Podcast appearances and mentions of Julia Turshen

Pasta is delicious, whether it's rigatoni, linguine, macaroni or any shape at all! When you buy pasta from the store, it's usually hard, crunchy, and dry. But after cooking it, the pasta is tender and toothsome! How does that work? We asked cookbook author and cooking teacher Julia Turshen to help us find the answer.Got a question that's spa-GHETTING you all worked up? Send it to us at BrainsOn.org/contact, and we'll explore the PASTAbilities to find the answer

We have Ollie to thank for bringing us this ep about a topic near, if not dear: the headache of feeding ourselves and others. (We have to do this multiple times a day?!?!). The app helps you figure out what to cook, makes your grocery list, and *learns what you like*—it's a whole thing, and we're grateful for the robots for helping us with this task. In related topics: our always-on-hand grocery items and supermarket immersive theater.   Stuff always in our pantries/fridges: Chara's Kitchen Barbeque Sauce, Kewpie Roasted Sesame Dressing (the made-in-Japan version!), Mutti Cherry Tomatoes, Bjorn Qorn (related:nutritional yeast), Chaokoh Coconut Milk, The Rice Factory Rice, Painterland Sisters Skyr Yogurt, Portugalia Market tinned fish.    Recipes we love rn include Eric Kim's shredded chicken in the Instant Pot for Food52, Sarah DiGregorio's salmon and kimchi skillet for NYT Cooking, Smitten Kitchen's slow-roasted sweet potatoes, and the tofu sheet-pan dinner from the cookbook Kid in the Kitchen by Melissa Clark,    Two exceptional easy-cooking cookbooks with companion newsletters: What to Cook When You Don't Feel Like Cooking by Caroline Chambers and Small Victories by Julia Turshen.   Download Ollie today in the app stores or at ollie.ai/athingortwo to save two of the recipes we're cooking most.   What's your grocery routine looking like? Share with us at 833-632-5463, podcast@athingortwohq.com, @athingortwohq, or in our Geneva.   Let Ollie help you figure out dinner: Download the free app and use the promo code ATHINGORTWO to cook what we're cooking. YAY.

I absolutely adored today's conversation with New York Times bestselling cookbook author Julia Turshen, all about building trust in ourselves and learning to become more intuitive cooks. Julia is the author of five books, including her latest, What Goes with What, which I'm giving away for free this month (check out the newsletter link below to enter to win!).You'll learn about Julia's childhood growing up in New York City and her longtime passion for food. Like so many women in the food industry, Julia hasn't always had an easy relationship with her body, and she opens up about her journey towards finding a happier and healthier relationship with food, and how intuitive eating helped. As we discuss, it's less about having a goal of intuitive eating, but more about letting go of the ways in which we're conditioned around food in order to find body autonomy and pleasure in eating.Julia also offers tips for becoming a more intuitive cook, sharing the practices, rituals and even appliances that help her find more ease in the kitchen. This ease leads to a deeper sense of inner trust and comfort in the kitchen, helping us let go of perfectionism in order to enjoy the process of tasting, experimenting and playing. I think you're going to be so inspired by this episode and will walk away with a whole new perspective on the power—and pleasure—of cooking.EPISODE LINKS AND RESOURCES:* Mind, Body, Spirit, FOOD Newsletter: https://mindbodyspiritfood.substack.com/p/julia-turshen* Find Nicki on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nickisizemore* One-on-one sessions with Nicki: https://mindbodyspiritfood.substack.com/p/coaching-and-cooking-sessions* Julia's website: https://www.juliaturshen.com/* Julia's newsletter: https://juliaturshen.substack.com/* Find Julia on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/turshen/* My podcast episode with Elise Loehnen: https://mindbodyspiritfood.substack.com/p/the-sin-of-gluttony-with-elise-loehnen* My podcast episode about rituals with Dr. Michael Norton: https://mindbodyspiritfood.substack.com/p/michael-norton This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit mindbodyspiritfood.substack.com/subscribe

Episode 159 February 27, 2025 On the Needles 1:27 ALL KNITTING LINKS GO TO RAVELRY UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTED.  Please visit our Instagram page @craftcookreadrepeat for non-Rav photos and info     Baby hat, doodle knit directory by Jamie Lomax, Lemonade Shop simple sock in Dunks– DONE!!   Bankhead hat by Susie Gorlay, Blue Sky Fibers Woolstok in Midnight Sea–DONE!!   Succulents 2025 Blanket CAL by Mallory Krall, Hue Loco DK in Terrarium   Llama llama duck by Adrienne Fong, C W D: Handcrafted Products for the Mind, Body & Soul BFL Alpaca Nylon Sock in Sutro Baths   Filoli Cowl by Ksenia Naidyon, AVFKW Floating in Current and Marine Layer (70% Alpaca, 20% Silk, 10% Cashmere goat), AVFKW Wild Bloom in Quartz and Rain Cloud (41% Alpaca, 35% Silk, 13% Merino, 10% Yak)-- DONE!!     On the Easel 10:15 Half-way of the Secret 100-Day!    Klaus Mäkelä & Yuja Wang | Ravel Piano Concerto for the Left Hand in D major   On the Table 18:28   Julia Turshen signing with Nina LaCour   Mustard ponzu chicken and broccoli from Ali Slagle substack   Boyfriend salmon from Justine Cooks   Smitten Kitchen Marsala Meatballs    A diy potato & leek crostada with hasty pie crust   On the Nightstand 29:15 We are now a Bookshop.org affiliate!  You can visit our shop to find books we've talked about or click on the links below.  The books are supplied by local independent bookstores and a percentage goes to us at no cost to you!   The Secret Hours by Mick Herron (audio) Everyone on This Train is a Suspect by Benjamin Stevenson (audio) All Fours by Miranda July The Blue Hour by Paula Hawkins   The Blue Hour by Paula Hawkins All the Beauty in the World by Patrick Bringley Life Cycle of the Common Octopus by Emma Knight

Why do some recipes just work while others are hit-or-miss? And is there a better way to write recipes overall? Last week we talked about how some recipes deceive you into thinking they're easier than they are. This week we look at what makes a great recipe. Dan talks with Chandra Ram, who judged the prestigious IACP Awards, where she put recipes from popular cookbooks to the test. Then Dan talks with John Becker and Megan Scott, who revised and developed 2,400 recipes for the latest edition of Joy Of Cooking. Joy is one of the most popular cookbooks in history, but it's also one of the only cookbooks to use the "action method" of recipe writing. Plus, special cameos from best-selling cookbook authors Claire Saffitz and Julia Turshen!This episode originally aired on March 16, 2020, and was produced by Dan Pashman and Emma Morgenstern. It was edited by Tracey Samuelson, and mixed by Andrea Kristinsdottir. The Sporkful production team now includes Dan Pashman, Emma Morgenstern, Andres O'Hara, Nora Ritchie, and Jared O'Connell. Publishing by Shantel Holder.Transcript available at www.sporkful.com.Right now, Sporkful listeners can get three months free of the SiriusXM app by going to siriusxm.com/sporkful. Get all your favorite podcasts, more than 200 ad-free music channels curated by genre and era, and live sports coverage with the SiriusXM app.

Have you ever wondered which cookbooks truly deserve a spot on your kitchen shelf? Whether you're dreaming of wowing guests with holiday-perfect cinnamon rolls or mastering a melt-in-your-mouth pot roast, the right cookbook can be a game-changer for any home cook.In this episode, we're diving into the cookbooks that have shaped how we cook—well-loved gems with splattered pages, the ones we gift over and over, and the timeless classics that every home chef should own.By the end of the episode you'll discover:Why a cookbook with a collection of diverse recipes can be just as (if not more) supportive than one from a single author's voiceHow a chef from a top restaurant can teach you professional techniques that transform home cookingThe standout recipes from best-selling cookbooks that you'll want to make on repeatHit play to uncover how these books spark joy, build confidence, and turn your everyday cooking into something extra special in the kitchen!***Sign up for our newsletter here for special offers and opportunities***Links:Kari's top 5:Most cooked from: The 150 Best American Recipes, by Fran McCullough and Molly StevensMost inspiring: Food of Life: Ancient Persian and Modern Iranian Cooking and Ceremonies, by Najmieh BatmanglijGifted the most to others: Sonya's cookbook Braids, and The Cooks Illustrated CookbookLife changing: The Improvisational Cook, by Sally SchneiderBiggest influence: The Santa Monica Farmers' Market Cookbook, by Amelia Satlzman Sonya's top 5:Most cooked from: Jerusalem by Yotam Ottolenghi and Sami TamimiMost inspiring: Summer Kitchens by Olia HerculesGifted the most ot others: Marcella Hazan's Essentials of Classic Italian Cooking and Julia Turshen's Small VictoriesLife changing: The Book of Jewish Food by Claudia RodenBiggest influence:

This week I spoke to chef, recipe developer, writer and food stylist Chloe Walsh, also known as Chloe Cooks. A Brit based out of Los Angeles, she hosts pop-ups, writes her incredible Substack (Anchovies & Soup), swims, and is known for her potato recipe and so much more. In addition to loving her food, I love her. I'm lucky enough to get to call her a friend and neighbor. She had me over a couple weeks ago, made us lunch, and we talked for hours about everything from her favorite places to go in LA, to meals to cook when alone, food culture as it relates to bodies, chronic illness, writing, design, growing her audience, managing her energy, and following her intuition in the kitchen. I loved every second of this one and I hope you do too! Show notes:- Get Magic Mind at 50% off with the Black Friday offer, available only through my link until December 6th: https://magicmind.com/liobf- Find Chloe on  IG | Substack- Find me on IG: @letitouttt + @katiedalebout | Substack- PIVOT zine: sign up for my paid Substack & we'll mail you a copy- Kate's Substack, Bite Sized If you liked this episode, try out from the archive:Episode 328: effortless takes effort, connection & cooking, embracing our humanness + more with Julia Turshen

  It's about that time for a holly jolly gift guide! We gathered gift ideas for every price point from 5-year journals to candy to candles and more!   Under $25 Furbish Studio Matchbook Ornament - $28 BonBon holiday gift box - Med - $28 Book Person Mug ($15) + a book Weleda Skin Food - $13 Thrifted Matchstrike W/ Matches Framebridge ornaments ($25)   $25-$50 LEUCHTTURM1917 - Some Lines A Day ($33) + a nice pen Custom Pet Stamp - $33 Confetti Flutes ($24) + Bottle of champagne Watercolor Set ($29.99) + Watercolor coloring book ($15) Rooms of Their Own: Where Great Writers Write book ($26)  Photo prints  Necessaire Body Serum ($48)   $50-$100 Fredricks & Mae cutting board (med $95; small $40) and a cookbook like More Is More and Cook this Book by Molly Baz, What Goes With What by Julia Turshen, and What to Cook When You Don't Feel Like Cooking by Caroline Chambers Free People Classic Striped Crewneck ($98) or Malibu Surf Sweater Set ($88) Goldbelly Essa Bagel Brunch for 6 - $99 Etsy Handmade ceramic mugs (so many to choose from, usually $60 - $80) Maya Base Perfume Oil $72  Target gift card and a friend date   $100+ Hotel lobby candle votive candle - $145 Lingua Franca Sweatshirt - $175 (LFBECCA10 for 10% off) Cozy Earth Cuddle Blanket Bose Quiet Comfort Headphones - $350 Coach Brooklyn Shoulder Bag 39 $495 Engraved Locket/Jewelry from Monica Vinader - $130 - $178   Obsessions Becca - Grossy Pelosi Big Italian Sandwich Puzzle Olivia - Little Women (2019)   What we read this week Becca - The Pumpkin Spice Cafe by Laurie Gilmore, The Invisible Life of Addie LaRue by VE Schwab Olivia - Spells for Forgetting by Adrienne Young, The Boyfriend by Frieda McFadden     This Month's Book Club Pick - Be Ready When the Luck Happens by Ina Garten (have thoughts about this book you want to share? Call in at 843-405-3157 or email us a voice memo at badonpaperpodcast@gmail.com)   Sponsors Babbel - Get up to 60% off your Babbel subscription at Babbel.com/BOP. This is Small Business - Follow This is Small Business: Behind the Buy wherever you get your podcasts. Better Help -  Visit BetterHelp.com/BADONPAPER to get 10% off your first month. 831 Stories - Use the code BOP for 15% off their first order on 831stories.com.   Join our Facebook group for amazing book recs & more!  Buy our Merch! Join our Geneva! Order Olivia's Book, Such a Bad Influence! Subscribe to Olivia's Newsletter! Order Becca's Book, The Christmas Orphans Club! Subscribe to Becca's Newsletter!  Follow us on Instagram @badonpaperpodcast. Follow Olivia on Instagram @oliviamuenter and Becca @beccamfreeman.  

