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Send us a textWhat happens when a no-deal Shark Tank brand becomes TikTok Shop's fastest-growing success story? That's exactly what NeuroGum did—and in this video, I'll show you how they pulled it off.Hi, I'm Jordan West, founder of Social Commerce Club—the agency behind some of the top-performing TikTok Shop strategies out there. Today, I'm unpacking how NeuroGum scaled to over $10M/month in revenue and reached a $100M+ valuation, all by turning TikTok Shop into the centerpiece of their growth engine.What You'll Learn (Timestamps):[00:15] The NeuroGum origin story: indie gum, Shark Tank, and the viral spark[01:05] Why TikTok Shop became their #1 growth channel[01:50] How narrowing SKUs led to higher conversion rates[02:30] Building a handpicked creator network (+ onboarding tactics)[04:30] Cracking the hook in the first 0.8 seconds[05:20] Publishing 2–3 videos daily through trained creators[05:45] Urgency strategies to increase sell-through and attention[06:50] Scraping comments & conversion data to optimize[07:30] Why TikTok outperforms Amazon & Facebook for top-of-funnel[08:10] Repurposing TikTok UGC across other channels[08:50] Creators on a Times Square billboard—offline meets viral[09:11] Their results and how you can model the same playbookKey TakeawaysNarrow Focus Wins: Fewer SKUs = faster decisions and better sell-through on TikTok Shop.Deep Creator Partnerships: Top creators are trained, not just sourced. Treat them like team members.Hooks Are Everything: First 0.8 seconds determine if someone scrolls or buys.Urgency Drives Sales: Scarcity and time-sensitive offers fuel TikTok's impulse-buy nature.Halo Effect Is Real: TikTok Shop performance boosts other channels like retail and DTC.Creator Incentives Matter: Think bigger than commissions—billboards and visibility = brand loyalty.Repurpose Smart: UGC from TikTok Shop can be gold for Meta ads, YouTube pre-rolls, and PDPs.Go All-In or Miss Out: TikTok Shop rewards brands that commit with volume and creativity.Systematize Everything: From onboarding creators to testing hooks—build a repeatable engine.The Playbook Works: This exact model is what we run at Social Commerce Club with our top clients.Want to turn your brand into a TikTok Shop powerhouse?
The day Marc has been dreaming about... Tim has arrived with the ice creams, and even Nat gets rewarded. Huge thanks to the wonderful people at New Forest Ice Cream and an equally massive thanks to best friend of the pod, the legendary Tim of Heathside Travel, who used his driving skills expertise and his very swish mini coach to make the whole thing happen Enjoy! x Please subscribe, follow, and leave a review. xxx You can find us in all places here; https://podfollow.com/lifewithnat/view INSTA: @natcass1 We're also on Facebook too: https://www.facebook.com/lifewithnatpod A 'Keep It Light Media' Production Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: hello@keepitlightmedia.com SHOW INFO: Life with Nat - it's me! Natalie Cassidy and I'll be chatting away to family, friends and most importantly YOU. I want to pick people's brains on the subjects that I care about- whether that's where all the odd socks go, weight and food or kids on phones. Each week I will be letting you into my life as i chat about my week, share my thoughts on the mundane happenings as well as the serious. I have grown up in the public eye and have never changed because of it. Life with Nat is the podcast for proper people. Come join the community. ♥️ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Somehow discussed the much enjoyed conclusion to Sherlock & Co.'s "Priory School," Mariana leads us into an international soda pop discussion. And who is Sherlock the AI's Watson according to a certain site? Scraping the news for that single Watson story.
Today in the business of podcasting: Google is now indexing Instagram, Ausha's Jennfer Han talks about a recent BBC Studios case study, Digiday looks at the creator industrial complex, and IAB Tech Lab is working on an intiative to monetize LLMs scraping content and give control back to publishers. Find links to every article discussed by heading to the Download's section of SoundsProfitable.com, or clicking here to head straight to the post for today's episode.
Today in the business of podcasting: Google is now indexing Instagram, Ausha's Jennfer Han talks about a recent BBC Studios case study, Digiday looks at the creator industrial complex, and IAB Tech Lab is working on an intiative to monetize LLMs scraping content and give control back to publishers. Find links to every article discussed by heading to the Download's section of SoundsProfitable.com, or clicking here to head straight to the post for today's episode.
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Nat and Marc are as busy as ever, but back on the mics to continue the ice cream saga, disect a bit of their Pappy's Flatshare Slamdown podcast recording experience, and get right to the left of the right vs left handedness. Enjoy! x Full ep of Pappy's with Nat featuring can be found here - https://shows.acast.com/pappysflatshare/episodes/ep-1522-pappys-flatshare-slamdown-with-natalie-cassidy-leah Please subscribe, follow, and leave a review. xxx You can find us in all places here; https://podfollow.com/lifewithnat/view INSTA: @natcass1 We're also on Facebook too: https://www.facebook.com/lifewithnatpod A 'Keep It Light Media' Production Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: hello@keepitlightmedia.com SHOW INFO: Life with Nat - it's me! Natalie Cassidy and I'll be chatting away to family, friends and most importantly YOU. I want to pick people's brains on the subjects that I care about- whether that's where all the odd socks go, weight and food or kids on phones. Each week I will be letting you into my life as i chat about my week, share my thoughts on the mundane happenings as well as the serious. I have grown up in the public eye and have never changed because of it. Life with Nat is the podcast for proper people. Come join the community. ♥️ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Welcome back to the True Hauntings Podcast — where the shadows speak, the walls remember, and the spirits never rest.In this episode we take you deep into the dark heart of one of Western Australia's most haunted and historic buildings — the Fremantle Arts Centre. But before it was a hub of creativity and culture… it was something far more sinister.Originally built in the 1860s as the Fremantle Lunatic Asylum, this imposing Gothic limestone structure holds a past soaked in sorrow, tragedy, and — many say — the paranormal. Over the decades, it has served as a mental hospital, a women's home, a naval base, and now an arts venue. But some believe the spirits of those who suffered here never left…Visitors and staff alike have reported disembodied screams, phantom footsteps echoing through empty halls, and sudden icy chills even on the hottest summer days. One of the most frequently seen apparitions is that of a woman in white, believed to be a former patient who died in anguish. Others claim to have seen the figure of a sad-eyed man staring from the upper windows — long after the building should be empty.So what secrets are still locked behind those towering stone walls? Is it residual energy from a tortured past... or are the ghosts of the Fremantle Arts Centre still trying to make their presence known?Let's explore the evidence, the eyewitness accounts, and the haunted history of this chilling location.Is the Fremantle Arts Centre truly haunted — or is it just the building's dark legacy playing tricks on our minds?Stay with us… if you dare.
AI Hustle: News on Open AI, ChatGPT, Midjourney, NVIDIA, Anthropic, Open Source LLMs
Jamie and Jaeden discuss Cloudflare's new marketplace that allows website owners to charge AI bots for scraping their data. They explore the implications of this development for content creators and the potential for monetization in the face of AI advancements. The conversation delves into Cloudflare's role in web security, the challenges faced by content creators, and the future of data scraping and monetization.AI Hustle YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@AI-Hustle-PodcastOur Skool Community: https://www.skool.com/aihustle/aboutTry AI Box: https://AIBox.ai/Chapters00:00 Introduction to Cloudflare's Marketplace02:02 Understanding Cloudflare's Services04:55 Monetizing Data Scraping with Cloudflare09:28 Future Implications of AI Data Scraping
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Neste episódio do Product Guru's, Paulo Chiodi recebe Jefferson Andrade, um dos maiores especialistas em scraping e agentes de IA do Brasil, para um bate-papo profundo e direto sobre o futuro da extração de dados. Jeff compartilha como a evolução do scraping, de scripts simples para agentes autônomos baseados em IA, está transformando setores como turismo, varejo, automobilístico e farmacêutico. Ele detalha os desafios técnicos, as complexidades dos sites dinâmicos e a crescente importância de decisões baseadas em dados estruturados.Além disso, o episódio apresenta uma demonstração prática de scraping com agentes de IA utilizando ferramentas open source como LangChain e Browserless. Jeff mostra como os agentes planejam ações, interagem com sites, enfrentam barreiras como captchas e utilizam prints e DOM para tomada de decisão. O conteúdo também aborda aspectos éticos e legais do scraping e revela casos reais de aplicação, como o uso dos dados pela BMW para planejamento global de produtos. Um episódio imperdível para quem quer dominar scraping com IA de verdade.// Onde encontrar o convidado: Cristian Pedroso | Lead Software Developer @ rpchttps://www.linkedin.com/in/andradejefferson/// Conteúdos mencionados:Cogni2 - https://cogni2.com/// Recado Importante: O futuro dos produtos digitais já começou e a Inteligência Artificial é parte do time.A PM3 acaba de lançar a Formação em Gestão de Produtos de IA: um curso pensado para Product Managers que querem criar, delegar e inovar com mais inteligência. Muito além dos prompts: você vai aprender a liderar produtos baseados em IA, dominar temas como Machine Learning, Deep Learning e IA Generativa, e aplicar novas formas de discovery, experimentação e validação.Prepare-se para o mercado que mais cresce no mundo e torne-se o PM que lidera a transformação.Acesse o link e saiba mais: https://go.pm3.com.br/ProductGurus-AI-Specialist/// Outros parceiros:Codando sem Codar - A maior comunidade de AI (Vibe) Coding do Brasilhttps://codandosemcodar.com.br/?utm_campaign=pg_podcastCurling - Do treinamento à criação de soluções com IA, estamos em cada etapa. https://www.usecurling.com/// Nesse episódio abordamos:• Scraping é a extração automatizada de dados estruturados a partir de sites.• Agentes de IA tornaram a extração de dados muito mais dinâmica e adaptável.• Frameworks modernos dificultam o scraping com identificadores dinâmicos.• Setores como turismo, varejo e farmacêutica dependem fortemente de dados extraídos.• A BMW usa scraping para tomar decisões sobre novos modelos de veículos.• Agentes de IA conseguem contornar erros de navegação com raciocínio lógico.• Privacidade e ética são cruciais: scraping deve respeitar dados públicos e regras legais.• Sites usam defesas como captchas e headers para impedir bots automatizados.• Agentes com reasoning permitem auto-recuperação em ambientes instáveis (self-healing).• O futuro do scraping será moldado por IA, prompt engineering e navegação visual./// Capítulos00:00 Introdução01:36 Apresentação de Jefferson Andrade01:44 O que é scraping?02:39 Como o scraping evoluiu com IA05:04 Scraping em escala e desafios técnicos07:29 Casos reais: hotéis e BMW10:32 Setores que dependem de scraping12:37 Demonstração: scraping com agentes de IA16:06 Tecnologias e ferramentas utilizadas19:35 Execução prática: scraping em e-commerce24:07 Prompt engineering e limitações27:43 Navegação autônoma com IA na prática30:15 Privacidade, segurança e bloqueios33:07 Estratégias para contornar barreiras legais35:29 Scraping de dados públicos e limites éticos40:01 Riscos e responsabilidade com agentes de IA42:32 Armazenamento e uso dos dados extraídos45:11 Futuro do scraping com IA46:46 Encerramento/// Onde encontrar a Product Guru's:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/product-guru-s/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/product.gurus/
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In today's MadTech Daily, we discuss the BBC threatening legal action against Perplexity AI over content scraping, Australia's social media ban tech trial, and the ASA slamming stereotyping of older people in ads.
Nat and Marc have put their sneezing and ice creams on ice just long enough for Joanie's patience pre-paddle. Enjoy! x Please subscribe, follow, and leave a review. xxx You can find us in all places here; https://podfollow.com/lifewithnat/view INSTA: @natcass1 We're also on Facebook too: https://www.facebook.com/lifewithnatpod A 'Keep It Light Media' Production Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: hello@keepitlightmedia.com SHOW INFO: Life with Nat - it's me! Natalie Cassidy and I'll be chatting away to family, friends and most importantly YOU. I want to pick people's brains on the subjects that I care about- whether that's where all the odd socks go, weight and food or kids on phones. Each week I will be letting you into my life as i chat about my week, share my thoughts on the mundane happenings as well as the serious. I have grown up in the public eye and have never changed because of it. Life with Nat is the podcast for proper people. Come join the community. ♥️ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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"I took a small segment of the snapping shrimps and slowed this down significantly by differing amounts then layered these new files. A recording of squelching seaweed, slowed down birdsong and horn was added. GRM evol plug in was applied to some of the tracks to increase the intensity. It evokes in my mind an underwater experience." Hydrophone recording of shrimps in Canaveral Park reimagined by Alison Beattie.
Another royally great scraping the barrel, with plenty of much camper trips to Iceland. Enjoy! x Please subscribe, follow, and leave a review. xxx You can find us in all places here; https://podfollow.com/lifewithnat/view INSTA: @natcass1 We're also on Facebook too: https://www.facebook.com/lifewithnatpod A 'Keep It Light Media' Production Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: hello@keepitlightmedia.com SHOW INFO: Life with Nat - it's me! Natalie Cassidy and I'll be chatting away to family, friends and most importantly YOU. I want to pick people's brains on the subjects that I care about- whether that's where all the odd socks go, weight and food or kids on phones. Each week I will be letting you into my life as i chat about my week, share my thoughts on the mundane happenings as well as the serious. I have grown up in the public eye and have never changed because of it. Life with Nat is the podcast for proper people. Come join the community. ♥️ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
AI Chat: ChatGPT & AI News, Artificial Intelligence, OpenAI, Machine Learning
The conversation gets into the ongoing legal battle between Reddit and Anthropic, focusing on allegations of unauthorized data scraping.Try AI Box: https://AIBox.ai/AI Chat YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@JaedenSchaferJoin my AI Hustle Community: https://www.skool.com/aihustle/about
Fresh off a split in San Francisco that was either frustrating or fortuitous, Darnay welcomes Annie Heilbrunn to the pod! How should we feel about the Giants series? Should we be concerned or hopeful about the team finding ways to win? Manny is raking. Tatis has signs of life. Xander and Arraez are dinged up. A series with the Dodgers is finally around the corner. Darnay asks Annie about a more affable Mike Shildt, and the key to asking good questions and getting useful answers.
Many architects dream of doing their own developments, but the fear of financial risk, inexperience with construction, and lack of support can stop them before they start. Becoming your client sounds empowering until you're staring down zoning codes, contractor bids, and bank meetings. In this episode, architect and developer Kevin Hittle shares how he bridged that gap. Kevin started as a laborer, became an architect, and eventually wore all three hats: architect, developer, and contractor. It's a story of sweat equity, smart deals, and building something both beautiful and profitable. You'll learn how one small project sparked a bigger vision—and how being deeply involved at every stage of the process changed the way he now designs for others. His practical insights offer a grounded, no-fluff view of what it really takes to make development work as a solo architect. And he's clear about the one piece of experience every architect should get. Listen to learn: How he built a $1.8M project with less than $30K in cash The rare zoning loophole that changed everything Why being “the maintenance guy” made him a better architect The unexpected thing he now regrets not upgrading To learn more about Kevin, visit his: Website:www.SSH-Arch.com Website: www.Havelock63.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinhittle/ ► Transcription: https://otter.ai/u/25wnoljq3RfvZdXwHEq_5Q_7Xxk?utm_source=copy_url ► Feedback? Email us at podcast@businessofarchitecture.com ► Access your free training at http://SmartPracticeMethod.com/ ► If you want to speak directly to our advisors, book a call at https://www.businessofarchitecture.com/call ► Subscribe to our YouTube Channel for updates: https://www.youtube.com/c/BusinessofArchitecture ******* For more free tools and resources for running a profitable, impactful, and fulfilling practice, connect with me on: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/businessofarchitecture Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/businessofarch/ Website: https://www.businessofarchitecture.com/yt Twitter: https://twitter.com/BusinessofArch Podcast: http://www.businessofarchitecture.com/show iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/business-architecture-podcast/id588987926 Android Podcast Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/BusinessofArchitecture-podcast Google Podcasts: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9idXNpbmVzc29mYXJjaGl0ZWN0dXJlLmxpYnN5bi5jb20vcnNz ******* Access the FREE Architecture Firm Profit Map video here: http://freearchitectgift.com Carpe Diem!
A vengeful spirit with no legs and a thirst for revenge crawls through Japan's darkest urban legend — and if you hear her coming, it may already be too late.Join the DARKNESS SYNDICATE: https://weirddarkness.com/syndicateABOUT WEIRD DARKNESS: Weird Darkness is a true crime and paranormal podcast narrated by professional award-winning voice actor, Darren Marlar. Seven days per week, Weird Darkness focuses on all thing strange and macabre such as haunted locations, unsolved mysteries, true ghost stories, supernatural manifestations, urban legends, unsolved or cold case murders, conspiracy theories, and more. On Thursdays, this scary stories podcast features horror fiction along with the occasional creepypasta. Weird Darkness has been named one of the “Best 20 Storytellers in Podcasting” by Podcast Business Journal. Listeners have described the show as a cross between “Coast to Coast” with Art Bell, “The Twilight Zone” with Rod Serling, “Unsolved Mysteries” with Robert Stack, and “In Search Of” with Leonard Nimoy.DISCLAIMER: Ads heard during the podcast that are not in my voice are placed by third party agencies outside of my control and should not imply an endorsement by Weird Darkness or myself. *** Stories and content in Weird Darkness can be disturbing for some listeners and intended for mature audiences only. Parental discretion is strongly advised.IN THIS EPISODE: In Japanese folklore there lurks a vengeful spirit known as Teke Teke, her upper body dragging along at impossible speeds with a chilling "teke teke" sound. If you hear her approach, run fast and be kind to others, for her wrath falls upon the cruel - and those who are unlucky enough to cross her path may find themselves torn in two, joining her in death. (The Terrifying Tale of Teke Teke) *** Strange occurrences took place in 1955 on a property near Mayanup, West Australia. Bill and Ethel Hack witnessed a series of inexplicable phenomena which Ethel meticulously recorded. From eerie whistling sounds and stones falling from the sky to strange lights and violent disturbances, Ethel's detailed written account reveals the chaos and fear that gripped their property, affecting both the Hacks and their aboriginal workers. Despite numerous investigations, the mystery of the Mayanup poltergeist remains unresolved, captivating paranormal enthusiasts and researchers to this day. (The Mayanup Australia Entity) *** In June 1977, Portuguese Air Force pilot Jose Francisco Rodrigues encountered a mysterious UFO over the Castelo de Bode Dam, leading to a near-fatal dive and unexplained aircraft malfunctions. Despite numerous witnesses and a thorough investigation, the incident remains an unsolved incident. (The 1977 Near Miss With a UFO In Portugal) *** Just three days after Christmas in 1978, Bob Young and his girlfriend Elizabeth Andes were preparing to move out of their shared apartment in Oxford, Ohio. When Bob returned to help with the final cleanup, he found their apartment dark and silent. Inside, he discovered Elizabeth's lifeless body, brutally murdered in their bedroom, sparking a horrific mystery that would haunt the small college town for decades – and put Bob Young in the crosshairs of local law enforcement. (The Shocking Unsolved Murder of Elizabeth Andes) *** Everybody has heard of teleportation, alien abductions and poltergeists, but without the pioneering work of Charles Fort, it's unlikely any of these phenomena would have entered public consciousness. (The Godfather of the Bizarre)CHAPTERS & TIME STAMPS (All Times Approximate)…00:00:00.000 = “Three Days After Hearing Her Name, I Heard The Scraping” – short story00:03:07.895 = Show Open00:06:07.317 = The Terrifying Tale of Teke Teke00:15:21.389 = “No Radar, No Warning, Just Me And the Object” – short story00:18:30.503 = The 1977 Near Miss With a UFO In Portugal00:32:35.916 = The Shocking Unsolved Murder of Elizabeth Andes00:39:34.707 = The Godfather Of The Bizarre (Charles Fort)00:48:44.303 = The Mayanup Australia Entity01:09:52.741 = Show CloseSOURCES AND RESOURCES FROM THE EPISODE…“The Godfather of the Bizarre” by Harry Pearson at The-Line-Up.com: https://weirddarkness.tiny.us/2mv9sw3y (used with permission)BOOK: “The Book of the Damned” by Charles Fort: https://amzn.to/4cKnT7KBOOK: “Lo!” by Charles Fort: https://amzn.to/4bzhNpGBOOK: “Wild Talents” by Charles Fort: https://amzn.to/4bCPRBlBOOK: “New Lands” by Charles Fort: https://amzn.to/3zA5a07BOOK (All Titles Above Combined): “The Fortean Collection” by Charles Fort: https://amzn.to/4cAm6Ck“The 1977 Near Miss With a UFO In Portugal” source: Marcus Lowth at UFOInsight.com: https://weirddarkness.tiny.us/2p89z6hd“The Shocking Unsolved Murder of Elizabeth Andes” by Orrin Grey at The-Line-Up.com: https://weirddarkness.tiny.us/mm2cbm3 (used with permission)“The Terrifying Tale of Teke Teke” source: Kylie Talamentez at ListVerse.com: https://weirddarkness.tiny.us/2p8adts8“The Mayanup Australia Entity” source: The Fortean: https://weirddarkness.tiny.us/4aam6p99=====(Over time links seen above may become invalid, disappear, or have different content. I always make sure to give authors credit for the material I use whenever possible. If I somehow overlooked doing so for a story, or if a credit is incorrect, please let me know and I will rectify it in these show notes immediately. Some links included above may benefit me financially through qualifying purchases.)= = = = ="I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness." — John 12:46= = = = =WeirdDarkness® is a registered trademark. Copyright ©2025, Weird Darkness.=====Originally aired: July 09, 2024EPISODE PAGE at WeirdDarkness.com (includes list of sources): https://weirddarkness.com/teketeke
Neil Emeigh founded Rayobyte at 21, growing it to serve over 5000 customers, including Fortune 500 companies, primarily in web scraping. Beyond business, he has completed an Ironman and a seven-day silent retreat. Despite a lucrative acquisition offer, Emeigh continues to lead Rayobyte to maximize its impact and give back. CONNECT WITH HIM https://rayobyte.com/ Subscribe to this channel now! https://www.youtube.com/user/lunidelouis/?sub_confirmation=1 ---------------------------------------------------- Join our exclusive Facebook group @ https://www.facebook.com/groups/339709559955223 --------------------------------------------------- Looking for accountability to do your morning routine -- join us tomorrow morning, it's FREE: https://bestmorningroutineever.com/ -----------------------------------------------------
Building With Breven: The Ultimate Guide to Building a Custom Home
Lot Prep Masterclass: Essential Steps to Prepare Your Land for a Custom Home | Episode 29In this first episode of our special 7-part series expanding on our most popular episode (Ep. 22), hosts Steven Byrnes & Mike Byrnes take an in-depth look at Lot Preparation, the critical first step in the custom home building process.You'll learn about:Land Surveying & Boundary Identification: Why surveying your lot is crucial.Tree Clearing & Site Preparation: Key considerations for effectively clearing your land.Scraping the House Pad: Proper techniques to establish a solid foundation.Excavation & Basements: Important excavation insights, including considerations for basement builds.Drainage & Topography Management: Ensuring proper water runoff and land grading.Utilities & Setbacks: Understanding utility placements and building setback requirements.Whether you're planning your dream custom home or just getting started, this episode will equip you with essential knowledge to avoid costly pitfalls.Subscribe and visit buildingwithbreven.com for more resources, and follow us on Instagram @brevenhomes for additional custom home insights.
En esta tertulia de alto nivel sobre startups, inteligencia artificial y transformación empresarial, los Jordi, Bernat, Marcel y David abordan temas clave como la compraventa de empresas tecnológicas, el mercado laboral en el sector IT, el auge del trabajo remoto, y el cambio en la relación entre empleados y empleadores. Se profundiza en los desafíos de crear una startup, cómo atraer talento senior, y la necesidad de transparencia salarial.Además, se analiza el impacto real de la IA en sectores como el desarrollo de software, el marketing y la agricultura, y se cuestionan valoraciones multimillonarias como la de LoveFrom por parte de OpenAI. También se comparan las estrategias tecnológicas de Google y Microsoft, se discuten modelos de negocio sostenibles frente al hype, y se reflexiona sobre la viabilidad financiera de startups de IA como Perplexity.Finalmente, se presentan casos de éxito como Dertack, una innovadora plataforma de generación de leads a partir de ofertas de empleo, y Névoda Farms, una startup agroindustrial que aplica tecnología para escalar su producción vegetal con eficiencia.
Nat and Marc are back, chatting TV career advice, doll naming with Joanie and is Nat off to the races? Enjoy! x Please subscribe, follow, and leave a review. xxx You can find us in all places here; https://podfollow.com/lifewithnat/view INSTA: @natcass1 We're also on Facebook too: https://www.facebook.com/lifewithnatpod A 'Keep It Light Media' Production Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: hello@keepitlightmedia.com SHOW INFO: Life with Nat - it's me! Natalie Cassidy and I'll be chatting away to family, friends and most importantly YOU. I want to pick people's brains on the subjects that I care about- whether that's where all the odd socks go, weight and food or kids on phones. Each week I will be letting you into my life as i chat about my week, share my thoughts on the mundane happenings as well as the serious. I have grown up in the public eye and have never changed because of it. Life with Nat is the podcast for proper people. Come join the community. ♥️ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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When you book a weekend cabin in the woods, you're usually expecting bad Wi-Fi, questionable furniture, and maybe a raccoon or two—not this. In today's story, what begins as a snowy getaway in Big Bear quickly turns into a psychological nightmare. Our narrator is surrounded by a crew of men who seem to know more than they're letting on, and the further into the weekend they go, the stranger they act. Then come the noises. Scraping on the roof. Scratching at the walls. And finally—at her door. If you have a real ghost story or supernatural event to report, please write into our show at http://www.realghoststoriesonline.com/ or call 1-855-853-4802! Want AD-FREE & ADVANCE RELEASE EPISODES? Become a Premium Subscriber Through Apple Podcasts now!!! https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/real-ghost-stories-online/id880791662?mt=2&uo=4&ls=1 Or Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/realghoststories Or Our Website: http://www.ghostpodcast.com/?page_id=118
Discover all of the podcasts in our network, search for specific episodes, get the Optimal Living Daily workbook, and learn more at: OLDPodcast.com. Episode 2964: Dr. Neal explains that recognizing the difference between sharp pain and normal muscle soreness is crucial for safe and effective weight training, especially as we age and naturally lose muscle mass. He reassures that some post-workout soreness is normal and explores the mixed evidence on muscle scraping techniques like the Graston Technique for relieving stiffness. Quotes to ponder: "Pain is dangerous. Discomfort is where you get better." "The bottom line with muscle scraping is that if it's not causing harm, and it seems to help, then go for it." "If you have access to weight machines, then you could try using those for those exercises that caused muscle pain." Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Discover all of the podcasts in our network, search for specific episodes, get the Optimal Living Daily workbook, and learn more at: OLDPodcast.com. Episode 2964: Dr. Neal explains that recognizing the difference between sharp pain and normal muscle soreness is crucial for safe and effective weight training, especially as we age and naturally lose muscle mass. He reassures that some post-workout soreness is normal and explores the mixed evidence on muscle scraping techniques like the Graston Technique for relieving stiffness. Quotes to ponder: "Pain is dangerous. Discomfort is where you get better." "The bottom line with muscle scraping is that if it's not causing harm, and it seems to help, then go for it." "If you have access to weight machines, then you could try using those for those exercises that caused muscle pain." Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Welcome to ohmTown. The Non Sequitur News Show is held live via Twitch and Youtube every day. We, Mayor Watt and the AI that runs ohmTown, cover a selection of aggregated news articles and discuss them briefly with a perspective merging Science, Technology, and Society. You can visit https://www.youtube.com/ohmtown for the complete history since 2022.Articles Discussed:Made in Russiahttps://www.ohmtown.com/groups/mobble/f/d/a-soviet-spacecraft-is-about-to-crash-back-to-earth-after-being-stuck-in-orbit-for-53-years/Medieval Boat Discoveredhttps://www.ohmtown.com/groups/mobble/f/d/see-the-rare-medieval-boat-discovered-over-18-feet-below-sea-level-in-barcelona/Squirrel Dronehttps://www.ohmtown.com/groups/technologytoday/f/d/flying-squirrel-inspired-drone-with-foldable-wings-demonstrates-high-maneuverability/Handshake Speakeasyhttps://www.ohmtown.com/groups/distillerist/f/d/handshake-speakeasy-holds-north-americas-best-bar-title/Scraping the Ocean Floorhttps://www.ohmtown.com/groups/technologytoday/f/d/canadian-firm-makes-first-bid-for-international-seabed-mining-license/3D Printed Starbuckshttps://www.ohmtown.com/groups/technologytoday/f/d/starbucks-new-drive-thru-in-texas-is-the-coffee-giants-first-3d-printed-store-in-the-us/Eavesdroppingshttps://www.ohmtown.com/groups/greenagram/f/d/for-these-bats-eavesdropping-is-a-valuable-learnt-skill/GM Recalls nearly 600,000 Vehicleshttps://www.ohmtown.com/groups/four-wheel-tech/f/d/gm-recalls-nearly-600000-u-s-trucks-and-suvs-after-28000-v8-engines-grenade-themselves/EA Lays off Staff, Cancels Titanfallhttps://www.ohmtown.com/groups/nonsequiturnews/f/d/ea-lays-off-staff-and-cancels-a-titanfall-game/Stop Watermarking Complainthttps://www.ohmtown.com/groups/thewordinlaw/f/d/dragon-lawyers-ordered-by-judge-to-stop-watermarking-their-complaint-with-huge-suit-wearing-dragon/
Sarah McKenna joins me to chat about all things web scraping. We discuss its applications, the evolution of alternative data, and AI's impact on the industry. We also discuss privacy concerns, the challenges of bot blocking, and the importance of data quality. Sarah shares ideas on how to get started with web scraping and the ethical considerations surrounding copyright and data collection.
Ransomware attacks targeting small and medium-sized businesses (SMBs) have reached alarming levels, with a recent UK government survey revealing that 1% of organizations reported such incidents, affecting approximately 19,000 entities. This marks a significant increase from the previous year, highlighting a troubling trend where nation-state actors are increasingly focusing on SMBs due to their often inadequate cybersecurity measures. The survey also indicates a decline in board-level cybersecurity responsibility, with only 27% of businesses having a cyber specialist on their board, down from 38% four years ago. As the frequency of ransomware incidents decreases, the cost per incident is rising, emphasizing the need for resilience-focused security measures.In addition to ransomware, a vulnerability in Google's OAuth system has been exploited by phishers to create sophisticated attacks that mimic legitimate emails from Google. This DKIM replay phishing attack allows hackers to bypass security checks, making it difficult for users to detect scams. A notable case involved a developer receiving a fraudulent email that appeared to be a legitimate security alert. This incident underscores the importance of updating security awareness training, as traditional methods may not adequately prepare users for such advanced phishing techniques.Another significant security concern arose from a flaw in Gladinet's Centristack file-sharing platform, which allows remote code execution due to a deserialization issue linked to hard-coded cryptographic keys. This vulnerability has already been exploited in multiple cases, raising alarms within the cybersecurity community. Gladinet has advised customers to upgrade or change their keys to mitigate potential threats. Additionally, Microsoft acknowledged a flaw in its Intune device management tool that inadvertently allowed unauthorized Windows 11 upgrades, prompting organizations to revert affected devices.On a different note, Wikipedia has partnered with Kaggle to create a machine-readable dataset of its content for training AI models, addressing the challenges posed by content scraping. This initiative aims to manage the rising costs associated with non-human traffic while protecting contributors' rights under Creative Commons licensing. Meanwhile, concerns have emerged regarding the impact of AI on human intelligence, with studies indicating that reliance on AI tools may inhibit critical thinking skills, particularly among younger users. As organizations navigate the complexities of AI integration, the need for resilient systems that can adapt to these changes becomes increasingly critical. Four things to know today 00:00 Ransomware Evolves: Targeting Improves, Board Accountability Wanes, and SMBs Face Growing Geopolitical Risk03:32 Secure by Default? Not This Week — Google, Microsoft, and Gladinet Say Otherwise07:32 Wikipedia Feeds the AI Beast—But Wants to on Its Own Terms10:04 AI Overload: How Education, Cognitive Skills, and Enterprise Strategy Are Buckling Under Pressure Supported by: https://cometbackup.com/?utm_source=mspradio&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=sponsorship https://getflexpoint.com/msp-radio/ All our Sponsors: https://businessof.tech/sponsors/ Do you want the show on your podcast app or the written versions of the stories? Subscribe to the Business of Tech: https://www.businessof.tech/subscribe/Looking for a link from the stories? The entire script of the show, with links to articles, are posted in each story on https://www.businessof.tech/ Support the show on Patreon: https://patreon.com/mspradio/ Want to be a guest on Business of Tech: Daily 10-Minute IT Services Insights? Send Dave Sobel a message on PodMatch, here: https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/businessoftech Want our stuff? Cool Merch? Wear “Why Do We Care?” - Visit https://mspradio.myspreadshop.com Follow us on:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/28908079/YouTube: https://youtube.com/mspradio/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mspradionews/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mspradio/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@businessoftechBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/businessof.tech
Phew, it has been a hot minute! After a 2 year hiatus, Real. Relatable. is back and more refreshed than ever! On this episode, Donna has not one but two guests to join her discussing the growth after marriage, divorce, and challenges in dating. Sometimes the pain we go to to grow can be ugly, but emerging to the other side can be beauty worth the wait. Signs of the universe can be abrupt or more subtle; ultimately, we have to get in tune with ourselves to make sure the decisions we're making are sound and bring out the best versions of us.What are some ways you've grown in or from your past relationships?Instagram:@DonnaJaneen
What are some features of Scraping Browser that can help your automation tests? How does Netflix App Test at Scale? Are AI code reviews replacing human reviewers? Find out in this episode of the Test Guild New Shows for the week of April 20th. So, grab your favorite cup of coffee or tea, and let's do this. 0:16 Scraping Browse Credit https://testguild.me/c5830d 1:16 The future of QA https://links.testguild.com/qakatalon 2:42 AI Human Experiences https://testguild.me/j1jxzm 3:51 Netflix Scale Testing https://testguild.me/yt2z0h 5:06 FinTech Webinar https://testguild.me/7ctfpn 5:47 AI Code Reviews https://testguild.me/1yppos 6:55 Bauplan 7.5M https://testguild.me/m651gz 7:22 Contract as Code https://testguild.me/nx7ybj 8:45 ZAPTEST AI https://testguild.me/ZAPTESTNEWS
It's a late record for Nat and Marc after full work days and getting their holiday plans in order. Talks of Geography, single shot TV projects, and all the joys of Easter Please subscribe, follow, and leave a review. xxx You can find us in all places here; https://podfollow.com/lifewithnat/view INSTA: @natcass1 We're also on Facebook too: https://www.facebook.com/lifewithnatpod A 'Keep It Light Media' Production Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: hello@keepitlightmedia.com SHOW INFO: Life with Nat - it's me! Natalie Cassidy and I'll be chatting away to family, friends and most importantly YOU. I want to pick people's brains on the subjects that I care about- whether that's where all the odd socks go, weight and food or kids on phones. Each week I will be letting you into my life as i chat about my week, share my thoughts on the mundane happenings as well as the serious. I have grown up in the public eye and have never changed because of it. Life with Nat is the podcast for proper people. Come join the community. ♥️ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Join the Four Wards Discord! https://discord.gg/2BAXd8VStA This week, Jax, Freeeshooter, Pillohpet, and CrushU talk about their recent ingame experiences, then they answer a few listener questions! Keep those questions coming to thefourwardspodcast@gmail.com so we can answer them on the show! We NEED more questions! WE'RE OUT!!! Sponsors: We don't have any right now! If you represent a brand and want to sponsor the podcast, send us an email, we'll get you talking to the right people. ---- Please continue to support the podcast by reviewing us on iTunes! We will have more information about patreon/etc in the near future! Links Referenced Join the Four Wards Discord! https://discord.gg/2BAXd8VStA Our Website: https://the-four-wards-podcast.castos.com/ The Four Wards Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/TheFourWardsPodcast Hope you love the episode and please, subscribe on iTunes, leave us reviews, email us, Tweet at us and help us to move this show fourward! Contact information: Email: thefourwardspodcast@gmail.com Twitch: twitch.tv/jaxomen, twitch.tv/crushu, twitch.tv/1_witch_1, twitch.tv/freeeshooter, twitch.tv/arkryu, twitch.tv/pillohpet, twitch.tv/mikeofmanynames
In Part 2 of this powerful series, Jeni Hott and host Dwayne Carrigan dive deep into the mindset and mechanics behind magnetic marketing. Jeni unpacks why traditional strategies fail, how to simplify your sales funnel, and how to shift from desperation to authority in your messaging. She breaks down the types of social media posts that actually convert, explains her timeline-based client targeting strategy, and shares how to create a "content vault" that makes your marketing repeatable and scalable.Jeni also addresses the rise of AI and how business owners can use ChatGPT and custom GPTs to build systems, streamline operations, and reclaim their time—without losing their personal touch.Timestamps:00:00 – Marketing from angst vs. marketing from leadership02:30 – Understanding "objection posts" and sales page content05:00 – FAB (Features, Advantages, Benefits) and storytelling in marketing07:30 – Jeni's “client timeline” strategy vs. the traditional avatar model10:00 – The power of targeting tipping points for high-converting offers12:00 – Why you don't need to convince when you're speaking with conviction13:30 – Building a content vault to reflect customer buying moments15:00 – Creating a seasonal content calendar that predicts conversions16:30 – Should a VA or OBM manage your social content? Yes—if trained well18:30 – The danger of hiring without understanding the basics20:00 – The Time Rich program and its holistic business foundations23:30 – Embracing social media instead of avoiding it26:00 – Staying in your lane and not chasing online trends29:00 – Avoiding distractions: Focus on purpose, not reaction31:00 – AI tools: ChatGPT, Poe, custom GPTs & what's coming next35:00 – Household bots & humanoid robotics on the near horizon38:00 – How to create a custom GPT tailored to your business42:00 – AI learning and the “unconscious competence” advantage45:00 – Singularity and AI as human evolution, not a threat47:00 – Algorithm hacks vs. adding true value to your audience50:00 – Using engagement posts to boost algorithm reach53:00 – How to analyze comments and reels with ChatGPT55:30 – Scraping content and training AI on what's working58:00 – 6 key post types and why simplicity wins in content strategy01:01:00 – Final thoughts: embrace, optimize, empower your teamNotable Quotes:"You don't need to convince when you come from conviction. That's when magic happens.""Most people aren't your ideal client—they're just not far enough along the timeline yet.""Complexity is the enemy of execution. Simplify, then scale.""AI is not going away. You don't need to master it overnight, but you do need to start.""Your people can't help you scale unless you empower them with knowledge and tools."Valuable Resources & Takeaways:Core Post Types Jeni Recommends:Value PostsObjection PostsStory PostsEngagement PostsProblem Awareness PostsAI Tools Mentioned:ChatGPT – Jeni's favorite tool for custom GPT creation and business system building Poe – Alternate AI tool used by many entrepreneursCustom GPTs – Can be trained to match your brand...
