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Send us a text In this high-impact episode of the Customer Success Playbook, hosts Kevin Metzger and Roman Trebon welcome Mary Schmid, MBA, a communication and leadership expert with a passion for rewiring how we listen. Mary reveals how to shift from surface-level exchanges to trust-building dialogues by embracing her "Conversational Edge" framework. Rather than defaulting to advice-giving, Mary urges professionals to pause and lean into connection-first listening. With a foundation in neuroscience, she explains how we unconsciously drop out of conversations every 12 to 18 seconds—and how to stay tuned in. If you think you're a good listener, this episode might surprise you.Detailed Analysis: This episode flips the script on what it means to be a "trusted advisor." Mary Schmid argues that client relationships are often eroded by a focus on proving expertise instead of demonstrating care. Using brain science as a guide, she introduces the idea that effective listening triggers the brain's trust response. Listeners are walked through a conversational sequence that begins with understanding the situation, moves into exploring the client's thoughts and emotions, and culminates in assessing the impact. The goal? Helping clients feel heard, not herded.Mary deftly explains how traditional expertise-driven dialogue creates power imbalances, pushing clients into defensive, disengaged states. In contrast, her approach taps into the oxytocin-powered trust circuit by creating psychological safety. The episode offers practical examples and humorous insights—including Kevin getting called out for zoning out every few seconds (we're looking at you, Kevin).For business leaders and customer success professionals, Mary provides a vital reminder: real influence stems from emotional connection, not intellectual superiority. When you guide a client into collaborative discovery, rather than corner them with solutions, you spark engagement and build lasting loyalty.Her parting wisdom? Respect begins with listening to connect, not correct.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookCheck out https://funnelstory.ai/ for more details about Funnelstory. You can also check out our full video review of the product on YouTube at https://youtu.be/4jChYZBVz2Y.Please Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn this forward-looking Friday edition of the Customer Success Playbook, Cairo Marsh returns to round out his trilogy of episodes with a critical discussion: can artificial intelligence enhance empathy in customer experience, or does it risk eliminating the human touch? Cairo, Roman, and Kevin dive into the real-world uses of AI in sentiment analysis, automation, and service design, exploring when and how AI tools can be customer-centric rather than just cost-centric. From call centers to cultural nuance, this conversation balances optimism with realism.Detailed Analysis: The final installment in Cairo Marsh's series on the Customer Success Playbook podcast explores the intersection of artificial intelligence and empathetic customer experience. While AI is often championed for its efficiency and cost-saving potential, Cairo is quick to caution that most implementations prioritize business needs over customer value—a misalignment that risks undermining trust.He argues that true empathy-driven AI must empower the customer, not just the brand. The conversation unpacks this idea with practical examples: AI as a helpful tool for low-value, transactional queries ("Did my payment clear?") versus high-emotion, high-stakes moments ("I've been in a car accident"), where human connection is irreplaceable. The team discusses the strategic importance of context in deciding where AI belongs.But the episode doesn't stop at critique. Kevin and Roman offer ideas on human-AI collaboration—pairing agents with AI copilots to enhance real-time service without sacrificing warmth. Cairo reinforces that the real opportunity lies in using AI to support customers on their terms, not as a substitute for authentic engagement.In a surprisingly touching moment, Cairo shares a story from a bank in Taiwan, illustrating that sometimes, the most valuable service is simply human presence. As businesses embrace automation, remembering our innate desire for connection may be the key to designing AI with empathy.This episode challenges us to ask: Is your AI working for you, or for your customers?Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookCheck out https://funnelstory.ai/ for more details about Funnelstory. You can also check out our full video review of the product on YouTube at https://youtu.be/4jChYZBVz2Y.Please Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn this midweek edition of the Customer Success Playbook, Cairo Marsh returns to the mic to explore the layered world of empathetic marketing across cultures. From the Bronx to Tokyo, Cairo's lived experience adds a global lens to his practical insights on designing connection-first marketing strategies. He unpacks how empathy drives retention, not just acquisition, and reveals a three-tiered framework for building brand relationships based on product, brand identity, and social capital.Detailed Analysis: Cairo Marsh is back for part two, and the conversation dives even deeper. What begins as a lighthearted exchange about food adventures in Tokyo quickly transforms into a tactical discussion on what it means to build marketing strategies that resonate across diverse cultural contexts.The heart of this episode lies in Cairo's model of connection:Functional (product value)Emotional (brand resonance)Social (status or identity alignment)By structuring messaging and experiences around these layers, brands can meet customers where they are—geographically and emotionally. Cairo shares how this model works globally, with examples from his own bi-continental agency experience.But Cairo doesn't stop at strategy. He addresses the million-dollar question: how do you measure the impact of empathy? His answer is both practical and powerful: combine transactional data with perceptual insights to understand not just what customers do, but why they do it. That "why," he argues, is the leading indicator of business success.Crucially, the episode draws a bridge between marketing and customer success. Cairo emphasizes that empathy shouldn't end at conversion. It's the glue that holds the entire post-sale journey together—retention, loyalty, and advocacy all benefit when brands treat customers like humans, not just metrics.This conversation is a masterclass in global customer connection and a blueprint for embedding empathy across every phase of the customer journey. It's also a prelude to the next episode, where Cairo returns to unpack how AI fits into the empathy equation.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookCheck out https://funnelstory.ai/ for more details about Funnelstory. You can also check out our full video review of the product on YouTube at https://youtu.be/4jChYZBVz2Y.Please Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textThis episode of the Customer Success Playbook welcomes Cairo Marsh, Founder and Executive Partner of Relative, for a thought-provoking conversation on empathy-led marketing. Cairo shares his top tip for organizations seeking to harness empathy as a competitive advantage: focus on value at every touchpoint. From Patagonia's purpose-driven branding to the basics of transactional incentives, Cairo offers real-world examples of brands that resonate by placing customer needs front and center. It's not just marketing—it's relationship building at scale.Detailed Analysis: In this crisp yet powerful episode, Cairo Marsh challenges traditional marketing mindsets by reframing empathy as a strategic asset rather than a soft skill. He lays out a pragmatic approach to empathetic marketing that begins with a deceptively simple question: "What does your audience need right now?" It's not about gimmicks or grand gestures but about delivering meaningful value at every interaction.Using brands like Patagonia as a compass, Cairo underscores how value can transcend the transactional. Patagonia's commitment to sustainability offers customers purpose beyond product—a model for values-driven engagement that earns loyalty. On the flip side, Cairo doesn't shy away from acknowledging that even simple sweepstakes or incentives can serve as valid forms of value, as long as they're designed with the customer's benefit in mind.The conversation also touches on the psychological shift needed within companies. Empathy isn't a campaign—it's a culture. And it begins with a genuine interest in your customer's world. Cairo likens this to personal relationships, where curiosity and attentiveness build trust. Businesses should behave less like sociopaths (his words, not ours) and more like thoughtful partners.Whether you're building a brand or fine-tuning your customer journey, this episode is a potent reminder: empathy scales. It informs marketing, strengthens loyalty, and enhances every element of the customer success playbook.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookCheck out https://funnelstory.ai/ for more details about Funnelstory. You can also check out our full video review of the product on YouTube at https://youtu.be/4jChYZBVz2Y.Please Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn the final episode of this powerful three-part series, the Customer Success Playbook Podcast welcomes back Shep Hyken for a forward-looking discussion on AI's role in customer experience. From customer trust and chatbot misfires to the fear of messing up (FOMU), Shep breaks down the opportunities and pitfalls of artificial intelligence in service.Detailed Analysis: Kevin Metzger and Roman Trebon wrap up the Shep Hyken trilogy with a candid conversation on how AI is both transforming and challenging the customer service landscape. While 68% of customers still prefer phone support, Shep's latest research reveals a promising shift: 50% of consumers have successfully resolved issues with AI-driven support. But there's a catch—another 50% report being misled by AI.That duality sets the stage for Shep's deeper message: AI must offer convenience without creating confusion. The brands that win will be those who design seamless handoffs to humans when bots fall short, and those who tailor support channels based on customer demographics. Shep emphasizes that CX isn't about chasing tech trends—it's about knowing your customer and building trust at every touchpoint.He introduces a key fear hindering AI adoption: not FOMO (fear of missing out), but FOMU—fear of messing up. Many organizations hesitate to modernize due to sunk costs in legacy tech or risk aversion among leadership. But as Shep points out, the true risk is falling behind the expectations set by the best experiences customers have had—regardless of industry.As a bonus, Shep shares where to find his expansive research, including his 2025 State of Customer Service and CX report, freely available at https://hyken.com/research/.This episode is essential for any business leader looking to leverage AI wisely and responsibly in the age of customer experience.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookCheck out https://funnelstory.ai/ for more details about Funnelstory. You can also check out our full video review of the product on YouTube at https://youtu.be/4jChYZBVz2Y.Please Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn this value-packed episode of the Customer Success Playbook podcast, Shep Hyken returns for Part 2 of our three-part series to address the billion-dollar question: How do companies balance price sensitivity with the growing demand for exceptional customer experiences? From mentalism to magic moments, Shep draws surprising parallels between sleight-of-hand and customer loyalty while unpacking game-changing insights from his CX research.Detailed Analysis: Kevin Metzger and Roman Trebon dive deep with customer service guru Shep Hyken, and this time it's all about one powerful word: convenience. Drawing from his acclaimed book The Convenience Revolution and the 2025 State of Customer Service and CX report, Shep lays out how brands can make price less relevant by making the customer experience more effortless. And no, that doesn't mean grand gestures—it means smart, consistent, and friction-free experiences.Key insight? A whopping 59% of consumers are willing to pay more for a better experience, but especially for one that's more convenient. Case in point: Shep shares a brilliant Wall Street Journal case study showing how simplifying subscription forms led to a measurable increase in conversions. The takeaway? Every unnecessary field is a friction point that erodes revenue.Shep also explores how the pandemic accelerated customer expectations for convenience—a trend that is here to stay. He uses real-life examples, including Amazon and even a local car dealership in St. Louis, to prove that making things easy builds loyalty that price alone can't buy.And if you thought this was all business, think again. Shep opens the episode with a personal twist—his love for guitar, magic, and Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead, weaving them seamlessly into his customer service philosophy.Don't miss this episode if you're in customer success, support, or CX leadership. For more context and deeper insights, explore Shep's full CX research at https://hyken.com/research/.