Episode 152 November 11,  2024 On the Needles 1:26 ALL KNITTING LINKS GO TO RAVELRY UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTED.  Please visit our Instagram page @craftcookreadrepeat for non-Rav photos and info     Weather or Knot Scarf by Scott Rohr, HolstGarn Coast in Butterfly, Black, Charcoal, Silver Grey, Wisteria, Freesia, Passion Flower:    OMG Heel Socks by Megan Williams, Destination Yarn Postcard in Yosemite– DONE!!    Peace and Joy socks by KnittenKristen, Gauge DyeWorks Trifecta Fingering in Jack o'lantern with pumpkin mini– DONE!!   Colorwork Cuff Club by Summer Lee, Three Irish Girls Adorn Sock in Elixir (2010! Carpe yarnem!)-- DONE!!   Fleetwood sweater by Tanis Lavallee, Teal Torch Knits DK in mermaid gradient   Full Spectrum by Andrea Rangel, Koigu Painter's Palette Premium Merino in black and 861 (turquoise, olive, purple, black 2009!) On the Easel 9:51 2025 Calendar–stay tuned. Gouachevember! Travel sketches On the Table 14:56 Streamlined Mushroom soup from Weekday Vegetarians: Get Simple (link to her blog article about the Moosewood recipe this one is based on)   mushroom rockefeller from What Goes With What by Julia Turshen   mushroom swiss burger rice from What Goes With What by Julia Turshen   Creamy Spinach-Artichoke Chicken Stew On the Nightstand 23:25 We are now a Bookshop.org affiliate!  You can visit our shop to find books we've talked about or click on the links below.  The books are supplied by local independent bookstores and a percentage goes to us at no cost to you! Slow Horses by Mick Herron (audio) The Great Witches Baking Show and Baker's Coven by Nancy Warren (audio) Ornithologist's Field Guide to Love by India Holton  A Song to Drown Rivers by Ann Liang The Empusium: a health resort horror story by Olga Tokarczuk, trans by Antonia Lloyd-Jones Creation Lake by Rachel Kushner Playground by Richard Powers The Wedding Witch by Erin Sterling   The Plot by Jean Hanff Korelitz There are Rivers in the Sky by Elif Shafak

Julia Turshen is the author of four cookbooks, including the new release What Goes With What: 100 Recipes, 20 Charts, Endless Possibilities. It's a comprehensive guide to building cooking intuition and transforming odds and ends into a meal, and we had a great conversation live at Rizzoli bookstore all about making the book come to life, plus things like body acceptance and what constitutes queer food. We hope you'll enjoy it. Take our listener survey! We'd love to to hear who we should invite into our studio for an interview and TASTE Check.MORE FROM JULIA TURSHEN:Keep Calm and Cook On [Substack]My Mom Was a Magazine Editor in the '90s. We're Finally Talking About What It Did to Our Body Image [SELF]This Is TASTE 22: Julia Turshen [TASTE]See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The Hot Stove Society Tasting Panel dives into maple syrup // We're wrapping up National Seafood Month with Alaskan Crab as part of the Seafood 101 campaign // We build the Ultimate Seafood Platter // Back by popular demand, Cynthia Nims is here for part two of Preserving Family Recipes // New York Times bestselling author Julia Turshen is here to share her new cookbook 'What Goes With What: 100 Recipes, 20 Charts, Endless Possibilities' // And of course, we finish up with Rub with Love Food for Thought Tasty Trivia!!

Today Virginia is chatting with the delightful Julia Turshen! Julia is a New York Times bestselling cookbook author, and today we're celebrating her brand new cookbook What Goes With What. WGWW is built on the simple premise that if we understand what makes food delicious, we can feed ourselves well. Nobody understands this better than Julia, who has been excavating the rules, limitations, and hidden diet mindset of food writing for years now, and in doing so, offers us all a better, more straightforward way to think about food and making meals happen.If you have ever felt overwhelmed by the deeply loaded question of “What's for dinner?” Julia's work is a safe place to start figuring it all out.You can order What Goes With What through the Burnt Toast Bookshop. Don't forget, you can always take 10 percent off that purchase if you also order (or have already ordered!) Fat Talk from Split Rock Books! (Just use the code FATTALK at checkout.)To tell us YOUR thoughts, and to get all of the links and resources mentioned in this episode, as well as a complete transcript, visit our show page. If you want more conversations like this one, please rate and review us in your podcast player! And become a paid Burnt Toast subscriber to get all of Virginia's reporting and bonus subscriber-only episodes. Disclaimer: Virginia is a journalist and human with a lot of informed opinions. Virginia is not a nutritionist, therapist, doctor, or any kind of health care provider. The conversation you're about to hear and all of the advice and opinions she and her guests give are just for entertainment, information, and education purposes only. None of this is a substitute for individual medical or mental health advice.FAT TALK is out! Order your signed copy from Virginia's favorite independent bookstore, Split Rock Books (they ship anywhere in the US!). Or order it from your independent bookstore, or from Barnes & Noble, Amazon, Target, or Kobo or anywhere else you like to buy books. You can also order the audio book from Libro.fm or Audible.CREDITSThe Burnt Toast Podcast is produced and hosted by Virginia Sole-Smith and Corinne Fay. Follow Virginia on Instagram, Follow Corinne  @SellTradePlus, an Instagram account where you can buy and sell plus size clothing and subscribe to Big Undies.The Burnt Toast logo is by Deanna Lowe.Our theme music is by FaridehTommy Harron is our audio engineer.Thanks for listening and for supporting anti-diet, body liberation journalism.  This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit virginiasolesmith.substack.com/subscribe

Writer and food champion Julia Turshen talks to Mark and Kate about the beauty and the struggles that come with being a diligent home cook, how 2020 changed the way we make dinner (and clean up), if "aspirational cooking" has made people cook less, and her new cookbook, What Goes with What.Get Julia's recipe for Caesar Spaghetti on The Bittman Project: https://bittmanproject.com/recipe/caesar-spaghetti/Subscribe to Food with Mark Bittman on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you like to listen, and please help us grow by leaving us a 5 star review on Apple Podcasts.Follow Mark on Twitter at @bittman, and on Facebook and Instagram at @markbittman. Want more food content? Subscribe to The Bittman Project at www.bittmanproject.com.Questions or comments? Email food@markbittman.com. And if you have a minute, we'd love it if you'd take a short survey about our show! Head here: http://bit.ly/foodwithmarkbittman-survey Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Bestselling cookbook author Julia Turshen joins us to discuss her latest cookbook, What Goes with What: 100 Recipes, 20 Charts, Endless Possibilities, which helps home cooks figure out how to nail a perfectly balanced meal every time.

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit rethinkingwellness.substack.comNew York Times bestselling cookbook author Julia Turshen joins us to discuss intuitive cooking and how it relates to intuitive eating, how diet-culture recovery has influenced her approach to cooking and recipe writing, learning to accept that not every meal is going to be stellar (and why that's a powerful antidote to social-media diet culture), her new book, What Goes with What, and more. Behind the paywall, we discuss how we've both gotten to a place where work isn't our whole life, some behind-the-scenes looks at book publishing and book deals, Julia's experience of powerlifting and how it's changed her relationship with her body, how she navigates the diet and wellness culture in powerlifting, and both of our thoughts on the extreme protein consumption pushed by strength coaches and “protein girlies.”Paid subscribers can hear the full interview, and the first half is available to all listeners. To upgrade to paid, go to rethinkingwellness.substack.com.Julia Turshen is a New York Times bestselling cookbook author. Her latest book, Simply Julia, is an IACP award-winning national bestseller. Julia has written for multiple publications including The New York Times, The Washington Post, and Vogue. She is the founder of Equity At The Table (EATT), an inclusive digital directory of women/non-binary individuals in food, and the host and producer of the IACP-nominated podcast Keep Calm and Cook On, which the New York Times has called “an antidote to diet culture.” Epicurious has named Julia one of the ‘100 Greatest Home Cooks of All Time.' She sits on the Kitchen Cabinet Advisory Board for the Smithsonian's National Museum of American History and is a member of God's Love We Deliver's Culinary Council. She writes a weekly newsletter, teaches live cooking classes every Sunday afternoon, and is a competitive powerlifter. Julia lives in the Hudson Valley with her spouse Grace and their many pets. Her next book, WHAT GOES WITH WHAT, will be out on October 15th.If you like this conversation, subscribe to hear lots more like it!Support the podcast by becoming a paid subscriber, and unlock great perks like extended interviews, subscriber-only Q&As, full access to our archives, commenting privileges and subscriber threads where you can connect with other listeners, and more. Learn more and sign up at rethinkingwellness.substack.com.Christy's second book, The Wellness Trap, is available wherever books are sold! Order it here, or ask for it in your favorite local bookstore. If you're looking to make peace with food and break free from diet and wellness culture, come check out Christy's Intuitive Eating Fundamentals online course.

This James Beard-award winning cookbook features a collaboration between Hawa Hassan and Julia Turshen, and tells the stories of many women across eight African countries. We love the storytelling aspect of this book. Will we keep it on our shelves? Recipes mentioned in this episode: Digaag Qumbe (page 73) Xawaash spice mix (page 74) Somali beef stew (page 93) Ma Gehennet's Shiro (page 45) Berbere spice mix (page 50) Ma Kauthar's Mango chile sauce (page 116) Date bread (page 158) Bolo Polana (page 189) Ginger spritz (page 245) Iced Rooibos tea with orange, cloves and cinnamon (page 214) Resources mentioned in this episode: In Bibi's Kitchen, by Hawa Hassan with Julia Turshen Indian Instant Pot, by Urvashi Pitre Join our Cookbook Club! Our Instagram, @cookbookclubshow E-mail us: cookbookclubshow@gmail.com Find Renee and Sara on Instagram: @hipchickdigs and @realtor_saragray Our sponsors: Dropcloth Samplers Cook along with us! Our next cookbook episode (airing 10/30/2024) will be about Let's Eat! by Dan Pelosi

Jessie Sheehan is all about baking. She's host of the baking podcast She's My Cherry Pie on Radio Cherry Bombe and the author of four baking cookbooks, including her newest: Salty, Cheesy, Herby, Crispy Snackable Bakes. This book ventures into all-savory territory, from biscuits and scones to what she calls “toasty handhelds,” kinda like fancy hot pockets, and this episode will have you craving them all. Also on the show, it's time to talk about cool new fall cookbooks. All season Aliza and Matt are previewing some of their favorites, category by category. Next up is books by people we follow and love. These include Good Lookin' Cookin' by Dolly Parton, Soups, Salads, Sandwiches by Matty Matheson, What Goes with What: 100 Recipes, 20 Charts, Endless Possibilities by Julia Turshen, Life's Sweetest Moments by Dominique Ansel, Pass the Plate: 100 Delicious, Highly Shareable, Everyday Recipes by Carolina Gelen, Justine Cooks: A Cookbook: Recipes (Mostly Plants) for Finding Your Way in the Kitchen by Justine Doiron, Sweet Tooth by Sarah Fennel.Do you enjoy This Is TASTE? Drop us a review on Apple, or star us on Spotify. We'd love to hear from you. MORE FROM JESSIE SHEEHAN:Salty, Cheesy, Herby, Crispy Snackable BakesShe's My Cherry Pie [Radio Cherry Bombe]How to Make Snackable Bakes [WNYC]TASTE Live at Rizzoli: What Goes with What by Julia TurshenSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The kids are back in school, and you need to get yourself fed during the day. Join us for some strategies for weekday lunches, whether you are at home or in the office. Renee works from home, Sara often works from her car, and we offer solutions for every situation in-between. Cookbooks mentioned in this episode: That Cheese Plate will Change Your Life, by Marissa Mullen Vegan boards, by Kate Kasbee It's All Easy, by Gwyneth Paltrow Resources mentioned in this episode: Planetbox lunch boxes Lunchbots lunch boxes Copycat Bitchin' sauce Copycat Yumm sauce Copycat Toby's dip Join our Cookbook Club! Our Instagram, @cookbookclubshow E-mail us: cookbookclubshow@gmail.com Find Renee and Sara on Instagram: @hipchickdigs and @realtor_saragray Our sponsors: Dropcloth Samplers Cook along with us! Next cookbook episode (airing 10/2/2024): In Bibi's Kitchen, by Hawa Hassan & Julia Turshen

Sharon Salomon, 80, is a competitive powerlifter. She and her coach, Tricia Lucero, join Julia Turshen for a conversation about lifting, training and more.Follow-up links:To pre-order Julia's new book, WHAT GOES WITH WHAT, head here!To sign up for Julia's weekly newsletter, head here.BUILT FOR THIS: THE QUIET STRENGTH OF POWERLIFTING, Julia's long-form essay, can be read here or listened to here.Watch the video about the Queer Barbell Club Julia started at her gym.

