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UnHerd's Flo Read meets Mars Society Founder, Robert Zubrin.Renowned aerospace engineer and President of the Mars Society - which advocates for human exploration and colonisation of Mars - gives us his case for a manned mission to Mars, and all the challenges that getting to the Red Planet may entail. Is Elon Musk one of them? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Inside MDRS: The Latest from the Mars Desert Research StationGet an exclusive update from one of the world's premier Mars analog research facilities — the Mars Desert Research Station (MDRS). Host Ashton Zeth sits down with three key leaders shaping the future of MDRS: James Burk, Executive Director of The Mars Society; Kay Radzik, Director of Refits; and Sergii Iakymov, MDRS Director.They dive into the latest missions, ongoing upgrades, and how you can support the continued modernization of MDRS through their current crowdfunding campaign.Support the future of Mars exploration: mars-desert-research-station.raisely.com/

EVEN MORE about this episode!Have you ever felt an undeniable bond with someone you've never met? Medium and scientist Nicole Willett—aka Peaceful Nik the Medium—takes us on a fascinating journey where science meets spirit. With a background in biology and astronomy, Nicole shares how her deep understanding of the universe enhances her intuitive abilities, revealing profound insights into soul connections, past lives, and the mysteries of existence.From sensing her children before birth to exploring past life regressions, Nicole unveils the hidden threads weaving our souls across time. But our journey doesn't stop there. Could our fascination with the cosmos be more than curiosity—perhaps a spiritual calling? We dive into the possibility of extraterrestrial intelligence, universal communication through numbers, and the nature of time, questioning whether alternate realities are more than just science fiction.Beyond the mysteries, we explore the ethical foundations of mediumship—how to practice responsibly, support those in grief, and maintain energetic balance. With heartwarming insights and a touch of Southern charm from Sweet Home Alabama and Florida, we invite you to open your mind, embrace the unknown, and explore the boundless connections that unite us all.Guest Biography:Nicole Willett, aka Peaceful Nik the Medium, merges her scientific expertise with her spiritual gifts to offer evidence-based mediumship. Holding a B.S. in Biology and an M.S. in Astronomy, she has spent over 20 years in science education and is a respected Mars Society member. Nicole bridges the physical and spiritual realms, providing precise, validating messages that bring healing and peace. Through private readings, group sessions, and educational events, she empowers clients with comfort, clarity, and a deeper understanding of the universe's interconnectedness.Episode Chapters:(0:00:01) - Exploring Mediumship With Nicole Willett(0:14:27) - Exploring Space and Communication Beyond(0:22:32) - Exploring Mediumship and Evidential Mediums(0:36:30) - Ethical Mediumship and Healing Techniques(0:47:56) - Spiritual Mediumship and Healing Techniques(0:58:29) - Spiritual Guidance and Love From AlabamaSubscribe to Ask Julie Ryan YouTubeSubscribe to Ask Julie Ryan Español YouTubeSubscribe to Ask Julie Ryan Português YouTubeSubscribe to Ask Julie Ryan Deutsch YouTube✏️Ask Julie a Question!

After 60 years of discussion, we may finally be making real, actionable plans to send a crew to Mars. One of the prime advocates for sending humans to the Red Planet has been Dr. Robert Zubrin, founder and president of The Mars Society. In 1990, he and David Baker worked up a plan called "Mars Direct," which took the core of then-current NASA planning and streamlined it into a more realistic, affordable approach. Since then, some of the key elements have been incorporated into NASA's Design Reference Missions, still the primary set of plans for reaching Mars. Join us for this fascinating discussion. Headlines Crew-9 Return: Astronauts Wilmore and Williams returned to Earth via SpaceX Dragon with dolphins swimming around their capsule—spoiler alert: it was NOT AI generated! Isar Aerospace: A German company prepared for the first orbital launch from Norway's Andoya Spaceport SpaceX Record: Achieved fastest booster turnaround yet by flying the same booster twice within nine days Main Topic: Mars Exploration with Dr. Robert Zubrin Mars Direct Plan: Zubrin's revolutionary 1990 proposal using just two heavy-lift launches and in-situ resource utilization, influencing NASA's planning Purpose vs. Vendor-Driven: Critique of NASA's Artemis as "vendor-driven" rather than focused on the mission goal Current Opportunity: New potential for Mars exploration under the current administration, but it must be a national program Timeline Prediction: Realistic goals of uncrewed Starship on Mars by 2028 and humans by 2033 Scientific Value: First Mars Starship should carry substantial scientific payload instead of just a demonstration mission—no red Tesla Roadsters to Mars, please Planetary Protection: Strong case against the "anti-human aesthetics" of keeping Mars pristine Science Budget Concerns: Warning against proposed 50% cuts to NASA's science programs Starboat Concept: Proposal for a smaller ascent vehicle to complement Starship for more efficient Mars and Moon missions Moon vs. Mars Strategy: Design hardware primarily for Mars that can also work for lunar exploration Hosts: Rod Pyle and Tariq Malik Guest: Dr. Robert Zubrin Download or subscribe to This Week in Space at https://twit.tv/shows/this-week-in-space. Join Club TWiT for Ad-Free Podcasts! Support what you love and get ad-free shows, a members-only Discord, and behind-the-scenes access. Join today: https://twit.tv/clubtwit

After 60 years of discussion, we may finally be making real, actionable plans to send a crew to Mars. One of the prime advocates for sending humans to the Red Planet has been Dr. Robert Zubrin, founder and president of The Mars Society. In 1990, he and David Baker worked up a plan called "Mars Direct," which took the core of then-current NASA planning and streamlined it into a more realistic, affordable approach. Since then, some of the key elements have been incorporated into NASA's Design Reference Missions, still the primary set of plans for reaching Mars. Join us for this fascinating discussion. Headlines Crew-9 Return: Astronauts Wilmore and Williams returned to Earth via SpaceX Dragon with dolphins swimming around their capsule—spoiler alert: it was NOT AI generated! Isar Aerospace: A German company prepared for the first orbital launch from Norway's Andoya Spaceport SpaceX Record: Achieved fastest booster turnaround yet by flying the same booster twice within nine days Main Topic: Mars Exploration with Dr. Robert Zubrin Mars Direct Plan: Zubrin's revolutionary 1990 proposal using just two heavy-lift launches and in-situ resource utilization, influencing NASA's planning Purpose vs. Vendor-Driven: Critique of NASA's Artemis as "vendor-driven" rather than focused on the mission goal Current Opportunity: New potential for Mars exploration under the current administration, but it must be a national program Timeline Prediction: Realistic goals of uncrewed Starship on Mars by 2028 and humans by 2033 Scientific Value: First Mars Starship should carry substantial scientific payload instead of just a demonstration mission—no red Tesla Roadsters to Mars, please Planetary Protection: Strong case against the "anti-human aesthetics" of keeping Mars pristine Science Budget Concerns: Warning against proposed 50% cuts to NASA's science programs Starboat Concept: Proposal for a smaller ascent vehicle to complement Starship for more efficient Mars and Moon missions Moon vs. Mars Strategy: Design hardware primarily for Mars that can also work for lunar exploration Hosts: Rod Pyle and Tariq Malik Guest: Dr. Robert Zubrin Download or subscribe to This Week in Space at https://twit.tv/shows/this-week-in-space. Join Club TWiT for Ad-Free Podcasts! Support what you love and get ad-free shows, a members-only Discord, and behind-the-scenes access. Join today: https://twit.tv/clubtwit

After 60 years of discussion, we may finally be making real, actionable plans to send a crew to Mars. One of the prime advocates for sending humans to the Red Planet has been Dr. Robert Zubrin, founder and president of The Mars Society. In 1990, he and David Baker worked up a plan called "Mars Direct," which took the core of then-current NASA planning and streamlined it into a more realistic, affordable approach. Since then, some of the key elements have been incorporated into NASA's Design Reference Missions, still the primary set of plans for reaching Mars. Join us for this fascinating discussion. Headlines Crew-9 Return: Astronauts Wilmore and Williams returned to Earth via SpaceX Dragon with dolphins swimming around their capsule—spoiler alert: it was NOT AI generated! Isar Aerospace: A German company prepared for the first orbital launch from Norway's Andoya Spaceport SpaceX Record: Achieved fastest booster turnaround yet by flying the same booster twice within nine days Main Topic: Mars Exploration with Dr. Robert Zubrin Mars Direct Plan: Zubrin's revolutionary 1990 proposal using just two heavy-lift launches and in-situ resource utilization, influencing NASA's planning Purpose vs. Vendor-Driven: Critique of NASA's Artemis as "vendor-driven" rather than focused on the mission goal Current Opportunity: New potential for Mars exploration under the current administration, but it must be a national program Timeline Prediction: Realistic goals of uncrewed Starship on Mars by 2028 and humans by 2033 Scientific Value: First Mars Starship should carry substantial scientific payload instead of just a demonstration mission—no red Tesla Roadsters to Mars, please Planetary Protection: Strong case against the "anti-human aesthetics" of keeping Mars pristine Science Budget Concerns: Warning against proposed 50% cuts to NASA's science programs Starboat Concept: Proposal for a smaller ascent vehicle to complement Starship for more efficient Mars and Moon missions Moon vs. Mars Strategy: Design hardware primarily for Mars that can also work for lunar exploration Hosts: Rod Pyle and Tariq Malik Guest: Dr. Robert Zubrin Download or subscribe to This Week in Space at https://twit.tv/shows/this-week-in-space. Join Club TWiT for Ad-Free Podcasts! Support what you love and get ad-free shows, a members-only Discord, and behind-the-scenes access. Join today: https://twit.tv/clubtwit

