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Sports Cards Live episode 287, Part 1. Jeremy sits down with Joe Poirot to kick off the night, then Leighton Sheldon jumps in for a deep dive on the headline sale of the 1914 Baltimore News Babe Ruth that just hammered around 4M after a prior 7.2M comp. We unpack why rare does not always equal iconic, how schedule issues compare to Goudey Ruths, and what “value” means when a card trades so infrequently. From there we zoom out to the auction landscape: shill bidding realities, house bidding on behalf of consignors, and reserves—how they work, where they are disclosed, and how buyers can protect themselves. Jeremy shares a Classic Auctions mail day, completing a 1952 Parkhurst “flight” with Rocket Richard alongside Gordie Howe, Terry Sawchuk, and Tim Horton, plus a fun pickup of game-used Mats Sundin gloves. We also touch on Probstein moving off eBay to SNYPE, Fanatics vault strategies, and using Card Ladder to sanity-check comps. What you'll learn Why the Baltimore News Ruth can lag iconic appeal despite extreme rarity How auction house reserves and house bids can affect bidding behavior Practical tactics to limit shill exposure set a ceiling price and stick to it How “flight collecting” works as a middle path between set and type collecting Vintage hockey targets in 1951–52 Parkhurst and why they resonate Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Chat goes nuclear on PSA upcharges: what happens when you pull a monster and can't afford the fee—do you sell the card to pay PSA? We tackle “predatory vs free market,” whether fees should be based on raw value (not the grade PSA assigns), guarantee caps and submitter exclusions, SGC/Beckett “a grade behind” takes, and why some collectors want a flat-fee or opt-out guarantee. We close with practical drought hacks—enjoying your existing PC, dollar-box therapy, and balancing content consumption vs actually playing with your cards. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Community crossfire with Chris McGill & Josh Adams. Joe signs off and we sprint through 70+ starred comments: Is PSA's upcharge model fair capitalism or a predatory practice? Would a flat-fee grading tier solve the rage (and reduce cheap slabs)? Who actually benefits from the PSA guarantee—and why doesn't the submitter get it? We dig into Nat Turner's pre-ownership take vs today, authenticity vs condition guarantees, and the collector vs flipper divide. Jeremy also shares a real $6,000 guarantee payout story—and the designer-clothes analogy for why slabs drive value even though the card hasn't changed. Highlights Flat-fee grading idea: demand control, less plastic, fewer low-value slabs Free market lens vs “predatory” framing—who's choosing to pay? Guarantee realities: per-card and lifetime caps, submitter exclusion “Buy the card, not the slab” vs registry/set-building culture Do changing standards make old grades obsolete? Expiring-grade thought experiment Collector feedback as a feature, not a bug—why companies should listen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jeremy and Dylan gush over modern executions of vintage designs—Topps Chrome refractor tributes (think '52 Mantle), Heritage retrofractors, and even OPC “blast from the past”-style rookies—and why some tributes can look better than the originals. Joe shares a missed Ohtani Topps Heritage 1/1 (yes, Superfractor, not “gold vinyl”), and Dylan makes the case for enjoying vintage players on modern tech as a smart, budget-friendly lane. Mid-segment, Mikey Singer (Sport Card Expo/Strongsville) pops in to show his completed 1990–92 Upper Deck Heroes auto run, plug next week's VGLX gaming show, and share November Expo details—including on-site grading. Highlights Why refractor/retrofractor tributes of icons (Mantle, Hank, Nolan, Gretzky) can out-aesthetic the originals Heritage Retrofractor full-set love (hockey) and why “modern retro” scratches the vintage itch Prism/Optic vs Topps Chrome: year-to-year design, surface “shine,” and where Fanatics needs to improve Dylan's encouragement to vintage die-hards: try shiny—safely and cheaply Intermission with Mikey Singer: Completed UD Heroes autographs run ('90–'92) VGLX gaming & culture show (video games, TCG, indie devs, AMD/MSI free-play, cosplay) Sport Card Expo Toronto (Nov 6–9): PSA & Beckett on-site; TAG taking subs; stage/Q&A teasers Nostalgia side quest: Vectrex mini chatter + retro consoles Listen + support Follow Sports Cards Live on Apple Podcasts and Spotify, and please leave a quick rating or review. Subscribe on YouTube so you don't miss Parts 4–5 of Episode 286. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We dig deeper into grading: does the era a card was graded matter as much as the number on the flip? Joe explains why he now checks the grade date on vintage, Dylan lays out why consistency beats luck, and we examine whether PSA's upcharge model creates a financial interest in the cards they grade. Then Dylan pivots to “hobby firsts” and Topps lineage: Mantle's retired card number 7, the first Topps Chrome refractors, golds numbered to the year, and the rise of printing plates. If you're moving from Prizm into the Topps world for basketball (and football soon), this is a primer. Highlights The Era of the Slab: why 2021–2025 grades can land 1–2 steps lower PSA upcharges, guarantees, and the “financial interest” debate Consistency vs opinion: AI grading's promise and TAG's role PSA vs SGC vs BGS/BVG: perceived strictness and crossover realities Dylan's “grade your own” approach: museum-style labels and more info on the flip Topps lineage + hobby firsts: Mantle's retired #7 in Topps base and its return years 1996 Topps Chrome refractors and why that first matters Golds numbered to the year and 2009 Chrome Gold /50 Printing plates (CMYK): how to evaluate cyan, magenta, yellow, black Practical takeaways for collectors shifting from Panini to Topps Listen + support Follow Sports Cards Live on Apple Podcasts and Spotify, and please drop a quick rating or review. Subscribe on YouTube so you don't miss Parts 3–5 from Episode 286. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Episode 286 of Sports Cards Live kicks off with a candid look at PSA upcharges: are we paying for plastic or for an opinion that the hobby itself has elevated in value? Jeremy explains why he now prioritizes eye appeal and authentication over chasing a number, Joe talks risk, liquidity, and legacy planning as reasons collectors still slab, and we tackle the “pop control vs tougher standards” question head on. Dylan Davis joins near the end for what becomes an epic episode of SCL! Highlights PSA upcharges: insurance, incentives, and the “sell-it-immediately” dilemma for modern cards Are we enabling the premium? How the hobby built PSA's value differential Inconsistency vs opinion: why Jeremy trusts his own eye over the flip Eye appeal over grade: centered, lower-grade vintage that still pops “Population control” or simply tighter standards on low-pop icons Security and liquidity: reasons to grade even if you are not selling Calgary show recap: 2023–24 Upper Deck Outburst Gold 1/1 Anthony Stolarz The Cup Dual Patch Auto /35: Mario Lemieux and Steve Yzerman Toronto Sport Card Expo notes: new booth 1707 with Sam Genova, Thursday night GP Sports social at Arizona's with giveaways Listen + support Follow Sports Cards Live on Apple Podcasts and Spotify, and please leave a quick rating or review. It helps more collectors find the show. Subscribe on YouTube for the full livestream every Saturday night and to catch Parts 2–5 from Episode 286. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Consensus is fading—and that's okay. We dig into why today's hobby thrives without a single authority, how to think for yourself on rookie designations and comp use, and when it's smart to pay ahead for a true keeper. We also hit BIN vs. auction dynamics, social media's role in fragmenting opinion, and practical deal safety (escrow, in-person, and why G&S isn't a force field). Quick Expo talk to close it out. Highlights “No boss in the hobby”: more voices, fewer absolutes, better collecting Comps as guidance, not gospel—especially for non-fungible copies and 1/1s BIN patience vs. auction urgency: timing, visibility, and outcome gaps Rookie debates (e.g., dating/labeling issues) and why consensus shifts Buyer mindset: pay now vs. pay more later for rare, eye-appeal pieces Safer transactions: escrow for big deals, in-person meets, and G&S limits Support the show Enjoying Sports Cards Live? Follow and rate the podcast, share this episode with a hobby friend, and turn on notifications so you never miss a new segment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Comps are a data point—not the destination. We dig into context-sensitive pricing: how eye appeal and scarcity challenge the “last sale,” why off-record deals distort the public picture, and when Buy-It-Now patience outperforms auctions. We also hit scan-to-comp tools, the role of auction-house marketing in setting records, and the buyer psychology behind paying “next year's price” to land true keepers. A brief Pokémon retail dust-up kicks things off, then it's all cards. Highlights Context over copy-paste: eye appeal premiums/discounts and non-fungible grades The “invisible comps” problem: shows, LCS, and private sales that never hit databases BIN vs. auction: patience premium, missing bidders, vacations, and timing risk Tech on the table: scan your slab to pull sales history and comparable results Marketing matters: how better storytelling/presentation can lift auction outcomes Buyer psychology: paying ahead for rare pieces, shifting tastes, and triangulating value Practical takeaways: use comps as guidance, track your own private sales, and price to sell Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Pricing isn't just “check a comp.” We dig into price discovery: how vendors set numbers on the floor, why eye appeal (centering, strength/weakness for the grade) can trump the last sale, and where “invisible comps”—private deals and off-platform sales—shape the real market. Dan Bliss stays on to share a dealer's playbook for fair, competitive pricing and fast inventory turnover, and Leighton Sheldon joins to weigh in on rare cards, negotiation ethics, and keeping your own private sales data. Highlights Competitive vs. cushion pricing: why marking 20–30% over comps can stall your table Eye appeal premium/discounts: strong-for-grade vs. off-center within the same numeric grade Commoditized cards vs. scarce pieces: when comps matter—and when they don't “Invisible comps”: private show/LCS/Facebook deals that never hit public databases Buying etiquette: avoiding “lowball” moments, respecting sellers, and still getting to yes Collector vs. flipper negotiations: why intent shouldn't change fair pricing Practical takeaways: price to sell, track your own private sales, refresh inventory often Support the show Enjoying Sports Cards Live? Follow and rate the podcast, share this episode with a hobby friend, and turn on notifications so you never miss a new segment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Card shows keep getting bigger — but how are the best operators keeping up with the scale? With 400–600 tables, 8K+ attendees, and serious floor activity, the modern show is a different animal. Dan Bliss from Front Row Card Show joins the conversation to break down how they manage rapid growth, vendor mix, security measures, and why vintage remains a powerful draw. Highlights Expansion from Vegas to 7 major cities with strong collector turnout How wristbanding, vendor controls, and on-site police keep shows secure 400–600 table scale and 8K+ attendee crowds Real numbers: six-figure deals on the floor including a $300K 1952 Topps set Balancing Pokémon growth without losing the sports card identity Collector talk: eye appeal, storytelling, and why some lower-grade cards are irreplaceable Support the show If you enjoy Sports Cards Live, follow and rate the podcast, share this episode with a hobby friend, and turn on notifications so you never miss a new segment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We kick off Part 1 with collector Zach Tarhini sharing a cautionary tale about a high-end Lionel Messi card deal that went sideways after paying by PayPal Goods & Services. Zach explains how the seller linked to Metaverse Cards refused to refund, PayPal twice ruled against him, and why their “for resale” carve-out left him exposed. We talk practical safeguards for private transactions, alternatives to consider, and how this kind of outcome could affect hobby confidence. Dan Bliss of Front Row Card Show joins at the end and reacts from a show-runner's point of view. Highlights The deal: targeting a 2022 World Cup Messi Impeccable/Imminence auto and why Zach felt safe using Goods & Services What went wrong: refund refusal, dispute timeline, and PayPal closing in the seller's favor The fine print: how a “for resale” interpretation can negate buyer protection Risk management: reputational checks, marketplace layers, notes in payment, and when to prefer in-person deals Broader impact: how fear around payments could ripple into bidding and liquidity Dan Bliss on best practices for show transactions Support the show Subscribe, rate, and review Sports Cards Live. Share this episode with a hobby friend who buys and sells online. Turn on notifications so you never miss a new segment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to the debut episode of Booth Mates, a brand new live stream on Sports Cards Live hosted by Jeremy Lee and his longtime Toronto Sport Card Expo booth partner and good friend, Sam Genova. The plan is to do this show every two weeks. For over five years, Jeremy and Sam have been set up side by side at card shows, building not only their collections but also a strong friendship and countless stories from life behind the booth. Now they're sharing that camaraderie with the hobby in a relaxed, unfiltered conversation series. In Episode 1, Intervendor Etiquette and Tales from the Schwan, we recap our recent trip to the Saskatchewan Card and Collector Experience in Saskatoon. Jeremy traveled in from Calgary, Sam flew in from Toronto, and together we share highlights from the show, behind-the-scenes booth stories, and lessons every dealer, vendor, and collector can relate to.