Le Carr is the co-owner of Rain City Fit in Seattle, Washington. They are also the director of Pride Deadlift Party, an annual block-party style deadlift competition and fundraiser for the Seattle LGBTQIA+ community that has raised tens of thousands of dollars. They joined Julia Turshen to talk about powerlifting, running gyms, competitions and more.Follow-up links:To pre-order Julia's new book, WHAT GOES WITH WHAT, head here!To sign up for Julia's weekly newsletter, head here.BUILT FOR THIS: THE QUIET STRENGTH OF POWERLIFTING, Julia's long-form essay, can be read here or listened to here.Watch the video about the Queer Barbell Club Julia started at her gym.Follow Le on IG right here!Follow Rain City Fit on IG right here!And follow Pride Deadlift Party on IG right here!

Ali Slagle wrote our dream weeknight cookbook in “I Dream of Dinner.” We talk about Ali Slagle's camper van adventures and the flexibility in these recipes while we celebrate bringing the podcast back after Renee's cancer treatment! Recipes mentioned in this episode: Shrimp cocktail for dinner (page 365) Gochujang gravy (page 337) Smoky white beans and cauliflower (page 82) Marbella chicken salad (page 277) Ricotta frittata with lemon crumbs (page 32) Sesame chicken meatballs (page 263) Tahini herb pasta salad (page 162) Sticky chicken with pickled vegetables (page 297) Resources mentioned in this episode: Ali Slagle's cute cooking videos from her camper van Join our Cookbook Club! Our Instagram, @cookbookclubshow E-mail us: cookbookclubshow@gmail.com Find Renee and Sara on Instagram: @hipchickdigs and @realtor_saragray Our sponsors: Dropcloth Samplers Cook along with us! Our next cookbook episode (airing 10/2/2024) will be about In Bibi's Kitchen, by Hawa Hassan with Julia Turshen.

Elazar Sontag is a James Beard and National Magazine Award-nominated writer and editor. He's also a Forbes 30 Under 30 recipient. Most importantly, he is currently trying for a 400-pound deadlift. He joined Julia Turshen to talk about powerlifting, eating, queerness, bodies and more.Follow-up links:To pre-order Julia's new book, WHAT GOES WITH WHAT, head here!To sign up for Julia's weekly newsletter, head here.BUILT FOR THIS: THE QUIET STRENGTH OF POWERLIFTING, Julia's long-form essay, can be read here or listened to here.Watch the video about the Queer Barbell Club Julia started at her gym.Follow Elazar on IG right here!

