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Join our host Marie-Claire Gould (@mariecgould) and guest for this episode Missy to talk about the American Monomyth in Star Wars. Referenced in this Episode: The American Monomyth is a 1977 book by Robert Jewett and John Shelton  The Myth of the American Superhero in 2002, by John Shelton Lawrence and Robert Jewett The Rise […]

It's the on where David interviews Roger Camero (guitar) of The Warriors.They discuss the journey that is their new record, Burn Yourself Alive coming out on Pure Noise Records.The six years between their last release, Monomyth, was anything but easy. But, all of those ups and downs have been captured on Burn Yourself Alive, and Roger is here to share some of those stories.They also have a brief chat about the re-issue of War Is Hell.This episode also features music from New League Record, Tiny Voices, Downward, Killing Daisies, Choke, and Combust.Their Links:InstagramMerchBurn Yourself AliveOUR LINKS:GRAB SOME MERCHTWITTERINSTAGRAMFACEBOOK

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Join author Mark Goodwin as he explores the concept of the Bitcoin-Dollar in his new book, uncovering a new economic monomyth. Dive into the world of cryptocurrency and economics with this thought-provoking read.Explore the concept of the Bitcoin-Dollar in this thought-provoking video by Mark Goodwin. Learn about this new economic monomyth.The Bitcoin-Dollar: An Economic MonomythBy Mark GoodwinHear it Here - https://adbl.co/4dbk0bI00:00:00 An Economic Monomyth 00:01:16 The Birth of the Bitcoin-Dollar00:07:03 But in 2007, there was Ben Bernanke00:16:22 Satoshi Nakamoto's Bitcoin00:24:18 Nearly four times as much profit was generatedhttps://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CN7BC98Q Money is a technological tool that communicates settlement between parties. The ultimate goal of money is to transmit trust within context, typically over time and over space. The distinction of the need for value settlement between time and space has allowed for a separation between commodity and currency. The dollar has arguably been the closest we have seen to succeeding at both of these tasks until the launch of Bitcoin at the start of 2009. The transitional period we will experience is simply the current iteration of an eternal concept of humans and money – an economic monomyth. If this book could have been written without using the words dollar or bitcoin, it would have. Yet an economic system that grows and regulates itself purely by the actions of its participants and not its rulers distorts the status quo. Bitcoin is a state change of money, settlement, and economic policy that takes us out from underneath the poles of the currency and commodity dichotomy.“In a world where money is abundant, you will find your freedoms are not. Consider the implications of The Bitcoin-Dollar.”—HodlMagoo, Bitcoin Nym“A sobering look at how Bitcoin could evolve to interact with our wider financial system, without the ‘Number Go Up' noise or cultish certainty of predestined domination.”—Shinobi, Bitcoin Researcher and Author“A novel meditation on the implications of a world defined by competing Bitcoin, crypto, and fiat financial systems, Goodwin's book is a timely addition to the canon. More than ever, Bitcoin is distinguishing itself as the world's first apolitical money. Goodwin is among the few writers exploring the implications of this powerful transformation.”—Pete Rizzo, Bitcoin Historian at Bitcoin Magazine“Mark Goodwin's The Bitcoin-Dollar comes at a critical time in Bitcoin's existence now that it has pierced the firmament of the mainstream. Chock full of easily recallable quotes from the likes of John Nash and Jorge Luis Borges, his book serves as a call to action by asking questions and providing potential answers for how Bitcoin might work in a world where the U.S. dollar will continue to exist. Goodwin achieves this through a smart, succinct dive into the idealism of Bitcoin and pairs it with a balanced, realistic view of the world that is sorely lacking elsewhere. Mandatory reading for the learned Bitcoiner and will remain on my desk for the foreseeable future.”—George Kaloudis, Senior Research Analyst at CoinDesk“The Bitcoin-Dollar gives an incredible overview of why Bitcoin won't replace the U.S. dollar system but will become the dollar system. A must-read for anyone interested in finance, economics, and the future of democracy.”—L0la L33tz, Author and Privacy AdvocateMark Goodwin is an author, journalist, photographer, and the current Editor-in-Chief of...

This week, join us for an insightful AI interview with me...I reflect on the memorable year as Worshipful Master. We'll journey through the notable moments and achievements that defined the year. Plus, we're diving deep into Masonic lore with a fascinating paper by Patrick Dey that juxtaposes the Hiramic Legend with Joseph Campbell's Hero's Journey. Don't miss this enriching blend of contemporary reflection and timeless mythological exploration. Links: The Hero's Journey Patrick Dey http://www.midnightfreemasons.org/2024/08/the-hiramic-legend-is-not-heros-journey.html Skull and Crown Ltd. www.skullandcrownltd.com Austin on FB Austin R. Shifrin, authorfacebook.com Austin on GoodReads Austin Shifringoodreads.com Centennial Lodge 544 https://www.masonpost.com/pa/centennial544/profile.html Craftsman+ FB Group https://www.facebook.com/groups/craftsmanplus/ WCY Podcast YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/c/WhenceCameYou Ancient Modern Initiation: Special Edition http://www.wcypodcast.com/the-Shop The Master's Word- A Short Treatise on the Word, the Light, and the Self - Autographed https://wcypodcast.com/the-shop Get the new book! How to Charter a Lodge https://wcypodcast.com/the-shop Truth Quantum https://truthquantum.com Our Patreon www.patreon.com/wcypodcast Support the show on Paypal https://wcypodcast.com/support-the-show Get some swag! https://wcypodcast.com/the-shop Get the book! http://a.co/5rtYr2r

Send us a Text Message.Join Drake and Marie as they discuss how to use the hero's journey.  Writer's room (50% off for lifetime membership): https://writersroom.mn.co/plans/338439?bundle_token=196fd3965307a65eee0d1bf2bc6fa5a6&utm_source=manualMembership for Just In Time Worlds: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxvBH0EkwuHsQ9ryHHQNi2Q/joinGive us feedback at releasingyourinnerdragon(at)gmail(dot)comDiscord: https://discord.gg/vMrmBsF5fhMagicfall: http://magicfallnovel.com/Drake's Contact Details:Starving Writer Studio: https://www.starvingwriterstudio.com/Drake-U: https://class.drakeu.com/  - Use RYID25 for 25% off!Writer's Room: https://writersroom.mn.co/Marie's contact details:Books: https://mariemullany.com/workJust In Time Worlds: https://www.youtube.com/c/JustInTimeWorlds?sub_confirmation=1

What turns a description into a story? For most writers, the answer is structure - the timeless, immutable formula of storytelling that originated when our ancestors told tales around the campfire, yet continues today in Hollywood blockbusters and best-selling books. Entertainment journalist and comic book writer Christian Angeles knows all about story structure. In fact, he's even started a company called Monomythic which aims to help preserve the foundational elements of storytelling even as artists and creators explore telling their tales through new mediums and technologies. In this week's episode of Fully Booked, Christian joins Craig and Roland to discuss the fundamental importance of a well-structured story, and how studying the craft of storytelling can't help but turn you into a better writer. If you've been searching for a missing element in your works-in-progress, this might be just the episode to tune into.   Christian Angeles https://linktr.ee/xn_angeles   Hidden Gems Need our help publishing or marketing your book?  https://www.hiddengemsbooks.com/author-services/   All episode details and links:  https://www.hiddengemsbooks.com/podcast

Episode 392 - Isaac Phoenix - The Different Dimensions of Story, How Game Design Shaped His WritingWhat are ‘The Three Dimensions of Writing'? I named it the Three Dimensions because A) there are three, maybe I need to find a less creative field, and B) people want three dimensional stories and characters so this is how I create them.Step 1: Every writer needs to read The Hero With A Thousand Faces.  It is done by Joseph Campbell who essentially breaks down why the oldest and most popular stories were the most popular stories and why they resonate today.  It is a deep book and to get the most out of it, you must take it as figuratively as you would literally.  So yeah step one is stolen, however, there is a reason.  Many famous storytellers have gone through Campbells book, George Lucas being one of the biggest names, but another man, Dan Harmon, famous for his work on television shows like Community and Rick and Morty, took the concept and simplified it.  In some cases it is too simplified, and in others, Campbells is too complicated.  I believe that to understand the Monomyth and use it perfectly, it is important to understand both of these interpretations, and as many interpretations of the monomyth as possible.Step 2: Ok so this one is completely mine.  So if you find flaws in my theory, this is probably the place where they pop up.  While I studied writing there was a ton to learn.  As a game designer I already had a ton to memorise in the field of game design.  So memorising everything that had to do with writing was a challenge.  I have three children and had their names memorised till the third one came around and now I can't remember any of them.  However there were four words that popped up again and again and again.  They were active, reactive, internal, and external.  I put together a chart with these words and applied them to every level of storytelling.  I divide my stories into the World, the Character, and the Story, and then divide it into levels: the Act, the Segment, the Scene, and the Beat.  Each of these 7 segments has these four words applied to them in different ways.  When you hear of second act fatigue, this is what gets me through it.  At no point do I ever have to question what happens in a story next because this always points me in the direction of where I need my characters to go.Step 3: Pacing is a term you will hear in writing.  I heard it everywhere, but I never truly understood it until I looked more into Shakespear.  Before Campbell, Shakespear created what is the first Writing Theory.  It was the 3 act structure.  With the monomyth I don't believe we really need the 3 act structure as a writing guide, however, I realized the 3 act structure was just a huge pacing curve.  So I combined them.  I was able to use the three act structure to map out the pacing curve and apply it to every bit of my stories.  This is important as pacing out your story is what is going to keep your audience engaged.  For the game designers out there, it is just like pacing out your Differences in Kind.https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-creative-continuumSupport the Show.___https://livingthenextchapter.com/podcast produced by: https://truemediasolutions.ca/