We ask why value dominates hobby conversation—and whether comps have become a shortcut that replaces independent thought. The panel dissects price as a heuristic, the risks of “comps culture,” and real show-floor scenarios when no comp exists. Then: the 1951 Bowman vs. 1952 Topps Mantle debate, a Bond Bread Jackie Robinson rabbit hole, Messi Mega Cracks headline math, and whether an “oddball era” is arriving. We close by questioning why collectors seek non-hobby approval and revisit whether cards were ever truly “for kids.” Highlights Price as shorthand vs. context: when comps help—and when they mislead Show tactics with no comp: fairness, phone-a-friend, and game theory 51 Bowman (rookie) vs. 52 Topps (icon): “scoreboard” vs. what you value Bond Bread Jackie primer and the case for mispriced early/rarer issues Flippers, bounties, pumps: predatory cases vs. real services Do outsiders' opinions matter? Ego, validation, and why context wins Origins chat: tobacco & candy tie-ins, Rogers Peet, business-card roots Mailday: 2007 The Cup All-Star Royalty Bobby Orr auto /7 cameo Recorded live Sept 27, 2025 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Part 4 opens with a candid design Q&A: why some modern hockey releases skip the embossed Upper Deck logo, how chrome stock and foiling budgets force trade-offs, and what it's like to keep your collector passion while building products—and reading the comments. Then we shift into a lively roundtable on flippers: the value they add, the “predatory” edge cases, bounty culture, and the dreaded “flipper vortex.” We also hit a research detour on Bond Bread Jackie Robinson, the coming “oddball era,” and where star-power vs. mainstream truly sits. Highlights Emboss vs. chrome: cost math, insert priorities, and why not every set can have everything Working in cards without losing the love; taking criticism vs. finding real feedback Flippers: service vs. scalping, pumps, selling before owning, and game-theory tactics for buyers Bond Bread Jackie primer and a case for rising “oddball” interest Quick hitters: requests for RPAs in SPx, Original Six centennial sets buzz, and living-set/gamified ideas for families Recorded Live Sept 27, 2027 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Part 3 shifts from chat-fueled fireworks to a nuts-and-bolts look at how modern hockey cards get made. We dig into why players sometimes miss checklists, how budget and foiling choices shape designs, balancing beloved inserts (Jambalaya, Platinum Portraits) against over-saturation, and what it takes to engineer the “next PMG.” We also touch on PWHL product plans and why thoughtful innovation matters more than ever. Highlights Live-room energy: 200+ in chat, quick nods to a Marc-André Fleury “swan song” moment and a Barkov knee news blip What companies can actually do for collectors: concrete, collector-first thinking from the product side Checklist realities: autographs, game-used, licensing/approvals, and why “just add Player X” isn't simple Cost vs wow-factor: spectrum deco foil, high-gloss choices, and why some designs get cut to hit budgets Insert strategy: keeping Jambalaya/Platinum Portraits special while avoiding annual overuse and fatigue Designing a new chase: how “Liquid Gold” became a true insert hit (tough odds, no parallels) and the blueprint for future chases PWHL roadmap: building excitement without copy-pasting NBA/WNBA formulas; fresh mechanics for a new audience Family/on-ramp ideas: hobby “quests,” living-set vibes, and gamified projects that bring kids into collecting Player-collector lens: why team/player collectors still want firsts (e.g., a legend's first Jambalaya) even if the theme returns Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We shift from rookie-year labeling debates to the modern marketplace: the “Hot Potato Era,” flipping vs curating, and whether today's changes help sellers more than collectors. We also unpack Tiffany vs Star distribution, value obsession in hobby content, and the longevity vs greatness debate across eras. Highlights Tiffany vs Star cleared up: factory-set Tiffany vs team-bag Star, and why distribution rules complicate “rookie” status The Hot Potato Era: cards resold within days, instant “resell” buttons, and PSA-to-market liquidity without touching the card Flipper vs curator: moving inventory for profit vs actively upgrading a personal collection The content effect: “I spent $50,000” thumbnails, sensationalism, and how it shapes newcomers' expectations Value vs appreciation: the watch-collector analogy and Iowa Dave's prompt to rank your top cards by meaning, not money Private whales exist: the low-visibility collector with a T206 Wagner and why many serious collectors stay off-camera Are flippers good for the ecosystem? Card finders who surface hard-to-find PC targets across shows and regions Do hobby leaders want growth or guardrails? Protecting new entrants vs chasing headlines Longevity vs greatness: Kareem's MJ vs LeBron framing, Sandy Koufax's peak, Pujols first 10 vs second 10, and why era normalization matters Era traps in stats: dead-ball realities, ballpark dimensions, lowered mound, pitch-speed measurement changes, and why all-time lists are tricky “Everything helps sellers” debate: box prices, eBay authentication and resell tools, buyer's premiums vs collector benefits Counterpoints: liquidity is higher than ever, more leverage with auction houses, easier buying and selling for everyday collectors Open challenge: what could manufacturers, graders, and marketplaces do that truly benefits collectors without reducing profits? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We kick off Episode 284 with Joe Poirot and dive straight into the psychology of restraint during a red-hot market. Joe explains selling into a war chest, nearly firing on a few big cards, and why he chose patience over retail therapy. Then hobby president John Mangini joins to unpack why grading labels still say 1948 Leaf when the research points to 1949, how that impacts Jackie Robinson's “true” rookie landscape, and why accuracy on flips matters for new and seasoned collectors alike. Highlights Jeremy's long day at the Southern Alberta Card Show and why he was still wired Building a war chest: selling steadily to fund one hallmark card Choosing not to buy on a big auction night and how to manage the letdown Vintage vs modern targeting: 1952 Topps Jackie, T206 Cobb, 1990s Star Rubies out of 50, Exquisite LeBron, and a Wizards-era Jordan auto Why “feel it in your gut” beats forcing a justification on a major purchase Market reality check: fewer slips through the cracks when everything is hot The hobby friend advantage: having a second set of eyes before a big bid John Mangini on flip accuracy: 1948 Leaf vs 1949 Leaf and why it should change Other label fixes discussed: Home Run Derby 1959 vs 1960, W555 roster tells, Scrapps Tobacco, Bond Bread vs Star Subjects Rookie card logic in the wild: 1952 Topps Mantle as a first Topps, not a rookie 1984 Star vs 1986 Fleer Jordan and how distribution rules get misused Why research matters: matching photos and dates, Net54 deep dives, and what graders should own in identification Recorded live Sept 27, 2025 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is a one-off pre-recorded episode. PSA 10 vs PSA 9 isn't what you think. Patrick Ryan (P. Ryan Collection / Uncut Cardboard) breaks down phantom POPs, crack-and-cross risks, and why eye appeal often beats the number on the label, plus how he's reshaping his collection around story and provenance. We cover: Origins & early wins: 1988 Topps start, autograph chasing in Houston, Giannis and Luka moves that funded vintage icons. The multi-sport autograph grail: completing a single piece signed by Babe Ruth, Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky, Lionel Messi, and Tom Brady — and how it changed his curation. Provenance in practice: the 1914 Cracker Jack Joe Jackson that moved