AI Applied: Covering AI News, Interviews and Tools - ChatGPT, Midjourney, Runway, Poe, Anthropic
In this episode, Jaeden explores the latest updates to Claude, Anthropic's AI tool, which now includes web scraping capabilities. He examines how this new feature impacts users, competitors, and the broader AI landscape, particularly in comparison to tools like ChatGPT and Perplexity. The discussion also dives into the technical side, revealing how Claude is powered by Brave and what this means for the future of AI-driven search and information retrieval.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Claude's New Features02:47 The Evolution of AI Search Capabilities06:00 Impact on Competitors and Market Dynamics08:45 Brave Search Integration and Future ProspectsAI Applied YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@AI-Applied-PodcastGet on the AI Box Waitlist: https://AIBox.ai/Conor's AI Course: https://www.ai-mindset.ai/coursesConor's AI Newsletter: https://www.ai-mindset.ai/Jaeden's AI Hustle Community: https://www.skool.com/aihustle/about
What dental care practices are helpful and which are overly hyped? Is it a good idea to use oral exercise devices? What about tongue scraping and flossing? What should we look out for when it comes to toothpaste and mouthwash? Dr. Dominik Nischwitz, author of It's All in Your Mouth, highlights what is best for strong healthy teeth and a beautiful smile. He separates fact from fiction. He goes over how to cultivate a healthy oral microbiome and he also addresses the issue of "leaky gums". And he leaves us with three key questions to ask ourselves to help determine if our health concerns could be related to oral health. Visit Dr. Dominik's website: DrDomeOfficial.com Join the Weston A. Price Foundation email list HERE Check out our sponsors: Rosita and Hearth and Homestead
Nat and Marc clink glasses and take a moment to reflect and revisit the first 100 episodes Please subscribe, follow, and leave a review. xxx You can find us in all places here; https://podfollow.com/lifewithnat/view INSTA: @natcass1 We're also on Facebook too: https://www.facebook.com/lifewithnatpod A 'Keep It Light Media' Production Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: hello@keepitlightmedia.com SHOW INFO: Life with Nat - it's me! Natalie Cassidy and I'll be chatting away to family, friends and most importantly YOU. I want to pick people's brains on the subjects that I care about- whether that's where all the odd socks go, weight and food or kids on phones. Each week I will be letting you into my life as i chat about my week, share my thoughts on the mundane happenings as well as the serious. I have grown up in the public eye and have never changed because of it. Life with Nat is the podcast for proper people. Come join the community. ♥️ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Hurts More Than the Yank. One pull per nostril. You Get NO Ooga, NO Chaka & NO Lt Yar! Yank It Out Wax Deal. Froggy Peen. A Moment Of Silence For Clare. Getting the Light at both ends. It's Neither A Pap Nor A Smear... DISCUSS! Men are wusses, women are awesome. The moment I said COW! Manipulabubble. Can't talk, more coffee. In the name of 2025. Yank it and be done the first time! LEAVE RICK ASTLEY ALONE and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Hurts More Than the Yank. One pull per nostril. You Get NO Ooga, NO Chaka & NO Lt Yar! Yank It Out Wax Deal. Froggy Peen. A Moment Of Silence For Clare. Getting the Light at both ends. It's Neither A Pap Nor A Smear... DISCUSS! Men are wusses, women are awesome. The moment I said COW! Manipulabubble. Can't talk, more coffee. In the name of 2025. Yank it and be done the first time! LEAVE RICK ASTLEY ALONE and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Think oral health is just about cavities? Think again. Dr. Namrata Patel breaks down how your mouth influences digestion, sleep, & even hormone balance. Get expert insights on holistic dentistry, the dangers of mouth breathing, & how small daily habits can transform your health from the inside out on today's episode on 'Holistic Oral Health Care' Meet our guest Dr. Nammy Patel, DDS, is a holistic dentist dedicated to patient health & environmentally conscious dentistry. Born in India & raised in the U.S., she founded Green Dentistry in 2005, San Francisco's first eco-friendly dental practice. Her LEED-certified office uses safe materials, energy-efficient systems, & sustainable practices to minimize environmental impact. A graduate of USC's School of Dentistry, Dr. Nammy turned down conventional roles to create a practice that prioritizes both health & sustainability. She is also the author of Age With Style & is developing a nonprofit to promote greener dentistry in India Thank you to our partners Outliyr Biohacker's Peak Performance Shop: get exclusive discounts on cutting-edge health, wellness, & performance gear Ultimate Health Optimization Deals: a roundup article of all the best current deals on technology, supplements, systems and more Gain mental clarity, energy, motivation, and focus with the FREE Outliyr Nootropics Mini-Course The simple, guided, and actionable Outliyr Longevity Challenge helps you unlock your longevity potential, slow biological aging, and maximize your healthspan Key takeaways Diagnose diseases like heart attack & diabetes by examining the mouth, according to Ayurvedic practices Mouth breathing leads to sleep apnea & other health issues, while nasal breathing produces beneficial nitric oxide Breathing through the nose aids in converting oxygen to nitric oxide, improving bodily functions & hormone regulation Using mouth tape reduces mouth breathing & improves sleep quality Simple exercises like sticking your tongue out while driving improves tongue health Using coconut oil in the mouth detoxes the body by binding toxins A Waterpik is favored over traditional floss for oral care & works well with hydrogen peroxide or ozonated water The tongue's position impacts breathing & health, with regular exercises maintaining its function Episode Highlights 6:22 Oral Health & Its Connection to Systemic Health 11:22 Tongue Position & Peak Performance 13:36 DIY Oral Health Practices & Breathing Exercises 26:07 Oil Pulling & Mouthwashing Techniques Links Watch it on YouTube: https://youtu.be/VnjOQrlB3-g Full episode show notes: mindbodypeak.com/200 Connect with Nick on social media Instagram Twitter YouTube LinkedIn Easy ways to support Subscribe Leave an Apple Podcast review Suggest a guest Do you have questions, thoughts, or feedback for us? Let me know in the show notes above and one of us will get back to you! Be an Outliyr, Nick
Nat and Marc are back behind the microphones with a big talk through the Eastenders Live episode and all the changes that Nat's departure from the show will bring. What's next for Nat? Watch this space! Please subscribe, follow, and leave a review. xxx You can find us in all places here; https://podfollow.com/lifewithnat/view INSTA: @natcass1 We're also on Facebook too: https://www.facebook.com/lifewithnatpod A 'Keep It Light Media' Production Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: hello@keepitlightmedia.com SHOW INFO: Life with Nat - it's me! Natalie Cassidy and I'll be chatting away to family, friends and most importantly YOU. I want to pick people's brains on the subjects that I care about- whether that's where all the odd socks go, weight and food or kids on phones. Each week I will be letting you into my life as i chat about my week, share my thoughts on the mundane happenings as well as the serious. I have grown up in the public eye and have never changed because of it. Life with Nat is the podcast for proper people. Come join the community. ♥️ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Today's episode is with Paul Klein, founder of Browserbase. We talked about building browser infrastructure for AI agents, the future of agent authentication, and their open source framework Stagehand.* [00:00:00] Introductions* [00:04:46] AI-specific challenges in browser infrastructure* [00:07:05] Multimodality in AI-Powered Browsing* [00:12:26] Running headless browsers at scale* [00:18:46] Geolocation when proxying* [00:21:25] CAPTCHAs and Agent Auth* [00:28:21] Building “User take over” functionality* [00:33:43] Stagehand: AI web browsing framework* [00:38:58] OpenAI's Operator and computer use agents* [00:44:44] Surprising use cases of Browserbase* [00:47:18] Future of browser automation and market competition* [00:53:11] Being a solo founderTranscriptAlessio [00:00:04]: Hey everyone, welcome to the Latent Space podcast. This is Alessio, partner and CTO at Decibel Partners, and I'm joined by my co-host Swyx, founder of Smol.ai.swyx [00:00:12]: Hey, and today we are very blessed to have our friends, Paul Klein, for the fourth, the fourth, CEO of Browserbase. Welcome.Paul [00:00:21]: Thanks guys. Yeah, I'm happy to be here. I've been lucky to know both of you for like a couple of years now, I think. So it's just like we're hanging out, you know, with three ginormous microphones in front of our face. It's totally normal hangout.swyx [00:00:34]: Yeah. We've actually mentioned you on the podcast, I think, more often than any other Solaris tenant. Just because like you're one of the, you know, best performing, I think, LLM tool companies that have started up in the last couple of years.Paul [00:00:50]: Yeah, I mean, it's been a whirlwind of a year, like Browserbase is actually pretty close to our first birthday. So we are one years old. And going from, you know, starting a company as a solo founder to... To, you know, having a team of 20 people, you know, a series A, but also being able to support hundreds of AI companies that are building AI applications that go out and automate the web. It's just been like, really cool. It's been happening a little too fast. I think like collectively as an AI industry, let's just take a week off together. I took my first vacation actually two weeks ago, and Operator came out on the first day, and then a week later, DeepSeat came out. And I'm like on vacation trying to chill. I'm like, we got to build with this stuff, right? So it's been a breakneck year. But I'm super happy to be here and like talk more about all the stuff we're seeing. And I'd love to hear kind of what you guys are excited about too, and share with it, you know?swyx [00:01:39]: Where to start? So people, you've done a bunch of podcasts. I think I strongly recommend Jack Bridger's Scaling DevTools, as well as Turner Novak's The Peel. And, you know, I'm sure there's others. So you covered your Twilio story in the past, talked about StreamClub, you got acquired to Mux, and then you left to start Browserbase. So maybe we just start with what is Browserbase? Yeah.Paul [00:02:02]: Browserbase is the web browser for your AI. We're building headless browser infrastructure, which are browsers that run in a server environment that's accessible to developers via APIs and SDKs. It's really hard to run a web browser in the cloud. You guys are probably running Chrome on your computers, and that's using a lot of resources, right? So if you want to run a web browser or thousands of web browsers, you can't just spin up a bunch of lambdas. You actually need to use a secure containerized environment. You have to scale it up and down. It's a stateful system. And that infrastructure is, like, super painful. And I know that firsthand, because at my last company, StreamClub, I was CTO, and I was building our own internal headless browser infrastructure. That's actually why we sold the company, is because Mux really wanted to buy our headless browser infrastructure that we'd built. And it's just a super hard problem. And I actually told my co-founders, I would never start another company unless it was a browser infrastructure company. And it turns out that's really necessary in the age of AI, when AI can actually go out and interact with websites, click on buttons, fill in forms. You need AI to do all of that work in an actual browser running somewhere on a server. And BrowserBase powers that.swyx [00:03:08]: While you're talking about it, it occurred to me, not that you're going to be acquired or anything, but it occurred to me that it would be really funny if you became the Nikita Beer of headless browser companies. You just have one trick, and you make browser companies that get acquired.Paul [00:03:23]: I truly do only have one trick. I'm screwed if it's not for headless browsers. I'm not a Go programmer. You know, I'm in AI grant. You know, browsers is an AI grant. But we were the only company in that AI grant batch that used zero dollars on AI spend. You know, we're purely an infrastructure company. So as much as people want to ask me about reinforcement learning, I might not be the best guy to talk about that. But if you want to ask about headless browser infrastructure at scale, I can talk your ear off. So that's really my area of expertise. And it's a pretty niche thing. Like, nobody has done what we're doing at scale before. So we're happy to be the experts.swyx [00:03:59]: You do have an AI thing, stagehand. We can talk about the sort of core of browser-based first, and then maybe stagehand. Yeah, stagehand is kind of the web browsing framework. Yeah.What is Browserbase? Headless Browser Infrastructure ExplainedAlessio [00:04:10]: Yeah. Yeah. And maybe how you got to browser-based and what problems you saw. So one of the first things I worked on as a software engineer was integration testing. Sauce Labs was kind of like the main thing at the time. And then we had Selenium, we had Playbrite, we had all these different browser things. But it's always been super hard to do. So obviously you've worked on this before. When you started browser-based, what were the challenges? What were the AI-specific challenges that you saw versus, there's kind of like all the usual running browser at scale in the cloud, which has been a problem for years. What are like the AI unique things that you saw that like traditional purchase just didn't cover? Yeah.AI-specific challenges in browser infrastructurePaul [00:04:46]: First and foremost, I think back to like the first thing I did as a developer, like as a kid when I was writing code, I wanted to write code that did stuff for me. You know, I wanted to write code to automate my life. And I do that probably by using curl or beautiful soup to fetch data from a web browser. And I think I still do that now that I'm in the cloud. And the other thing that I think is a huge challenge for me is that you can't just create