You're listening to Burnt Toast!We are Virginia Sole-Smith and Corinne Fay, and it's time for another Indulgence Gospel. It's the last week of our summer break, so we'll be back after Labor Day with all new podcast episodes for you. We so appreciate everyone who has been continuing to listen and support the podcast during our hiatus. It means a lot to know that our community enjoys our work and cares that we're able to make it sustainable too. So as a thank you for listening, today's Indulgence Gospel rerun has no paywall. We've realized that so many of you on the free list almost never get to hear how hilarious and smart Corinne is — and as paid subscribers know, Indulgence Gospel episodes are truly the heart of the podcast. They are the most fun to make, because they are the episodes where we feel truly in conversation with all of you.If you love this episode, of course we hope you'll consider a paid subscription to Burnt Toast so you can get every paywalled episode we make. And we also hope you'll subscribe to Big Undies, Corinne's new Substack about clothes. And, if you subscribe to Big Undies, you can take 20 percent off your Burnt Toast subscription or vice versa – either way, it gets you all of our content for under $12 per month.This episode contains affiliate links. Shopping our links is a great way to support Burnt Toast! Episode 157 TranscriptVirginiaYou're listening to Burnt Toast! This is the podcast about diet culture, fatphobia, parenting, and health. I'm Virginia Sole-Smith I also write the Burnt Toast newsletter.CorinneAnd I'm Corinne Fay. I work on Burnt Toast and run SellTradePlus, an Instagram account where you can buy and sell plus sized clothing.VirginiaWe have so many good questions this month. A lot of parenting food questions. I think maybe because I just ran the lunchbox piece in the newsletter it's on everybody's minds. But also, as usual, some fat fashion stuff. Clogs are coming up later. And Ozempic, because obviously. So it's gonna be a good one.VirginiaSo before we dive in, how are you doing? What's new with you, Corinne?CorinneI'm doing well. One thing that's new with me is: I just signed up to do a powerlifting meet. So I'm feeling nervous. VirginiaWell, yeah. Is this like a competition thing, where people come and watch? CorinneI think so. I mean, obviously, I've never done something like this before. It's in Albuquerque, and it's being run by my gym. And it's all women's. VirginiaThat sounds very cool. CorinneI'm just having a little of like, Oh, what did I do? Let's see. Wow. Am I going to be the most amateur, weakest person there? I might.VirginiaBut you'll still be super strong and amazing. Because the weakest person at a powerlifting competition is still the strongest person in most other rooms.CorinneThat's a good point. And I think one great thing about lifting is, it's really more about your own goals and competing with yourself. But still.VirginiaSo is it like whoever lifts the most is the winner?CorinneSo my understanding is very loose, but I know there are different weight classes. So you compete against people who are roughly around the same size?.Virginia Interesting. Okay.CorinneAnd then I think it's a cumulative weight of how much you lift, like combined squat, deadlift, bench press. VirginiaWow, that's so cool. Julia Turshen recently did one of these.CorinneI feel like I was slightly influenced by Julia Turshen.VirginiaDid she enable you? Julia, good job! The pictures and videos she posted of it looked super exciting. And it looked like a very professional athletic setting. I would be intimidated for sure.CorinneThe other thing that I'm sure we'll end up talking about again, but you have to wear a singlet which is like, where am I gonna find a singlet? And knee socks.VirginiaKnee socks! Why knee socks? CorinneI'm like, oh my God, I'm never gonna find knee socks that fit me, but I'm trying to figure out if I can wear Universal Standard body shorts as a singlet, because I already have one of those. VirginiaThat feels like a great solution. CorinneIt's singlet-esque? But I don't know what the actual requirements are.VirginiaGirlfriend Collective also has a shorts body suit thing.CorinneI should look into that. VirginiaBut I feel like you should be able to work with what you have. Especially for your first one. Once you're a pro and doing this all the time, you'll get, like, something with rhinestones. CorinneOnce I'm a sponsored Olympic athlete. Yes.VirginiaI love that like we're getting to follow along on the journey. Obviously we're going to need another installment on this afterwards.CorinneOkay, yes. And just to be clear, the meet isn't until July, so, so I have a lot of time to think about it.VirginiaI'm just saying though. A few months ago, you were recommending Casey Johnston and her couch-to-barbell program. And you were like, “I'm just using a broomstick.”CorinneIt's true. VirginiaAnd now!CorinneIt's true and now I'm lifting actual pounds.VirginiaVery, very cool. CorinneYeah, what's new with you? VirginiaI feel like what's new with me is that I am surviving, not thriving a little bit. So this is going to come out in mid-April. So we'll be two weeks out from book launch. So I will either be better or I will be way worse. I mean, having had two children, it's sort of similar to the last month of pregnancy when you're like, it's all you can think about, this thing is happening, but you have no control over it. I mean, at least with the book, you know, like the date it's coming. Which with pregnancy, they have yet to really figure out, unless you're scheduling. But I counted it up this morning, I have recorded 18 podcasts so far. Of other people's podcasts. Like for talking about the book. 18 people's podcasts. CorinneOh whoa. That's wild.VirginiaAnd like, seven of them were in the last week and a half? So I feel like my voice is hanging on by a thread. And I'm just getting a little mush-brained about it. I need to step back a little.Obviously, I am super grateful. I love that people want me to talk about the book. I love that people are excited about the book. I cannot wait for it to be out. But it's just at a point where there are a lot of details. Like, review all the press release materials, review the marketing plan…. I forgot we were recording today. And it's not the first thing I've forgotten. Like, I forgot the kids had a dentist appointment. We made it, but I'm just like, my brain is holding too many pieces of information. Some things are getting dropped. I'm just coming in with a sort of scattered energy. But I've got the Throat Coat Tea that I'm living on right now. And we're gonna do it! CorinneDo you have any upcoming book promo stuff that you're really excited to do?VirginiaWell, I did an interview yesterday that I can't talk about yet, because I don't think it will be out by the time this launches. CorinneTop secret. VirginiaThere are two top secret ones that will be coming out in the week or two after this podcast episode. And they're both very exciting. And I will say that I was very happy with my outfit for one. So that was good. And the other one the outfit matters less because it is not visual. I will say no more! And yeah, that part's been fun, actually figuring out clothes for like the book tour Dacy has been helping me and maybe some time we'll do a follow up about finding clothes for this. Because it's a very specific level of, how dressy do you want to be versus comfortable? So maybe there will be an essay of what I wore for the book tour.CorinneI would love to read that.VirginiaOkay, so we're going to do some questions! The first one is a hot take opportunity. This came in over Instagram multiple times. People would like to know what we saw of Jia Tolentino's Ozempic piece in The New Yorker.CorinneOkay, well, now is my time to be embarrassed when I admit that I read it really lightly. I did a really light skim sort of read, and was like, seems fine. And then I've seen everyone else being like, “This article is horrible.” And I've been like, wow, I really need to revisit that and find out why people are so upset.VirginiaI'm glad to hear people are saying they're upset! I felt like no one was talking about it at all for a little bit. And I was like, what is happening? I feel like the New York magazine piece came out, which I wrote about and that was not great. And then this piece comes out two weeks later, and I'm just like, why? Why did it come out? It's the same piece really. And I want to be clear that I love Jia's work. I loved Trick Mirror. I think she writes phenomenal stuff. The piece she did on Angela Garbes last year was just incredible. And this was… not that. It is very much centering the story on thin people who would like to be thinner if they take Ozempic. There's one fat person interviewed for the story. And, you know, of course, every fat person is entitled to their own experience of fatness. But her quotes just reinforced so many stereotypes. She talks about wanting to lose weight because she feels like she can't hike or run at her current size. And it's like, come on. We can do better. CorinneIf you want to hike and run, you could work on hiking and running?VirginiaRight! There are so many fat hikers and runners on Instagram. CorinneI thought the compounding pharmacy thing was kind of interesting.VirginiaOh, like explaining how sort of like loosey goosey it is and getting the drugs? CorinneBecause I've seen a lot of people on TikTok being like, I'm getting this patented drug from a compounding pharmacy. And I'm like, wait, is that real? Like, what is that? So I thought that part was interesting.VirginiaIt was interesting. But when she goes through the process of getting it herself, I always just worry—this is the eating disorder handbook stuff.Corinne True true. You're literally telling people how to do it. VirginiaAnd I get that that's not hard to find. We all have Google. But is that something The New Yorker should be doing? Does The New Yorker need to teach us how to get our weight loss drugs? I don't know. I feel like the general trend in the Ozempic coverage–And this is not just Jia, not just New York Magazine. But by and large, this coverage has this underlying question of: If we have now found a silver bullet that will make people thin, does that mean we can just forget about anti fat bias? And that is so dark. We cannot just say, now that we have a way to make everybody thin, it's okay to hate fat people, because we can just make them thin.CorinneThat's a good point.VirginiaI'm not judging anyone's individual decisions about this. But this larger discourse is not helpful. That's my hot, grouchy take. CorinneThat's the hot take! I would love to know also, if any listeners have strong feelings about it? VirginiaYes. Comments are open!CorinneOkay, the next question is:Q: The one thing I can't shake as a new mom is worrying about making my daughter fat. How do I shake that? I grew up fat and it was hard. I want better for her. But does that mean dieting?VirginiaThis is a very understandable fear. But no, it does not mean dieting. CorinneI want to validate this parent's worries, because you're coming from a place where it sounds like you struggled a lot. And you don't want your kids to struggle, and that totally makes sense.VirginiaI think what I'm stuck on is, “I grew up fat and it was hard.” Yes, absolutely. Not denying that. But was it hard because you were fat? Or was it hard because the world made fat not okay?And so, this is kind of the Ozempic thing, right? Is the answer to erase fatness by which we mean erase fat people? Or is the answer systemic change and unlearning this bias on a personal level? But I know, that is a terrible question. You cannot make all those systemic changes by yourself. That is not doable. So it is really, really hard.CorinneThe one thing that's sort of not explicit in this question is whether the kid is actually fat.VirginiaShe says she's a new mom. So I'm thinking she has a baby. So she probably doesn't know? CorinneBecause my next thought was, you could talk to your kid about it being hard. But maybe not for a newborn.VirginiaBut maybe start now! Get the conversation going.CorinneStart thinking about it. You can talk to yourself about it. I think now might be a time to start therapy. VirginiaTherapy, always a great option.You are not going to make your daughter thin or fat. You don't actually control her body size. The number of factors that go into determining body sizes is this sort of endless and murky list, and no one really knows what are the largest drivers. But how you feed her, and how much you make her run around are not the largest drivers of her body size. And putting all your energy there is only going to cause damage, which you yourself probably know, because when you say it was hard, I'm guessing that some kind of childhood dieting might have been a piece of that.So I feel like we need to let you off the hook of the “I'm gonna make her fat.” She may be fat. There is nothing wrong with that. It is not your fault. And what she really needs is for you to unconditionally accept her body.CorinneI also think this could be a really good time to think of some advocacy you could do, whether that's looking into school policies about bullying or even at the legislative level, like laws about anti fat bias. Or just trying to be an advocate in your community for body liberation or fat liberation? VirginiaI love that. And I just wanna say this is hard. It is really unfair that that is asked of us. But that is where we are on this issue. And we're only going to make progress if we all approach it from that perspective. CorinneAnd I want to reiterate: The thing about bias is, the solution is never to get rid of the people we're biased against. Or to change them somehow.VirginiaRight. So it's okay. Maybe your daughter is going to be fat and how are you going to support her and advocate for her and make your home a safe space for her body?CorinneAll right, I'm going to read the next one too: Q: I am trying very hard to be very neutral about food with my son who's four years old. From the start, I have not labeled foods as good or bad. I have not restricted access to sweets or desserts. But lately, I've started questioning this. I've always felt pressure because I am not able to manage cooking meals. So from the start, my son was fed using a grazing technique where I would put together various foods and he would eat what he wanted. As he has gotten older, he is more specific in his tastes in a way that feels normal to me, pretty much macaroni and cheese or similar foods most of the time. There are other things he will eat, but I feel a lot of grief about my inability to get it together and provide regular hot balanced meals, also for myself. Recently, I've been trying to limit his intake of sweets just a little bit and it feels like a backside but I've been confused. Only two cookies and even suggesting he eats something before he gets the cookies. This week's mailbag episode made me reorient when you talked about not doing this and reminded me why I wanted to avoid this restriction based language. And I admit the reason I started thinking about this was twofold. I filled out a research survey that made me admit a lot of things about our household eating that I feel low level guilty about and I felt the sting of perceived societal shaming.And my son started talking about treats. I was a bit miffed as categorizing something as a treat, as opposed to food which he labeled the rest as, was something I was trying to avoid. Then I realized this could have come from daycare television, the fact that we give the dog treats, and so I am overreacting. I find it's so hard to be consistent in my parenting in many avenues and food encroaches on that too. Giving food as a reward for example, this is something I do for myself, and I like it. But perhaps it is part of the problem of saving food for a special occasion as opposed to having it because you want it.I need some perspective, please. Is it ever useful to direct a child to a more balanced diet as opposed to just modeling it? I do not mean telling them that specific foods help your eyes. What a relief to see that debunked, but more that many foods are yummy. And basically some form of kid specific ‘everything in moderation.'VirginiaThe first thing I want to say is: You are doing a great job. You are feeding your child. It does not matter that you are not cooking. And that the food is not hot or homemade. It does not matter at all. You are meeting your son's needs by making sure he is fed every day, and making sure that he has enough to eat in order to grow. That's the most important thing and you're doing it. You're winning! You're doing great. And this really drives home for me the stigma we have around the idea that you can't feed kids processed foods, you have to cook meals. All of this is so unhelpful because there are just so many reasons why that model of family meals is not a good fit. There could be disability issues. There could be cost issues, time bandwidth issues, all sorts of hurdles. There could also just be that you don't like cooking. You can still be a good parent and not like cooking. It's not a requirement. SoI just want to encourage you to take some of the shame away. Corinne That's a great place to start. I totally agree. I was thinking about the study that you mention in FAT TALK about how it doesn't matter what you're eating and it much more matters that kids are just eating. VirginiaOh, that's a quote from Katherine Zavodni, who's one of my favorite pediatric dietitians. So teaser for everyone who hasn't read the book yet, but it's a quote that I want to put on our fridge! She says, “The most important thing about good nutrition is making sure kids have enough to eat.” Because if you have enough to eat, all the minutiae of micronutrients, and macronutrients tends to work itself out. Now, obviously, there are kids with severe food issues like feeding disorders, allergies or other medical conditions where it may be more complicated. Their nutritional needs may be more specific. But if your kid is not dealing with one of those things, and has enough to eat on any given day, you have done your job as a parent.CorinneAnd you also talked about the studies on family meals, right? And how the benefits come from eating together rather than making sure it's a home-cooked meal. VirginiaI'm so glad you brought that up. All the research on family dinners, which talks about how important they are for kids' overall well-being and health—it's because families are spending time together. So you could do that around breakfast, you could do that around a snack, you could do that in ways that have nothing to do with food. Like maybe you regularly have a long car ride to commute to school and work together. And that's when you talk and catch up on your day. Kids need connected time with their caregivers. Food is just one helpful way to do it.CorinneIt doesn't matter if you are eating snack plates, or macaroni. VirginiaSome of my most connected meals with my kids are when we're eating takeout or bowls of Cheerios for dinner! Because everyone is relaxed and you can focus on each other. And you're not in this place of, “I put all this work into this meal and nobody likes it.”. So then let's talk about feeling like you need to limit his intake of sweets. I think you're going there because you're feeling ashamed about what you're doing. So I'm hoping just lifting some of the shame lets you step back from that a little bit. I also think the research shows pretty clearly that requiring kids to eat in very specific ways, like micromanaging their plate by saying “you have to eat something else before you get the cookies” or “only two cookies,” does not. in the long-term, serve kids' relationship with food. It tends to result in kids who are overly fixated on the foods that have a lot of rules around them. You're going to find yourself in power struggles where it's like, why only two cookies, why not three cookies, why not two and a half cookies.Don't feel bad that you've done this, because I think we all get into these sort of panic moments where we do this because we're just struggling and it feels like the “right thing to do.” But I don't think it will ultimately serve you or serve your child. I think modeling eating a variety of foods is the best thing we can do. And even using phrases like “balance” or “everything in moderation,” I don't love because not every day is going to be about moderation. And that can turn into a rule. Because what is “moderation?” And then the last thing I'll say is, I think we touched on this in a previous episode. But I don't think treat needs to be a bad word. Yes, we give the dog treats. Dogs' existences are largely treat-based, at least in my house. We give ourselves food as rewards when we're stressed out or we need some extra comfort. When we talk about keeping all foods neutral, I think we can take it too far, to this place where it feels like we're not supposed to have any feelings about food at all. And that is not realistic or fair, or in line with how humans interact with foods.So we do use the word treat in our house. And this came up with the lunchbox piece because I have a category of treats on the little chart I made for Beatrix and folks were like, “I can't believe you have a treat category.” And I realized they had a different definition of that word. If you don't have restrictive rules around when or how much treats you can eat, then treat is a neutral word. It just means foods that feel extra fun. Just something extra fun you want to have on your plate along with your other foods. And if you're not saying “we only eat treats once a day,” or “we only eat treats on Saturdays;” if it's not paired with restrictive language, then it's still keeping foods neutral. Does that make sense?CorinneI think especially with the lunch box example, you're using treat as a category to make sure you're getting a treat. That seems really positive.VirginiaBecause I want them to know that those foods are welcome in their lunchboxes. Yes.CorinneOr required, even! VirginiaNone of it's required, Corinne, they can skip the treat if they want! But it's a part of the meal. CorinneMaybe that's a way that this person could reframe it. It feels like you're hearing your kid say treat and thinking they're feeling like it's something to be restricted. When could you be like, “Let's make sure you're getting enough treats.”VirginiaThat's a great re-framing. I hope this helps. This is a big question. And I can tell you're working through a lot of big stuff. So we would like an update. Please keep us posted!CorinneYou're doing a great job.VirginiaYes. CorinneI'm gonna read the next one as well. Q: My daughter is in fifth grade. At school she's often given food in addition to what she brings for her lunch and snacks. Candy is handed out as an incentive. Snacks, as well as non-edible items, are available to purchase with Classroom Bucks earned for good behavior. Several days a week she has after school activities that include a good deal of snacking. For the most part, I've accepted that I have no control over what she eats when she's away from me. However, she is regularly coming home not hungry for the dinner I've prepared. It's becoming more frequent lately that she'll snack so much at school, and at after school activities, that she will eat only a couple bites of dinner, and occasionally nothing at all. Dinners are usually meals she likes and she always has the opportunity to choose a backup option if she doesn't. So I don't think it's an issue of filling up because she won't get food she likes at dinner. She chooses and packs her own lunch and snack. We generally have a rule that if you put it on the grocery list, Mom will buy it, which is to say she has a lot of control of choice and regular access to candy and snack foods, both at home and in her lunch.Is it diet culture to expect her to come to dinner ready to eat? Or is it valid for me to feel miffed that she's already full? And yeah, I realize we'll all have an off day or skip a meal once in a while. This is becoming a regular occurrence though.VirginiaI don't think it's diet culture exactly. I think it's performative parenting culture a little bit, where we are very tied to this idea that, again, the family dinner is this all-important cornerstone of the day, where we have to provide a certain kind of meal. And that it is only successful if our children eat the meal. If they participate in, and enjoy the meal. And even if we're like, “they can choose how much they're hungry for,” if they don't want to eat it at all, it's really hard.I say this from extensive personal experience. It's really hard to not feel like you failed because you're like, “I just spent 40 minutes making this and you ate two bites and ran away.” But what I also want to say is: 9 out of 10 family dinners in my house involve one or both children eating two bites of the meal and running away. I think it's very, very, very common at sort of all ages. And yes, it is often because they had a lot of snacks in the afternoon. Because that is when they were really hungry and needed to eat. And so my expectation that 5:30 or 6:00 pm is when we're all going to sit down and eat this big meal together is out of line with the reality of at 3:30 or 4:30 pm, they are ravenous and need to eat. And so we're just always going to have that mismatch and it is what it