from Patrick to Jeremy, and why public provenance matters. The 100-card case, evolved: why Patrick is shrinking to a ~25-item core and prioritizing rarer pieces with better stories. Grading realities: PSA 10 vs 9 vs 8 deltas, resubmissions, “phantom population,” standard drift, and practical buying cautions. Slab choices by use case: PSA, BGS, SGC, TAG, CGC — clarity, stackability, presentation. Modern vs vintage: lower technical grades with elite eye appeal as a value unlock. Patches & game-used: rookie photo-shoot vs second-year game-used and why disclosures matter. Collector/Investor: funding the next PC piece without losing the soul of the collection. Buyer beware: undersized cards, authentic-altered labels, and documentation gaps. If you enjoyed this conversation, drop a comment with your biggest takeaway — and tell us where you land on the collector–investor spectrum. Follow Patrick: @pryancollection • @uncutcardboard Follow Jeremy: @jlee_sportscardslive Sponsor Note:  Go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠hellofresh.com/cards10fm⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ now to get 10 free meals plus a free item for life, one per box with active subscription free meals applied as a discount on the first box. New subscribers only, and it varies by plan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We close out Ep. 283 with a lively community-driven roundtable: the crew weighs Panini's legacy through the lens of “gems buried in lots of sand”—from NT vs. Immaculate vs. Flawless to the elegance (and divisiveness) of Noir, the utility of Contenders (on-card autos, Cracked Ice), and why Chronicles is a sneaky fun rip. We get into game-used vs. player-worn history, rising memorabilia costs, and Fanatics/Topps' patch-authentication innovations. Then a spicy market segment: the Messi Megacracks 71 Bis jump (≈$5K → $28K), FAMHO (fear of having missed out), hype cycles, and whether spikes are organic demand or manufactured heat. Plus: redemptions fatigue, release-schedule wishes, and final shout-outs before Jeremy hits the road for Lethbridge. Recorded live Sept 20, 2025 Sponsor Note:  Go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠hellofresh.com/cards10fm⁠⁠⁠⁠ now to get 10 free meals plus a free item for life, one per box with active subscription free meals applied as a discount on the first box. New subscribers only, and it varies by plan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Chris McGill and Josh Adams join Jeremy to unpack the post-Adam Martin discussion and press into the biggest questions of the moment: Can Topps/Fanatics instantly stand up high-end basketball brands to replace National Treasures/Flawless/Immaculate, or are we headed for high-end uncertainty in a truly new basketball card era? They get into allocations, LCS margins, breaker dynamics, and whether live platforms tilt the field. The trio “eulogizes” the Panini era—gold /10, black 1/1s, shields/logomen, and the rise of case hits (Kaboom, Downtown, Color Blast)—and asks if we're ready for “kabooms without logos.” On the legal front, Josh flags potential antitrust and injunction scenarios, why timelines drag, and how outcomes could reshape competition. Plus: a shout-out to Dave & Adam's for surfacing early MJ 1/1s (and how one just resurfaced on Fanatics Collect). Smart, candid hobby talk with real implications for collectors, shops, and breakers. Recorded live Sept 20, 2025 Sponsor Note:  Go to ⁠⁠⁠hellofresh.com/cards10fm⁠⁠⁠ now to get 10 free meals plus a free item for life, one per box with active subscription free meals applied as a discount on the first box. New subscribers only, and it varies by plan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jeremy welcomes Adam Martin (Dave & Adam's Card World) for a deep dive on the hobby's biggest pivot: Topps/Fanatics taking over the NBA license and what it means for Panini, breakers, and LCSs. Adam lays out the near-term timeline around Topps' Oct 23 launch, why Panini isn't going away (expect player-licensed basketball), and how pricing and allocations could shift as Fanatics spreads product more widely. They get tactical for shop owners and breakers, dynamic pricing, the loss of Flawless/Treasure margins, and why high-end basketball may thin out initially while Topps builds premium brands. On live commerce, they compare Whatnot vs. Fanatics Live vs. eBay Live, and talk through the risk/reward if Fanatics favors breakers on its own platform. Macro factors hit the table too: Walmart's booth at the National, GameStop's hobby push, distributors pivoting (hello, Pokémon), and how World Cup Prism keeps catalyzing soccer. The segment closes on market psychology: the $12.93M Jordan–Kobe Logoman, Kevin O'Leary's capital, whether modern records trigger more supply, and why the best copies may disappear into “forever collections.” Insight-packed, candid, and grounded—this is your field guide to the post-license-swap era. Recorded live Sept 20, 2025 Sponsor Note:  Go to ⁠⁠⁠hellofresh.com/cards10fm⁠⁠⁠ now to get 10 free meals plus a free item for life, one per box with active subscription free meals applied as a discount on the first box. New subscribers only, and it varies by plan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In Part 1 of Episode 283 of Sports Cards Live, Jeremy Lee is joined by co-host Joe Poirot for a wide-ranging hobby conversation. The guys kick things off with announcements about upcoming shows, bonus episodes, and community shoutouts before diving deep into one of the hottest topics in the hobby right now: vaults and grading. Jeremy and Joe discuss: How vaults like Fanatics Collect, PSA, COMC, and ShipMyCards are reshaping the collector experience The pros and cons of using vaults for security, liquidity, and convenience Jeremy's first-ever PSA submission through COMC and why the simplicity won him over Whether vaults are really for collectors or just fueling flippers The heated question: Is card grading a scam… or just a sham? A fun thought experiment: what cards would Joe buy if his collection vanished and insurance made him start from scratch The live chat also jumps in with sharp insights, challenges, and hobby banter, making this a classic Sports Cards Live Saturday night discussion. Recorded Sept 20, 2025 Sponsor Note:  Go to ⁠⁠hellofresh.com/cards10fm⁠⁠ now to get 10 free meals plus a free item for life, one per box with active subscription free meals applied as a discount on the first box. New subscribers only, and it varies by plan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We close out with Chris HOJ and Josh Adams and dig into hobby risk and reward. We revisit the Gretzky vs Messi debate, then unpack PSA's guarantee caps and what happens when a pop two becomes a pop one after an autograph. We talk through why someone might crack a seven-figure Gretzky, the record price for an autographed rookie, and whether you would rather have a 10 holder or a 9 with a 10 auto. Chris shares two telling charts on Fanatics Collect Premier: trading card lots climbing from ~120 early in the year to ~400 this month. We consider post-National consignment waves, private deals moving to public auctions, and simple supply and demand. Josh recaps his 90s auction, explains smart consolidation into a grail, and we each answer whether the current surge makes us sell or hold. We finish on whether a modern card holding the all-time record feels right, and why some vintage pieces may still be more valuable even without a recent public sale. Recorded: September 13, 2025 Sponsor Note:  Go to ⁠hellofresh.com/cards10fm⁠ now to get 10 free meals plus a free item for life, one per box with active subscription free meals applied as a discount on the first box. New subscribers only, and it varies by plan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We continue with Graig Miller and Leighton Sheldon, then bring on Chris HOJ and Josh Adams before Graig and Leighton sign off. Leighton puts a real-world choice to the panel: 1992 Upper Deck Michael Jordan 15,000 Point Club PSA 10 around a thousand, or 1993 Ultra Power in the Key PSA 9 around thirteen hundred. We walk through a clean decision framework that weighs playing-days status, design appeal, pop counts, grade premiums, and how much future value should matter when you are buying for joy. Josh casts his vote for the 15,000 Point Club, and Chris explains why earlier inserts and lower pops can be decisive. We close with a market gut check using Messi's surging Megacracks PSA 10 and a Gretzky comparison. Chris lays out recent public private sales, pops, and why skepticism can be healthy when prices sprint. We also touch on league scale, cultural pull, and what “GOAT” means when you try to price it. Highlights A practical head-to-head: MJ 15,000 Point Club PSA 10 vs Power in the Key PSA 9 How to break ties: playing days, aesthetics, pop reports, and budget discipline Chat perspectives on collecting for love vs future value Messi Megacracks PSA 10 run, pop context, and why to sanity-check bull markets Gretzky as a useful comp when defining GOAT and market depth Segment ends with Jeremy, Chris, and Josh Recorded: Saturday, September 13, 2025 Sponsor Note:  Go to ⁠hellofresh.com/cards10fm⁠ now to get 10 free meals plus a free item for life, one per box with active subscription free meals applied as a discount on the first box. New subscribers only, and it varies by plan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Leighton Sheldon joins Jeremy and Graig Miller and we keep the trio together through the end of this part. We start with Strongsville chatter and a Savannah Bananas detour, then dive into the Messi vs Gretzky question. From there it is vintage talk in a frothy market, including being priced out of grails like 1914 and 1915 Cracker Jack Shoeless Joe Jackson, how to pivot without quitting, and why lowering grade expectations can unlock iconic cards. Leighton previews AuctionWire.ai for live auction discovery, and we swap stories about provenance, kid handwriting on the backs, and why value vintage boxes can hook new collectors. We wrap by agreeing the thrill of the hunt keeps the hobby fun, even when prices are tough. Highlights Strongsville vibes and first takes on Savannah Bananas cards Messi vs Gretzky and how worldwide relevance intersects with hobby demand When a grail runs away: consolidate, pivot, or lower the slab grade target Cracker Jack Shoeless Joe, Jordan inserts, and strategies when pricing surges AuctionWire.ai preview for tracking live auctions and fixed price marketplaces Provenance and story value: writing on cards, original owner paths, loved copies Value vintage boxes and easy entry points for new collectors Part concludes with Jeremy, Graig, and Leighton still on the mics Recorded: Saturday, September 13, 2025 Sponsor Note:  Go to ⁠hellofresh.com/cards10fm⁠ now to get 10 free meals plus a free item for life, one per box with active subscription free meals applied as a discount on the first box. New subscribers only, and it varies by plan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We continue with Joe Poirot from Santa Cruz and Graig Miller of Midlife Cards to unpack the PSA ex-employee interview, NDAs, research room mechanics, potential bias, and why transparency and grader notes still lag. Jeremy recalls a 2009 PSA tour, we react to regrade experiments and consistency concerns, and debate what is truly bubble resistant: low supply icons or well centered, high eye appeal copies. Then it is the set registry's relevance, whether graders should be certified and better paid, and Joe signs off while teeing up a Messi vs Gretzky GOAT question for later. Highlights NDA takeaways and research room vs grading room implications Tours, grader notes, and whether new tech equals tougher grading Regrade experiments, inconsistency, and the cost of resubs What holds value best: low supply icons vs centered, high eye appeal copies Set registry reality: leaderboard vs true card quality Should graders be certified and paid like professionals Part wraps with Joe's exit and a Messi vs Gretzky prompt for later Recorded: Saturday, September 13, 2025 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Episode 282, Part 1 of Sports Cards Live kicks off with Joe Poirot from Santa Cruz as we dig into whether the hobby is frothy or in a full bubble, how injuries to Brock Purdy and Caitlin Clark ripple through prices, and why strong eye appeal in lower grades continues to command premiums. We also explore consolidation strategy, Fanatics and the 10x idea, record-setting sales bringing new attention to the market, and grading transparency with a visit from Graig Miller of Midlife Cards. Highlights Are we in a bubble or just a frothy upswing Brock Purdy and Caitlin Clark injuries and market impact Paying over comps for low grade, high eye appeal vintage Vault proceeds and the backdoor consolidation play What “10x the hobby” really means Record sales, attention, and demand The grading black box: standards, tech, and transparency Recorded: Saturday, September 13, 2025 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Part 5 zeroes in on the record $12.9M Kobe/MJ Exquisite Dual Logoman: is it a true comp or a one-off outlier? We dig into why this sale triggered stronger reactions than Wagner/Mantle results, the marketing/use-case angle (Schemes/Dick's as precedent), and how headlines (“highest ever”) can be worth more than the incremental bid. We also kick around underbidder theories, “comp” vs “comparable,” and whether there's any real trickle-down. Then a fun closer: what would a 1/1 '89 UD Griffey be worth? Highlights Why this modern card drew more vitriol than vintage record-setters “Comp” vs “comparable”: when a data point doesn't map to anything else Marketing spend logic (Schemes/Dick's) and the Secure syndicate's “calling card” Psychological spillover vs long-term pricing reality Manufactured rarity isn't new: Wagner, '52 Topps highs, '33 Goudey Lajoie, Bert Corbeau, Leaf Marciano Quick takes from Karvin Cheung, Chris McGill, and Josh Adams on what really matters for collectors If you're into record sales, comps, and the vintage–modern divide, this one's for you. Watch Sports Cards Live most Saturday nights on YouTube for live, interactive hobby talk. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Part 3 continues the “priced out” conversation with Jeremy and Mike Zier, joined midway by Karvin Cheung (creator of Exquisite, The Cup, National Treasures, and more) and later Chris McGill of Card Ladder. What starts as a collector's reality check on wax prices evolves into a roundtable on distribution, licensing, breakers, and the overall state of the hobby. From $12.9M grails to $800 wax boxes, this discussion spans both ends of the spectrum, and asks whether regular collectors can still find their lane. Highlights Collector angst: returns shrinking while wax prices soar Breaking then vs. breaking now, does it still offer value? Carvin on licensing, distribution, and why the ecosystem fuels high prices Chris McGill connects rising wax costs to broader inflation and everyday life Is “don't open it” the only way to push wax prices down? The tension between million-dollar grails and collectors just wanting affordable packs Discipline, budgets, and staying grounded in today's market If you want straight talk on wax costs, the breaking economy, and the state of the hobby from both collectors and industry insiders, this episode is for you. And don't forget, watch Sports Cards Live most Saturday nights on YouTube for live, interactive conversations with hobby voices at every level. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Part 4 shifts into a roundtable with Karvin Cheung, Chris McGill, and Josh Adams, digging into why wax is so pricey and who's actually opening it. We compare breakers vs. LCS demand, online buying behavior, and how distribution/licensing ripple through box prices. Chris puts wax costs in macro context (USD purchasing power, gold/bitcoin/S&P comparisons), while Carvin explains the ecosystem effects—and revisits Exquisite's DNA, the “1-of-1-of-1-of-1” idea, bold on-card autos, and game-used (plus where Topps Dynasty fits now). We also hit goat-chasing, sentiment signals, and whether “don't open it” is the only lever to push prices down. Highlights Breakers vs LCS: who opens more, and why it matters Distribution, licenses, and the feedback loop that lifts box prices Macro lens: cards vs gold/bitcoin/S&P; the dollar's bite on the hobby Exquisite legacy & design: bold autos > grades, and the true “1-of-1-of-1-of-1” Game-used patches today; Dynasty's role for high-end, on-card autos Cycles, sentiment, and practical ways collectors can still “stay in their lane” If you're into the real reasons wax is expensive, how breaking reshaped the hobby, and insider takes on Exquisite/Dynasty and game-used patches, this episode is for you. Watch Sports Cards Live most Saturday nights on YouTube for live, interactive hobby conversations. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jeremy and Leighton open Part 2 by tackling the “priced out” question head-on before Mike Zier jumps in with a candid collector's perspective from the trenches, selling down, shifting to singles, and finding peace without chasing every comp. We get real about wax FOMO vs. expected value, what “being in the hobby” actually means, how to cope when prices outpace budgets, and why it's okay to love cards without loving the market. Leighton bows out midway; Jeremy and Mike keep it rolling with practical strategies regular collectors can use right now. Highlights “Adapt or get out?” unpacked: what staying looks like when wax is $500–$800 Singles over wax: maximizing joy and minimizing regret The dopamine problem: ripping vs. actually getting the cards you want Feeling underappreciated as a long-timer, and moving forward anyway Tracking every cent vs. ignoring the ticker: two healthy mindsets Using eBay solds as simple comps (and when to skip comps entirely) If you enjoy honest talk about budgets, wax vs. singles, and collecting for joy (not just headlines), this episode is for you. And don't forget, watch Sports Cards Live most Saturday nights on YouTube for live, interactive conversations with collectors, dealers, and industry voices. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

One week after the record-setting $12.9M Jordan/Kobe Logoman sale, we ask: did it truly lift the hobby, or just the high-end yacht club? Jeremy and Joe Poirot break down the reactions, from skepticism to excitement, before Leighton Sheldon joins to share perspective from the vintage side. Together we tackle whether the sale is a real comp or an outlier, what it means for vintage vs modern, how scarcity is understood today, and whether collectors should be trimming, holding, or reallocating in a frothy market. Highlights One week later: comp vs outlier and how much weight the sale should carry PR, syndicates, and perception: does attention create “fractionalization 2.0”? Manufactured vs organic scarcity: why both now drive demand Vintage pride vs modern crown: what actually shifts for collectors Leighton's playbook: liquidity, risk management, and taking chips off the table Card allocation vs net worth: how deep is too deep? Next record-breaker candidates: '52 Topps Mantle, T206 Wagner, a Ruth rookie If you enjoy deep hobby conversations that go beyond headlines and comps, this episode is for you. And don't forget, watch Sports Cards Live every Saturday night on YouTube for live, interactive discussions with collectors, dealers, and industry leaders. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In part five of the Sports Cards Live stream from Saturday, August 23, 2025, history is made as the 2007 Exquisite Jordan–Kobe Dual Logoman Autograph 1/1 sells for $12.932 million, setting a new record for the most expensive publicly sold sports card of all time. Jeremy, Brent Weyer, and Chris McGill share live reactions with over 300 viewers as the auction closes, reflecting on what this moment means for the hobby. The panel dives deep into the implications: are PSA 10 vintage grails trustworthy, or are they overgraded time bombs? Does the true value of modern masterpieces come from auto quality, patch authenticity, and game use rather than technical grades? And how should collectors view concepts like “artificial rarity” versus organic scarcity? They also explore the ripple effects: how Kobe's legacy — heightened by his tragic passing — shaped demand, whether heritage auction fees influence seller behavior, and what this watershed moment could mean for the next wave of cards to hit the market. Highlights include: Live coverage of the record-breaking $12.9M Jordan–Kobe Logoman sale Grading skepticism and the power of PSA's brand vs. the card itself Why patch and autograph quality may matter more than grades Kobe's passing and its impact on his long-term hobby standing Pop reports vs. lived scarcity in today's market What record-setting sales might bring out of collections next This final segment captures the energy, controversy, and history of a night when the hobby's all-time record was shattered live on Sports Cards Live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In part four of the Sports Cards Live stream from Saturday, August 23, 2025, the Jordan–Kobe Dual Logoman Exquisite Autograph surges past the $10 million mark live on air, ultimately climbing toward its record-breaking $12M+ finish. Jeremy, Brent Weyer, and Chris McGill track the drama in real time, unpacking what the sale means for grading, rarity, and the psychology of high-stakes bidding. The discussion ranges from the legitimacy of “manufactured rarity” to whether grade even matters for a one-of-one grail. The panel also wrestles with a central hobby question: if Michael Jordan is clearly No. 1, who is No. 2? Names like Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle, LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, and Tom Brady are all debated as the community weighs legacy, market caps, and cultural impact. Highlights include: The Jordan–Kobe Logoman breaking into 8-figure territory live on Sports Cards Live Manufactured rarity vs. organic rarity in the hobby Does grade matter at all for one-of-ones? Ego, status, and trophy bidding in high-end auctions The debate over who ranks No. 2 after Michael Jordan — Mantle, Ruth, LeBron, Kobe, Brady, or someone else? Shaq's surprising hobby index strength and whether undervalued stars ever catch up This was one of the most electric hobby nights in recent memory — and Sports Cards Live was right there with the audience as history unfolded. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In part three of the Sports Cards Live stream from Saturday, August 23, 2025, Jeremy welcomes Chris McGill (@chris_hoj) alongside Brent Weyer (@deepvalueinvestor) as the Heritage Auctions bidding drama heats up. The iconic Jordan–Kobe Dual Logoman Exquisite Autograph climbs past $9 million, sparking debate on whether it deserves to rank among the greatest cards in basketball history. The conversation expands into the role of grading, questioning whether graded scarcity creates real value or if condition scarcity and eye appeal are what truly matter. The panel also tackles the flaws in Michael Jordan's card catalog, why he doesn't have a “perfect” rookie-era grail like modern stars do, and how that shapes the chase for the ultimate Jordan card. Highlights include: The Jordan–Kobe Dual Logoman breaking into record territory Grading scarcity vs. condition scarcity — what collectors should really value The role of eye appeal and why not all 10s are created equal Why Michael Jordan doesn't have a single “perfect” rookie grail The debate: PMG Green, Logomans, or something else as Jordan's apex card This is a can't-miss segment for anyone fascinated by high-end sports cards, the psychology of grading, and the never-ending pursuit of defining hobby “greatness.” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In part two of the Sports Cards Live stream from Saturday, August 23, 2025, we explore the evolving collector–investor debate with Brent Weyer (@deepvalueinvestor). Brent discusses how his approach has expanded from chasing only apex cards to also embracing what he jokingly calls “bum collecting” — acquiring elite cards of overlooked stars. The conversation digs into whether sports cards are best viewed as investments or expenses, sparking thoughtful discussion around balance sheets, assets, and hobby perspective. We also examine the rise of high-net-worth individuals entering the hobby, often through breaking as their initial gateway before shifting into serious collecting and targeted investments. Brent shares how he's working with these new buyers, what types of cards they're seeking, and why education and guidance are critical in helping them navigate the market. Highlights include: Collecting for passion vs. investing for return Viewing cards as assets vs. expenses Nostalgia, aesthetics, and personal collecting rules Breaking as a gateway for wealthy newcomers How high-net-worth collectors are being onboarded into the hobby Whether you see yourself as a collector, an investor, or somewhere in between, this segment brings valuable perspective on how the hobby continues to evolve. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In Part 1 of the Sports Cards Live stream from Saturday, August 23rd, Jeremy Lee kicks off Episode 280 with solo commentary on one of the most historic nights in the hobby. As Heritage Auctions closed, we witnessed a record-breaking sale, dissected some of the most talked-about slabs in the marketplace, and shared a collector story that every eBay bidder can relate to. Highlights include: Reaction to the $12.9M+ Exquisite Dual Logoman of Michael Jordan & Kobe Bryant A critical breakdown of the Wilt Chamberlain 1961 Fleer PSA 10 rookie card — is it truly gem mint or just grade worship? Insights on the George Mikan PSA 9, 1986 Fleer Jordan SGC Pristine, and 1911 C55 Georges Vezina PSA 7.5 Jeremy's $122 eBay snipe fail on a Jaromir Jagr 1/1, and what it says about bidding strategy Why eye appeal vs. the number on the slab matters more than ever Audience interaction, live reactions, and community banter as the bids rolled in Whether you're chasing grails, questioning grading standards, or just love watching hobby history unfold in real time, this episode delivers perspective on one of the biggest auction nights ever. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In the final part of our post-National panel with Josh Adams and Chris McGill, the conversation shifts from comps to one of the hobby's longest-running debates — rookie cards versus inserts and parallels. We explore why certain 90s insert sets deserve more respect, the psychology behind collectors' preferences, and whether the rookie card's dominance is partly a manufactured narrative. From power dynamics in auctions to the underrated beauty of “one-and-done” insert runs, this wrap-up delivers strong opinions, surprising perspectives, and plenty of hobby banter. Highlights include: Breaking down who really has the power to set a comp: buyer, underbidder, or seller Underrated 90s insert and parallel sets — from Passing the Torch to One of a Kind How Michael Jordan's rare Stadium Club parallels compare to PMGs and Star Rubies The psychology behind collectors' love for shiny, eye-catching cards Why some in the hobby dismiss inserts and others see them as core collectibles Are rookie cards a hobby tradition or a manufactured gimmick? How modern inserts differ from their 90s counterparts in rarity and appeal The argument for collecting championship-year or iconic-moment cards instead of rookies Final reflections from the National, including the growing phenomenon of late-night trade nights Lighthearted moments, from hoodie-for-candy “comps” to memorable post-show interactions Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In Part 4 of our post-National discussion, Josh Adams, Chris McGill, and I dive into one of the hobby's most debated topics: comps. Are they the foundation of the market, just one input in a bigger decision-making process, or both? We explore how comps are created, their limits, and why some of the most memorable purchases happen without checking them at all. Plus, a look at the role of repackers, flippers, collectors, and underbidders in shaping prices — and why certain sellers hold more power than ever. Highlights include: Why comps aren't always the final word — and when to ignore them entirely The “input vs. output” theory of comps and what it means for market movement How the underbidder can have more influence than the winning bidder The impact of repackers, flippers, and institutional buyers on modern card prices Kabooms, Downtowns, and other repack staples that have surged in value Challenges of comping rare or long-untraded cards (and creative ways to do it) Why sellers with great items can command a premium regardless of comps 90s Auctions' successful National and Josh Adams' standout pickup Comparing Strongsville to The National as a future show destination Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In Part 3 of Episode 278, Jeremy welcomes Chris McGill (Card Ladder) and Josh Adams (Midwest Vintage Cards / 90s Auctions) to share their experiences, pickups, and perspectives from the 2025 National. The conversation ranges from unexpected finds and rare PC completions, to the role of content creators in the hobby, and an in-depth discussion about the repack market's impact on card values and liquidity. Highlights include: Chris on the Card Ladder booth's creative atmosphere and content creator presence at the National Discussion on the value of hobby content and the balance between cards and creators Chris's standout pickups, including rare Jokic “Totally Certified” 1/1s to complete a full run Josh Adams on his National experience, meeting collectors, and sharing vintage expertise Insights into the appeal of vintage cards showing natural age and character Market observations on vintage scarcity — true rarity vs. population reports The “vortex” effect of flipper activity on card prices and comps In-depth debate on the repack market: artificial vs. organic demand, sustainability, and PSA's entry into repack certification How repacks and frequent ownership changes affect long-term value and collector behavior Comparing the modern flipper model to the journey of cards finding their “final resting place” with end collectors Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In Part 2 of Episode 278, Jeremy is joined by Joe Poirot to break down National content coverage, what was missing, and the standout trends from the show floor — before unveiling several of his top vintage pickups and the stories behind them. Later, Leighton Sheldon of Just Collect joins to discuss his team's record-setting National, capped by the sale of a near-complete PSA-graded T206 set. The conversation explores market strength, vintage demand, and the growing influence of repacks on the hobby. Highlights include: Joe Poirot's take on what content from the National stood out and what was missing Hobby trends observed at the show, from a vintage-heavy focus to strong transaction volume Jeremy's major pickups, including a PSA 5 1950 Bowman Yogi Berra and PSA 1 1933 Goudey Lou Gehrig Story behind the Gehrig purchase and decision to pay over comps for high eye appeal Additional acquisitions, including a 1950 Bowman Roy Campanella (charity auction win) Leighton Sheldon on his best National ever for Just Collect Behind-the-scenes of acquiring and selling a near-complete PSA T206 set during the show Perspective on the hot vintage market and why demand is surging Discussion on the rise of repacks and their impact on both modern and vintage sectors Shout-outs to Vintage Trade Night and the For Collectors community event Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