a web site and parse that data. And we all know that now like, you know, taking HTML and plugging that into an LLM, you can extract insights, you can summarize. So it was very clear that now like dynamic web scraping became very possible with the rise of large language models or a lot easier. And that was like a clear reason why there's been more usage of headless browsers, which are necessary because a lot of modern websites don't expose all of their page content via a simple HTTP request. You know, they actually do require you to run this type of code for a specific time. JavaScript on the page to hydrate this. Airbnb is a great example. You go to airbnb.com. A lot of that content on the page isn't there until after they run the initial hydration. So you can't just scrape it with a curl. You need to have some JavaScript run. And a browser is that JavaScript engine that's going to actually run all those requests on the page. So web data retrieval was definitely one driver of starting BrowserBase and the rise of being able to summarize that within LLM. Also, I was familiar with if I wanted to automate a website, I could write one script and that would work for one website. It was very static and deterministic. But the web is non-deterministic. The web is always changing. And until we had LLMs, there was no way to write scripts that you could write once that would run on any website. That would change with the structure of the website. Click the login button. It could mean something different on many different websites. And LLMs allow us to generate code on the fly to actually control that. So I think that rise of writing the generic automation scripts that can work on many different websites, to me, made it clear that browsers are going to be a lot more useful because now you can automate a lot more things without writing. If you wanted to write a script to book a demo call on 100 websites, previously, you had to write 100 scripts. Now you write one script that uses LLMs to generate that script. That's why we built our web browsing framework, StageHand, which does a lot of that work for you. But those two things, web data collection and then enhanced automation of many different websites, it just felt like big drivers for more browser infrastructure that would be required to power these kinds of features.Alessio [00:07:05]: And was multimodality also a big thing?Paul [00:07:08]: Now you can use the LLMs to look, even though the text in the dome might not be as friendly. Maybe my hot take is I was always kind of like, I didn't think vision would be as big of a driver. For UI automation, I felt like, you know, HTML is structured text and large language models are good with structured text. But it's clear that these computer use models are often vision driven, and they've been really pushing things forward. So definitely being multimodal, like rendering the page is required to take a screenshot to give that to a computer use model to take actions on a website. And it's just another win for browser. But I'll be honest, that wasn't what I was thinking early on. I didn't even think that we'd get here so fast with multimodality. I think we're going to have to get back to multimodal and vision models.swyx [00:07:50]: This is one of those things where I forgot to mention in my intro that I'm an investor in Browserbase. And I remember that when you pitched to me, like a lot of the stuff that we have today, we like wasn't on the original conversation. But I did have my original thesis was something that we've talked about on the podcast before, which is take the GPT store, the custom GPT store, all the every single checkbox and plugin is effectively a startup. And this was the browser one. I think the main hesitation, I think I actually took a while to get back to you. The main hesitation was that there were others. Like you're not the first hit list browser startup. It's not even your first hit list browser startup. There's always a question of like, will you be the category winner in a place where there's a bunch of incumbents, to be honest, that are bigger than you? They're just not targeted at the AI space. They don't have the backing of Nat Friedman. And there's a bunch of like, you're here in Silicon Valley. They're not. I don't know.Paul [00:08:47]: I don't know if that's, that was it, but like, there was a, yeah, I mean, like, I think I tried all the other ones and I was like, really disappointed. Like my background is from working at great developer tools, companies, and nothing had like the Vercel like experience. Um, like our biggest competitor actually is partly owned by private equity and they just jacked up their prices quite a bit. And the dashboard hasn't changed in five years. And I actually used them at my last company and tried them and I was like, oh man, like there really just needs to be something that's like the experience of these great infrastructure companies, like Stripe, like clerk, like Vercel that I use in love, but oriented towards this kind of like more specific category, which is browser infrastructure, which is really technically complex. Like a lot of stuff can go wrong on the internet when you're running a browser. The internet is very vast. There's a lot of different configurations. Like there's still websites that only work with internet explorer out there. How do you handle that when you're running your own browser infrastructure? These are the problems that we have to think about and solve at BrowserBase. And it's, it's certainly a labor of love, but I built this for me, first and foremost, I know it's super cheesy and everyone says that for like their startups, but it really, truly was for me. If you look at like the talks I've done even before BrowserBase, and I'm just like really excited to try and build a category defining infrastructure company. And it's, it's rare to have a new category of infrastructure exists. We're here in the Chroma offices and like, you know, vector databases is a new category of infrastructure. Is it, is it, I mean, we can, we're in their office, so, you know, we can, we can debate that one later. That is one.Multimodality in AI-Powered Browsingswyx [00:10:16]: That's one of the industry debates.Paul [00:10:17]: I guess we go back to the LLMOS talk that Karpathy gave way long ago. And like the browser box was very clearly there and it seemed like the people who were building in this space also agreed that browsers are a core primitive of infrastructure for the LLMOS that's going to exist in the future. And nobody was building something there that I wanted to use. So I had to go build it myself.swyx [00:10:38]: Yeah. I mean, exactly that talk that, that honestly, that diagram, every box is a startup and there's the code box and then there's the. The browser box. I think at some point they will start clashing there. There's always the question of the, are you a point solution or are you the sort of all in one? And I think the point solutions tend to win quickly, but then the only ones have a very tight cohesive experience. Yeah. Let's talk about just the hard problems of browser base you have on your website, which is beautiful. Thank you. Was there an agency that you used for that? Yeah. Herb.paris.Paul [00:11:11]: They're amazing. Herb.paris. Yeah. It's H-E-R-V-E. I highly recommend for developers. Developer tools, founders to work with consumer agencies because they end up building beautiful things and the Parisians know how to build beautiful interfaces. So I got to give prep.swyx [00:11:24]: And chat apps, apparently are, they are very fast. Oh yeah. The Mistral chat. Yeah. Mistral. Yeah.Paul [00:11:31]: Late chat.swyx [00:11:31]: Late chat. And then your videos as well, it was professionally shot, right? The series A video. Yeah.Alessio [00:11:36]: Nico did the videos. He's amazing. Not the initial video that you shot at the new one. First one was Austin.Paul [00:11:41]: Another, another video pretty surprised. But yeah, I mean, like, I think when you think about how you talk about your company. You have to think about the way you present yourself. It's, you know, as a developer, you think you evaluate a company based on like the API reliability and the P 95, but a lot of developers say, is the website good? Is the message clear? Do I like trust this founder? I'm building my whole feature on. So I've tried to nail that as well as like the reliability of the infrastructure. You're right. It's very hard. And there's a lot of kind of foot guns that you run into when running headless browsers at scale. Right.Competing with Existing Headless Browser Solutionsswyx [00:12:10]: So let's pick one. You have eight features here. Seamless integration. Scalability. Fast or speed. Secure. Observable. Stealth. That's interesting. Extensible and developer first. What comes to your mind as like the top two, three hardest ones? Yeah.Running headless browsers at scalePaul [00:12:26]: I think just running headless browsers at scale is like the hardest one. And maybe can I nerd out for a second? Is that okay? I heard this is a technical audience, so I'll talk to the other nerds. Whoa. They were listening. Yeah. They're upset. They're ready. The AGI is angry. Okay. So. So how do you run a browser in the cloud? Let's start with that, right? So let's say you're using a popular browser automation framework like Puppeteer, Playwright, and Selenium. Maybe you've written a code, some code locally on your computer that opens up Google. It finds the search bar and then types in, you know, search for Latent Space and hits the search button. That script works great locally. You can see the little browser open up. You want to take that to production. You want to run the script in a cloud environment. So when your laptop is closed, your browser is doing something. The browser is doing something. Well, I, we use Amazon. You can see the little browser open up. You know, the first thing I'd reach for is probably like some sort of serverless infrastructure. I would probably try and deploy on a Lambda. But Chrome itself is too big to run on a Lambda. It's over 250 megabytes. So you can't easily start it on a Lambda. So you maybe have to use something like Lambda layers to squeeze it in there. Maybe use a different Chromium build that's lighter. And you get it on the Lambda. Great. It works. But it runs super slowly. It's because Lambdas are very like resource limited. They only run like with one vCPU. You can run one process at a time. Remember, Chromium is super beefy. It's barely running on my MacBook Air. I'm still downloading it from a pre-run. Yeah, from the test earlier, right? I'm joking. But it's big, you know? So like Lambda, it just won't work really well. Maybe it'll work, but you need something faster. Your users want something faster. Okay. Well, let's put it on a beefier instance. Let's get an EC2 server running. Let's throw Chromium on there. Great. Okay. I can, that works well with one user. But what if I want to run like 10 Chromium instances, one for each of my users? Okay. Well, I might need two EC2 instances. Maybe 10. All of a sudden, you have multiple EC2 instances. This sounds like a problem for Kubernetes and Docker, right? Now, all of a sudden, you're using ECS or EKS, the Kubernetes or container solutions by Amazon. You're spending up and down containers, and you're spending a whole engineer's time on kind of maintaining this stateful distributed system. Those are some of the worst systems to run because when it's a stateful distributed system, it means that you are bound by the connections to that thing. You have to keep the browser open while someone is working with it, right? That's just a painful architecture to run. And there's all this other little gotchas with Chromium, like Chromium, which is the open source version of Chrome, by the way. You have to install all these fonts. You want emojis working in your browsers because your vision model is looking for the emoji. You need to make sure you have the emoji fonts. You need to make sure you have all the right extensions configured, like, oh, do you want ad blocking? How do you configure that? How do you actually record all these browser sessions? Like it's a headless browser. You can't look at it. So you need to have some sort of observability. Maybe you're recording videos and storing those somewhere. It all kind of adds up to be this just giant monster piece of your project when all you wanted to do was run a lot of browsers in production for this little script to go to google.com and search. And when I see a complex distributed system, I see an opportunity to build a great infrastructure company. And we really abstract that away with Browserbase where our customers can use these existing frameworks, Playwright, Publisher, Selenium, or our own stagehand and connect to our browsers in a serverless-like way. And control them, and then just disconnect when they're done. And they don't have to think about the complex distributed system behind all of that. They just get a browser running anywhere, anytime. Really easy to connect to.swyx [00:15:55]: I'm sure you have questions. My standard question with anything, so essentially you're a serverless browser company, and there's been other serverless things that I'm familiar with in the past, serverless GPUs, serverless website hosting. That's where I come from with Netlify. One question is just like, you promised to spin up thousands of servers. You promised to spin up thousands of browsers in milliseconds. I feel like there's no real solution that does that yet. And I'm just kind of curious how. The only solution I know, which is to kind of keep a kind of warm pool of servers around, which is expensive, but maybe not so expensive because it's just CPUs. So I'm just like, you know. Yeah.Browsers as a Core Primitive in AI InfrastructurePaul [00:16:36]: You nailed it, right? I mean, how do you offer a serverless-like experience with something that is clearly not serverless, right? And the answer is, you need to be able to run... We run many browsers on single nodes. We use Kubernetes at browser base. So we have many pods that are being scheduled. We have to predictably schedule them up or down. Yes, thousands of browsers in milliseconds is the best case scenario. If you hit us with 10,000 requests, you may hit a slower cold start, right? So we've done a lot of work on predictive scaling and being able to kind of route stuff to different regions where we have multiple regions of browser base where we have different pools available. You can also pick the region you want to go to based on like lower latency, round trip, time latency. It's very important with these types of things. There's a lot of requests going over the wire. So for us, like having a VM like Firecracker powering everything under the hood allows us to be super nimble and spin things up or down really quickly with strong multi-tenancy. But in the end, this is like the complex infrastructural challenges that we have to kind of deal with at browser base. And we have a lot more stuff on our roadmap to allow customers to have more levers to pull to exchange, do you want really fast browser startup times or do you want really low costs? And if you're willing to be more flexible on that, we may be able to kind of like work better for your use cases.swyx [00:17:44]: Since you used Firecracker, shouldn't Fargate do that for you or did you have to go lower level than that? We had to go lower level than that.Paul [00:17:51]: I find this a lot with Fargate customers, which is alarming for Fargate. We used to be a giant Fargate customer. Actually, the first version of browser base was ECS and Fargate. And unfortunately, it's a great product. I think we were actually the largest Fargate customer in our region for a little while. No, what? Yeah, seriously. And unfortunately, it's a great product, but I think if you're an infrastructure company, you actually have to have a deeper level of control over these primitives. I think it's the same thing is true with databases. We've used other database providers and I think-swyx [00:18:21]: Yeah, serverless Postgres.Paul [00:18:23]: Shocker. When you're an infrastructure company, you're on the hook if any provider has an outage. And I can't tell my customers like, hey, we went down because so-and-so went down. That's not acceptable. So for us, we've really moved to bringing things internally. It's kind of opposite of what we preach. We tell our customers, don't build this in-house, but then we're like, we build a lot of stuff in-house. But I think it just really depends on what is in the critical path. We try and have deep ownership of that.Alessio [00:18:46]: On the distributed location side, how does that work for the web where you might get sort of different content in different locations, but the customer is expecting, you know, if you're in the US, I'm expecting the US version. But if you're spinning up my browser in France, I might get the French version. Yeah.Paul [00:19:02]: Yeah. That's a good question. Well, generally, like on the localization, there is a thing called locale in the browser. You can set like what your locale is. If you're like in the ENUS browser or not, but some things do IP, IP based routing. And in that case, you may want to have a proxy. Like let's say you're running something in the, in Europe, but you want to make sure you're showing up from the US. You may want to use one of our proxy features so you can turn on proxies to say like, make sure these connections always come from the United States, which is necessary too, because when you're browsing the web, you're coming from like a, you know, data center IP, and that can make things a lot harder to browse web. So we do have kind of like this proxy super network. Yeah. We have a proxy for you based on where you're going, so you can reliably automate the web. But if you get scheduled in Europe, that doesn't happen as much. We try and schedule you as close to, you know, your origin that you're trying to go to. But generally you have control over the regions you can put your browsers in. So you can specify West one or East one or Europe. We only have one region of Europe right now, actually. Yeah.Alessio [00:19:55]: What's harder, the browser or the proxy? I feel like to me, it feels like actually proxying reliably at scale. It's much harder than spending up browsers at scale. I'm curious. It's all hard.Paul [00:20:06]: It's layers of hard, right? Yeah. I think it's different levels of hard. I think the thing with the proxy infrastructure is that we work with many different web proxy providers and some are better than others. Some have good days, some have bad days. And our customers who've built browser infrastructure on their own, they have to go and deal with sketchy actors. Like first they figure out their own browser infrastructure and then they got to go buy a proxy. And it's like you can pay in Bitcoin and it just kind of feels a little sus, right? It's like you're buying drugs when you're trying to get a proxy online. We have like deep relationships with these counterparties. We're able to audit them and say, is this proxy being sourced ethically? Like it's not running on someone's TV somewhere. Is it free range? Yeah. Free range organic proxies, right? Right. We do a level of diligence. We're SOC 2. So we have to understand what is going on here. But then we're able to make sure that like we route around proxy providers not working. There's proxy providers who will just, the proxy will stop working all of a sudden. And then if you don't have redundant proxying on your own browsers, that's hard down for you or you may get some serious impacts there. With us, like we intelligently know, hey, this proxy is not working. Let's go to this one. And you can kind of build a network of multiple providers to really guarantee the best uptime for our customers. Yeah. So you don't own any proxies? We don't own any proxies. You're right. The team has been saying who wants to like take home a little proxy server, but not yet. We're not there yet. You know?swyx [00:21:25]: It's a very mature market. I don't think you should build that yourself. Like you should just be a super customer of them. Yeah. Scraping, I think, is the main use case for that. I guess. Well, that leads us into CAPTCHAs and also off, but let's talk about CAPTCHAs. You had a little spiel that you wanted to talk about CAPTCHA stuff.Challenges of Scaling Browser InfrastructurePaul [00:21:43]: Oh, yeah. I was just, I think a lot of people ask, if you're thinking about proxies, you're thinking about CAPTCHAs too. I think it's the same thing. You can go buy CAPTCHA solvers online, but it's the same buying experience. It's some sketchy website, you have to integrate it. It's not fun to buy these things and you can't really trust that the docs are bad. What Browserbase does is we integrate a bunch of different CAPTCHAs. We do some stuff in-house, but generally we just integrate with a bunch of known vendors and continually monitor and maintain these things and say, is this working or not? Can we route around it or not? These are CAPTCHA solvers. CAPTCHA solvers, yeah. Not CAPTCHA providers, CAPTCHA solvers. Yeah, sorry. CAPTCHA solvers. We really try and make sure all of that works for you. I think as a dev, if I'm buying infrastructure, I want it all to work all the time and it's important for us to provide that experience by making sure everything does work and monitoring it on our own. Yeah. Right now, the world of CAPTCHAs is tricky. I think AI agents in particular are very much ahead of the internet infrastructure. CAPTCHAs are designed to block all types of bots, but there are now good bots and bad bots. I think in the future, CAPTCHAs will be able to identify who a good bot is, hopefully via some sort of KYC. For us, we've been very lucky. We have very little to no known abuse of Browserbase because we really look into who we work with. And for certain types of CAPTCHA solving, we only allow them on certain types of plans because we want to make sure that we can know what people are doing, what their use cases are. And that's really allowed us to try and be an arbiter of good bots, which is our long term goal. I want to build great relationships with people like Cloudflare so we can agree, hey, here are these acceptable bots. We'll identify them for you and make sure we flag when they come to your website. This is a good bot, you know?Alessio [00:23:23]: I see. And Cloudflare said they want to do more of this. So they're going to set by default, if they think you're an AI bot, they're going to reject. I'm curious if you think this is something that is going to be at the browser level or I mean, the DNS level with Cloudflare seems more where it should belong. But I'm curious how you think about it.Paul [00:23:40]: I think the web's going to change. You know, I think that the Internet as we have it right now is going to change. And we all need to just accept that the cat is out of the bag. And instead of kind of like wishing the Internet was like it was in the 2000s, we can have free content line that wouldn't be scraped. It's just it's not going to happen. And instead, we should think about like, one, how can we change? How can we change the models of, you know, information being published online so people can adequately commercialize it? But two, how do we rebuild applications that expect that AI agents are going to log in on their behalf? Those are the things that are going to allow us to kind of like identify good and bad bots. And I think the team at Clerk has been doing a really good job with this on the authentication side. I actually think that auth is the biggest thing that will prevent agents from accessing stuff, not captchas. And I think there will be agent auth in the future. I don't know if it's going to happen from an individual company, but actually authentication providers that have a, you know, hidden login as agent feature, which will then you put in your email, you'll get a push notification, say like, hey, your browser-based agent wants to log into your Airbnb. You can approve that and then the agent can proceed. That really circumvents the need for captchas or logging in as you and sharing your password. I think agent auth is going to be one way we identify good bots going forward. And I think a lot of this captcha solving stuff is really short-term problems as the internet kind of reorients itself around how it's going to work with agents browsing the web, just like people do. Yeah.Managing Distributed Browser Locations and Proxiesswyx [00:24:59]: Stitch recently was on Hacker News for talking about agent experience, AX, which is a thing that Netlify is also trying to clone and coin and talk about. And we've talked about this on our previous episodes before in a sense that I actually think that's like maybe the only part of the tech stack that needs to be kind of reinvented for agents. Everything else can stay the same, CLIs, APIs, whatever. But auth, yeah, we need agent auth. And it's mostly like short-lived, like it should not, it should be a distinct, identity from the human, but paired. I almost think like in the same way that every social network should have your main profile and then your alt accounts or your Finsta, it's almost like, you know, every, every human token should be paired with the agent token and the agent token can go and do stuff on behalf of the human token, but not be presumed to be the human. Yeah.Paul [00:25:48]: It's like, it's, it's actually very similar to OAuth is what I'm thinking. And, you know, Thread from Stitch is an investor, Colin from Clerk, Octaventures, all investors in browser-based because like, I hope they solve this because they'll make browser-based submission more possible. So we don't have to overcome all these hurdles, but I think it will be an OAuth-like flow where an agent will ask to log in as you, you'll approve the scopes. Like it can book an apartment on Airbnb, but it can't like message anybody. And then, you know, the agent will have some sort of like role-based access control within an application. Yeah. I'm excited for that.swyx [00:26:16]: The tricky part is just, there's one, one layer of delegation here, which is like, you're authoring my user's user or something like that. I don't know if that's tricky or not. Does that make sense? Yeah.Paul [00:26:25]: You know, actually at Twilio, I worked on the login identity and access. Management teams, right? So like I built Twilio's login page.swyx [00:26:31]: You were an intern on that team and then you became the lead in two years? Yeah.Paul [00:26:34]: Yeah. I started as an intern in 2016 and then I was the tech lead of that team. How? That's not normal. I didn't have a life. He's not normal. Look at this guy. I didn't have a girlfriend. I just loved my job. I don't know. I applied to 500 internships for my first job and I got rejected from every single one of them except for Twilio and then eventually Amazon. And they took a shot on me and like, I was getting paid money to write code, which was my dream. Yeah. Yeah. I'm very lucky that like this coding thing worked out because I was going to be doing it regardless. And yeah, I was able to kind of spend a lot of time on a team that was growing at a company that was growing. So it informed a lot of this stuff here. I think these are problems that have been solved with like the SAML protocol with SSO. I think it's a really interesting stuff with like WebAuthn, like these different types of authentication, like schemes that you can use to authenticate people. The tooling is all there. It just needs to be tweaked a little bit to work for agents. And I think the fact that there are companies that are already. Providing authentication as a service really sets it up. Well, the thing that's hard is like reinventing the internet for agents. We don't want to rebuild the internet. That's an impossible task. And I think people often say like, well, we'll have this second layer of APIs built for agents. I'm like, we will for the top use cases, but instead of we can just tweak the internet as is, which is on the authentication side, I think we're going to be the dumb ones going forward. Unfortunately, I think AI is going to be able to do a lot of the tasks that we do online, which means that it will be able to go to websites, click buttons on our behalf and log in on our behalf too. So with this kind of like web agent future happening, I think with some small structural changes, like you said, it feels like it could all slot in really nicely with the existing internet.Handling CAPTCHAs and Agent Authenticationswyx [00:28:08]: There's one more thing, which is the, your live view iframe, which lets you take, take control. Yeah. Obviously very key for operator now, but like, was, is there anything interesting technically there or that the people like, well, people always want this.Paul [00:28:21]: It was really hard to build, you know, like, so, okay. Headless browsers, you don't see them, right. They're running. They're running in a cloud somewhere. You can't like look at them. And I just want to really make, it's a weird name. I wish we came up with a better name for this thing, but you can't see them. Right. But customers don't trust AI agents, right. At least the first pass. So what we do with our live view is that, you know, when you use browser base, you can actually embed a live view of the browser running in the cloud for your customer to see it working. And that's what the first reason is the build trust, like, okay, so I have this script. That's going to go automate a website. I can embed it into my web application via an iframe and my customer can watch. I think. And then we added two way communication. So now not only can you watch the browser kind of being operated by AI, if you want to pause and actually click around type within this iframe that's controlling a browser, that's also possible. And this is all thanks to some of the lower level protocol, which is called the Chrome DevTools protocol. It has a API called start screencast, and you can also send mouse clicks and button clicks to a remote browser. And this is all embeddable within iframes. You have a browser within a browser, yo. And then you simulate the screen, the click on the other side. Exactly. And this is really nice often for, like, let's say, a capture that can't be solved. You saw this with Operator, you know, Operator actually uses a different approach. They use VNC. So, you know, you're able to see, like, you're seeing the whole window here. What we're doing is something a little lower level with the Chrome DevTools protocol. It's just PNGs being streamed over the wire. But the same thing is true, right? Like, hey, I'm running a window. Pause. Can you do something in this window? Human. Okay, great. Resume. Like sometimes 2FA tokens. Like if you get that text message, you might need a person to type that in. Web agents need human-in-the-loop type workflows still. You still need a person to interact with the browser. And building a UI to proxy that is kind of hard. You may as well just show them the whole browser and say, hey, can you finish this up for me? And then let the AI proceed on afterwards. Is there a future where I stream my current desktop to browser base? I don't think so. I think we're very much cloud infrastructure. Yeah. You know, but I think a lot of the stuff we're doing, we do want to, like, build tools. Like, you know, we'll talk about the stage and, you know, web agent framework in a second. But, like, there's a case where a lot of people are going desktop first for, you know, consumer use. And I think cloud is doing a lot of this, where I expect to see, you know, MCPs really oriented around the cloud desktop app for a reason, right? Like, I think a lot of these tools are going to run on your computer because it makes... I think it's breaking out. People are putting it on a server. Oh, really? Okay. Well, sweet. We'll see. We'll see that. I was surprised, though, wasn't I? I think that the browser company, too, with Dia Browser, it runs on your machine. You know, it's going to be...swyx [00:30:50]: What is it?Paul [00:30:51]: So, Dia Browser, as far as I understand... I used to use Arc. Yeah. I haven't used Arc. But I'm a big fan of the browser company. I think they're doing a lot of cool stuff in consumer. As far as I understand, it's a browser where you have a sidebar where you can, like, chat with it and it can control the local browser on your machine. So, if you imagine, like, what a consumer web agent is, which it lives alongside your browser, I think Google Chrome has Project Marina, I think. I almost call it Project Marinara for some reason. I don't know why. It's...swyx [00:31:17]: No, I think it's someone really likes the Waterworld. Oh, I see. The classic Kevin Costner. Yeah.Paul [00:31:22]: Okay. Project Marinara is a similar thing to the Dia Browser, in my mind, as far as I understand it. You have a browser that has an AI interface that will take over your mouse and keyboard and control the browser for you. Great for consumer use cases. But if you're building applications that rely on a browser and it's more part of a greater, like, AI app experience, you probably need something that's more like infrastructure, not a consumer app.swyx [00:31:44]: Just because I have explored a little bit in this area, do people want branching? So, I have the state. Of whatever my browser's in. And then I want, like, 100 clones of this state. Do people do that? Or...Paul [00:31:56]: People don't do it currently. Yeah. But it's definitely something we're thinking about. I think the idea of forking a browser is really cool. Technically, kind of hard. We're starting to see this in code execution, where people are, like, forking some, like, code execution, like, processes or forking some tool calls or branching tool calls. Haven't seen it at the browser level yet. But it makes sense. Like, if an AI agent is, like, using a website and it's not sure what path it wants to take to crawl this website. To find the information it's looking for. It would make sense for it to explore both paths in parallel. And that'd be a very, like... A road not taken. Yeah. And hopefully find the right answer. And then say, okay, this was actually the right one. And memorize that. And go there in the future. On the roadmap. For sure. Don't make my roadmap, please. You know?Alessio [00:32:37]: How do you actually do that? Yeah. How do you fork? I feel like the browser is so stateful for so many things.swyx [00:32:42]: Serialize the state. Restore the state. I don't know.Paul [00:32:44]: So, it's one of the reasons why we haven't done it yet. It's hard. You know? Like, to truly fork, it's actually quite difficult. The naive way is to open the same page in a new tab and then, like, hope that it's at the same thing. But if you have a form halfway filled, you may have to, like, take the whole, you know, container. Pause it. All the memory. Duplicate it. Restart it from there. It could be very slow. So, we haven't found a thing. Like, the easy thing to fork is just, like, copy the page object. You know? But I think there needs to be something a little bit more robust there. Yeah.swyx [00:33:12]: So, MorphLabs has this infinite branch thing. Like, wrote a custom fork of Linux or something that let them save the system state and clone it. MorphLabs, hit me up. I'll be a customer. Yeah. That's the only. I think that's the only way to do it. Yeah. Like, unless Chrome has some special API for you. Yeah.Paul [00:33:29]: There's probably something we'll reverse engineer one day. I don't know. Yeah.Alessio [00:33:32]: Let's talk about StageHand, the AI web browsing framework. You have three core components, Observe, Extract, and Act. Pretty clean landing page. What was the idea behind making a framework? Yeah.Stagehand: AI web browsing frameworkPaul [00:33:43]: So, there's three frameworks that are very popular or already exist, right? Puppeteer, Playwright, Selenium. Those are for building hard-coded scripts to control websites. And as soon as I started to play with LLMs plus browsing, I caught myself, you know, code-genning Playwright code to control a website. I would, like, take the DOM. I'd pass it to an LLM. I'd say, can you generate the Playwright code to click the appropriate button here? And it would do that. And I was like, this really should be part of the frameworks themselves. And I became really obsessed with SDKs that take natural language as part of, like, the API input. And that's what StageHand is. StageHand exposes three APIs, and it's a super set of Playwright. So, if you go to a page, you may want to take an action, click on the button, fill in the form, etc. That's what the act command is for. You may want to extract some data. This one takes a natural language, like, extract the winner of the Super Bowl from this page. You can give it a Zod schema, so it returns a structured output. And then maybe you're building an API. You can do an agent loop, and you want to kind of see what actions are possible on this page before taking one. You can do observe. So, you can observe the actions on the page, and it will generate a list of actions. You can guide it, like, give me actions on this page related to buying an item. And you can, like, buy it now, add to cart, view shipping options, and pass that to an LLM, an agent loop, to say, what's the appropriate action given this high-level goal? So, StageHand isn't a web agent. It's a framework for building web agents. And we think that agent loops are actually pretty close to the application layer because every application probably has different goals or different ways it wants to take steps. I don't think I've seen a generic. Maybe you guys are the experts here. I haven't seen, like, a really good AI agent framework here. Everyone kind of has their own special sauce, right? I see a lot of developers building their own agent loops, and they're using tools. And I view StageHand as the browser tool. So, we expose act, extract, observe. Your agent can call these tools. And from that, you don't have to worry about it. You don't have to worry about generating playwright code performantly. You don't have to worry about running it. You can kind of just integrate these three tool calls into your agent loop and reliably automate the web.swyx [00:35:48]: A special shout-out to Anirudh, who I met at your dinner, who I think listens to the pod. Yeah. Hey, Anirudh.Paul [00:35:54]: Anirudh's a man. He's a StageHand guy.swyx [00:35:56]: I mean, the interesting thing about each of these APIs is they're kind of each startup. Like, specifically extract, you know, Firecrawler is extract. There's, like, Expand AI. There's a whole bunch of, like, extract companies. They just focus on extract. I'm curious. Like, I feel like you guys are going to collide at some point. Like, right now, it's friendly. Everyone's in a blue ocean. At some point, it's going to be valuable enough that there's some turf battle here. I don't think you have a dog in a fight. I think you can mock extract to use an external service if they're better at it than you. But it's just an observation that, like, in the same way that I see each option, each checkbox in the side of custom GBTs becoming a startup or each box in the Karpathy chart being a startup. Like, this is also becoming a thing. Yeah.Paul [00:36:41]: I mean, like, so the way StageHand works is that it's MIT-licensed, completely open source. You bring your own API key to your LLM of choice. You could choose your LLM. We don't make any money off of the extract or really. We only really make money if you choose to run it with our browser. You don't have to. You can actually use your own browser, a local browser. You know, StageHand is completely open source for that reason. And, yeah, like, I think if you're building really complex web scraping workflows, I don't know if StageHand is the tool for you. I think it's really more if you're building an AI agent that needs a few general tools or if it's doing a lot of, like, web automation-intensive work. But if you're building a scraping company, StageHand is not your thing. You probably want something that's going to, like, get HTML content, you know, convert that to Markdown, query it. That's not what StageHand does. StageHand is more about reliability. I think we focus a lot on reliability and less so on cost optimization and speed at this point.swyx [00:37:33]: I actually feel like StageHand, so the way that StageHand works, it's like, you know, page.act, click on the quick start. Yeah. It's kind of the integration test for the code that you would have to write anyway, like the Puppeteer code that you have to write anyway. And when the page structure changes, because it always does, then this is still the test. This is still the test that I would have to write. Yeah. So it's kind of like a testing framework that doesn't need implementation detail.Paul [00:37:56]: Well, yeah. I mean, Puppeteer, Playwright, and Slenderman were all designed as testing frameworks, right? Yeah. And now people are, like, hacking them together to automate the web. I would say, and, like, maybe this is, like, me being too specific. But, like, when I write tests, if the page structure changes. Without me knowing, I want that test to fail. So I don't know if, like, AI, like, regenerating that. Like, people are using StageHand for testing. But it's more for, like, usability testing, not, like, testing of, like, does the front end, like, has it changed or not. Okay. But generally where we've seen people, like, really, like, take off is, like, if they're using, you know, something. If they want to build a feature in their application that's kind of like Operator or Deep Research, they're using StageHand to kind of power that tool calling in their own agent loop. Okay. Cool.swyx [00:38:37]: So let's go into Operator, the first big agent launch of the year from OpenAI. Seems like they have a whole bunch scheduled. You were on break and your phone blew up. What's your just general view of computer use agents is what they're calling it. The overall category before we go into Open Operator, just the overall promise of Operator. I will observe that I tried it once. It was okay. And I never tried it again.OpenAI's Operator and computer use agentsPaul [00:38:58]: That tracks with my experience, too. Like, I'm a huge fan of the OpenAI team. Like, I think that I do not view Operator as the company. I'm not a company killer for browser base at all. I think it actually shows people what's possible. I think, like, computer use models make a lot of sense. And I'm actually most excited about computer use models is, like, their ability to, like, really take screenshots and reasoning and output steps. I think that using mouse click or mouse coordinates, I've seen that proved to be less reliable than I would like. And I just wonder if that's the right form factor. What we've done with our framework is anchor it to the DOM itself, anchor it to the actual item. So, like, if it's clicking on something, it's clicking on that thing, you know? Like, it's more accurate. No matter where it is. Yeah, exactly. Because it really ties in nicely. And it can handle, like, the whole viewport in one go, whereas, like, Operator can only handle what it sees. Can you hover? Is hovering a thing that you can do? I don't know if we expose it as a tool directly, but I'm sure there's, like, an API for hovering. Like, move mouse to this position. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you can trigger hover, like, via, like, the JavaScript on the DOM itself. But, no, I think, like, when we saw computer use, everyone's eyes lit up because they realized, like, wow, like, AI is going to actually automate work for people. And I think seeing that kind of happen from both of the labs, and I'm sure we're going to see more labs launch computer use models, I'm excited to see all the stuff that people build with it. I think that I'd love to see computer use power, like, controlling a browser on browser base. And I think, like, Open Operator, which was, like, our open source version of OpenAI's Operator, was our first take on, like, how can we integrate these models into browser base? And we handle the infrastructure and let the labs do the models. I don't have a sense that Operator will be released as an API. I don't know. Maybe it will. I'm curious to see how well that works because I think it's going to be really hard for a company like OpenAI to do things like support CAPTCHA solving or, like, have proxies. Like, I think it's hard for them structurally. Imagine this New York Times headline, OpenAI CAPTCHA solving. Like, that would be a pretty bad headline, this New York Times headline. Browser base solves CAPTCHAs. No one cares. No one cares. And, like, our investors are bored. Like, we're all okay with this, you know? We're building this company knowing that the CAPTCHA solving is short-lived until we figure out how to authenticate good bots. I think it's really hard for a company like OpenAI, who has this brand that's so, so good, to balance with, like, the icky parts of web automation, which it can be kind of complex to solve. I'm sure OpenAI knows who to call whenever they need you. Yeah, right. I'm sure they'll have a great partnership.Alessio [00:41:23]: And is Open Operator just, like, a marketing thing for you? Like, how do you think about resource allocation? So, you can spin this up very quickly. And now there's all this, like, open deep research, just open all these things that people are building. We started it, you know. You're the original Open. We're the original Open operator, you know? Is it just, hey, look, this is a demo, but, like, we'll help you build out an actual product for yourself? Like, are you interested in going more of a product route? That's kind of the OpenAI way, right? They started as a model provider and then…Paul [00:41:53]: Yeah, we're not interested in going the product route yet. I view Open Operator as a model provider. It's a reference project, you know? Let's show people how to build these things using the infrastructure and models that are out there. And that's what it is. It's, like, Open Operator is very simple. It's an agent loop. It says, like, take a high-level goal, break it down into steps, use tool calling to accomplish those steps. It takes screenshots and feeds those screenshots into an LLM with the step to generate the right action. It uses stagehand under the hood to actually execute this action. It doesn't use a computer use model. And it, like, has a nice interface using the live view that we talked about, the iframe, to embed that into an application. So I felt like people on launch day wanted to figure out how to build their own version of this. And we turned that around really quickly to show them. And I hope we do that with other things like deep research. We don't have a deep research launch yet. I think David from AOMNI actually has an amazing open deep research that he launched. It has, like, 10K GitHub stars now. So he's crushing that. But I think if people want to build these features natively into their application, they need good reference projects. And I think Open Operator is a good example of that.swyx [00:42:52]: I don't know. Actually, I'm actually pretty bullish on API-driven operator. Because that's the only way that you can sort of, like, once it's reliable enough, obviously. And now we're nowhere near. But, like, give it five years. It'll happen, you know. And then you can sort of spin this up and browsers are working in the background and you don't necessarily have to know. And it just is booking restaurants for you, whatever. I can definitely see that future happening. I had this on the landing page here. This might be a slightly out of order. But, you know, you have, like, sort of three use cases for browser base. Open Operator. Or this is the operator sort of use case. It's kind of like the workflow automation use case. And it completes with UiPath in the sort of RPA category. Would you agree with that? Yeah, I would agree with that. And then there's Agents we talked about already. And web scraping, which I imagine would be the bulk of your workload right now, right?Paul [00:43:40]: No, not at all. I'd say actually, like, the majority is browser automation. We're kind of expensive for web scraping. Like, I think that if you're building a web scraping product, if you need to do occasional web scraping or you have to do web scraping that works every single time, you want to use browser automation. Yeah. You want to use browser-based. But if you're building web scraping workflows, what you should do is have a waterfall. You should have the first request is a curl to the website. See if you can get it without even using a browser. And then the second request may be, like, a scraping-specific API. There's, like, a thousand scraping APIs out there that you can use to try and get data. Scraping B. Scraping B is a great example, right? Yeah. And then, like, if those two don't work, bring out the heavy hitter. Like, browser-based will 100% work, right? It will load the page in a real browser, hydrate it. I see.swyx [00:44:21]: Because a lot of people don't render to JS.swyx [00:44:25]: Yeah, exactly.Paul [00:44:26]: So, I mean, the three big use cases, right? Like, you know, automation, web data collection, and then, you know, if you're building anything agentic that needs, like, a browser tool, you want to use browser-based.Alessio [00:44:35]: Is there any use case that, like, you were super surprised by that people might not even think about? Oh, yeah. Or is it, yeah, anything that you can share? The long tail is crazy. Yeah.Surprising use cases of BrowserbasePaul [00:44:44]: One of the case studies on our website that I think is the most interesting is this company called Benny. So, the way that it works is if you're on food stamps in the United States, you can actually get rebates if you buy certain things. Yeah. You buy some vegetables. You submit your receipt to the government. They'll give you a little rebate back. Say, hey, thanks for buying vegetables. It's good for you. That process of submitting that receipt is very painful. And the way Benny works is you use their app to take a photo of your receipt, and then Benny will go submit that receipt for you and then deposit the money into your account. That's actually using no AI at all. It's all, like, hard-coded scripts. They maintain the scripts. They've been doing a great job. And they build this amazing consumer app. But it's an example of, like, all these, like, tedious workflows that people have to do to kind of go about their business. And they're doing it for the sake of their day-to-day lives. And I had never known about, like, food stamp rebates or the complex forms you have to do to fill them. But the world is powered by millions and millions of tedious forms, visas. You know, Emirate Lighthouse is a customer, right? You know, they do the O1 visa. Millions and millions of forms are taking away humans' time. And I hope that Browserbase can help power software that automates away the web forms that we don't need anymore. Yeah.swyx [00:45:49]: I mean, I'm very supportive of that. I mean, forms. I do think, like, government itself is a big part of it. I think the government itself should embrace AI more to do more sort of human-friendly form filling. Mm-hmm. But I'm not optimistic. I'm not holding my breath. Yeah. We'll see. Okay. I think I'm about to zoom out. I have a little brief thing on computer use, and then we can talk about founder stuff, which is, I tend to think of developer tooling markets in impossible triangles, where everyone starts in a niche, and then they start to branch out. So I already hinted at a little bit of this, right? We mentioned more. We mentioned E2B. We mentioned Firecrawl. And then there's Browserbase. So there's, like, all this stuff of, like, have serverless virtual computer that you give to an agent and let them do stuff with it. And there's various ways of connecting it to the internet. You can just connect to a search API, like SERP API, whatever other, like, EXA is another one. That's what you're searching. You can also have a JSON markdown extractor, which is Firecrawl. Or you can have a virtual browser like Browserbase, or you can have a virtual machine like Morph. And then there's also maybe, like, a virtual sort of code environment, like Code Interpreter. So, like, there's just, like, a bunch of different ways to tackle the problem of give a computer to an agent. And I'm just kind of wondering if you see, like, everyone's just, like, happily coexisting in their respective niches. And as a developer, I just go and pick, like, a shopping basket of one of each. Or do you think that you eventually, people will collide?Future of browser automation and market competitionPaul [00:47:18]: I think that currently it's not a zero-sum market. Like, I think we're talking about... I think we're talking about all of knowledge work that people do that can be automated online. All of these, like, trillions of hours that happen online where people are working. And I think that there's so much software to be built that, like, I tend not to think about how these companies will collide. I just try to solve the problem as best as I can and make this specific piece of infrastructure, which I think is an important primitive, the best I possibly can. And yeah. I think there's players that are actually going to like it. I think there's players that are going to launch, like, over-the-top, you know, platforms, like agent platforms that have all these tools built in, right? Like, who's building the rippling for agent tools that has the search tool, the browser tool, the operating system tool, right? There are some. There are some. There are some, right? And I think in the end, what I have seen as my time as a developer, and I look at all the favorite tools that I have, is that, like, for tools and primitives with sufficient levels of complexity, you need to have a solution that's really bespoke to that primitive, you know? And I am sufficiently convinced that the browser is complex enough to deserve a primitive. Obviously, I have to. I'm the founder of BrowserBase, right? I'm talking my book. But, like, I think maybe I can give you one spicy take against, like, maybe just whole OS running. I think that when I look at computer use when it first came out, I saw that the majority of use cases for computer use were controlling a browser. And do we really need to run an entire operating system just to control a browser? I don't think so. I don't think that's necessary. You know, BrowserBase can run browsers for way cheaper than you can if you're running a full-fledged OS with a GUI, you know, operating system. And I think that's just an advantage of the browser. It is, like, browsers are little OSs, and you can run them very efficiently if you orchestrate it well. And I think that allows us to offer 90% of the, you know, functionality in the platform needed at 10% of the cost of running a full OS. Yeah.Open Operator: Browserbase's Open-Source Alternativeswyx [00:49:16]: I definitely see the logic in that. There's a Mark Andreessen quote. I don't know if you know this one. Where he basically observed that the browser is turning the operating system into a poorly debugged set of device drivers, because most of the apps are moved from the OS to the browser. So you can just run browsers.Paul [00:49:31]: There's a place for OSs, too. Like, I think that there are some applications that only run on Windows operating systems. And Eric from pig.dev in this upcoming YC batch, or last YC batch, like, he's building all run tons of Windows operating systems for you to control with your agent. And like, there's some legacy EHR systems that only run on Internet-controlled systems. Yeah.Paul [00:49:54]: I think that's it. I think, like, there are use cases for specific operating systems for specific legacy software. And like, I'm excited to see what he does with that. I just wanted to give a shout out to the pig.dev website.swyx [00:50:06]: The pigs jump when you click on them. Yeah. That's great.Paul [00:50:08]: Eric, he's the former co-founder of banana.dev, too.swyx [00:50:11]: Oh, that Eric. Yeah. That Eric. Okay. Well, he abandoned bananas for pigs. I hope he doesn't start going around with pigs now.Alessio [00:50:18]: Like he was going around with bananas. A little toy pig. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. What else are we missing? I think we covered a lot of, like, the browser-based product history, but. What do you wish people asked you? Yeah.Paul [00:50:29]: I wish people asked me more about, like, what will the future of software look like? Because I think that's really where I've spent a lot of time about why do browser-based. Like, for me, starting a company is like a means of last resort. Like, you shouldn't start a company unless you absolutely have to. And I remain convinced that the future of software is software that you're going to click a button and it's going to do stuff on your behalf. Right now, software. You click a button and it maybe, like, calls it back an API and, like, computes some numbers. It, like, modifies some text, whatever. But the future of software is software using software. So, I may log into my accounting website for my business, click a button, and it's going to go load up my Gmail, search my emails, find the thing, upload the receipt, and then comment it for me. Right? And it may use it using APIs, maybe a browser. I don't know. I think it's a little bit of both. But that's completely different from how we've built software so far. And that's. I think that future of software has different infrastructure requirements. It's going to require different UIs. It's going to require different pieces of infrastructure. I think the browser infrastructure is one piece that fits into that, along with all the other categories you mentioned. So, I think that it's going to require developers to think differently about how they've built software for, you know
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