. Before it was a pump and dump kind of thing. Well, actually, you know what? When Dogecoin was first created, its purpose was highlighted by the community. People in podcast land don't realize this, but I'm wearing a 2017 Dogecoin shirt from when the Dogecoin community sponsored the number 98 NASCAR. And the thing of the community was like, "Oh, we have all this money, and we're just being altruistic and we're giving it away". And so they were exercising their belief with this currency, right?Mike:And from then, till now, there was a bit of a cycle to Dogecoin where you could, if you acquired Dogecoin for say under a hundred Satoshis, this is the Dogecoin BTC pair, that was actually a good buy. Just wait for the next pump when somebody does something, and Dogecoin goes over 200, or 300 Satoshis, and then you dump it. And that's basically what I did on this in the last six months. I had a small bag of Dogecoin waiting for the next pump and dump. And I actually did that, but it kept on getting pumped, and then it would stabilize. And then now we're at the point where apparently Elon Musk and Mark Cuban are saying that there's value to it.Mike:And to me, I actually put a lot of credence to that, because these are two public persons that they cannot... If they're pumping things in the public domain, then they have risk, right? And so you can't be those two people, and be pumping, and not run the risk of the FTC of the United States government coming in and saying, "Hey, why were you doing this?" So there's the, I guess for me, a small bit of a guarantee that maybe there is something to Dogecoin.Josh:Yeah. See, the way I think, when you first started you were saying it is a joke, but you're in this dual state, and my initial or immediate thought was it is a joke, but this is the internet, and the internet loves to make silly things real.Mike:Yeah, yeah.Josh:Especially these days.Ben:Yeah. It's pretty funny for all those people that made a bunch of money on GameStop, right? Yeah.Mike:Yeah. Well that's the thing, is in Dogecoin, Doge is, of itself, from a meme from the same time period as Honeybadger, right? The Iba Shinu doggie, right? So, the other thing I don't understand, or the thing that I understand but I don't know how to quantify it for myself, is that, to me... So there's no pre-mine on Dogecoin. There's no one person that owns a lot of Dogecoin from the beginning. Whereas if we're talking about Ethereum, Vitalik Buterin, the founder, or one of the founders of Ethereum, they pre-mined Ethereum, and there's a ton of Ethereum that's owned by the founders. Whereas you compare that to, say, Litecoin, Charlie Lee cloned Bitcoin and created Litecoin. He sold all of his Litecoin. I believed in him when he said he's sold it all. He's a software engineer, just like us. He was Director of Engineering at Coinbase.Mike:He doesn't seem like he's wearing tinfoil hat out there, doing conspiracies. So when he says that he sold his coin in 2017, all of his Litecoin, I totally believe that. Yet today, he is the chairperson of the Litecoin foundation. And so, to me... I actually do have, I placed some value in the benevolence of Litecoin and Dogecoin, because there's not any one person that actually controls it. I guess Charlie Lee, he probably has a stronger voice than most. But he doesn't control the levers.Josh:Not financially.Mike:Yeah.Josh:Yeah.Mike:Yeah. And so then with Dogecoin... So Dogecoin, it'll be awesome if it gets above a dollar, but the structure of Dogecoin will be such as they cannot maintain that.Josh:Right.Mike:Because it's an inflation-Josh:There's no cap, right?Mike:Right.Josh:Yeah.Mike:It's inflation. And so, I don't know the number, I think it's a million Dogecoin are minted every day. So, 10 years from now, if Dogecoin is worth a dollar still, then that means Bitcoin will be worth a lot more than that. So I guess that'd be awesome if Dogecoin stays a dollar. However, the point I'm trying to make is actually there is value in having an inflationary currency, especially if we're talking about living in the structure of our current financial... The way that our current financial markets work, where there is an inflation.Mike:And so if I want to be transacting with a digital currency, I don't want to have to be, say, like having an Argentina kind of moment where my one Dogecoin is worth $5 American today, and then maybe only $3 American a week from now. So to me, I think there is value in Dogecoin in that it's inflationary, and that it will not be as susceptible to speculation bubbles as other currencies. And so, I don't know if that answers your questions on the value of Dogecoin, but those are a couple of reasons why I think that Dogecoin is valuable. Now, am I going to be holding a big bag of Dogecoin in 2022? Probably not. Just to be honest.Ben:We're all about honesty at Honeybadger. I love the episodes where we have to have a disclaimer, this is not financial advice. Please consult competent professionals before investing, et cetera, et cetera. Mike, it has been a delight to have you with us. We appreciate your counterbalance to our coin pessimism that we have amongst the Honeybadger fan base.Josh:Yeah, I think we needed this.Ben:Yeah.Josh:We really needed this.Ben:We really did.Josh:So thank you.Ben:It's been good.Mike:Yeah. Oh, I got one more idea out there. Hopefully, somebody can run with this, is I've been trying to get motivated to do some experimentation with the Bitcoin lightning network. We didn't really talk about these a layer two solutions for scaling, but I think that there is a lot of potential in coming up with an interesting project that lays within the Litecoin* network, it has its value in and of itself, but there's a secondary value of being a note on the Litecoin* network where if there's transactions going through your node, let's say, I don't know how you'd instrument this, but let's say that Honeybadger actually was... That you guys were taking your payments across your own lightning node, then all of the transactions that are going across the lightning network, you're getting a small fee, right? So I think that there's the possibility of a micropayments kind of play there, like for instance, paying by the exception. I mean, literally-*Editor's note from Mike - "in my excitement talking about the Lighting Network I slipped and said Litecoin a couple of times between Lightning Network. Lightning Network is a layer 2 protocol that is primarily intended for scaling Bitcoin and that was what I meant. However, Lightning can be implemented to run on top of Litecoin and Ethereum."Josh:That has come up that has come up in the past, I think at one point.Mike:You can't do micro payments on a credit card.Josh:Yeah.Mike:Right? But you can do micropayments on lightening network. And I'm not selling you guys on this, but I'm saying that there's going to be some nerd out there that it's like, "Oh my God micropayments are here, I can do micropayments on lighting network". And then they're going to do well on that product, but then they're also going to do well on the commission that they're earning on payments going through their node.Josh:This could be used for usage base software as a service billing model.Ben:Totally. And then you get the skim off the top, just like a good affiliate does.Mike:Yes.Ben:I love it.Mike:Yes.Ben:I love it. All right. All right, Mike, we're going to have to do some scheming together. Well, any final words, any parting words besides go by all the Dogecoin that you can?Mike:Yeah. Don't put all your money into the cryptocurrencies. Yeah.Josh:Seems like good advice.Ben:Be smart

