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Episode 190 is on the scene. Karl Budzevski won the last Limited Late Model event nearly two weeks ago at Pulaski County Motorsports Park. He is one of two guests this week. He discusses his feelings on racing returning to Pulaski, what the IHRA is bringing to the table, his career in the sport and the score he gave Julian on his name pronunciation among other topics.Alex Meggs thrilled the crowd at Tri-County Speedway on Saturday night in a photo finish in the Late Model Stock Division over Arthur Gamma who was making his first start on an oval. The seventeen year old joins us as he reflects on the weekend that was, driving for Lee McCall, enjoying the outdoors and much more.Julian spent his Friday night at Kingsport Speedway and caught up with Late Model winner Alex Miller following his second win in a matter of two weeks. We also discuss the action from Kingsport, Slate Myers Late Model debut at Ace plus happenings at Bowman Gray, Langley and much more!The zMAX CARS Tour returns to action on Saturday in the Mini's Mission 125 at Dominion Raceway and we give you a preview of the event in full. From the return of Butterbean and Mini Tyrrell to Connor Hall and Jared Fryar driving for Barry Nelson to the other regular hit makers on the tour, it promises to be another exciting event just off of I-95. We also discuss the recent news involving Carson Loftin and debate why it didn't work out for him at Nelson Motorsports. Are we getting ready to ride the tidal wave that would be the Summer of Denny? Denny Hamlin made it back to back wins Sunday at Michigan but also made it back to back weekends where he had to come from last position after starting on the pole. Confused? We break it down and much more in our Cup Series review from Michigan.All of this plus we discuss the Heim and Honeycutt post race talk from Michigan, billboards in Winston Salem, bras and more on another jam packed DLN!

Hour 3 of May 22, 2026 Jacob Townsend talks with former Tennessee Vol and current Charlotte Hornet, Grant Williams, about coming to Kingsport to speak in a couple of weeks, his time at Tennessee, his NBA career, and more. Then, Jacob goes through the Players Era Tournament bracket that has been set for 2026. Also, he talks to Brent Dugger, who is hosting a card show in Elizabethton on Saturday. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jacob Townsend talks with former Tennessee Vol and current Charlotte Hornet, Grant Williams, about coming to Kingsport to speak in a couple of weeks, his time at Tennessee, his NBA career, and more.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Amy's guest is Susie Kawar, owner and operator of Little Mountain Flower Farm, located in Maryville, TN. A design-centered floral farm and studio. Susie grows her flowers and puts together farm-fresh floral arrangements by hand in her floral studio right on her family's farm.  Also, in Fred Sauceman's Pot Luck Radio series, he features one of Tennessee's oldest restaurants, Nicks of Kingsport, Tennessee. 

On this episode of White Coat Radio, we're joined by two specialty pharmacists making an impact in Tennessee. Dr. Tabitha Sineath ('24), an ETSU Bill Gatton College of Pharmacy alumna who earned both her PharmD and MBA through the college's dual degree program, now serves as Lead Pharmacist at Walgreens Specialty Pharmacy in Nashville, where she is the Clinical Lead for Transplant and Chronic Inflammatory Conditions. She is joined by Dr. Katie Cox, who manages Walgreens Specialty Pharmacy in Knoxville. Together, they share insights into careers in specialty pharmacy, their work in women's health, and the real-world applications of their training.  Full transcript: Tabitha Sineath Because you take back bits and pieces from every experience, whether that be as a student on rotations to your first job or what you ultimately grow into. It's the bits and pieces that you know as part of your experience that truly kind of define you over time. So don't. My advice to students is don't give up on that and continue to kind of seek those out because you know in your heart where your passion lies, you have to make the pathway. Michele Williams Welcome to White Coat Radio, a podcast from East Tennessee State University. Bill Gatton College of Pharmacy in Johnson City, Tennessee. Each episode, we cover a wide range of topics about the pharmacy school experience, from study tips to deep dives with faculty and student pharmacists. I'm one of your hosts, Doctor Michelle Williams, assistant professor and director of academic success. Stephen Woodward And I'm Stephen Woodward, marketing and communications manager. Today we welcome Doctor Tabitha Sign at the 2024 alumna from Gatton, who, in addition to earning her PharmD, also completed our dual degree program to earn a master of Business Administration while she was here. That prepared her to now serve as leave pharmacist at the Walgreens Specialty Pharmacy in Nashville, Tennessee, where she is a clinical lead for transplant and chronic inflammatory conditions. Stephen Woodward But today, we have not one but two specialty pharmacies joining us. Doctor Katie Cox, who manages Walgreens specialty Pharmacy in Knoxville, also stopped by. Let's hear from them now. Doctor Cox, doctor Sineath welcome to White Coat Radio. Thank you all for coming out today. Katie Cox Thank you for having you. Stephen Woodward Can you start by telling us about your roles at Walgreens and where you work? Katie Cox Yeah. Tabitha Sineath So I am, lead pharmacist at our specialty site in Nashville. And, oversee primarily our transplant in chronic inflammatory condition patients. Stephen Woodward Okay. Katie Cox So I work at Walgreens as well. I manage the, specialty pharmacy structure at Walgreens is a little bit different. I mean, it's the site that's in Knoxville. And, what's called registered manager, local specialty. So I'm over the whole site. I'll own kind of your accreditation and specific accreditation, not just for specialty pharmacies, but it does apply, within the specialty pharmacy field. Katie Cox Then there's an M.O., which is a pharmacy manager, and what we traditionally think of as a pharmacy manager. And then they're all kind of structured differently, which is what I love about specialties. It's like each side is a snowflake. It looks a little bit different. So the Nashville site has care. Teams are a little bit larger site. We are a newer site. Katie Cox I launched our site in 2023. And then we've got five pharmacists now, but we don't have a specific care team, so we kind of all share and own the disease state since we've structured a little bit differently than Nashville. Tabitha Sineath Yeah. And we talk about care teams a little bit. That's just kind of a delineation of what type of disease state we're managing. So in in Nashville, we're a little more bucketed. We have a virology and oncology pharmacist who oversees those patients, neurology, who oversees, like migraine and seizures. And, I oversee chronic inflammatory in our transplant, which includes not only solid organ but stem cell. Tabitha Sineath And we have a unique partnership with Sarah Kane and clinic across the street, as part of the tri star network, to help those patients. And then we have a lot of miscellaneous specialty that kind of filters in, that don't really fit nicely into a bucket. So that's kind of where we all cross-train and help out. Stephen Woodward Okay, cool. Thank you. Michele Williams Yeah, that sounds great. So can can each of you tell us a little bit about what led you to specialty pharmacy? What it is about your your background, your work experiences, those kinds of things. And, Tabitha, if we could start with you, that would be good. Sure. Tabitha Sineath I started out, as a pharmacy technician for Walgreens, many years ago. I'm not going to say save a year, but, a few decades back, and, my path has not been linear in that sense. But I advance kind of to the top of my level as a technician and wanted to go back into pharmacy to get my pharmacy. Tabitha Sineath And always had been that drive in that pull for me. And finally just took the dive. But I think the catalyst for me was more of like a personal experience that led me to specialty. When I was trying to start our family and a lot of family planning, we realized that we would need a lot of additional help. Tabitha Sineath So in terms of, fertility specialty, we had to go through in vitro fertilization. And with that came a lot of specialty medications that, there was not great education around. And these are really expensive medications. And I, I said to myself, you know, there's got to be a better way to handle this for patients. And so that was really my draw to say, you know, this is this is my niche. 00;05;24;09 - 00;05;31;21 Tabitha Sineath This is where my passion lies. And that's really what I want to do. I want to help those patients, and have great outcomes. Michele Williams That's wonderful. Yeah. Katie Cox So, I also have a very nontraditional path towards pharmacy. When I was in undergrad, I studied chemistry and biochemistry, and I did research for the government on, carbon nanotube technology. I went to medical school, and I got, my medical doctorate, and then I had some health issues, and was trying to figure out how to restructure balanced life. Katie Cox For someone who is a high achiever, that can't work less than 120%, and we give you a lot of leeway for the optimal work life balance. I did not know I would have the additional years that I got so thrilled and pharmacy kind of looked like a great career to dovetail my chemistry biochemistry interest, along with what I had learned in medicine. Katie Cox And so, I finished pharmacy school and I went and graduated in 2016, and I started in, management. So I started out as a staff pharmacist, was not there very long and then started managing. I mean, it's 5 or 6 different sites, kind of jokingly say I was like the cleaner where they would send me to a pharmacy that maybe needed to implement better workflow or had some structure issues, or maybe had lost a really good leader and was trying to kind of figure out how to get back to where they were. Katie Cox And so I would kind of get us realigned and going well. And then specialty pharmacy, which I think is a great topic to talk about because I think a lot of times when you think of Walgreens, you don't necessarily think of specialty pharmacy. But it is a huge section of Walgreens. And I even when I started working for Walgreens, I did not know that we had specialty pharmacies. Katie Cox At that time, there was not one in Knoxville on the closest ones were either Nashville or Bristol, Kingsport. And so I took the opportunity to go and shadow at those sites and kind of see what it looked like. And it was a really great niche sort of space and community where you still do a lot of clinical work. Katie Cox And have long term interactions with your patients. I similarly had a fertility journey when my husband, we were trying to have our daughter and so helping patients navigate some of the fertility and understanding how much of the communication gets dropped off between the patient walking out of the physician's office and then coming into the pharmacy or getting the medications, and how probably a lot of the issues with our health care system are kind of this lack of continuity of care or like regular check ins with the same person who knows your history. Katie Cox And so I feel like specialty pharmacy fits so great into that space. And it's kind of under utilized in some capacities for patients both with billing access and then like long term management. And so I always like to include to you, like when I talk to students, they say, well what is specialty pharmacy like? Why is it special? Katie Cox And I kind of always joke, you know, it's it's an interesting and really great question to ask because there's not technically a specific definition of specialty pharmacy. Right. Medicare, Medicaid, our two biggest payers don't actually define specialty pharmacy, which kind of means that it ends up being defined by third party payers in some capacity, by manufacturers and access points and by some capacity, because there's drugs that are limited distribution drug, you can only get certain places. Katie Cox But a really good point like definition would be highly expensive, medications or medications that potentially would have chronic issues or adverse events that could occur because of the conditions that we're managing would make it more difficult to distinguish between like maybe an adverse event versus something that's happening with like multiple comorbidities. So it helps with tracking for data. Katie Cox So we learned in school, you know, about the four phases of studying drugs. And so I'll always talk about specialty pharmacy really fits into that post-marketing phase of study. And so always ask my students like how how did you decide. We tell patients 5% of patients have migraines, right? It probably wasn't the thousand patients we looked at in phase three is probably when it hit the market. Katie Cox And we were looking at phase four. Where do we where does that data come from? Right. And so specialty pharmacies usually provide data points. That go towards far more manufacturers and really also help us as pharmacists or clinicians tell patients about what to expect with the medications. But a lot of that is related to the adverse event reporting that we do. Katie Cox So we do track patients very much long term, talk to them on every refill, track adherence, track side effects, and then report that back so that that data can be used to help, you know, benefit patients in the future. And so it's really helpful. So you're kind of participating in the research around drug habit in specialty pharmacy, whether you recognize it or not, because there's so much data reporting that we do within the pharmacy industry, which is helpful in the long term for us to determine which patients should be optimally on that therapy, especially if it's an orphan drug or an unusual one that's going to have a small patient population using it. Katie Cox How do we get enough data to make that tractable for us to make better decisions in the future, when we're setting up guidelines or taking care of patients? Michele Williams I hadn't realized, although. Yeah. Stephen Woodward What does this what does your sites look like physically? Are they like the Walgreens on the corner, or does it look like something else? Tabitha Sineath Yeah, they're I mean, they're open door. So it's not, closed door pharmacy. We have patients that can come in and fill antibiotics if they want to. But primarily we serve more like a mail order type facility. Okay. Probably 95% of everything that we do goes out the door via Fedex. And that's just our courier that that we use. Tabitha Sineath But everything is communicated with those patients and, basically effectively shipped, so. Okay. But yeah, we have patients that walk in, in Nashville, we are situated very close to Vanderbilt University. So we have a lot of students that, even though there are two community sites that kind of flank us on either side, patients tend to find us either via walking route or some other way, but typically, our sites don't appear like a normal Walgreens, so you may pass it or you may just not even notice it in general, it's kind of very indiscreet. Stephen Woodward Okay. Tabitha Sineath And we don't have the big neon out front. And, you know, we always try to tell patients that are coming in to pick up either because of, you know, a delay. They don't want to wait for overnight delivery. I want to get started on therapy immediately. They're welcome to come in and pick that up, and we'll make those arrangements. Tabitha Sineath But we always for that visit. This is not your run of the mill big box. Stephen Woodward Yeah, I want to yeah. Katie Cox There's two. So there's two flavors of Walgreens specialty pharmacies. There's health systems and then there's community based. So health systems, what it sounds like do you located within the health system, usually inside a hospital. So within Tennessee we have one at Bristol. So the Bristol Regional Medical Center and then we have one in Kingsport. Those are both inside a hospital. Katie Cox Otherwise they're most often close to a campus, except for my site, which was the first or site in the company where a pharmacist flipped a retail site to a specialty site. So most specialty sites are built organically because the the structure inside the building looks different. I started with what was called a Cooper site, which was an ideal Walgreens had, where a lot of the, the, profit is made in the pharmacy. Katie Cox So it was a shrunken front end with a pharmacy and the main portion of it. And so we ended up converting that. So so what did we do? We gutted the front. So when you walk in. So ours is located in the strip mall, you'll notice, a lot of the community, specialty sites are located in the strip mall. Katie Cox And they'll say it'll say Walgreens Specialty pharmacy. But when patients walk in is when they notice a difference. So they might say, oh, Walgreens on the swing in here. And then they walk in and go, where's where's all your stuff, you know, and no, we have no friends. There's nothing. So there's just a counter. And then it's like, oh, I'm sorry, we only have like prescription medications here for you. Katie Cox And we do about the bulk of what we do. We also originally had a drive thru. We would close to that drive thru because, an a hole tell students when you come in and when you go to a normal retail site, where's the hustle and bustle? It's in the fill zone, right? Like if we're filling, we're checking prescriptions. Katie Cox We're counting at the window. When you're in a specialty site, the bulk of what we're seeing, the stress to you is a phone list that you're doing. And so you're going to see way more desks. You're going to see way more people on the phone. There's still patient interactions. It just looks a little bit different. And so anytime someone's been a traditional Walgreens pharmacist and they come to Cross-train in specialty, we kind of joke within the first hour, really high level, community pharmacists will go, oh, I see my skill set does not necessarily apply here because I'm used to the workflow structure being so different. Katie Cox And so it looks a lot different. So I always tell people, if you I hope you really enjoy talking to patients and having longer conversations, because that's kind of what we do here. And spend a good bit of time in doing a consultation with the patients. So before we dispense a drug, we do what's called an initial. Katie Cox And you may be on the phone with a patient for 30, 45 minutes, you know, very extensive discussions around the medications and what it might look like. And like we talked about before, continuity of care. Sometimes we're the first person really having a conversation with the patient about the diagnosis that they may have received. We have just found out I have multiple sclerosis. Katie Cox I've just found out that I've got Parkinson's. I've just found out I have cancer, you know, and now I'm talking to you all trying to navigate the drug aspect of this. And you're telling me very large numbers and lots of side effects, right. And so sometimes we call it kind of like a, we jokingly call it can like the specialty come down like you come in on the phone and then at the end we hope that you feel like, oh, I now understand a little bit of what I'm what I'm about to do and have some ownership in the process, being the patient in this and not feeling like I'm just kind of Katie Cox getting subjected to a lot of information and not knowing how to take like actionable next steps on it. And so example of that would be in specialty, which I think is a little bit different than a retail pharmacy is. We set a goal with the patient for every drug. And so how do we decide that that's the drug's working for you as an effective is it not effective. Katie Cox What does that look like? You know, we might have drugs that are very specific, like, oh, we're going to see a lowering of this lab, but you're not going to feel different versus another drug that might be, hey, this drug only allows you to live to a life of that. Right? So that's a good example I give to my students all the time, is that's a really specific drug that maybe we want a lot of adverse event data on, because while the drug is designed to let you live a little bit longer, unfortunately the condition that you have, most likely you will pass away when you're on this medication. Katie Cox So we want to make sure to tell them exactly specific of what to expect, what, how many days we think we're going to get and set a realistic and like logical goal for the patient. So maybe for a long drug, it might be I want to be able to play on Saturday when my grandkids come over, a lot of our pulmonary drugs, it's, my laundry room is downstairs. Katie Cox I can't do my laundry because I get out of breath. I have to sit down for an hour. So I want to be able to go down and come back up. And so I think it's really helpful in creating conversations for patients to determine, like, how do I decide this is going well, and then how do I use it appropriately to try to get the results that I'm talking to you guys about that are possible. Katie Cox And then even more so, maybe setting realistic expectations, right? Sometimes we feel like, particularly in this day and age, that we might have a cure all with a medication, and being able to set realistic expectations like, hey, this drug is going to help, with your liver, liver fibrosis, but we're also going to have to do like diet and exercise for you to achieve the goals that we're talking about and things like that. Katie Cox So that I feel like they really understand the process and can define what good would look like and how that might be different between different patients. Michele Williams That's very cool. So it's like really, really specific patient counseling relationships, talking about how the medication is really to a very specific degree. Katie Cox And then kind of gauging it based on the individual. Right. Something that we don't always in a lot of health care settings have the time to do. And that's one of the things I like about specialty pharmacy is you kind of have unlimited time. So I always joke to to my students, I'm like, it's like something so fantastic is something so terrifying, right? Katie Cox So somebody might go, oh my gosh, I can sit on the phone as long as I want. That sounds fantastic. And another person might go, oh, it sounds terrible. You know, I don't know where it's going to end. Right. And so it's like we're yeah, figuring out how to optimize it for what you feel like and how you want to be a pharmacist. Katie Cox And and that's one of the beautiful things about specialties. I feel like, like especially at a site like in Nashville, where you've been established for a really long time, you've got a lot of varied pharmacist roles at your site, and you can kind of gauge based on some of these goals and like what makes them happy at work, where you're going to pocket them for how much interaction they have with with patients and counseling versus leading to a team members versus, you know, like compounding or. Katie Cox Right. So you know, it's a beautiful profession because you can decide exactly what makes you happy during the day and then cater the role towards what you would you would want to get out of the day. Tabitha Sineath And there's so much variability even to between our care teams. I mean, I think the skill set for virology and oncology is very different from, say, miscellaneous specialty or somebody who's doing, a cardiac medication. And then we have, you know, non non-sterile, compounding that, we also do and we ship to ten different states. So with our site, we're dealing with patients from Maryland to Ohio to North Carolina. Tabitha Sineath I mean, it just varies all the way down to the south, Louisiana and Mississippi and Georgia. So our patients truly are all over, and really, I think you kind of hit on that. The beauty of what we do is the relationship building, because that in a sense, not only gets patients access, but it gets them engaged not only in their care, but also kind of what that outcome for them looks like. Tabitha Sineath And we can partner that with a lot of resources that we have the time and the functionality to do. And some of that is like the financial aspect because these medications are crazy expensive. Some of our neurology medications are about $100,000. Our, you know, hepatitis C treatment. You're looking at anywhere from 30 to 90,000, depending on which avenue in which vein we go down. Tabitha Sineath So, you know, in terms of like the payor aspect, you have to have great control, which is why access as many times is restricted just as specialty because of payers are going to be investing in that medication for that patient. They want to make sure that their outcomes are positive. So we do a lot of education and a lot of resource, facilitation with those patients to make sure that, you know, my goal is for them to walk out with zero. Tabitha Sineath So there's no out-of-pocket expenses to them. And we have access to grants and different foundations that can also kind of help funnel and provide those resources to make that happen. So when you talk to a patient who, you know, has a make applied prescription, that's $100,000, Tabitha Sineath That financial burden down to zero. I mean, that's that's the difference between, in some cases, life or death for these patients. Wow. Michele Williams So, thinking about our current students here again, what what sort of advice would you give? Student pharmacist who would be interested in going into specialty pharmacy? Tabitha Sineath I always say, if you can shadow get your foot in the door. Certainly work as a technician. Work in the field. That's going to give you the best access. You not only find out, is this really where you want to be? Because that's the most and part, the most important part of it. Nobody wants to, you know, show up day in and day out. Tabitha Sineath If that's not where your passion lies. Yeah. So finding that niche I think early on, is really helpful. But a lot of that begins with the proactive nature of that student. And then you have to step out of your comfort zone and say, this is something I'm interested in. How can I help facilitate that? You should network this around you. Tabitha Sineath Talk to people who are in that field. You know, we all have we all have connections. So it's really kind of navigating who, you know, and, drawing those, those webs together. Katie Cox You know, I get asked this question a lot by my students, and it's evolved over the last decade of me being a pharmacist. So I think when I was a newer pharmacist, I used to give the advice of like find a really good. And it's still not wrong advice. It's just evolved a little bit. I think in the beginning it was fun, a really good mentor and and make sure that you're like, find somebody who you feel like optimized in their career the way that you want to be, and then ask those questions and figure it out. Katie Cox And I think as I've been in the profession and trained a lot of students, I precept for for schools, I've recognized maybe two, just like how I define that for them, because we don't do a fantastic job in grad school, we're very focused on like making sure we enter the profession well, right. We're going to be good professionals. Katie Cox We want to learn what we have. And I kind of joke like we have we're really good at herd mentality, right? Like you're joining the profession of pharmacy, right? We're all joining this together. But self-awareness and like an individualized approach to your career is a trickier thing. And it makes sense because that's how we kind of do education. Katie Cox But I think a different way of saying find a good mentor is doing what you would like to in your career is saying find out, like become more self-aware of what makes you happy. So I always tell students when you're on rotations, and I know, you know, I always ask them their biggest fears to not like great on rotation around, but typically ask the question that I don't know the answer to. Katie Cox Well, let me tell you, you're going to get asked a question that you don't know the answer to. Precept. Every month I've teed you up so that I can teach you with the question. Right? So get over that hurdle and start thinking about what days when you're on rotations, do you leave and think, because we all have a day at work out where you leave and you're like, oh, I picked the right job. Katie Cox I'm so happy. I love what I do. This is a great day. And then equanimity of life, right? There's another day where you leave and you think, oh, oh shit, that's something else. I wish I'd opened that little shop I should have, like, learn how to do interior design. So you like, you know, it's like equanimity, right? It's both of those days. Katie Cox But I think there's if you can track like some trends to that, especially on rotation. That's the idea of rotations, right? The joke at school was always the moment you felt comfortable with where you were going, was the moment you were going to stop going there. Right about week 3 or 4, you start getting comfortable. You love the team you're with and and boom, it's like, oh, 48 hours later, you get to go on and like learn how to like adjust another month. Katie Cox That's a really great life skill to build on. And then recognizing when you're on those rotations, when you love the day or hate the day, what was it? Was it what you did? Was it who you were with? Was it your schedule? Was it the environment? You know, and then figuring out when with self-awareness like what that looks like, which is really hard with how we do grad school. Katie Cox Right? Like I joke, when I have most students, especially when I have a couple of them, I'll say before you make a decision, what do you do? Right? What do you do? You call your friend and you go, hey, I was thinking about doing this. Tabitha, what do you think about me doing this? You think I should do this? Katie Cox You think you should do this rotation? Do you think I should go and do this internship? You think I should take this job, right? We vet it from someone else. But. So I'll give the example. We have five girlfriends that all are pharmacists. We all have different jobs, we all live in different states and we all have different personalities. Katie Cox And so we all, so we have one who works at Kaiser Permanente. She's an inpatient doing it there. I have one who worked in a nonprofit HIV community clinic, that helps patients there. I have, me that means in a specialty pharmacy, I have someone else who manages a retail site. And we all have equal complaints because work is work, right? Katie Cox It's not one or the other, but we all have different personalities. So one of us loves talking to patients all day. Wonderful. One of us is like, no, I'm good on that. I'd like to lead over here in the office and not do that right. And she loves that. Right. And so I think sometimes we lose that in school, a little bit of of utilizing the APIs to learn about ourselves we get so stressed about like especially here at Gatton, like you're good, you're going to pass for that. Katie Cox Like you're going, you're going to be a pharmacist. So focus on being your happiest and best self and then figuring out how to use those APIs to figure out what is your best day look like. And then how do I figure out how to create a career for myself where I have the best day? And so I always tell my students, I'm like, I'm sure anyone can think of that one disgruntled person, right? Katie Cox He's like, well, I can't believe you went to pharmacy school, which I went through here, you know, waste your time. But it's probably not because of pharmacy, right? It's probably because they're not optimized to like, their self-awareness or their happiness. And so figuring that out early on and and then the other thing that I think is a really great piece of advice is careers aren't where they used to be. Katie Cox This is in the 40s and 50s where you picked your job, and that first job is the job you retired from, right? Like, you can move around in your career. And while change is hard for us as humans, I think it's great to be able to explore. So you're just looking for your first job, right? And then figuring out what you use that to leverage to the next. Katie Cox I'm actually my first job as a staff pharmacist, and I became a manager. Then I managed a bigger pharmacy. Then I decided I wanted to do specialty pharmacy. Now I manage a specialty pharmacy, and I'm hoping to launch that into managing more specialty pharmacies over different states. But so what's that next growth moment and like space moment for you and then figuring out how to optimize it for you as an individual. Katie Cox Instead of feeling like you need to fit yourself into the career of pharmacy. Tabitha Sineath I think those breadcrumbs along the way to kind of help like define what that pathway looks like, because you take big bits and pieces from every experience, whether that be as a student on rotations to your first job or what you ultimately grow into. It's the bits and pieces that you know as part of your experience that truly kind of define you over time. Tabitha Sineath So don't. My advice to students is don't give up on that and continue to kind of seek those out because you know in your heart where your passion lies, you have to make the pathway, but you have to be proactive about it. Katie Cox Yeah, I think when I was younger, I thought lifelong learner meant drugs. And now I'm like, no, no, no. It means so much more than that. It's not just the knowledge for like what you're doing in your work, but it's also like lifelong learner about myself, about my profession, about how to interact with patients and engage them and advocate for them and give them agency and what that looks like. Katie Cox And it changes over time as you change, but like recognizing that so that you don't get in there in a rut and think, well, I'm not happy now when I was well, you've evolved, you know, evolve your profession with you and you'll always be happy. Michele Williams That's such great advice. Yeah, that's really good advice. Stephen Woodward We've we really appreciate you all being here. I think that was a great note to end on. But, thank you all and hope to see you again soon. Katie Cox Absolutely. Thank you. Tabitha Sineath All. Thanks. Stephen Woodward Thanks for listening to White Coat Radio. If you haven't already, be sure to subscribe and leave this review. To learn more about ETSU Bill Gatton College of Pharmacy, visit us at ETSU.edu slash pharmacy or follow us on social media at ETSUpharmacy. We'll see you next time.  

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Hour 1 of May 1, 2026 Jacob Townsend recaps the Big Orange Caravan event Thursday night in Kingsport. Then, he talks about ETSU picking up another transfer portal commit on Thursday, as well as hiring a new assistant coach. Also, he has sound from Lady Vols head coach Kim Caldwell from the Big Orange Caravan.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hour 3 of April 30, 2026 Jacob Townsend and Bud talk with studio sponsor, K.D. Bowen of Fanatics 101. Then, they preview the Big Orange Caravan tonight in Kingsport. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What do you do when you believe God can heal… but He doesn't? This is the 2nd part of a powerful and deeply honest conversation with Pastor Chad and Sadie Roberts  as they continue talking about faith in the middle of life's hardest storms after  Chad lost his sight—a life-altering moment that challenged everything he believed about healing, and suffering. In Part 1, Chad and Sadie share their journey through loss, questions, and unwavering faith, offering hope to anyone who has ever asked: Why didn't God change this? How do I keep trusting Him when life feels unfair? If you are walking through a difficult season, this episode reminds you that God is still present, still working, and often does His deepest work in the middle of the storm. Chad Roberts is the founder and lead pastor of Preaching Christ Church in Kingsport, Tennessee, and author of Blind Faith: Seeing God Through Darkness. Sadie Roberts serves through Strong ACC (From Cradle to Career), and together they host the marriage podcast The Marriage Conversation. You can also hear Chad daily on Awakened to Grace, available on radio, podcast platforms, oneplace.com, and pray.com. Learn more at awakenedtograce.com.