In his famous 1962 address to Rice University, President Kennedy declared,We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard . . .The current administration has chosen, among other things, to go to Mars. Some, Elon Musk included, are looking for a backup planet to Earth. For others, like Robert Zubrin, Mars is an opportunity for scientific discovery, pure challenge, and a revitalized human civilization.Today on Faster, Please — The Podcast, Zubrin and I discuss how to reorient NASA, what our earliest Mars missions can and should look like, and why we should go to Mars at all.Zubrin is the president of aerospace R&D company Pioneer Astronautics, as well as the founder and president of the Mars Society. He was also formerly a staff engineer at Lockheed Martin. He has authored over 200 published papers and is the author of seven books, including the most recent, The New World on Mars: What We Can Create on the Red Planet.For more, check out Zubrin's article in The New Atlantis, “The Mars Dream is Back — Here's How to Make It Actually Happen.”In This Episode* Colonization vs. exploration (1:38)* A purpose-driven mission (5:01)* Cultural diversity on Mars (12:07)* An alternative to the SpaceX strategy (16:02)* Artemis program reform (20:42)* The myth of an independent Mars (24:17)* Our current timeline (27:21)Below is a lightly edited transcript of our conversation. Colonization vs. exploration (1:38)I do think that it is important that the first human mission to ours be a round-trip mission. I want to have those people back, not just because it's nice to have them back, but I want to hear from them. I want to get the full report.Pethokoukis: Just before we started chatting, I went and I checked an online prediction market — one I check for various things, the Metaculus online prediction market — and the consensus forecast from all the people in that community for when will the first humans land successfully on Mars was October 2042. Does that sound realistic, too soon, or should it be much further away?I think it is potentially realistic, but I think we could beat it. Right now we have a chance to get a Humans to Mars program launched. This current administration has announced that they intend to do so. They're making a claim they're going to land people on Mars in 2028. I do not think that is realistic, but I do believe that it is realistic for them to get the program well started and, if it is handled correctly — and we'll have to talk a lot more about that in this talk — that we could potentially land humans on Mars circa 2033.When I gave you that prediction and then you mentioned the 2020s goal, those are about landing on Mars. Should we assume when people say, “We're going to land on Mars,” they also mean people returning from Mars or are they talking about one-way trips?Musk has frequently talked about a colonization effort, and colonization is a one-way trip, but I don't think that's in the cards for 2028 or 2033. I think what is in the cards for this time period on our immediate horizon is exploration missions. I do think that we could potentially have a one-way mission with robots in 2028. That would take a lot of work and it's a bit optimistic, but I think it could be done with determination, and I think that should be done, actually.To be clear, when people are talking about the first human mission to Mars, the assumption is it's not a one way trip for that astronaut, or those two astronauts, that we intend on bringing them back. Maybe the answer is obvious, but I'm not sure it's obvious to me.From time to time, people have proposed scenarios where the first human mission to Mars is a one-way mission, you send maybe not two but five people. Then two years later you send five more people, and then you send 10 people, and then you send 20 people, and you build it up. In other words, it's not a one-way mission in the sense of you're going to be left there and your food will then run out and you will die. No, I don't think that is a credible or attractive mission plan, but the idea that you're going to go with a few people and then reinforce them and grow it into a base, and then a settlement. That is something that can be reasonably argued. But I still think even that is a bit premature. I do think that it is important that the first human mission to ours be a round-trip mission. I want to have those people back, not just because it's nice to have them back, but I want to hear from them. I want to get the full report.A purpose-driven mission (5:01)In the purpose-driven mode, the purpose comes first, you spend money to do things. In the vendor-driven mode, you do things in order to spend money. And we've seen both of these.So should we just default to [the idea] that this mission will be done with government funding on SpaceX rockets, and this will be a SpaceX trip? That's by far the most likely scenario? This is going to need to be a public-private partnership. SpaceX is rapidly developing the single most important element of the technology, but it's not all the technology. We need surface systems. We need the system for making rocket fuel on Mars because the SpaceX mission architecture is the one that I outlined in my book, The Case for Mars, where you make your return propellant on Mars: You take carbon dioxide and water, which are both available on Mars, and turn them into methane and oxygen, which is an excellent rocket fuel combination and which, in fact, is the rocket fuel combination that the Starship uses for that reason. So that's the plan, but you need the system that makes itWe're going to need surface power, which really should be a nuclear power source and which is difficult to develop outside of the government because we're talking about controlled material. Space nuclear reactors will need to use highly enriched uranium, so it should be a partnership between NASA and SpaceX, but we're going to have to reform NASA if this is going to work. I think, though, that this mission could be the vehicle by which we reform NASA. That is, that NASA Artemis moon program, for example, is an example of how not to do something.That's the current government plan to get us back to the moon.Right. But you see, NASA has two distinct modes of operation, and one I call the purpose-driven mode and the other is the vendor-driven mode. In the purpose-driven mode, the purpose comes first, you spend money to do things. In the vendor-driven mode, you do things in order to spend money. And we've seen both of these. To be fair, there's been times when NASA has operated with extreme efficiency to accomplish great things in very short amounts of time, of which, of course, the Apollo Program is the most well-known example where we got to the moon and eight years from program start. The difference between Apollo and Artemis was it wasn't human nature — and there were plenty of greedy people in the 1960s that, when the government's spending money, they want a piece of the action, they were all there.There's no shortage of people who, when you've got a lot of money to spend, are willing to show up and say, “Hi, you got a great idea, but you can't do it until you fund me.” And there were plenty of them then, but they were shown the door because it was clear that if we did all these side projects that people were trying to claim were necessary (“you can't do your program until you do my program”) we would not make it to the moon by 1969. So actually, the forcing function was the schedule. That's what forced the nonsense out of the room.Artemis, on the other hand, has been undertaken as a project whose leadership thought that they could secure a lot of support for the program if they gave a lot of people money. So Artemis has five different flight systems which are incompatible with each other. It's a ridiculous program. That's not the way to do things. We have to have a program leadership which is committed to humans-to-Mars not as a way to get pet technology programs funded, or pet constituencies funded, or pet vendors funded, or any of that stuff. It's got to be: the mission comes first. And if you have that kind of emphasis on this, this can be done and it can be the way to reform NASA.I liken NASA today to a peacetime military, but then it gets thrown into battle, and you get rid of your McClellans and you bring in your Grants. In other words, you have a certain period of chaos and disorganization because you've got deadwood running the place, but under the stress of actually beginning a decisive mission and not being tolerant of anything less than real performance, you actually get the army you need.So that sounds like that's a presidential decision, to give that agency a very specific goal, and perhaps a timeline, to create that kind of purpose-driven culture.Yes. Now that's one necessity. There's another necessity as well, which is that the conceptual base of this program, the political base, if you will, which is derived from its intellectual base, has got to be expanded. This cannot be seen as a Trump-Musk boondoggle because Trump and Musk have both defined themselves in extremely partisan terms, and if this is seen as their program and not America's program, it will be gone as soon as the political fortunes of war shift, which they always do. Musk has this concept that he's been promoting, which is the reason why we have to go to Mars is so that there'll be survivors on Mars after the Earth is destroyed, and I don't think this is particularly —You don't find that a compelling reason, given that there's not currently an obvious threat of us being destroyed, to run a program that could necessarily exist over multiple administrations and be quite expensive.That idea is derived from Isaac Asimov's Foundation novel: The scientists go to the planet Terminus so they can reestablish civilization after the Galactic Empire collapsed. It may please science-fiction fans, but I don't think it's attractive to the general public, and also, frankly, I don't think it's practical. I don't think a Mars colony could have a million people on Mars that will survive as an autarchy. There's no nation on earth that survives as an autarchy. The ones that try are extremely poor as a result for trying.The correct reason to go to Mars is, immediately, for the science, to find out the truth about the prevalence of diversity of life in the universe; for the challenge, to challenge our youth, learn your science and you can be an explorer and maker of new worlds; and for the future, but for the future, it's not for a few survivors to be hiding away after the earth is destroyed, it's to create a new branch, or perhaps several new branches, of human civilization which will add their creative inventiveness to human progress as a whole, as America did for Western civilization. By establishing America, you had a new branch of Western civilization which experimented in everything from democracy to light bulbs and airplanes and greatly enhanced human progress as a result.And the Martians, you are going to have a group of technologically adept people in a frontier environment that's going to challenge them. They're going to come up with lots of inventions that they need for their own progress, but which will benefit human as a whole. And that is why you should colonize Mars.Cultural diversity on Mars (12:07)I believe that there will . . . be many colonies on Mars established by different people with different ideas on what the ideal civilization should be, and the ones with the best ideas will attract the most immigrants and therefore outgrow the rest.It very much reminds me of the scenario laid out in The Expanse book and TV series where mankind has spread throughout the solar system. They're all branches of human civilization, but being out there has changed people, and Mars is different than Earth. Mars has a different society. The culture is different. I think that's a very interesting reason that I had not heard Elon Musk discuss.I have a book called The New World on Mars, which you might want to check out because I discuss this very thing. I believe that there will, once it's possible to colonize Mars, there'll be many colonies on Mars established by different people with different ideas on what the ideal civilization should be, and the ones with the best ideas will attract the most immigrants and therefore outgrow the rest. So, for example, the one thing I disagree with about The Expanse is they have this militaristic Spartan civilization on Mars.There's just one sort of universal culture.Yeah, and I don't think that that civilization would attract many immigrants. The reason why the American North outgrew the South is because the North was free. That's why all the immigrants went to the North. That's why the North won the Civil War, actually. It had a larger population of more industry because all the immigrants went there and became far more creative. This is a very good thing, that the form of civilization that ultimately prevails on Mars will be one, I think, that will offer human freedom and be the most attractive in as many other respects as possible. That's why it will prevail, because it will attract immigrants.But I want to get back to this program. If it is possible not to land humans on Mars in 2028, but to land — if you can land Starship on Mars, you can land not a robot, but a robotic expedition.Starship, Musk claims it could land 100 tons on Mars. Let's say it could land 30. That's 30 times as much as we can currently land. The JPL (Jet Propulsion Laboratory)-led Mars science community, they're still thinking about Mars exploration in the terms it's been done since the '60s, which is single spacecraft on single rockets. Imagine you can now land an entire expedition. You land 30 rovers on Mars along with 30 helicopters that are well instrumented and a well instrumented science lab in it. So now you are bringing not only heavy lift, but heavy lander capability to the Mars science program, and now you have a robotic expedition on Mars. For every instrument that made it onto perseverance, there were 10 that were proposed because they could only take six, and like 100 teams wanted to get their instruments on the rover. So imagine now we can actually land 30 rovers and 30 helicopters, not little ones like Ingenuity, but ones that can carry five or six instruments each themselves.So now you have 100 science teams, you've got life-detection experiments, you've got ground penetrating radar, you've got all sorts of things that we haven't done on Mars all being done. You're expanding Mars science by two orders of magnitude by bringing into existence the kind of transportation capability that is necessary to enable humans to Mars. So now you bring on board the science community and the science-interested public, which includes all parts of the political spectrum, but frankly it leans somewhat left, overall — university scientists, people like this.So now this isn't just about Elon Musk, the Bond villain. This is about what we as America and we as a culture which is committed to pushing the boundaries of science. This is what we are doing. It's not what SpaceX is doing, it's not what Musk is doing, it's not what Trump is doing, it's what America is doing, and celebrating the highest values of Western civilization, which is the search for truth.An alternative to the SpaceX strategy (16:02)Starship plus Starboat is the flight hardware combination that can do both the moon and Mars.That said — and we're talking about this being a public-private partnership —should we just default into thinking that the private part is SpaceX?Well, SpaceX is one part of it. There's no question, to me anyway —There's other companies that are building rockets, there's other rocket companies, maybe they aren't talking about Mars, but Blue Origin's building rockets.I think it should be fairly competed, but SpaceX is well ahead of anyone else in terms of a booster capability. That said, I think that the mission architecture that Musk has proposed, while workable, is not optimal, that there needs to be another vehicle here. He's got the Starship, I want to have a Starboat. I've written an article about this, which was just published in The New Atlantis.Basically, the problem with Musk's architecture is that the direct return from Mars using a Starship, which is a 100-ton vehicle, would require manufacturing 600 tons of methane oxygen on the surface of Mars, and if that's to be done in a reasonable amount of time, requires 600 kilowatts, which is about 13 football fields of solar panels, which means we're not doing it with solar panels, which means it has to be done with a nuke, and that then adds a lot to the development.If we had a Starboat, which is something 10 to 20 percent the size of Starship, but it would go from Mars orbit to the surface and we refuel it, and then it is what takes the crew down to the surface — although the crew could go one way to the surface in a Starship, that's okay, but whether they go down in a Starship or down in a Starboat, they come up in a Starboat, and now you're reducing the propellant requirement by an order of magnitude. It makes this whole thing work much better. And furthermore, Starship plus Starboat also enables the moon.We've forgotten about the moon in this conversation.Starship plus Starboat is the flight hardware combination that can do both the moon and Mars. If you take the Starship version of the Artemis thing, it takes 10 to 14 Starship launches to land a single crew on Mars refueling Starship on orbit, then refueling it in lunar orbit, and with tankers that have to be refueled in earth orbit, and doing all this, it's crazy. But if you positioned one Starship tanker in lunar orbit and then used that to refuel Starboats going up and down, you could do many missions to the lunar surface from a single Starship positioned in lunar orbit. Once again, Starship is suboptimal as an ascent vehicle to come back from the moon or Mars because it's so heavy. It's a hundred tons. The lunar excursion module we used in Apollo was two tons. So we make the Starboat — Starship plus Starboat gives you both the moon and Mars.Here's the thing: With rockets, you measure propulsion requirements in units we call delta V, velocity changes. That's what rockets actually do, they change your velocity, they accelerate you, they decelerate you. To go down from lunar orbit to the lunar surface is two kilometers a second. Delta V to come back up is two kilometers a second. Roundtrip is four. To go down from Mars orbit to the Martian surface is practically nothing because there's an atmosphere that'll slow you down without using your rocket. To come up is four. So the round trip on Mars and the round trip from orbit to the surface on the moon are the same, and therefore the same combination of the Starship plus the Starboat as a landing craft and, in particular, ascent vehicle (because ascent is where small is beautiful), this will give us both. So we don't have to wreck the moon program in order to do Mars. On the contrary, we can rationalize it.I mentioned one group of potential enemies this program has been the anti-Musk Democrats. The other group of enemies that this program has are the moon people who are very upset that their moon program is about to be wrecked because Musk says the moon is a diversion. Now, if it was a choice between the moon and Mars, then I would choose Mars. But we can do both. We can do both and without it being a diversion, because we can do both with the same ships.Artemis program reform (20:42)SLS was worth a lot in its time, but its time was the '90s, not now.There's been some talk about canceling — I'm not sure how serious it is — the Artemis program. If we want the next person on the moon to be an American rather than a Chinese, do we need to keep Artemis to make sure that happens?We need to reform Artemis and this is the way to do it: Starship plus Starboat will give you the moon.Aren't we under a time constraint, given that if we are competing and if we think for whatever national pride reasons we want the next person on the moon to be an American, do we just kind of have to continue with the Artemis program as sort of a wasteful boondoggle as it is?No, because there are things in the Artemis program that don't even make any sense whatsoever, like the lunar orbit gateway, which is simply not necessary. The SLS (Space Launch System) as a launch vehicle is not necessary now that we have Starship. SLS made a lot of sense when it was first proposed in the late 1980s under a different name. I happen to know that because, as a young engineer, I was on the design team that did the preliminary design for what we now call SLS at Martin Marietta in 1988. And it was really just a simplification of the Space Shuttle, and if it had been developed in flying by the mid-'90s, as was entirely reasonable, it could have had a great role in giving us massively improved space capabilities over the past quarter-century. But they let this thing go so slowly that by the time it has appeared, it's obsolescent, and it's as if someone had stalled the development of the P-51 fighter plane so it wasn't available during World War I, but it's just showing up now in a world of jet fighters — this is worthless. Well, it was worth a lot in its time. SLS was worth a lot in its time, but its time was the '90s, not now.Orion doesn't really make that much sense, and the National Team lander would make sense if it was modified to be Starboat. What happened was NASA gave the contract to SpaceX to use Starship as a lunar lander, and it can be, but it's suboptimal. In any case, the National Team, which was Lockheed, and Boeing, and Blue Origin, they complained, but basically their complaint was, “We want a contract too or we won't be your friends.” And so they had sufficient political heft to get themselves a contract. The least NASA could have done is insist that the lander they were getting a contract for run on methane-oxygen, the same propellant as Starship, so Starship could service it as a tanker. Instead, they let them do their own thing and they've got a hydrogen-oxygen rocket, which makes no sense! It's like someone going to the Air Force and proposing a fighter plane that runs on propane and saying, “Well, I can make a fighter run on propane, but my tankers use jet fuel.” Air Force, being sensible, insists that all their planes run on the same fuels. They don't just let someone come along and use whatever fuel they like. So the National Team contract should be changed to a Starboat contract, and the requirements should be interoperability with Starship.The myth of an independent Mars (24:17)We go to Mars not out of despair, we go to Mars out of hope, and by establishing new branches of human civilization, they'll be able to do all sorts of things.As we finish up, I just want to quickly jump back to something you mentioned earlier about autarchy. Do you think it's possible to have a thriving, successful, sustainable Mars colony that's on its own?No. I don't think it's possible to have a thriving, successful nation on earth that's on its own. This is why I think Trump's trade war is a big mistake. It will damage our economy. Now, obviously, we can survive a trade war better than a Mars —That's what Musk is also suggesting in its whole light of consciousness that we need to be able to establish sustainable, permanent colonies elsewhere that can be just fine without a relationship with Earth.I think that's incorrect, and as you know, since you are an expert in economics, it's nonsensical. I don't think a colony of one million people would have the division of labor to build anything like an iPhone or even an iPhone battery if you think of the complexity of what is involved.There's this famous essay, “I, Pencil,” which I'm sure you're acquainted with. An economist went through all the different things that went into —Yes, Milton Friedman used that example famously. I think I get your point.iPhones are more complex than pencils. I mean, you probably could build a pencil with a million-person city, but we need to build things more complicated than that. But that's not the point here, that's not why we're going on. And I object to this. It's the Masque of the Red Death theory of how you're going to survive a plague: We'll have our castle and we can go into it and we'll be fine. No, it's extremely unattractive and it's false. The people in that castle in the Masque of the Red Death, the Edgar Allen Poe story, did not survive the plague, and it's not why we should go to Mars. We go to Mars not out of despair, we go to Mars out of hope, and by establishing new branches of human civilization, they'll be able to do all sorts of things.America developed steamboats because we needed inland transportation because the only highways we had were rivers, and so forth, and so we've been an engine of invention. Mars is going to be an engine of invention. Mars is going to want to have not just nuclear reactors, but breeder reactors, and they're going to want to have fusion power because deuterium is five times as common on Mars as it is on earth, and they're going to be electrolyzing water all the time as part of their life-support system, which means releasing hydrogen, making deuterium separation very cheap, and one could go down this kind of thing. There's all sorts of things that a Martian civilization would develop, to say nothing of the fact that a spacefaring civilization will have the capability to divert asteroids so that they don't impact the earth. So that's why we're going to Mars. We increase the creative capacity of humanity to deal with all challenges raging from asteroid impacts to epidemics.Our current timeline (27:21). . . if you have your first humans on Mars in early 2030s, I think we can have a permanent Mars base by the end of that decade . . .So let me just finish up with this, and I think as far as a justification for going to Mars, that's about the most persuasive I know, and maybe I'm an easy audience, but I'm persuaded.Let's set aside just putting an astronaut or a few astronauts on the moon and bringing them home, and let's set aside the permanent, sustainable, solo, doesn't-need-Earth colony. Just as far as having a sort of a permanent outpost, what do you think is the reasonable timeframe, both technologically and given the politics?I do think, if we do what I am arguing for, which is to make it the mission of this administration to not only just land a Starship on Mars, but land a Starship on Mars bringing a massive robotic expedition to Mars, and then following that up with several more robotic landings to Mars that prepare a base, set up the power system, et cetera, then yes, I think landing the first humans on Mars in 2033 is entirely reasonable. What the Trump administration needs to do is get this program going to the point where people look at this and say, “This is working, this is going to be great, it's already great, let's follow through.”And then, if you have your first humans on Mars in early 2030s, I think we can have a permanent Mars base by the end of that decade, by 2040, a base with 20–30 people on it. A human expedition to Mars doesn't need to grow food. You can just bring your food for a two-year expedition, and you should. You establish a base of 10 or 20 to 30, 50 people, you want to set up greenhouses, you want to be growing food. Then you start developing the technologies to make things like glass, plastic, steel, aluminum on Mars so you can build greenhouses on Mars, and you start establishing an agricultural base, and now you can support 500 people on Mars, and then now the amount of things you can do on Mars greatly expands, and as you build up your industrial and agricultural base, and of course your technologies for actually implementing things on Mars become ever more advanced, now it becomes possible to start thinking about establishing colonies.So that's another thing. 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After 60 years of discussion, we may finally be making real, actionable plans to send a crew to Mars. One of the prime advocates for sending humans to the Red Planet has been Dr. Robert Zubrin, founder and president of The Mars Society. In 1990, he and David Baker worked up a plan called "Mars Direct," which took the core of then-current NASA planning and streamlined it into a more realistic, affordable approach. Since then, some of the key elements have been incorporated into NASA's Design Reference Missions, still the primary set of plans for reaching Mars. Join us for this fascinating discussion. Headlines Crew-9 Return: Astronauts Wilmore and Williams returned to Earth via SpaceX Dragon with dolphins swimming around their capsule—spoiler alert: it was NOT AI generated! Isar Aerospace: A German company prepared for the first orbital launch from Norway's Andoya Spaceport SpaceX Record: Achieved fastest booster turnaround yet by flying the same booster twice within nine days Main Topic: Mars Exploration with Dr. Robert Zubrin Mars Direct Plan: Zubrin's revolutionary 1990 proposal using just two heavy-lift launches and in-situ resource utilization, influencing NASA's planning Purpose vs. Vendor-Driven: Critique of NASA's Artemis as "vendor-driven" rather than focused on the mission goal Current Opportunity: New potential for Mars exploration under the current administration, but it must be a national program Timeline Prediction: Realistic goals of uncrewed Starship on Mars by 2028 and humans by 2033 Scientific Value: First Mars Starship should carry substantial scientific payload instead of just a demonstration mission—no red Tesla Roadsters to Mars, please Planetary Protection: Strong case against the "anti-human aesthetics" of keeping Mars pristine Science Budget Concerns: Warning against proposed 50% cuts to NASA's science programs Starboat Concept: Proposal for a smaller ascent vehicle to complement Starship for more efficient Mars and Moon missions Moon vs. Mars Strategy: Design hardware primarily for Mars that can also work for lunar exploration Hosts: Rod Pyle and Tariq Malik Guest: Dr. Robert Zubrin Download or subscribe to This Week in Space at https://twit.tv/shows/this-week-in-space. Join Club TWiT for Ad-Free Podcasts! Support what you love and get ad-free shows, a members-only Discord, and behind-the-scenes access. Join today: https://twit.tv/clubtwit

Airbus announced that it is cutting over 2,000 job cuts in Defense and Space. The European Space Agency launched their Proba-3 Sun-observing mission aboard the Indian Space Research Organisation's PSLV-XL rocket. Arianespace is targeting its VV25 launch attempt today, Thursday 5 December 6:20 p.m. local time in French Guiana, and more. Remember to leave us a 5-star rating and review in your favorite podcast app. Be sure to follow T-Minus on LinkedIn and Instagram. T-Minus Guest Our guest today is Robert Zubrin, President of the Mars Society. You can connect with Robert on LinkedIn, and learn more about the Mars Society on their website. Selected Reading Airbus cuts 2,000 Defence and Space jobs, taming earlier plans- Reuters Space firms plot new European satellite venture to take on Starlink as job cuts loom- Reuters ESA - Eclipse-making double satellite Proba-3 enters orbit Arianespace 2 Flight Postponement of the Launch  Northrop Grumman Completes Activation of the Arctic Satellite Broadband Mission Capabilities, Including EPS-R Payloads Space Force activates component field command in Japan China launches new satellite group for Spacesail Constellation Muon Space Awarded Space Force Contract to Advance Space-Based Environmental Monitoring Capabilities SpaceX launches 350th mission using a flight-proven Falcon 9 rocket booster during Starlink mission from California – Spaceflight Now Orbite Closes Series A and Launches Luxury Space Programs and Strategic Partnership- Business Wire T-Minus Crew Survey We want to hear from you! Please complete our 4 question survey. It'll help us get better and deliver you the most mission-critical space intel every day. Want to hear your company in the show? You too can reach the most influential leaders and operators in the industry. Here's our media kit. Contact us at space@n2k.com to request more info. Want to join us for an interview? Please send your pitch to space-editor@n2k.com and include your name, affiliation, and topic proposal. T-Minus is a production of N2K Networks, your source for strategic workforce intelligence. © N2K Networks, Inc. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Ashton interviews Sergii Iakymov, director of Mars Society's Mars Desert Research Station in Hanksville, Utah. Sergii also talks about his recent mission at HERA -- NASA's human exploration research analog. https://www.nasa.gov/mission/hera/ https://mdrs.marssociety.org/

We love to hear from you. Send us your thought, comments, suggestions, love lettersGuest: Dr. Robert Zubrin, Founder of the Mars Society and Author of "The New World on Mars"In this expansive conversation, Dr. Robert Zubrin takes us beyond the technical challenges of reaching Mars to explore the complex realities of establishing permanent human settlements on the Red Planet. While the world watches Starship development, Zubrin reveals how energy production, food sustainability, radiation protection, and governance structures pose the real challenges for human survival on Mars. His insights challenge common misconceptions and propose innovative solutions for everything from terraforming to creating new societies, demonstrating how Mars settlement could reshape human civilization both on and off Earth.Quotable Insights:"Mars will be ruled by the Martians. Different groups of people will emigrate to Mars with very different ideals as to what the ideal society should be.""We don't go to Mars to desert the Earth. We go to Mars to expand the capacity of the human race, to create new branches of human civilization.""I believe that humans are not the enemies of life, humans are the vanguards of life.""We have in our power to begin the world anew."Cosmic Timeline (Timestamps):[00:00:00] Opening: Mars governance and future civilizations[00:02:23] Realistic timeline for human Mars missions within next decade[00:03:46] Energy challenges on Mars - nuclear vs. solar power[00:06:20] First expedition structure and duration[00:09:31] Economics of Mars transportation and Starship development[00:13:51] Transition from expeditions to permanent settlements[00:20:00] Mars Against Hunger Prize and food production innovations[00:30:34] Radiation protection strategies and reality check[00:34:23] Living arrangements: underground vs. surface habitats[00:40:56] Terraforming possibilities using fluorocarbon gases[00:42:42] Alternative terraforming methods using iron nanoparticles[00:49:23] Mars governance models and settlement structures[00:56:18] Immigration and settlement competition between colonies[01:05:06] Mars as human expansion rather than planetary backup[01:08:32] Personal motivations and future vision[01:09:57] Music selection: Beethoven's Third SymphonyLinks to Explore:The Mars SocietyMars Against Hunger PrizeDr. Zubrin's Book: The New World on Mars (Penguin UK Edition)Mars Direct Mission PlanSpread the Cosmic Love!Share this episode with anyone interested in exploration, sustainable technology, or the future of human civilization. This conversation goes beyond the typical space exploration narrative to explore how You can find us on Spotify and Apple Podcast!Please visit us at SpaceWatch.Global, subscribe to our newsletters. Follow us on LinkedIn and Twitter!

Ashton Zeth interviews speakers from the 2024 Mars Society Convention at the University of Washington in Seattle. Includes interviews with: - Dr. Pete Worden of Breakthrough Initiative - Howard Hu, Orion Program Director at NASA - Anna Wadhwa on microgravity experiments - Bryan Versteeg, space concept artist - Edwin Kite on Martian atmosphere terraforming - Dr. David Caitling Filmed August 8-11 in Seattle Washington at 'The Hub' on the University of Washington's campus during the annual Mars Society Convention. #MarsSociety2024 #MarsExploration #SpaceInnovation

NASA's Europa Clipper mission is about to head off on a five year mission to explore one of Jupiter's largest moons. Planetary geologist mission scientist Cynthia Phillips joins Sue Nelson and Richard Hollingham to discuss why this icy body could potentially be habitable. Plus, engineer, author and president of the Mars Society, Robert Zubrin, on his book The New World on Mars, and how societies and cities will emerge on the red planet once colonisation is underway... Like this podcast? Please help us by supporting the Naked Scientists

NASA's Europa Clipper mission is about to head off on a five year mission to explore one of Jupiter's largest moons. Planetary geologist mission scientist Cynthia Phillips joins Sue Nelson and Richard Hollingham to discuss why this icy body could potentially be habitable. Plus, engineer, author and president of the Mars Society, Robert Zubrin, on his book The New World on Mars, and how societies and cities will emerge on the red planet once colonisation is underway... Like this podcast? Please help us by supporting the Naked Scientists

Ashton Zeth and Alan Boyle interview Dr. Robert Zubrin, founder of the Mars Society, about the new Mars Exploration Act. The legislation proposal mandates NASA to put humans on Mars in under 10 years. #MarsExplorationAct #MarsSociety

Joining this panel are Nicole Willett, Education Director of the Mars Society, and Jen Carver-Hunter from NASA's Spaceward Bound Utah program. Together, we explore Nicole's Mars Engineering Design competition and Jen's K-12 STEM initiatives, both of which are dedicated to invigorating and inspiring the next generation of students! https://www.marssociety.org/education/intl-mission-to-mars-design-course-competition/ https://www.marssociety.org/news/2023/02/28/teachers-as-learners-the-impact-of-spaceward-bound-utah/

A new satellite recently blasted off into Earth orbit with the important mission of tracking methane emissions from oil and gas infrastructure across the globe. Free public access to the data from MethaneSAT is a game-changer for holding oil and gas companies accountable for climate pollution. Also, since 2001 the Mars Society has run over 300 simulated missions at a remote site in the high desert of Utah, to study the effect of extra-vehicular activity or EVA on the human body and mimic field research people might run on Mars one day, such as looking for fossilized life. What a day in the life of a participant looks like and why some believe we should send humans to Mars. And the handful of astronauts and cosmonauts on board the International Space Station float in a strange paradox, with the Earth constantly in view, but always out of reach. A new novel called Orbital explores the splendor of planet Earth as seen from orbit through a day in the life of six astronauts up on the ISS. -- We rely on support from listeners like you to keep our journalism strong. You can donate at loe.org – any amount is appreciated! -- and thank you for your support. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ashton Zeth, the newly appointed director of the Ambassador Program, interviews our Mars Society Ambassadors. This panel includes James Melton, Nasir Rizwan, Jonathan Nalder, and Emmanuel Kyei Twumasi.

In this episode Peter Garretson talks with Dr. Greg Autry, Associate Provost for Space Commercialization and Strategy at the University of Central Florida, and former member of the 2016 NASA Agency Review Team and White House Liaison to NASA in 2017.  They discuss a number of ideas in Dr. Autry's new book Red Moon RISING: How America Will Beat China on the Final Frontier. They touch on how Dr. Autry moved from being a software entrepreneur into the New Space movement, including his early work in China on human rights, the impact of his earlier book Death By China, and what are the stakes of Space Race 2.0. They also delve into Dr. Autry's recent testimony on the stakes of the in-space mineral supply chain, including relegating the U.S. to an economic backwater, and potentially existential threat to the US. They explore the big idea of Space Settlement, Millions of people living and working in space on new space stations, the surface Moon and Mars, and why we should populate Mars, and how China's decision to turn inward multiplied rather than solved their problems. They talk about the contribution of space toward our understanding of climate and the environment, and toward offering solutions, and Autry's contention that America can afford to have a future in space. They assess communism, authoritarianism, capitalism, billionaires, nuclear power, and the remarkable bipartisanship in space. They discuss how cooperation is boring and has resulted in very little comparative progress. They converse about NASA's tragic plans to trash the ISS, and alternatives for this tremendous piece of human heritage. They evaluate the progress of NASA's Artemis vs the tasking in the National Space Policy, and the historical reasons for its complexity and schedule delay, and concerns of a lack of urgency, and that the US may be losing in the race with China.  Bridging on Dr. Autry's recent review of the Republican Platform space strategy, Greg discusses what is a vision worthy of our nation and what must be done to move forward. They conclude by discussing ways for individuals to get in involved in the Space Movement, including the National Space Society (NSS), Mars Society, Moon Village Association, and the open & welcoming nature of the Space Movement and ways to seek the education to become a space leader, such as University of Arizona's Thunderbird Executive Master of Global Management: Space Leadership Business and Policy. More of Dr. Autry's thinking can be found in his regular Forbes Science Column and Foreign Policy, and New Space Articles.

Ashton interviews James Burk, Executive Director of the Mars Society. They talk about the new mission at Flashline Mars Arctic Station, James' mission at MDRS in Utah, and many updates of the Mars Society.

On May 7th and 8th, experts from government, industry, small business, and academia will come together in Washington, D.C., for the 2024 Humans to Mars Summit focused on sending humans to Mars. The event, the largest such gathering on earth, is being organized by Chris Carberry, the CEO and Co-Founder of Explore Mars Inc.,  a nonprofit dedicated to fostering a permanent human presence on the Red Planet no later than 2033. Once the province of science fiction, Chris says a Martian colony is inevitable, and there are ample opportunities right now for entrepreneurs and independent businesses to climb aboard. Chris is the author of The Music of Space: Scoring the Cosmos in Film and Television and Alcohol in Space: Past, Present and Future.  Before joining Explore Mars, he served as Executive Director of The Mars Society.  The countdown to an out-of-this-world adventure has begun. Listen now for your ticket to ride.  Monday Morning Radio is hosted by the father-son duo of Dean and Maxwell Rotbart. Photo: Chris Carberry, Explore Mars, Inc.Posted: April 22, 2024 Monday Morning Run Time: 53:12 Episode: 12.42 RELATED EPISODES Daniel Sax's Entrepreneurial Philosophy is “Shoot for the Moon” — Both Figuratively and Literally Exploring Out-of-This-World Business Concepts with Christine Nobbe

When Robert Zubrin published his classic book The Case for Mars a quarter century ago, setting foot on the Red Planet seemed a fantasy. Today, manned exploration is certain, and as Zubrin affirms in The New World on Mars, so too is colonization. From the astronautical engineer venerated by NASA and today's space entrepreneurs, here is what we will achieve on Mars and how. Shermer and Zubrin discuss: why not start with the moon? • what it is like on Mars • whether Mars was ever like Earth • how much it will cost to go to Mars • how to get people to Mars • resources on Mars • colonization of Mars • public vs. private enterprise for space exploration • economics, politics, and government on Mars • lessons from the Red Planet for the Blue Planet • liberty in space. Robert Zubrin is former president of Pioneer Astronautics, which performs advanced space research for NASA, the US Air Force, the US Department of Energy, and private companies. He is the founder and president of the Mars Society, leading the Society's successful effort to build the first simulated human Mars exploration base in the Canadian Arctic.

Engineer and author Dr. Robert Zubrin founded the Mars Society, an international organization dedicated to furthering the exploration and settlement of Mars by both public and private means. In the first half, he discussed his new book, which delves into the new world humans could create once they settle on Mars. If SpaceX's Mars missions are successful, we could have people on Mars within 8-10 years, he enthused, adding that at a distance of around 35 million miles, it's a six-month journey to get there. Zubrin believes that Mars will host a number of different colonies, which will have varying ideas about governance, social systems, and customs. These small city-states or settlements will house 10,000 to 100,000 people, he predicted, and be built with materials created on Mars.Zubrin envisions these Martian city-states competing for new immigrants around 50 to 100 years from now. There is potential for economic growth through colonization, including developing Martian resources into valuable products and creating infrastructure to increase land value, he continued. Zubrin added that inventions or patents could be another lucrative export for the Red Planet, as the technologically inclined colonists will be forced to innovate in many new areas to ensure their survival. As far as the goal of terraforming Mars so people could live outside of domes or breathe the air, he suggested that technologies 100 years in the future may have far better and faster solutions than the current idea of producing greenhouse gases and growing plants.-----------Psychotherapist (M.Ed.) and counselor Ross Rosenberg is an expert in codependency, narcissism, and trauma. In the latter half, he talked about how tales of monsters and vampires are metaphors for pathological narcissists and sociopaths -- people who walk among us, creating a normal and successful facade on the outside, but on the inside are actually heartless oppressors out to snare victims into their elaborate web of mental abuse and control. He suggested that codependent individuals (who often pair up with a narcissist) can be viewed as having a self-love deficiency disorder. Narcissists think they're not doing anything wrong, that they're entitled, and that everyone should give them what they want, while sociopaths are aware of their lack of caring and try to disguise it, he detailed.Those with narcissistic personality disorder can be selfish, vain, grandiose, possessive, and manipulative, he continued. Less than 1% of the population are sociopaths, while narcissism can be found in 5-8% of people. When these two disorders combine in the "sociopathic narcissist," you encounter someone who lacks empathy, seeks out the vulnerabilities in their victim, and then draws the emotional and financial lifeforce from them like a parasite, he explained. While there are some treatments for narcissism, he said there is no cure for a sociopath. "They don't have a core, so they don't have anything to reach," and they don't experience any inner turmoil when they do something wrong, Rosenberg noted. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/georgenoory/message

A new satellite recently blasted off into Earth orbit with the important mission of tracking methane emissions from oil and gas infrastructure across the globe. Free public access to the data from MethaneSAT is a game-changer for holding oil and gas companies accountable for climate pollution. Also, since 2001 the Mars Society has run over 270 simulated missions at a remote site in the high desert of Utah, to study the effect of extra-vehicular activity or EVA on the human body and mimic field research people might run on Mars one day, such as looking for fossilized life. What a day in the life of a participant looks like and why some believe we should send humans to Mars. And on April 8th millions across North America will have the opportunity to experience a total solar eclipse, when the moon briefly blocks out the sun. How our ancestors reacted to this strange, otherworldly phenomenon, and how you too can safely witness it. -- We rely on support from listeners like you to keep our journalism strong. You can donate at loe.org – any amount is appreciated! -- and thank you for your support. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ashton Zeth interviews astrobiologist Dr. Graham Lau, host of "Ask an Astrobiologist". Dr. Graham Lau also serves as a logistics coordinator for the ⁠University Rover Challenge (URC) ⁠held by the Mars Society and the Communications & Marketing Director for the Blue Marble Institute. Dr. Graham Lau's links:  ⁠Ask An Astrobiologist⁠ ⁠Cosmobiota⁠ ⁠University Rover Challenge⁠ Blue Marble Institute

The Mars Society's live podcast, RedPlanetLive interviews the people instrumental to settling and exploring Mars. In this episode Ashton Zeth interviews the Dr. Shawna Pandya, a scientist-astronaut candidate!

The Mars Society's live podcast, RedPlanetLive interviews the people instrumental to settling and exploring Mars. In this episode, Ashton Zeth interviews the FMARS 15 crew who recently finished a 2-week mission at the Devon Island analog. The crew: Andrew Wheeler Terry Trevino Andy Greco Olivia Drayson Caleb Pool For an even more in-depth look, check out this video with highlights and personal interviews from the crew's extraordinary trip:    • Flashline Mars - Arctic Mission Crew 15  

This month's episode, Ashton Zeth, host of Red Planet Live interviews speakers from the International Mars Society Convention 2023.  Guests include:  Wolfgang Fink, PhD, Keonjian Endowed Chair in Robotics, U. of Arizona Tiffany Morgan, Deputy Director of NASA's Mars Exploration Program Roberto Carlino, Robotics Engineer at NASA Dr. Greg Autry, Director of Space leadership at ASU, Thunderbird School of Management Kai Staats, Director of Research for SAM at Biosphere 2 Roger Gilbertson, Mars Society Ambassador Eric Kristoff, M.S., EVA Link & Mars Society, Chicago Chapter ** Correction **  Dr. Wolfang Fink's title in the show should read, Keonjian Endowed Chair! A special thanks to all our guests.

Marcos Bruno es un joven ingeniero mecatrónico argentino que ha estado involucrado en iniciativas de exploración espacial preparatorias para misiones a la Luna y Marte. Ha participado en proyectos financiados por la NASA y The Mars Society. Marcos Bruno es cofundador y CTO de Merovingian Data, una empresa de inteligencia de mercado. Merovingian Data se centra en brindar soluciones de inteligencia empresarial a organizaciones que buscan aprovechar al máximo sus datos y obtener información valiosa para la toma de decisiones. La empresa se enfoca en el análisis de datos, el desarrollo de soluciones basadas en inteligencia artificial, la creación de paneles en tiempo real y la automatización de procesos. Su proceso se destaca por su enfoque en tres etapas: ASSESS, donde evalúan los procesos organizativos en busca de áreas problemáticas y oportunidades; BUILD, donde construyen soluciones de datos, y CURATE, enfocados en el análisis constante de datos, generando información clave para la toma de decisiones y promoviendo prácticas basadas en datos y cambios efectivos en la organización. Marcos ha participado en varias misiones análogas, que son simulaciones de lo que sería viajar y vivir en la Luna y Marte. Estas misiones se llevan a cabo en lugares que se asemejan a Marte, como el Desierto de Marte en Utah, EE. UU. Durante estas misiones, él y su equipo siguen protocolos similares a los que seguirán los astronautas en el futuro y realizan experimentos para comprender mejor los desafíos de la vida en otros mundos. Una historia realmente increíble. ¡No se la pierdan! TedTalks de Bruno: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9Fala4pT2Y&ab_channel=TEDxTalks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdrHNToWOnc&ab_channel=TEDxTalks Gracias a nuestros sponsors: Mana Tech: Sumerge tu startup en el ecosistema de Miami con ManaTech. ⁠https://immersion.base.miami/⁠ Farmacéutica La Santé: Tu Generico, Tu Vida. ⁠⁠www.lasanteecuador.com⁠⁠ Pardux: Expandir tu negocio por Latinoamérica nunca fue tan fácil. ⁠⁠https://www.pardux.com/⁠

Robert Zubrin is an American aerospace engineer, author, and advocate for human exploration of Mars. He and his colleague at Martin Marietta, David Baker, were the driving force behind Mars Direct, a proposal in a 1990 research paper intended to produce significant reductions in the cost and complexity of such a mission.Summary Zubrin recaps his early interest and hopes for space exploration.  He speaks about the mission creep that plagued space travel efforts in the 90's and his efforts to make Mars the focus of space travel once again.  He is adamantly against on-orbit assembly and the generally more complex plans that people come up with for Mars bases. He also touched on his interactions with Elon Musk and SpaceX.  After founding the Mars Society, Zubrin needed money to develop practice locations for Mars colonization.  He held a fundraiser where they met, and from there, Musk was all-in on getting humanity to Mars.Robert continues to create innovative technologies with his independent company.  Even with his success at stimulating SpaceX and other organizations to explore Mars, he continues to push for more progress toward the red planet.Full session summary: https://foresight.org/summary/robert-zubrin-the-mars-society/The Foresight Institute is a research organization and non-profit that supports the beneficial development of high-impact technologies. Since our founding in 1987 on a vision of guiding powerful technologies, we have continued to evolve into a many-armed organization that focuses on several fields of science and technology that are too ambitious for legacy institutions to support.Allison Duettmann is the president and CEO of Foresight Institute. She directs the Intelligent Cooperation, Molecular Machines, Biotech & Health Extension, Neurotech, and Space Programs, Fellowships, Prizes, and Tech Trees, and shares this work with the public. She founded Existentialhope.com, co-edited Superintelligence: Coordination & Strategy, co-authored Gaming the Future, and co-initiated The Longevity Prize. Apply to Foresight's virtual salons and in person workshops here!We are entirely funded by your donations. If you enjoy what we do please consider donating through our donation page.Visit our website for more content, or join us here:TwitterFacebookLinkedInEvery word ever spoken on this podcast is now AI-searchable using Fathom.fm, a search engine for podcasts.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Danny Quintana- is the president and founder of the Global High Seas Marine Preserve, a non-profit education organization dedicated to educating people on ocean wildlife issues. He is the author of several books, most recently Space and Ocean Exploration as the Alternative to World War III and Copernicus Was Mistaken, Why the Earth is Still the Center of the Universe. He is a graduate of the University of Utah in political science, B.A. (1980) and Utah's College of Law, J.D. (1983). He is a member of the Mars Society. In college he was a Rockefeller Minority and Hinckley Institute Intern. Mr. Quintana is committed to spending the next 20 years or however long he lives to creating a Global High Seas Marine Preserve. The goal is to protect all of the oceans' wildlife. Prior to his creation of this ocean education non-profit, he traveled all over the world the Mobility Project, a non-profit humanitarian organization. He is the co-author of “Adventures in Humanitarian Work, Delivering Wheelchairs to the Developing World” with Lisa Murphy, the president of the Mobility Project. Mr. Quintana continues to practice law, play wheelchair tennis, and write books. Gail Merrifield Papp, author of PUBLIC/PRIVATE: My Life with Joe Papp at the Public Theater (Applause; October 3, 2023)This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3240061/advertisement

In this episode Ashton Zeth hosts an interview with Dr. Robert Zubrin, Founder and President of the Mars Society. Dr. Robert Zubrin announces the formation of the Mars Technical Institute and is interviewed by Alan Boyle of GeekWire.

The Mars Society's live podcast, RedPlanetLive interviews the people instrumental to settling and exploring Mars. In this episode Ashton Zeth interviews a panel from the University Rover Challenge 2023. Ashton interviews Kevin Sloan, the director of The University Rover Challenge for the Mars Society.

The Mars Society's live podcast, RedPlanetLive interviews the people instrumental to settling and exploring Mars. In this episode Ashton Zeth interviews Emily Calandrelli, an American science communicator, former MIT engineer, and the host and an executive producer of Xploration Outer Space and Emily's Wonder Lab.

The Mars Society's live podcast, RedPlanetLive interviews the people instrumental to settling and exploring Mars. In this episode Ashton Zeth interviews Marcia Rieke, the Principal Investigator of the NirCam James Webb Space Telescope and Regents Professor of Astronomy at the University of Arizona.

Today we are joined by two new Wolfpack members from Buffalo, NY. Brian Bartelo is 13 years old and brother Sean is almost 11. While they have many interests, one of their main passions is space. Brian has an impressive resume already. He has presented topics such as mitigating space debris at AIAA Regional in Buffalo and, most recently, at Explore Mars' Humans to Mars Summit. He was part of the life support systems American team of students for the inaugural Mars Society's Student Challenge with Dr. Robert Zubrin. He is accelerated in his learning and is taking concurrent high school and college credit courses at Genesee Community College as part of the NY State ACE Homeschooling Program. He is hoping to study astrophysics and mechanical engineering at the University of Buffalo. Brian is also the founder and editor of his online school paper "Astra Nova Student Newsletter". Sean is interested in planetary defense and 3D design and printing. He has attended the Henry Ford National Invention Convention two years in a row as a finalist for his inventions and presentations. This school year, he has led teams that were semi-finalists in challenges such as Future City, Cities in Space, and the Mars Innovation Challenge. As a citizen astronomer, he has discovered 17 asteroids. He enjoys drawing, painting, and architecture. He hopes to study astronomy and engineering. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/shawna-christenson2/support

he Mars Society's live podcast, RedPlanetLive interviews the people instrumental to settling and exploring Mars. In this episode Ashton Zeth interviews James Burk, the Executive Director of the Mars Society. James Burk, Executive Director, The Mars Society James Burk is the Executive Director of the Mars Society, which is the largest and most active Mars advocacy group in the world. He has volunteered with the Mars Society for over 25 years and has occupied the role as Executive Director for the past year and a half. James is also a member of the organization's steering committee and served as Director of Information Technology from 2011 through 2022. As part of this, he helped create the group's MarsVR project, a digital twin VR environment of Mars Desert Research Station (MDRS) in Utah. In addition, James is a veteran analog astronaut, having served on multiple crew missions at MDRS and is currently commanding Crew 261 at the facility until May 13th, so he'll be providing us with a firsthand account of and taking your questions about his recent visit "to Mars" during our May 16th podcast.

Do you want to see humans on the surface of Mars by the mid-2030s? Explore Mars, Inc.'s annual conference, the 2023 Humans to Mars Summit (H2M) takes place on May 16-18, 2023 at the National Academy of Sciences Building in Washington, D.C. This event is already shaping up to be the largest H2M yet, featuring leaders from NASA, innovators, policy experts and elected officials, STEM professionals, artists and musicians, members of the entertainment community, and more presentations from throughout the industry. ONLY on the Casual Space Podcast, Beth Mund and returning guest Chris Carberry, Explore Mars CEO, provide a insider preview as to what's to be expected at this year's event!  CASUAL SPACE LISTENERS can receive 10% OFF your ticket to the H2M Summit with the code: CASUALMARS https://www.exploremars.org/summit/  “It is time for the space community to inject a sense of urgency into our common goal of sending humans to Mars,” notes Explore Mars CEO Chris Carberry.  “H2M 2023 will not only highlight the steps that need to be taken to assure that NASA, industry, Congress and the Administration, and international partners will do what is necessary in order to achieve this goal by the mid-2030s, but also how we can inspire and harness non-traditional business and other players to become our partners in this effort.” The Artemis Accords. Returning to the Moon and on to Mars.  Innovations that benefit the Earth now.  Ensuring a diverse and inclusive future in space.  Architecture and policy on the Moon and Mars.  These are just a few of the themes being presented at H2M (Humans to Mars Summit).  So join us! You'll be sure to learn and enjoy the resources presented at this influential conference.  More about Explore Mars and the Humans to Mars Summit:: https://www.exploremars.org/summit/  About Chris Carberry Chris Carberry is CEO and co-founder of Explore Mars, Inc. a nonprofit which was created to advance the goal of sending humans to Mars within the next two decades. The organization also encourages the use of STEM curriculum in the classroom to instill a desire to pursue space exploration for future generations. Carberry is a well-respected expert and influential director of strategic alliances in the space community and has been responsible for growing many partnerships, grants and sponsorships for leading industry organizations. His innovative ideas and vast knowledge regarding space have given him a political presence when it comes to policymaking concerning the space related matters. Currently, as Explore Mars Executive Director, he acts as the main liaison for efforts and project ventures. He has been an international spokesperson on behalf of various space related entities on numerous occasions. Prior to joining Explore Mars, Carberry served as Executive Director to The Mars Society. In his early career, he acted as a member of the Steering Committee where he organized congressional outreach efforts around the country. He also played a part in congressional lobbying events such as the 2007-2010 Space Budget Blitz, the 2007 Moon-Mars Blitz, the 2006 Space Blitz, and the Great 2006 Mars Blitz as chairman and co-coordinator. In more recent years, he has led successful international conferences including the ISS and Mars Conference in Washington, D.C. and Strasbourg, France, and the Women and Mars Conference in Washington, D.C. In 2012, he represented Explore Mars as a delegate to the Mars500 Symposium in Moscow, Russia, and is spearheading the Humans to Mars Summit in Washington, DC in May 2013.He currently serves as Chairman of the Steering Committee for the Space Exploration Alliance, which is an umbrella group representing 13 space advocacy organizations with total membership of over 700,000 people.  

In his new book, “The Case for Nukes: How We Can Beat Global Warming and Create a Free, Open, and Magnificent Future,” Dr. Robert Zubrin makes a very strong case that we already have the technology to provide human civilization with unlimited and clean energy. Newt's guest is Dr. Robert Zubrin, President of Pioneer Astronautics, Founder of the Mars Society, and a former staff engineer at Lockheed Martin.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Mars Society's live podcast, RedPlanetLive interviews the people instrumental to settling and exploring Mars. In this episode Ashton Zeth interviews Kristine L Ferrone, the commander of MDRS Crew 269 (Aerospace Corporation) and some crew members about their MDRS mission and more!

The Mars Society's live podcast, RedPlanetLive interviews the people instrumental to settling and exploring Mars. In this episode Ashton Zeth interviews Rick Tumlinson from Earthlight Foundation.

We look at the future of living on Mars, talking with James Burk, executive director of The Mars SocietyThis week on The Cosmic Companion, we look at our shared future, living on the surface of the Red Planet. Later in the show, we'll be talking with James Burk, executive director of The Mars Society.Science-fiction has fueled the human quest to live on Mars for generations, from the technically-adept-if-illness-prone aliens of H.G. Wells' “The War of the Worlds,” onward to Ray Bradbury's “The Martian Chronicles,” and through Red Mars from Kim Stanley Robinson... Get full access to The Cosmic Companion w/ James Maynard at thecosmiccompanion.substack.com/subscribe

On this episode of The AUXORO Podcast, Dr. Robert Zubrin and Zach discuss Robert's plan for humanity to settle Mars and why we must, whether human life was seeded from Martian origins, Elon Musk's Starship Plan to settle Mars versus Dr. Zubrin's Mars Direct Plan, how alien life will present itself to humans, why John F. Kennedy was the greatest President for moving the space program forward, and more. Guest Bio: Dr. Robert Zubrin is an American aerospace engineer and advocate for the human exploration of Mars. He is the author of 'The Case for Mars', 'The Case for Space', and 'Merchants of Despair'. BONUS EPISODES & PREMIUM ACCESS: https://auxoro.supercast.com/ ROBERT ZUBRIN LINKS:The Case For Mars: https://amzn.to/3kNzL36All Books by Dr. Robert Zubrin: https://amzn.to/3Dh0wTOTwitter: https://bit.ly/3j4VfHY THE AUXORO PODCAST LINKS:Apple: https://apple.co/3B4fYju Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3zaS6sPOvercast: https://bit.ly/3rgw70DYoutube: https://bit.ly/3lTpJdjWebsite: https://www.auxoro.com/ AUXORO SOCIAL LINKS:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/auxoroYouTube: https://bit.ly/3CLjEqFFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/auxoromagNewsletter: https://www.auxoro.com/thesourceYouTube: https://bit.ly/3CLjEqF If you enjoy the show, please consider leaving a short review on Apple Podcasts. It takes less than 60 seconds, helps us appear higher in searches so more people discover the show, and it boosts my ego;) Past Guests On The Auxoro Podcast Include: Aubrey de Grey, Andy Weir, Eben Britton, Eric Jorgenson, Isabelle Boemeke, Houston Arriaga, Jerzy Gregorek, Chris Cooper, Gryffin, Elsa Diaz, Dave Robinson, Meghan Daum, FINNEAS, Chloé Valdary, Coleman Hughes, Maziar Ghaderi, YONAS, Ryan Michler, Ryan Meyer, Gavin Chops, Bren Orton, Zuby, Jason Khalipa, Ed Latimore, Jess Glynne, Noah Kahan, Kid Super, Deryck Whibley, and many more.   

Dr Thomas Gangale, the author of The Martian Almanac, holds a bachelor's degree in aerospace engineering, a master's in international relations, and a doctorate in space, cyber, and telecommunications law. In addition, he managed the technical and contractual aspects of the Hexagon and Gambit photoreconnaissance satellite systems and the payloads for the STS-4 and STS-39 Space Shuttle missions while serving as a US Air Force officer.Thomas and Marilyn Dudley connected while working on a project for the Mars Society. They were a Martian pair. Thomas carried on with her work after she passed, and as he did so, Thomas had the impression that she was constantly with himThomas Gangale has authored technical studies on human Mars mission concepts and interacting with Mars astronauts during solar conjunctions. Additionally, he has argued that extraterrestrial resource extraction for financial gain is permissible and challenged the von Karman line and the technical foundations for the Bogota Declaration in legal journal papers. He has written four books before.Marilyn and Thomas had long discussed writing books together. They collaborated on numerous conference articles, but he was too preoccupied with obtaining his master's and PhD degrees to publish a book with her. He has finally finished the Mars book they had discussed writing together but never started. It is the first of, in the ideal world, a string of works that will be released long after Thomas has joined Marilyn. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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On this episode, we round out the What Moves Her presented by Coldwell Banker Commercial's 3-part series of "Women in CRE Investing and Beyond," with an event titled, "New and Emerging Investment Opportunities" featuring Sydney Phillips. Sydney Phillips considers herself a serial entrepreneur, inventor, and philanthropist on a mission to push humanity forward and live interestingly. She is the co-founder & CEO of Zuke AR the leading virtual reality platform for the building industry. Zuke AR is paving the way for the building industry to enter the metaverse by transforming traditional 3D architectural models into metaverse experiences, tours, and more. She is the Chair of the Women in the Metaverse organization, an Ambassador and Speaker for the Mars Society, and Advisor to the Female Laboratory of Innovation and Knowledge. Sydney has gained recognition among the Top 25 Women in the Metaverse, 25 Most Influential Women in Commercial Real Estate, Top 100 US Business Leaders & People in Real Estate, and named the 2020 Young Female Entrepreneur of the Year. Check out her website for more info > www.thesydneyphillips.com If you missed the first 2 sessions of this three-part series, you can listen to Part 1 and Part 2 earlier on this Podcast.

We welcomed back Bob Zubrin on multiple topics including searching for life on Mars, NASA, the upcoming Mars Society convention, their high school design competition and more. Good calls and emails on human factors, humans on Mars, Starship, etc. Please read the full summary of the program at www.thespaceshow.com for this date, Tuesday, August 9, 2022.

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In the latest episode of this Tech Tonic season about US-China tech rivalry, the FT's US-China correspondent Demetri Sevastopulo tells the inside story of his scoop on China's secret hypersonic weapon test and how it changed geopolitics. We hear about the new space race between China and the US, including powerful satellite-destroying missiles and the pursuit of commercial space capabilities. Could China and the US ever co-operate on space exploration or are we seeing the dawn of a new space race?Presented by James Kynge, the FT's global China editor, this episode features interviews with US congressman Mike Gallagher; Todd Harrison, director of the Aerospace Security Project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies; and Robert Zubrin, president of the Mars Society.Check out stories and up-to-the-minute news from the FT's technology team at ft.com/technologyFor a special discounted FT subscription go to https://www.ft.com/techtonicsaleAnd check out FT Edit, the new iPhone app that shares the best of FT journalism, hand-picked by senior editors to inform, explain and surprise. It's free for the first month and 99p a month for the next six months.Hosted by James Kynge. Interview with congressman Mike Gallagher conducted by Demetri Sevastopulo. Edwin Lane is senior producer. Josh Gabert-Doyon is producer. Manuela Saragosa is executive producer. Sound design is by Breen Turner, with original music from Metaphor Music. The FT's head of audio is Cheryl Brumley.Read a transcript of this episode on FT.com See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.