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookCheck out https://funnelstory.ai/ for more details about Funnelstory. You can also check out our full video review of the product on YouTube at https://youtu.be/4jChYZBVz2Y.Please Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textGet ready for a masterclass in customer service strategy with the legendary Shep Hyken. In this milestone episode of the Customer Success Playbook podcast, Shep breaks down key takeaways from his newly released "2025 State of Customer Service and CX" report. Discover why being merely "fine" won't cut it anymore, how consistency trumps heroics, and the one word that defines customer loyalty.Detailed Analysis: In this lively and enlightening conversation, Kevin Metzger and Roman Trebon sit down with renowned speaker and author Shep Hyken to unpack the shifting expectations shaping the future of customer service. Shep's insights challenge the outdated belief that "satisfactory" is good enough. Spoiler alert: it's not. According to his report, 27% of customers say they'll start looking elsewhere if a company only delivers a satisfactory experience. In his words, "Fine is the F-bomb of customer experience."But what does it take to rise above "fine"? Shep doesn't just point to grand gestures; instead, he emphasizes the power of small, consistent actions. Whether it's using a customer's name or always being helpful and approachable, it's about showing up reliably and slightly exceeding expectations. Shep shares how legendary brands like Ritz-Carlton win not by going over the top, but by being just 10% better than average—consistently. That 3.3 on a 5-point scale? That's where magic lives.This episode is packed with actionable gems for anyone in customer success, support, or CX leadership. If you're looking to fine-tune your 2025 customer strategy, Shep delivers the roadmap with charm, clarity, and a touch of humor.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookCheck out https://funnelstory.ai/ for more details about Funnelstory. You can also check out our full video review of the product on YouTube at https://youtu.be/4jChYZBVz2Y.Please Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn the finale of our three-part series, Matt LeMay takes on the tech world's shiniest object: artificial intelligence. From summarizing meeting notes to influencing million-dollar decisions, AI is here to stay. But Matt warns against using AI as a goal unto itself. Product teams must ground their experimentation in business logic—or risk becoming distractions.Detailed Analysis: Episode 39 brings a timely and pragmatic take on AI in product management. Matt acknowledges AI's strengths—particularly in summarizing information and idea generation—but urges caution. When AI tools lack source context, they can mislead as easily as they can inform. The key is discernment: understanding when AI adds value and when it distracts.The team unpacks how AI is impacting product roadmaps, budgeting, and even job security. Matt shares war stories of teams told to "do something with AI," only to later realize the result consumed $200K to close a $50K deal. Oops.But this isn't an anti-AI rant. Matt offers frameworks to leverage AI wisely while keeping business impact front and center. If you're going to play with shiny tools, make sure they're solving real problems.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookCheck out https://funnelstory.ai/ for more details about Funnelstory. You can also check out our full video review of the product on YouTube at https://youtu.be/4jChYZBVz2Y.Please Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn part two, the gloves come off. Kevin and Roman dive into the chaos of defining impact across diverse teams with Matt LeMay. From freemium metrics to ROI confusion, Matt exposes why so many organizations fail to align on what "impact" actually means. This episode is your backstage pass to better collaboration and smarter goal setting.Detailed Analysis: Episode 38 tackles the messy business of misaligned metrics. Matt shares how product teams often assume they understand impact—only to find marketing, customer success, and sales have completely different definitions. The result? Disjointed strategies and missed opportunities.Matt calls for radical alignment: teams should set goals no more than one step removed from company-level objectives. This not only surfaces tension between teams (think lifetime value vs. new users) but creates a dialogue for harmonizing objectives. Collaboration isn't optional; it's the secret weapon.The episode also zooms out, showing that Matt's framework applies far beyond product. Marketing, customer success, even sales can use the same approach to rethink how they measure success. This isn't just a methodology. It's a mindset shift. If your goals live in the middle zone of vagueness, it's time to bridge the gap between strategy and execution.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookCheck out https://funnelstory.ai/ for more details about Funnelstory. You can also check out our full video review of the product on YouTube at https://youtu.be/4jChYZBVz2Y.Please Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textWe kick off this powerhouse three-part series with Matt LeMay, author of Impact First Product Teams. In this episode, we challenge the default mindset of "shipping features" and dig into how product teams can align closely with business-level outcomes. Matt lays down his number one tip for product leaders: set goals that are both high impact and high specificity. Prepare to rethink everything you thought you knew about prioritizing work.Detailed Analysis: Episode 37 sets the foundation for what it truly means to run a high-impact product team. Matt LeMay debunks the myth that asking leadership what they expect is the best starting point. Instead, he argues that teams must own the understanding of their value, crafting goals that tie directly to revenue, growth, or customer success metrics. The formula? Set ambitious, specific, and time-bound objectives. But here comes the twist: doing this invites the Eye of Sauron (yes, that Lord of the Rings reference was glorious). High visibility comes with accountability.Matt doesn't just stop at theory. He discusses how real teams can move from doing busy work to delivering business value by asking the right internal questions and being brave enough to commit to uncomfortable levels of accountability. Product leaders, take note: if your team is just shipping features, you may already be obsolete.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookCheck out https://funnelstory.ai/ for more details about Funnelstory. You can also check out our full video review of the product on YouTube at https://youtu.be/4jChYZBVz2Y.Please Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIt's AI Friday on the Customer Success Playbook! In this forward-looking finale of our three-part series with Ken Sandy, we explore how artificial intelligence is reshaping product leadership. From discovery and prototyping to ethical decision-making and team collaboration, AI is not just changing the tools—it's changing the very skills product managers need. Whether you're a product leader or part of a cross-functional team, this conversation offers a roadmap for navigating the AI evolution without losing your human touch.Detailed Description: In this must-listen conclusion to our three-part series, Roman Trebon and Kevin Metzger sit down once again with Ken Sandy, author of The Influential Product Manager, to dissect how AI is revolutionizing the way product managers work.Ken kicks things off with a big-picture perspective: AI's impact will be long-term and transformative, but not immediate or magic. Drawing from past technological revolutions, he explains the familiar hype cycle—from inflated expectations to eventual disruption—and positions AI right in the middle of it.But the real gold is in the practical insights. Ken dives into how AI will affect key aspects of product management:Discovery: Use AI to mine customer support data, user behavior, and feedback at scale, unlocking deeper, faster insights.Prototyping: Rapidly build and iterate concepts using AI-driven tools, allowing for early validation (and quick abandonment of bad ideas).Experimentation: Run more robust, scalable tests that bring clarity to customer behavior and optimize solutions in-market.Ken also delivers a reality check: AI is powerful, but it doesn't replace collaboration. The partnership between product, design, engineering, and CX is more essential than ever. He warns against operating in silos or outsourcing ethical judgment to machines. AI may hallucinate; your team still needs to lead.Plus, the group tackles the tricky topic of technical debt, the future of documentation, and why empathy remains a product leader's superpower. This isn't just a conversation about AI—it's a compelling call to reimagine how we solve problems together.If you want to lead with AI rather than be led by it, this episode is your launchpad.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookKeywords:Artificial IntelligenceProduct ManagementCustomer Success PlaybookStrategic InnovationDiscoveryPrototypingExperimentationCross-functional CollaborationTechnical DebtEmpathy in LeadershipCheck out https://funnelstory.ai/ for more details about Funnelstory. You can also check out our full video review of the product on YouTube at https://youtu.be/4jChYZBVz2Y.Please Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn this dynamic midweek episode of the Customer Success Playbook, Kevin Metzger and Roman Trebon are back with product leadership veteran Ken Sandy. This time, Ken tackles one of the most pressing challenges in modern product management: how to juggle the urgent demand for quick wins with the strategic need for long-term customer value. He delivers practical frameworks, witty anecdotes, and powerful reframes that will resonate far beyond the product team.Detailed Description: We've all felt the squeeze: stakeholders want that feature live yesterday, while customers expect thoughtful innovation. In this energizing conversation, Ken Sandy—author of The Influential Product Manager—returns to the Customer Success Playbook to answer one big question: how can product leaders (and cross-functional teams) balance short-term revenue goals with long-term innovation?Ken starts with a provocative truth: solving meaningful customer problems should inherently deliver business value. If it doesn't, the strategy might be missing the mark. He then walks through three steps to align customer-centric strategy with day-to-day execution:Elevate customer value metrics to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with revenue goals.Build and own a strategic roadmap that provides clarity and intention beyond reactive requests.Track and communicate resource allocation so trade-off decisions are rooted in data, not drama.What follows is a masterclass in how influence, transparency, and structured thinking can replace the chaos of ad hoc demands. Ken's insights extend beyond product management. Customer success teams, account managers, and business leaders will find immediately usable tools to help their organizations solve the right problems for the right reasons.Don't miss this sharp, relatable, and practical playbook for aligning execution with vision—no matter what department you call home.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookCheck out https://funnelstory.ai/ for more details about Funnelstory. You can also check out our full video review of the product on YouTube at https://youtu.be/4jChYZBVz2Y.Please Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn this episode of the Customer Success Playbook, hosts Roman Trebon and Kevin Metzger sit down with Ken Sandy, author of The Influential Product Manager, to uncover the secret sauce behind leadership without formal authority. Ken draws on 25 years of product leadership to explain why "leading through influence" isn't just a survival skill—it's a superpower. From understanding organizational objectives to aligning cross-functional teams around shared goals, Ken emphasizes that effective leadership is rooted in context, not control.Detailed Description: Product managers often find themselves in high-stakes roles without the luxury of direct authority. So how do they drive outcomes, rally teams, and deliver for customers? According to Ken Sandy, the answer lies in mastering the art of influence. In this episode, Ken challenges the common misconception that authority is essential for leadership and argues that real power comes from shared purpose and contextual clarity.Ken's number one tip? "Context is king." He explains how product managers (and frankly, anyone in a leadership role) can boost their influence by investing deeply in the "why" behind a project—not just the "what" or "how." When teams understand the problem space, customer needs, and desired outcomes, they become partners in problem-solving rather than passive executors of a plan.This conversation isn't just for PMs. Project managers, customer success professionals, and cross-functional leaders of all stripes will find actionable wisdom here. Ken also underscores that influence isn't a nice-to-have skill—it's a must-have capability for anyone navigating complex organizations. And spoiler alert: influence actually makes you more objective, more collaborative, and ultimately more effective.Packed with humor, insight, and practical guidance, this episode delivers a fresh perspective on leadership that breaks the mold. If you're ready to up-level your impact without needing a bigger title, this one's for you.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookCheck out https://funnelstory.ai/ for more details about Funnelstory. You can also check out our full video review of the product on YouTube at https://youtu.be/4jChYZBVz2Y.Please Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textLet's demystify the magic behind streamlined customer success operations. In this episode of the Customer Success Playbook podcast, Kevin Metzger sits down with Gilad Shriki from Scope to unpack their strategic integration of FunnelStory. They dive into privacy-first data management, lightning-fast time-to-value, and how AI is reshaping how teams interact with data. Plus, find out why Gilad believes FunnelStory might just be the one platform to rule them all.Detailed Description with Business Insights: In this engaging episode of the Customer Success Playbook, Kevin Metzger interviews Gilad Shriki, Head of Customer Experience at Scope, who offers a real-world case study of successfully implementing FunnelStory. With Roman Trebon off this week, Kevin navigates a thoughtful conversation that brings valuable technical and strategic takeaways to customer success leaders.Gilad breaks down how Scope maintains data privacy by leveraging a custom anonymization layer before syncing anonymized data into BigQuery. From there, FunnelStory becomes the centerpiece of their CS tech stack, tightly integrated with HubSpot and Segment. The result? A seamless, compliant, and highly performant system that delivers actionable insights with minimal setup.The discussion peels back the curtain on modern data stack integrations, emphasizing the importance of time-to-value and the benefits of designing for automation-first customer success platforms. Gilad candidly explains how FunnelStory outperformed expectations by offering an intuitive plug-and-play experience and how its engineering team's responsiveness created a frictionless implementation.Most notably, Gilad envisions FunnelStory not just as a visibility tool but as a centralized hub for both automation and human interaction. His goal? A single pane of glass where CSMs manage sentiment, risk, and engagement—without needing to bolt on other platforms like Gainsight.If you're scaling a CS org or rethinking your tech stack, this episode is your playbook for staying lean without sacrificing power. Tune in and learn how a privacy-first, AI-powered, integrated system can revolutionize how you scale customer success.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn this engaging episode of the Customer Success Playbook Podcast, host Kevin Metzger sits down with Gilad Shriki from The Scope to explore how FunnelStory is transforming customer success operations. With seamless integration capabilities and a robust automation-first approach, FunnelStory is setting a new standard for customer success platforms.Gilad shares insights into how his team successfully integrated FunnelStory with BigQuery, HubSpot, and Segment, all while maintaining strict data privacy protocols. He also discusses how AI-driven automation is enhancing customer sentiment analysis and churn prediction, giving CS teams an edge in proactive engagement.Is Funnel Story truly a one-stop shop for customer success? Can businesses of all sizes leverage its automation without sacrificing human interaction? Listen in as Gilad provides a firsthand account of his experience and why he believes FunnelStory is reshaping the future of customer success management.Detailed Episode Insights:Seamless Integration: How The Scope connected FunnelStory with their existing data stack while maintaining PII privacy.Automation at the Core: Why starting with automation before layering in human interaction changes the game for CS teams.AI-Powered Efficiency: How FunnelStory is accelerating time-to-value and making predictive insights more accessible.Scalability & Growth: Can FunnelStory support businesses up to $500M in revenue? Gilad shares his perspective.The Future of CS Tech: What's next for AI-powered customer success platforms?Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textSummary: Dive into an engaging conversation with Gilad Shriki, Co-founder of Descope, as he shares transformative insights on leveraging FunnelStory to optimize customer journey visibility. Learn how understanding customer data can shape strategic decisions and drive impactful customer success initiatives. This episode offers a deep dive into how FunnelStory can bring clarity and actionable insights to complex customer behaviors.Detailed Analysis: In this episode of the Customer Success Playbook, Kevin Metzger hosts Gilad Shriki, Co-founder of Descope, who sheds light on the pivotal role FunnelStory played in transforming their approach to customer success. Descope, a customer identity and access management platform, faced challenges in understanding the varying paths customers took post-sign-up. Gilad candidly shares how implementing FunnelStory allowed Descope to visualize customer engagement, segment journeys, and prioritize action steps effectively.Gilad emphasizes the power of data visibility in managing diverse customer needs. By categorizing customers into profiles based on engagement levels, Descope could tailor actions and allocate resources more strategically. The episode highlights how FunnelStory's quick data integration and intuitive funnel views provide immediate clarity, enabling teams to proactively guide customers through their journey.For startups navigating rapid growth or mature companies seeking deeper customer insights, this episode underscores the importance of actionable data. It's a masterclass in how understanding customer behavior can elevate success strategies and drive meaningful engagement.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textSummary: In the finale of their insightful series, the Customer Success Playbook podcast hosts Roman Trebon and Kevin Metzger engage with Marcello Calbucci to unpack how AI is influencing the PR FAQ framework. Marcello shares key strategies on leveraging AI for research and feedback while cautioning against over-reliance that may erode critical thinking. From AI's role in enhancing processes to maintaining originality in strategic planning, this episode offers practical takeaways for leaders aiming to innovate wisely and effectively.Detailed Analysis: Wrapping up an engaging series with Marcello Calbucci, this episode dives deep into the intersection of AI and the PR FAQ framework. Marcello begins by distinguishing the different ways AI can be utilized in the strategic process—from research to critiquing work—but he issues a vital caution: relying on AI for strategic thinking can result in average outcomes and missed opportunities for true innovation.Key discussion points include:The three ways AI can support work: research, execution, and critique.Why using AI for strategic decision-making may lead to average, non-differentiated results.How AI can accelerate research while ensuring human oversight drives strategic creativity.The importance of preserving the collaborative process of PR FAQ to ensure diverse, innovative perspectives.Best practices for conducting post-delivery PR FAQ review meetings, including Amazon-style silent reading and structured discussion formats.Marcello also shares how he has developed a custom ChatGPT on his website, providing tailored insights for teams looking to refine their PR FAQs. He underscores that while AI can enhance efficiency, the real value lies in the process of strategic debate, collaboration, and critical thinking.For leaders navigating the evolving landscape of AI and strategic innovation, this episode is packed with thoughtful insights on balancing technology with human creativity. It's an essential listen for anyone refining their customer success playbook.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookCheck out https://funnelstory.ai/ for more details about Funnelstory. You can also check out our full video review of the product on YouTube at https://youtu.be/4jChYZBVz2Y.Please Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textSummary: In this engaging episode of the Customer Success Playbook podcast, hosts Kevin Metzger and Roman Trebon continue their deep dive with Marcello Calbucci, exploring how organizations can successfully integrate the PR FAQ framework. Marcello shares strategies for overcoming resistance to change, emphasizes the importance of writing in fostering critical thinking, and explains how the PR FAQ process can help teams kill ineffective ideas early, saving time and resources. If you're looking to drive smarter innovation and enhance your customer success playbook, this episode is a must-listen.Detailed Analysis: Marcello Calbucci returns to the podcast, bringing valuable insights into how organizations can effectively adopt the PR FAQ framework. The conversation kicks off with a few light-hearted questions, offering a glimpse into Marcello's personal interests, from travel aspirations to his favorite Seattle hotspots.The discussion then shifts to the core challenge: how can organizations embrace the PR FAQ framework, especially when they are used to traditional presentation methods? Marcello emphasizes starting small—choosing a contained project that allows teams to practice and refine their approach. He underscores that this iterative process helps organizations learn, adapt, and eventually drive better innovation outcomes.Key insights include:Why top-down mandates for new frameworks often fail.The value of piloting the PR FAQ with smaller projects to refine the process.How the PR FAQ encourages cross-functional collaboration and reduces siloed thinking.The role of storytelling and clear writing in fostering better strategic thinking.How the process naturally weeds out weak ideas, saving organizations time and resources.Marcello also introduces the concept of the PR FAQ's "three superpowers": enhancing critical thinking, fostering clearer articulation of ideas, and inspiring teams with a vision that feels tangible and achievable. He stresses that while the writing process may feel daunting, it's a powerful tool for sharpening ideas and ensuring everyone is aligned.This episode is not just about adopting a framework but about reshaping how organizations think, collaborate, and innovate. If you're striving for better strategic clarity and stronger customer success outcomes, tune in and learn how the PR FAQ can be a catalyst for meaningful change.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textSummary: In this dynamic episode of the Customer Success Playbook podcast, hosts Roman Trebon and Kevin Metzger sit down with Marcello Calbucci, technologist, innovator, and author of the PR FAQ framework. Together, they unpack how Amazon's Press Release and Frequently Asked Questions method fosters innovation and sharpens strategic decision-making. Marcello shares his journey, the power of collaborative input, and why the PR FAQ can be a game-changer for organizations striving for customer success. Whether you're a startup founder or an enterprise leader, this episode is packed with actionable strategies to elevate your approach.Detailed Analysis: Marcello Calbucci brings a wealth of experience to the conversation, highlighting how the PR FAQ framework—originally pioneered at Amazon—can transform how businesses conceptualize and execute innovative ideas. This six-page, narrative-driven approach compels organizations to deeply consider customer perspectives, ensuring a more aligned and inclusive decision-making process.Key discussion points include:The genesis and structure of the PR FAQ framework.How involving diverse teams from legal to finance enriches the decision-making process.Why traditional presentation tools like PowerPoint may hinder alignment and buy-in.The importance of creating narratives that resonate and withstand scrutiny.Practical insights on integrating PR FAQ into various organizational contexts.Marcello emphasizes that involving stakeholders early fosters ownership and enhances the robustness of ideas—transforming potential resistance into proactive contribution. He also teases upcoming insights on common pitfalls and best practices when implementing the PR FAQ, which will be explored in a follow-up session.For organizations seeking clarity, alignment, and customer-centric innovation, this episode is a must-listen.