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Send us Fan MailOn this episode of the Talking Pools Podcast, Rudy dives headfirst into one of the most controversial chemistry and regulatory topics currently shaking the pool industry: sodium bromide, EPA labeling law, and the reality of enforcement under FIFRA regulations.This episode is not speculation, fearmongering, or internet rumor. It is a detailed breakdown of what the EPA label changes actually mean, how pesticide law works in the real world, the difference between civil and criminal enforcement, and why documentation—not chemistry testing—is often what creates liability exposure for pool professionals.But the conversation doesn't stop there. Rudy takes listeners deep into the science of algae remediation, cyanobacteria biofilms, ammonium sulfate systems, polyquat chemistry, copper ionization, oxidizer sequencing, and why “black algae” was never one singular organism to begin with.From mustard algae treatments and chloramine chemistry to Nostoc, Oscillatoria, Lingbya, EPS biofilm structures, cyanotoxins, circulation dead spots, and why most pool pros have unknowingly been fighting infrastructure rather than algae itself, this episode tears apart decades of pool industry myths and marketing shortcuts.The show also includes major industry news updates involving Leslie's stock movement, Swimpley rental regulation battles in Minnesota, Department of Energy pool pump compliance relief secured by the Pool & Hot Tub Alliance, Mentor of the Year sponsorship announcements, and giveaway winners from the Talking Pools community. Show Notes Rudy clarifies the episode is a factual discussion about EPA labeling law and not legal advice  Breakdown of the EPA sodium bromide outdoor pool labeling restriction  Explanation of how FIFRA pesticide law makes label instructions legally enforceable  Discussion about bromate formation concerns and the EPA's regulatory reasoning  Why the sodium bromide “ban” is technically a labeling restriction rather than a criminal prohibition  The difference between low enforcement probability and actual legality  How modern enforcement actions often originate from invoices, logs, social media posts, videos, and digital records rather than physical pool testing  The major differences between residential pool enforcement risk and commercial aquatic facility exposure  Civil penalties versus criminal enforcement under FIFRA regulations  Real-world liability concerns tied to knowingly using products off-label  How lawsuits and insurance investigations can expose undocumented chemical practices  Leslie's stock movement and what it may indicate about broader consumer confidence in the pool industry  2026 Talking Pools Podcast Mentor of the Year Award updates and sponsor announcements  Jack's Magic and Revved Up Apparel giveaway winners announced  Minnesota regulators continuing efforts to classify Swimpley rental pools as public/commercial pools  Potential nationwide implications of app-based pool rental regulation  PHTA secures Department of Energy compliance relief regarding new pool pump motor regulations  Discussion surrounding supply chain concerns and delayed enforcement deadlines through 2029  Deep dive into sodium bromide chemistry and bromine sanitizer formation  How ammonium sulfate products like Yellow Out actually function chemically  Why ammonium sulfate systems create aggressive oxidation environments and massive chlorine demand  Chloramine formation explained in the context of algae eradication chemistry  Why mustard algae often responds dramatically to oxidizer amplification treatments  Traditional quats versus Polyquat 60 chemistry explained  Why cheap quaternary algaecides foam aggressively in swimming pools  The structural advantages of Polyquat 60's polymeric chemistry  Why most algaecides work better preventatively than reactively  Rudy explains why cyanobacteria biofilms behave more like fortified microbial cities than traditional algae  Breakdown of Nostoc, Oscillatoria, Lingbya, Microcystis, and other cyanobacteria genera commonly found in pools  Why “black algae” is not one single organism but a broad visual category  EPS slime layers and how they protect cyanobacteria colonies from oxidizers  Why brushing and physical disruption are essential for effective remediation  How pitted plaster creates ideal environments for recolonization  Discussion on hydraulic dead spots and their role in recurring infestations  Copper-based systems explained, including staining risks and chemistry management requirements  Why circulation correction is often just as important as chemistry adjustments  The overlooked topic of cyanotoxins and microcystin-producing cyanobacteria in aquatic environments  Why algae remediation sometimes requires filtration optimization, dilution, and water replacement after cellular collapse  Rudy argues that no algaecide replaces the fundamentals of brushing, circulation, filtration, sanitizer maintenance, and proper FC/CYA management  Why the future of pool chemistry will move toward species-aware remediation strategies instead of generic algae categories  The difference between chemistry-based pool care and marketing-based pool care Support the showThank you so much for listening! 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Send us Fan MailOn this episode of the Talking Pools Podcast, Steve dives into the realities of commercial pool liability, leak detection, client communication, and the hidden responsibilities that separate true professionals from “just the pool guy.”The episode opens with Steve discussing the frustration surrounding the 2026 FIFA World Cup ticket prices before shifting into another edition of the Insurance Interlude with Pat Grignon of the California Pool Association. Together, they unpack a real-world commercial pool situation involving missing handrails, code violations, liability exposure, and the importance of documenting hazards before they become lawsuits.Steve also delivers a detailed masterclass on swimming pool leak detection—from the bucket test and common skimmer throat leaks to light conduit failures, dye testing, and why every pool company should build relationships with specialized leak detection professionals.The conversation expands into business growth, professionalism, continuing education through CPO certification, building vendor partnerships, and the importance of commanding confidence when speaking with clients. Whether you're a new pool tech or a seasoned operator, this episode is packed with field-tested advice, operational insight, and hard-earned lessons from the trenches of the pool industry. Show Notes Steve discusses taking his first real day off in weeks after nonstop CPO classes, commercial pool work, and field service calls  Frustration over 2026 FIFA World Cup ticket pricing and how rising costs are pushing longtime fans away from attending matches  Insurance Interlude with Pat Grignon of the California Pool Association  Commercial pool liability discussion involving missing handrails, code violations, depth markers, and no-diving signage  Why service companies have a legal duty to identify and document hazards at commercial pools  The importance of written communication, email documentation, and certified letters when addressing dangerous pool conditions  Discussion on foreseeability, negligence, proximate cause, and how lawsuits target everyone connected to a commercial pool incident  Why certain violations should potentially justify closing a commercial pool until repairs are completed  Overlooked commercial pool code requirements including transition lines, deck depth markers, and step visibility indicators  How courts may determine liability between service companies and construction contractors  Steve's philosophy on protecting clients while simultaneously protecting your company from exposure  A full breakdown of swimming pool leak detection basics for newer pool professionals  How to perform the bucket test to confirm water loss  Common leak locations including skimmer throats, light conduits, spa jets, and cracked tile lines  Why Steve recommends using marine epoxy products like Splash Zone for underwater repairs  The value of partnering with dedicated leak detection specialists rather than trying to handle every service internally  Business advice on building strategic partnerships with plaster companies, leak detection companies, and specialty contractors  Discussion about markup strategy and creating referral partnerships that benefit both companies  Why pool professionals should avoid sending outside contractors who may try to steal recurring service accounts  Steve explains why honesty and transparency with customers build long-term trust  The importance of education and CPO certification for newer pool professionals entering the industry  How knowledgeable communication builds authority and helps clients trust your expertise  Real-world examples of identifying hidden hazards clients never noticed themselves  Pool Corp's giveaway promotion for the Aper Scuba P1 robotic vacuum  Discussion about distributor pricing, OEM parts inflation, and why pool pros are increasingly turning to aftermarket options  Teaser for an upcoming episode discussing commercial bidding strategies, vacuum systems, and how Steve slowly closed a six-month commercial contract negotiation Support the showThank you so much for listening! You can find us on social media:FacebookInstagramTik TokEmail us: talkingpools@gmail.com

Send us Fan MailPool Inspections, Liability, Codes & the Dangerous Assumptions That Cost Thousands. Part 2 of this 2 part episode.With Host Natalie Hood of The Grit Game and Special Guest Dennis Boyd of Watershape UniversityIn the conclusion of this powerful two-part episode of Myth Busting Wednesdays, Natalie Hood sits down with Dennis Boyd for a brutally honest conversation about the realities of swimming pool inspections, code compliance, safety standards, liability, and the myths that continue to plague the pool industry. This episode digs deep into one of the biggest misconceptions in the swimming pool industry: just because a pool is open, built, or passed inspection once does not mean it is safe, compliant, or properly constructed today. Dennis explains how pool inspectors must constantly continue learning, especially in areas like electrical safety, bonding, lighting systems, hydraulics, structural integrity, and evolving code requirements. Natalie and Dennis break down the dangerous assumption that “if the contractor built it, it must be compliant,” sharing real-world examples of improperly built pools, exposed rebar hidden beneath unfinished shotcrete, disconnected bonding systems, improperly grounded electrical components, and construction shortcuts that could have led to catastrophic failures or lawsuits. The conversation also explores the confusion surrounding municipal inspections and building codes. Dennis explains how different jurisdictions may adopt completely different combinations of the International Building Code (IBC), International Swimming Pool & Spa Code (ISPSC), and local amendments, creating inconsistencies throughout the country. The result? Pools can sometimes receive occupancy approval while still containing serious safety hazards. Natalie and Dennis also tackle: Why home inspectors often lack meaningful aquatic training  The critical difference between general liability insurance and Errors & Omissions (E&O) coverage for pool inspectors  Why written inspection reports become legal disclosure documents during real estate transactions  The growing need for specialized aquatic inspection professionals  Why pool builders, service technicians, and inspectors often operate with completely different knowledge bases  The shocking pool code requirements most professionals have never heard of — including residential safety rope requirements under ISPSC Chapter 8. Dennis also shares how Watershape University training has helped professionals better understand slides, diving envelopes, gate safety, coefficient of friction standards, and the hidden hazards that most homeowners — and many contractors — completely overlook. Natalie closes the episode with a powerful reminder:Pools don't fail because of bad luck. They fail because of bad assumptions.This is an episode every pool builder, service professional, inspector, real estate agent, and pool owner needs to hear.Topics Covered Pool inspection myths  Electrical and bonding safety  Pool code compliance  Residential pool inspections  Watershape University training  Pool builder liability  E&O insurance for inspectors  ISPSC and IBC code discussions  Real estate disclosure and pool inspections  Pool construction defects  Safety standards for residential pools  Why continuing education matters in aquatics Listen & Follow

Send us Fan MailOn this episode of the Talking Pools Podcast, Andrea takes a deep dive into one of the most important — and often overlooked — topics in the swimming pool industry: safety. With summer approaching and pool usage increasing across the country, Andrea discusses the real-world responsibility pool professionals carry when it comes to preventing drownings, suction entrapment incidents, and avoidable tragedies. The episode opens with two heartbreaking Florida drowning stories involving young children — one at a pool party and another at an Airbnb rental property — sparking a broader conversation about accountability, supervision, and the role safety barriers play in aquatic environments. Andrea breaks down the five types of suction entrapment hazards including: Hair entrapment  Limb entrapment  Body entrapment  Mechanical entrapment  Evisceration/disembowelment She explains how these incidents occur, why they remain a serious risk even in modern pools, and why educating homeowners and clients about suction safety is critical. The discussion also explores how damaged or missing drain covers, improper flow rates, aging plastics, and poor maintenance practices can create dangerous conditions. The episode includes a detailed explanation of the Virginia Graeme Baker Pool & Spa Safety Act (VGBA), including: Why VGBA compliance is about the entire hydraulic system — not just drain covers  The role of dual drains and unblockable drains  Safety Vacuum Release Systems (SVRS)  Maximum flow ratings  Drain cover life expectancy  Pump sizing considerations  Commercial inspection requirements Andrea also shares the tragic stories behind the legislation, including the deaths of Virginia Graeme Baker and Abigail Taylor, and how those incidents changed federal pool safety standards forever. Other topics include: Why drowning deaths are increasing in the United States  The importance of swimming lessons and active supervision  Water watcher programs  Airbnb and short-term rental pool safety concerns  Why cloudy water should never be ignored  Why pool pros should document damaged safety equipment immediately  Common dangerous pool games and behaviors that should be discouraged  Long hair safety around suction outlets  Why “touch the drain” games are a terrible idea  The importance of keeping gates and barriers closed Andrea also provides listeners with an extensive list of water safety organizations and educational resources including:Pool SafelyNational Drowning Prevention AllianceAbby's HopePHTA Step Into SwimEvery Child A SwimmerCDC Healthy SwimmingThis episode serves as both a refresher and a reminder that pool safety is not a checklist — it's a culture. Whether you service residential pools, commercial facilities, vacation rentals, or aquatic centers, this conversation reinforces why education, awareness, and proactive prevention matter.Follow the Talking Pools Podcast on all major streaming platforms and join the conversation on social media. Support the showThank you so much for listening! You can find us on social media:FacebookInstagramTik TokEmail us: talkingpools@gmail.com

Send us Fan MailOn this episode of the Talking Pools Podcast, Lee Salisbury, Shane from Auckland, and Nick from Brisbane dive headfirst into one of the biggest challenges facing pool professionals everywhere: time management. From subscription fatigue to overloaded schedules, the crew discusses how pool service companies can streamline operations, eliminate wasted effort, and create smarter workflows without adding more stress—or more monthly software fees. Nick shares how he has transformed Buffer Zone into a centralized operational hub for his business, using it for everything from technician scheduling and supplier management to equipment manuals, staff notes, training resources, and client communication. The conversation explores how keeping everything inside one ecosystem reduces missed jobs, forgotten tasks, duplicated subscriptions, and operational chaos. The episode also explores creative “workarounds” within software systems—showing listeners how to use scheduling tools for personal appointments, admin blocks, vehicle servicing reminders, supplier pickups, and inventory management. Shane discusses his previous use of the Timely calendar system and how similar functionality can be recreated directly inside Buffer Zone to simplify operations and reduce reliance on external apps. Lee takes the conversation further into productivity systems, sharing how tools like Google Workspace, Google Calendar, Google Tasks, Google Forms, Google Drive, and automation integrations can dramatically improve efficiency for pool service companies. The discussion highlights real-world examples of live technician reporting, automated spreadsheets, winter repair prospecting, quote generation, inventory forecasting, and field-to-office communication systems that save hours every week. The team also discusses password management, shared staff access, cloud-based documentation, technician accountability, and how centralizing information can protect businesses when employees leave or systems fail. Most importantly, this episode focuses on the philosophy of continuous improvement—making small operational changes that create massive long-term gains. Whether you're a solo operator or managing multiple technicians, the crew emphasizes that investing time into better systems today can save enormous amounts of time, stress, and money tomorrow.  Support the showThank you so much for listening! You can find us on social media:FacebookInstagramTik TokEmail us: talkingpools@gmail.com

Send us Fan MailThis episode features Scott Hamilton, CEO of United Chemical, discussing the EPA's recent restrictions on sodium bromide, its implications for pool professionals, and the science behind bromate formation and safety. Gain insights into regulatory processes, chemical safety, and effective pool management strategies.keywordssodium bromide, EPA regulations, bromate, pool chemistry, pool safety, algae control, chemical risk assessment, United Chemical, Yellow Treat, bromine poolskey topicsEPA's restrictions on sodium bromideBromate formation and health risksScience and risk assessment of pool chemicalsguest nameScott HamiltonSound Bites"Don't let your mentor go, that's mentoreward.com.""Bromamines are effective and don't have a nasty smell.""Pool pros should voice their concerns to regulators."Chapters00:00Introduction to the EPA's Controversy on Sodium Bromide03:52The History and Impact of Bromate Regulations06:53Understanding Bromate Formation in Pools09:30The Chemistry of Bromine and Chlorine in Pools12:18The Misconceptions of Bromine Pools15:16Toxicology of Bromate and Cancer Risks18:12Bromate in Food Products and Regulatory Delays22:25Understanding EPA's Role and Challenges25:10The Impact of Lobbying on Chemical Regulations29:45Efficacy of Sodium Bromide in Algae Control30:50Trends in Mustard Algae Growth34:22Research Findings on Bromate Formation42:48Engaging with Regulatory Bodies45:40Legacy and Safety of Sodium BromideResourcesUnited ChemicalYellow TreatEPA Regulations on Bromide Products (2005)Bromate Risk Assessment Study AquaStar Pool ProductsThe Global Leader in Safety, Dependability, & Innovation in Pool Technology.BLUERAY XLThe real mineral purifier! Reduce your pool maintenance costs & efforts by 50%CPO Certification ClassesAttend your CPO class with Rudy Stankowitz!Jack's MagicIf you know Jack's you'd have no stains!Service Industry NewsDisclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the showThank you so much for listening! You can find us on social media:FacebookInstagramTik TokEmail us: talkingpools@gmail.com

Send us Fan MailThis episode explores the impact of AI on the insurance industry, business practices, and legal considerations, featuring insights from industry expert Pat Grigno.keywordsAI, insurance, business, contracts, legal, technology, automation, risk managementkey topicsImpact of AI on insurance industryLegal and contractual considerations with AIAI's role in business efficiency and risk managementguest namePat GrignoSound Bites"AI is affecting all of us now""AI can help draft better contracts""Terrorism insurance costs vary by risk"Chapters00:00The Impact of AI on Business and Insurance11:18Navigating AI in Contracts and Insurance Policies15:27Understanding Liability and Insurance in Unforeseen EventsResourcesCalifornia Pool AssociationAI Contract Summarization ToolsGuest linksLinkedIn Support the showThank you so much for listening! You can find us on social media:FacebookInstagramTik TokEmail us: talkingpools@gmail.com

Send us Fan MailJoin us as we explore the critical, often-overlooked world of pool inspections with expert Dennis Boyd. Discover the myths, safety concerns, and essential knowledge every homeowner, builder, and inspector needs to prevent disasters and legal issues. Part 1 of 2.Keywordspool inspections, pool safety, home inspection, water chemistry, pool construction, legal issues, pool industry, inspection mythsKey TopicsThe importance of thorough pool inspectionsCommon myths and misconceptions in pool safetyThe role of water chemistry and construction knowledge in inspectionsGuest NameDennis BoydSound Bites"Not all inspectors are trained equally.""Inspectors need broad construction knowledge.""Continuous education makes a better inspector."Chapters00:00Introduction to Pool Inspections01:45Understanding the Importance of Thorough Inspections09:49Debunking Myths About Pool Inspections29:12The Role of Education and Training in Inspections Support the showThank you so much for listening! You can find us on social media:FacebookInstagramTik TokEmail us: talkingpools@gmail.com

Pool Pros text questions hereIn this episode, Heidi Weeks from Peppermint HR shares expert insights on HR best practices for small businesses, especially in the pool industry. Topics include compliance, structuring, connection, and practical tips for building a strong HR foundation.keywordsHR, small business, pool industry, compliance, employee engagement, HR policies, team management, HR tipskey topicsHR compliance and award classificationsBuilding organizational structure and clarityCreating connection and engagement with stafftakeawaysStart with compliance: pay rates, contracts, policies.Embed simple HR systems early to support growth.Regular communication and feedback are crucial.Know your staff personally to motivate and retain.guest nameHeidi WeeksSound Bites"Know your award and pay rates""Establish clear HR processes""Create a family culture"Chapters00:00Introduction to HR in the Pool Industry02:29Unique Challenges in the Pool Industry04:53The Importance of HR from Day One07:41Three Pillars of HR: Confidence, Clarity, and Connection10:00Building Confidence through Compliance12:47Establishing Clarity in HR Processes15:31Fostering Connection for High Performance17:56Navigating the Employer-Friend Dynamic20:31Common HR Mistakes and Easy Fixes23:25Engaging Employees for Better Retention26:02Conclusion and ResourcesResourcesPeppermint HR WebsiteHR Foundations GuideHR Health Check Quiz Support the showThank you so much for listening! You can find us on social media:FacebookInstagramTik TokEmail us: talkingpools@gmail.com

Pool Pros text questions hereOn this episode of Floc It Friday, Rudy Stankowitz dives headfirst into one of the most overlooked realities in the swimming pool industry: your pool truck may legally qualify as a hazardous materials transport vehicle. Rudy breaks down how everyday pool chemicals like liquid chlorine, muriatic acid, trichlor, cal hypo, cyanuric acid, and even improperly labeled buckets can place pool professionals directly under federal DOT hazmat regulations. From 49 CFR Materials of Trade exceptions to hazmat training requirements, shipping papers, securement rules, placarding, container limits, and chemical compatibility, this episode becomes an eye-opening deep dive into how many pool companies may unknowingly be operating outside federal compliance. Rudy explains why “everybody does it this way” is not a legal defense and why a single roadside inspection could turn a routine service route into a federal violation. The episode also revisits Rudy's alum cyanuric acid removal method and the science behind aluminum complexation with cyanuric acid. Rudy addresses criticism surrounding the process, explaining why the observed CYA reduction cannot simply be attributed to water loss during vacuum-to-waste. He discusses the original research, lab verification by OnBalance, the role of metal complexation, and the parallels between aluminum cyanurate and copper cyanurate chemistry. Rudy also compares aluminum sulfate and lanthanum chloride as phosphate removers, breaking down the chemistry, dosing calculations, pH considerations, and operational trade-offs between the two treatment methods in a way only Rudy can deliver. Later in the episode, Rudy shifts into industry news and commentary, discussing Hayward's gradual discontinuation of legacy ProLogic accessories and what it means for service companies maintaining aging automation systems. He explains why proactive OmniPL upgrades may become a business necessity rather than an option. The show closes with a rapid-fire industry update touching on PoolCorp's executive leadership transition, Pentair and PoolBrain's push toward data-driven service automation, the growing divide between tech-driven companies and “memory-based” operations, and the importance of National Water Safety Month. Throughout the episode, Rudy blends technical education, operational reality, and industry forecasting into a no-nonsense conversation about where the pool industry is headed — and who may get left behind if they fail to evolve.  Support the showThank you so much for listening! You can find us on social media:FacebookInstagramTik TokEmail us: talkingpools@gmail.com

Pool Pros text questions herehosts Steve Sherwood and Pat Rignyan from the California Pool Association take a deep dive into one of the busiest and most overlooked risk seasons in the pool industry: commercial and student housing pools. As pool professionals across the country juggle openings, CPO classes, hotels, HOAs, and large commercial accounts, Steve raises an important question many service companies never stop to ask until it's too late — how much additional liability comes with servicing high-traffic student housing and HOA pools? Pat explains that while most insurance policies don't specifically exclude commercial pools, student housing environments bring a completely different level of exposure due to heavy bather loads, parties, glass breakage, and general “shenanigans.” The conversation explores the importance of umbrella policies, understanding indemnification clauses in HOA contracts, and why pool pros should carefully review agreements before signing. The guys discuss how some HOA contracts place all responsibility on the service company regardless of fault, and why mutual indemnification language matters more than most pool operators realize. Steve also shares real-world frustrations from dealing with hotels and constantly changing management teams, highlighting how turnover, delayed approvals, and lack of communication can create operational nightmares for service companies. The episode ultimately becomes a larger conversation about trusting your gut, setting boundaries with difficult clients, pricing appropriately for high-risk work, and learning when to walk away from accounts that create more headaches than profit. For pool professionals servicing HOAs, hotels, apartment complexes, or student housing, this episode offers valuable insight into protecting both your business and your sanity.  Support the showThank you so much for listening! You can find us on social media:FacebookInstagramTik TokEmail us: talkingpools@gmail.com

Pool Pros text questions hereNatalie Hood (the Grit Game) explores the diverse roles and responsibilities of Coast Guard aviation professionals with Nicholas L. Gavin. This includes, but is not limited to myths about AMTs, AETs, and ASTs, and gain insights into their training, missions, and career paths. keywordsCoast Guard, aviation, AMT, AET, AST, rescue missions, military careers, aviation maintenance, rescue swimmer, career in Coast Guard key  topicsRoles of AMT, AET, and AST in Coast GuardTraining and skills required for Coast Guard aviation rolesMyths and realities of rescue missions and responsibilitiesCareer paths and opportunities in Coast Guard aviationThe importance of physical and technical skills in rescue operations guest  nameNicholas L. Gavin sound bites"Most of my career has been anything but routine.""Coordination with pilots is vital during rescues.""My favorite job was doing search and rescue."Chapters00:00 Behind the Scenes of Coast Guard Aviation04:38 Understanding the Roles of AMTs and ASTs22:11 The Training and Skills of Aviation Survival Technicians32:33 Realistic Expectations for Joining the Coast Guard resourcesGo Coast Guard - https://gocoastguard.comUS Coast Guard - https://www.uscg.milRescue Swimmer School - https://www.uscg.mil/Our-Organization/Assistant-Commandant-for-Prevention-Policy-CG-5P/Rescue-Swimmer/ guest linksEmail - Nicholas.L.Gavin@USCG.mil The Grit GameThe Grit Game, is not just playing the game, we're changing it. 500+ years industry experience, Revdup Apparel a custom apparel company built for the pool industry. Founded by pool professionalsDisclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the showThank you so much for listening! You can find us on social media:FacebookInstagramTik TokEmail us: talkingpools@gmail.com

Pool Pros text questions hereAndrea shares practical tips for pool maintenance and storm preparation, emphasizing water chemistry, cleaning protocols, and hurricane readiness to ensure safe and clean pools during the summer season.keywordspool maintenance, storm prep, water chemistry, pool cleaning, hurricane season, Florida pools, pool chemicals, salt systems, pool cleaning tipskey topicsPool water chemistry and cleaningStorm and hurricane preparation protocolsPool chemical management and safetySound Bites"Adjust your free chlorine to 3-5 ppm for safety""Clean your filters regularly to maintain clarity""Jack up chlorine levels before a storm"Chapters00:00Introduction and Online Controversy02:19Preparing for the Summer Season03:45Cleaning and Maintenance Tips11:23Chlorine Management and Water Chemistry17:03Phosphate Management and Filter Cleaning22:29Hurricane and Storm PreparationResourcesPool Boy Tile Soap & AcidJacks Magic ProductsEnzymes for PoolsPool Chemical Testing StripsHurricane Pool Preparation GuideAndrea's Email Support the showThank you so much for listening! You can find us on social media:FacebookInstagramTik TokEmail us: talkingpools@gmail.com

Pool Pros text questions hereThis episode covers the challenges and opportunities of pool service businesses during winter, including cost management, database maintenance, and team engagement strategies. Learn practical tips to streamline operations, enhance professionalism, and maximize revenue in the off-season.keywordspool service, winter business tips, database management, team engagement, cost control, pool maintenancekey topicsCost management for island service tripsDatabase cleanup and client follow-upUsing photos and measurements for efficient serviceTeam involvement and process improvement during winterSound Bites"Your database is the value of your business""Merge and clean your client data regularly""Photos serve as proof and quality assurance"Chapters00:00Introduction and guest introduction01:14Challenges of island service trips and costs01:58Managing costs and pricing for island services03:15Impact of seasonal changes on pool service business04:08Preparing for winter: pool hibernation and maintenance06:40Winter cleanup: database and photo management08:37Importance of maintaining a clean client database11:07Strategies for identifying and merging duplicate clients13:44Using photos and measurements for service efficiency16:46Starting winter projects: cleaning and process improvements20:33On-site documentation and client communication24:18Using photos and GPS for quality assurance28:19System cleanup and data management33:28Follow-up strategies and scheduling reminders39:50Team engagement and winter productivity40:05Fun and camaraderie in team challenges41:11Closing remarks and call to actionResourcesBufferZoneXero Accounting Software Support the showThank you so much for listening! You can find us on social media:FacebookInstagramTik TokEmail us: talkingpools@gmail.com

Pool Pros text questions hereThis week on Talking Pools Podcast, Rudy Stankowitz rips into one of the most misunderstood topics in pool chemistry—cyanuric acid. Starting with a hard truth most pros overlook, the EPA-required label on chlorine products caps free chlorine at 4 ppm… and that's not a suggestion, it's law. From there, the episode dismantles the industry's oversimplified “stabilizer” narrative and replaces it with what's actually happening: cyanuric acid doesn't just protect chlorine—it binds it, regulates it, and suppresses the amount of active sanitizer available in real time.This is where the conversation gets uncomfortable. Because that “perfect” chlorine reading on your test kit? It doesn't tell you how much hypochlorous acid you actually have—it just gives you a combined number that includes both active and bound chlorine. Drawing on research from Richard Falk, CDC studies, EPA modeling, and decades-old equilibrium work, Rudy breaks down how rising CYA levels throttle chlorine performance, slow disinfection, and create a system where pools look fine on paper but underperform in reality. The myth that “pH doesn't matter with CYA present” gets crushed too—because while the impact is reduced, it's still very real, and ignoring it stacks the problem. The takeaway is blunt: cyanuric acid isn't the villain—mismanagement is. Every tablet adds CYA. Every week without dilution compounds the problem. And every pool pro who ignores the FC-to-CYA relationship is operating blind. This episode draws a hard line between surface-level pool care and true chemical control, making it clear that the industry is shifting toward those who understand the science—not just the numbers. Because at the end of the day, you're not managing chlorine… you're managing how much of it is actually doing the work. AquaStar Pool ProductsThe Global Leader in Safety, Dependability, & Innovation in Pool Technology.BLUERAY XLThe real mineral purifier! Reduce your pool maintenance costs & efforts by 50%Jack's MagicIf you know Jack's you'd have no stains!Service Industry NewsDisclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the showThank you so much for listening! You can find us on social media:FacebookInstagramTik TokEmail us: talkingpools@gmail.com

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Pool Pros text questions hereIn an industry where misinformation spreads faster than wildfire, this episode pulls no punches.Natalie Hood sits down with Matt Doll, CEO of American Fire Products, to dismantle some of the most persistent—and dangerous—myths surrounding fire features in outdoor environments. From DIY disasters to misunderstood gas systems, this conversation is a wake-up call for builders, service pros, and homeowners alike.Because here's the truth:

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Pool Pros text questions hereIn this continuation of their conversation, Lee, Shane, and Nick are joined again by industry expert Spiros from Next Gen Experts to break down a topic that's generating serious noise across the pool industry right now: proposed workplace exposure changes and what they actually mean.This isn't a surface-level chlorine conversation. It's a deep dive into how regulations, standards, and real-world operations collide—and where the industry needs to be paying attention versus where it might be overreacting.

Pool Pros text questions hereIn this powerhouse roundtable, returning host Kelli Clancy leads a deep dive into one of the most misunderstood—and most critical—topics in the pool industry: insurance and risk management. Joined by members connected to the Pool & Hot Tub Alliance (PHTA) Service Committee and industry insurance professionals, this episode breaks down what pool pros think they're covered for… versus what actually protects their business when things go sideways.This isn't theory. This is real-world exposure—from pool pop-ups and design failures to catastrophic jobsite accidents and long-tail liability risks that can come back years later. Support the showThank you so much for listening! You can find us on social media:FacebookInstagramTik TokEmail us: talkingpools@gmail.com

Pool Pros text questions hereThis episode explores the complexities of pool chemistry, legal considerations, industry trends, and the importance of understanding over following instructions blindly. Rudy Stankowitz shares insights on how industry control, product formulation disputes, and safety regulations impact pool professionals and consumers.Keywordspool chemistry, pool industry, pool safety, chemical regulation, pool maintenance, pool education, legal cases, industry trendsKey TopicsPool chemistry complexities and safetyLegal cases involving pool chemicalsIndustry trends towards simplification and controlGuest NameRudy StankowitzSound Bites"Follow the label, protect yourself legally.""Chemistry doesn't forgive mistakes.""Your knowledge is your best defense."Chapters00:00Understanding Label Instructions in Pool Care10:50The Importance of Testing Over Following Rules14:23Legal Implications of Chemical Labels27:48Industry Trends: Simplifying Pool Care AquaStar Pool ProductsThe Global Leader in Safety, Dependability, & Innovation in Pool Technology.POOL MAGAZINE Pool Magazine is leading up to the minute news source for Swimming Pool News and Pool Features. OuBLUERAY XLThe real mineral purifier! Reduce your pool maintenance costs & efforts by 50%Jack's MagicIf you know Jack's you'd have no stains!Service Industry NewsCPO Certification ClassesAttend your CPO class with Rudy Stankowitz!the 'How to Get Rid of Algae' handbookThe most comprehensive guide on algae prevention and remediation you will ever own. Online Pool ClassesThe difference between you and your competition is what you know!Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the showThank you so much for listening! You can find us on social media:FacebookInstagramTik TokEmail us: talkingpools@gmail.com

Pool Pros text questions hereIn this episode, Steve Sherwood interviews Pat Grignone from California Pool Association to explore how pool service professionals can optimize their business operations, partnerships, and insurance strategies to grow profitably and sustainably.Keywordspool service, business growth, partnerships, insurance, pool renovation, subcontracting, liability, pool industryKey TopicsBusiness capacity and scaling in the pool industryPartnering with subcontractors and specialistsManaging insurance and liability for large projectsStreamlining operations for profitabilityBest practices for pool renovation and startupGuest NamePat GrignoneSound Bites"Control the entire renovation and startup process""Talk to your insurance agent before big projects""Check in with your insurer when business changes"Chapters00:00Introduction and Guest Introduction00:15Steve's Personal Pool Industry Story01:09Challenges of Scaling a Pool Service Business02:01Balancing Service, Repairs, and Billing02:54Strategies for Managing Growth and Capacity04:02Partnering with Subcontractors and Vendors08:31Pricing and Profitability in Renovations09:23Managing Renovation and Startup Processes10:45Controlling Quality and Long-term Service11:37Partnerships with Leak Detection and Plaster Companies12:35The Cost of Equipment and Building a Large Company13:45Controlling the Entire Pool Renovation Process14:25Advice for Companies Outsourcing Jobs15:16Financial and Insurance Considerations for Large Jobs16:11Tax and Insurance Implications of High-Value Jobs18:01Monitoring Revenue and Insurance Changes18:55Closing Remarks and Contact Information Support the showThank you so much for listening! You can find us on social media:FacebookInstagramTik TokEmail us: talkingpools@gmail.com

Pool Pros text questions hereThis episode busts common water chemistry myths, explores the science behind pool maintenance, and discusses the future of industry education. Featuring Eric Knight from Watershape University, it offers practical insights for professionals seeking to improve their water management skills.Keywordswater chemistry, pool maintenance, water shaping, pool industry education, pool myths, chlorine, pH, alkalinity, CYA, salt systemsKey TopicsWater chemistry misconceptionsProper water testing and treatmentImpact of pH, alkalinity, and CYA on poolsGuest NameEric KnightSound Bites"The acid column pour myth is not accurate""Adjusted alkalinity is not the true alkalinity""Salt systems do not inherently raise pH"ContactWatershape University HomepageChapters00:00Introduction to Water Chemistry Education04:19Eric Knight's Journey in Aquatics07:12The Future of the Pool Industry09:52Debunking Myths about Watershape University12:55Understanding the Curriculum and Its Accessibility14:45Advanced Training and Certification14:52Customer Service in Pool Industry16:23Debunking Water Chemistry Myths23:33Understanding pH and Chlorine Strength29:46The Future of Pool Automation34:40Understanding pH Myths in Swimming Pools40:14Salt Systems and Their Chemistry43:22Cyanuric Acid: The Misunderstood Protector49:35The Importance of Education and Automation in Pool Management The Grit GameThe Grit Game, is not just playing the game, we're changing it. 500+ years industry experience, Revdup Apparel a custom apparel company built for the pool industry. Founded by pool professionalsDisclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the showThank you so much for listening! You can find us on social media:FacebookInstagramTik TokEmail us: talkingpools@gmail.com

Pool Pros text questions hereAndrea discusses the intricacies of pool circulation systems, focusing on total dynamic head, valves, piping, and the importance of proper maintenance to ensure safe and efficient pool operation.keywordspool circulation, total dynamic head, pool valves, water flow, pool maintenance, water hammer, filtration, pool system designkey topicsTotal dynamic head calculation and importanceTypes of pool valves and their functionsRisks of water hammer and how to prevent itguest nameUnderstanding Total Dynamic Head and Valve Management in PoolsSound Bites"Variable speed motors optimize energy use""Gate valves should be fully open or closed""Water hammer can cause pipe damage"Chapters00:00Introduction and Technical Difficulties02:48Understanding Total Dynamic Head (TDH)06:05The Importance of Valves in Pool Systems10:53Piping and Flow Dynamics14:53Filters, Heaters, and Separation Tanks20:31The Heart of Pool Maintenance: CirculationResourcesBlu-ray XLrevvedupto.comTalking Pools Podcast Support the showThank you so much for listening! You can find us on social media:FacebookInstagramTik TokEmail us: talkingpools@gmail.com

Pool Pros text questions hereIn this episode, industry expert Spiros De Sarkis shares insights on professionalizing the swimming pool and spa industry, emphasizing safety, legislation, and business growth strategies. Discover how to elevate industry standards, manage risks, and build a credible, compliant business.keywordsSwimming Pool Industry, Business Safety, Legislation, Professional Development, Industry Standards, Risk Management, Pool Safety, Business Growth, Compliance, Industry Advocacykey topicsIndustry professionalism and standardsLegislation and compliance in poolsRisk management and safety protocolstakeawaysProfessionalism in the industry is crucial for credibility and safety.Understanding and complying with legislation can save businesses thousands.AI and technology are transforming risk assessment and management.Continuous education and community involvement strengthen industry standards.Proactive safety measures prevent costly accidents and legal issues.guest nameSpiros De SarkisSound Bites"AI can cost you thousands if you're not careful.""Safety is paramount for clients and technicians alike.""Good systems and training can prevent disasters."Chapters00:00Introduction to the Podcast and Guests00:55Spiros De Sarkis: A Key Figure in the Industry04:23Upping the Ante: Professionalism in the Pool Industry08:47The Importance of Industry Support and Advocacy11:38Navigating Challenges: Seeking Help in the Industry16:50Safety First: Addressing Risks in Pool Management24:47Regulations and Standards: The Need for LicensingResourcesNextGen ExpertsSafeWork AustraliaAustralian StandardsSPASA Australia Support the showThank you so much for listening! You can find us on social media:FacebookInstagramTik TokEmail us: talkingpools@gmail.com

Pool Pros text questions hereThis Friday episode blends industry culture, community engagement, and high-level water chemistry into one unapologetically direct conversation. Rudy challenges a foundational assumption in pool care—that water can be “captured” and tested as-is—and dismantles it by exposing the dominant role of temperature in every chemical interaction.Along the way, he introduces new listener giveaways, reinforces the importance of mentorship in the industry, and delivers a mix of humor and hard truth that defines the Talking Pools voice.

Pool Pros text questions hereThis week on Talking Pools, Steve and Wayne deliver a brutally honest, real-world breakdown of what happens when subcontractors, miscommunication, and poor oversight collide on a job site. From a leak detection company altering valve positions and walking away, to costly chemical miscalculations by technicians, this episode dives into the operational chaos that pool professionals face—and how to protect your business from it.The conversation also expands into liability, insurance strategy, and the hidden risks of stepping outside your normal scope of work, especially when dealing with commercial properties or unconventional client use cases like pool rentals and swim instruction.

Pool Pros text questions hereIn this week's Myth Busting Wednesday, Natalie Hood sits down with Don Douglas, President and Owner of Rev'd Up Apparel, to dismantle one of the most overlooked—and misunderstood—topics in the pool industry:

Pool Pros text questions hereAndrea shows up soaked, slightly unhinged, and absolutely done with your circulation system's bullsh*t. We're talking pools so flooded they look like they're trying to return to the ocean, equipment gasping for air, and homeowners acting like water movement is optional.

Pool Pros text questions hereWelcome to the episode where three seasoned pool pros from opposite sides of the planet casually admit…

Pool Pros text questions hereIn this episode, Rudy Stankowitz breaks down two industry staples—breakpoint chlorination and enzymes—and explains why what's commonly taught doesn't fully match the chemistry happening in your water.This isn't about being wrong. It's about going one level deeper.⚗️ Breakpoint Chlorination – The Reality The 10x rule is not how breakpoint is defined in chemistry  True breakpoint is based on ammonia (as nitrogen), not combined chlorine  Pools measure combined chlorine (as chlorine) → not a direct match 

Pool Pros text questions hereWhat looks like algae… isn't always algae. And what looks like “clear but weird” water? That's where things get expensive.In this episode of Talking Pools Thursdays, Steve and Wayne break down one of the most misunderstood issues in pool service: metals in the water—how to identify them, where they come from, and what actually works when you're dealing with them in the field.It starts with a simple truth: 

Pool Pros text questions hereThis Myth-busting episode reveals how pool pros can maximize their relationships with manufacturer reps to grow their business, increase margins, and avoid costly mistakes. Laci Davis (Grit Game) shares practical tips on finding, evaluating, and leveraging reps effectively.Keywordspool industry, manufacturer reps, business growth, sales strategies, industry relationshipsKey TopicsTypes of industry reps and their rolesHow to identify a good manufacturer repThe importance of follow-up and relationship-buildingStrategies for leveraging reps to increase sales and marginsPractical steps to find and connect with reputable repsSound Bites"Good reps have real industry experience""Follow-up shows a rep's diligence""Don't treat reps like transactions"Chapters00:00Introduction to the Grit Game and Pool Pros03:50Understanding the Role of Reps in the Pool Industry06:37The Importance of Building Relationships with Reps08:50Identifying Quality Reps and Their Impact11:32Maximizing the Value of Reps for Business Growth13:41Finding and Connecting with Reps15:07Conclusion and Call to Action The Grit GameThe Grit Game, is not just playing the game, we're changing it. 500+ years industry experience, Revdup Apparel a custom apparel company built for the pool industry. Founded by pool professionalsDisclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the showThank you so much for listening! You can find us on social media:FacebookInstagramTik TokEmail us: talkingpools@gmail.com

Pool Pros text questions hereIn this episode of Talking Pools Podcast, Andrea wraps up her multi-part deep dive into pool chemistry with a no-BS breakdown of what actually matters when it comes to testing, dosing, and not screwing it all up.And yes… she's cooking chicken while recording.

Pool Pros text questions hereIn this episode of Talking Pools Podcast, the Mondays Down Under crew takes on a topic that doesn't get nearly enough honest discussion: building a swimming pool from the perspective of the people who actually have to service it later.Because here's the truth…

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Pool Pros text questions hereWhat starts as a routine pool inspection can turn into a liability nightmare—fast.In this episode, Steve breaks down a real job where fire-damaged fencing, questionable decking, and one simple question— 

Pool Pros text questions hereThe myths just keep coming… and in this one, they don't stand a chance.In Part 2 of Natalie Hood's Myth Busting series, industry veterans George Williams and Ken Rogner step in and do what most people in this industry won't—tell the truth.Not the sales version. Not the “it depends” version. The real version.From the idea that pools don't add value… to the belief that social media is the only way to grow… to the quiet damage done when service pros choose profit over trust—this episode pulls apart the assumptions that are quietly shaping bad decisions across the industry.And here's what becomes clear:

Pool Pros text questions here This isn't a calm episode. This isn't a polite episode.This is Andrea… slightly unhinged… walking straight into the chaos of how people are actually taking care of pools—and calling it out.From test strips that don't tell you what you think they do… to calcium myths that refuse to die… to phosphate treatments that turn into unnecessary full-blown disasters—this episode is a reality check for anyone still guessing their way through water chemistry.And underneath the sarcasm and frustration… there's something important:

Pool Pros text questions hereMondays Down Under – Featuring Lee Salisbury, Shane & NickSomething is happening in the pool industry right now… and if you're not paying attention, it's going to cost you.Quietly… Gradually… Then all at once.PVC prices jump 30%. Salt cell materials skyrocket. Fuel costs ripple through everything.And suddenly the quote you sent two weeks ago?

Pool Pros text questions hereThis episode starts where most pool problems actually begin—not in the chemistry… but in the math. Rudy breaks down why inconsistent dosing is quietly wrecking pools everywhere, how “close enough” turns into repeat problems, and why scooping chemicals like you're baking cookies is one of the biggest operational failures in the industry.From there, the conversation escalates into real chemistry—chlorine demand, the science behind oxidation, and why chlorine never just “disappears”… it reacts.Then we get into the controversy everyone keeps asking about: Is sodium bromide coming back? Rudy explains what's really happening behind the scenes with regulatory restrictions, what the EPA is actually concerned about, and why this has nothing to do with whether bromine works—and everything to do with what might happen under worst-case conditions.⚠️ What You'll Learn in This Episode Why most pool problems are not mysterious—they're bad dosing and inconsistent inputs  The critical difference between volume vs. weight and how bulk density quietly sabotages your results  How underdosing fuels contamination—and overdosing creates new problems  Why chloramines (not chlorine) cause smell and irritation  The real reason your pool “won't hold chlorine” (hint: it's not magic)  Why “chlorine lock” is not a real chemistry term—and what's actually happening instead  How sunlight, ammonia, organics, and biofilms all compete for chlorine simultaneously  The role of hypochlorous acid vs. hypochlorite ion and why pH changes everything  What chlorine demand really is—and how to diagnose it correctly 

Pool Pros text questions hereWhen It Rains, It Pours: Real Problems Pool Pros Actually Deal WithIn this episode, hosts Wayne & Steve pull back the curtain on what really happens behind the scenes of running a pool service company—because it's not all crystal-clear water and perfectly balanced chemistry.Fresh off a wedding weekend (and still recovering), Wayne passes the mic to Steve, who walks us through a week where everything that could go wrong… did.And not in theory. In real, messy, business-impacting ways.

Pool Pros text questions hereIn this myth-busting, industry-deep-dive episode, host Natalie Hood sits down with two absolute heavyweights of the pool industry:George Williams – 50+ years shaping pool equipment innovation Ken Brogner – 50+ years in distribution, sales, and training Together, they break down long-standing myths, challenge misconceptions, and pull back the curtain on how the industry actually works—from filtration truths to homeowner expectations and the real cost of doing business.This is part one of a conversation that blends history, hard truths, and a little bit of “back in my day” wisdom that still hits in 2026.

Pool Pros text questions hereAndrea is back. Alone. Unsupervised. And apparently powered by battery backups and unresolved rage toward misinformation.In this episode of Andrea Unfiltered, she dives headfirst into pool chemistry fundamentals—except instead of reading you a boring textbook, she drags bad pool advice into the street and fights it like it owes her money.This is Part One of her “Cool Chemicals” series (yes, she named it herself, and yes, she's proud of it). Expect a crash course in sanitizers, water balance, and why your pool isn't broken—you just don't understand it.Also… somehow Jimmy Dean sausage complaints make an appearance. Because of course they do.

Pool Pros text questions hereIn this timely and globally relevant episode of Mondays Down Under, hosts Lee (Australia) and Shane (New Zealand) are joined by special guest Nick—a seasoned pool industry veteran with over two decades of experience managing a high-volume retail and service operation.Against the backdrop of escalating geopolitical tensions involving the U.S., Israel, and Iran, the conversation pivots to a pressing issue hitting close to home for pool professionals: rising fuel costs and supply uncertainty. While geographically distant from the conflict, Australia and New Zealand are already feeling the ripple effects—especially at the pump.This episode delivers a grounded, practical discussion on how service-based pool businesses can adapt, protect margins, and remain operational in the face of rising costs and potential shortages.⛽ Key Topics & TakeawaysFuel Prices Are Climbing—Fast Fuel costs across Australia and New Zealand are rising sharply, with increases of 20–50 cents per liter already being reported. Some regions are even experiencing fuel shortages, creating urgency for service companies that rely on daily vehicle use.Service Businesses Are on the Front Line Unlike other industries, pool service companies can't reduce fuel consumption easily. Trucks must roll, routes must be completed, and المياه doesn't balance itself. This makes fuel one of the most immediate threats to profitability.

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Pool Pros text questions hereFresh off a European honeymoon and rocking a brand-new, beard-free look, Steve returns to the mic alongside Wayne for a Thursday episode that's equal parts heartfelt, hilarious, and unexpectedly real.The episode opens with a moment of humility as Wayne issues a public correction—giving overdue credit to industry innovators Que Hales and Kim Skinner for their groundbreaking work on chemically calculating pool volume. It's a reminder that even seasoned pros own their mistakes—and that respect runs deep in the pool world.From there, things take a turn into life beyond the waterline. Steve shares highlights from his honeymoon across Switzerland and Norway—think snow-covered peaks, ultra-luxury ski towns, and a once-in-a-lifetime experience chasing the Northern Lights. But beneath the travel stories is a grounded message about health, as both hosts open up about sun exposure, dermatology visits, and the realities of working outdoors year-round.Back in the trenches of pool service, the conversation shifts to the business side—where not all clients are created equal. In a brutally honest (and relatable) segment, Steve breaks down the difference between clients who drain your time and those who build your business. From a year-long text-message marathon with a tire-kicker to a dream client who generates referrals and respects boundaries, the lesson is clear: knowing when to say no is just as important as showing up.The episode also features an “Insurance Interlude” with expert insight into one of the industry's riskiest services—acid washing. What starts as a simple question turns into a deep dive on liability, safety, and why even experienced pros are walking away from it altogether.By the end, what emerges is more than just a pool podcast—it's a candid look at relationships, reputation, and the fine line between hustle and burnout. Whether you're in the field or just love a good behind-the-scenes story, this episode delivers a mix of humor, honesty, and hard-earned wisdom. Support the showThank you so much for listening! You can find us on social media:FacebookInstagramTik TokEmail us: talkingpools@gmail.com

Pool Pros text questions hereMyth, Memory, and the Real Story Behind the WaterA Conversation with Eric Herman | Talking Pools PodcastSome voices in an industry don't simply report the story — they shape how the story is told.In this episode of Talking Pools, host Natalie Hood, Director of Education and Network Development for The Grit Game, sits down with one of the most influential storytellers the aquatic industry has ever produced: Eric Herman, Vice President of Communications for Watershape University and longtime editor of the legendary publication WaterShapes Magazine.For more than four decades, Herman has documented the evolution of pools, fountains, spas, and aquatic design — not merely as a trade reporter, but as a historian of water itself. His work spans the early days of modern pool construction journalism at Pool & Spa News, the groundbreaking launch of WaterShapes Magazine in 1999, and today's digital continuation of that legacy through watershapes.com, a library containing more than 5,000 articles chronicling the craft, science, and culture of water.But this episode isn't just about history.It's about myths — the assumptions, half-truths, and inherited wisdom that circulate through the pool industry and public perception alike.And in a conversation that moves effortlessly between science, storytelling, and cultural memory, Herman and Hood begin dismantling some of the most persistent myths surrounding swimming pools, safety, and water chemistry.A Journalist in the Deep EndEric Herman's journey into the aquatic world began not with pools, but with curiosity.His first published article in 1986 — for Orange Coast Magazine — examined the emerging microbrewery industry. Within three years, that curiosity would lead him to an interview in Los Angeles with pool industry pioneer Jim McCloskey, then editor of Pool & Spa News.The result was a career that has now stretched 40 years.At Pool & Spa News, Herman covered everything from service techniques and plaster science to drowning prevention — topics that would later shape the direction of aquatic education and professional training across the industry.When Herman and McCloskey launched WaterShapes Magazine in 1999, they intentionally broadened the conversation beyond swimming pools.The publication examined water as a design medium.Pools, fountains, ponds, streams, water parks, hot springs, landscape architecture, and hydrological design all found a home in its pages.The result was a publication that changed how aquatic professionals thought about their craft.Today, that legacy continues through the digital platform watershapes.com, publishing twice monthly and maintaining one of the most comprehensive archives of aquatic design knowledge anywhere in the world.Myth Busting BeginsHood frames the conversation around a theme she frequently explores on the show: myths in aquatics.But Herman begins by reframing the idea of myth itself.Traditionally, he explains, myths weren't falsehoods. They were symbolic stories meant to communicate deeper truths. The modern use of the word — describing something widely believed but factually incorrect — is almost the opposite.Wit Support the showThank you so much for listening! You can find us on social media:FacebookInstagramTik TokEmail us: talkingpools@gmail.com

Pool Pros text questions hereIn this episode, Andrea discusses the importance of pool filtration, different types of filters, and best practices for maintenance. She shares insights on how filters impact water clarity, safety tips, and common mistakes to avoid.Keywordspool filtration, pool maintenance, DE filters, sand filters, cartridge filters, pool chemistry, water clarity, pool safetyKey TopicsPool filter types (sand, DE, cartridge)Proper filter maintenance and cleaningWater clarity and turbidity measurementSafety tips for filter handling and backwashingCommon mistakes and troubleshooting in pool filtrationSound Bites"Tortillas in the pool make me laugh""Congratulations to the winner, Keith""Do you want to swim in a clean pool?"Chapters00:00Conclusion and Key Takeaways22:08The Importance of PSI in Pool Maintenance23:20Cleaning Cartridge Filters: Best Practices27:26Using Degreasers and Enzymes Effectively30:41Acid Washing Cartridges: When and How32:19Safety Precautions with DE Powder33:43Maintaining DE Filters: Key Steps41:02Sand Filters: Backwashing and Maintenance43:53Final Thoughts on Filter Maintenance Support the showThank you so much for listening! You can find us on social media: Facebook Instagram Tik Tok Email us: talkingpools@gmail.com

Pool Pros text questions hereThis episode covers essential winter preparation tips for pool service professionals, including equipment maintenance, marketing strategies, and safety regulations. Learn how to turn winter into a profitable season and ensure safety compliance.Keywordspool service, winter preparation, pool maintenance, safety regulations, marketing strategies, pool covers, leaf skimmers, pool cleaningKey TopicsWinter pool maintenance strategiesPool safety regulations and complianceEffective marketing for off-season pool servicesSound Bites"Heavy leaf litter can stain your pool.""Plan your winter marketing early.""Turn winter into a profitable season."Chapters00:00Introduction to Seasonal Pool Maintenance01:36Equipment Spotlight: Robotic Pool Cleaners and Skimmies03:22Using Winter Covers and Debris Covers Effectively06:56Safety Regulations and Pool Fencing Requirements11:04Seasonal Business Planning and Marketing Strategies18:00Water Safety and Drowning Prevention Insights23:42Preparing Your Business for Winter Challenges26:13Promoting Safety and Compliance to Clients28:41Closing Remarks and Next Steps Support the showThank you so much for listening! You can find us on social media: Facebook Instagram Tik Tok Email us: talkingpools@gmail.com

Pool Pros text questions hereIn this episode of Flock It Friday, Rudy Stankowitz revisits the topic of borates in swimming pools, exploring the chemistry behind them, the regulatory history, and why recent geopolitical tensions have brought boron compounds back into the conversation.Recent instability in key shipping corridors such as the Strait of Hormuz, the Red Sea, and the Suez Canal has raised concerns about global freight movement. Since Turkey holds the world's largest boron reserves and supplies a significant portion of the global market through its state-owned producer Eti Maden, disruptions in shipping routes could tighten the supply chain that delivers boric acid to the U.S. market. The chemistry itself hasn't changed—the mines are still operating—but the logistics that move industrial minerals around the world can shift quickly.Rudy then breaks down the science behind borates. In pool water, boron compounds typically exist as boric acid and borate ions, forming a secondary buffering system that helps resist pH drift, especially in pools with saltwater chlorine generators, where aeration accelerates carbon dioxide loss and causes pH to rise.Most pools that use borates maintain concentrations between 30 and 50 ppm. Below that range the buffering effect becomes minimal, and above it there is little additional benefit. Once added, borates remain stable in the water and are only removed through dilution, splash-out, backwashing, or water replacement.Borates are often described as algistatic, meaning they may inhibit algae growth, but they should not be considered a primary algaecide. Chlorine remains the primary sanitizer responsible for algae control.The episode also touches on the regulatory evolution surrounding borates. Following the introduction of NSF/ANSI Standard 50 Annex R in 2015, many niche pool chemical additives—including borate products—were not pursued for certification under the updated framework. As a result, borates largely disappeared from modern certification listings, though they remain widely used in residential pools where certification is not required.The bigger takeaway is that the chemistry hasn't changed—but the systems that deliver pool chemicals have. In today's global economy, the most complicated part of pool chemistry may not be the reactions happening in the water, but the international supply chains that bring those chemicals to the pool service professional. Support the showThank you so much for listening! You can find us on social media: Facebook Instagram Tik Tok Email us: talkingpools@gmail.com