is. Nobody needs to feel bad.CorinneThis relates back a little to the parent who's feeling guilty about not cooking meals. It's kind of the flip side where this parent is cooking meals and feeling bad about them.VirginiaI also want to speak to the piece about food given out at school. I don't love candy being handed out as an incentive in class. And that is not because I don't want the kids eating the candy. It's because I think it does play into making candy seem so special and coveted. And for kids who have more restrictive relationships with candy at home, I don't feel like it's helpful. Does that make sense? I don't have a problem with there being a birthday party in class and everyone's eating cupcakes or candy just being there, like if the teacher just wants to have a candy jar on their desk and kids can help themselves. But it's layering on the messages about earning the candy that I really don't love. Because diet culture is going to teach kids so many different ways that you have to earn your treats.But I have not figured out a way to eradicate this practice from the American public school system. It's a very common tactic. And I think teachers have very, very hard jobs and if handing out M&Ms for getting math problems right makes it easier to do their job? I don't know, man, I think that's where we are. CorinneYeah. VirginiaAnd if it's happening in the context of, your child also has all this great regular access to candy and treats because like you said, you're involving her in the grocery list and lunch packing and all that, then I don't think it being handed out as an incentive is going to do that much damage.They can understand that at school, M&Ms are being given as a reward. And at home, there is a bag of M&Ms that I can just eat.CorinneWith the teachers handing out candy as incentives, I'm worried more about the kids who are not getting candy as incentives.VirginiaOh, what a terrible message. That's so sad. You did this wrong. No candy for you. It is tricky. And I mean, I don't mind kids purchasing snacks with Classroom Bucks. That feels a little more diffuse to me. That's giving them some independence. And after school activities should include snacks because the majority of children are starving after school. I think the key here is don't demonize the way she's eating because she's getting her needs met. Just maybe take some pressure off yourself. If dinner is usually something she likes, if there's an option to choose a backup option and she doesn't, then she's just not hungry. CorinneAnd maybe that can take some of the pressure off dinner. Like maybe you just make a snack plate.VirginiaSomething simpler. Or make something you're really excited to eat.CorinneSomething you like! VirginiaThat's what I often do when I can tell the kids are not in like super dinner oriented phases. I'm like, Okay, then I'm picking what I want. And we also do a bedtime snack. And in fifth grade, she's probably staying up late enough that she's up a few hours after dinner. And if she was really hungry for dinner at 3pm, and then she wasn't that hungry for real dinner at 6pm, by 8 or 9pm, she probably needs something before she goes to bed. Alright, should I read the next one? Q: My question is about restricting food, not for dietary reasons, but because of the financial and waste concerns. My spouse and I wince when we see our kids drowning their waffles in maple syrup and leaving a plateful of it, eating all the prepackaged expensive foods we try to save for their lunches and eating all the Girl Scout cookies so they don't have to share them with a sibling.I've told my kids that they never need to hide food, but I find them doing so in order to get the last of something like the Oreos they want to keep from their brother. I buy Oreos every time we go to the store, and our house has plenty of sweets and other snack foods, but eventually we will run out of things. How do we keep them out of the scarcity mindset while still dealing with the realities of eating with a family? I really feel you on the syrup. It's so expensive. CorinneI know I was thinking you're basically watching your kid pour gold on their pancakes. VirginiaIt's so much. CorinneI mean this whole question is relatable to me. I definitely had some anxiety growing up about like, I feel like my dad would always eat stuff that I wanted, like leftovers or like the last cookie or something, you know?VirginiaYeah, it's really tricky because the bummer answer to this is: A finance-based scarcity mindset can be just as damaging as a diet-culture based scarcity mindset.CorinneSo true. VirginiaKids who grow up without enough to eat, or with this sort of ever-present worry about there being enough to eat often end up with some disordered eating stuff down the road, understandably, because when there is food, they'll feel like, “I have to eat it all. Because I don't know what I'm going to eat it again.” It's totally logical. So this can be really tough. And I'm not sure from this question, if you are struggling to afford these foods? Is there a true food insecurity issue in your house? Or if it's more just, you are on a budget. CorinneYou only go grocery shopping once a week and Oreos don't last the whole week.VirginiaSo I'm not sure which one we're dealing with. But I just want to say if affording food is really hard for you, then obviously, your first priority is getting whatever support you can around that. Which could be finding out if you're eligible for SNAP benefits, making sure your kids are on the school lunch program, all the stuff that I am sure you are already doing. And don't need me to explain to you.If it's more just the “Good God, that was a $9 bottle of syrup” moment, I think it's okay to say to kids, “This is a more expensive food.” So we're going to be mindful of that. With syrup, if you have little ramekins or bowls, you can say, “We're going to give everyone their own syrup.” And pour generously! Don't flood the plate the way they would flood the plate, but pour generously enough so that every kid feels like they have their own and they don't have to share it.We do this sometimes with something like brownies. Or if we have cake or some dessert that we don't have as often. When I know the kids are going to be really excited about it, I often will just go ahead and portion it out. Not because I'm trying to control how much they eat. But because I want them to know, “I'm definitely getting mine.” This actually just happened with Cadbury Mini Eggs, which are just a prime example of a scarcity mindset food because you can only get them for a month a year and they're the best candy. It's so hard! Dan brought home a big family-size bag from the grocery store. And between me and the girls, it was gone by the next night and he was like, “Really? Really? There are none left?” I think he was mad he didn't get any. But I was like, “Yeah, no there are none left.” I know that you thought that was a big bag, but we haven't had these in ages and we're all real jazzed about it.CorinneYou need to start portioning out some for Dan.VirginiaI suppose that would have been nice of me. CorinneSo if you're portioning out the brownie—what does that mean? Like you cut the brownies into four squares and give everyone a square? VirginiaI usually give everyone two squares because I feel one brownie is never enough.CorinneOh, you cut them into normal sized pieces. VirginiaOh yes. I just cut up the brownies. But rather than put the pan of brownies in the middle of the table, which might make everyone worry, like, “Am I going to get the piece I want?” Especially because, in my household, center-of-the-pan brownies are highly coveted. It's a whole thing.  So I'll just go ahead and be like, “Here's your center brownie.” So they don't have to be anxious about whether they'll get one.Maybe also, talk to your kids about which foods they worry about wanting the most. It's useful to know what that is. So you can think about how to ease up that fear, in a way that is in line with your budget. But maybe the kid who's hiding the Oreos, you buy them their own jumbo bag of Oreos and they don't have to share. And maybe if that's in your budget, you do that for a few weeks and see how that goes. And maybe every kid gets their own favorite snack food in that kind of quantity, which they don't have to share with a sibling. And then it's understood that all the other stuff is shared. It's not teaching restriction or scarcity to say, “Okay, let's make sure everyone has their seconds before you have thirds.” That's manners. That's okay. CorinneOr to maybe just one week buy like super extra amounts of Oreos and be like, eat as many Oreos as you want this week. VirginiaAnd see what they do with that. That would be interesting.CorinneAll right. Here's a question for you: How comfortable are your Charlotte Stone clogs?VirginiaThey are comfortable for clogs, is what I would say. And I love clogs very much. But they are a little bit of a scam in that they are not actually the most comfortable shoe. So I do not equate them to sneakers. For sure sneakers are more comfortable. Birkenstocks are more comfortable. But I wear my Charlotte Stone clogs the way other people might wear a ballet flat, or a loafer, like a dressier shoe. And I feel like no dressy shoe is ever really that comfortable. They're pinchy or they give you blisters. And so by that standard, these are quite comfortable. Because they have a built-in memory foam padding situation. So you're not walking on a block of wood the way you are with some clogs. I feel like I got shin splints from those, back in the day. They're definitely more comfortable than that. But I wore them downtown yesterday. And I did move my car to avoid walking two blocks because it was uphill. So I don't wear them for extensive walking. CorinneBut you would say they're more comfortable than some clogs?VirginiaI think yes. Of the various cute clog brands.CorinneFashion clogs.VirginiaThey are the most comfortable fashion clog I have tried and I have tried probably three or four brands. Like they're better than Number Six. They're better than Swedish Hasbeens. CorinneMy issue is that clogs are always too narrow for me. I can never find clogs that fit.VirginiaYeah, and I mean I have narrower feet, so I don't know how useful Charlotte Stone is on that front.CorinneThey do have a lot of sizing info. I tried some Charlotte Stone non-clogs, like they had a cute sneaker-ish thing, because they go up to size 12. Which should be what my size is, but they were way too narrow. Like I could not even get my foot in.VirginiaThat's such a bummer. Somebody could get into the wide width clog market and do very well.CorinneOh God, seriously. I found one clog that works for wide-ish feet. It's called Haga Trotoffel or something.VirginiaThat sounded like a very accurate pronunciation. CorinneI've had a pair, but it's the non-padded pure wood kind. So it's just not super comfortable to me.VirginiaThose are rough. Ever since I sprained my ankle, I am very cautious. Where am I going to wear these clogs? What sort of terrain am I walking? I really want to find some cute ones with a strap at the back for more stability. I think Charlotte Stone has ones with a strap that I'm thinking about trying, except I don't need more clogs. CorinneNumber Six also has some that are really cute and the base is almost flat. That might be more uncomfortable. I don't know.VirginiaWell I wear the lowest height Charlotte Stone clog. I do not go for their super platforms. I am not 22. That chapter of my life is closed. But they're not a Dansko clog! Let's be clear. And, I would say to be realistic that if you live on the east coast, or the Midwest, they're like, a three month a year shoe. They're great in the spring. They're great in the fall. They're going to be too hot in the summer and they're going to be useless in the winter. So factor that in. Okay, so next up: Q: I have a question about chafing. Since giving birth for the second time in 2021, my body has changed and I probably fall in the small fat category. I've dealt with chafing between my thighs and in the summers before, but now that I have to wear outside clothes and get out of the house more, I am dealing with chafing in the groin area even in the winter, which is the thing I didn't I don't have prior experience with. I am looking for recommendations for underwear that have a wide enough gusset to hopefully prevent this. And any other tips to be more comfortable in this regard with this new body of mine? Corinne, you're the underwear queen!CorinneI have a lot of thoughts about this.VirginiaYou are the resident Burnt Toast underwear expert.CorinneMy first thought is: Are we sure this is a chafing issue? VirginiaOh, what else could it be? CorinneWell, another thing that can happen when you become fat is you get irritation in your skin folds area. So just something to throw out there, because I've heard people having confusion around that before. It's like a yeast infection you can get in your skin folds. It's like a diaper rash. And you can treat it with diaper rash cream or zinc cream.VirginiaAquaphor?CorinneNo! Aquaphor? Isn't Aquaphor like Vaseline?VirginiaYeah, but I used it on my kids' butts when they had diaper rash. CorinneOkay, well, maybe I don't know anything about diaper rash.VirginiaMaybe that was a bad move.CorinneI feel like a lot of diaper rash cream has zinc in it, and it coats your skin to protect it. VirginiaI know what you're talking about now.CorinneIn terms of wider gusset underwear, there are not a lot of good options. The one option that I have found out about which I have not tried but have ordered and am currently waiting on is this underwear from the brand Panty Drop. I'm kind of confused about what's going on with them because it seems like they merged with another brand which was Kade & Vos. Okay. But they claimed to have wider gusset underwear. And another thing you could consider would be boxers or boxer briefs.VirginiaI was wondering about even a boy's short underwear. Something that has a longer thigh situation.CorinneIt goes down further.VirginiaOr bike shorts as underwear. CorinneAnd I mean, people definitely make chafing shorts. VirginiaYes! I just ordered some from Snag.CorinnePeople also like Thigh Society. So you could shop around and look for chafing shorts that you could just wear as underwear. VirginiaRight, just under your jeans or other hard pants, And where are you on MegaBabe or the other chafing balms? Do you have one you like?CorinneI have MegaBabe. I almost never need it. Just, whatever way that I'm designed, it's not an issue for me right now. Virginia I get chafing but I haven't tried MegaBabe. I actually have a very low tech hack. But I use Old Spice antiperspirant, which is my husband's antiperspirant, and I use that as my antiperspirant. And so then I just put it between my thighs as well. And I find that holds up pretty well. I sometimes have to reapply it during the day, like on a very hot day. And one of the reasons I think I don't wear dresses as much anymore is, chafing is an automatic reality in dresses. And some shorts too, depending on how they're cut. So we feel you. This is a reality of fat life for sure! CorinneIf you have fat friends, you can talk to them about it because a lot of people have this problem.VIrginiaIt's an evergreen conversation. Everyone will have opinions.CorinneOkay, next question: Q: Any tips on changing the dialogue with mom friends or friends in general who are progressive and informed otherwise, but still mired in diet culture? I feel like I'm the only one who isn't intermittent fasting or doing keto.VirginiaI posted a meme on Instagram today, there was something like to all the women who are bullying each other to order salads, aren't you so sad that you hate your life so much. And my DMs are currently flooded with people asking some version of this question: How do I keep going out to dinner with my friends who are so in this space? One person was telling me about being out to dinner and this group of women were trying to split tacos. Like tacos are small to start with. And they were all like, “Well, I can't eat a whole one.”CorinneI'm like, “Am I ordering 9 or 12.”VirginiaCorrect. The number of tacos I need to be full is a very high number. I would not split one in two. It's already only two bites!CorinneIt's like trying to split a popsicle.VirginiaIt's a total mess. So I feel like my first piece of advice is, can you make new friends? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I know. CorinneMy first piece of advice is just like, Man up. Tell them you don't want to talk about it.VirginiaThat's better than mine.CorinneI mean, maybe it's harsh. It's a little tough love. Your advice is good too. There's gotta be other people out there who are sick of this. Like, every person I know could benefit from some examination of their relationship with diet culture. So I just feel like, you can't be the only one who's struggling.VirginiaThere are almost 30,000 people subscribed to this newsletter, who probably feel the same way as you because why else are they reading the newsletter and listening to this podcast?.CorinneOkay. Actually, this is a little off topic. But can I tell you something? So, as previously discussed, I go to the gym. I have a trainer there. And this week, when I saw her, she was like, “Hey, so this person contacted me who found me through Burnt Toast.” VirginiaYay! CorinneSo I'm just saying what that basically means is there is another person in the city that I live in, who's reading Burnt tToast who I don't know. And none of my friends know. VirginiaRight! But who maybe would be an awesome friend. CorinneOr who at least also has some skepticism of diet culture stuff.  So that's got to be true for you as well.VirginiaAnd you have powerlifting in common! Yes, in my close group of friends, we really never talk about this. And maybe it's because they read the newsletter and know that I'm not the friend for this. CorinneThey're scared. VirginiaBut we have so many better conversations because this is off the table for us. And we never made a conscious decision to do it. It just kind of happened. I do feel like in the past, we had more diet-y conversations. And we've all kind of shifted away from it. And it's been lovely and great for our friendships. And so maybe you do need to officially say it to these people: I love you. But I just don't want to talk about diets. This really isn't good for me. I just end up feeling shitty about myself. And there are so many more interesting things to talk about here.CorinneYeah. I think it's good for people to know that too. If people are totally unaware that talking about their diets constantly is hurting people, then they should know. And they deserve to know that.VirginiaCompletely agree. And often this talk is very performative because we think we have to talk this way. And so you being the first one to say, “What if we just ordered what we wanted to eat and didn't do this whole dance?” I call it like playing the game of Salad Chicken, where you're like,“Could I order the pasta? No, not if she's ordering the salad.” Like, if you could not do that? Man, dinner is gonna be way more fun. So just give people permission to not do it and see what happens. And if they really can't get there, then I circle back to: Can you have other friends? Or can you say to them, I don't want to spend our time talking about this but I'm really sorry you're struggling and how can I support you?CorinneOh my God, I love the idea of responding to someone who's excited about intermittent fasting with, “I'm sorry, you're struggling.”VirginiaHow can I support you in this starvation?CorinneI'm so sorry that you're not eating food.VirginiaYou're right. That might not be the moment.CorinneNo, I like it. VirginiaI think it could work? I think it's an option. CorinneI mean, I think this is also that sort of situation where you can be like, “It's so interesting that we're all so focused on our weird diets.”VirginiaThe patented Corinne “It's so interesting!”CorinneJust an anthropological, outsider observation.VirginiaIt's always, always a good moment for that. All right. Should we do Butter? CorinneYes. I do have a Butter. What I want to recommend is this recipe called Trouble Cookies. It's from a cookbook called Mother Grains, but it's also on the Bon Appetit website. And I feel like it's a little annoying to recommend because it does have a really annoying to find ingredient which is sorghum flour. [Reminder that if you preorder FAT TALK from Split Rock Books, you can also take 10 percent off any book mentioned on the podcast!]VirginiaOh Lord.CorinneBut you can order it from the internet!VirginiaCorinne will find a link for you.CorinneBob's Red Mill's has it. So if you have that kind of grocery store. Anyways, they also have coconut cashews and toffee bits and are extremely delicious. I've been trying to get my mom to make them for like a month and now I'm moving on to the Burnt Toast community. Please make Trouble Cookies and tell me how good they are.VirginiaI will try them. I will report back if I can get it together to get sorghum flour. I could use a new cookie. We're just a standard chocolate chip cookie household. CorinneI feel like chocolate chip cookies are good. But sometimes, a different direction is really good, too. VirginiaIs there chocolate in it? CorinneNo, it's coconut toffee bits cashews.VirginiaCould I put chocolate chips in instead of the toffee bits.CorinneI mean, I feel like you could? But it's really good. Do you not like caramel-y, coconut-y stuff?VirginiaAmy will tell you it is very hard for me to have a dessert that doesn't have chocolate in it.CorinneOkay, this one is not for you. VirginiaI'm just always like, but where's the chocolate? CorinneOh my God.VirginiaWhat am I doing here?Corinne I'm the opposite. And I mean, I really like chocolate. But I also really like a coconut-y caramel-y vibe. VirginiaI do too. I'm just like, but how much better if there was chocolate. That's all I'm saying.CorinneI feel like maybe you could dip it in chocolate? VirginiaAll right. I don't know. I'll try them out. I'll report back. Maybe I'll do half the batch with the toffee, half the batch with the chocolate chips. I can tell you my kids won't touch them if there's no chocolate. So that's like a non-starter. CorinneReally? Wow.VirginiaOh, please. CorinneI feel like a lot of kids don't like chocolate. VirginiaThat is not the case in the Sole-Smith home. See previous anecdote regarding Mini Eggs consumed in a day. And center brownies. It's very clear what we've come here to do.CorinneAll right, what's your Butter?VirginiaAll right, my Butter is, I am breaking up with underwire bras. Breaking news. CorinneThis is big news. VirginiaYou've all been wondering. I'm not totally breaking up with them because I haven't quite found a non-underwire bra that works under every outfit. Because there can be a uniboob situation? But I have recently purchased some non-underwire bras. And I realize now that I don't know how I made it through the whole pandemic while still wearing underwire bras every day. Every day!CorinneMe neither! I feel like when we originally talked about bras on a mailbag episode, I recommended the bras that you ended up getting.VirginiaThe True & Co bras? CorinneYes! And you were like, “Oh, never heard of them.” VirginiaWell, you influenced me. And then Marielle Elizabeth really influenced me. And I bought a bunch of them and they're awesome.CorinneThey're really good. The sizing is super flexible. I can wear anywhere from a 1x to a 3x. And I have a big chest.VirginiaYou do have to look for the full cup. Because I ordered some that were like a half cup and they do not work if you are someone with a big chest. CorinneYes, they have full cups and regular cups. VirginiaSo you have to look for the full cup. I can only find them on Amazon right now. I don't know. CorinneThey're only on Amazon now. VirginiaIt's really irritating. I would like there to be other options. But the other one I'm wearing a lot of, is I have some of the Paloma bras from Girlfriend Collective. And actually, this one isn't the Paloma, it's the high necked? I don't know. But I like it because it feels just like a tank. Yeah, I don't know why it's taken me so long to get here. I will be 42 a few weeks after you hear this episode. It's taken me a while. But now, I realize that I don't have to accept permanent marks on the side of my body from bras. Like what was I doing? I think I thought I really needed more structure. I'll unpack it all in an essay at some point. But for now, I just want to report the liberation that I am wearing underwire bras much less frequently. And it's delightful. CorinneI love that. VirginiaAll right. Thank you all so much for listening to Burnt Toast!CorinneIf you'd like to support the show, please subscribe for free in your podcast player and leave us a rating or review. These really help folks find the show.The Burnt Toast Podcast is produced and hosted by Virginia Sole-Smith (follow me on Instagram) and Corinne Fay, who runs @SellTradePlus, and Big Undies—subscribe for 20% off! The Burnt Toast logo is by Deanna Lowe.Our theme music is by Jeff Bailey and Chris Maxwell.Tommy Harron is our audio engineer.Thanks for listening and for supporting anti-diet, body liberation journalism! This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit virginiasolesmith.substack.com/subscribe

Alex Lau is a food and travel photographer from San Francisco. When not sitting in car rentals and airport terminals, he is the proud owner of three dogs named Rocco, Ellie, and Nina. With the rest of his free time, he trains and competes as a nationally ranked powerlifter. He joined Julia Turshen for a conversation about his lifting.Follow-up links:To pre-order Julia's new book, WHAT GOES WITH WHAT, head here!To sign up for Julia's weekly newsletter, head here.BUILT FOR THIS: THE QUIET STRENGTH OF POWERLIFTING, Julia's long-form essay, can be read here or listened to here.Watch the video about the Queer Barbell Club Julia started at her gym.Follow Alex on IG right here!

Gabi Dixson, a Multi-World Record Breaking Athlete, has been named the 5th Worlds Strongest Woman. She is also a model, public speaker, musician, and social worker with over a decade of experience. She joins Julia Turshen for a conversation about her life and strength.Follow-up links:To pre-order Julia's new book, WHAT GOES WITH WHAT, head here!To sign up for Julia's weekly newsletter, head here.BUILT FOR THIS: THE QUIET STRENGTH OF POWERLIFTING, Julia's long-form essay, can be read here or listened to here.Watch the video about the Queer Barbell Club Julia started at her gym.Follow Gabi on IG right here!Watch her do the “Hercules Hold” right here!

Ashley Dyce, a Para Powerlifter, joins Julia Turshen for a conversation about athletic career and what drives her.Follow-up links:To pre-order Julia's new book, WHAT GOES WITH WHAT, head here!To sign up for Julia's weekly newsletter, head here.BUILT FOR THIS: THE QUIET STRENGTH OF POWERLIFTING, Julia's long-form essay, can be read here or listened to here.Watch the video about the Queer Barbell Club Julia started at her gym.Follow Ashely and her lifting on IG at @ashleiie225!

Corinne Fay, the person behind Big Undies, a Substack newsletter about clothes, and @SellTradePlus, a peer-to-peer plus size resale community, joins Julia Turshen for a conversation about powerlifting, bodies, queerness and more.Follow-up links:To pre-order Julia's new book, WHAT GOES WITH WHAT, head here!To sign up for Julia's weekly newsletter, head here.BUILT FOR THIS: THE QUIET STRENGTH OF POWERLIFTING, Julia's long-form essay, can be read here or listened to here.Watch the video about the Queer Barbell Club Julia started at her gym.Read Big Undies right here.Follow everything Burnt Toast right here.Check out @SellTradePlus.

Casey Johnston, the writer behind She's a Beast, Ask a Swole Woman and LIFTOFF: Couch to Barbell, joins Julia Turshen for a conversation about lifting and writing about it.Follow-up links:To pre-order Julia's new book, WHAT GOES WITH WHAT, head here!To sign up for Julia's weekly newsletter, head here.BUILT FOR THIS: THE QUIET STRENGTH OF POWERLIFTING, Julia's long-form essay, can be read here or listened to here.Watch the video about the Queer Barbell Club Julia started at her gym.For more about Casey and her work, head here.For more about LIFTOFF: Couch to Barbell, head here.To signup for She's a Beast, Casey's newsletter, head here.Follow Casey on IG right here.

Welcome to this week's Busy Body Podcast episode!Today I'm speaking with Chef and Author Julia TurshenOn this episode Julia and I discuss her new found love of strength training and competing. She wrote about in depth about it in her beautiful essay, curated and edited by Roxanne Gay and Everand Originals, entitled Built For This: The Quiet Strength of Powerlifting. You can read it HERE.We had such a lovely, insightful conversation about what 'fitness' means, listening to our bodies, and the connection through movement that is possible for us all.You can find Julia Turshen on instagram HEREAnd definitely check out her newbie-cook accessible virtual classes HEREHer latest cookbook, What Goes With What is available at that link for pre-order and HEREIf you liked todays episode please like, share, rate and review!I'm teaching live virtual 30 minute classes (plus recordings) all summer long - come hang out with me!You can also still hop into my Self Paced Summer Series which includes TWO live virtual 30 minute consult sessions with me.Or join my monthly live virtual Fascia Release™ Workshop (plus recording!) for chronic pain and tension relief!Busy Body is produced by Train Sound StudioMusic written by Robert Bryn, performed by Wild Yaks Get full access to After Class with Cadence at cadencedubusbrooklynstrength.substack.com/subscribe

Laura Khoudari, a trauma-informed wellness writer, coach, and storyteller, is the author of Lifting Heavy Things: Healing Trauma One Rep at a Time. She joins Julia Turshen in a conversation about lifting heavy stuff, knowing when to stop lifting heavy stuff, and how to approach it all from a holistic, embodied lens.Follow-up links:To pre-order Julia's new book, WHAT GOES WITH WHAT, head here!To sign up for Julia's weekly newsletter, head here.BUILT FOR THIS: THE QUIET STRENGTH OF POWERLIFTING, Julia's long-form essay, can be read here or listened to here.Watch the video about the Queer Barbell Club Julia started at her gym.Order Laura's book Lifting Heavy Things: www.laurakhoudari.com/lhtOrder Laura's zine Top 10 Things I Cooked Last Year www.laurakhoudari.com/cnfFollow Laura:: @laurakhoudari on Instagram and on Medium at laura-khoudari.medium.comRead Laura's Substack here: Tender at the Desk and Stove

Cookbook author Julia Turshen joins us to discuss her history with an eating disorder and how orthorexic thinking showed up in her work, how a loved one's boundary on diet talk helped her realize her relationship with food was problematic, how letting go of diet and wellness rules changed her cooking, how social media is like diet culture and how she's taken a big step back from it, and more.Julia Turshen is a New York Times bestselling cookbook author. Her latest book, Simply Julia, is a national bestseller. She has written for multiple publications including The New York Times, The Washington Post, Vogue, and more. She is the founder of Equity At The Table (EATT), an inclusive digital directory of women/non-binary individuals in food, and the host and producer of the podcast Keep Calm and Cook On. She sits on the Kitchen Cabinet Advisory Board for the Smithsonian's National Museum of American History and is a member of God's Love We Deliver's Culinary Council. She lives in the Hudson Valley with her spouse Grace and their pets. She teaches live cooking classes every Sunday afternoon. Find her online at juliaturshen.com.If you like this conversation, subscribe to hear lots more like it! You can also sign up to get the podcast in your inbox (with a full transcript), plus biweekly Q&As about wellness culture, at rethinkingwellness.substack.com.Christy's new book, The Wellness Trap, is now available wherever books are sold! Order it online or ask for it in your favorite local bookstore.If you're looking to make peace with food and break free from diet and wellness culture, come check out Christy's Intuitive Eating Fundamentals online course. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit rethinkingwellness.substack.com/subscribe

 Julia Turshen is a New York Times bestselling cookbook author. She writes a weekly newsletter and teaches cooking classes most Sunday afternoons. Her newest cookbook, What Goes with What, will be out in October 2024.Subscribe to Julia's newsletter, Keep Calm & Cook On HERE. Today's episode is based on this installment of the newsletter.  Call Zak on the advice show hotline @ 844-935-BEST---Wanna help Zak continue making this show? Become a Best Advice Show Patron @ https://www.patreon.com/bestadviceshow---Share this episode on IG @BestAdviceShow

In this episode, I chat with Celia Sack, founder and owner of Omnivore Books about cookbooks, cooking disasters and achievements, her favorite cookbooks, and the growing geographical scope of cookbooks. Located in an old butcher shop in Noe Valley, Omnivore Books is a cherished epicurean hub blending a passion for food and the pleasures of reading. As the Bay Area's only culinary bookshop, Omnivore Books specializes in new and vintage books on food and drink. They are open daily and staffed by passionate cookbook lovers who will happily guide you to the perfect book. When Celia Sack's fascination for the culinary universe first bloomed, it was hardly imaginable that her path would weave through the nuanced worlds of rare golf books straight into the heart of Omnivore Books. Cookbooks, she reveals, are conduits of solidarity and understanding, opening palates and minds alike to the diverse tapestry of global heritage. The physicality of leafing through a cookbook receives its due reverence too; it's likened to the full-bodied experience of listening to an entire music album, where each recipe is a track in the soundtrack of our culinary landscape.Enjoy!MandyOmnivore BooksThe Zuni Café Cookbook, Judy RogersCookbooks by Alison RomanAbsolution, Alice McDermottCannery Row, John SteinbeckNorth Woods, Daniel MasonTwain's Feast: Searching for America's Lost Foods in the Footsteps of Samuel Clemens: Andrew BeahrsPraisesong for the Kitchen Ghosts: Stories and Recipes from Five Generations of Black Country Cooks, Crystal Wilkinson A Fortunate Life, A.B. FaceySmall Victories: Recipes, Advice + Hundreds of Ideas for Home Cooking Triumphs, Julia Turshen 97 Orchard: An Edible History of Five Immigrant Families in One New York Tenement,  Jane ZieglemanSupport the showThe Bookshop PodcastMandy Jackson-BeverlySocial Media Links

Episode 130 December 7, 2023 On the Needles 0.46 ALL KNITTING LINKS GO TO RAVELRY UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTED.  Please visit our Instagram page @craftcookreadrepeat for non-Rav photos and info   Roam by Dawn Barker, Rainbow Peak Yarns super sock in Luminosity II (Lula Faye Fibre)   Ilha by Orlane Sucche, SugarPlum Circus sock in Scorpio named after the art of basket weaving art from the Portuguese village Ilha.   Easy Satan Devil Horns by Kitty McKay, Madelinetosh Tosh Sport in Scarlet– DONE!! Christmas is the New Black by Anneh Fletcher, Lollipop Yarn Quintessential in We Need a Little Christmas (started December 2022, yarn 2016)   Zemy's 2023 advent by Tricia Weatherston, Sincere Sheep Coastal in Firsts (made here club 2021)  Snow Matter What by Sarah Schira  Make gnome mistake by Sarah Schira, christmas tree in snow by Jeannette Murphy, Cascade Yarns Heritage Sock in Snow, Porter Wool Co Fingering in Huntress Gingerbread House Socks by Helen Stewart, NNK hand dyed yarns DK 8 ply sock in Gingerbread House     On the Easel 12:23 Botticelli's Drawings! Gouachevember wrap Birds in December with Blueshine Art 2024 Calendar On the Table 18:47 vegetarian cassoulet – smitten kitchen Leeks, carrots, celery, white beans, diced tomatoes, tomato paste, breadcrumbs   Quinoa Tacos (EASY Crockpot Recipe!) - Chelsea's Messy Apron Quinoa, black beans, tomatoes, corn, enchilada sauce, taco seasoning   Julia Turshen class– easy “deviled” eggs Cranberry Whiskey Sours (also no or low alcohol) Spiced Mulled Wine Pork + Pineapple Bites (SJ) Smoky White Bean & Pimentón Dip (SJ) Kinda Deviled Eggs (SV)   Stromboli with no-nitrate meats, roasted bell pepper, & cheese & pre-made Lamonica dough. Quinoa Crunch with Zatar seasoning Northern Spy's Kale Salad Stewed Garam Masala Lentils with Buttery Shrimp Creamy Coconut Curried Green Lentils Greek Chicken loaf based on this inspiration On the Nightstand 36:03 We are now a Bookshop.org affiliate!  You can visit our shop to find books we've talked about or click on the links below.  The books are supplied by local independent bookstores and a percentage goes to us at no cost to you!   10 Things That Never Happened by Alexis Hall  A Merry Little Meet Cute by Julie Murphy and Sierra Simone  The Christmas Appeal by Janice Hallett  The Christmas Murder Game by Alexandra Benedict  A Death in Tokyo by Keigo Higashino, trans by Giles Murphy (audio) The Water Outlaws by S. L. Huang  The Spare Man by Mary Robinette Kowal  Happiness Falls by Angie Kim    Vaster Wilds by Lauren Groff Alias Emma by Ava Glass Shark Heart; a love story by Emily Habeck  

Oh, how we love an ultimate episode - and this time, we're taking on some big fluffy American boys (and some pancakes too, oi oi). We took your suggestions for your favourite recipes and put them to the test... it's a tough job, but someone's got to do it. Here are the ones we gave a go:Julia Turshen's Sour Cream Pancakes: https://juliaturshen.substack.com/p/long-weekend-pancakesAlison Roman's Buttermilk Pancakes: https://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/1018180-perfect-buttermilk-pancakesMark Bittman's Everyday Pancakes: https://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/1893-everyday-pancakesMatty Matheson's Fluffy Pancakes: https://www.vice.com/en/article/kbke93/fluffy-pancakesFind out which recipes we rated, and let us know: how do you like your pancakes - sweetie, meaty, fat or flat?!Music:Lovely Swindler - AmariaSmith the Mister - Riviera Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Whether you're a novice or expert baker, this week we're offering simple paths to homemade desserts, and share several different recipes that yield sweet treats with minimal effort. Snacking cakes, we've learned, come in different flavors and shapes but share one common ingredient: they are unfussy. That means they're typically made by hand in one bowl, then poured into a cake pan and baked. Another unfussy dessert category leans on assembling rather than baking; chocolate-covered fruit, banana pudding, and easy tiramisu. We also chat about the latest easy dessert trends that are taking TikTok by storm. Don't miss this sweet conversation! ***Links to recipes and favorites from this week's show:Sonya's Apple Sharlotka, Tzimmes Cake, and Tahini Coffee Cake Sonya's Tea Biscuit/Tiramisu-like Ice Box Cake via The Nosher Apple Sauce Cake by Julia Turshen via Tasting Table Dorie Greenspan's Poached Pears via the NY Times Banana Pudding from Natasha's Kitchen Chocolate dipped fruit Ina Garten's Chocolate BarkYogurt Bark from Eating Well Our favorite dessert-like Ellenos yogurtBlueberry Pudding Cake via Epicurious Strawberry pretzel “salad” from Betty CrockerPlum crumb bars by Cambrea BakesWe love hearing from you — follow us on Instagram @foodfriendspod, or drop us a line at foodfriendspod@gmail.com!

Cookbook author Julia Turshen joins us to discuss her history with an eating disorder and how orthorexic thinking showed up in her work, how a loved one's boundary on diet talk helped her realize her relationship with food was problematic, how letting go of diet and wellness rules changed her cooking, how social media is like diet culture and how she's taken a big step back from it, and more.Julia Turshen is a New York Times bestselling cookbook author. Her latest book, Simply Julia, is a national bestseller. She has written for multiple publications including The New York Times, The Washington Post, Vogue, and more. She is the founder of Equity At The Table (EATT), an inclusive digital directory of women/non-binary individuals in food, and the host and producer of the podcast Keep Calm and Cook On. She sits on the Kitchen Cabinet Advisory Board for the Smithsonian's National Museum of American History and is a member of God's Love We Deliver's Culinary Council. She lives in the Hudson Valley with her spouse Grace and their pets. She teaches live cooking classes every Sunday afternoon. Find her online at juliaturshen.com.If you like this conversation, subscribe to hear lots more like it! You can also sign up to get the podcast in your inbox (with a full transcript), plus biweekly Q&As about wellness culture, at rethinkingwellness.substack.com.Christy's new book, The Wellness Trap, is now available wherever books are sold! Order it online or ask for it in your favorite local bookstore.If you're looking to make peace with food and break free from diet and wellness culture, come check out Christy's Intuitive Eating Fundamentals online course. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit rethinkingwellness.substack.com/subscribe

Do you have a go-to dish that you make from memory? Many of us lean on recipes for inspiration for our daily cooking, but there's something to be said about the meals we make off the cuff, over and over again. This episode explores the dishes we cook straight from memory, without consulting a cookbook or app. For instance, Sonya shares her almost weekly routine of roasting chicken, a classic dish from her childhood that she constantly riffs on. Kari reveals that she never makes roast chicken, and instead shares one of her go-to meals: a tomato-based, green bean stew taht she learned how to make from a friend. We also reflect on our favorite coconut lentil dish, which we both make entirely with ingredients we always keep on hand in our kitchens. This conversation shows us that the dishes we make automatically, without even thinking, are sometimes the most special ones. A good FOOD FRIEND can remind us that it's possible for a beautiful, home-cooked meal to come together quickly with a few pantry staples... and without a recipe. We hope this episode encourages you to think about the dishes you're making without a recipe. Reach out and let us know what you're cooking up, and we'll share it with the FOOD FRIENDS community so that we can all learn! ***Links to recipes and favorites from this week's show:Sonya's Seattle-style sheet pan chicken teriyaki Roast chicken with grapes by Angie Mar, via Food & WineMarcella Hazan's tomato sauceNY Shuk harissa and spices, and Diaspora Co spicesCrispy smashed potato recipe by J. Kenji Lopez-AltCurried coconut red lentils by Julia Turshen, The KitchnCashew cream via The KitchnWe love hearing from you — follow us on Instagram @foodfriendspod, or drop us a line at foodfriendspod@gmail.com!

Hey there Salmon Cakes! Today our snobbery entitles us to forgo Wikipedia and declare that we are a serious outfit. We promote spouse and recipe swaps, learn what the deadliest catch really is and visit Matthew's vivid imagination. We hope this leaves listeners with an aftershow afterglow. Julia Turshen's recipe from Simply JuliaCook's Illustrated recipeRandom Number Generator Horror Podcast No.9Recipe: Sweet and Spicy Pepper Stew Beak of the WeekThe Eastern Great Egret, daisagi in JapaneseWhat'cha Snacking?Matthew: Kit Kat Mugi no Megumi no Zenryūfun Bisketto Support Spilled Milk Podcast!Listen to our spinoff show Dire DesiresJoin our redditMolly's SubstackMatthew's MusicProducer Abby's Website

Week after week, cookbook author and cooking teacher Julia Turshen opens her kitchen to the world...Since 2021, Julia Turshen has logged into Zoom practically every Sunday to cook with eager home cooks from around the world.Once a temporary replacement for book tour demos during the pandemic, Sunday cooking classes are now a key pillar of Julia's week. She's swapped random makeshift demo kitchens for her comfortable and familiar kitchen in her Hudson Valley farmhouse.And in Julia's words, “I went from enjoying those [cooking demos] the least to enjoying those the most.”In this episode, Julia shares all the details about how she started her journey teaching cooking online, valuable lessons learned, plus surprising insights she's discovered along the way. I can't wait for you to hear all that Julia has to share!SUBSCRIBE, RATE & REVIEWDo you love listening to this interview with Julia? Are you a fan of this podcast? Leave a rating and review wherever you enjoy your podcasts to help us grow!HELPFUL LINKSRead Julia's piece in Bon Appetit, A Home for Queer Domestic Life Every Sunday on Zoom.Visit Julia's website and check out her upcoming classes!Watch our new free masterclass to learn how to create an online culinary business!Thanks so much for listening! Connect with me on Instagram (@culinarycynthia) and let me know how you enjoyed this episode. I'd love to hear from you!

Emily started 2023 with a bit of a reading slump, but you'd never know it! Some of the books she enjoyed since our last regular episode are Oona Out of Order by Margarita Montimore, Trespasses by Louise Kennedy, The Change by Kirsten Miller, Hello Beautiful by Ann Napolitano (coming out 3/14/2023), and What the Fortune Teller Would Have Said by Shuly Cawood. For the third year in a row, Chris kicked off her January reading with a novel from Alice Hoffman's Practical Magic Series: The Rules of Magic. She's also brushing up on her stirfrying skills with The Wok: Recipes and Techniques by J. Kenji López-Alt. Speaking of cooking, Emily attended a cooking class with the cookbook author Julia Turshen. Chris visited a couple of used bookstores: The Book Barn in Niantic, CT, and Bennett's Books in Deep River, CT. We also had a lovely joint jaunt to New Haven, where we checked in on a large Little Free Library in Wooster Square after a yummy lunch at Haven Hot Chicken. We are extending our listener top reads of 2022 submissions until January 22nd, so if you haven't submitted your Top 10 Reads, please send them our way! We'll share highlights on Episode 174 (Google form - https://bit.ly/BookCougarsTopTen2022 or email us at bookcougars@gmail.com). Reminder that our next readalong is Parnassus on Wheels by Christoper Morley (Zoom convo on Feb 26th at 7 pm ET). Your purchase of the paperback from Bookshop.org or the audiobook from Libro.fm will help support us (the links go to our affiliate page). Thanks for listening and Happy Reading! Emily & Chris

Episode 152: Maya-Camille BroussardMaya-Camille is the creative force behind Justice of the Pies, her Chicago bakery that's become known for inventive and unmatched flavors (Lemon Espresso Pie … Blue Cheese Praline Pear Pie … and so on).Much of Maya-Camille's work traces back to her roots, with a significant influence from her father, the self-dubbed “Pie Master,” who worked as a criminal defense attorney by day. As with many family stories, Maya-Camille's is complex and dotted with both adoration and strife. A strong sense of social activism and community building runs through her blood, though, and is baked into her work.Her first cookbook, also titled Justice of the Pies, brings these beloved and revered recipes to home bakers with 85 recipes for both sweet and savory pies—plus quiches, tarts, whoopie pies, and more.“I've always loved baking,” Maya-Camille says in our chat. “But at my core, I am a creative individual. And also at my core, I love working with my hands. I do have an arts background in terms of dancing, in terms of theater, in terms of visual art. I even played upright bass for five years. But culinary is still an art form—and it's the only art form that we have that's required for us to live. I don't dance as much anymore, but I'm still living, you know? I don't paint anymore, but I'm still living. If I don't eat, I'm not gonna live. So I can take this creative energy that I have and pour it into something that also provides me sustenance.”Justice of the Pies is also filled with stories of “stewards" who Maya-Camille says are “agents of change who stand for fairness and equality.” Maya-Camille penned short profiles and developed recipes to honor folks like Black Joy Project creator Kleaver Cruz; cookbook author and Equity at the Table founder Julia Turshen and Design*Sponge founder Grace Bonney; and disability rights activist Claudia Gordon. (Or take Big Kika Keith and Kika Jr., who opened LA's first Black-owned, women-led dispensary. To accompany their story, Maya-Camille developed a “Peaches and Herb Cobbler” that features a weed-infused butter.)P.S. Maya-Camille starred in Netflix's “Bake Squad” hosted by Christina Tosi, and she returns to the cast for a second season with it drops later this month.Featured Recipes from Justice of the PiesThis week, paid subscribers can access two featured recipes from Maya-Camille's Justice of the Pies: Lavender Whoopie Pies and Chocolate-Peanut Butter + Pretzel Tart.Salt + Spine is supported by listeners like you. To get full access to our exclusive content and featured recipes, and support our work, consider becoming a paid subscriber. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit saltandspine.substack.com/subscribe

Dearest Babies! We're taking an end of year break, but please enjoy this replay episode with Julia Turshen!Kate lets work stress get the better of her hard-earned routines and Doree volunteers as an act of self-care. Then, Julia Turshen takes a break from her cooking to chat with Kate and Doree about how cooking and reality tv play a role in her self-care, what The Matrix has to do with diet culture, and why food justice can mean something different from one person to another.To leave a voicemail or text for a future episode, reach them at 781-591-0390. You can also email the podcast at forever35podcast@gmail.com.Visit forever35podcast.com for links to everything they mention on the show or visit shopmyshelf.us/forever35.Follow the podcast on Instagram (@Forever35Podcast) and join the Forever35 Facebook Group (Password: Serums). Sign up for the newsletter! at forever35podcast.com/newsletter.This episode is sponsored by:ALO MOVES - Get 50% off with code FOREVER35 at AloMoves.com and let's get started!OURA RING - Visit OuraRing.com/FOREVER35 to find the right ring for you Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

A look back at some of our favorite genius recipes of the year with Food52 co-founder and CEO, Amanda HesserReferenced in this episode Julia Turshen's Fried Eggs Lindsay Maitland Hunt's Slow Roasted Chicken with Crispy Skin Yasmin Khan's Stunning Citrus CakeDorie Greenspan's French Yogurt CakeDorie Greenspan's Caramel-y Chocolate CookiesTara O'Brady's Chocolate Chip CookiesJessie Sheehn's Snickerdoodles (Ketchup optional)Ali Slagle's Chicken Caesar SaladMonifa Dayo's Potato Salad 

A look back at some of our favorite genius recipes of the year with Food52 co-founder and CEO, Amanda HesserReferenced in this episode Julia Turshen's Fried Eggs Lindsay Maitland Hunt's Slow Roasted Chicken with Crispy Skin Yasmin Khan's Stunning Citrus CakeDorie Greenspan's French Yogurt CakeDorie Greenspan's Caramel-y Chocolate CookiesTara O'Brady's Chocolate Chip CookiesJessie Sheehn's Snickerdoodles (Ketchup optional)Ali Slagle's Chicken Caesar SaladMonifa Dayo's Potato Salad  Have a genius recipe you'd like to share? Tell me all about it at genius@food52.com.Theme Music by The Cabinetmaker on Blue Dot Sessions

Hi there, exciting show for you this week. Melissa Clark, one of the most prolific cookbook writers of the modern era, joins us. Read on!* Do you love Salt + Spine? We'd love if you shared this email with a friend who might want to #TalkCookbooks with us, too:Episode 146: Melissa ClarkThis week, Melissa Clark joins us to #TalkCookbooks!When we launched Salt + Spine, I wrote a short list of our dream guests — the cookbook authors who, at the time, I felt were pushing the industry in new directions or had a wealth of experience to learn from. We've been lucky to sit down with many folks from that list (from Samin Nosrat to Julia Turshen to Vivian Howard…). Today, we're marking one more off that list as Melissa joins us in-studio to discuss her latest cookbook, Dinner in One.Dubbed the “gold standard for Internet recipe writing” by Eater, Melissa Clark has been developing recipes for over a decade at The New York Times, where she started with a short sidebar on home cooking questions before joining as a columnist and reporter. (A recent search on NYT Cooking showed her byline attached to some 1,391 results!)That early NYT series Melissa authored, called “Food Chain,” offered helpful tips and answers to cooking challenges in the era before such information was one keystroke away. Today, her NYT column, “A Good Appetite,” features everything from a reinvented crab dip to her best Instant Pot recipes.And all the while, Melissa's written 45 cookbooks! She's collaborated on books with chefs like Daniel Boulud, David Bouley, and Claudia Fleming. Her 2017 home-cooking tome, Dinner: Changing the Game, features more than 200 recipes for inventive, interesting meals. She's following it up with her latest work, Dinner in One, which features recipes that use just “one” vessel—one sauté pan, one sheet tray, one pot, etc.In this week's show, we're talking with Melissa about growing up with food-loving parents who immersed her in French food and culture at an early age … how she landed at the NYT, even though she turned down their first job offer … and how dining out is critical to her recipe development process. And, of course, we're putting her to the test in our signature culinary game.Bonus Content + Recipes This WeekThis week, paid subscribers will receive two featured recipes from Melissa's Dinner in One: the Roasted Cauliflower and Potatoes with Harissa, Yogurt, and Toasted Almonds and her Ricotta Olive Oil Pound Cake.Salt + Spine is supported by listeners like you. To get full access to our exclusive content and featured recipes, and support our work, consider becoming a paid subscriber.Coming Up…* Attention Bay Area fans: Our fifth-annual Cookie Swap is coming up on Sunday, Dec. 11 featuring oodles of cookies and demos from yours truly, Kristina Cho, and more! The cookie swap is sold out, but you can join the waitlist here!* This week's episode with Melissa Clark is the last “regular” episode of the year—but we've got something really exciting in store for December. Stay tuned for more details! This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit saltandspine.substack.com/subscribe

Hi Babies! We're taking a lil summer break, but please enjoy this replay episode with Julia Turshen!Kate lets work stress get the better of her hard-earned routines and Doree volunteers as an act of self-care. Then, Julia Turshen takes a break from her cooking to chat with Kate and Doree about how cooking and reality tv play a role in her self-care, what The Matrix has to do with diet culture, and why food justice can mean something different from one person to another. To leave a voicemail or text for a future episode, reach them at 781-591-0390. You can also email the podcast at forever35podcast@gmail.com.Visit forever35podcast.com for links to everything they mention on the show or visit shopmyshelf.us/forever35.Follow the podcast on Twitter (@Forever35Pod) and Instagram (@Forever35Podcast) and join the Forever35 Facebook Group (Password: Serums). Sign up for the newsletter! at forever35podcast.com/newsletter. This episode is sponsored byMEJURI - Head to Mejuri.com to shop new arrivals now. CALM - For 40% off a Calm Premium subscription, head to calm.com/forever35.ISSUU - Get started today for FREE or sign-up for a premium account and get 50% off when you go to issuu.com/podcast and use promo code FOREVER35.GLADSKIN - Get 15% off plus free shipping on your first order at gladskin.com/FOREVER35. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Virginia Sole-Smith, journalist behind the Burnt Toast newsletter + author of The Eating Instinct, in conversation with Julia Turshen.Follow-up links:To sign up for Julia's newsletter, head here.For more about Virginia, head here.For more about Burnt Toast, Virginia's newsletter, head here.  

Today in mishmashes: We're sharing some of the tricks and treats we've discovered recently, featuring Claire's flower-wrapping upgrade, Erica's brunch cookout recipes, and what to wear when it's hot, hot, hot.    Erica's rooftop brunch agenda included ordering donuts (from Doughnut Plant if you're in NYC), finding a reliable friend to be in charge of grilling sausages (or, um, sausage strips!), and  whipping up two frittatas: the mustard-asparagus one from Cookie + Kate and the mushroom-ricotta one Julia Turshen's Now & Again cookbook.    And for dinner, Erica's favorite canned cherry tomatoes from Mutti are great for many things, including her go-to summer tomato sauce c/o Alison Roman.   Claire's revisiting this Mo Willems interview often, and on the diaper-bag front, she recommends Longchamp's Le Pliage (or any flat bag like it!).    As we slip back into shorts, we like these knit guys from Kordal, a pleated linen pair from Alex Mill, grown-up cut-offs from Agolde, and these rolled jorts from Raey.    Some options on our quest for a great summer dress include ones from Mille, Mirth, Sunspel, Organic by John Patrick, Kule, Falke, Loup Charmant, and Anaak.    And on the topic of summer jeans, we like these from Agolde, and these from Roucha Pala. But also, these Jenni Kayne trousers!   Finally, if you're looking for a dopamine hit, we highly recommend you search #sheldonshrimp to see the wonderful world of Sheldon Shrimp the Jellycat stuffed animal and his friends Herman Hermit, Crispin Crab (and, course, Bashful Bunny).    Have anything related to this grab bag you'd like to share with us? Please do at 833-632-5463, podcast@athingortwohq.com, or @athingortwohq. And for more recommendations, try out a Secret Menu membership!   Treat yourself to professional counseling with BetterHelp and take 10% off your first month with our link. Download Best Fiends—for free—on the App Store or Google Play. Support thicker, healthier hair with Nutrafol. Take $15 off your first month's subscription with the code ATHINGORTWO. YAY.   Produced by Dear Media

Shaina Loew-Banayan, chef and owner of Cafe Mutton and author of Elegy for An Appetite, in conversation with Julia Turshen.Follow-up links:For more about Shaina's book Elegy for an Appetite, head here.For the New Yorker review of Elegy for an Appetite, head here.For more about Cafe Mutton, head here and follow them on IG here.To sign up for Julia's newsletter, head here.