After a week off, we're back with Episode 278 of Sports Cards Live — and it's a big one. Fresh from the 2025 National, I share the story of tracking down and acquiring my No. 1 target: the 1941 Play Ball Joe DiMaggio. We talk negotiation, condition, and why this card means so much to me. Plus: Picking up a stunning '48 Leaf DiMaggio from the same vendor Adding a perfectly centered 2nd-year Magic Johnson Other show-floor finds from hockey legends to classic football and basketball Behind-the-scenes stories from Wednesday & Thursday at The National, including events, parties, and memorable meetups Shoutouts to some incredible vendors and collectors I met along the way Whether you love the hunt, the hobby community, or just great card stories, this recap delivers all three. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this closing segment of Episode 277, Jeremy is joined by Chris McGill and Ben Hossler for a wide-ranging discussion on grading instability, repack legitimacy, and the state of trust in the hobby. As SGC leadership changes and PSA steps into new territory with repacks, collectors are asking harder questions and this roundtable doesn't shy away from them. Chris shares platform-level insights, Ben brings sharp data-driven analysis, and Jeremy guides the conversation toward what matters most: integrity, transparency, and collector confidence. Topics include: The hobby's reaction to SGC's leadership shift and Collectors' long game PSA's repack alignment with CardsHQ - and what's at stake reputationally Why "fairness certification" isn't a cure-all and might be a warning sign How flipping, content, and market behavior intersect with responsibility Ben on shifting collector behavior, risk tolerance, and confidence erosion Chris on platform ethics and Card Ladder's role in an evolving market Why reputation is the real product and who's still earning it Ben closes the episode with a strong call to action: where the hobby needs to step up This is a clear-eyed conversation for collectors who care about where the hobby goes next. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In the 4th segment of Episode 277, Jeremy is joined by Card Ladder co-founder Chris McGill and data specialist Ben Hossler to discuss the hobby's most pressing tensions from grading shakeups to repack scrutiny to the vulnerability of trust itself. This is not a segment about drama it's about reality. What does the collector base believe in right now? Who still has credibility? And what happens when grading companies or marketplaces miscalculate? Topics include: SGC's uncertain future under Collectors and what it signals about grading competition The PSA-CardsHQ repack controversy and how legitimacy is being defined (or dodged) Whether the hobby is at risk of a trust correction as much as a market one Why transparency, not performance, is the new currency of credibility The moral gray zones of flipping, content creation, and influencer-driven hype Ben's insights on the data side and what's shifting in collector behavior Chris on platform responsibility and the future of Card Ladder in a skeptical market This is a sharp, honest roundtable on what's broken, what might be fixable, and what collectors should demand moving forward. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In Part 3 of Episode 277, Jeremy and Joe zoom out from specific shows to explore what collectors are really doing in today's hobby landscape — and what that says about confidence, fatigue, and liquidity. They're joined early in the segment by Canadian dealer Grant Patterson, who shares his real-world take on what's moving, what's not, and how the energy of the market is shifting. His insights set the stage for a broader discussion on the behaviors and signals dealers and collectors should be paying attention to right now. Topics include: Grant Patterson on collector mood, liquidity, and setting up at shows Why it's easy to confuse hobby fatigue with hobby evolution The gap between social media narratives and on-the-ground reality How collector buying has become more strategic — and more personal Why liquidity issues can mask healthy demand What slower sales may actually reflect about inventory, pricing, and trust Tips for dealers misreading today's buyer psychology If you're trying to separate signal from noise in 2025, this segment brings clarity without hype. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Jeremy and Joe continue their deep dive into hobby dynamics from the entertainment economics of breaking and repacks to the resignation of SGC President Peter Steinberg and the grading company's uncertain future. This conversation spans the philosophical and financial layers of the hobby, who's actually collecting, who's chasing, and how grading companies are shifting the terrain beneath our feet. Topics include: A candid story about a collector who's already spent $50K on Whatnot in 6 months Why some say breaking and repacks are “the idiot tax” and why that may be unfair How many owners a card has before it finds its “forever home" Pete Steinberg's resignation from SGC and what it signals about the brand's future Whether Collectors is sunsetting SGC or repositioning it Joe's personal journey with SGC: trust, regret, and the future of his slabs Why PSA's grading monopoly might not be good for the hobby Whether repacks create pressure on wax prices and if they're here to stay This one's for the thinkers, the skeptics, and the collectors who want to understand where the hobby is heading. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

n Episode 277, Jeremy Lee and Joe Poirot dive deep into one of the most controversial hobby announcements of 2025 the new PSA-certified repack product from CardsHQ, led by Geoff Wilson. With PSA now certifying the fairness of a product they also grade, Jeremy raises serious questions about transparency, conflict of interest, and how this move could reshape the repack space for better or worse. Topics include: Why Jeremy sees PSA's new repack service as a self-bestowed power What it means for a grading company to become a fairness auditor The risk of internal abuse or manipulation during the seeding process Geoff Wilson's bold claim that this will “change the hobby forever” Whether PSA's involvement raises consumer trust or just the stakes How this could trigger a broader “repack legitimacy” movement The difference between what is legal, what is profitable, and what is ethical A broader discussion on wax pricing, license fees, and repacks as a market response Joe brings the collector's lens. Jeremy brings the accounting fire. The chat brings the heat. Buckle up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We close out the HobbyPalooza 2025 special with a wide-ranging, thought-provoking conversation that taps into the emotional core of collecting. Chris McGill introduces the Hegelian Dialectic to explore the rising tension between technical grade and eye appeal, while the panel coins a new term, Hobby Fuel, to describe what drives collectors to keep going. Highlights include: Eye Appeal vs. Grade: Are we headed toward a synthesis? Collector fuel vs. hobby fatigue: What lights your fire? Shill bidding, second chance offers, and hidden reserves Grading as insurance and education vs. knowledge erasure The contagious nature of passion in a growing community Joe's insights on collecting with intent, not just instinct Chris's deep dive on comedy, philosophy, and collecting psychology Final thoughts from Josh, Joe, Chris, and Jeremy ahead of the National Presented in support of Signatures for Soldiers, hosted by the Four Collectors YouTube channel, and sponsored by The Penny Sleever. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices