Podcasts about Riesling

In this episode of Five Questions with a Winemaker, presented by the Vint Marketplace, we sit down with Stephen and Prue Henschke, sixth-generation vintners of Henschke Wines—one of Australia's most revered estates. From Eden Valley Riesling to the legendary Hill of Grace Shiraz, the Henschkes have helped define fine wine in Australia.Stephen and Prue share:

In this episode of the Vint Wine Podcast, we sit down with Jean-Frédéric Hugel, 13th-generation vintner at Famille Hugel in Alsace, to explore one of France's most historic wine families and regions. Founded in 1639, Famille Hugel is a benchmark producer known for its Rieslings, Gewürztraminer, and age-worthy late-harvest wines.Jean-Frédéric discusses his family's centuries-long legacy in Alsace, the evolution of Hugel's winemaking, and the unique terroir and culture that define the region. He also shares what it means to represent Alsace in the Primum Familiae Vini (PFV), a group of 12 leading family-owned wine estates from across Europe.Key topics include:The distinct profile of Alsace Riesling compared to German or Austrian stylesThe role of Gewürztraminer, Pinot Gris, and Muscat in Hugel's aromatic dry whitesHow Hugel produces some of the world's longest-lived Vendange Tardive and Sélection de Grains Nobles(botrytized sweet wines)The philosophy behind Hugel's Classic, Estate, and Grossi Laüe tiersHugel's new project: their first-ever Crémant d'Alsace sparkling wineWhy Hugel doesn't use oak and how their neutral winemaking showcases terroir

What do you get when you freeze grapes on the vine and squeeze out just a few precious drops? One of the wildest wines we've ever tasted.In this episode, we explore a 2022 Wagner Vineyards Ice Wine from New York's Finger Lakes. It's syrupy, it's complex, and it's way more than just “sweet.” We break down what makes ice wine so expensive, why its acidity blew us away, and how this dessert wine flipped our expectations.Whether you're a Riesling fan, a wine nerd, or just curious about ice wine, this is the episode for you.Connect with the show. We would love to hear from you!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠stopwastingyourwine.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Chapters00:00 – Intro + What's in Our Glass03:20 – Why Ice Wine?05:30 – Wine Specs: 2022 Wagner Riesling Ice Wine08:30 – What Is Ice Wine, Really?10:10 – First Impressions: The Nose12:30 – Tasting Notes + Reactions15:30 – That Acidity Tho18:00 –Learning Segment: How Ice Wine Is Made21:30 – Why It's So Expensive27:10 – Final Thoughts Before the Review29:20 – The Review33:40 – Playing “Where's the Lie?” (Wagner Vineyards Edition)42:23 -- Outro

Send us a textIs wine really as picky as people make it out to be? In this episode of Bottles & Bites Without Borders, we throw out the old rulebook and dive into the delicious, wide-open world of unexpected wine pairings. From spicy street tacos to sushi rolls, fried chicken to donuts, we explore how wine doesn't just go with everything—it elevates it.Join us as we sip, snack, and challenge the traditional wisdom of wine snobbery. Whether you're a casual drinker or a seasoned sommelier, you'll come away with fresh ideas, fun pairings, and maybe even a new favorite combo (spoiler: Riesling and hot wings might change your life).Grab a glass and let's break some boundaries—because wine deserves a seat at every table.Contact or Follow Rob: www.bottlesandbiteswb.com rob@bottlesandbiteswb.com @foodwhiskey on X @bottles_bites_wb on IG Join the Bottles & Bites FB Grouphttps://www.facebook.com/groups/533352930766813 #food #whiskey #bourbon #wine #homecook #cook #BBQ #foodie #Italy #barolo #cabernet Sauvignon #france #italy #spain #napa #scotch #pizza #coffee Support the show

In this episode of Five Questions with a Winemaker, we sit down with Jean Frédéric Hugel, the 13th generation of the legendary Famille Hugel in Alsace, France. Jean shares the story behind one of the region's most historic producers, known for its benchmark dry Rieslings and long-lived sweet wines.We cover:

Send us a textUncorking the perfect Easter dinner companion! Raymond Prüm's Essence Mosel Riesling 2023 delivers exceptional value at under $15, bringing nine centuries of German winemaking heritage directly to your table. This gem from the steep slate-covered hillsides of the Mosel Valley showcases why this region surpasses even legendary areas like Napa and Bordeaux for growing the perfect Riesling grape.The wine strikes that elusive balance between subtle sweetness and refreshing acidity, creating what can only be described as a nectar-like quality that evokes perfectly ripened fruit. Each sip reveals clearly defined notes of peach, pear, tangerine, and nectarine with gentle hints of spice that never overwhelm. At just 10.5% alcohol, it's remarkably approachable for wine enthusiasts and casual drinkers alike.What makes this bottle truly special extends beyond taste. The Prüm family's dedication to sustainable practices shines through their 100% hand-harvested grapes, organic farming methods, and vegan-friendly production techniques. They purchase entire vineyard yields from local growers to maintain complete quality control—a commitment that's evident from first pour to final sip. Whether paired with Easter ham, served at a spring gathering, or enjoyed on your patio as warmer weather approaches, this Riesling delivers sophistication without pretension. Ready to discover why wine experts consistently place the Mosel Valley at the pinnacle of Riesling production? Grab a bottle, chill it properly, and experience centuries of winemaking mastery for yourself.Check us out at www.cheapwinefinder.comor email us at podcast@cheapwinefinder.com

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Do you love wine, food, and travel? Then you're going to love this episode! I'm excited to welcome Sue-Ann Staff to Wine Behind the Scenes. She is a seventh-generation farmer and fifth-generation grape grower in the Niagara Peninsula. Sue-Ann loves making Icewine and other wines, and she has some incredible stories to share. We talk about her journey from growing up on the family farm to becoming one of Niagara's most passionate advocates for local wine. Sue-Ann doesn't just make wine, she creates experiences. Whether battling Mother Nature, perfecting food and wine pairings, or travelling to places like Singapore and Germany to share her craft, her dedication and love for winemaking are truly inspiring. Join us for this fun and insightful conversation, and get ready to see Niagara wines in a whole new light!  In this episode, you will be able to:  Discover the unique world of Icewine-making and the excitement of the Icewine Festival in Niagara, as Sue-Ann shares her passion for this specialty wine. Learn about the challenges of winemaking, including the importance of adapting to changing climate conditions. Explore the personal journey of Sue-Ann, a fifth-generation grape grower, and her path to becoming a winemaker, including her studies in Australia. Uncover the significance of community and collaboration among wineries in the Niagara Benchlands and how they aim to change perceptions about Ontario wines. Enjoy insightful food and wine pairing tips, including unexpected combinations that elevate the tasting experience, such as Icewine with savory dishes. Sue-Ann Staff is a passionate winemaker and the driving force behind Sue-Ann Staff Estate Winery, located in the picturesque Niagara Benchlands of Ontario. As a seventh-generation farmer and fifth-generation grape grower, Sue-Ann has deep roots in the vineyard, where her love for winemaking began at an early age. With a Bachelor of Science in Agriculture from Guelph University and a graduate degree in winemaking from the University of Adelaide, she has honed her craft in one of the world's most dynamic wine regions. Sue-Ann's expertise lies in producing high-quality Icewine and a variety of other wines, including Riesling, Cabernet Franc, and Baco Noir. Her commitment to showcasing the unique terroir of the Niagara Peninsula is evident in her work with the Niagara Benchlands Wineries, a collaborative group of 31 wineries dedicated to promoting the region's exceptional wines. In addition to her winemaking endeavours, Sue-Ann is an engaging storyteller who loves to connect with wine enthusiasts through tastings, events, and innovative online segments like "Sizzling with Sass," where she pairs delicious food with her wines. With a focus on quality, community, and the joy of sharing wine, Sue-Ann invites everyone to experience the warmth and hospitality of her winery, where every bottle tells a story. When she's not in the vineyard or the cellar, you can find Sue-Ann enjoying the great outdoors, skiing, or planning her next international wine adventure. Follow her journey and discover the magic of Niagara wines at Sue-AnnStaff.com. Contact Sue-Ann Staff here:  Website: https://www.sue-annstaff.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/sueannstaffestatewinery/# Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@sue-annstaffestatewinery3058 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sueannstaffestatewinery

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Now this is an exciting wine! We didn't have super high expectations going in - the name Kerner does not scream “adventure” - but we are telling you this is a white wine that is worth seeking out. Some call it one of the best white wines in Italy, and after tasting it, we agree, and so we are wondering why it does not get more love! It is a grape originally created in Germany as a cross between Riesling and Schiava/Trollinger to be a workhorse and handle cold weather, the Italians have made it into a rich, complex, and beautiful aromatic white wine. Confused about why this German wine is being made in Germany?!? Listen in and we'll tell you why! Both the wines we tried in this episode are excellent, and what is fun is that they are both a little different from each other - the Abbazia wine we would call adventurous and worth seeking out, and the winemaker is no slouch, having won the Gambero Rosso Winemaker of the Year in 2009. Trust us, this is an episode you will want to listen to. Wines reviewed in this episode:  2023 Kellerei Bozen Puntscheit Kerner, 2023 Abbazia di Novacella KernerSend us a Text Message and we'll respond in our next episode!Contact The Wine Pair Podcast - we'd love to hear from you!Visit our website, leave a review, and reach out to us: https://thewinepairpodcast.com/Follow and DM us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thewinepairpodcast/Send us an email: joe@thewinepairpodcast.com

Dan Berger. California Wine Country with Steve Jaxon and Dan Berger today includes Dan's thoughts about tariffs and wine sales. This continues some of the subject matter he discussed on this episode of CWC three weeks ago. Dan Berger begins by describing an online newsletter and Substack called Fermentations, written by Tom Wark. Dan says it has the most interesting perspective on the business. For the rest of today Dan and Steve will talk about some tastings and also about tariffs and the changing retail and wholesale wine market. Dan sees that the impositions of tariffs is going to be devastating throughout the wine industry. It will negatively impact foreign wine, but it will also adversely affect the entire market. 37% of retail sales are imported. If a bottle of champagne has gone from $50 to $125, buyers won't buy. Wine prices are going to stay the same for California wine, and prices of European wine will go up. The United States Wine Trade Alliance, representing 5,000 businesses, is attempting to lobby against the tariffs, but with dim prospects. Dan suggests looking for wines that are already here and buying what you want, now. Layoffs, Disinvestment & Ownership Concentration There have been layoffs in the wholesale wine business. In the last year, wineries have been going out of business. Vintage Wine Merchants has closed and Constellation has announced their intention to sell their wine properties. Mr. Foley has been buying wineries in these distressed conditions and now owns something like thirty brands. Dan says that if the tariffs stay in place for over a year, look out for big trouble. Also, Canada has stopped buying American wine and spirits too. Canada has been an important source of revenue for some California wineries. Chardonnay, Albariño and Gamay 2023 Kumeu River Estate Chardonnay from New Zealand that comes from a winemaker named Michael Brackovich that Dan knows. The winery is not far from Auckland, on a lovely bay. The wine is delicious. No tariffs have been threatened on New Zealand and Australia, at least yet. It is a great example of southern hemisphere Chardonnay. They also taste a Hendry 2023 Albariño, from the Napa Valley. It is a variety that grows in Portugal and Spain, and also some in California. Dan says it has the structure of Gewürztraminer but the aromatics of a Riesling only with additional orange peel flavors. Dan has selected wines today from California, Australia and New Zealand whose prices will not change. Finally they taste a Gamay, which is similar to Pinot Noir. This comes from a property called Mount Edward in New Zealand. It could have been made into a fruity Beaujolais style wine but this one has a little more substance. It has black pepper flavors that come from the colder climate. New Zealand makes a lot of Gamay, which usually becomes the young fruity Beaujolais style. This wine is made more like a Syrah, focussed on acidity, instead of that. Dan would pair it with a well-done hamburger with some char on it.

Treveri Cellars, Washington State's Yakima Valley, founding sparkling wine house, produces some of the finest handcrafted sparkling wines in the United States. Family-owned and operated since its inception, Treveri prides itself on a tradition of excellence in both winemaking and service, ensuring that each bottle of sparkling wine delivers superior taste and quality. With a wide array of sparkling wines, including non-traditional varieties such as Riesling and Müller-Thurgau, Treveri largely focuses on 100% varietal sparkling wines, crafting each wine in the traditional method (Méthode Traditionnelle). Treveri Cellars was founded with the principal of producing premium sparkling wines from Washington State using the finest vineyard sources. Treveri's wines are expressive of each varietal, and have a distinctive flavor of both the unique terroir and style of its winemakers and their German heritage. With degrees in Winemaking and Sparkling Winemaking from Karthäuserhof Winery in Germany, Head Winemaker Jürgen Grieb, along with his son, Christian, use the traditional method of producing sparkling wine, a complicated process that yields delightfully complex and fruit-forward sparkling wine. Treveri's winemakers bring together old-world techniques and new world fruit, crafting sparkling wines that rival some of the world's best.

This is the weekly columnSpring is here. What wines are especially suited for the warming days and the return of plants from dormancy? There are many happy choices.Bright acidity, floral aromatics, freshness, lightness, and lower alcohol are hallmarks of wines that pair with the dynamic character of the season. Here are some classic suggestions:• Sauvignon blanc. New Zealand efforts burst with lime and passionfruit and aromas of freshly mowed grass. Efforts from France's Loire Valley lean more toward flinty minerality. West Coast sauv blancs can be silky with notes of honeydew melon. All work with spring salads, seafood, goat cheese.• Riesling. Dry versions from Germany's Mosel region deliver floral aromas and crisp apple, sometimes honeysuckle and nectarine. Very versatile. Pair with a picnic.• Vinho verde. Portugal's light, high acidity, slightly effervescent, lower alcohol wine is another picnic pleaser with citrus and apple notes. Seafood is classic pairing, so is a fresh tomato and cucumber salad. It also pairs well with spicy foods. Serve well chilled.• Dry rosé. Of course. Provencal styles deliver strawberry, watermelon, lemon-lime, grapefruit, delicate whiffs of roses and other flowers. Light bodied, crisp, refreshing. Another very versatile food wine and can be enjoyed sipped by itself during a lovely spring afternoon.• Pinot noir. The light red is versatile. Enjoy ripe strawberry flavors amid silky tannins.• Gamay. These wines from France's Beaujolais can be slightly chilled. They deliver vibrant flavors of strawberry, raspberry, cherry, and cranberry. Thanks to carbonic maceration—where fermentation begins inside the intact berry in an oxygen-free tank—you also may get banana, kirsch, or bubblegum. Usually light bodied with good acidity, low tannins, low alcohol, silky mouthfeel, refreshing. Another very versatile food pairing wine.Not all wines are well suited for spring. Wines to think twice about before opening:• Heavy, full-bodied reds. Grippy tannins and higher alcohol of cabernet sauvignon, syrah/shiraz, mourvèdre can make them awkward springtime wines.• Mass-market blends with residual sugar. With candied fruit flavors, thick, syrupy textures, and elevated alcohol they are not sprightly in spring. Or any season, some would argue.• Heavy-oaked chardonnays and viogniers. Butter and vanilla notes easily overpower spring's lighter fare. Save those for winter.Tasting notes:• Rabble Sauvignon Blanc, Central Coast 2022: Nuanced, balanced, impressive interplay of tartness and hint of sweetness with plenty of fruitiness. $18-21 Link to my review• Mendes & Symington Monção e Melgaço Contacto Alvarinho Vinho Verde DOC 2023: Bright, refreshing, great minerality, outstanding quality. $22-27 Link to my review• Maison Sainte Marguerite Symphonie Rosé, Côtes de Provence 2022: Elegant, refined, classic, harmonious Provence rosé. Finesse, freshness with minerality, bright acidity. $24-28 Link to my reviewLast roundA book fell on my head. I can only blame my shelf. Wine time.Email: wine@cwadv.comNewsletter: gusclemens.substack.comWebsite: Gus Clemens on Wine websiteFacebook: facebook.com/GusClemensOnWine/posts/Twitter (X): @gusclemensLong form wine stories on Vocal: Gus Clemens on VocalLinks worth exploringDiary of a Serial Hostess Ins and outs of entertaining; witty anecdotes of life in the stylish lane.As We Eat Multi-platform storytelling explores how food connects, defines, inspires.Gus Clemens on Wine is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit gusclemens.substack.com/subscribe

Managing pests like powdery mildew, downy mildew, botrytis, and sour rot can be a complex challenge. Andy Fles, Vineyard Manager at Shady Lane Cellars in Michigan, shares insights from his USDA Sustainable Ag Research Education producer grant project. The project compares two pest management approaches: a ‘soft' pesticide program and a conventional one. Andy conducted the experiment using his on farm sprayer, providing real-world results. Despite climate variability and fluctuating pest pressures, the soft pesticide program proved effective. The project underscores the potential of using softer chemistries to manage disease while maintaining fruit quality. Resources:         REGISTER: April 25, 2025 | Fungicide Spraying: Evolving Strategies & Grower Insights 80: (Rebroadcast) The Goldilocks Principle & Powdery Mildew Management 117: Grapevine Mildew Control with UV Light 197: Managing the Sour Rot Disease Complex in Grapes 219: Intelligent Sprayers to Improve Fungicide Applications and Save Money 235: Battling Fungicide Resistance with Glove Sampling Rufus Issacson, Michigan State University Shady Lane Cellars Secures $11K National Farming Grant Timothy Miles, Michigan State University Vineyard Team Programs: Juan Nevarez Memorial Scholarship - Donate SIP Certified – Show your care for the people and planet   Sustainable Ag Expo – The premiere winegrowing event of the year Vineyard Team – Become a Member Get More Subscribe wherever you listen so you never miss an episode on the latest science and research with the Sustainable Winegrowing Podcast. Since 1994, Vineyard Team has been your resource for workshops and field demonstrations, research, and events dedicated to the stewardship of our natural resources. Learn more at www.vineyardteam.org.   Transcript [00:00:00] Beth Vukmanic: Managing pests like powdery mildew, downy mildew, botrytis and sour rot can be a complex challenge. [00:00:10] Welcome to sustainable Wine Growing with Vineyard Team, where we bring you the latest in science and research for the wine industry. I'm Beth Vukmanic executive director. [00:00:21] In today's podcast, Craig McMillan, critical resource Manager at Niner Wine Estates. With Longtime SIP Certified Vineyard and the first ever SIP certified winery speaks with Andy Fles, vineyard Manager at Shady Lane Cellars in Michigan. Andy shares insights from his USDA Sstainable Ag Research Education Producer grant project. The project compares to pest management approaches, a soft pesticide program and a conventional one. [00:00:50] Andy conducted the experiment using his on farms sprayer, providing real world results. Despite climate variability and fluctuating pest pressures, the soft pesticide program proved effective. The project underscores the potential of using softer chemistries to manage disease while maintaining fruit quality. [00:01:10] If you'd like to learn more about this topic, then we hope you can join us on April 25th, 2025 for the fungicide spraying evolving strategies in Grower Insights tailgate taking place in San Luis Obispo, California. Dr. Shunping Ding of Cal Poly will share updated results from a study on the efficacy of different fungicide programs containing bio fungicides. [00:01:34] Then we will head out into the vineyard to learn about new technologies for integrated pest management and talk with farmers from different growing regions about their program. Now let's listen in.  [00:01:49] Craig Macmillan: Our guest today is Andy Fles. He is the vineyard manager at Shady Lane Cellars in Michigan. And today we're going to talk about a pretty cool little project. He's got going looking into two different pesticide programs. Thanks for being on the podcast, Andy. [00:02:03] Andrew Fles: Yeah, my pleasure, Craig. [00:02:05] Craig Macmillan: So you have a grant from the USDA sustainable agriculture research and education program. To look at what you call a soft pesticide program for your vineyard in Michigan and comparing it to what we would call a sustainable or sustainable conventional program. What do you define as a soft pesticide program? [00:02:25] Andrew Fles: Well, that's kinda just a, a term that we applied to identify it. I didn't want to use organic because I thought that there would be a good chance we would utilize things that are considered by the industry to be very soft in terms of you know, they're not a harsh chemical or a carcinogenic, a known carcinogenic compound. [00:02:49] But something, for example, like. Like horticultural grade peroxide, which goes by several different trade names. So that's just, it's hydrogen peroxide and it is a disinfectant that turns into water and oxygen. So it's pretty Soft in terms of what it does to beneficials and, and plants and, and such. [00:03:11] We utilize some of those products already in our spray program. But combined also with, we're probably 50 percent organic in terms of what we spray out. for fungicides, pesticides, insecticides. And so we're still altering in some synthetic compounds. [00:03:28] And we wanted to compare that, what we currently do, to something that was much softer, like only soft compounds. Something that could be considered a OMRI certified organic program, or, or almost, right? Like maybe there's just one or two things that are very soft, but not technically OMRI certified. [00:03:49] Craig Macmillan: Right, and I do want to , get into the weeds on that a little bit later. Cause it's a, it's an interesting, Set a program that you've got going and I have lots of questions about them. What inspired this project? [00:04:01] Andrew Fles: I think just that continued movement towards investigating what works here in the east. You know, we, of course, get more wetting events and, and wetting periods that cause more fungal issues here compared to the west coast. And so we really, you know, we have to have an eye on sustainability. Certainly at Shady Lane, we really push for that. [00:04:25] But we also need to make sure that we have a marketable crop. We need to make sure the wine quality is, is high and acceptable for our standards. And so you know, if we're talking about, you know, every year is quite different here. We can get a, like, for example, in 2024, very wet in the first half of the year, very, very dry in the second half. [00:04:51] And, and then, which was quite different from 23 and quite different from 22 and so on and so forth. so, so some years we need to kind of step in and use a synthetic product here at this key time or, you know we need to protect our, our, our wine grape quality. [00:05:07] Craig Macmillan: What are the primary pests and diseases in your area? [00:05:11] Andrew Fles: So we have issues with the usual suspects that powdery mildew, of course. That's, that's fairly, I think if you're on top of your game, that's, it's pretty controllable. Even with soft products here it's just a spray frequency and coverage issue. [00:05:27] Downy mildew is something that can be quite challenging in certain years. [00:05:31] And there's, and there's less tools in the toolbox to use for that as well. And so you gotta, you gotta be on top of that with scouting preventative, like canopy, you know, canopy management practices that deter too dense of a canopy or, or clusters that are. hidden behind several layers of leaf. [00:05:53] Those are going to cause problems for you no matter what you're spraying, synthetic or organic, right? So, so we try and utilize all those things and and then we, we can also have issues in some years with botrytis and even sour rot and tight clustered varieties. So, so we were looking at sour rot and botrytis in the, in the cluster analysis of this portion of the , project. [00:06:18] Yeah, we have some locations can struggle with grape erinium mite. That's becoming more and more prevalent here. Wasn't an issue four years ago. Not, not really up in, up in northern Michigan anyway. So that's becoming more and more of an issue. And then we always struggle with rose chafers. It's a, it's a grub that, you know, comes out for six weeks and really terrorizes the vines. [00:06:49] And for that, for that pest, we really walk the line of the economic damage threshold, right? So, so a little, you know, we're going to see rose chafers every year. Some years are better than others. And what is our acceptable damage, you know? And so, once we see the rose chafers really getting dense in number, and also, you know, munching on a few leaves is one thing, munching on the clusters and the shoot tips is another thing. [00:07:21] Craig Macmillan: That's what I was going to ask. Yeah, I'm unfamiliar with this this pest. It, skeletonizes leaves, but it also will attack flower clusters and, and grape clusters in the early stages of development. Is that right? [00:07:34] Andrew Fles: Pretty much all green tissue. Yeah, a bunch of shoot, shoot tips leaves are probably, you know, their preferred source, I think, but anything tender. And so if, if the timing is just right where the, the inflorescences are, are you know, just coming out when the, when the beetles hatch, then they can really go for those cluster tips and, and shoot tips. [00:07:59] While we're scouting for this pest, we not only do the, you know, the density numbers and annotate that, but we look at, you know, how many are actually eating leaves versus shoot tips and clusters. [00:08:13] Craig Macmillan: Interesting, interesting. What is the design of your project and what varieties are we talking about? And what kind of variables are you measuring and how are you measuring them? [00:08:25] Andrew Fles: this is a farmer grant as opposed to a research grant. , it's tailored to folks that want to do on, on farm trials. And we want to do. Something in a significant enough volume, you know, that, that some that it would apply, it would be more applicable in the real world. [00:08:45] So for example you know, at a university they might do this randomized plots, you know, and they're using a backpack sprayer because they're, they're applying you know, three vines here, three vines there, scattered all throughout the block. And we wanted to use the sprayer that we actually use. [00:09:04] Um, and we wanted to do a bigger sections. And so what we did was we broke it up into two acre sections and we did two acres of both the traditional, the conventional program that we normally would do here and the soft treatment. So we did two acres of each in pinot noir, two acres of each in a, in a French American hybrid called ol, and then two acres of Riesling. [00:09:33] And we wanted to look at powdery, downy, botrytis, and sour rot. [00:09:38] In certain years, we can have quite a lot of botrytis and sour rot pressure in those three varieties. Because Pinot Noir of course is tight clustered. Vignole is even tighter clustered despite having that French American disease resistance package. It, it doesn't possess that for Botrytis or Sour Rot. [00:09:58] and then of course Riesling is a, is a very, it's probably the number one variety in Michigan. And as we all know, it's susceptible to Botrytis. [00:10:08] Craig Macmillan: Yeah. Big time. [00:10:10] Nice design. Great varieties to choose. I think that was really, really smart. How are you going to quantify these different variables? How are you going to measure the damage? [00:10:18] Andrew Fles: So for Powdery and Downey we just kind of did a scouting assessment. You know, how, prevalent is the infection based on how many leaves per, per per scouting event? I think off the top of my head, it was like 25 leaves. Per block that's more, I guess, anecdotal which we, and we did see that in the Pinot Noir, it was pretty clear cut that we struggled to control Downy in the soft treatment more so than in the conventional treatment. [00:10:50] It was, it was pretty clear there. And then as far as the Botrytis and Sour Rot, so that's really where the MSU team came in with the, the Rufus Isaacs lab and Dr. Rufus Isaacs and his master's PhD candidate. They did a lot of work there and, and then also the Tim Miles lab , so basically what they did is they took 25 clusters of each treatment and they did an assessment , for of course, how many berries were infected by, by botrytis and sour rot. [00:11:25] And then they also took those clusters and they hatched them out to see how many Drosophila species were there. [00:11:33] Craig Macmillan: Oh, okay. Yeah, good. That's interesting. [00:11:36] Andrew Fles: Wing drosophila here in Michigan and so really it was just the two species of traditional vinegar fly, drosophila, and then spotted wing. They did, you know, the, the statistics on that. [00:11:50] Craig Macmillan: interesting. And this is, this is a multi year project, right? [00:11:54] Andrew Fles: This was just one year. [00:11:56] Craig Macmillan: Just one year, okay. [00:11:58] And when will you have final results? [00:12:01] Andrew Fles: I have some of those already. We're going to do like a more formal presentation at a spring meeting here, a grower meeting, that's kind of co sponsored between MSU Extension and a local non profit that promotes grape and wine production in the area. So yeah, we're going to make a presentation in April on on the results and, and kind of, we're just continuing to, coalesce and, you know, tie my spray program with wedding events and then the results that they got as well. [00:12:37] Craig Macmillan: What other kinds of outreach are you doing? You're doing the meeting and you're doing other things? [00:12:41] Andrew Fles: I haven't discussed this with with Rika Bhandari as the PhD student. I suspect that she would use this in some of her publishing, you know, whether it gets published, I don't know, it's part of her Her main focus is sour rot, so this will be included in some of her presentations. [00:13:03] But I don't know that for a fact. [00:13:06] Craig Macmillan: That's exciting to get some information that's local. It's locally based and get it out to the local community as well as the broader community. I think that's really important if you don't mind I would like to get into some of the nuts and bolts of these two programs because I found that to be very interesting And then as we go talk about How that panned out for the different pests and diseases that you saw in these trials Let's talk about the soft program first You've got a dormant oil app in May and I assume you mean that there would be like JMS stylet oil or something like that [00:13:41] Andrew Fles: I think it was called bio cover. [00:13:43] Craig Macmillan: Bio cover and that's a pretty standard practice in your area I would guess [00:13:48] Andrew Fles: It is, yeah. [00:13:49] Craig Macmillan: and then the following month in June You, uh, have copper in the mix. In both the traditional and in the soft chemistry. I'm guessing that's also a common practice in your area. Probably for downy and for powdery. [00:14:06] Andrew Fles: Yeah, the copper is is something that we've been leaning towards and getting away from some of the synthetics. Which stick better to plant surfaces, we've been migrating that way anyway, these last numerous years now and so, yeah, , there are some similarities between the two programs at times it's really those key times of pre bloom and post bloom and variation that that we've traditionally. [00:14:34] Really locked in on some of the synthetic chemistries here [00:14:37] Craig Macmillan: And then also in June you have a Serenade Opti, which would be a Subtilis based material. And I believe that's also in your conventional in July. That's pretty standard practice, and that's an OMRI certified product, I believe. [00:14:52] Andrew Fles: Yes, yeah. [00:14:53] Craig Macmillan: There's some overlap there. It looks like the Rose Chaffer comes out around this time. [00:14:59] Andrew Fles: Yeah, probably it's not in front of me, but probably mid june [00:15:04] Craig Macmillan: Yeah, that's what you have here. In the traditional you've got a, a neonic, a sale. And then in the program, there's kind of a question mark here. What did you end up using in the, in the soft program for a roast chaffer? [00:15:19] Andrew Fles: Let me find it here [00:15:21] So we used neemix 4. 5 [00:15:26] Craig Macmillan: Nemix. I'm not familiar with that. Is that a Nemo based product? [00:15:28] Andrew Fles: Yeah, it's a neem oil [00:15:30] Craig Macmillan: And then in the traditional you have a neonic, a sail. Did you see a difference in Rose Chapter damage between the two? Because this is a pretty big difference here. [00:15:39] Andrew Fles: a pretty big difference in terms of [00:15:42] Craig Macmillan: Well, the modes of action obviously are very different. [00:15:45] Andrew Fles: Oh, sure, sure. Yeah, we had a little higher a little higher prevalence of rose chafers in mostly in the Pinot Noir treatments. Not so much in the Riesling, and I think that's largely because of black location. Traditionally the Pinot Noir block is our worst, one of our worst blocks in terms of rose chaffer rose chaffers are these beetles. [00:16:09] Of course, they're very similar to Japanese beetles for those listeners that, that may know that, but they really thrive in sandy soil, which is what we specialize here in northern Michigan, sandy based soil, right? [00:16:22] , and especially in un mowed fields. Right? We've really been trying to manage , our headland spaces like a prairie even more so upon joining SIP and, and learning more about making a comprehensive farm plan of, Of all of the land, right? And so we've really managed our, headlands and open fields like prairies which means minimal mowing, [00:16:47] like once a year is what we, we just mow to keep the autumn olive out. And and so we're trying to promote, you know, bird life and, and. All forms of life in these fields, which includes and sometimes an increase in rose chafers. [00:17:03] However, this 2024 was, was a. Fairly low pressure year. [00:17:09] And so I was very comfortable with, with sticking with this the soft insecticide. And we didn't feel like, you know, even though we saw this, this increase in pressure in the soft treatment, it wasn't surpassing the economic damage threshold that we are really keen. [00:17:27] And right. IPM [00:17:29] Craig Macmillan: So, true IPM. [00:17:31] Andrew Fles: IPM is very important, here, you know, where we have all these insects and it rains a lot and, you know, you got to really. Be ready to to, to scout and then react. [00:17:41] Craig Macmillan: Exactly. Yeah. And knowing what your economic injury limit is, I think it's huge. And your action threshold based on that. Tell me a little bit about the Spinosad based products. You have a couple in the soft that I assume are meant to be insecticides. [00:17:55] Andrew Fles: Yeah. The delegate. Yup. [00:17:56] Craig Macmillan: Yeah, Delegator and Trust. [00:17:59] Andrew Fles: I'll talk a little bit about intrepid as well. That's probably a foreign thing for any, any West coast listener, but that's intrepid is a it's a molting regulator and it's essentially for, in this case, for grapes, it's for grape berry moth. And this is an insect that is very difficult to do IPM on because there's a, there's kind of a morph that lives in northern Michigan that doesn't Go for the traps and so you can put traps out and it you just have no idea what's going on Because they just don't really care for the pheromones so they're really almost impossible to trap and I've talked numerous time with dr Rufus Isaacs about this and how do we you know get a handle on populations and you know They just can't get their traps to work up here. [00:18:50] We target with the intrepid, it's a, again, it's a molting regulator, so it just prevents them from developing, and it's very specific it's not a broad spectrum, so that goes on as a preventative where we have blocks near the woods, [00:19:05] because we see great berry moth coming in from wild, wild vines [00:19:10] that may or may not be in the woods, but we Where we see larva hatching is, is just kind of a perimeter. [00:19:16] So what we'll actually do is a perimeter spray. We don't even spray the whole block. We'll spray the outside row or two or three of each end. And then we just kind of blast it in. Along the, the other, you know, along the posts, the end posts. And that seems to work fairly well. [00:19:34] Craig Macmillan: Huh. [00:19:35] Andrew Fles: And then, as far as Delegate goes and Entrust those are Spinoza based products like you mentioned. [00:19:42] Those are primarily, you'll see that we put them on, well, I don't know if you can see timing, but we put them on. in September. Yeah, at the end of the season. September. [00:19:53] Yeah. Yeah. So, so those go on right around or right before even version and that is for drosophila [00:20:01] I think there's been some research recently from Cornell and then also Brock University in Canada. And I know also that Tim and Rufus have been doing trials here in Michigan as well. between the three of us out here in the, in the Northeast we're very focused on sour rot. [00:20:19] And so Michigan State along with these other folks have done these trials where they found that including an insecticide at veraison or, and then also at about 15 bricks significantly reduces sour rot infections. And that's because you're going after one of the vectors. [00:20:39] Craig Macmillan: Interesting. There's another material that I wasn't familiar with. I did a little bit of research on it. That's a product called Jet Ag, which is a hydrogen peroxide, a peracetic acid material. You have that in both the soft chemistry and your quote unquote conventional section. Is that a material you've used for a long time? [00:20:57] Andrew Fles: Yeah, we, I forget when exactly it started coming around I think probably 2015, 16 is when it was maybe released or made its way to northern Michigan and kind of coincided with with some sour rot. Issues that we have had off and on over the years with Pinot Noir or Vignole. And it's a, you know, it's a strong hydrogen peroxide. [00:21:23] It's a heavy oxidizer. It goes in and it, it, it cleans everything up. You know, it disinfects. And there's, there's some thinking as well that it, it'll kill the yeast. And some of those yeasts, the aroma is very attractive to spotted wing drosophila and regular drosophila. And so if you're, if you're kind of this is probably something that, that people, you know, that rely on native ferments might not want to hear, but you know, it really, it really disinfects the fruit which, which is key for You know, controlling sour rot. [00:21:59] And so we've used that over the years as both a preventative and a curative treatment. [00:22:05] Craig Macmillan: Right. [00:22:06] Andrew Fles: I didn't actually end up using it this year because It essentially stopped raining it was almost west coast ian here in the fall. It stopped raining in August and it didn't rain again. [00:22:19] You know, I mean, aside from like just a, you know, very, very light mist that wouldn't even penetrate the soil deeper than a centimeter. You know, so we didn't get any appreciable rain. From, I think it was maybe August 5 or 10, all the way till November 31st, or sorry, October 31st. [00:22:39] Craig Macmillan: Actually, that raises a good question. So, what is the summer precipitation like, quote unquote, in a normal year or an average year? [00:22:48] Andrew Fles: Yeah, we've been having, [00:22:49] Craig Macmillan: is it? [00:22:52] Andrew Fles: it's so variable is the, you know, we keep coming back to that. Every season is different here and it's so true even in Northern Michigan we have seen climate change affecting our summer rainfalls. So, whereas, you know, traditionally, and I say traditionally as maybe like the 80s and 90s maybe even early 2000s, you would expect to see, you know, a good four to eight inches a month. [00:23:20] you know, less, less so in, you know, in July and August is walking that more like four inch. Four inches of precipitation and you can get that sometimes in two different days [00:23:33] Craig Macmillan: Wow. [00:23:34] Andrew Fles: And that could be all or it could be spread out, you know over over several 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 different events. we had a dry June a couple years ago, I think we, I think it rained two days and amount to much. [00:23:50] And 2023, all of May we had, it rained one day. It was very dry. And so it's really been a roller coaster here in terms of what to expect as far as precipitation comes, I mean during the growing season anyway. [00:24:08] Craig Macmillan: Mm hmm. [00:24:09] Andrew Fles: It's been a challenge to know, you kind of have to have all these tools ready, right? [00:24:13] You have to have your jet ag ready. [00:24:15] If you get a bunch of infections going you got to have some of these other products ready and just , be ready for anything essentially. [00:24:24] Craig Macmillan: That, I'm just kind of reeling, I'm from California, and so like four to eight inches of rain during the growing season, it sounds like a fungal disease disaster to me. I'm impressed that you can get a crop, a vinifera crop to, to harvest with those kind of conditions. [00:24:39] Let's talk about the sustainable conventional program a little bit. Again copper appears early which would make sense. Then the insecticide portion would be a sale. It's a neonicotinoid, and then you've got a couple of fungicides in here. [00:24:55] You've got sulfur, and you've got a boscalid. Then in July again you've got a subtilis, that's serenadopty, and the, the intrepid, the IGR. August, you've got another neonic rally, and then you've got a product called ranman, or ranman. Which is a Sazofenamide, again, traditional fungicide. And then Inspire Supert, verasion, very common. And then you've got the the JetAg and Delegate, which is an antispinosid based product. When I look at this, I see a lot of very safe, very smart, very rotated fungicide chemistries here. Was this the kind of program you were using previously? [00:25:34] Andrew Fles: Yeah. And you know, it always can change a little bit. Sometimes you can't get a certain product or you can't get it in time. [00:25:42] Uh, whereas, you know, you, you're planning to use X product for your, for your kind of like You know, your, your pea sized berry spray, let's say but you, all of a sudden you have a bunch of rainfall, you know, and, and so if I was planning to use Quintech, which only covers powdery all of a sudden I have this big wedding event that was just perfect for growing downy mildew I I might switch from Quintech to and vice versa, you know, if we're, if we're into some weather, that's really favorable, it's time to push more of those serenades and you know, we've used some of the other biologicals over the years as well and, and just trying, trying to go that way as much as possible, but, you know, sometimes the weather forces your hand, like, like it did this year, you'll see in my, In my program we went into some Randman and some [00:26:35] Zampro, and those are those are very specific to to downy mildew. [00:26:41] You know, but we're still, with those products, you know, they're more expensive than something like Kaptan, you know. We Can't spray that with sip and we didn't spray it before because we don't want it on our fingers [00:26:56] The vineyard you and I don't want it in our lives So so we're always trying to go the ran man route, even though it's a little pricier, but it's very Target specific for Downey and so, you know with all the rains that we had in June and July and early July we felt like the smart play and we did start seeing some downy mildew cropping up much earlier than normal. [00:27:21] If, if we see it at all, that is. in that, at that point you want to make the call, you know, Hey, I want to get out in front of this thing. I don't want downy on my fruit. You know, if you start seeing it on growing tips, I think it was the 4th of July or the 2nd of July or something we were scouting and we were getting a lot of rain at that point and it was very humid and it was just like rain every other day for about a week there and it's like you gotta pivot and, and make the move to something that's really going to provide. control there. [00:27:52] For the soft program at that point, we were trying to use, I believe we use serenade, you know, which is more broad spectrum as far as biologicals go. We knew we wanted to keep it going after the, , the Downey with the soft chemistry. And that's why we got into the orange oil as well. [00:28:10] Craig Macmillan: Oh, interesting. [00:28:11] Andrew Fles: to, Yeah, that's, that wasn't in the proposal that I sent you, but we did pivot. I couldn't get. The cinerate it was, I was told it was on the West coast, growers were hoarding it and none of it, none of it made it over this way. I was really hoping to get my hands on some of it. [00:28:28] I've already pre ordered my 2025 cinerate. [00:28:32] Craig Macmillan: And Cinerate is a cinnamon oil based product, right? [00:28:36] Andrew Fles: Correct. Yeah. Cinnamon oil. oil. Yeah, it's another oil. [00:28:39] Yeah. Yeah. It's another one of those kind of antimicrobial oils, if you will. Um, So we pivoted to, to orange oil and thyme oil. TimeGuard has been, is a product that's been out for a number of years now. We've used it before, , we haven't really relied on it as much in the past. As, as we did with this soft treatment. [00:28:59] Craig Macmillan: Tell me a little bit more about what the outcomes have been at this point. We talked about the the pinot noir a little bit. We talked about the Rose Shafter showing up there a little bit more. At, at the end of the day, the end of the season. How did you feel about it? How did you feel about comparing the two [00:29:15] Andrew Fles: you know, it felt, it felt really good. It seemed like the soft program kept pace with the conventional for the most part. In the Pinot Noir, we had we had some more rose chaffer damage, of course, but without doing a, a full on research trial, it's hard to say that it was the treatment alone because of, as I mentioned, the location was a big factor. [00:29:38] With the downy mildew, it seemed to be a little more prevalent, certainly in the Pinot Noir on the, on the soft program that is but it never got to the point and I was, I was always ready to go in with whatever I needed to, because we don't want to have a defoliation and not being able to ripen fruit, you know, the fruit and, and especially in such a great growing year. [00:30:01] we never really resorted to. You know, breaking the glass and, and grabbing the ax and running out there and like, and it was emergency, you know, we never, we never had to do that. There was a moment there in July where, you know, where would the downy pressure we thought maybe. [00:30:19] Maybe we would have to abandon it, but then things dried up and we kept after things with with some of these, these things like thyme oil and orange oil. Getting good coverage with them is so important. But getting those on at the right time really seemed to provide enough control. [00:30:37] Craig Macmillan: Actually that's a, that's an excellent point. Let's talk about the phenology a little bit. How, for the varieties that you're growing, how big are these canopies getting? What's the spacing that they're planted on? How many gallons per acre are you using in your spray applications to get good coverage? [00:30:54] Andrew Fles: Yeah, so for the purpose of the project I stuck with 50 gallons an acre throughout the season. Which even, even for the conventional portion, traditionally I'll, I'll start with 30 gallons an acre aside from the dormant spray, of course, but like, you know, early season sprays until the canopy becomes a little denser, , I'll be at 30 gallons an acre and then probably mid July post bloom, right around bloom, perhaps , we'll ramp up the conventional to 50 gallons as well. [00:31:26] For the purposes of this, we just did 50 gallons across the board, both treatments. a lot of the canopy is well, it's really all VSP except for the vignole. Vignole is high wire cordone. And then we're talking nine by five spacing. The vinifera as well, which is pretty common around here. Double geo some spur pruning. We've really developed a kind of a hybrid system where we do a little bit of, we kind of mix cane and spur , , and alternate those in, in some of our venefera programs. [00:31:57] Craig Macmillan: And in, on the same plant? [00:31:59] Andrew Fles: Yeah. Sometimes. [00:32:01] Yeah. [00:32:01] Craig Macmillan: one side, gator the other. [00:32:03] Andrew Fles: What that does for us you know, where we get. Or we can at least, you know, and we can, sometimes we can lose a whole cane , or a lot of buds. I don't want to get too in the weeds on, on what that system is, but, but it's really developed around being able to quickly replace and adapt to cold damage. [00:32:24] And so if we need to go in and cut a trunk out, we've already got a cane growing from down low, if that makes any sense. [00:32:31] Craig Macmillan: No, that does make sense. And it's a practice that I'm familiar with from other areas in the Midwest, the North, the Northeast. Very, very smart. But that's a very different canopy architecture than you might find someplace that's all VSP. Or, you know, a double canopy situation maybe like in New York. [00:32:48] How comfortable are you now? After going through this, it sounds like you liked the softer program, you feel you got good control on most things. But if I'm understanding you correctly, you're not afraid to keep some other, other tools in the toolbox, basically. [00:33:05] Andrew Fles: Right. Yeah. And I think a big purpose of this program was to investigate some of these products. I want to highlight Problad Verde as well. [00:33:14] That's. Another one that's been out there and we've used it before as well. You know, I did a trial with Tim Miles's lab on and Rufus doing a sour rot trial in Pinot Noir in the past with pro, and it was just kind of a end of the season application of Problad with I believe we use delegate or in trust. [00:33:34] I can't remember. One of them and, this project, the SARE project was really looking at problad as being more of the backbone , of it. And, and so we ended up using that for the soft treatment pre bloom, post bloom. And then again, at version, because it has similar to jet egg, it's kind of a disinfectant, right? [00:33:57] It's this lupine seed extract that, that is a. That is a disinfectant and so it's going to go in, but because it, it's advertised anyway as having some systemic activity, [00:34:09] Craig Macmillan: Mm [00:34:10] Andrew Fles: systemic properties, that's, that's key for us in the east here. Because, hey, if we get a half inch of rain, well, it's still kind of in the leaf or it's still in some of that green flower tissue. [00:34:24] Before it opens up and blooms and so, really working problad in as instead of a kind of just end of the season toy it's really became, became the backbone of the tritus control for us in this, in this trial. And then again, looking at some of these oils, I think there's a lot of promise for. the orange oil in particular, I've, I've been seeing more and more research coming out about how you know, it does work on Downy and we did see that you know, even though we had an increase in Downy infection man, it could have been a lot worse. It was still at an acceptable level. [00:35:02] And so I think, I think I'm going to feel more and more comfortable using those products. [00:35:07] Craig Macmillan: You've demonstrated to yourself. And that's what the, that's how it works, and that's what everybody needs, to have some confidence. Which I think is really great, I was very impressed by the idea of trying things that maybe are not widely used, were not widely tested outside of maybe the West Coast, and to be able to show efficacy on your property, I think is really important. [00:35:27] I think it's one thing many of us have learned about softer materials. They may or may not work depending on what your pressure is. And that can vary region to region, but it can also vary within a region. It definitely can vary year to year, so having that flexibility that you've built into this program is very admirable. What would you say are the big picture benefits of the soft pesticide program at this point? [00:35:48] Andrew Fles: Hopefully just to increase awareness of, of how they can be effective for folks here in Michigan or, or similar climates, New York and Canada, I should say I don't think , this SARE project alone is, is going to be any sort of groundbreaking news, but I think it's just another verification and if we start to have more and more of them people will believe more and more in these products because it's just, it's at that point, it's word of mouth, right? [00:36:21] It's more and more growers are starting to back it. And, or experiment with it at least and, and see results, I think a lot of growers are very word of mouth oriented anyway. [00:36:34] So, uh, so it's very important, like, Oh, Hey, what did you try last year? And I think there's plenty of that going on in our area. [00:36:42] A bunch of us anyway, we seem to network pretty well and, and trust each other. , Oh, I use this at this key time and it really proved effective. So I think just bringing more and more awareness to these soft programs or these soft products, I should say. , and I can't really speak to the sustainability of. Farming lupin seed for for a fungicide product, you know, I can't, speak to that, but I want to believe that it's, it's a more sustainable product than, you know something that was made in a factory and, and might have petrochemicals in it. [00:37:19] Craig Macmillan: Well, it might have resistance issues as well, I think is one of the key things. And by the way, both programs I thought were very intelligent. I think like in terms of the frack rotations in the sustainable one, I thought that was really well done. Is, is there one thing that you would tell growers? [00:37:35] What's the one takeaway you would tell people from this project? You just kind of touched on one, but is there a message here for people? [00:37:43] Andrew Fles: I think the message is, you know, that we have to be really careful in crafting our. Spray program to the season that we have. If we were getting A lot more rain in September than what we ended up having I mean, we were, we were in pretty severe drought here. I think the soft program could still work. [00:38:03] But you have to choose the product and probably apply it much more frequently. You know, you have to go in and respond to those rains. , or even maybe perhaps be ready to pivot to something that is synthetic and systemic and curative. You know, maybe you have to go in with a hammer, but that doesn't mean that, you know, the majority of this growing season can't be done in a very soft way. [00:38:30] And so we're really just responding to that weather. But I think if this is our focus , to use these softer chemistries on things that we're going to drink or eat, even if it's vegetables, I think that these products are becoming better and better and there's becoming more and more of them, which is really encouraging to see you know, 10 years ago, maybe we had serenade and And you know, a couple of other products, but now, now there's, they're really becoming prevalent. [00:38:58] And so I think the take home is, is crafting that spray program with these new found tools that we have. Problads, , your crop, , your what, what should I call them? Like your aromatic oils, lack of better term, like orange oil, thyme oil, cinnamon oil. You know, I think these things do have a place. [00:39:17] Craig Macmillan: Where can people find out more about you? [00:39:19] Andrew Fles: Well, they can visit ShadyLaneCellers. com and there's stuff in there about our farm and in what we do and where we are, who we are a little bit. And then also there will be, and I could get you this information if you're interested, so this spring meeting where we're going to present the results of this believe we'll have a Zoom link option. [00:39:43] Craig Macmillan: As a reference date, this is being recorded in February of 2025. And so spring meeting will be coming up in a few months from here. I'm not sure when this will air, but even anything is fantastic. So I really want to thank you for being on the episode. Our guest today was Andy Fless, he's Vineyard Manager at Shadyland Cellars and you've been a great guest. Hey, thanks for being on the podcast. [00:40:03] Andrew Fles: My pleasure, Craig. Thanks a lot for having me. [00:40:08] Beth Vukmanic: Thank you for listening. 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Muss man die Weinwelt wirklich neu erfinden? Definitiv nicht, wenn man Weinklassik so perfektionieren kann wie Daniel Kiowski. Eleganz, harmonische Proportionen, Ordnung, Tradition, strenge ästhetische Prinzipien und eine klar definierte Eloquenz definieren seinen Stil. Er lebt Wein mit einer intensiven Präzision, die an eine Kunstform grenzt. Jede Geste, jede Bewegung strahlt eine unaufdringliche Eleganz aus. Für ihn sind Weine wie Architektur – sie müssen beständig, fundiert und definiert sein. Mehr sogar ist Wein für ihn Kunst – voller Romantik und doch Klarheit, idealisierter Kreativität und unerschütterlicher Harmonie. Niemals subjektiv – folgt dieser dem ewigen Gesetz des Tiefsinns. Die Weine seiner Vergangenheit sind für ihn immer ein Lehrstück, und die Gegenwart eine Prüfung seiner Erfahrung. Er begegnet der Weinmoderne mit kühler Distanz, obgleich mit Offenheit. Trends verblassen, Prinzipien bleiben – das ist sein Credo. Sein Ideal ist nicht die Neuerfindung der Weinwelt, sondern die Verfeinerung. Als Klassizist trinkt keinen Wein, er zelebriert ihn. Sein Weinkeller gleicht einem Museum der Perfektion. Er bevorzugt große Namen – doch nicht aus Prestige, sondern aus Respekt. Seine Art, Wein zu trinken, ist eine Kunstform, keine Beschäftigung. Er trinkt nicht, er studiert die Textur und die Struktur. Er schätzt Tiefe, Komplexität, eine klassische Linie – Kitsch und Fruchtdefinitionen sind ihm zuwider. Sein Weingeschmack ist nicht elitär, sondern unverrückbar – Qualität ist keine Meinung. Er weiß: Ein wirklich großer Wein muss nicht laut sein – er hat Charakter, der für sich spricht. So wie er selbst. Daniel Kiowski Haus Klosterberg 54470 Bernkastel-Wehlen Telefon: 065 32 – 95 40 00 E-Mail: daniel@kiowski.de Mit herzlichen Grußworten von: Antonios „Toni“ Askitis Wegbegleiter und Freund Christian Bau Sternekoch und Freund ------------------------------------- Diese Folge von SOMMELIER – Die interessantesten Mundschenke unserer Zeit wird begleitet von durch Silvio Nitzsche ausgewählte Weine aus dem Programm der Schlumberger Gruppe, zu der die Handelshäuser Schlumberger, Segnitz, Consigliovini und das Privatkundenportal Bremer Weinkolleg gehören. ------------------------------------- Während der Episode verkosten wir folgenden Wein: 2020 Amarone della Valpolicella Marne 180, Agricola Fratelli Tedeschi, Venetien, Italien Link für Geschäftskunden: https://is.gd/Nwo5hP Link für Privatkunden: https://is.gd/DS2tBZ _____ Sehr gerne empfehle ich die folgenden Weine: Royal Brut Rosé, Maison Ackerman, Loire, Frankreich Link für Geschäftskunden: https://is.gd/0zktI5 Link für Privatkunden: https://is.gd/4j2hDY _____ Cream of Coconut Coco Tara Dominikanische Republik Link für Geschäftskunden: https://is.gd/PURtyV Link für Privatkunden: https://is.gd/cPpHGi _____ 2022 Luce 30. Anniversary Edition Tenuta Luce Toskana Italien Link für Geschäftskunden: https://is.gd/BUTZAo Link für Privatkunden: https://is.gd/89mP8U ------------------------------------- Bitte folgen Sie uns auf Webpage: sommelier.website Instagram: sommelier.der.podcast Facebook: sommelier.der.podcast Wir freuen uns über jede Bewertung, Anregung und Empfehlung. Das Format: SOMMELIER – Die interessantesten Mundschenke unserer Zeit. wird produziert und verantwortet von der: Weinklang GmbH, Silvio Nitzsche, Bergahornweg 10, 01328 Dresden, silvio@sommelier.website

Ich hatte Pauline Adams beim Besuch auf dem elterlichen Weingut Kühner-Adams kennengelernt – auf Besichtigungstour zu tollen Vinotheken. Zwischen Begrüßungssecco und Abschiedsriesling sprachen wir miteinander und stellten fest: die Familie hat Freunde in Radebeul! Nun war sie (zusammen mit ihrem Verlobten Christian) wieder mal im Elbtal – und wir trafen uns spontan zum Podcasten. Mitgebracht (aus dem Keller der Freunde…) hatte Pauline einen trockenen Secco und eine feinherbe Auslese. Das eine vom Riesling, das andere vom Gelben Kleinberger – und genau darüber reden wir. Und über Dinge wie die Transformation eines kleinen Mosel-Weinguts für die nächste Generation sowie die gelungene Kombination von Altem und Neuem – nicht nur beim modernen Vinothek-Anbau am altn Schieferhaus, sondern auch im Weinberg, wo die historische Rebsorte genau so ihren Platz hat wie die Zukunftsrebsorte – und natürlich der Riesling in vielen Ausbau-Varianten.Mehr Infos & Bilder bei den STIPvisiten[00:00] Pauline Adams zu Gast. Wir hatten uns 2022 kennen gelernt – an der Mosel[11:30] Mehring an der Mittelmosel[15:06] hast du Winzerin gelernt?[17:35] im Glas: ein Riesling Secco[19:34] kleine Hommage an Ansgar Schmitz, Moselwein e.V.[26:54] wir kommen zu den besonderen Reben: Gelber Kleinberger[32:41] Rebsortenvielfalt[36:19] gibt es Lieblingsweine?

Follow your DESIRES in TURBULENT TIMES   These days are chaotic and can knock us off our rails so that we loose sight of that big goal  including our dreams and desires to reach for the stars..  The news is filled with toxic and depressing messages. But there are ways to cope, manage and forge ahead.   I learned of a very helpful book that Tina Huggins, a divorce coach specialist, refers us to that is just the tool to battle the negative, manage it so that you are back on track for your own success. You can apply this book STOP WALKING ON EGG SHELLS  to deal  with difficult and traumatic situations that TINA HUGGINS uses in her practice as a divorce coach specialist.  (WARNING  This is a powerful video and if you are a tender hearted soul scroll forward past the story of his dog.)  https://www.youtube.com/live/OkSyV396Oug?si=xIJuI-Z7SqjfBSBD   STOP WALKING ON EGGSHELLS  https://www.audiobooks.com/audiobook/487113/?refId=40886&refId=77121&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADzSbyJwLPNY84K2Hr6XdFosi6gKj Price Pritchett tells us: "You must let your desires guide you, instead of allowing yourself to be boxed in by perceived constraints...you must give yourself permission to DREAM, to RISK." you2   MEDITATIONS FOR TURBULENT TIMES: JIN SHIN JYUTSU: Jin Shin Jyutsu® is a gentle and nurturing healing art that helps restore balance and harmony by using light touch on specific energy points along the body. Rooted in ancient wisdom, it works with the natural flow of energy within us, supporting physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual wellness.  Website:  www.healthkeepersunited.com KUNDALINI YOGA  Fists of Anger https://youtu.be/ckO8aCA5HQw?feature=shared   FOOD and WINE NEW MEXICO FOCUS New Mexico has an interesting blend of of terroir and climate sensitive vineyards from desert vineyards to alpine high elevations. Many of you know GRUET, their famous sparkling wine.  The state's vineyards produce wines so different that you can find Italian, Spanish and French varietals.  Barbera, Tempranillo and Riesling all pair well with their spicy and culturally diverse cuisine. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/article/new-mexico-unexpected-wine-country   MORE RESOURCES Tina Huggins ONE HOUR FREE CONSULTATION  Visit her website http://divorcecoachspecialist.com/ Calm music https://youtu.be/vJb35uP1jsU?si=lvzo2f-MRpIQVCw_ SPECIALS FOR JIN SHIN JYUTSU  Boost Your Best Self-Friend Discount Offer www.healthkeepersunited.com/self-help-with-jin-shin Contact VALERIE producer creator  valerie@allinourminds.com www.allinourminds.com                       https://youtu.be/vJb35uP1jsU?si=lvzo2f-MRpIQVCw_  

Unsere Folgen sind nicht selten ungewöhnlich lang. Das hat seinen Grund: Wir möchten den Tiefsinn fließen lassen und Euch unsere Gesprächspartner so präsentieren, wie Ihr sie sonst nie – und vielleicht nie wieder – kennenlernen könnt. Und um Euch die Scheu zu nehmen, die man verspürt, wenn man einen über drei Stunden langen Zeitstempel sieht, aber auch, um Euch so richtig Lust auf den Kandidaten zu machen, präsentieren wir Euch immer einen Tag vor dem Release einen exklusiven Sneak in die neue Folge. Viel Spaß beim Hören, und wir freuen uns auf Euch mit einem herzlichen „Welcome back“ am Freitag. Das Format: SOMMELIER – Die interessantesten Weinkellner unserer Zeit wird produziert und verantwortet von der: Weinklang GmbH Silvio Nitzsche Bergahornweg 10 01328 Dresden silvio@sommelier.website und wird freundlichst unterstützt und begleitet von der Schlumberger-Gruppe mit den Handelshäusern: Schlumberger Segnitz Consigliovini sowie dem Privatkundenportal Bremer Weinkolleg

Evan Damiano, Marchelle Wines winemaker, is back on California Wine Country with Steve Jaxon and Dan Berger. His last time on CWC was this episode on May 31, 2024. Evan Damiano, Marchelle Wines winemaker, is back on California Wine Country with Steve Jaxon and Dan Berger. His last time on CWC was this episode on May 31, 2024. Evan started in January 2021 volunteering with Greg La Follette and has risen all the way to the rank of winemaker now. Greg is one of the most famous winemakers around. He has worked in all the most famous wineries in Sonoma County and he even worked with André Tchelistscheff when he was a teen. They have some of Dan's 2024 Riesling in their glasses, which Greg made. It's a barrel sample of the wine that Dan will be putting in bottles this week. In 2022 Greg asked Evan to go into the cellar and make selections for blends. He said, “Go in there and listen to what the wines want to be. Go be with the barrels. Smell, taste and put these wines together for me.” A small amount of another wine blended in can make a huge difference in a final result. Greg La Follette is known as “The Vine Whisperer” but he also has a degree in Botany. Dan gets his Riesling fruit from a vineyard in Mendocino County. There are a few people making Riesling around there, but nobody is making it as dry as this. This is Dan Berger's personal quest to produce the wine he wants to taste. It's got some tropical fruit, but also citrus lemon peel and a bit of herbal flavors. They also have some other wines from Marchelle. 2021 Manchester Ridge Chardonnay This is the Chardonnay that Greg brought to Evan while he was in Wisconsin taking a break. Greg tries to induce shatter into the vines, which tricks the vines into making smaller berries. The Manchester Ridge vineyard is 2200 feet above sea level, on a flat mountain top. Evan made his first harvest in Oregon in 2010 and if 16 hours per day for 21 days straight didn't put him off the joy of winemaking, he was hooked. He did another harvest at Balletto Vineyard, with Anthony Beckman. He took a break from it but came back to it. Dan appreciates that these wines are always authentic to the grape variety.

La vallée de la Moselle allemande est à la fois un bijou naturel et un très grand vignoble dont le terroir particulier permet de produire de magnifiques Rieslings connus dans le monde entier.Hébergé par Ausha. Visitez ausha.co/politique-de-confidentialite pour plus d'informations.

Robert from Hoquetas Wines ditches his rock-god tours to nerd out on Riesling and Rhône blends in Walla Walla. He's obsessed with minimal intervention—so no fancy lab tricks or color-boosting chemicals, and apparently not even a whiff of new oak is allowed to stain his precious juice. Heidi Moore, the gracious host who loves to remind us she butchers names, pokes into Robert's Catholic altar boy wine days (yep, underage church guzzling), his musician career, and how he's basically a one-man band in both the winery and the tasting room. They fangirl over Riesling's overlooked splendor, get all philosophical about wine being a living masterpiece, and dish out sweet pairings like fried chicken with bubbly.

Steve Jaxon and Dan Berger. Steve Jaxon talks about wine news with Dan Berger on California Wine Country today, since our expected guest was a last-minute scratch. Dan has brought a Tendu from Matthaisson in Napa Valley, made from Cortese grapes. It is a common wine in Piedmont, the province of north-western Italy, whose capital is Torino. American wine consumption is down in every category , except Sauvignon Blanc was the only one up in sales.  One reason is the influx of good Sauvignon Blanc wines from New Zealand. This caused the category to expand. There is the Sancerre, Pouilly-Fumé French styles, the California style and now the New Zealand style. From region to region the styles are all different. In the US, Sauvignon Blanc was up almost 4%, while everything else was down between 4 and 8 % in sales. Tasting rooms and wineries are closing. Discount pricing is rampant. Young people are drinking all kinds of other things, even hard seltzer or non-alcoholic products. Market Cycles in the Wine Industry Wine has been with us for thousands of years, so the industry has to wait for the cycle to turn, maybe a year or two. Sometimes wine news is old news. There was a downturn in 2009 and within 18 months the business was back. Dan says that the 2024 vintage is excellent. The 2024 white wines and Rosés are starting to show up in the stores now. Pedroncelli winery in Dry Creek Valley is a thriving winery. Montse Reese their winemaker has been on the show. Also Julie Pedroncelli was on this episode last January. They have owned their land for almost 100 years. Dan opens a Kerner which is Riesling crossed with Trollinger, a red grape. It is a white wine from the Alto-Adige region of north-eastern Italy. Wineries used to operate tasting rooms at a profit, but that has changed. A lot of wineries have closed that were all producing the same wines, Chardonnay and Cabernet. Julie Pedroncelli explained how a winery has to set itself apart somehow, which they have done. Michigan is producing great wine. Look for Chateau Grand Traverse, the old reliable.

Robert from Hoquetas Wines ditches his rock-god tours to nerd out on Riesling and Rhône blends in Walla Walla. He's obsessed with minimal intervention—so no fancy lab tricks or color-boosting chemicals, and apparently not even a whiff of new oak is allowed to stain his precious juice. Heidi Moore, the gracious host who loves to remind us she butchers names, pokes into Robert's Catholic altar boy wine days (yep, underage church guzzling), his musician career, and how he's basically a one-man band in both the winery and the tasting room. They fangirl over Riesling's overlooked splendor, get all philosophical about wine being a living masterpiece, and dish out sweet pairings like fried chicken with bubbly.

German Riesling with Erni Loosen. Exploring its evolution, the impact of global warming on grape ripening, and the unique terroir of the Mosel region. We discuss the versatility, the different styles and quality determinations, and the influence of microclimates on wine characteristics. The episode culminates in memorable wine experiences and reflections on the art of winemaking. Sponsors: RIEDEL Glassware: https://www.riedel.com/en-au Buy the wine, drink the wine where we get ours. Grays.com: https://www.grays.com/search/wine Socials TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@gotsommepodcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gotsomme YouTube: https://youtu.be/l0XJ0419eIo Podcast and YouTube created, produced and edited by www.sessioninprogress.com.au Key Takeaways Riesling can produce many styles of wine from the same vineyard. Global warming has positively impacted grape ripening in the Mosel region. The terroir, especially slate soil, significantly influences wine character. Old-fashioned winemaking techniques can yield exceptional wines. Quality determination in Riesling involves sugar ripeness and acidity levels. Different picking times can create vastly different wine profiles. Riesling is a favorite among winemakers for its versatility. High acidity in Riesling balances sweetness, making it unique. Memorable wines often have a personal connection to the winemaker. The Mosel region's microclimates contribute to the complexity of its wines. Chapters 00:00 The Evolution of Riesling and Global Warming 10:01 Understanding Riesling Styles and Quality Determination 20:01 The Influence of Terroir and Microclimates on Wine 25:47 The most memorable wine Erni Loosen has had!This podcast proudly presented by Grays.com: https://www.grays.com/search/wine-and-more?tab=itemsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hyatt Vineyards launched as a regional high benchmark for wine quality, since 1985 in the Yakima Valley as a top Merlot and Riesling producer. In 1990, the leading wine media of the Wine Spectator, Seattle Times, Tri-Cities Herald and Tri-Cities Wine Festival all listed Hyatt among the best producers. Growing to 30,000cs production, Hyatt continued as a top producer for 2 decades. Today, we farm the original 87 acres which produced those award-winning wines. The Legacy of Hyatt was crafted in excellence over 40 years ago by Leland and Lynda Hyatt. In 1983, what started as a simple vineyard planting, soon turned into a booming full production winery. We've honed our craft to cultivate the finest wines this region for four decades. Hyatt Vineyards' second generation is investing in remaking those top-quality wines from these old vines at the Estate with renewed labels and winemaking, bringing an innovative approach to create extraordinary experiences and legacy wines.  

    “Hey everyone, it's Paul Kay here from Wine Talks, and let me tell you… buying wine? It's more than just grabbing a bottle off the shelf. It's emotional! Just like our guest from this episode, Madeline Puckette, said—‘purchasing wine is an emotional experience.' And she's not wrong. So, how do we connect all those emotions to wine? Storytelling.”   “You know, I've been in this business for a long time, and let me tell you something—it's not just about the taste or the price. It's about the story behind it—the winemaker who poured their soul into it, the vineyard where the grapes grew, and yes, even the vintage itself.”   “And as Madeline put it, storytelling is like pulling at those heartstrings. It's the thing that makes you pick a certain bottle, not just because it's good, not just because it pairs well, but because it has a story you can't wait to share when you pour it.”   “Look, folks, wine isn't just a drink. It's an experience, an adventure waiting to happen! And here's the thing—these stories? They're what make this industry so amazing. It hasn't changed since the beginning of time. Why? Because at the end of the day, a bottle with a story, well… that's the bottle you're going to enjoy the most.”   “So the next time you're looking for a bottle, think about the story. Not just where it's from, but who made it, why they made it, and what makes it unique. That's what turns a good bottle of wine into a great memory.”     Episode Highlights: Wine as an Emotional Experience: Madeline shares her insights into how purchasing wine is deeply tied to emotions and storytelling. Discover how a bottle of wine can become a beautiful story to savor and enjoy. The Shift in Wine Education: Learn about the evolution of wine education from traditional channels to the digital age. Madeline discusses how Wine Folly started in 2011 and has grown into a trusted source of wine knowledge for enthusiasts of all ages. Generational Palate Evolution: We delve into the changing tastes and preferences across generations, exploring how Millennials and Gen Z approach wine differently. Unlock the secrets behind how palates evolve over time, much like Madeline's journey from her first coterone to a love for Riesling. The Role of Innovation in Wine: Madeline and Paul discuss the challenges and opportunities facing small wineries in today's market. From DTC models to tapping into unique stories, discover how creativity and storytelling pave the way for success. Wine Folly Plus: Get a sneak peek into the exciting world of Wine Folly Plus, a platform offering in-depth infographics and maps that take your wine learning to new heights. Whether you're a seasoned wine aficionado or just beginning your wine journey, this episode is packed with valuable insights and stories that will deepen your appreciation for the world of wine. Join us as we toast to the enduring allure of wine and the stories behind each bottle!

Für eine weitere Episode von Genuss im Bus treffe ich in Geisenheim Dr. Yvette Wohlfahrt, eine Wissenschaftlerin, die mit ihrem Partner Florian Franke gemeinsam das Weingut Wohlfahrt-Franke führt. Dieses kleine, ökozertifizierte Weingut bewirtschaftet etwa 1 Hektar Rebfläche und legt großen Wert auf naturnahe Weinproduktion. Ihre Weine tragen kuriose Namen und werden unfiltriert und mit nur minimalem Schwefeleinsatz abgefüllt. Neben ihrer Tätigkeit im Weingut ist Yvette als Wissenschaftlerin und Dozentin an der Hochschule Geisenheim tätig, während Florian Franke als Kellermeister und Außenbetriebsleiter bei Schloss Vaux arbeitet. Diese berufliche Vielfalt ermöglicht es den beiden, im Nebenerwerb mit großer Leidenschaft und Hingabe ihr eigenes Ding zu machen. Was mich an Yvette und Florian besonders fasziniert, ist ihre bewusste Entscheidung, ihren ganz eigenen Weg zu gehen. Sie haben sich bewusst dafür entschieden, ihre Freiheit zu bewahren und ihre Leidenschaft für Wein mit ihren Berufen zu verbinden – ohne sich dem Druck des Vollerwerbs auszusetzen. Dadurch haben sie die Möglichkeit gewonnen, ihren ganz eigenen Weg zu gehen – voller Selbstbestimmung und Leidenschaft. Ich denke, die Vita der beiden zeigt, dass es im Weinbau nicht nur den einen richtigen Weg gibt. Bei all dem wundert es nicht, dass sie sich selbst gern als „durchgeknalltes Önologenpärchen“ bezeichnen. Sie sagen: „Wir scheuen uns nicht, mit Traditionen zu brechen, nicht zuletzt, weil wir neugierig aufs Leben sind.“ Dafür sprechen selbstredend die Namen ihrer Weine: „Orange Utan“ für einen maischevergorenen Riesling, „Gewürz-Tapir“ für einen maischevergorenen Gewürztraminer und „Lippen Bärti“ für einen lange im Fass ausgebauten Spätburgunder. Im Rahmen ihrer Forschungsaktivitäten an der Hochschule Geisenheim beschäftigt sich Yvette unter anderem mit der Kupferreduzierung im ökologischen Weinbau. Denn einerseits ist Kupfer bei den Ökos nach wie vor das einzige wirksame und zugelassene Mittel gegen den Falschen Mehltau. Doch bekannt ist auch: Kupfer belastet Boden und Wasser – und so sucht die Branche schon lange und dringend nach Alternativen. Genau hier setzt das Vitivit-Projekt an, ein interdisziplinäres Forschungsprojekt, an dem auch Yvette beteiligt ist. Da geht es zum einen darum, die Wirkung des Kupfers zu maximieren, um dadurch die ausgebrachte Menge reduzieren zu können. Auch alternative Methoden werden erforscht: gezielte Entblätterung, Bodenabdeckungen, UV-C-Strahlung und neue Wirkstoffe. Also kein Wunder, dass ich ungemein happy bin, heute mit Yvette eine inspirierende Persönlichkeit an Bord zu haben. Ihre Geschichte zeigt, wie Wissenschaft, Weinhandwerk und Freiheit zu einer leidenschaftlichen Lebensphilosophie verschmelzen können. Perfekte Zutaten für ein spannendes Gespräch – und vielleicht auch für neue Denkanstöße. Ich bin gespannt, was ihr davon haltet.

Jonathan Ellsworth's preferences for red wines over white wines are well established. But in this conversation and wine tasting, we're going to see if Eli can change Jonathan's mind.This past weekend, Jonathan and Eli opened four bottles of white wines and hit the record button. We tried a few different white varietals and blends that Eli believes may appeal to those staunchly in the red-wine camp to see if we can get Jonathan more interested in what certain white wines have to offer.We've also included links to the four wines we tasted if you'd like to try any of these for yourself.RELATED LINKS:Check out the Blister Craft CollectiveBecome a BLISTER+ MemberThe Wines We're Tasting:Poet's Leap RieslingK Vintners ViognierKiki and Juan Orange WineDaniel-Etienne Defaix ChablisTOPICS & TIMES:The White Wine Experience (3:36)JE''s Bottle of White He Likes? (3:36)What Reds Does JE Like? (7:07)Sweet Wines (11:35)White Burgundy Flavor (13:01)Riesling (14:27)Scotch (17:57)Red vs White: the Simple Differences (21:30)Champagne (26:10)Aeration (38:52)Wine Anchoring Memories (44:32)Wine with or w/o Food (47:48)Orange Wine (51:34)Jonathan's Final Thoughts (1:13:09)Eli's Final Thoughts (1:20:10)SEE OUR OTHER PODCASTS:Blister CinematicBikes & Big IdeasGEAR:30Blister Podcast Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Think you know German wine? Think again. In this episode we're shattering just about every German wine myth with Jenna Fields, the passionate force behind the German Wine Collection. Jenna's mission to revolutionize how the world thinks about German wine began on a Post-It note (seriously), and in this episode, she breaks down why you'll find racy, bone-dry Rieslings in the world's finest collections and how the German-made versions of two of our most beloved varietals—Chardonnay and Pinot Noir—can rival the best of Burgundy. Plus, we'll clarify those confusing German labels and classifications, making it super easy to spot the best producers (without knowing a word of German), and even reveal the guilty-pleasure Super Bowl snack that pairs perfectly with Riesling!

Dineen Vineyards is located in the hills of the Lower Yakima Valley. We are a family owned and operated viticulture business with an acclaimed site for ultra-premium wine grapes and highly acclaimed Estate wines. Rocky, shallow soils and variable soil types define our terroir and the wines that we produce. We grow 13 varietals and craft an array of wines in limited quantities, with an emphasis on French varietals and wines of depth, complexity and concentration. Our wine selection includes Cabernet Sauvignon, a Bordeaux-style red blend, Cabernet Franc, Viognier, Riesling, Rosé as well as special releases each year. Our tasting room offers flight tasting, custom tasting experiences and light bites. Sip and enjoy a taste or glass of wine on our patio or expansive lawn overlooking the vineyard, valley and mountains. Wine is our passion, so come and visit us – we guarantee you a memorable experience.

Haily Sundet, our Froggy Wine Specialist, of Republic National Distributing is back with another episode of Wine Wednesday. Wine Wednesday is sponsored by Bottle Barn Liquors, with 3 Fargo locations. This week's wine: Trimbach Riesling Winemaker Notes: This is the very definition of the Alsace Riesling, well anchored in the dry and balanced Trimbach style. It shines with its elegant liveliness, crunchiness and notes of white flowers and citrus fruits leading to a minerally finish. It is the perfect accompaniment to seafood, marinated or grilled fish, salads, goat cheese, spring vegetables as well as all white meats. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

A real honor to visit this lovely winery and vineyard at the Finger Lakes where the brilliant Paul Hobbs and his team make remarkable wines from the Riesling grape. More here: https://www.hillickandhobbs.com. I would like to thank my friend Jorge Wolf from Webb Banks for assisting me in coordinating this visit. Get these wines in Puerto Rico through V. Suárez. Thanks for listening, commenting and following the podcast. Cheers!

Barbara Barrielle Barbara Barrielle, publicist, writer, actress and producer, joins Steve Jaxon and Dan Berger on California Wine Country. She writes about travel, wine, food and entertainment and she also works for Anderson Valley Winegrowers, promoting the International White Wine Festival. Her documentary film about Anderson Valley wines features Dan Berger. The Anderson Valley Winegrowers Association is putting on the International White Wine Festival. The festival used to be called the Alsatian Wine Festival because it focused on Alsatian aromatic whites that grow in Anderson Valley. The valley is also known for Pinot Noir now. The new name of the festival opens the door to other whites that are also growing in Anderson Valley. Dan Berger will be in charge of the Rieslings. There will also be Pinot Gris, Gewürtztraminer and lots of others.   As an example, Dan has brought a dry Riesling from Ra Ra Wines. Ra Ra wines is run by winemaker Kara Groom who was on this episode of CWC last year on Feb. 16. 2024. Cole Ranch grows the best Riesling in California The fruit comes from Cole Ranch, which grows the best Riesling in Mendocino County. They have a total of 81 acres and only four and a half of Riesling. Riesling and Cabernet Franc are selling well, but all the other California varieties are down. This is in the context of a huge downturn in overall wine sales. Anderson Valley also produces fine sparkling wines. The best known brands are Sharffenberger and Roderer. In about 1980 the Roderer company in Champagne, France, decided to look for property in the US. Their agent hired the Foppiano family to take him around to different properties. They found a ridge where the influence of marine air flow was arriving. They decided to plant a couple of acres of vines as a test, which went well. To this day, Roderer is making the best sparkling wines in the US. They compare well to Iron Horse, the best American maker. Lichen Estate also makes excellent product. There are small producers like Pennyroyal Farms and Navarro that also have sparkling wine production.

Hear about travel to the Eyre Peninsula of South Australia as the Amateur Traveler talks to James Schomburgk about his adventures in this out of the way destination. Why should you visit the Eyre Peninsula? James says, "Because of its remoteness, it's probably the lowest number of tourists in Australia. And yet it's listed as one of the biggest hidden gems in the world because of the scenery. The scenery is magical. If you're looking for classic Australian beaches, pure white sand, stunning water, fantastic cliff scenery, and some of the best surf beaches in the world. The wildlife is certainly what attracts intrepid travelers to go there because it has all the wildlife that people are looking for." James recommends a 7-night itinerary for visiting the Eyre Peninsula, which includes a mix of scenic drives, wildlife encounters, beach visits, and unique experiences. Below is the itinerary based on his recommendations: Day 1: Adelaide to Whyalla Clare Valley: Take a scenic detour through this famous wine region, known for its Rieslings and boutique wineries. Suggested stop: Pikes Wines for wine tasting and lunch. Wirrabara: Stonehut Bakery or Julia's Kitchen at the Old Bakery for snacks or pies. View the silo art in Wirrabara. Melrose: A picturesque town at the base of Mount Remarkable, perfect for a quick coffee or walk. Whyalla: Stay the night. Visit the Whyalla Jetty, a unique figure-eight-shaped jetty. Optional: View the giant cuttlefish if visiting in May-August.   ... https://amateurtraveler.com/travel-to-the-eyre-peninsula-of-south-australia/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

If you love Sauvignon Blanc, Riesling, Pinot Grigio, or Albariño, you're going to also love Müller-Thurgau because they all have something in common: they are all aromatic dry white wines! Now, if you don't know what aromatic white wines are, don't worry, we'll tell you all about them in this episode. We'll even teach you what terpenes are and why they matter when it comes to aromatic dry white wines. Even better, we'll tell you how to pronounce Müller-Thurgau, where the name came from (it's a bit of a Frankenstein's monster story), and why so much Müller-Thurgau is grown in Italy. After tasting this wine, it is now on our go-to list for white wines - definitely worth learning about and adding to your wine repertoire. Wines reviewed in this episode: 2021 Muri Gries Alto Adige Müller-Thurgau, 2021 Elena Walch Müller-ThurgauSend us a Text Message and we'll respond in our next episode!Contact The Wine Pair Podcast - we'd love to hear from you!Visit our website, leave a review, and reach out to us: https://thewinepairpodcast.com/Follow and DM us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thewinepairpodcast/Send us an email: joe@thewinepairpodcast.com

What the hell...where the hell...is the Great Southern?! That's what most people say. Which is why Peter got on a plane and braved fires, snakes and Vegemite to bring you this story of what is arguably Western Australia's best kept secret.Remote? Undoubtedly. Rural? Positively. Hugely exciting for the elegant, refined, often under-valued Riesling, Chardonnay, Cabernet, Shiraz...even Grenache and Mourvedre?! You betcha. So join us on this thrilling journey of discovery, where we paint a soundscape as well as a taste map, and meet wonderful wine personalities who talk us through weird and wonderful things from cuddles to Wonderbras, emperor penguins, the X-factor, shade cloth, resplendence and knitting. Interviewees include Tom Wisdom, Mike Garland (Plantagenet), Erin Larkin, Guy Lyons (Forest Hill), Patrick Corbett (Singlefile), Matt Swinney and Rob Mann (Swinney), Marelize Russouw (Alkoomi), Larry Cherubino and Sid the dog. Our thanks to the Western Australian government and industry for sponsoring this mini-series, whose final and concluding episode is on Margaret River.Thanks for tuning in. We love to hear from you so please do get in touch! Send us a voice message via Speakpipe. Or you can find contact info, together with all details from this episode including full wine recommendations, on our website: Show notes for Wine Blast S6 E10 - Don't Know Western Australia's Great Southern? You ShouldInstagram: @susieandpeter

In today's episode, Shelley and Phil honor the upcoming International Riesling and Syrah days, although, we may have jumped the gun on the Syrah day. Lucky we love Syrah! And we have another Snow Watch 2025 update! #HappyFriday! #ItsWineTime! #Cheersing #SmippingWines this episode:2022 Rocky Pond Chevalle Vineyard Riesling ($32 at the winery)2017 Eternal Wine Zen Syrah ($59 at the winery)A HUGE thanks to our sponsors: Pilgrim's Market and Elsom Cellars!Pilgrim's Market: Check out Pilgrim's Market for an expansive selection of fine wines with wine club prices EVERY day and weekly complimentary tastings and just up the street from CDA Gourmet! Visit pilgrimsmarket.com or call 208-676-9730!Elsom Cellars: Good times are meant to be shared and so are great grapes and great wines! Since 2006, Elsom Cellars has been producing brilliant Washington wines. For more information about Elsom Wines, please visit http://www.elsomcellars.com And of course, a HUGE thank you to Tod Hornby who wrote and recorded our official Wine Time Fridays theme music. Please visit https://todhornby.com to see what Tod is up to!The CDA Gourmet Wine Words of the Week - StructuredStructure is the overall "feel" of the wine in the mouth, including its weight, tannins (especially important for the Syrah), and acidity.CDA Gourmet: Are you looking to elevate your kitchen? You need to check out CDA Gourmet! Located in Midtown Coeur d'Alene, just down the street from Pilgrim's Market, CDA Gourmet offers a diverse mix of flavor enhancing product as well as the tools to make it all happen. Visit https://www.cdagourmet.com for more information or  call 208-551-2364. CDA Gourmet: Your kitchen elevateMentions: Nic Beach, Liz Keyser, Luke Marquis, Molly Dooker, J. Bookwalter, Rivaura, Terraza Waterfront Grill, Season's of Coeur d'Alene, Products used in this episode: The One Wine Glass, Boomerang Two-Step Corkscrew Wine Opener with Built-In Foil Cutter and Bottle OpenerSome Wines we enjoyed this week: Kestrel Vintners Super Yakima, Lady in White and Old Vine Chardonnay, Ferrari Carano Chardonnay, Drink Washington State Pinot Noir and Còté Mas Syrah-Grenache. Please find us on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/WineTimeFridays), Twitter (@VintageTweets), Instagram (@WineTimeFridays) on our YouTube Channel, https://www.youtube.com/@winetimefridays and on Threads, which is @winetimefridays. You can also “Follow” Phil on Vivino. His profile name is Phil Anderson and will probably “Follow” you back! Wine Time Fridays Rating System: Phenomenal 

Courtney DeGraff, Executive Director of Anderson Valley Winegrowers, is our guest on California Wine Country with Steve Jaxon and Dan Berger. They are putting on the International White Wine Festival, for the fifteenth year, on February 15 and 16 at the Mendocino County Fairgrounds. It used to be called the Alsatian White Wine Festival. The name change opens the festival to feature a wider variety of wines, such as Grüner Veltliner and Chardonnay. Dan Berger will be in charge of the Rieslings. The in-person Grand Tasting is at the Fairgrounds in Booneville, on Saturday. Early access from 11 to 12 and general access from 12 to 3. Go to this page at the AV Wines website for more info about the International White Wine Festival and for links to purchase tickets. Use the discount code RADIO for 20% off. Anderson Valley is growing in Chardonnay production. Most of the fruit used to go to sparkling wines but they are also producing some very nice still Chardonnays now. Scharffenberger Sparkling Wine Barry Herbst has brought a Scharffenberger sparkling wine, which he considers to be a great value. They make six or seven different kinds of sparkling wine. It is also a beautiful property to visit, in Philo. Dan calls it more persistent in its flavor profile, with more structure. It's $21.99 at Bottle Barn. The winemaker Jeffery Jindra came over from Husch Vineyards. Dan Berger reports that there are several Napa valley growers who are also buying property in Anderson Valley. It is a more relaxed setting. It's definitely worth a visit. There are also other attractions like beer and cheese making. Bottle Barn is in the process of putting out the San Francisco Chronicle Competition winners. They will have about a hundred different awarded wines. After that, the Press Democrat limited competition (north of the Golden Gate) takes place. Barry's other wines today are the Maggy Hawk Chardonnay, a Gewurtztraminer from Husch and a Goldeneye Brut Rosé. They are all pictured in the top illustration and are also all available at Bottle Barn.

C.H. Wente came to America in the late 1800s from Hamburg Germany, learned to make wine from a German by the name of Charles Krug in the Napa Valley, and in 1883 established his first 47-acre Estate and Winery. He chose the Livermore Valley as it was famed for its excellent soils and climate. In 1908, C.H. planted the first Chardonnay vines in the Livermore Valley.In 1912, second generation and a UC Davis student, Ernest Wente, persuaded his father and founder, C.H. Wente, to import Chardonnay cuttings from a well-known vine nursery, F. Richter Nursery n Montpellier, France, to the Livermore Valley.Ernest hand-picked vines that showed the best health and pronounced flavors, grafted the two together, and propagated those characteristics forward. Ultimately creating what is known as the ‘Wente Clone.'  Today, over 75% of all California Chardonnay stems from the Wente Clone and the Wente Family property. Wente produced sacramental wines throughout prohibition to keep the winery and vineyards in production. After the repeal of the National Prohibition Act (Volstead Act) in 1933, Ernest and his brother Herman Wente released the nation's first varietally-labeled Chardonnay, a 1936 vintage.Ernest and his son Karl L. Wente pioneered new vineyard plantings in 1964 in the Arroyo Seco region of Monterey County. Here they plant Pinot Noir, Riesling, and Chardonnay. In 1966, Wente Vineyards Tasting Room opens in Livermore Valley, and is one of the first tasting rooms in California. Throughout the late 1970s and till today, the fourth generation Winegrowers Eric, Philip, and Carolyn Wente head operations of the winery, continuing expanding vineyards, winery, and related visitor facilities. In 1986, The Restaurant at Wente Vineyards opened California's third winery restaurant. In addition, the Wente Vineyards annual series launched the Concerts, attracting top entertainers and thousands of guests annually. In 1998, The Course at Wente Vineyards, an 18-hole championship golf course designed by Greg Norman, was opened, enhancing the wine country lifestyle of the Livermore Valley. At the same time, Wente Vineyards has become one of California's most extensive wine exporters to over 75 countries. In 2010, Wente Vineyards received one of the first certifications for a California Certified Vineyard and Winery, and The Course at Wente Vineyards received Certified Audubon Cooperative Sanctuary statusToday, fifth generation winegrowers Karl, Christine, Jordan, Aly, and Niki Wente are actively working in various roles in the winery from operations, viticulture, and marketing. Their legacy is yet to be determined, but they are very passionate about continuing the family tradition of sustainable farming and producing the best-quality wines. 

Cobb Wines tasted today. Ross Cobb from Cobb Wines and Ziggy the Wine Gal from The Krush join Steve Jaxon on California Wine Country. Dan Berger is away this week.  Ross Cobb first met Ziggy when he was at Williams Selyem in 1998 or 99, while he was working with Bob Cabral there. Cobb Wines is a winery inspired by creative freedom. A quote from Patti Smith provides context. Robb was always motivated by music and he lets “…Patti Smith explain the rest.” Ross has also been working with Les Claypool's Pachyderm Wines They start by tasting the Cobb Wines Riesling, from a 14-15 acre vineyard at a high elevation. It is officially the smallest appellation in America. The soil is limestone, at 1200 feet. It is the last of the Sonoma Coast vineyards that he picks every year. The fermentation is long and slow. He just tasted his 2024 vintage, which began last Fall, so even that step comes late with this wine. It is balanced between fruit and alcohol. How about some sushi? Fresh oysters? Fresh Dungeness crab? Ziggy says it is a dry Riesling that should go with “dry January” whatever that is. Ross Cobb's 25th Vintage Ross grew up in Valley Ford and his dad worked at Bodega Marine Lab. They were friends with other families that made wine in the area. The family moved away and later he went to UC Santa Cruz to study Soil Science and Environmental Engineering. They have lived at Coastlands Vineyard since 1989. He worked for a lot of different wineries in northern California. In 2001 He started Cobb Wines and this year will be his 25th vintage. He only started making the dry Riesling in 2016. He also makes Chardonnay in the traditional way, not the big buttery style that Ziggy calls “Chateau Two by Four” with too much oak. Cobb Wines dot com is the website with all of the wines they have today, available for sale. They are also at Bottle Barn and many local restaurants. They aren't a tasting room but they can receive guests.

Hello! Part 2 of our Sci-Fi Series features one of the greatest ever: Ridley Scott's horror classic, Alien. Longtime listeners might be shocked we've never gotten around to this all-timer. No one was more shocked than we.As always, we break down the story for newcomers, and add some trivia you might not have heard. This week, we'll pair the Xenomorph with one of the most acidic white wines out there. Unlike the monster, however, this Riesling is delicious!

We continue our series on historic wineries with a little trip to Germany. In this episode, you will get to know the oldest winery in Germany, Schloss Johannisberg. Dating back to the Middle Ages, and thanks to monks planting grapes, they have been making wine for over 900 years.The winery survived rebellion, wars, and changes of ownership. Check out this pod to learn more. Grab a glass of Riesling and join us!--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Check out the Winery: https://schloss-johannisberg.de/en/Underground Cellar: https://schloss-johannisberg.de/app/uploads/201905-schloss-johannisberg-biblioteca-subteranea.jpgSupport the showCONNECT WITH US: You can follow and message us on Instagram @crushitwinesb You can also reach out via email - Cheers@crushitwineeducation.com If you want to help support the show and get extra content every week, sign up for our Patreon. Join the list to stay up to date on future episodes and featured wines so you can sip alongside us! Finally, we're more than just a podcast! We are a full service wine education company offering an online wine shop, a wine club membership and both virtual and in person classes. Go to www.crushitwineeducation.com to learn more and get 10% off your first order when you sign up for the mailing list! Cheers and thanks for listening!

300 episodes is quite a milestone, luckily we forgot to talk about that because we recorded this on January 6th and we had to be a little silly ok? That's what being a patriot is all about. This is the first episode of our new high concept season: Westdeutschland, aber Riesling ist verboten - "Western Gemany, but Riesling is forbidden," where we discuss German Wines without the crutch of riesling. Weirdly enough, this episode is all about riesling, but it's the kind of thing that makes sense if you listen to it enough and also if you join the patreon.   ////LIST////  Weiser Kunsteler, Mosel trocken, 'Trabener Gaispfad, ' 2022 //Weingut Seckinger, Pfalz, ‘KIESELBERG WURZELECHT' 2020////Support the show

This week, Naomi covers a tragic triple homicide that devastated two families and shook the whole community.Then Amber covers the Kim family's tragic holiday road trip.For this episode, Amber is drinking a Riesling from Airfield Estates in Yakima ValleyNaomi;s Sources:https://fox5sandiego.com/news/man-pleads-guilty-to-christmas-eve-triple-murder/https://www.oxygen.com/carlo-mercado-kills-california-family-on-christmas-evehttps://cslea.com/-man-pleads-guilty-to-2013-christmas-eve-triple-murder/https://www.nbclosangeles.com/triple-killings-belvedere-brothers-and-ilona-flinthttps://www.nbcsandiego.com/new-details-expected-in-christmas-eve-slayingshttps://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/carlo-mercado-prelim-hearinghttps://www.nbcsandiego.com/carlo-mercado-belvedere-flint-murders-evidence-in-docshttps://www.nbcbayarea.com/parking-lot-shooting-car-found-in-riversidehttps://fox5sandiego.com/news/body-in-car-connected-to-christmas-eve-murders-identified/https://patch.com/10k-reward-for-brother-missing Justice for Gianni Belvedere, Sal Belvedere, and Ilona Flint FB PageAmber's Sources:'20/20' Exclusive: Kati Kim on Her Family's Harrowing Ordeal - ABC NewsJames Kim - WikipediaTen years ago, Kim family endured wilderness tragedy | | nrtoday.comSupport the showGo check out our patreon page athttps://www.patreon.com/crimewineandchaosFor more information about Crime, Wine & Chaos, or to simply reach out and say "hi,"https://www.crimewineandchaos.comCrime, Wine & Chaos is produced by 8th Direction Records.Amber is the vocalist in the band, Tin Foil Top Hat. You can find more of her work on all of the music streaming platforms or athttps://www.tinfoiltophat.com

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Since the year 2000, wineries in the United States have grown from 2,000 to nearly 12,000. How can a brand stand out in the market? Dan McCole, Associate Professor in the Department of Community Sustainability at Michigan State University researches the impact of tourism on communities. He studied what makes brands that make the majority of their sales in the tasting room successful in new wine regions including Texas, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. Dan shares tips on how to sell new hybrid varieties, what messaging has the biggest impact on sales, and what customers are really coming to the tasting room for (it's not wine!). Resources:         222: How Sustainability Sells in a Tough Market | Marketing Tip Monday 246: 3 Ways to Make Your Tasting an Experience | Marketing Tip Monday Dan McCcole Exploring Winery Visitors in the Emerging Wine Regions of the North Central United States Market research reveals why consumers are drawn to wineries in Michigan Survey of Wineries and Non-winery Tourism Businesses in 25 Emerging Wine Regions The impact of different product messages on wine tourists' willingness to pay: A non-hypothetical experiment Understanding winery visitors  Vineyard Team Programs: Juan Nevarez Memorial Scholarship - Donate SIP Certified – Show your care for the people and planet   Sustainable Ag Expo – The premiere winegrowing event of the year Sustainable Winegrowing On-Demand (Western SARE) – Learn at your own pace Vineyard Team – Become a Member Get More Subscribe wherever you listen so you never miss an episode on the latest science and research with the Sustainable Winegrowing Podcast. Since 1994, Vineyard Team has been your resource for workshops and field demonstrations, research, and events dedicated to the stewardship of our natural resources. Learn more at www.vineyardteam.org.   Transcript [00:00:00] Beth Vukmanic: Since the year 2000, wineries in the United States have grown from 2000 to nearly 12, 000. How can a brand stand out in the market? Welcome to Sustainable Wine Growing with the Vineyard Team, where we bring you the latest in science and research for the wine industry. I'm Beth Vukmanic, Executive Director, Since 1994, Vineyard Team has brought you the latest science based practices, experts, growers, and wine industry tools through both infield and online education so that you can grow your business. [00:00:37] Please raise a glass with us as we cheers to 30 years. [00:00:41] In today's podcast, Craig Macmillan, Critical Resource Manager at Niner Wine Estates, with a longtime SIP certified vineyard and the first ever SIP certified winery, speaks with Dan McCole, Associate Professor in the Department of Community Sustainability at Michigan State University. [00:01:00] Dan researches the impact of tourism on communities. He studied what makes brands that make the majority of their sales in the tasting room successful in new wine regions, including Texas, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. [00:01:15] Dan shares tips on how to sell new hybrid varieties. What messaging has the biggest impact on sales and what customers are really coming to the tasting room for hint It's not wine [00:01:28] want to be more connected with the viticulture industry, but don't know where to start become a vineyard team member Get access to the latest science based practices experts growers and wine industry tools through both infield and online Education so that you can grow your business Visit vineyardteam. org and choose grower or business to join the community today. Now let's listen in. [00:01:52] Craig Macmillan: Our guest today is Dan McCole. He is an associate professor in the department of community sustainability at Michigan state university. And today we're going to talk about some lesser known smaller wine regions and the challenges of marketing hybrid wine grape varieties to customers and some successes. [00:02:08] So thanks for being on the podcast, Dan. [00:02:10] Dan McCole: I'm happy to be here, Craig. [00:02:12] Craig Macmillan: Before we, we get talking about wine in particular I'd like to kind of get oriented in your larger focus. You've done a lot of work in the world of natural resources and ag based tourism contributing to community sustainability. And I think that that's a really interesting topic just in general. [00:02:28] Can you tell me a little bit about your work just in the broad scheme and kind of what kinds of things you're interested in [00:02:33] Dan McCole: Yeah, sure. It's funny, I actually got into wine. I'm really a tourism scholar. And shortly after I arrived at Michigan State University, I was pulled into a project, that was looking at specifically at tourism. It was part of a larger project that looked at cold hardy wine varieties. So cold hardy hybrids. [00:02:55] And there was a team of viticulturalists and enologists and economists. And I was sort of brought in there, for the business portion of the team specifically looking at tourism, but that also some consumer behavior questions that we had on that as part of that project. My focus within tourism is the impact of tourism on communities specifically. [00:03:15] I'm not a hospitality guy. I look at the impact of tourism on communities. And so, you know, especially in areas like where I live in Michigan the industrial Midwest where, you know, the economy is shifting a bit. You have these places that sort of former manufacturing areas, former extraction areas for like lumber and coal and things like that. [00:03:36] They're looking to new industries and tourism is a big part of it. And so we look at all the impacts on those communities, both positive and negative. We look at economic impacts, sociocultural impacts and environmental impacts. [00:03:47] Craig Macmillan: it's exciting to see the growth in wine industries throughout the United States. I think that it's fascinating and it's only going to continue. In my opinion, I think we're going to see more of this, but again, then you're selling wines that are not commonly known. You're using the Frontenac one example. Marquette in particular was a variety that you had done some special work on. Tell me a little bit about what you did around that. [00:04:12] Dan McCole: Just to echo what you're saying. First of all, about the growth in, in the number of wineries is crazy. In the year 2000, I think the U S had 2000 wineries. Now we're up to almost 12,000. That's just crazy growth. So it's not only interesting, it's just fascinating. And. A lot of that growth has happened outside of the traditional wine areas in the West Coast. [00:04:30] It's happened, you know, in places like where I live in Michigan, but Pennsylvania, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Texas, you know, Virginia, everywhere. And that to me is quite interesting because a lot of these wineries are, they're pretty small. And they sell a lot of their wine out of the tasting room which makes it a tourism product really, because they have to drive visitors to their tasting room. [00:04:52] So that's, that's what got my interest. But in a lot of these areas, you can't necessarily grow the traditional wines that you can out in California, for instance, in the central valley or, you know, Napa, Sonoma. Here in Michigan, we do have some areas where you can go vernifera and mostly, you know, like German varietal, the Riesling is, is quite good here, you know, cool, cool temps, but they're really in small microclimates, but a lot of the areas I tend to work in, they rely on, you know, hybrid grapes, wine grapes. [00:05:22] And, you know, these have just developed over the last 20 years, a lot of them or, you know, some of them are a little bit older but some of them are quite new, including Marquette, which is probably, You know, 15, 16, 17 years old since it was developed at University of Minnesota. And that wine in particular is quite interesting because when you're talking about, especially up here in the North where I work and with a lot of the wineries I'm at, they can do okay with white wines, but red wine has always been a bit of a challenge. [00:05:48] And so Marquette comes along and it's pretty promising wine for making, you know, red wine. So everybody was pretty excited about it. We wanted to know a little bit more about what you tell consumers that will impact their interest in a wine. In academia, we talk about this concept called willingness to pay or valuation. [00:06:09] Essentially what we're talking about is, how much does a product mean to somebody? And that they're willing to buy and how much are they willing to buy it for? So we did these interesting studies with Marquette looking at what can you tell somebody about this grape? That will increase their valuation of it because when we were talking to wineries, you know We'd ask them like what do you tell them about Marquette? And they said, well, you know, we tell them this and that. And as we had these conversations with a number of wineries, we could pretty much break down what they told about this grape into three categories. [00:06:42] One was sort of these sensory descriptions, medium bodied wine, grandson of Pinot Noir and, with hints of, and flavors of such and such [00:06:54] another category of information that they were talking about was, the local message, you know, everybody's into locally produced, locally you know, grown local, local, local. They talked about how the Marquette grape was developed sort of locally specifically for these environments. It doesn't require as many agricultural inputs you know, to be able to grow here. It, Helps local wineries to produce these kind of wines, et cetera, very local, local, local message. [00:07:23] And then the third thing was they talked about how wines made with Marquette grapes had won competitions at international wine competitions. And so, you know, that was one of the things they told about them. And so we wanted to know, like of those messages, does anyone have. A little bit more bang [00:07:38] Craig Macmillan: Right, right. [00:07:39] Dan McCole: you know, that you have, and, and, you know, that could be communicated on the label or in the tasting room or in tasting notes or whatever. [00:07:46] So, you know, essentially we did this complicated experiment and which is, you know, a whole other story on its own, but but it was kind of interesting, but essentially what we found was that one of those three messages didn't really impact people's willingness to pay. One of them did a little bit. And one of them did quite a bit. [00:08:05] Craig Macmillan: I'm on the edge of my seat. [00:08:06] Dan McCole: You're on the edge of your seat. Okay. I was wondering if you wanted to have a quiz. They didn't want to pay less, but they didn't necessarily want to pay more. [00:08:13] The local message, people were willing to pay more for that, but not a lot. [00:08:17] It was the awards, and it was interesting because we had people sample four different Marquette wines, and we didn't ask them about the specific wines, we just asked questions about Marquette wines. Here are four Marquette wines, you know, so you get a sense of this grape and the wines made from it. [00:08:33] And we didn't say that these wines had won awards just that wines made with Marquette had won awards. But that made people pay a willingness to pay a lot more. [00:08:41] Craig Macmillan: Interesting. [00:08:43] Dan McCole: And, and I think that has something to do with wine itself as a product. Part of our other research shows that, you know, The people who tend to go to tasting rooms in these emerging areas don't necessarily have the same level of wine knowledge or wine experience or wine purchase behavior. [00:08:58] And so they might be looking a little bit more toward people who are experts in this to tip them as to if they should like this or not. I mean, we're all kind of like that with, with wine, the points and things like that, you know, let's see what a, an expert tells us. And we're influenced by that. [00:09:15] Craig Macmillan: That is interesting. It just made me think of diffusion of innovation, you know, where you have some folks that would be like, Oh, Marquette's delicious, fantastic, I want it. And then there's another population that's like, Well, let's, is it? If other people are indicating that it's good and that they like it, which is communicated through points in this case, then that opens the door. [00:09:35] And then maybe you get some more momentum after that, some more momentum after that, momentum after that, you know, and wine regions have kind of developed along that same. Principle, the sense of place piece is also kind of interesting because a lot of wineries, I think are really focused on conveying these wines are a sense of place. [00:09:52] And I was expecting that to be a real motivator because these are special places with special wines. But not necessarily. [00:10:02] Dan McCole: Well, yeah, you know, wine more than probably any other product at least beverage is, so tied to the terroir, right? If you're thinking about a wine in Michigan or Iowa or, Missouri and you know, a little bit something about wine, you'd say, Oh, those aren't really wine areas. Are they? [00:10:22] And you might be a little skeptical. Whereas, you know, if you're talking about, Oh, this wine is made in Italy or France or Chile or, California or, Australia, wherever people say, Oh, yeah, they make good wines there. Right? This tie to the terroir in the area is true. But think about like, yeah. craft beers. People don't really give it the same level of scrutiny where it's made from. If you go to you know, a place, I mean, we just don't have the connection, you know, Germany or Czech or, you know, places are known for certain kinds of beer, but you're not necessarily skeptical about a beer made in Iowa or Missouri or Michigan or, wherever. [00:10:58] Same thing with spirits. We've seen a lot of craft distilleries coming around , and people think that's cool, . But wine, they're still a little suspicious of really. Could we really have a good wine made in this location or that location? So that sense of place is interesting. So I think with the, experiments we did, it was really that the reason there was a little bit of an increase, I think, is just people for. Mostly environmental reasons but you know, some other reasons to support local business you know, latched on to that local message. And we're willing to pay a little bit more for that, but not a lot more. [00:11:30] Craig Macmillan: Right. And if I remember correctly the environmental aspects of this did play at least a little bit of a role [00:11:37] Dan McCole: that that's exactly right. That is something that wineries do communicate about the wines especially made with hybrid wine grapes. I mean, first of all, the, the term hybrid grape is something that the industry uses and people like you and I might use but the average consumer doesn't know what that means. [00:11:53] The average consumer doesn't know what Vitis vinifera is. They've maybe heard of grapes, but, you know, if you ask them if they've heard of Cabernet Sauvignon or Marquette, they might say, Oh, I've heard of Cabernet Sauvignon, and if they're from certain areas where Marquette is grown, they might say, Oh, yeah, I've heard of that too, to a lesser extent, but they're not gonna know that one's a hybrid grape and one's not. [00:12:13] And even if you were told, they wouldn't know what that means. Cabernet Sauvignon sounds like a hybrid. Between Cabernet and Sauvignon, right? So, like, they don't really make that distinction as much as the industry does. [00:12:25] Craig Macmillan: Are there other varieties in the upper Midwest that have the same kind of potential, do you think? [00:12:31] Dan McCole: There are several that people are interested. You mentioned Frontenac before. Frontenac's been around for a while and it's another one that makes a red wine. Petite Pearl is sort of another one that's a little newer than Marquette, which has some promise. [00:12:45] On the white you have which has also been around for a little bit and you know, Brianna and La Crescent and, and some of those essentially what they do is allow for this growth that we've seen in areas where it was previously not feasible to, produce wine. [00:13:02] People are ever going to get to the point where they prefer a Marquette over a Cabernet Sauvignon, I mean, some people do but in large numbers that could be a while. And it may never happen. To me, a lot of these wineries and these areas. They're, they're smaller wineries that sell most of what they produce out of their tasting room. [00:13:24] And that's a pretty good model for them because when you're producing such a small amount of wine, the production cost per bottle is pretty high, so just to break even you might need to, you know, sell it at 15, 16, 17 dollars a bottle. If you want a little bit of a margin, you're going for 25 dollars. [00:13:44] Now if you're in a wine shop And you have the choice between, a $25 bottle of Cabernet Sauvignon or, go with something else like a you know, a Pinot Noir or something, and a $25 bottle of Marquette. It's gonna be hard for that Marquette to compete. [00:14:03] Plus the winery's gonna have to pay the, middleman, the distributor and the retailer. They're cut too. Selling it out of the tasting room makes a lot of sense when it's that high. You don't have the competition, you don't have to give other people their cut. , [00:14:16] what we've found in these areas is that people aren't going to the wineries for wine. [00:14:23] Our research clearly shows this. They're going for a wine based experience or wine themed experience, when we ask people why they came to the winery, the reasons given were, for a relaxing day out to socialize with somebody else to bond with friends or loved one or you know, a group of women who are getting ready and part of a bachelorette party or something. [00:14:44] And, lower down the list is to learn more about wine and lower down is to acquire wine or build my cellar or things like that. They're not going there for that purpose. They're going for an experience. [00:14:54] Now, if the experience is good and the wine is good enough, they'll buy some of that wine, again, because the context of a purchase. Makes all the difference in the world. For years, we've known this about consumer behavior, that the situation in which somebody buys something makes all the difference in their behavior, whether they're going to buy it. And we know this in the wine industry, right? Think about how much you're willing to pay for a bottle of wine at a restaurant versus at a store. [00:15:24] Because the situation is different. And our right. Our willingness to pay goes up. Our willingness to buy one product over another changes. And by like the situation I'm talking the physical surroundings make a difference. The social surroundings, who you're with you know, at the time, the temporal perspective, meaning the urgency associated with it whether you have plenty of time to shop, whether you're in a hurry, What they call the task, which is like the reason for the purchase. [00:15:49] So are you buying it for a gift? Are you bringing it to somebody's house? Are you getting it as a souvenir? And then, and this is, I think most important is something called the antecedent States. And this is like the consumers. Mood at the, at the moment of purchase, it's emotional state. And this has changed by, you know, what has happened immediately before the purchase. [00:16:11] So if you're at a winery and you know, Iowa, Missouri, Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and. You're having a great time and you and I are there together. We're getting along real well, getting to know each other. We're having a wine. The wine's, you know, fine. It's pretty good. We talked to some other people. It's just been a great day out. The weather's been beautiful. There are beautiful views and we walked through the vineyard. We're in a good mood, and that's gonna change our purchase situation. All of those factors change the purchase situation. In some cases, the wine just has to be good enough. [00:16:44] Now, if the wine is terrible and it's really a burden to drink, we're probably not gonna buy that wine. [00:16:50] Craig Macmillan: A burden to drink. I love that. I've never heard that before. I'm going to use that in my real life. [00:16:56] Dan McCole: Have you, have you had many wines that have been a burden [00:16:59] Craig Macmillan: I I'm a judge for a home winemaking competition. So yes, many wines are a burden to drink. [00:17:05] Dan McCole: Yeah, okay. Yeah, I've had a few, but generally I've got a pretty open palate. [00:17:11] Craig Macmillan: I'm sorry. I interrupted [00:17:12] Dan McCole: if we, found these wines to be, you know, not great, then we're not going to buy them. You know, it's going to dampen our experience, if the, the wine grapes that you were asking about, if they're good enough, they're good enough. There's a market there for that. They don't need to be the next, you know, Chardonnay. [00:17:28] Craig Macmillan: Something else that you looked at that I found pretty fascinating was you look for commonalities or differences in wine consumers. I think it was in Michigan. You were connecting with people, I think at the winery And we're doing some survey work. And so I started some semi structured interview work. Is that right? [00:17:42] Dan McCole: Well, not necessarily. We have done some structured interviewing, but I think what you're talking about. So we had a program that we did for several years, both in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota, where we developed a system to be able to intercept people at the winery very quickly. We didn't want to disrupt their experience at the winery, just very quickly. [00:18:04] And we, we worked with wineries, they did these intercepts for us. Would you be interested in participating in a study that Michigan State's doing? If so, just give us your name and email and they will follow up with you within a week. So we got this, we worked with a number of wineries, so we, every week we would get, you know, a few hundred names and we would survey them. And we do this over, you know, a 16 week period every year. [00:18:25] Craig Macmillan: wow. [00:18:25] Dan McCole: We got in touch with a lot of people who had just taken a visit to the winery and we were able to ask a lot of different questions. One line of inquiry that we focused on was trying to get to know who are these consumers? [00:18:39] This is where we first learned that the consumers who go to a winery are different from wine consumers. They're a form of wine consumer, but they're not the same as what most of the information, the trade information available on wine consumers is because that those air mostly in a retail context. [00:18:58] That's where I told you earlier. We learned that, the visitors to wineries in these areas tended to be a little less wine knowledgeable, have a little less wine experience. Purchased a little less wine, you know, beforehand before, you know, coming to the winery and and there were also some differences state to state mostly that had to do with some spending, but some of that was explained geographically, how close the wineries were to major breweries. Population areas and things like that. [00:19:29] One interesting thing that we learned. So in, Michigan, I, I mentioned this earlier, quite a , a lot of the wineries are in areas where they will produce wines with vinifera, grapes that we've heard of before. You know, Cabernet Franc Riesling, Pinot Grigio, some Chardonnay, you know, etc. [00:19:48] And there are some wineries that that use cold, hearty grapes in Wisconsin and Minnesota. They pretty much all use these cold, hearty grapes. So we asked people, how familiar are you with cold, hearty grapes? And it was interesting in Michigan. They shared familiarity greater than the other two states. [00:20:05] But when we asked them if they'd heard of these specific grapes You know, Marquette Marichal Foch yeah, Frontenac, Gris, Frontenac Brianna, La Crescent. We made up a few names of grapes that don't exist. And in Michigan, they were just as likely to say they've heard of those made up grapes as the real grapes. [00:20:27] And in Wisconsin and Minnesota, however , they hadn't heard of those and they indicated that they've heard of the real grapes. And, and so what that told us was that if you, familiarize the consumer enough with these grapes, they'll get to know them and recognize them. And in Michigan they just hadn't because there aren't as many that use these cold hardy grapes. [00:20:47] Craig Macmillan: Oh, that's, that's really interesting. We're talking about cold hardy's equality. I've done been doing a lot of interviews with folks from places like Texas. And also the Pacific Northwest, which are both areas that are very vulnerable to climate change. And in the case of the Northwest, that still might be vinifera. But for instance, the Willamette Valley may have to rethink Pinot Noir if things continue to warm. In Texas, it's about heat, where they're having just terrible collapses of vines. And there are, you know, these heat tolerant varieties that nobody's heard of. If you were to be called in as an expert and flown to Texas, what kind of advice would you give to the extensionists at Texas A& M or to the wine marketing associations or anything like that? Based on what you've learned in the Midwest. [00:21:37] Dan McCole: I do work with some people from Texas A& M on different projects that we've been part of. So I'm a little bit familiar with their challenges, mostly they're viticulturalists they have unique challenges. The kind of things that, that I work with that really apply, even though most of my work has been done up here in the, upper Midwest and the great lakes area from the, small business perspective, they have the same challenges. [00:21:59] I would argue that in fact, I published a paper on, proposing that there are really four different kinds of wine regions. One is sort of the famous wine regions we know about. Those would be the Napa and the Sonoma or a Tuscany and other places like that Burgundy and France. They produce a lot of wine and they have good wine tourism 'cause people want to go to these regions. [00:22:22] Then we have regions that produce a lot of wine, but they don't necessarily have a whole lot of tourism. They don't rely too much on tourism. These are the bulk wine producing regions of the world. [00:22:33] Then you have lots of regions around the world. Especially you think of like Eastern Europe, they have a long tradition of winemaking, but it's really just for local consumption, right? And and so they, they sell it locally. They don't really rely on tourism. People aren't going to these regions. , you can think of Bulgaria and. You know, certain parts of Austria or, you know, wherever. [00:22:55] And then there's this newer fourth region. And these are wineries that don't have a long tradition of winemaking. These are like the wineries that have popped up all over the U. S. over the last 20 years, and they are entirely reliant on tourism. to sell their product because they're mostly selling out of the tasting room. And each one of these four regions has different business models. [00:23:16] If a winery is in an area that relies on tasting room sales, either entirely or largely and or is making wines with grapes that people are less familiar with then they have similar challenges regardless of where they're located or what those wines are called. [00:23:36] One of the things I would say is recognize that, people are there to buy an experience, not a product. And if they have a good experience, they'll buy the product. A lot of wineries I've worked with, they understand this, but they still consider themselves being in the, you know, primarily wineries and wine producers. [00:23:55] And, and they are, and you can understand why they are that way. Their consumer's primary, you know, the product they're seeking the most is not a actual tangible product. It is that experience. And so realizing that that that you are really in that experience industry just happens to be wine themed and you also produce wine and you're going to sell that wine to them that realizing why people are there and then that they're Behavior, the things that are going to change their behavior, get them to buy more wine, et cetera is going to be different from most of the information that's out there about consumers realizing that the wine consumer behavior that's out there and all the trade magazines Is mostly for people at retail and they are very different there. [00:24:40] They have a lot of commonalities And even if we're talking about the same people the situation is different and therefore their behavior is different So essentially they're a different kind of consumer, when they're there and then the last thing I would tell them is you know based on what I was telling you about the work we had done in minnesota and wisconsin is don't shy away from the name of the grape and, , just say that, and people don't care if it's hybrid or not, just push the name of that grape. So you get some recognition of it. And then people, especially if they're newer to , to wine, you know, they're gonna say, Oh, I really like this grape. I like wines are made with this grape. And, you know, they tell two friends and so on and so on. [00:25:20] Craig Macmillan: Interesting. I don't think I saw this in your writing, but obviously you have some experience with this. Are there particular things, elements that a winery that's selling this experience, types of experiences, types of things that a winery would have the most success with or things that you saw that had the most popularity or the most success? [00:25:43] Dan McCole: Yeah, we, we haven't done that work. We actually have a proposed in a grant that, hopefully will be funded coming forward. A colleague of mine at Cornell, Miguel Gomez, he did a couple interesting little experiments to, see what, generated more sales in, in one experiment, he found that essentially the, the more satisfied people were with their tasting room experience. The more wine they bought and the more money they spent on wine. So the more bottles, the more money they spent and the more bottles they purchased. And, and it was really clear. And if you could get somebody from being very satisfied to extremely satisfied, The amount of wine just jumped way up in the amount of spending. [00:26:29] So trying to get somebody extremely satisfied with their tasting room experience. So that begs the question, what leads to satisfaction experience. And what was interesting is it wasn't the quality of the wines. It was things like, crowding if it wasn't too crowded decoration, the atmosphere that was created, whether it was a nice place the service. The you know, the people serving. [00:26:54] I was at another conference where another colleague Zeta Vickers at University of Minnesota. She had done some experiments with tasting those. She was giving people wines to try and she would show them photos of people in different states of emotion. So some of them were really happy, some of them were angry, some of them were scared, some of them were sad, whatever. And she experimented with the same group of wines. And asked people to rate their level of satisfaction. And one of the things she learned was regardless of which wine followed, the wine after showing somebody who was happy, a picture of somebody who was happy, was always rated more higher than the other emotions. [00:27:34] And so the lesson that she gave from this and fits in with Miguel's work is if you're hiring somebody to work in your tasting room and you have a choice between two people, one of them is incredibly knowledgeable about wine knows everything there is to know, but isn't the most . necessarily friendly, outgoing person in the world and the other one doesn't know much about wine, but is very engaging and friendly and outgoing. Train that person about wine, hire them and train them about wine versus the wine person what Zeta said, if people are in a good mood or they see somebody in a good mood, they're more likely to be satisfied with the wine. [00:28:08] And if they're more satisfied with the wine and more satisfied with their experience, then they're, going to buy more wine. [00:28:13] Craig Macmillan: Variable I wonder about is music. [00:28:16] Dan McCole: Yeah, [00:28:17] Craig Macmillan: I'm really curious about what impact that might have. And it gets to this emotional response piece, where if people are having a good time, you see people smiling, the staff are very friendly and smiling, that encourages you to Enjoy the experience be satisfied the experience then purchase product as a result [00:28:34] Dan McCole: I would agree with that 100%. And I think that's part of being very satisfied or extremely satisfied with the tasting room experience. If there's either good live music or it doesn't even have to be that there's a, there's a little winery up here in Michigan that, in the middle of their tasting room, they have this, sort of classic Harley. [00:28:52] And the music in there is always like classic rock, and it's turned up a little bit higher than you would normally expect. And they have a great view and it's a really beautiful winery and it's looking over Lake Michigan, it's really lovely you can't go there and not have a good time, you know, it's just a lot of fun. [00:29:08] Craig Macmillan: yeah, that's interesting if there's one thing you were gonna tell folks regardless of where they were on this topic Making the sale of an unknown wine variety. What would it be? Just one idea one thing [00:29:22] Dan McCole: Well, based on the research what we told people about the awards that were won, if your wine has won awards showcase them. Let people know that that they've won awards that that really does seem to make a difference. So to the point where once we, when we had our findings, we were reporting them at a conference of winemakers and, and somebody said, I'm really glad you said that because we did win awards, but we'd already had our bottles labeled. [00:29:46] And so we were, printing off different stickers that we're applying by hand, bottle by bottle. And we were going to give up doing that, but maybe we should continue. And I said, yeah, I mean, that was the thing more than anything else. You communicate to people about the wines is that they'd won awards. [00:30:01] Because if you're talking about people who everybody feels a little inferior, not everybody. We, we all know some people who are very. You know, feel like they know everything there is to know about wine, but a lot of us are, are a little inferior about whether we know as much as we should about wine to have experts sort of say that, you know, wine more than, more than a lot of things makes a big difference. [00:30:23] And so awards are, are one of those things and enter those competitions. And, and if you win them make sure you communicate that to your consumers. [00:30:30] Craig Macmillan: That's fascinating. Where can people find out more about you? [00:30:33] Dan McCole: Well, they can go onto the, website or, or look me up, Dan McCole. You'll find some of the writings I've had on Google and there are two Dan McCalls out there. One's my dad, he's an artist in Boston. And then may just don't go for the watercolors, go for the stuff about wine. [00:30:47] Craig Macmillan: And yeah, in the show notes, there'll be links to a number of your publications, which I found fascinating. And I think other people will too. Thank you so much. Our guest today has been Dan McCole. He's associate professor in the department of community sustainability at Michigan state university. Dan, thanks for being here. This has been a really interesting conversation. [00:31:05] Dan McCole: Thanks a lot, Craig. I enjoyed talking to you. [00:31:06] Beth Vukmanic: Thank you for listening. Make sure you check out the show notes for links to Dan, a number of his articles on market research, plus Sustainable Wine Growing Podcast episodes, 222, How Sustainability Sells in a Tough Market, and 246, Three Ways to Make Your Tasting an Experience. If you liked the show, do us a big favor by sharing it with a friend, subscribing, and leaving us a review. [00:31:34] You can find all of the podcasts at vineyardteam. org slash podcast. And you can reach us at podcast at vineyardteam. org until next time. This is sustainable wine growing with the vineyard team.   Nearly perfect transcription by Descript

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