Owned and Operated

How do you double a plumbing business in just 90 days after buying it?In this episode, John Wilson breaks down the exact moves that led to nearly 100% growth immediately post-acquisition. From simple operational fixes to high-impact decisions, this is a practical look at what actually drives results in a small service business.If you're buying—or thinking about buying—a home service company, this episode shows how to unlock growth fast and run a business effectively from day one.Follow John Wilson:https://x.com/WilsonCompaniesMore Solo Content:https://www.youtube.com/@JohnWilsonStudioSend Us Mail!More Ways To Connect with O&OJohn's YouTube ChannelWeekly Newsletter Owned and Operated Leave a ReviewJohn Wilson, CEO of Wilson CompaniesJack Carr, CEO of Rapid HVAC

I Bought 3 Home Service Businesses in 90 Days… Here's What HappenedIn this episode of Owned and Operated, John Wilson sits down with co-host Jack Carr (CEO of Rapid HVAC) to break down what actually happens when you aggressively scale through acquisitions.After buying three businesses in 90 days, John walks through the strategy, the chaos, and the results—from rapid revenue growth to hitting 24% EBITDA and transforming the structure of his business almost overnight.This isn't theory. It's a real-time look at what it takes to scale a home service company through M&A—and when it actually works.What we cover: Why the best companies combine organic growth + acquisitions How John added $10–12M in run-rate revenue in one quarter The real reason acquisitions worked this time (and broke the business in the past)  How shared services (marketing, call center, dispatch) drive massive efficiency gains  Why infrastructure—not deal flow—is the key to scaling acquisitions If you're thinking about buying businesses—or wondering when you're actually ready—this episode is a candid breakdown of what it really takes to scale through M&A.

Is “weird” marketing actually working in home services… or are contractors missing massive opportunities?In this episode of Owned and Operated, John Wilson is joined by Sam Preston (CEO of Service Scalers) to break down unconventional marketing channels that are quietly driving real revenue for home service businesses.From advertising above 100+ stadium toilets to generating leads through church bulletins and local newspapers, this episode explores the overlooked strategies that most contractors ignore—and why they work.They also dig into why crowded channels like Google and Facebook aren't the only path to growth, and how thinking differently about marketing can unlock cheaper leads and stronger brand recognition.In this episode, we cover: Why “weird” local marketing channels still drive real results  Real-world examples: stadium ads, newspapers, church bulletins, pizza boxes, and more  How overlooked channels can outperform traditional digital ads  The power of brand familiarity and low cost per impression If you're looking to grow your home service business, reduce customer acquisition costs, or find an edge your competitors aren't using—this episode will change how you think about marketing.Host: John Wilsonhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/johnbwilson1/Guest: Sam Prestonhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/sam-preston-a682103b6

If you're starting a home service business in 2026… you're probably focusing on the wrong things.Most people waste months on logos, websites, and branding—before they ever get a single customer.In this solo episode, John breaks down exactly how he would start a home service business from $0 today—and the framework that actually drives revenue from day one.This isn't theory. It's the same mindset and systems used to build a $40M home service company from the ground up.If you're thinking about starting a business—or trying to get your first real traction—this is the playbook.What You'll Learn: Why picking the right market and service matters more than anything else  How to find low-competition, high-demand opportunities (and avoid crowded markets)  The biggest mistake new operators make (and why most fail early)  Why you're not in the trade business—you're in marketing and sales  The fastest way to get customers with $0 (and start generating revenue immediately)  Why branding, websites, and “looking legit” don't matter early on Follow John Wilson: https://x.com/WilsonCompaniesMore Solo Content: https://www.youtube.com/@JohnWilsonStudioSend Us Mail!More Ways To Connect with O&OJohn's YouTube ChannelWeekly Newsletter Owned and Operated Leave a ReviewJohn Wilson, CEO of Wilson CompaniesJack Carr, CEO of Rapid HVAC

Is AI actually changing home services… or just hype?In this episode of Owned and Operated, John Wilson sits down with Tyson Chen (Founder of Avoca) to break down how AI is actually being deployed inside home service businesses right now—and why the gap between operators is widening fast.From contractors building their own tools to PE-backed companies unlocking millions in efficiency, this episode cuts through the noise and gets practical.What we cover: Why contractors are rapidly deploying AI across their businesses  The rise of “AI-native” operators (and why they scale faster)  Real use cases: dispatch, call center, marketing, and capacity planning  Where AI drives the biggest ROI (and where it breaks) If you're trying to scale, improve margins, or stay competitive as AI adoption accelerates—this episode will reshape how you think about your business.Host: John Wilson https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnbwilson1/ Guest: Tyson Chen https://www.avoca.ai/partners/oaoShout Out to FieldPulse

Is Chick-fil-A entering home services… and what does that mean for contractors?At first glance, it sounds like a joke — but it's real. A Chick-fil-A–backed venture has launched a home service brand focused on handyman work, and it raises a much bigger question:Who's coming for the home service industry next?In this episode, John Wilson is joined by Jack Carr (CEO of Rapid HVAC) to break down what this move actually signals — from venture capital entering the trades to the long-term impact of consolidation.They also unpack a core issue most operators misunderstand: why handyman businesses are incredibly hard to scale, despite looking simple on the surface.From scope creep and pricing pressure to labor challenges and customer expectations, this conversation gets into the realities behind “easy” service models — and where the real opportunities are.In this episode, we discuss: Why Chick-fil-A's move into home services isn't as crazy as it sounds  The hidden challenges of running and scaling a handyman business  How “small jobs” turn into complex operations  Why the word “handyman” can hurt your pricing power  The rise of venture capital and institutional buyers in home services  What consolidation means for contractors over the next decade  How distribution (Home Depot, Costco, etc.) could reshape the industry If you're building, buying, or scaling a home service business — this episode will give you a clearer view of where the industry is heading next.Break through the $5M ceiling.Join John Wilson and Jack Carr May 5–7, 2026 in Akron, Ohio for the Breaking $5 Million Workshop—a 3-day, in-person event for HVAC, plumbing, and electrical owners ready to scale. You'll see the Wilson operation live, sit in on a real sales huddle, tour the shop, and build your roadmap to $5M+.

