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Send us a textStart the New Year strong and grow a healthy, thriving youth ministry...if you'd like to work with us, check out GrowYourYouthMinistry.com *** The unfortunate truth is that "church hurt" is a real thing and it's only a matter of time until you have a student in your youth ministry or a parent of a student who is dealing with it.  So how, as a youth pastor, should you react and handle those dealing with church hurt?  In this episode, we open up about how church hurt happens, what it looks like across a wide spectrum, and how youth pastors and student ministry leaders can respond with empathy, patience, and integrity that rebuilds trust and relationships.If you're a youth pastor, youth leader, or youth ministry volunteer looking for a steady path through delicate seasons, this conversation offers tools to listen well, move slowly, and lead with the kind of consistency that heals. 

Episode Overview- Elise was pregnant at 16 and shunned by her church.- Hurt came from people, not Jesus—context matters.- Women in ministry need support and reassurance.- Stay obedient to Christ's call despite criticism.- Holy Spirit brings healing, forgiveness, and freedom.- Encourage everyone to use their gifts without judgment.Show notes and resources

We want to hear from you! Submit your Thanksgiving Prayer or a short note of thanks! Your submissions could be featured on Your Daily Prayer as we lead up to Thanksgiving Day. Thank you again for your continued support—we can’t wait to hear from you! https://tinyurl.com/322k4xau God never intended for us to do life alone. As our daily prayer and reflection remind us, from the beginning of creation, He designed us for community — with Him and with one another. Yet, for many believers, being part of a church family isn’t always easy. Differences in opinion, leadership conflicts, or even personal wounds can cause deep pain within the very place meant to nurture our faith. In this compassionate reflection, Laura Bailey reminds us that while church hurt is real and painful, Christian community is still God’s plan for His people. Just as Adam was not meant to be alone, neither are we. Throughout Scripture, we see how God uses relationships — even messy ones — to shape us, refine us, and reveal His grace. From the early church in Acts to the disciples who followed Jesus, believers have always grown stronger in community. Though it can be hard to stay when relationships feel strained, the call of Christ is not to walk away but to lean in — to forgive, to reconcile, and to remain united under His love. Today's Bible Reading:“The Lord God said, ‘It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.’” – Genesis 2:18, NIV

todays episode is a little different and special, i have my handsome kind guest, alan, slaying the kitchen for me!! while he makes me spam fried rice, he talks about his life long journey of mental health, being hurt by the church, how he met his lovely husband, and going viral on tiktok for being himself!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Where have we experienced hurt in the church, whether from our sexuality or otherwise? How do we continue in spiritual communities after experiencing church hurt? Join Tom, Ryan, and Matt for a raw discussion on our community's church hurt stories. We'll dive into the other side of hurt in a follow-up episode, but for now, we want to honor the pain, the loneliness, the frustration, the rejection, the abuse, the trauma, and the injustice of experiencing hurt in a place and with a people where we should have experienced life. If one of us hurts, may we all hurt together. COMMENT ON THIS EPISODE Where have you experienced hurt in the church? PODCAST EPISODE PAGE YOBcast 110: Church Hurt LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE Kalan's rap remix of "Wood" by Taylor Swift The Carpenter's Son trailer with Nicolas Cage Owen Cooper Finally Meets Jake Gyllenhaal! "Church Hurt" by Hannah Kerr RATE/REVIEW US Apple Podcasts FOLLOW THE CAST Tom's posts Ryan's posts Matt's posts GET IN TOUCH Call the YOFline: 1.706.389.8009 Email Tom: tom@yourotherfamily.org Mail us: Your Other Family / P.O. Box 843 / Asheville, NC 28802 SUPPORT YOF General giving (for non-members) Giving toward membership in YOB Giving toward membership in YOS FOLLOW YOF YOF: YouTube | Facebook | Instagram YOB: Facebook | Instagram | TikTok YOS: Facebook | Instagram MUSIC CREDIT Intro/outro theme: “Borderland” by John Mark McMillan Benediction theme: "Feel it All" by sød ven 100% clearance through Musicbed you are not alone; even the sparrow finds a home

If you've ever been hurt by broken people in the Church - this episode is for you.Jennie opens a raw and honest conversation about church hurt and what it means to still believe in the beauty of God's design for the body of Christ. From her own story of planting a church to worshiping in mud-floored sanctuaries across the world, Jennie reminds us that while the church is messy and imperfect, it's still God's plan for our healing, growth, and belonging.Resources & Links:Listen to more episodes: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | YouTubeLearn More About JennieFollow Jennie on social:InstagramFacebookJennie's new book is available for pre-order NOW! Grab a copy HERE!

Witness the dramatic and untold story of Malchus, the temple servant, as he encounters Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane and experiences an unexpected miracle. Explore Malchus' journey from skepticism to faith, as he grapples with the power of Jesus' compassion and the profound impact it has on his life amidst the chaos of betrayal and violence. Today's Bible verse is Mattew 26:52 from the King James Version.Download the Pray.com app for more Christian content including, Daily Prayers, Inspirational Testimonies, and Bedtime Bible Stories.Pray.com is the digital destination for faith. With over 5,000 daily prayers, meditations, bedtime stories, and cinematic stories inspired by the Bible, the Pray.com app has everything you need to keep your focus on the Lord. Make Prayer a priority and download the #1 App for Prayer and Sleep today in the Apple app store or Google Play store.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This episode centers on the theme of spiritual gifts and purpose within the Christian faith. Jim Davis emphasizes that every individual is uniquely designed by God and equipped with spiritual gifts to serve others, not to earn more love but as an expression of love for God. Drawing from scriptures such as Ephesians 2:10, Psalm 139, and 1 Corinthians 12, he encourages listeners to discover and use their gifts for the benefit of the church community, sharing personal stories and practical advice for healing from church hurt and finding joy through service. The episode concludes with an invitation to take a spiritual gifts assessment and a reminder that true fulfillment comes from serving with the gifts God has given.