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookCheck out https://funnelstory.ai/ for more details about Funnelstory. You can also check out our full video review of the product on YouTube at https://youtu.be/4jChYZBVz2Y.Please Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textSummary: Get ready for an electrifying AI Friday as hosts Roman Trebon and Kevin Metzger wrap up their three-part series with AI expert David Singer. In this episode, the trio dives deep into how AI is reshaping customer experience, employee satisfaction, and business outcomes. From real-world success stories to a visionary look into the future of AI in contact centers, this conversation is packed with actionable insights. Discover how organizations are leveraging AI to improve NPS scores, reduce employee attrition, and enhance customer interactions. If you're looking to harness AI for tangible business results, this episode is a must-listen.Detailed Analysis: In this episode of the Customer Success Playbook Podcast, Kevin and Roman sit down with David Singer to uncover the true impact of AI on customer success. David breaks down the essential AI strategy: start with the outcome first, then apply AI to optimize processes and workflows.Listeners will hear real-world examples of companies that have successfully used AI-driven dashboards to boost customer experience and employee engagement, leading to a 17% increase in NPS and a 25% reduction in employee attrition. David also paints a compelling picture of the future, where AI deployment will become more cost-effective and widespread, allowing for real-time interventions in customer and employee interactions.The conversation also touches on the evolution of AI in the contact center industry and the shift toward AI-driven numerical modeling. With AI's cost decreasing and accessibility increasing, businesses have more opportunities than ever to implement micro-assists and intelligent automation that enhance both customer and employee experiences.If you're eager to understand how AI can drive measurable ROI and transform customer success, don't miss this episode.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textSummary: How do you strike the perfect balance between automation and human connection in customer service? In this episode of the Customer Success Playbook, hosts Roman Trebon and Kevin Metzger sit down with David Singer, Global VP at Verve, to explore the critical role emotional intelligence (EQ) plays in customer interactions. Dave shares compelling stories and practical insights on when automation should step aside to let human empathy shine. From AI-driven escalation detection to real-world examples of EQ saving the customer experience, this conversation is packed with actionable takeaways for business leaders.Detailed Analysis: Customer service is evolving fast, but one thing remains constant: customers want to feel heard. David Singer dives deep into the interplay between automation and human interaction, highlighting that while self-service tools are invaluable, there are moments when a real human connection is irreplaceable. He walks us through the nuances of identifying these moments—whether through journey mapping, intuition, or advanced AI tools that detect emotional shifts in real time.Dave illustrates his points with vivid anecdotes: a well-timed call from an online car retailer, an empathetic insurance agent cementing lifelong customer loyalty, and AI tools that recognize when an agent is emotionally drained. His key message? Emotional intelligence isn't just about customer experience—it's also about empowering employees to perform at their best.For businesses looking to optimize their CX strategy, this episode offers a fresh perspective on harmonizing automation with authentic human engagement. Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textSummary: Welcome to the final installment of our three-part series with Martin Vogel on the Customer Success Playbook Podcast! This week, we dive into the transformative role AI plays in global support frameworks—particularly in the hardware plus SaaS world. AI isn't just a buzzword; it's changing the way businesses handle predictive insights, proactive service, and internal efficiencies. From making sense of massive data streams to optimizing processes and improving coaching strategies, AI is proving to be a game-changer. If you've ever wondered how to harness AI for better customer outcomes, this episode is for you.Detailed Analysis: In this insightful conversation, Martin Vogel, alongside hosts Roman Trebon and Kevin Metzger, explores how AI is helping companies cut through the noise of massive hardware data and streamline support operations. AI-driven analytics offer a clearer picture of device performance, support tickets, and user behaviors, allowing businesses to shift from reactive to proactive service models.Kevin highlights how AI can structure knowledge bases, transforming recorded conversations into actionable insights—eliminating the need for manual documentation. The discussion also delves into AI's ability to free up developer time, ensuring that valuable resources are allocated toward customer-centric improvements rather than repetitive tasks. Meanwhile, Roman emphasizes AI's potential in coaching and training, making feedback loops more efficient and tailored.As AI continues to evolve, its role in customer success becomes more indispensable. Whether it's reducing inefficiencies, automating routine tasks, or enhancing learning, AI is redefining the way businesses engage with customers. Don't miss this deep dive into the intersection of AI, hardware, and customer success.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textSummary: How do you expand into new verticals and regions while still keeping your current customers happy? That's the one big question we tackle in this episode of the Customer Success Playbook Podcast. Hosts Kevin Metzger and Roman Trebon welcome back Martin Vogel to explore the challenges of scaling a business while maintaining strong customer relationships.Martin shares insights on maintaining customer intimacy at scale, the risks of focusing too much on urgent matters over important long-term goals, and why high-touch relationships can become unsustainable. He also discusses the importance of building strong foundational processes and knowledge bases to ensure seamless support, even as your customer base evolves. Plus, we get a glimpse into Martin's productivity hacks and how he unwinds outside of the customer success world.Detailed Analysis: Scaling a business is thrilling, but it can also create real tension between acquiring new customers and continuing to serve existing ones effectively. Martin Vogel emphasizes the necessity of prioritizing value creation at every stage of growth. His approach? Think beyond the immediate fire drills and focus on establishing processes that will support your company in the long run.One of the biggest challenges in scaling is avoiding the common trap of over-indexing on urgent issues rather than investing in sustainable infrastructure. As your business grows, your biggest customers today may not hold the same weight tomorrow. Martin explains how early process implementation and documentation allow companies to maintain high service levels without overextending resources.Another key theme? The evolution of customer relationships. Early-stage companies rely heavily on high-touch engagements, but as new customers flood in, this model can break down. Martin provides strategies for ensuring smaller clients don't get drowned out by larger ones, such as implementing scalable knowledge bases and refining first-time resolution processes.And of course, we couldn't have this discussion without touching on AI. While today's episode stays focused on traditional scaling methods, Kevin teases Friday's episode, where AI's role in predictive insights and proactive service takes center stage.Whether you're leading customer success at a startup or scaling an established enterprise, this episode is packed with practical insights you can apply right away.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textSummary: In this episode of the Customer Success Playbook, hosts Roman Trebon and Kevin Metzger sit down with Martin Vogel, an executive leader in global customer support and complex hardware-plus-SaaS solutions. They dive deep into the challenges of establishing a scalable, efficient global support framework and ensuring immediate and long-term value for customers. Martin shares practical strategies, including understanding regional differences, creating simple yet robust processes, and prioritizing clear communication. Tune in for actionable insights on balancing SaaS and hardware support, diagnosing technical issues effectively, and implementing a continuous learning framework for your support teams.Detailed Analysis: What does it take to build a world-class global support framework? According to Martin Vogel, it all starts with knowing where you are. Mapping out existing structures, understanding regional differences, and tailoring processes accordingly are critical first steps. With experience spanning multiple continents, Martin emphasizes the need for a structured yet flexible approach to global support.The conversation highlights key components of a strong support framework:Understanding regional nuances: Markets differ in their support structures and expectations. Europe's established systems contrast with the U.S.'s ground-up approach, necessitating a flexible global strategy.Defining simple, scalable processes: Complex frameworks don't work if they aren't easy to implement. Martin stresses the need for clarity in process creation.Effective communication across teams: Building a bridge between different support teams ensures alignment and consistency in customer experience.Balancing SaaS and hardware support: With hardware-origin companies increasingly incorporating SaaS, Martin discusses best practices for integrating both seamlessly.Training and knowledge management: He introduces an LMS-based approach to training, emphasizing problem diagnosis, knowledge base documentation, and incident reviews.The result? A structured, iterative approach that minimizes misdiagnoses, accelerates troubleshooting, and enhances customer satisfaction. Join us in this episode as we unpack these strategies and more.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn this compelling finale of a three-part series, Terinee Pooler explores the transformative potential of AI in Net Promoter Score (NPS) management and customer success strategies. The discussion delves into how AI tools are streamlining customer feedback analysis, automating risk assessment, and enhancing the overall efficiency of customer success teams. From leveraging platforms like Gainsight and Churn Zero to utilizing AI for creating QBR presentations, the episode offers practical insights into the future of customer success management.Detailed AnalysisThe episode provides a comprehensive examination of AI's impact on customer success management, particularly focusing on NPS implementation and analysis. Terinee Pooler, drawing from her extensive experience, highlights several key applications of AI in customer success:Risk Assessment and Early Warning Systems: AI's capability to analyze customer behavior patterns and NPS responses enables early detection of churn risks. The technology can process detractor feedback and predict potential churn risks based on historical patterns and lack of improvement over time.Automated Feedback Analysis: The discussion contrasts traditional manual methods of analyzing customer feedback using extensive Excel sheets with modern AI-powered solutions. AI can now automatically categorize feedback, identify themes, and generate comprehensive reports, significantly reducing the time and effort required for analysis.Integration with Customer Success Platforms: The episode explores how platforms like Gainsight and Churn Zero are incorporating AI functionality to enhance their customer success management capabilities. These tools provide integrated dashboards and automated risk mitigation features.QBR Enhancement: The conversation touches on AI's potential to automate the creation of quarterly business review presentations, allowing customer success managers to focus more on strategic discussions and value-added activities rather than manual presentation preparation.Communication Analysis: Tools like Gong and Talk Desk are highlighted for their ability to analyze customer interactions and provide insights into value drivers and areas for improvement in customer communications.The discussion also includes personal perspectives on AI adoption, with Terinee sharing her experience using tools like ChatGPT for both personal and professional applications. This practical insight provides listeners with a realistic view of AI integration into daily customer success operations.Please Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a texterinee Pooler shares invaluable insights on transforming Net Promoter Score (NPS) feedback into actionable organizational change. The episode delves into practical strategies for ensuring customer feedback drives meaningful improvements across companies.Detailed AnalysisThe conversation explores several critical aspects of NPS implementation and feedback management:Customer Sentiment Integration Pooler emphasizes the importance of combining NPS data with broader customer health metrics using a red-yellow-green system. This comprehensive approach provides organizations with a more nuanced understanding of customer satisfaction and engagement levels.Communication Workflows A standout practice highlighted is the systematic follow-up with every survey respondent, regardless of their score. This proactive approach maintains customer engagement and demonstrates commitment to feedback incorporation.Cross-Organizational Impact The discussion reveals how NPS data can effectively influence various departments, particularly product management. Pooler shares experiences from her healthcare SaaS background, illustrating how structured feedback processes can lead to meaningful organizational changes.Success Metrics and Recognition An important insight emerged about balancing improvement focus with celebration of successes. The conversation emphasizes the significance of acknowledging positive feedback while addressing areas for enhancement.The episode concludes with a preview of an upcoming discussion about AI's role in NPS programs, suggesting exciting developments in feedback collection and analysis.