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Brain Drain Episode 56 with Toby Batchelor & Forde Brookfield

Join us for Hammer's Hands of the Ripper, a 1971 British horror film released as the second half of a double feature with Twins of Evil. Directed by Peter Sasdy, produced by Aida Young, and written by L.W. Davidson from a story by Edward Spencer Shew. Making good use of the large Baker Street set at Pinewood Studios—left over from The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes—the production was denied permission to film its final scenes at St. Paul's Cathedral, so a replica was constructed instead. If the Pritchards' home and staircase look familiar, it's because Hammer's ever-resourceful set designers reused elements from The Curse of Frankenstein years earlier (see episode 2 of our podcast for more on that classic). Director Peter Sasdy, who cited Hands of the Ripper as his favourite film, also directed the original Adrian Mole TV series (both The Secret Diary and The Growing Pains), three episodes of Hammer House of Horror, and two other Hammer features: Countess Dracula and Taste the Blood of Dracula (the latter coming to the podcast later this year, hopefully). Most monumentally, he directed the legendary BBC sci-fi thriller The Stone Tape (definitely check General Witchfinders number 5—our third most popular episode to date!). Eric Porter stars as Doctor Pritchard. Renowned for his work in film, television, and theatre, he famously played Professor Moriarty opposite Jeremy Brett's Sherlock Holmes and Soames Forsyte in The Forsyte Saga. Angharad Rees plays Anna, the daughter of the Ripper. She appeared in Boon (take a drink), starred as Demelza in 28 episodes of Poldark, and, the year after Hands of the Ripper, featured in Under Milk Wood alongside Richard Burton, Peter O'Toole, and Elizabeth Taylor. She was made a Fellow of the Royal Welsh College of Music & Drama, had a pub named after her in Pontypridd (sadly now a card shop), and founded a Knightsbridge jewellery company, Angharad. Pieces she designed were featured in Elizabeth: The Golden Age. Wikipedia also notes she was once in a relationship with Alan Bates, which we mention only to plug episode 35, where we talked about The Shout.Lynda "Nurse Gladys Emmanuel" Baron appears as Long Liz—a curious name choice considering Long Liz was an actual canonical Ripper victim. Here, she's depicted alive and well (at least initially), years after Saucy Jack's supposed demise. Baron appeared as a recurring character in both Coronation Street and EastEnders, and played three different characters in Doctor Who across three Doctors.Dora Bryan turns up as Mrs Golding, one of two clairvoyants in the film. You may know her from 50 episodes of Last of the Summer Wine, Boon (drink), or as Helen in A Taste of Honey (written by Jon's mum's mate Shelagh Delaney). She (Dora, not Shelagh) also appeared in both a Carry On and a St Trinian's.Lastly, Norman Bird pops up as the Police Inspector. If he looks familiar, it's because he had over 200 TV and 60 film roles. He was in Spywatch (as Mr Jenkins), Boon (drink), Woof!, Whack-O!, and Help! (with Stephen Mangan). He also did a stint in Jim Davidson's Up the Elephant and Round the Castle—only mentioned because Ross was convinced it was alongside Marina Sirtis, but IMDb says she was in just one episode?Anyway, back to Norman Bird. He appeared in The Adventure Game, Whistle Down the Wind, Steptoe and Son, Fawlty Towers, Please Sir!, and The Medusa Touch (on our long list since day one). He was Mr Braithwaite, the farmer, in Worzel Gummidge and voiced Bilbo in the 1978 Ralph Bakshi Lord of the Rings. Get bonus content on PatreonSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/general-witchfinders. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

August ist Summer Talk-Zeit im FM4 Musikpodcast. Wir treffen uns mit fantastischen Menschen aus der Musikwelt und reden ein bisschen über Sommer und Livespielen, über Festivals und das Leben auf Tour. In der ersten Folge ist Luke Pritchard von The Kooks zu Gast. Im Gespräch geht es um perfekte Outfits auf der Bühne, beste Setlists, neue Musik und welches Körperteil Luke Pritchard an sich selbst am liebsten mag. Sendungshinweis: Generation Sound - der FM4 Musikpodcast, Mittwoch, 07.08.2024, 0 Uhr und Campus, Donnerstag, 08.08.2024, 4 Uhr.

*DUE TO A RECORDING ISSUE EARLY ON, THE FIRST 1 HOUR 6 MINUTES OF THIS RECORDING IS A BIT SCRATCHY. EVERYTHING SHOULD STILL BE AUDIBLE, AND IT CLEARS UP AFTER THE AFOREMENTIONED TIMESTAMP. WE ARE SORRY FOR THE INCONVENIENCE* CheloniaCast sits down with Sibille Pritchard to talk about her adventures with the late Dr. Peter Pritchard. The conversation ranges from early trips to Baja California and Mexico in pursuit of turtles and wildlife, finding rare and endangered species, bailing out of sinking ships, living in the Galapagos on remote islands, close calls with weather and village chiefs, the early days of the Chelonian Research Institute and visits with Ernst Mayr, lessons learned from different cultures and travel, and much more. To learn more about Sibille Pritchard and her work with Hart Communications and a multitude of other organizations visit: https://www.turtleconservancy.org/contact/sibille To access a list of Dr. Peter Pritchard's contributions to turtle and tortoise biology and conservation visit: https://meridian.allenpress.com/ccb/article/19/1/5/439947/Bibliography-of-Peter-C-H-Pritchard To learn more about the Chelonian Research Institute, the world's largest private collection of turtle artifacts and biofacts, visit: https://www.turtleconservancy.org/pritchard-collection Learn more about the CheloniaCast Podcast here: https://theturtleroom.org/cheloniacast/ Learn more about the CheloniaCast Podcast Fund here: https://theturtleroom.org/project/cheloniacast-podcast/ Follow the CheloniaCast Podcast on Instagram/Facebook/Twitter @cheloniacast Host social media - Jason Wills - @chelonian.carter / Michael Skibsted - @michael.skibstedd / Jack Thompson - @jack_reptile_naturalist_302 / Ken Wang - @americanmamushi / Wyatt Keil - @wyatts_wildlife_photography

The lads got together to chew the fat about our win against Stoke on Saturday and all the mayhem surrounding the club as we approach the end of the January window! Apples, pears, Pritchards and cockney stuff. Bosh.What's the crack? WE WON. Doesn't that feel a bit better? Well played Mason; Young Burstow had one of his best performances, if not the best so far, in a Sunderland shirt. Congratulations to the lad for getting his first goal for the club! Alex Pritchard apparently plain refused to pull on his shirt this weekend. The lads debate how reasonable this is given his seniority and responsibilities and judge the fan reaction they've seen so far to the news. ABDOULLAH! The lad comes good again! Take a bow; Pierre Ekwah found the net again also! What did we make of the performance overall - does it look like we're starting to see any significant changes? How are Gav and Martin (who had no strong feelings on Michael Beale's arrival) feeling about the microanalysis of pressers and interviews; Beale got in trouble for calling out personal insults (when asked about them) and got himself in more bother trying to explain what he meant. Could he have handled that a bit better? Did the following wave of clickbait bullshit from impossible to navigate sites built by Satan's minions help matters? Would the Alex Neil approach to journalists work better for him or should he ask the group what their favourite chocolates are? RAWA meeting minutes and Speakman speaks; so did we learn anything new? How we feeling about the approaching end of the window? Nervous? Relaxed? Wanting a signing or three? All this and more! Ha'way the Lads!#SAFC #EFLChampionship #EFL Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

JetsCast, Isabel Hillman, Max Kessler, Jane Greeley, Todd Greeley, Denver Broncos, David Hillman, David Legitimately Angry, Daryl Throwing a Pen, No Joy to be Had From the Jets, Charlie Cardello Rant, Steven Cardello, What Were They Doing?, Melbourne, Australia, Max Playing Baseball, Tom Pritchard, Sam Pritchard, Ross Pritchard, Sally Pritchard, Ross as a Tennis Professional and a Great Athlete, Great Friendship with the Pritchards, Two Week Trip to Australia, Sydney and Melbourne, 17 Hours to Hong Kong, 9 Hours to Sydney, Boys Fit in the Seats, Sponge Bob Movie, Simpsons Movie, Spider Pig, The Man Who Slept for 17 Hours, Milo Fit Into the Seat, Milo Sleeping on the Plan, Max's Early Wake-ups, Max Losing his First Tooth in China/Hong Kong, Going to the Beach Early in the Morning in Sydney, Travel to Melbourne, Australian Open with Ross, Sam, and Tom, Robbie Ginepri, Tomas Berdych, Dominik Hrbaty, John Isler, Frank Dancevic, Jamila Groth, Sam Groth, Milo Watching Tennis with a Random Guy, Milo Recognizing "Up a Break", Melbourne Zoo, Nerf Games, Australian Rules Football, Essendon Bombers, Ross and Sally Threw a Party for Us, Max and Milo Staying at Sally's Sister's House, Trampoline in the Backyard, Beach in Australia, I Hope Ross, Sally, Tom, and Sam are Listening, Great Family

Brain Drain Episode 16 with Toby Batchelor & Forde Brookfield

Brain Drain Episode 13 with Toby Batchelor & Forde Brookfield

If you're an adoptive parent and you're looking for a bit of encouragement, needed laughter, and a gentle reminder that you're not alone, you're in the right place. Michael and Christy Pritchard know firsthand that beneath the surface of your beautiful family lies layers of questions and hurts that are now woven into your everyday life.    Each week on Diapers to Diplomas, you'll hear authentic stories and practical next steps to help you lead your family with wisdom and discernment. Not only will you hear from the Pritchards' personal experience, but they'll be joined by other parents, as well as professionals, who will help your family move forward. Our next full episode will be released on Tuesday, September 28. 

On this episode co-founders (Casey Trujeque and Molly Kline) of the newly launched Sport Source appwhich is easily described as the AirBnb for sports joined to discuss all things about the app(2:07). Casey is also Payton Prtichard's trainer, so we discuss Pritchards 92-point performance in the Portland Pro-am (25:48) and more!

Aloha friends. It's Robert Stehlik, welcome to another episode of the blue planet show.  On this show I interview Wing Foil athletes, not only about the technique and the gear that they use, but I also try to get to know them a little bit better, their background, what makes them tick, what inspires them and how they live their best life. It's a long form format. So if you'd like in-depth information, then you're going to love this show.  I really appreciate you. I know not everyone has time to watch it on YouTube with the visuals. I think it's great, but you can, of course, also listen to it as a podcast with audio only, just search your favorite podcast app for "the blue planet show".  Today's interview is with Kevin and Kaden Pritchard. Kevin Pritchard is a multiple time wind surf world champion. Him and his brother, both Matt Pritchard and Matt's son, Kaden is 12 years old and he's only been winging for about a year. And he's already doing crazy moves: back flips and he's working on forward flips and he breaks down technique for me on the Flaka, which really helped me out too. So there's some really good stuff in here. And just the whole story about the Pritchard family living on Maui, basically because a friend gave a wind surf board to Kevin's dad. So that's what led to the whole family living that lifestyle now. So I thought that was great. Really interesting story. Good to see the two generations together and hope you enjoy this show as much as I did. And without further ado, please welcome the Pritchards!  Okay. Kevin and Kaden Prichard. Welcome to the Blue Planet Show. Thanks so much for making some time to join me. How you guys doing today? Yeah, thanks for having us. I was like, checking you out on that. On the internet and it's oh, let's do something. Could be cool. We've got Kaden who's starting to really start to rip on the wing foil. And yeah. That's cool. Yeah. Thanks for reaching out to me. I appreciate that. And and I saw you, you just started a YouTube channel and blogging and all that kind of stuff too. So I always like to collaborate with other people that try to create content and stuff like that. So it's great to have you guys, and you're both on Nali right now, right? And where are you at? It looks like you got a lot of gear behind you. There we are in my dad's workshop or yeah, his dad. We have a little rental. Wind surfing thing. So renting the waves and stuff over here on Maui. And my brother does a lot of lessons teaching, wind surfing. And he's been, has he been teaching leaning to a little bit Kayden? So your dad is Kevin's brother. That's how you relate okay. What's your dad's name? Okay. And then Kevin you been a long time windsurfer multiple time world champion and stuff like that. So then what, can you talk a little bit about your career actually, let's start with where you grew up and how you got into it and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. I grew up in California and actually my brother and I, we started windsurfing together with my parents and my mom and my dad. And like we all used to travel around, we'd go to hood river and we lived in California, so we just started my dad was addicted to it, so he just took us with us and just, we all fell in love with the sport and it was super fun and yeah, just started wind surfing all the time and we got into it and then my brother moved to Maui in 92. I think it was. And then I moved in 94. And then we just started going, doing the world tour together and just like step-by-step got better and better. And then yeah, it was awesome. We, he won a bunch of world titles and I won some world titles. It's crazy how a sport can take you and change your life. It's like we started in California together and now our whole family's here. And then he's had a family of two kids and it's pretty fun watching the Caden grow up to in the mix of, what we used to do as a family, go and wind surf and all this stuff. And his, my dad, his grandfather is I would say he's his biggest, person helping him go down to the beach and doing winging. And my dad's learned a wing and he's 70. So they go down together all the time and it's pretty cool. So we've got a family atmosphere that we've had all our lives and to see it getting passed down has been, it's been fun. Cool. So how old are you now? I'm 45. And what about UK? 11. 11. All right. Cool. So how, when did you stop competing professionally as a windsurfer or are you still competing or no. I would say it's pretty cool. I won the law classic in 2000 and then I won it in 2017. I think it was. 16 2016. So having I had a amazing career of 16 years of, still being, near the top. And that was one of my best moments was just, like 16 years later when it beaten these kids out who keep that was, it was special conditions with big waves and weird conditions, but still it was it was a good feeling to end your career on top and that's awesome. So that was only four years ago. You won that law classic, something like that. That's awesome. And then I do a bunch of testing for the wind surfing company as he sails and. Got more into that, brand ambassador and I'm still surfing every day. It's good. And testing the equipment, testing the gear and using the knowledge of all those years of competing and wind surfing to, make products better and things like that. So what do you do now mostly like where do you live mostly and what do you do? And so on. Nowadays I live on Maui and just have fun. I get to, go winging if it's like right now in the summertime. I haven't gone yet, but last summer I went a couple of times and I liked the just like the variety right now, just if it's good for cutting go cutting. It's good for wind surfing, go wind surfing, unless it's there's a, different seasons of when sales come out. When it's a busy test season from testing the winter thing here and then otherwise just just having fun. Yeah. And I'm just gonna play your this is like your new YouTube channel, and this is in Mexico, right? Yeah. You spend a lot of time in Mexico or in Baja. Yeah. This is kinda, this is where my brother and I would come down and we learned, I would say we learned wave sailing here because we, it was probably an eight hour drive from Southern California. And we would come down to this spot and learn the way. So it was pretty, it was like a kind of a. It's a long way. So you get a lot of turns and you can work on your sailing technique really easily. So it's, I think it's one of the best spots in the world for progressing your, your sailing or your whatever. When I was down here, there's this guy out there weaning and he was catching like, I dunno, 300 waves a day or something ridiculous like that, but it's pretty cool. Definitely a good spot that got you interested in and foiling as well. Yeah. How is that going? I guess you were talking about just starting to spoil and struggling with it a little bit. Yeah. I think the wind surfer on the foil is the hardest device. I don't know why they're either. Maybe nobody has really Stepped up the R and D with it, but the way wave, wind surf, foiling. I don't know. I've struggled with it. You just have so much power in the sale, you know where the wing, you can just get rid of it. And same with the kite where the wind surfing. It just it's hard. I don't know. I had a hard time with it anyways, right? Yeah. I actually haven't even really tried wind surfing with the foil. I used to wind surf all the time, but with the foil, I think it's like a whole different thing. And yeah, I think the foil and the wing just work really well together. Like you said, you can power it and ride the wave more like surfing the foils rather than the using the wind power. Yeah. It's pretty cool to watch him and see how like confident, like I was, I seem to be like carving little things with the foil and I think. If I could do that on surf board, which, would be the goal. It would be cool, but I don't know. I guess I got to put more time into it, like he's on the water all the time, so I'm not quite used to the foil as much as I should be, so in Baja, you also have you run like camps as well, like brother does. And that's where it would be, like I was saying, it's just awesome for just the waves are just endless. So for learning, it's incredible, it'd be fun to do a clinic with this kid down there if he could be in the cold water, but all right. Okay Kayden, let's talk a little bit about you now. How did I guess you were 11 years old, obviously still go to school, right? Yeah. Where do you go to school? Which school do you go to? I have a homeschool this past year. I've been getting a lot of time on the water and then next year, the Seaberry. Obviously you can drive it. So how do you get to the beach who takes you and so on? My grandpa has been taking me basically every time I want to go for since June, I would say right since June last year. So is that part of your homeschooling PE program is going wink, foiling. Yeah, no, you got time off, but so are you born and raised on Maui and how did you get, like, how did you get into water sports? What's your earliest memory of surfing or water sports? So on I started surfing with my dad when I was like three, and then when I was like five or six, I started doing it by myself and I loved it. And that's what I did till I was like nine or nine or 10. I still do it. But then I got into wind surfing and then one day my grandpa came to my house and just said, let's go win. And I didn't really want to go. But then I went. Down there. I loved it. And so when was this about a year ago or two years ago, or do you remember when, how long ago? That was a year ago. On July. Wait on June 1st. Wow. So pretty much exactly in one year. And now you're doing all these crazy moves. Yeah. So you're progressing pretty quickly, obviously. Like for those of you who don't know, I'm going to share some video of you doing some of these crazy moves. So at T talk a little bit about the back split. When did you learn to do that? And. Maybe let's try to break down that move a little bit. And what was most challenging about learning it and so on? The most challenging part is you rip your wing lot. Yeah. And, but once you get nice waves to launch off of, it's not that difficult because basically once you get halfway around, like upside down, then once you get and to get right there, then the wind will just blow you around. So it's the hardest part is to just pull your board around. Is this where is this? Where are you? Where is this at? This is car point it's in between Harbor and canal. Yeah, but it's not like you're launching off of huge waves. You're just launching off some smaller chop. It looks like a little swells case. So talk a little bit about the approaching the jump. I think that's something that most people overlook that when you're jumping, it's really important to come low and then get your foil at a really steep angle on the exit. Like this, you can see how your foil is going up at it's pretty steep angle. Yeah. And especially with the backflip, what I was trying when I was first learning it is, I was just like going super fast and trying to spin like as fast as I can, but I learned. That it's easier to do it slower when you have a bigger ramp and stuff. Okay. So getting more height and just rotating a little bit more slowly, and then you really throw back your head. Is that is it, does that, I guess that just helps you commit to the rotation. Yeah. I have three rotate better and it's just how I do it. I don't know. Yeah. So you said you've ripped a lot of wings, so is it, is that from the, when you lose your board and it falls onto the wing on the landing? Or how did you rip the wings? Sometimes I just pop up and there's a rip in my link. So what I'm guessing, it's probably from like, when I land and say, my board gets like falls off my face. It like, that's and then it'll flip over onto the way. So that's what happened in the most, but there were some times where like I would fall on to my wing would fall on my foil. So it's not all perfect. Let me see in the video and then get it fixed for you. My dad, he just got he's. He's amazing. He got a sewing machine, so he's been he's been doing like all these little projects with making little harnesses and leashes that work really well for my dad. I dunno. Do you use them or not? Yeah, I have one he's like Mr. MacGyver. My dad was like the original band life guy. Like when we were kids, we had this van that we pack all our stuff into and go down to Baja. And that was, 25 years ago, 30 years ago. And now it's the rage is band life, man life. And my dad was a builder and that's actually how we started wind surfing is he was building a house for a guy and the guy was still some wind surfing. And for my dad's birthday, he gave him a wind surfer. And so he just started wind surfing. And I was wanting to write that guy that gave my dad the windsurfer, because it changed our lives. It changed Kayden's life just to, like this one dude. My dad had wind surfer for his birthday, and now we're in Maui. We got the shot. We got, I, when I was traveling, I was, I traveled for a million miles on American airlines, so like from that one, dude, I S both my brother and I have been so blessed, like just like seeing the world, doing all this fun stuff. And, it's crazy that a sport can take you, having fun. We'd sure we worked hard at it, but, we had the time of our lives just from this, from this one guy. That's awesome. That's a great story. Yeah, you should definitely contact him and say, tell him, Hey, look what you started. And our hope, my dad, mom and dad, both. Here and family grandparents just moved here. So it's pretty cool. Where in California, did you grow up? We grew up in like the worst spot ever for wind surfing. I think it was like sand in between San Diego and LA and then inland. It was like Riverside area and there's a couple of lakes around where my dad got the wind surfer. It was built. He was building houses in canyon lake it's called and is terrible for wind surfing, but still got us hooked, and not to, get all this, just from him doing it. We the first place I learned, I was like seven, so I was smaller than him. And they only had big gear back then, My dad had advanced to the ponds. This is like these two, 300 meter long ponds, percolation ponds out in the middle of the desert. And it was the windy spot where you could, you wouldn't get in trouble if you drifted downwind or whatever. And my parents have been learning on the original windsurfer and then they got smaller and smaller gear. And I remember one day I was just sitting in the car. I was like, so bored. I'm like, ah, dad, just let me try this short board, and they're like, no, you can't do that. You got to learn on the long board or whatever. And I'm like, just let me try it on. So board. And I remember it still, like probably the only thing that I remember my childhood, but I remember getting on the wind surfer and like somehow after watching them for so long, I just got on it and I went flying down this, the pond and my board as I was like reeling down full plane, like nine years old on this tiny Windsor for it. And I was just, was flying down it. And after that I was just like, oh my gosh, I want to do that again. I had to walk back, cause I didn't know what I was doing. I was just like, somehow just watched what they did and yeah, that little, first little glide, changed all our lives. Change your, your Maui because of that first sensation or a walk definitely changed my life too. Yeah. For that first sensation where you're like, oh my gosh, you're right. Harnessing the wind, something can't even see and the last you down the, down the water and it's a pretty cool feeling. Yeah. And then, yeah. That's awesome. Good. How does it feel when you're on the wing? You're like flying, right? Yeah. Maybe you talk about your very first experience when you first got on the wing foiler and how that was learning it. The first time I got on the lane foil, I didn't really get up on foil, like I just got up and then I fell and then three or two days later, I got up on foil and I went all the way in on foil. And I was just like, this is the best sport ever be better than surfing. And then since then, I just kept going every day and, yeah. Awesome. So before you started winging filing, you never foiled before, that was how you learned how to foil as well. Yeah, that was the first time I learned how to foil or actually I think I went out with you yeah, that was the first spoiling experience I think I had. So Caitlin, how do you know, how about how much you weigh I'm about like 85 pounds, 85 pounds. Can you talk a little bit about the gear you use now? What size board and winging and foil. Yeah I've been using like, I used to be always like the guy I'm the biggest way now. And now I realized that the smaller, as a way, you can do more tricks and spins with it. So my go-to has been two eight. And so what is, what brand is the one that you're using? The two eight I'm using the gastro wings, because they're like, they're not super, super stiff. It's like you can, when you do this stuff, they'll then you're in the ways that you need them to. And that's super nice for me because I'm such a stiff wing. It would be really hard to do the flips because it would just want to, not it wouldn't bend for me two eighties, that pretty much all the time. Or do you have a bigger wing for lighter wind and the smaller one for stronger wind? Or how does that work? Yeah, I have the two way is for super windy conditions and then I have three, five and four too, and then actually took my brother out foiling on five two. And I don't think I ever want to do that again. Such a big waste. Did you see that, that, did you post the video or just the shot? Yeah, let me share that. And so there's a photo of you and your Instagram account. This on here is pretty cool. Cause I took the photo, but Yeah, they went out and it was really light wind day. It was, I think his grandpa's birthday. Huh? We were all down there kind of cruise in with my dad for his birthday. And I went out and this is funny. Like it was too light for me, so I drifted downwind and then this guy comes running down the beach. It's oh, I'll get that for you. And he's like sales, a backup. I'm like, Ooh, this is a, little humbling of this helped me out, but way better than carrying it back up. So I didn't care. And then he gets and he's because when he was 4, 3, 4 or five, something like that, I took him windsurfing and we did a tandem. And we were like going out. I had a great time. He looked like he had a great time and his is his mom and dad are little conservatives. And so when I took him out, I was like, we are going to full speed out doing big old jumps and stuff. We actually jumped so high. We broke the board together. So that was pretty funny. And then it was cool. We'll see him take out his little brother and at first they're going and I'm like, come on and get him on the foil, just get them on the foil. And finally got up and they're like cruising around on the foil. And then they even did a job on the didn't even, like who we does that I can't. Do a job on the foil barely. So it was pretty fun to watch. That's a huge win for you to an ad board, yeah. It's like the belt size. Yeah. It was huge everything because the first time I took them out, I was on a go for at one 30, with a 17 and a half tail and the 36 inch max. And then I went back out on the Eva friendly and the Kai tail and I'm just like, oh, this is so much lift. And then I got up and next time I want to try a smaller foils. I w I want them to put foot straps on the thing so they can do big airs. That's cool. So you using gold foils, gastro wings and who's making your boards? Fabian I don't know how to pronounce his last name, but Fabian's making my boards. That brand is taboo and yeah, we're doing lots of experiments with the boards and I really like that. Do you have one of your boards there that you can show us how it looks and stuff to shape? So I guess you'd also so after you started a wing filing, you also started prone, surf, foiling. Yeah. This is my circle board and I also wing it and I love this board for wave riding and stuff cause it's really turny. And then it has. Nice nose and rocker and all that stuff. It's the bottom shape too. It looks like a double concave, pretty hard edges. And then a kind of concave rails with concaves and then show us all what the size and volume is about on that board. I think this board is 25 leaders and it's a four. Oh. And then you just have two foot straps that are in the center. So do you, when you switch directions, you always switch your feet or most of the time, or with the feet in the same place. Or do you switch feed or do you keep them in the same position? Mostly I switched my feet most of the times, because when I do the back flip, my feet are switched in goofy foot, but I'm regular flip. That's also what made the back foot a lot, little harder. So can you do the back flip going both directions? Can you do going into, I haven't tried yet because I haven't really got like a good ramp to do it often. Cause it seemed like Jeff, like Jeffrey, Spencer, does this backflips always going in right. Coming in? Yeah. I want to try I'm up on a wave or like a wind shop. Yeah. I was talking to the guy Tetouan Galera from new Caledonia. He, they had a contest and they were doing back flips in saltwater, basically straight off shore, wind, total salt water. And there were, I guess it's definitely possible to, you just have to really get some height and push off on the jump, yeah. I want to try it on flat water, but I'm scared. Yeah. Yeah. It's here with a shorter mask cause you can rotate it. What you didn't talk about your foot and then maybe yeah. Maybe show us your foil set up to what length, how long is your mask? My master's at 36 inch max. Oh, that's pretty long. Yeah. It's really long. But for the flips and stuff, I was on a 32 here and I'm on the L 100 for 'em go foil and the 12 and a half tail. That was what I did for the flip. And then I also was on the TKR 80 for that one video that you were showing of the flip, a nice changes or what you're hoping to do in the future. I am hoping to like, make some foil, I don't know how it would be shaped or what, but this was for surf boiling and wink boiling too. But I would want something that turns. Super well, and then pumps super well for surf boiling. And then for weighing foiling, I would want something fast and really turn. So I like turning. Yeah. So fast, probably thinner than her profile and so on. Yeah. But yeah, that's one nice thing about the Gofoil stuff is Alex is down at the beach and he's been very generous to Kayden, like with prototyping stuff. Then before Kayden this guy, it was a he's a bit stubborn on changing stuff. Once he like something he's nah, not going to do it. I'm going to go on my four, two are going to go on my 42. And I was telling him, I'm like, oh, okay. Didn't you need a smaller wing. You can go higher, faster. And this and that. And then yeah. Alex will be like, Hey, maybe you should try this. Maybe you should just try that. And then yeah, but it's great to have Alex. Alex is such a pioneer of foil design and so on and always experimenting and tinkering. So it's yeah, for sure. Yeah. So w what do you mean by pop when you say you want the foot to have popped? Is that just like to get more height when you jump kind of thing popping out of the water? I I think more pop for me. It's usually like a short tail, like really sure there, cause I can lift out of the water and I already have a lot of pops, so I like, and I think more prof would be great. So that those are the fails of the Backwoods. Okay. You can go from May 8th, ourselves to June 8th and the totally nailing them. So what are you doing differently now? What were the mistakes that you were making at first, this not getting high enough or rotating the sale differently? Or what do you do differently? Not do you know? Yeah, I was rotating the sale where I would put it behind my back like that. And then I would like, you see how I put it, like behind right there. And now I'm like letting it go under me. And that helps a lot with the rotation. And then I just needed a little more. That was at the Harbor too. So that was Flatwater and that was pretty flat wide. Like this one, I had a little ramp to make it look so easy. Yeah. Amazing. But yeah. And actually, let's talk a little bit about the this other move the Upland or the upwind 360 or Slaka, and it looks like you're doing these ones now where you rotating them rotating the other way and then flipping her on. So like first rotating and then doing that, the Flocka move. So can you talk a little bit about that move and how, break it down for us? Yeah. I think with that, that first tweak right there. I do that too. It helps me almost get a faster rotation because I like go and then they just fit, lining up the spring kind of thing. Yeah. And then it also cause before when I used to do them, I would do them straight, like out of the water. But I've been realizing that it's a lot easier when you jump, wait, and then when you start coming down, then you do it. Okay. So it's like in windsurfing when we do forwards, like sometimes you do you go up first and you stall and then you throw yourself into the rotation. So maybe it's. Yeah. So I've been working on that moves too, and I've been pulling off maybe one out of 10 or something like that, but do you have any tips on for me, I always struggled with the landing and the CA the wind coming around and then like what, do you have any tips on that? Yeah, I think what I do is I really try to keep the wing as high as I can, so that it doesn't hit the water and it helps a lot to have the small, the smallest wing that you can be on. And, yeah, it definitely like with the rotation, it's a lot easier with a smaller wing and then it spins better. And for the landing, yeah. It just like it a whip you around in that last part. And then that'll pull you right up on, back onto the foil. Have you tried doing this move on, on the, on a wave? Yeah, I've done some on the waves sometimes. Like I can't really get up on foil straight away. What I did on that one. It's hard to do that for me. So most of the time I would do it land and then I would have to like pump and then I would go out the back of the wave, but then I would just go back into it and trying to figure out too. It looks like he almost pretty much rotating the wing at the very end. Like when you. When your foil already touched the water, like the last part of the rotation, really? Through the wind. Yeah. I liked doing that because since it has a forward momentum, it'll just be straight up onto the foil, like what I did there. Yeah. It's amazing how you just pull out of it right up on, back on the foil again, without like, when I do that, I don't I do the last part of the rotation almost in the water and while I'm bringing the wing around it and then pump myself back up, but it's almost like I stop new kind of still moving forward on the landing. So it's pretty, pretty cool. Yeah. That's why, like, when you do the wing rotation for their further, towards the bottom, it'll give you that forward momentum to get back up on the foil. Yeah. So and what about the wing? Do you have any tips for like how you hold the wing or do you try to have less power in it? Or what I try to do is I tried to, I try to go off of a little chalk or something. And then when I do it, the, I like to do them in holes of wind, like where there's a hole so that you can rotate. So it's not too, you don't want super strong Gus when you're doing it, right? Yeah. I would rather do like underpowered, not because it's harder to do in super strong winds. I think too, though, his definition of strong lens is really strong because this summer it's been 40, 30 to 40 every single day. Yeah. Pretty crazy window. Over here on Molly. Yeah. Yeah. And it's not too, it's like you bringing the wing through the wind after the foil touches down really or after you've already touched the water. Yeah. So it's pretty, pretty late in the move when you actually spin the wing around. Yeah, definitely. It, I liked doing it towards closer to the water. Because what sometimes, like when they do it above the water, I would just have a bunch of extra time to rotate again or whatever. And then I usually mess up or something. It looks like you almost pump it. It's almost like a pumping thing when you with that. Yeah. And that was the first fact loop I may ever. So then that looks like a pretty big ramp too. Yeah. I needed a bigger rant, more in the start. And there were some where I had too big of a ramp where I over-rotated an ate. So what happens when you over-rotate? What happened once was like, I did it and then I like had the perfect landing and then I like landed like that and back flopped and got the wind knocked out of me. I try not to go off of ginormous ramps anymore. Cause it really hurts land. Yeah. I've seen Zane Schweitzer does them like off of big ways that he'll keep by like really throwing himself backwards and it looks pretty, pretty crazy, but I guess that way you can definitely rotate all the way around. Yeah. I think the bigger, the way of the slower you have to rotate and back when I was first doing them, I would just rotate as fast as I could. So I did a lot of over rotation. So let's talk a little bit about based more basic stuff for a lot of the people listening are just getting into wing fighting. And then also actually Kevin, maybe you can talk a little bit about your first experiences with four thing with the wind surf board and what are the challenges and so on and any advice you can. Yeah, I think for me, the, actually for me, I think the wing is almost the easiest platform to learn on because you even when T with like, when I was first towing, because I thought, oh, that's going to be the easiest you're in control. You're in the jetski driver is in control. Like you just want to let go a little bit, slow down a little bit with the wing. You can just let it out where, if you're on a, behind a boat or whatever, it takes a lot of coordination, especially in the swells, like maybe on a Flatwater it's different, but I was always learning on the waves and no for me, the wind surfers, it's pretty fun going back and forth and stuff. Actually the other day we were out at . Yeah. I heard about him doing backflips. So I'm like, Aw show and how to do a back flip with the Windsor for, so doing that. And it's interesting to watch his rotations and stuff, and there's just so much lift with those boils. If you get them in the right, right way, you can just flip off with nothing. So the wind surfer. Yeah, it feels to me when I'm doing it on the winter, it feels super low, but then you see a picture of it and maybe it's cause you're 36 inches off the water when you start or something, but it looks high. Yeah. It definitely a lot lower than what it is. Yeah. Even like your shots, you're going pretty dang. Huh? Yeah. It feels like I'm probably going four feet. Yeah. I think for, it's pretty fun how the foil can work through all the different sports, whether it's surfing or stand up. I think that's how my dad got into the foiling is he was doing standup paddling. And then, you paddle down tile, you get a little ride, his little glide, and then you're done unless you're Zane's weights or something back out in circles and stuff. You can pump out. Yeah. That's like a nice thing that I like about profiling is you can surf the wave in, it helps a lot with footsteps, but you can surf the wave, like you're surfing regularly, but then when you kick out, you don't have to paddle all the way out. You can just pump to the next wave or pumped back out to the lineup. You should see this kid's legs. They're like, look at his muscles. They're like math for 11 year old was down the beach. And, he comes in and he's got six pack, abs muscles ripped off. And you're like, dude, what are you doing? And just winging every day and using those muscles. That's great. So you said Kevin, you're just starting to wing foil. Yeah, I Do it, I did it with when my dad was down there for his birthday and stuff, but it's pretty fun. And the different spots, like in Baja where I was, it was perfect for winging, like a slower fatter wave, so you're get that cruisy feel. And like you said, you don't have to paddle back out, which is nice with the wing. If you're not a super oil back out person, which I'm not, but yeah. And just learning a little bit it's always fun to just different sports and stuff. And, I can go out and back and do tiny jumps, but that's about it. I think, I think having a windsurfing background helps a lot with wing foiling. You know what I mean? Because the wing handling is very similar. You do have to learn how to control the height of the wing. Cause that's, windsurfer it's attached to your board, so you just can cheat in and out. But this is like a three dimensional thing where you have to actually control the direction of the wing too. That's what I was thinking about one time with the wind surfer. If you can have those old wind weapons attached to the board twisted up, I wonder how it'd be fun to get one of those nowadays and see how it works, maybe that, it might just be some different, but it'd be cool to try one or see what it is. And, I was always thinking maybe because that's the hardest part is once you're on a Wade, you need to get rid of the power. If you have to smallest sale, you can barely get on the foil and. I dunno, the wind surfing with the waves is hard on the foil, I think. But again, I just probably need to do it more. And As going to ask you Kayden on your wing, it looks like you have like one of your straps is, or the handles is like a rigid handle in the back. Is that right? Or I don't, let me see if I have a closer video where it shows it's like a boom as the back one. And I feel like that's nice because you can move your hand, like whatever way you want. And it's nice for the three sixties and stuff. Cause sometimes you come down and like you're not in the perfect place. And you need to slide your hand forward, slide it back, but it, so it's just attached with like nylon straps or something though, or it's attached with just fabric that. Yeah. So it still moves around quite a bit. Yeah. I keep thinking it would be nice to have like rigid handles that are just give you really direct control of the wing, where they don't flop around at all. But yeah, that's what I wish think that's what I'm trying to work on right now. It's like making some more rigid handles. Yeah. W gash is actually coming out with they're scrapping the boot. They're making that gloom thing basically, but they're having it on with plastic. They're mounting it on, basically. Yeah. And then they're gonna put up carbon pipe in it and it only gets super rigid. Right now he's PTC wing. It's called it's psych New Zealand company that makes wings. And that's kinda my favorite right now. Do you do the blue planet boards or yeah. We make pho foil boards and Wingfield boards. We've been doing that for quite a while now. And yeah, those are good. Are they made on a wahoo or no we we make prototypes on Oahu. The production is in China. I've been looking into making boards here, but it's just so expensive. Just the overhead and the labor costs and stuff like that. It's and then yeah, regulations and permitting and all that kind of stuff. It's a nightmare. So I haven't made that step, but on Molly, I guess the cannery is a pretty cool place. Cause there's so much innovation coming out of there. Yeah. It's pretty wild. It just, now he seems to breed that in innovation of stuff, different athletes and different, from surfing the wind surfing to stand up paddling and it's wild to, to me, like how kind of wind surfing gets a shuffled under the rug. 90% of all the athletes from the last 20 years have come from wind surfing, layered rush Randall, all these guys, all wind surf, and whether it's their kids or whatnot, it's Alex amazing wind surfer, all and all the brands too are from Windsor thing, and the, and there's a lot of the technology as well. With, I think surfing's has been so stuck in, the polyester construction and thruster tens and whatever they get, it's just not a lot of innovation happening. And then when windsurfing came around, everybody was like trying so many different things and the whole composite construction and making boards later and stronger and all that kind of stuff. That all came from wind surfing not from surfing really. I think too it feels like wind surfers are more techie than surfing maybe. Maybe it's changing a little bit now, and the foil that's half the reason I don't really love the foiling is because for, 25 years, I was just tinkering with wind surfing stuff. And, it was pretty D when you're at the top level, couple of millimeters here and there, it makes a huge difference. So to come and start tinkering with a foil, I don't, it's a lot of work for me. So it's just. It's nice to come and you go out on the dad's stuff, it's all trimmed. Perfect. You just hop on it and go, and it works. And you're not like, oh, this change this. Now you're talking about millimeters and wind surfing. I think on the foil, it's even more, it's like micro millimeters. Yeah. You guys have so much less surface area in the water and like any little change makes the noticeable difference. Like even a half a degree angle in your tailwind can be noticed or whatnot. So it's pretty amazing if you do it any skinnier, it'll make it faster and better. I don't like slower. So do you, so Kayden, do you play around with that? Do you tend to play around with your first setup? Kevin was saying you liked it when you find something that you like, or that works. You just tried to keep the same thing. Now that like foils are getting so new technology and stuff, I've been trying a lot of stuff and I'm liking so much more stuff. And all these new foils that are coming out or Alex will bring him down, like a couple of different foils, like custom wants to try. And it's probably opening his mind a little bit, just to you just gotta try it, so I was learning a lot about Lyft and all that stuff. So it's all the homeschool year was also foil homeschool year. Yeah. Cool. I mean that, that's definitely a pretty high tech stuff that everyone's working on. I interviewed Kandel while too, and he's really into like foil design and computer design. And all that engineering type stuff I've been totaling in with my tow partners, Jason Polk, also another great. And we've been using cane stuff for the toe foiling. Again, Jason and I were just out there just Muppets, just like why can't we do this? Why can't we do this? Cause we, we're okay. Talented people and we'd be sharing it and we'd be like, oh, this doesn't work. We'd move it. Two inches didn't work. And we had Kane come out with one of his foils and we took it out and he's just boom gets it set up. And they're like, oh, there you go. Yeah, hold on. Something, two inches is probably like way too much, right? Yeah. We burned not clean. I got so frustrated with it, cause you're, especially on the toe in with the bigger ways that it's, yeah. The fi I'm not going in huge waves, you're going down that way so fast and it's pretty scary when the cane stuff is really good. Cause he, he's on it and he's, making custom foils up at the cannery up here and he knows what he's doing. So it's pretty nice to have a little bit more stability and for what we're doing, probably the production stuff. Isn't really, there's not many people that are towing with foils, out in Maui stuff. It's kinda cool to have him do some stuff with us. Okay. What something I always like to ask everyone is how much of your skills is like just natural talent that you have, naturally, and how much of it is, practice time on the water training. And I think Katie and I are very opposite in that answer where I for me, I'd take repetition. Like my windsurfing day is I was out there every day, any condition whatsoever, just hammering on it and that was what I think separated or put me into, world title scene is that I was like one of the first guys to my brother and I, and, we had a little group of people and we were the first guys to take it seriously. Like weren't going out partying weren't you know? Oh, it doesn't look good. We're out there every day, any conditions? Cold, stormy, oh, here comes a storm and Mally, which we don't get, oh, we're going to go chain for when we're in Europe. And we're in this miserable conditions we're out there. So we're he starts one thing even as mountain biking, when he was like four years old, he was like doing these huge jumps down the hill and he won't do it for two months and then I'll be better than me. And I'm like how did you do that? You didn't have even written your bike in six months. Yeah. I can think I have read with my team. Yeah. I know we have this cool mountain bike up in McWell forest, then you flow trail down. And I remember taking him up there and just this little tiny kid, just sending all the money. And maybe that's why you enjoyed the ring. Cause you get to jump so high. Yeah. Yeah. But even then with his backflip, you saw on may 60, tried it the first time and then on May 12th, he's landing up and now he's boosting huge stuff, so yeah. So yeah. But maybe you can answer it on Kayden. Like how do you feel? Is it talent or practice? My one talent that helps with everything that I do what's on the water is I would say I have pretty good balance. And that helps me with a lot of stuff. Yeah. I think too, he's got a trampoline, every kid who has a trampoline, it's pretty cool because you can do those backflips and. I remember you had a skateboard with straps on it, so you can visualize what do you think? Oh, cool. Yeah. I always think of balance as not something that you're naturally born with really, but it's something you can practice, right? So if you doing all that, if you're doing sports all the time, that require you to have good balance, your balance is going to naturally get better. And then that helps you with everything you do probably, right? Yeah. It's definitely if I didn't have good balance, I doubt I would be worried I'm down. What about visualization or like doing moves in your head? Do you do that? Do you try to visualize it before you get in the water? For me, I like try them in the water, like just with my weighing and without my board, I would just like visualize. Pulling the wing backwards. And then I did some, I do some flips on my trampoline, like with my hands doing the back flip and that helped me so much. Oh, you know what else I saw him do? It's pretty cool. Is winging with the one wheel that looks like a good thing for beginners on a one wheel for that. You just, but you get the feel of the wing. And then that's interesting. Baltz Mueller was saying the same thing. He was practicing his backflips on the trampoline before he was doing them on the water. Just to figure out the wing. Because that's pretty tricky. Cause you can really kinda get back winded or falling on top of the wing. That's the tricky parts. I bet I didn't take the wing on a trampoline, but I feel like it would definitely help with taking, knowing I'm a trampoline on a bigger trampoline. Cause mine's a lot smaller. It would be a lot easier than doing them with the foil, like straightaway and then landing on top of the way. Like my friend tried them straight away with not really knowing how to do a back flip on the trampoline and then he just couldn't get that flip dialed in. Now he knows how to do it on the trampoline, so he'll be landing. So he learned that, oh, he learned it on the trampoline and then he went. So for you Kayden, like what's a typical day, like for you let's say you're doing when you're homeschooling and just like a typical day for you? Homeschool for me, I would start at nine o'clock. So what time do you get, what time do you wake up? Do you wake up early or do you try to sleep until the last possible moment? Or I wake up at six 30, so I try to wake up early and then I do sometimes I just, I'm super tired and I don't want to get out of bed and I'm just like, okay, I'm going to go back some of the AAA to get my blood flowing. Then I go do that. And then I have breakfast. And then I sit and do stuff until nine o'clock and then from nine o'clock to 12 o'clock I do my homeschool. And then from my grandpa comes and picks me up at 1230. And then we go to an wing to like four. Then I come back here and clean all my stuff and put it where it goes and then same thing the next day. But if there's no wind, then I would probably wake up at six and then go prone for a Lang before school conditions are usually better early in the morning, Molly, where the wind kicks in. What about your typical day Kevin? What is your day look like? Pretty similar, except for, without the schooling. Homeschool. Usually I do a little computer work and see what's happening for the day. Check the conditions if it's, yeah. You have a morning routine. Like when you get up, do you do like exercises? Do you have coffee? Like I exercise my scrolling through the Instagram, wake up and get right on your phone and just look at Instagram. Yeah, I kinda recently I've been looking for a sailboat. That's been my like focus. I wanna, that's why I was on a wahoo. I was over there checking out boats. I got a slip down at my Elias. I need to get a boat in there. And I I have a van over on the mainland, the sprinter van, and a lot of exploring. That's like when I like go into Baja so much. Now my dream is to have that sprinter van in the water in a sailboat and kind of checked out the islands, be able to go over to a wahoo and, hopefully get these guys into exploring a little bit more, go over there and be able to, wing and kinda do fun stuff off the boat. So that's been my focus recently. All right. That's cool. So is this going to be for as a hobby recreationally? Are you also planning to do like charters and stuff like that? Or is it more time? Just the house it's hard right now. Cause for me. Maybe, but it seems like everybody on Maui is making money doing like Turo or this and that. And then I'm just like, I'm just cruising and I'm like, no, maybe I should do that. That's great. If you can, if you don't need to make money, that's good. To make money. Yeah. Good. So where do you see the future of the sport going? What for wing fighting? And what are your goals like? What do you hope to do in wink filings, Kayden? I'm hoping to learn how to do a front flip before I'm 12. So when are you turning? 12? August 17th. Okay. Yeah. That's enough time she learned to back slip in one month. So the other day I was down there's this guy dictionary, have you heard of that book? Yeah, he's doing a wing book. And so I went down to take pictures of of Jeffery and doing that forward thing and Finn and holy smokes. I'll be impressed to see you do that. Cause like we're like you guys were talking about with the the stall when he's doing the spins and stuff, like he goes up and, just goes up and then he kicks it out too and then throws it forward and was just like, whoa, like scary. Yeah. But I think it does look similar to doing forwards on the windsurfer. It's like you're throwing yourself sideways more than forward. But yeah. Are other people besides Jeffrey and them doing the forwards or yeah. Tetouan is doing it. I was talking to him about that. That was asking him for pointers and he's I don't have any pointers. I'm just trying to figure it out myself. I don't know yet on your podcast. Yeah, I interviewed him. I haven't published it yet, so that'll be all probably before your guys, this one goal post. So I always, it takes me a while to edit the footage after I do it all. So yeah, I enjoy interviewing more than the editing process, but cool. So what about D do you think you can Kayden that you're going to do this, as a job that professionally, like making money with wing funding or is it just going to be fun for you? Or what do you think? I have no idea what it's going to be. It's either I. I don't know. Do you think you're going to try to do any of those events like the world? What is it called? The world furthering tour or whatever they having those world championship events. Yeah. I want to do one here first and see, cause I think they're going to do one over here soon, or I don't know, but they're supposed to be one this summer for something, but I don't know if it got canceled or whatever, but I want to see how I do and one over here. I get really good. Then maybe I'll start doing this. I don't know. Isn't there like a full contest on Maui this last weekend? I thought there was like, I donated some prizes for full contest to be here. I heard about it in behind it. And it was just a standard era. Did it prone and stand up. And the second day it was supposed to be wind foiling. I dunno, you didn't okay. You should have done that. But the level over here, there's quite a few kids that are really ripping, like some of his friends, you're just like so that will be a good if there's a contest here, it will be pretty high level. Yeah, no doubt. I'm always, definitely the epicenter of the progression. So it's pretty wild him grow up here. Like we grew up on this tiny lake in the middle of California. I always say to my brother, I'm like, man, just imagine if we had this set up we're kids, we were done with it when it turned out to be pretty good. I think, I think one of the, what you guys had was that sibling rivalry, right? So like brothers, two brothers, you guys trying to do each other. So you always pushing each other. And I think that's also very valuable, I think, in sports, right? Yeah, for sure. That was like a hundred percent. That's for sure we were. We were best friends. We trained together, we lived together, we pushed each other, when we were young, he'd do a move and then I'd be like, oh, I can do that. And then he'd be like, oh, I can't let my little brother do it so better than me. So he'd push it. And now one cool story we had was when you were, he was 16, he just got his driver's license and I was 13 and 14 and my parents let us to take our van. My dad's. We had a Windsor fan. It, let us take it from Southern California, drive all the way up to the Gorge, just the two of us and spend a month up in hood river, just wind surfing and having fun. And I'm like, I couldn't imagine sending him. You're going to be like that. He has a younger brother too, obviously, so well, but he's right. Maybe when you can drive it, you can do stuff like that. Yeah. But still, that was like one of the best summers ever. So it's pretty wild that looking back like that my parents let a 16 year old and 13 year old drives, what is it? Thousand miles by themselves. And it's pretty fun. But we had, we learned a lot and we had a lot of fun. Is your, is Matt older than you? Or younger? Older? Yeah. Oh, so you were not even 16 yet. You were like 14 or 15 or how old are you? I was like, that's cool. And then you were friends around that, her old, like all our lives. We've been around older people, because windsurfers are old, but like our best friends were our parents growing up because they wanted to win. Sir, my parents are super young there. My dad just turned 70, I think. He was when we were 15, he, he was only 35 or whatever. I miss doing the mapping now, but, so he was super young and we wanted to go wind surfing. And so we were like, we want on the weekends at school, we'd rather hang out with my parents, then go party or whatever. It's pretty cool. Okay. I have a question for both of you guys. So for me personally, and I know this happens a lot of people, like some days you're on the water and everything's just like every you're totally in tune with your gear and the conditions and everything's working, you can pull off all kinds of moves and you're just in the zone. And then the next day, sometimes you'll go out in the same kind of conditions with the same kind of gear, but like everything, you're just like a kook and you keep falling in and nothing's really working. So how, and it seems like it's not necessarily like the conditions or the equipment. It's more like your state of mind. So is there any, anything that you do to get into that state of mind, or do you have any pointers on how to avoid being that kook, or changing your mindset from being a cook, to being in the zone? For me, I feel like I try to always be in the zone because every time that I'm feeling like I don't want to, I'm just not in the mood or I don't really want to go I'm super tired. Then I would just I wouldn't try any crazy tricks or whatever, or I would just not go winging that day. But the times that I do go in and I'm just not in that state of mind, I just I don't know. I land one move that's hard to do. And then I get fired up and I'm like, okay, now I'm good. Again, like that's I feel so sometimes you get into the zone while you're doing it. Like kind of thing, but yeah. And what about you, Kevin? Sometimes when you, that, that makes sense that not just don't go out when you're not, when you're not feeling it, but like sometimes if you're competing you don't have that choice. Like you're up and you got to go and is there a way you can switch from, how do you switch on that, getting into, I dunno, I wonder if that's like something I think that was one of my strong points competing is as I was like, never really the best guy, but I was always just there, and just keeping that mentality of just being steady and, going, performing at a level all the time. That's high and. There's those certain moments where you're in the zone, for sure. You always talk about it, you hear about it. And then, in your there's certain moments where throughout my career, where I was like, oh, man is what was he in conscious almost, I was just going through it. And that's hard to, it's hard to get into that, but, just happens, but I think just the more you train, the more confident you be, you are. And so I think that kinda just, for me, it was always the training and just going out there all conditions and always pushing yourself. I think Caden's a little more smart, smarter than I am he like when he's not feeling it, it just doesn't go well, I've always pushed through, don't be a whiner. Just go. Yeah, that makes sense. I know some people are, it seems like some people are actually better when they're competing. Like they get, they like, it pushes them to perform even at a higher level. Would you say you're like that, like we're when you're competing, you're actually better than when you're just practicing. I would say so. Yeah, for sure. For me, I was like, yeah, like I said, never really the like wildest one out there, but then when it came to game time, I would would be able to, land all my moves and my strategy was just do the moves that you can make. And, let the other people fall by the wayside. A lot of times these, I go up against these kids and they just be, sending it huge, which is cool, but then they would land it. And then I just do my little job and advanced a lot of times. Okay. So like a little bit playing it safe and doing the things, you can do and not trying to do crazy stuff that you don't really have mastered. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That makes sense. Okay. Kayden, would you say you're obsessed with foiling or is it just a hobby for you or would you say that obsessed and addicted to it or not really? I'm definitely obsessed with, yeah. So what is it about foiling that makes it so addicted. It just feels like you're flying basically. And that's like with surfing, it's really hard to get into the air, but, and when you do get an air, you're only in the air for a second, but, and then it was winging. It's just like when ever you're up on foil, it feels like you're flying. And then when you're in the air, you're also flying. So it's like, all right, I'm up on the foil? Probably I'm like in the air on foil, probably like 98% of the time. And then surfing I'm in the air, like 0.5% of the time. Yeah. What about prone foiling though? Even that you're on the foil a lot less than when you're winging for it. Yeah, but I love riding waves, like in any sport that has wave riding in it. I want to try it. And it's prone flailing. I'm starting to like that more than like when you're in perfect conditions. I like it more than surfing in perfect conditions. Because you have that glass, you smooth water, those perfect long wave rides. And you can like, when you're really good, like Kailani and Zane and all those people, you're up on the foil, like 50% of the time pumping around, and that's what I want to get to that level. I can pump out and touch like 15 waves before I get tired, but I get tired after five. So yeah, pumping back out is takes a lot of energy. I can't even imagine 15 ways, maybe two ways. That's pretty much it for me. That's awesome. So other hobbies and cross training and stuff, I guess you do mountain biking. Anything else you guys do for like when it's not, when you're not in the water, I guess not in the water. I have a one wheel and that helps with my balance and with the wing sometimes. Go and practice my tricks. And it's like a lot harder when you're on land than when you're in the water on the wing. So it definitely helps me like, get the moves dialed. And then I tried to go on the biggest wing that I can be on when I'm on land so that I can practice doing the bigger way. And then once I get like good at that, then with smaller wings, like it makes it so much easier because you feel like you can, you're spin super fast. And then that's like my biggest, my favorite thing to do on land is probably one wheeling and trampoline. All right. It's a question for both of you guys. So during the pandemic, a lot of people felt isolated and the kinda lonely or depressed whatever anxious being at home, being stuck at home. And I know for us, it's always easier to be like, ah, just go in the water and have fun and everything's fine, but let's say you, you're stuck inside and you can't go on the water or you can't go outside. What do you do to if you have an off day or if you're not feeling great, like what do you do to lift your spirits or to stay positive? On those days where it's like horrible for any sport and you just don't want to move or whatever. I usually like. Watch some winging videos of like new moves that I want to try. And then I like stop them and watch them over and over again. I see how they do it and then I want to do it like that. And then sometimes I play like board games, like monopoly. I love monopoly. It's it's fun. Thank you, Kevin. I guess a little computer time would probably be, I don't have, I don't have TV in my house, so not really a big TV watcher, but yeah, I dunno. We're so we've, it's bad to say, but for us on Maui, it's been just like the, I dunno, the best year ever having COVID, it was. So much fun, like all of the spots that normally are actually now it's back to normal, but like we'd go to twin falls, which is this little waterfall and you go there now there's like parking directors, like telling you where to park it's fault, blah, blah, blah. During COVID you'd just go out there. There's insane waterfall and be like two people, one person. And for me it was like probably the, it was the best year I've ever had on my, after 30 years. So you got to, I stayed here during the summertime where normally I go to hood river, to around in my band and explore. I stayed here on Maui and it's forced me to explore my backyard and there's so many cool spots out there, like just hidden spots, different spots. And I would take my E I'm an E biker. I love biking and I would just ride every day. I went out there so many times I can't even count. And I would just ride my bike and explore and explore and go to different waterfalls and different things. And so for me, the COVID was just. Unbelievable is awesome. I totally agree. Yeah. The thing about like that, the thing that I missed about traveling really was the adventure of seeing new things or exploring and things, but you really don't have to go that far to explore it and you can, yeah, you can go some, just go on a trail that you've never been on and it's oh wow, this is cool. So you can have an adventure without getting on a plane and sitting on a plane for 12 hours or whatever, you don't really have to go that far. And you're on a Waldo to like some, when like you would drive during rush hour and there's no cars on the freeways. Like what's going on there. I love this, get somewhere in 10 minutes that would take 45 minutes on a normal day. And also, I think it kinda like over here too, a lot of people are like, do, why do we really need 30,000 people arriving every day? Maybe $10 or enough, but I guess our economy is pretty dependent on tourism, but it sure is nice to have a little bit less traffic and less people everywhere and stuff like that. For sure. Here, I always said it's like the whole world was playing musical chairs of w where to go. And we won the game, like being in Hawaii is like, we're one that is pretty safe, I would say. And for two is the best place in the world to be this last year. As far as everybody's pretty healthy. And we were, I would say the rules were very relaxed compared to my friends in Europe, so it was pretty, pretty awesome spot to hunker down and and enjoy what the islands have to offer. Cool. So Caden, if somebody asks you what foiling is like, and they've never foiled, like how do you explain that sensation of flying a foil? Why would you say it's like the fly you're going to fly though? What if somebody does not to fly? Like just, it feels like once you get up on the foil, it's like the first time that you get up on the foil whinging, it's there's nothing else. Like it. Cause it's you the wing board and the toilet, and you're just floating across the water. It feels but those are the really good days for doing it in those flat water and not super strong ones. So what's it like when the wind is super strong, then it's a little bit more hectic, some nights for me, it's like I'm holding on for dear life, but then, it definitely balances out because there's spots on Maori where you can go, like when there's really light wind, there usually there's usually enough wind to get up on foil in Maui, like every day. Yeah. That's crazy. You lucky for sure. So who else should I interview on this? On the blue planet show about wing filing? Who do you think I should talk to? Alex started like the whole surf foiling thing. So I think that would be cool. Cause I just read this interview thing that someone typed out on a website and it was really cool to learn about all that stuff. So yeah. Yeah. I already Alex actually to be on the show, but he's been busy. So he said when he has some time, you'll let me know. Maybe you can tell him that he should get on the show. Anyone else you'd recommend talking to? What about Annie? Have you had her on there? I had any record on there right yet on the show. I'm trying to, obviously I'm trying to get Jeffrey Spencer Kailani. I don't know. Been able to get them on the show. They're busy, but I had seen Zane Schweitzer at Allen kid is mark Rapa horse. A bunch of people from Mali. There's a couple of cool guys on, on the mainland. Like Brian , he's one of the, he's a good winger and, pioneered a lot of stuff in California with the wind surfing. And now he's doing winging and he's into photography and video and he made all those used Houston make like side off video with doing all the, how tos and stuff like that. And then he switched to kiting and now he's in the wings. Okay, okay. Off slide on video. You can find them through that somehow. Okay, cool. All right. So yeah, that was awesome. So what are you goals with with your YouTube channel? Kevin? Just for fun. This kid loves that. I said D LA he's it's not called a B log. And I'm like, yeah, I knew that. I knew that, but I kinda like the logs better than blog anyways. So yeah. He's yep. I'm doing my new V log out here, guys in Mexico. But I think, I've been on YouTube for like over 10 years or, time. And it's I think the main thing is just being consistent, like posting on a regular basis, like maybe once a week or even once a month or whatever, but just always coming out with new stuff and not, that's the key, I think just then people start following you and once you have subscribers and your videos get more views right away, and then that's how you build limit 10, but it takes years mean really it's hard for me cause I just see on Maui, it's just the same thing, for years and years, but that's where it cool. The log is, you can show your personality and different stuff and it's not just like this beautiful imagery, I'm I've been in the making videos for awhile and stuff. So I get if I don't do it like to perfection, a lot of times like a nice, like I love John's stuff. 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EP227 - Amazon Dash Cart and Other News Jason recent events: Publicis LinkedIn Livestream: Trends & Insights Live “The New Reality of Retail” RetailTouchpoints: Retail Strategy 2.0: Separating Urgent From Important Brick and Mortar Reborn Rob Gonzalez, Peter Crosby, and the Digital Shelf Institute/Salsify “Creative Commerce in the time of covid” Jason Upcoming Events NRF NXT Tuesday, July 21 11:45am–12:30pm EDT “Future of Platforms” CommerceNext July 29th 4:10 pm EE “Lesson Learned and Thoughts for the Future” The Great Debate Are we in a long-lasting, deep recession, or is at an artificial recession will quickly bounce back from? What should retailers and brands be planning for. Jason and Scot has it out. Who will be right? Amazon News Amazon Dash Cart Echo Frames are frames are shipping Q4 restrictions on 3pl warehouses Prime day in October Employee Health Clinics Amazon becomes worlds largest advertiser spending $11B a year Earning results next week Other News US Census Bureau Data for June is out. US Real Retail sales were up 5.8% in June, (down from 17.7% in May) but representing a 2nd month of retail recovery. Total retail sales back above Feb levels. (Numbers adj for inflation and including auto). E-commerce up 23% YoY. Nike leaves Google Shopping Google shopping fast shipping tags Nike RISE new store concept in Guangzhou, China Walmart and Amazon healthcare battle Walmart+ coming soon? Is digital grocery profitable? Don’t forget to like our facebook page, and if you enjoyed this episode please write us a review on itunes. Episode 227 of the Jason & Scot show was recorded live on Friday, July 17th, 2020. http://jasonandscot.com Join your hosts Jason "Retailgeek" Goldberg, Chief Commerce Strategy Officer at Publicis, and Scot Wingo, CEO of GetSpiffy and Co-Founder of ChannelAdvisor as they discuss the latest news and trends in the world of e-commerce and digital shopper marketing. Transcript Jason: [0:24] Welcome to the Jason and Scott show this is episode 227 being recorded on Thursday July 16th 2020 I’m your host Jason retailgeek Goldberg and as usual I’m here with your co-host Scot Wingo. Scot: [0:39] Hey Jason and welcome back Jason Scott show listeners, Jason as you know the last three episodes we’ve had a what I would call a blue-chip roster of guests on the show and we want to take a little breather and catch up listeners on all the retail news going on first of all Jason I think we have to address this super awkward elephant in the room a lot of listeners have pointed out to me and I’ve seen it on Twitter that you have been presentation and pot cheating on me so go ahead and tell listeners all these other things you have going on. Jason: [1:13] I do plead guilty I feel like I’m vast as per usual in vastly Overexposed I’m gonna. Preempt your question with two other quick points I just wanted to throw out number one. I’m thrilled to be here alone with you we’ve we’ve had these like three great shows in a row with great guest that I super enjoyed but the bumper of that is I don’t get to just make fun of your wrong positions and things because it wasn’t just the two of us so. Scot: [1:43] Yeah we’re going to definitely carve out some time for that on the show so it’ll be fun. Jason: [1:46] Yeah so I’m thrilled to have some alone time with you Scott and I it’s come to my attention that there’s a few listeners that don’t listen to every episode, all the way to the end of the episode and so for those of you that don’t and I don’t forgive you for that. At the end of every episode there’s two very important things we make a plea for you to go onto iTunes, and leave us a 5-star review so for those of you that get so much value from the front half that you don’t listen to the back half I’m throwing it in now, after tonight’s episode you need to get yourself onto iTunes and leave us that five star review you owe it to us by this point I feel like we’ve earned it. And number two I have a witty catch phrase that I could include every episode with and I’m not going to tell you what it is so you. You’ll know what you’re missing. Scot: [2:39] I don’t know if I’ve ever heard of either I’m usually you usually put me to sleep by the time I get there it is an hour later I’m sorry. Jason: [2:44] Yeah yeah yeah it’s okay yeah no I’m grateful that you’ve never listened to a show after we published it because you wouldn’t realize how much of you is edit out of the show. Scot: [2:53] That’s totally true I hate listening to myself so then I could actually listen in now. Jason: [3:00] Oh my God yeah that could be a whole another show but I have all these horrible verbal crutches and it’s it’s crushing to hear me saying over and over again on the show and you don’t do that for the record. Scot: [3:12] Well sometimes I miss us going to trade shows together and so I play our podcast at half speed and I get to have drunk Jason it’s like being at a trade show. Jason: [3:19] Nice some. Scot: [3:21] Play Jason if I play Jason after three Starbucks I put you on 3x. Jason: [3:25] I like it I like. But so yes you have correctly busted me I’ve been I’ve done a bunch of stuff including cheating on you on some podcasts. So last week my company publish a pretty cool livestream on LinkedIn they called Trends and insights alive. And there’s sort of a beta tester of of live casting on LinkedIn. So they’ve done Eight Episodes this season that eighth is the final episode in the season and so you know that’s when they wanted to roll out the really big guns so the 8th episode was all about retail so we call the new reality of retail and, two of my colleagues and I got to chat about some of the big. Big evolutions and Retail that we’re seeing so you can watch a video of that on LinkedIn and I’ll put a link in the show notes. Scot: [4:20] Since nobody knows LinkedIn has this I’m sure there is a huge audience. Jason: [4:23] Yeah well it shows up in your activity feed so it’s like you you’ve. It’s a pretty big beta so not just anyone can stream yet although you’ll be glad to know that the Jason and Scot show has been pre-approved. For streaming on LinkedIn so if you want to do a show we could do it yeah we have clout with LinkedIn. Scot: [4:46] Influencers. Jason: [4:47] There’s also a retail publication out there that a lot of our listeners are probably familiar with called retail touchpoints and they do sort of video podcast Series so I sat down with them and did a, interview that they entitle the separating urgent from important because I think that was one of my topics that we talked about in the show so I’ll put a, LinkedIn to put a link to that in the show notes there is a podcast, specifically focused on the evolution of brick and mortar retail which I know you would you would have some strong thoughts about called brick-and-mortar reborn so I got to do an interview on that podcast. Scot: [5:28] Or alternatively the path to chapter 11. Jason: [5:31] Exactly maybe not but okay and then there’s a SAS Pim product out there called salsify in the the content team and the and one of the founders of salsify started a cool. Podcast about the digital shelf that’s in fact called the digital Shelf. And so I sat down with Rob Gonzalez who’s the one of the founders of salsify and Peter Crosby who’s the chief Storyteller there and we had a good. Good conversation for an hour so in the extraordinarily unlikely event that people don’t get enough of me on this podcast there’s like four more hours of me from the last two weeks you can get and. That’s not all if you want the freshest stuff I have like three things coming up next week too so. [6:22] Yeah so on start Monday Tuesday and Wednesday of next week is in RF next which is sort of the, the spiritual successor to to the shop dot-org trade show so normally this would have been a, in-person event in Las Vegas this year it’s going to be a virtual event it’s two days a bunch of great speakers and I’m doing a presentation on Tuesday the 21st, right around lunchtime 11:45 Eastern Time called the future platforms and I’ll be talking about sort of the evolution of e-commerce platforms and. What people should be looking for and what what pitfalls that they might make in choosing choosing a platform so that’s a topic I used to talk about all the time and I haven’t talked about in a while so I had to do a pretty. Pretty significant update of my appeal for that. Scot: [7:12] I would avoid going all in on Elliot just BTW. Jason: [7:15] Yeah yeah I debated whether to bring it up at all. And for westerners that are following closely Elliot’s that eCommerce platform whose one of their Founders was on this show and they imploded this month and I’m not clear whether. They just like weren’t able to ship and bring it over the finish line and kind of folded or whether it was. More significantly vaporware and was never close to the finish line but I don’t know if we’ll ever know. Scot: [7:44] There was an article that I tweeted that made it feel more of a prairie. Jason: [7:49] That seems entirely viable to me unfortunately and so then the week after that another former guest of the show Scott Silverman who was one of the founders of shop dot-org has his own. Event series that is also going virtual this year called Commerce next and so I’ll be giving a the the closing keynote on July 29th at 4:10 p.m. Eastern Time called Lessons Learned and thoughts from the future. So that will be cool and then in the event that you’re interested in my opinions but you can’t stand my voice well which you would not be alone I do have a column in Forbes and I have a new article I just put the finishing touches on and I think I’m gonna, publish that on Forbes over the weekend and that is called that retails great. From traffic to to revenue per customer kind of talking about how all retailers are having to make this big shift from. Trying to get as many people as possible in the store to having fewer people in the store and having to make more money on each one. Scot: [8:55] Nice Thanksgiving us all exclusive preview of that. Jason: [8:59] Exactly so I appreciate it if folks folks to take the time to read that and give me your feedback so that’s all my stuff I’m exhausted already is the show over. Scot: [9:09] So I guess if people listen to this save it for next week you could have a week of Jason essentially if I’m doing the math right you could read the article on that off day yeah got a week of Jason coming up. Jason: [9:20] Yeah yeah or you could just binge all 227 shows of the Jason and Scot show. Scot: [9:29] You do the math in a presentation what is it like 3 weeks or something if you didn’t go back to him. Jason: [9:36] It’s longer than any yeah I think that like if there was a remake of Abu ghraib we might feature prominently. Scot: [9:42] When you do that in audience ever looks at each other like to see really think we’re going to do that it’s hilarious in a office kind of a. [9:52] Cool my kids would say cringy, all right so before we jump into the news another piece of listener feedback that we’ve gotten is folks have really enjoyed hearing kind of our opposite views of the economy so in our covid show you and I had a little friendly Spar I guess I would say about you know what we think is going to go on so we’ve gotten a lot of there’s kind of a team Jason team Scott thing forming they’re obviously the team, Scot crew is huge than team Jason is a couple lonely Souls but in my experience when you have these kind of different opinions one of the best ways to kind of settle it is to make some predictions you and I do that on our annual prediction show which is kind of more about you know e-commerce Trends and things of that nature but I thought at the top of the show would be good for here for us to kind of like update our positions and then make a little bit of a prediction one of the one of the key differentiators where everyone’s disagreeing right now and I think you and I fall into different camps here too so this is probably a good framework is the shape of the recovery so so the options are V which would be you know we’ve kind of come down and we’ll come right back up as quickly as we went down so that V shape you which would be like a delayed recovery so you know call it Q3 kind of middle to late next year we do come back but it’s. [11:14] Takes over a year to get there then there’s the L some people call it a swish that’s kind of a super slow recovery so more like 20 22 before the economy’s kind of cooking and then there’s the dreaded W which is the we have a V and then we get into the fall, the virus surges and then we have to go back into the bottom of the V again which then you know and then you come back out so that forms that w and then you have seen some other shapes out there but those are the main ones so so. A do you agree with that Framing and then be why don’t you go first and give us our view if you agree. Jason: [11:53] Sure yeah so I feel like there’s some room for variance in in some of those descriptions but yeah those like those are certainly all all, versions of a recovery that have been hypothesized and and, my own opinion is that it is going to be a check mark shaped recovery which would be the Swoosh but maybe not quite as slow as you described so I think we are still going to be significantly impacted economically and likely health-wise by covid for all of 20 21 and so. You know I think holiday 2021 will be better than holiday 2020 which I’m not expecting to be very good but I don’t think we’re going to get back to true pre-pandemic well levels until 2022 so, so maybe it doesn’t take all the way till Q4 of 2022 I think January of 2022 might be on parity with January of 2019 so we may lose two years here. That is kind of my stick and I’m I like to call that the realistic position and then I think you we’ve given the the delusional position to so why don’t you tell us what that is. Scot: [13:14] This is why predictions matter so will some one of us will be right and it will at least be able to they’ll they’ll have they’ll be goalposts Elise so I I’m increasingly so I’ve fought for a while and I’m increasingly seeing that we’re in a v-shaped recovery so so first of all unemployment is interesting I think unemployment’s. Misleading because so so you made a point earlier about you know this is the worst economic. Depression since World War II which if you use the correct definition of depressant you’re right. But there’s you know those were not caused by a pandemic so those were caused by other you know. Economic impacts the government essentially cause this one is a reaction to the pandemic so, so it’s very unusual from anything else you can’t use those past things, this is my theory and prediction you can’t use those past like 2008-2009 which did have these very slow recoveries as a comp so I think it’s a v-shaped recovery the data I look at is first of all my favorite data point is consumer confidence. [14:29] And consumer confidence is actually right around a hundred which is pretty good you know I think people would say it’s kind of neutral it’s not super negative not super positive when it goes way over a hundred people are like super positive and then when it goes under a hundred if you look at 2008 at the bottom of the Great Recession it was like 20 I think it touched like 25 or somewhere in there and that was like one of the lowest ones I’ve recorded so so you have this anomaly where, GDP is low unemployment’s High yet people feel pretty good and what’s causing that is the fed and the government just pumping tons of money into the economy the unemployment thing is actually huge problem because in I’m sure you’ve heard this from retailers it’s actually impossible to hire anyone right now because they’re making so much on unemployment so once that once that goes away in July or is diminished we have to kind of see where the government lands on that but I think they’ll be something there I think you’re going to see employment come roaring back because essentially people will have an incentive to go back to work so so that’s going to, that’s going to solve a lot of things there and then the other data that’s really interesting and someone had kind of tweeted This Is Us retail sales is a perfect V we’re like literally already back to the pre covid levels now you could say well. [15:49] Yeah we don’t know if it’s going to be W or not that’s where time will tell that’s another one there’s also these really weird data points coming out where consumer savings are at one of the highest rates they’ve ever been so people are saving a ton of money that’s because they’re not traveling as much their they did they delayed their vacations and these kinds of things you know it’s not all that being said I do think, macro we’re gonna have the V shape but there are going to be some segments to get left behind I think the ones are going to be hit the hardest are Airlines you know so, people are not really traveling by are nearly as much as they used to it’s come back some so if you look at the TSA data we’re at about 750,000 Travelers a day, a year ago it was two, eight million so we’ve lost two million Travelers a day so the airline industry is going to have a huge challenge oddly enough it looks like the cruise industry is going to come back before their line I don’t understand that personally but, there you go. And then you know the other thing is I work with a lot of startups and there’s a fairly large percentage of companies that are not going to go back into office space for a long time and. [16:52] That part is going to be delayed so those Industries will be hurt but I think we’re going to see other parts of the economy pick that up and we’ll still have that V I also am bullish and I know you strongly disagree with us that there’s going to be a vaccine so I think we got two good candidates in moderna and Oxford and I get all my medical news from CNBC so don’t take any advice for me but this is this is my again I’m making predictions to try to, see where we land on this and I do think this project Manhattan thing is interesting and you know there’s all these arguments that say well we’re going to need three billion vaccines I don’t think that’s right I think if you go and vaccinate there’s a clear, there’s a clear set of people that have a much higher impact from this virus so if you start at the 85 and older the people that are immunocompromised and have existing conditions that’s a significantly smaller number you’ve protected a really big part of the population that buys you time to go do the other ones you also have herd immunity kind of meeting in the middle so I think there’s probably, and the US are 20 million thing over three or four months that get you there so so I’m very bullish and all that and so my prediction just kind of summarize all that is it’s going to be a V shape and you know definitely by q1 of 20, one we will be at the kind of back where we were and I think it may be as fast as Q4 so. Jason: [18:18] Wow Q4 of 2020. Scot: [18:19] Yeah. Jason: [18:20] Okay I write so let the record show I hope to God that I’m wildly wrong in your wild rewrite like I’m certainly rooting for you. Like a couple of things that caused me to have some concern like first of all you have a hypothesis which is perfectly reasonable but I don’t agree with that it’s a government caused recession so I for sure, we took actions that that. Substantially contributed to a recession and potentially triggered the recession in the US but there’s but worldwide there’s a bunch of countries that didn’t take any of those actions and they’re still in a recession right so sweet and in shutdown people aren’t spending in Sweden in a bunch of people are unemployed Taiwan didn’t shut down people aren’t spending their right so, there’s some evidence that even if there had been like you could debate whether the government action was helpful or not helpful and, and if there could have been better government action almost certainly there could have been but if there were no action. [19:25] The my hypothesis based on all the international evidence is we would still be in a recession. It could be worse could be better the truth is we’ll never know. I would also say I actually think there’s a very good chance we’ll have a vaccine I mostly agree with you it’s it’s possible we won’t like as much as we all want to be optimistic and we’re we’re. Making the most prompt medical progress in the history of humankind to potentially create this vaccine it was described to me once that like making a vaccine is very hard it’s like. Scoring a goal in hockey from half half ice but the good news is we have more Wayne Gretzky’s on the ice taking shots right now than ever before right so. I think it’s totally possible we make a vaccine most vaccines have. [20:20] Problems with limited efficacy. Aren’t effective in everyone that takes it vulnerable populations often are the ones that are least likely to be able to take it it does, it is difficult to distribute a vaccine there’s a bunch of people in the US that just don’t believe in vaccines and aren’t going to take it, even if we do have one and so for all of those reasons even if the science goes perfectly and we have a decent vaccine in q1. I just don’t think you have enough immunity to turn the economy around and toll Q4 and that means you won’t start seeing the economic results of that turn around and talk q1 2022 which is where my. My estimate sort of comes from and again I desperately want to be wrong I hope you’re right but that’s my my concern. Scot: [21:14] Well we’ve got our stakes in the ground on there’s a good year in there too. Jason: [21:18] Other depressing news on this point from this week just to throw out there is all the banks had their earnings call this this week and the common theme from all of them is they’re all reserving tens of billions of dollars because they. Massive default on all of their. Their loans and mortgage properties right like that the you you hit the hammer the nail on the head it’s the weirdest recession ever because there’s this. Very high unemployment and very high savings rate like because per your point like all this stimulus money and stuff caught and and bolstering unemployment benefits, caused everyone to like the average American had a huge cash influx. At the same time they weren’t working so that’s a weird weird dichotomy but all those benefits are scheduled to end in. Couple of weeks there was a more people than ever that miss their rent payment this month there’s a even higher cohort of people that say they don’t know how they’re going to pay next month’s rent and then all these benefits are going to, expire so there’s a chance for. All sorts of cascading negative Financial events to happen and it feels like all these earnings calls from the banks are kind of a foreshadowing that they think it’s going to happen for whatever it’s worth. Scot: [22:39] Yeah it’s really weird because I heard someone say that it’s like having two different movies playing on one screen because then like car sales are up. Jason: [22:47] Yeah so you know it’s funny about that like you mentioned like oh retail sales are kind of back like the V is there. That’s a hundred percent true if you include Auto Sales like are are, what month did we get the reporting came out for June today so so the June retail numbers with Auto in there, the June total sales number is higher than the February total sales number so complete recovery but if you take Auto out of that like we’re still definitely trending in the right direction but we are still below are like February level. So it’s weird like cars are disproportionately affecting that I’ve heard one hypothesis is because. Air travel is so curtailed a lot more people are taking, are using their cars more I’ve heard Harley-Davidson as having a huge Resurgence people are buying motorcycles and going on on, driving vacations instead of flying vacations, you would know more about this than me but I have heard that as all the rental car companies declare bankruptcy and and sell off their their fleets that that’s going to put a damper on the auto sales as there’s going to be a, full out of inventory. Scot: [24:01] The other kind of treating them internally so we’ll see I don’t know how much of this so-so. I would say real car usage is. Going crazy right now which is odd because it’s usually tied to air travel but they become disconnected because people are saying I don’t want to travel on airplanes therefore I will drive from Chicago to Detroit and I you would normally fly that so and then they kind of say well I don’t want to put those what does that 3,000 miles on my car I’ll bring the car and do it that way, yeah so it It’s tricky to read and that’s what makes the prediction that much more fun we’ll see. Jason: [24:39] And before we jump into other e-commerce news several listeners have asked over the last week there’s been a lot of get spiffy news and I’m wondering if you can just share a quick update on on some of that for our listeners. Scot: [24:52] Yeah yeah I guess the biggest new so we are we’re experiencing this V which is what I think probably influences think so we definitely had a huge dip in demand largely from fleets and then obviously office Parks have been hit that hasn’t come back but the fleet stuffs come back pretty dramatically consumers have come back so it’s actually been pretty tough hiring so we’re hiring technicians at a pretty good pace and then one of the biggest inbound requests we get is for people that want a franchise so we’ve kind of carved out the 50 what I would call Amazon Prime cities as you know and. [25:28] Love Amazon and there in about 50 cities with Prime and those tend to be the cities we want to Target as well I figure Amazon has a pretty good idea where those Prime households are so but then we get tons of requests from smaller cities like Wilmington North Carolina a will see Memphis Tennessee that are will probably not be able to get to you for years because we’re in 17 of these 50 that we’re focused on so we’ve decided to open up those kind of next to your market so three hundred thousand eight hundred thousand people in the Metro areas to franchising so we were able to announce that, feels like last week yeah last week and that has had a really good response so that’s been fun you know at Channel visor one of the things I loved every day was I got to work with thousands of entrepreneurs some of them were intrapreneurs they were like you know early digital people in the side of Nike like we’re leading the charge but then at the same time you would deal with these entrepreneurs like rock-bottom Golf and these crazy brothers that were selling golf stuff and so there’s a lot of fun so I’m looking forward to look at working with a bunch of other entrepreneurs in that capacity. Jason: [26:38] Yeah that’s awesome I just take it as a good sign because I’m thinking about all of the those that cumulative carwash and capacity and I’m doing the math on how much crystal meth you must be selling to need to launder that much money so that. Seems really encouraging. Scot: [26:55] Yeah I get this a lot as a car wash guy the reference it for those who don’t know is the TV Show Breaking Bad the guy by his car washes to essentially you know clean his cash so. Jason: [27:09] Literally and figuratively yeah. Scot: [27:10] Yeah we do not for fully of total transparency we do not do that. Jason: [27:18] Or so you say okay. Scot: [27:19] Cool well it would not be a Jason Scott show with Al. Jason: [27:26] Amazon news new your margin is their opportunity. Scot: [27:39] Yes this was a weird one and I want to check your memory because I feel like I’ve lived seven years in the last four months so I got this notification that said congratulations Scott you are in the day one program for Amazon Echo frames so I ordered those and they’re coming this weekend and, I forget if we knew about this or not and if we talked about it on the show so is this new or has an I just like him. Jason: [28:08] No it’s super it’s super annoying so, it was announced over a year ago when they launched the echo buds they actually announced a variety of new Alexa enabled devices so they, they had, the earbuds they also showed a a ring that you wear on your finger and they announce these frames that you get prescription lenses in, and for the the ring and the. The frames you had to apply and you and I I know for a fact both applied on the first day that you could apply, and so the reason I’m super annoyed is not even that you got in and I didn’t and that you don’t remember, registering the reason I’m annoyed is because after I found out you got in, I went into my Gmail spam and found out I got in in March and my invitation is already expired. Scot: [29:04] Well next time you see me I’ll be having a conversation with my eyeglasses and you’ll be you’ll be. Jason: [29:11] This is another reason why I see Jeff Bezos point that I should whitelist him but I’m still not going to do it. Scot: [29:18] I think Jeff loves me best. Jason: [29:20] He probably does your more lovable to me frankly you’re more of a wide-eyed Optimist the the he has definitely experienced a v-shaped recovery. Scot: [29:28] Yes he he’s well on the he’s on a V with a rocket ship on the tail, which is actually interesting because they are going to announce results next week they haven’t announced the day I’m thinking July 23rd If you kind of look at last year so we’ll do a whole show dedicated that because I do think you know, as Amazon goes it’s really a good indicator of what’s going on in online I’m going to, predict it’s going to be a blowout quarter based on everything I’ve seen but another thing that was really interesting kind of in your world of grocery and there was a very robust discussion on Twitter was this idea of the Amazon – cart and you and I were aligned on this one oddly enough so let you know so this is a cart that. [30:21] It’s really weird because everyone had one image of this thing so you can tell it was like from a press release it’s going to be in the store that is not a ghost or a not a Whole Foods I don’t know what this evening to be called I don’t know if you know the name of it and it’s gonna be this cart that you can put some items in, it’s really hard to tell from the pressure release if it uses image recognition when you look at the card it clearly has some cameras mounted on it and then it has a digital display most of these cards use RFID in my experience so it’s not clear if it’s going to have some kind of belt and suspenders where there’s an image recognition and an RFID or not. [30:55] W my guess but it’s really interesting cart and then online we had this really interesting discussion where someone said and I think it was the target guy so he met, be a it may be you know on a different team here but he was kind of like this is the stupidest thing why would you have Amazon go and do this dumb cart you’re wasting time in Cycles what’s going on this is or you know I think the conclusion he came up with this is this is an admission that Amazon goes not going to work, and then you and I and other people pointed out hey you know, Amazon’s a 1.6 trillion dollar company I don’t think because they’re trying three or four things you can kind of say this is a signal that they have failed at, thing number one in fact Amazon has enough experiments they could run 50 grocery experiments and to me it actually the opposite is essentially saying Amazon is really serious about groceries so they’re running a lot of experiments these are the ones we know about there’s quite another 50 coming that we don’t know about so that was a really interesting discussion what did you think about that car. Jason: [32:01] Yeah so well I was first and foremost excited so I’m excited about this whole deal. Amazon has had home delivery of groceries for a long time in Amazon Fresh and dirty secret Amazon Fresh hasn’t been very successful are caught on very well in fact. Walmart basically is kicking Amazon fresh as but. Um so then Amazon bought Whole Foods and they started delivering and doing curbside pickup from 80 of the Whole Foods and that’s been a pretty successful service and so, pandemic kids people want way more digital grocery in and in typical Amazon fashion they dramatically scaled their delivery of Whole Foods from 80 stores 260 stores and, and all kinds of amazing things to expand their capacity so so Amazon’s main success in grocery is Whole Foods and so what I’ve been excited about for a long time is. Whole Foods is super expensive groceries that only cater to affluent markets in Big City centers. So it doesn’t you know solve the grocery problem for the bulk of Americans so a while ago it became clear that Amazon was going to open a new physical grocery store. The first of which would be in Woodland Hills California which is a suburb of La that is not a Whole Foods brand a grocery store so this is not something they acquired this is a grocery store that Amazon is inventing and. [33:26] You know my experience Amazon does a lots of cool inventions if they’re going to reinvent grocery I want to see what they think is going to work, so we’ve all been excited I visited the construction site before covid where this thing was scheduled to open it was supposed to open this summer. [33:42] It did not open instead the rumor has it that they’ve been using that location as a dark store for deliveries, and the reason they’re probably doing that is one of the things we figured out over time about this grocery store is it has a big micro fulfillment center in the back of it so it has a robot, there holds a bunch of the groceries and automatically fills a bag with a customer’s order so it’s much more efficient at, feeling bags of groceries for curbside pickup or delivery then humans are and that is clearly part of this new grocery concept that Amazon has, um I’m super interested to shop a store see how that all works they have now discovered another one of these grocery stores under construction that’s promise to open sometime in 2020, in a suburb of Chicago so I’ll get to visit one whether we’re flying or not so I’m excited about that so the new news this week is yes that, one of the other things they’re going to have in this grocery store are these smart carts and my guess is a little different than you, I think it’s a little simpler I’ll be shocked at the store has RFID I don’t think they’re going to put RFID tags on all the products for sale and in fact, I think they might have a lot less products that you put in the cart yourself because I won’t be surprised. [34:57] If you use the micro fulfillment center even when you shop in the store so you order your, peanut butter and mayonnaise and cereal and the robot picks them and puts him in the bag won’t surprise me if you’re only pushing the cart around in the Meat and Deli area and picking your own produce and your own meat. [35:14] We’ll see how that works but to me the smart cart looks like it’s primary feature is, scan and go self checkout so lots of retards let you use your phone in the camera on your phone at products and kind of check out as you go Sam’s Club has a store that that’s the only way to check out call them, Sam’s Club now you can do scan and go in all the other Sam’s Club, Apple was one of the very first people to have this experience and they still use it broadly a problem with that is the the, the camera in the phone isn’t perfectly situated not everyone has the right apps on their phone there’s a lot of user are it’s not the fastest experience in the world so my theory is there’s Amazon grocery stores going to let you do skin and grow on your phone of you want but it’s also going to let you push around in one of their carts that has a. Special-purpose camera dedicated to the task of doing scan and go in the cart so I think the. [36:14] That cart is going to be a way to do scan and go but the cart also has a screen in it and I think they’re going to use that for media so I think they’re going to sell ads, two vendors as part of the Walmart Amazon Media Group, and they’re going to pop up ads in that grocery store when you’re in the appropriate section of the store so I think that’s another way to monetize it and I think there’s going to be a bunch of secret cameras and sensors on that cart, that are carefully keeping track of everything you do while you’re in the store and they’re going to use that for analytics and data for for you know future experiments and Improvement so. I think that’s going to be the main use case of the card I don’t think you’re going to have to use a card to shop in there I just I just think it’s going to be an option and I like per your point I totally agreed with Chris that like. It’s just walk out or nothing like I do agree with Chris. Doing just walk out technology in a 50,000 square foot grocery store is actually. [37:13] More than linearly more difficult than doing it in a 2000 square-foot convenience store so I think there are reasons to think. Amazon Go technology might work in a bunch of categories but grocery wouldn’t be the most obvious one where works so it doesn’t surprise me the Amazons trying to invent something else that fits better for these bigger stores and I also think if the smart cart thing. Wear to work well and become popular it would be much easier to retrofit that into all the Whole Food stores they already own whereas. Um you know go would be easiest to deploy if you’re building a store from the ground. Scot: [37:47] I can’t get over the mental image of you in a construction site wearing a hard hat where you’ve taken an Amazon sticker and put it on there and. You’re just like walking through like you know what’s going on in your like using a tape measure to be like oh this is where the robots going to go and. Jason: [38:02] You just described a way smarter cooler version of what I actually did now. Scot: [38:07] You’ve got a laser measuring device. Jason: [38:09] Coach I should have gotten some coaching from you I probably would have gone inside but yeah. Scot: [38:13] And then you do like a mission impossible repel and they like you’re hovering two inches off the ground and you’re like then a bead of sweat drops that how it. Jason: [38:20] That’s basically how I roll that’s that’s what I like to call Tuesday. Scot: [38:24] Oh man that kills me. Jason: [38:30] Yeah so it’s exciting I think Amazon’s inventing new stuff I don’t know whether this like, smart cards have been tried before and didn’t work it’s not going to shock me of Amazon Does It Better Than People have done it before there are some smart cards that are better than this that do cooler stuff in China that apparently people do like so there there are you I think you commented man that smart cart looks like it has a huge bed or if it’s just running the the electronics that’s kind of weird I wonder if it’s self-powered and there are smart cards in China JD.com has a store with smart cards that actually, like follow an RFID tag in your on your wrist around you in the store so you don’t even have to push the cart there the car just follows you around. Scot: [39:10] Yeah almost wondered if there’s a little Kiva robot hiding in there and it looked just like pop out and just start moving products room W fun mmm, so couple of their Amazon items in Q4 they announced they’re going to be restrictions on third party stuff and warehouses this has been kind of an ongoing thing where they’re just kind of totally tightening the screws of the one area of Amazon where they raise prices which is access to the Fulfillment by Amazon side of things and then Prime day didn’t they so they had moved it they were going to have like, Prime Vibes and then nothing really happened there and then they moved Prime day to September and now haven’t they just totally punted on it. Jason: [39:52] Yeah so the latest rumors are that it’s going to be October I somehow got some inside information and for the life of me I don’t know how but I somehow knew it was going to be in October for several months so everyone’s like oh my gosh we just heard it was in October and I’ve been like wait it’s been there for a month so somehow someone did me a favor and I didn’t, I didn’t realize it and I will say super quick on that on the on the 3p Warehouse I agree with you they’re gonna have a good earnings this quarter and there’s lots of reasons to think they are. It does seem like fulfillment capacity is likely to constrain them like if anything slows them down it’s going to be, capacity and the thing that jumped out at me in this announcement was not that they’re constraining, capacity it’s that they’re like by the way we’re bringing 60 fulfillment centers online this year to increase capacity and. We’re still going to have to constrain it and you and like I don’t know if people are falling at home but like the next biggest e-commerce site in the United States of America has 8 fulfillment centers total. Scot: [40:55] Yeah it’s just its fulfillment centers matter and I think they do it is so far game over it’s not even funny there’s no way anyone could you have to spend like. Foreigner billion dollars or something to catch up with where they are where they’ve been you know they just been like knocking in these things out over so long the asset they have built there is massive, it’s a Death Star. Jason: [41:17] Another thing I’m watching kind of closely is Amazon has made some some minor health. News lately they have announced that they’re opening health clinics in a couple cities in these clinics are adjacent to fulfillment centers because these are not health clinics at the moment, that we believe are to treat their public there to provide Health Services for Amazon employees and so it definitely seems like. As we’ve talked about for a while Amazon has some significant Healthcare aspirations and it feels like they’re dogfooding a lot of those aspirations by, using by testing, new health care approaches internally so you know for a while like Amazon’s had some interesting telemed services for employees they bought some some. Digital diagnostic tools companies and they made those available to employers and now they’re going to open some dedicated health clinic so. What’s interesting to me is that it’s probably a precursor to them having some big big consumer offering in healthcare space and so we’re watching that closely. Um Scot: [42:26] Yeah you’ve kind of predicted Walmart would get into this and hasn’t. Jason: [42:29] Yeah and they have yeah I thought we were going to maybe talk about this later but the Walmart has opened. Clinics that are pretty substantial in Atlanta and now they’ve announced a bunch of other states including Chicago where they’re going to open these clinics, and they’re pretty impressive stand-alone clinics that provide a bunch of services at. You know Walmart level prices shockingly low prices even without insurance and that has kind of been Walmart’s ammo like they did a big thing with Pharmacy where they sell almost all generic prescriptions for four dollars so you know a bunch of people. Even with insurance had some deductible they could never achieve and so they like literally couldn’t take the The Chronic prescribed medicines that their physician prescribed. And you know now through Walmart they can afford them and in much the same way lots of families can afford to get an annual physical and have their kids get an eye exam and dental cleanings and things like that even with no insurance through these Walmart clinic so it’s kind of a. Interesting approach to cost reduce Health enough to make it accessible to all the, the Americans that that are pretty vulnerable with regards to Health Care at the moment so, this is another initiative I hope to God Walmart and Amazon beat each other’s brains out with awesome new inventions and healthcare because we we need it. Scot: [43:48] Yes so bad that there’s like so much room for. Jason: [43:50] Yeah it’s a huge industry and it’s you know ripe for disruption and you know Walmart and Amazon are probably the two company like unless maybe Apple also wants to get into that. You know those are two pretty good private companies to be solving it’s a shame that we’re having to depend on private companies to solve our health care problems but, venturing into politics and we don’t want to go there my funnest fact of the week. [44:16] Is add a age and they’re probably mad at me because it’s 50/50 whether I’m thinking a De Jour adweek in there too competitive Publications but one of them published a report that Amazon is now the largest Advertiser in the world. So they’re spending 11 billion dollars a year on ads they have this novelty stat that means they’re spending twenty one thousand dollars a minute on ads but to me what’s cute about that is. We keep talking about their ad Network and how they’re becoming a meaningful seller of ads and they’re kind of the Third. Biggest digital platform behind Google and Facebook and you know the forecast were that they were going to sell like around there on a run rate to sell about 10 billion dollars in ads, in a calendar year which is still a distant third from Google and Facebook but it’s it’s bigger than, Twitter and a lot of other Pinterest in a lot of other digital Network so it’s pretty impressive, but what where their unique is they’re the only company in the world that’s buying 11 billion dollars of ads and then selling ten billion dollars of ads so they’re they’re buying eyeballs and then selling them back to Brands which is kind of funny. Scot: [45:26] Yeah I would not have expected him to be the largest Advertiser because you you know when you think about what you watch on TV you don’t see a ton of Amazon ads on TV. Jason: [45:36] Then they do they have ads in Market all the time they are like a big Super Bowl Advertiser which is a big big chunk but the bulk of their spend is not TV it’s digital it’s like they’re there Google’s biggest customer. Scot: [45:50] Yeah living the dream it’s funny because for the longest time they said we’re going to we’re not going to spend money on Advertising we’re going to put it all into free shipping and stuff like that and I guess they finally got to the point where. They just had so much money they had to spend some one-on-one marketing. Jason: [46:05] Well another thing where they’re a complete anomaly is I guarantee you they are the only top 10 an Advertiser in the world where nobody can name their CMO. [46:20] Yeah I mean I yeah but the like they do not have like a big public-facing. Marketing department right like you think of the mark Pritchards of the world that are like you know constantly out there for PNG which has historically been one of the biggest advertisers and it’s a it just Amazon is a very different approach so it’s going to be interesting. Scot: [46:40] Cool stats that was a lot of Amazon news what other news is on your radar. Jason: [46:45] Well today I alluded to this earlier but the middle of the months it’s been super fun for me because there, the US Census Bureau publishes the retail data for last month about 18 days into the month so, this morning they published the June retail sales data and. I don’t know if we want to get into all the technicalities of it like there’s a bunch of different ways to slice the data so everyone reports the data and the numbers always look different and it’s because it’s this. This Rich data set you can report retail sales without, food or restaurants you can report it with restaurants you can report it without gas and Automobiles or with gas and Automobiles you can report it with adjusted for inflation and you can report it seasonally adjusted so. If you’re reading I say all that to just tell you if you’re reading any of these statutes. [47:42] If the person cited and did a good job they told you all those details but that’s why you’ll see a lot of variance in the data but so in general the. The adjusted for inflation month-over-month retail sales were up. Five point eight percent in June over May which is a, um by historical standards of very large jump it was a smaller jump than last month which was the hugest jump of all times and that obviously followed a couple months that were the hugest, drop of all times but it it per your point on the economy it is trending in the right direction and it’s trending in the right direction pretty fast. Um The so that’s two months in a row of retail sales growing know basically you know forget the number and no matter how you slice it it’s above above average growth. Um and basically as we discussed you we’ve kind of caught back up to our February sales levels which were the kind of pre covid-19, numbers especially if you if you keep car in there, a weird one this data is really bad I hate it for reporting e-commerce sales but they try they have a thing called non-store sales which used to be catalog sales and now it’s, it still has catalogs in it but it’s mostly calm and their number there is weird it’s down 2.4% so you go. [49:10] Since when is e-commerce been down and why would it be calm down now when everyone’s adopting digital as a result of covid and a couple of reasons. Month over month growth like is not a awesome metric you have to really. What you’re thinking of yeah I mean seasonality is a problem but also it just it’s so dependent on what anomaly happened the month before right like it’s much better to compare. June of 2019 with June of 2018 and spoiler alert. June of I’m sorry June of 2020 is 23 percent better than June of 2019 so so the real Trend here is e-commerce as way up. E-commerce was so way up in the beginning of the pandemic that now. As it normalizes a little bit e-commerce books down also the e-commerce number in the Department of Commerce isn’t huge and so the number of days in a month can actually impact it so there was one less day, this month and so that you know if you take that out you know month-over-month it was actually up two percent so. So yeah I wouldn’t I wouldn’t agonize over that number they have slightly better e-commerce data that they report quarterly and the next reporting of that quarterly data is, August 18th so August 18th is going to be a big date because we’ll get the quarterly e-commerce and we’ll get the July retail numbers to see if we can make it three months of recovery in a row. Scot: [50:34] Yeah I think Amazon’s cleaner data than all the stuff. Jason: [50:38] Yeah, most of the people that like even like the adobe’s that you know have a lot of clients and aggregate their data like most of the the comscore panels and stuff they’re all going to tell you e-commerce is up so when the the, Census Bureau reports is down its kind of goofy. Scot: [50:56] A couple quick ones on Google shopping so they rolled out this is kind of the consulate testing thing so it’s hard to know if this is a test or a permanent feature but you know a one of our guests saw that they have this fast shipping tag and then another one of our guests Faisal said hey it’s only been 15 years and they finally realized people that shop online want to know when they’re getting the products boom I want to report a murder and then another astute online person know. Jason: [51:28] It’s a side note on that comment faysal actually works for Google. Scot: [51:33] That’s it no it. Jason: [51:35] Yeah yeah he works like in in the like especially like he’s in the autonomous vehicle division of Google. Scot: [51:43] Okay that’s alphabet it’s different he’s in he’s in a whole nother part. Jason: [51:47] Yeah those those crappy sales. Scot: [51:49] He’s a w and that’s all day. Jason: [51:51] Are still paying his salary I guarantee you. Scot: [51:53] Yeah he’s over in W crap it over on G so it’s alright it’s he’s like in the whole back end of the alphabet all right and then Nike someone noticed pulled all their listings from Google shopping which is interesting because you know I think we just reported. Like a week ago that Nike CEO said they’re going to move to 50% direct cells so they must have thought they weren’t getting the brand, whatever Roi and they wanted from Google shopping. Jason: [52:22] Yeah and Nagy does have this philosophy which is pretty bold that they’re really only going to sell their product through retail experiences that offer a differentiated experience and so mostly you know people took that to me, retail and so what that means is. If you’re a boring store that puts the Nikes right next to the Reeboks and doesn’t give them a Nike a chance to tell their unique Brand Story in any way that they’re going to fire you as a customer and they have fired them bulk of their retailers and even the ones they haven’t fired. Are increasingly not getting the good hot new Nike products and so to me this Google move feels a little bit like that right like the Google shopping still isn’t a very good experience it still has a bunch of flaws as Joe pointed out like it’s a complete cluster with regard to win am I going to get it shipping times and so to me it feels kind of on brand for Nike to say I’m not just going to put my shoes in a catalog tile in a mediocre selling experience. Scot: [53:21] He had this this data points like three to five years old but I just have a hard time believing night not the Google solved it but a lot of Brands not just in the shoe category but we’ll use that as ample they get they get really frustrated with how Google presents their products right so so there’s all these crawlers this algorithm spits out and says but here’s here’s here’s the best Nike running shoe or something like that and then Nikes like well that’s like six years old and you pulled it off eBay and it’s used that that’s that’s not if you’d asked us that’s like not even in the zip code of like one of our top shoes and you know where the heck did you get that as a top shoe. Jason: [53:57] It’s weird because everyone tells me that AI is perfect it’s weird. Scot: [54:00] I don’t yeah it’s maybe Nikes wrong. Jason: [54:03] Yeah the the fun side note on my favorite Google shopping story is someone a couple of Reed here’s got together and they’re like hey I’m seeing something really weird in my analytics the you know we always have a lot of cart abandonment and carbonates Hoover High and we’re always trying to you know figure out what it is and we do cord cohort analysis and stuff to try to figure out you know who’s who’s abandoning carts and we notice there’s one user that has huge cart abandonment, across all of our sites and his name is John Smith like someone’s typing John Smith in in a bunch of cards and abandoning their carts and they’re like. You know who is this what is it and you know they did some some digital Sue thing and found out that it’s a Google bot for Google shopping. Scot: [54:49] Driving a cart abandonment stats everywhere. Jason: [54:54] Yeah speaking of Nike the the the more interesting Nike news to me. Is that Nike has announced yet another new, Nike owned retail concept so in Nike store that they’re calling Nike rise this first one is opening in China in the, ganju District just opened a week ago. And you know I’ve been kind of impressed with Nikes digital in-store efforts so Nike has a store concept called Nike live which is very personalized order that leverages, data from local Shoppers to a sort the store and it has some cool omni-channel amenities then they open this huge flagship store concept called House of Innovations there’s now several of those and they’re to me the best example of letting customers, use their phone in the store to legitimately enrich the shopping experience and now they have this other concept which I actually obviously haven’t been to yet, but that also its primary emphasis is around digital shopping in a physical store and using your mobile phone in the store so, I feel like there the market leader in doing that and I’ll be interested to see how Nike rise is different than the house of innovation. Scot: [56:14] Yeah when it opens I want to have a suture Rita on the show because her tweet was your like oh my God I’m getting about Nike rise I can’t wait to just like can someone explain this to me in English I don’t understand what this is supposed to be this store is supposed to reflect quote the pulse of sports and a member City and quote this is like the retail equivalent of abstract art. So I’m picturing going in and it’s like a Picasso painting where like the shoes are all in cubes and melty and stuff. Jason: [56:43] So my interpretation like so a every retailer when they open a new store concept they issue this like you know fluffy press release with all the cool experiences in it and the reality is. [56:54] One or two of those experiences are super valuable to customers and customers like them and resonate with and other ones are ones that some executive thought was cool but that no customers ever going to care about right so maybe I’m just more cynical than suit Cerrito I’ve never had a press release for a new retail store that didn’t have some silly fluff in it and I suspect she’s right, some of the features that Nikes touting of this door probably will end up being super silly fluff and I think the one she’s pointing to the way I interpreted them is they have some kind of. Um augmented reality experiences where you can use your phone to kind of have a, a virtual Sports tour of the activities in the city where the store is so you’re a tourist and you know maybe you get the experience if you’re if there were a Nike rise in New York you might get the experience of being at the finish line of the New York Marathon or you know being in jet Stadium or something like that so, I don’t know if I’m interpreting that right but I would kind of agree with her like that’s like a kind of tangential shopping experience. Other experiences on that list I’m much more excited about for example there instead of using those Oldham rulers to measure your feet they’re using, image recognition to to measure your feet and prescribed shoe sizes to you and I think. [58:20] It’s shocking that it’s taken this long to improve on that that shoot of ice that’s now a hundred years old. Scot: [58:26] Do you step on it or like it you walk in the store and a camera sees. Jason: [58:27] It’s just a camera that like it when there’s a home in the US there’s a home version that you can use in the Nike app but I’m guessing this is going to be a slightly more optimized version that the so the sales associate uses in the Nike rise store. Scot: [58:42] We’re up against time and we have 60 more topic let me so the one I really want to hear about what we reward folks are making it this long is there’s been a lot of chatter about Walmart’s new kind of quote-unquote prime killer I thought I thought it’s kind of funny because, I think people are missed it it’s really grocery Focus so I was kind of because you’re the grocery Guru I was curious about your take on that. Jason: [59:08] Yeah I’m of two minds so like to summarize it Walmart is launching a subscription program you you get a membership I think the speculation is that it’s like a hundred bucks and you get some shopping benefits for that that. That bent that subscription. Walmart has announced any of this and in fact Jenny Whiteside the chief customer officer who was on our show a few months ago just did an interview on LinkedIn yesterday and they asked her and she said I have nothing to announce right now. But but stay tuned because it’s it is going to be out in like a month so we don’t know what’s really in it, and here’s my two minds if it’s pay $100 to get free one-day shipping for your general merchandise, I think that’s going to be stupid because like it’s going to be trying to compete with Amazon Prime with a way Lamer offering right like. [1:00:09] Amazon has way more assortment than Walmart and and whatever assortment Walmart can ship in one day is a small subset of Walmart’s assortment so– it’s not just a matter of like some products can get there in one day like way more Amazon products are going to get there in one day than Walmart products I’m pretty confident in that so if that’s all it is, it’s not going to be very interesting but I will be surprised and disappointed if that’s all it is I’ll bet you they’re going to bundle some sir some Walmart benefits in there that are different than things Amazon can bundle right so, um therefore there has to be a grocery component in there like you could imagine that there’s free fast home delivery of grocery included in that, I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a healthcare offering in that that they’re offering some premium Healthcare stuff so I’m going to reserve judgment until I see whether offering I hope it’s not an Amazon me-too product, if they can come up with a compelling list of values super smart and important. [1:01:15] That they build us a recurring Revenue model for Walmart like you know as retailers are getting more and more strained on margins recurring revenues where it’s at like the the most successful in the retailer in the US by many standards is Costco, and it’s because of that membership fee like you know when you look at Amazon success it’s all around Prime, so I think Walmart smart to figure out what its recurring revenue is going to be eager just like everyone else to see. [1:01:44] If this first offering next month is unique and differentiated and it can attract people or if it’s a silly shadow of Amazon Prime. Scot: [1:01:54] Yeah I think that’s compelling it’s like hey pass $99 will give you two flu shots and a bag of groceries let’s see how that sells. Jason: [1:02:06] Yeah well but I mean you can omit like there’s a bunch of healthcare services that people have to pay for like you could imagine them taking a hundred hours a hundred dollars out of the cost of that and then you getting all these other benefits right and that’s. That sounds wacky but like you know when Amazon first rode up the the memo and said we’re going to give free shipping and free movie rentals, in Prime that sounded wacky to now everyone’s like well of course you get those. Scot: [1:02:32] Two billion dollar behemoths battling each other is good for consumers so I’m all for it. Jason: [1:02:37] I and I think more retailers need to invent this there was I know we’re crushing time there was a bane report that came out that got widely distributed where they sort of did the math on the profitability of grocery and, this is a these numbers unfortunately are painfully familiar to me but like a normal profitable growth Grocer in store makes two to four percent gross. [1:03:01] So it’s a pretty pretty thin margin business and so anytime you then pick the groceries for the customer and drive them to the customer’s house. Um you’re going to lose money right so all of this digital grocery stuff is not profitable there’s been a lot of Articles written about and Walmart. Digital grocery not being profitable the easiest way you’d make it profitable as you charge more fees for that right and in general consumers haven’t been willing to pay those fees and so. The the hypothesis is like that a recurring membership program may be the best way to collect fees to make grocery profitable, and so you can kind of think about Walmart plus being Walmart’s answer to the profitability conundrum of digital grocery. I will tell you we talked about the micro fulfillment centers and doing automated picking for groceries, and that’s actually the real way to make groceries profitable if you use a robot to fill the bag and you have the customer pick it up in the parking lot instead of driving it to them, you can basically make digital grocery higher capex than a regular grocery store but hit the same operating margins so then. You don’t have to charge any fe

Greg and I sit down with Chad Wiltz of Garagiste Meadery for our first episode beyond beer. We had a great time and have four segments that we believe you will enjoy. Segments times and topics: 1:51 - 15:28 - Meadcoin : 450 Corn Maze, Brazil 15:31 - 30:50 - Pritchard's Double Chocolate Bourbon : KY Bourbon Trail, Magnumpalooza 2020 30:55 - 45:21 - Jack' Abby BA Framinghammer Baltic Porter : Secondary, Making Beer Fun, What's After Beer for Some 45:25 - 60:02 - Taylor Fladgate 20 Vintage Porto : Dessert Anyone, Tampa Steakhouse, Learning About Wines

You might not believe in ghosts, but it would be difficult to ignore all the furtive and orchestrated actions that were going on throughout the years at 30 East Drive, which continue to this day. Certainly, in some famous poltergeist cases, incidents could have been manipulated to gain attention for the prankster. However, unless you're contending that pre-teens have somehow gained Hollywood Special Effects level skills in every case, then some of the more bizarre and baffling examples of poltergeist activity would be worthy of investigation. Then what exactly, are the defining factors between a run-of-the-mill poltergeist and other types of spirit activity? Is a poltergeist more paranormal than supernatural? What are the rules? There are theories that poltergeist activity may be a physical manifestation of intensely directed energy emanating from people, mostly youth. As "fringe" as that may seem, then in some cases it might possibly be explained by science one day, that is, if enough scientists would be willing to endure the ridicule and ensuing damage to their reputations from their peers. However, the strange activity at 30 East Drive seems much more than that, not only because it continued long after the Pritchards left the house, but also because this energy appears to have a personality behind it, and there are indications that there's more than one spectral personality residing around the property. Whatever you think The Black Monk or "Fred" is, whether disembodied spirits or mischievous kids, this "Mr. Nobody" might not be anybody, but it sure seems like it's something. Visit our website for a lot more information on this episode: http://www.astonishinglegends.com/al-podcasts/2018/09/23/ep-119-the-black-monk-of-pontefract-part-3

The quote, "Guests, like fish, begin to smell after three days" is attributed to Benjamin Franklin. We assume the esteemed Mr. Franklin was speaking only of human guests, but it could also apply to the subject of tonight's show. Because the uninvited guest of 30 East Drive in Pontefract, England would prove to be more than an annoying visitor oblivious to hints or uncaring that they'd overstayed their welcome, it would show itself as a threat to the family's safety and sanity. In the mid-1960s and 70s, the Pritchard family who lived at that address experienced a visitor who was not only unwelcome but unseen, a capricious prankster whose sense of humor was offset by its sometimes vicious and violent power. Human beings have an astounding ability to endure hardships they are powerless against and eventually, this poltergeist presence came to be somewhat accepted, with the mother of the family, Jean, giving it the nickname "Fred." But what was this force in supernatural terms? Was Fred merely poltergeist energy in the general definition, a collective of entities, a demon, or the vengeful spirit of a condemned man? A local legend that a 16th century Cluniac Monk was tried and executed for a horrific crime on those grounds is the source for that last idea. Some have seen a dark, shadowy figure wearing a black monk's robe around the property and it has reinforced that notion. If that is the case, perhaps the Pritchards were the unwelcome visitors to the home of "The Black Monk." Visit our website for a lot more information on this episode: http://www.astonishinglegends.com/al-podcasts/2018/09/08/ep-117-the-black-monk-of-pontefract-part-1

Pritchard and Dainton swing past the Whiff-Inn to meet the boys for a cheeky beer and to discuss their top 5 Hellraisers, and seeing as these two boyo's made up 50% of the craziest bastards in the UK they are in a fair position to judge.Expect mental stories of partying in excess from all the biggest bands and actors in the world, but all pale in comparison to Pritchards story about the time he was on a private jet with Dolph Lundgren.....Pritch and Daint are touring the UK this year recounting more crazy stories of their time on Dirty Sanchez and MTV, so hit them up over on Twitter and lets hear about who we missed in their Top 5!!! See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.