What do you do when you believe God can heal… but He doesn't? In this powerful and deeply honest conversation, Jenny sits down with Pastor Chad and his wife Sadie Roberts to talk about faith in the middle of life's hardest storms.   In 2018, Chad lost his sight—an unexpected and life-altering moment that would challenge everything he believed about healing, and suffering. It had an impact on their whole world.  Together, Chad and Sadie share their journey through loss, questions, and unwavering faith—offering hope to anyone who has ever wondered: Why didn't God change this?  How do I keep trusting Him when life feels unfair? If you are walking through a difficult season, this episode will remind you that:
God is still present, still working, and often does His deepest work in the middle of the storm. Our hope is you walk away encouraged, strengthened, and reminded that even when life doesn't make sense—God is still faithful. Chad Roberts is the founder and lead pastor of Preaching Christ Church in Kingsport, Tennessee, and author of Blind Faith: Seeing God Through Darkness. Sadie Roberts serves through Strong ACC (From Cradle to Career), and together they host the marriage podcast The Marriage Conversation. You can also hear Chad daily on Awakened to Grace, available on radio, podcast platforms, oneplace.com, and pray.com. Learn more at awakenedtograce.com.

Harold L gives a powerful talk on step 12 at Appalachian Regional Roundup 2025 in Kingsport, TN

In which a moment occurs between times, hidden in the spaces alongside greater imaginings of certain plateaus, made possible by daemonic beings and introduced by a familiar, once Kingsport based, antiquarian… A modern Call of Cthulhu Scenario by Joseph Chance Cast: Josephine Arundel & Felicity Blake – Belinda Cornish Chris Caldwell & Jonathan Tatler – Dan Wheeler Max Davenant & Tam Philips – Danann McAleer Charlie Westenra & Luther Eliot Redmark – Dominic Allen Keeper of Arcane Lore ­– Joseph Chance   CW: This podcast contains mature themes, strong language and cosmic horror. As ever, human discretion is advised.   The Apocalypse Players is an actual play (or live play) TTRPG podcast focused on horror tabletop roleplaying games. Think Dimension 20 or Critical Role, but fewer dragons, more eldritch horrors, and more British actors taking their roleplaying very seriously (most of the time). We primarily play the Chaosium RPG Call of Cthulhu, but have also been known to dabble with other systems, most of which can be found on our Patreon: www.patreon.com/apocalypseplayers We now have a free Discord server where you can come and worship at the altar of the Apocalypse, play Call of Cthulhu online, and meet like-minded cultists who will be only too eager to welcome you into the fold. New sacrifices - oops - we mean players are always welcome. Join here: discord.com/invite/kRQ62t6SjH For more information and to get in touch, visit www.apocalypseplayers.com   The Apocalypse Players are: Dominic Allen @DomJAllen Joseph Chance @josephchancemj.bsky.social Danann McAleer @DanannMcAleer Dan Wheeler @DanWheelerUK     Music includes:   Waves from The Past - Anna Dager & Hannah Ekstrom https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/Kw21NkSu4j/   Celestial Spheres - Ave Air https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/5346c11d-81ac-458e-9d63-f53b8fa91321/   Who We Once Were - Gavin Luke https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/c9e485f8-2969-4b8e-9c75-829fe9ad9079/   Through The Alleyways - Jon Bjork https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/64978412-f992-3301-bdc8-8747a039ffd3/   Hiding in The Shadows - Ludvig Moulin https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/c4f88f81-2c2b-4d98-b64d-f9126470c734/   Tiny Scandals - Creative Cut - Heron Vale https://artlist.io/royalty-free-music/song/tiny-scandals-creative-cut-orchestra/138177   Up To No Good - Alt Version - 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First Timer https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/8b74f82a-e721-4f93-b358-d214e6c00086/   Do You Really Wanna Be In Love? - Frigga  https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/b94f0ef1-9a8b-311c-b358-537b560c433b/   Missing Memories - Christopher Moe Ditlevsen https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/M5e5wT9Ci7/   Tavore - Anders Schill Paulsen, Anna Dager & Hannah Ekstrom https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/3jAWMYFdtD/   Crucial Calculations - Gavin Luke https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/wJWNbpM3bh/   Sounded Blue Saga https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/Ua4aSty4ml/   Murmur Forest - Rand Aldo https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/7amZAibTX0/   Where the Flowers Grow - Dez Moran https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/EcUT8PAe8b/   The Adjunct Anders Schill Paulsen, Hanna Ekström, Anna Dager   Celestial Spheres - Ave Air https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/3ed2z62JCV/   Out of the Window - Farrell Wooten https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/uZpb17J0rN/   Redemption - Sunriver https://artlist.io/royalty-free-music/song/redemption/93323   Bitter Bitter - Dylan Thomas https://artlist.io/royalty-free-music/song/dylan-thomas-bitter-bitter/49435   Bound To Fall Apart - Jon Bjork https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/ecb4e639-62bc-3f2c-b48f-53c23b5b8cf0/   Savage Shadows - Semi https://artlist.io/royalty-free-music/song/savage-shadows/134832   Those Moments - Hampus Naeselius https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/HmZtb2i0sL/   3000 Years Old - Farrell Wooten https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/7a29bef0-58f0-303b-af94-575197610de9/   Enter The Realm of Shadows - Christopher Moe Ditlevsen  https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/003fff05-76b0-44f2-bd5e-2d2b98e2b062/   Ebbas Not Right - Peter Crosby https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/4052c08d-d4c6-4974-b888-6aeaa505c4af/   Vapors - Ethan Sloan https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/yg5J0DyMEz/   Tension Mansion - Kikoru https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/eZkXkCpIjF/   The Prophet - Alec Slayne https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/JK03rRZisV/   Shouldn't Have Met You https://artlist.io/royalty-free-music/song/shouldnt-have-met-you/73261   V1rgo - Ambre Jaune https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/0Pq5JDXcmj/   Hysteria - Anna Dager & Hannah Ekstrom https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/DOLsvJVimx/   The Closing - Hannah Ekstrom https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/yYkl9onNPg/   Incertitude - Hannah Ekstrom https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/YUW9T6jcJA/   Tviviel - Hannah Ekstrom  https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/xdbASDVzOS/   Title: "Impromptu Exorcism" Artist: Tim Kulig (timkulig.com) Licensed under Creative Commons By Attribution 4.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/   Grass on the Grave - Sage Oursler https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/rJe82RQka0/   Void - WHENISEEYOUISEEMYSELF https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/fGp8lQImZt/   Grief and Isolation - DEX 1200 https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/c1flrtmhZU/   Invention No. 1 in C Major https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/1daa8eab-3190-3851-ac38-c41bc5033d84/   Take Five - Ambre Jaune https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/J8E0Z4qTMZ/   A Gathering - Farrell Wooten https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/TCFbG808lJ/   Spheres - Elliptik https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/EMaiTc6RNW/   The Duke of Norfolk - Dylan Thomas https://artlist.io/royalty-free-music/song/dylan-thomas-bitter-bitter/49435   Twivel - Ekstrem and Dager https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/xdbASDVzOS/   Friends Make the Worst Enemies - Experia  https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/bf0f9833-2f40-3525-b13e-166942b8e020/   Cave Dwellers https://artlist.io/royalty-free-music/song/cave-dwellers/85396   The Lure - Christian Anderson  https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/7WZdqHNOQ7/   Mist Over Lapland https://artlist.io/royalty-free-music/song/mist-over-lapland/99505   Maybe Next Year - Spectales Wallet & Watch https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/IwdmifGfcl/   Seven Sins Later - Farrell Wooten  https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/HFSjWZQDWE/   Stop Snitching  https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/QCMBXV5202/   Jay Varton - Silent Castle https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/uKXncvlspI/   Follow the Falcon - David Celeste https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/Trl1W1XgLF/   Work Undone - Pearce Roswell https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/4831fd82-d8e0-30c4-9351-5a1719d1163e/   The Search - Hannah Ekstrom  https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/pKp55DWXME/   The Arctic - INSTRUMENTS - Jo Wandrini https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/QH3Sw8lU6S/   The Mire - Anders Schill Paulsen  https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/cDx39w2F3D/   Metaformation - Ethan Sloan https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/8vz9arpHEB/   Shadowdance - Saira Ridley https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/xKz8svrmcZ/   Into The Void - Ella Joy Meir https://artlist.io/royalty-free-music/song/into-the-void/127506   Bad Dreams - Mary Riddle https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/ed0ee666-a83d-3e3b-9eee-dd5d6ae5abd5/   Société Secrete - Duke Herrington https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/60be67f8-ed95-449f-b496-7959505d7577/   Over of This Town - Will Harrison https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/qpwpYDpGnv/   Excitement - Traditional https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/71e77fbc-eda1-3105-9c99-8f8319cf2532/   "SCP-x4x (Mind Leech)" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ https://incompetech.com/music/royalty-free/music.html   “The Liberty Bell” John Philip Sousa, 1893 - US Marine Band https://archive.org/details/InternetJukebox.JPS.48/01+Liberty+Bell+-+USMC+Performance.mp3   Restlessness Friedrich Burgmuller https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/68a0fdda-4805-3a03-954a-1bc12176a93f/   Work Undone - Pearce Roswell https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/4831fd82-d8e0-30c4-9351-5a1719d1163e/   Coma Visions - Martin Klem https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/17b0058f-00f6-3177-845e-2e449193e23c/   Etude No. 1 for Strings - Peter Sandberg https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/45e4a974-0361-3816-997e-6a7c7e77674c/   Etude No 3 For String Quartet - Peter Sandberg https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/XLlmbhGNLp/    Liminal - Beyza https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/5c5381d2-351d-4fb1-8c0a-8f942a4b44b7/    Didn't Know Love - Sully Bright https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/4f8c372d-1483-4561-ae8c-6f946f033ef5/   Summer in The Swamp - Roy Edwin Williams https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/a7cf44a8-79f8-4216-ac6d-c13381513008/   The Mission - 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Gloss https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/b9ff2eb3-38c0-371c-ba1c-42e9792e5dac/   Where Daylight Falls - Tellsonic https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/c6967dad-d857-493d-baaa-c0ea43780d1b/   Riding High on the Wind - Will Harrison https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/d51c7d7f-3123-4fb4-b66f-5b639d8e20e9/   Dust & Destiny - Jo Wandrini https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/805c9e1a-585b-4406-b693-fbd9f14fc176/   Shame - Carvings https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/18be45fd-d417-3134-8bd8-3d6d06b6b288/   Forever In Love With A Ghost - pär https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/18843d3f-d857-4ede-b499-b3c247dd3349/   Survival of the Bravest - Dream Cave https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/D6x4hf9Tnt/   Alluvion - Christoffer Moe Ditlevsen, Anna Dager, Hanna Ekström https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/18c07325-4e93-4e85-ace4-0555616489e4/   Afternoon Mood - Megan Wofford https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/a6119cb7-85d6-4fc4-8261-2d24b5f2498a/   Stars Align - El Flaco Collective https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/93d328f0-ab66-4121-aa89-d7d758251477/   Ready to March - Brightam Orchestra https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/a08e46d4-ad42-3422-9ed4-9aaa7838f2e9/   Tracker - Christopher Moe Ditlevsen  https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/3d59ec8e-9ad0-3446-87b4-b2f57773c457/   Fraught - Elin Piel https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/46b3f33c-bf47-448a-b631-1f3af86405e7/   Eye of The Beholder - Fabien Tell https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/b1ff0535-741c-3421-a9e7-b1f2c4620cf7/   Vilja - Hanna Ekström, Anna Dager https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/ccfa0d3c-40fd-4415-a678-3432e576266c/   Dunes of Despair - Deskant https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/7a54e4be-ada6-31b4-b50b-cdf3dfab4750/   Mysterious Lights - Edward Karl Hanson https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/20f323c2-2ceb-3e86-8016-25f17f75e26e/   Hunting Nightmare - Cobby Costa https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/97a06cf6-019f-457b-921d-ace67e6ff72e/   Exit - Beyza https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/4ddd667b-7613-4c2d-8c21-b18fbaa598fd/   Martyr - Nevin (Instrumental) https://www.epidemicsound.com/music/tracks/a2fef5cb-e0e9-49ab-8b66-08f8336f9898/   The Lure - Christian Anderson https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/7WZdqHNOQ7/   Heartbreaking - Kevin MacLeod https://incompetech.com/music/royalty-free/music.html "Heartbreaking" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/   The Story Begins - Hampus Naesellius https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/6uhLxbXakg/   Once we Had It All - Medite  https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/5TyLqrCsS2/   Alluvion - Christofer Moe Ditlevsen, Hanna Ekström, Anna Dager https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/LgPHtMwClP/   From Zapsplat:   Biiansu - No Sleep For Busy Minds https://www.zapsplat.com/music/no-sleep-for-busy-minds-sombre-melancholic-piece-piano-and-small-guitar-elements/

George Halford sits down with Bryant Presley, a former funeral home owner whose life has been shaped by faith, family, and decades of service. Born on Detroit's east side before moving to Tennessee in 1971, Presley says he was “bit with the funeral bug” early on after working in a funeral home during school. He went on to manage several funeral homes across Kingsport and even purchased the old Cookeville Funeral Home so his son Seth could return home and continue the work. Presley, a preacher for more than forty years, also reflects on his relationship with God and how heart trouble eventually led him to step away, bringing him to Hooper Huddleston & Horner. Listen To The Local Matters Podcast Today! News Talk 94.1

This week, Steve and Rod tell the story of Granville “Stick” McGhee and Walter “Brownie” McGhee, two brothers from East Tennessee whose music helped shape American blues and early rock 'n' roll. Born in Knoxville, the McGhee brothers took the music they heard growing up and used it to launch themselves onto the national stage.Be sure to subscribe to the Stories podcast wherever you get your favorite podcasts. Consider becoming a supporter of the podcast and get extra content along with an ad-free feed of our stories!Thanks for listening!