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Waters Above joins InnerVerse to discuss his work decoding the societal matrix, using symbolic literacy to project potential outcomes in world events and financial markets, and teaching others the necessary keys to do the same. We discuss gematria, numerology and astrology, what's up with the waters above and the outer space myth, numbers as qualities, the universal soul, decoder mastermind courses, the philosophy of self-work, & trading victimhood emptiness for creative fulfillment. The Plus+ Extension contains wisdom about how the monomyth expresses through media events, understanding artificial entities through the lens of human psychology, the mystical calendar cycle of commerce and markets, maritime rituals with birth & placenta, "shower thoughts" superpowers, healthy investment mindsets as opposed to playing in a crypto casino, and what the year of the Dragon pattern portends for 2024. Join InnerVerse Plus+ for exclusive extended episodes!https://www.patreon.com/posts/102832765https://youtu.be/Loj2PPmqGeYhttps://rokfin.com/stream/47861 GET TUNEDhttps://www.innerversepodcast.com/sound-healing EPISODE LINKShttps://www.watersabove.comhttps://www.youtube.com/@WatersAboveMusic, "Mirage" by LuSiD - https://www.lusid.live/https://www.innerversepodcast.com/season-10/waters-above SUPPORT INNERVERSEInnerVerse Merch - https://www.innerversemerch.comTippecanoe Herbs - Use INNERVERSE code at checkout - https://tippecanoeherbs.com/Check out the Spirit Whirled series, narrated by Chance - https://www.innerversepodcast.com/audiobooksDonate on CashApp at $ChanceGartonOrgonite from https://oregon-ite.com - coupon code "innerverse"Buy from Clive de Carle with this link to support InnerVerse with your purchase - https://clivedecarle.ositracker.com/197164/11489The Aquacure AC50 (Use "innerverse" as a coupon code for a discount) - https://eagle-research.com/product/ac50TT TELEGRAM LINKShttps://t.me/innerversepodcasthttps://t.me/innerversepodcastchat Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Fine, we finished it. This was truly just an awful thing to keep reading through, I think it's been a while since we've both been this angry. Anyway, if you come support us on Patreon to hear the bonus content, we couldn't be assed to make Aria characters. They suck. So we made characters in the game LIFTS instead, which doesn't suck. This is your update on that topic. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We're talking about The Hero's Journey this episode, and how it relates to the work we do as Forest Educators.    The Monomyth has a multitude of stages that are easily recognizable when we know what to look for, whether we are working with elementary age students, middle schoolers, high schoolers or adults.     The Hero or Heroine undergo many ordeals, trials and tasks in their journey into the unknown.   They encounter beings who might be allies, or become enemies, and discernment comes into play, adding complexity on top of everything else they are learning. My programs took on depth and transformational elements that had an amazing impact on campers and students, and I believe that learning these elements can help anyone working with youth or adults to expand awareness, understanding and enhance program design. Joseph Campbell-The Power of Myth :     https://www.audible.com/pd/The-Power-of-Myth-Programs-1-6-Audiobook/B002V59WRE?action_code=ASSGB149080119000H&share_location=pdp The Hero with A Thousand Faces:     https://www.animatornotebook.com/learn/the-hero-with-a-thousand-faces Join the Forest Educator Patreon! https://patreon.com/ForestEducatorPodcast Connect with Ricardo: https://www.foresteducator.com/ https://www.theforestboxforkids.com/ https://www.hawkcircle.com/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ricardo-sierra-5980931/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the_forest_educator_podcast/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/RicardohawkSierra

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Joey Anderson (he/they) is a movement-based artist and educator based in his hometown, Salt Lake City, Utah. He is currently a member of FLEET Co-Op, directed by Shelby Taylor, which just concluded its inaugural year. In collaboration with FLEET, Joey contributed in building and performing their immersive show, “Monomyth,” last Fall as well as their work shown at 801 Salon in May 2023. He also premiered his solo show, “Where Love Lived First,” at Burnswood Studio, which explored Dr. Kübler-Ross' “Stages of Grief" and how they manifest in the body. Before his time with FLEET, Joey apprenticed with SALT Contemporary Dance for their 2021-2022 season. During this time, he had the pleasure of performing in SALT's Fall and Spring shows as well as in outreach performances in the schools in Salt Lake County. As a freelance artist, Joey has performed both internationally and across the US. He has performed at Dock 11, The New Stage of the National Theatre in Prague, RAD Dance Festival, and Breaking Ground. Locally, Joey has performed in “reBloom” funded by the National Endowment for the Arts, multiple shows sponsored by Repertory Dance Theatre, 801 Salon (his own work), and the LDS Arts Festival. Joey graduated from Brigham Young University (BYU) in 2021, where he earned his Bachelor of Arts in dance. As a student, he was a member of their touring company, Contemporary Dance Theater (CDT), under the direction of Nathan Balser (2018-2019) and then Keely Song (2019-2021). Before CDT, he also was a member of their outreach company, Kinnect, under the direction of Marilyn Berrett and Heather Francis, which integrated movement to teach Utah's K-6 core curriculum in schools. Joey's education at BYU took him beyond its campus and in 2018, he performed at Dance and the Child International's (daCi) conference in Adelaide, Australia with Kinnect. Then, in 2019, he toured with CDT in Germany and the Czech Republic. In addition to his degree, Joey has received technical training through b12, Impulstanz, FLOCK, and NVA & Guests. Between his education and career, Joey has had the honor of performing work by Martha Graham, Antonin Rioche, FLOCK, LAJAMARTIN, Jesse Obremski, Jenn Freeman, Olivier Wevers, Garrett Smith, Shane Urton, Francisco Gella, and Joni McDonald. https://www.jandersonoey.com/

Grab your sketch pad, change your hair color yet again, and remember me. This is the Hero's Journey℠ of Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. The Hero's Journey℠ Podcast is a fun, insightful look at stories through the lens of Joseph Campbell's world-renowned mythological framework, hosted by writers/BFFs Jeff Garvin and Dan Zarzana. Please follow us on Facebook and Instagram. To see exclusive bonus content and gain the right to vote on the subject of our next episode, visit our Patreon page. The trademark Hero's Journey℠ is used under license from the Joseph Campbell Foundation (www.jcf.org).

This episode is something I'd like to call a little cerebral. Put on your thinking caps and put down your pencils, we're discussing Carl Jung's Archetypes and Joseph Campbell's Monomyth, both things stated as inspirations for the story of Star Wars, and perhaps all of Western storytelling for the last 50 years.Also, for these last 10 episodes, we are going to be uploading them biweekly. This is to give people the chance to catch up and send in their ideas to send off the Dark Times: A Saga Edition Podcast!Follow us on Twitter: twitter.com/DarkTimesSWSEEmail us at: DarkTimesSWSE@Gmail.comLogo designed by: @MothPunkHelpful SWSE LinksThe SWSE Wikir/SagaEdition on RedditJoin link for the Saga Edition Wiki DiscordSupport the show Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The finale of the 2024 New Year's Comic Spree! Zach concludes his quest to catch up on all the new books he didn't finish or didn't get to in 2023.This week on the docket: #1Dr. AxoThe Dining Room of Doom and The Tank of Terror Written by Aaron SillsArt by Bethany Carroll#2Local Man (Image Comics)Issues 1-8Written and created by Tony Fleecs and Tim SeeleyArt by Tony Fleecs and Tim SeeleyColors by Brad Simpson and Felipe Sobreiro#3Behold, Behemoth (BOOM! Studios)Issues 1-5Written by Tate BrombalArt by Nick RoblesLetters by Andworld Design#4Monomyth (Mad Cave Studios)Written by David HazanArt by Cecilia Lo Valvoand Federico BertoniColors by Marissa LouiseLetters by Lucas Gattoni#5Night Club (Image Comics)Issue 1-6Written by Mark MillarArt by Juanan RamirezColors by Fabiana MascoloLetters by Clem Robins---------------------------------------------------Check out Dreampass and all their killer tracks on Spotify!---------------------------------------------------Join the Patreon to help us keep the lights on, and internet connected! https://www.patreon.com/tctwl---------------------------------------------------Listen to my other podcast!TFD: NerdcastAnd I am also part of the team over at...I Read Comic Books!---------------------------------------------------Want to try out all the sweet gigs over on Fiverr.com? Click on the link below and sign up!https://go.fiverr.com/visit/?bta=323533&brand=fiverrcpa---------------------------------------------------Follow on Instagram!The Comics That We LoveFollow on Tiktok!The Comics that We LoveFollow on Twitter!@Z_Irish_Red

Sharpen your shword, prepare your aloe burn treatment, and commit the Code to heart. Thish ish the hero'sh journey of Dragonheart. The Hero's Journey℠ Podcast is a fun, insightful look at stories through the lens of Joseph Campbell's world-renowned mythological framework, hosted by writers/BFFs Jeff Garvin and Dan Zarzana. Please follow us on X and Instagram. To see exclusive bonus content and gain the right to vote on the subject of our next episode, visit our Patreon page. The trademark Hero's Journey℠ is used under license from the Joseph Campbell Foundation (www.jcf.org).

From the November/December 2023 edition of The Scottish Rite Journal. Any accompanying photographs or citations for this article can be found in the corresponding print edition.Make sure to like and subscribe to the channel! Freemasons, make sure you shout out your Lodge, Valley, Chapter or Shrine below!OES, Job's Daughter's, Rainbow, DeMolay? Drop us a comment too!To learn how to find a lodge near you, visit www.beafreemason.comTo learn more about the Scottish Rite, visit www.scottishrite.orgVisit our YouTube Page: Youtube.com/ScottishRiteMasonsVisit our new stores:Bookstore: https://www.srbookstore.myshopify.com/Merch Store: http://www.shopsrgifts.com/

Squeeze into those leather pants, locate the stage, and crank up your amp to 11. This is the hero's journey of This is Spinal Tap. The Hero's Journey ℠ Podcast is a fun, insightful look at stories through the lens of Joseph Campbell's world-renowned mythological framework, hosted by writers/BFFs Jeff Garvin and Dan Zarzana. Please follow us on X and Instagram. To see exclusive bonus content and gain the right to vote on the subject of our next episode, visit our Patreon page. The trademark Hero's Journey℠ is used under license from the Joseph Campbell Foundation (www.jcf.org).

Professor Matthew Kapell joins me to discuss superheroes, mythology, and the American Monomyth.What is a myth? Are superhero stories considered myths? Does America have a central myth, and how do superheroes contribute to it?Matthew Kapell has taught a wide range of subjects, including film studies and human genetics, at colleges and universities in the United States and the United Kingdom. He recently began teaching anthropology at Montclair State University in New Jersey. He serves as the editor for the academic book series Studies in Gaming published by McFarland Publishers. His published works cover various topics such as gaming, film, television, media, genetics, human biology, literary studies, African legal history, and the history of Detroit. In 2016, his book titled "Exploring the Next Frontier: Vietnam, NASA, Star Trek and Utopia in 1960s and 1970s Myth and History" was published by Routledge Press (NY and London). Additionally, his 2013 book, co-edited with Andrew B.R. Elliot, "Playing With The Past: Digital Games and the Simulation of History," was recognized as a foundational text in the study of how games incorporate history by the journal History and Theory.You can find his books here.The book we discussed is "The Myth of the American Superhero" by Robert Jewett and John Shelton Lawrence. To support a local bookshop and this show, you can purchase it through our affiliate link. We've started the conversation. Now we want to hear from you!Want to continue the discussion with us? Agree or disagree with what we talked about, or add your own thoughts? We've got options for you!Email: ✉️ Matthew@TheEthicalPanda.com

Cover your tracks, prepare your alibi, and get ready to stare into the donut hole. This is the  hero's journey of Knives Out. The Hero's Journey ℠ Podcast is a fun, insightful look at movies through the lens of Joseph Campbell's world-renowned mythological framework, hosted by writer/BFFs Jeff Garvin and Dan Zarzana. Please follow us on Twitter and Instagram. To see exclusive bonus content and gain the right to vote on the subject of our next episode, visit https://www.patreon.com/herosjourney. The trademark Hero's Journey℠ is used under license from the Joseph Campbell Foundation (www.jcf.org).

What if we told you that every story — and we mean EVERY story — shared the same underlying structure, and only the surface details changed? If you're new to the idea of the Monomyth, have never heard the name "Joseph Campbell", or don't know why you should always Save The Cat, then prepare to have your mind blown.  Because when it comes to storytelling (whether in film, TV, literature, video games and even prehistoric cave paintings), there's really only one tale; albeit one we've heard told countless different ways. On today's episode, Saint and Jim break down the building blocks for nearly every story in existence, and outline the reasoning behind why we cheerfully line up to hear it over and over and over. Get ready for the ultimate spoiler alert for all of pop culture as we know it.

Storytelling is what distinguishes man from animal. The stories we enact significantly influence how we perceive, conceive, and shape the world around us. In this new series "The Power of Film", Mike Hill and I inspect the architecture of storytelling through the prism of modern film in an effort to reveal the most profound depths of the human operating system. Mike is a veteran film and game designer for blockbusters like Love, Death and Robots, Call of Duty, Game of Thrones, Blade Runner 2049, and Dune to name a few. Using his insights from years of experience, we'll look at the Hero in cinema and explore the timeless narratives of two iconic film franchises - "The Matrix" and "Star Wars" - through the profound lens of Joseph Campbell's Monomyth. As we delve into the Hero's Journey we'll explore the hidden layers of symbolism, archetypes, and mythological elements that have cemented these movies as cultural phenomena. For more of Mike's work and lectures head over to: https://www.youtube.com/@mikehilldesignstudio

Identify your mark, stack the deck, and know your escape route. This is the hero's journey of The Sting. The Hero's Journey ℠ Podcast is a fun, insightful look at movies through the lens of Joseph Campbell's world-renowned mythological framework, hosted by writer/BFFs Jeff Garvin and Dan Zarzana. Please follow us on Twitter and Instagram. To see exclusive bonus content and gain the right to vote on the subject of our next episode, visit https://www.patreon.com/herosjourney. The trademark Hero's Journey℠ is used under license from the Joseph Campbell Foundation (www.jcf.org).

Tana Ford returns to help us with Scarlet Witch by Steve Orlando, Sara Pichelli, Elisabetta D'Amico, and Matthew Wilson, Monomyth by David Hazan, Cecelia Lo Valvo, and Marissa Louise from Mad Cave Studio, Chef's Kiss by Jarrett Melendez, Danica Brine, and Hank Jones from Oni Press, Pink Elephant #1 from E & E Plissken, Benson Chin, and Harumi Tokuyosi from Sumerian, Until I Love Myself: The Journey of a Nonbinary Manga Artist by Poppy Pesuyama from Viz, Butterfly House by Brenda Hickey and Troy Little from PegaMoose Press, plus a whole mess more!

Dust off your fedora, pack your Grail Diary, and don't call me Junior! This is the hero's journey of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. The Hero's Journey ℠ Podcast is a fun, insightful look at movies through the lens of Joseph Campbell's world-renowned mythological framework, hosted by writer/BFFs Jeff Garvin and Dan Zarzana. Please follow us on Twitter and Instagram. To see exclusive bonus content and gain the right to vote on the subject of our next episode, visit https://www.patreon.com/herosjourney. The trademark Hero's Journey℠ is used under license from the Joseph Campbell Foundation (www.jcf.org).  

What falls cannot always be recovered, what is taken cannot always be reclaimed. CW: grief, suicide, PTSD, self-harm, torture, blood, violence Kenon Pearce as DM  Jordache Richardson as Chaz, Brad, and Serif Nikki Richardson as Talice and Sally ISHNAR/KALCRIN HOMEBREW SETTING by Kenon Pearce   Sound editing by Nikki Richardson JOIN US IN OUR DISCORD FOR OUR CAMPAIGN 1 ENDING EVENTS! 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Load your typewriter with white long-grained mimeo paper and take your Novril. This is the hero's journey of Misery. The Hero's Journey℠ Podcast is a fun, insightful look at movies through the lens of Joseph Campbell's world-renowned mythological framework, hosted by writer/BFFs Jeff Garvin and Dan Zarzana. The trademark Hero's Journey℠ is used under license from the Joseph Campbell Foundation (www.jcf.org).

This week, we dive into horror maestro Ari Asters latest film, the wildly divisive Beau Is Afraid. Coined by the filmmaker as a Jewish Lord of the Rings about a man visiting his mother, Beau Is Afraid is the ultimate subversion of the mommy issues monomyth. We talk dream logic, the film's surprising humor, and the hero's journey. Is Ari Aster three for three? Tune in and find out!

Grab your gear, prep your mud bath, and get to the choppa! This is the Hero's Journey℠ of Predator. The Hero's Journey℠ Podcast is a fun, insightful look at movies through the lens of Joseph Campbell's world-renowned mythological framework, hosted by writer/BFFs Jeff Garvin and Dan Zarzana. The trademark Hero's Journey℠ is used under license from the Joseph Campbell Foundation (www.jcf.org).

On this week of the Bridge of Two podcast we discuss a topic that goes to the very fabric of human storytelling. "The Hero's Journey" or "Monomyth" is a story-telling structure that has resonated across cultures for millennia that was identified by Joseph Campbell in the 1949 book "The Hero with a Thousand Faces." From Star Wars to The Hobbit, The Odyssey to Harry Potter and almost any story in between will inevitably follow this structure.So, answer the call to adventure and join us on this episode of the Bridge of Two Podcast!

This podcast is about to get... Reckless, as we take a look at the Ed Brubaker and Sean Phillips debut volume. We discuss Creature Commandos, and the lastest release from Ookla the Mok! We review The Mighty Barbarians #1, Amazing Spider-Man #24, Monomyth #1, and Billionaire Island: Cult of Dogs #6. Show your thanks to Major Spoilers for this episode by becoming a Major Spoilers Patron at http://patreon.com/MajorSpoilers. It will help ensure the Major Spoilers Podcast continues far into the future! Join our Discord server and chat with fellow Spoilerites! (https://discord.gg/jWF9BbF) NEWS https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/creature-commandos-voice-cast-dc-david-harbour-indira-varma-alan-tudyk-1235580081/ Bill Cipher by Ookla the Mok Check out the song at The FUMP - https://www.thefump.com/ and more Ookla the Mok music at http://needlejuicerecords.com/ooklathemok REVIEWS STEPHEN THE MIGHTY BARBARIANS #1 Writer: Michael Moreci Artist: Giuseppe Cafaro Publisher: ABLAZE Publishing Cover Price: $3.99 Release Date: April 19, 2023 They're barbarians. They loot, they plunder, they conquer. That's what they do, and they do it alone...until NOW! When an unstoppable force starts consuming one world after another, sorceress Morgan Le Fey uses her magic to assemble a team of skull-cracking warriors who must somehow work together to save all of existence. There's the young trickster Anansi, Viking shield maiden Birka, the shape shifting Nanook, and their leader, heir to a fallen kingdom and mightiest of warriors, KULL! Though their alliance is uneasy, they will do whatever it takes to cut the heart right out of their mutual enemy, leaving a path of ruin through everything and everyone that stands in their way! Before The Avengers, The Justice League, The X-Men, before it all...stood The Mighty Barbarians! [rating:3/5] You can purchase this issue via our Amazon affiliate link - https://amzn.to/3oePNET MATTHEW AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #24 Writer: Zeb Wells Artist: John Romita Jr. Publisher: Marvel Comics Cover Price: $3.99 Release Date: April 19, 2023 Witness what brought Peter Parker and Norman Osborn together. Your opinion of who the hero is and who the villain is may end up at least blurred... [rating:4/5] You can purchase this issue via our Amazon affiliate link - https://amzn.to/3Ab9Wy5 RODRIGO MONOMYTH #1 Writer: David Hazan Artist: Cecillia Lo Valvo Publisher: Mad Cave Studios Cover Price: $4.99 Release Date: May 3, 2023 Magic is all but extinct. When the last ailing wizard casts a final desperate spell to summon the descendants of ancient bloodlines to a school for magic now in disrepair...those chosen ones find a horror of the likes they've never experienced. They will have to confront the deepest parts of themselves, their tragic pasts, and defeat each other to survive the ordeal. [rating: 3/5] You can purchase this issue via our Amazon affiliate link - https://amzn.to/43GFUzY RAND BILLIONAIRE ISLAND: CULT OF DOGS #6 Writer: Mark Russell Artist: Steve Pugh Publisher: AHOY Comics Cover Price: $4.99 Release Date: April 19, 2023 “The essential satire of 2022” (ScreenRant) thunders to a shocking climax! In the wreckage of Billionaire Island, reporter Shelly Bly finds herself tempted by the Cult of Business Dog. By the award-winning Flintstones creative team of Mark Russell (SECOND COMING, Not All Robots) and Steve Pugh (Animal Man). [rating: 4/5] DISCUSSION RECKLESS Writer: Ed Brubaker Artist: Sean Phillips Publisher: Image Comics Release Date: October 2020 Cover Price: $24.99 Sex, drugs, and murder in 1980s Los Angeles... And the best new twist on paperback pulp heroes since The Punisher or Jack Reacher. Ed Brubaker and Sean Phillips, the modern masters of crime noir, bring us the last thing anyone expected from them - a good guy - in a bold new series of original graphic novels, with three books releasing over the next year, each a full-length story that stands on its own. Meet Ethan Reckless: Your trouble is his business, for the right price. But when a fugitive from his student radical days reaches out for help, Ethan must face the only thing he fears... his own past. CLOSE Contact us at podcast@majorspoilers.com Call the Major Spoilers Hotline at (785) 727-1939. A big Thank You goes out to everyone who downloads, subscribes, listens, and supports this show. We really appreciate you taking the time to listen to our ramblings each week. Tell your friends!

