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In this episode, the focus is on clergy abuse—a topic made even more pressing by recent headlines. The featured guest, Sandy Phillips Kirkham, shares her harrowing ordeal of being abused by a charismatic youth pastor starting at the age of 16. Sandy discusses the grooming process, the five years of abuse, and how she was ultimately expelled from her church while her abuser was merely relocated. She delves into the long-lasting impact of the abuse on her life and her spiritual journey, how she concealed her trauma for 27 years, and how she ultimately confronted her abuser. Sandy also provides valuable insights and actionable advice for preventing abuse and supporting victims within church communities. Her story is also detailed in her book, ‘Let Me Prey on You,' which offers a detailed account of her journey from victim to advocate. 00:00 Introduction and Sponsor Message 00:47 Welcome to the Podcast 01:32 Introducing Today's Topic: Clergy Abuse 02:17 Sandy Phillips Kirkham's Early Life and Church Involvement 06:22 Meeting the Abuser: The Charismatic Youth Pastor 08:43 Red Flags and Grooming Tactics 13:51 The First Inappropriate Act 16:37 The Abuse Escalates 21:06 The Aftermath and Church's Response 28:15 Life After Abuse: Marriage and Keeping Secrets 32:09 Protecting Future Generations 35:17 The Importance of Sex Education in the Church 36:32 Techniques for Discussing Sex with Children 37:22 Personal Experiences with Sex Education 38:20 Triggering Memories and Emotional Breakdown 40:13 The Journey of Healing Begins 41:31 Understanding Clergy Abuse and Self-Forgiveness 43:52 Confronting the Abuser 47:07 Challenges in Seeking Justice 54:47 Preventing Abuse in the Church 01:00:31 Supporting Victims of Clergy Abuse 01:05:07 Final Thoughts and Resources Sandy Kirkham and her husband Bill enjoy life with their two grown children, two beautiful granddaughters, and two fairly well-behaved dogs. Sandy continues to use her voice to help victims of clergy abuse. She currently serves on the board of Council Against Child Abuse. Sandy has spoken before the Ohio Senate, a Maryland court, and appeared on a local television show in Boston. Her story, “Stolen Innocence,” was told in a documentary produced by The Hope of Survivors. Sandy works with survivors conducting victim support conferences. She has participated in The Voice of the Faithful (VOTF) panels moderated by SNAP (Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests), sharing her perspective from the non-Catholic point of view. Sandy has been a presenter/speaker at major events on clergy abuse including the Hope & Healing Conference. 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We're going to be talking about clergy abuse today. Religious leader, abuse. Pastor, youth leader. You've seen this in the news recently with all these preachers being arrested or charged with sexual misconduct or rape or [00:02:00] pedophilia. I'm sure you've seen the news. Well, today we're going to hear a story about a woman who's been victimized in that way and she's fighting back. So let me read her bio for you. A church is where an insecure 16-year-old girl should feel welcome, happy, and most importantly, safe tragically. For some, the church can become a place of great harm. Sandy Phillips Kirkham details her account of how charismatic youth minister preyed upon her, a betrayal which left her broken with a shattered faith and the ultimate shame of being blamed enforced from the church she loved. Despite a successful and happy life, is a wife, mother, and friend. Sandy successfully concealed her abuse for [00:03:00] 27 years until a trigger forced her to face the truth. Sandy's story will take you on her journey of healing. Her strength and courage will inspire you. Let me pray upon you her book details. Sandy's journey from innocent 16-year-old, a victim to a survivor, and advocate. We please welcome Sandy Phillips. Kirk, welcome Sandy to the show. Thanks so much for coming on. Well, thank you for having me. I'm glad to be here. Wow. So I've been listening to you on the Preacher Boys podcast and thought you had a really great story, and so I wanted to come and bring you on so my listeners can hear your story as well. Mm-hmm. So tell us a little bit about your home and your church environment growing up. Let's [00:04:00] start from the beginning here. Okay. I'm the oldest of five. My parents were divorced when I was about seven, which that was really the impact of my life, of just how it altered everything about that time in my life. Then my mother remarried and we moved in with my stepfather shortly after my father remarried, and so I was dealing with these blended families and it was just very confusing for me at the time, my parents and stepfather did not attend church. So I, I wasn't a part of a church until I was about eight, and that's when my best friend who lived up the street invited me to go with their family, and I went with them and I went every Sunday after that, I absolutely fell in love with church. It was a place that I felt safe. I think it provided for me a place away from home that I felt comfortable and I got attention there. I was very active even as a small child. I went to vacation Bible school, church camp, love Sunday School. I sang in a junior choir. Really, it was a just a great place for me to [00:05:00] be. When I was 13, I was baptized and then my faith really deepened and my involvement in the church became even more so, started teaching Sunday school and teaching vacation Bible school. I started serving on committees with adults and doing more of the activities that would, , just be more in depth than just typical youth group activities. So, it's just no exaggeration to say that if the doors of the church were open, I was there and I loved it. I loved serving God. I felt that was the place for me, and everything about it was brought me joy and peace in the church. Wow. You really, were very sincere in your faith. It was not a fake one. I hear a lot of stories of. Being brought up in the church and being made to go to church and, you just go through the motions kind of thing. But it sounds like it was the opposite for you. It was that you really believed this with all your heart. Was that a fundamental Baptist church you were going [00:06:00] to or what? It was a church, Christ Christian Church, which is similar to the Baptist. It's an independent church. Yeah, that's the church. That was so something happened while you were serving the Lord and loving God. You met your abuser? Yes. Shortly after I turned 16, our church hired a new youth pastor, and from the moment he arrived, he was totally different than anyone we'd ever seen before. He was very charismatic, very dynamic. His sermons were really like nothing we'd ever heard before, and people were just drawn to him. He had a personality that people found themselves wanting to be around him. They wanted to please him. So he was very good at asking people to do things and they didn't hesitate. It, it was just a different kind of atmosphere. When he came to the church, the youth group exploded in numbers. We went from like 25 to almost 200 in a very short time. Even the [00:07:00] adult church was growing because people just came to hear him preach because he was so good at what he did. He was 30, married with two children, but he really acted more like our age group. He dressed like we did. He. Went to our football games at school, he knew our music. So he just, he really, he was tuned into us and in return we found ourselves, all of us being willing to please him and wanna do anything we could to make the youth group and the church better. So when people think of a profile of a child abuser, they usually think, oh, some dirty old man, that his roaming fingers or what have you, but this youth pastor sounded like, okay, he was really good looking and hip and really loved the young people. Mm-hmm. Is that typical of. Well, it's, it's typical in the sense that it's not the, dirty old man hiding in the bushes. Most abusers [00:08:00] are people we know. They're people that we like. They're usually people that, connect with people very well, and that's what makes them so dangerous because they're not obvious with what they do, and they're very good at that. They pretend to be one of us. They pretend to care, but in reality, their goal is to find a way to take advantage of the most vulnerable in, in the group. And so, predators are usually drawn to places where they will find vulnerable people. The gymnastics team is an example of that. The Boy Scouts, anywhere where you can, and certainly the church because we are welcoming into people who are in need. Oftentimes. Then there are many people in the church who are vulnerable to these types of men, and sometimes women. Were there any red flags? That you should have seen or noticed when you were around this youth pastor? Well, he came with so many different ideas and different ways of doing things. And one of the things that he was doing now, this was in the [00:09:00] seventies, so cultures were changing and it was free love and kind of thing. But he came into our church and he expected everyone to hug each other. So we were always hugging each other. And he also expected us to say how much we loved each other and that we love you and not just that I love you in Christ. He would simply walk up, give you a hug and say, I love you. Now you know, that may seem innocent, but that's a little odd for that pastor to be saying those kinds of things. And it also blurs the lines because when you say to someone, I love you, that can be confusing to. Young teenagers and even to vulnerable adults. So, but he did that with everybody. It wasn't like he picked someone else special, but, so the hugging in the contact was kind of a red flag in the beginning. But for me personally, I babysat for his family. His wife worked evenings. Mm-hmm. So one night after he came home, he asked me to go to his basement and listen to a song by Neil Diamond. [00:10:00] Well, it felt a little weird 'cause I'd never. I've been around a pastor that wanted to talk to me about anything but church in the Bible. But I went to the basement. Yeah. I mean a Neil Diamond song. So I went to the basement. I know, but that's a trigger factor for me sometimes. So anyway, I went to the basement and he put this record on and I sat down on the couch and instead of sitting in a chair or another place, he came on the couch and sat very close to me. And I remember feeling uncomfortable, but I didn't say anything. 'cause I thought, well, he is just sitting next to me. It's no big deal. But that's a red flag that I felt because it felt uncomfortable to me. And then the other times that I would babysit for him. His wife wouldn't come home till late in the evening, so he would come home around seven or eight and after the kids were in bed, instead of taking me home, he wanted me to sit and talk with him all evening. So we'd talk about the Bible or we'd talk about church, and sometimes he'd ask me what I thought of his [00:11:00] sermon, which at age 16, I'm flattered that this man has any idea that I would have some opinion about this great sermon that he just gave. So I didn't see anything wrong with that because he's my pastor. But had that occurred with my 30-year-old neighbor down the street, every time I went to babysit, I know I would've come home to my mother and said, okay, this is weird. Mm-hmm. Every time I babysit, this man wants to sit and talk to me all evening. I mean, what interest would I have as a teenager wanting to talk to this 30-year-old married man? But because my pastor was who he was and he tapped into our common connection of the church and God, and again, many times he would give me books to read 'cause he wanted me to get better in my deep, in my spirituality. So I didn't see anything wrong with it because of who he was. And so I just accepted that behavior, which is another tool and technique. They look for ways to get into you. Mm-hmm. [00:12:00] That don't seem obvious. And that was, so those were two red flags for me. Now as far as the congregation goes, I was in his office a lot by myself, but so were other kids, because he would actually call us into his office and say, I want you to come in and tell me what's going on in your life. Talk to me about your problems. Instead of us going to him, he would encourage us to come into his office. So while that probably wasn't a good thing, no one saw it as a bad thing. It seemed normal, but he called me into his office a lot more than the other kids. And later on there were people who did say to me, there were times when I wondered why he said something to you like that, or I noticed something one time. And so I think people notice some things, but no one thought enough of it to say, okay, there's something going on that doesn't seem right. So those were the red flags that I think in the beginning were very subtle. But they were hard to see, [00:13:00] and this is really important to distinguish these things because I was groomed by a guidance counselor in seventh grade. Mm-hmm. But he was one of those dirty old men that, he was doing creepy stuff. Yeah. But I never would have seen myself. A pastor and he's talking about spiritual things and he's talking about God and mm-hmm. He's not talking about sex. He's not watching, you're not watching dirty movies together. No, he's not, buying you sexy lingerie. It's, Hey, he's doing spiritual things. Mm-hmm. It's a setup. It's that grooming process you're talking about. It's pulling someone in to gain their trust, in a very di diabolical way, because he's using the church to do that. That's really scary. That scares mm-hmm. Scares me to death. What were the first times that he did something really inappropriate that you were just like, whoa? Well, the very [00:14:00] first time, was after a youth group meeting that was held in my home. I was the song leader. He put me in a leadership position, and it was very important to him that the evening always go well and that we were to make people feel welcome. And so at the end of the evening, I was nervous because I wanted to make sure that he thought everything went well. And he came up to me in my hallway and began telling me how great the evening was and how proud he was of me. And I was on Cloud nine. I was flattered that he felt that way. I felt good that the evening went so well. And then he just slowly bent down and he kissed me. And it wasn't, it was a kiss, but it seemed somewhat innocent to some extent. And I, I remember thinking, I think he just kissed me. Then my next thought was, well, he's my pastor and I don't think he would be doing anything he shouldn't be doing. And it was just a quick kiss. And he's always hugging people. And so maybe this is just his way of showing his appreciation for the evening. It was really [00:15:00] the only way in my 16-year-old mind that I could justify it because I couldn't think about this man doing anything he shouldn't be doing. And this was a person that everyone loved and thought so highly of, so how could I think he was doing something he shouldn't be doing? So I just let it go. I didn't think anything more about it. I mean, did you have any sex ed or anything? Did you know the birds and bees? Nine. Well, yeah, I'm 16. I did. Yeah, I did. But I wasn't, I hadn't dated much. I wasn't allowed to date till I was 16, so I hadn't had any dating experience. I had one kiss before this with a boy at camp. So I wasn't. Worldly or knowledgeable about all those things. But, and again, it was such a quick innocent type kiss. He didn't grab me, he didn't push me against the wall. I just, and again, I think for me it was okay if he's, if this is more than just a kiss, then what do I do with it? So therefore I'm just gonna say it's [00:16:00] nothing because I don't know what else to do. Um, wow. I let it go. I let it go. But as I babysat for him, he, sometimes when I would leave, he would kiss me and sometimes he wouldn't. So, I didn't see it as a con, kind of a continual thing that he was always wanting to kiss me. He always hugged me. But the kissing became more intense as it went along. So it, it would be another year, before he would have sex with me. And so that grooming process and kind of pushing the boundaries each time he was with me, finally ended with him having sex with me. Oh, wow. Now, some of us listening are like an adult having sex with a child or 16-year-old. Can you unpack that a little bit more, the process of how he got to that point? I mean, that the first time you had intercourse, I mean, did he, you know, go to a hotel with you and you had a candlelight dinner, or was it in the backseat of the car?[00:17:00] Was it an accident? It wasn't an accident. He was very deliberate and I had every intentions of having sex with me that night. I babysat, I was babysitting, I put the kids to bed, I walked down the steps. I assumed that we would go into the living room. Or the family room, sit on the couch and talk about the things we always talked about. But instead, he stopped me at the bottom of the stairs and he took me into the living room, and immediately put me on the floor and began undressing me. Um, and wow, I froze. I, I literally froze and I kept thinking to myself, he's going to stop. He's going to stop. And that the entire time he's whispering into my ear how much he loves me, that he would never hurt me, and that he can, I can trust him. And then he kept asking me, do you love me? Do you love me? And I, of course, I'm answering yes, because well, yes I do, because that's what I've told him for the past year. I, I, I just, I was so confused and what my real reaction was, I froze. Mm-hmm. Um, he, he sort of pushed my head under the [00:18:00] stereo. And so when he is starting to get farther than I thought he would ever go. I blocked, I just blocked it out and I started reading the serial numbers underneath the stereo. Oh my goodness. Just to be thinking of anything else. Um, at one point he then just picked me up and took me upstairs. He literally put me on the bed, penetrated me, and that was it. And I was horrified. I was absolutely horrified. I, I wanted to cry. I didn't know what to say. I didn't know what to do. Um, he left the room, told me to get dressed, and he would take me home. And I remember sitting on the bed and I put the bedspread around me because I was so embarrassed that I didn't have my clothes on. Mm-hmm. Oh, wow. Um, and then I just remember thinking I just had sex. I'm no longer a virgin. I just had sex with this man and. He took me home. Now, in the [00:19:00] book, of course, I go into a little bit more detail, but Right, he took me home and just before I got outta the car, he said to me, now, you know, this is something between the two of us, you can't tell anyone. And of course I'm thinking, who would I tell? I, I don't want anybody to know. I just did this. So, that was the first time. And then I think I, at that point I kept thinking, you know, I've had sex with him. So now I'm committed to him again. I'm at this point, I'm 17 years old. I'm still like, what do I do with this? I don't, I don't know what to do with this. Um, and he was convincing me that he loved me. He was convincing me that he needed me in his ministry and that God, this was God's will in our lives. He threw that at me. Eventually he would say to me that we were married in God's eyes. I mean, twisting the scripture and using God as a reason that we should be together. And so. I started to accept that. There were a couple times I went to him and told him that I couldn't do this anymore. I felt [00:20:00] guilty. He would respond in one of two ways. One, he would say to me how much he needed me, how much he loved me, and that he couldn't live without me. So that was the guilt part of it. Or he would respond and by saying to me, you know, you're no longer a virgin. No one else is gonna want you. I'm the only one that knows how to love you, and you are committed to me, and this is gonna be the way it is. And I saw no way out. I didn't see a way out. And so the relationship continued for five years. Wow. Five years. It went on for five years. That is a long time. And it, during that time, he became more aggressive physically. Uh, he hit me. He became sexually more deviant. It just progressed. It got worse and worse. And to a point that I finally, I was, my self-esteem was so low. I hated myself for what I'd been doing. So I finally just accepted that this was my life. I knew [00:21:00] I'd never get married. I knew I'd never have children, and this wouldn't be over until he said it was over. This went on for five years and nobody in the church noticed it. Your parents didn't notice it. You know, people say, well, where were your parents? Well, first of all, my parents were thrilled. I was in church. I mean, this was a time in the seventies when drugs were. Prevalent girls were, having free sex. So for them, what safer place could there be than to be in church? So, and they saw his intention toward me and his involvement with me as a good thing. I mean, he would take me on hospital visits with him. I mean, they saw this as being positive. And they knew how much I loved being there and that it was a place that I liked to go. So they didn't see it. And many in the church didn't see it began because who suspects the pastor of such behavior. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And especially in the seventies when this wasn't an open topic like it is now, you wouldn't have dared thought anything like that. And so [00:22:00] it's not uncommon for people in the church, to miss the signs and to ignore what they really do see, because they just can't believe that it would be something that would be happening in their church because then they'd have to do something about it. Yes, exactly. When did it all come crumbling down? It does crumble. Eventually it does. Two elders became suspicious and followed him one night and found us together in a hotel room. And then from then on, the next month and a half was an absolute nightmare for me. Hmm. It was initially hoped that they could keep what he had done, quiet and keep it from the congregation. Now, I have to say one thing before I forget. This wasn't his first incident of sexual misconduct. Oh. Prior to and just after he was awri, he arrived at our church. A young woman from his first church came forward and accused him of sexual misconduct. When he was [00:23:00] confronted by my elders, he didn't deny it. He said it was true. He asked for forgiveness, that it would never happen again. It was a mistake. So within six months. That's when he was kissing me in my hallway. So this, so these elders were aware that this was the second time that there had been an incident with this man of sexual abuse and misconduct. But in spite of that, they tried to keep it quiet in hopes of moving him to another church. And so I was told during that time where I was to sit, how I was to respond to questions. I wasn't to talk to anyone. I wasn't to tell anyone about what had happened, including my parents. And this was all in an effort to keep it quiet. Well, that effort failed. And so it was determined that he should address the congregation. He did it in a very vague way, just simply said that he'd sinned. He'd sinned against God, and he'd sinned against his wife. And that was his confession. That was it. Two days later, he had me meet [00:24:00] him in a hotel room after that confession in front of the congregation. Now. He was moved to the next church. He was given a going away party. There was actually a vote to maybe keep him, but the vote failed and they decided to move him to the next church. About, two weeks, three weeks later, I was called in by the elders, and this is probably the hardest part of my story for me. Mm-hmm. I was called in by the elders and I was told that because of my behavior I was to leave the church. I was devastated. I loved that church. It was the only church I knew, and here I was being told by these two elders that I wasn't fit to worship there any longer. Mm-hmm. He could be forgiven and given a second, third chance. I couldn't be, I was told that to leave the church. I wasn't given any counseling. I wasn't helped in any way. I was simply told to leave and I did. I left. [00:25:00] And that I told people many times, as horrific as the abuse was, having been told to leave, that church had a greater impact on me spiritually than the actual abuse did. I don't think I ever recovered from that. It still haunts me to this day to some extent. That response of the church really devastated me. So that was the crumbling, as you called it? It came crashing down and I would, I left the church. So did that change your perception of God? What was your relationship with God this time? Yes. You were kicked outta the church, but. Well, I felt a disconnect from God. I never blamed God. I never felt like God caused this to happen. I, in fact, I carry the blame and the shame. I felt guilty for what I had done. And so I never blamed God, but because of the relationship being tied in with God and the [00:26:00] prayers that this man would give, and then, you know, he'd give these wonderful sermons about marriage and sanctity of marriage on a Sunday morning after having sex with me the night before. I had difficulty separating all of that, and there were so many trigger factors associated with the church and prayer that God really did. It was hard for me to have any kind of relationship with God. I did. I didn't become an atheist like a lot of victims do, and who become angry at God. I simply just. I just put him on the back burner. I knew he existed, but I didn't have a connection with him any longer. So for 27 years, I, I never prayed. I never opened my Bible. I went to church because when I met my husband, he was a Methodist. And I thought, well, I'll go to the Methodist Church. It's a different denomination. Mm-hmm. I'll just go on. It should be fine. It didn't work that way. I had anxiety attacks in church. I, his [00:27:00] reminders of him were constant, but I forced myself to go. I made sure that I went because I knew when we had children, I wanted them to have that church experience. But every time I walked past the minister's office, I got a knot in my stomach. Oh yeah. It had nothing to do with that minister. But you understand that. I mean, it, but I did that for 27 years. It became my norm. I just knew that when I walked past that office, I was gonna get a knock my stomach, certain hymns. I can tell you what his favorite hymn was, and every time that was played, that's who I thought of. I couldn't pray. It was so, I did have a deep, deep disconnect for 27 years, and I have to tell you, I missed it. I actually mourn that loss of my spiritual life, but I didn't know how to get it back. Because I'm keeping this secret. I'm still carrying guilt and shame. I couldn't forgive myself. I didn't feel worthy to be in church. So with all of that mixed in, I just put myself on autopilot and said, [00:28:00] well, this is the way my life will be and I'll just have to accept it. It just sounds so unfair. Somebody that loves the Lord so much and served in the church and so innocent and being kicked out. Oh, but it sounded like maybe meeting your husband would've been a positive thing for you. How did you guys meet? I actually worked at his office, so I met him there. We dated for about two years, and I just found him to be a kind, loving soul. He was very unassuming. He wasn't arrogant. He didn't, he wasn't a boastful type of person. He didn't like taking credit for things, even though he deserved it sometimes. He was just a good hearted person, and I just, I fell in love with him immediately. I really did. I thought this was a great, great guy. I mean, I will tell you, I have said many times because before I met him, I was on a destructive path. I did not have any self-esteem. [00:29:00] I saw myself just simply as some sex object that, I was only good for that. And so when I met him, he saved my life because he loved me for who I was and showed me that I was worthy. So I've often said to him, you saved my life, and he will respond back with you made mine, and you can't get any better than that. So meeting him was a turning point for me, but I kept a secret from him for 27 years, and I lived in fear that he'd always find out that I'd had this affair with a married man. And I know in my heart that it wouldn't have made a difference to him. But people who've been abused never forget the words, don't ever tell. And I never forgot those words. And I never forgot what the consequences could be if I were to tell someone. Because when my elders found out, they blamed me. And I, I couldn't bear the thought that if I were to tell him. [00:30:00] Somehow he would find fault with me, or I wondered, would he wonder why I didn't feel confident enough to tell him? Would he feel betrayed that I kept a secret? Would he see me differently sexually? All those fears that I had while unfounded were still present in my mind. And so I never could tell him. And I had to do a lot of play acting and pretending, through our married life in the sense that the times I was having trigger factors, I had to hide them. And I know he would've been supportive, but I couldn't see that. Because while trauma affects you at the time of the abuse, it's lifelong. It doesn't leave you. And so I lived with that for 27 years. So did you have. Intimacy issues when you were together? Was that what you're talking about? The triggering? No, I, know a lot of victims do, and that's understandable. I really didn't, because he was so different from my abuser [00:31:00] and I recognized that my abuser was emotionally violent mm-hmm. And physically, he just wasn't loving in any sense of the word. I was simply used for sex. Mm-hmm. And I didn't have that with my husband. And so I could separate that a little bit. But I think the guilt of hiding the secret had an impact on our marriage as far as my able to be intimate with him in an emotional way. I'm really glad to hear that. I, you are not the first person that I've heard that. The victim has hidden a secret from her husband. I passed her and a pastor's wife and her husband did not know. Mm-hmm. Children didn't know, and it was a family member that was the abuser. And I kept telling her, you've got to tell him. Mm-hmm. You know why? It's because, and I was thinking this when I was listening to your, the other shows that you were on. I'm thinking about your children and your grandchildren. If I was abused, [00:32:00] I would be like. How do I keep my children and grandchildren from going through what I just went through, you know? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Well, that's an interesting thing because most people would assume that my daughter, I would've been all over it and worried sick every time she left the house. Yeah. But I actually had the opposite, reaction because keep in mind, I didn't see myself as an abuse victim. I saw myself as someone who participated, who willingly went into this relationship and stayed in it willingly, which is not the case when you're abused. There's the control, the manipulation, all of those things that play into keeping a victim in a relationship and they see no way out. So for me, I just assumed I got one bad apple in the whole barrel, that this didn't happen to other people and that I had an affair. But my daughter, who I knew, she would never have an affair with a married man, I just knew that. So I. Sent her on [00:33:00] retreats. I sent her to church camp without fear because again, I'm thinking, okay, this just doesn't happen to other people and this is not something I need to be concerned about with her. However, with my granddaughters, it's totally different because now I understand what really occurred and the damage that can occur when you've been abused. And so with my granddaughters, her mom and dad have talked to them, about good touch, bad touch. And I too have talked about to her, but I've been a little bit more probably detailed about it. Mm-hmm. And as she gets older, these men, the techniques change as you get older and they, after they go after teenage girls, so mm-hmm. Hopefully I'll be able to help her understand, what happens when someone's grooming. I want her to understand her personal space, that if you're not comfortable when someone hugs you, it's okay. That's right. Say I, I don't want you to touch me that way. Mm-hmm. Or say if they don't feel comfortable and we put a lot on kids to do that. 'cause here [00:34:00] we're asking a child to say to an adult, no. Mm-hmm. So it's okay to go to your mother or your mom and say, can you tell so and so Uncle Jimmy or whoever it is, I don't wanna be hugged. So we need to make sure our kids understand that their personal space is their space. And if they don't want someone in that space, it's okay to say no. I also think it's important to tell kids that good people can do bad things. Yeah. Because, as we talked about earlier, our abusers are not strangers. They're not mean people. Mm-hmm. They're usually good people. They're usually people who've given us gifts. They're people who help us. They're people who tell us how wonderful we are. So it's hard for children, even adults, to see this individual who. Who on one side is a good individual who does a lot in the church, who's done all these wonderful things. And so we, we have to tell these kids, just because they're a good person doesn't mean they can't do bad things. And so that's kind of the message I hope to get to my granddaughters that I didn't give to my [00:35:00] daughter. And fortunately she didn't have any issues with church or any, anybody abusing her. But I certainly did not, guide her in the right way in that sense because I just, like I said, I just assumed that I was the only one that this would ever have happened to. Well, I think, I hear a lot in the church that they don't teach sex ed because they don't want the kids to go out and have sex. Mm-hmm. And so a lot of these kids are like ignorant as to, what is healthy and what is not proper, yeah. We need to teach 'em that our bodies or are going to respond. They were built that way. God intended us to have feelings. You know, when we are around the opposite sex, that's normal. Mm-hmm. So we need to make sure kids understand. But there are barriers and there are boundaries that need to be taken. But you're absolutely right when we don't talk at it, then we figure it out on their own. And we could, we can all imagine when you're leaving teenagers to [00:36:00] their own devices to figure out things. That's probably not gonna lead in a good spot. No, we have the internet now, which when we, right. When you and I were younger, we didn't have the internet. We didn't have cell phones. No. If you wanted a Playboy magazine, you had to go to that kind of a neighborhood to get something. Yes. You know? Yes. It was a lot more difficult. Yes, absolutely. But too many parents are embarrassed to talk to their children about sex and, you know, everybody listening needs to listen. You need to find a way to talk to them about these things. And one of the techniques that I use with my daughter, just in talking about sex in general, kids don't want to hear their mom and dad talk to 'em about this. So what I did would say, I read a magazine article about this girl who did such and such so that I put it off on something else that's, a non-entity of a person. And I'll say, or Have you ever heard of this? And of course I know she's got a little embarrassed, but I, it opened the dialogue without me coming [00:37:00] out and saying, have you heard of oral sex? Instead, I would talk to her and say, I heard this about this. This is what kids are doing, blah, blah, blah. So you kind of have to find techniques and ways to sneak around it sometimes, but you absolutely need to talk to, because they know it's out there and they're going to experiment. That's just part of being a teenager. Yeah, my parents chickened out. They just gave me a book to read. Same, probably the same book. I got, I forget what it was called. Where did I come from? Or something. It was a cartoon book. Mm-hmm. And I'm grateful for that. And, they just, after I finished the book, do you have any questions? Yeah, yeah. I had a lot of, older people that were friends and I would actually go to my older. Senior citizen friends and ask them questions rather than ask my parents. Right? Yeah, yeah. It's more comfortable that way for sure. Like I said, it's not the topic that we like to talk to with our kids and our kids don't wanna hear it, but being uncomfortable is not an excuse not to do that. And in school you get [00:38:00] the basics of the mechanics of it, but then that ends, that's all you get there as well. And that's not as helpful either. Yeah. The sixth grade menstrual cycle, health class. Yeah, exactly. That's it. They separate the girls and the boys. Yeah. We were all really embarrassed and Yes, yes. Yeah, exactly. Great information. So let's, circle around back to, okay, you've been hiding this secret forever. Mm-hmm. And nobody knows about your past. And then one day you got triggered. So what happened that day? Well, that's the first chapter of my book, and that is one day I was driving to a golf tournament in Tennessee. We live in Cincinnati. I was driving, my daughter was in college. She was playing in a golf tournament. I was driving down there and I was about halfway when I saw an exit sign for the town of Kingsport, Tennessee. And that is the. Town to which my [00:39:00] abuser was sent after he left our church, and it just sent me over the edge. Mm-hmm. All of a sudden I'm thinking, I'm in the town where he lives. Am I close to his house? Am I close to the church where he's now a minister? I mean, even though it'd been 27 years, I thought he was probably still there. I didn't know, but that's what my mind was telling me. I, all of a sudden I felt his presence in the car. I, I could smell him. I could hear him. Oh. I was, it was unbelievable to me what was happening to me. I didn't even know what was happening. I pulled to the side of the road Oh, good. And I sobbed. Yeah. I sobbed for about 20 minutes and I was just trying to figure out what was happening because anytime I had trigger factors before I could manage them, I could control them. I kind of let them happen and then I push 'em back down. Mm-hmm. This one wasn't going back down and I was a mess. I was just an absolute mess. I was able to get through the weekend. I drove back home and all I could think about was, what am I gonna do? What am I gonna do? [00:40:00] I wanted to stop thinking about him and I couldn't. I spent the next two weeks, really in anxiety. I, my husband would leave for work and I would just walk around the house, wring my hands, trying to figure out why I was feeling the way I was feeling. What was I gonna do with these feelings till at one point I finally decided I was gonna tell my best friend, and I was absolutely petrified to tell her because for the first time in 27 years, I was going to utter the words. I was sexually abused by my youth pastor. And I remember thinking, he's gonna find out and I'm gonna get in trouble. I just, I was 49 years old and I'm still afraid of this man. But I did tell her, it was, it took me a long time to, to get the words out, but I did, she was very supportive. She was very kind. She was patient as she waited for me to tell her. And so that started my journey of healing just by telling that first person. I then told two or three other of my close friends, so the four of us spent [00:41:00] many days and many hours on the screened in porch of one of my friends just letting me talk. Mm-hmm. And being able to express what had happened to me. I wasn't ready to tell all of the story. I mean, there's parts in the book that I won't go into here because they're pretty mm-hmm. Embarrassing and some things that I did. So I wasn't ready to tell them everything, but I told them enough that it helped me start to release what had been done to me. And so that was the first thing that I did, I think. And then the next thing I did, which was so valuable, and I encouraged victims to do it as well, I just read everything I could on clergy abuse or sexual abuse in itself. So I began to learn the terms of grooming, manipulation, gaslighting, and then I could see how he methodically used each one of those things on me to get me to do the things he got me to do, and to stay in that relationship for those five years. And that was huge for me. So [00:42:00] it was, for the first time as I began reading, I understood that I had been abused. Now, it still took me a while to admit that I really was sexually abused because I didn't want that label. I didn't wanna be an abuse victim. And there was a part of me. We all wanna be loved. And so there was still a part of me that I wanted to think that there was some part of him that cared about me, that this wasn't just purely about sex and that he wasn't just using me for his own gratification. And I had to get past that. I had to finally come to terms with, no, this man didn't do the no one who loves you, would do the things he did and ask the things he did of me. So that took me a while, to finally admit, okay, this was an abusive relationship. So I told someone, educating myself, and then I had to learn to forgive myself. I had to let, I had to let go of the guilt [00:43:00] and shame because any guilt and shame belongs squarely on him. This was a man that I should have been able to trust. It was in a place that should have been the safest place on earth for me. And he took advantage of a vulnerable teenager who had, I didn't have a major crisis in my life, but he knew my home life was an upheaval at times. He knew that I didn't see my dad very much. So he used that to against me. And I had to forgive myself for being who I was at the time and being able to respond the way I did for the coping skills I had at the time. Sure. You can look back. I, and I think, why didn't I say this? Why didn't I do that? But I couldn't because of, of the re of the relationship he had created between us. Mm-hmm. I had lost all power. He was in complete control of this relationship, so I had to forgive myself and that wasn't easy either. Then, and I don't know that this is something all victims should do, but I just felt this need [00:44:00] that I needed to confront him. I just felt like I couldn't move past this unless I was able to face him. Now, I had no contact with him for 27 years. I didn't even know if he was still alive, but I hired a private investigator and he found him ministering in a church in Alabama. And so I had my investigator contact him and we set up a time and a meeting that we would meet. And I took my husband, I took my friend who was a counselor and another friend who was at the church at the time. Um, I wanted her at this point. You told your husband at this point, I'm sorry. Yes, that's correct. I, it was probably three months after I told my friends, that I said to him I would like to meet him in his office and talked to him about something and. I was terrified. I don't know how else to say it. I just was so afraid. Not that I needed to be, but I was. And I probably sat there for almost, [00:45:00] I would say, 40 minutes and just cried. I was able to finally get out. I'm okay, the kids are okay, and then I started crying again. He couldn't have been any more supportive, more loving. I remember looking at his face and I said I was sexually abused by my youth pastor, and he didn't. His expression didn't change, and then I said. I was their babysitter and his face just dropped. And for the first time, I could see the pain I was feeling was reflected in his face. It was, I almost wanted to hug him to say, I'm sorry. 'cause I could see how much it hurt him to know that this had been done to me, especially as a baby. I mean, the picture became complete for him once I said that. And so he was very supportive. I think he was worried about me confronting this man, for a couple reasons. But one, I think he was worried that I would be disappointed in his reaction, and that I would be expecting too much of this [00:46:00] person to understand what he did to me and show any kind of remorse, and that I, it would hurt me even more. And one of my fears was that, I was afraid he wouldn't meet me. I was afraid that he was gonna say, no, I'm not gonna meet with you. And my husband said, oh, he's gonna meet with you all right? Because if he doesn't meet with you, you just tell him. Call the church secretary. We'll call every elder. We're gonna, he, somebody's gonna hear your story if he doesn't want to hear it. So he did agree to meet with me. I went down to Alabama and the meeting took place and I said the things that I wanted to say to him. I wanted him to get what he did to me. But he didn't, he never could understand the damage. It was almost as if, okay, I shouldn't have done it and I'm sorry I did it. Okay, now what do you want? It was, get away. You bother me? Yes. And his greatest fear as most narcissist, and I believe he was, narcissistic, but his greatest fear was that I was going to demand that he be removed from the ministry. I mean, that's what he [00:47:00] was most concerned about, how this was going to impact him. And he should have been out of the ministry. So I went to his. Boss. I was told this, and something happened 27 years ago. He, we think he's safe. We're not worried, in spite of the fact that during the meeting he had admitted that there had been multiple occurrences of sexual misconduct throughout his ministry. Not all teenagers, some were most were probably women. And then he said he had gone to therapy because he had been identified as a sexual addict. And I kept thinking, who, what? What world, what world? Does this make sense that a man who has been identified by a psychologist as a sex addict belongs in the ministry? Nope. But here was this church. So I sent a letter to his 11 elders thinking, okay, somebody in this eldership is gonna see this. Is I something's wrong here. Not one responded totally [00:48:00] ignored me. 11 elders totally ignored me. Wow. No worries. So then, I decided to go to his denominational leaders, which were in Indianapolis. And there again, while they were sympathetic to my story and apologize that it happened, they said, we're an independent church. Our churches hire and fire their own ministers. We have no control and if they choose to keep this man, we can do nothing about it. And so what, I was shut down and basically I had no place else to go. I had pretty much. Done everything I could do. And it wasn't my place in the man that he be removed. I expected the church to be, the church was to do the right thing. Exactly. I assumed so naively that once they heard my story and once they understood the background of this man, surely someone would say, this isn't right. But again, keep in mind he's very charismatic. He brings in [00:49:00] people, he brings in money. And to be fair, and probably I'm being a little too gracious, these men are very good at manipulating not only the victim but the congregation as well. They're very good at getting control of the congregation so that they find themselves following this man no matter what he would do. Yeah. And that's basically what happened. There was going to be, I got a four page letter from his boss telling me that, know, I'm going to. Ruin this church if I continue on this path and that I'm going to feel all this guilt because I'm gonna be responsible for the damage that I will do to pe people's spiritual lives. I mean that, it was an incredible, I put the letter in the book, I, because it is so incredibly, hard to believe that someone write that to a victim of abuse. Just So that was What year did that happen? 2004. Okay. So we did have. We did have the internet. Oh, yes. And this was after the Catholic, [00:50:00] church had their, exposure of sexual abuse within their church. So yes, this was, it was out there for sure. This wasn't something that you would think, oh, I can't believe this happened. And again, he had admitted to these past instances. I mean, this wasn't someone who was saying, oh, I don't know what she's talking about. Or, oh, this is the only time it ever happened. He had been in therapy because he was a sexual addict, So he wasn't registered as a sex offender? I guess not. And in my case, at the time of the abuse, the age of consent was 16. So I had no legal recourse because of I was either legally age of consent. Now that has been changed in Ohio. It's now 18. It's now 18, but many states it's still 16. There are several states where the age of consent is 16. Now, the interesting about that is. His contact sexual contact with me was not considered a crime. However, if he had been my high school teacher, it would've been a crime. What, so pastors I know [00:51:00] does not make sense. It does not make a leg of sense. No, it does not. So it, they don't consider him a teacher. They don't cons, they don't, they considered an affair. A mutual. Relationship if he'd been my teacher, that's a different story. So yeah, I had no legal recourse. And that was frustrating. But I couldn't change that. So it was what it was. I just had to accept that he, yes, he belonged in jail. Yes, there's no doubt and should be registered as a sex offender, but I'm not so sure that even if he's registered as a sex offender, these people in Alabama and wherever he is now, would. Even take that as a concern. Well, you know, the millennials now, they'll just, they just post stuff on Facebook and Twitter and call the evening news and they have, yes. News people at their doorstep, right. Ready to mm-hmm. Track this guy's name through the mud. Mm-hmm. But you didn't choose to do that, I guess. No, you know, I'm very careful about naming him in the sense that, part of my story is that I [00:52:00] reconnected with his wife. She actually divorced him after they moved, because again, he committed sexual misconduct. She was 20, I think, at the time, so it wasn't a minor, but that's beside the point. This is a man in a position that, a professional who does not cross boundaries like that. So, to no one surprise, he committed sexual misconduct the third time, so she divorced him. And part of, I guess letting go of some of the guilt that I felt, I wanted to. Connect with her to at least tell her, not that I was responsible for what happened, but how very sorry I was for her pain and suffering as well because she was part of the youth group. I mean, she was there at the church all the time. We sang in the choir together. So it was like I had a relationship with her. Oh wow. To some extent. And of course when, we were found, when he was found out by the elders, she was upset and she of course, didn't wanna have anything to do with me, which is understandable. So I actually think I [00:53:00] also wanted to give her the opportunity to say whatever she felt she needed to say to me if she wanted to. I mean, I didn't know what she was gonna say or react. I thought maybe she'd hang up on me. I didn't know. So I called her one day. My investigator found her phone number and gave it to me, and she couldn't have been any more gracious. I, she never blamed me. She understood as she, as the years went on, what this really was just like I did. She's remarried. She's has a wonderful husband now. And so I visited her several times. We keep in contact. And so part of my not wanting to expose him too much is that it would be hurtful to her. And he does have children. Now. I know that, well, whatever consequences are as a result of this are all on him, but I don't feel the need to add to that. That's not my purpose in speaking out. And so, mm-hmm. I've gone to his church leaders, I've done everything I can to get him removed from the ministry. And nothing, it's just [00:54:00] he's still, I don't know that he's still a pastor, but he still remains in good standing within that denomination to this day. Yeah. I mean, sometimes we have to just let God. Right. Dish out the justice. It may not be in our timeline, it may not be the way that we think it should happen, but Right. He's not gonna get away with this. No. And again, I did my part. Yes. So my conscience is clear and I am able to say I did what I could do and whether or not they removed him, I certainly hope that I maybe put some doubt in some of their minds and maybe questioned their motives in keeping this man. I don't know. But, I feel I did what I could do and I feel good about that. I feel good about that. Absolutely, you should. And what I'm really interested in is, you're trying to keep this stuff from happening to other people, so, I mean, what can we do to prevent some of this stuff? Well, it's [00:55:00] difficult again, because these men are among us as wolves in sheep's clothing, and so they're difficult to spot. But a couple things. I think the first thing I would tell people is if something doesn't seem right. Keep your antenna up. Don't just ignore it or just don't think, oh, well that can't be true because he's the pastor. Mm-hmm. If it's behavior that you wouldn't accept in someone else, or it's something that you would question in someone else, then question it in the pastor or the choir director, whoever it is. Don't be blinded by the person. The persona that they're presenting to you. So that's the first thing I would say is keep your antenna up. The other thing is we, and we're churches, I think are doing better about this, but you've got to have policies in place that say, no, you're not taking a 16-year-old girl on your hospital visit with you. Yes. That's, that's not normal. That's not right. What is she doing going on a hospital visit with you in a car? And of course now we have the texting [00:56:00] and there should be absolutely no texting between a pastor, a youth minister, and anyone in the congregation. And that includes, no, don't forget the meeting for the church luncheon. No, there should be no texting because you, it's too hidden and it's too easily moved to the next step. And that's how it starts. You know, all of the abuse when it's someone you know, it always starts with small things and subtle things. It doesn't, innocent things. Innocent things that, yeah, that, that are innocent. But so that's why, so no texting. Yeah. So put in the policy, those places of, when you take a 10-year-old child to the bathroom, you make sure there's another adult with you. Absolutely. That's for your safety as well as for the child's safety. Mm-hmm. So I, I think we need to be aware. And then I would also say watch for the vulnerable in your, among your church or your group. Watch for the kid that's got issues at home and is looking for a father figure. Be aware that they're going to be more susceptible to someone who's a predator and pay [00:57:00] attention to their cues and kind of keep in touch with them as well in a sense of asking questions and how they're doing and be the kind of a person that they might feel comfortable coming to if something were to happen to them because they're the ones that are gonna be most vulnerable, to a predator. So that's kind of, an overview of what. Maybe a help to try and stop and prevent some of this. Yes, I like lots of video cameras. They're cheap now. You can put a camera, you can hide cameras all over the church facility and Yes. And I think too, talking to this about this issue to the congregation before anything happens, maybe having a person in your congregation who is the go-to person on this topic, who, who's researched what all these grooming and manipulation is so that they are even more equipped to, to notice the signs. So you have a person who's kind of in charge of that topic and then address it to the congregation once a year and say, here's our policy and here's what we expect of our pastors and here's what we would hope you would [00:58:00] do if you notice something. So it just brings it out so that people feel like if there is something that they know is going on or something's wrong, they feel comfortable going to someone about it. Those are all really great tips for leaders and, church members. So what, what if I am listening and I am being subjected to some of this stuff, what should I do? Well, what you need to do and what is the hardest thing to do is to tell someone. Yeah. And it's hard to do because when you're in an abusive relationship, you are being controlled by your abuser. And the narrative is what he is directing. And so he's going to tell you, look, you can tell anybody you want. They're not gonna believe you. And he tells you that over and over again. He's also going to tell you that you are going to be in trouble if you tell anyone. And then there's that problem of you sort [00:59:00] of care about this person. Here's someone that has been helping you, who's been your mentor, and you don't wanna get him in trouble. So with all those dynamics involved, it's very difficult for victims to come forward. But I am telling you, you don't wanna wait the 27 years that I did no. And live with this guilt and the shame and the angst and the anxiety. First of all, it's not worth it. You're not doing anyone any favors, especially yourself, because there is help out there. But they can only help you if you're able to be able to tell someone. And believe me, I understand how difficult that is. It's not easy. Mm-hmm. But I would hope that I hearing my story and others that you will understand that there is help out there and you need to tell someone. 'cause it won't end until you tell someone. And if you need to, you go to someone that you trust. And if you need to, you go outside the church. Yes. You tell someone you know is going to listen to you. [01:00:00] Hey, I tell my listeners, you can call me anytime mm-hmm. And email me and I'm sure you'd say the same thing. Exactly. Reach out to Sandy if mm-hmm. You need somebody to talk to. Mm-hmm. Or you don't know what is the next step I need to take here? Right. It is scary to make First step. It's very scary. Very scary. Absolutely. So then there's the rest of us, those that have not experienced clergy abuse, maybe we're members in the church, maybe we're friends or family. What are some helpful things for us to do to support a victim? Helpful things to say, maybe there's things we shouldn't say, well, that's a yes. First, I would say anytime you're aware of a victim of clergy abuse or anybody who's been abused, whether it's clergy or not, reiterate to that victim that it was not their fault and that there was nothing they could have done, should have done that would've prevented this. And by doing that, you are [01:01:00] telling that person they're free to speak to you. And victims need to hear it over and over again because we do blame ourselves. Children as young as five will blame themselves because they allowed someone to touch them 'cause mommy said not to. And the that guilt in that shame that victims carry, it's difficult to let go of it. So to hear someone say to us, it's not your fault is so freeing. So that's the first thing. The second thing I would say is. Let them know that you will listen to them without judging them, and you will hear their story without being shocked that you are able to say, tell me everything you need to tell me, or Tell me as little as you wanna tell me. Give them a comfort place to go to talk. And then I would say, and this is difficult for people who have spiritual lives or who are part of the church, be very much aware that things such as prayer and Bible reading and [01:02:00] scripture can be very triggering for those who've been abused in the church. Mm-hmm. So things that you would find comforting like prayer. Can be a very major trigger factor for victims. And so instead of saying to a victim, I'll pray for you, or Can I pray with you? The best thing you could say would be to phrase it in such a way as to say, I understand because of what you've been through, prayer can be difficult. And so I would like to pray for you, but I would completely understand if you don't want to pray or you won't, don't even want me to pray for you. And so you've opened up the door to say to this person, wow, I don't have to feel guilty because I can't pray. You know, when we've grown up in the church and we've been told how wonderful church and prayer and all those things are, we still carry that guilt too because we're no longer connected to God. So to have a person on the outside. Recognize that these can be trigger factors is again, a gift. It's a [01:03:00] gift. So those things I think would be the most helpful when dealing with a person of clergy abuse. And give them time. Don't push forgiveness. Don't push trying to get them back into church. 'cause some victims will never be able to go back to church if you let them find their own pace of time and you do it without judging them. And I know that's kind of hard sometimes for Christians and people in the church because we love the church and we find it to be such a wonderful place and we want this person back in the church. Yes. But it, it may not be the best place at that point for that victim. Such valuable advice. I That is awesome. And again, back to like, when you're talking about the sex education, open up the dialogue, you know? Yeah. Bring it up. Bring it up before they bring it up. Again, I read in the newspaper that this girl was molested by, a gym teacher. You know that, that ha I know that happens. And then let 'em know that if. It is, like you said, allowing that comfort to be able to [01:04:00] talk to someone. I think for me it was important to give my side of the story. No one had a clue that he was emotionally and verbally and physically abusive to me. They saw this as a little love affair and that we had this, magic little love affair. Evil temptress. Yes, exactly. And so I wanted them to know the full story. That was important for my healing too. And they did that. And, they welcomed me back to the church. I went back, I've been back a couple times for, a youth group reunion that we had. So, and that was difficult. But again, I thought that was necessary for me to move forward. I had to let go of my past. I had to figure out, not to forget it, but how was I going to incorpo

Love to hear from you; “Send us a Text Message”The innocence of our children is under systematic attack. This eye-opening conversation exposes how predators operate in schools and beyond, manipulating young minds and normalizing harmful behaviors that lead to lifelong damage. Crime investigator Thomas Hampson shares disturbing patterns he's witnessed throughout his career tracking child predators. The explosion of teacher-student sexual exploitation cases reflects a deeper cultural crisis where children are increasingly sexualized by educational materials, social media, and popular entertainment. Visit Tom Hampson's SubStack  Antifa: Ideology or Organization?Help Young Men! Read Jacks latest Blog on Substack: Christ Appeals to the ResurrectionContact us: info@jp2renew.orgSupport the show

This powerful and unsettling deep dive exposes two alarming threats facing the United States. First, it details China's escalating cyber warfare campaign, including confirmed intrusions into U.S. water systems, nuclear facilities, and the electrical grid—threats the Biden administration has allegedly downplayed despite tacit admissions from Beijing. It examines the implications of rogue communication devices hidden in Chinese power inverters and the chilling vulnerability of American infrastructure. The second half uncovers a humanitarian scandal: systemic child trafficking at the U.S. southern border. Whistleblowers and investigative journalists allege the Biden administration knowingly dismantled safeguards like DNA testing, allowing criminal networks to exploit thousands of unaccompanied migrant children. From missing children to fraudulent addresses and blocked reforms, this segment lays bare a national disgrace hidden in plain sight. Featuring commentary from Laura Ingraham, Senator Josh Hawley, RFK Jr., Brianna Morello, and others, this episode pulls no punches in confronting the truth behind America's security blind spots and moral failures.

Today I sit down with Nigel Lynch of Beyond Caribbean Publishing/Wise Acre Comics to discuss the origin story of Tala a young Mercenary whom I read as a part of his first book we covered Critical Ops Task Force. We come to find her story as a child growing homeless with her sister until she was caught in the web of Human Trafficking. As I've come to know her through the previous project the innocence and adolescence of this child is pried away and rips her sister from her. Live on Kickstarter in FebruarySupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-faqs-project-hosted-by-james-grandmaster-faqs-boyce/donations

On procedurals like Law & Order SVU, viewers often note that the plots are ripped from the headlines. It's tempting to think that news and TV dramas give us an understanding of the reality of investigating serious crimes. In fact, few know what it's like to investigate these harrowing cases. Detective Kim Mager, a 30-year veteran of the Ashland City Police in Ohio, knows firsthand what it's like to take down some of the worst criminals imaginable. In A Hunger to Kill: A Serial Killer, a Determined Detective, and the Quest for a Confession That Changed a Small Town Forever, co-written with New York Times bestselling author Lisa Pulitzer, she reveals how she closed in on—and broke—one of Ohio's most infamous serial killers. ABOUT THE AUTHORS Detective KIM MAGER is a 30-year law enforcement officer who retired from the Ashland City Police in 2022. Mager works for a prosecutor's office and still holds a law enforcement commission. Mager specializes in sex offenses, violent crime, and child abuse and has investigated over 2,000 cases. She has a BA from Ashland University and graduated Top Gun of her Police Academy. Mager is married to husband, Dan, and they have three children, Corbin, Macy, and Reed. LISA PULITZER is a former correspondent for the New York Times. She is the author of more than a dozen non-fiction titles, including New York Times bestseller Stolen Innocence (with Elissa Wall) and Portrait of a Monster: Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery (with Cole Thompson).

How did a trusted family friend manage to kidnap a young girl not once, but twice? This jaw-dropping episode with Jan Broberg, the courageous survivor behind "Stolen Innocence," tackles the chilling realities of abduction and the insidious nature of grooming. Jan shares her powerful journey from victim to advocate, recounting the traumatic events that began when she was just nine years old and a charming neighbor infiltrated her family's lives.We unravel the calculated deception employed by Robert Birchtold, who manipulated Jan and her family through carefully constructed trust and charismatic charm. Jan provides a detailed account of the emotional and psychological strategies used by her abductor, including the terrifying mind games and threats that kept her compliant. Despite the unimaginable ordeals, including a second kidnapping to a Mexican trailer park, her story is one of resilience and the unyielding human spirit.This episode is not just about the horrors Jan endured but also about her incredible journey toward healing and empowerment. Jan emphasizes the importance of gratitude, forgiveness, and boundaries in overcoming trauma. Her insights into the complexity of familial manipulation, the strength required to rebuild one's life, and her ongoing efforts as an advocate for survivors offer a beacon of hope. Tune in for an episode that underscores the strength of the human spirit and the transformative power of love and support.

The four-part television series "Stolen Innocence" explores the manipulation and abuse of the FLDS cult that led to the new self-proclaimed prophet Samuel Bateman's reign and downfall as he awaits sentencing for sexually abusing and kidnapping child brides. True Crime Correspondent Briana Whitney and former AZ Family reporter Mike Watkiss discuss in detail Samuel Bateman's rise to power, the roots of the FLDS and its corruption, the bizarre encounter Mike Watkiss had with Bateman, and where the FLDS community stands now. 

In this powerful episode of the HEAL with Kelly Podcast, I speak with Erin Merryn, an internationally recognized author, speaker, and child abuse prevention activist. Erin shares her harrowing journey of surviving child sexual abuse, which ultimately led to her becoming a fierce advocate for child protection and body safety education. Disclaimer: The following episode of HEAL with Kelly features discussions about child sexual abuse and personal body safety education. The content may be sensitive and potentially triggering for some viewers. Viewer discretion is advised. The information shared in this episode is intended for informational and educational purposes and should not replace professional advice or guidance. If you need to disclose sexual abuse, please seek help from a trusted professional or contact local authorities. Get 24/7 Support from The National Sexual Assault Hotline. Go to Rainn.Org or CALL 800.656.HOPE (4673) Recounting the traumatic experiences that stole her innocence, Erin emphasizes the long path to healing and the importance of breaking the silence and speaking out. Despite facing significant resistance, her relentless advocacy has led to her pioneering of Erin's Law - legislation she created and has gotten passed in 38 states and is now reaching internationally as far as Canada, Australia, and Kerala, India. She shares stories of survivors who, inspired by her work, found the courage to speak out, and highlights the critical need for comprehensive personal body safety education. Erin also offers practical advice for parents on how to teach personal body safety at home, emphasizing open communication, understanding safe versus unsafe touch, teaching how to identify trustworthy adults, and distinguishing between safe and unsafe secrets. Erin speaks about the power of forgiveness and transforming something negative into something positive. Her goal is to empower parents and children alike to protect themselves and speak up against abuse.   This episode is a testament to Erin's incredible resilience and her unwavering commitment to protecting children. It sheds light on the often-ignored issue of child sexual abuse and offers hope and guidance for survivors and advocates alike. LINKS: Erin Merryn Website: http://www.erinmerryn.net/ Erin's Law Website: https://www.erinslaw.org/ Erin's Law Foundation Website - https://erinslawfoundation.org/ Erin Law Foundation on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/erins_law_foundation/ The Cat Named Carrot Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the_cat_named_carrot/ Stolen Innocence Book on Amazon: https://amzn.to/3YAenQo Upcoming Erin's Law Documentary: https://www.erinslawfilm.com/ SPONSORS: JENNI KAYNE: Go to https://www.jennikayne.com/ and use code HEAL15 to receive 15% OFF your first order. LUME: Go to https://lumedeodorant.com/ and use code HEAL. New customers GET 15% OFF ALL Lume products with our exclusive code - and if you combine the 15% off with the already discounted starter pack, that equals over 40% off their Starter Pack! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this deeply emotional episode, Emma Kenny explores the tragic case of Cherish Perrywinkle, an 8-year-old girl from Jacksonville, Florida, whose life was brutally taken by a predator disguised as a Samaritan. The case, which sent shockwaves through the community, highlights the dire consequences of child abduction and the importance of vigilance in public spaces. Emma delves into the harrowing details of the day Cherish was lured away from her mother by Donald Smith under the pretense of kindness. She examines the psychological profile of Smith, his disturbing history, and the systemic failures that allowed him to commit such a heinous crime. This episode also sheds light on the broader implications for child safety and the critical need for community awareness. Emma discusses the importance of listening to and educating children about stranger danger and the role of law enforcement in protecting vulnerable members of society. Join Emma Kenny for a poignant reflection on Cherish Perrywinkle's life, as she seeks to understand and learn from this tragedy, emphasizing the need for collective vigilance to safeguard our children.

In this episode, VSC's Violence Prevention Educator, Hannah Jenarine sits with Sandy Phillips Kirkham to speak on the Dynamics of Clergy Abuse. Sandy Kirkham and her husband Bill enjoy life with their two grown children, two beautiful granddaughters, and two fairly well-behaved dogs. Sandy continues to use her voice to help victims of clergy abuse. She currently serves on the board of Council Against Child Abuse. Sandy has spoken before the Ohio Senate, a Maryland court, and appeared on a local television show in Boston. Her story, “Stolen Innocence,” was told in a documentary produced by The Hope of Survivors. Sandy works with survivors conducting victim support conferences. She has participated in The Voice of the Faithful (VOTF) panels moderated by SNAP (Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests), sharing her perspective from the non-Catholic point of view. Sandy has been a presenter/speaker at major events on clergy abuse including the Hope & Healing Conference. Sandy has earned a certificate of completion from the Faith Trust Institute entitled, “A Sacred Trust: Boundary Issues for Clergy and Spiritual Teachers.” Purchase her book "Let Me Prey Upon You": https://sandyphillipskirkham.com/shop/ ----------------------------------- Trigger Warning: In this podcast, we will be discussing sensitive topics such as Sexual Assault. It's important to take care of yourself while listening. Some suggestions are listening while you're in a healthy headspace or knowing who you can reach out to if you become upset. Our 24/7 helpline for crisis calls based out of Central Florida is 407 500 HEAL, for the Florida state sexual helpline call (888) 956-7273. By contacting the National Hotline at 1-800-656-4673 you can get support and learn about your local resources. There is always someone ready to help.

Sandy Phillips Kirkham is a survivor of clergy abuse and the author of, "Let Me Prey Upon You". Sandy was very active in her church growing up, her faith was the center of her life. When she was 16 her youth pastor groomed and manipulated her into a sexual relationship. After years of abuse she managed to exit the relationship and reclaim her life. Sandy kept her experience a secret for 27 years before she had to face it and begin her healing journey. Today Sandy is a strong advocate for survivors of clergy abuse as a board member of the Council Against Child Abuse and through her work with The Hope of Survivors. Today Sandy will be sharing her story, and we'll be discussing her incredibly powerful book.Sandy Kirkham and her husband Bill enjoy life with their two grown children, two beautiful granddaughters, and two fairly well-behaved dogs. Sandy continues to use her voice to help victims of clergy abuse. She currently serves on the board of Council Against Child Abuse. Sandy has spoken before the Ohio Senate, a Maryland court, and appeared on a local television show in Boston. Her story, “Stolen Innocence,” was told in a documentary produced by The Hope of Survivors. Sandy works with survivors conducting victim support conferences. She has participated in The Voice of the Faithful (VOTF) panels moderated by SNAP (Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests), sharing her perspective from the non-Catholic point of view. Sandy has been a presenter/speaker at major events on clergy abuse including the Hope & Healing Conference. Sandy has earned a certificate of completion from the Faith Trust Institute entitled, “A Sacred Trust: Boundary Issues for Clergy and Spiritual Teachers.”Sandy's Website: https://sandyphillipskirkham.com/Sandy's Book: https://sandyphillipskirkham.com/shop/https://bookshop.org/p/books/let-me-prey-upon-you-breaking-free-from-a-minister-s-sexual-abuse-sandy-phillips-kirkham/13830913?ean=9781734195200The Hope of Survivors: http://www.thehopeofsurvivors.org/Council on Child Abuse: https://www.cocachild.org/GRACE: https://www.netgrace.org/SNAP: https://www.snapnetwork.org/Finding OK: https://www.finding-ok.com/Hecate's Links: https://linktr.ee/FindingOKSupport the podcast and become a Patreon member!https://www.patreon.com/HecateFindingOKFinding OK is funded entirely by the generosity of listeners like you!https://www.finding-ok.com/support/Letters for the Fire: https://www.finding-ok.com/blog/letters-for-the-fire-season-5/Thank you for listening. BLM. Take care of yourself

What if the world as we know it is on the brink of imminent change? As we face the possibility of World War III and the escalating tide of evil, it's time we turn to the Scriptures for guidance and understanding. Can the decline and moral decay of nations be attributed to the rejection of Jesus Christ? We delve into this question as we discuss the societal decay resulting from a lack of faith. Please support our Parent out reach through "Stolen Innocence" our live presentation, and LoveEd, that helps Parents teach their children about the beauty of love and sexuality within the context of our Christian Faith.This will only succeed with much Grace and your Support!For more information please go to our website: jp2renew.orgPlease consider being a Sponsor! "The future of humanity passes by way of the family"--John Paul II.Please send donations to support our work to:John Paul II Renewal Center902 S Randall RoadSTE C #296St. Charles, IL. 60174Support the show     Don't forget to sign up for our Newsletter!!  JPll Renewal Center email listSupport the show

I apologize for my absence in this week's episode. Traveling took me away from our  usual Theology of the Body Audience with Linda. We should be back on track next week. Meanwhile, I invite you to journey back through our previous episodes and discover their enriching insights. In these trying times, with tensions rising in Israel, Ukraine, and globally, I find myself contemplating the world around us.Despite the Western world's increasing rejection of Christianity, I am encouraged by the unyielding faith of the remnant who stand strong. This episode, although not as per usual, is a call for us to remain steadfast in our convictions, to pray, to participate in the sacraments, and to be the shining lights of truth, goodness, and beauty. I share my daily scripture reading suggestions, the transformative power of the Rosary, and discuss how the Auxilium Christianorum prayers have been a powerful force in my life to fight demonic activity. These are trying times. Let's continue to engage in these discussions, keep each other in our prayers, and continue our journey of faith together. Thank you for standing with and for our Savior Jesus Christ! Please support our Parent out reach through "Stolen Innocence" our live presentation, and LoveEd, that helps Parents teach their children about the beauty of love and sexuality within the context of our Christian Faith.This will only succeed with much Grace and your Support!For more information please go to our website: jp2renew.orgPlease consider being a Sponsor! "The future of humanity passes by way of the family"--John Paul II.Please send donations to support our work to:John Paul II Renewal Center902 S Randall RoadSTE C #296St. Charles, IL. 60174Support the show     Don't forget to sign up for our Newsletter!!  JPll Renewal Center email listSupport the show

Do you feel the world around you is in chaos? As Israel is attacked and another war breaks out there will be more pain and suffering. Today we unfold the crisis of our time, dissecting how the decline of faith in God has precipitated the fall of Western civilization and its effect on individuals, families, and nations. And how building small faith communities may be the answer. We discuss Sundays Scripture from Isaiah, St. Paul and Matthew's Gospel as prophetic voices to guide our actions and thoughts towards truth, honor, justice, love and all that is excellent. Lastly, we scrutinize the profound impact  that the sexual revolution, identity politics, CRT, and Gender theories have contributed to the disintegration of traditional family. The fallout of these movements, such as fatherlessness, divorce, single parenthood, childlessness, street unrest, and politicization of public discourse, has resulted in a relationship deficit and an identity crisis for many. Men are at War with God, by Mary EberstadtBooks by Mary Eberstadt; Primal Screams, How the West Really Lost God, and more! Please support our Parent out reach through "Stolen Innocence" our live presentation, and LoveEd, that helps Parents teach their children about the beauty of love and sexuality within the context of our Christian Faith.This will only succeed with much Grace and your Support!For more information please go to our website: jp2renew.orgPlease consider being a Sponsor! "The future of humanity passes by way of the family"--John Paul II.Please send donations to support our work to:John Paul II Renewal Center902 S Randall RoadSTE C #296St. Charles, IL. 60174Support the show     Don't forget to sign up for our Newsletter!!  JPll Renewal Center email listSupport the show

Get ready to embark on a captivating and heartwarming journey with Cynthia Breheny,  a notable digital artist, animator, author and new mom. Cynthia shares her experiences growing up with gender dysphoria and tells the story of her search for alternative therapies without transition. She goes on to describe her work to help others through the Paradox Institute.  Her story and path to healing is a warm and tender must-listen for anyone looking to understand these complicated issues better.Learn more at the Paradox InstituteTrans Ideology: the Modern Hydra by Cynthia BrehenyPlease support our Parent out reach through "Stolen Innocence" our live presentation, and LoveEd, that helps Parents teach their children about the beauty of love and sexuality within the context of our Christian Faith.This will only succeed with much Grace and your Support!For more information please go to our website: jp2renew.orgPlease consider being a Sponsor! "The future of humanity passes by way of the family"--John Paul II.Please send donations to support our work to:John Paul II Renewal Center902 S Randall RoadSTE C #296St. Charles, IL. 60174Support the show     Don't forget to sign up for our Newsletter!!  JPll Renewal Center email listSupport the show

Picture this: the institution we entrust with the education and development of our children, instead becoming a platform for sexual grooming and exploitation. Unsettling? Yes. Necessary to confront? Absolutely. We delve into the unnerving reality that our children's innocence is being stolen right under our noses, within the very walls of our public schools. We're not just talking about a minor issue here. We're addressing the gross injustice of stolen innocence and sexual exploitation, and exploring the vital questions - why, what, and how to rectify this. This fight is about more than just our kids - it's about the future of our world. As part of our mission to restore the sanctity of innocence, we announce the launch of "LoveEd" to support parents and children. Please partner with us and join the 50-50 campaign, seeking 50 generous souls willing to partner with us and donate $50 a month for a minimum of 18 months.  Please support our effort to bring this light to the world. We very much need your support to expand our Parish out reach. This will only succeed at a grass roots level!For more information please go to our website: jp2renew.orgPlease consider being a Sponsor! "The future of humanity passes by way of the family"--John Paul II.Please send donations to support our work to:John Paul II Renewal Center902 S Randall RoadSTE C #296St. Charles, IL. 60174Support the show     Don't forget to sign up for our Newsletter!!  JPll Renewal Center email listSupport the show

Our children's innocence is not just at risk – it's being stolen right under our noses. Welcome to an episode where we expose the shocking reality of comprehensive sex education in public schools, where pornography, gender identity, masturbation, and racism are painted as normal components of childhood learning. Amidst the alarming sexual indoctrination of our young ones, we challenge you to reflect on the values you want your children to uphold. Are you prepared to confront this dire situation?Jack peels back the curtain on the toxic influence of neo-Marxist ideologies in our schools, revealing how education has been manipulated for social engineering rather than the enlightenment of young minds. We delve into the insidious ideologies propagated by figures such as John Dewey and Chester M. Pierce, asking the hard-hitting question: are we building our lives on eternal truth, or squandering our freedom in a misguided quest to play God? Finally, let's shift our focus towards hope and healing. We discuss the Love Ed program, an invaluable resource designed to equip parents with the tools to talk to their children about the biology and true meaning of love. As part of our mission to restore the sanctity of innocence, we announce our 50-50 campaign, seeking 50 generous souls willing to donate $50 a month for a minimum of 18 months. Join us in this crucial episode that shines a light on societal issues while providing a lifeline for concerned parents. Together, we can reclaim the narrative and steer our children back towards truth and virtue.Please support our effort to bring this light to the world. We very much need your support to expand our Parish out reach. This will only succeed at a grass roots level!Please consider being a Sponsor! "The future of humanity passes by way of the family"--John Paul II.Please send donations to support our work to:John Paul II Renewal Center902 S Randall RoadSTE C #296St. Charles, IL. 60174Support the show     Don't forget to sign up for our Newsletter!!  JPll Renewal Center email listSHARE YOUR STORY!! Tell us how TOB has changed your life and we will share it with our community!  Email me! Contact Jack: info@jp2renew.orgSupport the show

Are you ready to challenge the status quo? With alarming truths about our current societal structures and their devastating effects on childhood, we delve into unchartered territories in this episode. We reveal the disturbing changes in our society, starting with what we term as the 'annihilation of childhood' - a national disgrace deeply rooted in human rights and dignity issues. We unravel the impact of the Neo-Marxist platform adopted by many in our government and how this shift is leading to potential global conflicts. What if we told you that our government is more influenced by culture than you could ever imagine? In this episode, we navigate through the subtle yet powerful influence of family, church, and educational institutions in shaping a society. Unpacking the wisdom of John Paul II regarding communism, we shed light on the immediate gratification culture that is slowly but steadily threatening the fabric of our constitutional order. We also dive into the terrain of Marxism and its devastating effect on marriage, family, and the church, and how these shifts are infiltrating the minds of the young.The education of our children is at stake and it's high time we take notice. From the alarming rise in mental health issues among students to the exploitation and indoctrination of children, we expose the harsh realities of our present culture. Concluding the episode, we stress the importance of education over indoctrination, and discuss strategies to protect our children and restore values in our society.  We need to understand and embrace a biblical worldview and work towards doing good and being the good to fight evil. Tune in as we take you on this enlightening journey.Please support our effort to bring this light to the world. We very much need your support to expand our Parish out reach. This will only succeed at a grass roots level!Please consider being a Sponsor! "The future of humanity passes by way of the family"--John Paul II.Please send donations to support our work to:John Paul II Renewal Center902 S Randall RoadSTE C #296St. Charles, IL. 60174Support the show     Don't forget to sign up for our Newsletter!!  JPll Renewal Center email listSHARE YOUR STORY!! Tell us how TOB has changed your life and we will share it with our community!  Email me! Contact Jack: info@jp2renew.orgSupport the show

In this episode of her riveting True Crime series, psychologist Emma Kenny delves into the haunting case of the tragic case of Alfie Steele, a crime that shook the nation and left an indelible mark on everyone who heard his story.

Consider this: there is a concerted effort to shape our children's minds, to feed them a perception of truth that could be detrimental to their mental health. That's the stark reality we'll be confronting today in our compelling discussion with Tom Hampson. Together, we'll unpack the pervasive ideologies undermining the education standards, giving rise to a disconcerting cultural revolution. We're diving headfirst into the murky waters of educational influence, with a particular spotlight on the subtle yet powerful pull of the American Communist Party.Pivoting away from political indoctrination, we'll also be exploring the aftershocks of the sexual revolution on our national sex education standards. It's high time we scrutinized the teaching of critical theory to children, its inherent dangers and its contribution to mental illness. We'll be dissecting the concept of 'sex ed for social change,' posing the question: Should schools be the primary educators about sex? This is a conversation we all need to be a part of, for the sake of our children's future. So, buckle up and join us as we wade through these critical issues.Coming soon: Tom and Jack's weekly show "Stolen Innocence" on Rumble:How many children must be sacrificed at the altar of "Woke" before we "Awaken"? Sex trafficking, hook-ups, rape, pornography, abortion,  gender ideologies...millions  upon millions of victims.  If you saw these children of God as He sees them you would weep. Weep upon a Cross.Don't forget to sign up for our Newsletter!!  JPll Renewal Center email listPlease consider being a Sponsor! "The future of humanity passes by way of the family"--John Paul II.Please send donations to support our work to:John Paul II Renewal Center902 S Randall RoadSTE C #296St. Charles, IL. 60174Support the show     Email me with questions! Contact Jack: BWYR Podcast is a production of the John Paul ll Renewal Center or email him at info@jp2renew.orgSupport the show

We hear ad nauseam about the need for Diversity, Equity and Inclusion.  What's really behind this constant barrage of propaganda? Joining me today is former undercover crime investigator and author Thomas Hampson to unpack his recent article Pride Month . Tom writes:In his proclamation creating what has become known simply as Pride Month, President Clinton made this comment:“America's diversity is our greatest strength. But, while we have come a long way on our journey toward tolerance, understanding, and mutual respect, we still have a long way to go in our efforts to end discrimination.”What's interesting is the use of the phrase “diversity is our greatest strength.” It is a concept that has been around for many years but became popularized during the nineties, especially in business publications.Several books and articles focused on what made for success and failure in the business world. Researchers determined that diverse teams were better at innovation, creativity, problem-solving, decision-making, and meeting the challenges of a global marketplace. This is true, depending on what you mean by diversity.This is not true if you mean diversity alone.Diversity of height on an NBA team, for example, would ensure the team's defeat. Diversity of skill, regardless of certification, for welders used to build our submarines would guarantee no sailor would volunteer to become a submariner. Diversity of character in our elected officials would assure out-of-control corruption in our government—which we have.Diversity, alone, is not a strength. Calling diversity a strength is an empty phrase that sounds good but is meaningless in real-world application except when combined with other qualities.What is most important is unity of purpose.Coming soon: Tom and Jack's weekly show "Stolen Innocence" on Rumble: How many children must be sacrificed at the altar of "Woke" before we "Awaken"? Sex trafficking, hook-ups, rape, pornography, abortion,  gender ideologies...millions  upon millions of victims.  If you saw these children of God as He sees them you would weep. Weep upon a Cross.Don't forget to sign up for our Newsletter!!  JPll Renewal Center email listPlease consider being a Sponsor! "The future of humanity passes by way of the family"--John Paul II.Please send donations to support our work to:John Paul II Renewal Center902 S Randall RoadSTE C #296St. Charles, IL. 60174Support the show     Email me with questions! Contact Jack: BWYR Podcast is a production of the John Paul ll Renewal Center or email him at info@jp2renew.orgSupport the show

We are back with another round table discussion - this time we are talking about cults! Joshua Noel and TJ Blackwell are joined by Christian Ashley of "Let Nothing Move You", Nathan Gilmore of the "Christian Humanist Profiles", and Joe Dea of "BuddyWalk with Jesus"! How do I know if my church is a cult? How is the occult different from a cult? What is an example of a cult in religion? How to join a cult? Is shiny happy people duggar family secrets about a cult? Is catholicism a cult? What is cult in religious organization? Is Christianity a cult or Ecclesia? How many Waco series are there? What is "Truth and Lies: Waco" about? Which church did Charles Manson come from? What is "Happy Shiny People: Duggar Family Secrets" about? Where is Bill Gothard today? What is "Q: Into the Storm"? What are "The secrets of Hillsong"? Should you watch "The Way Down" or "Stolen Innocence"? Why are Christians so obsessed with cult and true crime documentaries? We discuss all this and more! Join in our conversations on our Discord Server and Facebook group!

In the shadows of secrecy, where painful truths have long been concealed, I now find myself compelled to unearth a story that has remained buried for far too many years. Though it may leave me feeling tainted, I believe it is necessary to shed light on the darkness that persists, for there are others who carry their own hidden scars, their secrets still unspoken and unhealed. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/goddessglowup/message

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of infertility, miscarriages, stillbirth, suicidal ideation, statutory rape, and mental, emotional, religious, cultic, sexual, and physical abuse.  This episode is brought to you by Kitsch. Get 30% off your entire order by visiting http://mykitsch.com/wcn Elissa Wall is a mother, author, survivor, and advocate whose incredible work has appeared on everything from Oprah to Netflix. After freeing herself from an early life in the Fundamentalist Church, Elissa reinvented herself and her career several times. Yet at the heart of all her work is her incredible storytelling abilities. Most recently, she appeared in the documentary, Keep Sweet: Pray & Obey, in which she shared a bit of her journey and healing. The production made it clear that Elissa's wisdom and poise are unrivaled, and that there was so much more to her story than four poignant episodes could illustrate. We are so grateful Elissa was willing to share the rest of what came next for her with us.  Elissa's website http://www.elissawall.com Elissa's book, “Stolen Innocence” https://amzn.to/3SqMQL7 Elissa's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/elissa.wall Holding Out Help, Salt Lake City https://holdingouthelp.org/ Cherish Families, Short Creek https://cherishfamilies.org/ Short Creek Dream Center https://www.shortcreekdreamcenter.org/ Washington Post statistics on Rape https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/06/less-than-percent-rapes-lead-felony-convictions-least-percent-victims-face-emotional-physical-consequences/ Women's Health on Warren Jeffs sentence https://www.womenshealthmag.com/life/a40220506/warren-jeffs-now/ Free + Confidential resources: somethingwaswrong.com/resources

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of infertility, miscarriages, stillbirth, statutory rape, religious, cultic, sexual, physical, emotional, and mental abuse.  Elissa Wall is a mother, author, survivor, and advocate whose incredible work has appeared on everything from Oprah to Netflix. In this second part of her story, Quantum Leap, we are given insight into Elissa's healing journey, as well as what it's taken her community to rebuild. We are so grateful for her continued openness and advocacy.  Elissa's website http://www.elissawall.com Elissa's book, “Stolen Innocence” https://amzn.to/3SqMQL7 Elissa's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/elissa.wall Holding Out Help, Salt Lake City https://holdingouthelp.org/ Cherish Families, Short Creek https://cherishfamilies.org/ Short Creek Dream Center https://www.shortcreekdreamcenter.org/ Washington Post statistics on Rape https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/06/less-than-percent-rapes-lead-felony-convictions-least-percent-victims-face-emotional-physical-consequences/ Women's Health on Warren Jeffs sentence https://www.womenshealthmag.com/life/a40220506/warren-jeffs-now/

A few weeks ago at Edgewood Middle School in Highland Park Illinois a physical education teacher, who was assigned to teach "health" to the middle schoolers, got himself into trouble by going off script. Apparently, he asked questions that were not supposed to be part of the sex ed teaching for the day. Health class is where our children learn all about sex. Before starting the discussion, the teacher decided to have the students play "The Penis Game" as an icebreaker. Read the rest of Tom Hampson's article: Grooming by ProxyJoin Jack and Tom Hampson as they reflect on the mess in the public school system and beyond. A mess that has the potential to take down the Nation.Tom Hampson has been an investigator for over 50 years. As Chief investigator for the Illinois Crime Investigating Commission he directed an eight-year investigation into the sexual exploitation of children, including the commercial sex trade.Please consider financially supporting the Truth Alliance Foundation and the John Paul II Renewal Center!Follow Tom Hampson and support his work to protect our children!truthalliancefoundation.orgDon't forget to sign up for our Newsletter!!  JPll Renewal Center email listEmail me with questions!Contact Jack: BWYR Podcast is a production of the John Paul ll Renewal Center or email him at info@jp2renew.orgAlso listen to podcast #310: "Mind Pollutors" with Monica Cline and #308 "Stolen Innocence" The National Sex Ed Standards with Tom HampsonSupport the show

There is something about the challenge of raising children in a world gone mad that is finally motivating the slow learners (some of them at least) to enter into a discussion beyond sports, romance novels and the latest social media fad. Anxiety, depression, self-harm, gender confusion and talk of suicide among teens is reaching pandemic levels. Join Jack and Tom Hampson as they reflect on the mess in the public school system and beyond. A mess that has the potential to take down the Nation. Read Toms latest article "Our Cultural Challenge" Tom Hampson has been an investigator for over 50 years. As Chief investigator for the Illinois Crime Investigating Commission he directed an eight-year investigation into the sexual exploitation of children, including the commercial sex trade.Please consider financially supporting the Truth Alliance Foundation and the John Paul II Renewal Center!Follow Tom Hampson and support his work to protect our children!truthalliancefoundation.orgDon't forget to sign up for our Newsletter!!  JPll Renewal Center email listEmail me with questions!Contact Jack: BWYR Podcast is a production of the John Paul ll Renewal Center or email him at info@jp2renew.orgAlso listen to podcast #310: "Mind Pollutors" with Monica Cline and #308 "Stolen Innocence" The National Sex Ed Standards with Tom HampsonSupport the show

Two consistent questions I get "What is CRT.?.. and once understood...but why would anyone seek to divide humanity?"Marxism claims that some groups and classes of human beings are good and others bad, so to perfect itself, humanity must isolate and eliminate the bad people. Solzhenitsyn came to realize instead that the dividing line between good and evil lies within every, single, individual human heart.Pope Benedict XVI wrote, “the fatal flaw of Communists and Socialists is that they had their anthropology wrong. They did not understand man.” Socialism considers the individual person simply as an element, a molecule within the social organism, so that the good of the individual is completely subordinated to the functioning of the socio-political mechanism. Socialism likewise maintains that the good of the individual can be realized without reference to his free choice, to the unique and exclusive responsibility which he exercises in the face of good or evil.It all comes down to a choice between two very different world views. Do you choose to base your life on materialism and the "City of Man" or Do you seek eternal life and choose instead "The City of God?"...two very old choices, two ways to live. Also listen to #341 "The Trans Quagmire--How We Got Here" with Author and Crime Investigator Thomas HampsonPlease consider financially supporting the Truth Alliance Foundation and the John Paul II Renewal Center!Follow Tom Hampson and support his work to protect our children!truthalliancefoundation.orgDon't forget to sign up for our Newsletter!!  JPll Renewal Center email listEmail me with questions!Contact Jack: BWYR Podcast is a production of the John Paul ll Renewal Center or email him at info@jp2renew.orgYou may also be interested in podcast #310: "Mind Pollutors" with Monica Cline and #308 "Stolen Innocence" The National Sex Ed Standards with Tom HampsonSupport the show

Ian Paterson, who became known as the butchering breast surgeon, is currently serving a 20-year jail term after being convicted of 17 counts of wounding with intent and 3 counts of unlawful wounding. Now the Sunday Times has revealed that 27 inquests have been opened as a result of investigating the deaths of 650 of his patients. Nuala speaks to campaigner Debbie Douglas, who was one of Mr Paterson's patients, and the Sunday Times Health Editor Shaun Lintern. Is 'therapy speak' making us selfish? The prescriptive language of the therapist's couch has slowly seeped into everyday life, particularly online where words like ‘boundaries', ‘self-care' and ‘narcissist' are increasingly common. But when it comes to friendships, is the idea of self-care making us give up on them too easily? Sociologist and writer Amy Charlotte Kean talks to Nuala about how our relationships are being affected. In the next in the Woman's Hour Girl's World series, Ena Miller has been talking to three girls in Glasgow, Saskia, Francesca and Olivia all of whom are 13 and 14 years of age. We often talk about girls and their lives on Woman's Hour but we rarely talk to them, so Ena asks them - do they feel listened to? Award-winning playwright and actor Lolita Chakrabarti joins Nuala in the Woman's Hour studio to talk about the new play 'Hamnet'. Maggie O'Farrell's best-selling novel of the same name tells the story of the death of Shakespeare's 11 year old son as she would have us believe it happened. Having sold more than 1.5m copies the story has now moved from paper to stage at the RSC in Stratford Upon Avon thanks to an adaptation by Lolita. She'll tell us why she was so drawn to telling the story of the people around Shakespeare. A new BBC Africa Eye documentary, Uganda's Stolen Innocence, investigates the increasing levels of sexual violence and incest in Uganda, particularly in the North. Documentary producer Nicola Milne and Ugandan lawyer Eunice Lakaraber Latim join Nuala to talk about the lack of faith in the justice system and how the legacy of the insurgency led by Joseph Kony fuelled this issue further.

"The controversy over transgenderism arose a few years ago seemingly out of nowhere. But when it did arise, it erupted like a cultural Mount St. Helens."--Thomas HampsonRead the entire article Here:  "The Trans Quagmire--How We Got Here" Tom Hampson has been an investigator for over 50 years. As Chief investigator for the Illinois Crime Investigating Commission he directed an eight-year investigation into the sexual exploitation of children, including the commercial sex trade. Please consider financially supporting the Truth Alliance Foundation and the John Paul II Renewal Center!Follow Tom Hampson and support his work to protect our children!truthalliancefoundation.orgDon't forget to sign up for our Newsletter!!  JPll Renewal Center email listEmail me with questions!Contact Jack: BWYR Podcast is a production of the John Paul ll Renewal Center or email him at info@jp2renew.orgAlso listen to podcast #310: "Mind Pollutors" with Monica Cline and #308 "Stolen Innocence" The National Sex Ed Standards with Tom HampsonSupport the show

The CDC, Center for Disease Control, is sending out an LGBTQ inclusive self-assessment guide to all schools in the country. The agency wants to find out how committed schools are to providing a safe and inclusive environment for these students.  I thought the CDC's mission was the control and prevention of disease?Link to Tom's Recent Article, Division 44 Join Jack and Tom Hampson from the Truth Alliance Foundation as they discuss Division 44 of the American Psychological Association, also known as the Society for the study of Lesbian and Gay issues. Tom Hampson has been an investigator for over 50 years. As Chief investigator for the Illinois Crime Investigating Commission he directed an eight-year investigation into the sexual exploitation of children, including the commercial sex trade.  Please consider financially supporting the Truth Alliance Foundation and the John Paul II Renewal Center!Follow Tom Hampson and support his work to protect our children! truthalliancefoundation.orgDon't forget to sign up for our Newsletter!!  JPll Renewal Center email listEmail me with questions!Contact Jack: BWYR Podcast is a production of the John Paul ll Renewal Center or email him at info@jp2renew.orgAlso listen to podcast #310: "Mind Pollutors" with Monica Cline and #308 "Stolen Innocence" The National Sex Ed Standards with Tom HampsonSupport the show

In part 2 of the documentary Stolen Youth (which Stefanie feels should be called Stolen Innocence), we delve deeper into the craziness that is Larry Ray who started a cult at Sarah Lawrence. Make sure to listen to part 1 first unless you love being confused!

In this heart-wrenching episode of our podcast, we speak with a father whose children were taken away by CPS under suspicious circumstances. He shares his story of how their happy family life was suddenly shattered, and how he's fighting tirelessly to get his children back. With firsthand accounts from the father and a look at the evidence that led to the removal of their kids, we delve into the complex world of child protection services and the impact it can have on innocent families. This is a story of resilience, hope, and the power of a father's love. And we also discuss how to avoid the same situation if you ever get into one.  Michael's YouTube Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/MrPropriaPersona1 Contact Michael at www.judicialrevolution.us  Want to help us fight judicial injustice? Donate to www.KidsMatter.charity 

A rallying cry to stand up for the innocence and well-being of our children. They deserve a culture and  a nation where they can flourish.Please read Pope John Paul II's "Letter to Families" This battle begins and ends at the level of the human heart, your heart and my heart. What does it take to turn this situation around? In answering this question two fundamental truths should be kept in mind: first, that man, men and women, are called to live in truth and love; and second, that everyone finds fulfillment through the sincere gift of self.Don't forget to sign up for our Newsletter!!  JPll Renewal Center email listSubscribe to Jack's SubstackPlease consider being a Sponsor! "The future of humanity passes by way of the family"--John Paul II.Please send donations to support our work to:John Paul II Renewal Center902 S Randall RoadSTE C #296St. Charles, IL. 60174Support the show     Email me with questions! Contact Jack: BWYR Podcast is a production of the John Paul ll Renewal Center or email him at info@jp2renew.orgPlease share this with your friends and family!Also listen to podcast #310: "Mind Pollutors" with Monica ClineAnd #308 "Stolen Innocence" The National Sex Ed Standards with Tom HampsonSupport the show

Guest: Sandy Phillips Kirkham, clergy sexual abuse survivor and author of Let Me Prey Upon You: Breaking Free from a Minister's Sexual Abuse. Sandy serves on the board of Council Against Child Abuse. Sandy has spoken before the Ohio Senate, a Maryland court, and appeared on a local television show in Boston. Her story, “Stolen Innocence,” was told in a documentary produced by The Hope of Survivors. Sandy works with survivors conducting victim support conferences. She has participated in The Voice of the Faithful (VOTF) panels moderated by SNAP (Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests), sharing her perspective from the non-Catholic point of view. More info: sandyphillipskirkham.com

This verse is from 1 John 2: 15-17.  The battle for the human heart that began at the fall of man, is accelerating, we can sense it, almost smell it in the air we breath. The world that we grew up in, while not perfect, at least gave those of us fortunate enough to have been born in the United States,  the freedom to breath and to choose good or evil for the most part. The air of freedom is being snuffed out, and many do not seem to notice. This battle begins and ends at the level of the human heart, your heart and my heart. What does it take to turn this situation around? In answering this question tow fundamental truths should be kept in mind: first, that man, men and women, are called to live in truth and love; and second, that everyone finds fulfillment through the sincere gift of self. Join Linda and Jack as they discuss Audience #43 that Pope John Paul II presented on October 8, 1980."Every day the power of "Man and Woman He Created Them, a Theology of the Body"...the great body of work that John Paul II began to share almost as soon as he became Pope,  becomes more relevant for our time."--JackThe solution to the crisis of our time will not be found by looking out but by looking in!Don't forget to sign up for our Newsletter!!  JPll Renewal Center email listSubscribe to Jack's SubstackPlease consider being a Sponsor! "The future of humanity passes by way of the family"--John Paul II.Please send donations to support our work to:John Paul II Renewal Center902 S Randall RoadSTE C #296St. Charles, IL. 60174Support the show     Email me with questions! Contact Jack: BWYR Podcast is a production of the John Paul ll Renewal Center or email him at info@jp2renew.orgPlease share this with your friends and family!Also listen to podcast #310: "Mind Pollutors" with Monica ClineAnd #308 "Stolen Innocence" The National Sex Ed Standards with Tom HampsonSupport the show

Jamie Reed, 42, is blowing the whistle" on the children's gender clinic where she worked.Tom and Jack discuss The Free Press article posted by Jay Richards, who fights gender ideology through his work at The Heritage Foundation, in a thread of tweets, saying, Read Thomas Hampsons article, Settled Science?  Doctor Miriam Grossman was well ahead of this travesty. Check out her new book out soon. As was Abigail Shrier in her book "Irreversible Damage""We have our first major whistleblower from a ghoulish pediatric gender clinic. She violates all the media tropes."Tom Hampson has been an investigator for over 50 years. As Chief investigator for the Illinois Crime Investigating Commission he directed an eight-year investigation into the sexual exploitation of children, including the commercial sex trade.  Today Tom and Jack work together to create help community awareness on what is happening to our children!Please consider financially supporting the Truth Alliance Foundation and the John Paul II Renewal Center!Follow Tom Hampson and support his work to protect our children!truthalliancefoundation.orgDon't forget to sign up for our Newsletter!!  JPll Renewal Center email listEmail me with questions!Contact Jack: BWYR Podcast is a production of the John Paul ll Renewal Center or email him at info@jp2renew.orgAlso listen to podcast #310: "Mind Pollutors" with Monica Cline and #308 "Stolen Innocence" The National Sex Ed Standards with Tom HampsonSupport the show

We know the rule not to commit adultery. We have an experience of "desire" in our body. Now John Paul II follows Jesus to the "Heart". This is what Christ is always after, for He "desires" that your heart be filled. A man asked, "If I cannot lust after my wife, then who can I lust after?" Dah...nobody.  Looking up at the humility of the Bridegroom on the Cross tells a radically different  story. His kingship is one of service and love. One of mercy and forgiveness. And Jesus, the Redeemer of man, came for you! Join Linda and Jack as they discuss Audience #42 that Pope John Paul II presented on October 1, 1980. "Every day the power of "Man and Woman He Created Them, a Theology of the Body"...the great body of work that John Paul II began to share almost as soon as he became Pope,  becomes more relevant for our time."--JackThe solution to the crisis of our time will not be found by looking out but by looking in!Don't forget to sign up for our Newsletter!!  JPll Renewal Center email listSubscribe to Jack's SubstackPlease consider being a Sponsor! "The future of humanity passes by way of the family"--John Paul II.Please send donations to support our work to:John Paul II Renewal Center902 S Randall RoadSTE C #296St. Charles, IL. 60174Support the show     Email me with questions! Contact Jack: BWYR Podcast is a production of the John Paul ll Renewal Center or email him at info@jp2renew.orgPlease share this with your friends and family!Also listen to podcast #310: "Mind Pollutors" with Monica ClineAnd #308 "Stolen Innocence" The National Sex Ed Standards with Tom HampsonSupport the show

Jack is joined by author and founder of the Truth Alliance Foundation, Thomas Hampson. Link to Settled Science by Tom HampsonWhat we are doing to our children is anything but settled science. Tom Hampson has been an investigator for over 50 years. As Chief investigator for the Illinois Crime Investigating Commission he directed an eight-year investigation into the sexual exploitation of children, including the commercial sex trade.  Today Tom and Jack work together to create help community awareness on what is happening to our children!Please consider financially supporting the Truth Alliance Foundation and the John Paul II Renewal Center!Follow Tom Hampson and support his work to protect our children! truthalliancefoundation.orgDon't forget to sign up for our Newsletter!!  JPll Renewal Center email listEmail me with questions!Contact Jack: BWYR Podcast is a production of the John Paul ll Renewal Center or email him at info@jp2renew.orgAlso listen to podcast #310: "Mind Pollutors" with Monica Cline and #308 "Stolen Innocence" The National Sex Ed Standards with Tom HampsonSupport the show

"Every day the power of "Man and Woman He Created Them, a Theology of the Body"...the great body of work that John Paul II began to share almost as soon as he became Pope,  becomes more relevant for our time."--JackThe solution to the crisis of our time will not be found by looking out but by looking in! Join Linda and Jack for a deep dive into our culture and the impact that todays General Audience #41, that John Paul II presented on September 24, 1980, has to say to us. Don't forget to sign up for our Newsletter!!  JPll Renewal Center email listSubscribe to Jack's SubstackPlease consider being a Sponsor! "The future of humanity passes by way of the family"--John Paul II.Please send donations to support our work to:John Paul II Renewal Center902 S Randall RoadSTE C #296St. Charles, IL. 60174Support the show     Email me with questions! Contact Jack: BWYR Podcast is a production of the John Paul ll Renewal Center or email him at info@jp2renew.orgPlease share this with your friends and family!Also listen to podcast #310: "Mind Pollutors" with Monica Cline And #308 "Stolen Innocence" The National Sex Ed Standards with Tom HampsonSupport the show

This is a show for parents, better to ask small children to leave the room. Tom Hampson and Jack discuss the compromised and corrupted public education system in the United States.  It is causing a mental health crisis in children that may effect them for a lifetime. Why do we put up with it? --The New Sex Ed Standards being taught in the public school system--How to preserve childhood innocence by creating safe zones where children are not exposed to early sexualization and grooming--Educating yourself and spreading awareness to others about the evils of sexualization and exploitation, even when the truth is difficult to acceptSoon coming: How to Spot Sexual PredatorsTom Hampson has been an investigator for over 50 years. As Chief investigator for the Illinois Crime Investigating Commission he directed an eight-year investigation into the sexual exploitation of children, including the commercial sex trade.  Today Tom and Jack work together to create help community awareness on what is happening to our children!Please consider financially supporting the Truth Alliance Foundation and the John Paul II Renewal Center!Follow Tom Hampson and support his work to protect our children! truthalliancefoundation.orgDon't forget to sign up for our Newsletter!!  JPll Renewal Center email listEmail me with questions!Contact Jack: BWYR Podcast is a production of the John Paul ll Renewal Center or email him at info@jp2renew.orgAlso listen to podcast #310: "Mind Pollutors" with Monica Cline and #308 "Stolen Innocence" The National Sex Ed Standards with Tom HampsonSupport the show

Our Lady of Good Success said back in the 17th Century: "Thus I make it known to you that from the end of the 19th century and shortly after the middle of the 20th ...the passions will erupt and there will be a total corruption of morals...As for the Sacrament of Matrimony, which symbolizes the union of Christ with His Church, it will be attacked and deeply profaned. Freemasonry, which will then be in power, will enact iniquitous laws with the aim of doing away with this Sacrament, making it easy for everyone to live in sin and encouraging procreation of illegitimate children born without the blessing of the Church...In this supreme moment of need for the Church, the one who should speak will fall silent." Please consider financially supporting the Truth Alliance Foundation and the John Paul II Renewal Center!Follow Tom Hampson and support his work to protect our children! truthalliancefoundation.orgDon't forget to sign up for our Newsletter!!  JPll Renewal Center email listEmail me with questions!Contact Jack: BWYR Podcast is a production of the John Paul ll Renewal Center or email him at info@jp2renew.orgAlso listen to podcast #310: "Mind Pollutors" with Monica Cline And #308 "Stolen Innocence" The National Sex Ed Standards with Tom HampsonSupport the show

--The New Sex Ed Standards being taught in the public school system--How to preserve childhood innocence by creating safe zones where children are not exposed to early sexualization and grooming--Educating yourself and spreading awareness to others about the evils of sexualization and exploitation, even when the truth is difficult to acceptSoon coming: How to Spot Sexual PredatorsTom Hampson has been an investigator for over 50 years. As Chief investigator for the Illinois Crime Investigating Commission he directed an eight-year investigation into the sexual exploitation of children, including the commercial sex trade.  Today Tom and Jack work together to create help community awareness on what is happening to our children! Please consider financially supporting the Truth Alliance Foundation and the John Paul II Renewal Center!Follow Tom Hampson and support his work to protect our children! truthalliancefoundation.orgDon't forget to sign up for our Newsletter!!  JPll Renewal Center email listEmail me with questions!Contact Jack: BWYR Podcast is a production of the John Paul ll Renewal Center or email him at info@jp2renew.orgAlso listen to podcast #310: "Mind Pollutors" with Monica Cline and #308 "Stolen Innocence" The National Sex Ed Standards with Tom HampsonSupport the show

--The New Sex Ed Standards being taught in the public school system--How to preserve childhood innocence by creating safe zones where children are not exposed to early sexualization and grooming--Educating yourself and spreading awareness to others about the evils of sexualization and exploitation, even when the truth is difficult to acceptSoon coming: How to Spot Sexual PredatorsTom Hampson has been an investigator for over 50 years. As Chief investigator for the Illinois Crime Investigating Commission he directed an eight-year investigation into the sexual exploitation of children, including the commercial sex trade.  Today Tom and Jack work together to create help community awareness on what is happening to our children! Please consider financially supporting the Truth Alliance Foundation and the John Paul II Renewal Center! Follow Tom Hampson and support his work to protect our children! truthalliancefoundation.orgDon't forget to sign up for our Newsletter!!  JPll Renewal Center email listEmail me with questions!Contact Jack: BWYR Podcast is a production of the John Paul ll Renewal Center or email him at info@jp2renew.orgAlso listen to podcast #227: "Woke" Neo-Marxists are Destroying Our Children's Future and Taking Down Our Country.A whole generation of teachers has been indoctrinated to believe that their role is no longer to teach children to think but to turn them into activists for "Woke" Neo-Marxists whose stated goal is to destroy the United States of America by taking down the traditional  family and infiltrating the culture with every sort of perversion imaginable.Support the show

Todays Episode is a reply to John's Comments to my recent article in the Catholic Exchange, link provided below.My reply to John: Thank you for your civil comment John. I have the sense that you are a seeker after the Truth. You are correct that Jesus' had family members in own lineage who were not perfect. Jesus addresses this, and other marriage and family situations, in his reply to the Pharisees in the Gospel of Matthew where he is questioned on divorce, and says, “In the beginning it was not so” (Matt 19:3-8). He then goes on to point them, and us, to the first two chapters of Genesis. John, most of the sexual confusion, addiction, and relationship dysfunction that I see in the world today is the result of trying to fill the infinite desires of the human heart with finite things and finite solutions. Modern men and women, shackled to the finite by their iPhone, education and a toxic culture live in disconnection, like cut-flowers, severed from their roots. They seem to have lost the heavenly perspective that their hearts are pointing them to. Jesus comes into our irregular, fallen world, not to normalize the fall but to point us to the larger story, which is an eternal love story, it's always been a love story. When you have an opportunity please read the first letter of John, it is beautiful and powerful. There you will read that, God is Love…and its not that we loved God, but that God loved us first (1 John 4:7-12). Please keep me in your prayers and I will keep you in mine. Jack Stolen Innocence - The Spiritual War On Children And FamiliesSubscribe to Jack's Substack Subscribe to the Magnificat, Daily Mass Readings and Much More! Please consider being a Sponsor! "The future of humanity passes by way of the family"--John Paul II.Please send donations to support our work to:John Paul II Renewal Center902 S Randall RoadSTE C #296St. Charles, IL. 60174Support the show     Email me with questions! Contact Jack: BWYR Podcast is a production of the John Paul ll Renewal Center or email him at info@jp2renew.orgPlease share this with your friends and family!Don't forget to sign up for our Newsletter!!  JPll Renewal Center email listSupport the show

And Jesus said to his disciples, "Temptations to sin are sure to come; but woe to him by whom they come! It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea, than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin" (Lk 17:1-2).Strolling through my neighborhood while admiring the Christmas decorations I wandered upon a simple Nativity Scene. In a warmly lit stable Our Blessed Mother, Saint Joseph, and a few farm animals looked down upon the Christ Child laying on a bed of straw...Join Jack for a Christmas reflection and a meditation on the Spiritual War that Jesus came into the world to help us win. Please consider being a Sponsor! "The future of humanity passes by way of the family"--John Paul II.Please send donations to support our work to:John Paul II Renewal Center902 S Randall RoadSTE C #296St. Charles, IL. 60174Support the show     Email me with questions! Contact Jack: BWYR Podcast is a production of the John Paul ll Renewal Center or email him at info@jp2renew.orgPlease share this with your friends and family!Don't forget to sign up for our Newsletter!!  JPll Renewal Center email listSupport the show

This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. We're getting into a whole lot of mess with this one, so if you haven't listened to Part 1 of this story from earlier this week, you'll be mighty confused. Make sure to give it a listen before diving in here.  Many people became aware of the horrors taking place within the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (if you were really in touch with God s/he'd have given you a better name) after watching Keep Sweet: Pray and Obey on Netflix. Our guest on today's show, Elissa Wall, had to live through them.  Born into a polygamous family within Salt Lake City, Utah's FLDS—which is how we'll be referring to it from here on out— Wall was only 14 when church leaders orchestrated a marriage between the child and her 19-year-old cousin, Allen Steed. Unfortunately, such marriages were insanely frequent within the church, with girls as young as 12-years-old being groomed and forced to marry older men. Much of this is thanks to human trash can Warren Jeffs, president and prophet of the FLDS, who can also add convicted child rapist to his list of titles. At one point, Jeffs had 78 “wives,” 24 of whom were children. Now, he's serving life in prison, with no small help from Elissa Wall.  Wall's autobiography is titled, Stolen Innocence: My Story of Growing Up in a Polygamous Sect, Becoming a Teenage Bride, and Breaking Free of Warren Jeffs. The book became a New York Times bestseller and is a fascinating but heart wrenching look into the truly fucked up world of Warren Jeffs.  Also… Hear Ye, Hear Ye: The views and opinions expressed on A Little Bit Culty do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the podcast. Any content provided by our guests, bloggers, sponsors or authors are of their opinion and are not intended to malign any religion, group, club, organization, business individual, anyone or anything. Nobody's mad at you, just don't be a culty fuckwad. Other Links: Check out our lovely sponsors Join ‘A Little Bit Culty' on Patreon Get poppin' fresh ALBC Swag Support the pod and smash this link Cult awareness and recovery resources CREDITS:  Executive Producers: Sarah Edmondson & Anthony Ames Production Partner: Citizens of Sound Producer: Will Retherford Senior Producer: Jess Tardy Writer: Mathias Rosenzweig Theme Song: “Cultivated” by Jon Bryant co-written with Nygel Asselin

This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Many people became aware of the horrors taking place within the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (if you were really in touch with God s/he'd have given you a better name) after watching Keep Sweet: Pray and Obey on Netflix. Our guest on today's show, Elissa Wall, had to live through them.  Born into a polygamous family within Salt Lake City, Utah's FLDS—which is how we'll be referring to it from here on out— Wall was only 14 when church leaders orchestrated a marriage between the child and her 19-year-old cousin, Allen Steed. Unfortunately, such marriages were insanely frequent within the church, with girls as young as 12-years-old being groomed and forced to marry older men. Much of this is thanks to human trash can Warren Jeffs, president and prophet of the FLDS, who can also add convicted child rapist to his list of titles. At one point, Jeffs had 78 “wives,” 24 of whom were children. Now, he's serving life in prison, with no small help from Elissa Wall.  Wall's autobiography is titled, Stolen Innocence: My Story of Growing Up in a Polygamous Sect, Becoming a Teenage Bride, and Breaking Free of Warren Jeffs. The book became a New York Times bestseller and is a fascinating but heart wrenching look into the truly fucked up world of Warren Jeffs.  Stay tuned for part 2 on Thursday.  Also… Hear Ye, Hear Ye: The views and opinions expressed on A Little Bit Culty do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the podcast. Any content provided by our guests, bloggers, sponsors or authors are of their opinion and are not intended to malign any religion, group, club, organization, business individual, anyone or anything. Nobody's mad at you, just don't be a culty fuckwad. Other Links: Check out our lovely sponsors Join ‘A Little Bit Culty' on Patreon Get poppin' fresh ALBC Swag Support the pod and smash this link Cult awareness and recovery resources CREDITS:  Executive Producers: Sarah Edmondson & Anthony Ames Production Partner: Citizens of Sound Producer: Will Retherford Senior Producer: Jess Tardy Writer: Mathias Rosenzweig Theme Song: “Cultivated” by Jon Bryant co-written with Nygel Asselin

Human trafficking happening in the area where you live but you may not even notice it. In fact, it's happening everywhere in this country. Today, Sara takes an intense look at the growing scourge of human trafficking and how so many women, boys, and girls are sexually exploited or forced into labor (or both) right here in the United States.Sara shares the story of a recent human trafficking victim who was taken from an NBA game in Dallas a few weeks ago, but it goes much deeper. She also shares the horrific statistics on trafficking from the United Nations, the shocking prominence of women in luring children and other women into captivity, and why it is vital for parents to keep an eye on what their kids are doing online and on their phones.Sara also takes aim at the mainstream media for basically burying the shocking story of a man attempting to murder a Supreme Court justice. Please visit our great sponsors:The Association of Mature American Citizenshttps://amac.us/carterThe benefits of membership are great, but the cause is even greater.Presidential Election Projectwww.presidentialelectionproject.comVisit to learn more about why reform of the Electoral Count Act is so important. Lear Capitalhttps://learsara.comGet up to $10,000 in FREE bonus coins based on the value of your gold coin purchase

Human trafficking happening in the area where you live but you may not even notice it. In fact, it’s happening everywhere in this country. Today, Sara takes an intense look at the growing scourge of human trafficking and how so many women, boys, and girls are sexually exploited or forced into labor (or both) right […]