Wraggy, Ben & Mike dissect the win against Sheffield United, Preview the Earling Haaland Derby with your other usual features. Follow on Twitter:[https://twitter.com/talkingshutt](https://twitter.com/talkingshutt)[https://twitter.com/propersport](https://twitter.com/propersport)Instagram:[https://www.instagram.com/talkingshutt](https://www.instagram.com/talkingshutt)Website:[http://www.propersport.uk](http://www.propersport.uk/)SponsorsThe Social Maze - [https://thesocialmaze.co.uk](https://thesocialmaze.co.uk/)The Terrace - [https://theterracestore.com](https://theterracestore.com/)The Athletic - [www.theathletic.com/talkingshutt](http://www.theathletic.com/talkingshutt)We are kicking off the new season with a limited time offer from The Athletic.- Join the Athletic for just £1/month!!- New subscribers can now access all of The Athletic, for just a quid. That’s just £1 a month for every sports story that matters: breaking news, expert commentary and in-depth stories on every team you care about and every league you follow. All in a personalized, ad-free environment. Don’t miss The Athletic’s comprehensive coverage of one of the biggest months in sports history: NBA Playoffs, NFL & Premier League season starts, Stanley Cup Playoffs, MLB Postseason & more.- Fantastic Leeds United coverage from Phil Hay.- Go to [theathletic.co.uk/talkingshutt](http://theathletic.co.uk/talkingshutt) to redeem this limited time offer.#LUFC#leedsfans#ALAW#MOT#bielsa#leedsunited#superleeds#ellandroad#bestchants#championship#eflchampionship#LS11]#LeedsFanTV#Fans#React

Gary, Wraggy, Ben & Mike to get through the 2nd week of the international break and preview the yorkshire derby vs paul heckingbottoms sheffield unitedFollow on Twitter:[https://twitter.com/talkingshutt](https://twitter.com/talkingshutt)[https://twitter.com/propersport](https://twitter.com/propersport)Instagram:[https://www.instagram.com/talkingshutt](https://www.instagram.com/talkingshutt)Website:[http://www.propersport.uk](http://www.propersport.uk/)SponsorsThe Social Maze - [https://thesocialmaze.co.uk](https://thesocialmaze.co.uk/)The Terrace - [https://theterracestore.com](https://theterracestore.com/)The Athletic - [www.theathletic.com/talkingshutt](http://www.theathletic.com/talkingshutt)We are kicking off the new season with a limited time offer from The Athletic.- Join the Athletic for just £1/month!!- New subscribers can now access all of The Athletic, for just a quid. That’s just £1 a month for every sports story that matters: breaking news, expert commentary and in-depth stories on every team you care about and every league you follow. All in a personalized, ad-free environment. Don’t miss The Athletic’s comprehensive coverage of one of the biggest months in sports history: NBA Playoffs, NFL & Premier League season starts, Stanley Cup Playoffs, MLB Postseason & more.- Fantastic Leeds United coverage from Phil Hay.- Go to [theathletic.co.uk/talkingshutt](http://theathletic.co.uk/talkingshutt) to redeem this limited time offer.#LUFC#leedsfans#ALAW#MOT#bielsa#leedsunited#superleeds#ellandroad#bestchants#championship#eflchampionship#LS11]#LeedsFanTV#Fans#React

Former Steelers and Jets OL -- and current Barstool Sports analyst -- Willie Colon joins Trey for this week's episode of Half-Forgotten History. Willie is one of the few NFL players to start out in New York City, and speaking of New York, Trey shares a few epic stories about Willie's idol, Lawrence Taylor. Then, Willie and Trey talk about the next stage of Ben Roethlisberger's career, and how he seems to be enjoying life with the new, less dramatic Steelers. Plus, some memories about what it's like to win a Super Bowl in Pittsburgh, and why losing a Super Bowl is the absolute worst. Plus, Willie talks about why he thinks Mike Tomlin is vastly underrated, mainly because he is "in the business of winning," no matter what personalities have come and gone in the locker room, and explains what it's like to hear a pre-game speech from the man himself. Speaking of personalities, he talks about the change in Antonio Brown in recent years.

Ben & Bree are joined by Mike Da Goat to recap probably the worst hall brawl ever. Ben & Mike talk shoes and many more things. Very chill episode to say the least. Hope everyone has a great week.

Three friends from very different corners of the world discussing life.  In this first pilot Mike and Ben talk about "Perspective", what it means to us and how it can be helpful in life. Valentino will join in for the next episodes.

Zach found himself in Novi, talking to the four brewers at Ascension Brewing Company about what it's like to not have a head brewer, how they've progressed throughout the pandemic, what drives their popular canning line and what lies ahead for Ascension. Follow Zach on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok and Facebook for more!

Ben Mike plays professional cricket for Leicestershire County Cricket Club in England. Ben is a good mate of mine and on the episode we discuss: - How he wasn't always the most talented growing up - Lessons learnt from playing with international cricketers - Training with a purpose - Batting and Bowling Mindset and Routines  - Fitness and Recovery Instagram @benmikee 

Please welcome Cameron Heyward, of the top defensive tackles in the NFL, to the Lefkoe Show! Just a veteran who knows the game as well as anyone on that side of the ball, sharing stories about the intriguing teammates and men around him during his NFL journey, from Big Ben's resurgence this year to just how good Minkah Fitzpatrick really is. Whew, it just feels good to talk football again! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Don't worry everyone, we're still doing "Ben & Mike" episodes. We reflect on our last few guests, rip each other a bit more & chat about future projects. Stay tuned for more. We love you all.

EPISODE 0️⃣1️⃣6️⃣ - Benjamin has COVID-19; Life in Lockdown; Financing deodorant; Timothy's Escort from Hinge; and so so much more. Remember to like, share, subscribe, comment. Also use the hashtag #NewCallerID to engage with the conversation on Twitter! #podcast Timothy (99), Ben (Mike) and Fola (Free Hudson-Odoi) present to you the “New Caller ID” podcast. If you pick up the phone expect to hear serious conversations, laughter, musical guests and Sandro. Call incoming. Signed T, B, F. Socials: Twitter @newcallerid Instagram @newcallerid @timothy.xcix @flattopfola

VHQuest hits Season 2! We are stoked for what the new year has in store for us. This month, Mike and Ben share their summer finds and catch up after the long break. We dive into some odd tapes and how to find them, and bring it back to the christian tapes at your grandparents house. For some of us, a new season means finding a new place to live, and we all have felt the pain of moving all those boxes from under your bed. We recap on some of the latest VHS news, including an oddly costumed human putting odd objects on suburban doorsteps. Pop in that second tape because Season 2 starts now.

Kelvin's Stories and Escapades; When Girls Come to Each Other as wOmEN; Regulating your Friends; Lame Guys and their Jealousy; Timothy and Kelvin's Collision; and so so much more. Timothy (99), Ben (Mike) and Fola (Free Hudson-Odoi) present to you the “New Caller ID” podcast. If you pick up the phone expect to hear serious conversations, laughter, musical guests and Sandro. Call incoming. Signed T, B, F. Socials: Twitter @newcallerid Instagram @newcallerid @timothy.xcix @flattopfola

Growing Weed in Your Landlord’s House; The Rental Market; Making Your Parents Proud; Parent-Child Relationships; El Chapo; Getting Frauded by SPAC. Timothy (99), Ben (Mike) and Fola (Free Hudson-Odoi) present to you the “New Caller ID” podcast. If you pick up the phone expect to hear serious conversations, laughter, musical guests and Sandro. Call incoming. Signed T, B, F. Socials: Twitter @newcallerid Instagram @newcallerid @timothy.xcix @flattopfola

Would you bring your babes to Church; Being Parents; Wasteman Teachers; Are Reading Books Overrated? Timothy (99), Ben (Mike) and Fola (Free Hudson-Odoi) present to you the “New Caller ID” podcast. If you pick up the phone expect to hear serious conversations, laughter, musical guests and Sandro. Call incoming. Signed T, B, F. Socials: Twitter @newcallerid Instagram @newcallerid @timothy.xcix @flattopfola

OUT NOW ON APPLE PODCASTS AND SPOTIFY. Cycling in London; Distances to link the Opposite Sex; Linking Girls from Church; Archived WhatsApp Chats; Data Protection Laws. Remember to like, share, subscribe, comment. Also use the hashtag #NewCallerID to engage with the conversation on Twitter! #podcast Timothy (99), Ben (Mike) and Fola (Free Hudson-Odoi) present to you the “New Caller ID” podcast. If you pick up the phone expect to hear serious conversations, laughter, musical guests and Sandro. Call incoming. Signed T, B, F. Socials: Twitter @newcallerid Instagram @newcallerid @timothy.xcix @flattopfola

Not Being Attracted to Your Own Race; Are You Your Type’s Type?; Rejection Stories; Recording For Social Media Timothy (99), Ben (Mike) and Fola (Free Hudson-Odoi) present to you the “New Caller ID” podcast. If you pick up the phone expect to hear serious conversations, laughter, musical guests and Sandro. Call incoming. Signed T, B, F. Socials: Twitter @newcallerid Instagram @newcallerid @timothy.xcix @flattopfola

Love Island; Fumbling the Bag; Beta-Male White Boys; Instagram Likes and Mental Health; Using Vouchers on Dates; Is the Customer Always Right; Diddy Dating His Son’s Ex Timothy (99), Ben (Mike) and Fola (Free Hudson-Odoi) present to you the “New Caller ID” podcast. If you pick up the phone expect to hear serious conversations, laughter, musical guests and Sandro. Call incoming. Signed T, B, F. Socials: Twitter @newcallerid Instagram @newcallerid @timothy.xcix @flattopfola

Love Island; Fola calling girls hoes; Virtue Signallers; Equal Pay in Sports Timothy (99), Ben (Mike) and Fola (Free Hudson-Odoi) present to you the “New Caller ID” podcast. If you pick up the phone expect to hear serious conversations, laughter, musical guests and Sandro. Call incoming. Signed T, B, F. Socials: Twitter @newcallerid Instagram @newcallerid @timothy.xcix @flattopfola

Childhood and Parents Timothy (99), Ben (Mike) and Fola (Free Hudson-Odoi) present to you the “New Caller ID” podcast. If you pick up the phone expect to hear serious conversations, laughter, musical guests and Sandro. Call incoming. Signed T, B, F. Socials: Twitter @newcallerid Instagram @newcallerid @timothy.xcix @flattopfola

Benjamin’s rushing story; When have you been most scared; Fingers up the bum on FaceTime; Fola’s triple-messaging; Beware of Poacher guys!; Timothy’s Friends with Benefits situation. Timothy (99), Ben (Mike) and Fola (Free Hudson-Odoi) present to you the “New Caller ID” podcast. If you pick up the phone expect to hear serious conversations, laughter, musical guests and Sandro. Call incoming. Signed T, B, F. Socials: Twitter @newcallerid Instagram @newcallerid @timothy.xcix @flattopfola

Benjamin’s Fraud Story; FOREX Traders; Money Management; Is Money everything?; How to bump TfL Underground. Timothy (99), Ben (Mike) and Fola (Free Hudson-Odoi) present to you the “New Caller ID” podcast. If you pick up the phone expect to hear serious conversations, laughter, musical guests and Sandro. Call incoming. Signed T, B, F. Socials: Twitter @newcallerid Instagram @newcallerid @timothy.xcix @flattopfola

Guys getting waves just for girls?; Turn ons/turn offs; First Dates; Girls and Relationships; the "Judas Nut"; and so so much more. Deffo an episode you don't want to miss. Timothy (99), Ben (Mike) and Fola (Free Hudson-Odoi) present to you the “New Caller ID” podcast. If you pick up the phone expect to hear serious conversations, laughter, musical guests and Sandro. Call incoming. Signed T, B, F. Socials: Twitter @newcallerid Instagram @newcallerid @timothy.xcix @flattopfola

Welcome to SEASON 2 EPISODE 10 of PowerBand Podcast, Brought to you by Motomuck. In this season finale episode, we tackle a road many have never heard of. The Taumarunui to Stratford Heritage Trail was established in 1990 to give travellers an awareness of the rich and unique history along the route linking these important Taranaki and Central North Island centres. The highway is also called the 'Forgotten World Highway', as it threads 155km through pristine sub-tropical rain forests and unspoilt scenery, just as they were thousands of years ago - including the beech ridge-tops of Whangamomona Saddle and the awesome Tangarakau Gorge.On this ride, ray and Mat are joined by a couple of good mates Mike and Ben, as they tackle a road trip planned from start to finish in 5 days following the sudden cancellation of the Tussock Buster trail Riding event. Remember, smash that subscribe button if you want PowerBand Podcast to return for season 3Thank you for joining us on this journey, we hope there are many more like it. Enjoy! CheersPowerBand PodcastRay, Mat, Ben & Mike

Player Takeover continues on Fox Footy with one of the competition's finest swapping his boots for the clipboard. North Melbourne full-forward Ben Brown takes aim at award winning journalist and AFL life member – Mike Sheahan. Don't miss ‘Open Ben'.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Player Takeover continues on Fox Footy with one of the competition’s finest swapping his boots for the clipboard. North Melbourne full-forward Ben Brown takes aim at award winning journalist and AFL life member – Mike Sheahan. Don’t miss ‘Open Ben’. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Player Takeover continues on Fox Footy with one of the competition’s finest swapping his boots for the clipboard. North Melbourne full-forward Ben Brown takes aim at award winning journalist and AFL life member – Mike Sheahan. Don’t miss ‘Open Ben’.

What's Wrong With You S1E4 by Ben Mike & Josh

While Mike and Ben were hanging out in California, they decided to record a couple podcasts in person. In this episode Mike Interviews Ben. @benjaminuyeda @modernbuilds Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices