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In this solo episode of The Reformed Brotherhood, Tony Arsenal tackles the concerning theological trend of "Divine Council Theology" and its recent resurgence within Reformed circles. He offers a critical analysis of Michael Heiser's influential work and its problematic popularization by Reformed figures like Doug Van Dorn and John Moffitt. Tony demonstrates how redefining the biblical term "Elohim" to include both God and created spiritual beings in the same ontological category fundamentally undermines the creator-creature distinction essential to Christian orthodoxy. Through careful examination of systematic theological categories, communicable and incommunicable attributes, and implications for Christology, he reveals why this seemingly academic redefinition poses serious threats to biblical monotheism and classical Reformed theology. Key Takeaways Divine Council Theology, popularized by Michael Heiser and now being promoted within Reformed circles, attempts to redefine "Elohim" as a functional category that includes both God and created spiritual beings. This theological trend commits an etymological fallacy by redefining the predominant usage of "Elohim" (which refers to the God of Israel in ~2,300 of 2,600 occurrences) based on minority usages. The approach dangerously blurs the fundamental creator-creature distinction that is essential to Christian monotheism and orthodox theology. Proponents incorrectly classify divine power as a communicable attribute rather than recognizing omnipotence as an incommunicable attribute that cannot be shared with creatures. The theological system makes problematic analogies to the incarnation, showing a confused understanding of the hypostatic union and potentially opening the door to Arian implications. This theology represents a concerning return to concepts the early church fathers fought against when confronting pagan Greek thought, rather than a retrieval of biblical teaching. Departing from the "pattern of sound words" handed down through church history in favor of novel interpretations should raise significant warning flags. Key Concepts The Creator-Creature Distinction The most fundamental division in Christian theology is not between spiritual and material beings, but between the uncreated Creator and everything else that exists. Divine Council Theology dangerously undermines this distinction by placing God and created spiritual beings in the same category of "Elohim." While proponents acknowledge God as the uncreated Creator, they nevertheless insist on categorizing Him alongside angels, demons, and other spiritual entities based on shared attributes of power or function. This categorization system parallels pagan worldviews more than biblical theology, where God exists in a class of one. By defining "Elohim" as a functional category related to spiritual power rather than an ontological one, this approach inadvertently returns to a hierarchical view of spiritual beings with God merely at the "top of the totem pole" rather than in an entirely separate and unique category of existence. This framework subtly but significantly undermines biblical monotheism by suggesting God shares a fundamental nature with His creatures. Communicable vs. Incommunicable Attributes Divine Council Theology mishandles the traditional theological distinction between God's communicable and incommunicable attributes. In classical Reformed theology, communicable attributes (like love or wisdom) can be shared with creatures in a limited, analogical way, while incommunicable attributes (like omnipotence, eternality, or divine simplicity) belong exclusively to God and cannot be shared without making the creature into God. Proponents of Divine Council Theology erroneously suggest that the power denoted by "Elohim" is a communicable attribute that God shares with spiritual beings, rather than recognizing omnipotence as properly incommunicable. This misclassification creates theological incoherence: if God could truly share His omnipotence with creatures, those creatures would effectively become equal to God in power, creating the logical impossibility of multiple omnipotent beings. This confusion of categories demonstrates how this theological system fails to maintain proper distinctions that are essential for preserving the uniqueness and transcendence of God in Christian theology. Memorable Quotes "Christianity and biblical Judaism—the primary distinction is not between spiritual and matter... The primary distinction when we're talking about the most absolute line is the distinction between the uncreated creator and his creation." "Rather than rely on the safe time-tested words and concepts that have been proven and validated, and attacked and defended and have been victorious for hundreds and thousands of years... Moffitt and Van Dorn think it is smarter and safer to depart from the pattern of sound words rather than to keep the pattern of sound words because they think that they are able to look at the Bible the way basically no one ever has in the 2000 years of the church and find something they haven't." "These teachings are pagan. This is talking about returning to a world populated by spiritual beings, and God is kind of just on the highest part of the totem pole... We're just returning to something that the early church fought hard to get rid of when they came out of their pagan culture." Resources Mentioned Reformed Arsenal article series on Divine Council Theology Full Transcript [00:00:24] Introduction and Episode Setup Tony Arsenal: Welcome to episode 461 of the Reformed Brotherhood. I am Tony, and today it's just me. Hey, brothers and sisters. We had a little bit of a scheduling conflict this week, so Jesse is taking the week off and uh, it gives me an opportunity to talk about something that I've been doing a little bit of research on. [00:00:47] Affirmations and Denials Tony Arsenal: Hopefully the listener has noticed that Jesse and I have been trying to keep our affirmations and denials a little bit tighter so we can get into the meat of the episode a little bit quicker. But occasionally we do run into a denial, usually a denial, but we run into a denial that, uh, we often say this could be an episode of its own. And so today is one of those episodes. So I'm not gonna give you my normal affirmation or denial. I'm just gonna jump into it. Now this is gonna be a little bit off the cuff. I've been doing some research, so I may not have as much of the receipts as the kids say, um, as I normally would. But I am writing a series of articles on this issue over@reformedarsenal.com. I'll make sure to put the link to the first article in the show notes. All of the receipts are there, all of the timestamps for the podcast episodes that I'll be. Discussing your critiquing. Are there citations for research work that I'm doing? All that stuff is there. So if you're interested in digging into the meet and you're the kind of guy who, or girl who likes to nerd out in the footnotes, then head over to uh reformed arsenal.com. You'll find the series pretty quick. [00:01:56] Introduction to Divine Counsel Theology Tony Arsenal: What I wanted to talk about today, and I'm glad we have kind of a whole episode, uh, to talk about it, is a movement, uh, that has some foothold in reformed theology. Uh, it's not new, uh, it didn't start in reformed theology, but for some reason, uh, those who are within our orbits tend to be a little bit enamored by this kind of theology. I'm not exactly sure why. [00:02:19] Michael Heiser's Influence Tony Arsenal: This theology is often called Divine Counsel Theology, and it was really, um, you know, it's not entirely new even with, with this figure, but it was really made popular and sort of, um, spread about and made accessible by the late Michael Heiser. Um, part of this is because he was just a very winsome, uh, guy. He took. Sort of highfalutin academic concepts and was able to bring them down to, uh, to an understandable level, including things like ancient near Eastern context, biblical, you know, ex of Jesus Hebrew language, other ancient near Eastern languages, which of course, that's that kind of stuff is what this podcast is all about, taking difficult, sometimes technical concepts. Talking about them, translating them into kind of the language that everybody else speaks. So that project was fine. The issue is the direction that he goes with a lot of the theology. So Michael Heiser writes a book called Unseen Realms, which is seen as kind of a retrieval of the supernatural mindset and worldview of the Bible. Uh, there's a lot to be commended about that, uh, enterprise, about that intention. I do agree with part of what he has to say when he says that we've lost a lot of the supernatural context of the Bible. Um, but I think where he goes with it is a direction that we really ought not go and we'll dig into it. [00:03:43] Critique of Reformed Fringe Podcast Tony Arsenal: The reason this is coming up now is because recently there's been a series of articles and podcasts put out by a show called The Reformed Fringe. Uh, some if you're in the Telegram chat, which you can join at, uh, t Me slash Reformed Brotherhood. You've already seen some of this stuff. We've already talked about it a little bit. But the Reformed Fringe is a podcast that sort of tries to fill a space that's something like Haunted Cosmos, which we've talked about before. Um, fills sort of looking at the weird fringe kind of things in the world. Ghosts, paranormal activity, trying to explain it through a biblical, uh, lens or worldview. Again, that's a commendable. Effort. There are strange things that happen in our world that are not easily explainable or at all explainable by natural, uh, naturalistic means. And so coming to those things with the Bible as our, uh, rubric to instruct us on how the world works is a commendable thing. But again, this project, which is by and large, um, and we'll get into maybe, but by and large is just an extension of, um, Heiser's project really goes in directions that cause all sorts of problems down the road. So the podcast is, uh, run by a guy named Doug Van Dorn, who most of the audience probably hasn't heard of. I have had run-ins with Doug over the years. Um, the last time I ran into him actually was revolving around similar kinds of issues that I'm gonna be calling out today. Um, and it, it ended up with him kind of having to depart from the reform pub, uh, maybe to put it a little bit politely and, um. You know, he has, he has taken, he's theology, which was not explicitly reformed. Heiser was not a reformed guy. He had no claims to be a Calvinist in many ways. Uh, he was sort of anticon confessional in, in that he opposed not the idea of a faith statement, but he sort of purported to come to the Bible with no biases, with no tradition. He wanted to approach what he called the Naked Bible. That was actually the name of his podcast before he died a few years ago. And so what Doug Van Dorn is, has done who, uh, Doug is a claims to be a 1689 Reformed Baptist. He's a pastor in Colorado, I believe. Um, he has tried to take this divine counsel theology and bring it into the reformed world. So he comes at it with a, a slightly different angle, but for the most part, his conclusions are the same. And in many cases he just straight up steals ER's work and doesn't cite it, doesn't do much to, uh, articulate that this is not his original research. Um, so he's taken that and he's trying to bring it into the reformed world. And Heiser himself was actually quite influential when I was a, an admin in the reform pub. We would run into lots of, lots of young reformed guys. Who were really enamored with this and they really saw, he's project as sort of a return to a pure form of exo Jesus that really got at what the Hebrew was saying. And it tickled, I think, kind of an intellectual, uh, an intellectual itch that a lot of those guys had combined with sort of this desire for the new and novel, um, which is in itself can be pretty dangerous. To sort of make things a little bit more pressing, Heiser has teamed up with John Moffitt, who many of our listeners may know. Uh, he's one of the co-hosts and founders of the podcast, Theo Cast, uh, which otherwise is a perfectly fine podcast. Um, he's also a 1680 or claims to be a 1689 Reform Baptist. He's a pastor. Um, their podcast is sort of what you would get if you had, uh, and I don't mean this to be pejorative, although maybe it is a little pejorative. Theo cast is what you would get if you took r Scott Clark. Uh, you made it much less intellectual and careful, and then made it Baptist. And what I mean by that is Scott's whole project. In large part is to recover and to emphasize the law gospel distinction. Theo cast has taken that and sort of cranked it up to 11. Uh, and they have um, they have sort of moved away from a lot of the classical reform distinctions of the law itself, so they don't full on deny the third use of the law. But in practice they would say that, um, good works is no kind of evidence whatsoever for your, um, for your faith. It's no kind of evidence of your, your salvation, which of course are confessions themselves. Um, say that there is a kind of evidential value to assessing our good works within certain reason and con. So the show is otherwise orthodox. You know, I I, I recall hearing episodes where they were refuting things like EFS, um, but because of that, Moffitt brings with him sort of an air of credibility and an error in orthodoxy that, um, the show itself probably hasn't merited. If Doug just recorded, pushed, play and put it on the. I don't think there would've been too much, uh, too much of a following. He would've probably, you know, grabbed a couple people who heard it and thought it was interesting. But because Moffitt has such a following on Theo cast, he brings with him a large audience, and that makes it particularly dangerous because his name attached to it makes it more widespread. It makes it feel like it's safer. And so I think a lot of people, uh, assume that what he's saying is orthodox and good. And I think what we'll find out is, is that it's not. So I think that's enough ProGo. [00:09:10] Elohim and Its Implications Tony Arsenal: I'm gonna go ahead and, and jump into explaining kind of what the theology that we're talking about is and, and what the problems are. So this all started kicked off, uh, with a series of podcast episodes and the first episode, and again, I don't have the specific titles here. I'll put a bibliography in the show notes on this one just so you have links to all the relevant episodes. Um, this all kind of kicked off with a podcast episode called something like The History of the Word God, or something like that. And, um, basically what Moffitt and Van Dorn want to do is they wanna look at the word Elohim in the Bible, which of course is a plural noun. Uh, in Hebrew, the, the suffix, just like in English, we might add an S or an ES, um, to a word to make it plural. Or in Greek, it's usually, if it's a masculine, uh, noun, it's, it's an oi or an omicron iota that sort of always sound at the end. Um, or when we, we talk about Latin, you have, you have like, um, you add the I at the end, so we say octopi instead of octopuses or something like that. Cacti instead of cactus. Although both of those are kind of pig Latins, um, in, in Hebrew for, uh, for masculine nouns. The suffix that you add to make it plural, is that eam sound. It's a, it's an Im if you transliterate in English. So the word Elohim is a plural of the original noun El which is a proper name for a eury deity. But it came to just be the singular word for, for God. Um, and, and in non-biblical language, we would say in a God. Um, and we do see in English, there are in, in Hebrew, in the Bible, there are places where we see the singular of this. It's kind of an older form, so it doesn't show up as much. Um, but by and large when we see the word Elohim in the Bible. Something like, uh, outta 2,600 references or more than 2,600 references in the Bible. Um, the word Elohim is associated with a single, a singular noun, and it only refers to the God of Israel. What Moffitt and Van Dorn want to do is they want to take this word and they wanna define it based on the abnormal. Uh, use of it. So the vast minority, minority of cases in the Old Testament, the word Elohim refers to the gods or to a non, like what we might say is lower G God, either like the God, Baal, or some sort of collective reference to the gods, the gods of the nation, or something like that. They wanna take the fact that there is this variation in the way the word is used and sort of radically redefine how the Bible uses it. And this, this is what I call and what a lot of people would call an etymological fallacy. So what they're doing is, instead of, uh, looking at the word and defining it based on how it's used in an, in an overwhelming fashion, they're looking at sort of the etymology of the word. And then they're using the fact that there are, uh, some pretty Dr. Dramatically minority cases where the word is used in a different way and they wanna redefine it and say, in, in all or most cases in the Bible actually. This is what the word means. So they look at the word L, which from its root has something to do probably with the, with the word for power or something like that. Um, they wanna look at it. And, you know, if you read someone like Vos in Reformed dogmatics in his volume one, he talks about how when we see the name Elohim for God, it denotes or, or refers to his sort of power, his omnipotence, which is all good and fine, just like we would say Yahweh. Uh, as a proper name refers to God sort of in his covenant role. It's his covenant name, his, his intimate, familial name that he shares, uh, with his people or he reveals to his people. Elohim is a more abstract name and it refers to God's power. Usually we see it in relation to his cre creation. So in Genesis one, um, when it's God created, it's Elohim created, which is also important and relevant for, for later. So what they wanna do is they want to say that Elohim actually. What Act Elohim actually means is it's a reference to a class of beings, spiritual beings, and that that it means sort of any spiritual being that has some type of supernatural power or enhanced power, some sort of spiritual power. They do this by saying that the noun is not an ontological noun, it's actually like a noun of function. Um, so like we would say a, a good example in English would be a painter that's a noun of function. It's a title of function. It any person could be called a painter if they engage in the verbal action of painting. And so what they're saying is that any being that engages in the action of having power. Is, uh, is an Elohim. And so that would include, in narrating at least, it would include angels, demons. Uh, I, you know, I don't know that they've said this explicitly, but I, I think Heiser would've included things like ghosts, disembodied spirits, um, humans in sort of the intermediary state might be considered Elohim humans in the, in the, um, this. Life are called Elohim, uh, in some instances. So, so this is where the Divine Council theology comes from, and that comes from Psalm 82, I think, where there's this council of Elohim that, that Yahweh seems to be speaking to and deliberating with. Or you look at Joe, where the sons of God come and they sort of pulled court in God's heavenly presence. So he would say those are examples where the, the collected Elohim. God being one of the Elohim are somehow gathered in this heavenly divine counsel. Now what this does is just devastating to Christian theology is it takes God who exists in a class of one. The, the, the God of the universe is, is the only uncreated entity in all of of the world. And so when we start to talk, and this is ironic, when we start to talk about the ways to divide up the world, the ancient world, the, the pagan world tended to divide the world between, um. Between spiritual and material. So think of g Gnostics where matter was bad and spirit was good. Or even think of something like, um, the Greek pantheons, the Greek, um, Greek religion, like ancient Greek mythology. You have sort of the spirits and the spiritual world and the gods inhabit a spiritual, have a spiritual existence for the most part. And then you have the physical world where kind of people live, uh, at least while they're alive. Christianity and, and Judaism, at least Biblical Judaism. On the other hand, the, the primary distinction is not between spiritual and matter. There is of course that distinction. There are humans, which are spiritual and material. There are animals which are entirely material, and then there are angels which are entirely spiritual. And so we would say that God is spiritual. So that is a distinction in the world. But the primary distinction when we're talking about the most absolute line is the distinction between the, the uncreated creator and his creation. So what Moffitt, Moffitt and Van Dorn do is instead of observing that biblical distinction, which really all of Christian theology and Christian monotheism rests on, they wanna say that instead, the distinction is between the. Um, is between the Elohim as the sort of spiritual beings and then sort of everything else of the created world, and so they wouldn't deny that God, that Yahweh is. The uncreated creator of all things, but they would say he's an uncreated Elohim and that there is a class of created Elohim. So I don't, I don't think you have to go too far down this road to see what this does. It puts God on the same level as his creatures in at least one way. Um, and I think we'll find out later, uh, as we talk through this, actually it does it in a couple ways that are really, uh, really can be problematic as we go. And so, uh, just let me be clear if all that, if all that Moffitt and Van Dorn were saying, if, if all they said was, um, we can use the word Elohim to describe any creature. Or God that doesn't have a body. Elohim is a synonym for the word spirit. Um, that wouldn't be the wisest way to speak, I don't think. It wouldn't be the, the most, um, felicitous or safe way to talk about the distinction. But it wouldn't be controversial. There'd be nothing wrong with that. It'd just be using a different word. It'd be like if I said, well, instead of the word spirit, I'm gonna use the word bibly bop, you know? So we have. We have God who is bibly bop, and we have the angels who is bibly bop, and humans are biblio bop. And also material, again, not the safest way to talk. There's no reason to use that alternative language when the Bible gives us perfectly legitimate language. Um, but it wouldn't be a problem. But Moffit and Van Dorn go. Way past this and maybe they don't realize it. I've asked them on Twitter, I asked them to clarify. I didn't get a response. So if they are hearing this, which maybe they will, maybe they won't. If they're hearing this, I would really love to get some clarification on some of these questions because I would love nothing more than to be able to say that this was all a big misunderstanding and that actually all they're saying is that there is this spiritual existence. That, um, we can put all things that are spirit without a body or spirit with a body. We can put all those in the same category and call that category Elohim. Again, I don't think that's safe, but if that's all they were doing, that would be fine. But we see in their episodes, and I'm gonna try to grab some quotes, um, from, from some of the articles I've written. But again, go read the articles because this goes way more in depth. It's got timestamps of it. It's got links to their episodes. Don't take my word for it. Go listen to their. Words and, and check, you know, check my math on this. But what they do is they actually start to, in, in an attempt to justify why it's okay to put God in the same category as his creatures. Um, and in at least one way, they start to make some weird statements that have a lot of systematic theology, um, implications that are, are just really, really risky. So, for example, one of the ways that they try to kind of explain this, I'm gonna pull, pull the article that I wrote up here. So, great podcasting. [00:19:34] Communicable vs. Incommunicable Attributes Tony Arsenal: Um, one of the ways they start to try to do this is again, they, they wanna say they use this distinction between incommunicable and communicable attributes, right? So in, in Christian theology, classically speaking, a communicable attribute of God is an attribute that he shares or could share with. A creature and primarily we're talking, you know, we're talking about attributes that he shares with his image bearers. So something like, um, love. Love is a communicable attribute. Our love is different than God's love, but when we say love, we're talking about the same basic category of things God loves differently than we do. But love and in a human sense, and love in a, in a divine sense, are still talking about the same thing. There's a point of contact there. Um, an incommunicable attribute would be something like, um, something like eternity. Right. Eternity is not just an extended infinite sequence of time. If it was, he could share that with us. Um, but eternity or infinity is an entirely different way of existing than a creature could ever, could ever exist in divine Simplicity is another example. Um, God could not make humans simple because simplicity entails all sorts of things like infinity. Um, eternality. Um, you know, omnipresence, omni, potent, all of these things are entailed by simplicity. So God could not make a creature infinite because in order for it to be infinite, it would have to be God. Uh, God could not make a creature simple, uh, in the, in the sense of no composition of parts. Uh, because that would mean that that creature is actually God and has no composer. So, so those would be the classic, uh, incommunicable attributes and omnipotence. Is considered, although it's a little bit weird, it sort of crosses the line in some ways. But omnipotence is considered. An incommunicable attribute. God cannot share his omnipotence with a creature because you can't have two omnipotence. Um, if you have two omnipotence, then those two omnipotence cancel each other out in some sense. If God, and, and, and he has a will, God wills one thing, and then I as a creature, if he shared his omnipotence with me, somehow willed a different thing, then we would no longer be, neither of us would be omnipotent. Where this goes sideways with Moffitt and Vandorn is rather than respect omnipotence as a an incommunicable attribute, they say that the attribute or the word Elohim denotes power or might, and that is a communicable attribute. So God does give us a certain level of power. He allows us a certain level of agency. He grants that to us. Again, I'm not even sure that we would call that an an. A communicable attribute. Um, but in a sense, I guess it is. And so they say here, um, Elohim does not mean omnipotent. It means power. It's not an incommunicable attribute. It's a communicable attribute that all kinds of entities could possess. So they're saying that the word, um, the word Elohim, uh, in the Bible denotes that a. A, an entity possesses a certain kind of power or acts in a certain role of executing a certain kind of power. And that doesn't mean omnipotence. It means it means potence. It means some sort of power. And so that that wielding power attribute that. Uh, being a, being that wields power, that attribute, whatever we want to call it, however we want to phrase it, that is a communicable attribute that God shares. He communicates that attribute to all other beings in the class of Elohim. Now, let's just back that up for a second. Um, this still would mean that God has to be the creator and they don't deny that, but it would still mean that God, prior to creation. Was an Elohim in a category of one, and then somehow he created a class and because he's extended. This attribute of wielding power, say power wielder, to try to make it actually more of an attribute. He's extended this attribute of power wielder to uncreate or to created angels, demons, human spirits, whatever other spiritual entities there might be. They would bring in things like principalities, powers, they have a whole, in other, other contexts, they'll talk about this whole different bifurcation of types of spiritual beings that I think is a little speculative, but not a big deal. He extends this power wielder attribute to these created categories. And instead of this now creating a separate category of power wields who are not God, it now is uh, he expands this category of one to now include all sorts of other things, which again, as you can, you can imagine, just runs into problems. And so the, again, this, this word Elohim appears over 2,600 times, and of these instances, 230 of them refer to the God of Israel. So the idea that that. This word is not used specifically as a reference to the God of Israel, or should not be thought of as uniquely titling or almost exclusively titling God. The God of Israel just doesn't really match the data, but it's also just really poor Exogenic method. So rather than take the predominant usage and look at the context. Understanding that the predominant usage is the predominant usage. Instead, we're gonna go back and say, well, these, these minority, these 300 or so cases outside, and not even all 300 of them are used the same way, but these 300 or so cases of them not referring to the God of Israel, we're gonna use that to redefine the word. Its entirety. It's just poor. It's just poor scholarship. It's overly speculative. Um, I haven't read much of. He's work on this in the primary sources. Um, I, I would venture a guess that Heiser makes a much more robust argument than this. And this is part of the problem. When you take an already speculative, already dangerous theology and you try to pop popularize it when you just don't have the same chops that he did, uh, you end up really making some crass, simplistic arguments that just make you look a little silly. To think we can take 200 or 2,600 instances and redefine 2 20, 300 of them. By the way, it's used 300 of the times Just doesn't make any sense. So it again, if, if all we are saying is that God is spiritual and angels are spiritual and so there is some point of affinity between the two, then that would be okay. That wouldn't be a problem. Again, there's some risk in using the word Elohim in that. Sort of placeholder, but, um, that would be a semantic discussion. What they're doing is far, far deeper and far more problematic than that. [00:26:30] Systematic Theology Concerns Tony Arsenal: And so the, the other thing they do, um, that I think is really dangerous, and I don't have all of the, I haven't finished this article yet, so I don't have all of the timestamps in front of me to, to, to get there, is in attempting to justify this Moffitt, uh, in, in one of the other episodes, he turns to the incarnation as a sort of model. And so he'll say that, you know, the son of God is divine, but he's also human. And the fact that he's human, uh, doesn't therefore mean he's not also uniquely the uncreated creator. I would assume everyone hearing this who listens to this show, uh, which has done many, many episodes on Christology, it's one of our pet projects, is just throwing their listening device across the room because what Moffitt seems to miss entirely is that Christ is not, the sun is not in the category of human. Uh, sort of in a simple sense, Christ is in the category of human because he assumes to himself a second created nature. So what, what the, the analogy he's trying to draw is if the sun can be human without ceasing to be the unique one, uncreated God, then so also can, the whole trinity, I guess, can also be Elohim without ceasing to be the one uncreated God. He even goes so far as to say that there is Uncreated Elohim, and then there is created Elohim, and they're all in the category of Elohim, but because there's this commonality, we should still consider that class. And he draws that distinction or he draws the implication that. Um, there's somehow uncreated humanity in Christ, which is a whole different ball of worms that we won't get into. But in, in drawing this analogy, he sort of shows that he really doesn't understand the hypostatic union. He doesn't understand the incarnation, or if he does, he's really making a poor comparison because in the hypostatic union it's not as though the son, uh, as divinity, the son, as the one uncreated. God simply adds to himself in a raw sense and merges. Uh, he doesn't become part of the category of human without taking on a second nature. And then now we are even getting into some inconsistencies. Is human an ontological category or is that a category of function? Are there other categories of function, uh, other creatures in existence that the category of function human might fit? So I think you can see that this just is not a self consistent. Um, a self-consistent system and it leads to all these weird implications. Um, you know, and then they'll even go on to talk about how the Son is the angel of the Lord. I'm not gonna get into a lot of it here, and I agree with that thesis that the, when we see the angel of the Lord in the Old Testament, in the vast majority of cases, we're probably seeing a pre-incarnate appearance of, um, of the second person of the Trinity. They go so far as to say that this is actually a sort of. Incarnation or a sort of hypostatic union of the Elohim nature. So they, they, they draw this distinction, or they draw this parallel between created Elohim and Uncreated Elohim, and they, they argue again, I think implicitly, but in some instances it's almost, it's almost explicit that the son in, in being the angel of the Lord, takes on the uncreated or takes on the created Elohim nature. It's, it's really, um, it's really problematic. So now we have the son who is, uh, sort of hypostatic united to the unc, to the created Elohim nature, and then also is hypostatic united to the human nature. Um, it, it really just gets messy and it confuses categories in a way that is not helpful. And if I'm just being frank, a lot of the younger reformed guys. And when I say younger, I'm talking, maybe I'm projecting back to when I was a younger reform guy, um, I'm talking about people in their mid twenties to maybe early thirties, right? The, the people who were maybe the second or third generation of the young restless reform guys, they didn't necessarily learn, uh, ref young restless reform theology directly from RC Sproul. You know, they weren't the first generation. Um, and, and maybe their pastors weren't the first generation, but, but maybe their pastors were the second generation and now they're learning it from their pastors. So you might think of 'em as like the third generation, to be frank, they don't usually have a great grasp on some of these systematic theology categories as part of why. Jesse and I do this podcast, and part of why we cover the same topic over and over again, part of why we're gonna go through this parable series. But when we're done, we're probably gonna go back and start over with systematic theology. We're gonna go back, we're gonna go through another confession. That's why we spent, we spent like six years going through systematic theology. And almost immediately went back to the Scott's confession and did most of it all over again because these truths need to be taught again and again and again. This is part of what Jude is talking about when he says, we have to contend for the faith. It's not just fighting with people online. It's not just polemics or apologetics. It is reteaching and handing down the faith that was once delivered to the saints. Again, and this is perhaps, and this is the last point I'll make. This is perhaps the most. Telling a reason we should be weary and suspicious of this theology. Paul, in, uh, one of the letters to Timothy, second Timothy, maybe he says, follow the pattern of the sound words that you heard from me. He's not talking about the scriptures. He doesn't say follow the sound words that I'm writing to you. He's referring to a body of doctrine sometimes. The Bible calls it the faith, right? Jude says to contend for the faith. There's this body of doctrine that is the teaching of the apostles, and it is encapsulated in this sort of set pattern of words. Erin A is called it the rule of faith or the regular fide, right? This is where we get things like the Nicean Creed or the Hanian Creed. Why we have creeds and confessions is because we don't need to reinvent the wheel and rather than rely on the safe time-tested words and concepts that have been proven and validated, and attacked and defended and, and um, have been victorious for hundreds and thousands of years, rather than rely on those. Moffitt and Van Doran think it is smarter and safer to depart from the pattern of sound words rather than to keep the pattern of sound words because they think that they are able to look at the Bible the way basically no one ever has in the 2000 years of the church and find something they haven't. I don't wanna be too bombastic. Um, I don't, I don't know either of them. Well, um, from what I can tell, what I've heard of their professions of faith, uh, they're, they're Christian believers. They love the Lord and are very confused. But these teachings are pagan. This is, we're talking about returning to a world of, of populated by spiritual beings. And God is kind of just on the highest part of the totem pole, and maybe there's a firm line between his place on the totem pole and the, the next level down. Maybe there is, um, gets a little bit less firm of a line when we're talking about Jesus, right? So there's some potential Arian implications there that the son, uh, is not the highest deity he is. He's like the father in some ways, but he, you know, in his sort of original form is like creatures in other ways. Um, we're just returning to something that the early church fought hard to get rid of when they came out of their pagan culture. When we started to see Greeks convert to Christianity, they had to figure out how do we come out of our polytheistic culture, and this is where we get the best defenses of monotheism. Jewish Christians didn't have to argue for monotheism because all the Jewish Christians already were monotheists in a biblical sense. The Greek Christians had to fight this stuff. Justin Martyr had to fight this stuff. Athanasius and the Cappadocian fathers had to fight this stuff constantly pushing back against the background Greek culture. And Moffitt and Van Dorn wanna point to that and say, see, really, they're just Greeks in disguise and in the reality is Athanasius and the cap oceans, were fighting against the theology that is making a resurgence in this divine council theory. [00:34:55] Conclusion and Call to Action Tony Arsenal: So I think that's enough for now. Please. Again, I'm writing a long series on this. I don't know how long it's gonna take. I think it's gonna be probably 10 or 13, 10 to 13 articles. It's, it's gonna be a pretty extensive project. But go read them. Go look at them, listen to their episodes, read their articles, and then you compare that to the word of God, has what I said made more sense or does what they make more sense. So I'll leave you with that. The dog is losing her mind. And uh, with that honor, everyone love the brotherhood.

In today's episode, Jenny welcomes back Pastor Doug Van Dorn as he explores the theological significance of baptism, tracing its roots from the Old Testament to the New Covenant. Doug discusses the relationship between baptism and circumcision, the role of baptism in the priesthood, and how baptism serves as a means of grace and a public declaration of faith. He goes on to emphasize that baptism predates circumcision and is integral to understanding one's identity as part of the royal priesthood in the New Covenant. The discussion also touches on the implications of baptism for different Christian traditions and the importance of being set apart for God's service as well as answering the question that is so often up for debate... does infant baptism count?Dougs Links:Websites | https://www.douglasvandorn.com/ - https://www.rbcnc.com/ - https://www.reformedfringe.com/"Waters of Creation" Book | https://amzn.to/4owMy65ROOTED CONFERENCE 2025 — get your ticket here!

In today's episode, Jenny welcomes back Pastor Doug Van Dorn as he explores the theological significance of baptism, tracing its roots from the Old Testament to the New Covenant. Doug discusses the relationship between baptism and circumcision, the role of baptism in the priesthood, and how baptism serves as a means of grace and a public declaration of faith. He goes on to emphasize that baptism predates circumcision and is integral to understanding one's identity as part of the royal priesthood in the New Covenant. The discussion also touches on the implications of baptism for different Christian traditions and the importance of being set apart for God's service as well as answering the question that is so often up for debate... does infant baptism count?Dougs Links:Websites | https://www.douglasvandorn.com/ - https://www.rbcnc.com/ - https://www.reformedfringe.com/"Waters of Creation" Book | https://amzn.to/4owMy65ROOTED CONFERENCE 2025 — get your ticket here!

Introduction Hey there, Spirit of the Deal listeners! This week, we're diving deep into the raw, gritty, and spiritual side of sales and communication with the one and only Mary Van Dorn. Forget polished corporate speak – we're talking Gary Halbert's barstool wisdom meets Brandon's modern, mindful approach.This isn't your typical interview. We're using a high-octane "speed dating" segment to get right to the heart of Mary's energy and experience. Expect: Punchy insights: Short, sharp bursts of wisdom you can use immediately. Story-driven lessons: Compelling narratives that reveal the practical and emotional aspects of success. Data-backed strategies: Proven techniques that work, no fluff allowed. A modern spiritual edge: Intuition, energy, and universal flow – grounded in reality, not airy-fairy nonsense. So buckle up, because Mary's journey from mortgage banking to empowering nonprofit leaders with their voices is a masterclass in authentic connection and persuasive communication. We'll uncover the secrets behind her success, and you'll walk away with actionable takeaways you can use to boost your own impact – whether you're selling a product, leading a team, or simply aiming to be heard. Honest Overview This episode is a raw, real conversation with Mary Van Dorn, a speaker coach who transforms nervous talkers into confident communicators. It's not your typical polished interview; it's a gritty, insightful dive into the power of authentic communication and the energy behind impactful speaking. Core Message: Unlock your authentic voice to achieve greater success and impact, both personally and professionally. Stop being boring; embrace storytelling to connect with your audience on a deeper level. Storytelling is key: Weaving narratives into your communication makes you 22 times more memorable. It's not just about facts; it's about connection. AI can't replace human connection: While AI can help with content creation, it can't replicate the energy, conviction, and genuine human connection that captivates audiences. Unleash your inner storyteller: Mary shares how she discovered her own storytelling ability and uses it to help clients build their businesses and make a profound difference. Find your alignment: Discover what lights you up, align your work with your passions, and experience the joy of purpose-driven living. Even if you're not an entrepreneur, find joy in your work and leave people happier than you found them. Authenticity trumps perfection: Embrace imperfections in your storytelling. Adapt, connect with your audience, and let your genuine self shine through. Key Takeaway: Master the art of authentic communication to build stronger relationships, boost sales, and make a significant impact in your chosen field. Mary's work helps people find their voice, share their stories, and ultimately, leave a mark on the world. Connect with Mary: MaryVanDorn.com

Doug Van Dorn returns to Blurry Creatures to unpack the Transfiguration through a supernatural lens—what really happened on that mountain? Was it just a moment of glory, or something far more cosmic? Tune in as we explore this pivotal moment in the life of Jesus and its deep ties to divine council theology, spiritual beings, and unseen realms. Become a member here: blurrycreatures.com/members Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This episode is a wild ride through biblical conspiracies, secret edits to Scripture and why Christians should be the most suspicious people in the room. Doug Van Dorn returns to unpack the supernatural and historical layers behind everything from the Masoretic text to media manipulation—and Brandon even drops insight on Bigfoot as an evangelistic tool. This one's got theology, mystery, and a whole lot of mind-blowing moments. It's wild, it's weighty, and it's woven with truth. You'll laugh, you'll gasp, you might even reevaluate your eschatology. Let's just say, if you're not questioning everything, are you even free?https://www.reformedfringe.com/https://unrefinedpodcast.com

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I sit down with pastor, author, and theologian Doug Van Dorn to explore conspiracy theories through a distinctly Christian lens. From ancient secret societies to modern-day deception, Doug unpacks how spiritual warfare, biblical prophecy, and historical patterns all intersect with today's most controversial ideas. Is there a biblical framework for understanding conspiracies? How should Christians discern truth in a world of misinformation? Join us for a thought-provoking discussion that challenges assumptions and digs deep into the unseen battle between good and evil.Links⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠email:beyondtheparadigm@yahoo.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Beyond the Paradigm - YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠instagram.com/paradigm1979⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠twitter.com/paradigm_79⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠(1) Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Support The Show ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ patreon.com/BeyondTheParadigm ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠buymeacoffee.com/beyondthep5Guest LinkDouglas Van Dorn | Homepage

Send us a textJoin me in learning all about Satan, Demons & the supernatural realm! I, Cass, had a conversation with Doug Van Dorn exploring the biblical truths around Satan and the more sinister side of the supernatural realm. We trace origins and themes, characters and representations from Genesis through to Revelation. Giving us all a robust and thorough understanding of what it is we are up against and ultimately the victory that was won through Jesus Christ. This episode is a must for anyone wanting to build a christian foundation for investigating and understanding the supernatural world we find ourselves in. You can find Doug at https://www.douglasvandorn.com/Paper on the Sethite viewhttps://www.academia.edu/17793988/The_Indecent_Descent_of_the_Sethites_The_Provenance_of_the_Sethites_Interpretation_of_Genesis_6_1_4Can christians be possesed?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4adjze6nKr4Follow @hertheology on Instagram & YouTube. Head to hertheology.com to find out more.

Pastor, author, and ancient mysteries master Doug Van Dorn takes the mic for a mind-bending journey through the Serpent Mound of Bashan and the supernatural geography. Why did the ancient world build where they did? WE ARE GOING! That's right, BLURRY ISREAL 2026. Tickets go on sale for all members April 7th 2025 @7pm CT. What cosmic chessboard were the ancients playing on? And how does it all connect to giants, watchers, and spiritual warfare? From the heart of Bashan—territory of Og and the Rephaim—to modern-day revelations, Doug unpacks how the Bible isn't just a spiritual book... it's a map of contested realms. blurrycreatures.com/members Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Throughout history, mountains have held deep spiritual significance—serving as meeting places between heaven and earth, battlegrounds of supernatural warfare, and stages for divine encounters. From the Garden of Eden to Mount Sinai, from the transfiguration of Christ to the crucifixion, the Bible is filled with moments where mountains play a pivotal role in God's plan for humanity. But why? What is the deeper connection between these sacred heights and the cosmic battle between good and evil?In this episode of the Revelations Podcast, host Reagan Kramer welcomes back pastor, author, and theologian Doug Van Dorn for an eye-opening discussion on biblical mountains, the divine council, and the supernatural forces that have shaped human history. Together, they explore how God uses mountains as places of revelation, how fallen entities have sought to corrupt them, and how Jesus' ministry strategically reversed the destruction caused by the enemy.Whether you're a seasoned Bible scholar or just beginning to explore the deeper spiritual dimensions of scripture, this episode will leave you with a greater understanding of God's plan and the victory we have in Christ.Here are three reasons why you should listen to this episode:Gain a deeper understanding of the biblical significance of mountains and their connection to the supernatural realm.Learn about the concept of the divine council and how it relates to mythological entities like Zeus and Baal, and their connection to Satan.Reflect on the practical implications of understanding the supernatural worldview, particularly in terms of overcoming worry and trusting in God's control.Become Part of Our Mission! Support The Revelations Podcast:Your support fuels our mission to share transformative messages of hope and faith. Click here to learn how you can contribute and be part of this growing community!ResourcesMore from the Revelations Podcast hosted by Reagan Kramer: Website | Instagram | Apple Podcast | Youtube"Rings of Revelation" by Doug Van Dorn"Giant Sons of God" by Doug Van Dorn"The Unseen Real" — by Dr. Michael HeiserDoug Van Dorn: Website | InstagramGiant Steps Podcast - Apple Podcast | Spotify PodcastIron and Myth Podcast - YouTube Kingdoms Unveiled Podcast  - YouTube | Apple Podcast | Spotify PodcastBible VersesPsalm 82:1Isaiah 14:12-14Ezekiel 28Genesis 3:1Ezekiel 31Psalm 91Psalm 24Psalm 68Daniel 42 Peter 2:4Jude 1:6This Episode is brought to you by Advanced Medicine AlternativesGet back to the active life you love through natural & regenerative musculoskeletal healing: https://www.georgekramermd.com/Episode Highlights[0:44] Introduction to Doug Van Doren and his WorkA journey from Minneapolis to Denver shaped Doug Van Dorn's path as a pastor, author, and theologian dedicated to biblical mysteries and the supernatural.His extensive background includes roles as a scholar, radio host, CEO, mountain climber, and fellow at the Institute for Biblical Anthropology.Books like Rings of Revelation and Giant Sons of God, along with the Giant Steps podcast, dive deep into theological and supernatural themes.This episode unpacks key topics such as biblical mountains, divine encounters, and the ongoing spiritual battle between good and evil.[3:20] Significance of Mountains in the BibleBiblical events unfold on mountains, from Noah's Ark resting on Mount Ararat to the giving of the Ten Commandments on Mount Sinai.[4:46] Doug: “"Mountains are all over the place. And the question becomes, why would that be? And that's where you need to understand first of all, that God is meeting with people on all of these mountains.”The "axis mundi," a concept describing mountains as divine meeting points, reveals their role as a bridge between heaven and earth.Mountains hold significance not only in the Bible but also in global mythologies, including Mount Olympus and sacred Native American sites.Isaiah 14 introduces the “mount of assembly,” linking biblical mountains to divine councils where heavenly beings gather.[5:10] Divine Council and Mythological ConnectionsMountains serve as the setting for the divine council, where God meets with angels and heavenly beings to rule over creation.Ancient mythologies mirror biblical narratives, with figures like Zeus and Baal representing the same rebellious entity—Satan.Mount Zaphon, recognized as Baal's sacred mountain, connects directly to the divine council and the spiritual battle against false gods.The fall of Lucifer in Isaiah 14 echoes the rebellion of spiritual beings, linking the serpent in Eden to later deceptions throughout history.[17:42] Eden and the Divine CouncilThe Garden of Eden is depicted as a mountain, a place where heaven and earth intersect.Adam and Eve's use of fig leaves for covering may symbolize an early attempt to seek refuge in fallen supernatural beings.Satan's jealousy over humanity's God-given authority fueled his deception in Eden, setting the stage for spiritual warfare.The Edenic narrative connects to a larger biblical pattern of rebellion, redemption, and the ongoing struggle between good and evil.[24:01] The Post-Flood Rebellion and the Return of the NephilimFollowing the flood, fallen angels were imprisoned in "gloomy chains of darkness," as described in 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 6.Despite this judgment, the Nephilim reappear after the flood, indicating a renewed rebellion by supernatural forces.Ancient texts, including the Book of Enoch, describe how 200 fallen angels conspired to corrupt humanity.The struggle between God's people and these rebellious beings continues throughout Scripture, reinforcing the need for spiritual vigilance.[36:29] Moses, Mount Sinai, and the Law as a Divine RevelationMount Sinai is a sacred site where God revealed His law to Moses, establishing a covenant with Israel.Patterns in Scripture link Sinai to Eden and the future Temple, each acting as a central place of divine presence and instruction.The tabernacle mirrors the structure of the mountain, symbolizing levels of access to God's holiness.The law delivered at Sinai not only governed Israel but also foreshadowed Christ's fulfillment of righteousness.[40:16] The Golden Calf and IdolatryThe Israelites, fearing God's presence, attempted to worship Him through an idol, reshaping Him into something they could control.[41:02] Doug: “Idolatry is we're going to make that God that's up there come and be in this calf, so that we can somehow manipulate him because that's too terrifying for us.”The golden calf represented a common struggle—seeking to domesticate God rather than submitting to His true nature.Idolatry in all forms distorts faith, leading people to trust in tangible symbols rather than divine truth.Understanding this historical moment sheds light on the continuous human tendency to replace God with lesser things.[43:58] Jesus' Ministry and Supernatural BattlesEach phase of Jesus' ministry strategically dismantles Satan's authority over the world.[48:27] Doug: “Jesus's ministry is a multiple phased attack on Satan, and you have to understand some cosmic geography, and some of the motifs we've been talking about here are also very helpful.”The region of Bashan, known as "the land of the serpent," becomes the battleground where Christ begins His campaign against darkness.Key moments—including His temptation in the wilderness, His healing miracles, and His transfiguration—symbolize a reclaiming of territory from the enemy.Through these events, Jesus openly declares war on the forces of darkness, establishing His dominion over both heaven and earth.[52:48] Jesus' Death, Resurrection, and AscensionCalvary stands as the cosmic mountain where Jesus' sacrifice defeats sin and death.Descending into Hades, Christ proclaims victory and liberates those who awaited redemption.His resurrection seals His triumph, securing authority over all spiritual forces.By ascending to the right hand of God, Jesus asserts His role as the ultimate conqueror over evil.[57:10] Practical Implications of a Supernatural WorldviewThe desire for control, often expressed through worry and fear, stems from spiritual forces working against faith.Trusting in God's sovereignty dismantles the illusion of control and realigns believers with divine truth.Spiritual warfare manifests not only in extraordinary events but in daily battles over faith, trust, and obedience.Understanding Christ's victory allows believers to walk in peace, embracing their role in God's kingdom rather than being consumed by speculation about the future. About Doug Van Dorn Doug Van Dorn is a pastor, author, and theologian known for his deep exploration of biblical mysteries and the supernatural realm. With over two decades of pastoral experience, he has dedicated his work to uncovering the spiritual battles woven throughout Scripture, from the Nephilim and the Divine Council to the cosmic significance of mountains in biblical history. As the author of Giant Sons of God and Rings of Revelation, Doug bridges ancient texts, historical research, and theological insight to reveal the hidden layers of God's plan and the forces at work against it.Beyond writing, Doug is the host of the Giant Steps podcast and co-host of Iron and Myth, where he collaborates with other scholars to discuss the supernatural foundations of the Bible. A fellow at the Institute for Biblical Anthropology, he is also a speaker and researcher who challenges believers to embrace a biblical worldview that acknowledges the unseen realm. Whether teaching in his church or uncovering historical and theological connections, Doug's passion lies in equipping believers to discern truth, stand firm in faith, and understand how Jesus' ministry actively overcomes the darkness.Connect with Doug Van Dorn and explore his books, podcasts, and resources on his website.Enjoyed this Episode?If you did, subscribe and share it with your friends!Post a review and share it! If you found our deep dive into the spiritual influences on mental health insightful, we'd love to hear your thoughts. Leave a review and share this episode with friends and family. Uncover the hidden layers of biblical history and step into a deeper understanding of the supernatural realm. Strengthen your faith by recognizing the spiritual battles at play and discern truth from deception. Embrace victory that Christ has already won.Have any questions? You can connect with me on Instagram.Thank you for tuning in! For more updates, tune in on Apple Podcasts. 

In this replay episode of Theology Applied, Doug Van Dorn joins the show to explain the biblical account of the “divine council,” how this relates to the Greek mythology of Mt. Olympus, and how all of this set the stage for the origin of the Nephilim. Watch the whole series with Isker now by becoming a member at https://patreon.com/rightresponseministries Get your tickets now for our 2025 Conference. Christ Is King: How To Defeat Trash World at ⁠https://rightresponseconference.com⁠ *MINISTRY SPONSORS:* *Private Family Banking* How to Connect with Private Family Banking: 1. Send an email inquiry to banking@privatefamilybanking.com 2. Receive a FREE e-book entitled "How to Build Multi-Generational Wealth Outside of Wall Street and Avoid the Coming Banking Meltdown", by going to https://www.protectyourmoneynow.net 3. Set up a FREE Private Family Banking Discovery call using this link: https://calendly.com/familybankingnow/30min *Reece Fund.* Christian Capital. Boldly Deployed https://www.reecefund.com/ Paxmail.CC: Drive, Docs, Email For A Free People Visit https://paxmail.cc/ *Squirrelly Joes Coffee - Caffeinating The Modern Reformation* Our audience can get a free bag of coffee (just pay shipping) by visiting ⁠https://squirrellyjoes.com/rightresponse ⁠ *The Word Soap* https://thewordsoap.com

In this members episode, we sit down with Pastor Doug Van Dorn to explore the fascinating role trees play in the Bible. From the Tree of Life in Eden to the Cross at Calvary, trees hold deep symbolic meaning throughout Scripture. Pastor Doug takes us on a journey through these biblical references, unpacking their spiritual significance. We also delve into a fun, imaginative comparison—could the majestic trees in the Bible have inspired the Ents, the ancient tree-like beings from The Lord of the Rings? Join us for a thought-provoking discussion that blends theology, nature, and a bit of fantasy lore. become a member: blurrycreatures.com/members Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Who is Melchizedek? On this special episode we welcome back guest Doug Van Dorn, a respected author and pastor known for his insightful biblical studies. Together, we explore the intriguing figure of Melchizedek—mentioned in Genesis, Psalms, and Hebrews—and unpack the theological significance of this enigmatic priest-king. Doug sheds light on how the Order of Melchizedek connects to Christ, offering fresh perspectives on its role in biblical prophecy and spiritual authority. Whether you're a seasoned theologian or simply curious about biblical mysteries, this conversation will deepen your understanding of one of the Bible's most fascinating figures. COSTA RICA TICKETS! https://www.eventcreate.com/e/costarica2025 You can get our book of Enoch here: https://amzn.to/3xriiUB Support the show! www.blurrycreatures.com/members Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com & Parker Mogensen Outro Song: On the Run by TimeCop1983 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Send us a Text Message.Have you ever wondered where Goliath came from? Or why the story of David and Goliath is in the Bible beyond just being a moral lesson? What if the giants mentioned in Genesis 6, the Nephilim, held deeper, more unsettling truths? Join us as we explore these questions with Douglas Van Dorn, the author of "Giants: Sons of the Gods." We'll discuss:-The origins and significance of giants in the Bible: Why are they mentioned, and what is their importance in biblical history?-The mysterious Nephilim: What does Genesis 6 reveal about these supernatural beings?-Goliath and his brothers: Did you know Goliath had siblings, including one with 24 fingers and toes? What is their ancestry, and why does it matter?-The resurgence of interest among Bible-believing scholars: Why is the ancient view of the Nephilim making a comeback, and what does it mean for our understanding of Scripture?-The invisible, supernatural storyline: How does understanding the giants and the Nephilim change our perspective on the ministry and work of Jesus Christ?Douglas Van Dorn (M.Div. Denver Seminary)  @GiantStepsPodcast is the author or editor of over a dozen books including Giants: Sons of the Gods; The Unseen Realm Q & A Companion; The Angel of the LORD: A Biblical, Historical, and Theological Study; Christ in the Old Testament: Promised, Patterned, and Present; Conspiracy Theory: A Christian Evaluation of a Taboo Subject; Five Solas of the Reformation; and Waters of Creation: A Biblical Theology of Baptism. Doug has pastored the Reformed Baptist Church of Northern Colorado since 2002. He helped start the Reformed Baptist Network and has served on boards of two associations of churches. He has co-hosted the radio show Journey's End in 2011-12; the Peeranormal Podcast with Dr. Michael Heiser (2016-21), the Iron and Myth Podcast (current), and has been a guest on numerous shows.Giants: Sons of the Gods - https://a.co/d/7sKEt3n

Doug Van Dorn's Website for books and podcast Giant Steps www.douglasvandorn.com In this episode of Coffee House Theology, we cover many topics, from Giants in the Bible, to Extra-Biblical Literature, Aliens, AI, and Conspiracy theories just to name a few. Please Subscribe, Like, and Share this episode with the people you love and those you don't. #moscowmood #dougwilson #sonsofgod #giants #podcast #alien #reformedbaptist #theologian #covenanttheology --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/theologymatters/support

In this episode of Theology Applied, Doug Van Dorn joins the show to explain the biblical account of the “divine counsel,” and how it relates to the nephilim.Ministry Sponsors: PaxMail - Email & Docs For A Free People Use the link below for a special offer of $5 per month: https://paxmail.cc/?ref=rrmfiver Squirrelly Joes Coffee - Caffeinating The Modern Reformation Get 20% off your first order by using code RRM: ⁠https://squirrellyjoes.com/rightresponse ⁠ Private Family Banking Contact a Private Family Banking professional via email at banking@privatefamilybanking.com OR Call them directly at 830-339-9472. Subscribe to our Theology Applied podcast below: Apple podcast: https://bit.ly/theologyapplied Spotify podcast: https://bit.ly/theologyappliedspotify Google Play podcast: https://bit.ly/theologyappliedgooglepodcast *If you live in the Austin area, Pastor Joel just started planting a brand new church called Covenant Bible Church in Georgetown, Texas. He would love for you to come visit on a Sunday. Check out the church's website for details: https://covenantbible.org/

In this enlightening episode of "The Sensible Hippie Podcast," host Miya welcomes Doug Van Dorn, a renowned author and pastor known for his deep insights into biblical studies, theology, and the mysterious realms of the Nephilim and giants in ancient texts. Together, we embark on a journey through the depths of scripture and beyond, exploring Doug's intriguing research and perspectives that challenge conventional interpretations. Discover the intersections between spirituality, ancient lore, and modern-day beliefs as we dive into discussions that illuminate the often-overlooked corners of biblical scholarship. Whether you're a theology enthusiast, a seeker of hidden truths, or simply curious about the giants of old, this episode promises to offer a fascinating blend of knowledge, wisdom, and thought-provoking dialogue. #TheSensibleHippiePodcast #DougVanDorn #BiblicalMysteries #Nephilim #GiantsInScripture #TheologyTalk #AncientTexts #SpiritualJourney #HiddenTruths #BiblicalScholarship Doug Van Dorn, Biblical studies, Theology, Nephilim, Giants, Ancient lore, Spiritual insights, Scripture interpretation, Controversial topics, Scholarly discussion Dorn's website: https://www.douglasvandorn.com Intro music: PALA Imagination Intro music: ImaginationPALA Outro music:  Just Look Up End Song: Repeating DIZZIE Angel of the Lord Book mentioned in the podcast --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/sensiblehippie/message

Are there female angels? In this episode, join Dr. Judd Burton and Doug Van Dorn as they delve into the intriguing exploration of female deities and goddesses in ancient traditions, drawing connections to biblical narratives. Unravel the mysteries surrounding these powerful figures, as the hosts navigate through history, mythology, and religious texts. Support the show! www.blurrycreatures.com/members Intro Song: Dreamkid83 Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com

Today on the podcast Jenny welcomes co-host Pastor Mark Hammer, and guest, Pastor Doug Van Dorn to the show to break down Revelation 20. “Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.” Revelation‬ ‭20‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭ Join us for an amazing conversation as Doug breaks down Revelation 20 and the concept of Satan being bound. He uses scriptural evidence to answer the questions: When did this happen or has it even happened yet? Is Satan bound now? What does thousand actually mean? Douglas Van Dorn is the author or editor of over a dozen books including Giants: Sons of the Gods; The Unseen Realm Q & A Companion; The Angel of the LORD, and so many more. Doug has pastored the Reformed Baptist Church of Northern Colorado since 2002 and He helped start the Reformed Baptist Network. He has co-hosted the radio show Journey's End in 2011-12; the Peeranormal Podcast with Dr. Michael Heiser (2016-21),and currently hosts his new podcast Giant Steps. You can find Doug at his website www.douglasvandorn.com Mark Hammer has been in full time ministry with his amazing wife, Lindsey for almost 18 years. He is currently one of the teaching pastors at North Summit Church in northern Idaho and has been pastoring there since 2014. Mark also oversees the Community Team of staff who head up the major connection and discipling environments at the church. In his spare time, he loves being with his family, reading books, discussing the Bible, and hiking and backpacking while searching for bigfoot.  Learn more about The Rooted Truth Revelation Study here.

Today on the podcast Jenny welcomes co-host Pastor Mark Hammer, and guest, Pastor Doug Van Dorn to the show to break down Revelation 20. “Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.” Revelation‬ ‭20‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭ Join us for an amazing conversation as Doug breaks down Revelation 20 and the concept of Satan being bound. He uses scriptural evidence to answer the questions: When did this happen or has it even happened yet? Is Satan bound now? What does thousand actually mean? Douglas Van Dorn is the author or editor of over a dozen books including Giants: Sons of the Gods; The Unseen Realm Q & A Companion; The Angel of the LORD, and so many more. Doug has pastored the Reformed Baptist Church of Northern Colorado since 2002 and He helped start the Reformed Baptist Network. He has co-hosted the radio show Journey's End in 2011-12; the Peeranormal Podcast with Dr. Michael Heiser (2016-21),and currently hosts his new podcast Giant Steps. You can find Doug at his website www.douglasvandorn.com Mark Hammer has been in full time ministry with his amazing wife, Lindsey for almost 18 years. He is currently one of the teaching pastors at North Summit Church in northern Idaho and has been pastoring there since 2014. Mark also oversees the Community Team of staff who head up the major connection and discipling environments at the church. In his spare time, he loves being with his family, reading books, discussing the Bible, and hiking and backpacking while searching for bigfoot.  Learn more about The Rooted Truth Revelation Study here.

Tune in as Rudy Landa talks about his new film Angels & Giants: The Watchers & The Nephilim. Doug Van Dorn joins the episode to talk about his involvement in the film. This is a new four-part documentary series filmed across five continents and includes four one-hour episodes. Whether you're a history buff, a biblical scholar, or simply curious about the mysteries of the past, this episode promises to ignite your imagination and leave you pondering the secrets that history continues to unfold. www.blurrycreatures.com/members

Douglas Van Dorn is a Christian, husband, father, son, brother, in-law, pastor, friend, fifth generation native Coloradan, published author, blogger, podcaster, radio host, CEO, mountain climber, biker, scholar, theologian, thinker, teacher, Fellow at the Institute for Biblical Anthropology, entrepreneur, amateur archeologist, conservative, lover of all things strange and supernatural, conspiracy theorist. His book, “Giants, Sons of the Gods,” although controversial, looks at passages in the Bible that seem to discuss the existence of giants and their originsAccording to the book synopsis on Amazon, “This book delves deep into the dark and ancient recesses of our past to bring you rich treasures long buried. It is a carefully researched, heavily footnoted, and selectively illustrated story of the giants of the Bible. There is more here than meets the eye, much more. Here you will learn the invisible, supernatural storyline of the Bible that is always just beneath the surface, lurking like the spawn of the ancient leviathan. It is a storyline no person can afford to ignore any longer.” Website douglasvandorn.com Book Giants, Sons of the Gods

Join us as we sit down with researcher, pastor, and author Doug Van Dorn and talk about his book Conspiracy Theory. We glaze over a lot of topics here from 9/11 to Biblical Conspiracies.http://www.prometheuslenspodcast.comDoug's Books:Amazon.com: Douglas Van Dorn: books, biography, latest update

Join us as we sit down with pastor/author/researcher Doug Vam Dorn and talk about his book Conspiracy Theory, and discuss various conspiracy "theories".This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/4656375/advertisement

Join us as we sit down with researcher, pastor, and author Doug Van Dorn and talk about his book Conspiracy Theory. We glaze over a lot of topics here from 9/11 to Biblical Conspiracies.http://www.prometheuslenspodcast.comDoug's Books:Amazon.com: Douglas Van Dorn: books, biography, latest update

In this episode hosts Brandon and Lindsy are joined by their unrefined friend and guest Doug Van Dorn. They discuss a range of topics, including Doug's upcoming podcast "Giant Steps," the symbolism of the number 70 in connection to the 70 nations mentioned in Genesis, and the transfiguration story in Luke 9 and 10. They explore the concept of the divine council and its relevance to the fall of Satan and the reclaiming of the heavenly sons of God. The conversation also touches on conspiracy theories, discernment, masks, mental illness, and the importance of being informed about culture and society. https://www.douglasvandorn.com/https://unrefinedpodcast.com[00:00:56] Doug's upcoming podcast "Giant Steps"[00:03:38] Doug's paper on the transfiguration story [00:08:09] The connection between the 70 disciples sent out by Jesus and the symbolism of the 70 nations mentioned in Genesis.[00:12:01] The connection between Mount Hermon and the number 70[00:13:18] The symbolism of Satan falling like lightning [00:15:48] Event of Satan's fall and its significance in relation to Psalm 89 and the divine council.[00:23:29] Discussion of the author, covenant, and witnesses in the divine counsel in Psalm 89.[00:27:34] Different theories of the atonement [00:35:13]The wildfires in Maui [00:40:03] Conspiracy Theories and Rational Thinking [00:41:24] Reflection on the inconsistency of believing in total depravity but dismissing the existence of conspiracies.[00:49:28] The importance of presuppositions [00:51:54] The high view of scripture and belonging to another kingdom [00:54:00] Challenging and evaluating one's worldview [00:58:25] Discussion on the obligation of Christians to be informed about what's happening in the culture and the responsibility to be involved in the public sphere.[01:00:56] The significance of creating a church culture that allows for freedom of thought and questioning without shaming or mocking individuals.[01:04:19] Staying centered on the gospel This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/4656375/advertisement

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Doug Van Dorn returns to show to discuss the enemy. If there is a kingdom of darkness and an army of evil spiritual forces making war on the righteous, then there is inevitably a hierarchy of command and leadership. The bible speaks of an enemy of our soul, and while there are many specifics in the text about this entity, he goes by many names across the millennia. The ancients called him the Nahash, the Dragon, the Accuser, the Devil, the Satan, Lucifer, and the Adversary, among other titles, including the Prince of Darkness. Who is this entity? Is he a singular fallen angel or are there multiple entities that take on these roles and names? Author, pastor, researcher and frequent guest of the show, Doug Van Dorn helps us unpack the biblical information to better understand our enemy and gain a greater perspective on his identity, tactics and plan to corrupt and destroy humanity. Intro song: The Midnight Nocturnal contact: blurrycreaturespodcast@gmail.com blurrycreatures.com Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Mastering: ironwingstudios.com Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com

Our recurring guest and friend, Doug Van Dorn shares his unique perspective on eschatology and the Book of Revelation. He explains the concept of two ages, the present age and the age to come, and how it relates to understanding eschatology. Doug delves into the significance of the millennium in the pre-millennial view and its purpose for Jesus to rule as king before the eternal state is established. He also discusses the different ways to interpret the Book of Revelation, emphasizing the importance of reading it cyclically or chiastically rather than chronologically. Doug's insights provide a thought-provoking and comprehensive understanding of the end times.https://www.douglasvandorn.com/https://unrefinedpodcast.comTimestamps| 0:01:46 | Speculation on the economy and politics | 0:02:41 | Fifth generation warfare and controlling the mind | 0:04:28 | Living in unprecedented times | 0:06:11 | Uncertainty about the end times | 0:07:26 | Living in interesting times, different than expectations | 0:10:23 | Different views on eschatology | 0:11:21 | Different millennial views and Doug's journey | 0:14:00 | Different views on the millennium | 0:15:00 | Two ages and the overlap | 0:19:41 | Different views on the purpose of the millennium | 0:20:37 | Chiasm and cycles in the Book of Revelation | 0:36:38 | Importance of understanding chiasm and cycles in Revelation | 0:43:33 | Chiasm and cycles in the Book of Revelation | 0:44:05 | Revelation as a chiasm and the Garden of Eden parallel | [0:44:33] | Different battles and judgment days in Revelation | [0:45:25] | Revelation's internal clues for reading it cyclically | [0:49:00] | Invitation to explore different views of eschatology | [0:51:18] | Different millennial views and their historical origins | [0:57:39] | The parallel structure of the Gospel of John and Revelation | [1:03:05] | The earthly counterpart of Revelation is the Gospel of John | [1:14:00] | The disenchantment with dispensationalism and exploration of other views | [1:20:00] | The overlap of the present age and the age to come | [1:25:45] | Importance of reading Revelation chiastically and cyclically | [1:28:45] | The importance of understanding the cultural context and literary style | [1:45:25] | The purpose of the millennium in pre-millennialism | [1:49:00] | Conclusion and invitation to explore eschatology further | [1:28:20] | The new Jerusalem and the camp of the saints in Revelation 20 | [1:29:04] | Jesus says his church is the Temple | [1:30:15] | The New Jerusalem replaces the temple | [1:30:40] | The chiasm in Revelation connects the new Jerusalem and the seven churches | [1:31:11] | The new Jerusalem is already here but has a future reality | [1:35:41] | Different ways of reading Revelation: futurist, predatorist, historicist | [1:37:12] | The strengths of Amillennialism in incorporating different views | [1:39:03] | Eschatology should not be used to interpret current events | [1:42:55] | The importance of grounding theology in the word of God | [1:45:30] | Conclusion and gratitude for the discussion on eschatologyThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/4656375/advertisement

SPECIAL GUEST!! Doug Van Dorn!!  “When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them,  the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose.  Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not abide in1 man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.”  The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.” Genesis 6: 1-4  The Sethite Theory of Genesis chapter 6 asserts that the “Sons of God” are mere humans (the sons of Seth), not angelic beings, despite all of the clear evidence to the contrary, and that the “daughters of men” really meant the evil daughters of Cain. This view is unfortunately the dominant interpretation and what is taught to most seminary students, which means the pastor of your local church was likely taught this errant view. It is in conflict with history, with sound hermeneutics and exegesis, and with the rest of the biblical narrative, and even conflicts with the views of Paul, Peter, Jude, and Jesus himself.   We're joined by pastor and author Doug Van Dorn as he helps us unpack many of the details of why the Supernatural interpretation of Genesis 6 was the dominant historical view and the correct exegetical view, and that the “Sons of God” really are divine being that came to earth, procreated with human women, and bore the Nephilim, the “men of renown”, which are the Giants. We also discuss some of the weak reasons for why the naturalistic views (namely, the Sethite Theory) fail to pass muster when it comes to historical and biblical scrutiny, and that there was nefarious intent, whether on purpose or not, to discredit Jesus as the Messiah, and to profane the Just, Holy, and Loving God of the Bible as a murderous genocidal maniac when he caused the Flood and ordered the wars against the Giants in Canaan, when in fact, God was preserving the pure human genome of Noah in order to bring our Savior to earth to ransom us from sin and death.  Please consider a few dollars a month in gratitude/support for our podcast (support link at the bottom). To create 4 episodes a month takes an average of 40 hours to research, record, and produce, sometimes more. If you find value in our work and would like to help support us, please click the DONATE link below. Thanks very much!! -Luke and Pete  Feel free to contact us with any questions or comments for the show!           Email us at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠thedaysofnoahpodcast@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠           We'd love to hear from you! Thanks for listening- we appreciate each and every one of you out there. Don't forget to like, share, and subscribe, and tell your friends and family about the show, and leave us a five-star review, which helps to spread the show to others!     Original Music by BassManPete            Cover art is of Mt. Hermon, site of the Watcher's descent, photo credit: By Almog - Own work, Public Domain, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=2181987⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thedaysofnoah/support

Make sure to join our community -> https://unrefined-podcast.com/member-areaDoug Van Dorn joins the podcast to discuss his recent travels to Israel and exploration of the stars. Take a listen to understand the importance! Timestamps0:00:10Interview with Pastor Doug Van Dorn: Reflections on His Trip to Israel0:05:28Exploring the Wheel of the Giants in Israel 0:09:03Exploring Ancient Wonders of the World and Astronomy0:10:24Conversation on the Astronomical Alignments of the Wheel of Giants and Serpent Mound0:12:52Exploring the Theology of Astrology: A Discussion on Romans 10:18 and Psalm 190:18:31Discussion on the Origin of the Zodiac and its Relationship to the Gospel0:20:14Exploring the Intersection of Astronomy and Theology in the Bible0:23:02"Exploring the Difference Between Astronomy and Astrology"0:27:24Daniel's Role as an Astrologer0:29:14Exploring the Astrological Prophecy of Jesus' Birth0:34:06Analysis of Revelation 12: Astronomical Significance of the Star of Bethlehem0:36:20Discussion of Astronomy and Astrology in the Bible0:43:22Exploring the Ancient Use of Constellations to Navigate the Earth0:45:22Conversation on the Seven Churches of Asia Minor and the Israelites' Awareness of Celestial Alignments0:47:36Analysis of the Biblical Text and Targum Regarding the Four Tribes of Israel0:50:51"Exploring the Significance of the Number Twelve in the Bible"0:52:42Discussion on Astronomy, Astrology, and the Occultic Symbol of the Cube0:55:31Conversation on the Redemptive Nature of God and His Creation0:57:16The Measure of All Things: Exploring the Significance of Man in the Glory of Christ1:02:44Conversation on Amos 5:26 and Stephen's Reference to Remphan and the Star of David1:04:59Significance of the Star of David

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GIANTS OF MYTH are described in surprisingly similar terms all over the world, from Mesopotamia to Mesoamerica. There is a reason for that.Doug Van Dorn, pastor of the Reformed Baptist Church of Northern Colorado in Boulder, joins us to discuss his revised and expanded edition of his groundbreaking book, Giants: Sons of the Gods. Yes, the giants in the Bible were real, and they're important. Ignoring the Nephilim, as the modern Christian church usually does, leaves a gaping hole in our theology.

Welcome to PsychEd — the psychiatry podcast for medical learners, by medical learners. This episode covers the “big picture” relationship between violence and severe mental illnesses such as schizophrenia and bipolar spectrum disorders. Our guest experts in this episode are Dr. Robert McMaster, Assistant Professor of Forensic Psychiatry at the University of Toronto and Dr. Ragy R. Girgis, Associate Professor of Clinical Psychiatry at Columbia University in New York. This episode is a good companion to Episode 15: Managing Aggression and Agitation with Dr. Jodi Lofchy, which covers how to identify and manage acute risk of violence in a clinical setting. The learning objectives for this episode are as follows: By the end of this episode, you should be able to… Describe the epidemiology of violence in severe mental illness (rates of perpetration vs. victimization, risk factors, quality of evidence)  Understand and critique how society currently addresses violence in those with severe mental illness  Discuss this topic with patients, caregivers and the public, and address common myths  Guests:  Dr. Robert McMaster - Assistant Professor of Forensic Psychiatry at the University of Toronto Dr. Ragy R. Girgis - Associate Professor of Clinical Psychiatry at Columbia University in New York Hosts: Dr. Alex Raben (Staff Psychiatrist), Dr. Gaurav Sharma (PGY4), Sena Gok(IMG), Josh Benchaya (CC4) Audio editing by: Gaurav Sharma Show notes by: Josh Benchaya, Gaurav Sharma, Sena Gok   Interview Content:   Learning Objectives: 02:29 Perceptions of Violence and Mental Illness: 03:53 Mental illness & Violence Link Evidence: 06:48 Violence Perpetration & Victimisation: 10:10 Risk of Violence Assessment (HCR 20 Model): 17:00 Mass Shootings & Mental Illness & Predictions: 20:30 Violence Risk Prediction: 25:25 Severe Mental Illness & Violence Risk Treatments: 29:40 Society's approach to Severe Mental Illness & Violence Misperceptions: 38:30 Mental Illness and Violence Stigma: 45:03 Case Vignette & Approach: 46:44 Summary of the episode: 58:00   References:   de Mooij, L.D., Kikkert, M., Lommerse, N.M., Peen, J., Meijwaard, S.C., Theunissen, J., Duurkoop, P.W., Goudriaan, A.E., Van, H.L., Beekman, A.T. and Dekker, J.J., 2015. Victimization in adults with severe mental illness: prevalence and risk factors. The British Journal of Psychiatry, 207(6), pp.515-522. Desmarais, S. L., Van Dorn, R. A., Johnson, K. L., Grimm, K. J., Douglas, K. S., & Swartz, M. S. (2014). Community violence perpetration and victimization among adults with mental illnesses. American journal of public health, 104(12), 2342-2349. Metzl, J.M., Piemonte, J. and McKay, T., 2021. Mental illness, mass shootings, and the future of psychiatric research into American gun violence. Harvard review of psychiatry, 29(1), p.81.   Buchanan, A., Sint, K., Swanson, J. and Rosenheck, R., 2019. Correlates of future violence in people being treated for schizophrenia. American Journal of Psychiatry, 176(9), pp.694-701.   Rund, B.R., 2018. A review of factors associated with severe violence in schizophrenia. Nordic journal of psychiatry, 72(8), pp.561-571.   Markowitz FE. Mental illness, crime, and violence: Risk, context, and social control. Aggress Violent Behav. 2011 Jan 1;16(1):36–44.   Pescosolido BA, Manago B, Monahan J. Evolving Public Views On The Likelihood Of Violence From People With Mental Illness: Stigma And Its Consequences. Health Aff Proj Hope. 2019 Oct;38(10):1735–43.   Ross AM, Morgan AJ, Jorm AF, Reavley NJ. A systematic review of the impact of media reports of severe mental illness on stigma and discrimination, and interventions that aim to mitigate any adverse impact. Soc Psychiatry Psychiatr Epidemiol. 2019 Jan 1;54(1):11–31.   Srivastava K, Chaudhury S, Bhat PS, Mujawar S. Media and mental health. Ind Psychiatry J. 2018;27(1):1–5.   Stuart H. Media portrayal of mental illness and its treatments: what effect does it have on people with mental illness? CNS Drugs. 2006;20(2):99–106.   Rowaert S, Vandevelde S, Lemmens G, Audenaert K. How family members of mentally ill offenders experience the internment measure and (forensic) psychiatric treatment in Belgium: A qualitative study. Int J Law Psychiatry. 2017;54:76–82.   Bjørn Rishovd Rund (2018) A review of factors associated with severe violence in schizophrenia, Nordic Journal of Psychiatry, 72:8, 561-571, DOI: 10.1080/08039488.2018.1497199  References cited by our experts:   Steadman, H.J., Monahan, J., Pinals, D.A., Vesselinov, R. and Robbins, P.C., 2015. Gun violence and victimization of strangers by persons with a mental illness: data from the MacArthur Violence Risk Assessment Study. Psychiatric services, 66(11), pp.1238-1241. [00:05:26]   Appelbaum PS, Robbins PC, Monahan J. Violence and delusions: data from the MacArthur Violence Risk Assessment Study. Am J Psychiatry. 2000 Apr;157(4):566-72. doi: 10.1176/appi.ajp.157.4.566. PMID: 10739415. [00:05:26]   Torrey EF, Stanley J, Monahan J, Steadman HJ; MacArthur Study Group. The MacArthur Violence Risk Assessment Study revisited: two views ten years after its initial publication. Psychiatr Serv. 2008 Feb;59(2):147-52. doi: 10.1176/ps.2008.59.2.147. 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Mass murders involving firearms and other methods in school, college, and university settings: findings from the Columbia Mass Murder Database. Journal of forensic sciences. [00:25:11]       CPA Note: The views expressed in this podcast do not necessarily reflect those of the Canadian Psychiatric Association. For more PsychEd, follow us on Twitter (@psychedpodcast), Facebook (PsychEd Podcast), and Instagram (@psyched.podcast). You can provide feedback by email at psychedpodcast@gmail.com. For more information, visit our website at psychedpodcast.org.  

Join us as we dig into the old testament with Pastor Doug Van Dorn, as we show the appearance of Jesus as the Angel of the LORD, and even talk about the arch angel Michael and the meaning of his name.

Join us as we interview Pastor Doug Van Dorn in a group podcast with Strange O'Clock Podcast, The Rock with Kenny Seay, The Rundown of Our Reality Rumble channel, Unrefined Podcast, and Nickthezip12 Tik Tok channel as we discuss giants, Nephilim, angels, demons and the divine council worldview! Please send us an email for feedback, to be a guest on the show, or have a topic idea! We'd love to hear from you! Please check out Pastor Doug's website: douglasvandorn.com To support the show, please donate any amount on PayPal to paypal.me./thaigirl4god or thaigirl4god@yahoo.com

Join us as we interview Pastor Doug Van Dorn in a group podcast with Strange O'Clock Podcast, The Rock with Kenny Seay, The Rundown of Our Reality Rumble channel, Unrefined Podcast, and Nickthezip12 Tik Tok channel as we discuss giants, Nephilim, angels, demons and the divine council worldview! Please send us an email for feedback, to be a guest on the show, or have a topic idea! We'd love to hear from you! Please check out Pastor Doug's website: douglasvandorn.com To support the show, please donate any amount on PayPal to paypal.me./thaigirl4god or thaigirl4god@yahoo.com

Did you guys catch the "Angel of the LORD" episode with Doug Van Dorn from the end of season 1?! If you did you are missing out!! Go screw on that one while you wait for the new episode to drop, you won't regret it!!

Join us on this dig through the very fascinating subject of appearances of Jesus in the Old Testament. Doug Van Dorn sat down with us as we picked apart this essential book for any Christian.

VOL. IV, No. 3 CONTENTS DECEMBER, 1930 COVER DESIGN H. W. WESSOLOWSKI Painted in Oils from a Scene in “The Ape-Men of Xlotli.” SLAVES OF THE DUST SOPHIE WENZEL ELLIS 295 Fate's Retribution Was Adequate. There Emerged a Rat with a Man's Head and Face. THE PIRATE PLANET CHARLES W. DIFFIN 310 It is War. Interplanetary War. And on Far-Distant Venus Two Fighting Earthlings Stand Up Against a Whole Planet Run Amuck. (Part Two of a Four-Part Novel.) THE SEA TERROR CAPTAIN S. P. MEEK 336 The Trail of Mystery Gold Leads Carnes and Dr. Bird to a Tremendous Monster of the Deep. GRAY DENIM HARL VINCENT 354 The Blood of the Van Dorn's Ran in Karl's Veins. He Rode the Skies Like an Avenging God. THE APE-MEN OF XLOTLI DAVID R. SPARKS 370 A Beautiful Face in the Depths of a Geyser—and Kirby Plunges into a Desperate Mid-Earth Conflict with the Dreadful Feathered Serpent. (A Complete Novelette.) THE READERS' CORNER ALL OF US 421 A Meeting place for Readers of Astounding Stories.

Author, podcaster, and theologian Doug Van Dorn returns to the show to explore his research on biblical prophecy. Ancient civilizations had an extremely advanced understanding of the movement of the stars and the procession of the skies--so much so that cities, megaliths, and other structures were built and designed to mirror the heavens. What did biblical writers know about the heavens that we do not? What is astral prophecy? How can Christians understand what the ancients did about the movement of stars and 'signs' in the heavens? Is any of this related to the watchers and the fallen sons of god? guest: douglasvandorn.com Intro song: Boy Meets Girl: "Waiting for a star to fall" contact: blurrycreaturespodcast@gmail.com blurrycreatures.com Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Mastering: ironwingstudios.com Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com

The duo of all duos, Dr. Judd Burton & Doug Van Dorn return for an epic Part III in their series. These two titans of the Blurryverse are working together in real life on a published work of a previously undiscovered serpent mound in the Holy Land. What are serpent mounds and what is the history of these enigmatic structures? Why do they show up all over the world, across different cultures, and thousands of miles apart--and yet bare striking similarities? What is the purpose of these earthworks? Dr. Judd Burton and Doug Van Dorn take us on an unforgettable journey to the epicenter of serpent worship and into the biblical land of giants in Bashan. Guest: Doug Van Dorn http://douglasvandorn.com Dr. Judd Burton http://burtonbeyond.com contact: blurrycreaturespodcast@gmail.com blurrycreatures.com Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Mastering: ironwingstudios.com Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com

This week a look at the documentary, “Who Killed Lt. VanDorn?”In a January 2014 training exercise off the coast of Virginia, pilot Lt. Wes VanDorn, his co-pilot Lt. Sean Snyder, and Petty Officer 3rd Class Brian Collins died when VanDorn's MH-53E Sea Dragon helicopter caught fire and crashed into the frigid Atlantic. The MH-53E is the Navy's largest, oldest, and most deadly aircraft.Today, we speak with Zach Stauffer, director of the feature documentary, “Who Killed Lt. VanDorn?” which explores Wes's story and the investigation into why this aging aircraft with a known deadly track record continues to fly.We are also joined by Wes' widow Nicole VanDorn whose efforts helped spur the inquiry into the institutional failings that led to her husband's death, and by Chris Humme, Navy mechanic and aircraft maintainer on the MH-53E."Who Killed Lt. Van Dorn?"Currently available on AmazonAlso available on iTunesSubscribe to the RealClearDefense Podcast "Hot Wash"Subscribe to the Morning Recon newsletter for a daily roundup of news and opinion on the issues that matter for military, defense, veteran affairs, and national security.

This week a look at the documentary, “Who Killed Lt. VanDorn?”In a January 2014 training exercise off the coast of Virginia, pilot Lt. Wes VanDorn, his co-pilot Lt. Sean Snyder, and Petty Officer 3rd Class Brian Collins died when VanDorn's MH-53E Sea Dragon helicopter caught fire and crashed into the frigid Atlantic. The MH-53E is the Navy's largest, oldest, and most deadly aircraft.Today, we speak with Zach Stauffer, director of the feature documentary, “Who Killed Lt. VanDorn?” which explores Wes's story and the investigation into why this aging aircraft with a known deadly track record continues to fly.We are also joined by Wes' widow Nicole VanDorn whose efforts helped spur the inquiry into the institutional failings that led to her husband's death, and by Chris Humme, Navy mechanic and aircraft maintainer on the MH-53E."Who Killed Lt. Van Dorn?" Currently available on AmazonAlso available on iTunesSubscribe to the RealClearDefense Podcast "Hot Wash"Subscribe to the Morning Recon newsletter for a daily roundup of news and opinion on the issues that matter for military, defense, veteran affairs, and national security.