October 26th Sermon

S4 E7: Fake Pastors and Church HurtIn this thought-provoking episode of Friends Unfiltered, we dive into one of the most sensitive but necessary conversations within modern Christianity — Fake Pastors and Church Hurt.Our guest, @istanboss, opens up about real experiences navigating church hurt and the painful realization that not everyone behind the pulpit has pure intentions. Together, we explore why people fall for spiritual manipulation, share real-life scenarios, and discuss how Christians can grow in discernment to spot scammers disguised as prophets or preachers.This episode isn't about criticism — it's about healing, accountability, and wisdom in faith. Whether you've experienced church hurt or just want to understand the conversation better, this one's for you.✨ Join the conversation, follow, and help us grow

Healing from church hurt is a journey worth embarking on. In the realm of spiritual communities, few topics are as sensitive or impactful as church hurt. This phenomenon affects individuals across various denominations and can profoundly influence one's faith journey. Understanding and healing from church hurt is essential for maintaining and rebuilding a healthy relationship with Jesus. Understanding Church Hurt Church hurt stems from negative experiences within religious settings, such as emotional turmoil, spiritual abuse, or feeling ostracized. It does not discriminate among denominations; it can happen anywhere and to anyone. Recognizing this is crucial to navigating the complicated emotions involved and finding ways to heal. Navigating the Path to Healing Healing from church hurt often involves acknowledging the pain and finding supportive environments to express it. Talking with trusted individuals who understand or have experienced similar struggles can be invaluable. Recovery is not about finding an immediate solution but about gradually rebuilding trust and faith. Utilizing Resources for Support Tools and resources can offer guidance in recognizing and addressing hurt resulting from others in the church community. Such resources help individuals identify red flags and articulate their feelings. Seeking external perspectives can shed light on situations and clarify if certain behaviors are problematic or dismissive in religious contexts. Embracing Hope and Finding New Community While healing from the hurt of individuals within church organizations, it is vital not to generalize all religious communities based on one experience. Positive, nurturing faith communities do exist, and taking the time to find them can offer renewed faith and fellowship. Remember, it's about finding a place that reinforces spiritual well-being and growth.   Read the full show notes and access all links.  Website for Mary DeMuth Additional resources you will find helpful: Mary DeMuth - You Need to Meet These Women of the Bible (They Are Just Like Us) - Episode 398 Rebecca George - Ditch the prosperity gospel. Trust God's Timing. Episode 381 Download the free eBook: 15 Journaling Prompts and Scripture Verses 

October 19th Sermon | Guest Speaker was Halie Howells

Communities and cultures can become unhealthy if they don't play by God's rules. How do we prevent church hurt and abuse and heal from it?

October 22nd Sermon

Kailey Newkirk, Chris Timson, Eddy Moratin // This week, a panel of our Teach Team tackles the reality of church hurt—how spiritual wounds can run deep, and how Jesus offers healing, restoration, and renewed hope.Visit Our Website summitchurchfl.org Follow Us on Social Media Facebook // InstagramWatch Online Services and More YouTube Subscribe for weekly sermon podcasts!

This week, we share a For the Journey exclusive conversation between Bill Haley and Jerome Daley, co-founder of the Vining Center. They discuss the dynamics of what some have dubbed the “evangelical exodus,” and Jerome shares about his work developing more mature Christian leaders and helping people recover from various forms of church hurt. Ultimately, they discuss their respective journeys to the contemplative tradition and how those journeys have deepened their love for and intimacy with Jesus.Learn More About Spiritual Direction through CoracleExplore Bill's Essential Christianity Book and Online Courseinthecoracle.org  |  @inthecoracleSupport the show

If you've ever walked away from a church experience carrying more wounds than hope, you're not alone.In today's episode, I sit down with my friend Mia Elliott who shares her powerful story of growing up in a rigid, rule-based faith and how God gently led her into something deeper — a real, rich relationship with Jesus.Mia opens up about religious trauma, the ache of church hurt, and what it looked like to rediscover the heart of God after disappointment. Her story reminds us that healing doesn't mean walking away from faith, sometimes it means finally meeting Jesus outside the performance and pressure.If you've been hurt by people in the name of religion or you're wondering if faith can ever feel safe again, this conversation will breathe hope right where you are.To connect with Mia, head over to @themiaelliott and @wasthattoomuchpodcast on IG!Listen to Mia's podcast here: https://linktr.ee/themiaelliott?fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAaeoBLz2_1-LSRxKkEd5h_HD8Y2iGDzPdGnSWK1n80o33jhrZ6h3zPkQ6_j0sQ_aem_TVjBAlq3GM8RU2noTCy30g SUPPORT BY WORDS: https://buymeacoffee.com/bywordsSHOP MY BOOKS:Waking Up: Living Open — https://amzn.to/3LusgrzLove Is Devotional — https://amzn.to/3S6OZhs FREE Path to Purpose Guide: https://hannahhughes.myflodesk.com/pathwaytopurpose My favorite Bible studies + devotionals - HANNAHHUGHES10  for 10% off: https://thedailygraceco.com?dt_id=300773 Connect: ⁠www.thehannahhughes.com⁠Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/thehannahhughes/⁠ https://www.instagram.com/bywordspodcast Shop my Amazon faves: ⁠https://www.amazon.com/shop/thehannahhughes⁠

TODAY'S LESSONLet's be honest—some of the deepest wounds in life don't come from strangers, they come from the Church. A careless word, a betrayal by a leader, gossip that cuts, rejection from people who should have embraced you… church hurt runs deep. And here's the harsh reality: when the wound comes from God's family, it can shake your faith in God Himself.But here's what you need to hear: people may fail you, but Jesus never will. The Church was never perfect, because it's made up of imperfect people. If you expect flawless community, you'll always end up disappointed. But if you set your eyes on Christ, you'll find healing even when others wound you.Psalm 34 says, “The Lord is near to the brokenhearted and saves the crushed in spirit.” That means He doesn't stand at a distance saying, “Toughen up.” He draws close. He binds wounds. He restores.And here's the kicker: healing from church hurt isn't just about you. It's also about the Body. Because when we choose bitterness, we stay trapped. But when we choose forgiveness, we free ourselves and open the door for reconciliation.Some of you listening right now—you've been avoiding church because of past hurt. You've written off community because of one wound. And God is saying to you: “Come back. Don't let the pain of people rob you of My Presence in My Body.”The Church doesn't heal because it's perfect. It heals because Christ is present.

Forgiveness after church hurt can be challenging. Church hurt is so painful because it happens in a sacred place among God's people. If you have suffered religious trauma, you are not alone. In this episode, Dr. Bob Martin (Pops) walks you through how to begin healing from spiritual wounds, not by ignoring them, but by choosing biblical forgiveness and rediscovering God's heart for restoration. If you're struggling with bitterness, isolation, or even a crisis of faith, this episode is for you.SUBSCRIBE to our channel / @binmin_org JOIN the NEWSLETTER at https://binmin.org/newsletter/SUPPORT Binmin with a tax-deductible gift HERE - https://binmin.org/donate0:00 - INTRO 1:04 - CHURCH HURT IS DEVASTATING BECAUSE IT'S A CONTRADICTIONPsalm 13:11:38 - KNOWING WHAT FORGIVENESS IS AND WHAT IT ISN'T 2:25 - FORGIVENESS IS THE ONLY PATH TO FREEDOM FROM YOUR BONDAGE OF BITTERNESS AND ANGER3:10 - JESUS WAS BETRAYED BY RELIGIOUS PEOPLE TOOHe understands your pain3:40 - BEGIN WITH PRAYER AND LAMENT 4:00 - SET BOUNDARIES TO GUARD YOUR HEARTForgiveness and wisdom go hand in hand4:36 - YOU DON'T HAVE TO HEAL ALONE5:01 - LOSS OF TRUST IN GOD5:55 - THE RESULT OF FORGIVENESS IS YOUR TRANSFORMATION6:12 - CALL TO ACTION: CONSIDER TAKING STEPS TOWARDS FORGIVENESSJOIN the⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ NEWSLETTER⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. SUPPORT Binmin with a tax-deductible gift⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ HERE⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠CONNECT WITH BINMIN: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Linkedin⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Binmin.org⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Questions?: info@binmin.orgPODCAST RESOURCES: More from Binmin:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Binmin.org⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe on Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow on Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LEAVE A REVIEW on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 

October 5th Sermon

Last year, the Wall Street Journal reported that Bible sales are up by 22% from the year before (how cool is that?!). So in today's episode, we're hanging out with Amanda Bible Williams, the amazing co-founder of She Reads Truth. If you've never checked it out, it is an incredible community that helps women engage with the Bible every single day. Amanda opens up about her journey and shares some cool insights on why more people are opening up their Bibles, and why community matters when it comes to sticking with it. Plus She gives some practical tips for those just starting out on their faith journey (like what translation of the Bible to buy and what chapter to start with when reading the Bible for the first time).  She also offers some heartfelt encouragement to anyone who has been hurt by the church - find out who Jesus is for yourself by reading His Word. He loves you and will meet you right where you're at. Friend, this conversation will encourage you to keep opening your Bible and remind you that you don't have to do it alone. Grab a copy of The Bible is For You: https://amzn.to/3VyYuXY To learn more about She Reads Truth visit: shereadstruth.com To learn more about the American Bible Society “State of the Bible” survey visit: americanbible.org/news/state-of-the-bible/  To learn more about coaching with Adam visit: adamweber.com/coaching  Thanks to our amazing partners on this episode: Mission Haiti & Vern Eide Mission Haiti is a nonprofit organization whose mission is to love Jesus, love others, and make disciples in the country of Haiti. They live out that mission by training and coming alongside current and future leaders for the cause of Christ. To learn more, visit Mission-Haiti.org Vern Eide Motorcars is a growing employee-owned company that offers sales, service, and financing of automotive, motorcycle, and power sports lines, including Acura, Ford, Chevy, GMC, Honda, Hyundai and Mitsubishi brands. Whether you live locally or across the country, visit verneide.com Subscribe to The Conversation on YouTube and watch the full interview with Amanda: youtube.com/@adamaweber  Sign up for The Crew: adamweber.com/thecrew  

September 28th Sermon

Series: Church Hurt Title: When We Forget the Gospel Speaker: Pastor Daron Earlewine Date: September 28, 2025 The truth is, the church in Corinth struggled with the same issues we still face today: division, immorality, selfishness, and pride. In this 4-week series studying 1 Corinthians, we'll discover how the gospel speaks directly into our wounds and calls us to a better way. Paul doesn't give up on a messy church—he points them back to Jesus, the only source of healing and hope. Together, we'll learn how to live out the gospel authentically, so the church becomes a place of unity, integrity, love, and grace instead of hurt. The truth is, the church in Corinth struggled with the same issues we still face today: division, immorality, selfishness, and pride. In this 4-week series studying 1 Corinthians, we'll discover how the gospel speaks directly into our wounds and calls us to a better way. Paul doesn't give up on a messy church—he points them back to Jesus, the only source of healing and hope. Together, we'll learn how to live out the gospel authentically, so the church becomes a place of unity, integrity, love, and grace instead of hurt. STAY CONNECTED Website: https://mrne.info/church Mercy Kids: https://mrne.info/kids Mercy Students: https://mrne.info/students Mercy Road Northeast Facebook: https://mrne.info/facebook Mercy Road Northeast Instagram: https://mrne.info/instagram HELPFUL LINKS Connect Card: https://mrne.info/getconnected Prayer: https://mrne.info/prayer Give Online: https://mrne.info/giving Outposts: https://mrne.info/outpost Subscribe to MERCY ROAD CHURCH - NORTHEAST YouTube channel to watch this message again later this week! https://www.youtube.com/@mercyroadnortheast

Series: Church Hurt Title: When Freedom to Choose Hurts Others Speaker: Pastor Corinne Gunter Date: September 21, 2025 The truth is, the church in Corinth struggled with the same issues we still face today: division, immorality, selfishness, and pride. In this 4-week series studying 1 Corinthians, we'll discover how the gospel speaks directly into our wounds and calls us to a better way. Paul doesn't give up on a messy church—he points them back to Jesus, the only source of healing and hope. Together, we'll learn how to live out the gospel authentically, so the church becomes a place of unity, integrity, love, and grace instead of hurt. The truth is, the church in Corinth struggled with the same issues we still face today: division, immorality, selfishness, and pride. In this 4-week series studying 1 Corinthians, we'll discover how the gospel speaks directly into our wounds and calls us to a better way. Paul doesn't give up on a messy church—he points them back to Jesus, the only source of healing and hope. Together, we'll learn how to live out the gospel authentically, so the church becomes a place of unity, integrity, love, and grace instead of hurt. STAY CONNECTED Website: https://mrne.info/church Mercy Kids: https://mrne.info/kids Mercy Students: https://mrne.info/students Mercy Road Northeast Facebook: https://mrne.info/facebook Mercy Road Northeast Instagram: https://mrne.info/instagram HELPFUL LINKS Connect Card: https://mrne.info/getconnected Prayer: https://mrne.info/prayer Give Online: https://mrne.info/giving Outposts: https://mrne.info/outpost Subscribe to MERCY ROAD CHURCH - NORTHEAST YouTube channel to watch this message again later this week! https://www.youtube.com/@mercyroadnortheast

In this episode of FCC Talk, hosts Jon Rhoades and Dan Stribling from First Christian Church explore how God can transform tragedy into triumph, using the recent assassination of Charlie Kirk as a poignant example. Amid national unrest, they discuss the Christian response—condemning violence while emphasizing love, outreach, and welcoming newcomers to church. Drawing from Scripture like Romans 8:28, Genesis 50:20, and Romans 12:21, they highlight how God works through hardship to soften hearts, draw people to faith, and overcome evil with good. Whether you're grappling with personal loss or cultural division, this conversation offers hope, reminding us that suffering points us back to Jesus and the church as a hospital for the hurting.Timestamps:00:00:00 - Introduction and Greetings00:01:00 - Acknowledging the Tragedy of Charlie Kirk's Assassination00:02:54 - Condemning Violence and Discussing Political Implications00:03:00 - How God Works Through Terrible Events for Good00:03:55 - Stories of People Returning to Church Amid Crisis00:06:16 - The Christian Response: Welcoming Newcomers and Outreach00:08:50 - The Church as a Hospital in Times of National Uncertainty00:10:14 - Personal Reflections on Tragedy and God's Control00:11:26 - Suffering as Part of Life and Running Back to Jesus00:14:05 - Funerals vs. Weddings: Fertile Ground for the Gospel00:17:23 - Real-Life Examples of Church Hurt and Healing00:19:00 - Everyone Carries Burdens: Leading with Empathy00:20:36 - Emotions as Motivators, Truth as Anchor00:22:30 - Biblical Lessons: Joseph's Story and Overcoming Evil00:24:35 - Romans 8:28 - All Things Work for Good00:25:25 - Overcoming Evil with Good (Romans 12:21)00:26:24 - The Real Enemy: Spiritual Warfare (Ephesians 6)00:27:22 - Loving Those Who Celebrate Evil00:29:58 - Final Thoughts: Turning the Other Cheek and Bold Faith00:30:45 - Closing Encouragement and Call to ActionSubscribe for more faith-based discussions on Christian living, biblical wisdom, and responding to current events. What are your thoughts on finding God's purpose in tragedy? Comment below! #ChristianPodcast #CharlieKirk #GodInTragedy #FaithResponse #BibleStudy #ChurchOutreach

As we kick off our new series, “Why Church?,” we dive into the complex reality of church hurt and our calling to love and fight for the Bride of Christ.

What do we do with our anger, grief, and disappointment when the church itself becomes the source of hurt? In this message, we face the reality of “church hurt” head-on and wrestle with how Jesus invites us to respond differently. Instead of letting pain harden us, we're called to channel anger into compassion, hate into love, and to rediscover the hope of Christ's promise: the church is still His, and He is still redeeming it. This is a message for anyone who has ever felt wounded by God's people yet longs to see the healing only He can bring.

DateSeptember 14, 2025SynopsisIn this sermon, we confront the heavy religious baggage many of us carry around prayer and discover a liberating alternative. Through Jesus's radical teaching of the Lord's Prayer, we explore a transformative framework—Attend, Align, Act—that moves us from empty ritual to revolutionary practice. Instead of treating prayer like a spiritual vending machine, we're invited into a dynamic rhythm that awakens us to God's presence, reshapes our desires, and unleashes us as agents of healing in a broken world. This isn't just about changing how we pray. It's about reimagining how we live.ReferencesScripture: Matthew 5:5–15About The Local ChurchFor more information about The Local Church, visit our website. Feedback? Questions? Comments? We'd love to hear it. Email Brent at brent@thelocalchurchpbo.org.To invest in what God's doing through The Local Church and help support these podcasting efforts and this movement of God's love, give online here.

Series: Church Hurt Title: Does Sin Break our Hearts? Speaker: Teaching Pastor Daron Earlewine Date: September 14, 2025 The truth is, the church in Corinth struggled with the same issues we still face today: division, immorality, selfishness, and pride. In this 4-week series studying 1 Corinthians, we'll discover how the gospel speaks directly into our wounds and calls us to a better way. Paul doesn't give up on a messy church—he points them back to Jesus, the only source of healing and hope. Together, we'll learn how to live out the gospel authentically, so the church becomes a place of unity, integrity, love, and grace instead of hurt. The truth is, the church in Corinth struggled with the same issues we still face today: division, immorality, selfishness, and pride. In this 4-week series studying 1 Corinthians, we'll discover how the gospel speaks directly into our wounds and calls us to a better way. Paul doesn't give up on a messy church—he points them back to Jesus, the only source of healing and hope. Together, we'll learn how to live out the gospel authentically, so the church becomes a place of unity, integrity, love, and grace instead of hurt. STAY CONNECTED Website: https://mrne.info/church Mercy Kids: https://mrne.info/kids Mercy Students: https://mrne.info/students Mercy Road Northeast Facebook: https://mrne.info/facebook Mercy Road Northeast Instagram: https://mrne.info/instagram HELPFUL LINKS Connect Card: https://mrne.info/getconnected Prayer: https://mrne.info/prayer Give Online: https://mrne.info/giving Outposts: https://mrne.info/outpost Subscribe to MERCY ROAD CHURCH - NORTHEAST YouTube channel to watch this message again later this week! https://www.youtube.com/@mercyroadnortheast

Join us for an engaging discussion with Pastor Donavan and Valerie Hill, alongside Pastor Robert and Deborah Tisdale, as we explore key aspects of building strong family relationships through faith and consistent effort. This session delves into the importance of commitment to godliness, practical exercises from scripture, and strategies to maintain healthy relationships within the family. Hear personal anecdotes and insights on handling conflicts, fostering humility, balancing cultural influences, and the significance of mutual submission in marriage. Don't miss the profound exploration of how small steps can lead to significant changes in cultivating lasting and authentic relationships with God within your family.00:00 Introduction and Opening Remarks00:40 The 10,000 Hour Commitment01:55 Understanding Profane and Old Wives Tales06:20 Humility in Relationships15:26 Addressing Generational Trauma and Church Hurt20:08 Encouraging Leadership in the Home23:30 The Power of Forgiveness23:39 Self-Forgiveness and Christ's Sacrifice24:08 The Process of Healing and Growth25:02 Mutual Submission in Marriage27:15 Understanding the Role of a Help Meet29:01 Dealing with Strong Emotions in Relationships31:57 Creating a God-Centered Home for Children33:56 Personal Stories of Conflict and Resolution36:12 The Journey to Overcoming Anger45:58 Final Thoughts and Prayer

DateSeptember 7, 2025SynopsisIn this sermon, we unpack the loaded word "evangelism" and discover a fresh perspective that moves beyond pressure-filled conversion tactics to something more life-giving. Pastor Brent challenges us to reimagine evangelism not as a two-seater transaction but as a communal journey where there's always room for one more – complete with our questions, doubts, and full humanity. Through the lens of Philip's invitation to Nathanael to "come and see," we explore how authentic relationship and radical welcome can transform both ourselves and our world.ReferencesScripture: Matthew 28:16–20, John 1:43–51About The Local ChurchFor more information about The Local Church, visit our website. Feedback? Questions? Comments? We'd love to hear it. Email Brent at brent@thelocalchurchpbo.org.To invest in what God's doing through The Local Church and help support these podcasting efforts and this movement of God's love, give online here.

Catalyst Church NWA Pastor Nate Sweeney (Lead Pastor)

Series: Church Hurt Title: From Hurt to Healing Speaker: Lead Pastor Ken Primeau Date: September 7, 2025 The truth is, the church in Corinth struggled with the same issues we still face today: division, immorality, selfishness, and pride. In this 4-week series studying 1 Corinthians, we'll discover how the gospel speaks directly into our wounds and calls us to a better way. Paul doesn't give up on a messy church—he points them back to Jesus, the only source of healing and hope. Together, we'll learn how to live out the gospel authentically, so the church becomes a place of unity, integrity, love, and grace instead of hurt. The truth is, the church in Corinth struggled with the same issues we still face today: division, immorality, selfishness, and pride. In this 4-week series studying 1 Corinthians, we'll discover how the gospel speaks directly into our wounds and calls us to a better way. Paul doesn't give up on a messy church—he points them back to Jesus, the only source of healing and hope. Together, we'll learn how to live out the gospel authentically, so the church becomes a place of unity, integrity, love, and grace instead of hurt. STAY CONNECTED Website: https://mrne.info/church Mercy Kids: https://mrne.info/kids Mercy Students: https://mrne.info/students Mercy Road Northeast Facebook: https://mrne.info/facebook Mercy Road Northeast Instagram: https://mrne.info/instagram HELPFUL LINKS Connect Card: https://mrne.info/getconnected Prayer: https://mrne.info/prayer Give Online: https://mrne.info/giving Outposts: https://mrne.info/outpost Subscribe to MERCY ROAD CHURCH - NORTHEAST YouTube channel to watch this message again later this week! https://www.youtube.com/@mercyroadnortheast

In this powerful episode of the Feel Free Again podcast, I chat with Amy Diane Ross, a Grief Recovery Method Specialist and Bible teacher, about her transformative journey through grief and healing. Amy's story is deeply personal – she started this work as a way to help others but ended up healing her own heart in ways she never anticipated. From dealing with childhood trauma to navigating complex relationships, she found profound freedom through the Grief Recovery Method. Her experience proves that emotional healing is not just about overcoming loss, but about learning how to process grief to live fully in the present. Amy's passion for emotional wellness within the Christian community is contagious. She discusses the importance of offering healing tools in church settings and how they can help create healthier, more compassionate congregations. With years of ministry and outreach work, Amy shows us that meeting people where they are emotionally – without judgment – is key to real transformation. Whether you are dealing with grief from personal loss or church hurt, Amy shares how these methods can help you find peace and forgiveness. If you're struggling with emotional pain or unfinished grief, this conversation is a must-listen. Amy's approach emphasizes the power of self-disclosure, vulnerability, and using grief recovery tools to create lasting healing in our lives and communities. Tune in and discover how grief recovery can restore your emotional health, strengthen your relationships, and deepen your faith journey. Connect with Amy: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/amydianeross/ Website: https://www.bethechurchministry.com/   Timestamps with Titles: 00:00 - Introduction to Amy Diane Ross and Her Journey Cole and Amy dive into her background and the work she does with Grief Recovery. 02:10 - How Amy Found the Grief Recovery Method Amy shares the emotional journey that led her to discover grief recovery, after losing her father. 04:40 - The Power of a Listening Heart: Amy's Personal Healing Experience Amy describes the transformative impact of being truly heard during her grief recovery process. 07:10 - Grief Recovery in Christian Communities: A Missing Link Why this method is essential in helping the Christian community heal from emotional pain. 09:40 - The Importance of Emotional Healing in Churches Amy explains why churches need tools like grief recovery to help people emotionally process loss. 13:00 - Church Hurt and Unresolved Grief: How It Affects Congregations Exploring how grief and pain are often overlooked in church communities and the damage that can cause. 16:20 - How Grief Recovery Builds Trust and Vulnerability in Relationships The crucial role that emotional openness plays in building deeper, authentic relationships. 19:00 - Emotional Health for Pastors: Why They Need Grief Recovery Too Amy discusses the importance of pastors and leaders undergoing grief recovery to avoid burnout. 22:30 - Why Grief Recovery Should Be the First Step in Discipleship The benefits of starting with grief recovery before diving into Bible-based counseling. 30:00 - Practical Tools for Dealing with Grief and Trauma Amy talks about how the grief recovery tools provide a systematic approach to healing emotional pain.

What do you do when life feels overwhelming, prayers go unanswered, or God seems silent? In this conversation with Niki Hardy, author of God Can We Chat?, we talk about bringing raw questions and doubts to God, and why honest wrestling with Him can actually strengthen, not weaken, our faith. You'll discover how to separate hurt from God and hurt from the church, and how remembering His presence can give you the courage to keep walking through mystery, pain, and uncertainty. WHAT YOU'LL LEARN: [00:00] Can You Bring Your Doubts and Frustrations Honestly to God? [05:00] Why Wrestling with God Can Strengthen—Not Destroy—Your Faith [09:00] What's the Difference Between Hurt from God and Hurt from the Church? [13:00] How Does God Meet Us in Silence, Mystery, and Unanswered Questions? [16:00] Could Doubt Actually Be a Superpower in Your Faith Journey? [20:00] Practical Tools from God Can We Chat? to Process Questions with God [24:00] What Role Does Community Play in Healing Spiritual Disappointment? [28:00] How Can You Hold on to Hope When Life Doesn't Make Sense?  RESOURCES: Want practical help learning to manage your emotions better? Join us in Alicia's Emotional Confidence Club!     We're a Christ-centered community of women learning to process everyday emotions—like disappointment, overwhelm, and shame—using science-and-Scripture-based emotional management tools that make emotional healing practical, powerful, and personal.   Every 6 weeks we welcome new members and focus on a new topic.   Apply now to join the waitlist (limited number of spots available!) at AliciaMichelle.com/club.    RELATED EPISODES: Ep 297: Believing in God's Love Again After You've Been Hurt with Rachael Adams Ep 195: Pt 1: How Can I Believe That God Loves Me (In My Head and My Heart)? Ep 196: Pt 2: "How Can I Believe That God Loves Me (In My Head and My Heart)?" Send us a textWant support applying what you're learning here each week about managing emotions with science and scripture? Come join us in the Emotional Confidence Club—apply now at AliciaMichelle.com/club.

From straight-A student and “daddy's girl” to years of hidden pain, promiscuity, and heartbreak—her life changed when she gave God 365 days. Jesus met her with deliverance, inner healing, and a restored marriage, turning her story into a calling to help others find freedom. If you're battling trauma or betrayal, this testimony declares: God still heals.Listen on Podcast Spotify Podcast ⇨ https://spoti.fi/3RBKdq3Apple Podcast ⇨ https://apple.co/3evzCuuConnect with ushttps://www.facebook.com/delafetestimonieshttps://www.instagram.com/delafetestimonies/Connect with ChakaPhone ⇨ 423-967-7006Website ⇨ kissfromheaven.lifeFacebook ⇨ www.facebook.com/kingdomindulgenceInstagram ⇨ https://www.instagram.com/kindgomindulgencesoulspaCredits:Testimony by Chaka DorceanDirected by Eric Villatoro Interviewed by Eric Villatoro Edited By Darvin RamirezAudio Mixed by Paul Nicholas Testimony Recorded in Nashville, TennesseeDelafé Testimonies is a global evangelistic project with the mission of creating the world's largest archive of Jesus testimonies until His return. Chapters00:00 Introduction00:22 Warning00:27 Growing Up In a Home Without The Gospel 02:13 Experiencing Sexual Abuse At The Age of 5 03:29 Promiscuity In My Teenage Years 04:42 Encountering Jesus Through a Family That Wasn't My Own 07:49 Only Praying When I Needed God 10:59 The Holy Spirit Calls Me Out 13:53 I Make a Commitment To Serve God For 365 days 14:47 Giving My Life To Jesus at 13 20:01 I Begin Teaching At a Christian School22:38 God Calls Me Into Ministry 25:13 Asking God To Prove Himself 28:39 Beginning My Healing Journey 33:06 I Commit Myself To Celibacy 36:46 The Lord Begins To Show Me The Roots38:34 My Family Tree 39:58 Being Called To Deliverance Ministry 41:22 Meeting My Husband 44:17 The Lord Begins To Change My Heart Towards Having Children 47:13 God Heals Me From Narcolepsy 51:01 The Reality of Spiritual Warfare 54:39 Healing From My Childhood Traumas 57:29 Infidelity In My Marriage 1:00:23 Healing In The Arms Of My Offender 01:03:47 Crying Out To God 01:06:42 God Leads Us To Nashville 01:07:51 God Completely Heals My Heart 01:10:55 My Husband Today 01:13:22 Who is Jesus to You? 01:14:49 Prayer 01:18:09 Final Words JESUS Healed Me from Abuse, Church Hurt, and Infidelity (Testimony)Chaka Dorcean Testimony

Catalyst Church NWA Pastor Nate Sweeney (Lead Pastor)

When hurt by others in the church—misunderstood, falsely accused, or gossiped about—our flesh wants to fight back, but Christ calls us to bless, not retaliate. This sermon reminds us not to let pride poison us, not to go to war, and not to take vengeance into our own hands. 

Church hurt? Want to prevent yourself from ever being church hurt? Want to learn how to heal healthily? This is the message for you. Todd Sittig knocked it out of the park. Thank you, Jesus, for this anointed message!www.realchurch.us

ON THIS EPISODE: (TIME STAMPS BELOW) A review of the movie Red Sonja (2025), and Paeter shares some stories of times he was deeply hurt by the church and why today he is more committed than ever to the same church that hurt him, and the local church in general! PLUS, a walkthrough/review of the book that both helped Paeter survive as a geek in the church, and also laid a foundation for his nearly 20 year ministry to Christian Geeks online! AND MUCH MORE! 00:00:30 Intro 00:03:15 Red Sonja (2025) Review 00:21:28 The Heart Of The Artist by Rory Noland (Book Overview & Review) 01:00:51 CGC & Christian Geek News 01:03:17 Paeter's Story Of Being Hurt By His Church & Why He Still Loves It Today 02:33:32 On The Next Episode… Support this podcast and enjoy exclusive rewards at https://www.patreon.com/spiritbladeproductions Join Our Free Public Discord Channels! Invite HERE: https://discord.gg/5CRfFy2GG5 SUBSCRIBE TO PAETER'S SUBSTACK, @PAETERFRANDSEN: https://paeterfrandsen.substack.com/ Subscribe in a reader Open In i-tunes- itms://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-christian-geek-central-podcast/id258963175?mt=2 i-tunes Page Link- https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-christian-geek-central-podcast/id258963175?mt=2 Get fun, exclusive rewards for your support! Visit: https://www.patreon.com/spiritbladeproductions Or Become a Patron! All episodes are archived and available for download at www.spiritblade.com , Resources used to prepare CGC Bible Study/Devotional content include:"Expositor's Bible Commentary", Frank E. Gaebelein General Editor (Zondervan Publishing House),"The IVP Bible Background Commentary: Old Testament", by Dr. John H. Walton, Dr. Victor H. Matthews & Dr. Mark W. Chavalas (InterVarsity Press), "The IVP Bible Background Commentary: New Testament", by Dr. Craig S. Keener (InterVarsity Press),Thayer's Greek Lexicon, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance Blueletterbible.org, The Christian Geek Central Statement Of Faith can be found at: http://christiangeekcentral.blogspot.com/p/about.html The Christian Geek Central Podcast is written, recorded and produced by Paeter Frandsen. Additional segments produced by their credited authors. Logo created by Matthew Silber. Copyright 2007-2025, Spirit Blade Productions. Music by Wesley Devine, Bjorn A. Lynne, Pierre Langer, Jon Adamich, audionautix.com and Sound Ideas. Spazzmatica Polka by Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Freesound.org effects provided by: FreqMan

We finally got around to part two, and it led to so many other conversations! This is a prime example of how my wife and I communicate—laughs, tears, passionate explanations, it's all in this episode. Hope you enjoy!Subscribe to my weekly reflections on SubstackFollow The Tired Dad on InstagramFollow The Tired Mom on InstagramSubscibe to Youtube Follow on TikTokFollow on FacebookEnter code: tireddadpod for 15% off at tireddad.comFor partnerships, email collabs@tireddad.com 

When hurt comes from within the body of Christ, it can harden our hearts and distance us from God's people.  In part two of their message on Church Hurt, Pastors Andrew and Christina uncover how to handle church hurt in a way that brings health rather than bitterness. We'll learn how to develop thick skin while keeping a soft heart, extend grace that we ourselves need, refuse to let a wound turn into a wall, and choose a helpful narrative that points us back to Christ.  Pain in the church doesn't have to define us; it can shape us into people of maturity, mercy, and resilience when we let God lead the healing process.

Can you be a Christian without the church? In this timely episode, Dr. Carmen Imes argues forcefully—and pastorally—that Christianity without community is a contradiction. Drawing from her new book Becoming God's Family, she and Dru Johnson explore why so many people are walking away from church and what it would take to draw them back. From church hurt to spiritual abuse to toxic celebrity culture, Carmen doesn't shy away from the reasons people leave. But she also offers theological and pastoral wisdom on why we can't give up on the church. They explore biblical stories of failed community, why Hagar's story matters, and what healthy faithfulness looks like in a flawed body. They also discuss when it's time to leave a church, how American and global cultures can distort biblical community, and why true belonging means discomfort, difference, and even lament. Drawing on stories from her life and ministry, Carmen makes the case that church isn't about getting what we want—it's about becoming who we're meant to be. For Carmen Imes' substack: https://substack.com/@carmenjoyimes We are listener supported. Give to the cause here: https://hebraicthought.org/give For more resources: https://thebiblicalmind.org/ Social Links: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HebraicThought Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hebraicthought Threads: https://www.threads.net/hebraicthought X: https://www.twitter.com/HebraicThought Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/hebraicthought.org Chapters: 00:00 The Importance of Community in Faith 01:37 Addressing Church Disconnection Post-Pandemic 04:22 The Role of Scripture in Community Dynamics 07:17 Navigating Church Hurt and Abuse 10:36 Finding Hope in Faithful Communities 13:46 The Broader Picture of Church Life 16:38 Understanding God's Family Beyond the Church 18:39 The Power of Community and Discipleship 20:03 Cultural Blind Spots and Family Loyalty 21:42 The Radical Nature of Church Family 25:24 The Ananias and Sapphira Lesson 27:59 The Role of Green Rooms in Church 31:10 Lamenting Together as a Family 32:45 The Messiness of Community 35:34 The Quest for Like-Mindedness 37:32 Diversity in Church and Community 41:58 Creative Solutions for Multicultural Worship  

Have you ever felt overlooked? In today's episode, host Tina Yeager sits down with Mary DeMuth—literary agent, prolific author, and podcaster—to talk about the universal experience of feeling overlooked and misunderstood. Drawing from her latest book, The Most Overlooked Women of the Bible, Mary shares her own story of walking through pain and isolation, particularly within church communities, and offers honest insight on coping with being unseen and undervalued. Together, Tina and Mary explore the emotional weight of being overlooked, the challenge of rebuilding trust after betrayal, and how to process those feelings through both faith and safe community. Mary reminds us of our inherent worth as individuals created in God's image and encourages listeners to seek healing—not in isolation, but with trusted people who can walk through the journey with us. Stay tuned for encouragement, practical steps toward healing, and a much-needed reminder that you are not alone. If you've ever struggled to feel seen, this episode is especially for you. Highlights from this episode include: You're Not Alone: Mary and Tina talk about how common it is to feel isolated or insignificant, especially when comparing our lives to the “highlight reels” of others on social media. Honest Community: Healing often starts by sharing openly with safe, trustworthy people. Mary offered practical advice on how to recognize supportive relationships and protect your own heart. Faith & Worth: The foundation of our worth doesn't come from others, but from being created in God's image. Mary reflected on the importance of lamenting our pain, processing it with God and community, and slowly rebuilding trust. Steps Toward Healing: Acknowledge your pain, talk to a safe person, and don't shy away from grieving. Real, healthy community is a vital part of true healing. Mary's wisdom is a timely reminder—if you're feeling overlooked right now, you aren't “the only one.” There's hope and community waiting for you, just as you are. Want to dive deeper? Check out Mary DeMuth's daily Pray Every Day podcast, visit her website at marydemuth.com for helpful resources, and explore her books for more encouragement and tools.   We're thrilled to accompany you on this journey of faith, growth, and transformation. As always, we appreciate your support! Please subscribe and share this episode. We can't wait for you to join us for future episodes of Flourish-Meant. To book Tina as a speaker, connect with her life coaching services, and more, visit her website: https://tinayeager.com/ Optimize your mind and body with my new favorite, all-inclusive supplement, Cardio Miracle! I love the energy and focus this health-boosting drink mix provides without toxins, caffeine, or sugar! Get a discount on your purchase with my link: http://www.cardiomiracle.com/tinayeager Use the code TINA10 at checkout. To flourish in all seasons of life with the highest quality nutraceutical health supplements that benefit charitable causes, shop NutraMedix wellness supplements. Be sure to use my link  https://www.nutramedix.com/?rfsn=7877557.b6c6785 and add my special code TINA to get 10% off your entire purchase! If you're a writer, subscribe to Inkspirations Online (devotional publication by writers for writers): https://www.inkspirationsonline.com/ Manage stress and anxiety in 10 minutes a day with the course presented by 15 experts, Subdue Stress and Anxiety https://divineencouragement.onlinecoursehost.com/courses Connect with Tina at: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/tyeagerwriting/ Linked In: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tinayeager/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tina.yeager.9/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/TinaYeager Pinterest: https://www.pinterest.com/tyeagerwrites/ Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/3865622.Tina_Yeager

The First sermon in our series: "It Takes a Village Church"Scripture: Romans 16Dr. Nick FloydSenior Pastor

“Church Hurt” is real, but it doesn't have to define your faith or your future.  In this message, Pastors Andrew and Christina Gard walk us through the process of naming and facing those wounds honestly, asking whether it was truly “church hurt” or simply the challenges of being part of a flawed, human family. We'll uncover the importance of taking personal responsibility, doing our part to pursue reconciliation and growth, and recognizing that while the church will never be perfect, it can be as healthy as we allow it to be. This is not just about surviving hurt but discovering the hope and healing God intends within His body.

Church hurt is one of the deepest wounds a believer can experience—and often, it's carried in silence. In this episode, Shanda sits down with author and speaker Teasi Canon to talk about her personal journey of healing from church hurt and how God restored her faith in the midst of it. Together, they unpack why church hurt is so common, how to process pain in a healthy way without deconstructing your faith, and what to do when you've been wounded by leadership or a church community. Teasi shares practical wisdom on discerning when to stay or leave a church, separating the failures of people from the truth of God, and taking the first step toward healing. If you've ever wondered whether you can love Jesus while struggling to trust His church, this conversation will meet you with hope, honesty, and biblical clarity. Teasi's Website: https://www.teasicannon.com Find Shanda www.shandafulbright.com Instagram & Facebook: @shandafulbright Email: hello@shandafulbright.com Free Resources: https://shandafulbright.com/links YouTube: http://bit.ly/ShandaYT2021 Store: www.Shandafulbright.com/shop  

This week on For The Girl, I'm joined AGAIN by my husband, Tyler, for a fun and honest Q&A! From marriage highs and parenting lows to navigating in-laws, friendships, and even the dreaded "Is he into me or just being nice?" question—nothing's off limits. Whether you're single, dating, married, or raising toddlers, this episode brings a dose of laughter, practical advice, and heartfelt encouragement. Tyler shares wisdom from a guy's perspective, and I keeps it real with vulnerable insights on love, communication, and what it actually takes to stay connected when life gets chaotic. Trust us, you'll want to send this one to all your girls (and maybe your guy too