If you're trying to win in HVAC in 2026… most of what you've been told about marketing is wrong.Contractors are wasting thousands on agencies, chasing “leads,” and relying on channels they don't actually control.In this solo episode, John breaks down the exact HVAC marketing system he's using to scale one of the largest non-private equity-backed home service companies in Ohio—and what's actually working right now.This isn't theory. It's what's driving real calls, real jobs, and real growth.If you're stuck in feast-or-famine, trying to grow past $1M, or scaling toward $10M+, this is the playbook.What You'll Learn: The difference between controllable vs. uncontrollable demand (and why it matters)  The exact channels driving consistent HVAC leads today (SEO, Google Ads, LSA, direct mail)  Why most contractors underinvest in marketing—and how it holds them back  The “speed to lead” system that turns missed calls into booked jobs Follow John Wilson: https://x.com/WilsonCompaniesMore Solo Content: https://www.youtube.com/@JohnWilsonStudioSend Us Mail!More Ways To Connect with O&OJohn's YouTube ChannelWeekly Newsletter Owned and Operated Leave a ReviewJohn Wilson, CEO of Wilson CompaniesJack Carr, CEO of Rapid HVAC

Is your marketing actually working — or is Google taking credit for everything? Attribution in home service marketing is broken for most operators, and in 2026, that mistake is getting more expensive.John Wilson sits down with returning guest Tony Castelucci from Wanamaker Advertising to break down how home service businesses should really think about attribution, demand generation, and measuring ROI across channels like PPC, LSA, SEO, TV, radio, and more.They unpack why cost per lead is often the wrong metric, how demand capture and demand creation work together, and what operators need to track if they want to scale profitably instead of just chasing cheap leads.What we cover:Why last-click attribution gives too much credit to GoogleWhy cost per lead is one of the most misleading metrics in marketingThe difference between demand capture vs demand creationWhy branded traffic and direct traffic are often your best leadsHow to use timestamps, call data, and CRM reporting to measure true marketing ROIIf you're spending more on marketing but still struggling to understand what's truly driving booked jobs and profitable growth, this episode is for you.Host: John Wilsonhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/johnbwilson1/Guest: Tony Castelucci (Wanamaker)[https://wantmore-leads.com]

Is AI killing SEO—or just changing how it works?In this episode of Owned and Operated, John Wilson sits down with Lisa from Service Scalers to talk about what SEO actually looks like in 2026. They break down why AI isn't replacing search, why Google still dominates high-intent local buying behavior, and what home service companies need to do to stay visible.They cover the shift away from low-intent traffic, why Google Business Profiles matter more than ever, and how authority, trust, and user experience are replacing old-school SEO tactics.In this episode, we cover: -Why AI is changing SEO, not killing it -Why low-intent traffic is dropping -How Google Business Profiles drive local leads -Why brand search matters more than most owners realizeHost: John Wilson https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnbwilson1/Guest: Lisa Appleby https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisa-appleby/?originalSubdomain=uk

I was obsessed with hitting $10M.And when we finally got there… everything broke.In this solo episode, John breaks down what it actually looks like to scale a trades business from $1M to $40M over the last decade — including the messy middle no one talks about.If you're trying to grow past $1M, push to $10M, or build a $100M platform, this episode maps out the three stages every operator goes through:$1M–$5M: Survival & Scrappiness$5M–$20M: Structure & Systems$20M+: Scale, EBITDA & ExpansionThis is the unfiltered version of building a trades business — no playbook, no perfect plan, just figuring it out one step at a time.If you've got big ambitions but no clear roadmap yet… you're in the right place.

What does it actually take to build a billion-dollar septic company?In this episode of Owned and Operated, John Wilson sits down with the founders of Epic Septic to break down one of the most overlooked—and profitable—home service industries.They share how they went from zero to rapid growth, why septic is dramatically less competitive than HVAC or plumbing, and how simple fundamentals like answering the phone and selling on the first call can outperform expensive marketing strategies.In this episode, we cover:Why septic is one of the most overlooked home service opportunitiesHow 90% of competitors fail to answer the phone (and lose business because of it)Why speed-to-lead and phone sales drive extremely high close ratesThe real economics behind building a $100M–$1B service businessHost: John Wilson https://x.com/WilsonCompaniesGuests: Kyle Voss Chad Riddersen https://epicseptic.com/Break through the $5M ceiling.Join John Wilson and Jack Carr May 5–7, 2026 in Akron, Ohio for the Breaking $5 Million Workshop—a 3-day, in-person event for HVAC, plumbing, and electrical owners ready to scale. You'll see the Wilson operation live, sit in on a real sales huddle, tour the shop, and build your roadmap to $5M+.

Do truck wraps actually drive leads, or are most home service companies wasting money to look like everyone else?In this episode, John Wilson and Sam Preston break down branding, truck wraps, and why many HVAC, plumbing, and electrical companies overspend on “professional” branding that does not actually set them apart. They talk about what branding really does, why it helps close more deals than generate more leads, and how to think about standing out in a crowded market.In this episode, we cover:Why truck wraps no longer differentiate most home service brandsThe difference between branding that signals trust and branding that drives leadsWhy simple truck wraps often work better than busy designsHow branding has shifted from competitive advantage to table stakesWhy many contractors overspend to look like everyone elseHost: John Wilson https://x.com/WilsonCompaniesGuest: Sam Preston https://www.linkedin.com/in/sam-preston-a682103b6

The Marketing Stack for Home Service Businesses: From $1M to $10MWhat should home service companies actually spend on marketing at $1 million, $5 million, and $10 million?In this episode, John Wilson sits down with Ethan Wright of Service Scalers to break down the real marketing stack for HVAC, plumbing, and electrical companies at every stage of growth. They cover what changes as you scale, what stays the same, and where most owners waste money too early.If you run an HVAC, plumbing, or electrical business and want a clearer roadmap for how to think about marketing as you grow, this episode lays it out.In this episode, we cover:The best marketing priorities for home service companies from $1M to $10MWhy lead generation matters more than branding in the early stagesHow reviews, LSA, aggregators, and speed-to-lead drive growthWhen PPC, SEO, and lifecycle marketing become more importantWhy most owners hire for marketing too earlyHow pricing impacts your ability to buy leads profitablyHost: John Wilson https://x.com/WilsonCompanies Guest: Ethan Wright linkedin.com/in/ethanwrighttx

Are Billboards Worth It for Home Service Businesses? (Or Just an Expensive Ego Boost?)Billboards can feel like a milestone for a growing home service company—your name on the highway, customers saying they saw your brand, friends texting photos of your sign. But for most HVAC, plumbing, and electrical companies, billboard advertising starts too early and becomes an expensive distraction from what actually drives growth: leads.In this episode, John Wilson sits down with Sam Preston (CEO of Service Scalers) for another installment of the Clicks to Calls series. They break down when billboards actually work, when they don't, and why most contractors under $20M are usually better off buying more leads instead of investing heavily in brand campaigns.They also unpack what makes a billboard memorable, why density matters more than just “having one,” and how brand channels like billboards show up in your data through branded search rather than traditional attribution.You'll learn:When billboards actually make sense for HVAC, plumbing, and electrical companiesThe biggest mistake contractors make: running one or two billboards instead of building densityWhy most companies under ~$20M should prioritize buying leads over brand marketingHost: John Wilson — https://x.com/WilsonCompanies Guest: Sam Preston — https://x.com/HeySamPrestonBreak through the $5M ceiling.Join John Wilson and Jack Carr May 5–7, 2026 in Akron, Ohio for the Breaking $5 Million Workshop—a 3-day, in-person event for HVAC, plumbing, and electrical owners ready to scale. You'll see the Wilson operation live, sit in on a real sales huddle, tour the shop, and build your roadmap to $5M+.

How to Hire a GM or Operator for Your Home Service Business (and Avoid a $100K Hiring Mistake)Scaling past $10M can expose a brutal truth: the leadership team that got you here might not be the team that gets you to $25M+. In this episode, John Wilson talks with Brendan Aronson (Founder of The Military Veteran, TMV), a recruiting firm that places military veterans into executive and operator roles at home service companies.They break down what an “operator” actually does in a growing HVAC, plumbing, or electrical business—how to know when you need one, and how to avoid the expensive hiring mistakes that come from unclear expectations and a sloppy process. Brendan shares why veterans often excel under pressure, what to look for in reference checks, and the biggest red flag after a senior hire: changing everything on Day 1.You'll learn:What a true GM/operator looks like in a $10M–$40M+ home service companyHow to test for performance under pressure (behavioral questions + reference checks)The #1 red flag: leaders who “rip up the carpet” immediatelyWhy the best operators listen first—and when fast change is required (safety/acute risk)How to build a real hiring pipeline (dozens screened → ~7 serious interviews)Host: John Wilson — https://x.com/WilsonCompanies Guest: Brendan Aronson (TMV) — https://themilvet.typeform.com/to/BDwkmCU0?typeform-source=www.themilvet.org

If you've ever felt stuck because your business outgrew your leadership team — or rushed a key hire just to relieve the pressure — this episode is for you.In this episode of Owned and Operated, John Wilson sits down with Brendan Aronson, Founder of The Military Veteran (TMV), a recruiting firm that places military veterans into executive and operator roles.They break down what it really takes to hire a GM or operator who can scale a $10M–$25M home service business — and why most hiring failures aren't talent problems, but clarity and process problems.The core theme: Great companies believe people drive value creation. If you get the leadership hire wrong, the cost compounds. If you get it right, everything unlocks.What You'll Learn in This EpisodeWhat “operator” actually means in a scaling home service businessWhy hiring becomes the bottleneck as companies growHow military leadership experience translates (and where it doesn't)Enlisted vs. officer backgrounds — and what each typically bringsThey also cover the difference between hiring for:A private equity–backed platform (timeline-driven, playbook-oriented)A family-owned business (culture, long-term alignment, succession planning)

Every home service operator has a failure story.In this episode of Owned and Operated, John Wilson sits down with Jack Carr (CEO of Rapid Plumbing, Heating, Cooling & Electric in Nashville) to break down the biggest business mistakes they've made — and what those mistakes actually cost.From a $13,000 ad spend weekend that only generated $7,000 in revenue… to overpaying vendors for an entire year… to discovering $80,000 per month in unnecessary purchasing — this is a candid conversation about the operational blind spots that quietly drain profit.The surprising takeaway? Most major failures weren't dramatic. They were data problems. Process problems. Cash flow misunderstandings. And hiring financial leadership too late.If you're scaling a home service business — or planning to — this episode could save you years of expensive lessons.In this episode, we discuss:The $13K marketing mistake and how capacity planning changes everythingHow tightening purchasing controls instantly improved marginsWhy most contractors overpay vendors (and don't even know it)The hidden cost of software bloat and subscription creepConstruction vs. service cash flow — and why mixing the two can hurtWhy hiring a controller earlier would have changed everything

If someone handed you $5 million… would you buy an HVAC business or a security/alarm business?In this episode of Owned and Operated, John Wilson is joined by Stephen and Collin from the Entry Exit Podcast to debate where they'd place the bet.HVAC has massive buyers, big platforms, and strong exit demand — but it's also weather-driven, cyclical, and much less “truly recurring” than most operators think. Security (especially commercial security) can offer real monthly RMR, faster tech upgrade cycles, and sticky accounts — but it comes with licensing complexity, scope creep, and higher-stakes failure points.If you're thinking about acquisitions, roll-ups, or just want a clearer lens on what $5M can actually buy in different trades, this episode is for you.In this episode, we cover:The $5M question: Why the “best” business depends on your goal (sleep-at-night vs. build-to-sell)Recurring vs. sticky revenue: Security RMR vs. HVAC memberships (and why they aren't the same)Commercial vs. residential: Where security wins, where HVAC wins, and how each segment behavesRoll-ups and multiples: What's getting bought right now and why commercial fire/security is heating upGeography matters: Why Texas (and other growth markets) changes the math

Firing employees is one of the worst parts of owning a home service business — and the bigger you get, the more often it happens.In this episode of Owned and Operated, John Wilson is joined by Jack Carr (Jack Acquisitions / TriR) to break down a practical framework for terminations that's fair to the employee and protects the team.They walk through how to diagnose whether performance problems are caused by the employee or your systems, how to use clear expectations + coaching + PIPs to create a clean decision path, and why keeping a toxic “top performer” can quietly cost you your best people.What you'll learn:The first question to ask before any termination: “How did we get here?”GWC: Do they Get it, Want it, and have the Capacity to do it?How to run a Performance Improvement Plan that's real (not vibes)When to make a fast decision vs. when to coach longerWhy the “people who got you to $1M” usually aren't the people who get you to $10MThe hidden cost of avoiding the hard conversation: culture + trust + retentionIf you're struggling with when to coach, when to cut, and how to do it without guilt — this episode is the playbook.

Is direct mail actually back in 2026 — or is it a dinosaur channel that should stay extinct?In this episode of Owned and Operated, John Wilson sits down with Sam Preston (CEO of Service Scalers) to break down how the best home service companies are using direct mail as direct response, why some operators get 14x ROI while others lose money mailing the same market, and the exact levers you can pull to make mailers perform (audience, offer, format, frequency, and iteration).They also get into why “legacy media” still works when executed well, how to think about underserved markets, and why your offer + ticket size determines whether direct mail prints money… or burns it.Key Topics Covered:Why “someone in your market is winning” with direct mail (even if you think it's dead)The 4 audiences to mail (members → active customers → inactive customers → net-new)What formats work: postcards, letters, Valpak, door hangers, even “weird” creative mail

Should Home Service Companies Stop Buying Vans?In this episode of Owned and Operated, John Wilson is joined by Nashville operator Jack Carr to break down one of the most overlooked expenses in home services:Fleet decisions.With service vans now costing $60,000+ and fuel and repair costs climbing, John and Jack make the case for a radical shift:Ford Mavericks for service… and trailers for installs.They unpack why the Maverick may be the most capital-efficient vehicle for HVAC, plumbing, and electrical businesses, how truck stock changes operational discipline, and whether modular install trailers could replace box trucks altogether.If you're scaling a trades business and trying to protect cash flow, this episode offers a practical framework for building a leaner, smarter fleet.Key Topics Covered:Why service vans have become a drag on the balance sheetThe real economics of Maverick vs high-roof Transit vansFuel savings, lower capital costs, and fleet scalabilityTruck stock limits in HVAC compared to plumbing and electricalThe “install trailer” system: modular packouts for equipment installs

Does Google PPC still work for home service businesses—or is it just an expensive mistake?In this Clicks to Calls episode of Owned and Operated, John Wilson sits down with Service Scalers CEO Sam Preston to break down the truth about Google Ads (PPC) for HVAC, plumbing, and electrical companies. Some operators swear PPC is dead. Others are spending six figures a month and winning. The difference isn't the platform—it's execution.They walk through why PPC fails for most owners, how it's fundamentally different from Local Service Ads, and what has to be in place before PPC becomes a scalable, predictable lead channel. From budget minimums and landing pages to tracking revenue (not just calls), this episode lays out a clear framework for deciding if PPC belongs in your business—and how to avoid burning cash if you try it.If you've ever said “Google Ads don't work for us,” this episode will challenge that assumption.What you'll learn in this episode:Why PPC still works—and why most operators think it doesn'tThe real difference between LSA and PPC (and why PPC breaks first)Budget thresholds you actually need to make PPC viableWhy landing pages matter more than ad copyShout Out to FieldPulse

How do you keep growing fast without breaking your business?In this Owned and Operated supercut, John Wilson pulls together his favorite moments from recent conversations on what actually snaps when you scale: cash, leadership bandwidth, and the frontline experience that drives revenue.You'll hear why growth is expensive (in trucks, infrastructure, and overhead), how disciplined operators reinvest instead of upgrading their lifestyle too early, and why “the war is won inside the home” no matter how good your dashboards look.If you're running HVAC, plumbing, electrical, or roofing and feeling the strain of growth, this episode gives you the frameworks—and the hard truths—to keep momentum without chaos.In this episode, you'll learn:Why growth consumes cash (and how to plan for it)The “overhead body” you must build early: leadership, CX, SG&A, marketing, purchasingHow owners stall out by pulling cash too early (the lifestyle trap)Why playbooks beat ego: don't reinvent the wheel (Nexstar and more)Why frontline obsession matters more than dashboardsHow onboarding + clear pay plans create a culture that performsConnect: John Wilson: https://x.com/WilsonCompanies

How do you stop wasting money on marketing… and start building a lead engine that actually scales?In this episode of Click to Calls, John Wilson sits down with Service Scalers CEO Sam Preston to break down one of the biggest mistakes growing home service operators make:Hiring a marketing person too early — and expecting them to do everything.They walk through what your first real marketing hire should look like, why most owners misunderstand the budget math, and John's spicy take:If you're under $5M, marketing isn't complicated — you just need to execute the basics consistently.Whether you run HVAC, plumbing, or electrical, this episode gives you a clear framework for when to stick with an agency, when to go in-house, and what “good marketing” actually looks like when the board is light and you need calls fast.In this episode, you'll learn:Why “marketing is complicated” is usually an excuse under $5MThe difference between hiring a coordinator vs. a true marketing managerHow to know if in-house marketing actually beats agency economicsThe only good reasons to bring marketing inside (and the bad one everyone uses)

This episode is a supercut of standout moments from multiple Owned and Operated episodes, focused on one theme: how great operators build, scale, and eventually sell home service businesses.John Wilson pulls together some of the most valuable conversations from past episodes—covering acquisitions, exits, org structure, leadership at scale, and what actually changes when you stop running a single trade business and start building a platform.These clips span decades of operator experience, from buying broken HVAC companies to leading a $600M national home services business, and now applying the same playbook to new industries.What you'll hear in this supercut:How serial operators think about exits from day oneThe difference between running a trade and building a sellable businessWhy growth breaks when leadership and org structure can't keep upHow multi-location platforms balance local autonomy vs centralizationWhat private equity looks for in home service acquisitionsThis episode is ideal for listeners who want the big-picture thinking behind acquisitions, roll-ups, and long-term value creation—without committing to multiple full episodes.If you're building (or buying) a home service business and want to understand how experienced operators really think about scale and exits, this supercut is a must-listen.

In this episode of Owned and Operated, John Wilson is joined by Sam Preston (CEO of Service Scalers) to break down how smart home service operators should budget for marketing in 2026. They explain why one-size-fits-all marketing budgets don't work, how to reverse-engineer spend from the number of leads you actually need, and why most companies don't have a lead problem—they have an execution problem.This conversation goes deep on gross profit–based budgeting, flexible marketing spend, and the exact frameworks operators use to decide what to scale, cut, test, or deploy in emergencies.What you'll learn in this episode:Why marketing budgets should be based on gross profit, not revenueHow to calculate marketing spend by backing into daily lead requirementsThe difference between budgeting for a new business vs. a 10-year-old companyThe 4 (plus 1) marketing budget buckets every operator should useA simple kill vs. scale framework to test marketing channels without guesswork

If you want to play the game on hard mode… randomly pick an industry and hope it works.In this episode of Owned and Operated, John Wilson and Jack Carr break down exactly how they'd build a home service business in 2026—and why the old 2016–2020 playbook is dead. They go deep on research-first market selection, avoiding late-stage consolidation traps, picking “boring” services with clean SKUs, and building a business that can win even when weather, competition, and ad platforms don't cooperate.In this episode, we cover:Research, Research, Research: Why “randomly picking a trade” is hard mode—and how to find unmet demand in a specific market.The 2016–2020 Playbook Is Irrelevant: Why advice from the late 2010s doesn't match today's competitive reality.Consolidation & Multiples: How consolidation changes outcomes—and why “gold mine” industries can cool off before you're big enough.Pick the Right Industry (Fragmented + Big TAM): What to look for in a winning service category in 2026.Boring Businesses Win: Drain cleaning, duct cleaning, leak detection, jetting, water filtration, septic, turf—simple offerings, repeatable operations.

Most security & life-safety companies don't get stuck because they lack hustle—they get stuck because they lack measurement.In this special feed drop of Entry & Exit, Stephen Olmon and Collin Trimble (Alarm Masters, Houston) walk through their 2026 planning process: how they set revenue/RMR/EBITDA goals, translate them into departmental KPIs, and use actuals vs. budget to decide when to invest, when to cut, and how to avoid “hope-based” growth.They unpack why so many firms stall around $3M in revenue (comfort + underinvestment), why “Talent Wins” became a non-negotiable, and how to think about emerging trends like AI the right way—starting with a solid tech foundation and the right people before chasing shiny tools.You'll also hear the core scorecard metrics they track across sales, marketing, finance, operations, and M&A, plus practical homework you can apply immediately in your own business.

Insurance claims, storm chasers, and broken incentives — welcome to the dark side of roofing.In this episode, John Wilson sits down (again) with Adam Cherup to unpack what really happens behind the scenes in roofing — from “deny, delay, defend” insurance tactics to the storm-chasing playbook that leaves homeowners stuck holding the warranty bag. They also get practical: seasonality, lead gen, cash flow, and what it actually takes to start a roofing business (especially in Florida).In this episode, we cover:The Insurance Game: “Deny, delay, defend” — and why carriers aren't your friend.Retail vs. Insurance Strategy: Why some roofers push retail first, then litigate the claim after.How to Win Insurance Work: Xactimate, codes, the paperwork game, and why payouts can double when done right.

In this episode of Owned and Operated, John Wilson sits down with Adam Cherup, a “disaster roofer” who's built a niche, high-margin business installing shrink-wrap temporary roofs after hurricanes, wind events, hail, and fires. Instead of blue tarps that fail in weeks (and often aren't covered more than once), Adam installs a manufacturer-rated wrap that can last up to a year (or longer)—buying homeowners, schools, hospitals, and commercial properties time while insurance claims and full roof replacements drag on.Adam breaks down the economics: 60–80% margins, typical residential jobs around $20K–$30K, and large commercial/school projects in the $150K–$350K+ range (with massive roofs reaching even higher). You'll hear how he gets work (including a key referral partner who pre-positions before storms), why this niche is best paired with an existing roofing operation, and what makes the job uniquely difficult: travel, logistics, training crews, and negotiating with insurers who hate the sticker price—but can't ignore the cost of “future loss.”If you like niche business models with weirdly great unit economics, this one is basically printing money… in a disaster zone.What You'll LearnWhat shrink-wrap roofing is (and why it beats tarps after storms)Unit economics & margins: how this can hit 60–80% gross marginTypical job sizes: $20K–$30K homes, $150K–$350K schools, big commercial upsideHow insurance actually reacts (and how Adam gets paid ~99% of the time)How the work is sold: referrals, pre-storm positioning, and inbound search demand

Referrals are still the #1 growth channel in home services — but most contractors treat it like hope marketing.In this episode, John Wilson sits down with Murphy Nadauld (ReferPro) to break down how the best operators turn word-of-mouth into a systematic, trackable, ROI-positive referral engine.They unpack why 83% of customers are willing to refer, yet only 29% actually do — and the three levers that close the gap: awareness, attribution, and automated rewards.You'll learn how top HVAC, plumbing, electrical, roofing, and restoration companies:Activate referrals directly through technicians in the homeBuild a B2B “affiliate army” (realtors, plumbers, inspectors, restoration partners)Tier incentives by job value so referrals scale without blowing up CACUse attribution and automation to make referrals predictable — not randomIf you're a contractor owner who wants referrals on demand, not vibes, this episode is your blueprint.In This Episode, We Cover:The referral gap: why customers want to refer but don'tThe 3-part referral system: Awareness → Attribution → RewardsHow “power referrers” actually emerge (and why spend ≠ referrals)Technician-driven referrals: QR codes, NFC, truck signage, leave-behinds

This is the literal easiest lever you can pull to add leads tomorrow: turn on (and properly run) Google Local Services Ads (LSAs).In this episode, John Wilson sits down with Sam Preston (CEO of Service Scalers) to break down why LSAs are still absurdly underutilized in home services—and how a simple setup + consistency flywheel (answer calls → book jobs → earn 5-star reviews) can ramp a business fast.They also zoom out into the operator view: how John evaluates acquisitions through the lens of marketing, why under-spent businesses with strong reviews are so attractive, and the biggest LSA mistakes they see (turning it off, wrong services/locations, and “set it and forget it”).If you're a contractor owner (HVAC, plumbing, electrical, etc.) and you want a no-excuses playbook to get more calls in 2026, start here.

We're heading into 2026 with one goal: stop losing money.Not “grow at all costs.” Not “try harder.” Just: build a healthy business that actually cash flows.In this episode, John Wilson and Jack Carr break down what they're cutting, tightening, and renegotiating in 2026 to go from ~13% EBITDA to 20% EBITDA—and why they're also targeting 10% net profit after realizing how big the gap can be between EBITDA and real take-home profit.They walk through the exact planning process they used this year (operational inputs → revenue → profit plan), then share the unsexy truth: most of the gains don't come from some magic tactic… they come from relentless efficiency—marketing discipline, killing bloated software, renegotiating vendor terms, tightening material spend, and finding hidden leaks everywhere.If you run a home service business (at any size), this is your 2026 playbook for getting healthy first—then scaling from strength.In this episode, we cover:“Just Don't Lose Money” Mindset: Why refusing to lose changes everythingProfit Planning for 2026: Planning off the P&L (not vibes)EBITDA Isn't a Light Switch: Why profitability is an on-ramp (and takes time)Marketing Discipline: Cutting inconsistent channels + tracking cancellation rateSoftware Bloat: The hidden $10K–$50K/month leak almost everyone has

We break down how we tripled our HVAC average ticket—from $5,000 to $12,500+—and finally made sales profitable. In this episode, we walk through the painful mistakes, system overhauls, and process changes that turned HVAC from a money-loser into a real growth engine.If you run a home service business, this episode is a masterclass in why “selling harder” doesn't work—but selling better systems, earlier financing, and structured options does. We unpack how repair-first thinking killed profitability, why discount-driven comfort advising nearly sunk us, and how process—not unicorn salespeople—changed everything.In this episode, we cover:The $5K → $12.5K Jump: How our HVAC average ticket actually scaled (and why it failed at first).Repair vs. Replacement: Why “fixing everything” was a disservice to homeowners and the business.Sales Process Evolution: From selling techs → comfort advisors → systemized selling.Software & Systems: How structured options unlocked premium equipment and IAQ sales.Financing Strategy: Why introducing financing early boosted close rates by 13% and added ~$6K per job.

We reveal the real cost of running a home service business in 2025. In this full debrief, we open our books to show why plumbing business growth exploded while HVAC stalled, and exactly how we navigated the hardest summer in years.If you run a contractor business, you know 2025 was volatile. HVAC shipments cratered 49% YoY, forcing operators to face a brutal reality. In this episode, we break down the massive gap between our plumbing wins and HVAC headwinds, why "Always Be Recruiting" became our #1 survival rule, and how total financial transparency saved our bottom line.In this episode, we cover:The Industry Reality: Why mild weather and refrigerant transitions crushed HVAC demand.The Recruiting Crisis: Why we lost key techs mid-summer and how we fixed our hiring pipeline.P&L Transparency: The actual impact of overhead, margins, and "fixed" costs on a trades business.2026 Strategy: Our plan for a "Lean & Lethal" operation and new acquisitions.

In this episode of Owned and Operated, John Wilson sits down with Sam Preston, CEO of Service Scalers, to break down one of the most overlooked (and misunderstood) marketing channels in home services: Nextdoor.They unpack why Nextdoor feels annoying—but works incredibly well when used the right way. From neighborhood recommendation posts to organic storytelling, this platform behaves less like Google Ads and more like a digital referral engine.John and Sam discuss why salesy ads and coupons usually flop, while real-world job photos, personal narratives, and community-driven content quietly generate high-intent leads. They also explore how small operators are winning big by treating Nextdoor like a mix of Google Business Profile + Facebook Groups, and why larger companies struggle to replicate that authenticity.The conversation covers the three ways to win on Nextdoor (ads, organic posting, and commenting), common mistakes contractors make, and how operators can turn technicians into content creators to scale neighborhood trust—without blowing up their marketing budget.If you're looking for more phone calls, higher close rates, and marketing that actually feels like referrals—this episode breaks down how to think about Nextdoor the right way.What You'll LearnWhy Nextdoor behaves more like referrals than traditional lead genThe three ways to market on Nextdoor (and which ones actually work)Why organic, narrative posts outperform coupons and adsHow small, local operators beat larger brands on trustThe role of social proof in neighborhood-driven platformsHow to turn field techs into authentic content creatorsThe biggest mistakes that get contractors ignored—or kicked offHost: John WilsonGuest: Sam Preston

In this episode of Owned and Operated, John Wilson and Jack break down what “smart investing” actually looks like for home service operators—starting with the truth most owners miss: if you run a business, you're already an investor. You're investing money, attention, and people every day.They start with a practical framework for P&L investing (software, headcount, SG&A): if your business sells for a multiple, then any new expense should produce a return that justifies that multiple—otherwise, you may be quietly reducing enterprise value.From there, they unpack the difference between balance sheet investments (trucks, equipment, inventory) vs P&L investments, why banks and buyers mostly care about EBITDA, and how focusing on fewer initiatives can drive more profitable growth.Then they shift into the “outside the business” conversation: when diversification helps, when it's a distraction, and how operators can think in two buckets—cash-flow assets that fund life, and enterprise-value assets that build wealth.If you're adding software, hiring leaders, buying equipment, or debating real estate vs reinvesting in the core business—this episode gives you a clean way to think about ROI, focus, and capital allocation.What You'll LearnWhy every operator is an investor (capital, people, and attention allocation)A simple rule for P&L expenses: should this generate a 3x+ return based on your business multiple?The difference between investing on the balance sheet vs the P&L

In this episode of Owned and Operated, John Wilson sits down with Aizik Zimerman of Jay Blanton Plumbing (Chicago) to break down the remote staffing playbook that most home service operators still aren't using.John and Aizik start with a real-world story from a contractor event—how one company allegedly went from $0 to $6M using yard signs, and how Aizik tested it immediately (including the “don't put them on every corner” lesson).Then they go deep on what actually drives scale: building a remote-first, offshore-heavy team that works in the real world. Aizik shares how his business grew to 140 employees with 50+ overseas team members, and how he structures offshore hiring across accounting, install coordination, marketing, recruiting, dispatch, and fleet coordination.They break down the “hub and spoke” model: keep your US leaders focused on thinking and decision-making, then build specialized offshore roles to handle execution—so your business moves faster without bloating payroll.If you're trying to expand coverage, build specialization early, or you've wondered whether recruiting + dispatch + ops coordination can really be offshored, this episode is the blueprint.What You'll LearnWhy “if it can be done remote, it can be done from anywhere”The hub & spoke model: US leaders + offshore execution podsHow Aizik offshores technician recruiting (and why it's a massive unlock)Which roles are easiest vs hardest to offshore (CSR vs dispatch/install coordination)How to reduce “overemployment” risk with real systems (Zoom rooms, accountability layers)Why you should default to remote-first hiring at any size—even at $500K/year

In this episode of Owned and Operated, John Wilson sits down with Sam Preston — CEO of Service Scalers — to talk about the marketing asset that still quietly outperforms everything else in home services: your Google Business Profile (GBP). John and Sam break down why AI hasn't disrupted GBP the way people expected, how Google reviews are now getting pulled directly into AI search results, and why “map pack visibility” remains the cheapest, highest-intent lead source in the game.They get tactical on what actually drives rankings and calls in 2026. Sam lays out the three biggest needle-movers — proximity, category/keyword strength, and reviews — and John shows how Wilson Companies invests roughly $10K/month into GBP because it drives roughly $500K/month in sales. They go deep on why location is a marketing decision, how to scale multiple profiles without overlapping service areas, and why most owners waste time optimizing tiny details before locking in the fundamentals.If your LSA performance is lagging, your organic lead volume feels capped, or you're planning multi-location growth next year, this episode is the blueprint for turning GBP into a compounding growth engine.What You'll LearnThe 3 ranking drivers that matter most: proximity, primary category, review cadenceWhy location is a marketing decision (and how it changes growth overnight)How to scale multi-trade businesses without confusing Google's category systemThe real review strategy: frequency, volume, quality, and photos

In this episode of Owned and Operated, John Wilson sits down with Ken Goodrich — legendary home services operator, turnaround specialist, and former CEO/Chairman of Goettl Air Conditioning & Plumbing — to unpack what it really takes to build, scale, and successfully exit a home service business.Ken shares the origin story that shaped his entire career: buying his first HVAC business at 25, getting crushed by payroll tax mistakes, and discovering The E-Myth at the exact moment everything fell apart. That wake-up call turned into a repeatable business-building playbook — one he's used to build and sell six home service companies, including taking Goettl from $11M in revenue and losing $3M to $250M across 11 locations and 1,000+ employees.John and Ken dig into the real mechanics of multi-location growth: why most owners hit a wall, how daily scoreboards and call-by-call discipline keep branches aligned, and what changes before you have a full senior leadership bench. Ken also lays out his view on the “sweet spot” for exits, when to bring on capital, and why operators should treat every growth phase like a 1,000-day value creation sprint.If you're thinking about acquisitions, preparing for multi-market expansion, or asking “when is the right time to take chips off the table?” — this episode is the blueprint.What You'll LearnHow Ken used E-Myth systems to go from tech-owner chaos to scalable processThe multi-branch management cadence that keeps remote locations on-trackWhy “easy lead years” create sloppy habits — and how to run with a scarcity mindsetThe real EBITDA thresholds that change your exit options and multiples

In this episode, John Wilson sits down with Patrick Dichter, owner of AppleTree Business Services, to break down what “good accounting” actually looks like inside a growing home service business — and why financial clarity becomes a competitive advantage as you scale.John opens up about a hard truth: he didn't get his first clean month-end close until last year, and it made almost a decade of decision-making harder than it needed to be. Patrick walks through the real stages most home service operators go through — from “Checkbook Charlie” to outsourced bookkeeping to in-house controllers — and the exact problems that show up at each stage.They dig into why growth eats cash even when the business is “doing everything right,” how bad accruals and broken CRM/accounting integrations quietly destroy margins, and what a simple cash forecast can do to keep you out of trouble. John also shares the painful lesson he learned in 2025: you can run a strong P&L and still get smoked on cash if you're not thinking about the balance sheet.If you've ever asked “where's my money?” while growing, struggled to trust your gross margin, or felt like your business is flying blind month-to-month — this one is for you.

In this episode, John Wilson is on-site in Chicago with Aizik Zimerman, owner of J.Blanton Plumbing, to break down how one of the fastest-growing plumbing companies in the country built a sewer and drain growth engine. Since buying the $6M Jay Blanton business at the end of 2022, Aizik has scaled it to ~$25M this year and a $30M run rate — and nearly half that growth is coming from sewers. They unpack the investments, the operational build-out, and the marketing + sales system that turned trenchless lining into a repeatable, high-volume profit center. Aizik shares the exact playbook behind his “Unclogs for Dogs” offer, why they send salespeople with cameras first (no junior drain tech flip), and how they price lining as the cheaper alternative to excavation to beat inertia and win the market. If you're trying to add $5–$10M of revenue through drains, improve close rates, or build a trenchless division that actually scales, this episode is a must-listen.What You'll LearnThe 2022 → 2025 growth story: $6M to $25M+ and what changed operationallyWhy Aizik bet big on sewers while competitors stayed HVAC-heavyThe economics of lining vs. digging: pricing, margins, and why “cheaper lining” winsHow a $1M+ CapEx investment (UV curing trailers, jetting, prep teams) unlocked volume

In this episode, John Wilson sits down with Daryna Kulya, co-founder of Quo (formerly OpenPhone), to unpack one of the most underappreciated growth levers in home services: how you communicate as you scale. What starts as “one tech, one phone, one truck” quickly becomes a bottleneck once you're trying to hire CSRs, build a call center, and stop missing leads. Daryna shares the real story behind Quo's rebrand, why they're building for the long term, and how modern phone + text workflows are evolving with AI.They dive into the hard operational truth most contractors learn too late: you don't feel the communication pain until your customers already do. From missed calls, speed-to-lead, shared inboxes, and staffing by the hour (not the day), to AI call agents that outperform voicemail 3x, this is a tactical conversation for any operator trying to grow past the owner-operator stage. If you're scaling HVAC, plumbing, electrical, restoration, or any service trade — and you want to stop leaking revenue through missed calls and messy handoffs — this one's a must-listen.What You'll LearnWhy Quo rebranded from OpenPhone — and what that signals about the future of communicationThe hidden scaling trap of using your personal cell numberWhen contractors hire CSRs too late (and step out too early)Why staffing by the day hides the real missed-call problem

In this episode, John Wilson and Brandon Niro are joined by Zac Dearing from Mantel for a fast-paced, trivia-style breakdown of what homeowners actually want when buying HVAC and home services in 2025. Mantel just surveyed 500+ homeowners nationwide, and instead of guessing in the dark like most of the industry, we put real customer data on the board. John and Brandon compete to predict homeowner behavior — how many contractors people call, where they find you, what earns trust, how pricing impacts decisions, and what parts of the sales process truly move the needle.The results are a gut-check for any contractor, operator, or sales leader. Homeowners are still overwhelmingly finding contractors through Google and repeat relationships, AI search is basically nonexistent (despite all the noise), and reviews dominate how people assess quality. Even more interesting: millennials and baby boomers shop very differently, and the “price objection” narrative isn't as universal as we treat it in training. If you're trying to improve close rate, tighten your sales process, build real trust in the home, or decide how transparent to be with pricing and warranties, this episode is stacked with insights you can act on immediately.What You'll LearnHow many contractors homeowners contact before choosing oneThe real top channels homeowners use to find contractors in 2025Why AI search (ChatGPT/Perplexity/Claude) isn't driving discovery yet

In this episode, John Wilson sits down with Richard Dunbar of FieldPulse to dig into one of the most important — and often overlooked — levers for scaling a home service company: modernizing your operational platform. Whether you're running HVAC, plumbing, electrical, restoration, or any specialty trade, the shift from legacy tools to a true field service management system (FSM) is one of the highest-ROI moves you can make. Richard and John break down how contractors are ditching whiteboards, Excel boards, paper invoices, and manual dispatching in favor of flat-rate pricing systems, centralized pricebooks, technician-friendly workflows, real-time visibility, and true operational clarity.What You'll LearnWhy legacy systems cap your growthHow flat-rate pricing really worksWhere the real ROI of FSM software comes fromHow to remove friction from the entire customer journey The #1 mistake contractors make when trying to scale revenue 

In this episode, John Wilson and guest Rich Jordan dig into one of the scariest (and most valuable) moves you can make in home service: rebranding multiple companies into a single brand.Rich runs three acquired companies across New Hampshire and New Jersey…and he's in the middle of rolling them all into one new identity: High Ground Service Pros. They walk through why he's willingly tearing down a strong local brand (Sanford), what's driving the decision, and how he's trying to avoid losing customers, culture, or SEO in the process.From “house of brands” vs “branded house” to truck wraps, domains, Google Business Profiles, and core values (“seize the high ground”), this is a tactical conversation for anyone growing through acquisition or multi-market expansion.What You'll LearnWhen to keep multiple brands vs. going all-in on one — and how that choice impacts growth, culture, and marketing.How to execute a rebrand without losing customers — scripts, GBPs, websites, and call center tactics that actually work.Where the real ROI comes from — SEO, media, and operational focus once every truck and trade is under a single name.

In this episode, John Wilson and co-host Jack Carr unpack one of the biggest transitions in home service — going from owner to operator. What does it really take to scale beyond yourself? We dive deep into building layers of leadership, knowing when to delegate, hiring vs. promoting internally, and what the first real leadership hire should look like. From service managers and field supers to accountability systems and EOS, this one's for owners ready to break through bottlenecks and build real organizational depth.You'll hear real playbooks from $1M to $40M+ companies—how John and Jack each handled growth bottlenecks, where they stumbled, and what they'd do differently.What You'll LearnBottlenecks by Design: How to identify when you've outgrown your org chart. First Leaders: The real tipping point for adding service managers, CSRs, and field supers. Hiring vs. Promoting: When internal leadership makes sense—and when it doesn't. Accountability That Sticks: How to keep KPIs and culture aligned as you scale. Delegation Done Right: The tasks owners should've offloaded yesterday. Revenue-Focused Management: Why your first manager should drive numbers, not just tech skill.

In this episode, John Wilson and co-host Jack Carr break down how home-service companies can actually future-proof in 2025: flattening org charts, using AI to nuke overhead, building adaptable teams, and keeping a balance sheet that can take a 30% punch. We get into real numbers (gross margin, overhead targets, EBITDA), how to think about “risk on” vs. “risk off,” and why the middle of the market gets squeezed when big operators cut costs with automation.You'll hear play-by-plays on automating call centers, choosing what to systematize vs. keep human, when to de-lever, and how to bob-and-weave against giants who pass cost savings straight into marketing.What You'll LearnPeople vs. Systems: The two ways to future-proof—and how to train for adaptability.Automation That Moves the P&L: Where AI actually drops overhead (call center, dispatch, admin).Healthy by Design: Gross margin, overhead, and cash targets that create real nimbleness.Debt & “Risk Off”: How interest rates change the game and when to prioritize de-levering.Competing with Giants: What to do when national players cut cost structures by ~8–10 pts.Numbers First: Why you can't future-proof if you don't know your break-even.

In this episode, John Wilson sits down with Brandon Schlicter—better known as Investment Joy—to unpack how a viral laundromat video turned into a portfolio of laundromats, car washes, rentals, and now a fast-scaling commercial roofing company. Brandon shares the mindset shift from small plays to bigger bets, why he assumes success (and plans for failure), and how social media distribution can attract capital, deal flow, and talent.You'll hear the real numbers on union commercial roofing (margins, ticket sizes, pay cycles), how to decide between lots of small jobs vs. fewer big ones, and why “every business either sells or shuts down.” We also dig into storm-driven market entry, travel crews, and what it actually takes to scale estimation capacity and cash flow when receivables hit seven figures.

 In this episode, John Wilson sits down with Jamie from Modernize to unpack how a consumer-obsessed mindset is reshaping home services—from the first inquiry to the final install. They dig into why “experience always wins,” how answer engine optimization (AE/O) is changing search, and what a true platform approach looks like when lead gen, reputation, financing, and programmatic all work together. You'll hear how Modernize is building for the full funnel, why smaller, fast-moving operators can out-execute well-funded incumbents, and how to prioritize innovation without getting whiplash from weekly tech shifts.

In this follow-up to our Premier Home Pros deep dive, John Wilson sits back down with AJ and Noah to unpack how they turned six greenfield locations into a nationwide engine doing $170 M+ run-rate—without outside debt. They break down the playbook for market launches, recruiting, and leadership restructuring that turned chaos into scale.Hear how they rebuilt their org for hypergrowth—cutting the VP layer, adding regional pods, promoting from within, and launching Zoom-based sales training that doubled new-rep output. You'll also hear the real numbers behind marketing mix, payback windows, and bonus-driven sales comp that pushed them to record volume.If you're trying to scale a home-service brand fast—but profitably—this is your blueprint for people, process, and playbook.