This podcast is about to get... Reckless, as we take a look at the Ed Brubaker and Sean Phillips debut volume. We discuss Creature Commandos, and the lastest release from Ookla the Mok! We review The Mighty Barbarians #1, Amazing Spider-Man #24, Monomyth #1, and Billionaire Island: Cult of Dogs #6. Show your thanks to Major Spoilers for this episode by becoming a Major Spoilers Patron at http://patreon.com/MajorSpoilers. It will help ensure the Major Spoilers Podcast continues far into the future! Join our Discord server and chat with fellow Spoilerites! (https://discord.gg/jWF9BbF) NEWS https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/creature-commandos-voice-cast-dc-david-harbour-indira-varma-alan-tudyk-1235580081/ Bill Cipher by Ookla the Mok Check out the song at The FUMP - https://www.thefump.com/ and more Ookla the Mok music at http://needlejuicerecords.com/ooklathemok REVIEWS STEPHEN THE MIGHTY BARBARIANS #1 Writer: Michael Moreci Artist: Giuseppe Cafaro Publisher: ABLAZE Publishing Cover Price: $3.99 Release Date: April 19, 2023 They're barbarians. They loot, they plunder, they conquer. That's what they do, and they do it alone...until NOW! When an unstoppable force starts consuming one world after another, sorceress Morgan Le Fey uses her magic to assemble a team of skull-cracking warriors who must somehow work together to save all of existence. There's the young trickster Anansi, Viking shield maiden Birka, the shape shifting Nanook, and their leader, heir to a fallen kingdom and mightiest of warriors, KULL! Though their alliance is uneasy, they will do whatever it takes to cut the heart right out of their mutual enemy, leaving a path of ruin through everything and everyone that stands in their way! Before The Avengers, The Justice League, The X-Men, before it all...stood The Mighty Barbarians! [rating:3/5] You can purchase this issue via our Amazon affiliate link - https://amzn.to/3oePNET MATTHEW AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #24 Writer: Zeb Wells Artist: John Romita Jr. Publisher: Marvel Comics Cover Price: $3.99 Release Date: April 19, 2023 Witness what brought Peter Parker and Norman Osborn together. Your opinion of who the hero is and who the villain is may end up at least blurred... [rating:4/5] You can purchase this issue via our Amazon affiliate link - https://amzn.to/3Ab9Wy5 RODRIGO MONOMYTH #1 Writer: David Hazan Artist: Cecillia Lo Valvo Publisher: Mad Cave Studios Cover Price: $4.99 Release Date: May 3, 2023 Magic is all but extinct. When the last ailing wizard casts a final desperate spell to summon the descendants of ancient bloodlines to a school for magic now in disrepair...those chosen ones find a horror of the likes they've never experienced. They will have to confront the deepest parts of themselves, their tragic pasts, and defeat each other to survive the ordeal. [rating: 3/5] You can purchase this issue via our Amazon affiliate link - https://amzn.to/43GFUzY RAND BILLIONAIRE ISLAND: CULT OF DOGS #6 Writer: Mark Russell Artist: Steve Pugh Publisher: AHOY Comics Cover Price: $4.99 Release Date: April 19, 2023 “The essential satire of 2022” (ScreenRant) thunders to a shocking climax! In the wreckage of Billionaire Island, reporter Shelly Bly finds herself tempted by the Cult of Business Dog. By the award-winning Flintstones creative team of Mark Russell (SECOND COMING, Not All Robots) and Steve Pugh (Animal Man). [rating: 4/5] DISCUSSION RECKLESS Writer: Ed Brubaker Artist: Sean Phillips Publisher: Image Comics Release Date: October 2020 Cover Price: $24.99 Sex, drugs, and murder in 1980s Los Angeles... And the best new twist on paperback pulp heroes since The Punisher or Jack Reacher. Ed Brubaker and Sean Phillips, the modern masters of crime noir, bring us the last thing anyone expected from them - a good guy - in a bold new series of original graphic novels, with three books releasing over the next year, each a full-length story that stands on its own. Meet Ethan Reckless: Your trouble is his business, for the right price. But when a fugitive from his student radical days reaches out for help, Ethan must face the only thing he fears... his own past. CLOSE Contact us at podcast@majorspoilers.com Call the Major Spoilers Hotline at (785) 727-1939. A big Thank You goes out to everyone who downloads, subscribes, listens, and supports this show. We really appreciate you taking the time to listen to our ramblings each week. Tell your friends!

What an episode we have for you today here at the Comic Book Yeti Cryptid Creator Corner! It's David Hazan, writer of Mad Cave Studios series NOTTINGHAM, the brand new MONOMYTH also from Mad Cave Studios, and the upcoming DEATH DROP: DRAG ASSASSIN from Scout Comics. David and I chat about all these great comics, how he got his start writing comics, and we even get to chat a little about the practice of law in Australia! What? Another lawyer/comic writer? This is a fantastic conversation that I know you'll enjoy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Gas up the Saab, load the trunk with Pinot Noir, and prepare your mental thesaurus of olfactory terminology. This is the hero's journey of Sideways. The Hero's Journey is a podcast about books and films through the lens of Joseph Campbell's mythological framework, using Chrisopher Vogler's The Writer's Journey as a guide. Hosted by writers Jeff Garvin and Dan Zarzana.

Let's talk about (spoiler alert) Jazza's favourite movie of the year (and maybe of all time) - as we look at parallel universes, googly eyes, and lesbian supervillains! Support us on Patreon at patreon.com/thequeermoviepodcast for as little as $5 per month to gain access to perks like queer movie recommendations, Discord access, and watch-a-longs. Thank you for supporting us! We're a serious podcast and have a serious sponsor, Squarespace support us! Help make the podcast profitable by going to squarespace.com/queermovie, and by using the code 'queermovie' at checkout. This is a queer movie watch party for your ears, hosted by Rowan Ellis and Jazza John. Join us as we take a look at the queer film canon, one genre at a time. From rom-coms to slashers, contemporary arthouse cinema to comedy classics - Queer Movie Podcast is a celebration of all things queer on the silver screen! New episodes every other Thursday. Find Us on the Internet Super Highway - Twitter: https://twitter.com/QueerMoviePod  - Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thequeermoviepodcast - Website: http://www.queermoviepodcast.co.uk/  - Multitude: @MultitudeShows Production - Hosts: Rowan Ellis and Jazza John - Editor: Julia Schifini - Executive Producer: Multitude - Artwork: Jessica E. Boyd   TRANSCRIPT: JAZZA:  Hello, everyone. Just before we jump into the main episode today, I want to thank our two top-level patrons, Jennifer, and Toby, who are supporting us on the rainbow parent tier, which is absolutely bloody amazing. Do you want to join them, head over to Patreon and you don't have to donate as much as they do, but we'd really appreciate anything that you can give to us. More about Patreon coming a little bit later. On with the episode, my darlings.  [theme] JAZZA:  Welcome to the Queer Movie Podcast celebrating the best— ROWAN:  —And worst— JAZZA:  In LGBTQ plus cinema, one glorious genre at a time.  ROWAN:  I'm Rowan Ellis. JAZZA:  And I'm Jazza John. ROWAN:  Each episode we discuss a movie from a different genre of cinema.  JAZZA:  This episode's genre is— JAZZA AND ROWAN: Queer Oscars 2023. ROWAN:  So in sync, so coordinated. JAZZA:  Yeah, a 100%. The—the yearly tradition of us doing the Queer Oscar stuff. So today, we're going to be talking about the best bloody movie ever made by the Daniels, Kwan, and Scheinert. And starring the best actor in the history of humanity, Michelle Yeoh, and nominated for 11 Oscars, I think. Everything Everywhere All at Once. ROWAN:  Not to spoil what Jazza thought of the movie or anything. But before we start— JAZZA:  It's my favorite movie, it's my favorite movie. I'm so fucking excite— after like the last three movies that we've done, I'm so excited to speak about something that I actually genuinely adore. I love this film. Spoiler.  ROWAN:  But before we stuff Employee of the Month awards up our asses, so we can fight Michelle herself. Jazza, what's the gayest thing you've done since the last episode? JAZZA:  So um, hi everybody, I live in New York. And I— ROWAN:  Oh, here we go again. JAZZA:  Ran out of my NHS-prescribed prep at the end of last year. And so I have been having to live like it's the 90s, oh, my God. And I just—for the first time, like a true American, which I'm not. But like a true American resident picked up my first prescription of prep from CVS. ROWAN:  You— did you have to pay American money for it? Or do—do you have an insurance? JAZZA:  No, I get it on my health insurance. ROWAN:  Oooh, look at you! JAZZA:  I got a full fe—although, can I just show you the documentation that I have to read—  ROWAN:  Yeah. JAZZA:  —when I take this. ROWAN:  I'll do an audio [2:33] Okay, here's the audio description. What's basically happened is Jazza has just come onto the webcam that I can see. And they've essentially like, you know, one of those comedy scrolls that just keeps rolling all the way down the throne room in some kind of fantasy comedy movie, that's exactly what's just—just been displayed in front of me. That is like, a world map to scale, that is so big. Have you read any of it?  JAZZA:  Yeah, well, I had to try and because, like, I know that, like what you're meant to do to take for it. But I wanted to like double check, because this is American prep, and maybe it's different. So I found the instructions of dosage and how to take it, and it says, take dosage exactly as your prescriber told you. ROWAN:  Okay. JAZZA:  Fucking useless.  ROWAN:  What—oh, did your prescriber not tell you? JAZZA:  No. But I have texted him and said, is it like normal prep and we'll find out when he texts me back, so that'd be good.  ROWAN:  Wow. JAZZA:  What's the gayest thing you did? ROWAN:  Before we go into the gayest thing, I really feel like this podcast is educational. It's very vitally important, very serious, not at all. But in cases, anyone listening who doesn't know this, if you take two or more prescriptions monthly, and you're on the NHS, like through the NHS, get yourself a prepaid certificate, because it will be cheaper. And then every single prescription you get past, I think it's literally like you have to have one and a half prescriptions a month, it will be cheaper, and every single one, it won't cost you any more money. And then when you go in and they say do you pay for prescriptions, you get to be like, I already did baby, I pre-paid. Because I didn't know that until very recently. And I've been taking two prescriptions a month for many years and didn't realize I was paying too much for them. That wasn't the gayest thing I've done though. Um. JAZZA:  [laughs] ROWAN:  What? JAZZA:  Isn't it, making—making healthcare more easy to—easier to navigate and more accessible? [4:24] ROWAN:  [4:25] that's pretty gay. No, that I actually did my first in-person talk, and since the pandemic— JAZZA:  Oh yeah, this is cool. ROWAN:  I used to do a lot of them. And I've done some in person like hosting stuff and things like that, but mostly it's been online. But I went to essentially like a organization where a bunch of like solicitors and lawyers, and legal organizations kind of have joined forces so that, that LGBT group is—has some has—has actual members and it isn't just like one person at one law firm. And I did a little talk and I am very, very proud of it, it went very, very well. And I actually think that talk is very good. It's basically about the—the parallels of the moral panic from the 80s around gay people to the trans panic now. Yeah, a lot of people came to ask me about it afterward, I think including some people who hadn't necessarily been to abreast of the situation with like the trans panic. And who had some very thoughtful questions, and I think definitely was making them think, which is, you know, what we love to do. So, If anyone wants me to come and talk, basically be very depressing for an hour, I now apparently do that professionally. But that was my gay [5:34] JAZZA:  Don't sell yourself [5:35]. If anybody wants like a really informed and provocative discussion or talk to bring to your workplace, then please get in touch with Rowan Ellis because she's one of the [5:45] ROWAN:  [5:48] JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  Oh, don't think I won't do it, I'll do it. I'm sorry, that was a threat for some reason to you. Yeah. No, that's—that was, that's pretty gay, so that's me. JAZZA:  Well done. Proud of you.  ROWAN:  Thank you. [theme] JAZZA:  So anybody who is new here, here's how we're going to do it. So first, we're going to give a little bit of context around how gay the Oscars are this year in 2023. And I am just going to carve out a little bit of time to do some gushing around how I think Michelle Yeoh is the best person on the face of the planet, how she's my bitch, and that I die for her. I watched Star Trek Discovery for Michelle Yeoh. ROWAN:  That's dedication. We will be spoiling this movie, so we would encourage you to watch it before listening to the rest of the episode because it really is very excellent. And some of these movies that we review, were like, no, don't bother, just listen to us describe what happens during the plot. But for this one, do go away and watch it and then come back.  JAZZA:  Yeah. To be clear, I think this is the best film ever made. So without further ado, let's put everything on a bagel, despair, report cards, salt, and this review of the movie, Everything Everywhere All at Once. [theme] ROWAN:  So this year we had a few options actually when we were looking at what maybe we wanted to do for— JAZZA:  No we didn't, we were always going to do this— ROWAN:  Okay, well— JAZZA:  [7:12] ROWAN:   —hypotechnically.  JAZZA:  Yeah, yeah.  ROWAN:  There would [7:13] JAZZA:  If were gonna pretend. ROWAN:  So obviously Everything Everywhere All at Once, Tar, which was the film with Cate Blanchett that we didn't enjoy, that we have already reviewed. So if you did enjoy that or not, check out the podcast on that, already out. There's also The Whale, which has earned three nominations, I think, including for Brendan Frazier's performance of a gay man, spiraling out over grief after the death of his partner. And then technically Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery, [7:44] JAZZA:  Oh sure. Yeah. ROWAN:  For Best Adapted Screenplay because allegedly Ben was gay. And we also have already done that. So realis—oh, I think like, again, technically like Lady Gaga got a nomination for the theme song to Top Gun Maverick, and you know. JAZZA:  Love the Top Gun Maverick, already one of the gayest fucking movies on the planet without actually being gay. Actually did get an Oscar nomination, we could have covered it. I love that because of Lady fucking Gaga of all people. ROWAN:  Yeah. Their only— JAZZA:  It would have been quite poetic actually. Should we go back and just do Top Gun? ROWAN:  I mean, yeah, maybe it's like hey, here's a little sneak little—little cheeky episode where it's just like gay, the gay subtext genre. That is technically a genre, I guess?  JAZZA:  Hey, watch this space.  ROWAN:  And then there's also some ones that are maybe lesser known. So one of the best international feature, Close, which is from Belgium,  follows two teenage boys who have this very close friendship and then it get there like a lot of drama happens after some of their schoolmates sort of notice how close they are. And there's like a rift forms between them, which I haven't seen. And it also haven't seen after [8:48] which seems to be ambiguously gay. Where some people are like, it's very obvious that the main character is gay. And some people are like, it's—it's not, no one picked up on it, blah, blah, blah. So it's like, that was also a possibility of [9:00] this movie that everyone is obsessed with. And that I do need to see, but I need to be emotionally ready for it because apparently, it's going to tear my heart out.  JAZZA:  Great.  ROWAN:  Absolutely decimated. And so yeah, I think that the only one that we haven't covered that we might do on the podcast seems to be The Whale. But I literally—I mentioned it not to say that we shouldn't do Everything Everywhere All at Once. I just mentioned it as like, oh, we could also do the work. Like I hadn't even finished typing to send the message. Before Jazza was like absolutely the fuck not, we're doing this movie. We're not doing any other movie ever again. Only this movie.  JAZZA:  I think I might have threatened to quit.  ROWAN:  Yeah. [9:35] Okay. Good luck [9:37] Rowan. So yeah, essentially, we didn't really have a choice and by we, I mean me. But I'm fine with that. I—I um have a confession though.  JAZZA:  Go on. ROWAN:  I started watching this movie a little while ago. And I just didn't finish. I just got like— I mean I've finished it now. To be clear, I'm coming into this podcast— JAZZA:  Oh my gosh! ROWAN:  —not having watched the movie. JAZZA:  Well, you did it with Rose, so. ROWAN:  I basically got to the fanny pack fight scene, but I just like wasn't in the frame of mind to— I don't know like the ADHD was really ADHD. And I was like, I can't concentrate on anything, let alone this long movie. JAZZA:  You didn't even get that far. ROWAN:  I know. JAZZA:  The fanny pack [10:18] ROWAN:  It's really near the beginning, but my brain was just like, I can't concentrate on anything longer than about two minutes long. And I wanted to do it justice. Like I knew that so many people love this film, and I wanted to give it a good go. So I was like, I'm not just going to try and push through it. I want to actually enjoy it. So I am very happy that you forced me to watch it, because it's a very good movie. JAZZA:  Wait, had you not finished it until we were going to do this episode? ROWAN:  Yeah. I literally watched it for the episode.  JAZZA:  Oh, my God. I'm—you're welcome. ROWAN:  Your—again. Again, Jazza the way you say welcome absolutely destroys me, but— JAZZA:  Welcome. ROWAN:  Absolutely not. So basically, but I'll show you because I don't know why I thought I would be able to watch this movie. I was like, maybe I need something different to my brain. So I was like, maybe I'll just paint while I'm doing it, just like a little cute painting. But then I forgot that I had to make notes for this podcast. So I was like, trying to write notes, and then also paint. So I got like, not far through the painting whatsoever. I just got the under-the-base thing done, which is like, this is— JAZZA:  Oh that's cute. ROWAN:  —the scene where she like cracks in three, and it's like any office building. JAZZA:  Oh yeah. ROWAN:  But like none of the actual features are in, so it just looks really like blobs. But I will try and finish it by the time this goes out, so we can put it on our social media because you know, we should probably upload there, you know. JAZZA:  Hey [11:39] ROWAN:  Put things on our socials. JAZZA:  Really great for engagement. ROWAN:  Yeah, everyone loves a good [11:44] So yeah, that is essentially my context, is that the queer movies we've done, like I've done like a—together, we did a whole video about the quick history of the Oscars on my channel before, we've talked about the kind of Oscars in general in other episodes of the podcast, so I wanted to keep it just to like what's going on specifically this year, which seems to be—I would say that from the movies that I've seen, that are nominated, this one it feels like— like Tar, for example, and Knives Out and things, the sexuality is not necessarily a key part of the plot. It could be that the character like isn't queer, and it would have been reasonably similar. Whereas I think that the queer element of this film is like important to the plot. Like the— the fact— JAZZA:  Yeah 100%. ROWAN:  — that she's queer is important to what's going on here. Which I think is very—it's going to be interesting to have a little chat about. Would you like to do your context, which is basically just you talking about your [12:40] JAZZA:  Michelle Yeoh? Yeah, my girl Michelle, I'm—every gay kind of has a that one female artist, that they will die for generally. Mine in the music sphere, Shakira, and in the action sphere, Michelle Yeoh. Michelle Yeoh could probably be credited with me deciding to learn Chinese and move to China. I'm not even joking. I first— I remember watching her—the first time I ever watched her was in the James Bond movie that she was in, which was I Think Tomorrow Never Dies?  And since then, have just like, completely been obsessed with her, obsessed with her career. She went from—well before then, she started off as like a beauty queen in Malaysia, then did an advert with Jackie Chan in the 1980s because, of course, every East Asian woman in the 1980s did an advert with the Jackie Chan, they were advertising watches. Then she from that ended up being an action star and a huge star in Hong Kong in her own— right Hong Kong being the center of the movie industry in Asia. So she was in movies like when [13:51] Yes, madam, and was already this huge, huge star. She was catapulted into international stardom through James Bond and then ended up doing the Ang Lee film, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon was in stuff like Memoirs of a Geisha, went on to do have supporting roles in movies like Crazy Rich Asians. And just— has just kind of like grown into playing a lot of these matriarch roles. She has a dance background and so has traditionally done all of her own stunts and all of her fight scenes, which is the same for a lot of the stuff that is in this movie. And I just think she's really fucking badass. She's learned whole languages in order to play roles. Before the 2000s she couldn't speak any Mandarin, she learned it for Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and now does this whole movie, this whole movie Everything Everywhere All at Once in Mandarin, just full interviews in Mandarin. She learnt Burmese when she played Aung San Suu Kyi in The Lady hasn't aged very well that movie, but that's crazy. And she didn't speak any Cantonese before she broke into Hong Kong cinema. Like this woman is a absolutely fucking phenomenal. And she was educated at least part of her life in London, so we can claim her, she's one of us. And that's all. I love her. ROWAN:  That's very adorable.  JAZZA:  Thank you. ROWAN:  Someone, someone, someone send this to Michelle. JAZZA:  Oh, I—you know that embarrassing interaction I had with Baldwin Yang, I feel like Michelle Yeoh is one of the only other people who I would like physically combust in front of. I would not be able to handle it. ROWAN:  I love that. Yeah, we'll keep you at a distance. I'll be— if I ever see her in the street and you're with me, I'm taking, I'm like gonna rugby tackle you to the floor. I'll be like, no, Jazza shield your eyes. Like— JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  —I feel like it would just have you'd be having some kind of like angelic experience, it would burn the very soul out of you, so don't worry, I've got your back.  JAZZA:  Thank you. And just to close on one final thing before we dive into the plot of this movie. She's the first East Asian woman to be nominated for an Oscar Best Actress. And Stephanie Hsu is the first East Asian woman to be nominated as a Best Supporting Actress. This movie is groundbreaking. And yeah, just again, before we go in and spoil the plot if you haven't watched it, you have to, it'll change your life. And you'll cry a lot. If you're anything like me, you'll probably cry a lot. ROWAN:  I think she feels like a shoo-in for Best Actress.  JAZZA:  Who's she against? ROWAN:  Cate Blanchett. JAZZA:  [16:26] ROWAN:  For Tar. JAZZA:  I rec— so I will be. I can see Cate Blanchett winning, and I will be furious.  ROWAN:  Yeah. I think that— I think that's the most likely thing if Michelle doesn't, because the other ones it's other Michelle, for the fave woman's Michelle Williams, which you know, whatever. It's a film, it's fine, but like I feel like there's been better. Movies about movies and stuff. I think it's only because it's Spielberg talking about himself that anyone cares.  JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  It's Andrea Riseborough for To Leslie, which is like the one everyone jokes about how no one actually knows. That everyone was like what the hell even is that film? When did it even come out? What is it, who cares? Ana De Armas for Blonde, where the hell did that nomination come from? Absolutely unhinged behavior from the Academy, and then Michelle. So I feel like she—she— if there's any justice in the world, will win it. JAZZA:  And also she's—she's like a has a long decorated career, everywhere else apart from the Oscars. And the Oscars generally likes taking these opportunities to award— rewards people who have been such items in the industry, but maybe have never had the— the role has kind of put them in the contention for an award like this.  ROWAN:  Yeah. JAZZA: I think she will win. I think the best picture win is less of a shoo-in. ROWAN:  Screenplay, I think is going to be the contest there is going to be with Banshees. And I think supporting actress—supporting actress Stephanie might be in. I feel like the only one that might—you know actually no because even though it is Angela Bassett, it's for Black Panther, which won't—It won't get it because it's a superhero movie. And the other two for The Whale and Banshees, like the— it's—they weren't big enough roles, I don't think. So it's Stephanie against Jamie Lee Curtis for the same movie, and Stephanie was simply better. So I'm really hoping that we have some— not just like first nominations, but first wins to go with it in the same year. JAZZA:  I'd love it if Mitski beat Lady Gaga as well. [18:30] ROWAN: I love that for you. Right. Should we get into the plot of this movie then? JAZZA:  Yeah, let's do it. [theme] ROWAN:  Okay, so the movie begins with our hero Evelyn doing her taxes, which apparently was the summary of the movie pre-trailers, and even when the trailers were going out because I didn't want to spoil the movie at all. What it was we're going to be before the trailer dropped. So it was just a woman does her taxes was the description on IMDb for a long time, which I think is hysterical. And we essentially get this extremely chaotic scene where we're introduced to a bunch of issues that are going on in her life and complications, including the fact that she's not doing her taxes very well essentially, is one thing that she is, and it kind of hurt her husband on this laundromat which might not be doing too well, business-wise. She has annoying customers, her father is there and— JAZZA:  He's just arrived from China.  ROWAN:  —just arrive from China. And her daughter is gay, has a girlfriend called Becky. The grandfather doesn't know about. And so the daughter has come to basically demand that hey, I just want to tell grand like I don't want to lie to him. I want to tell him what's going on and the fact that Becky is my actual girlfriend, not just like a friend. And she has a very sweet husband that she kind of does—they have this very practice dance where she will like bang the ceiling and he'll know that he needs to come down and but he—there's also slight difficulties in communication. So the husband has like moved a bunch of the clothes for the customers upstairs, so they're not where they should be. And so it's—it's both very like synchronized dance almost situation going on, but with utter chaos because there are things that aren't quite fitting together, which, you know, it's kind of the vibe metaphorically and literally throughout this movie with this— with her life and with the family. JAZZA:  This is the first scene so I don't want to spend too much time on it. But I adore it so much for a couple of reasons. One is the swirling chaos that you talk about, and that I love you [20:37]  describing it as a dance because I've never really thought of it like that. It's also one of the first times I can remember seeing the Chinglish kind of like flow of their language going with like dipping in and out of Mandarin and English, as the two of them are speaking depending on kind of like what they're talking about. When they're talking about external things, so things like their taxes, when Stephanie's girlfriend is coming, and all of those kinds of things, they'll often dip into English. And then when they're talking about their relationship, the fact that Gong Gong is there and all of that kind of stuff, a lot of it is in Mandarin. And they just kind of like that's a part of like bilingual families that I've never really seen before, maybe in kind of like some Spanish media, but definitely not with Chinese, and I love being able to see that. And secondly, I want to ask you, what do you think about the theory that Evelyn has ADHD? ROWAN:  I didn't see that theory. I've not seen that theory before. Until literally I was reading just like the Wikipedia page and stuff to make sure that I hadn't missed any of the plot points while I was like making notes. And it was like yeah, themes, including ADHD. And I was like, huh, interesting. JAZZA:  I think there's a couple of reads of it. One is, this is the modern world that we're in, where we are distracted and having to pay attention to and having to care about things that we don't actually care about. Stuff like taxes and laundry is like the line that goes through the movie. But you can also read it as the this is Evelyn trying to deal with all of the spinning plates, and a mind that is dealing with ADHD. And I love that reading of her, of kind of like, this is how she is trying to kind of like function through the world. And from my experience with ADHD anyway, it feels very—when I'm having like bad days, it feels like this opening scene. And I think that it's portrayed with the editing style and with her acting incredibly, incredibly well. And I'd like this as a reading for the character too. I don't think it's ever like explicitly mentioned, I think it's—I think it is just a theory unless one of the Daniels has mentioned it, ROWAN:  I can definitely see that either way to be honest. I like that. Also, something I think is interesting is I watch everything with subtitles on because otherwise I wouldn't—as someone who doesn't speak anything but English, I wouldn't have noticed the fact that it's both Cantonese and Mandarin, depending on which member the family she's speaking to. So her father speaks Cantonese, and then she speaks Mandarin to Waymond. And I think that's also really interesting these like specific differences, cultural differences, even within this family that I think from the outside people would see as like one distinct group, as like this is a specifically a Chinese-American story. And I like the fact that you've got these elements which are brought in by the people who worked on the film to ensure that it doesn't become something which is sort of the homogenized version of the Asian-American story that might be told by people outside of that group.  JAZZA:  Yeah. It feels so real. It felt so real and really kind of like, it like [23:42] I'm not Asian- American, but I have been around these spaces at all, and it felt incredibly real. Like even though—when Stephanie's character [23:52] ROWAN:  [23:53] Steph's character. JAZZA:  Yeah. When Joy—when Joy as a character is introduced and we see Gong Gong for the first time, hug her granddad for the first time. And she's trying to kind of like get out. She—she understands Chinese, but she's trying to get out like the introduction to Becky and the distain with which her granddad just goes, your Chinese is really getting worse and worse every time I see you. And I've heard—I've heard older members of kind of like, I'm older generations of families, like say that about the other younger generations and like the disdain, like all of those interactions just feel really, really real. ROWAN:  Also, the fact that Joy is— Joy is trying to—it is Evelyn's daughter it's trying to tell her grandfather that Becky has a girlfriend, and she suddenly realizes that she doesn't know the exact version of friend— JAZZA:  Doesn't know how to say it, yeah. ROWAN:  —girlfriend like which again just feels very real. That idea of like if you're someone who's got language for certain things in your life, and like you speak about certain things to your family. I think that's quite telling that that's not necessarily a word that she has at the tip of her tongue to be able to say in Cantonese. That, to me was like very interesting. And then we also have essentially, the end of this interaction is that Evelyn interrupts in Cantonese to describe Becky as a good friend rather than a girlfriend. So deliberately interrupting her daughter, to cover up her daughter's queerness for his grandfather. That she says, you know, he's old, we don't want him to, you know, this would— this would be too difficult for him to deal with. JAZZA:  They keep on talking about how it's going to kill him, [25:24] ROWAN:  [25:25] JAZZA:  [25:25] he's already flown from China for the Chinese New Year [25:27] ROWAN:  It's really difficult. And then essentially Joy leaves really upset. JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  And goes to get in the car to leave. And Evelyn has clearly got this parental love within her that she just cannot express in a way that her daughter understands.  JAZZA:  And so just says that she's fat.  ROWAN:  Yeah, she's like, you need to eat healthier, you're getting fat, which you can understand. And you can tell that it's—it's—she's not trying to say it to be awful. But obviously for Joy without the context of like, we've kind of been in Evelyn's point of view, and we get from the expression on— on her face that she can't just say, I love you so much, I'm sorry. So she has to just say—she's trying to say I care about you by being like, I've noticed something about you. I want you to take care of yourself like this is the way I show I care. But for Joy, she very much just hears, you're fat, you're doing things wrong, this is bad, you're bad. And so we see immediately this like real kind of disconnects between the two of them. This gap in generations, and language and culture, etc, etc. And we just essentially have this whole very chaotic first scene that leads into her meeting with internal revenue, where things are not going to get any easier for her, put it that way. JAZZA:  Yeah, where Jamie Lee Curtis is her IRS agent. So when they go up into the elevator, we see that Waymond has divorce papers with him. And it's kind of like looking at this other older couple who are very affectionate. And you can see him lamenting the fact that he doesn't have that with Evelyn. Going up in the elevator, the elevator is very slow. And then Waymond shuts down opens up again and all of a sudden is like hiding from the cameras and whatever. And he's been Raccacoonie, and he's being puppeted by Waymond from another universe, the Alpha Verse. ROWAN:  Alpha Waymond. JAZZA:  Alpha Waymond. ROWAN:  And it does the classic, I've taken over your body from another universe thing of being like, you're in grave danger. I don't have much time, here are some instructions. I can't say any more. Very, very classic call to adventure vibes, where it's like, I love a mysterious call to adventure like that. It all depends on you kind of energy to it, which is something that's really fun about this movie for me is it's a lot of like follows that process of the call to adventure. The refusal of the call, like all of this stuff that's very Monomyth is very Joseph Campbell, it's very much how Hollywood works. But then there is just such absurdism going on alongside it, and such bizarre stuff that—kind of by its nature, because we find out later that within this multiverse that's happening, that alpha Waymond is from part of the ways in which you're able to jump through the multiverse is by doing something that's statistically bizarre and unlikely. And so the absurdism sort of is written into these small moments of the script, as well as the overall story. But I just really like how it plays with the classic call to adventure, you know, this Alpha Waymond has said, not, this is your destiny, and she refuses it at first. And it's like, no, it's not me, I'm not the person to do this, and then gradually gets pulled into it. But it has these twists to it, which I really, really loved. JAZZA:  And I—I just want to ask, what—what was your favorite like anomaly that somebody had to do? Apart from having to sit on an employee of the month award and then fighting with a [28:50] ROWAN:  I'll tell you my least fucking favorite, Jazza. JAZZA:  Yeah, go on. ROWAN:  Giving yourself four paper cuts. [28:56] JAZZA:  Yeah. The paper-cut one is horrible. ROWAN:  I could not watch that. I could not watch her, it's literally the worst thing I can possibly think of, so I don't think I even now could name you a single one that— that—oh, do you know what else I hated, Waymond, eating chapstick. JAZZA: Yeah, it was sooo— ROWAN:  I hated it so much. JAZZA:  It looked so waxy, and— ROWAN:  But yes. Anyway, so basically all that to say, because I realized I've jumped ahead to like, by the way, there's a multiverse. Get with it people, you should have seen this movie so you should already know about—yes, we meet Jamie Lee Curtis as audit lady, Deirdre is the name? JAZZA:  Deirdre, yes, Deirdre.  ROWAN:  Who is I've just written in my notes, very mean and has butt plugs in the background question mark, question mark. Because I spotted them I was like— JAZZA:  Chekov's— ROWAN:  Are those relevant, like Chekov's butt plug? JAZZA:  Chekov's butt plug. ROWAN:  But essentially Evelyn, who has heard from Alpha Waymond these instructions that she needs to do during this meeting, gets completely overwhelmed. And just I think at the point of like, I have nothing to lose, looks at the end structions and carries them out, which essentially is to swap her shoes over to the other feet to really, really think about the janitor's closet that he wants her to go into. And basically, she finds herself there somehow. What—what in the science fiction? And the screen at this point cracks, and I think it's really interesting to know a little bit of con—a little bit of a behind the scenes info. Apparently, the effects for this movie, which are stunning, were done by like five people. JAZZA:  Yeah, they also had a shoot time of like, of only, I think it was less than a month? [30:36] ROWAN:  That is wild, that is truly wild. Because this one I feel like is where we start to get the sort of the Sci-Fi element the effects, special effects type element with a skink. The screen cracks, and we sort of realized that she is both in the closet now, but also still in front of Jamie Lee Curtis, who I guess from now on, I'm just going to refer to [30:54] as Jamie Lee Curtis. And we get this explanation that there is, you know, from Alpha Waymond, evil spreading throughout the multiverse, it's only you who can help us. While simultaneously getting the stakes of the normal everyday plot, which is that the laundromat could be repossessed, they could lose everything in that timeline. And it's a very stressful scene, because it's essentially, her potentially, like the whole universe is collapsing, but also her life is collapsing. And I think it's a really good example of how stakes that are just really big, like the whole universe is going to be destroyed are not actually necessarily that impactful, it's much more impactful to have something that's like very specific and personal to the character. And then they manage to marry those both together, by making the whole universe is going to be destroyed, personal for her as well, which to me was just like chef's kiss, my favorite version of this kind of storytelling. JAZZA:  So in the Alpha Universe, we find out that Alpha Evelyn was the person who developed this verse jumping technology, which allows you to not necessarily— to, like inhabit the bodies of like yourself in other—depending on all of the branching decisions that you've possibly made all the way through your life. But also allows you to use all of their skills as well. So if for example, oh, let's say you were Michelle Yeoh in another universe, you'd be able to do kung fu because you learned that when you were a film star. So we also found find out that the big bad in the across the multiverse is someone called Jobu Tupaki, who is going around murdering everybody trying to find Evelyn, to what end, we have no idea. ROWAN:  Dun, dun, dun. At this point, she's sort of slightly convinced, not really convinced this is real. She's very confused, and in a fit of confusion punches, Jamie Lee Curtis in the face, who has just offered to give her a little bit of an extension until the end of the day. And the classic, you'll know when it's time to fight, that happened from Alpha Waymond is completely misinterpreted, because she decides, I guess now's the time to fight and just punches this lady in the face. And it's at this point that we get our first like fight sequence of the movie. And I— JAZZA:  I love all of the action sequences here. It's like one big long homage to Jackie Chan movies. It's fucking brilliant. ROWAN:  It's beautiful. And essentially, it's just Waymond getting possessed by Alpha Waymond and using his fanny pack/bumbag, depending on which country you're in, to fight a load of people. And it's beautiful, it's— it's wonderful. It's actually exciting. I have a real big bone to pick with all the movies that do like CGI fight sequences against like, it's just what—two CGI things fighting each other, and I just get so bored. And these fights are consists— actually had like interesting choreography, was very legible as well, because I find that that's really tricky, which was helped by the fact that they film this movie at a very high frame rate, basically, so that they would have the freedom to use slow motion at any point, not just the ones that were scripted. Because if you've ever seen slow motion in older movies, and it looks really janky, it's basically because they put slow motion on something that was filmed at a normal frame rate, meaning that your eye is like used to seeing frames flick way faster, so it looks weirdly disjointed. And so this was this, I think really paid off for them. What I'm sure was very annoying having to film with that kind of high frame rate, I think has really worked because they utilize that so well. And before he does that, he does eat chapstick which again was extremely upsetting to watch. JAZZA:  Very disgusting. So it is revealed to us that Jobu is in fact, Joy. [34:36] ROWAN:  Plot twist. JAZZA:  Got twist plot, and she possesses the Joy in the universe where there—the IRS having a conversation with Jamie Lee Curtis punching Jamie Lee Curtis in the face. And she wanders off somewhere, maybe to come and find Evelyn in our universe, that seems to be what is happening. Evelyn and Waymond and like it's—it's like the IRS building is in lockdown, and so they're hiding. And Jamie Lee Curtis ends up doing her own verse jump, getting the skills of a high-pitch-screaming wrestler we think? And goes around and fights Waymond one on one. But then Waymond goes, because Evelyn is so nervous, doesn't seem to be able to master any verse jumping at all on her own. He goes, you're clearly not the Evelyn I've been looking for, I've gotta go now. Bye. Can you imagine? No. ROWAN:  No, I can't. JAZZA:  Sorry Michelle Yeoh, you're not good enough. And so then she starts herself just doing a load of random shit in order to be able to try and get the skills of her in another universe. ROWAN:  Yeah, she's like what is statistically unlikely just like give me— don't do random stuff to try and make that happen. JAZZA:  She is told before Waymond runs away that saying I love you yo Jamie Lee Curtis will allow her to jump to a universe where she has the abilities of kung fu. She ends up being able to do that when Jamie Lee Curtis's knee drop is literally centimeters away from her nose. ROWAN:  Millimeters, she's so close to getting a knee to the face. JAZZA:  So close to getting a knee to the face. And Evelyn's verse jumps to basically the life of Michelle Yeoh, the actual actress. So interestingly, did you know that Michelle Yeoh was originally asked to play basically herself? And this verse jump, I reckon was meant to actually be our universes, Michelle Yeoh. ROWAN:  I'll— well because they flashed through a bunch of footage, which is of her on various red carpets that she has done previously because it's all movie she's been in. So I was like, I didn't know whether that was meant to be literally jumping to our universe, or whether it was they just use it because it was footage. But either way, I like— I like both—both of those options to be honest. JAZZA:  So she turned it down because she wanted to be taken seriously. [36:59] want to like play herself. But I do like the reading of—and to be honest, that's how I've been interpreting it as well. She's Michelle Yeoh in the other universe, is totally fine. ROWAN:  Yeah. And we also get a little bit of a bunch of law here. So basically, every jump causes a crack, you can re—reseal the cracks, but only with training. You can't stay in a universe isn't your own that you've jumped to, because you could die, or worse. And essentially, we find out what the worst option is, is what happened to Jobu aka Joy, were in the Alpha Verse, that version of Joy's mind was splintered because Alpha Everlyn essentially pushed her too far. She made verse jump too many times. And now she's experiencing all of the universe, everywhere all at once.  JAZZA:  All at once. ROWAN:  Everything, It's the title. And so she can verse jump, but also sort of manipulate matter itself at will seemingly. And so no one knows what Jobu wants, they just know that she's looking for Evelyn. And we—this essentially is like a little dump, but it doesn't necessarily feel like a bad law dump or like just exposition because you're listening to it going. Okay, okay, this is all information that I do need because right now, I don't know what the hell is going on. Because I am Evelyn, and I'm just like, oh, God, I just want to go back and finish my taxes, I guess, and be Michelle on the red carpet. But that is not her fate, unfortunately. JAZZA:  So there's—out of this law dump come. I think two of the strongest themes of the movie that resonate with people the most, one is intergenerational, the differences between generations, and how relationships between generations are pressured from first-generation immigrants. So the fact that in the Alpha Universe,  Evelyn pushed Joy too hard, made her crack, made her resent. And kind of like reflecting those sometimes difficult relationships, that it's similar across other phenomena like working-class parents, but especially with immigrant parents, that experience being represented there. And then also, the whole idea of fracturing, and each choice that you make in your life, creating a completely new branch of reality and possibility, really reflects people who choose to or are forced to go to another country to uproot themselves and go to another country. Evelyn, when she becomes Michelle Yeoh, and gets the skills of Michelle Yeoh, gets to see the world that she would have had and the life she would have had if she had never left for the United States with Waymond. And there's always whenever you leave a place, you make one of those big decisions. There's always the thought of oh my god, what would my life be like if I never left? Would it be better if I never left? The life I have now it's a struggle. Would it have been better if I had just stayed? And that I love the way that that is pulled through to the whole idea of kind of like the alternate realities and splintering. Like this is I think Sci-Fi and I didn't even really think of this as Sci-Fi until I saw it classified as such on IMDb. But this is Sci-Fi as its—at its absolute best, as a reflection of the real-world phenomena that happen for so many people. ROWAN:  Yeah, I've been reading a bunch of like reviews and this is one that I think touches on that really nicely critic for The Washington Post. [40:22] says it's not only that the multiverse acts as a metaphor for the immigrant Asian-American experience, or a convenient parable for the dislocations and personality splits suffered by hyphenated that is Asian-American citizens. It also becomes a rather heavy vehicle for confronting and negotiating Asian pessimism, which I think is a really interesting idea of like, yeah, the— the literal hyphenation of you the— the ways in which your identity is split between and across, being something that's mirrored quite literally in this like cracking that's happening across these different multiverses. We also see at this point like the powers that Jobu has which includes like confetti cannoning a man's body apart. And various other very exciting, very exciting things which we lo—you know, I'm like, you know what I love to see, but also you are absolutely terrifying. JAZZA:  Also if no, I'm sorry, I'm turning giant dildos into a murder weapon.  ROWAN:  Yes, stunning. JAZZA:  This [41:18] and dildos, brilliant. ROWAN: Very into it. At this point, we also get Michelle jumping to a universe where everyone has hot dogs instead of fingers, I'm losing my mind. Just incredible work all around. And also, we get this moment where we're starting to see the big universal multiverse drama and the personal drama clash together, when Michelle basically is—is separating Jobu as a concept from her daughter Joy, because she says, you're the reason my daughter doesn't call anymore and dropped out of college and thinks that she's gay. So there's a sense of like, everything that's bad is not actually Joy, it's Jobu taking over her body or influencing her in some way, or being connected to her. And that she thinks that being gay is like one of these bad things like not caring and not having ambition. And being gay is like one of these things that she still doesn't support, which I think is— is very telling when we look at before where she—her excuse for not telling the granddad is like, oh, he's old, it's kind of like saying, oh, it's you know, he's old, he might be— it might like kill him all this kind of stuff, but never really admitting that she herself finds this difficult to deal with. And so we are like, this is going to be a journey for her as well in that way. And this is where we get to the bagel. JAZZA:  Before we get to the bagel. ROWAN:  Okay. JAZZA:  This is— this is where I'm like, this is an explicitly queer movie.  ROWAN:  Yeah. JAZZA:  It's not just kind of like a fact, this is about the queer experience. And something that I've only recently like clocked onto, I've watched this movie. I've watched the movie six times. In the—in the hot dog hand universe, I didn't even clock that the Ja— that Jamie Lee Curtis and Michelle Yeoh, in a queer relationship.  ROWAN:  How did you not clock that? JAZZA:  I just like, obviously, I knew that it existed, but I never like when—oh, like Evelyn is also potentially at least in one of these universes, is queer as well. And showing kind of like those—a lot of this movie is about being distracted and caring about things that don't actually in the grand scheme of things matter, and deciding what you actually care about. We see that when Jobu is busy kind of like massacring all of these bodyguards. And goes, wait, you're still hung up on the fact that I'm gay in this universe? As kind of like, I can't believe that this is something that this Evelyn has decided to actually still fixate on. And it's— I think that there is a possible reading here where Evelyn herself is maybe queer in some way, shape, or form. But because of the fact that she was born in particular culture, comes from a particular time, got married to somebody who's actually trying to divorce her, was never able, and never had the freedom to be able to actually experiment with herself and—and find out about herself in that way. And actually, one of the many reasons that many people choose to emigrate and find a new life in another country, is so that they— their children can have a better opportunities and be able to kind of like be whoever they want to be. But then there is sometimes this brush up against who your kid then, therefore, wants to be, you'll have critic— critiques of like, oh, you've become too American. I don't understand all of this queerness and things like that. And I I love that kind of like relationship between Evelyn and Joy—oh, Jobu being represented here. But yeah, they're showing the bagel. ROWAN:  Yeah, then there's a bagel. So basically Jo—okay, listen, stay with me here you guys. Jobu has created a bagel. And everything bagel with everything on it. That's quite literally everything in the world. All concepts, all matter, all things, which is all also kind of created a black hole that could destroy the entire multiverse. Classic. But Jobu is basically like nothing matters, so who cares? Let's all just get sucked into a bagel, that's a vibe for me.  JAZZA:  She's experienced Everything Everywhere All at Once. And therefore is like, well, everything matters, therefore nothing matters—matters. So what the fuck is the point anymore? ROWAN:  Yeah. JAZZA:  What is this world? ROWAN:  Yeah. JAZZA:  Essentially is Jobu's philosophy. ROWAN:  Just total nihilism, just total, just like screw everything. And this is the interesting thing, right? We've heard the idea that she's looking for Evelyn, but we don't know why. And what she basically wants is for Evelyn to come into the bagel with her and for them to be dead and gone, and not have to experience anything, and just be free of the like agonies of life, and living, and experience. And it's kind of like Jobu, where's your therapist, I beg of you. We need— we need to, we need to sit down and talk about the bagel babes. JAZZA:  So we—basically Jobu goes to Evelyn,  I wanted somebody else to experience this with me. Her and her mother is really the only one who is able to because she invented verse jumping. Evelyn doesn't want Joy—she doesn't want joy to feel like this. She doesn't want Joy to have this nihilism as like the basis of her existence. And so Evelyn decides to do the thing that Waymond earlier said was worse than death, and splinter her mind so that she is across as many different universes as possible so that she experiences the same thing as her daughter. And so that she can get there and then bring her back. Essentially, this is the way. So we end up with Evelyn jumping to get the powers of somebody in one of the universes as she falls over and blind herself and then becomes an opera singer. As we all know, in one universe, she is one of those pizza sign spinners and manages to use that in some fighting. ROWAN:  She is a chef who is friends with a man, who is being Ratatouilled by a raccoon. JAZZA:  By a raccoon, Raccacoonie. ROWAN:  Classic. JAZZA:  Which is a better movie, it would have been a better movie,  I think. [theme] JAZZA:  Hello, friends Jazza here from another space and another time. Just popping in to humbly ask you to consider supporting this podcast financially. It makes a huge difference, and it keeps us on the airwaves, frankly. If you like what we're doing and want to support queer media, then you can sign up for our Patreon for as little as $5 a month. For that fee, that low fee less than like a fancy Starbucks, you can become a [47:47] called Baby Gay. And as a Baby Gay, you get access to our thriving Discord with hundreds of members who all chat about, not only movies but queer media and general chitchat that they love. It's a really lovely community. We've been going crazy about stuff like The Last of Us episodes and all of the Oscars hype. It's been a good time in the Discord recently. What's more, those Baby Gays get to join our monthly watch-along, which really is the jewel in the crown of our Patreon perks where we all watch a movie together once a month. In the run-up to the Oscars, we'll be watching something Oscars themed. Maybe The Whale, maybe not. If that sounds fun to you, check out our Patreon for that and many other perks. It really does keep the podcast afloat, especially in these difficult times. So thank you very much for considering supporting us. As returning listeners, know we are part of Multitude a collective of creators who make audio nibbles that you can listen to [48:48] really, really good. 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So go over to Multitude Patreon and consider having a look there and seeing what you might be interested in, it can really be worth it. We are also still supported by Squarespace, who can help you to buy a domain and create a website. So a friend of mine was putting together an event in New York. Did I mention I live in New York now? And had a ton of amazing artwork that they had made in order to accompany this event. I was very naughty, and I told them to use our link, which is squarespace.com/queermovie. And I'm going to tell you what I told them, dear listener, that then convinced them to use our code. So not only does Squarespace allow you to centralize all of your assets, and platform presences in one place. It also lets you set up a shop where people can buy things from you, or even donate if they feel so inclined. Not only that high-tech analytics present a pretty good overview of how your posts are doing, how your content is doing, what's selling well. And it's all done with pretty, pretty graphics, so you can tell what is working and what isn't. And it also makes all events in New York instantly successful. Yeah, it's true. All you have to do in order to get all of those good things, maybe not the successful New York event stuff. All you have to do is go to squarespace.com/queermovie. And when you're set up to make all of your digital dreams come true, you can use the offer code, QUEERMOVIE that's all one word, to save 10% points off of your first purchase of a website or a domain. Remember to go to squarespace.com/queermovie. Now, back to the show. [theme] ROWAN:  I have to ask at this point Jazza, have we reached act two yet? I forget when act two happens. JAZZA:  Okay. So, so that was Act One, by the way, listener that was— ROWAN:  [51:39] JAZZA:  Handily, handily the movie splits it into three acts for us, that was everything. And then we go into act two, which is everywhere, but what I have also called the party and its aftermath. Because [51:54] ROWAN:  Because the New Year's party is happening. JAZZA:  Yeah, because as Evelyn's mind is cracking and she gets exposed to all of this and she becomes susceptible to all of the nihilism, by the way, that is in this just before this section, a fight scene with Michelle Yeoh and two people with butt plugs in them because that's the thing they had to do to get the martial arts skills.  ROWAN:  Classic. JAZZA:  Amazing. One of the greatest pieces of cinema—cinema ever fucking made. I'm just annoyed, the whole thing was pixelated. But we ended up with her suspecting to the nihilism. And then she also just kind of like gives up and it feels like Evelyn, well, she dies, she dies in this one universe and then get sucked into the universe where she's having the Chinese New Year's celebration, where the IRS are arriving, and they're going to possess everything. ROWAN:  I have my notes here was New Year's party is coming, there will be so much aftermath. Because I'm sure at this point, everyone has listened to the podcast already. But if you haven't, there is always an act in gay movies, that's the party in its aftermath. And they literally threw a party and they kept talking about this party. And I was like, we're gonna get so much fucking aftermath. We love to see it. So yeah, basically, we've reached—she's reached a point in this movie where she's basically like, yeah, you're right, everything is random and meaningless. Every single verse that I—that she's in, because she's in every universe all at once, all the time with her daughter. JAZZA:  It's the movie, it's the title of the movie. ROWAN:  It's the title of a movie. She's piñata in one universe, she's a rock in one universe, she's made of animation in one of the universe— JAZZA:  Ah, the rock universe. ROWAN:  —You've never—who would have thought that the rocks could make us feel so many fucking emotions. And there's a really, really sad bit where basically, Joy says to Evelyn, like, I was really hoping that someone else would have this experience, have themselves crack in this way. And then tell me that they had figured it out and everything was okay. And that I was just—I was just thinking about this wrong, and they would experience it and they will be able to tell me the meaning of life, and tell me what was actually happening and what I should be living for. And that hasn't happened because you essentially have turned just as chaotic and nihilistic and like, everything is meaningless as I have. And that was pretty— that's pretty rough. That's a pretty rough message for us to get at this point in the movie. So you know, spoiler alert, though, it gets better. JAZZA:  Yeah. So as Evelyn kind of gives up, and he's about to step into the bagel, Waymond steps up, normal Waymond, not Alpha Waymond, because he's dead now, he died at some point. This is when I begin sobbing because Waymond is just being like, I don't understand why everybody is fighting. Why can't everybody just be kinder to one another? So this is where we have the trifecta, and it is complete. So we have Joy, who is nihilism, we have Evelyn who is existentialism, and then we have Waymond, who is optimism and absurdism. So those three philosophies, kind of interacting as these three main characters and the different ways that they go to the world, nihilism obviously everything is obviously, you read Wikipedia. Nihilism, obviously being where nothing matters, so why should you care? Existentialism is we can find meaning in kind of like the choices that we make in our live, And absurdism is kind of like finding the—it realizing how ridiculous everything is, and so laughing along with it anyway. And that optimism that can potentially come with that. So these few characters represent that, Those like three philosophies for life. And this speech from Waymond is—is one of the most heartwarming wonderful things because I think it's—it's such an optimistic take on humanity. And sometimes we need that optimism and I— I fucking loved it. So Waymond ended up influencing Evelyn. Evelyn realizes that the thing that is going to get her through this, even though that she is seeing that nothing matters, the thing that matters to her is Joy, her daughter, and so she decides that she is now going to help everybody else who's trying to fight her, including Jamie Lee Curtis. She's going to fight everybody and find out what they're thi—the thing that brings them joy. So she faces off against all of these minions. Jamie Lee Curtis, what is Jamie Lee Curtis's joy? Isn't it—is it— Jamie Lee Curtis finds out that she's lovable. There's one character—oh, the Raccacoonie guy, realizes he really loves being controlled by raccoons. ROWAN:  He is played by Mike from Glee as well.  JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  Which I immediately clocked and was like, absolutely perfect. Love it, beautiful. That boy I was like if they don't make him dance at some point during this, it would have been a wasted movie. And he does have a little bit of like more fight choreography style stuff, but I'm like I can see your dance roots in there, Harry, I can see them. JAZZA:  And she makes two people dance and they become married in one universe. One of the Daniels, one of the directors, she takes him into another universe and exposes him to S&M and that's what brings him joy. ROWAN:  I—the fact— I didn't know that—that was one of the Daniels, [57:06]  JAZZA:  That's one of the Daniels. ROWAN:  I love that even more. JAZZA:  It's so fucking brilliant. And then she reaches—so Jobu has summoned the bagel that's going to destroy everything and she's about to step into it. And am I sobbing? Yes, I still am. Jobu goes to like start to fight Evelyn her mother, and then Evelyn also like does like some kung fu, goes to fight, and then opens her arms to try and hug her. And eventually, Evelyn like they started rustling in tussling, and Evelyn, let Jobu go into the despair of the bagel. And that's kind of like—that's kind of like the way that this thing— no it isn't. ROWAN:  Uh-huh tricks you— tricks you guys. So this I think is— okay, so again, what I found really interesting that I've just talked about before the idea of the big multiverse fight sequence finale, versus the very personal finale, and that the very personal is almost always going to be more interesting. And they tied it together so well because they have the really dramatic like, no don't go into the bagel, like trying to save her daughter she's being pulled in, which is like a very physically dramatic finale. But the actual moment is that it has that pathos and have that emotionality to it, is within our Evelyn's universe at this party where essentially Evelyn is like Joy is saying to Evelyn, like, we're just too different. You know, I'm tired, I just want to go, like us being together hurts the both of us, we need to go our separate ways. Let me go. And so her version of letting me go is very literal. Like I—we just need to be apart from each other. Like I get that we're mother and daughter but we just fucking make each other miserable. And it's this clear parallel to like the very dramatic Sci-Fi let me go into this bagel situation. And that that to me is just so perfect. And then in between we get the set— we get like the absurdist version of them as rocks and having this scene where— JAZZA:  With googly eyes like we haven't even mentioned the googly eyes. ROWAN:  Oh Joy's googly eye rock falling off a cliff. And then Evelyn's rock just falling after her. Oh, it's so beautiful. JAZZA:  Like literally laughing and crying at stationary rocks that have subtitles. Like how has this—how does the [59:26] do that? Oh, it's so fucking good. ROWAN:  It's essentially like we also get this again like very human ideas of like change and Evelyn being kind of taking up the call, so like breaking the cycle with her dad the idea of like, my daughter ended up being this like stubborn aimless mess just like her mother, and she's perfect that way. And that she gave someone— she says you gave her someone kind patient and forgiving to make up for all that she likes. Talking about her and Waymond, and her understanding of Waymond now, being so much clearer than it was at the beginning. That this is like helped her marriage, helped her relationship with her daughter. Just oh, she's—and also the idea of like, yeah, it doesn't make sense. You're saying the universe doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense that I would be like, still love you even though you only visit when you need something. And like I— you know, I hate tattoos and your covered in them and like, I could be anywhere else in the entire world. In fact, at this point, she's like a good bit anywhere else in the multiverse, it doesn't make sense, but like, just want to be with you. And like, it doesn't matter if it doesn't make sense, essentially. And I weep and I cry, and so does Jazza. Jazza at this point is just simply 100% tear. JAZZA:  Can I say—so I watched it this morning at an AMC and I cried so much. Have you ever cried so much that you dehydrated and you don't have any more tears?  ROWAN:  Yeah, all the time. JAZZA:  That was me— I've met—that's never happened to me before, yeah. ROWAN:  [1:00:49] like a headache, a headache that just all come fucking zooming. And so that essentially, in every single universe, they reconcile, there's no universe that she wants to be where her daughter isn't. And that has always been her strength throughout this, right? So like, we have this bit at the beginning where she says, like, you're getting fat, you need to look after yourself, whatever. But like in her actions, she shows that she cares about her daughter. She's willing to go through the thing that will like split her consciousness and like destroy her mind and maybe make her go crazy, and potentially she'll be dead. But she's immediately like, as soon as she knows that, that's an option, that it might help her daughter she does it. And so in her actions, she's showing love from the very beginning, and it just feels like it's about being able to show it in a way that her daughter can appreciate and a language in which they both understand, both like, you know, metaphorically and literally, and vice versa, that they can both kind of start to understand each other. And know that meaning is the meaning that they make

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