ASTRID ROTENBERRY isn't "up-and-coming." She's already arrived — and Hollywood is finally catching up. Born and raised in Kingsport, Tennessee, now based in New York City, Rotenberry is stacking serious credits with precision. Her recurring role in Netflix's His & Hers proves she's not just another name in the cast — she's part of the reason people are watching. If you haven't heard of her yet, that's on you. She's also appeared in: Law & Order: SVU American Sports Story The Better Sister The Four Seasons And now Netflix's thriller His & Hers

Bob B goes deep with a talk titled “Transformation” at Appalachian Regional Roundup 2025 in Kingsport, TN

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Send us a textSevered SonsPenguin In DistressEpisode 102While searching through a mystical library in Ythryn, the Sons encounter an arcanaloth named Scrivenscry and his assistant, an awakened penguin named Kingsport.Visit our Linktree!Thanks to Wizards of the Coast, Roll20, DnD Beyond, Monument Studios, and thanks to Syrinscape! Theme Music by Ron MurphyBecause Epic Games Need Epic Sound!Episode CreditsRon Murphy – DM, @ron88keysRBDMThe Severed Sons are:Spitz - Claire Clauson, @themmeslothDonaar – Paul Gary, @thepaulgaryThe Tortle – Josh Helgeson, @joshinaround88Farren – Zach Burrell, @zachburrell10This has been a Severed Studios production. Follow us on Twitter and Bluesky at @SeveredStudios!Join our Discord! Join our Patreon!Now you can support us through Buzzsprout as well!Give us a review on Apple Podcasts, Podchaser, Spotify,  GoodPods or on our Twitter page and we'll read it on the air.  Stay frosty! Support the show

SummaryIn this engaging podcast episode, host Colin Johnson speaks with Lauren Glass Mullins about her journey from Kingsport to Atlanta, her entrepreneurial ventures, and the creation of Personality Pool, a platform designed to enhance hiring processes through personality assessments. They discuss the importance of community, faith, and the impact of AI in business, as well as the significance of giving non-traditional hires a chance. Lauren shares her insights on personal growth, the role of personality in hiring, and her aspirations for the future.TakeawaysCommunity found in church is beautiful and essential.Inspiration can come from unexpected places, like movies.Starting a nonprofit can lead to entrepreneurial ventures.Personality Pool helps companies screen candidates by personality.AI can enhance hiring processes but should not replace human intuition.Retention rates improve significantly with the right hiring tools.It's important to give non-traditional hires a chance.Personal experiences shape our understanding of others.Building a business requires collaboration and support.Mentorship is vital for aspiring entrepreneurs.Check out Personality Pool: https://personalitypool.com/Buy your next home, or list your current home with us!https://www.thecolinandcarlygroup.com/Be a guest on the Johnson City Living Podcast: https://www.johnsoncityliving.com/guests?fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAaf_qLsH2l73s8fTV40Oebx8kSAGlIFS_y50ij7CRneeNX3I6NzzfQMUKP-7hw_aem_xHCpTZ5r_cOfc22X1DNvmw

In this episode of Crime Bit with Danelle Hallan, we examine the disappearance of 20-year-old Layla Santanello, who walked barefoot out of a Kingsport, Tennessee motel in the early morning hours of June 27, 2023 and vanished without a trace. As investigators track her last confirmed movements and rumors swirl around her inner circle, Layla's mother refuses to let the case fade, using social media to keep her daughter's face everywhere it needs to be. We break down the timeline, the key sightings, and what still doesn't add up. 

On this heartfelt episode of The Common Sense MD, Dr. Tom Rogers sits down with Jake Weaver, Area Director of Operations at The Blake—an award-winning assisted living community in Kingsport, Tennessee. Having known Jake since childhood, Dr. Rogers brings a personal touch as they explore what it really means to age well and thrive in assisted living.Together, they dive into the challenges families face when deciding when and how to transition a loved one into assisted care, especially post-COVID. Jake shares touching stories and expert insights about overcoming isolation, regaining purpose, and the importance of community for seniors' mental and physical health. You'll hear how The Blake goes beyond traditional care, offering resort-style living, vibrant activities, and specialized memory care for those with Alzheimer's and dementia.From practical tips on staying active and connected, to finding fulfillment and meaning later in life, this episode is packed with wisdom for anyone navigating aging—either for themselves or their loved ones. Whether you're considering assisted living, caring for aging parents, or you just want to hear an uplifting conversation about community and purpose, this episode will leave you informed and inspired.Tune in for stories, expert advice, and a celebration of thriving at every age!

