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After a bit of a holiday break we're back with this episode that marked a shift in the show from this point forward. In an episode that starts centering on Homer and his buddies celebrating a sports championship, shifted to a story focused on Bart and the kids of Springfield. Come join us for a great time where we discuss: - Opening up our Joshua Jackson search to any Jackson Joshuas or even Jockson Jashuas. - The Simpsons being broadcast on a different night? - Could the Simpsons be coming to Disney Theme Parks? -Fairweather fandom. - Getting stuck in a "speaking of" loop. - Indoor kite flying. - Children of the Corn trauma. - Very British phrases. All this and much, much more! Our Recommendations Bryan: Post holiday trip to Asbury Park, New Jersey to see the Bouncing Souls. Cori: The aforementioned trip but focusing on the other things she and Bryan did. Patrick: A Man on the Inside on Netflix Want to reach out to us here's how you can do it: Email: soitscometothispod@gmail.com Instagram: @soitscometothis_pod Facebook: @soitscome2this Web: radpantheon.com

(Snippets from an Interview by Caroline Brown of "This Crazy over 40's Life Podcast") - Part 4- On-Demand Programme Link - https://mailchi.mp/bb2a7b851246/kairos-centreSomething shifted during Covid-19 lockdown. Many women enticed to use phones, computers and tablets during lockdown, crossed their own "values" boundaries, as it seemed reasonable to do so (in the unusual circumstances of lockdown). The problem: Once crossed and their brain experienced the novelty, naughtiness, daringness and thrill of seeing a partner on the other side of the screen - went back for repeat. With repeat, came "normalising". With normalising, came further encroachment.Many women have become addicted to sex and/or porn, but either do not know it, accept it, in denial, reject the notion or head buried - you choose which one! Oh no - don't be angry and upset with me. This might be the start of you reclaiming your life.Shall I push on, undaunted? "In for a penny, in for a pound, hey".For others, romantic novels (Fifty Shades of Grey is now somewhat tame) - they have gravitated to "Romance": as the safe search word on Netflix, Apple TV and Amazon Prime. Those movie viewings (with a bit (no - a lot) of spice) is now normalised night cap viewing with a cup of.... before bed. "Just my way of chilling and winding down. "I deserve"; "no harm done". (Oh - by the way - that sounds like the men's (similar) journey into porn!After all - "I'm not doing anything different to what lots of others watch and are doing"; "this is mainstream TV viewing, not a porn site"; "just a tonic before bed".Very British. At least it isn't sex before breakfast - which is not very British!!Which quote do you use - to justify?(Oh dear. Expect a lot of flack and adverse, annoyed feedback for this episode Gary - "Brace, Brace, Brace". Send them here folks: info@kairos-centre.com). Oh dear!Want to know more? Click the link and come get me.Get the help you need: bit.ly/pornaddictionhelpThe Kairos Centre created one of the world's first comprehensive Online Webinar Sex, Porn, Love Addiction video-on-demand Recovery Programme; discover the real, authentic you. www.kairos-centre.com or email info@kairos-centre.comNow launched: A Video-on-Demand Online Course (for Singles, Couples/Marrieds/Partners) Access here - https://www.kairos-centre.com/changement-on-demand/Gary McFarlane (BA, LLM, Dip, Certs), Accredited EMDR Practitioner.Support Our Show Linktree - https://linktr.ee/garymcfarlaneEpisode Keywords: Sex Addiction | Porn Addiction | Love Addiction | Root Causes | Brain Impact | Self-Soothing Behaviors | Family Conflict | Emotional Neglect | Peer Pressure | Performance Pressure | Separation | Divorce | Fear | Anxiety | Stress | Pain | Dissociation| Recovery Program | EMDR Therapy | Emotional Event | Trauma Healing | Neuroplasticity | Online Therapy | Sex Addiction Recovery Program | Compulsive Behaviors | Intimacy Issues | Sexual Dysfunction | Obsessive Thoughts | Guilt | Infidelity | Traumatic Bonding | Objectification | Hypersexualization | Pornography Industry | Love Addiction Patterns | Attachment Styles | Sexual Compulsivity | Behavioral Therapy | Relapse Prevention | Emotional Regulation | Healing Journeys | Intimacy Building | 

Isi brings a new section to the podcast, asking Mitch about cultural seaside traditions. All with a slightly cheap but iconic postcard theme they discuss the food, people, entertainment and wildlife of the British coastline. Afterwards, Mitch recommends one of his top five favourite films 'No Country for Old Men'. Interactive Transcript Support Easy English and get interactive transcripts and bonus content for all our episodes: easyenglish.fm/membership Transcript Intro Mitch: [0:22] Are you ready? Isi: [0:26] I am ready. I have the feeling we only record tired podcasts now. We change from having a cocktail sometimes with our podcast to coffee and tiredness. Mitch: [0:40] Have we begun? (Yes.) Okay. Isi: [0:42] But I'm super motivated because of a great topic. Mitch: [0:45] Oh yeah? Isi: [0:46] Yes. Mitch: [0:46] Okay, firstly, welcome to the Easy English Podcast. Isi: [0:48] Welcome. Mitch: [0:50] We hope you're all well and not as sleepy as us but also as motivated as us. Isi: [0:56] I'm not even sleepy the coffee does help. Okay... Mitch: [1:00] I think it's because the shutter that sort of works for the... on the window that for the room that we're in is broken. I broke that and we seem to be breaking a lot of things at the moment where... you said it last night we're a bad omen, at the moment. Isi: [1:16] I think so. Mitch: [1:17] We also... don't tell your parents broke their fridge Isi: [1:21] We didn't. (Someone did.) Well I think the fridge was broken we were just being the unlucky ones to be there when the last hit. Mitch: [1:33] Here's a good idiom for you. Isi: [1:34] Yes? Mitch: [1:35] We have been the straw that broke the camel's back. Isi: [1:39] I know that one, I don't have to use my buzzer. I know it. Mitch: [1:45] Okay good, what is it that you want to bring to the Easy English Podcast today? Is it a new section? Isi: [1:50] Yes it is. So I know we discuss culture a lot of times and we have the Culture Club where we recommend British things or British series or anything cultural but last time we spoke about Brits on Germans and obviously we want to talk here about um Brits and the British way of life and I thought we could have a new section which is called Very British where we talk about anything that is actually considered to be British which could be like characteristics or like how people behave cultural behaviour but also the way that Brits or people in Britain do things. Mitch: [2:41] Okay, and what's the name of this called? Very British? Isi: [2:43] Very British. Mitch: [2:44] Okay, we... I make a... Isi: [2:45] We can also call it So Very British. Mitch: [2:50] Okay, I make a section which is coming in now! Support Easy English and get interactive transcripts and bonus content for all our episodes: easyenglish.fm/membership

Very British and very awks...   The Yellow and Blue Crew celebrate some big victories this week, and also get a little awkward wrapping up S2E4, touching on all manner of subjects including medieval art, premium views and things just being too cute.   Tracks for the playlist this week: Un Peu Plus Souvent by Alexia Grady Mona Lisa by Mxmtoon Freak Out by Miya Folick   As always, like, review and share us and join in the discussion @aheartstopperpodcast on Insta and in our Facebook group. And please give generously to the Just Giving on behalf of Switchboard to get Luke tattooed! https://www.justgiving.com/page/luke-sibson-1708377127081?utm_medium=fundraising&utm_content=page%2Fluke-sibson-1708377127081&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=pfp-share

TICKETS TO OUR 2023 TOUR ARE NOW ON SALE! Soon: NYC! COME TO THE GORGEOUS GORGEOUS DANCE PARTY AFTER OUR 11/16 NYC SHOW! WHAT'S UP! We're in a hotel room in Toronto! Chatting about the likes of, you know... Brenda Lee's return to the charts (buy her single in iTunes!), Travis Kelce's ex-gf Kayla blowing up the tabloids, Awkwafina's TWO WAX FIGURES hit the "market", Olivia Jade & her mom Lori land the big account (Steve Madden... but it's funnier than simply that), Tyler Hynes: who is he?, Sophie Turner kisses a VERY British guy on the street (and Tori Spelling kisses a guy that looks like HER soon-to-be-ex-husband... also on the street). Plus, Jess Glynne! Nice! Call in at 619.WHO.THEM to leave questions, comments & concerns for a future episode of Who's There?. Support us and get a TON of bonus content over on Patreon.com/WhoWeekly. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lee and Leah are back and they are in court! Stuffy, drab, VERY British court. This time out they are looking at the little-known British courtroom drama "The Blind Goddess" (1948), directed by Harold French. As it turns out they had far more to say about it than they thought they would. Before that they have an extended talk about what they've watched as of late. Get a good lawyer and tune-in, won't you? "The Blind Goddess" IMDB  Featured Music: "Here Comes the Judge" by Shorty Long & "Here Come the Judge" by The Magistrates.

In this podcast, you will learn about Easter in the UK. You will also improve your English listening skills and vocabulary!

Bex has been chatting to the star of Marcel The Shell With Shoes On, Jenny Slate! She even had time to teach her a VERY British phrase...See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Diesmal geht es in der WDR 4-Küche "Very British" zu. Ulla Scholz schmort ein Lamm-Stew, das mit einer Kartoffelkruste überbacken wird. Es ist ein Gericht für kalte Wintertage und lässt sich prima vorbereiten. Von Ulla Scholz.

CRY WOLF (B&B Investigations, Case 1) In a world part 1940s film noir and part Grimms, B&B Investigations are hired to clear the name of one "Mr. Wolf", who was allegedly killed after devouring a grandmother...  Written and produced by Julie Hoverson   Cast List Paul Bette - Joel Harvey Donna Bella - Julie Hoverson Captain Oftheguard - Reynaud LeBoeuf Mrs. Wolf - Rhys TM Rumplestiltskin - Philemon Vanderbeck Red - Julia Carson Little Boy Blue - Beverly Poole Portia - Chandra Wade Prince - Mr. Synyster Additional Voices - Cole Hornaday Music:  Buz Hendricks, Somewhere Off Jazz Street (via Jamendo) 19 Nocturne Main Theme:  Kevin McLeod (incompetech.com) Editing and Sound:   Julie Hoverson Cover design:  Front: Brett Coulstock   "What kind of a place is it?  Why it's a private detective's office, can't you tell?" ************************************************ CRY WOLF Cast: Olivia (opening credits) Donna Bella - slumming society dame Paul Bett - roughneck P.I. Mrs. Wolf - distraught widow Red - hot tamale and damsel in dis dress Captain Oftheguard - police investigator Boy Blue - patticake ragamuffin Winky, Blinky, Noddy - sewing Crones Rumpy Stiltskin - snitch Portia - Lawyer from across the pond Prince Officer Sees-Real-Far ANNOUNCER    19 Nocturne Boulevard. CABBIE    Nocturne Boulevard?  Not far.  When you hit Howard, hang a right.  Howard meets Phillip at a weird kind of angle, then you cross James and Poe.  You can't miss Nocturne - it's just past the automat. ANNOUNCER    19 Nocturne Boulevard, your address for suspenseful stories of the speculative, strange, and supernatural.  Tonight's story is called Wolf's Clothing SOUND    KNOCK ON DOOR.  DOOR OPENS. OLIVIA    [sultry voice]  Yes.  This is 19 Nocturne Boulevard, won't you step inside? SOUND    FOOTSTEPS OLIVIA    Did you have any trouble finding it?  What do you mean, what kind of a place is it?  Why, it's a private detective's office, can't you tell? MUSIC    SULTRY NOIR SAX MRS. WOLF    I know he was a beast-- PAUL    Hey! MRS. WOLF    But he was mine.  And now he's dead. DONNA    Seems like a cut and dried case, Mrs. Wolf.  What exactly do you want us to do? MRS. WOLF    They're saying my dear sweet husband Loopy killed this old lady and was taken down by a "good Samaritan" before he could escape.  But he would never do anything like that! VOICEOVER MUSIC BEGINS DONNA    [voiceover]  We'd seen it all before.  But that's what you get in P-I work - more of denial than Egypt in flood season, and more grief than happily ever afters.  Lives are like mirrors - once they're shattered, they can never be quite put back together. PAUL    [voiceover] Mrs. Wolf was a typical criminal's window.  Never willing to admit that the dead beloved might have actually been a predator-- DONNA    [voiceover]  Hey!  This is my voiceover. PAUL    [voiceover]  You said we were going to start splitting them.  And you kept top billing. DONNA    [voiceover]  That's my Paul.  Paul Bette.  Despite his excruciatingly gruff and intimidating exterior, he always has to be the logical one. PAUL    [voiceover]  And that's my Donna.  Donna Bella.  She's a lot more than just a pretty face.  VOICEOVER MUSIC STARTS TO FADE OUT DONNA    [voiceover]  I am right here. PAUL    [voiceover]  Hmph.  Maybe you'll learn something.  Is it my turn now? DONNA    [voiceover]  Nah, let's cut back to the scene. VOICEOVER MUSIC ENDS MRS. WOLF    It's like you're not even listening to me!  DONNA    Sorry.  So your husband was killed in the commission of a crime-- PAUL    Alleged crime.  Alleged commission. MRS. WOLF    Loopy would never do that!  He's always been a good husband and father-- DONNA    Forgive me for asking, Mrs. Wolf, but has he been known to, well, hunt in other pastures? PAUL    That was surprisingly tactful. DONNA    Thank you. MRS. WOLF    You're asking if he ever ran around on me? DONNA    You know, a little howl at the moon?  A little lamb on the side? MRS. WOLF    Well Loopy was no saint-- PAUL    It will help us help you. MRS. WOLF    [Sobs, then grudgingly] Yes. I always knew he was a bit of a dog, but I loved him.  And there were always the cubs to consider. DONNA    Let's get down to the teeth of the matter.  What exactly do you want us to do?  Your husband's killer is no secret - in fact he's all over the papers as a big hero.  "Simple woodcutter saves young girl from fate of devoured gramma."  Story on page 7. MRS. WOLF    It's the insurance.  They're refusing to pay out since he died while committing a crime.  I wouldn't ask if it was just for me, but our pack - well, we'll hardly be able to hold our muzzles up in public. VOICEOVER MUSIC BEGINS     PAUSE DONNA    [voiceover] ... OK, you go. PAUL    [voiceover]  Thank you.  The case was the biggest thing to hit the hot sheets since the disappearance of debutante White last year.  Nothing sparks the interest like someone getting devoured. DONNA    [voiceover] ...And a little heavily implied sex.  The facts were pretty cut and dried.  Red reached gramma's cottage at 10 p.m., only to find the door unlocked and most of the light bulbs unscrewed.  A voice from the bedroom called out for her to come in. VOICEOVER MUSIC CUTS OUT PAUL    We should check and see if Mr. Wolf was known for voice impersonations. DONNA    Noted.  So-- PAUL    [cutting her off] So Red went in to deliver gramma's goodies-- DONNA    [upping the ante] --and didn't realize at first that the person tucked up in bed was not her dear sweet gran-- PAUL    [stealing the punchline, almost breathless] --but a bloodthirsty wolf, dressed in the clothes of the little old lady he had devoured just moments earlier. DONNA    [sigh]  Why didn't she notice?  We need to check on Red's eyesight.  Seems fishy to me.  Could she have been expecting something? PAUL    I've heard some interesting things about Red.  Maybe I should tackle her alone. DONNA    Me too - [catty] I've heard that if her riding hood was a car, it would come with a rumble seat and a convertible roof.  PAUL    [wolfish] They do say she likes to run around with the top down. DONNA    [sweetly]  Well, you go on ahead.  I'll stop in on the Captain and see if I can wiggle loose a copy of the official report. PAUL    Nothing doing!  I know just what kind of wiggling you-- [cut off by music] VOICEOVER MUSIC STARTS DONNA    [voiceover, very satisfied]  So we paid a little call on Red.  Together. PAUL    [voiceover]  Hey!  Let me finish. DONNA    [voiceover]  Tell me on the way. SOUND    CAR DOORS.  CAR DRIVES OFF  CAR ENGINE UNDER PAUL    Bella? DONNA    [romantic-ish] Yes, Paul? PAUL    [musing] What would you do if you walked into, say, my bedroom... DONNA    Oh, Paul? PAUL    [not noticing] And crept up to the burly figure tucked up in bed.... DONNA    [giggles]  Um-hum? PAUL    [still oblivious] and when you got close enough to get a good look, you see-- DONNA    [sultry] What would I see, Paul? PAUL    --A wolf in a nightcap? DONNA    What?  I mean, you're a bit shaggy around the edges, but-- PAUL    Huh?  I was thinking of Red.  What were ... you...? DONNA    [snappish] Teasing.  You're right.  Even if she had to get close before noticing, there's too much chance she'll spot the switch.  That's quite a risk he took. PAUL    Why are you so flushed?  Are you OK? DONNA    Huh?  [covering badly]  Thrill of the chase.  Are we there yet? VOICEOVER MUSIC STARTS DONNA    [whispering]  I think he's - yep - he's gone.  Well, as you might have noticed, my big lug of a partner doesn't seem to know I'm alive - except as a sidekick and a sleuth.  I've heard of girls who want to be loved for their minds, but everything from my neck down was getting lonely.  So I --- Oops, here he--  [clears throat] When we got to Red's address-- PAUL    Did I miss anything? DONNA    Nope!  --the windows of the bungalow were dark and a FOR SALE sign sat in the yard. PAUL    What's ... wrong? DONNA    [snap] Nothing. VOICEOVER MUSIC ENDS SOUND    OUTDOOR NOISES PAUL    No, really. DONNA    Well, there is one thing... [beat]  Why would she sell her house right after her brush with death? PAUL    Bad memories? DONNA    But that would be Gramma's house, wouldn't it? PAUL    So where's Red? CAPTAIN    [off, coming on]  She's staying at the Perrault Hilton - makes it easier to avoid the press. DONNA    [all sweetness, not fake] Captain Oftheguard, what are you doing here? PAUL    [growls] CAPTAIN    I could ask you the same thing.  What's the deal?  This is hardly the most interesting case in town, seeing as we've already got everything handled - one dead killer, one live hero-- PAUL    And one red hot media bombshell.  Getting any good press lately? DONNA    Ssh!  We've been asked to look into a couple things.  You know how insurance companies are.  CAPTAIN    [warning] Look, this case is wrapped up tighter than a ballgown in a walnut, and the last thing I need is you two poking your noses into it and messing it up.  I don't want to see you anywhere near this case, you hear?  I've got a glass mountain just waiting for the first one to get in my way. PAUL    Oh yeah? DONNA    Shh. Bruce-- CAPTAIN    [softening, but stern] Don't Bruce me, Donna.  Why a nice girl like you wants to be a private eye is beyond me.  Call me when you want to go legit. PAUL    [growls] CAPTAIN    Take it up with the king, pal. SOUND    FOOTSTEPS STOMP AWAY DONNA    Why can't you be civil? PAUL    I don't like him.  He treats you like you should be locked in a tower. DONNA    Tsch.  He just-- BOY BLUE    Pardon me, good miss, good sir, have you seen a mangy cur? PAUL    Pfui.  Get away. DONNA    No need to-- PAUL    I hate patticakes. DONNA    If not for them, who'd do all the scut work? Cartoon mice?  Paul, why don't you run along and see if you can talk to Red?  I'll catch a cab late - it's Bee night anyway. PAUL    But--? VOICEOVER MUSIC STARTS DONNA    I have to explain the patticakes, dear.  You'll have plenty of time to get across town. PAUL    [muttering, going off] They come in here, take all the jobs... DONNA    You may have noticed a certain theme to our world.  Well, the patticakes hail from a completely different land. PAUL    [off, yelling]  They don't even speak good English! DONNA    [sigh]  They're stuck in the past, and limited in their abilities, but they do just fine at menial labor, so they get hired under the table by people too cheap or too broke to find someone local.  Luckily, when I was a kid, my nanny was an old woman who lived in a shoe, so I knew the lingo. VOICEOVER MUSIC ENDS PAUL    [yelling, off] And they do stupid things like jump over candle-sticks--  DONNA    [yelling back] It's over! PAUL    [off, not yelling]  Oh. DONNA    [sigh]  Right.  Hmm...  [thinking noises] question - no that's a hard one, little boy blue... wait, no... I've got it!  [to boy]      I've seen no dog, my boy in blue, but I have something to ask you. BOY BLUE    Lovely Lady, kind and fair I'll answer anything I dare! DONNA    Just a moment.  [thinking again, then]      I need to know about Miss Red Or about the wolf that's dead BOY BLUE    The wolf is dead? Oh lackaday! He had me watch his car for pay. DONNA    You mean the wolf came here?  What-- oh! [thinking hard, trying to rhyme]  BOY BLUE    I see the sinking of the sun My mother worries - I must run! SOUND    FOOTSTEPS RUN OFF DONNA    Damn!  But why would Mr. Wolf have come here?  If Red knew him-- VOICEOVER MUSIC CUTS HER OFF DONNA    What? PAUL    I need to muse.  Take a break. DONNA    Are you spying on me? PAUL    [genuinely shocked] No!  I wouldn't-- DONNA    Good.  PAUL    [clears throat] I figured this was as good a time as any to tap my underworld contacts, see if there was any connection between red and the wolf-- DONNA    Don't you dare!  That's my clue! PAUL    Now who's spying? DONNA    I'll go away, but only if you don't follow my clue. PAUL    [growl]  Oh, Done. DONNA    Fine. PAUL    [loudly] Then I decided to tap my underworld contacts to see if the woodcutter had any prior grudge against the wolf-- DONNA    [off] That's better! PAUL    And I figured after that, I could swing by ...Captain ...Oftheguard's... office--  [quietly] Donna?  [waits]  Whew.  [chuckles, then fondly]  She's a real salamander when she gets started.  Look, don't tell her this, [listens again for a second] but, I feel like such a - well, a beast - when I see her and Oftheguard together.  He's an old friend of the family - when her father the big time importer had a few bad business breaks, he helped them keep the wolf from the door, and I always figured it was to get close to her, since her sisters are no prize.  That's how Donna ended up coming to work for me.  Times were tough.  [putting a brave face on it] Now that her father's back in the shipping fast lane, I figure it's just a matter of time before she gets bored with keeping company with a roughneck like me and goes back to her high society friends.  PAUL    [breaking a little]  I don't know how I'll get by without her, but there's no way a gorgeous dame like her could ever be interested in a big hairy brute like yours truly.  And what could I say?  Every time I try and come up with something romantic, all I think of is "will you marry me?" which is bound to be slapped down.  So I make light and pretend I don't see her lovely eyes and shiny red hair... [sigh that's almost a growl]  DONNA    I'm back - miss me? PAUL    I, no, I-- [going off] have to meet a guy. DONNA    I'll never understand him.  [beat]  What?  Oh, fine - [sigh] I got to the bee.  [beat] Why isn't the music ending?  I've arrived.  [beat]  Tsk.  [exasperated sigh]  Grand balls may be the obvious social events of high society, but the sewing bees are the true heart of the old dame's network.  We get together to spin and weave and sew ... and dish.  [calling off]  Good enough? VOICEOVER MUSIC ENDS ABRUPTLY DONNA    [sarcastic]  Thanks.  SOUND    KNOCK ON DOOR WINKY    [muffled] Come in! SOUND    DOOR OPENS, FOOTSTEPS  DONNA    Hey, ladies!  Winky, nice glasses.  Blinky, how's the gout?  Nod - What happened to your hunch? NODDY    [sounding like Marty Feldman] What hunch? DONNA    Huh?  Nevermind.  I brought Pies! THE LADIES    [noises of happy excitement] WINKY    Is this that Pieman friend of yours? DONNA    Might be.  [chuckles]  Never hurts to have pals in low places.  Hey, Tilda's not here?  Did she finally finish those shirts for her seven brothers? BLINKY    All but one sleeve, can you believe it?  No one ever understand how long these things take.  DONNA    I'd'a thought she be here chatting up a storm, just about now. NODDY    She's on her honeymoon, the wench! PAUL    [off, calling]  Enough of this Lifetime moment.  Can I have the narrative for a while?  There's actually something happening over here. DONNA    [loud whisper] Oh, all right, but - where's the-- VOICEOVER MUSIC STARTS HASTILY DONNA and PAUL    Thank you! PAUL    May I? DONNA    [fondly] Brute.  [long sexy sigh, then fading away]  Very well.  PAUL    [lustful growl, then shakes himself out of it]  That woman.  Where was I?  Right.  My best contact, Rumpy - that little weasel - was just coming out of his basement for the night as I rolled up. VOICEOVER MUSIC FADES SOUND    STREET NOISES, FOOTSTEPS PAUL    Hey Rump.  Any straw to gold today? RUMPY    [surprised]  Oh!  Oh, it's you, Bett.  Whadja want? PAUL    Come on old pal!  Can't a guy just look you up for old times sake? RUMPY    You know, and I know, we got no old times, me old son.  Show me the money.  Unless you have, uh, something a bit more round and pink handy? PAUL    No babes today, Rump.  You're old enough, you wouldn't know what to do with one if you did get one.  Right, then.  I want the skinny on the Wolf massacre. RUMPY    Wolf?  I don't seem to recall-- SOUND    CLINK OF HEAVY COINS PAUL    This refresh your memory?  RUMPY    Oh, you mean the Red Riding Hood rescue.  PAUL    I want to know more about the wolf, and I heard you two sometimes ended up at the same watering holes.  What kind of guy was he? RUMPY    [losing the sly undertones]  Truly, I never would have pegged him as a grammavore.  Never saw him touch anything harder than lamb kebobs, if you get my drift.   PAUL    No steak tartare?  No little pigs? RUMPY    Truly, Bett, on my mother's grave.  He was a bit secretive the last few days, though, leering and preening and hinting he had a new lady friend.  Said something about her being real hot stuff.  PAUL    Red hot? RUMPY    [cagey again] Yes... he might have said something like that.  But he did say one thing solid, that I almost recall... SOUND    CLINK OF MORE COINS RUMPY     Ah, yes, it all comes back to me.  He mentioned how she was, um, a bit experimental, in the...  boudoir, so to speak. PAUL    Kinky? RUMPY    To put a bald face on it, yes.  He said she liked him to 'dress up'. VOICEOVER MUSIC DONNA    [after a pause] What, no snappy wrap up? PAUL    Frankly, I'm a little creeped out. DONNA    Oh, all right, let's meet up outside the office. PAUL    Yeah, good. VOICEOVER MUSIC FADES AMBIANCE    STREET NOISES SOUND    HORSE GOES BY QUICKLY, THEN SUDDENLY HOOFBEATS STOP DONNA    [yelling off] Hey!  Just because that thing can fly doesn't mean there isn't a scoop law! PAUL    [very tired]  Morning. DONNA    What happened to you?  Phew - you smell like an elvish cobbler shop. SOUND    FOOTSTEPS ON SIDEWALK, THEY AMBLE OFF TO WORK PAUL    I was tapping rumpy.  [flustered] I mean , I was getting the low-down from my contacts. DONNA    Stiltskin's about as low down as they get... PAUL    You get anything at the Bee? DONNA    Not much.  Neither one sees to have run in our circles.  Seems Gramma didn't get out much, and Red moves in - well, much FASTER circles... PAUL    I see. DONNA    One thing, though.  Rapunzel showed up for a bit - she's legal counsel for the highway board, you know? - and said that SHE'd heard of Gramma‑‑ PRINCE    Halt there!  PAUL    What?  It's too early for-- PRINCE    Unhand that fair maiden! PAUL    Who, her? DONNA    What? PRINCE    Don't worry - I am here to save you!  Take heart, dear lady!  PAUL    Um, fellow-- DONNA    [ramping up] What? PRINCE    This foul beast cannot harm you ever again!  Rescue is at hand! PAUL    Look out, he's gotta sword! PRINCE    Have at!  Hah! DONNA    WHAT! MUSIC STING CAPTAIN    I am disappointed in you.  That poor, poor prince-- PAUL    [muttered] He started it. CAPTAIN     Brawling on the street like a couple of - drunken...  um... drunkards. DONNA    He must be annoyed, he's dropping his similes. CAPTAIN    Shut up!  You'll be lucky if he doesn't press charges!  I'm still trying to decide if I should toss you in a dungeon. DONNA    Huh?  I didn't even break his nose until he brought up Stockholm Syndrome. PAUL    She was very understated. DONNA    Thank you. CAPTAIN    I don't CARE!  I won't have it in my town! PAUL    Look, if it will get him to forgo filing a complaint, tell him he can tell everyone it was me that done him over.  Much less embarrassing to the folks back home. CAPTAIN    [sigh, resigned] Fine.  Get outta here.  I know where to find you. SOUND    CHAIR SCRAPE, FOOTSTEPS, THEN STEPS PAUSE PAUL    One thing, Captain - was there an autopsy on Mr. Wolf? CAPTAIN    Autopsy?  Why would we do that?  It was obvious how he died! PAUL    I was more interested in his stomach contents... CAPTAIN     Besides, after the woodcutter got through with him, there wasn't much cutting left to --  stomach contents? PAUL    Just curious.  We'll get out of your way. SOUND    FOOTSTEPS, DOOR SHUTS DONNA    Think he'll go for it? PAUL    fifty-fifty. DONNA    Is that a bet? VOICEOVER MUSIC PAUL    We decided to speak with the only killer we were sure of - even if he was the hero of the day.  The woodcutter had been mighty quiet.... END VOICEOVER DONNA    That was short and sweet. PAUL    I'm still hung over. DONNA    This is the place. SOUND    KNOCKING ON A DOOR, PAUSE THEN KNOCKING AGAIN PAUL    Uh-oh. DONNA    What? PAUL    In the window. DONNA    [gasp!]  Is he--? PAUL    Well, he could be sleeping.  On the floor.  In a puddle of blood... Here--[effort] SOUND    DOOR BEING FORCED, HIS FOOTSTEPS DONNA    [off, calling] Anything? PAUL    Nothing obvious. DONNA    [off] Check him for combs and poison apples, but be careful, Paul! PAUL    [quiet]  I love it when she worries. DONNA    [off] What? PAUL    Nothing.  [grunts as he rolls him over]  Aha.  Stabbed in the back. DONNA    With what? PAUL    I have an idea...  And look at this! SOUND    HER FOOTSTEPS COME ON DONNA    What is--?  Why would he have one of those? PAUL    Maybe a souvenir from Gramma's house? DONNA    No - she only had one, and the wolf was wearing it when he died. PAUL    Hmm.... DONNA    I'll call Captain Oftheguard-- PAUL    No, we'll need him. DONNA    Need him for what? VOICEOVER MUSIC STARTS PAUL    [importantly] The denouement. DONNA    Are we there already? PAUL    Oh, yes.  [clears throat]  So we rounded up all the unusual suspects - DONNA    There's actually only the one.  Red. PAUL    Oh, well, we got Red and Oftheguard to meet us at Gramma's cottage, a one-room, run-down little affair that had definitely seen better days - three or four kings ago. VOICEOVER MUSIC STOPS DONNA    All present and -- who are you? RED    [VERY SULTRY]  That's my attorney Portia. PORTIA    [VERY BRITISH, acknowledging the intro]  Most noble lady. PAUL    Portia? DONNA    [whispered] I think she's from across the pond. PAUL    [growls, then mutters] First patticakes, now Shakespeareans - what's next?  DONNA    Shh.  Denouement, remember? PAUL    Right.  [pulls himself together]  Daymoo-- [sighs, almost a growl] Denouement.  DONNA    Should I start? RED     Well somebody should. CAPTAIN    We're all here. PAUL    Fine.  We were hired to investigate the circumstances of a violent death-- RED    My Gramma? PAUL    Actually, no.  We're talking about the death of Mr. Wolf, at the hands of a woodcutter. RED    But he was protecting little old me.  That's not murder! DONNA    Stuff it up your riding hood, Red.  Let Paul talk. PAUL    [growls appreciatively]  As I was saying, Wolf's wife, loyal to the end, insisted that while he might have been on the prowl, he wasn't a killer.  And she was right, wasn't she, Captain? CAPTAIN    He?  [grudgingly]  Turns out you're right.  There was no sign of gramma in the wolf's stomach contents. DONNA    Great! CAPTAIN    [defensive]  But there was Gramma - bits - found in his mouth and teeth - so there was no reason for us to look any farther. PAUL    Understandable.  CAPTAIN    The guard is always busy, and understaffed.  DONNA    We're agreeing with you. PAUL    So the wolf was a patsy.  A fall guy.  PORTIA    What, like icarus? DONNA    Don't confuse him. PAUL    And once we rule out who seemed to be the murderer, we have to look at motive.  CAPTAIN    Which is? RED    Yes, enlighten us - If you think I want to own this run-down little rathole, you're sadly mistaken.  It's so old, it might as well have been built out of gingerbread. DONNA    Ah!  Well I found out, from a contact in the D-A's office and highway planning board, that there's been a highway supposed to go through this very spot, but it's been held up in the planning stages, since Gramma didn't want to sell. RED    [gasp] PORTIA    Is there something I should know? SOUND    KNOCK ON THE DOOR CAPTAIN    That will be Officer Sees-Real-Far.  [raising voice] come in! S-R-F    We did what you said sir, and-- CAPTAIN    [lowering his voice] And? S-R-F    [low] out behind the woodshed sir. CAPTAIN    Very good. PORTIA    In the interest of disclosure, sire--[don't forget her best line - the devil is in the details, milord] CAPTAIN    In a bit.  Go on. DONNA    But even if Red had a very good motive - by the way, my contact also said the board bought the land this morning - and for a pretty penny. RED    [petulant] I may be in mourning for my gramma, but business is business. DONNA    Right.  We come to the death of the woodcutter.  Supposedly an innocent bystander, dragged in to the whole mess out of pure chivalry and civic duty. PAUL    Or was he--? RED    What are you implying?  You won't find anyone who saw us together until AFTER the fact. PORTIA    I ought to caution you to remain silent. RED    Why?  I have nothing to hide. PORTIA    Yes, I can tell by your dress. DONNA    Back to the subject.  PAUL    Funny you should mention dresses, there, mouthpiece.  Because the wolf - who also was probably never seen with you, Red, was howling to all his friends about a hot little number‑‑ DONNA    --red-hot-- PAUL    --who was keeping company with him, and how she was a little kinky. RED    Shut up! PAUL    She liked him to dress up-- RED    Tell him I'll sue! PAUL    In an old lady's nightgown. RED    [collapses into tears] DONNA    It started out as part of the plot, didn't it?  Just a way to get him into the nightie before he tucked himself up and waited for you?  PAUL    But you realized it really got your ball rolling.  DONNA    Otherwise, why would we have found this-- SOUND    NIGHTGOWN PULLED OUT OF BAG DONNA    In the woodcutter's bedroom? CAP, RED, POR    [GASP!!] RED    I forgot about that... PAUL    Not hard, since just as you didn't actually kill the wolf, you didn't actually kill the woodcutter either. DONNA    [completely surprised]  She didn't? PAUL    [pleased with himself]  Nope.  Captain, I think you already have that killer in custody. CAPTAIN    [baffled]  I do? DONNA    Come on!  Spill! PAUL    That prince who attacked us on the street, beautiful.  While you were -- CAPTAIN     Causing a disturbance. DONNA    Defending myself. PAUL    Turning into a whirlwind, I happened to notice his sword had a tiny smear of dried blood on it.  It didn't strike me at the time, except that he was pretty careless with his weapon. DONNA    And the woodcutter--? PAUL    When I saw the stab wound in his back, I thought it looked strange - awkward.  Sword's aren't made for that, but they'll do.  I think you'll find, Captain when you do an autopsy on the poor fellow, that it's the same caliber. CAPTAIN    Swords don't have calibers. DONNA    So it's an Ex-caliber? PAUL    [growls]  Size, shape, whatever.  Don't nitpick, this is the big payoff! DONNA    So she vamped him into killing the wolf-- PAUL    Not too hard, a poor but honest woodcutter, and a tamale like that-- DONNA    He must have thought he died and went to heaven. PAUL    And he did, just the other way round. CAPTAIN    So this prince--? DONNA    She must have heard we were onto her. PAUL    And she gave him a sob story and sent him round to take me out. DONNA    Possibly hoping I'd get caught in the crossfire-- um cross sword, um... PAUL    Fray? DONNA    Fray.  Yes. PORTIA    But you still have no proof of any of this.  CAPTAIN    [chuckles] That's where you're wrong, milady. PAUL    Oh? CAPTAIN    My officer just now?  Well, I had some of my boys dig around out back, and guess what they found? RED    Oh No! PORTIA    My client is admitting nothing. CAPTAIN    They found Gramma.  Dead.  Buried under the woodshed.  And I think we're going to find she wasn't killed by wolf, woodcutter or demented prince.  Eh, Red? RED    All right!  I did it!  She was a tiresome senile old biddy who stockpiled newspapers and put food out for the bluebird of happiness!  She had no reason to live, let alone to keep me from my dreams! DONNA    Which are? RED    [unconvincing] Oh, you know - fame fortune, marry a prince. PAUL    Really? RED    [admitting] Ok, so my only dream is to kill her and get a bunch of money, is that so wrong? VOICEOVER MUSIC STARTS DONNA    A nice end to another tough case.  Mrs. Wolf got her insurance money, and the cubs can go to college-- PAUL    Red got her comeuppance, and the prince went into therapy-- DONNA    And the money from the sale of gramma's land went to a distant relation living in a pumpkin shell. PAUL    [grumbling] Patticakes. DONNA    And we-- PAUL    --we got our fee-- DONNA    --and the warm feeling-- PAUL    --of helping someone in need. DONNA    Stop!  Darn it Paul.  I'm tired of this. PAUL    Of what? DONNA    All of this.  Fighting over voiceovers, everything. PAUL    You-- you mean? DONNA    Yes. PAUL    Well, I can't say I wasn't expecting it. DONNA    I've just been holding out to be nice. PAUL    [wilting] Of course. DONNA    So, as of tomorrow-- PAUL    [growly sigh, very small] Yes? DONNA    I want my own damn voiceover music! PAUL    [immensely cheered] Oh! CLOSING OLIVIA    Now that you know how to find us, you'll have to come back.  Maybe next week?  Don't be a stranger - we have enough of those already...

What You Should Know About Walk and Talk Therapy and Other Non-Traditional Counseling Settings Curt and Katie chat about non-traditional therapy settings like outdoor walk and talk therapy as well as home-based counseling. In the first of a two-part, continuing education podcourse series, we look at the basics, including why therapists should consider these settings (and may not), clinical and cultural considerations, and best practices. In this continuing education podcast episode, we look at non-traditional therapy settings For our third CE-worthy podcourse, we're looking at the basics of bringing therapy into non-traditional settings, including walk and talk therapy and home visits. We cover a lot of topics in this episode: What are non-traditional therapy settings? The focus of this episode is walk and talk and home-based therapy Client's locations like home, school, or work; community-based settings Anything beyond the typical therapy office or telehealth settings are worthy of consideration Creativity and collaboration in creating the space How different the therapy can be when opening up more settings as possibilities Why should therapists consider these non-traditional therapy settings? Logistical considerations that can lead to these settings being the ideal choice (or only choice) Clinical indications that walk and talk or home-based therapy is a better choice The impact on changing settings on the therapeutic relationship and the therapeutic work Specific modalities that are best served by client-centered spaces Assessment, treatment teaming How access, attendance, and attrition are impacted The therapeutic impact of the settings and movement What are the hesitations therapists have in considering alternative settings for therapy? The challenges in creating systems and managing the logistics Lack of alignment with the medical model Lack of training and guidance Legal and Ethical considerations (that will be talked about in next week's episode) What are the clinical and cultural considerations when doing therapy outside or in someone's home? Navigating the shifting relationship and boundaries Cultural differences between therapist and client, and assumptions made about the relationship The importance of leading the conversation about these relationships Hospitality and others who may be present at a client's home The unusual space, the level of confidentiality, and emotional containment and depth of conversation Treatment planning based on where you meet and how the client interacts with the space The importance of the clinician holding the therapeutic space and attention Creating the space and the contract for how therapy will happen Cultural norms for the activities and for the client and family – more complexity to discuss Clinical How-To for Non-traditional Settings Assessment considerations Client and clinician characteristics Alignment with treatment goals and presenting concerns Presenting issues can vary and assessment can be important Initial assessment appointments and making the decision early in treatment Treatment Formulation related to active versus passive interaction with the space The importance of true informed consent and the dynamic nature of process contracting Introducing predictability Risk assessment Knowing your scope and what types of professionals you might consider consulting Our Generous Sponsors for this episode of the Modern Therapist's Survival Guide: Dr. Tequilla Hill The practice of psychotherapy is unique, creative, and multifaceted. However, combining a more demanding schedule and handling our own pandemic related stresses can give rise to experiencing compassion, fatigue, and the dreaded burnout. Unfortunately, many therapists struggle silently with prioritizing their own wellness across their professional journey. If you are tired of going in and out of the burnout cycle and you desire to optimize your wellness, Dr. Tequilla Hill a mindful entrepreneur, yoga, and somatic meditation teacher has curated How to Stay Well While You Work Therapist Wellness Guide to support providers that are struggling to manage your own self care.  Subscribe to Dr. Hill's Stay Well While You Work! Therapist Wellness Guide and you can find many of the inspiring offerings from Dr. Hill's 17 years as a practice leader, supervisor, mentor, human systems consultant and wellness enthusiast. Support The Modern Therapist's Survival Guide on Patreon! 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Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist's Survival Guide Hey modern therapists, we're so excited to offer the opportunity for 1 unit of continuing education for this podcast episode – Therapy Reimagined is bringing you the Modern Therapist Learning Community!  Once you've listened to this episode, to get CE credit you just need to go to moderntherapistcommunity.com/podcourse, register for your free profile, purchase this course, pass the post-test, and complete the evaluation! Once that's all completed - you'll get a CE certificate in your profile or you can download it for your records. For our current list of CE approvals, check out moderntherapistcommunity.com. You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: Walk &Talk and Other Non-Traditional Therapy Settings Continuing Education Approvals: When we are airing this podcast episode, we have the following CE approval. Please check back as we add other approval bodies: Continuing Education Information CAMFT CEPA: Therapy Reimagined is approved by the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists to sponsor continuing education for LMFTs, LPCCs, LCSWs, and LEPs (CAMFT CEPA provider #132270). Therapy Reimagined maintains responsibility for this program and its content. Courses meet the qualifications for the listed hours of continuing education credit for LMFTs, LCSWs, LPCCs, and/or LEPs as required by the California Board of Behavioral Sciences. We are working on additional provider approvals, but solely are able to provide CAMFT CEs at this time. Please check with your licensing body to ensure that they will accept this as an equivalent learning credit. Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode: We've pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance! Cooley, S.J., Jones, C.R., Kurtz, A., & Robertson, N. (2020). ‘Into the Wild': A meta-synthesis of talking therapy in natural outdoor spaces. Clinical Psychology Review, 77, 101841. ISSN 0272-7358, https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cpr.2020.101841. Donachy, G.S. (2020). Psychotherapy outside the consulting room: ending therapy during the global pandemic, Journal of Child Psychotherapy, 46:3, 373-379, DOI: 10.1080/0075417X.2021.1903065 For the full references list, please see the course on our learning platform.   Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast: Dual Relationships: Pros and Cons Post Pandemic Practice What Clients Want Shared Traumatic Experiences The Balance Between Boundaries and Humanity (an interview with Dr. Jamie Marich)   Who we are: Curt Widhalm, LMFT Curt Widhalm is in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a member of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists ethics committee, an Adjunct Professor at Pepperdine University, lecturer in Counseling Laws and Ethics at California State University Northridge, a former Law & Ethics Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, and former CFO of CAMFT. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com Katie Vernoy, LMFT Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, with a Master's degree in Clinical Psychology from California State University, Fullerton and a Bachelor's Degree in Psychology and Theater from Occidental College in Los Angeles, California. Katie has always loved leadership and began stepping into management positions soon after gaining her license in 2005. Katie's experience spans many leadership and management roles in the mental health field: program coordinator, director, clinical supervisor, hiring manager, recruiter, and former President of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists. Now in business for herself, Katie provides therapy, consultation, or business strategy to support leaders, visionaries, and helping professionals in pursuing their mission to help others. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com A Quick Note: Our opinions are our own. 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Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement: www.mtsgpodcast.com www.therapyreimagined.com www.moderntherapistcommunity.com Patreon Profile Buy Me A Coffee Profile https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/ https://twitter.com/therapymovement https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/ Consultation services with Curt Widhalm or Katie Vernoy: The Fifty-Minute Hour Connect with the Modern Therapist Community: Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group   Modern Therapist's Survival Guide Creative Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/   Transcript for this episode of the Modern Therapist's Survival Guide podcast (Autogenerated): Curt Widhalm  00:00 This episode of The Modern Therapist Survival Guide is brought to you by Dr. Tequilla Hill.   Katie Vernoy  00:05 The practice of psychotherapy is unique, creative and multifaceted. However, combining a more demanding schedule and handling our own pandemic related stresses can give rise to experiencing compassion, fatigue, and the dreaded burnout. Unfortunately, many therapists struggle silently with prioritizing their own wellness across their professional journey.   Curt Widhalm  00:26 Dr. Tequilla Hill a mindful entrepreneur, yoga and somatic meditation teacher has curated How to Stay Well While You Work! Therapist Wellness Guide to support providers that are struggling to manage your own self care. Stay tuned at the end of the episode to learn more.   Announcer  00:40 You're listening to The Modern Therapist Survival Guide where therapists live, breathe and practice as human beings. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, here are your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy.   Curt Widhalm  00:56 Hey, modern therapists, we're so excited to offer the opportunity for one unit of continuing education for this podcast episode. Once you've listened to this episode, to get CE credit, you just need to go to moderntherapistcommunity.com, register for your free profile, purchased this course pass the post test and complete the evaluation. Once that's all completed, you'll get a CE certificate in your profile, where you can download it for your records. For a current list of our CE approvals, check out moderntherapistcommunity.com   Katie Vernoy  01:28 Once again, hop over to moderntherapistcommunity.com. For one CE once you've listened.  Woo hoo!   Curt Widhalm  01:35 Welcome back modern therapists. This is The Modern Therapist Survival Guide. I'm Curt Widhalm with Katie Vernoy and this is one of our continuing education eligible episodes. Today we are doing a dive into therapy in non traditional settings.   Katie Vernoy  01:55 So when we were thinking about doing a continuing education podcast episode, one of the things that I was thinking about are the types of questions that I get a lot. And the topic for today is non traditional therapy settings. This is something I've done for most of my career, I worked in milieu settings. I've done walk and talk therapy. I've done playing at a playground and a school therapy, I've done home visits. And so I wanted to make sure in this first episode that we have the foundational knowledge of what it is. So I get a lot of basic questions about what do you do? How do you do it? What are the logistics? And then I also think there are folks who just aren't going to consider it because they don't know why to do it, and what benefit it has. And so for folks who are listening, we have two episodes this week is a basic 101, what are these non traditional settings? How do you do them? What are some best practices? Beginning level course. And then next week, Curt and I are going to really dig into the ethics and nuance. But we wanted to make sure you had the basics before we dug into it further. For folks who've been doing it and aren't sure they're doing it right. This is a great reminder of like, these are the things to consider. And these are some of the logistics that might go into place and making this a clinically appropriate service for your clients. Even before the pandemic hit many different types of therapeutic programs are happening outside of the office. I know we've all heard about kind of like the adventure camps and different things for folks. You know, oftentimes kids, troubled teens, there was a lot of different things going on. I mean, I in researching this, I found a lot of folks doing walk and talk therapy. Certainly when I was coming up in community mental health, we were doing home based therapy. But I think because of the pandemic, I think it gave a lot of us an idea of like, wait a second, if I don't want to keep my office and/or if I want to be outdoors and not inside with someone, what are my options for therapy if someone just can't handle the screen of telehealth? And so I think it's it's something where, to me, I've started doing this, I thought it was really exciting. And I wanted to share with everyone kind of I've get lots of questions about how do you do this stuff. And so I figured, why not do a deep dive on it.   Curt Widhalm  04:12 We're actually going to make this part one of a two part series here. This first episode is going to focus more on the hows and the whats of doing. Our second episode is going to dive into some of the legal and ethical considerations. You'll get a flavor of that in this episode. But this is really more of the hows of going about this. So Katie, first let's start with talking about like, what kind of therapy settings are we talking about here?   Katie Vernoy  04:46 I think the primary thing we're going to talk about in the episode will be home based and walk and talk but I want to reiterate that there is so much flexibility on where we can do therapy and so some of the types of settings that you might want to be considering and kind of extrapolating out to, could be home/school/work. So kind of the clients locations, outdoor therapy can be walk and talk, but it can also be like groups and and retreats and different things. I mean that that's probably a little bit beyond the scope of this. But I've gone to medical facilities, I've gone to social services buildings with folks, wellness centers, out in the community, when there's just not a great place to meet, you can meet at a restaurant or a library or a church or a YMCA. I've actually done therapy with folks in the car on the way somewhere. And when I was working in substance abuse treatment, this is something that's been around for a long time, too. There's kind of the milieu setting, but there's also like camping and other things. And so there's, there's a lot of times when therapy can be happening and a lot of places where therapy can be happening. But it has a lot of things to consider, especially within relationship and confidentiality. But we'll dig deeper into that.   Curt Widhalm  06:03 I'm hearing this just from the get go as not in the traditional office setting, basically anything else goes and it speaks to just that so much of what we're allowed to assume can happen is in the nature of a four walled sort of office someplace. And that's the reason to look at that even with many of our listeners, possibly having done non traditional therapy, during the course of the COVID 19 pandemic, that there might be some considerations in here or to be able to evaluate some of the effectiveness of how we're going about that. So this isn't just going out and doing what we've been doing in the office outside, though, it's not like, you know, I'm not doing EMDR and just waving my hand in front of somebody while they're walking.   Katie Vernoy  07:00 I think that would be tough. That would require a lot of coordination. I think it really varies. But I think, and we'll go into a lot of this more in depth, but I want to get a kind of a higher level overview. I think it always is important to start with kind of a collaborative assessment of appropriateness. And so it's a conversation you have with your client, you want to make sure that you're doing all of these things. We'll talk about that later. And then once you've decided, yep, this is for my client, or the client says, "Yep, this is for me," you meet wherever the designated place is that are, which could involve logistics and timing, it could be two people meeting in a single place. I mean, there's some stuff there that can be interesting. You could meet in a place and you could kind of passively engage with it, meaning I'm doing regular therapy, but it's outside or I'm doing regular therapy, but it's at the client's home, or you could engage with a space, you know, you're interacting with nature, you're interacting with the family or setting something up at their home. There's also a huge shift in the treatment relationship and so there's, and again, this is high level, we'll go into this in more detail. But there's more of an equality there, because you're experiencing something together, potentially even there's a shift in the power dynamic. If you're going into their home, you want, there's always going to be the planning for confidentiality, which if you've got your little office and your noise machine, like you're pretty clear that you're keeping confidentiality. And then there's also the environment, which could be very uncertain. I think that for some folks, they have a modality that they do. And so some people are just home based, or some just do walk and talk, I find I've not added homebase to my current practice. But I find having a flexibility there can be interesting, but then it could be that you're like, navigating with the client, are we meeting at the park today, are we going to be on video or we're going to be in my office. And so there can be some systems and different things in your business practice that you want to consider. It's an interesting type of therapy, because there's a lot of possibilities. But there's a lot of uncertainty that can come into play, because it's not an environment that you've carefully curated with all of your professional certifications and your comfy chair, or it's not that video setting that you've potentially done the same and then the client has created their own space too. So it's it's a different type of treatment.   Curt Widhalm  09:19 I've done some of this kind of work mostly back when I was pre licensed and newly licensed and part of it was the agency job that I had. But one of the things that you're talking about that brought back some memories is just the client approach to therapy can be a lot different when you're coming into their space than it is with them coming in. I noticed that my clients were a lot more cooperative when they started coming to my office. There was almost kind of like, alright, I'm buying into needing to be in the space. But some of those clinical factors that come up, some of what might be called defenses, would maybe show up when therapist is coming into their space. I'm guessing these are some of the things that we're going to be talking about as far as just kind of the hesitations that we have of approaching therapy in a different way. And also just kind of needing some interventions or conceptualization differences when we do approach therapy in this way.   Katie Vernoy  10:21 Of course, yeah.   Curt Widhalm  10:22 Before we get into that stuff, though, why might we be put into this situation in the first place? Why? What are some of the either client or world factors that might be reasons that we need to see clients outside of our traditional offices?   Katie Vernoy  10:39 Well, I think the reason that a lot of folks potentially are revisiting these thoughts are because the office doesn't work and in person is needed. And so for me, sometimes it's been lack of efficacy with telehealth or privacy, it could be just kind of needing to get your eyes on a client and not feeling comfortable in an in office setting. Maybe you don't even have an office anymore. A lot of people gave up their office and so having this possibility of either meeting them at their home or in a public space can be really helpful. I think the other thing, and this is something where you say like, why would we be in this situation, it actually can be a situation where a client is not comfortable with telehealth and not comfortable being in an enclosed space for an hour, because of COVID or because it's feels too constraining or the eye contact is too weird. And so like walk and talk can be actually a better option for them. With home based, sometimes there's this, you know, sometimes it can be mobility and transportation issues, it could be like, my client can't leave their house, I need to get my eyes on them, I'm going to go out there. But sometimes it can be a clinical issue, where being in the home makes sense, you get to see their full, you get a full assessment of their environment, how they interact with their environment. I know when I was working in community mental health work, there was this notion of like, if you're providing interventions, that requires two or three rooms, and they actually only have one, you know, like set up a homework station or whatever. Like, there's a lot that you don't know, especially if your clients aren't telling you when they come into your office, or even they don't show you on your on your screen, right. They're just in this little curated space, maybe with a a filter in the back. And so I think oftentimes it can be a client choice because of what the other options are, as well as a clinician choice. It also shakes things up. And so it can, it can decrease the stuckness that you're feeling or they're feeling in their treatment. There's a hesitance, and we'll go into hesitations a little bit more, but there's a hesitance to break out of kind of that expert cocoon, but it can decrease formality and distance and it can make things less curated and professional. So it it shifts the relationship and then for a lot of folks that can be very positive, and it may be more aligned with a theoretical orientation.   Curt Widhalm  13:04 I'm also imagining some of the client considerations that might come up, might end up being a more effective way of bringing some interventions to life and thinking of things like exposure and response prevention, OCD, or even potentially working with clients with eating disorders, who might need more clinical support in environments where it's either making food or generalizing some of the food related issues into eating out and other examples like that.   Katie Vernoy  13:38 Absolutely, I think it's something where there are different benefits, obviously, to the different math methods. But sometimes it is an obvious clinical choice, if you open up your mind to I could be with my client in another space, I can be with them at their home, I can be with them in a public space. I mean, like talk about specific phobias of bugs, I mean, like, you can actually be with them in these spaces, you know, there were clients with social phobia, that you go to the home and you slowly move them back to the office or slowly get them to the office and and help them with those things. So I think it's really something where being very, very, very thoughtful can be helpful. But I did do a little bit of research, and I'll share some of that with you for the two specific environments that we're talking about. Because I think it's helpful to recognize some, some efficacy that goes beyond like, oh, well, we could do ERP together in the right setting. Right? So with the home environment, like I said, you can do a better assessment of them in their environment, but you can also recruit community members to support the client and treatment if it's appropriate. So you can have family, you can have the school or a treatment team, you can you can pull folks in who are more likely to attend in that space than making the trek to your office, because they might just be there. Or it might be more of a comfortable setting. It increases access and attendance. It also can decrease attrition. So there were there were a study done with children and and vets where the efficacy of telehealth and in home in person were pretty similar. But people who had in home therapy were more likely to complete the treatment they were they stayed in it longer. And so there was a higher level of efficacy there. For homebound clients that are homebound for medical reasons, you can actually get treatment to them. And then you can also when you use this for crisis management, and you're coming to someone's home, you can do I think, obviously, better safety planning, and all of those things, but it actually decreased hospitalizations. On the walk and talk side that was really interesting. There, I was looking at a lot of different articles. And one of my favorite articles was Coaching Whilst Walking In Nature or something. And there was a lot of these use of the word 'whilst' which really made me very excited.   Curt Widhalm  16:07 Very British. Oh, yeah.   Katie Vernoy  16:08 Very British. So when you walk and talk, whilst outdoors, the setting itself was seen to be very, very beneficial. Just being outdoors being in nature. And some studies showed this as the most beneficial element that people identified was just being outside, kind of being in nature. And so that, in and of itself has a clinical benefit, just going outside doing nothing else just going outside. And some people actually would like, walk out of their office and just sit outside like, that was their outdoor therapy. And that showed benefit. If you also do kind of the physical activity, there's going to be more blood to the brain, there's better processing, and even though walking side by side, I'm sure as an EMDR person, you understand the bilateral movement here? But they were saying that experiential processing is also enhanced while doing that activity: increased creativity, learning and memory, I mean, all these things are amazing, right? You might have new insights, or even like the physical release and being more embodied, because you're actually moving while you're talking and doing those things. I think the other thing is, I don't walk the whole time. But during the time that you're walking, you don't have eye contact, you're still connected. And there's there's some downsides to that. But there's also this, it's less intense. And there's a different energy in that, that I think some clients find more beneficial. I think that the the biggest piece that is really for both of these, but especially in walk and talk is that you... you're really... there's a different way you're relating to each other. When we're sitting together and either we see on the screen just a little bit of space, or we just kind of walk into a room and sit down. There's there's information we don't get. And so when you walk together, there's just a whole different level of relational embodiment, that happens in the relationship. And I think for some clients, the the lack of formality, especially in the outdoor setting can be very helpful. So those are the reasons why to do it. But there are some hesitations. But I'm curious, before I jump into my list, what hesitations do you have, in thinking about doing these types of therapies, or these types of settings.   Curt Widhalm  18:26 I can come up with a number of them, but I know that we're going to address a lot of them in the law and ethics part two part of this conversation. But some of the concerns that are going to come up is just like, how do you manage, like getting all of this stuff set up? That whether it's client or therapist familiarity to just kind of the way things always have been. But clinically, I'm also having some concerns of like, if it just ends up becoming being in an environment that's too distracting, and clients don't end up retaining the information that actually gets talked about because they're more focused on walking.   Katie Vernoy  19:11 And that's fair. And I think that's part of the assessment. I think, the the logistical pieces, we'll talk about that next time. But I think there are a lot of logistics that may seem daunting, that actually aren't that daunting, especially if you've got good systems to start out with. But a lot of folks are really hesitant because it's not aligned with the medical model. And so this really pulls away from that, you know? If I'm telling the psychiatrist or medical doctor, "Yeah, I'm meeting my client in the park," depending on their perspective, they may lose respect for me and the work that I'm doing, right? There's not a lot of research, I think that's changing but the lack of training and guidance can be pretty daunting for folks because it's like, well, how do I get myself to a place that I'm doing this right? And of course, you know, confidentiality, dual relationships, informed consent... to be continued in the next episode. But I think that there's a lot of hesitations around it. But I think if you address them clinically, you know, some of the stuff you're talking about, I think it can be pretty effective. It's not effective for everyone. And I think there's different settings that are better for different folks. But I think that's the reason to make sure that you truly understand what you're doing so that you can get a handle on that.   Curt Widhalm  20:28 And, you know, if we can segue here for a quick moment is that, well, a lot of what we get taught ends up being in that traditional therapeutic talk space. I don't think any of us are actually inventing, doing walk and talk therapy, this has been around in some environment or another that while it might not be the most, you know, clinical trials, you know, replicated sort of things, there's plenty of qualitative studies that indicate what makes these things successful.   Katie Vernoy  21:00 Yeah, and I'll put links to some of the stuff that I found in the show notes. I think there's more and more lately, especially with the pandemic, especially for walk and talk because of people transitioning outdoors, and there's all kinds of positive kind of tales of how effective this is. And yet, I think that there are some clinical and cultural considerations to keep in mind, because I think as I was reading, I was getting super excited, I'm like, "Okay, I'm gonna do more of this, this is gonna be amazing!" And then I, you know, then you calm down and think about, you know, but it's not really right for every client. And there are things to think about.   Curt Widhalm  21:40 So what might be some of those considerations of who would be a good candidate for it? Or who might not be a good candidate for it?   Katie Vernoy  21:51 Well, there's, there's a few different times I'll address that because I think that's a really good question. I think the first one is, you want to make sure you have a client that can navigate the shift in the relationship, I think there are clients who may become, I don't know if confused is the right word, but they might, they might have a challenge in really being able to navigate the shift to a more informal relationship. There's a lot of boundaries that could be crossed. I think about when you're outside, for example, like you're going to be wearing different clothes, most likely, so that are appropriate to get dirty in or appropriate to sweat in or walk, like wearing tennis shoes. So even in kind of how you're showing up, that would be very interesting. I mean, there's, there's the whole hospitality, if you're going to a client's home, and they become the host to you, or their parents do, or, or they don't, and you're kind of stuck trying to navigate a home environment that isn't yours. And so with those, all of those boundaries, I think the client has to be able to hang with that. And the clinician does, too. I think I was reading somewhere that clinicians or a clinician, it was one of those qualitative studies was talking about how they felt this impulse to become a friend of the person they were hanging out with. And so it's something where as a clinician, and we'll definitely go into this in the law and ethics portion of this, but those strong boundaries, and that professional persona that can kind of be in every setting. And I think that's the thing that maybe this is important, too, for a little bit of a side note.. But what I learned a lot of in my community mental health was really strong professional boundaries and professional presence in every setting, while still being personal, still showing up as myself, you know, whether I was camping, or whether I was walking with someone or playing basketball out on the court outside and at their school, like, I would show up as a professional while still being me and personal. And I think there may be another podcast episode on just how to do that. I think we actually did talk about some of that at some point. So I'll look through and we can put some of those other episodes in the show notes. But the boundaries are so dynamic and fluid, that it becomes very different to manage than just coming into your office and sitting down or popping onto a screen. I think another thing that it was very stark for me in public mental health, but maybe stark for others in different settings, is that there's there's potentially very strong cultural differences between you and the person that you're showing up at their house or you're walking in public. And so I think being able to navigate what is it going to look like if the two of us are walking around outside? Or what is it going to look like if I show up to your house every week? Like what are what are the assumptions going to be made? What impact is that going to have on you? And we'll talk about the confidentiality elements of that on the next episode, but the clinical and interpersonal or kind of therapeutic relationship elements of that, it becomes more obvious the cultural differences, potentially even socio economic differences that show up when you're experiencing things together.   Curt Widhalm  25:22 Tell me more about that because I didn't work in community mental health and B: when I was doing this kind of work, it was more local to neighborhoods that I was already in. So maybe some of those cultural differences weren't quite as apparent in the way that this showed up.   Katie Vernoy  25:40 Well, I think about clients who are racially or ethnically different from me, or very different ages, so if I have an older person walking with me, who is ethnically different from me, are there assumptions that are being made? If I'm a, you know, a white person in formal attire, in a nice car coming into a neighborhood that typically is, you know, below the poverty line? And there's a lot going on, am I... do they assume that I'm a social worker, or caseworker of some sort? You know, more like, are they getting in trouble? You know, I think there's can be assumptions made and and I've even thought about with certain clients, like, I hope that there is an acceptance and an inclusion and everybody can be seen together and all those things, but people are more and less likely to be seen together. And there was a situation where a client of mine, a black woman, and I were walking, and someone came up to us and talked about how beautiful it was that the two people together, friends, you know, and the assumption, I'm glad the assumption was not that I was her social worker or her therapist. But it was interesting, because it certainly brought the conversation of race into that session, as we moved along, away from that person to talk about, like, what does it mean that there are the two of us here? And how do we feel about what he said, and, and so it definitely is something where any differences really show up. And it becomes, unless you try to avoid it, it becomes clinical fodder, which I think can be very helpful.   Curt Widhalm  27:25 I guess that's something that I didn't really experience in my work, because for a lot of the community outings that I was doing, it didn't seem like it was necessarily a therapist, it was maybe more observable as being a, I don't know, a babysitter or something like that, because of working with kids, or, you know, just being somebody who's out, you know, on a basketball court or a playground with somebody. Yeah, I'm sure that these days, if I was to do the same thing, it might look more like a dad or... But what I am hearing from you is lead some of the conversation or at least open that up to make it clinically relevant to help deepen what the therapeutic goals might be.   Katie Vernoy  28:14 Well, I think, sure, deepen the therapeutic goals, but I think it truly is, is really address the relationship. Because to me, if you don't, a client may feel uncomfortable saying, like, I don't want to be seen in public with you, or I don't want you coming to my house. And so I think having that, that openness and directness, and this is what like, this is what it'll look like and this is how our relationship may change. The client can opt into that. I know, there's other things besides the relationship, but let me see if there's any other points that I want to make on that. I think the other clinical consideration around the relationship, I think, is truly how you navigate. I mean, maybe it's the hospitality. But it's, but it's, it's whether it's hospitality, and like they want to offer you food and drink or, you know, they want to, to invite someone else and introduce you to someone or those kinds of things, or if there's a potential for kind of an advocacy and a dual role, where you're all of a sudden, you know, kind of standing up for them...in a situation, I guess, this goes into more like family therapy, but like with a with a family member that pops in or whatever or or how you navigate if someone comes up. So I mean, I think there's the relationship becomes more fluid and you're more experiencing things together on an even level. And you have to make sure that your client can roll with that. Because if they can't, if they're a little bit more rigid, or if they'll be confused by where the boundaries actually lie, it could be something that you have to kind of manage clinically ahead of time before you even consider these types of settings.   Curt Widhalm  29:57 This also seems to be another place where some of those cultural differences would come in, because, you know, in many cultures, just kind of that host role is going to end up really being something that, well, we might have kind of our traditional therapists kind of, you know, needing to evaluate every little thing. That might mean that we need to be more accepting or need to be more open to some of the different things that are unexpected. It's like being able to kind of roll with the punches here a little bit.   Katie Vernoy  30:35 Oh, absolutely. I mean, I think if therapists can't roll with the punches, they probably shouldn't consider these types of therapies. Because if you're in someone's home, unless it's a gigantic home with a specific space dedicated for your therapy treatment, you know, people might barge in, there might be phones ringing, there might be pets, I mean, there's, there's a lot of stuff that could be happening. But in an outdoor space, unless it's a private space that only you own, you're gonna be interacting with other folks. And there's, there's a lot of things that can come up. I mean, that segues nicely into the next kind of consideration that I put down here, which was kind of the unusual space. I mean, to me, this is a big one, you know, I think navigating the relationship, I think you and I both are fairly informal, I think a lot of our 'modern therapists' are more authentic with their clients. So this is not, that's not a big stretch. But navigating this space. My goodness. That is a tough one, I think, sure, there's confidentiality issues. And we'll talk about those in depth as far as how you cover the base there. But the depth of conversation is actually a consideration. If it's a very private outdoor space, maybe someone can really kind of maneuver into deeper conversations. But in some ways, it may be more of a practical conversation, it may be more of a coping skills conversation, at times, it could be a little bit more cerebral, and, and my style is a bit more cerebral, so it works for me. But in an article I was reading, and it was a case study, it was talking about how when he moved his client into an outdoor space, she was actually more emotionally contained and able to engage with a treatment more versus kind of this uncontained emotion of either being in his office or being on the phone in her own home. And so the, the moderating effect of the environment is one that is really important to consider, because, especially if you're going to use more than one environment, because you can have a more contained conversation out in public, you might have someone completely boundaryless in their own home, because it's my own home, and they're laying around and doing what they do normally in their own home. And then in your office, it's your setting. And so they may show up and be like you said, a little bit more compliant, a little more bought in. And so to me being able to figure out how is this client going to respond to this setting. And that may be something you don't know until you actually go there. And then how it's going to impact the types of conversation, the types of emotional reactions, regulation, you know, all of those different things like the level of emotional containment, I think, is really important to consider.   Curt Widhalm  33:32 And I think once again, you're gonna see where diagnostics probably are a consideration as far as the kinds of material that you end up talking about out there. That, you know, well, being more contained with something like anxiety and being able to operate out in the environment in a way that's, you know, self edited in case somebody sees what's happening. That's quite a bit different than working on deep childhood trauma.   Katie Vernoy  34:03 Of course. And I think it's something where, as part of the treatment planning, for some of my clients, I've talked about going back and forth to the office or telehealth based on what we're working on. And I think that there are also some folks who are actually more likely to dig deeper outside, because we're walking and it's just two people walking, you know, we're keep moving, and they're more comfortable, and there's more of a free flow. And so it can almost even be client by client, sometimes. The most important thing about being outside or being in another space that's not your own clinical curated space, is that you have to be able to hold the clinical space while facing the uncertainty of the experience. Like that is your job.   Curt Widhalm  34:54 Tell me more about what kind of risks that that brings up?   Katie Vernoy  34:59 Well, it is something where it's kind of like you becoming your own transitional object. And I just made that up. So, so bear with me if it sounds ridiculous, but when your client is with you and you're outdoors, the space that you're holding is really more emotional, because you're walking. So it's, it could be the distance that you're apart from each other, it could be, I actually walked slower with some clients, so that they don't speed through and are out of breath and distracted by the walking. And so I moderate the pace a little bit. In a home setting, it could be identifying with the client, how you're going to hold that space together. But you have to remain present, while walking, while interacting with pets if they're not locked up, while paying attention to birds flying by or planes flying by. But like you have to stay present and keep the setting in place. Because if you're distracted, or you're too worried about walking, or whatever, you're not holding the clinical space.   Curt Widhalm  36:06 How could you see someone not doing this well, like and what the potential impacts that that might have on therapy going forward?   Katie Vernoy  36:16 I think if people are really distracted, and in truth, when I first started walk and talk therapy, we were wearing masks and walking. And so it can be hard to hear. Being in a home and being in a setting where there's constantly noise or someone coming in and there's constant distractions, it's equivalent to having therapy on Zoom, with a really bad internet connection... I know a lot of people can can relate to that. But it's this thing where you have to keep coming back and keep coming back. Which is weird, because when you're in a space together, there's more verbal fluency, you're not waiting for the connection to pick up. And there's also a lot of physical interaction that you're having, as far as you can see their nonverbals. And so if you're really really distracted and worried about how you're stepping or those kinds of things, the the ability to miss the really important things is very high. Or to be too impacted by the environment. So you know, there's some loud noise that happens, you both interact with it. And if it's not, like, hey, they were their anxiety shot up, and blah, blah, and it's clinical, but like being completely distracted, kids are playing at the park, it triggers them, and you keep watching the kids and you're not really actually processing what the trigger is, you're just enjoying the kids, you know, playing. You know, I think it's something that could be harmful if you're not paying attention to what's actually in the environment, how we're interacting with it. And what I need to bring up.   Curt Widhalm  37:53 In doing this, it's having a plan, it's kind of being able to plan ahead, it's not just kind of assuming that what's happening in the office is going to magically happen, just while you're in motion out in the neighborhood. It's probably for the therapist having you know, an experience, you know, of what your walking path might be, and knowing kind of where, okay, this is the hot spot where all of the walking moms in the neighborhood get together and chit chat. And that might be a time where we kind of need to veer away for a little bit or, you know, this is where, you know, anything else happens along the way, the one really obnoxious, barking dog,you know.   Katie Vernoy  38:38 And I think the point that you just made is a really important one. If you are the person that are setting the environment, so like I picked a park by my office, you want to walk the route, you want to make sure you're aware of the things and it could be different at different times. And sometimes you can't predict all the variables you can't do... you can't account for everything that's going to happen. You know, sometimes there's going to be a baseball game in the middle of the day, and you had no idea. And so you're there's a lot more people than normal. But, but in environments that you don't know, like a client's home, when you go the first time, the client is really setting the pace, you know, and that's part of informed consent that we can talk about, but like, what is it going to look like? Do we have a space? Am I going to get to your home and we're going to take off and go somewhere else? You know, like what does it look like? But if you can do whatever you can to create a sense of predictability, and that's one of the steps we'll talk about later, I think the more you know about the environment, the more you know about the potential risks and uncertainties, the better you're going to be able to navigate and hold that space for the client.   Curt Widhalm  39:46 Is there cultural considerations to consider out in what we're calling the unusual space here?   Katie Vernoy  39:53 The first thing is identifying the cultural norms within a client's home for example, or how they interact in public. I think there's having those conversations around how you want to show up, and it could be even, and without requiring too much education from the client, but requiring it, you know, asking, is there anything I need to be aware of in coming to your home? You know, are there safety concerns? That's, you know, that's a separate topic. But are there other things that would be helpful for you and your family if I either did or didn't do. One of the articles I read talked about taking off your shoes in a Japanese home or, or other types of things that you may want to consider, even attire, what is going to be appropriate for the activity, but what's also going to be respectful to the family? Like if you show up in, like, a full sweat suit, is that going to be seen as appropriate to the family? Because they know you're going to go out in the backyard and play basketball with the client, or is it going to be seen as disrespectful and unprofessional? And so I think there's looking at how you navigate the relationship with the client, as well as any cultural factors specific to the family or the client, it really comes down to conversation. But I think it's also just finding your own way of showing up that feels like it can kind of go across those things. You know, I think always entering with curiosity and humility, I think can always be very helpful, asking for clarification, if needed. But I think, as I mentioned before, I think within the relationship or even within the space, you want to make sure that you're really paying attention to how you show up, and how you show up in relationship with the client.   Curt Widhalm  41:37 So I'm imagining that for these kinds of considerations, if you're seeing multiple clients in a row, and do you just like bring costume changes for in between sessions?   Katie Vernoy  41:50 Hopefully not, hopefully not. I know that, that people who do a lot of these things back to back, find their professional attire, that they appreciate whether it's, you know, a really nice comfy pair of jeans, and good looking tennis shoes or whatever. But I think it's something where it may be appropriate to to have some changes of attire. But I think that also lends to, you know, making sure that you are not forgetting, scheduling and all those other things. So I guess we're gonna talk about that in the next episode, but...but I think being able to show up on time, you know, with traffic or showing up, not out of breath, because you ran from the last walk and talk session, like I think all of those things, you know, there's a lot to consider.   Curt Widhalm  42:39 So, being appropriate to each of the particular clients and cultural considerations as you're going there. Let's dive into the clinical work now. Like, how are we doing this? You know, it's not just like, Alright, here's the CBT workbook out in watching the band, or it's not finger waving, like EMDR, while we, you know, walking backwards, like a college tour guides, like, what are some of the considerations that we're gonna do here?   Katie Vernoy  43:12 Okay, so some of this is kind of the clinical how to, I got a great starting point from Cooley et al, 2020, 'Into the Wild': A meta-synthesis of talking therapy in natural outdoor spaces. I think it provides good information on the uncertainties of the settings. And I think it really a lot of it applies to home settings as well, obviously, some of this is, you know, I've got other stuff from other articles and from my own experience, but that's really the the foundational article that kind of gave me the best practices as they were. So you want to start with the assessment and formulation. We've talked about this a little bit. But I think truly, and Curt and I are talking about putting together a full assessment kind of considerations worksheet for you, so we'll have that with the course, when we put this out there. But I think that the first thing that you really want to look at is, is the client suitable. And so we talked about some of the flexibility and the ability to manage the relationship, but more specifically, are they physically suitable for it? Which we'll talk about accessibility issues in our next episode. Are they clinically suitable, and are there potential benefits for you to actually do this treatment with them? And so really kind of everything we talked about, that is what you want. That's the first kind of point of the assessment. You also want to make sure it aligns with treatment goals. And obviously, there's a very broad array of treatment goals that could be helped or hindered by a non traditional therapy treatment, but like, specifically, if we're looking at a client who has a lot of conflict with family, doing family therapy at the home, getting as many family members as possible could be very aligned with treatment goals. Whereas a client that's wanting to learn individuation, going and meeting them in their home, you might be swimming upstream if the family is very kind of everybody's present, and you're trying to do some of that work. You also want to make sure you want to do a self assessment about your own characteristics. If you're going to be outside, you want to have an affinity for nature, if you're freaking out, every time you see a bog, that's not a good match for you. You want to make sure that you have the flexibility to be able to navigate the different environments and you have to have some confidence about it. If you're really uncertain, either going into a client's home or going outdoors, you're gonna have a hard go of it. Client characteristics for outdoor therapy, you definitely want to have them to have an attraction to natural spaces, unless you're working on some sort of a specific phobia. You don't want them freaked out in the environment. And even then, you don't want them freaked out. Like it could be just like a kind of a ladder there.   Curt Widhalm  45:59 Sure. I think this might be an important thing. Let's dive into what is the alignment with treatment goals? What do you mean by that?   Katie Vernoy  46:08 We'll talk about kind of the client characteristics that might make this a better setting. And if it's just client characteristics, it would not be necessarily most important to align it with treatment goals. But if it does align with treatment goals, it can be really, really rich and positive. And so when we look at aligning whatever the mechanism is, with treatment goals, I think it needs to be a match and needs to be a clinical match. And there has to be a rationale. Like if you're just going outside, because it sounds like fun and the client doesn't really care one way or the other and it then it negatively impacts the the treatment. Obviously bad. But if you've got a client who is trying to feel more embodied, they're just ahead walking around, then they're just all thoughts, no anything else, I think being able to be more physically active during a session and allow some more of that embodiment would be aligned with the goals, for example. I think for the home setting, you know, some of the alignment could be around helping them set up their own systems, and whether it's managing executive functioning skills, or whether it's interacting with the people around them, or whatever it is, I mean, certainly you've talked about, like ERP and eating disorders, you know, kind of the big ones that make the most sense. But even making sure that what we're doing is in support of the goals and is not going to hinder the goals. Sometimes if that's the only place you can meet like, it's only home visits, there's nothing you can do, and I think a lot of mental health, that's kind of what it is.   Curt Widhalm  47:48 Sure, sure.   Katie Vernoy  47:49 You may be you may be swimming upstream, like I said earlier, but I think it's, it's something where if you can use the environment, as part of a, you know, and where you're meeting and how you're meeting in support, in direct support of the treatment goals, I think it can be very, very helpful.   Curt Widhalm  48:06 Okay, then, are there some clients characteristics that also are part of this conversation that may impact how well they're going to respond in a non traditional environment?   Katie Vernoy  48:20 Yes, I think the clients who showed the biggest affinity for outdoor therapy already had an attraction in their natural spaces, or felt a healing, previous healing experience outside, or those types of things, you want to make sure that you're assessing if they've had a trauma outside, or there might be triggers out there. I mean, that doesn't necessarily preclude using an outdoor space, but you want to make sure that you're thoughtful about it. If you have a client who is comfortable with having you into their home, and comfortable being at home, that helps to a certain extent, obviously, the reverse could be clinical fodder, and, and part of a treatment plan. And I think the other thing that I really found with my own clients is if there's a discomfort with conventional therapy, they're very excited about these other options. Because 'I don't want to sit still, for an hour, looking you in the eyes, like that sounds like torture, I'm never going to do that.' And so for me, some of the clients just it was like, they become the big team themselves in doing that. And that was really exciting to see. Similarly, I think as clinicians, we need to if we're going to be outside, we should have an affinity for nature and not be freaked out by every bug that comes by or be very flexible in how we interact with nature. And so we need to know that about ourselves. And so that assessment, I guess, is not one that's necessarily in each individual assessment, but one that we want to make sure that we're confident professionally that we can, can enter the space.   Curt Widhalm  49:54 Well, okay, so now you're talking about the client and the clinician, go into one of my favorites things... There's also the relationship here. There's always spaces for shifts in relationships, if it's adding or subtracting somebody from the therapy room, if it's something where being in a different space, you know, a lot of us went through this in the pandemic of 'saw people in person now we're seeing you online,' some people made that shift to doing walking talk at the time. What kinds of things have you seen or come across that talks about how that might shift that therapeutic alliance?   Katie Vernoy  50:33 Well, we talked about this a bit before, but I think in the assessment, you're going to want to make sure that the client can navigate into a less formal relationship. And knowing more about you, I mean, I wear a hat, I wear a baseball cap outside, I certainly would not do that on the screen. And I'm not going to do that in my office. And so the lack of formality, the humaneness that you're bringing as a clinician, and just navigating on the boundaries, I think I can't emphasize enough how much that is important for you to assess for, can the client do this? One of the interesting things that happened is one of the clients that I, actually more than one of the clients, that I met outside, I had never met in person before. And so I found myself telling them like I'm tall. You know, this is, you know, it's hard to tell when you're when you're online, I'm tall, you know, here's my phone number in case you can't figure out which one's me, you know. So I think that there's also that kind of, you know, kind of being together physically, that does shift that dynamic. You know, how I walk, I am a tall person, I have a long stride. So I try to mirror that and mirror the pace of my client. And like I said earlier, sometimes I try to slow them down, because they're like going for a speed walk. And it's like, no, no, no, especially when we were wearing masks like No, no slow down, you need to be able to speak. It's something where the relationship can, I think really be very positively impacted. But it just has to be very conscious. I know, I've said that a number of times, but I think it just needs to be really conscious. So finishing the assessment, I'll just kind of run through this really quickly, I think you want to, to kind of consider the presenting issues, I don't know that there's any particular that are contra indicated, I think that's a case by case basis because the environments are so different. You might go to a home and end up being outside, you might be outside and then end up having to like shelter under a thing because of the rain like so like anxiety, folks that need ERP, depression, social phobia, isolation, a crisis, you know, I think a lot of those things, there's not I'm gonna say rule of thumb, I think there's going to be definitely some some need to to really assess your clients specifically, and how they're going to do in this setting and whether or not it might stir up or exacerbate any of the presenting issues that they bring.   Curt Widhalm  53:10 Is that something that you would recommend a more evaluative process for a new client before doing this? And I think some of us who've worked with clients for a while we can kind of just look at somebody with one eye and be like, Yeah, you're okay for walking talk therapy. But for somebody that you haven't met before? Is there more of an evaluative process that you might go through during an initial intake phone call?   Katie Vernoy  53:38 With some of the new clients that I've brought it up with, I like to do the first session in person seated. And for me, I still have my office. So that's where I choose to do that first session. And at this time, I'm still doing masks inside my office. So it's a formal process. It may also be I would do it telehealth first, to have a conversation. Because I'm taking more notes, I'm doing more assessment, there's just a lot of information for me in the way that I do my initial assessment that I have to get through in order to really do that. So during the phone call, as well as that assessment appointment, I would really talk about what it looks like, pros and cons. What do they think about it? If I felt like it was aligned at all with them. Some clients want to do it because it's like, 'Hey, I am sedentary all day, I would love to have an excuse to walk for an hour, while also taking care of this other need.' It's like multitasking. But some clients are like, 'Oh, I would not want to be in public. There's too much going on.' And I've had clients that even we're doing walk and talk and they're like, 'Yeah, I can't cry in public,' or you know, there's something too deep to talk about. And so in the beginning of treatment, I think you're going to want to assess what are they bringing in and if they're at a high level of crisis, I think outdoor therapy or walk and talk may not be indicated because there's so many other things that you have to control, and unless they are completely soothed by nature, and you know that they're going to be okay, in the setting, there's just too many variables. Crisis may be okay in their home environment, and it may feel less overwhelming for them for you to come to their home, less anxiety about going to treatment, because basically, they have to open the door, which could be stressful, I'm not, I don't want to discount that. But it's less potentially less stressful of getting out of your getting dressed, getting out of your home, going to an office, you know, what, braving traffic, all of that stuff. And so I think with those types of situations, you're gonna want to be very cautious. But what I found with clients that I see mostly I see executives and, you know, leaders and helping professionals and stuff like that most of them, the level of crisi

Sebastian Lockwood is not British, although he sounds VERY British. Sebastian is one who tells the Epics! From the Odyssey and Gilgamesh to Beowulf and beyond. Sebastian raised an owl, talks about getting into trance when storytelling and about being twice born. Our conversation took place in a small cabin in New Hampshire sitting next to a stove, crackling away and amongst all this we also talked about going to school in England.

What's up everyone! In today's episode I share 6 VERY British words that you can add to your vocabulary to help you sound more natural when speaking. I hope you enjoy the episode!   Download the transcript for free at www.unlockingbritishenglish.com    Follow the Instagram @unlockingbritishenglish    My personal Instagram @shanegodliman

Greetings comrades! The leftie lads turn their gaze to Latin America where the Bolivian victory against fascism may have heralded a new dawn in anti-imperialist government across the continent. A brief spell in which the pair wonder who the American Empire will target next ensues, before the fate of Corbyn is compared to that of Harry Perkins in Chris Mullin's prescient novel of 1982. An Garda Síochána's complicity in the brutal treatment meted out to Palestinians by Israel is examined, the UK's total failure to seize the opportunity provided by the European Project gets a mention, and the question of Russian democracy raises its head once again. Antifa International round things off with the 4th of their annual reports on far-right violence around the globe, after which the chat dissolves into making fun of a certain crackpot running for Mayor of London... His identity may surprise you! Hope you enjoy, brothers & sisters... shout-out amnesia // defeating fascists at the ballot box // looking to Arauz in Ecuador // Lenin by name, neolib by nature // department of newsspeak // seeing traitors in every corner // The Tailored Trousered Philanthropist // Get AMLO! // who will the USA bomb next? // no Trump? no fun // Corbyn the bogeyman // A Very British (pre-emptive) Coup // Irish cops collaborating with apartheid // mealy-mouthed Micháel // brass in EU pocket // Charles de "No" // Denmark my words... // social democrats by any other name // divide & rule // laissez-unfair // eugenics in Germany?! // don't Help The Aged // capitalist Covid priorities // Zionist exclusion of 'wrong Jews' // Navalny vs Putin // the Russian Gemmtrails // factions fighting it out // liberal lip service // the unpopular populist // livejournal-ism // OUR party of crooks & thieves! // co-opting opposition // insight or BS? You decide! // antifa raison d'etre // far-right violence in 2020 // anti-Muslim pogrom // Modi's Hindutva // transphobic discourse // synagogue shootings // NYC a violence epicentre // attacks on refugees in Lesvos // running jump off a Piers // name recognition über Alles // BoJo's 'O' face // can Khan win May Mayoral race? // Starmer hardly Hardie's equal // politico kids disappointing their Leftie parents // razor blades under fash stickers Music: Roxanne - The Police 'Why are Ireland's police teaming up with Israel's torture ministry?' by Ciaran Tierney https://electronicintifada.net/content/why-are-irelands-police-teaming-israels-torture-ministry/32181 2020 Report by the International Violent Hate Crimes Project, courtesy of Antifa International https://deathtofascism.com/files/2020-THE_YEAR_IN_FASCIST&FAR-RIGHT_EXTREMIST_VIOLENCE.pdf 'Friends and Blasphemers' by Reply All https://soundcloud.com/replyall/100-friends-and-blasphemers

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David Sims (Blank Check, The Atlantic) joins us to discuss England's Chessington World of Adventures. A park filled with very delightful, VERY British characters!Sail on over to The Second Gate for a day trip to Popeye Village Malta!Patreon.com/PodcastTheRideTHIS EPISODE IS SPONSORED BY BROOKLINENGet 10% your first order from brooklinen.com by using offer code ’RIDE’ at checkoutFOLLOW PODCAST: THE RIDE:https://twitter.com/PodcastTheRidehttps://www.instagram.com/podcasttherideBUY PODCAST: THE RIDE MERCH:https://www.teepublic.com/stores/podcast-the-ridePODCAST THE RIDE IS A FOREVER DOG PODCASThttps://foreverdogpodcasts.com/podcasts/podcast-the-ride

I do hope you've had a chance to fall in love with Tilda's very British self-deprecating humor, her Nanny, and her patience with my questions about food culture already! If you haven't gotten a chance to hear Episode 011, Nanny's Syrup Sponge Pudding, take a listen. You'll love it! This episode is a continuation of the conversation, but a little less cut and a little more free-wheeling. Essentially, as I read Jane Austen novels and watched The Crown and the Great British Baking Show at home here in American, I've generated some stereotypes and questions about British food culture that I was so curious to explore. In this episode, Tilda patiently answers my questions with detail and good humor. It was a fun chat! I think you'll enjoy the episode's less edited feel, also. I'm often fitting as much as 2 hours of conversation into 45 minutes, but in this case, I mostly just released the discussion as it happened. Thanks again to Tilda and please enjoy the episode!!! Listen to Tilda Now Highlights of this episode: Is teatime a real thing and what do Brits eat for tea? Identifying as "British" instead of "English" Great British Baking Show: The application process Tilda's interview with John Whaite Are they really that nice? Bonfire Night Rosewater, clotted cream, and other common GBBO ingredients More about Tilda: After years as a journalist for a British lifestyle magazine, Tilda recently went freelance and now researches, writes about, and photographs food for many publications. You can view more of Tilda's work here: https://www.matildabourne.co.uk/ Tilda references an interview with John Whaite in this bonus episode and here's a link to that article: https://www.matildabourne.co.uk/editorial/john-whaite-interview-for-the-cake-amp-bake-show-october-2018 Recipes Associated With Bonus Episode 011, Nanny's Syrup Sponge Pudding: Find the Golden Syrup Pudding recipe (plus lots more images) right here. Other Episodes Related to this one: The Storied Recipe Podcast Episode 011, A "Very British" Nanny's Syrup Sponge Pudding  

Cold opening: We're on Rocky (Rambo?) ground as Alan tries to save East Anglia in 4 minutes, slates Very British and Great British programming, and gets tricked into a BBC open day. Plus: We try to gauge Alan's radio habits, name the eighth deadly sin and play 'The Alan's Dead Dad Quiz'. Listen to the episode, our blurb seemed to suggest...

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Robin's new Russian neighbour... Robin met the GM of Hormuz Grand and had an incident... the woman who has MAJOR beef with Qantas... George is trying to book a holiday during the show... Lindsay Lohan update... President Trump had trouble saying a certain word... a lady calls about the guys' New York Radio nomination... are you having a midlife crisis...Tinder's sexiest jobs for 2018... the what's app message about Cardi B... some randoms call the show...what age do men start dressing appropriately?!! The guys go ABBA crazy... how to properly restock fish in a lake in case you should ever need to... Post Malone news... the guys have a VERY British argument... Gwyneth Paltrow's GOOP website has been fined... can you lose weight by breaking wind?!! A chemical weapon explosion... BLAH BLAH BLAH don't you have anything left on Netflix you could be watching????

Robin is back from his holidays and he feels weird... George quizzes Robin about his time away... the VERY British reaction to getting hit by a tree... Secret Government Alien man is on the phone... George's new audio freak out... at what age do you stop caring?!!... the emotional support animal that has it's OWN emotional support animal... the guys make an absolute mess of a coin toss for which bit to do next... the world's best job... the story about a Bridezilla... tv reboots... what Quasi from Hala did for Eid... Robin has beef with George about a bloody ladder... the Mayor who screwed up with his burner account on facebook... George's video of a raccoon being set free... ASMR weird stuff... Robin was keeping up with Kardashian news even while he was away... depressing Apple news... craziest way to try to reunite after a break up... Good grief you've read this far and you're still awake??!!!

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In this episode, Shana and Daniel are joined once again by Jack Graham, this time to discuss the very last Classic Who story ever filmed: Ghost Light. As expected, they have a hard time staying on-topic, and even have extended digressions on Steven Moffat and steampunk. It's a fun conversation about all things related to Victorian science, Victorian imperialism, the ghosts of the past, and problematic representations. Enjoy! Main Topic: Ghost Light. The Bible. No one was asking for Daniel's input. Everything changes. Why? Peak cute. Jack catnip. Odd at thirteen. "Very British problems." Island people. Nimrod and Lot's wife. Rewatching. Logic. Dreamlike. Ace is really fucking queer. Wrestling, yes please. Two major problems. Snuffbox logic. "And now Jack feels pretentious." Radioactivity and intersubjectivity. The Doctor/Ace relationship. Professor/student. Relationships. Breakthrough? Delivering freeness. 2016 is not 1989. Context matters. Complaining to Andrew Cartmel. "You said it was cyberpunk, right?" Sublimated kink. Pop culture. Riffing on tropes. Ace versus Peri. Tooth and Claw. "We all know Daniel's a sadist." Ace/Gwendoline. Moffat-hate. Female friendship. "And all the chicks say fuck no." Victorian adventurer. Doctor as an ally to imperialism. Anti-patriarchy. "White guy bad." Civilization. Period ideology. Neither a lady nor a gentleman. Reductionism. Neanderthal. Annotations. Great Chain of Being. Paving the war for Empire. Nimrod's religion. Heaven Sent. Lot's wife. Self-reference (in a good way). Ace's journey. "Wicked." Hartnell and McCoy. Explicit. Bonnie the Zygon. Steampunk. Social Darwinism. Metaphor. Medium and Meaning. Emergence. Control. Steven Jay Gould. Ace and the dress. Social Darwinism a perversion of Darwin. Control's journey. Not didactic. Ghost of Victorianism. Religion and heirarchy. Low-hanging fruit. Co-opted by douchebros. Gothic. Control's pidgin English. Starbucks. Female diversity. Eternals in Enlightenment. The last Doctor Who. Shana's not sorry. Wrapping up.  Find Jack Graham at Eruditorum Press, or on Twitter.

The Bookies get together once again to discuss this month's book, Don't Point That Thing At Me, by Kyril Bonfiglioli. Come and join us for some interesting, and sometimes intense, discussion of this much loved, VERY British, novel, which lead to the creation of Mortdecai, starring Johnny Depp, Gwyneth Paltrow, and Ewen McGregor.

Anni 90 - Very British

Anni 90 - Very British

Matt and Brett seek shelter on the coldest day of 2014 in the warmth of their Podcastatorium, where they ring in the new year by talking about The Fifth Beatle: The Brian Epstein Story, Valiant Comics, Golden Age Superman stories, gripes with The Dark Knight Rises, Marvel’s Phase Two films, and what Star Wars comics will look like at their new publisher. Want to buy some of the things we talked about? The Fifth Beatle: The Brian Epstein Story Valiant: Unity The Dark Knight Rises (also on iTunes) Lois Lane: A Celebration of 75 Years Thor: The Dark World (also on iTunes) Next week on the show, we’ll be taking a trip way back in time to 1978 to read the very first original Star Wars stories published by Marvel Comics: “Star Wars” #7-10 by Roy Thomas, Howard Chaykin, and friends. You can purchase these issues in the Star Wars Omnibus: A Long Time Ago trade, either on Amazon or digitally through Dark Horse. Music: “Fugitive Air” by Of Montreal "Very British in His First Appearance" originally appeared at http://mattandbrettlovecomics.com/podcast/2014/very-british.html

Kirsty Young's castaway is the actor, Hugh Laurie.If life were straightforward he'd be marooned on the island because of his achievements as an Olympic rower. But his early promise on the water was scuppered by a bout of glandular fever - so he's had to make do instead with life as a worldwide entertainment superstar.Very British comedy, very big budget movies, very successful syndicated TV drama - his 30 year career has taken him from A Little Bit of Fry & Laurie to a big bit of broadcasting history: his role in the U.S. show House ran for 8 series and had a global audience of 81 million. So why now does he feel the need to risk his stellar reputation by making music too? He says, "as soon as I acknowledge to myself that something is frightening and carries the risk of public humiliation I feel like I have to do it."Producer: Cathy Drysdale.

Kirsty Young's castaway is the actor, Hugh Laurie. If life were straightforward he'd be marooned on the island because of his achievements as an Olympic rower. But his early promise on the water was scuppered by a bout of glandular fever - so he's had to make do instead with life as a worldwide entertainment superstar. Very British comedy, very big budget movies, very successful syndicated TV drama - his 30 year career has taken him from A Little Bit of Fry & Laurie to a big bit of broadcasting history: his role in the U.S. show House ran for 8 series and had a global audience of 81 million. So why now does he feel the need to risk his stellar reputation by making music too? He says, "as soon as I acknowledge to myself that something is frightening and carries the risk of public humiliation I feel like I have to do it." Producer: Cathy Drysdale.