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn this engaging episode of Customer Success Playbook, Terinee Pooler, Atlanta Chapter Lead of Women of Customer Success, shares crucial strategies for developing and operationalizing effective Net Promoter Score (NPS) programs. Drawing from her extensive experience, Pooler emphasizes the importance of proactive customer engagement and provides practical guidance on implementing NPS initiatives that drive meaningful organizational change.Detailed AnalysisThe discussion delves deep into the fundamentals of building and maintaining successful NPS programs, with Pooler offering valuable insights into several key areas:Program Implementation StrategyPooler emphasizes that proactive customer engagement forms the cornerstone of any successful NPS program. She positions the customer success manager as a customer advocate, highlighting how this approach can transform quarterly business reviews (QBRs) and overall customer experience management.Technical FrameworkThe conversation explores the technical aspects of NPS implementation, including:Survey distribution mechanics using platforms like GainsightQuarterly feedback collection processesScore interpretation framework (1-10 scale)Classification of responses (detractors, neutrals, promoters)Measurement and AnalyticsPooler provides a detailed breakdown of NPS scoring:Promoters: Scores 8 and aboveNeutral: Score of 7Detractors: Scores below 7Net score calculation methodology: Promoters minus DetractorsThis systematic approach ensures organizations can effectively track and measure customer satisfaction while identifying areas for improvement.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn this compelling conclusion to our three-part series, Eleni Vorvis delves into the transformative role of artificial intelligence in strengthening the partnership between Customer Success and Product Management teams. Discover how AI is revolutionizing customer feedback analysis, product usage tracking, and strategic decision-making in SaaS organizations.Detailed AnalysisThe discussion illuminates several crucial aspects of AI integration in the CS-Product relationship. Vorvis emphasizes that AI is becoming an indispensable tool for identifying usage patterns and automating customer feedback analysis across multiple channels, including support tickets, NPS surveys, and social media. She highlights how AI-powered solutions are evolving to provide more sophisticated in-app guidance and chatbot interactions, potentially reducing the need for direct CSM intervention in routine matters.A particularly noteworthy insight is the emergence of AI tools specifically designed for data-driven roadmap prioritization. These solutions are beginning to bridge the gap between sales insights, CRM data, and customer feedback, enabling more informed product decisions. However, Vorvis cautions against falling into the trap of tool overwhelm, advocating for a measured approach starting with accessible AI solutions like ChatGPT or Claude.The conversation also touches on the strategic importance of AI literacy in modern CS and Product Management roles. Vorvis predicts that AI expertise will become a standard requirement in job descriptions, positioning it as a competitive advantage for professionals in these fields. This shift reflects a broader trend toward data-driven decision-making and automated intelligence in SaaS operations.The hosts and guest share a compelling perspective on the rapid pace of AI advancement in the industry, noting how new tools and capabilities are emerging at an unprecedented rate. They emphasize the importance of maintaining a learning mindset and starting small with AI adoption, suggesting that even simple applications can deliver significant value.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textThis episode dives deep into the intricate relationship between product adoption monitoring and customer success. Eleni Vorvis, a seasoned customer success professional, shares her expertise on implementing effective monitoring strategies and establishing robust feedback loops with product management teams. The discussion explores both quantitative and qualitative approaches to tracking adoption, emphasizing the importance of cross-functional collaboration and clear communication channels.Detailed AnalysisThe episode presents a comprehensive framework for monitoring product adoption and managing product feedback, highlighting several key strategic elements:Strategic Approach to Adoption MonitoringThe discussion emphasizes the critical importance of a unified approach to monitoring product adoption. Rather than siloing this responsibility, organizations should foster collaboration between teams and establish clear ownership of monitoring processes. This includes leveraging various tools such as in-app analytics, Pendo, and BI tools to gather comprehensive usage data.Data Collection and AnalysisA dual approach to data collection emerges as a best practice:Quantitative metrics: Tracking user login frequency, feature usage, and engagement patternsQualitative feedback: Gathering user experiences, challenges, and success stories through direct communication channelsCommunication Channels and ToolsThe episode outlines various methods for managing product feedback:Dedicated Slack channels for real-time feedback sharingRegular cross-functional huddles with product teamsJIRA integration for structured feedback managementCustomer portals for direct feature requests and votingProduct Development Process UnderstandingA key insight reveals the importance of CS teams understanding the product development lifecycle, including:Sprint duration and planningStory point allocationEpic creation and managementFeature prioritization criteriaEmerging Technology IntegrationThe discussion touches on the evolving role of AI in product adoption monitoring:Custom GPTs for data synthesisAI-powered BI tools for comprehensive customer insightsIn-app guidance systemsAgentic AI for user assistanceBest Practices for Customer CommunicationThe episode emphasizes transparent communication with customers regarding:Feature request processesRoadmap expectationsDevelopment timelinesPrioritization criteriaThis comprehensive approach to product adoption monitoring demonstrates the evolving nature of customer success and its crucial role in product development and customer satisfaction.Please Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn this compelling episode of The Customer Success Playbook, Eleni Vorvis, a fractional CS leader and consultant, shares invaluable insights on fostering effective collaboration between Customer Success and Product Management teams. She emphasizes the crucial importance of building strong relationships and understanding mutual goals before diving into feature requests and roadmap discussions. The conversation reveals practical strategies for breaking down silos and creating alignment between these two critical departments.Detailed AnalysisThe discussion delves deep into the fundamentals of cross-functional collaboration in SaaS organizations. Vorvis presents a methodical approach to building effective partnerships between Customer Success and Product Management teams, highlighting two essential strategies:First, she emphasizes the importance of establishing alignment on basic definitions and metrics. Before jumping into feature requests or roadmap discussions, CS leaders should invest time in understanding how the Product Management team operates, their goals around usage and adoption, and how they measure success. This foundational work ensures both teams speak the same language and work toward common objectives.Second, Vorvis advocates for direct communication about collaboration preferences. She challenges the common assumption that Product teams are too busy to engage with customers directly. Instead, she recommends explicitly asking Product Management about their preferred level of customer interaction, which often reveals they want more direct customer contact than CS teams might assume.The episode illuminates how these strategies can lead to more effective product development and customer satisfaction. It becomes clear that both teams ultimately share the same goal: building software that delivers genuine value and outcomes for customers. The key lies in creating structured approaches to communication and collaboration that serve both departments' needs.The discussion also touches on the importance of timing and context in these interactions, suggesting that while Product Management's direct involvement might not be necessary for all customer interactions (such as bug fixes), their participation is crucial for strategic discussions about product roadmap and version transitions.Please Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn this thought-provoking episode, Mike Sabat, Enterprise Account Executive at Twilio, unveils practical strategies for leveraging AI in customer success and account management. He shares groundbreaking approaches to AI implementation, including using it as a virtual coworker and harnessing tools like Google Gemini for comprehensive account research. The discussion reveals how AI can dramatically reduce research time while improving the quality and depth of account planning.Detailed AnalysisThe episode delves deep into the practical application of AI in customer success, highlighting several transformative approaches:The conversation begins with Mike's innovative perspective on overcoming "AI writer's block" by treating AI as a collaborative coworker rather than just a search tool. This approach helps professionals move past the initial hesitation of not knowing how to integrate AI into their workflow.A significant portion focuses on Mike's revolutionary approach to account planning using AI. He introduces the concept of "meta prompting" - using AI to create comprehensive prompts for deeper research. This method, particularly when combined with Google Gemini's advanced research capabilities, transforms what was previously a days-long research process into a matter of minutes.The discussion highlights the importance of responsible AI usage, with Mike emphasizing the need to be cautious with proprietary information. He provides practical guidelines for maintaining confidentiality while maximizing AI's research capabilities.The episode concludes with insights into how AI can serve as a preparation tool for client meetings, allowing professionals to practice handling potential objections and scenarios before actual client interactions.The transformative impact on time management is particularly noteworthy, with tasks that previously took days now being completed in minutes, allowing for deeper, more comprehensive account research and planning.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textSummaryIn this thought-provoking discussion, Mike Sabat from Twilio shares his perspective on the potential convergence of Customer Success Management (CSM) and Account Executive (AE) roles in enterprise technology. The conversation delves into how consumption-based pricing models and increasing product complexity are driving this transformation, with particular emphasis on revenue responsibility and customer relationship management in the modern tech landscape.Detailed AnalysisThe episode explores the shifting dynamics of customer-facing roles in enterprise technology, highlighting several key trends and implications:Consumption-Based EvolutionThe discussion begins with an examination of how enterprise software is moving from seat-based to consumption-based pricing models, similar to those employed by major players like AWS, Google Cloud, and OpenAI. This fundamental shift is reshaping how companies structure their customer-facing teams and responsibilities.Role Convergence DriversSabat presents compelling arguments for the merger of CSM and AE roles, particularly in growth-oriented companies. The traditional model of AEs making promises and CSMs cleaning up afterward is becoming obsolete, replaced by a more integrated approach where responsibility for both sales and delivery rests with the same individual.Revenue ResponsibilityA crucial point emerged regarding revenue responsibility in customer success roles. The panel agrees that CSM teams must evolve beyond being cost centers to become revenue generators, either through direct sales responsibility or through packaged services offerings.Specialized ModelsThe discussion acknowledges that while convergence is likely in some areas, specialization will continue to exist. The "hunter" role focused on new logo acquisition will remain distinct, while the "farmer" role may see the most convergence between AE and CSM functions.Future ImplicationsThe conversation concludes with insights into how this evolution might affect organizational structure, skill requirements, and customer relationship management in the coming years, particularly in enterprises with complex, consumption-based products.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn this compelling episode of the Customer Success Playbook podcast, Mike Sabat, Enterprise Account Executive at Twilio, shares his expertise on effectively incorporating upsells into account reviews. He discusses how the increasing complexity of modern products creates opportunities for account managers to deliver additional value through strategic guidance and optimization recommendations. Mike emphasizes the importance of being a trusted advisor, particularly in consumption-based pricing models, and shares practical examples of how understanding customer usage patterns can lead to cost savings and improved outcomes.Detailed AnalysisThe discussion delves into the evolving landscape of customer success and sales, particularly in complex, consumption-based product environments. Mike Sabat provides valuable insights into how account reviews can serve as natural opportunities for meaningful upsell conversations that benefit both the customer and the vendor.Several key themes emerge from the conversation:Product Complexity as an Opportunity The increasing complexity of modern software solutions, particularly those involving data and multiple use cases, creates a natural need for guided optimization. This complexity provides account managers with opportunities to demonstrate value through expert guidance and strategic recommendations.Consumption-Based Model Dynamics Mike highlights the unique characteristics of consumption-based pricing models, using Twilio's messaging services as an example. In these models, understanding usage patterns and optimization opportunities becomes crucial for both cost management and value maximization.Data-Driven Advisory Approach The episode emphasizes the importance of leveraging usage data and industry insights to provide valuable recommendations. Mike shares how analyzing trends in customer usage patterns can uncover opportunities for optimization and cost savings.Cross-Industry Learning A significant portion of the value comes from sharing relevant experiences across similar customers while maintaining confidentiality. This knowledge transfer helps customers benefit from proven solutions and avoid common pitfalls.Human Element in Customer Success The discussion underscores the continued importance of human interaction in enterprise customer success, even as AI advances. The ability to understand unique customer environments and adapt solutions accordingly remains a crucial human skill.The conversation provides practical examples, including how understanding regulatory changes in messaging services led to cost savings for a healthcare client through number type optimization. This demonstrates how technical knowledge combined with customer understanding can create tangible value.For customer success professionals, the episode offers valuable insights into:Structuring account reviews to naturally incorporate upsell opportunitiesBuilding trusted advisor relationships through expertise and industry knowledgeBalancing customer success with business growth objectivesAdapting strategies for consumption-based pricing modelsPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn this illuminating discussion, Michael Bernstein from the Atlanta Journal Constitution reveals practical applications of AI in strategic partnership development. Drawing from his experience at AJC, Bernstein explores how artificial intelligence enhances market analysis, streamlines partnership communications, and drives innovative engagement strategies. The conversation provides actionable insights into leveraging AI for partnership growth while maintaining a human-centric approach to relationship building.Detailed AnalysisThe discussion delves deep into the practical implementation of AI across various partnership development stages. Bernstein outlines several key applications, starting with market analysis and data analytics for identifying potential partnerships and understanding market shifts. He emphasizes AI's role in strategic planning, particularly in modeling expansion strategies and evaluating program feasibility.A compelling example shared involves AJC's partnership with Mercer University, where AI helped craft targeted marketing strategies to boost student engagement. The initiative resulted in innovative approaches, including an iPad giveaway campaign and strategic placement of ads in student newspapers, demonstrating AI's ability to enhance traditional partnership programs.The conversation also explores AI's utility in streamlining day-to-day operations, from automating communication processes to analyzing partnership performance metrics. Bernstein's practical approach focuses on using AI to "make life easier" rather than replacing human judgment, particularly in areas like presentation development and partnership model creation.One notable insight reveals how AI assisted in identifying new partnership channels, such as the HR channel for corporate-wide subscription programs. This led to a successful engagement with the Society of HR Management's Atlanta chapter, accessing over 8,000 HR executives.The discussion concludes with practical examples of AI-driven research for identifying potential partners, including real estate firms for subscription bundling programs, showcasing how AI can open new avenues for partnership growth and customer engagement.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn this compelling episode, Michael Bernstein of the Atlanta Journal Constitution shares his expertise on leveraging strategic partnerships to drive customer success. He reveals how implementing a B2B partnership channel led to remarkable growth, accounting for 25% of AJC's subscription acquisitions within just six months. Through practical examples like the Dancing Goats coffee shop collaboration, Bernstein demonstrates how partnerships can unlock access to previously untapped customer segments.Detailed AnalysisBernstein's approach to partnership development encompasses three crucial elements: economic modeling, operational infrastructure, and marketing strategy. His insights highlight the importance of thorough preparation before launching partnership initiatives.Key takeaways include:The necessity of executive buy-in and resource allocation for successful partnership programsCritical importance of operational capabilities specific to B2B partnershipsThe value of pilot programs in testing and refining partnership modelsThe role of seamless customer experience in maintaining successful partnershipsThe significance of cross-departmental alignment in partnership executionThe discussion emphasizes how partnerships can extend beyond traditional direct-to-consumer channels, particularly in the digital space. Bernstein's experience with the hospitality sector exemplifies how strategic partnerships can create win-win situations, benefiting both the media organization and its partners while enhancing customer value.The success metrics shared demonstrate the tangible impact of well-executed partnership strategies on business growth. Bernstein's implementation of digital access programs and app-centric promotions shows how traditional media companies can innovate through strategic partnerships.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn this compelling episode, Michael Bernstein, Senior Partner and Business Development Lead at Atlanta Journal Constitution, shares his expertise on creating successful strategic partnerships. He introduces the innovative concept of "win-win-win" scenarios, emphasizing how partnerships must benefit all three key stakeholders: the organization, partners, and end consumers. Through practical examples from AJC's digital subscription programs, Bernstein demonstrates how to structure partnerships that drive meaningful value across the entire ecosystem.Detailed AnalysisBernstein's approach to partnership development reveals sophisticated strategies for modern business relationships. His emphasis on thorough research and active listening sets the foundation for successful partnerships, demonstrating how preliminary understanding of partner priorities can shape more effective collaboration.The discussion showcases practical applications through AJC's innovative membership programs, where digital subscriptions are leveraged as value-adds for partner organizations. This strategy exemplifies how traditional media organizations can adapt to create mutually beneficial relationships in the digital age.Key insights include:The importance of preliminary research using both AI and existing relationship networksHow to structure tiered value propositions that incentivize increased engagementTechniques for frictionless customer onboarding in partnership programsMethods for balancing multiple stakeholder interests in partnership agreementsThe critical role of clear communication and documentation in partnership successThe conversation provides valuable lessons for business development professionals looking to create sustainable partnership programs that drive value across all stakeholders. Bernstein's emphasis on customization and clear objective setting offers a practical framework for partnership development in today's complex business environment.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textThe conversation delves into how AI is reshaping customer success operations, from analyzing customer profiles to enabling personalized micro-learning experiences. Keith Hanks shares valuable insights on leveraging AI for content repurposing, pattern recognition, and operational efficiency, emphasizing how individual CSMs can take initiative with AI tools to enhance their customer engagement strategies.Detailed AnalysisAI-Driven Customer Profile AnalysisThe discussion highlights three primary areas where AI is making significant impacts in customer success:Pattern Recognition and Analysis: AI's capability to identify traits, outliers, and patterns within customer profiles, bridging the gap between ideal and actual customer profiles.Content Adaptation: The technology's potential to transform new business content into customer success-focused materials, creating efficient infrastructure templates for existing customer engagement.Automated Trigger Systems: Integration with platforms like Gainsight and ChurnZero to establish data-driven, prescriptive plays based on customer behavior patterns.Democratizing Innovation in Customer SuccessA significant focus is placed on individual empowerment, with Keith emphasizing that CSMs don't need to wait for organizational initiatives to leverage AI. The discussion outlines practical ways CSMs can use AI tools to:Repurpose content for different audience segmentsCreate personalized micro-learning experiencesDevelop customer onboarding pathsGenerate customer-specific training materialsFuture ImplicationsThe conversation addresses the evolving landscape of customer success, referencing recent Bain Company research highlighting the growing need for technical expertise in customer success roles. The speakers predict a significant transformation in the CSM role over the next 2-3 years, driven by AI-enabled efficiencies and the resulting ability to focus on deeper technical engagement.Implementation ConsiderationsThe episode provides practical guidance on tool selection, emphasizing the need to balance between:Free/low-cost AI tools for individual initiativesEnterprise-grade solutions for handling proprietary dataSecurity considerations when processing customer informationPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn this thought-provoking episode of the Customer Success Playbook podcast, Keith Hanks challenges conventional wisdom about customer profiles. He emphasizes the importance of understanding and adapting to actual customer profiles rather than rigidly adhering to ideal customer profiles (ICP). Keith shares valuable insights on establishing effective sales feedback loops, leveraging experienced sales representatives' knowledge, and creating realistic, replicable customer success stories.Detailed AnalysisThe episode delves into several critical aspects of customer success management and sales alignment:Sales Feedback IntegrationKeith emphasizes the significance of involving sales teams in the post-sale process, particularly during onboarding and quarterly business reviews. This approach serves two purposes:It ensures accountability for promises made during the sales processCreates a valuable feedback loop for refining future sales approachesHistorical Knowledge UtilizationThe discussion highlights the often-overlooked value of experienced sales representatives as organizational historians. Their deep understanding of successful customer relationships can be leveraged to:Improve customer success strategiesGuide newer sales team membersEnhance the overall customer experienceCustomer Profile Reality CheckA crucial insight emerges regarding the verification of marketing materials and case studies. Keith advocates for:Thorough analysis of long-term product usersUnderstanding struggling customer scenariosValidating marketing claims against actual customer experiencesImplementation StrategyThe episode outlines a three-step approach to improving customer profile alignment:Data analysis across cross-functional teamsInvestigation of user behavior patternsVerification of marketing materials against real customer experiencesPractical ApplicationsThe discussion provides actionable strategies for:Conducting effective onboarding handoff callsEstablishing regular cross-functional communicationCreating realistic, achievable customer success storiesNow you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textSummaryKeith Hanks introduces a groundbreaking perspective on customer profiling by distinguishing between the Ideal Customer Profile (ICP) and what he terms the Actual Customer Profile (ACP). Drawing from his extensive experience in client success and program management, Hanks emphasizes the critical shift that occurs post-contract signing, highlighting how organizations must adapt their approach to serve and understand their existing customer base effectively.Detailed AnalysisThe Evolution of Customer ProfilesThe discussion reveals a fundamental transformation in how businesses should approach customer relationships in the modern era. Hanks introduces the concept of "love your customers, tolerate your prospects," emphasizing the distinct difference between pre-sale targeting and post-sale reality. This perspective challenges traditional customer profiling methods by acknowledging the gap between theoretical ideal customers and actual client relationships.Impact of Modern Work DynamicsA crucial insight emerges regarding the changing nature of customer relationships in the post-COVID landscape:Decreased tenure of client contacts due to remote work flexibilityReduced impact of non-compete clausesAccelerated need for re-onboarding and re-engagement strategiesGrowing importance of adaptable customer success strategiesCross-Functional ImplicationsThe analysis highlights the necessity for enhanced cross-functional collaboration:Integration between sales, marketing, and product teamsNeed for ongoing comparison between target profiles and actual customer behaviorImportance of adaptive learning and engagement strategiesFocus on developing next-generation power usersStrategic RecommendationsRegular assessment of actual customer profiles against ideal customer profilesDevelopment of micro-learning opportunities for evolving customer needsImplementation of power user identification and development programsCreation of adaptive engagement strategies for varying customer tenuresIntegration of AI tools for streamlined customer understandingBusiness Impact ConsiderationsShorter CRO tenures (averaging 17 months) affecting strategic continuityNeed for robust customer success metrics aligned with actual usage patternsImportance of identifying and nurturing power usersFocus on sustainable customer relationships over initial targetingNow you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn this forward-looking episode, Kevin Metzger delves deep into the transformative potential of AI agents in service delivery. The discussion unveils how AI agents are revolutionizing business processes by breaking down complex tasks into manageable components. Kevin explains the architecture of AI agents, their practical applications in service delivery, and the significant developments in AI technology, including ChatGPT's O3 model and its implications for artificial general intelligence.Detailed AnalysisThe episode explores several crucial aspects of AI implementation in service delivery:Understanding AI AgentsKevin provides a comprehensive breakdown of AI agents, describing them as specialized LLMs (Large Language Models) equipped with specific objectives and tool-integration capabilities. These agents can interface with various platforms through APIs, enabling them to perform targeted tasks within a larger process framework.Practical Applications in Service DeliveryThe discussion outlines a practical workflow where AI agents can transform meeting management:Automated note-taking during meetingsExtraction and assignment of action itemsIntegration with task management toolsAutomated notification systemsProgress monitoring and trackingTechnical InfrastructureKevin highlights key technological developments:Salesforce's AgentForce platform for AI integrationCrew AI platform for agent implementationThe importance of API connectivityMulti-agent systems for complex task managementAddressing AI LimitationsThe episode tackles critical considerations in AI implementation:Managing LLM hallucinationsImplementation of verification systemsThe role of multiple agents in ensuring accuracyThe importance of process definition before AI implementationFuture OutlookThe discussion emphasizes the evolving nature of AI technology and its increasing accessibility through improved APIs and integration capabilities. The conversation suggests that 2025 will be a pivotal year for AI adoption in customer success and service delivery.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn this compelling episode of the Customer Success Playbook Podcast, Kevin Metzger presents a transformative perspective on service delivery, framing it as a product rather than just a process. This paradigm shift enables organizations to apply proven customer success methodologies to their service delivery framework, ensuring consistency, scalability, and enhanced value delivery.Detailed AnalysisKevin Metzger delves deep into the concept of treating service delivery as a product, emphasizing that for service-based companies, the delivery mechanism itself is the product being sold to customers. This innovative approach allows organizations to leverage established customer success concepts such as customer journey mapping, ideal customer profiles, and product fit within their service delivery framework.The discussion highlights several critical components of successful service delivery:Standardized Operating Procedures: Establishing consistent frameworks for customer interactions, reporting structures, and billing processes creates a repeatable and scalable service delivery model.Onboarding Excellence: Drawing from insights shared by industry experts Donna Weber and Melissa Caldwell, the episode emphasizes the importance of structured onboarding as a crucial service delivery function.Custom Delivery Within Framework: While deliverables may be customized for individual clients, they should operate within a defined methodology that ensures consistent quality and outcomes.Communication Patterns: The importance of establishing clear communication protocols and ensuring all stakeholders understand their roles and responsibilities in the service delivery process.The episode concludes with a preview of an upcoming discussion about the role of AI and agents in enhancing service delivery, suggesting exciting developments in the field.This strategic approach to service delivery provides organizations with a scalable, measurable, and refined methodology that can be continuously improved to deliver increasing value to clients.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn this compelling episode of the Customer Success Playbook Podcast, co-host Kevin Metzger shares his foundational principle for driving team success: the power of clear communication. Drawing from his extensive experience in requirements gathering and project management, Kevin unveils practical strategies for avoiding communication pitfalls and fostering genuine understanding within teams.Detailed AnalysisKevin's insights delve deep into the complexities of workplace communication, offering a multi-layered approach to enhancing team effectiveness. His experience writing requirements for a major delivery company serves as a practical case study in the challenges and solutions of cross-functional communication.Key takeaways include:The importance of iterative communication processes and documentationStrategies for managing disagreements proactively through pre-meeting alignmentsTechniques for identifying and addressing miscommunications in real-timeThe value of creating psychological safety through personal development sharingMethods for aligning team mindset toward shared success goalsThe discussion highlights how seemingly simple agreements can mask fundamental misunderstandings, emphasizing the need for active listening and careful facilitation. Kevin's approach to team meetings, incorporating personal development elements, demonstrates how creating a shared success mindset can enhance communication effectiveness.This episode provides valuable insights for customer success leaders looking to improve team dynamics and project outcomes through better communication practices.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn this compelling conclusion to our three-part series, Roman Trebon explores the transformative potential of AI tools, particularly ChatGPT, in enhancing customer success team planning and meeting effectiveness. The discussion delves into practical applications of AI for the "Keep, Kill, Start" exercise and meeting optimization, offering tangible strategies for CS leaders preparing their teams for 2025.Detailed AnalysisThe episode provides a deep dive into the practical implementation of AI tools within customer success operations. Roman shares his expertise on using ChatGPT as an AI customer success assistant, highlighting innovative approaches to strategic planning and team optimization. A key insight emerges around the iterative nature of AI interaction – using the tool to refine ideas through targeted questioning and continuous feedback.The discussion covers several critical areas:Strategic Planning Enhancement: Roman demonstrates how AI can be used to expand initial concepts into fully-formed strategies, particularly valuable for restructuring service offerings and team initiatives.Meeting Optimization: The conversation explores how AI can transform meeting documentation through automated transcription and intelligent summarization, with emphasis on customizing output to match personal communication styles.Voice and Personalization: The episode reveals advanced techniques for training AI to adapt to individual communication styles, including cross-platform strategies using both ChatGPT and Claude.Implementation Framework: Practical guidance is provided on using AI for developing 30-60 day action plans, ensuring strategic initiatives move from conception to execution efficiently.The discussion emphasizes that AI serves as an enhancement tool rather than a replacement, helping leaders articulate and refine their existing expertise rather than generating entirely new concepts.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn this dynamic episode of the Customer Success Playbook, Roman Trebon shares essential strategies for maximizing meeting effectiveness in 2025. He addresses the common challenge of calendar congestion and provides actionable frameworks for ensuring meetings deliver real value. From implementing clear agendas to managing attendee lists strategically, Roman offers practical solutions to transform meeting culture and boost productivity.Detailed AnalysisThis episode delves deep into the transformation of meeting efficiency, a critical challenge facing business teams in 2025. Roman Trebon presents a comprehensive approach to meeting management that combines strategic planning with practical execution.The discussion centers around several key principles:Agenda-First Approach: Roman emphasizes the fundamental importance of having clear agendas before any meeting takes place. Without a defined purpose and structure, meetings risk becoming unfocused and unproductive.Objective-Driven Framework: A noteworthy practice shared is the use of a simple yet powerful question: "How will I know when the objective of this meeting has been met?" This creates clarity and purpose for all participants.Selective Attendance: The episode challenges the common practice of over-inviting participants to meetings. Roman advocates for a more targeted approach, ensuring only essential contributors are present.Time Management Protocol: The discussion addresses the importance of staying on topic and managing meeting time effectively, including the need to park tangential discussions for separate conversations.Standardized Meeting Frameworks: Roman proposes implementing consistent meeting structures across organizations to create predictability and efficiency.The episode concludes with practical implementation strategies, including applying the "keep, kill, or start" framework to existing meeting schedules. This systematic approach helps teams eliminate unnecessary meetings while prioritizing those that deliver genuine value.For business leaders and team managers, this episode provides actionable insights to transform meeting culture and reclaim productive time. The strategies presented are particularly relevant in today's hybrid work environment, where effective meeting management is crucial for maintaining team productivity and engagement.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn this inaugural episode of Season 3, co-host Roman Trebon introduces the powerful Keep, Kill, Start framework for driving continuous improvement in both personal and professional contexts. This strategic approach helps teams and individuals identify what's working, what needs to be eliminated, and what new initiatives should be implemented for optimal success in 2025.Detailed AnalysisThe episode delves into the practical application of the Keep, Kill, Start framework across multiple organizational levels. Roman Trebon presents this methodology as a versatile tool that can drive meaningful change in both virtual and in-person team environments. The discussion highlights several critical business insights:Organizational Adaptation: The framework provides a structured approach to organizational change management, allowing teams to systematically evaluate and evolve their processes.Virtual Team Dynamics: The episode addresses the unique challenges of maintaining team cohesion in remote work environments, emphasizing the importance of intentional relationship-building beyond task-focused interactions.Implementation Strategy: Trebon emphasizes the critical nature of follow-through, recommending quarterly check-ins to ensure accountability and maintain momentum on identified changes.Cultural Integration: The discussion demonstrates how personal and professional development can be integrated through a single framework, promoting holistic growth and sustainable change.Resource Optimization: By explicitly identifying elements to eliminate ("kill"), the framework helps organizations address the common pitfall of continually adding new initiatives without removing outdated ones.Business ApplicationsThe Keep, Kill, Start framework presents several practical applications for business leaders:Strategic Planning: Use the framework to evaluate and refine organizational processesTeam Development: Apply the methodology in both individual and group settingsChange Management: Implement structured approaches to organizational evolutionResource Allocation: Make informed decisions about where to invest time and resourcesPerformance Optimization: Regularly assess and adjust operational effectivenessNow you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textExecutive SummaryIn this reflective year-end episode, hosts Roman Trebon and Kevin Metzger look back on their successful second year of the CS Playbook Podcast while unveiling exciting changes for 2025. The discussion highlights their growth journey, reaching broader audiences, and their strategic pivot towards examining customer success through a comprehensive business lens.Detailed AnalysisThe episode reveals key strategic developments and business insights:Growth and EvolutionThe podcast has experienced consistent audience growth across platforms including LinkedIn and YouTubeSuccessfully conducted approximately 30 guest interviews throughout 2024Demonstrated market validation through increasing engagement and listener statisticsStrategic Direction for 2025The hosts announced significant format changes focused on:Exploring customer success as a business-wide mindset rather than just a departmental functionExamining interconnections between customer success and other business units (Finance, Procurement, Sales)Introducing shorter, more focused segments to enhance content accessibilityExpanding scope to include broader business perspectives while maintaining customer success focusBusiness ImpactThe podcast's evolution reflects broader industry trends in customer success:Recognition of customer success as an organization-wide responsibilityGrowing importance of cross-functional collaboration in delivering customer valueShift towards more integrated, business-centric approaches to customer successEmphasis on practical, actionable insights for business professionalsPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn this illuminating episode of the Customer Success Playbook Podcast, Kevin McCahill, founder of MasteryCX, joins hosts Roman Trebon and Kevin Metzger to explore the fundamental role of emotional intelligence (EQ) in customer success. With over 20 years of experience in customer success and leadership, McCahill shares deep insights into how EQ shapes customer relationships, drives business outcomes, and becomes increasingly valuable in an AI-driven future.Key Insights and AnalysisThe Foundation of Emotional Intelligence in CSMcCahill defines emotional intelligence as understanding and managing both your own emotions and those of others, emphasizing its critical role in customer interactions. He explains that while often labeled as a "soft skill," EQ is one of the most impactful competencies in customer success, directly influencing customer retention, satisfaction, and business outcomes.Measuring EQ ImpactThe discussion reveals concrete ways to measure EQ's business impact through:Customer retention ratesNPS scoresTime to Value (TTV)Team performance metricsCross-functional collaboration effectivenessMcCahill shares a compelling case study where implementing EQ-focused strategies transformed negative NPS scores to an average of 40, demonstrating the quantifiable impact of emotional intelligence initiatives.Implementation StrategiesThe podcast outlines practical approaches for developing EQ within teams:Regular training sessions incorporating role-playing exercisesCreating safe environments for sharing experiences and learningsLeading by example across all organizational levelsIntegrating EQ principles into cross-functional communicationsBuilding self-awareness through structured feedbackThe AI EvolutionA significant portion of the discussion focuses on EQ's evolving role alongside AI advancement. McCahill argues that human emotional intelligence becomes more valuable as automation increases, suggesting that:EQ will be a key differentiator for career advancementHuman-AI collaboration will require enhanced emotional intelligencePersonalization will blend AI capabilities with human empathyCompanies must balance automation with authentic human connectionBusiness ImplicationsThe episode underscores that organizations investing in EQ development can expect:Improved customer retention and satisfactionEnhanced team performance and collaborationBetter cross-functional relationshipsIncreased competitive advantage in an AI-driven landscapeHigher employee career progression and satisfactionPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn this episode of the Customer Success Playbook podcast, host Kevin Metzger interviews Dan Jourdan, VP of Business Development at Outsource Access and renowned sales energizer. The conversation explores the profound connection between sales and customer success, emphasizing how authentic relationships and human connections drive business growth. Dan shares his philosophy that sales is "the most noble profession" and discusses how genuine relationship-building transforms transactional interactions into lasting partnerships.Key Themes and Business Insights1. The Noble Nature of SalesSales as a path to financial independence through serving multiple customers rather than a single employerThe importance of focusing on customer outcomes rather than just immediate needsBuilding authentic relationships as the foundation of successful sales2. Customer-Centric ApproachUnderstanding and aligning with customer goals as the primary focusKeeping customer outcomes "front and center" throughout the sales processThe significance of following through rather than just following up3. Cross-Functional CollaborationThe vital importance of sales and customer success teams working togetherRegular communication between teams to ensure customer satisfactionUsing shared knowledge to drive better customer outcomes4. Personal Development and Professional SuccessThe connection between personal accountability and professional achievementThe importance of setting and tracking goalsBuilding and maintaining professional networks as a career asset5. AI and Human Connection in Modern SalesLeveraging AI for efficiency while maintaining human relationshipsUsing technology for research and initial contact while preserving personal touchThe continuing importance of human creativity and relationship-buildingPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn this engaging episode of the Customer Success Playbook, Joydeep Sen Sarma, CEO of Clearfeed, dives into how B2B customer support is evolving towards chat-based platforms like Slack and Microsoft Teams. He talks about how today's support teams are adapting to meet customers right where they work, offering practical tips on how to implement and scale these new solutions while keeping service quality high.Here's a deeper look at some of the key takeaways:Shifting Support ParadigmsMoving from transactional support to building true partnershipsEmbracing the generational shift towards chat-based communicationTransforming support from just a cost to a real growth driverChallenges and SolutionsIntegrating new tools with existing ticketing systemsKeeping response times consistent across all channelsFinding the right mix of automation and human touchUsing AI to make responses faster and more accurateBusiness ImpactMaking support more accessible and engaging for customersCutting down response times, with some teams now offering 15-minute guaranteesDifferentiating from competitors through a standout support experienceOpening doors for deeper partnership opportunitiesLooking AheadAI-powered support that helps teams respond fasterBlending structured and unstructured data for richer insightsThe evolution of knowledge management and automatic documentationJoydeep brings a fresh perspective on how B2B support is changing and what companies need to do to stay ahead. It's a conversation packed with insights for anyone looking to modernize their customer support strategy.Please Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn this reflective episode, hosts Roman Trebon and Kevin Metzger share insights from their podcast's successful year, highlighting the growth of their audience to over 5,000 monthly downloads and the expanding influence of their platform in the customer success community. They discuss the evolving nature of customer success, emphasizing its transformation from a departmental function to a company-wide imperative, and reveal their plans to broaden their guest roster beyond traditional CS roles in 2025.Detailed AnalysisGrowth and Community ImpactAchieved milestone of 5,000 downloads in October 2023Received unsolicited mentions on Reddit and LinkedInFeatured numerous Customer Success 100 honorees as guestsBuilt strong connections within the Atlanta customer success communityDemonstrated organic growth through community engagement and word-of-mouth recommendationsIndustry Insights and TrendsRevenue-Driven CS Departments Evolution of CS departments toward revenue-based KPIsShift from cost centers to revenue generatorsIntegration of success metrics with business outcomesCross-Functional Success Recognition of customer success as an organization-wide responsibilityImportance of aligning all departments (Finance, Marketing, Product) with customer success goalsImpact of operational efficiency on customer satisfactionCommunity Development Growth of local CS communities through various engagement formatsImportance of networking and knowledge sharingValue of maintaining professional connections beyond podcast appearancesFuture DirectionPlans to expand guest roster beyond traditional CS roles in 2025Focus on cross-departmental perspectives on customer successCommitment to showcasing diverse viewpoints and experiencesPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.