In this episode, the focus is on clergy abuse—a topic made even more pressing by recent headlines. The featured guest, Sandy Phillips Kirkham, shares her harrowing ordeal of being abused by a charismatic youth pastor starting at the age of 16. Sandy discusses the grooming process, the five years of abuse, and how she was ultimately expelled from her church while her abuser was merely relocated. She delves into the long-lasting impact of the abuse on her life and her spiritual journey, how she concealed her trauma for 27 years, and how she ultimately confronted her abuser. Sandy also provides valuable insights and actionable advice for preventing abuse and supporting victims within church communities. Her story is also detailed in her book, ‘Let Me Prey on You,' which offers a detailed account of her journey from victim to advocate. 00:00 Introduction and Sponsor Message 00:47 Welcome to the Podcast 01:32 Introducing Today's Topic: Clergy Abuse 02:17 Sandy Phillips Kirkham's Early Life and Church Involvement 06:22 Meeting the Abuser: The Charismatic Youth Pastor 08:43 Red Flags and Grooming Tactics 13:51 The First Inappropriate Act 16:37 The Abuse Escalates 21:06 The Aftermath and Church's Response 28:15 Life After Abuse: Marriage and Keeping Secrets 32:09 Protecting Future Generations 35:17 The Importance of Sex Education in the Church 36:32 Techniques for Discussing Sex with Children 37:22 Personal Experiences with Sex Education 38:20 Triggering Memories and Emotional Breakdown 40:13 The Journey of Healing Begins 41:31 Understanding Clergy Abuse and Self-Forgiveness 43:52 Confronting the Abuser 47:07 Challenges in Seeking Justice 54:47 Preventing Abuse in the Church 01:00:31 Supporting Victims of Clergy Abuse 01:05:07 Final Thoughts and Resources Sandy Kirkham and her husband Bill enjoy life with their two grown children, two beautiful granddaughters, and two fairly well-behaved dogs. Sandy continues to use her voice to help victims of clergy abuse. She currently serves on the board of Council Against Child Abuse. Sandy has spoken before the Ohio Senate, a Maryland court, and appeared on a local television show in Boston. Her story, “Stolen Innocence,” was told in a documentary produced by The Hope of Survivors. Sandy works with survivors conducting victim support conferences. She has participated in The Voice of the Faithful (VOTF) panels moderated by SNAP (Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests), sharing her perspective from the non-Catholic point of view. Sandy has been a presenter/speaker at major events on clergy abuse including the Hope & Healing Conference. 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We're going to be talking about clergy abuse today. Religious leader, abuse. Pastor, youth leader. You've seen this in the news recently with all these preachers being arrested or charged with sexual misconduct or rape or [00:02:00] pedophilia. I'm sure you've seen the news. Well, today we're going to hear a story about a woman who's been victimized in that way and she's fighting back. So let me read her bio for you. A church is where an insecure 16-year-old girl should feel welcome, happy, and most importantly, safe tragically. For some, the church can become a place of great harm. Sandy Phillips Kirkham details her account of how charismatic youth minister preyed upon her, a betrayal which left her broken with a shattered faith and the ultimate shame of being blamed enforced from the church she loved. Despite a successful and happy life, is a wife, mother, and friend. Sandy successfully concealed her abuse for [00:03:00] 27 years until a trigger forced her to face the truth. Sandy's story will take you on her journey of healing. Her strength and courage will inspire you. Let me pray upon you her book details. Sandy's journey from innocent 16-year-old, a victim to a survivor, and advocate. We please welcome Sandy Phillips. Kirk, welcome Sandy to the show. Thanks so much for coming on. Well, thank you for having me. I'm glad to be here. Wow. So I've been listening to you on the Preacher Boys podcast and thought you had a really great story, and so I wanted to come and bring you on so my listeners can hear your story as well. Mm-hmm. So tell us a little bit about your home and your church environment growing up. Let's [00:04:00] start from the beginning here. Okay. I'm the oldest of five. My parents were divorced when I was about seven, which that was really the impact of my life, of just how it altered everything about that time in my life. Then my mother remarried and we moved in with my stepfather shortly after my father remarried, and so I was dealing with these blended families and it was just very confusing for me at the time, my parents and stepfather did not attend church. So I, I wasn't a part of a church until I was about eight, and that's when my best friend who lived up the street invited me to go with their family, and I went with them and I went every Sunday after that, I absolutely fell in love with church. It was a place that I felt safe. I think it provided for me a place away from home that I felt comfortable and I got attention there. I was very active even as a small child. I went to vacation Bible school, church camp, love Sunday School. I sang in a junior choir. Really, it was a just a great place for me to [00:05:00] be. When I was 13, I was baptized and then my faith really deepened and my involvement in the church became even more so, started teaching Sunday school and teaching vacation Bible school. I started serving on committees with adults and doing more of the activities that would, , just be more in depth than just typical youth group activities. So, it's just no exaggeration to say that if the doors of the church were open, I was there and I loved it. I loved serving God. I felt that was the place for me, and everything about it was brought me joy and peace in the church. Wow. You really, were very sincere in your faith. It was not a fake one. I hear a lot of stories of. Being brought up in the church and being made to go to church and, you just go through the motions kind of thing. But it sounds like it was the opposite for you. It was that you really believed this with all your heart. Was that a fundamental Baptist church you were going [00:06:00] to or what? It was a church, Christ Christian Church, which is similar to the Baptist. It's an independent church. Yeah, that's the church. That was so something happened while you were serving the Lord and loving God. You met your abuser? Yes. Shortly after I turned 16, our church hired a new youth pastor, and from the moment he arrived, he was totally different than anyone we'd ever seen before. He was very charismatic, very dynamic. His sermons were really like nothing we'd ever heard before, and people were just drawn to him. He had a personality that people found themselves wanting to be around him. They wanted to please him. So he was very good at asking people to do things and they didn't hesitate. It, it was just a different kind of atmosphere. When he came to the church, the youth group exploded in numbers. We went from like 25 to almost 200 in a very short time. Even the [00:07:00] adult church was growing because people just came to hear him preach because he was so good at what he did. He was 30, married with two children, but he really acted more like our age group. He dressed like we did. He. Went to our football games at school, he knew our music. So he just, he really, he was tuned into us and in return we found ourselves, all of us being willing to please him and wanna do anything we could to make the youth group and the church better. So when people think of a profile of a child abuser, they usually think, oh, some dirty old man, that his roaming fingers or what have you, but this youth pastor sounded like, okay, he was really good looking and hip and really loved the young people. Mm-hmm. Is that typical of. Well, it's, it's typical in the sense that it's not the, dirty old man hiding in the bushes. Most abusers [00:08:00] are people we know. They're people that we like. They're usually people that, connect with people very well, and that's what makes them so dangerous because they're not obvious with what they do, and they're very good at that. They pretend to be one of us. They pretend to care, but in reality, their goal is to find a way to take advantage of the most vulnerable in, in the group. And so, predators are usually drawn to places where they will find vulnerable people. The gymnastics team is an example of that. The Boy Scouts, anywhere where you can, and certainly the church because we are welcoming into people who are in need. Oftentimes. Then there are many people in the church who are vulnerable to these types of men, and sometimes women. Were there any red flags? That you should have seen or noticed when you were around this youth pastor? Well, he came with so many different ideas and different ways of doing things. And one of the things that he was doing now, this was in the [00:09:00] seventies, so cultures were changing and it was free love and kind of thing. But he came into our church and he expected everyone to hug each other. So we were always hugging each other. And he also expected us to say how much we loved each other and that we love you and not just that I love you in Christ. He would simply walk up, give you a hug and say, I love you. Now you know, that may seem innocent, but that's a little odd for that pastor to be saying those kinds of things. And it also blurs the lines because when you say to someone, I love you, that can be confusing to. Young teenagers and even to vulnerable adults. So, but he did that with everybody. It wasn't like he picked someone else special, but, so the hugging in the contact was kind of a red flag in the beginning. But for me personally, I babysat for his family. His wife worked evenings. Mm-hmm. So one night after he came home, he asked me to go to his basement and listen to a song by Neil Diamond. [00:10:00] Well, it felt a little weird 'cause I'd never. I've been around a pastor that wanted to talk to me about anything but church in the Bible. But I went to the basement. Yeah. I mean a Neil Diamond song. So I went to the basement. I know, but that's a trigger factor for me sometimes. So anyway, I went to the basement and he put this record on and I sat down on the couch and instead of sitting in a chair or another place, he came on the couch and sat very close to me. And I remember feeling uncomfortable, but I didn't say anything. 'cause I thought, well, he is just sitting next to me. It's no big deal. But that's a red flag that I felt because it felt uncomfortable to me. And then the other times that I would babysit for him. His wife wouldn't come home till late in the evening, so he would come home around seven or eight and after the kids were in bed, instead of taking me home, he wanted me to sit and talk with him all evening. So we'd talk about the Bible or we'd talk about church, and sometimes he'd ask me what I thought of his [00:11:00] sermon, which at age 16, I'm flattered that this man has any idea that I would have some opinion about this great sermon that he just gave. So I didn't see anything wrong with that because he's my pastor. But had that occurred with my 30-year-old neighbor down the street, every time I went to babysit, I know I would've come home to my mother and said, okay, this is weird. Mm-hmm. Every time I babysit, this man wants to sit and talk to me all evening. I mean, what interest would I have as a teenager wanting to talk to this 30-year-old married man? But because my pastor was who he was and he tapped into our common connection of the church and God, and again, many times he would give me books to read 'cause he wanted me to get better in my deep, in my spirituality. So I didn't see anything wrong with it because of who he was. And so I just accepted that behavior, which is another tool and technique. They look for ways to get into you. Mm-hmm. [00:12:00] That don't seem obvious. And that was, so those were two red flags for me. Now as far as the congregation goes, I was in his office a lot by myself, but so were other kids, because he would actually call us into his office and say, I want you to come in and tell me what's going on in your life. Talk to me about your problems. Instead of us going to him, he would encourage us to come into his office. So while that probably wasn't a good thing, no one saw it as a bad thing. It seemed normal, but he called me into his office a lot more than the other kids. And later on there were people who did say to me, there were times when I wondered why he said something to you like that, or I noticed something one time. And so I think people notice some things, but no one thought enough of it to say, okay, there's something going on that doesn't seem right. So those were the red flags that I think in the beginning were very subtle. But they were hard to see, [00:13:00] and this is really important to distinguish these things because I was groomed by a guidance counselor in seventh grade. Mm-hmm. But he was one of those dirty old men that, he was doing creepy stuff. Yeah. But I never would have seen myself. A pastor and he's talking about spiritual things and he's talking about God and mm-hmm. He's not talking about sex. He's not watching, you're not watching dirty movies together. No, he's not, buying you sexy lingerie. It's, Hey, he's doing spiritual things. Mm-hmm. It's a setup. It's that grooming process you're talking about. It's pulling someone in to gain their trust, in a very di diabolical way, because he's using the church to do that. That's really scary. That scares mm-hmm. Scares me to death. What were the first times that he did something really inappropriate that you were just like, whoa? Well, the very [00:14:00] first time, was after a youth group meeting that was held in my home. I was the song leader. He put me in a leadership position, and it was very important to him that the evening always go well and that we were to make people feel welcome. And so at the end of the evening, I was nervous because I wanted to make sure that he thought everything went well. And he came up to me in my hallway and began telling me how great the evening was and how proud he was of me. And I was on Cloud nine. I was flattered that he felt that way. I felt good that the evening went so well. And then he just slowly bent down and he kissed me. And it wasn't, it was a kiss, but it seemed somewhat innocent to some extent. And I, I remember thinking, I think he just kissed me. Then my next thought was, well, he's my pastor and I don't think he would be doing anything he shouldn't be doing. And it was just a quick kiss. And he's always hugging people. And so maybe this is just his way of showing his appreciation for the evening. It was really [00:15:00] the only way in my 16-year-old mind that I could justify it because I couldn't think about this man doing anything he shouldn't be doing. And this was a person that everyone loved and thought so highly of, so how could I think he was doing something he shouldn't be doing? So I just let it go. I didn't think anything more about it. I mean, did you have any sex ed or anything? Did you know the birds and bees? Nine. Well, yeah, I'm 16. I did. Yeah, I did. But I wasn't, I hadn't dated much. I wasn't allowed to date till I was 16, so I hadn't had any dating experience. I had one kiss before this with a boy at camp. So I wasn't. Worldly or knowledgeable about all those things. But, and again, it was such a quick innocent type kiss. He didn't grab me, he didn't push me against the wall. I just, and again, I think for me it was okay if he's, if this is more than just a kiss, then what do I do with it? So therefore I'm just gonna say it's [00:16:00] nothing because I don't know what else to do. Um, wow. I let it go. I let it go. But as I babysat for him, he, sometimes when I would leave, he would kiss me and sometimes he wouldn't. So, I didn't see it as a con, kind of a continual thing that he was always wanting to kiss me. He always hugged me. But the kissing became more intense as it went along. So it, it would be another year, before he would have sex with me. And so that grooming process and kind of pushing the boundaries each time he was with me, finally ended with him having sex with me. Oh, wow. Now, some of us listening are like an adult having sex with a child or 16-year-old. Can you unpack that a little bit more, the process of how he got to that point? I mean, that the first time you had intercourse, I mean, did he, you know, go to a hotel with you and you had a candlelight dinner, or was it in the backseat of the car?[00:17:00] Was it an accident? It wasn't an accident. He was very deliberate and I had every intentions of having sex with me that night. I babysat, I was babysitting, I put the kids to bed, I walked down the steps. I assumed that we would go into the living room. Or the family room, sit on the couch and talk about the things we always talked about. But instead, he stopped me at the bottom of the stairs and he took me into the living room, and immediately put me on the floor and began undressing me. Um, and wow, I froze. I, I literally froze and I kept thinking to myself, he's going to stop. He's going to stop. And that the entire time he's whispering into my ear how much he loves me, that he would never hurt me, and that he can, I can trust him. And then he kept asking me, do you love me? Do you love me? And I, of course, I'm answering yes, because well, yes I do, because that's what I've told him for the past year. I, I, I just, I was so confused and what my real reaction was, I froze. Mm-hmm. Um, he, he sort of pushed my head under the [00:18:00] stereo. And so when he is starting to get farther than I thought he would ever go. I blocked, I just blocked it out and I started reading the serial numbers underneath the stereo. Oh my goodness. Just to be thinking of anything else. Um, at one point he then just picked me up and took me upstairs. He literally put me on the bed, penetrated me, and that was it. And I was horrified. I was absolutely horrified. I, I wanted to cry. I didn't know what to say. I didn't know what to do. Um, he left the room, told me to get dressed, and he would take me home. And I remember sitting on the bed and I put the bedspread around me because I was so embarrassed that I didn't have my clothes on. Mm-hmm. Oh, wow. Um, and then I just remember thinking I just had sex. I'm no longer a virgin. I just had sex with this man and. He took me home. Now, in the [00:19:00] book, of course, I go into a little bit more detail, but Right, he took me home and just before I got outta the car, he said to me, now, you know, this is something between the two of us, you can't tell anyone. And of course I'm thinking, who would I tell? I, I don't want anybody to know. I just did this. So, that was the first time. And then I think I, at that point I kept thinking, you know, I've had sex with him. So now I'm committed to him again. I'm at this point, I'm 17 years old. I'm still like, what do I do with this? I don't, I don't know what to do with this. Um, and he was convincing me that he loved me. He was convincing me that he needed me in his ministry and that God, this was God's will in our lives. He threw that at me. Eventually he would say to me that we were married in God's eyes. I mean, twisting the scripture and using God as a reason that we should be together. And so. I started to accept that. There were a couple times I went to him and told him that I couldn't do this anymore. I felt [00:20:00] guilty. He would respond in one of two ways. One, he would say to me how much he needed me, how much he loved me, and that he couldn't live without me. So that was the guilt part of it. Or he would respond and by saying to me, you know, you're no longer a virgin. No one else is gonna want you. I'm the only one that knows how to love you, and you are committed to me, and this is gonna be the way it is. And I saw no way out. I didn't see a way out. And so the relationship continued for five years. Wow. Five years. It went on for five years. That is a long time. And it, during that time, he became more aggressive physically. Uh, he hit me. He became sexually more deviant. It just progressed. It got worse and worse. And to a point that I finally, I was, my self-esteem was so low. I hated myself for what I'd been doing. So I finally just accepted that this was my life. I knew [00:21:00] I'd never get married. I knew I'd never have children, and this wouldn't be over until he said it was over. This went on for five years and nobody in the church noticed it. Your parents didn't notice it. You know, people say, well, where were your parents? Well, first of all, my parents were thrilled. I was in church. I mean, this was a time in the seventies when drugs were. Prevalent girls were, having free sex. So for them, what safer place could there be than to be in church? So, and they saw his intention toward me and his involvement with me as a good thing. I mean, he would take me on hospital visits with him. I mean, they saw this as being positive. And they knew how much I loved being there and that it was a place that I liked to go. So they didn't see it. And many in the church didn't see it began because who suspects the pastor of such behavior. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And especially in the seventies when this wasn't an open topic like it is now, you wouldn't have dared thought anything like that. And so [00:22:00] it's not uncommon for people in the church, to miss the signs and to ignore what they really do see, because they just can't believe that it would be something that would be happening in their church because then they'd have to do something about it. Yes, exactly. When did it all come crumbling down? It does crumble. Eventually it does. Two elders became suspicious and followed him one night and found us together in a hotel room. And then from then on, the next month and a half was an absolute nightmare for me. Hmm. It was initially hoped that they could keep what he had done, quiet and keep it from the congregation. Now, I have to say one thing before I forget. This wasn't his first incident of sexual misconduct. Oh. Prior to and just after he was awri, he arrived at our church. A young woman from his first church came forward and accused him of sexual misconduct. When he was [00:23:00] confronted by my elders, he didn't deny it. He said it was true. He asked for forgiveness, that it would never happen again. It was a mistake. So within six months. That's when he was kissing me in my hallway. So this, so these elders were aware that this was the second time that there had been an incident with this man of sexual abuse and misconduct. But in spite of that, they tried to keep it quiet in hopes of moving him to another church. And so I was told during that time where I was to sit, how I was to respond to questions. I wasn't to talk to anyone. I wasn't to tell anyone about what had happened, including my parents. And this was all in an effort to keep it quiet. Well, that effort failed. And so it was determined that he should address the congregation. He did it in a very vague way, just simply said that he'd sinned. He'd sinned against God, and he'd sinned against his wife. And that was his confession. That was it. Two days later, he had me meet [00:24:00] him in a hotel room after that confession in front of the congregation. Now. He was moved to the next church. He was given a going away party. There was actually a vote to maybe keep him, but the vote failed and they decided to move him to the next church. About, two weeks, three weeks later, I was called in by the elders, and this is probably the hardest part of my story for me. Mm-hmm. I was called in by the elders and I was told that because of my behavior I was to leave the church. I was devastated. I loved that church. It was the only church I knew, and here I was being told by these two elders that I wasn't fit to worship there any longer. Mm-hmm. He could be forgiven and given a second, third chance. I couldn't be, I was told that to leave the church. I wasn't given any counseling. I wasn't helped in any way. I was simply told to leave and I did. I left. [00:25:00] And that I told people many times, as horrific as the abuse was, having been told to leave, that church had a greater impact on me spiritually than the actual abuse did. I don't think I ever recovered from that. It still haunts me to this day to some extent. That response of the church really devastated me. So that was the crumbling, as you called it? It came crashing down and I would, I left the church. So did that change your perception of God? What was your relationship with God this time? Yes. You were kicked outta the church, but. Well, I felt a disconnect from God. I never blamed God. I never felt like God caused this to happen. I, in fact, I carry the blame and the shame. I felt guilty for what I had done. And so I never blamed God, but because of the relationship being tied in with God and the [00:26:00] prayers that this man would give, and then, you know, he'd give these wonderful sermons about marriage and sanctity of marriage on a Sunday morning after having sex with me the night before. I had difficulty separating all of that, and there were so many trigger factors associated with the church and prayer that God really did. It was hard for me to have any kind of relationship with God. I did. I didn't become an atheist like a lot of victims do, and who become angry at God. I simply just. I just put him on the back burner. I knew he existed, but I didn't have a connection with him any longer. So for 27 years, I, I never prayed. I never opened my Bible. I went to church because when I met my husband, he was a Methodist. And I thought, well, I'll go to the Methodist Church. It's a different denomination. Mm-hmm. I'll just go on. It should be fine. It didn't work that way. I had anxiety attacks in church. I, his [00:27:00] reminders of him were constant, but I forced myself to go. I made sure that I went because I knew when we had children, I wanted them to have that church experience. But every time I walked past the minister's office, I got a knot in my stomach. Oh yeah. It had nothing to do with that minister. But you understand that. I mean, it, but I did that for 27 years. It became my norm. I just knew that when I walked past that office, I was gonna get a knock my stomach, certain hymns. I can tell you what his favorite hymn was, and every time that was played, that's who I thought of. I couldn't pray. It was so, I did have a deep, deep disconnect for 27 years, and I have to tell you, I missed it. I actually mourn that loss of my spiritual life, but I didn't know how to get it back. Because I'm keeping this secret. I'm still carrying guilt and shame. I couldn't forgive myself. I didn't feel worthy to be in church. So with all of that mixed in, I just put myself on autopilot and said, [00:28:00] well, this is the way my life will be and I'll just have to accept it. It just sounds so unfair. Somebody that loves the Lord so much and served in the church and so innocent and being kicked out. Oh, but it sounded like maybe meeting your husband would've been a positive thing for you. How did you guys meet? I actually worked at his office, so I met him there. We dated for about two years, and I just found him to be a kind, loving soul. He was very unassuming. He wasn't arrogant. He didn't, he wasn't a boastful type of person. He didn't like taking credit for things, even though he deserved it sometimes. He was just a good hearted person, and I just, I fell in love with him immediately. I really did. I thought this was a great, great guy. I mean, I will tell you, I have said many times because before I met him, I was on a destructive path. I did not have any self-esteem. [00:29:00] I saw myself just simply as some sex object that, I was only good for that. And so when I met him, he saved my life because he loved me for who I was and showed me that I was worthy. So I've often said to him, you saved my life, and he will respond back with you made mine, and you can't get any better than that. So meeting him was a turning point for me, but I kept a secret from him for 27 years, and I lived in fear that he'd always find out that I'd had this affair with a married man. And I know in my heart that it wouldn't have made a difference to him. But people who've been abused never forget the words, don't ever tell. And I never forgot those words. And I never forgot what the consequences could be if I were to tell someone. Because when my elders found out, they blamed me. And I, I couldn't bear the thought that if I were to tell him. [00:30:00] Somehow he would find fault with me, or I wondered, would he wonder why I didn't feel confident enough to tell him? Would he feel betrayed that I kept a secret? Would he see me differently sexually? All those fears that I had while unfounded were still present in my mind. And so I never could tell him. And I had to do a lot of play acting and pretending, through our married life in the sense that the times I was having trigger factors, I had to hide them. And I know he would've been supportive, but I couldn't see that. Because while trauma affects you at the time of the abuse, it's lifelong. It doesn't leave you. And so I lived with that for 27 years. So did you have. Intimacy issues when you were together? Was that what you're talking about? The triggering? No, I, know a lot of victims do, and that's understandable. I really didn't, because he was so different from my abuser [00:31:00] and I recognized that my abuser was emotionally violent mm-hmm. And physically, he just wasn't loving in any sense of the word. I was simply used for sex. Mm-hmm. And I didn't have that with my husband. And so I could separate that a little bit. But I think the guilt of hiding the secret had an impact on our marriage as far as my able to be intimate with him in an emotional way. I'm really glad to hear that. I, you are not the first person that I've heard that. The victim has hidden a secret from her husband. I passed her and a pastor's wife and her husband did not know. Mm-hmm. Children didn't know, and it was a family member that was the abuser. And I kept telling her, you've got to tell him. Mm-hmm. You know why? It's because, and I was thinking this when I was listening to your, the other shows that you were on. I'm thinking about your children and your grandchildren. If I was abused, [00:32:00] I would be like. How do I keep my children and grandchildren from going through what I just went through, you know? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Well, that's an interesting thing because most people would assume that my daughter, I would've been all over it and worried sick every time she left the house. Yeah. But I actually had the opposite, reaction because keep in mind, I didn't see myself as an abuse victim. I saw myself as someone who participated, who willingly went into this relationship and stayed in it willingly, which is not the case when you're abused. There's the control, the manipulation, all of those things that play into keeping a victim in a relationship and they see no way out. So for me, I just assumed I got one bad apple in the whole barrel, that this didn't happen to other people and that I had an affair. But my daughter, who I knew, she would never have an affair with a married man, I just knew that. So I. Sent her on [00:33:00] retreats. I sent her to church camp without fear because again, I'm thinking, okay, this just doesn't happen to other people and this is not something I need to be concerned about with her. However, with my granddaughters, it's totally different because now I understand what really occurred and the damage that can occur when you've been abused. And so with my granddaughters, her mom and dad have talked to them, about good touch, bad touch. And I too have talked about to her, but I've been a little bit more probably detailed about it. Mm-hmm. And as she gets older, these men, the techniques change as you get older and they, after they go after teenage girls, so mm-hmm. Hopefully I'll be able to help her understand, what happens when someone's grooming. I want her to understand her personal space, that if you're not comfortable when someone hugs you, it's okay. That's right. Say I, I don't want you to touch me that way. Mm-hmm. Or say if they don't feel comfortable and we put a lot on kids to do that. 'cause here [00:34:00] we're asking a child to say to an adult, no. Mm-hmm. So it's okay to go to your mother or your mom and say, can you tell so and so Uncle Jimmy or whoever it is, I don't wanna be hugged. So we need to make sure our kids understand that their personal space is their space. And if they don't want someone in that space, it's okay to say no. I also think it's important to tell kids that good people can do bad things. Yeah. Because, as we talked about earlier, our abusers are not strangers. They're not mean people. Mm-hmm. They're usually good people. They're usually people who've given us gifts. They're people who help us. They're people who tell us how wonderful we are. So it's hard for children, even adults, to see this individual who. Who on one side is a good individual who does a lot in the church, who's done all these wonderful things. And so we, we have to tell these kids, just because they're a good person doesn't mean they can't do bad things. And so that's kind of the message I hope to get to my granddaughters that I didn't give to my [00:35:00] daughter. And fortunately she didn't have any issues with church or any, anybody abusing her. But I certainly did not, guide her in the right way in that sense because I just, like I said, I just assumed that I was the only one that this would ever have happened to. Well, I think, I hear a lot in the church that they don't teach sex ed because they don't want the kids to go out and have sex. Mm-hmm. And so a lot of these kids are like ignorant as to, what is healthy and what is not proper, yeah. We need to teach 'em that our bodies or are going to respond. They were built that way. God intended us to have feelings. You know, when we are around the opposite sex, that's normal. Mm-hmm. So we need to make sure kids understand. But there are barriers and there are boundaries that need to be taken. But you're absolutely right when we don't talk at it, then we figure it out on their own. And we could, we can all imagine when you're leaving teenagers to [00:36:00] their own devices to figure out things. That's probably not gonna lead in a good spot. No, we have the internet now, which when we, right. When you and I were younger, we didn't have the internet. We didn't have cell phones. No. If you wanted a Playboy magazine, you had to go to that kind of a neighborhood to get something. Yes. You know? Yes. It was a lot more difficult. Yes, absolutely. But too many parents are embarrassed to talk to their children about sex and, you know, everybody listening needs to listen. You need to find a way to talk to them about these things. And one of the techniques that I use with my daughter, just in talking about sex in general, kids don't want to hear their mom and dad talk to 'em about this. So what I did would say, I read a magazine article about this girl who did such and such so that I put it off on something else that's, a non-entity of a person. And I'll say, or Have you ever heard of this? And of course I know she's got a little embarrassed, but I, it opened the dialogue without me coming [00:37:00] out and saying, have you heard of oral sex? Instead, I would talk to her and say, I heard this about this. This is what kids are doing, blah, blah, blah. So you kind of have to find techniques and ways to sneak around it sometimes, but you absolutely need to talk to, because they know it's out there and they're going to experiment. That's just part of being a teenager. Yeah, my parents chickened out. They just gave me a book to read. Same, probably the same book. I got, I forget what it was called. Where did I come from? Or something. It was a cartoon book. Mm-hmm. And I'm grateful for that. And, they just, after I finished the book, do you have any questions? Yeah, yeah. I had a lot of, older people that were friends and I would actually go to my older. Senior citizen friends and ask them questions rather than ask my parents. Right? Yeah, yeah. It's more comfortable that way for sure. Like I said, it's not the topic that we like to talk to with our kids and our kids don't wanna hear it, but being uncomfortable is not an excuse not to do that. And in school you get [00:38:00] the basics of the mechanics of it, but then that ends, that's all you get there as well. And that's not as helpful either. Yeah. The sixth grade menstrual cycle, health class. Yeah, exactly. That's it. They separate the girls and the boys. Yeah. We were all really embarrassed and Yes, yes. Yeah, exactly. Great information. So let's, circle around back to, okay, you've been hiding this secret forever. Mm-hmm. And nobody knows about your past. And then one day you got triggered. So what happened that day? Well, that's the first chapter of my book, and that is one day I was driving to a golf tournament in Tennessee. We live in Cincinnati. I was driving, my daughter was in college. She was playing in a golf tournament. I was driving down there and I was about halfway when I saw an exit sign for the town of Kingsport, Tennessee. And that is the. Town to which my [00:39:00] abuser was sent after he left our church, and it just sent me over the edge. Mm-hmm. All of a sudden I'm thinking, I'm in the town where he lives. Am I close to his house? Am I close to the church where he's now a minister? I mean, even though it'd been 27 years, I thought he was probably still there. I didn't know, but that's what my mind was telling me. I, all of a sudden I felt his presence in the car. I, I could smell him. I could hear him. Oh. I was, it was unbelievable to me what was happening to me. I didn't even know what was happening. I pulled to the side of the road Oh, good. And I sobbed. Yeah. I sobbed for about 20 minutes and I was just trying to figure out what was happening because anytime I had trigger factors before I could manage them, I could control them. I kind of let them happen and then I push 'em back down. Mm-hmm. This one wasn't going back down and I was a mess. I was just an absolute mess. I was able to get through the weekend. I drove back home and all I could think about was, what am I gonna do? What am I gonna do? [00:40:00] I wanted to stop thinking about him and I couldn't. I spent the next two weeks, really in anxiety. I, my husband would leave for work and I would just walk around the house, wring my hands, trying to figure out why I was feeling the way I was feeling. What was I gonna do with these feelings till at one point I finally decided I was gonna tell my best friend, and I was absolutely petrified to tell her because for the first time in 27 years, I was going to utter the words. I was sexually abused by my youth pastor. And I remember thinking, he's gonna find out and I'm gonna get in trouble. I just, I was 49 years old and I'm still afraid of this man. But I did tell her, it was, it took me a long time to, to get the words out, but I did, she was very supportive. She was very kind. She was patient as she waited for me to tell her. And so that started my journey of healing just by telling that first person. I then told two or three other of my close friends, so the four of us spent [00:41:00] many days and many hours on the screened in porch of one of my friends just letting me talk. Mm-hmm. And being able to express what had happened to me. I wasn't ready to tell all of the story. I mean, there's parts in the book that I won't go into here because they're pretty mm-hmm. Embarrassing and some things that I did. So I wasn't ready to tell them everything, but I told them enough that it helped me start to release what had been done to me. And so that was the first thing that I did, I think. And then the next thing I did, which was so valuable, and I encouraged victims to do it as well, I just read everything I could on clergy abuse or sexual abuse in itself. So I began to learn the terms of grooming, manipulation, gaslighting, and then I could see how he methodically used each one of those things on me to get me to do the things he got me to do, and to stay in that relationship for those five years. And that was huge for me. So [00:42:00] it was, for the first time as I began reading, I understood that I had been abused. Now, it still took me a while to admit that I really was sexually abused because I didn't want that label. I didn't wanna be an abuse victim. And there was a part of me. We all wanna be loved. And so there was still a part of me that I wanted to think that there was some part of him that cared about me, that this wasn't just purely about sex and that he wasn't just using me for his own gratification. And I had to get past that. I had to finally come to terms with, no, this man didn't do the no one who loves you, would do the things he did and ask the things he did of me. So that took me a while, to finally admit, okay, this was an abusive relationship. So I told someone, educating myself, and then I had to learn to forgive myself. I had to let, I had to let go of the guilt [00:43:00] and shame because any guilt and shame belongs squarely on him. This was a man that I should have been able to trust. It was in a place that should have been the safest place on earth for me. And he took advantage of a vulnerable teenager who had, I didn't have a major crisis in my life, but he knew my home life was an upheaval at times. He knew that I didn't see my dad very much. So he used that to against me. And I had to forgive myself for being who I was at the time and being able to respond the way I did for the coping skills I had at the time. Sure. You can look back. I, and I think, why didn't I say this? Why didn't I do that? But I couldn't because of, of the re of the relationship he had created between us. Mm-hmm. I had lost all power. He was in complete control of this relationship, so I had to forgive myself and that wasn't easy either. Then, and I don't know that this is something all victims should do, but I just felt this need [00:44:00] that I needed to confront him. I just felt like I couldn't move past this unless I was able to face him. Now, I had no contact with him for 27 years. I didn't even know if he was still alive, but I hired a private investigator and he found him ministering in a church in Alabama. And so I had my investigator contact him and we set up a time and a meeting that we would meet. And I took my husband, I took my friend who was a counselor and another friend who was at the church at the time. Um, I wanted her at this point. You told your husband at this point, I'm sorry. Yes, that's correct. I, it was probably three months after I told my friends, that I said to him I would like to meet him in his office and talked to him about something and. I was terrified. I don't know how else to say it. I just was so afraid. Not that I needed to be, but I was. And I probably sat there for almost, [00:45:00] I would say, 40 minutes and just cried. I was able to finally get out. I'm okay, the kids are okay, and then I started crying again. He couldn't have been any more supportive, more loving. I remember looking at his face and I said I was sexually abused by my youth pastor, and he didn't. His expression didn't change, and then I said. I was their babysitter and his face just dropped. And for the first time, I could see the pain I was feeling was reflected in his face. It was, I almost wanted to hug him to say, I'm sorry. 'cause I could see how much it hurt him to know that this had been done to me, especially as a baby. I mean, the picture became complete for him once I said that. And so he was very supportive. I think he was worried about me confronting this man, for a couple reasons. But one, I think he was worried that I would be disappointed in his reaction, and that I would be expecting too much of this [00:46:00] person to understand what he did to me and show any kind of remorse, and that I, it would hurt me even more. And one of my fears was that, I was afraid he wouldn't meet me. I was afraid that he was gonna say, no, I'm not gonna meet with you. And my husband said, oh, he's gonna meet with you all right? Because if he doesn't meet with you, you just tell him. Call the church secretary. We'll call every elder. We're gonna, he, somebody's gonna hear your story if he doesn't want to hear it. So he did agree to meet with me. I went down to Alabama and the meeting took place and I said the things that I wanted to say to him. I wanted him to get what he did to me. But he didn't, he never could understand the damage. It was almost as if, okay, I shouldn't have done it and I'm sorry I did it. Okay, now what do you want? It was, get away. You bother me? Yes. And his greatest fear as most narcissist, and I believe he was, narcissistic, but his greatest fear was that I was going to demand that he be removed from the ministry. I mean, that's what he [00:47:00] was most concerned about, how this was going to impact him. And he should have been out of the ministry. So I went to his. Boss. I was told this, and something happened 27 years ago. He, we think he's safe. We're not worried, in spite of the fact that during the meeting he had admitted that there had been multiple occurrences of sexual misconduct throughout his ministry. Not all teenagers, some were most were probably women. And then he said he had gone to therapy because he had been identified as a sexual addict. And I kept thinking, who, what? What world, what world? Does this make sense that a man who has been identified by a psychologist as a sex addict belongs in the ministry? Nope. But here was this church. So I sent a letter to his 11 elders thinking, okay, somebody in this eldership is gonna see this. Is I something's wrong here. Not one responded totally [00:48:00] ignored me. 11 elders totally ignored me. Wow. No worries. So then, I decided to go to his denominational leaders, which were in Indianapolis. And there again, while they were sympathetic to my story and apologize that it happened, they said, we're an independent church. Our churches hire and fire their own ministers. We have no control and if they choose to keep this man, we can do nothing about it. And so what, I was shut down and basically I had no place else to go. I had pretty much. Done everything I could do. And it wasn't my place in the man that he be removed. I expected the church to be, the church was to do the right thing. Exactly. I assumed so naively that once they heard my story and once they understood the background of this man, surely someone would say, this isn't right. But again, keep in mind he's very charismatic. He brings in [00:49:00] people, he brings in money. And to be fair, and probably I'm being a little too gracious, these men are very good at manipulating not only the victim but the congregation as well. They're very good at getting control of the congregation so that they find themselves following this man no matter what he would do. Yeah. And that's basically what happened. There was going to be, I got a four page letter from his boss telling me that, know, I'm going to. Ruin this church if I continue on this path and that I'm going to feel all this guilt because I'm gonna be responsible for the damage that I will do to pe people's spiritual lives. I mean that, it was an incredible, I put the letter in the book, I, because it is so incredibly, hard to believe that someone write that to a victim of abuse. Just So that was What year did that happen? 2004. Okay. So we did have. We did have the internet. Oh, yes. And this was after the Catholic, [00:50:00] church had their, exposure of sexual abuse within their church. So yes, this was, it was out there for sure. This wasn't something that you would think, oh, I can't believe this happened. And again, he had admitted to these past instances. I mean, this wasn't someone who was saying, oh, I don't know what she's talking about. Or, oh, this is the only time it ever happened. He had been in therapy because he was a sexual addict, So he wasn't registered as a sex offender? I guess not. And in my case, at the time of the abuse, the age of consent was 16. So I had no legal recourse because of I was either legally age of consent. Now that has been changed in Ohio. It's now 18. It's now 18, but many states it's still 16. There are several states where the age of consent is 16. Now, the interesting about that is. His contact sexual contact with me was not considered a crime. However, if he had been my high school teacher, it would've been a crime. What, so pastors I know [00:51:00] does not make sense. It does not make a leg of sense. No, it does not. So it, they don't consider him a teacher. They don't cons, they don't, they considered an affair. A mutual. Relationship if he'd been my teacher, that's a different story. So yeah, I had no legal recourse. And that was frustrating. But I couldn't change that. So it was what it was. I just had to accept that he, yes, he belonged in jail. Yes, there's no doubt and should be registered as a sex offender, but I'm not so sure that even if he's registered as a sex offender, these people in Alabama and wherever he is now, would. Even take that as a concern. Well, you know, the millennials now, they'll just, they just post stuff on Facebook and Twitter and call the evening news and they have, yes. News people at their doorstep, right. Ready to mm-hmm. Track this guy's name through the mud. Mm-hmm. But you didn't choose to do that, I guess. No, you know, I'm very careful about naming him in the sense that, part of my story is that I [00:52:00] reconnected with his wife. She actually divorced him after they moved, because again, he committed sexual misconduct. She was 20, I think, at the time, so it wasn't a minor, but that's beside the point. This is a man in a position that, a professional who does not cross boundaries like that. So, to no one surprise, he committed sexual misconduct the third time, so she divorced him. And part of, I guess letting go of some of the guilt that I felt, I wanted to. Connect with her to at least tell her, not that I was responsible for what happened, but how very sorry I was for her pain and suffering as well because she was part of the youth group. I mean, she was there at the church all the time. We sang in the choir together. So it was like I had a relationship with her. Oh wow. To some extent. And of course when, we were found, when he was found out by the elders, she was upset and she of course, didn't wanna have anything to do with me, which is understandable. So I actually think I [00:53:00] also wanted to give her the opportunity to say whatever she felt she needed to say to me if she wanted to. I mean, I didn't know what she was gonna say or react. I thought maybe she'd hang up on me. I didn't know. So I called her one day. My investigator found her phone number and gave it to me, and she couldn't have been any more gracious. I, she never blamed me. She understood as she, as the years went on, what this really was just like I did. She's remarried. She's has a wonderful husband now. And so I visited her several times. We keep in contact. And so part of my not wanting to expose him too much is that it would be hurtful to her. And he does have children. Now. I know that, well, whatever consequences are as a result of this are all on him, but I don't feel the need to add to that. That's not my purpose in speaking out. And so, mm-hmm. I've gone to his church leaders, I've done everything I can to get him removed from the ministry. And nothing, it's just [00:54:00] he's still, I don't know that he's still a pastor, but he still remains in good standing within that denomination to this day. Yeah. I mean, sometimes we have to just let God. Right. Dish out the justice. It may not be in our timeline, it may not be the way that we think it should happen, but Right. He's not gonna get away with this. No. And again, I did my part. Yes. So my conscience is clear and I am able to say I did what I could do and whether or not they removed him, I certainly hope that I maybe put some doubt in some of their minds and maybe questioned their motives in keeping this man. I don't know. But, I feel I did what I could do and I feel good about that. I feel good about that. Absolutely, you should. And what I'm really interested in is, you're trying to keep this stuff from happening to other people, so, I mean, what can we do to prevent some of this stuff? Well, it's [00:55:00] difficult again, because these men are among us as wolves in sheep's clothing, and so they're difficult to spot. But a couple things. I think the first thing I would tell people is if something doesn't seem right. Keep your antenna up. Don't just ignore it or just don't think, oh, well that can't be true because he's the pastor. Mm-hmm. If it's behavior that you wouldn't accept in someone else, or it's something that you would question in someone else, then question it in the pastor or the choir director, whoever it is. Don't be blinded by the person. The persona that they're presenting to you. So that's the first thing I would say is keep your antenna up. The other thing is we, and we're churches, I think are doing better about this, but you've got to have policies in place that say, no, you're not taking a 16-year-old girl on your hospital visit with you. Yes. That's, that's not normal. That's not right. What is she doing going on a hospital visit with you in a car? And of course now we have the texting [00:56:00] and there should be absolutely no texting between a pastor, a youth minister, and anyone in the congregation. And that includes, no, don't forget the meeting for the church luncheon. No, there should be no texting because you, it's too hidden and it's too easily moved to the next step. And that's how it starts. You know, all of the abuse when it's someone you know, it always starts with small things and subtle things. It doesn't, innocent things. Innocent things that, yeah, that, that are innocent. But so that's why, so no texting. Yeah. So put in the policy, those places of, when you take a 10-year-old child to the bathroom, you make sure there's another adult with you. Absolutely. That's for your safety as well as for the child's safety. Mm-hmm. So I, I think we need to be aware. And then I would also say watch for the vulnerable in your, among your church or your group. Watch for the kid that's got issues at home and is looking for a father figure. Be aware that they're going to be more susceptible to someone who's a predator and pay [00:57:00] attention to their cues and kind of keep in touch with them as well in a sense of asking questions and how they're doing and be the kind of a person that they might feel comfortable coming to if something were to happen to them because they're the ones that are gonna be most vulnerable, to a predator. So that's kind of, an overview of what. Maybe a help to try and stop and prevent some of this. Yes, I like lots of video cameras. They're cheap now. You can put a camera, you can hide cameras all over the church facility and Yes. And I think too, talking to this about this issue to the congregation before anything happens, maybe having a person in your congregation who is the go-to person on this topic, who, who's researched what all these grooming and manipulation is so that they are even more equipped to, to notice the signs. So you have a person who's kind of in charge of that topic and then address it to the congregation once a year and say, here's our policy and here's what we expect of our pastors and here's what we would hope you would [00:58:00] do if you notice something. So it just brings it out so that people feel like if there is something that they know is going on or something's wrong, they feel comfortable going to someone about it. Those are all really great tips for leaders and, church members. So what, what if I am listening and I am being subjected to some of this stuff, what should I do? Well, what you need to do and what is the hardest thing to do is to tell someone. Yeah. And it's hard to do because when you're in an abusive relationship, you are being controlled by your abuser. And the narrative is what he is directing. And so he's going to tell you, look, you can tell anybody you want. They're not gonna believe you. And he tells you that over and over again. He's also going to tell you that you are going to be in trouble if you tell anyone. And then there's that problem of you sort [00:59:00] of care about this person. Here's someone that has been helping you, who's been your mentor, and you don't wanna get him in trouble. So with all those dynamics involved, it's very difficult for victims to come forward. But I am telling you, you don't wanna wait the 27 years that I did no. And live with this guilt and the shame and the angst and the anxiety. First of all, it's not worth it. You're not doing anyone any favors, especially yourself, because there is help out there. But they can only help you if you're able to be able to tell someone. And believe me, I understand how difficult that is. It's not easy. Mm-hmm. But I would hope that I hearing my story and others that you will understand that there is help out there and you need to tell someone. 'cause it won't end until you tell someone. And if you need to, you go to someone that you trust. And if you need to, you go outside the church. Yes. You tell someone you know is going to listen to you. [01:00:00] Hey, I tell my listeners, you can call me anytime mm-hmm. And email me and I'm sure you'd say the same thing. Exactly. Reach out to Sandy if mm-hmm. You need somebody to talk to. Mm-hmm. Or you don't know what is the next step I need to take here? Right. It is scary to make First step. It's very scary. Very scary. Absolutely. So then there's the rest of us, those that have not experienced clergy abuse, maybe we're members in the church, maybe we're friends or family. What are some helpful things for us to do to support a victim? Helpful things to say, maybe there's things we shouldn't say, well, that's a yes. First, I would say anytime you're aware of a victim of clergy abuse or anybody who's been abused, whether it's clergy or not, reiterate to that victim that it was not their fault and that there was nothing they could have done, should have done that would've prevented this. And by doing that, you are [01:01:00] telling that person they're free to speak to you. And victims need to hear it over and over again because we do blame ourselves. Children as young as five will blame themselves because they allowed someone to touch them 'cause mommy said not to. And the that guilt in that shame that victims carry, it's difficult to let go of it. So to hear someone say to us, it's not your fault is so freeing. So that's the first thing. The second thing I would say is. Let them know that you will listen to them without judging them, and you will hear their story without being shocked that you are able to say, tell me everything you need to tell me, or Tell me as little as you wanna tell me. Give them a comfort place to go to talk. And then I would say, and this is difficult for people who have spiritual lives or who are part of the church, be very much aware that things such as prayer and Bible reading and [01:02:00] scripture can be very triggering for those who've been abused in the church. Mm-hmm. So things that you would find comforting like prayer. Can be a very major trigger factor for victims. And so instead of saying to a victim, I'll pray for you, or Can I pray with you? The best thing you could say would be to phrase it in such a way as to say, I understand because of what you've been through, prayer can be difficult. And so I would like to pray for you, but I would completely understand if you don't want to pray or you won't, don't even want me to pray for you. And so you've opened up the door to say to this person, wow, I don't have to feel guilty because I can't pray. You know, when we've grown up in the church and we've been told how wonderful church and prayer and all those things are, we still carry that guilt too because we're no longer connected to God. So to have a person on the outside. Recognize that these can be trigger factors is again, a gift. It's a [01:03:00] gift. So those things I think would be the most helpful when dealing with a person of clergy abuse. And give them time. Don't push forgiveness. Don't push trying to get them back into church. 'cause some victims will never be able to go back to church if you let them find their own pace of time and you do it without judging them. And I know that's kind of hard sometimes for Christians and people in the church because we love the church and we find it to be such a wonderful place and we want this person back in the church. Yes. But it, it may not be the best place at that point for that victim. Such valuable advice. I That is awesome. And again, back to like, when you're talking about the sex education, open up the dialogue, you know? Yeah. Bring it up. Bring it up before they bring it up. Again, I read in the newspaper that this girl was molested by, a gym teacher. You know that, that ha I know that happens. And then let 'em know that if. It is, like you said, allowing that comfort to be able to [01:04:00] talk to someone. I think for me it was important to give my side of the story. No one had a clue that he was emotionally and verbally and physically abusive to me. They saw this as a little love affair and that we had this, magic little love affair. Evil temptress. Yes, exactly. And so I wanted them to know the full story. That was important for my healing too. And they did that. And, they welcomed me back to the church. I went back, I've been back a couple times for, a youth group reunion that we had. So, and that was difficult. But again, I thought that was necessary for me to move forward. I had to let go of my past. I had to figure out, not to forget it, but how was I going to incorpo

Family members are desperate to locate Hollynn Snapp, missing more than two years from Kingsport, Tennessee. Deputies in San Tan Valley, Arizona are choosing not to arrest a 76-year-old man after he was found sitting half-naked in his driveway. Drew Nelson reports.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Tommy T talks amends at the Appalachian Regional Roundup 2025 in Kingsport, TN

After the Civil War, thousands of defeated Confederates refused to live under the Union flag. Instead, they packed up their families and headed for new lives in South America in a Confederate exodus from the United States.One of them was Ezekiel B. Pyles, a young man from the mountains of north Georgia, who rode with General John Hunt Morgan's raiders, fought across East Tennessee and Southwest Virginia and was captured at the Battle of Kingsport before becoming part of Jefferson Davis' guard as he fled Richmond at the end of the Civil War.  His story didn't end there, for he joined around 20,000 other Southerners who migrated to Brazil to start over.  In this episode, Rod and Steve tell the story of Pyles' incredible journey — from the hills of Appalachia to the colony of Americana.  It's another one of the Stories of Appalachia.Don't forget to subscribe; you'll find us on your favorite podcast app.

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Hour 3 of October 30, 2025 Jacob Townsend and Bud talk with studio sponsor, K.D. Bowen of Fanatics 101. Then, they talk with Happy Valley head coach Jason Jarrett as they get set to take on South Greene. Also, they are joined by ETSU men's soccer coach Allen Vital to talk about their win over Wofford and get set for the regular season finale at VMI. Allen's appearance is sponsored by Brian Boatright Edward Jones Investments in downtown Kingsport. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Tonight we unseal the seventh vault in our 31 Nights of Lovecraft with The Strange High House in the Mist—a tale past the edge of knowing into an elevation of the soul.

Pastors Patrick Hines (Bridwell Heights Presbyterian Church in Kingsport, TN), Jim Thornton (Reformed Faith Presbyterian Church in Clarksville, TN) and Henry Johnson (Trinity Presbyterian Church in Tazwell, VA) discuss chapter 13 of the Westminster Confession of Faith "Of Sanctification." CHAP. XIII.—Of Sanctification. I. THEY, who are effectually called, and regenerated, having a new heart, and a new spirit created in them, are further sanctified, really and personally, through the virtue of Christ's death and resurrection (1 Cor. 6:11; Acts 20:32; Phil. 3:10; Rom. 6:5-6), by His Word and Spirit dwelling in them (John 17:17; Eph. 5:26; 2 Thess. 2:13): the dominion of the whole body of sin is destroyed (Rom. 6:6, 14), and the several lusts thereof are more and more weakened and mortified (Gal. 4:24; Rom. 8:13); and they more and more quickened and strengthened in all saving graces (Col. 1:11; Eph. 3:16-19), to the practice of true holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord (2 Cor. 7:1; Heb. 12:14). II. This sanctification is throughout, in the whole man (1 Thess. 5:23); yet imperfect in this life, there abiding still some remnants of corruption in every part (1 John 1:10; Rom. 7:18, 23; Phil. 3:12); whence ariseth a continual and irreconcilable war, the flesh lusting against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh (Gal. 5:17; 1 Peter 2:11). III. In which war, although the remaining corruption, for a time, may much prevail (Rom. 7:23); yet, through the continual supply of strength from the sanctifying Spirit of Christ, the regenerate part doth overcome (Rom. 6:14; 1 John 5:4; Eph. 4:15-16); and so, the saints grow in grace (2 Peter 3:18; 2 Cor. 3:18), perfecti

Joe C from San Diego, CA gives an enthusiastic talk on steps 6 and 7 at the Appalachian Regional Roundup 2025 in Kingsport, TN 

On today's show: To Subscribe: https://thehotshotwakeup.substack.com/The question on the minds of many agency leaders and supervisors is how to build and train the new generation of wildland firefighters. Well, that's just what firefighter and teacher Bryan Kerns is doing with his wildfire program, earning him the 2025 Tennessee teacher of the year.Bryan Kerns is the Fire Science teacher at Dobyns-Bennett High School in Kingsport, TN. Bryan has been in wildland fire since 2003 and brought his wildland fire experience into the classroom in 2019. What started as an after school club known as The Pulaski Club in 2019 has now grown into a full progression of Fire Science courses, complete with one of the nation's, if not the only, high school Prescribed Burn Team. Bryan has over 30 young men and women from his program now working in wildfire and EMS.Bryan will travel to D.C. soon to discuss expanding this program nationwide.Contact: bkerns@k12k.comTHE HOTSHOT WAKE UP — Thank you to all of our paid subscribers. Your support allows us to donate generously to firefighter charities and supports all of our content. You also receive all of our article archives, more podcast episodes, Monday morning workouts, and also entered into our giveaways, plus more.

Deep in Kingsport, Tennessee lies the Sensabaugh Tunnel, one of the state's most infamous haunted sites. Locals whisper about eerie cries echoing through its concrete throat, a chilling sound that many mistake for the wail of an infant. Some say it's the ghost of a murdered child, others that it's Edward Sensabaugh himself, doomed to stalk the tunnel for eternity after a violent death. Over the decades, the stories have twisted, growing darker with each retelling.In this episode of Haunted American History, we explore the tragic folklore of the Sensabaugh Tunnel, the ghosts said to linger there, and the chilling truth about why its legends endure. YOUTUBE⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@hauntedchris⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok- @hauntedchris LEAVE A VOICEMAIL - 609-891-8658  Twitter- @Haunted_A_H Instagram- haunted_american_history email- hauntedamericanhistory@gmail.com Patreon- ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/hauntedamericanhistory⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ MusicLicense provided by Pond5

In 2023, within a few months' timeframe, two young girls would vanish without a trace from Kingsport, Tennessee.Hollynn Snapp, just 19 years old, and Layla Santanello, age 20.The girls have a similar background and mutual friends, but weren't known to hang out together themselves.There are some possible persons of interest- maybe in both cases- but no solid leads as to their whereabouts. Are their disappearances a coincidence? Or are they connected?Where are these missing girls of Kingsport, Tennessee?*******************************Link to Jennifer's TikTok Account:https://www.tiktok.com/@abeautifuldisaster101?lang=enLink to SF Investigates for additional Jail Call Recordings:https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/4vwx6qwu3oaj8mvpcr1v3/linkous-jail-call-2.m4a?rlkey=yjv3bno08xflw8o9dpwdhs4yn&e=1&st=p0uxxfr3&dl=0SF Investigates on X: https://x.com/SF_investigatesFOR MORE INFO & ADDITIONAL EPISODES: www.wherearetheypodcast.com Follow us on:Facebook:  www.facebook.com/wherearetheypodcastInstagram: @thewherearetheypodcastYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNW8IBkQiIFw65bjFhJv5JgEmail me: Canwefindthem@gmail.com

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SummaryIn this episode, host Colin Johnson is joined by Jenna LaFever and Lara Potter, the hosts of the podcast 'Meet Me in Tennessee.' They discuss their love for Johnson City, Kingsport, Erwin, Bristol, and the surrounding areas, the impact of the pandemic on tourism and relocation, and the importance of community engagement. The conversation highlights the unique offerings of Northeast Tennessee, including local food, outdoor activities, and the welcoming nature of its residents. They also share insights into their podcasting journey, the challenges they face, and the hidden gems in the region.TakeawaysJohnson City is known for its accessibility to surrounding areas.The pandemic has significantly changed the relocation landscape in Northeast Tennessee.People are drawn to Johnson City for its community and friendly atmosphere.Tourism is a major economic driver in Tennessee, second only to agriculture.Engaging with local nonprofits is a great way to connect with the community.The podcast 'Meet Me in Tennessee' aims to showcase local stories and attractions.There is a growing demand for elevated dining options in the region.Hidden gems like local farms and unique eateries are abundant in Northeast Tennessee.Community events and festivals are essential for integrating newcomers.The importance of local knowledge in tourism and community building is crucial. 

Send us a textIn this episode, we sit down with Zack Fleming, the Head Strength & Conditioning Coach at Dobyns‑Bennett High School in Kingsport, Tennessee. With program leadership since 2015 and recognition as the 2022 Tennessee HS Strength Coach of the Year ℹ️ , Zack brings transformative insight into building an impactful program at the high school level  

A preacher with five wives, a kidnapped teenage girl, and a cross-country manhunt.  This isn't fiction, it's the unbelievable true story of Joseph Herman Johnson, a Primitive Baptist minister whose lies and crimes unraveled in an East Tennessee courtroom in 1927. From bigamy to abduction to a bizarre promise of Hollywood stardom to his victim, this episode covers one of the most twisted scandals in Appalachian history, another one of the Stories of Appalachia.  Subscribe on your favorite podcast app so you don't miss any of our stories.  Thanks for listening.

When Steven Kilburn couldn't shake the feeling of dread that gripped him every time he drove a particular stretch of Maryland road, hypnotic regression revealed he had been abducted by alien beings who performed medical experiments on him and then erased his memory of the encounter. Join the DARKNESS SYNDICATE: https://weirddarkness.com/syndicateABOUT WEIRD DARKNESS: Weird Darkness is a true crime and paranormal podcast narrated by professional award-winning voice actor, Darren Marlar. Seven days per week, Weird Darkness focuses on all thing strange and macabre such as haunted locations, unsolved mysteries, true ghost stories, supernatural manifestations, urban legends, unsolved or cold case murders, conspiracy theories, and more. On Thursdays, this scary stories podcast features horror fiction along with the occasional creepypasta. Weird Darkness has been named one of the “Best 20 Storytellers in Podcasting” by Podcast Business Journal. Listeners have described the show as a cross between “Coast to Coast” with Art Bell, “The Twilight Zone” with Rod Serling, “Unsolved Mysteries” with Robert Stack, and “In Search Of” with Leonard Nimoy.DISCLAIMER: Ads heard during the podcast that are not in my voice are placed by third party agencies outside of my control and should not imply an endorsement by Weird Darkness or myself. *** Stories and content in Weird Darkness can be disturbing for some listeners and intended for mature audiences only. Parental discretion is strongly advised.IN THIS EPISODE: IN THIS EPISODE: When Steve Kilburn underwent hypnotic regression to try and understand where this dark, foreboding feeling he kept experiencing on a certain stretch of road came from, he discovered that something very strange indeed did take place years earlier… he had been abducted by aliens. (Unveiled Under Hypnosis: The Alien Secrets of Steve Kilburn) *** Velma Barfield was a sweet God-fearing grandmother. Unfortunately, everyone in her life seemed to die mysteriously. (Death Row Granny) *** Karolina Olsson climbed into bed in 1918 on a Swedish island and when she woke up, thirty years had passed. It's the story of a real-life Sleeping Beauty. (The Real Life Sleeping Beauty) *** In the wilds of Australia, the persistence of Yowie folklore has endured for centuries, continuing into modern times with dozens of reported sightings and tales coming out of the area every year. (Yikes! A Yowie!) *** Imagine driving through a graffiti-stained, decaying tunnel late at night when your car suddenly breaks down, and you notice a shadowy figure in your back seat. This eerie experience is just one of the chilling legends surrounding the Sensabaugh Tunnel in Kingsport, Tennessee, a place known for its haunted history and ghostly encounters. (Scares In The Sensabaugh Tunnel)CHAPTERS & TIME STAMPS (All Times Approximate)…00:00:00.000 = Lead-In00:01:23.733 = Show Open00:03:34.578 = Unveiled Under Hypnosis: The Alien Secrets of Steve Kilburn00:31:47.494 = Death Row Granny00:40:31.897 = The Real-Life Sleeping Beauty 00:49:55.604 = Yikes! A Yowie!00:54:44.907 = Scares In The Sensabaugh Tunnel00:58:53.396 = Show CloseSOURCES AND RESOURCES FROM THE EPISODE…BOOK: “Missing Time: A Documented Study of UFO Abductions” by Budd Hopkins: https://amzn.to/3LJzgRRBOOK: "The Yowie: In Search of Australia's Bigfoot" by Tony Healy and Paul Cropper: https://amzn.to/3Sx2cjD“Unveiled Under Hypnosis: The Alien Secrets of Steve Kilburn” (source) Marcus Lowth, UFOInsight.com:https://weirddarkness.tiny.us/yckwf4e9“Death Row Granny” (source): Mark Oliver, AllThatsInteresting.com: https://weirddarkness.tiny.us/y5rnkkh2“The Real-Life Sleeping Beauty” source: Kaushik Patowary, AmusingPlanet.com: https://weirddarkness.tiny.us/33ksz9fj“Yikes! A Yowie!” source: Bryan Hill, AncientOriginsUnleashed.com: https://weirddarkness.tiny.us/ycya4e37“Scares in the Sensabaugh Tunnel” source: TheScareChamber.com: https://weirddarkness.tiny.us/2p8b8xwe=====(Over time links may become invalid, disappear, or have different content. I always make sure to give authors credit for the material I use whenever possible. If I somehow overlooked doing so for a story, or if a credit is incorrect, please let me know and I will rectify it in these show notes immediately. Some links included above may benefit me financially through qualifying purchases.)= = = = ="I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness." — John 12:46= = = = =WeirdDarkness® is a registered trademark. Copyright ©2025, Weird Darkness.=====Originally aired: July 30, 2024EPISODE PAGE at WeirdDarkness.com (includes list of sources): https://weirddarkness.com/SteveKilburn

Lisa Scott ditched evictions for open houses, and she's never looked back. In this episode, she dishes on her bold leap from property management to real estate sales, building a business in a brand-new state with nothing but church ties and Facebook wit. But just when you think it's all contracts and confidence, buckle up for the $2M lead that turned into a surprise road trip, a wire transfer meltdown, and one accidental hostage situation. Hit play for laughs, lessons, and the kind of crazy story only real estate can deliver. Key takeaways to listen for Why Lisa ditched property management for real estate How moving to a new town with zero contacts didn't stop Lisa from building a thriving business The confidence-building move that helped Lisa go from rookie to recognized in her first year How Facebook groups can become an unexpected lead source What Lisa learned about client trust from navigating multiple markets   About Lisa ScottLisa is a Tennessee- and Virginia-licensed REALTOR® with Century 21 Legacy. A veteran's spouse who has moved frequently herself, she understands how to make real estate transitions smooth and stress-free. With millions in closed residential and commercial sales, Lisa combines expert market knowledge with personalized client care. She lives in Kingsport, where she and her family stay active in their church and local community.   Connect with Lisa Instagram: @realtor.lisascott Facebook: Lisa Scott - Realtor Email: lisascott.tnrealtor@gmail.com Phone Number: (603) 369-8160 Connect with LeighPlease subscribe to this podcast on your favorite podcast app at https://pod.link/1153262163, and never miss a beat from Leigh by visiting https://leighbrown.com. DM Leigh Brown on Instagram @ LeighThomasBrown.   Sponsors"You Ask. Leigh Answers." Your Affordable Coaching Program Hey there, real estate pros! Are you ready for some more Leigh Brown wisdom in your life? Then don't miss out on my brand-new program, "You Ask. Leigh Answers." It's your exclusive gateway to the insights and advice you need to supercharge your real estate business. With "You Ask. Leigh Answers." you get Direct Access to Leigh Brown, directly! Expert Coaching, Community Connection, and Extensive Resources. Whether listening to this on the go or watching at home, sign up today at Answers.RealEstate and take your business to the next level. Trust me, you'll be glad you did!  

Layla Marie Santanello was a 20 year old from Kingsport, TN. She was the mother of 1 and had several siblings. On the morning of June 27, 2023, Layla bummed a cigarette off a warehouse worker near the Americourt hotel then walked off toward a nearby bike path. She was never seen again. Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/jointheofficialsearchforlaylasantanello NAMUS: https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/106365?nav Map Video: https://youtu.be/WcijonlMx4g Article: https://www.wjhl.com/news/local/search-continues-for-layla-santanello-as-officials-provide-an-update/ Website: https://theunfoundpodcast.com/2025/05/13/layla-marie-santanello/ If you have any information concerning the disappearance of Layla Santanello, please contact the Kingsport Police Department at (423) 229-9300. Join this channel to get access to perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCz4bh2ppqACeF7BdKw_93eA/join --Unfound plays on Spotify, iTunes, Stitcher, Instagram, Twitter, Podbean, Deezer, Google Play and many other podcast platforms. --on Monday nights at 9pm ET, please join us on the Unfound Podcast Channel for the Unfound Live Show. All of you can talk with me and I can answer your questions. --Contribute to Unfound at Patreon.com/unfoundpodcast. You can also contribute at Paypal: paypal.me/unfoundpodcast --email address: unfoundpodcast@gmail.com --the website: https://theunfoundpodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Layla Marie Santanello was a 20 year old from Kingsport, TN. She was the mother of 1 and had several siblings. On the morning of June 27, 2023, Layla bummed a cigarette off a warehouse worker near the Americourt hotel then walked off toward a nearby bike path. She was never seen again. Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/jointheofficialsearchforlaylasantanello NAMUS: https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/106365?nav Map Video: https://youtu.be/WcijonlMx4g Article: https://www.wjhl.com/news/local/search-continues-for-layla-santanello-as-officials-provide-an-update/ Website: https://theunfoundpodcast.com/2025/05/13/layla-marie-santanello/ If you have any information concerning the disappearance of Layla Santanello, please contact the Kingsport Police Department at (423) 229-9300. Join this channel to get access to perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCz4bh2ppqACeF7BdKw_93eA/join --Unfound plays on Spotify, iTunes, Stitcher, Instagram, Twitter, Podbean, Deezer, Google Play and many other podcast platforms. --on Monday nights at 9pm ET, please join us on the Unfound Podcast Channel for the Unfound Live Show. All of you can talk with me and I can answer your questions. --Contribute to Unfound at Patreon.com/unfoundpodcast. You can also contribute at Paypal: paypal.me/unfoundpodcast --email address: unfoundpodcast@gmail.com --the website: https://theunfoundpodcast.com/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Layla Marie Santanello was a 20 year old from Kingsport, TN. She was the mother of 1 and had several siblings. On the morning of June 27, 2023, Layla bummed a cigarette off a warehouse worker near the Americourt hotel then walked off toward a nearby bike path. She was never seen again. Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/jointheofficialsearchforlaylasantanello NAMUS: https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/106365?nav Map Video: https://youtu.be/WcijonlMx4g Article: https://www.wjhl.com/news/local/search-continues-for-layla-santanello-as-officials-provide-an-update/ Website: https://theunfoundpodcast.com/2025/05/13/layla-marie-santanello/ If you have any information concerning the disappearance of Layla Santanello, please contact the Kingsport Police Department at (423) 229-9300. Join this channel to get access to perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCz4bh2ppqACeF7BdKw_93eA/join --Unfound plays on Spotify, iTunes, Stitcher, Instagram, Twitter, Podbean, Deezer, Google Play and many other podcast platforms. --on Monday nights at 9pm ET, please join us on the Unfound Podcast Channel for the Unfound Live Show. All of you can talk with me and I can answer your questions. --Contribute to Unfound at Patreon.com/unfoundpodcast. You can also contribute at Paypal: paypal.me/unfoundpodcast --email address: unfoundpodcast@gmail.com --the website: https://theunfoundpodcast.com/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Layla Marie Santanello was a 20 year old from Kingsport, TN. She was the mother of 1 and had several siblings. On the morning of June 27, 2023, Layla bummed a cigarette off a warehouse worker near the Americourt hotel then walked off toward a nearby bike path. She was never seen again. Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/jointheofficialsearchforlaylasantanello NAMUS: https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/106365?nav Map Video: https://youtu.be/WcijonlMx4g Article: https://www.wjhl.com/news/local/search-continues-for-layla-santanello-as-officials-provide-an-update/ Website: https://theunfoundpodcast.com/2025/05/13/layla-marie-santanello/ If you have any information concerning the disappearance of Layla Santanello, please contact the Kingsport Police Department at (423) 229-9300. Join this channel to get access to perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCz4bh2ppqACeF7BdKw_93eA/join --Unfound plays on Spotify, iTunes, Stitcher, Instagram, Twitter, Podbean, Deezer, Google Play and many other podcast platforms. --on Monday nights at 9pm ET, please join us on the Unfound Podcast Channel for the Unfound Live Show. All of you can talk with me and I can answer your questions. --Contribute to Unfound at Patreon.com/unfoundpodcast. You can also contribute at Paypal: paypal.me/unfoundpodcast --email address: unfoundpodcast@gmail.com --the website: https://theunfoundpodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices