Podcast appearances and mentions of sarah sophie flicker

This week, we’re chatting with artists and composers https://abbydobsonsings.com/ (Abby Dobson) and http://www.thisisauthentic.com (Brooke Williams), both members of the https://www.resistancerevivalchorus.com/ (Resistance Revival Chorus), about their work with the group and how choirs can affect social change.  http://www.inunisonpodcast.com/episodes/s02e11#transcript (Episode transcript) Music excerpts “https://open.spotify.com/track/4CJFOJoOVLWeWqwnoCd8wk?si=cf52e8e2fafe4682 (This Joy)” by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirley_Caesar (Shirley Caesar) “https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12JkMWmyZRM (Woke Up This Morning (With My Mind Stayed on Freedom))” by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke_Up_This_Morning_(With_My_Mind_Stayed_On_Freedom) (Rev. Robert Wesby) “https://open.spotify.com/track/0FhSmuWjb1XU4apUW7qRDt?si=f476754d38a54cb4 (All You Fascists Bound To Lose)” by Woody Guthrie, Rhiannon Giddens, solo “https://open.spotify.com/track/7w1NrbldibEqImQxu6zu5g?si=ba4a6c7850a549eb (Say Her Name)” by Abby Dobson “https://open.spotify.com/track/0tuqzSqwAnuBLTSOe8w0L1?si=730fc47cbb7b4552 (Joy in Resistance)” by Abena Koomson-Davis Episode references https://www.resistancerevivalchorus.com/ (Resistance Revival Chorus) https://medium.com/@resistancerevivalchorus/resistance-revival-chorus-tool-kit-260ed7438977#id_token=eyJhbGciOiJSUzI1NiIsImtpZCI6Ijc3NDU3MzIxOGM2ZjZhMmZlNTBlMjlhY2JjNjg2NDMyODYzZmM5YzMiLCJ0eXAiOiJKV1QifQ.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.cHeBiD8lwyNOLX0yxsYRFFEZPy58-nyjPe5nfhhc5B59U3kcMLyw7mIWJNgDPKfhQ2Bex4kNtEIVKnGOmCxEW2caYho-Khx4uDogAcLs7ygAApK1gwggcIAMgIUeYCHuoeRwos6PArkVMj3dFXG_cjm33fZ8iOU7KlYBoTcRGo4OrK16tnUbOGmasMa8jmFsa38-87xl7qNdt8dP0Z215Bp2cKZaZ_3SoEg6gJ3IZzileFLFOOH1RI24x6ImqOvGlgy2kq2YNK79rtymKG7r8yFyJuaP7xWRUoX8LExO4khpORPigZq7A30j6apoy2td8nEpmIr-zyu3PUvTk2tEEA (Resistance Revival Chorus Tool Kit) http://www.abbydobsonsings.com (Abby Dobson, composer) http://thisisauthentic.com/ (This is authentic) https://www.righteousbabe.com/collections/resistance-revival-chorus/products/resistance-revival-chorus-this-joy (This Joy - on Righteous Babe Records) https://www.linkedin.com/in/ginnysuss/ (Ginny Suss ) https://www.apbspeakers.com/speaker/sarah-sophie-flicker/#:~:text=Sarah%20Sophie%20Flicker%20is%20an,At%2DLarge%20for%20Violet%20Book. (Sarah Sophie Flicker) https://www.law.columbia.edu/faculty/kimberle-w-crenshaw (Kimberle W. Crenshaw) https://www.aapf.org/ (African American Policy Forum) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12JkMWmyZRM (Woke Up this Morning (With My Mind Stayed on Freedom) - Live) at https://pioneerworks.org/ (Pioneer Works) https://www.instagram.com/joytothepolls/?hl=en (Joy to the Polls) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnBXyMje318&feature=emb_logo (I Hope - Meah Pace - RRC Video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWUa7aAIfLE&feature=emb_logo (All You Fascists Bound to Lose - RRC Video) Theme Song: https://music.apple.com/us/album/mr-puffy/1457011536?i=1457011549 (Mr. Puffy) by Avi Bortnik, arr. by Paul Kim. Performed by http://www.dynamicjazz.dk/ (Dynamic)

Join Change Catalyst Founder & CEO Melinda Briana Epler with Lionel Lee, Head of Diversity Engagement at Zillow Group, in conversation about Engaging Leadership. We talk about Lionel's story, what empathy looks like in 2020, how Lionel has worked with leadership to build allyship and deepen understanding for people from underrepresented identities, and the deep work of building empathy across the company.Learn more about Zillow Group's work on Equity and Belonging: https://www.zillowgroup.com/careers/equity-belonging/ ⭑⭑If this is helpful, don't forget to subscribe to our podcast and like this episode!⭑⭑Resources:Zillow's Commitment to Equity & Belonging: https://www.zillowgroup.com/careers/equity-belonging/AfroTech Feature on Lionel Lee: This Zillow Exec Wants to Reshape the Face of Tech: https://afrotech.com/this-zillow-exec-wants-to-reshape-the-face-of-techWatch the 2019 “Tech Inclusion Seattle Summit, Presented By Zillow and Hosted by Change Catalyst” on our YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EqXgYRlq-0Anti-Racism Resources compiled by Sarah Sophie Flicker and Alyssa Klein: bit.ly/ANTIRACISMRESOURCES Producer: Juliette RoyProject Manager: Sally MoywaywaFinance & Logistics: Renzo SantosDiversity & Inclusion Specialist: Antonia FordCreated by: Melinda Briana EplerFor more about Change Catalyst, and to join us for a live recording, visit changecatalyst.co/allyshipseriesSupport this series: patreon.com/changecatalystsYoutube: youtube.com/c/changecatalystTwitter: twitter.com/changecatalystsFacebook: facebook.com/changecatalystsLinkedIn: linkedin.com/company/changecatalysts Support the show (http://patreon.com/changecatalysts)

Welcome to the Rock Your Purpose Podcast! In this episode, Emily shares the stand she has taken in solidarity with Black Lives and against systemic racism in all of its forms, and shares the RYP and Emily Perry.Com values statement. Resources mentioned in this episode are linked below. You can find our values statement at https://emilyperry.com/communityforall Resources for Conscious Activism/ Anti-Racism Resources Google Doc Compilations— these have more in-depth resources for you: Anti-Racism Resources (Google Doc compiled by Sarah Sophie Flicker, Alyssa Klein in May 2020).  bit.ly/ANTIRACISMRESOURCES Anti-Racism for Beginners & White People (Google Doc complied by Melyssa Griffin) linked here. Anti-Racism Resources for White People: "Conscious/Spiritual/Leader" Edition: complied by Sarah Sophie Flicker, Alyssa Klein in May 2020: (link) Women and Groups to support offering books, podcasts, resources & education: Michelle C. Johnson | Skill in Action: website | Patreon Rachel Cargle: website | Patreon Layla Saad: Website | Patreon CTZN WELL: website | Instagram Yoga For All Movement: website | Instagram Thank you for listening. xo EP

The intersectional movement is striving at the moment to help the anti-racist movement. In this episode will see how multiculturality and feminism in Iceland are only starting to intervolve. I've wanted to interview foreigners living in Iceland to see their perspective on feminism. During those interviews I've realised that insclusivity was still and issue on that field to and that foreigners go through issues that Icelandic feminist don't know that much about. I couldn't stay without sharing to you links to educate yourself on racism and also on how to be a great ally after all that happened in the last weeks.  This document was created by Sarah Sophie Flicker, Alyssa Klein in May 2020 it's a compilation of anti-racist ressources :  bit.ly/ANTIRACISMRESOURCES  Fund for George Floyd memorial :  https://www.gofundme.com/f/georgefloyd  Fund for Adama traoré familly in France :  https://www.okpal.com/adama-traore/#/  And don't forget to go to your local if you are able to !    "Feminism on the roads" is a podcast recorded, edited and produced by Aziliz Peaudecerf a young journalist and high schooler with the financial support of Zellidja's grant.   

Thanks for tuning into If Records Could Talk! Kathleen and Shannon talk about two of their old music loves, Bad Suns and Frank Turner. The pair also discusses recent changes to categories in the Grammy’s. Follow us on Twitter: @recordtalkpod or individually @binks_1 and @katiemtweets! Article Shannon mentioned: https://www.nme.com/reviews/reviews-frank-turner-14348-308900 Frank Turner’s instagram is @frankturner Episode Spotify playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4nt90wPjZb5NH9H6PPnyxP?si=P9sEeHZrSaG0hB-1COZ0Og Resources for education about Black Lives Matter: credit Sarah Sophie Flicker, Alyssa Klein:  http://bit.ly/ANTIRACISMRESOURCES credit Maddie Lorch: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dqJUsWnWVTLguIS96MuadDQloBXBCfhP7dmteNT5Qo0/mobilebasic Paint the Sky by Hans Atom (c) copyright 2015 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/hansatom/50718 Ft: Miss Judged

In this bonus clip, I share my view on who is welcome in this community and who is not, and a few of my most important birthday wishes. Spoiler: Unless you are actively anti-racist, you have no place here. This show and community are not for you.     ** LINKS MENTIONED ** --- READ --- How to be an Anti-Racist by Ibram X Kendi: https://www.ibramxkendi.com/how-to-be-an-antiracist-1 Me and White Supremacy by Layla F. Saad: http://laylafsaad.com/meandwhitesupremacy White Fragility: Why it's So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism: https://robindiangelo.com/publications/ --- GIVE --- Austin Justice Coalition: https://austinjustice.org/ Color of Change: https://colorofchange.org/ Black Lives Matter: https://blacklivesmatter.com/   --- FOLLOW --- Tamika D Mallory: https://www.instagram.com/tamikadmallory Professor Ibram X Kendi: https://www.instagram.com/ibramxk Brittany Packnett Cunningham: https://www.instagram.com/mspackyetti/ Rachel Cargle: https://www.instagram.com/rachel.cargle Layla F Saad: https://www.instagram.com/laylafsaad/   More great resources, compiled by Sarah Sophie Flicker and Alyssa Klein: bit.ly/ANTIRACISMRESOURCES  

Here is what we have been reading:Eloquent Rage: A Black Feminist Discovers Her Superpower by Dr. Brittney CooperHow To Be An Antiracist by Dr. Ibram X. KendiI Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya AngelouMe and White Supremacy by Layla F. SaadSo You Want to Talk About Race by Ijeoma OluoThe Bluest Eye by Toni MorrisonWhite Fragility: Why It's So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism by Robin DiAngelo, PhDAmericanah by Chimamanda Ngozi AdichieMe and White Supremacy by Layla F. SaadHere is what we have been listening:Pod For The Cause (from The Leadership Conference on Civil & Human Rights)Pod Save the People (Crooked Media)Seeing White1619 (New York Times)About RaceHere is what we have been watching:13th (Ava DuVernay) — NetflixAmerican Son (Kenny Leon) — NetflixDear White People (Justin Simien) — NetflixSelma (Ava DuVernay) — Available to rentThe Black Panthers: Vanguard of the Revolution — Available to rentThe Hate U Give (George Tillman Jr.) — Hulu with CinemaxWhen They See Us (Ava DuVernay) — NetflixMore resources and reading ideas here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BRlF2_zhNe86SGgHa6-VlBO-QgirITwCTugSfKie5Fs/preview?pru=AAABcqmy2m0*LgjLwByxnCmOdUIYC5K-JwThis incredible list was put together by Sarah Sophie Flicker, Alyssa Klein in May 2020.

This episode is an attempt to provide a way forward through conversations across race about the difficult topics of racism, white privilege, conscious and unconscious biases, how to identify them and how to address them. This episode is our effort to call in white people to increase their knowledge around racism in its historical and present contexts and engage in positive action to support Black Lives Matter. It also an attempt to extend an open hand in support of people of color. The Evolved Caveman is committed to anti-racism. This is an attempt to join with Black people and other people of color. Now is the time when we anti-racist white people need to commit to having intentional conversations with the people in our lives and on social media who might be conflicted about the protests because of the narratives of violence and looting outlined by those with other agendas. We need to start these uncomfortable, yet supremely important, conversations. Below are resources to begin your education… Articles to read: • Ella Baker and the Black Freedom Movement (Mentoring a New Generation of Activists • My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant' by Jose Antonio Vargas | NYT Mag (June 22, 2011) • The 1619 Project (all the articles) | The New York Times Magazine • The Combahee River Collective Statement • The Intersectionality Wars' by Jane Coaston | Vox (May 28, 2019) • White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack' by Knapsack Peggy McIntosh • Who Gets to Be Afraid in America?' by Dr. Ibram X. Kendi | Atlantic (May 12, 2020) Podcasts to check out: • 1619 (New York Times) • About Race • Code Switch (NPR) • Momentum: A Race Forward Podcast • Pod For The Cause (from The Leadership Conference on Civil & Human Rights) • Pod Save the People (Crooked Media) • Seeing White Books to read: • Eloquent Rage: A Black Feminist Discovers Her Superpower by Dr. Brittney Cooper • Heavy: An American Memoir by Kiese Laymon • How To Be An Antiracist by Dr. Ibram X. Kendi • I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou • Just Mercy by Bryan Stevenson • Me and White Supremacy by Layla F. Saad • Raising Our Hands by Jenna Arnold • Redefining Realness by Janet Mock • Sister Outsider by Audre Lorde • So You Want to Talk About Race by Ijeoma Oluo • The Fire Next Time by James Baldwin • The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness by Michelle Alexander • The Next American Revolution: Sustainable Activism for the Twenty-First Century by Grace Lee Boggs • The Warmth of Other Suns by Isabel Wilkerson • Their Eyes Were Watching God by Zora Neale Hurston • When Affirmative Action Was White: An Untold History of Racial Inequality in Twentieth-Century America by Ira Katznelson • White Fragility: Why It's So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism by Robin DiAngelo, PhD Films and TV series to watch: • 13th (Ava DuVernay) Netflix • American Son (Kenny Leon) Netflix • Black Power Mixtape: 1967-1975 Available to rent • Clemency (Chinonye Chukwu) Available to rent • Dear White People (Justin Simien) Netflix • Fruitvale Station (Ryan Coogler) Available to rent • If Beale Street Could Talk (Barry Jenkins) Hulu • Just Mercy (Destin Daniel Cretton) Available to rent • King In The Wilderness HBO • See You Yesterday (Stefon Bristol) Netflix • Selma (Ava DuVernay) Available to rent • The Black Panthers: Vanguard of the Revolution Available to rent • The Hate U Give (George Tillman Jr.) Hulu with Cinemax • When They See Us (Ava DuVernay) Netflix Organizations to follow on social media: • Antiracism Center: Twitter • Audre Lorde Project: Twitter | Instagram | Facebook • Black Women's Blueprint: Twitter | Instagram | Facebook • Color Of Change: Twitter | Instagram | Facebook • Colorlines: Twitter | Instagram | Facebook • The Conscious Kid: Twitter | Instagram | Facebook • Equal Justice Initiative (EJI): Twitter | Instagram | Facebook • Families Belong Together: Twitter | Instagram | Facebook • The Leadership Conference on Civil & Human Rights: Twitter | Instagram | Facebook • NAACP: Twitter | Instagram | Facebook • National Domestic Workers Alliance: Twitter | Instagram | Facebook • RAICES: Twitter | Instagram | Facebook • Showing Up for Racial Justice (SURJ): Twitter | Instagram | Facebook More anti-racism resources to check out: • 75 Things White People Can Do for Racial Justice • Anti-Racism Project • Jenna Arnold's resources (books and people to follow) • Rachel Ricketts' anti-racism resources • Resources for White People to Learn and Talk About Race and Racism • Showing Up For Racial Justice's educational toolkits • The [White] Shift on Instagram This is an edited version of document compiled by Sarah Sophie Flicker, Alyssa Klein in May 2020. A big thank you to Sarah and Alyssa. Check us out on Google Play and give us a Like and Subscribe! https://play.google.com/music/listen#/ps/Imo4l6pgrbmeklxvec6pgwzxnz4 If you like what you've heard, support us by subscribing, leaving reviews on Apple podcasts. Every review helps to get the message out! Please share the podcast with friends and colleagues. Follow Dr. John Schinnerer on | Instagram | Instagram.com/@TheEvolvedCaveman | Facebook | Facebook.com/Anger.Management.Expert | Twitter | Twitter.com/@JohnSchin | LinkedIn | Linkedin.com/in/DrJohnSchinnerer Or join the email list by visiting: GuideToSelf.com Please visit our YouTube channel and remember to Like & Subscribe! https://www.youtube.com/user/jschinnerer Editing/Mixing/Mastering by: Brian Donat of B/Line Studios www.BLineStudios.com Music by: Zak Gay http://otonamimusic.com/

Anti-racism resources for white people by Sarah Sophie Flicker and Alyssa Klein https://bit.ly/3cSLl2V Canada https://urbanalliance.ca/ https://blackwomeninmotion.org/ https://www.facebook.com/BIPOCproject/ https://blacklivesmatter.ca/ https://blacklivesmattervancouver.com/ http://blackhealthalliance.ca/ https://blackyouth.ca/ https://niacentre.org/ https://donorbox.org/donate-to-blac USA https://secure.actblue.com/donate/ms_blm_homepage_2019 https://www.communityjusticeexchange.org/ https://colorofchange.org/ https://www.naacp.org/ https://bit.ly/2YmMlXR https://www.aclu.org/ https://www.cuapb.org/ https://www.reclaimtheblock.org/ https://www.blackvisionsmn.org/

Tune into my birthday episode where I share my 35 most important wishes, including how to support BIPOC and stand up against racism! Some are things you can do TODAY to instantly improve your life, others are more general. My best advice is to choose one or a couple and come back to this episode for more.   ** LINKS MENTIONED ** --- READ --- How to be an Anti-Racist by Ibram X Kendi: https://www.ibramxkendi.com/how-to-be-an-antiracist-1 Me and White Supremacy by Layla F. Saad: http://laylafsaad.com/meandwhitesupremacy White Fragility: Why it's So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism: https://robindiangelo.com/publications/ --- GIVE --- Austin Justice Coalition: https://austinjustice.org/ Color of Change: https://colorofchange.org/ Black Lives Matter: https://blacklivesmatter.com/   --- FOLLOW --- Tamika D Mallory: https://www.instagram.com/tamikadmallory Professor Ibram X Kendi: https://www.instagram.com/ibramxk Brittany Packnett Cunningham: https://www.instagram.com/mspackyetti/ Rachel Cargle: https://www.instagram.com/rachel.cargle Layla F Saad: https://www.instagram.com/laylafsaad/   More great resources, compiled by Sarah Sophie Flicker and Alyssa Klein: bit.ly/ANTIRACISMRESOURCES

In this episode, we also hosted a Facebook Live Event, to include as much community input as we could. It was pretty last minute, so there were some kinks. That said, I felt it was important to say something about the recent events.We examined a number of topics, including the difference between Ignorant and Informed racism; what it's like to be pulled over as a black-ish person; and what it means to be the Weapons and Shields of the U.S.People of all races are coming together in a fight against racism. Many have hit the streets in protest and others have taken to social media to make their voices heard. No matter what your ethnic background, you have the responsibility and the oportunity For help on how to be an Anti-Racist, here are a few links and resourceshttps://crooked.com/articles/antiracism-resources/Articles and resources to readAnti-racism resources for white people (via Sarah Sophie Flicker and Alyssa Klein)75 things white people can do for racial injustice (via Medium)Ways to help (via Black Lives Matter)

The first episode in our series on the seven deadly sins, Pride. We talk about an arrogant artist, a gloating goddess, and a haughty hunter. Black Lives Matter Resources:Please check out this Anti-Racism Resource Doc compiled by Sarah Sophie Flicker, Alyssa Klein in May 2020. To quote the page itself, “This document is intended to serve as a resource to white people and parents to deepen our anti-racism work. If you haven’t engaged in anti-racism work in the past, start now. Feel free to circulate this document on social media and with your friends, family, and colleagues.” It is filled with clickable links to utilize.Below, you’ll find some of the resources we’ve started with.Donate:ACLUThe Bail ProjectNAACPNational Bail OutThe Okra ProjectWatch:13th (Ava DuVernay) on NetflixAmerican Son (Kenny Leon) on NetflixDear White People (Justin Simien) on NetflixFruitvale Station (Ryan Coogler) on Available to rentKing In The Wilderness on HBOSee You Yesterday (Stefon Bristol) on NetflixThe Hate U Give (George Tillman Jr.) on Hulu with CinemaxWhen They See Us (Ava DuVernay) on NetflixRead:Black Feminist Thought by Patricia Hill CollinsThe Bluest Eye by Toni MorrisonMe and White Supremacy by Layla F. SaadThe New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness by Michelle AlexanderSo You Want to Talk About Race by Ijeoma OluoWhite Fragility: Why It’s So Hard To Talk To White People About Racism by Robin DiAngeloListen (Podcasts):1619 (New York Times)Code Switch (NPR)Intersectionality Matters! hosted by Kimberlé CrenshawMomentum: A Race Forward PodcastPod Save the PeopleSources:Mythic Series by Ted-Ed (YouTube) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvUHcsZOhJ8 See U in History (YouTube) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoMJm-Les6Q Mythology and Fiction Explained (YouTube) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9pr2Xxaagw Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athena https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissus_(mythology) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder Encyclopedia Britannica https://www.britannica.com/topic/Narcissus-Greek-mythology Greek Mythology https://www.greekmythology.com/Myths/Mortals/Narcissus/narcissus.html

Thanks so much for tuning into series two of On The Outskirts - we hope you're all doing okay out there & we hope this first episode acts as a little bit of comfort this week... There’s no doubt that 2020 has felt particularly heavy. With this in mind, we have really been thinking about how we can utilise our platforms in a more balanced and resourceful way. Whilst our jobs are primarily about offering up content that provides escapism - we also feel a moral duty to speak up and use our privilege for the greater good. We know this is just a very small step in the right direction, but each episode of this season, we would like to dedicate the last ten minutes to a charity/cause that we feel passionately about. In light of the recent death of George Floyd and the subsequent protests across America and the rest of the world - we want to start the series off by paying respect to this and providing some useful resources in the show notes below. It’s not enough just to provide lighthearted escapism on social media at when there’s so much corruption and injustice in the world. We can’t look away or stay silent when it comes to racism - we must commit to the lifelong work that comes with being actively anti-racist. Black lives have always mattered and I think it’s important to note that anti racism is not some sort of checklist that we get to tick off. It’s a practice we have to enforce every single day so that it becomes second nature. It’s not just how we present ourselves online, it’s conversations in real life and with strangers. It’s the books on our shelves and speaking up even when it feels uncomfortable. Black lives matter way more than anxious thoughts and complacency.Some charities to donate to (if you're financially able) Black Lives Matter Black Visions CollectiveGeorge Floyd Memorial Fund Minnesota Freedom FundRun With Maud The Bail Project Reclaim The BlockCampaign Zero NAACP Legal Defence FundWomen For Political ChangeOR split a donation between 70+ community bail funds, mutual aid funds, and racial justice organizers here Offer your support by signing the below petitions!Sign the Justice for George Floyd petition here Sign the petition for Breonna Taylor hereSign the petition to prosecute the Minneapolis Police Department's officers who killed George Floyd here.Sign the petition to raise the degree for Derek Chauvin's murder charge here.Sign the petition for the UK government to condemn President Trump's response to BLM protests here.Sign the petition for British schools to implement teaching British children about black history here. Anti-racism document put together by Sarah Sophie Flicker and Alyssa Klein - includes podcasts, books, articles & more!We also both have new blog posts up this week with much more information than we could ever squeeze into here (linked below)From Alice - Anti-racism and being a better ally: Black lives matter movement From Sophia - Understanding how we are part of the problem See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Thanks so much for tuning into series two of On The Outskirts - we hope you're all doing okay out there & we hope this first episode acts as a little bit of comfort this week... There’s no doubt that 2020 has felt particularly heavy. With this in mind, we have really been thinking about how we can utilise our platforms in a more balanced and resourceful way. Whilst our jobs are primarily about offering up content that provides escapism - we also feel a moral duty to speak up and use our privilege for the greater good. We know this is just a very small step in the right direction, but each episode of this season, we would like to dedicate the last ten minutes to a charity/cause that we feel passionately about. In light of the recent death of George Floyd and the subsequent protests across America and the rest of the world - we want to start the series off by paying respect to this and providing some useful resources in the show notes below. It’s not enough just to provide lighthearted escapism on social media at when there’s so much corruption and injustice in the world. We can’t look away or stay silent when it comes to racism - we must commit to the lifelong work that comes with being actively anti-racist. Black lives have always mattered and I think it’s important to note that anti racism is not some sort of checklist that we get to tick off. It’s a practice we have to enforce every single day so that it becomes second nature. It’s not just how we present ourselves online, it’s conversations in real life and with strangers. It’s the books on our shelves and speaking up even when it feels uncomfortable. Black lives matter way more than anxious thoughts and complacency.Some charities to donate to (if you're financially able) Black Lives Matter Black Visions CollectiveGeorge Floyd Memorial Fund Minnesota Freedom FundRun With Maud The Bail Project Reclaim The BlockCampaign Zero NAACP Legal Defence FundWomen For Political ChangeOR split a donation between 70+ community bail funds, mutual aid funds, and racial justice organizers here Offer your support by signing the below petitions!Sign the Justice for George Floyd petition here Sign the petition for Breonna Taylor hereSign the petition to prosecute the Minneapolis Police Department's officers who killed George Floyd here.Sign the petition to raise the degree for Derek Chauvin's murder charge here.Sign the petition for the UK government to condemn President Trump's response to BLM protests here.Sign the petition for British schools to implement teaching British children about black history here. Anti-racism document put together by Sarah Sophie Flicker and Alyssa Klein - includes podcasts, books, articles & more!We also both have new blog posts up this week with much more information than we could ever squeeze into here (linked below)From Alice - Anti-racism and being a better ally: Black lives matter movement From Sophia - Understanding how we are part of the problem See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Welcome back to If Records Could Talk! Shannon and Kathleen are back to discuss music: news, new, old, and that of Black and POC artists. Follow us on Twitter: @recordtalkpod or individually @binks_1 and @katiemtweets Spotify playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/66crNUIa0JcxFsuS0OUJVU?si=NQi6_3NSSOecgiATfuKmBA Resources for education about Black Lives Matter: credit Sarah Sophie Flicker, Alyssa Klein:  http://bit.ly/ANTIRACISMRESOURCES credit Maddie Lorch: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dqJUsWnWVTLguIS96MuadDQloBXBCfhP7dmteNT5Qo0/mobilebasic https://blacklivesmatter.carrd.co/ Paint the Sky by Hans Atom (c) copyright 2015 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/hansatom/50718 Ft: Miss Judged

We're dedicating this week to supporting Black Lives Matter. Below you'll find a list of resources where you can help support and learn more about the Black Lives Matter movement, as well as a list of some podcasts by Black Content Creators.Here is a list of Anti-Racism Resources by Sarah Sophie Flicker and Alyssa Klein.The Black Lives Matter At School movement is a network of educators dedicated to increasing the education about and discussion around race in educational systems. They've been compiling a wealth of resources that are free to access for anyone via this Google Drive, and it has resources for all grade levels, as well as post-secondary and adult learners.Podcasts we recommend by Black Content CreatorsWhy Won't You Date Me? With Nicole Byer [Apple | Spotify]Go Off, Sis with Rach and Mimi [Apple | Spotify]Bodega Boys with Desus Nice and The Kid Nero [Apple | Spotify]The Read with Kid Fury and Crissle [Apple | Spotify]The Friend Zone with Dustin Ross, HeyFranHey and Assante [Apple | Spotify]Okay, Now Listen With Scottie Beam and Sylvia Obell [Apple | Spotify]Still Processing by Jenna Wortham and Wesley Morris [Apple | Spotify]The Nod with Brittany Luse and Eric Eddings [Apple | Spotify]Reveal by Al Letson [Apple | Spotify]Snap Judgement by Glynn Washington [Apple | Spotify]

In this episode, co-host Cephas interviews Jess Mally about the recent events in regards to racism in the US, the global response and the urgent calls for change here in the UK.The episode was recorded one day after Jess attended the Black Lives Matter protest in London and is a raw and honest expression. This isn't a polished conversation and we certainly hadn't planned to release this type of episode as our first one. However it felt wrong to abide by our initial schedule - business as usual is out the window.We hope that this conversation will shed light on the dynamics at work when it comes to systemic racism and add to the calls across the world that changes have to be made and they have to be made now.Jess references a few books and resources those who want to start the work of antiracism might want to pick up. You can find a small list below.There is so much more that can be said and done and we at The Third Way are committed to playing our part in bringing change. So this is only the first of many episodes addressing these issues.Our introductory episode in which we give context to the podcast, introduce ourselves and more will air next Wednesday (10th June 2020).In the mean time, we hope you find this episode helpful and we would love to hear from you.Follow us on instagram @thethirdwaypodcast and twitter @thethirdwaypodThank you for listening.Jess and CephasBOOKS TO READ:Why I'm No Longer Talking to White People About Race - Rennie Eddo LodgeMe and White Supremacy - Layla F SaadWhite Fragility - Robin DiAngeloNatives - AkalaBlack and British. A forgotten History - David OlusogaAudre Lorde - Sister OutsiderAntiracism resources (compiled by Sarah Sophie Flicker and Alyssa Klein): https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.google.com/url?q%3Dhttp://bit.ly/ANTIRACISMRESOURCES%26amp;sa%3DD%26amp;ust%3D1591356349722000&sa=D&ust=1591356349777000&usg=AFQjCNH0PvRpISEk_Qr7uGnePKzTYgvIGA Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

“For me, I believe that Black lives matter. That’s what I said. Anyone with a functioning brain understands that all lives matter. Anybody. But right now there is a portion of our community that is frustrated, and they are suffering, and they are hurting. So, as an empathetic Christian I’m gonna go and say I agree with the statement Black lives do matter. But I was glad some people disagreed with me, because I kept saying, do Black lives matter yes or no? yes but…I’m like there is no but. We disagree. Those are the same type of people that would have interrupted Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount. Jesus would have been like, blessed are the poor…no Jesus blessed are all people. Since when does highlighting one issue disparage another? Are we not secure enough to be able to sit here and go issue by issue and talk about one without disparaging another? Of course all lives matter, but it’s okay to say Black lives matter. What’s wrong with you? This is not rocket science. All lives matter. No kidding. That’s why Black lives matter, because until all lives matter equally, we need to focus on this.” -Carl Lentz, 2016   This is the most important episode I will ever release. I hope you approach it with an open heart.   Just recently: George Floyd was murdered by a police officer while three other police officers stood by and did nothing. Breonna Taylor was in her home in the middle of the night when police broke in, unannounced, and shot her to death. Ahmaud Arbery was out for a run when two men chased him and shot him to death. Christian Cooper was bird watching in Central Park when a woman threatened to call the police and say that an African American man was threatening her life. He was not.   It doesn’t stop there. The following Black men and women have been murdered by police: Philando Castile Atatiana Jefferson Eric Reason Natasha McKenna Botham Jean Walter Scott Bettie Jones Tamir Rice Michael Brown Dominique Clayton Eric Garner Trayvon Martin  Tanisha Anderson Sandra Bland Freddie Gray   THESE ARE JUST THE NAMES WE KNOW. Do you know how hard it is to find a full list of Black people who have been murdered at the hands of police brutality?    Here’s a brief history of the Black lives lost in our country over the past few years along with the #Blacklivesmatter gaining momentum:   ·      2013: #Blacklivesmatter first appears on twitter ·      7/17/14: Eric Garner dies in NY after being arrested ·      8/9/14: Michael Brown is killed during an encounter with police officer in Ferguson, MO. ·      11/22/14: Tamir Rice is killed by police in Cleveland while playing with a toy gun ·      11/24/14: Announcement that there will be no indictment in Michael Brown case ·      4/19/15: Freddie Gray dies in Baltimore while in police custody ·      6/17/15: Charleston church shooting kills 9 people ·      7/13/15: Sandra Bland is found hung in Texas jail cell   STATS ·      99% of killings by police from 2013-2019 have not resulted in officers being charged with crime. ·      Unarmed Black people were killed by police at 5x the rate of unarmed white people in 2015. ·      Police killed at least 104 unarmed Black people in 2015— nearly 2x a week. ·      1 in 3 young Black men will be incarcerated in their life (compared to 1 in 17 white men). ·      13TH DOC: “The film’s premise is that while the 13th Amendment to the Constitution eliminated slavery and involuntary servitude, it in effect had an unintentional loophole that asserted “except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted.”” ·      Black people make up 6.5% of the American population but make up 40.2% of the prison population. ·      Our prison population went from less than 200k in 1970 to 2.3m today. This is what we refer to when we talk about mass incarceration.   THERE ARE PROVEN STRATEGIES that significantly reduce police killings, but very few Police Departments have adopted them. These are: Requirements that officers use all means other than shooting (decreases death by 25%) Requires all use of force be reported (decreases death by 25%) Bans chokeholds + strangleholds (decreases death by 22%) Has use of force continuum (decreases death by 19%) Requires de-escalation (decreases death by 15%) Duty to intervene if another officer uses excessive force (decreases death by 9%) Restricts shooting at moving vehicles (decreases death by 8%) Requires warning before shooting (decreases death by 5%) *You can call your local representatives and demand these 8 things be instituted with your local law enforcement. Want to learn more? Click here: https://8cantwait.org   WHY DO BLACK LIVES MATTER? My Personal Reckoning: 2016 ·      I didn’t realize my own white privilege for a long time. I felt better than the other white people when it came to bias and racism because I grew up in a broken home filled with drugs, addiction, affairs, and even lived in a town where I was a minority. The reality is I have loved Black culture for most of my life, but I have done very little to be an advocate for justice for my Black brothers and sisters. I’m so sorry for this. ·      I received a DM from a Black woman who encouraged me to diversify who I was interviewing on The Refined Woman. Almost all of my collaborations and interviews for the first few years of The Refined Woman were with white women. I was a white girl blogger. ·      In 2016 I also wrote an All Lives Matter blog post that fortunately never went live. I didn’t understand what it meant that Black Lives Matter. As a Christian I assumed didn’t all lives matter? Thank God I have a team, and thank God I didn’t go live with that painful article. I was very, very wrong.    Black Lives Matter, and here’s why:   Jesus was a 1st Century Palestinian Jewish man. He had brown skin and was hated by the religious, and beaten and killed by law enforcement. If he was alive today in America, he’d be a minority immigrant who probably wouldn’t step foot inside white evangelical churches except to flip over tables. The Western Evangelical Church in America has become a religion for rich, advantaged, and privileged white people—which is the exact opposite of the roots of Christianity and the life of Jesus. Jesus hung out with the oppressed people of society, those ostracized, those who didn’t feel safe in the church—those who were judged and cast off. He fought for justice, restored dignity and humanity from the woman at the well, woman caught in adultery, to touching people with contagious diseases and engaging with people outside of the Jewish law which would have made him unclean in Jewish circles. But he didn’t care, because He was on a mission to do God’s work.   Friend, if you are a follower of Jesus and do not have a heart for justice, racial reconciliation and to see the systemic walls, pillars, and foundations of racism in our country to be dismantled, you are out of alignment with the heart of God.   Who does Jesus care about?   -       Prodigal Son returns: the jealous brother instead of the father rejoicing over the return + safety of his son. But don’t I matter—OF COURSE YOU MATTER, BUT YOUR BROTHER WAS LOST + NOW IS FOUND.    -       Luke 15: Jesus leaves the 99 to go after the one sheep. He cares about the individual.   It’s time to get back in touch with the heart of Jesus. Do all lives matter? YES. But until Black lives matter—we better go after that. Jesus went after the one.   What can you do?    #1: Acknowledge If we don’t heal our past, it will follow us. And ours is HAUNTING US. -Kat Harris   1.     Until we acknowledge the experience of what it means to be a Black person in America there is no chance at healing. 2.     When someone dies, you show up. 3.     “I don’t know the full story.” You don’t have to. 4.     “People are just reposting for attention…not for the right reasons.” You don’t know their hearts. And so what? Does that mean you get to stay silent? 5.     Here’s what’s true: in 1619 was when the first wave of Black people were kidnapped from Africa to become slaves in Jamestown. July 4th isn’t a celebration of independence for Black people. They weren’t free when those freedom bells rang. America was built on the backs of terrorism and genocide and slavery of Black people, people of color and indigenous people. 6.     If we don’t heal our past, it will follow us. And ours is HAUNTING US. 7.     We have to look back before we can move forward. 8.     One of the first things we can do is acknowledge our white privilege. What is white privilege and how do you know if you have it? Go through these statements.   #2: Get Curious I STARTED NOTICING + GETTING CURIOUS: ·      Why did I have so few Black friends? ·      Why were there some Black people and people of color at my church but none on staff or leadership or in the decision-making rooms? ·      I changed churches because I wanted to be a part of a community with women in leadership, then I noticed almost every week at church I could count on one hand the number of Black people at my church…why? ·      Why were influential Black Christian people like Lecrae + Andre Henry leaving the church? ·      How come at my favorite salad place every single person in line buying was white and all the people working in the buffet are Black? ·      How come the expensive gym I had a membership to had mostly white members, and yet almost every single one of the people working there from front desk to maintenance are Black? ·      This started making me very uncomfortable. I didn’t know what to do—so I’d talk with my friends about it…but really I didn’t do much about it. I deeply regret this. #3: PRAY + REPENT: ·      When have you been complicit, silent, and chosen ignorance out of comfort and convenience? Write it down, say it out loud, pray, and repent. ·      Psalm 13 is great to walk through lament. ·      Psalm 51 is great to walk through repentance. #4: ACTIVATE: ·      Sign petitions for racial justice. change.org is a great start for this! ·      Talk with friends and family. ·      When you see racism, call it out. ·      Post on your platforms. ·      Call your local representatives and demand justice. ·      Support Black-owned businesses. ·      Donate to Historically Black Colleges and Universities. ·      Go to https://www.grassrootslaw.org to find out how you can support policing and justice in America. ·      Read this: 75 Things White People Can Do for Racial Justice by Corinne Shutack    #5: ORGANIZATIONS TO SUPPORT: ·      Equal Justice Initiative (Bryan Stevenson) ·      Be the Bridge (Latasha Morrison) and her wonderful resource page, “Where Do I Start?” ·      WhereChangeStarted.com has a great anti-racism starter kit ·      The Innocence Project ·      To help pay bail for protestors in NYC, money can be Venmo’ed to @bailoutnycmay.  ·      City-specific bailouts. ·      ACLU ·      NAACP ·      UNCF   #6: READ: “Stop asking us to give you books. Stop asking us to do research. Listen y’all were able to do mathematic equations through some Black women and then your own stuff and to be able to go to the moon, and put a flag in it and dance around and do the west coast strut. How in the world can you go from the earth to the moon and you can’t do research on the racial history that we need to fight in this country. I don’t want to be traumatized by teaching you history. I want you to grow up in your spiritual maturity, and grow up in your faith, and go on the sanctifying journey of overriding the patriotic way that we’ve learned history in America.” - Pastor Eric Mason   1.     White Fragility by Robin DiAngelo 2.     So You Want to Take About Race by Ijeoma Oluo 3.     The Person You Mean to Be by Dolly Chugh 4.     We Were Eight Years in Power by Ta-Nehisi Coates 5.     How to Be an Antiracist by Ibram X. Kendi 6.     I’m Still Here: Black Dignity in a World Made for Whiteness by Austin Channing Brown 7.     Between the World and Me by Ta-Nehisi Coates 8.     Woke Church by Eric Mason 9.     The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness by Michelle Alexander 10.  Jesus and the Disinherited by Howard Thurman 11.  Great Speeches by Frederick Douglass 12.  Waking up White and Finding Myself in the Story of Race by Debby Irving 13.  Ghetto by Mitchell Duneier 14.  More than Just Race: Being Black and Poor in the Inner City by William Julius Wilson 15.  Stamped from the Beginning: The Definitive History of Racist Ideas in America by Ibram X. Kendi 16.  A Testament of Hope by Martin Luther King Jr. 17.  Prejudice and Racism by James M. Jones 18.  Blindspot: Hidden Biases of Good People by Mahzarin R. Banaji 19.  Tears We Cannot Stop: A Sermon to White America by Dr. Michael Eric Dyson 20.  I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou 21.  All About Love by Bell Hooks 22.  Well-Read Black Girl by Glory Edim 23.  Go Tell it on the Mountain by James Baldwin 24.  Heavy: An American Memoir by Kiese Laymon 25.  There Will Be No Miracles Here by Casey Gerald 26.  Paradise by Toni Morrison 27.  Healing Racial Trauma by Sheila Wise Rowe 28.  Their Eyes Were Watching God by Zora Neale Hurston 29.  The Lies that Bind: Rethinking Identity by Kwame Anthony Appiah 30.  The Very Good Gospel by Lisa Sharon Harper 31.  The Prophetic Imagination by Walter Brueggemann 32.  Prophetic Lament: A Call for Justice in Troubled Times by Dr. Soong-Chan Rah 33.  Divided by Faith: Evangelical Religion and the Problem of Race in America by Michael O. Emerson and Christian Smith 34.  Just Mercy by Bryan Stevenson 35.  The Color of Law: A Forgotten History of How Our Government Segregated America by Richard Rothstein 36.  Human(Kind) by Ashlee Eiland 37.  A Day Late and a Dollar Short by Terry McMillan 38.  Kindred by Octavia E. Butler 39.  Beloved by Toni Morrison 40.  White Teeth by Zadie Smith 41.  Discerning the Voice of God by Priscilla Shirer 42.  Detours: The Unpredictable Path to Your Destiny by Tony Evans 43.  Unashamed by Lecrae 44.  Believe Bigger by Marshawn Evans Daniels   ARTICLE + WEBSITES 1.     Code Switch: Race in Your Face 2.     White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack by Peggy McIntosh 3.     NYTimes An Antiracist Reading List compiled by Ibram X. Kendi 4.     Goodgooodgood.co Anti-racism resources compiled by Sarah Sophie Flicker and Alyssa Klein 5.     Buzzfeed’s An Essential Reading Guide for Fighting Racism by Arianna Rebolini 6.     1619 Project (NY Times) – an article series on the history and legacy of slavery in America (also a podcast below). There is a book project in the works to expand on what they’ve started. 7.     The America We Need (NY Times) – a NYT Opinion series that touches on justice in the midst of the pandemic. 8.     “Walking While Black” by Garnette Cadogan   WATCH: 1.     Pastor Eric Mason: Don’t Lose Heart: Why It’s Worth It to Fight for Racial Harmony Even When We Don’t See Progress 2.     Pastor Carl Lentz: I said, “Black Lives Matter” 3.     Dr. Robin DiAngelo’s talk on White Fragility at the University of Washington 4.     How to Deconstruct Racism One Headline at a Time, TEDtalk, Baratunde Thurston  5.     How Racism Makes Us Sick, TEDtalk, David R. Williams  6.     Racial Reconciliation, Latasha Morrison’s sermon, National Community Church  7.     The Privilege Walk   8.     Jon Tyson and David Bailey, class, race, reconciliation, and the Kingdom of God   9.     Becoming Brave: Reconciliation Rooted in Prayer – “why do we need the church?” by Rev. Dr. Brenda Salter McNeil     Movies to watch on Netflix: 1.     13th 2.     American Son 3.     Dear White People 4.     See You Yesterday 5.     When They See Us   Movies to watch on Hulu: 1.     If Beale Street Could Talk 2.     The Hate U Give   Movies to rent: 1.     Black Power Mixtape: 1967-1975 2.     Clemency 3.     Fruitvale Station 4.     I am Not Your Negro 5.     Just Mercy 6.     Selma 7.     The Black Panthers: Vanguard of the Revolution 8.     BlacKkKlansman 9.     Burden 10.  The Color of Fear   Listen to these podcasts: 1.     NPR’s Code Switch 2.     Season 2 of In the Dark 3.     Hope & Hard Pills with Andre Henry 4.     Her with Amena Brown 5.     Truth’s Table Podcast 6.     Fights and Feelings with Joseph Solomon 7.     Anti-Racism with Andre Henry on The Liturgists 8.     Pod Save the People 9.     1619 Project Podcast 10.  Scene on Radio’s “Seeing White” 11.  Why Tho   The Refined Collective episodes on race: 1.     Anxiety, Race, and Healing Community with Nikia Phoenix 2.     I’m Still Here: Black Dignity in a World Made for Whiteness with Austin Channing Brown 3.     Why Being a ‘Good Person’ Prevents You From Being Better with Jeana Marinelli   People to follow: 1.     @austinchanning 2.     @theconsciouskid 3.     @blackcoffeewithwhitefriends 4.     @theandrehenry 5.     @colorofchange 6.     @rachel.cargle 7.     @ibramxk 8.     @mspackyetti 9.     @blklivesmatter 10.  @osopepatrisse 11.  @reformlajails 12.  @akilahh 13.  @showingupforracialjustice 14.  @tyalexander 15.  @tiffanybluhm 16.  @natashaannmiller 17.  @thefaithfeast 18.  @louisa.wells 19.  @abigaileernisse 20.  @jessicamalatyrivera 21.  @thegreatunlearn 22.  @laylafsaad 23.  @luvvie 24.  @pastorgabbycwilkes 25.  @elevateny 26.  @pastoremase 27.  @lecrae 28.  @whatisjoedoing 29.  @sarahjakesroberts 30.  @bishopjakes 31.  @devonfranklin 32.  @iammiketodd 33.  @amenabee 34.  @shaunking   You don’t have to read all 44 books in one day. You don’t have to start a non-profit. BUT YOU DO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. I have not read every single one of these resources, but am making my way through them one by one. I am with you on the journey.   What are you committed to? How are you going to ensure that you are no longer silent? It’s time for white people to do something.   We are co-creators with God; it’s time to get to work.

The fourth episode of Soulthentic Podcast is a call to action in creating a new narrative in society. This episode goes into the current events around George Floyd and the deep systemic issues of racism and discrimination that are now coming to the forefront of consciousness. As the individual and collective conscious face these shadows, it is important to realize that it is all meant for a more just and equal society. Many of us have subscribed to institutions and systems that are built on fear of the other and separation - it is time for a new narrative. It is time for each of us to acknowledge the suffering and to engage in change by using our gifts to spread awareness, to support one another, and to create a brighter future.While we are experiencing this shift in consciousness, taking care of ourselves and others is crucial. This episode dives into the benefits of meditation and the different types of meditation that can help during these heavy transits. Linh talks about her personal experiences with meditation and shares tips on ways to meditate. Here are resources below to listen and learn about systemic racism, to engage against racial injustice and inequality, and to support one another in the fight for human rights.1. Institutionalized Racism: A Syllabus 2. ANTI-RACISM Resources document by Sarah Sophie Flicker, Alyssa Klein3. Resources for Accountability and Action for Black Lives by Carlisa Johnson4. Guide to AllyshipHere are a few voices from the Black community that I subscribe to:- Ancient Wisdom Podcast with @shamandurek- Black Girl In Om with @hellolaurenash- 2 Dope Queens with Jessica Williams & Phoebe Robinson- @koyaweb, @ayanagabriellelage, @lalahdeliaPlease take care during these times. With gratitude,@linhembodied--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/soulthenticpodcast/support This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit souleomedicine.substack.com

If you are like me, and you're looking for materials to help educate yourself and have a clearer understanding click the link below. ANTI-RACISM INFORMATION Document compiled by Sarah Sophie Flicker, Alyssa Klein in May 2020.Trudie Lebron Training: https://www.trudilebron.com/emergencyworkshopWant to donate to the cause? Our company donated here: https://blacklivesmatter.com/

In the final episode of the season, Kathryn and Laura spend some time discussing a few of their favorite ideas regarding transforming the new semester and new school year for the fall of 2020 as education moves from emergency remote to emerging redesign. We recorded the new intro on June 3, 2020, and the resources below have helped shape our thinking and grow our knowledge of racial injustice and inequality. Resources for Antiracist Self-Work:  “To my white educators…” twitter thread from Joe Truss, Culturally Responsive Leadership An Antiracist Reading List, Ibram X. Kendi Why #BlackLivesMatter in Your Classroom Too, Cornelius Minor To White Educators: We Must Remember Our Anger When Anger Feels Less Comfortable, Jess Lifshitz Framing Brave Conversations About Race and Ethnicity, Sheldon Eakins, Leading Equity Center Anti-Racism Resources, compiled by Sarah Sophie Flicker, Alyssa Klein in May 2020 A Decade of Watching Black People Die, Code Switch podcast A Digital Learning Radio episode from last year about self-work: Our Journey Begins - Caring Enough to Step In Resources Mentioned in the Episode: The New Pillars of Modern Teaching, Gayle Allen Curious Minds: Gayle Allen & Priya Parker on The Art of Gathering Together Apart Podcast, Priya Parker Reopening School: What it Might Look Like, Jennifer Gonzalez  Let’s Not Go Back, Let’s Go Forward, Silvia Tolisano “Include the entire community” twitter chat idea shared by Knikole Taylor TEDxNYED, Heidi Hayes Jacobs Connect with Kathryn @kklaster Connect with Laura @mslkile Connect with DigLearning Radio @DigLearnRadio

Here is a shorter link: bit.ly/ANTIRACISMRESOURCESResources for white parents to raise anti-racist children:Books:Coretta Scott King Book Award Winners: books for children and young adultsPodcasts:Parenting Forward podcast episode ‘Five Pandemic Parenting Lessons with Cindy Wang Brandt’Fare of the Free Child podcastArticles:PBS’s Teaching Your Child About Black History MonthThe Conscious Kid: follow them on Instagram and consider signing up for their PatreonArticles to read:“America’s Racial Contract Is Killing Us” by Adam Serwer | Atlantic (May 8, 2020)Ella Baker and the Black Freedom Movement (Mentoring a New Generation of Activists”My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant” by Jose Antonio Vargas | NYT Mag (June 22, 2011)The 1619 Project (all the articles) | The New York Times MagazineThe Combahee River Collective Statement“The Intersectionality Wars” by Jane Coaston | Vox (May 28, 2019)Tips for Creating Effective White Caucus Groups developed by Craig Elliott PhD”White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack” by Knapsack Peggy McIntosh“Who Gets to Be Afraid in America?” by Dr. Ibram X. Kendi | Atlantic (May 12, 2020)Videos to watch:Black Feminism & the Movement for Black Lives: Barbara Smith, Reina Gossett, Charlene Carruthers (50:48)"How Studying Privilege Systems Can Strengthen Compassion" | Peggy McIntosh at TEDxTimberlaneSchools (18:26)Podcasts to subscribe to:1619 (New York Times)About RaceCode Switch (NPR)Intersectionality Matters! hosted by Kimberlé CrenshawMomentum: A Race Forward PodcastPod For The Cause (from The Leadership Conference on Civil & Human Rights)Pod Save the People (Crooked Media)Seeing WhiteBooks to read:Black Feminist Thought by Patricia Hill CollinsEloquent Rage: A Black Feminist Discovers Her Superpower by Dr. Brittney CooperHeavy: An American Memoir by Kiese LaymonHow To Be An Antiracist by Dr. Ibram X. KendiI Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya AngelouJust Mercy by Bryan StevensonMe and White Supremacy by Layla F. SaadRaising Our Hands by Jenna ArnoldRedefining Realness by Janet MockSister Outsider by Audre LordeSo You Want to Talk About Race by Ijeoma OluoThe Bluest Eye by Toni MorrisonThe Fire Next Time by James BaldwinThe New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness by Michelle AlexanderThe Next American Revolution: Sustainable Activism for the Twenty-First Century by Grace Lee BoggsThe Warmth of Other Suns by Isabel WilkersonTheir Eyes Were Watching God by Zora Neale HurstonThis Bridge Called My Back: Writings by Radical Women of Color by Cherríe MoragaWhen Affirmative Action Was White: An Untold History of Racial Inequality in Twentieth-Century America by Ira KatznelsonWhite Fragility: Why It's So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism by Robin DiAngelo, PhDFilms and TV series to watch:13th (Ava DuVernay) — NetflixAmerican Son (Kenny Leon) — NetflixBlack Power Mixtape: 1967-1975 — Available to rentClemency (Chinonye Chukwu) — Available to rentDear White People (Justin Simien) — NetflixFruitvale Station (Ryan Coogler) — Available to rentI Am Not Your Negro (James Baldwin doc) — Available to rent or on KanopyIf Beale Street Could Talk (Barry Jenkins) — HuluJust Mercy (Destin Daniel Cretton) — Available to rentKing In The Wilderness  — HBOSee You Yesterday (Stefon Bristol) — NetflixSelma (Ava DuVernay) — Available to rentThe Black Panthers: Vanguard of the Revolution — Available to rentThe Hate U Give (George Tillman Jr.) — Hulu with CinemaxWhen They See Us (Ava DuVernay) — NetflixOrganizations to follow on social media:Antiracism Center: TwitterAudre Lorde Project: Twitter | Instagram | FacebookBlack Women’s Blueprint: Twitter | Instagram | FacebookColor Of Change: Twitter | Instagram | FacebookColorlines: Twitter | Instagram | FacebookThe Conscious Kid: Twitter | Instagram | FacebookEqual Justice Initiative (EJI): Twitter | Instagram | FacebookFamilies Belong Together: Twitter | Instagram | FacebookThe Leadership Conference on Civil & Human Rights: Twitter | Instagram | FacebookMPowerChange: Twitter | Instagram | FacebookMuslim Girl: Twitter | Instagram | FacebookNAACP: Twitter | Instagram | FacebookNational Domestic Workers Alliance: Twitter | Instagram | FacebookRAICES: Twitter | Instagram | FacebookShowing Up for Racial Justice (SURJ): Twitter | Instagram | FacebookSisterSong: Twitter | Instagram | FacebookUnited We Dream: Twitter | Instagram | FacebookMore anti-racism resources to check out:75 Things White People Can Do for Racial JusticeAnti-Racism ProjectJenna Arnold’s resources (books and people to follow)Rachel Ricketts’ anti-racism resourcesResources for White People to Learn and Talk About Race and RacismSave the Tears: White Woman’s Guide by Tatiana MacShowing Up For Racial Justice’s educational toolkits“Why is this happening?” — an introduction to police brutality from 100 Year HoodieZinn Education Project’s teaching materialsDocument compiled by Sarah Sophie Flicker, Alyssa Klein in May 2020.

Hi Everyone,This week we decided not to publish a new episode, because we would love for you to know about and listen to these amazing podcasts.Code Switch Podcast1619About RaceThe Diversity GapIntersectionality Matters!Momentum: a race forward podcastPod for the cause Pod Save the PeopleSeeing WhiteGood Ancestor PodcastThank you to Sarah Sophie Flicker and Alyssa Klein for compiling this document of anti-racism resources for white people. You might also want to check out these links: Ways to Help and Anguish and Action.We love you all,Caitlin & Emma

Episode 13 - Pillow Talk With Bros is observing blackout Tuesday to combat racial discrimination and social injustice. I will use this time to reflect on the actions I need to take to support the black community. I implore you to do the same. Today's episode is 8 minutes and 46 seconds of silence. The amount of time Officer Chauvin had his knee on George Floyd's neck. I ask that you take the full 8:46 to reflect on what you can DO to help support our black community. I encourage you to read, and educate yourself. Below is a list of resources where you can start. #theshowmustbepaused #blacklivesmatterAnti-racism resources for white people: https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1BRlF2_zhNe86SGgHa6-VlBO-QgirITwCTugSfKie5Fs/mobilebasicResources for white parents to raise anti-racist children:Books:Coretta Scott King Book Award Winners: books for children and young adults31 Children's books to support conversations on race, racism and resistancePodcasts:Parenting Forward podcast episode ‘Five Pandemic Parenting Lessons with Cindy Wang Brandt’Fare of the Free Child podcastArticles:PBS’s Teaching Your Child About Black History MonthYour Kids Aren't Too Young to Talk About Race: Resource Roundup from Pretty GoodThe Conscious Kid: follow them on Instagram and consider signing up for their Patreon Articles to read:“America’s Racial Contract Is Killing Us” by Adam Serwer | Atlantic (May 8, 2020)Ella Baker and the Black Freedom Movement (Mentoring a New Generation of Activists”My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant” by Jose Antonio Vargas | NYT Mag (June 22, 2011)The 1619 Project (all the articles) | The New York Times MagazineThe Combahee River Collective Statement“The Intersectionality Wars” by Jane Coaston | Vox (May 28, 2019)Tips for Creating Effective White Caucus Groups developed by Craig Elliott PhD”White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack” by Knapsack Peggy McIntosh“Who Gets to Be Afraid in America?” by Dr. Ibram X. Kendi | Atlantic (May 12, 2020) Videos to watch:Black Feminism & the Movement for Black Lives: Barbara Smith, Reina Gossett, Charlene Carruthers (50:48)"How Studying Privilege Systems Can Strengthen Compassion" | Peggy McIntosh at TEDxTimberlaneSchools (18:26) Podcasts to subscribe to:1619 (New York Times)About RaceCode Switch (NPR)Intersectionality Matters! hosted by Kimberlé CrenshawMomentum: A Race Forward PodcastPod For The Cause (from The Leadership Conference on Civil & Human Rights)Pod Save the People (Crooked Media)Seeing White Books to read:Black Feminist Thought by Patricia Hill CollinsEloquent Rage: A Black Feminist Discovers Her Superpower by Dr. Brittney CooperHeavy: An American Memoir by Kiese LaymonHow To Be An Antiracist by Dr. Ibram X. KendiI Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya AngelouJust Mercy by Bryan StevensonMe and White Supremacy by Layla F. SaadRaising Our Hands by Jenna ArnoldRedefining Realness by Janet Mock Sister Outsider by Audre LordeSo You Want to Talk About Race by Ijeoma OluoThe Bluest Eye by Toni MorrisonThe Fire Next Time by James BaldwinThe New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness by Michelle AlexanderThe Next American Revolution: Sustainable Activism for the Twenty-First Century by Grace Lee BoggsThe Warmth of Other Suns by Isabel WilkersonTheir Eyes Were Watching God by Zora Neale HurstonThis Bridge Called My Back: Writings by Radical Women of Color by Cherríe MoragaWhen Affirmative Action Was White: An Untold History of Racial Inequality in Twentieth-Century America by Ira KatznelsonWhite Fragility: Why It's So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism by Robin DiAngelo, PhD Films and TV series to watch:13th (Ava DuVernay) — NetflixAmerican Son (Kenny Leon) — NetflixBlack Power Mixtape: 1967-1975 — Available to rentClemency (Chinonye Chukwu) — Available to rentDear White People (Justin Simien) — NetflixFruitvale Station (Ryan Coogler) — Available to rentI Am Not Your Negro (James Baldwin doc) — Available to rent or on KanopyIf Beale Street Could Talk (Barry Jenkins) — HuluJust Mercy (Destin Daniel Cretton) — Available to rentKing In The Wilderness  — HBOSee You Yesterday (Stefon Bristol) — NetflixSelma (Ava DuVernay) — Available to rentThe Black Panthers: Vanguard of the Revolution — Available to rentThe Hate U Give (George Tillman Jr.) — Hulu with CinemaxWhen They See Us (Ava DuVernay) — Netflix Organizations to follow on social media:Antiracism Center: TwitterAudre Lorde Project: Twitter | Instagram | Facebook Black Women’s Blueprint: Twitter | Instagram | FacebookColor Of Change: Twitter | Instagram | FacebookColorlines: Twitter | Instagram | FacebookThe Conscious Kid: Twitter | Instagram | FacebookEqual Justice Initiative (EJI): Twitter | Instagram | FacebookFamilies Belong Together: Twitter | Instagram | FacebookThe Leadership Conference on Civil & Human Rights: Twitter | Instagram | FacebookMPowerChange: Twitter | Instagram | Facebook Muslim Girl: Twitter | Instagram | FacebookNAACP: Twitter | Instagram | FacebookNational Domestic Workers Alliance: Twitter | Instagram | FacebookRAICES: Twitter | Instagram | Facebook Showing Up for Racial Justice (SURJ): Twitter | Instagram | FacebookSisterSong: Twitter | Instagram | FacebookUnited We Dream: Twitter | Instagram | Facebook More anti-racism resources to check out:75 Things White People Can Do for Racial JusticeAnti-Racism ProjectJenna Arnold’s resources (books and people to follow)Rachel Ricketts’ anti-racism resourcesResources for White People to Learn and Talk About Race and RacismSave the Tears: White Woman’s Guide by Tatiana MacShowing Up For Racial Justice’s educational toolkits“Why is this happening?” — an introduction to police brutality from 100 Year HoodieZinn Education Project’s teaching materials Document compiled by Sarah Sophie Flicker, Alyssa Klein in May 2020.

The fact that I have white skin means I have privilege. To be situated in ourselves + truly own the messages within, our intuition, means that we cannot look away at injustice any longer. If you are interested in the revolution that is + has been happening, I have compiled a list of resources for you to dive into if you’d like. Please understand that this is not an exhaustive list. This is a sampling of ways to be actively involved in supporting POC + deepening your understanding of white privilege. Instead of asking POC to educate you for free, or really anyone for that matter, pay POC for their courses, classes, + books on the very information you are looking for. What I am sharing again, is a SAMPLING of resources. Use your intuition to guide you to which of these calls to you + take action. Thank you for being here + available for this work. A sampling of places you can support + donate to: @blklivesmatter@mnfreedomfund@aclu@blackvisioncollective Official George Floyd memorial fundhttps://www.change.org/p/andy-beshear-justice-for-breonna-taylor---Follow these people + organizations on IG:@rachel.cargle@thegreatunlearn@ckyourprivilege@tamikadmallory@NAACP@fams2getherI have also been enjoying @lightwatkins videos he posts ---BOOKS that have been suggested ( ALL LINKED):Blood in My Eye by, George JacksonMy Grandmother’s Hands by, Resmaa MenakemBluest Eye by, Toni MorrisonI Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by, Maya Angelou White Fragility by, Robin DiangeloSo You Want To Talk About Race by, Ijeoma OluoMe & White Supremacy by, Layla F. SaadClick here for a document of antiracism resources compiled by Sarah Sophie Flicker and Alyssa KleinYou can also send messages to your congressional representatives. --- Information gathered from researching and more specifically offerings/lists from @summerfridays, @frithfarm, @goodgoodgoodco which retrieved their list from Sarah Sophie Flicker + Alyssa Klein.

Our model of the primary determinants of health is the Four Pillars: food, sleep, stress, and movement. These things are in our individual control – or at least, that’s how we think of them and talk about them, most of the time. But the truth is, there’s a fifth pillar, and it can directly impact how an individual person eats, sleeps, and moves, as well as what stressors they are subject to. It’s community.In our society, systemic oppression in the form of racism, sexism, heteronormativity, ableism, and other such forces mean that minorities and oppressed groups are subject to greater health risks than their privileged peers. This remains true even if we compare individuals with similar socioeconomic status, health history, etc. The health impacts of systemic oppression are something that holistic practitioners cannot ignore if they truly want to work to heal “the whole person”.Our work must go beyond the individual, and address injustices at the community and societal levels.A small sample of the research on racial health disparities and the social determinants of health:Uprooting Institutionalized Racism as Public Health Practice, Bassett & Graves. American Journal of Public Health. 2018 April; 108(4): 457–458.Structural racism and health inequities in the USA: evidence and interventions, Bailey et al. The Lancet. 2017; 389(10077): 1453–1463.Vital Signs: Racial Disparities in Age-Specific Mortality Among Blacks or African Americans — United States, 1999–2015, Cunningham et al. Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. 2017 May; 66(17): 444-456.Resources to learn more and get involved:Anti-racism resources for white people, compiled by Sarah Sophie Flicker & Alyssa KleinCampaign Zero – Proven policy solutions to end police violence.Prison Policy Initiative – Research & advocacy on mass criminalization & incarceration.Integrative Medicine for the UnderservedToi Scott’s list of POC Healers, herbalists, herb schools, etcNorthstar Health CollectiveMutual Aid Hub – Find mutual aid networks and other community self-support projects near you!Our theme music is “Wings” by Nicolai Heidlas.Support the show (https://commonwealthherbs.com/supporters/)

Angélique chats with activist, producer, writer, filmmaker, cultural organizer, creative director, and aerialist,Sarah Sophie Flicker, about homeschooling, giving space when self-isolated with family, digital activism and how folks can still give back And social distance.  WATCH HERE: https://t.co/pZ9xJPG4WA Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah Sophie Flicker, co-organizer of the 2017 Women's March, joins the final episode of The Summer Love Series to talk about how the changing role of women is shaping romantic relationships. Sarah Sophie and Damona also answer listener questions including: how to set your dating standards without coming off as aggressive and tips for dating older men. Damona closes out the Summer Love Series with a Romance Rollback on the history of "Summer Love." Find Sarah Sophie on Instagram! You deserve lingerie that fits your body and makes you feel sexy and confident in and out of the bedroom. Use the code datesandmates to get your 10% off at BabeYou.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We are kicking off the new year with a special edition episode - Motherhood: A Revolutionary Act recorded live at The Wing. For the first time, we bridged the gap between moms and women without children by inviting Hawa Arsala and Sarah Sophie Flicker to join us in conversation.The aim was the demystify motherhood, discuss how women with and without children can support one another and what does it mean to raise a child in our current political, social and environmental climate. Tune in and take notes!

Over the summer Rebecca spoke with Sarah Sophie Flicker and Paola Mendoza, organizers of the Women's March. What followed was a passionate conversation about ways we can shift culture, connect to our communities, and how the Women's March birthed activists from everyday people. Through their despair over various social issues, Paola and Sarah Sophie tell us how love keeps them moving, day after day. Warning: You may want to keep a box of tissues handy, this episode gets emotional. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/superwomen/support

This week, we’re talking with Resistance Revival Chorus members Sarah Sophie Flicker and Meah Pace. You’ll hear their performances of protest songs new and old, as well as their thoughts on song and sisterhood, intersectionality, singing at the Grammy’s with Kesha for #TimesUp & the #MeToo movement, the Womens March principles, parenthood, and self care. FULL show notes including all song credits and sources, references from this episode, and production credits can be found at https://www.healingjustice.org/episodes-1/resistance-revival-chorus Resistance Revival Chorus is a collective of more than 60 self-identified women who come together to sing protest songs in the spirit of collective joy & resistance. They honor the long tradition of music and protest songs in civil rights movements, and honor that tradition by uplifting historical songs as well as creating new ones for our current moment. They are calling for a resistance revival of our spirits, of our commitment to the movement, of our joy and of our power. They perform regularly in NYC, and have graced the stage with such greats as Kesha and Carly Simon. Check out the toolkit to start your own Resitance Revival Chorus here: https://medium.com/@resistancerevivalchorus/resistance-revival-chorus-tool-kit-260ed7438977 Download the corresponding practice (30 Practice: Sing for Freedom) to join Resistance Revival Chorus Musical Director Abena Koomson Davis in a meditative singing and listening practice you can do alone or in a group. Get ready to hear her beautiful voice and join in! Practice episodes always publish on Thursdays. --- ✨ NEW REWARD FOR OUR DONORS!  ✨You can get your very own handcrafted magical essence for a limited time by becoming a $13 level donor or above on our Patreon account to support the podcast! Go to www.patreon.com/healingjustice to get yours & support this project.  

Welcome back! We’re pumped to have you here for Season 2. Here to kick us off is Neha Gandhi, the COO and editor-in-chief of Girlboss, a new publication “for women redefining success on their own terms.” Sounds about right to us. Neha told us all about her start in journalism, what it’s like to manage teams of mostly women, and how group texts with her friends keep her grounded (you’ll LOVE the rosebud and thorn analogy, promise). > First of all, maybe it’s ok to be selfish and put yourself first, and put your career first at times. But also, ambition is not a dirty word. That said, none of us feel ambitious all the time, and none of us have exactly the same idea of what success looks like. > —Neha Gandhi, editor-in-chief and COO, Girlboss Plus: Having good and bad managers, being good and bad managers, and what we’re doing to cut noninclusive and ableist language from the show. Y’all ready? Link love If you enjoy our convo about manager-ing, check this advice column from The Cut about being a better manager by being vulnerable with your team. Get more on Neha’s background with this interview, and follow her on Twitter for more on pop culture, politics, and the media industry. To hear from speakers like Paola Mendoza and Janet Mock, register for the Girlboss Rally livestream on April 28. For more on the topic of gratefulness and negotiating, check out this advice on how to negotiate when you’re being promoted. And if you’re interested in learning more about inclusive language—and maybe tweaking some of your own habits—check out this list of ableist words and the Conscious Style Guide. Use Slack at work? See if you can get your company to customize Slackbot to nudge your team when they use noninclusive language. Sponsors This episode of NYG is brought to you by: Shopify, a leading global commerce platform that’s building a diverse, intelligent, and motivated team—and they  want to apply to you. Visit shopify.com/careers to see what they’re talking about. _WordPress—the place to build your personal blog, business site, or anything else you want on the web. WordPress helps others find you, remember you, and connect with you. _ Transcript Katel LeDû Shopify builds products that help entrepreneurs around the world start and grow their businesses. Starting from a few people obsessed with personal growth, Shopify is now a team of 3,000 folks working in offices and remote teams across the globe. They’re growing quickly and building an international team that will define the future of entrepreneurship. Visit shopify.com/careers to find out what they’re working on. [Music fades in, plays for nine seconds, fades out]. [0:32] Jenn Lukas Welcome to Season 2 of No, You Go: the show about being ambitious—and sticking together. I’m Jenn Lukas. KL I’m Katel LeDû. Sara Wachter-Boettcher And I’m Sara Wachter-Boettcher, and I’m so excited here for our first episode of Season 2 because we have so much good stuff in store. We are kicking things off today by sharing an awesome interview with Girlboss editor-in-chief and COO Neha Gandhi. She talks to us about building a career in publishing through a dramatically changing landscape, how to redefine success for ourselves, and why talking about money is so difficult. She also talks a lot about what it’s like to grow as a manager. And, actually, can we start there today? KL Yeah, I feel like that—listening to her talk brought up so many sort of thoughts and memories about, you know, just my career as it’s gone so far, and how I’ve had good managers and bad managers, and I feel like having both of those things has helped me grow as a manager, like when I became one for the first time. It was a really sort of frankly awkward situation because I was working in a team of people and I was most of those people’s peers and some of those people’s junior. Like I, you know, I was sort of at a level below and all of a sudden I was their manager. And it was really—a really interesting shift because I had to kind of like not just learn how to manage the team and make them feel like I was there, you know, doing the job well. It wasn’t just awkward, it was also really challenging because I was learning how to be a manager and that in and of itself is like: how do you run processes? How do you manage workflows? How do you, you know, keep things running? But then how do you also you know get the people on the team to feel like you’re there doing the right job, you’re the right person for the job, and you have their best interests in mind. And, for me, I think going directly from being, you know, sort of working with those people at—at the exact same level to being a manager was like … I realized that the more I included them in the process of like me getting up to speed, the more investment they would have in the team succeeding and like moving forward. JL That’s so neat, because [sighs] there’s so many parts to being a manager. So many things to learn and constantly learn even once you’ve been a manager for awhile. But to then also feel you have to prove yourself because you didn’t come into the role as a manager. You transitioned to the role of a manager. It just puts on a whole new layer of things to consider when, you know, trying to really rock your job as a manager. [3:11] KL And especially when you’re, you know, either at a job or a company where there’s either a super strict or defined management style. Like if it’s extremely hierarchical or, I don’t know, not a lot of room for growth. So it’s like not as clear when people become managers or not. Or it’s loosely defined and you’re kind of like trying to figure that out. I think it’s—it’s so hard to identify when you’re a good manager, or when you’re, you know, not being good at that. SWB I remember I first became a manager—I was in my twenties and I was working at an agency and I went from being sort of like the only person doing content strategy and web writing related stuff to taking on sort of like this broader strategic role and bringing in somebody who I managed who was a writer. And then all of a sudden from there I went from having this one direct report to having a team of six staff and two interns who reported to me. And I became a director at the company which meant, you know, at this agency of like 40 people and meant that I reported directly to the owners and I was in all of the senior management meetings, and … there was no advice or guidance about what I was supposed to be doing. And not only that, there wasn’t anybody to take over a lot of the client work that I was responsible [mm hmm mm hmm] … and as a result, I was really overwhelmed and I had these people reporting to me who were great, but I didn’t feel like I was there enough for, and I wasn’t sure how to be there for them. And, you know, about half of them I really felt like I was an appropriate person to be their manager. And the other half felt like, they need a team. And I, you know, like my boss, the owner, was basically like, “We need them to roll up into somebody’s team and, like, you’re it!” [Chuckles] And like that’s not a good reason to have somebody report to you. And—but it created this scenario where, you know, like how was I going to guide and support them if I wasn’t totally sure that I really should be their manager in the first place? [KL Totally] And, you know, what—what I remember most about that experience was that I felt like the most important thing I could do in that moment, given what was available to me, was that I needed to advocate for the people on my team to the other senior managers and to the owners of the company because it was such a like weird transitional time. That was really important and I spent a lot of time there. But, you know, as a result, like I think—I think I did good at that. I did a lot of that. But what I think I did really bad at was being there for them individually, right? So like being able to hold one-on-ones with them and hear about the work that they were struggling with, where they wanted to grow, the sort of individual piece of it. And part of it was that I didn’t have time. I mean I really didn’t have time. But another big part of it was that I didn’t really know how to do that. And that’s like the biggest thing that if I—if I were going to manage a traditional team again, I would want to learn to get better at. JL I can relate so much to what you’re saying. I manage a team now. At Urban, I’m an Engineering Manager. And I … also have always struggled with how do I be a manager and also be an engineer? And I’ve talked to so many other engineering managers that have the same struggle of trying to find that, you know, balance. I’m always trying to find a balance somewhere. And so one of the things I did—I had talked to my manager about some of the stress I was having because I was feeling like I wasn’t doing—I thought I was doing a good job, but I didn’t think I was doing a great job in that I was having a real struggle going from, ok, in the morning, maybe I’d have a touch base, and then later I’d have to go to a meeting about, you know, design specs, and then maybe the next day I’d have another touch base with another direct report. And it was just really hard for me to constantly do the context switching. And so I started instituting Manager Monday, and Manager Monday is where basically I’d come in on Mondays and I’d hold all my touch bases with my direct reports on Mondays. It varies with my direct reports based on how often they want to meet and discuss. So some people I have biweekly touch bases with, some people I have every month, every three weeks, it just depends on the desires of my direct report. And I’ve just now scheduled them all on Monday. Which means: I come in Monday, and that is my focus. I’m going to focus on the management roles of, you know, my job. And it’s really helped me because then I don’t have to context switch back and forth. I come in on Monday, I say, “This is what I’m here for today.” So if other questions get asked, my calendar’s essentially all booked the entire day with management meetings or I block off time to, you know, just work on other things that are directly manager-related. And that has just I feel helped my relationships with my direct reports and my workload so much because I really feel like I can always be there on that day and be in the headspace for it. And like it doesn’t always work, you know, sometimes I’m out, sometimes the direct report is out, sometimes something comes up that I’ll have to move it to like, oh no, Manager Tuesday which doesn’t sound nearly as good [someone else laughs] but you know then it’s like a one off. [8:18] KL That’s so great. I think that’s something that I struggle with, you know, running a business that—I work with all freelancers, all remote folks, you know. This is no one’s full-time job, which has, I think, made it difficult sometimes to have everyone feel like they’re part of, you know, a singular team. And they don’t necessarily need to, but I’ve looked for ways to try to make that happen as much as it’s comfortable and possible for people. But I think that’s been so important because everyone—when you feel like you’re, you know, kind of cruising towards the same goal it’s—it just helps a lot. So. And it’s really beneficial for me because it makes me feel like I’m not just [chuckling] like out there, you know, on my own. JL Yeah, at Urban we had combined engineering teams. So we had a engineering team at Anthropologie and an engineering team at Urban Outfitters and we’re now combined under one team, starting about a year and a half ago. And one of the things that was interesting there was you took two teams and now we’re meshing them together it’s not like—you have to build a new culture! Because all of a sudden you just have a whole new team of people. And so we started a Urban Education and Culture Club where we tried to come up with activities for people to sort of get together and learn from each other and meet each other. And it sort of expanded to the whole building, so not just engineers but other people that are working on the websites and some [?]. And we use a Trello board to manage some of this [laughing]. So what we do is like drop things in like, “Topics People Wanna Learn,” or maybe people want to have, you know, a clicks watching party we did one time. Or, you know, a bowling happy hour. And just ways that we can get together and sort of sometimes it’s … you don’t want to force culture, but sometimes you do have to shape it. And like, you know, help build relationships by having planned activities. Things don’t just happen naturally. You don’t put 200 people in a building and be like, “Ok! Now everyone know each other and be friends.” So I think it’s ok to force a little activities on people—but things that help people learn to grow with each other. [10:19] KL And ultimately that—I think that helps people learn how to work with each other too [mm hmm]. Can I steal that? A Culture Club Apart or something? JL I love it. KL Great [all laugh]. SWB I mean I—I like thinking about how we build cultures and how we shape cultures because I think, you know, in—in industries like tech, oftentimes it’s like people substitute perks for culture [mm hmm]. So it’s like, “Oh we have free beer and ping pong.” Or whatever, right? Like there’s the stereotypes and often that’s like literally what they have and it’s like that is not a culture. [Mm hmm] And sometimes that can create really problematic cultures because it’s like, you know, you get super alcohol-centered or you end up with a culture that’s super male driven, and you don’t really have activities that women feel comfortable participating in, or lots of problems. But I think the big underlying thing is that those perks are not culture. Like culture is something you have to create and foster and [mm hmm] like facilitate and then over time you have to sustain it and all of that is work. And I think that work is super important, it’s not talked about enough, and oftentimes it’s like super devalued. Right? It’s like, that’s the office mom’s job as opposed to a fundamental part of having a workplace that is healthy and, therefore, also productive. JL During my one-on-ones with direct reports we’ll come up with goals and talk about, you know, things and that very often is technical related but sometimes it’s more about building the sharing community of our group. So one of my direct reports wanted to start basically like a code sharing thing which didn’t have to do directly and necessarily with the work we were doing on Urban but any technical problems. So we have something instead of a round table, we call it the dev square table. So we brought the dev square table where we could just look at different pieces of code, either for Urban or outside of the company and, you know, talk about it and share it with each other. So sort of a show and tell for code. Which is really neat because it just gave us a chance to just sit around and—and talk—talk code with each other, which was awesome. Another that we’ve done there was developer’s cinema lunch which then another one of my direct reports, when I went on maternity leave, took over and made it sort of… we’d bring popcorn and it ended up moving outside of lunch. So, don’t worry, we weren’t just eating popcorn for lunch [laughs]. But it was really neat. You know she sort of took what I had and enhanced it by having, basically, we’d watch a video and then discuss it. Talk about like things that we learned in the video. And it just gave us more of a chance to really learn and grow from each other. So it’s really neat, I feel like, to work—to help just outsource it. So it doesn’t become like an office mom thing, but you’re working with the whole team, for the whole team to take part of growing that culture. [12:48] SWB You know, speaking of building culture, that’s definitely something that I thought was really interesting in Neha’s interview. When she joined Girl Boss, it was just a fledgling startup organization and she’s really trying to build that out and figure out what that culture should be there. And so why don’t we go ahead and listen to that interview? KL [Music fades in] Yeah let’s do it. [Music ramps up, plays alone for four seconds, fades out.] KL If you visited us at noyougoshow.com, then you know it’s our hub online. And we use WordPress to run it, because it gives us the freedom and flexibility to share our voices, our way. Make your site your own when you build it with WordPress. No need to do any coding or design, and the WordPress customer support team is there 24/7 to help you get your site working smoothly. And plans start at just four dollars per month. Start building your website today. Go to wordpress.com/noyougo for 15 percent off any new plan purchase. That’s wordpress.com/noyougo for 15 percent off your brand-new website [music fades in and out]. KL Neha Gandhi is the editor-in-chief and chief operating officer of Girlboss, one of our favorite magazines and communities. She’s been building a career in publishing for over a decade, navigating the editorial world at publications like People, Harper’s Bazaar, Seventeen Magazine, and Refinery29. Excuse us while we brush the stars from our eyes. Neha, we are so excited to talk to you. Welcome to No, You Go. Neha Gandhi Thank you so much for having me. I’m so excited to be here. KL Awesome. You’ve had an exciting career in publishing so far, one I’m sure that has been a ton of work. Can you tell us a little bit about your path? NG So I graduated from college a little uncertain all through college about what would I really wanted to do. I think I found my path really through a process of elimination more than anything else. “Oh, I worked at a congressman’s office. Maybe that’s not for me.” “Management consulting: not for me. This non-profit: not for me.” So then I ended up interning at People Magazine one summer right before I graduated and loved it. Except that when I graduated I was like, “Oh I have this one amazing internship, surely I can get a job!” So I was looking for a magazine job and the competition was fierce. Everyone else who was applying for these jobs had had, you know, 10 different editorial internships over the course of four years in college and I had been doing a lot of different things that I, now looking back, really appreciated, but at the time was like, “Oh. I’m not going to be able to find a job.” So I didn’t find a job right out of school. [15:22] NG [Continued] I moved to New York for an internship that paid minimum wage at InStyle. And I’m really grateful for that opportunity. I learned how to fact check, I sat with the copy editors, and I, you know, developed an attention to detail and was able to work on some really cool pages, and do some research. And then I moved over to Meredith which I was a freelance editorial assistant and I got the opportunity to do the job … as like maternity fill-in for the senior fashion and beauty editor. And I think that that was just a great opportunity that came my way probably because they didn’t have the money to really bring on someone for maternity cover. But it really taught me the value of saying, “Oh, yeah, that’s an opportunity. I will absolutely do it. Do I know how to do that job? Definitely not. Do I think I can figure out in the fly? Probably.” So I got to do that and that was where I learned to properly assign, how to edit, how to think about an editorial calendar, and I learned about publishing on the web for the first time there. So that was great and when she came back, they were like, “You know, you probably want to move on and find another job because you don’t really want to go back to that freelance editorial assistant role that you came in for.” So I did. I moved over to Harper’s Bazaar and I started out as an editorial assistant there and then was the online editor there and I, you know, got to sort of help with research, I got to assist, I got to work on the website, which at that time involved a twice a month refresh that, you know, was me adapting some stories from the magazine, taking them down to the 14th floor in the Hearst Tower on like CD-ROM and having them like hard code the website twice a month. So it was a really [chuckles] different time [someone else chuckles] for internet publishing [yeah] but that was great. I learned, you know, everything I know about having proper work ethic and how magazines are run I learned at Bazaar. Well and from there our managing editor at Bazaar went over to Seventeen and he brought me over with him after a couple of months and I got to be the associate lifestyle editor there, and then I took over some of the entertainment pages, and then eventually took over the website, and I was at Seventeen probably for four years, and that was a lot of fun as well, and that was the first time I really had my own pages, and got to contribute in a very different and I got to conceive of ideas, and put them through the entire process, and write stories, and edit stories, and fact check, and all of that good stuff. Um it’s where I became a real editor. And then after that I moved to Refinery29 and I was there for about six years. And I, honestly, just loved the website. I was a big fan of the brand. God, I got to be the deputy editor there, the executive editor there, I got to grow that editorial team from probably eight people to over a hundred, and then I moved into a role as VP of editorial strategy, and got to sort of bridge the divide between editorial, and marketing, and content strategy, and product, and then eventually moved into a role as the SVP of content strategy and innovation, where I really got to dig into analytics and data and think about how do we use the signals—the many, many signals that we get from this audience—to make the best possible work that we can? Things that allow us to grow as a business and be as strategic as possible without ever … sacrificing the quality of the work, and of the brand. And that was really fun. And I probably could’ve stayed there forever because, you know, you stay somewhere for six years in publishing years that feels like three or four lifetimes. I ultimately ended up leaving to take the job that I’m in now at Girlboss because it felt like a big adventure. I met Sophia, the founder of Girlboss, she wrote the book Girlboss in 2014, probably last January, and she and I met over drinks at the hotel she was staying at, and she really talked to me about her vision for what we could build here. We wanted to make less content but really go deep with it and have a lot of purpose and just really add value to this woman’s life. And I got so excited about that. I sort of couldn’t stop thinking about it, which I think is always a good sign when you’re thinking about a new job or making a move. [20:00] NG [Continued] So we had that conversation for a few months and then I finally, officially, accepted in April and I started here in July and we’ve just been sort of … head down trying to get this thing off the ground, and really delivering the promise of what Girlboss can be. SWB So one of the things that really came out as you were sort of going through that story and that trajectory was this sort of shift in thinking that happened along the way, at some point, which is like from this idea of online publishing being somehow like sort of the second-rate piece of it to being something that was really fascinating to you. And I’m curious, like, how did that shift happen for you or what made that shift happen for you, where you saw sort of a big potential for your career to be doing something interesting that was online focused and like online explicitly? NG I think some of that started when I was at Seventeen, partially because the internet changed and because publishing changed, and editors-in-chief and publishers were much more willing to sort of, you know, start thinking about the internet not as a thing that’s going to cannibalize your newsstand sales but as a thing where you can talk to your audience, and you can tell meaningful stories, and you can potentially even make money. That sounds so ridiculous saying that out loud right now but that was really a concern. That was the concern for most magazine publishers in the early 2000s. You know, “That’s never going to be a place where we make money, the internet. So we want to protect all of our hard work from sort of just being given away for free over there.” But that thinking started to shift and at Seventeen I really saw the power of that and especially talking to a teenage audience, you want to be on the internet. You want to be there with them on their social platforms, you want to be tweeting at them, and that was where we got to do really fun programs like I would, you know, live tweet “Glee,” and “Pretty Little Liars,” and all the shows that teenagers were watching then, and then I would take the tweets that our audience was um sharing back, and I would create more storytelling out of it. And that was so much fun, and that felt like what storytelling on the internet could be, suddenly I saw the power of that in a whole new way. So I really credit Seventeen and the editor in chief at the time, Ann Shoket, as well as Julie Hochheiser, who was overseeing the website when I started there because these are people who really were able to understand what could the internet be for this audience, and how do we really maximize its potential? So that was really fun but there was also a part of it that was … it was easier to get a more senior job if you make a shift to the internet. And I don’t know that that’s true today because the business models have changed so much and I think, you know, publishing is a tough place to be these days. But in 2010 I knew like in a very sort of like cut and dry way that if I wanted that deputy editor title, I was going to get it much faster moving to a place that was a startup like Refinery that was internet only, rather than waiting to get there at a print magazine. [23:09] KL So there’s probably not a lot that’s like quote/unquote “typical” about, you know, your day to day but can you—can you just tell us a little bit about what, you know, what you might do in a typical day? NG It’s so fun working at a startup at this stage because what that is changes everyday, and what I try to do for myself is um we have a weekly team stand up, 10am on Mondays, where everyone goes through and says their one priority for the week, and I think at a startup at this stage that’s really hard, and at first we got some pushback that was like, “I can’t pick just one thing. I have a hundred things on my list. Like I could [chuckles] no sooner, you know, choose a star in the heavens.” But that has shifted a little bit and having that meeting has really forced people to prioritize and say, “Ok, it’s Monday today, and what’s the one thing that I need to do in order to feel like I’ve really accomplished something meaningful by Friday?” So that’s how we really think about our time here. So every week is probably different but we set that priority on Monday for each of us and, you know, right now my priority is really thinking about the Girl Boss rally which is coming up on April 28th and we actually moments ago just sold out of our last ticket. So um I’m really excited. We’re going to have a full house and just amazing speakers but that’s really where I’m laser focused right now. So I have meetings with the team. I do a one-on-one for an hour every week with each of my direct reports, and I have an incredible art director, an incredible editorial director, an incredible head of audience, and then an editorial assistant who report to me, and I’ll have their own direct reports, as well as I always do a team meeting with all of those three team leads, and then make sure that I have time with my partner on the revenue side, Alison Wyatt, who’s our incredible CRO and president, to connect probably twice a week. So those are the standing things that happen every week and then I really try to think about how can I make sure that the rest of what I’m doing this week is less about checking things off my to-do list and like dealing with small stuff, obviously important stuff comes up all the time, but it’s less about sort of that like tactical like just check mark work and more about driving toward that priority that I set at the beginning of the week. And I think that that sets me up to be much more successful. KL Yeah, absolutely. And I think, you know, we all occasionally have bad days. If you are ever having a bad day, is—what’s something that you do to kind of work like work through that and get back on track? [25:39] NG I have been forcing myself, and this is the advice I give to everyone on my team as well: if you’re having a bad day, if you’re feeling frustrated, and especially if that frustration is about to manifest itself as a snippy email, or as like some form of written communication that maybe you’re not going to feel great about later, take a step back. Like actually physically stand up, take three deep breaths, and if you still feel that way, like you’re just unsettled, or you don’t have an answer, get up, leave the office right now and we work here in Silver Lake at this beautiful space at Sunset Junction. We have like this like—I don’t know, I just moved to California six months ago so I’m still blown away by the natural beauty of everything here. But we have this beautiful space and a basketball court, and I’m like, take advantage of that, right? And I try to do this myself: stand up, go for a walk outside for at least five minutes, but that really does help me because I think that mental reset of like: stand up, go outside, see the sun shining, get some fresh air, and like just like clear your mind for a second. Like that really helps because I think a lot of those like mental tricks, like I need the like physical trick to trigger a reset for me. SWB [Chuckles] I was just thinking about how, like, one of the ways that I know that I need to take a moment [KL laughs] is I can hear myself like kind of angry typing. So if I’m writing an email [laughter] and it’s like CLACK, CLACK, CLACK, CLACK, CLACK really aggressively, I’m like, “Hmm, I’m going to take a moment on that one.” But I was just, you know, I was just talking with a friend like in one of our many backchannel conversations where she was trying to like write back a reply to somebody. Some guy had like, you know, kind of sent her a really passive aggressive email and she’s like, “How do I respond to this and make him know blah blah blah?” I’m like, “What are you trying to get out of that interaction?” And just taking that moment and thinking like, “What am I trying to get out of sending this angry email? Am I just wanting to like tell this person that I think they’re an idiot? Is that actually going to be productive for anybody? Is anybody going to get anything out of that? Or, you know, am I trying to resolve a situation? Like could I just not reply to them ever? Like what are my options here?” And I think that like it kind of helps me at least get out of my feelings a little bit and um breathe and—and then think long and hard about whether I actually want to send that response or whatever it is that’s giving me a tough time. NG That’s so right. I feel like so often in those moments where you’ve gotten some kind of communication over whatever medium that has like triggered that like rising heart rate reaction, it’s so often it’s about, like, I just need to write back or I need to say something in order to feel like I won this conversation. Like, “You have said something wrong, and you have to know it.” But it’s like, actually, you don’t. And we’re all adults and we’re, you know, senior in our careers at this point and like we should be setting different kinds of examples. But it’s so much easier said than done. KL Yeah. It totally is. So we talk about ambition a lot on the show and sometimes we hear sentiments like, “Does this even apply to me?” Or “I don’t see myself as a quote/unquote “successful” person.” We read an interview where you mentioned something similar for Girlboss that defining a girlboss as someone who “gives herself permission to define success on her terms and change that definition whenever she damn well pleases.” We love that. What would you say to that listener who’s not really sure that they, you know, necessarily qualify as ambitious? [29:08] NG Well, first of all I would say: take a step back and, like, how are you defining ambitious? Because I don’t feel ambitious every day. But I do want to make sure that we’re having a conversation about ambition that doesn’t like set it aside as a taboo or demonize it in any way because I think it’s wonderful to be ambitious, and I think there are still sort of social stigmas that come alongside being an ambitious woman, alongside being seen as too aggressive or too difficult or too focused or selfish. And I think that like I do want to change those conversations and say, first of all, maybe it’s ok to be selfish and put yourself first, and put your career first at times. But also, ambition is not a dirty word. That said, none of us feel ambitious all the time, and none of us have exactly the same idea of what success looks like. So how do we have different conversations and get out of this space where we’re putting ourself in—ourselves in boxes. Where we’re saying, “This is an ambitious person and she looks like this. This is an unambitious person and she looks like this, and I have to be one of these people,” where we should be having much more nuanced conversations about, “This is what good looks like for me right now in my life where I am.” And maybe that is about relentlessly pursuing a career goal, maybe that’s about in my personal life, maybe that’s about caring for a parent, or caring for a partner, or for a child, maybe that is about thinking about my mental health in a different way, and really caring for my body. It’s probably some combination of all of those things but like where you’re pulling each of those levers in different ways like that’s your ultimate definition of success where you are right now. And like how do we create spaces for women to honor that, right? Because I don’t think it’s about giving them permission. You don’t need me to give you permission to do anything. You can do whatever the hell you want to but how do we create a space … and start conversations that remind you of that? KL I love that. I wish you could see how furiously I’m nodding my head [chuckling] along. NG [Laughs] Aw! Thank you. KL I think, you know, one of the things that we’ve talked about on the show and, you know, I think is at the forefront of a lot of our minds is just talking about money because it’s so hard, and for women it’s made to feel shameful. And I think it’s really exciting and heartening to see more conversations happening around pay equity and, you know, salary negotiation, and just learning how to talk about it. What do you feel—like what are Girlboss readers looking for most when it comes to money talk? And like what have you found? [31:58] NG So we try to cover money from every angle, whether that is talking about the basics of how to save, whether that’s talking about how do you actually do the research you need to do to figure out what your quote/unquote “market value” is? How do we have more honest conversations about debt? About things that are really hard? And things that are holding us back? Those sort of deep seeded like dark things that like keep you up night when you think about money because I think money anxiety is very real for so many women and men in this generation and we want to address that. But we also want to talk about things, like, something that I’ve been thinking about a lot lately is just the relationship with money and self doubt, and thinking about … promotions. Like how do you negotiate for a raise? How do you negotiate for a raise when, say, you were offered a promotion but you weren’t offered more money to go with it? I’ve been on both sides of that table, and this is something I write about in my Girlboss email this week that goes out on Thursday, but I’ve been someone who’s had to manage a team and has had to cut budgets and say, “Ok. You can have—I fought for a promotion for you but I can’t get you more money now.” And that’s really tough and I’ve seen different reactions to it but I’ve also been on the other side. I think, you know, when I was younger and, you know, an associate editor, I was definitely at a place where the publishing industry was struggling. We had so many layoffs in 2008. I mean so many industries were struggling at that time. And there was this was sense of like, “You just need to be grateful that you have a job, and don’t ask for more, and maybe you can absorb the job of the person we laid off next to you but you should be appreciative of that.” And that idea of like, “You should be appreciative,” is really tough. I think that that’s something I really struggle with because so often my internal monologue is about gratitude. I don’t want to seem ungrateful for the thing I’ve already been given. So I couldn’t ask for more. I couldn’t counter your perfectly good offer with something that I actually really think I deserve because I don’t want to seem like I’m not already grateful for what I’m being offered. And I think that that’s really tough. There is a place for gratitude in all of our lives, and I think that it fuels us and it makes us better people, but I think when you think about negotiating this fear of seeming ungrateful I think it’s really … troubling. I think it’s something that on a personal level I know holds me back, and I think I see it for many women. How do you have like a really clear, unemotional conversation about what you need and deserve when you’re worried that the reaction you’re going to get is emotional? JL I think it’s so interesting to think about this, you know, idea of grateful—like of being grateful and I can totally relate to a lot of what you were saying. And I think about when I was younger in my career having those same feelings and I think the way it’s leveled out for me is I’ve been more grateful to myself. So I’ve been really grateful about the experiences that I had and I felt more I think confident and grateful for what I can bring as well. So I think that’s helped me with that balance. NG Oh I love that! That’s such a nice way to think of it. JL I was thinking about it as you said it. I was like, “Oh yeah,” I was like, “That,” I—like—hearing you say that it just like resonated so much in me that I realized like I think that’s part of like how I’ve grown over the years and like realizing like a balance between that. [35:33] SWB You know this is something that I think is tough, though for—for a lot of people, particularly women, and particularly sort of earlier in their careers because there’s so much sort of like—there’s so much about our culture that will tell women that they—they kind of like should be grateful for the opportunity to finally get a chance to do something and it encourages them to sort of not necessarily see themselves as somebody who deserves to be there. And sort of like bringing value that is important for the organization. And I think it’s easier, you know, like looking back for me now, being in my thirties and kind of like having, you know, feeling like I’ve done a fair amount that, I can say like, “No, what I do matters. I’m very good at what I do. And I absolutely, you know, want to be paid fairly for it, and feel comfortable advocating for that because of that confidence.” I think it’s hard when you’re—when you’re getting started. And I’m curious, Neha, do you have any—any advice that you give people who are earlier in their careers about sort of like where to find some of that confidence without—without necessarily having as many years to back it up? NG I make a point of, every time I hire someone, I like to put aside a little bit—and I’m giving away my tricks here—but [chuckles] to put aside a little bit of money inside of my budget to give someone room to negotiate because I think it’s really important, especially in entry-level roles, that if someone tries to negotiate they’re not immediately shot down. And even a little bit goes a really long way in that regard but the people who don’t end up negotiating are asking for anything and just end up accepting the offer. I usually go back to them and say, “Hey, let’s talk about this at your six month. But like I had a little bit of money that like I had put aside so that you could negotiate for like a little bit more and you didn’t ask for anything. Like I would encourage you to always ask.” Which maybe is, you know, unorthodox advice for a hiring manager, but I do think it’s important because talking and dealing in specifics in real scenarios is what really lets us think about how you would do something differently and how you can improve. SWB I feel so conflicted about that because on the one hand I’m like, “Yeah! Learn to negotiate! Like it’s a really helpful skill. It is a skill that, you know, I think women, in particularly, aren’t—aren’t really taught as much about. And then on the other hand a part of me is also like … it’s—it’s true that women are not necessarily, at least in a lot of environments, they’re not taken the same way as men when they do try to negotiate or when they do, you know like, if women go into work environments and behave in the way that would be totally acceptable for a man to behave, they are not necessarily treated in the same way. And so I always worry about sort of like setting the expectation that we should be teaching women to do at work is the same thing that has worked for men. And so I always feel a little bit like, “Huh, what if work were just more transparent? Like what if we—we were coming to that conversation differently altogether?” [38:40] NG You should leverage the traits that are yours, but what I’m talking about here in terms of like negotiating, like, we’re not at a place yet where we have true transparency in terms of what we pay people. And we do know that there is a gap in terms of wages that is largely, not entirely, but like significantly contributed to by the fact that women are less likely to negotiate especially as they move further up the ranks. So what I’m trying to do is give advice based on what has worked for me in the industry that I’m in, and I think that there are other industries where it is much harder to ask for more, and where it’s, you know, even commonplace for there to be some level of retribution if you negotiate. And I think that that’s very different. But I think I can comfortably say if you work in media and you’re seeing retribution for negotiating, that’s a real red flag. Not—most organizations in this industry are not like that and so if you’re coming up against someone who is going to behave that way, that’s a red flag for other bad behaviors that are going to be coming down the pike. SWB I love that because I think we talk about that a lot on the show that like how somebody treats you in an initial interaction should tell you a lot about what you can expect in the future and if what they’re doing is a red flag up front then, like, maybe you don’t want to be there at all. NG Yeah. KL I like—when I think about, you know, just the conversations around money and managing it, and—and just everything that you’ve been talking about, that—to me that is a—a very small part of what I consider my mental load, and sort of something that I carry around that I think is, you know, we talk about all these areas and it’s like I think as women we sort of, at a baseline, carry a much heavier load, and I—I would love for you to talk a little bit about that because I know that you touch on the idea of mental load and kind of just how we manage that. I mean, how do you manage it? And how do you feel like a good, productive conversation can happen around that? NG I think I will preface this by saying I don’t have any of the answers but this is something that I think about so often, it’s something that me and my closest friends talk about all the time, and many of them have kids so I think that the conversation about emotional labor and about mental load becomes much more exacerbated when there is the care of another human being happening. But I—I think about it—I mean I actually think part of mental load is how much time I spend thinking about mental load so, I don’t know, say what you will about that but like [all laugh] … you know I am so I’m married, I’ve been married for a couple of years now to someone who I really see as a true partner. It’s someone who, you know, when I was offered this job in LA, said, “Yeah, let’s take the leap. I’m going to work remotely at my job and we’re going to make this move across the country to support your career,” and I think that that’s partnership, and I recognize that there are going to be moments where we make choices to prioritize in my career, as well as other moments where we make choices to prioritize his career and I think that that’s exactly right for me, and I hope for more women. But … I think I still worry about like what—like what’s really—what’s equal? When you think about like introducing like the care of a child into a marriage, into a home, when both parties are working? Because I think that some of this is personality based, some of this how we’re socially conditioned, and some of this is what society like expects from us, right? But I am the project manager of our lives and I think that’s not to say that my husband doesn’t contribute often but, you know, I am the one who loves making lists and loves, you know, if you’re going on vacation you book the hotels, you do the pieces that like allow you to feel like real structure around the experience and that’s, again, it’s not a ding, right? Because like we could have a great vacation that had probably a little bit less structure to it and still be really happy but if that’s my default state how are we ever going to live in a place where I’m not the one who’s always doing that? And taking up just a larger part of like what is required to keep a home and a family in order while also, you know, I had big ambitions about my career, and about sort of how I want to continue to grow from here, about the things I want to accomplish, and that … feels terrifying to me, truthfully. Like thinking about how to really balance what my ambitions are in a professional sense with what I think good could look like at home and this feels like such a … old conversation. Where like I feel like we haven’t made that much progress in a lot of ways. And, you know, in some ways we’ve made a lot of progress but in other ways I don’t—I don’t know what the solutions are here but it’s something I think about all the time and it’s something that my husband and I talk about a lot pretty openly and I think that that’s part of the solution, right? How do you have really honest conversations about the things that … scare you? [43:58] SWB Ugh! I love that! KL I know [crosstalk and laughter] — JL This is so real [laughs]. I like can’t—[laughing] I like can’t even. I’m just I am currently—and it’s funny—the reason I was able to make it today is because we have a snow day here and my husband is currently watching our one-year-old son downstairs so I could be on this podcast [chuckles]. So I’m just like, I’m like yessing everything that you said and just like wow! [NG chuckles] I’m like —yes! [Chuckles] One hundred percent! You are speaking exactly what I have thought so many times. So thank you for articulating that so well. SWB I mean like literally the three of us on the podcast on our, like, sort of private backchannel Slack, right, we’re talking about podcast stuff. We just had a long conversation about this very topic, of sort of like being the project manager in our relationships. And we all have partners who are … partners. They’re real partners. And like I made a joke, they’re not like … guys who come home from work, sit on the couch, and like wait for you to have dinner on the table. Like they’re very much active participants in—in all of these different parts of life, but at the same time it is one of those things where you look at it and you go, like, “Oh yeah, who makes all of the hotel reservations?” Or who’s the one who figured out like, you know, what the dentist appointment schedule was or whatever those kinds of things are. And I think—I think you’re right. It’s like that—it’s like that figuring out, like, how do you balance those things? And how do you talk about about them? And how do, you know, hopefully over time shift them in ways that feel good for everybody involved? And not feel like, you know, it’s this constant source of tension. [45:32] JL Well I think it’s being honest too. So I think it’s really important, you know, as you were describing to know that that’s sort of how you manage your life, or those are the things that are in it, and I think if you know that then at least you can have an honest [KL yeah] conversation about it. NG That’s so true and it’s so hard. It’s I mean even in like great relationships where there’s open communication and trust like it’s hard to say the things that really scare you. KL It totally is. [chuckles] It really is. So [sighs] when we talk about this it—it really makes me think about, you know, learning to ask for help and we talk about asking for help and just kind of being ok with that. Who do you ask for help? NG I ask so many people for help. I think first and foremost I ask Sophia, our CEO here, for help when I feel uncertain about how to solve for something, or how to like I think it’s such a fun thing to be at the startup scrappy stage of, you know, we started out with ten people when I got here, maybe even eight, and now we’re 17 people and we’ve, you know, we’ve more than doubled and that’s so exciting and then I have amazing friends, and I think there is something so special about having community that I’m really sort of acutely aware of right now because when you move across the country you really see—most of my community is in New York still. The women that I talk to all the time now it’s on a text thread rather than over a meal or over breakfast or coffee or a drink. Or at least not as often. But I think having just even like that text thread of—I have a circle of friends who we just sort of like free and direct discourse just like spill all of our updates and our questions and our rants. And that’s amazing. And that’s a place where I feel I can turn for help. And I have another circle of friends where it’s something similar, but we do like a Friday text thread of like a rosebud and thorn, you know? Something that like you—you’re really excited about as well as something that’s like blossoming and something that’s hard. And that structure is really nice and it feels a little silly to say it out loud that my friends and I communicate in this way but when, you know, life priorities and distance separate you, it’s so nice to know that you’re just sort of staying close to people, and able to find a framework in which you can talk about like the really real stuff. KL Oh my god. SWB The rosebud and the thorn is something that— JL I love that! SWB Like I’ll be thinking about that [NG laughs] for awhile— KL That’s so great. JL That’s so great! [48:02] SWB So, Neha, before we wrap up, is there anything happening at Girlboss that you really want our listeners to know about? NG The most important, exciting thing that we have upcoming is the Girlboss Rally in LA on April 28th. We are—we unfortunately just sold out of tickets today but you can go to girlbossrally.com and you can get digital access, you can get all of the video, and see all of these amazing speakers from Bozoma St. John to Gwyneth Paltrow to Janet Mock to Paola Mendoza to Sarah Sophie Flicker to Jen Gotch, just like really incredible women that I’m so excited to gather together, to really pick their brains and get inspiration, but also follow that inspiration up with real, actionable advice so that we can all learn something from people who have done incredible things. SWB Well, thank you so much for being on the show today. NG Thank you for having me— KL Yeah, thank you. NG This was really fun [music fades in, fades out]. JL So for new listeners, joining us on Season 2, something that we love to do at the end of the show is end with our Fuck Yeah of the Week, which is where we look at something that makes us say, “Hey, fuck yeah!” Hey, Sara, what’s this week’s Fuck Yeah? SWB This week we are saying, “Fuck yeah,” to building more inclusive language into our vocabularies. So, so often when we were recording the podcast during our first season, we would just be chatting along, and suddenly, you know, I might say something like, “Hey, guys!” And one of the things we talked about was how “guys” can feel alienating to people who, you know, aren’t guys. And it’s such a common thing that is said—I mean it’s said so often in all kinds of contexts, and some people don’t mind it, some women don’t mind it, some really do. And what we decided is like for our podcast because we want to make sure people feel welcome listening to it that we just cut that stuff out. And that’s a hard habit to break. JL It’s so hard! We all say it quite often. I say, “Hey guys,” a bunch and it’s also hard to be like, “Hey, do you know you just said ‘hey guys’?” to your friend because you don’t want to constantly correct someone, either. But because we’re all working on this, it’s something that, you know, we—we’ve tried to get more comfortable being like, “Oh! You just said that.” And I think it’s really helpful to do that, especially in a place where, you know, I trust both of you and I know that you know when I say things I don’t—I’m never trying to be noninclusive. And so something one day we were recording and I was saying something, I think I was explaining a Fuck Yeah, and I said, “Yeah, I’m going to go tab-crazy about this.” And I kept talking and talking and then I hear Sara sort of breathe and she’s like, “Hey, Jenn?” And I was like, “Oh no!” And, you know, she had brought up that I had said crazy and—and crazy can also be one of those words that I’m trying to move away from. And I hadn’t really thought too much about that and I think, again, because it’s something that’s so in my vocabulary right now. I’m crazy about that! But, you know, there’s plenty of times where, you know, I’ve used “crazy” to describe things and I was like, “Oh, why would I not say that?” was my initial reaction. And I think I got a little bit defensive at first. I didn’t say that, but just inside I felt like, “Oh no, you know, like why wouldn’t I say this?” And then Sara suggested instead using “tab wild.” And the thing about it was “wild” is such a more exciting word than crazy that this vocab swap was like super awesome! I was like, “Oh yeah, wild! Let’s go wild!” Like you know, like I wouldn’t want to be like, [sings] “Let’s go wild! Let’s get nuts.” But [laughs] you know swapping wild for crazy just sounded so much better, so it’s where I began to be more open to the idea, if switching things in my vocabulary means that, you know, the world is my oyster. [51:41] KL Yeah. I think it’s like—it’s just that—it’s figuring out what—what do you actually mean and is there a really good word that you can use instead that’s not ableist or that is more inclusive? And I think just being able to pay attention to that and, like you said, Jenn, feeling like we’re in a group of people that we know we can practice this more is so important and there’s nothing quite like hearing yourself recorded over and over again [laughter] to realize that it’s something you need to be more aware of, and pay attention to, and I love that we’re doing this. SWB I mean it becomes like a default filler word, sometimes, you know? KL Absolutely. SWB And I think like for me I remember a few years ago when I was editing a magazine I was really uncomfortable with like the singular “they.” Like saying, “they” as a singular person instead of “he” or “she,” and I just didn’t like it. I didn’t like it. And I can understand feeling that way about pretty much any kind of language change, because it feels uncomfortable at first like, nobody likes change, everybody likes things how they are, right? [Laughing] Honestly, that’s—that’s—people are creatures of habit. So if you have a habit to say things a certain way or see things a certain way, at first you can bristle. And it took me longer than I want to admit to get comfortable with the singular “they.” By the time we had Stevie on last season, who is non-binary and uses “they” as their pronoun, I was on board for sure [mm hmm] but just hearing them talk about it too reminded me like, “Oh yeah, like this really matters for people.” And if it matters for people, then it matters for me on the show. I want to model that behavior out to the world. [53:19] JL And as you mentioned, I mean we are lucky, we have editing, we can look through this. I would, you know, I would never step someone in a large group or crowd and be like, “Hey, actually! You just said this.” But I think it’s, you know, pulling someone maybe aside after. If I notice someone at work is saying something a lot then maybe I want to be like, “Oh, just so you know,” or you know I’m in a Slack group for design systems and they have one of the automatic things that if someone writes “Hey guys” it’ll have a Slack message popup that says, “We use inclusive language language here. How about something like ’Hey, folks?’” And I like something like that because the message is written really friendly and it’s not like pointing out anyone’s wrongdoings, it’s just, “Oh here’s something you probably didn’t consider. Let’s all start considering this more.” SWB And I think it also it also all depends on context, situation, language, the severity of something, like I think there are definitely times where in a group setting if somebody says something egregious [KL yeah] it might be important to call them out publicly because it might be important to publicly state, “This is not acceptable here.” [Mm hmm] And other times it’s like there’s a slip and they just need a quiet nudge and—and I think it really depends. But I think when it comes to doing, you know, if you’re going to put a podcast out into the world, and if you’re going to say like, “Yeah, this is a feminist podcast,” then like fuckin’ live it. So we have to make sure that we’re really thinking about that carefully and—and, you know, continuing to get better, and I definitely think of this as something that like we have not fixed. It’s a thing that we are aware of, and working on, and like figuring out … what else is out there? Like what other stuff is out there that we haven’t realized yet, you know, could be alienating some people and what are we going to do about it? KL Yeah, so that’s we’re really excited because we thought we would add a new segment to the show, and we’re calling it Vocab Swap. So we’re going to keep tabs on how we’re sort of doing with this over the season, and we’re going to look for new ways um to learn how we can just expand our inclusive, and just practice it a lot more, and find new ways to—to do that. SWB Yeah! So I think for our very first Vocab Swaps we’re really talking about “guys” and “crazy” and taking note when those words are coming out of our mouths and thinking about why we’re using them, and whether they are appropriate, and who they might be hurting. KL And that’s it for this week’s episode of No, You Go, the show about being ambitious—and sticking together. NYG is recorded in our home city of Philadelphia and produced by Steph Colbourn. Our theme music is by The Diaphone. Thanks to Neha Gandhi for being our guest today. If you like what you’ve been hearing, please make sure to subscribe and rate us wherever you listen to your podcasts. Your support helps us spread the word. And don’t miss our new biweekly newsletter, “I Love That”! Head to noyougoshow.com/ilovethat to sign up. See you all next week! [Music fades in, plays for 30 seconds, fades out to end.]

If there was ever a time when we need to consistently keep our souls replenished for the fight against injustice, it would be now. Hear how Women’s March artistic director, Paola Mendoza and strategic advisor and national organizer Sarah Sophie Flicker use the power of art and culture in activism, and what they learned in documenting The Women’s March for the newly released book, "Together We Rise." As national organizers for The Women’s March and leaders of The Resistance Revival Chorus, these artist activists see their purpose as connecting fellow members of The Resistance to the moments of joy and transcendence that come with being a part of history in the making.

Bustle editors, organizers of the Women's March, Sarah Sophie Flicker and Paola Mendoza, Ana Gasteyer, and Bustle Astrologer Mecca Woods join together to tell you why this year isn't going to suck.Learn more about "Together We Rise: Behind the Scenes at the Protest Heard Around the World" here: https://www.harpercollins.com/9780062843432/together-we-riseSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The first episode focuses on the Women's March, and features two national organizers critical to its development, Paola Mendoza and Sarah Sophie Flicker. They share lessons from organizing the march and talk about how art and creativity is essential to the movement.

On this special election episode, Lena and Sarah Sophie Flicker gather a super-panel of women to discuss this year's election, including Sarah Jones, Michaela Angela Davis, Linda Sarsour, Rebecca Traister, and Collier Meyerson. Plus, we’ve got a Supreme Court radio drama, Lena talks to Janet Mock and Geneva Reed-Veal, and much more!

Activist and mother of three discusses how gender plays out in her home and shares her parenting beliefs.

What does it take to become the first woman in the history of Goldman Sachs to be promoted into sales management? That accomplishment was just the beginning of Janet Hanson’s career. Kelly Hoey and Janet talk about how her early career at Goldman prompted her to strike out on her own as founder/CEO of Milestone Capital and 85 Broads, the global business women’s network now known as Ellevate.  Janet’s early support of female founders is legendary, and includes angel investments in companies such as LearnVest and AHA Life. Notes Daniel F. Crowley, 69, Ex-Publishing Official The New York Times Anne Brown Farrell Money and Power: How Goldman Sachs Came to Rule the World by William D. Cohan Sara Weinheimer Ellevate MANAGEMENT: A Network of Their Own; From an Exclusive Address, a Group for Women Only by Reed Abelson, The New York Times Northwestern Mutual acquires LearnVest, the financial planning startup by Leena Rao, Fortune The Education of Warren Buffett’s protégé by Colleen Leahey, Fortune Stacey Borden ChixRx Meghan Muntean, How Bustle Cracked the Code to Reach Millennial Women by Magnify Team, Hill+Knowlton Strategies The Boys in the Boat by Daniel James Brown, iBooks Sheryl Sandberg Forbes Anne-Marie Slaughter on Raising Men Who Do Housework by Sarah Sophie Flicker, The Cut How this investor is bridging the 'bravado gap' by Sara Ashley O'Brien, CNNMoney How Hillary Clinton's historic win changes the game for girls by Holly Yan, CNNPolitics Additional Reading "85 Broads" Invests In Women by Melissa McNamara This Is What An Angel Investor Looks Like – Janet Hanson by Angie Chang, Women 2.0 Feeling lucky: How important is luck to career success? by David Winter, The Guardian Goldman Sachs 10,000 Women Goldman Sachs Promotes Record Number of Women, and It's Still Just 25 Percent by Emily Jane Fox, Vanity Fair Krawcheck to Acquire 85 Broads From Ex-Goldman Executive by Laura Marcine, Bloomberg Guest bios & transcripts are available on www.broadmic.com.

Sarah Sophie Flicker lists "Mama, Performer, Director, Aerialist, Writer, Activist, Feminist" as the top descriptors in her Twitter bio -- telling, considering that what she does "for a living" isn't as simple as a one-word answer. And why should it be? In this episode of Oh Boy, Sarah Sophie Flicker talks to host Jay Buim about her years in the San Francisco punk scene, law school, the unglamorous side of moving to LA to pursue acting and finally, New York, where she not only thrived (trying to not give away too much here) but found a way to merge her interest in politics and trapezing -- yes! -- into a political cabaret. Honestly, you just need to listen. Enjoy! Want more Sarah Sophie? @sarahsophief Want more Jay? @beardwizard Edited by Jay Buim Produced by Kate Barnett

Sarah Sophie Flicker is an activist, producer, writer, filmmaker, cultural organizer, creative director, and aerialist