Podcast appearances and mentions of jen gotch

This week in natural brands and the sustainable marketplace. Black Lives Matter is reverberating in the industry, especially in beauty and other female-focused segments. We talk about the cancelling of female founders from Bando, Reformation and Refinery29, weigh in on ads, and talk about the more action-driven choices across industries, from NetFlix to LEGO to Wal-Mart and NASCAR. Brands in any purpose driven space may be unprepared for the cultural scrutiny that's here - and not going away. Join us each week for our hot takes on the latest in natural, conscious, sustainable and better-for-you brands, marketing, retail, startups and more. Support the show (http://ecoecho.substack.com)

entrepreneur, mental health advocate & new york times best-selling author jen gotch joins the pod to talk love & mental health: getting the right diagnoses, cultivating independence & how a bad marriage can be like novocaine.

entrepreneur, mental health advocate & new york times best-selling author jen gotch joins the pod to talk love & mental health: getting the right diagnoses, cultivating independence & how a bad marriage can be like novocaine.

Do you ever feel like you need to change who you are in order to fit into the rest of the world? Have you ever dealt with feeling “unseen” by those around you and struggle with a sense of belonging? This week we are with the incredible Jen Gotch who shares with us why there is an “upside” to being down. Jen is the co-founder of the multi-million dollar business ban.do and credits her mental health struggles to some of the successes she has had in her business and in life. In today’s conversation she opens up about her personal relationships and how they have influenced her mental health journey. We discuss the signs of being a highly sensitive individual and how we can use these qualities to enrich our lives. Jen shares why she believes that mental health struggles don’t just stem from one isolated event but rather are an accumulation of several factors in our lives. We also dive into finding your purpose, aligning with your truth, and establishing healthy boundaries within your life. Jen encourages us to “pay attention” to what the universe is trying to tell us and lean into what feels right for YOU. We hope this episode encourages you to find light at the end of any tunnel you may find yourself in and discover the “upside” of being down. Connect with us in our private facebook group, Hope to Recharge so we can support you in your mental health journey. Because as always, Together is Better. -- Today's episode of Hope to Recharge is sponsored by https://Betterhelp.com/hopetorecharge.  Betterhelp.com is the world’s leading provider of online therapy. Their mission is to make professional counseling accessible, affordable, and convenient, so anyone who struggles with life’s challenges can get help, anytime, anywhere. Head to https://Betterhelp.com/hopetorecharge for 10% off your first month of services. IMPORTANT: Be sure to click this link in order to get the10% off code   -- Interested in joining our monthly Mastermind?  Find out more info here! www.hopetorecharge.com/Mastermind --   Resources Mentioned:  Connect with Jen: https://www.jengotch.com/ The Upside of Being Down: https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1982108819   -- Topics Discussed: How to implement boundaries with people you love The importance of being in the right relationships at the right time Making difficult decisions and tuning into your intuition --   Suicide Hotlines: USA: 1-800-273-8255 USA Crisis Text: 741-741Canada: 1-833-456-4566 United Kingdom: 116-123 Australia: 13-11-14 International Suicide Hotlines: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suicide_crisis_lines --   Connect with us! Website: https://hopetorecharge.com/ Private Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/2079694042156503/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/matanajacobs/ --   WAYS TO HELP THE PODCAST ______________________ Subscribe via iTunes and leave a review.  It costs nothing. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hope-to-recharge/id1464788845 ————————————————————————— Spread the word via social media.   It costs nothing. Our website is https://hopetorecharge.com/ our FB is https://www.facebook.com/groups/2079694042156503/ and our Instagram is https://www.instagram.com/matanajacobs/ --------------------------------------------------------   Subscribe to us on: iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hope-to-recharge/id1464788845 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/00AIhRZOxKNOvenz32gGeK Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/heather-parady-2/hope-to-recharge Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_DkYMcco7pSrkKk6wU5p7w Google: https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Izxlwulashxr3n6trjrxpjpgwce

Since a lot of us are going through transitions right now, we've rounded up some of the best TLDNE advice for fresh starts, restarts, changes in direction, or entirely different roadmaps. Tune in to hear Stephanie Pereira, Tyler Thrasher, Dr. Sabriya Stukes, and Jen Gotch share mindsets, strategies, and perspectives that will help you take your next step. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

How much can a company change in 10+ years? In what ways do mental health struggles impact a career? How can you dance in front of dumpsters so effortlessly? To cover all of those questions (and more!) Katie talks Jen Gotch, founder of Ban.do. You can find Jen at @jengotch You can follow Katie on Instagram at @katiesturino and @megababe

I can speak from experience here: Launching a book in the midst of a pandemic is pretty weird. Someone else who knows just what that’s like is Jen Gotch, the founder of ban.do and author of The Upside Of Being Down (https://www.bando.com/products/the-upside-of-being-down-book) , which launched just a few weeks ago and became an instant New York Times best-seller. The subject matter of the book ended up being even more relevant than she had hoped. We talk about the process of writing the book and what her history of navigating depression has been like. ------------------ Jen Gotch is genetically predisposed to optimism. She's a visionary, a creative powerhouse and an advocate for mental health and emotional well-being, and a New York Times best-selling author. Learn more about Kelsey at http://kelseyjpatel.com (http://kelseyjpatel.com)   Resources: jengotch.com (https://www.jengotch.com) Instagram: @jengotch (https://www.instagram.com/jengotch) bando.com (https://www.bando.com) Magik Vibes is a production of (http://crate.media)

What does it mean to be a founder of a company, but not it's CEO? This week, your hosts Puno and Maceo sit down with Ban.do founder Jen Gotch, to discuss how to separate yourself from your growing brand (and if that's even necessary?). Hear Jen's take on whether it's a hindrance or an advantage. Plus, everyone checks their egos, and Maceo eats a sugary donut.

In this episode, Kirsten Potenza features New York Times Best Seller and Founder of Ban.do, Jen Gotch. What starts off with the simple question of “how are you?” turns into a deep conversation about vulnerability, hustle culture and why you can't do it all. Throughout the chat, we'll see examples of how beneficial it is to get out of your normal setting, why doing your best is enough and learning to leap when something is meant to happen. You can purchase a copy of Jen's book The Upside of Being Down on her website at jengotch.com and follow her company Ban.do on instagram at @shopbando. If you or someone you know is interested in being a guest on the Big Green Couch, send us an email at biggreencouch@poundfit.com

Welcome back to the Limitless Life™ Podcast. And today, we’re chatting about how making big changes and choices in our life might become one of the best things you ever do. Can I be honest? I think this is one of my personal favorite interviews on this podcast! I’ve actually been following Jen Gotch for like, 5 years, so I knew a lot about her story going into this conversation. I’ve watched as her company, ban.do, went from mostly unknown to total explosion. I’ve followed along as Jen went through a challenging divorce. And in the past couple years, I’ve seen Jen truly step into her power -- something within her has shifted in the best way possible, and in this interview, I wanted to find out exactly how she did it. So, like I mentioned, Jen is the founder and Chief Creative Office of the multimillion dollar brand, ban.do. What started as a small hair accessories company has transformed into a movement that encourages joy and normalizes mental health. She’s also the author of the NYT Best-Selling memoir, The Upside of Being Down, which details her upbringing and mental health journey while growing a successful company. What I loved about this conversation is that Jen is both hilarious and wise. There’s just a special place in my heart for people who can share real, raw, and deep truths about life...while making you laugh. In this interview, we talk about things like how to start working through the patterns and limiting beliefs you adopted as a child, how to honor your path even if it looks different than the norm, and how a terrifying life change actually altered Jen’s life for the better. If you know there’s more out there for your life, but you’re scared to claim it… If you’re going through something difficult right now, and you need inspiration… Or if you’re ready to rip off the band-aid and truly live a limitless life… This episode is for you. Let’s dig in!

Newsletter launch: A Routines & Ruts Companion will be launching 1 May and to celebrate, if you sign up now you will get 50% off ($5US/month instead of $10US/month). Sign up here for behind the scenes transcripts, show notes, inspiring quotes and more. * * *There’s something to enjoy in everything, and this week’s guest appears to have  a knack for finding it.Jen Gotch is an optimist, a visionary, the creative powerhouse behind the beloved brand ban.do and the now best-selling author of The Upside of Being Down.The memoir is a manifestation of the fact that our struggles can lead to our greatest successes, and it shares the many lessons Jen has learned in her life, from navigating a winding career-path, to tackling the stigmas associated with mental health challenges.In this conversation, we talk about mental health, solitude, the book writing process, self-doubt, how we don’t have to feel bad about inconsistency, being actively not busy, giving ourselves grace, the myth of perfectionism and how enjoyment can be found in the most unlikely places and times. Follow @jengotch on Instagram * * *To stay tuned, please subscribe or follow the podcast on your preferred listening platform and leave a review on iTunes.You can also sign up to the Extraordinary Routines newsletter, or follow along at @extraordinary_routines on Instagram.This podcast is produced, edited and mixed by Madeleine Dore using Hindenburg. Special thanks to Nelson Dore for the theme music and Ellen Porteus for the cover art.

Jen Gotch is one of those people who seems to stumble toward success. She's the first to admit that she figures everything out as she goes along—and it all seems to work out far better than it does for those with PowerPoints, MBAs and the rest. Case in point: band.do, the company she founded in 2008 with no business experience and which is now a beloved multimillion-dollar brand. Then there's her obsessive Instagram following and podcast that she built by being utterly herself—often sharing about her mental health struggles.   And the trend continued with her first book, The Upside of Being Down, which has been featured in People and The LA Times and recently hit The New York Times bestseller list.   While the release timing couldn't have been worse—we're talking days into shelter-in-place world shutdown—her attitude couldn't have been better. And although her book tour got canceled and plenty of plans were derailed, she was able to do a pivot that made her launch inarguably successful.    In this episode, we discuss how the business lessons she's accumulated along the way served her when it came to planning her book launch—and how she learned some new ones as life changed.   WANT TO WRITE YOUR OWN BOOK? GRAB MY FREE DOWNLOAD HERE>>WWW.MEMOIRDOWNLOAD.COM

As we continue our special Resilience Series, we're so pleased to welcome Jen Gotch. Jen is a truly inspiring creative, entrepreneur, and mental health advocate. As the founder of ban.do, Jen has taken an unlikely path to success that includes embracing flaws and understanding the influence of mental illness on her creativity. Today, Jessica and Jen talk about doing the hard and purposeful work of getting calm, grounded, and overcoming fear through regulation of our nervous systems. During these difficult times, this conversion gives timely advice for learning more about ourselves even in the midst of adversity. Show Links
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Kate starts playing Animal Crossing to relax and struggles with diet culture messaging during social distancing, and Doree begins to plan for Henry’s first birthday, quarantine-style. Then they're joined by Jen Gotch, co-founder of ban.do and author of The Upside of Being Down, who discusses her mental health and therapy journey, why she schedules fun on her calendar, how she's embraced aging, and why “Desert Jen” is an entirely different person than “LA Jen.”To leave a voicemail for a future episode, call 781-591-0390. You can also email the podcast at forever35podcast@gmail.com.This episode is sponsored by: RITUAL - For 10% off during your first three months visit ritual.com/FOREVER35STORYWORTH - For $20 off, visit storyworth.com/forever35.FIGS - For 15% off your first purchase from FIGS, go to wearfigs.com and enter promo code FOREVER at checkout.TALKSPACE - Get your first week free of Talkspace when you visit talkspace.com use promo code FOREVER35.Lean Out by Tara Henley - You can purchase Lean Out from your favorite audiobook retailer or visit penguinrandomhouse.ca to learn more!Theme music by Riot. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

On this week's episode, Jen Gotch shares insights from her new book The Upside of Being Down. To state the obvious, we are all learning to adjust to a new way of living. Humans are not wired to live in long, sustained periods of isolation or social distancing, and we are having to adapt to new ways of working together, being creative, and living our lives. With all of these new dynamics, it's importat to be open about mental health and the struggles that accompany long periods of uncertainty. Jen Gotch is the perfect person to help us think through how to navigate these difficult times. Her new book, a memoir, is called The Upside Of Being Down, and shares her personal journey in life and business while dealing with the impact of anxiety and depression. There are three big insights that I took from the conversation that are shaping how I'm thinking about the coming weeks and months. Progress Over Perfection It is very important to break big ambitions into smaller, measurable wins, especially when we don't have access to all of the resources we normally lean on. In her book The Progress Principle, Teresa Amibile wrote “Our research inside companies revealed that the best way to motivate people, day in and day out, is by facilitating progress—even small wins.” Psychologically, small wins are a huge boost to overall motivation and a sense of purpose and direction in life and work. As Jen said in our interview, “ How will you measure progress this week? What small wins will you choose to mark success? Unnecessary Creating Is Deep Therapy In The Accidental Creative, I shared a practice that I call unnecessary creating. It means to engage routinely in making things that no one is paying you for, and that are not a part of your job. It can range from launching a podcast (which is how my business began!) to learning a new skill to painting to writing music. It's a way to allow yourself the freedom to take risks, to develop skills, and to find creative expression in a very low-risk environment because the work is just for you, not for others. Right now I'm working on an unnecessary creating project in my spare time, and it's very life-giving to have something I'm doing that's not directly tied to my on-demand work. What unnecessary creating will you do this week? Choose a project such as writing a short story, making a piece of art, or exprimenting with a new skill. Release The Pressure Valve One ray of light over the past weeks has been getting to see normally polished, produced people learning to do what they do in a more accessible and authentic way. Whether it's Jimmy Fallon doing The Tonight Show from his home (with his kids crawling all over him!) or news anchors doing their segments from their living room, we are discovering the beauty and power of authenticity. We all need to release the pressure valve a bit, and realize that there is a new kind of more genuine expression possible because of what we're all experiencing together. Also, we do need to reconsider the expectations that we have of ourselves. This is no time to be in constant sprint mode, holding yourself to the same kind of accountability that you did before all of this began. Be wise in how you set your weekly expectations, and focus more on desired outcomes than quantity-based measures of productivity. Our biggest source of stress is often found in missed expectations, especially those we have for ourselves. Is there any way in which you need to adjust your personal expectations? Release the pressure valve. Take care of yourselves this week, friends. Be especially mindful of your mental health. Be prolific, brilliant, and healthy. This episode is sponsored by Skillshare. Explore your creativity and two free months of Premium Membership at Skillshare.com/AC. The intro music for the AC podcast is by Joshua Seurkamp. End remix is by DJ Z-Trip.

Staying mentally healthy in uncertain times.

Right now, ban.do founder and CCO Jen Gotch was supposed to be on tour for her first book, “The Upside of Being Down.” But because of the coronavirus pandemic, the tour was cancelled. While she did feel sadness about that, as Jen says, her knee-jerk reaction when most things happen is, “this is going to be okay.” On today’s episode, Jen and I talk about the meaning of that phrase and the power of optimism, why she doesn’t feel the stigma of mental illness, and how she’s choosing to get the news these days. Learn more about Jen and check out the show notes here. Follow Made Visible on Instagram. We want to learn more about you! Tell us about you and what got you listening to Made Visible here. 

Jen Gotch On Cultivating Optimism, Using Anxiety As A Superpower, and Dealing with Acne & Aging With Grace

Jen is a friend, co-founder and chief creative officer of the lifestyle brand ban.do, podcaster, social media queen and the author of the newly released book, The Upside of Being Down. Jen was my first-ever guest on Unleash just over a year ago. We first met When I produced her Podcast, Jen Gotch is Ok...Sometimes, and she has been a major creative and emotional influence in my life, ever since.I wanted to have Jen on this time to talk all about the process of writing a book: what it really takes, the ups and downs, breaking points where she almost gave up and breakthroughs that made the rollercoaster of creating all worth it. From our conversation you’ll learn tips to write and publish a book, overcome rejection, why creative timing is always perfect, the power of solitude + WTF REALLY Happened In The Dessert! While this conversation happened prior to quarantine, it has lots of tips, tricks and laughs that will help you get through the time we’re in right now. So without further adieu, here she is, Jen Gotch! Note: Interview starts at about 9 minutes in! For the first few minutes of the show, I do a creative check in about what’s going on in the world and offer up some coping tools I’ve been using to help navigate this new and, at times, unsettling territory. On The Unleash Your Inner Creative: If you like what you hear, remember to rate, review, subscribe and tell a friend! And, join our creative community by following @UnleashYourInnerCreative on Instagram & Facebook and @UrInnerCreative on Twitter! Follow host @LaurenLoGrasso You can download Lauren's debut single, "Road To Glory" HERE! Watch the “Road To Glory” music video HERE! --- This episode is sponsored by · That's Really Cool Man Podcast: That's Really Cool Man is the official podcast of the internet's worst animator, Danny Casale aka Coolman Coffeedan. https://www.coolmancoffeedan.com/ · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/unleashyourinnercreative/message

Jen Gotch is co-founder and chief creative officer of the multi-million dollar business ban.do. The brand’s goal is to make you feel better with their bright, optimistic products. Her 250K Instagram followers love her mental health advocacy as she bears her heart with a lot of spunk, humor, and personality.    Jen’s just written her first book, a memoir called “The Upside of Being Down,” about how her mental health struggles led to her greatest successes in work and in life. Although she was raised by loving and attentive parents in Boca Raton, Florida, her early signs of bipolar disorder, anxiety, and ADD went unrecognized. After graduating from college, Jen was living back with her parents, heartbroken, and lost, when she became convinced her skin turned green. Hallucinating she looked like Shrek was terrifying, but it led to her first diagnosis.    It was the start of a journey towards self-awareness, acceptance, success, and ultimately, joy. While simultaneously dealing with her mental health struggles, she worked as a TV extra, a prop stylist, an art director, a commercial photographer, and eventually an accidental and beloved entrepreneur. Jen now embraces her flaws, appreciating the influence mental illness has on her creativity that continues to lead to her greatest successes in business and in life.    Jen’s brand personality for ban.do is to not feel competitive with other people, but to actually support them and to just be real. Case in point, Jen designed and sold the popular “Anxiety” and “Depression” necklaces to legions of grateful women, with the net proceeds going to the mental health nonprofit, “Bring Change to Mind.”    Don’t be surprised if after listening to Jen you are inspired to be more colorful and dance in front of dumpsters.   SHOW NOTE LINKS:   “The Upside of Being Down” Jen’s Instagram Ban.do “Glamour” article- Busy Philipps and Jen Gotch Reveal the Secret to Finding Real Adult Friendships 24-Hour Suicide Prevention Hotline Jen’s dad- Dr. Jamie on Instagram Bring Change to Mind Anxiety Necklace from ban.do Photo taken by Kerry Crawford    CONNECT WITH US! *Dear Family, Podcast Page *Write Now Rachel Website *Rachel's Blog @Medium *Rachel’s Twitter *Facebook *Instagram   PLEASE JOIN: ***Dear Family Members, the Private Facebook Group   WAYS TO HELP THE PODCAST: *PLEASE Leave a 5-Star Review. ***Listen and Subscribe via iTunes!!!  ***Listen and Subscribe via Stitcher!!! ***Listen and Subscribe via Spotify!!!   Thank you! Your support means the world to me. Wishing you love, happiness, and good mental health always.

Jen Gotch, founder of ban.do, mental health advocate, and champion of optimism, just wrote a book. The Upside Of Being Down was released last week. A book is a big deal, one that usually comes with a big tour, and lots of events, but then Coronavirus happened, and here we are. A longtime professional and personal inspiration to your host, this episode with Jen is a powerful reminder that truly, no matter what happens, it's important—and comforting—to find the upside. The Upside Of Being Down by Jen GotchJen Gotch on InstagramJen's Dad on Instagram Also mentioned in the episode: Attached by Amir Levine & Rachel HellerThe Untethered Soul by Michael Singer A New Earth by Eckhart Tolle ban.do wellness workbookban.do sticker booksshanisilver.comShani on InstagramA Single Serving Podcast Facebook GroupSome links above are affiliate links. Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/shanisilver)

Our guest today is talented, visionary, wholehearted and effervescent; a vessel for life’s triumphs and struggles. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, Jen Gotch to the Off The Record Studio.  Jen is the founder of ban-do, a clothing, accessory, stationary, tech, and gift brand that encourages joy. Beyond her inspiring professional journey, though, her life story helps to bring mental illness to a more human level.  Her struggle with anxiety, ADD, and bipolar disorder triggered a exploration of deep self awareness, which she now uses to help people rethink what “success” can and should be. Join us as Jen shares her beautiful story with us, discusses her new book, ‘The Upside of Being Down,’ and inspires us to embrace our wholeness, winding as our roads may be. For an Off the Record exclusive of 25% off your annual subscription to Yoga Wake Up, tap the link: https://www.yogawakeup.com/otr (https://www.yogawakeup.com/otr) . Consider this app your very own Yoga alarm clock! Follow + DM us: @offtherecordwithyou + @skinowl  Tag Us: #offtherecordpod Shop  SkinOwl: skinowl.com (http://www.skinowl.com) Want to try SkinOwl skincare? Use code OFFTHERECORD15 on SkinOwl.com (http://www.skinowl.com) for your first order.  Best sellers: Maqui Berry Beauty Whip, Eye Concentrate, and our first ever product to alleviate breakouts and dark marks, the Geranium Drops.   Join Skinowl’s fitness and wellness method, Ascend. Sign up by April 1st for the April 6 Fitstart here: http://bit.ly/38pHBod (http://bit.ly/38pHBod)

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Show notes:- Connect with Jen on Instagram | The Web- Jen's book The Upside of Being Down- Attached (Book)- The 5 Love Languages- Spiraling Podcast If You Liked This Episode Try Out:- Episode 257 with Serena Wolf Likes + Learns:- Granola- Pistachios- Olipop (the strawberry vanilla is my favorite)- Walnut / Hazelnut milk new to *let it out* --> start with these linkskatie's site: https://katiedalebout.com/our start here guide: https://letitouttt.com/general/start-here/++ LET IT OUT letter katie's book: https://amzn.to/2W4bHufwant to start a podcast? letapodcastout.club 

Jen Gotch is the founder and chief creative officer of Ban.do, the multimillion-dollar lifestyle brand. She is also a fellow podcaster and former host of the show "Jen Gotch is Okay, Sometimes." Jen is a mental health advocate, reluctantly as you'll find out, and the author of the book The Upside of Being Down: How Mental Health Struggles Led to My Greatest Successes in Work and Life. This accessible self-help memoir dives into Jen’s personal history with mental health issues, building her brand, and ways to implement better life practices! Jen and I covered so much during our conversation including how society glamorizes being busy and Jen’s personal family history. Jen's passion for creating a brand that invokes her personal message is so inspirational and I was moved by her hope that this book will help others feel less alone. I loved Jen’s tip to schedule fun into your calendar and make it non-negotiable! I think we could all use that advice right now! (For listeners with kids at home, this episode does include adult language.)

THE INTERVIEW Jen Gotch joined us just over a year ago for a really important conversation about mental health, figuring yourself out, and self-care. Jen is a huge expander for a lot of us in Almost 30 Nation — Krista and Lindsey included! — so we had to have her back for round two to discuss her powerful new book. The Upside of Being Down is an honest account of Jen’s mental health struggles and how that long journey, with all its ups and downs, led to her greatest successes in work and life. She is so inspiring and unapologetic about her life + gives a fresh take on what it’s like being a constant internal battle. We dive deep into what it’s like to push yourself in your career without sacrificing self-care, opening yourself up to receiving praise, and the value of learning to quit things just to prove to yourself that you can.   We also talk about: Coming back to compassion Not changing yourself for others Opening up + being able to receive Self-care, self-love, + self-help Being able to separate yourself from negative thoughts Coping with emotional eating Changing your relationship with alcohol   Find more to love at almost30podcast.com!   Resources: Shop ban.do: bando.com Instagram: @jengotch The Upside of Being Down: How Mental Health Struggles Led to My Greatest Successes in Work and Life by Jen Gotch   Sponsors: Podcast Pro | Visit www.yourpodcastpro.com for courses that will take you step-by-step through the process of starting your own podcast. Vuori | Visit www.vuoriclothing.com/almost30 for 20% off Ancient Nutrition | Visit ancientnutrition.com and use code ALMOST30 for 20% off a one-time order 99 Designs | www.99designs.com/almost30 for $25 off your first design contest   Almost 30 is edited by Crate Media

At 19, Jen Gotch had a panic attack in the airport, just ahead of boarding a flight back to college. "I, on a cellular level, felt like I was going to die if I got on that airplane," says the Ban.do founder and author of the soon-to-be-released Upside of Being Down: How Mental Health Struggles Led to My Greatest Successes in Work and Life. Now, years later and hundreds of flights under her belt, that anxiety has shifted, evolved, and—most recently—waned, as she's found strategies to stay calm on the road. (One life-changing tool? TSA PreCheck.) This week, we sat down with Jen to talk through how she continues to tackle her travel anxiety, why vacations (even if they're just on our own couches) are good for our mental health, and why she stopped working on her days off.  Find a link to preorder Jen's book, out March 24, and a full transcription of the episode here: https://www.cntraveler.com/story/bando-founder-jen-gotch-on-anxiety-and-the-power-of-mini-vacations Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On the podcast today, I’m joined by Steve Uria, the founder of one of New York’s hottest workouts Switch Playground, among many other fitness concepts that he developed in his home country of South Africa and during his time in Atlanta and LA. When talking to him and learning about his life as fitness visionary, I thought about Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell. At Penn, my alma mater, I actually had the chance to listen to Malcolm Gladwell speak and from the book, he expounded on the 10,000 hour role, which he considers to be the key to becoming world-class in any field. You practice something by dedicating 20 hours of work a week to it for 10 years and that’s your key to success. Steve is perfect proof of that, having immersed himself in physical activity and movement and the study of the human body for more than three decades. In this episode, he talks about the origins of his love for fitness, the lessons he learned at school that fostered his scientific knowledge, which inform his practice, his roots in South Africa’s Special Forces Military training and the ways he continues to innovate and revolutionize the fitness space. Link to the female founders panel with Jen Gotch of ban.do, Vicki Fulop of Brooklinen and Lisa Barnett of Little Spoon here! https://almamattersxbrooklinen.splashthat.com/

Cyndi Ramirez is the amazing self-made entrepreneur and chiller-in-chief behind Chillhouse, the go-to destination for all things self care. What started as a Lower East Side brick and mortar with a nail salon, massage boutique and full service café has evolved into a national wellness brand with a loyal following and its own editorial platform dubbed The Chill Times. This whole endeavor didn’t stem from the traditional path of college then maybe an MBA. Cyndi dropped out of college twice and spent that time on the ground, learning on the job until she and her now husband found a void in the wellness market and filled it with Chillhouse. Enjoy her incredible story in today's episode! New Yorkers, RSVP to The Alma Matters Experience live podcast recording with Jen Gotch, Vicki Fulop and Lisa Barnett here! https://almamattersxbrooklinen.splashthat.com/

We're so excited to introduce you to Lana Hansen, Chief Growth Officer at Lifeguard Press/ban.do & the Founder / CEO of LHINC. Lana is a born connector, and the Founder and CEO of LHINC (pronounced Link).A seasoned growth strategist, she's the central hub and secret weapon leading partnerships for many of the most exciting brands, designers, and retailers working across fashion and lifestyle today. Identifying new business opportunities and seamlessly connecting clients from Starbucks to Sephora, she knows how to mobilize consumers and deliver inspired product to grow your business. Her role is wholly focussed on collaborations & partnerships as a means to grow brands, so we are so excited to take a peek behind the scenes of Starbucks x Ban.do collaborations, & how ban.do approach collaboration marketing as part of a dedicated partnerships team. A big thank-you to Microsoft Store Sydney for supporting this podcast, you can book into one of their free business workshops or consultation HERE Check out...Lifeguard PressLHINCBan.doCollabosaurus

Today on Who's There, our weekly call-in show, we answer questions, comments, and concerns covering a wide variety of topics, from the fact that Jen Gotch is forever connected to crying at work, to Mike Posner's finished run, to a certain guest's famous husband. There are also headier, more complicated questions, like "What is the relationship between People magazine and NBC Universal property The Voice" and "Who the hell is Demi Lovato dating and what does he have to do with Dogtown and Z-Boys?" Oh, there's also something about the movie/musical Once, but you'll have to listen to find out why. Honestly I already forgot why we brought it up. As always, call 619.WHO.THEM to leave a message and we might address it on a future episode!

Today on Who's There, our weekly call-in show where we answer your questions, comments, and concerns, we chat quickly about Selena Gomez's new song (mouth noises) and Kesha's new song (instantly iconic) before taking comments about the Paddington Pooper, Dairy Queen (aka Dennis Quaid), and the ubiquitous Pokemon Go spon. After those six hours fly by, we move on to questions, and hoooooo boy are these a doozy. First up is an exploration of a mysterious man who's friends with seemingly every Who we've ever talked about. He goes by @Michael on Instagram, and, yes, we found him. (With the help of a very talented friend.) Then we pivot to Australia's Masked Singer, where Lindsay Lohan has somehow found herself asking Cody Simpson about furniture. Finally, we talk about Jen Gotch, the Ban.do founder who would like you all to start crying at work. Call 619.WHO.THEM to leave us a voicemail, and we might address it on a future show! Until Tuesday, crunch crunch.

Don't ask Jen Gotch how to describe her 11-year-old business Ban.do. What began as a hair accessories company has evolved into a lifestyle brand that can be found at more than 3,000 department stores and boutiques around the world and count Starbucks and Taylor Swift as collaborators. Jen has evolved, too. As a co-founder, chief creative officer, mental health advocate, and now, author, Jen joined her old pals Michael and Alli in front of a Ban.do-clad live audience at the Grove to get real about mental health (duh), creative entrepreneurship, and how her brand can stand for more than just fun. Keep up with Jen at @jengotch and @shopbando. And don't forget to follow @alliwebb for #BTS of Raising The Bar and subscribe and rate us!

Alexa Curtis inspires teens around the globe to be fearless. She started this journey at the age of 12 and has been living a life unfiltered for almost a decade. Her incredibly popular Life Unfiltered blog, podcast, Radio Disney show Fearless Everyday and brand are everywhere and she is one incredibly fun person. Hear all about her story, her passion, her "Be Fearless" summit and her desire to live a life unfiltered as she connects with Lou Diamond on Thrive LOUD. Shout outs from Alexa on this program: Michelle Obama, Jen Gotch, ban.do, Sara Blakely, Shark Tank, Bobby Hobert -  Purpose in the Youth Podcast, Guy Raz, Michelle Grant (Lively brand).    *** Connect to Lou Diamond: www.loudiamond.net Subscribe to Thrive LOUD: www.thriveloud.com/podcast  

Jessy Fofana is the founder of LaRue PR, a boutique PR agency that represents all the brands and entrepreneurs everyone aspires to be like. This episode is a little different - while Jessy doesn’t have a direct background in e-commerce she did build a cosmetics brand in the 90s which she successfully sold before going into PR full time and eventually starting her own agency. Brian and Jessy discuss the importance of PR for your business and how you can think about PR on a zero dollar budget. Jessy has a ton of great tips and tricks on how to get your brand exposure if you’re just starting out and some resources that are helpful for a company at any stage. To get inspired further check out some of Jessy’s favorite female founders and their brands on Instagram: Alli Webb of Drybar (@alliwebb & @thedrybar) Jeni Britton Bauer of Jeni’s Splendid Ice Cream (@jenibrittonbauer & @jenisicecreams) Jaclyn Johnson of Create and Cultivate (@jaclynrjohnson & @createcultivate) Jen Gotch of Ban.do (@jengotch & @shopbando) Justina Blakeney of The Jungalow & Justina Blakeney Home (@justinablakeney, @thejungalow, & @justinablakeneyhome) And check out prcouture.com and createcultivate.com for great articles and blog posts touching on everything from PR to social and marketing.

I LOVE podcasts. They are the absolute perfect way to learn or be entertained while you do boring or mundane stuff. I listen to quite a few podcasts and I'm always recommending specific episodes to friends. Today I want to share my favorite with you!  I'll cover my favorite podcasts for your business, for parenting (especially fostering and adopting), and just general fun stuff. This week I'm sharing some of my favorite podcasts. I have been listening to podcasts since 2006! My husband bought me an ipod shuffle (no screen!) for Valentine's Day in 2006 because I was listening to podcasts on my computer (we only had a desktop, no laptop, and obviously we only had flip phones. FLIP PHONES!). Those first podcasts I loved (you can still go back and listen!) - KnitCast, which may have been the first podcast about knitting, CastOn with Brenda Dayne, which inspired the direction of my yarn company, and CraftyPod with Diane Gilleland, who I stalked on Twitter until we became real-life friends and collaborators. (I took her class on podcast years before I started this show and anything good in this podcast I learned from her.) The landscape of podcasting has changed QUITE a bit since 2006! For starters, you likely know what they are now, and you probably didn't back then. Many of you don’t even listening Explore Your Enthusiasm as an audio podcast, you watch it on YouTube. When I first started this show back in 2014, I had to explain to interested students what podcasts were and how to actually get them. If you are reading this, did you know you can get it delivered to your phone automatically? If you have an iphone, just go to the Podcast app, search for "explore your enthusiasm" and hit the "subscribe" button! It'll come to your phone every Wednesday morning. If you use a different phone, look in your app store for a podcast app, and subscribe in the same way. Before we get into my faves, let's talk about listening to podcasts for a minute - there are some podcasts I listen to every week, but MOST shows, I tend to save up and then binge on. I may spend a whole week listening to one show, and then not listen again for a month. I may completely forget about a show for 3 months, and then it becomes one of my favorites. So when I recommend these shows, I'm not just recommending the most recent episodes, I'm recommending them overall, because I've learned something from them over the years. And now that I've told you how I listen to podcasts, you don't need to apologize to ME for not hearing my most recent episode, when you meet me in person or send me a DM I get it! And if you want to hear MY best podcast episodes, check out the episode 234! In it I share the most popular episodes and you can find them linked up at the show notes: https://taraswiger.com/podcast234/ My favorite podcasts for your biz: I'll be honest, I don't listen to a lot of business podcasts regularly, because I find they distract me from what I need to be working on! I don't need more ideas, I just need to do the work! However, when I do need ideas or inspiration, I listen to these: Hashtag Authentic - I met Sarah Tasker when she was a student in my Craft Your Marketing workshop in Manchester, England. And then I was blown away when I realized that she is an Instagram superstar and writes an amazing blog. Her podcast Hashtag Authentic is SO good and has amazing interviews with people you don't hear anywhere else. And! Her book Hashtag Authentic just came out and is the best thing ever. The Goal Digger Podcast - Jenna Kutcher, who has a giant business and started out as a photographer and went viral on Instagram, shares some amazing lessons in this show. She switches between teaching episodes (kinda like my show usually is) with interviews with a really random collection of people. To be honest, I usually skip the interviews because she's had some reality stars on which is...odd, but also some great conversations about diversity in the Instagram world. I tend to pick and choose. My favorite episodes have been about concrete topics like growing Instagram or Pinterest. Online Marketing Made Easy with Amy Porterfield - I haven't listened to this show in about a year because I would end up taking copious notes on each episode and learning so much...and I've been in a place of implementing (and healing!), instead of learning. But when I need to uplevel some aspect of my business, I search her archives and listen to the episodes that relate to what I need. That said, a few years ago I listened every single week and  acted on so much of what she taught I think it directly correlated to my business hitting six figures. (No, I haven't taken her classes, but they look great!) Hol:Fit Talks - Ange Petersen has a multimillion dollar business and is one of the top sellers in doTERRA and she believes it is all about mindset. Her episodes are so encouraging and enlightening, no matter what business you're in. All Rise Up with Allison Nichols - If you have doTERRA business, you need to be listening to this podcast. I am telling you that it is REQUIRED listening. If you have a different business, you're going to love her interviews and learn a lot about how to be a bold salesperson. Allison is another of the top sellers in doTERRA and I love how unapologetic she is about her ambition and how hard you need to work. Honorable Mention:  I used to listen to both The Tim Ferriss Show and School of Greatness weekly, but I haven't listened in a few years. I became tired of the interview format. The School of Greatness, does have a more diverse line-up (Tim's show tends to be all white dudes who have giant business, many of which are "intellectual dark web" people). I also have listened to and loved The Life Coach School show, Sounds Like Bliss, Manifestation Babe. There are two mental health related podcasts that I think are just great: Jen Gotch is Ok… Sometimes - The first several episodes are required listening if you think you may be dealing with mental health issues. Jen Gotch is the founder of Band.Do, which means she's a super smart businesswoman...and she has bipolar disorder and anxiety disorder. Hearing her story in the first few episodes was really what I needed this summer. The Hilarious World of Depression - This is the podcast I didn't know I needed. Each week the host interviews a different funny person and they talk about their experience with depression, how they got treatment and what works for them. It is always heartwarming and sometimes heartbreaking and is what you need if you feel alone. Honorable Mention: Oprah's Supersoul Conversation. I don't think it needs an explanation. It's Oprah and some great guests and some kooky guests. Parenting podcasts: Real Mom Podcast - a foster and adoptive mom interviews moms from all backgrounds and although this show is aimed at Christian moms, I think all moms can relate to the stories shared and the real conversations. Slate's Mom and Dad are Fighting - this is a panel show with 3 parents who answer listener questions and share their own "triumphs and fails" each week. Sometimes they talk about older kids, sometimes toddlers, I always enjoy it and usually listen while washing dishes. The Empowered Parent Podcast - this is usually a conversation with two parents and is based on the concepts in Karyn Purvis' work and the Connect Child book. If you are parenting a kid with trauma or you're feeling disconnected, there's lots of good foundational stuff with examples in this show (I mostly download old shows and listen about a specific topic, like tantrums, or reunification) Honorable Mention: The Adoption Connection. Random podcasts that got me through hard times: By the Book - In this podcast two friends read and live by a self-help book for 2 weeks. They choose different kinds of books and share the results. This is a professionally produced show and yet manages to be hilarious and warm, like listening to two friends. When I'm traveling and can't sleep, I sometimes put this on with the sleep timer and I drift off. (Not because it's boring but because I need some friends around) Dear Hank And John - John Green (author of Fault in Our Stars and a million other very good novels) and his brother Hank Green (author of An Absolutely Remarkable Thing and the creator and business brains of tons of huge YouTube things, like Crash Course) have a weekly YT show called VlogBrothers, which is one of the first vlog-type things I ever watched. Now they have a podcast where they give dubious advice to listener's questions and it is always hilarious and uplifting. This is one I listen to every week within a few days of it coming out, often when I'm in the car with my foster kiddos. Honorable Mention: I was listening to Layla Saad's Wild Mystic Woman podcast for conversations about anti-racist work, but she recently changed it up and has the new Good Ancestor Podcast which I just downloaded. There are a lot of other shows I listen to now and again, all of these have been listened to recently: Nerdette, Slate's The Waves, Decoder Ring, Reading Glasses, Reply All, NPR's Pop Culture Happy Hour, Beautiful Writers Podcast, Rants and Randomness with Luvvie, NPR's Code Switch. Now that I've put all these shows in one place I can see some things I'd like to change about my own habits - I'm glad to see I am listening to a lot of shows by women, which is something I purposefully sought to change a few years ago. But I recognize that among those women there isn't a lot of diversity. This year I'd like to change that a bit, so I'm  listening to and learning from people who are different from me.   Listen in at TaraSwiger.com/podcast248

Jen Gotch is the Chief Creative Officer of Ban.do, a writer, podcaster, mental health advocate, influencer and one of the most creative humans out there. Today she joins the podcast to share her insight on surviving your 20s, the power of claiming the word 'creative', the link between creativity & mental health and the benefits of having success later in life. Jen and also Lauren discuss the pain and joy of leading a creative life and being a human, in general. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/unleashyourinnercreative/message

Hi, hello and Happy New Year! It's Jen Gotch here, to share a little bit of JGOK info with you! Press play to hear breaking news on Season One of Jen Gotch is OK,,,Sometimes and to hear me tell you I love you once again...Because, I do. Bye! Bye. Byeeeeee.

We hope you’re loving our “Best Of” series!  This time of year we love to go back and re-listen to episodes to hear things we might not have picked up on first time around!  We would totally recommend if you are pulled to one of these excerpts. We love you and wish you an aligned 2019! HERE FOR YOU ALWAYS!   In this episode we we highlight our conversations with…   Stewart Pearce, is a world-renowned voice coach, an intuitive, and a seer of forty years. We talk about maturing quickly, exploring the physical and the resonant voice, and the differences of living in your head and your body. Carly Stein, is the founder and CEO of Beekeepers Natural’s. We talk about beekeeping and bee decline, monocropping and how it affects the bees, propolis, and Carly determining and healing her autoimmune disease. Dave Asprey, is the founder of Bulletproof, and author of The Bulletproof Diet. We talk about energy and spirituality, and his path of losing weight, becoming kinder, and recognizing the connection between the two. Jen Gotch, is the founder of Ban.Do, and host of the Jen Gotch Is OK… Sometimes podcast. We talk about becoming more self aware, mental health, receiving support from parents, and going to therapy. Suzy Batiz, is the inventor, founder, and CEO of Poo~Pourri, and Supernatural. We talk about losing it all and facing her shadow side, being an entrepreneur, cutting energetic cords, and a new take on boundaries. Nicole Lapin, is the NYT bestselling author of Rich Bitch and Boss Bitch, and the host of Hatched. We talk about doing internal work, financial stories and misinformation we’ve been told, and investments. Stefan Hunt, is a filmmaker, artist, and creator of the festival, We’re All Going To Die. We talk about the role of art in his festival, fear and death, and the challenges and response to the festival Stefan created. Millana Snow, is a Reiki healer, meditation teacher and Founder of Wellness Official. We talk about the interconnections between the bodies and the chakras, alignment, creating space for healthy sex, and exploring the solar plexus. Anjelah Johnson, is an actress + comedian. We talk about Anjelah’s journey into acting and Hollywood, being an extra on Friends, and what she learned through it all. Rachel Cargle, is an activist, writer, and lecturer. We talk about the roots of the feminist movement, the cracks in the health and wellness spaces, and Rachel’s incredible fundraiser.   Find more to love at almost30podcast.com!   Resources: Your Podcast Pro: enroll at yourpodcastpro.com   College Tour: Email events@almost30podcast.com Help us create a video! Call our hotline: 1-424-272-1853     Sponsors: Veggie Grill | During the holidays, we are offering an extra $10 for every $40 gift card! Head to veggiegrill.com for yours! Morning Recovery | Use code ALMOST30 for $5 off a single purchase or subscription at morningrecoverydrink.com Nutribullet | Use code ALMOST30 for 25% off at nutribulletbalance.com Outdoor Voices | Use code ALMOST30 for 20% off your first order of $100 or more at outdoorvoices.com/almost30 Honeybook | Use code ALMOST30 for 50% off the first year of Honeybook at honeybook.com Candid Co. | Head to candidco.com/almost30 for 25% off the modeling kit The Almost 30 Podcast is edited by Podcast Masters

Hi hi. It’s Jen. Jen Gotch. You know me, I’m the host of this podcast. Remember my episode on travel anxiety? Well, I’ve been working really hard to try to overcome those feelings and I’m making huge strides that I wanted to share with you. In this episode, I'll recap the origins of my anxiety, some examples of how it rears its ugly head, and finally, how I managed to succeed in dealing with it—almost flawlessly—on a recent trip. Oh and I’ll answer some of your anxiety questions, too.

Jen Gotch is no stranger to sharing her struggles. In her quest to make people feel less lonely, she explains how sharing her struggles publicly has actually helped her become stronger in the long run, and how changing the dialog surrounding mental health can help us all. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/superwomen/support

Welcome to the WorkPartyTour minisodes. In this minisode we’re bringing the party to you straight from the WorkPartyTour stage in Nashville with Jen Gotch, Founder of ban.do. Whether you’re running the show or balancing your side hustles, stay tuned for the real-talk business advice you need. Be sure to follow the party on social @workparty and get the latest updates at workparty.com   Guest Information:   Jen Gotch: https://www.instagram.com/jengotch/ ban.do: https://www.instagram.com/shopbando/   Host:   Jaclyn Johnson: http://jaclynrjohnson.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jaclynrjohnson/   Episode Resources:   WorkParty.com createcultivate.com

This week, Gerard + Jessie learn that sympathy pains can extend from partner to partner, as well as from person to pet. Appliance anxiety causes destruction at Casa de Pepper and the whole family is shocked that no one actually got shocked. Depression isn’t always easy to talk about, but it’s important to tell your spouse how you feel for the sake of boosting the overall (mental) health of the marriage.Thanks to PrepDish, Thrive Market + Amazon for making this episode possible! Click right here to learn more about our sponsors and head to our site for more info about how to support the show.QUICK BITES:Jessie and Sadie suffer from sympathy pains in everything from back pain to misophonia to general anxiety.We are trying to figure out the best ways to keep our girl calm, and these herbal pills and CBD drops are starting to help. We loved this podcast episode about separation anxiety and are thinking about getting Sadie a thundershirt for any noisy holiday nights.Jessie is pumped about the new Thrive Market clean wines + Gerard gets on board with the sustainable meat + seafood section!Sadie’s anxiety started with Summer fireworks, but we’re hoping that it stops at the infamous attack of our air conditioning unit.The Peppers try to decide if electricity can scramble someone’s mental health. Are there any scientists in the audience who would like to weigh in?Jessie shares about her struggles with anxiety + depression and wants the Gang to know that they can find hope in healing. Three things that have helped with her own personal progress: Studying self awareness, designing her life around alignment, and embracing spirituality in a wholehearted way.Please be careful of adverse reactions in pet vaccines! This has happened to us twice, and thankfully never resulted in the loss of any furbabies. (A related warning to our local friends: Don’t EVER take your animals to the Long Beach ER Vet on PCH + Ximeno.)Jessie’s new Amazon-fueled guilty pleasures: The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel and sugar-free dark chocolate chips.A Henri Nouwen quote that is encouraging us this week: “As soon as we feel at home in our own house, discovering the dark corners as well as the light spots, the closed doors as well as the drafty rooms, our confusion will evaporate and our anxiety will diminish and we will then become capable of creative work.” -- From The Wounded Healer.The podcast Jen Gotch is OK… Sometimes is a great resource if you’d like to listen to someone share their personal experience, and she also gives tons of info and resources about mental health.For anyone who’s been told, “If you’re sad, just pray about it,” we are here to assure you that God is fully ready and willing to sit with you in your pain. Jessie has taken a deep look at how her sense of spirituality helps her operate in the world, and this approach has made a significant difference in her overall wellbeing.Gerard describes his experience of worry and stress and how they both pertain to his own emotions. There are distinct differences between anxiety and depression, especially when it comes to clinical and situational settings.Knowing how to support your partner during a difficult time is the key to pulling through the depths together, in one piece. Jessie learns that her attempt at coaching Gerard is not always well-received, so The Peppers get honest about what either one wants when they happen to be feeling low.Jessie is a big fan of practicing gratitude daily and has evidence to show as to why it helps keep anxiety at bay. TLDR: Filling your brain with good stuff will leave less room for the things that brings you stress.This week’s MIF Mailbag highlights a listener question about how to support your spouse during a bout of depression… Gerard relies on something that we call “redirection” and it’s become a very effective tool to help pull someone out of a funk.Distraction Disclaimer: This is not the same as avoiding or ignoring your problems, and it’s far more about giving the other person the choice to get pulled out of their “well” as you help them climb up to safety.The bottom line is that asking your partner, “What do you need in this moment?” is often the best way to find out which way to go next.TRIGGER QUESTIONS:1.) Do you ever get sympathy pains when your partner is uncomfortable?2.) Have you ever tried a gratitude practice? Do you believe that it would help you in a moment of stress?3.) What do you typically want or need from your spouse when you’re feeling down in the dumps?

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Jen Gotch walked in for this episode wearing the most beautiful, colorful, happy dress: exactly what you’d expect from the creator of ban.do, an inspiring + positive lifestyle brand that’s grown tremendously since it began as a one-of-a-kind hair accessories company.   Jen is very transparent about how she is feeling on her good days and her bad days (which you know if you follow her on Instagram @jengotch). Jen is open about the mental health struggles she’s dealt with throughout her life, and she has been diligently learning to get closer to who she really is and care for herself – all the while building this incredible brand.   If you want to join in on this conversation, head over to the secret Facebook group!   We talk about...   Social media Needing to leave the place you grew up Learning to own your creativity Starting in LA as a prop and food stylist Launching ban.do as a side project The difficult transitional period that is your 20s Emotional intelligence + becoming self-aware Finding a therapist (get help finding one for you at Advekit) What fuels Jen’s creativity Getting dressed makes you feel better! How social media changed ban.do Creating a unique planner Jen’s relationship with spirituality When & why Jen sold her company Celebrating 10 years of ban.do Supporting a brand you can connect with Jen’s advice for others struggling with anxiety The difference between self-deprecating or self-soothing and self-care   Find more to love at almost30podcast.com!   Resources: Shop ban.do | bando.com Listen to Jen’s podcast | Jen Gotch is OK...Sometimes Instagram | @jengotch Get help finding the right therapist | Advekit.com Chosen Foods | Use code ALMOST30 for 50% off at chosenfoods.com/almost30 Four Sigmatic | Use code ALMOST30 for 15% off your order at foursigmatic.com/almost30 Après | Use code ALMOST30 for 15% off at drinkapres.com FabFitFun | Use code ALMOST30 for $10 off at fabfitfun.com Bioclarity | Use code ALMOST30 for 50% off your 1st order + free shipping at bioclarity.com The Almost 30 Podcast is edited by Podcast Masters

I have been waiting to have this guest on for what feels like FOREVER. Jen Gotch is the epitome of a girl boss as she founded ban.do with a friend in 2008 and with no prior business experience, was able to transform it from a small, vintage, one-of-a-kind hair accessories company into a multimillion-dollar brand within years. after a long (and winding) road of jobs that led her to where she is today, she’s now the chief creative officer and fearless leader of the ban.do team. On top of that, she is a fierce mental health advocate and I am so excited to hear her inspiring messages surrounding both business and life. In this episode, you will learn how Jen got her amazing start to ban.do, but also why her current mission is spreading awareness about mental health. Find out how why Jen thinks entrepreneurs are specifically challenged by mental health concerns, tangible way that we can be there for one another, how to actually TALK about such an “uncomfortable topic”, create change, and create community. Goal Diggers, this episode is about to remind you that everything you are feeling today is OKAY. You are not alone and we are all in this together. GOAL DIGGER FB COMMUNITY: https://www.facebook.com/groups/goaldiggerpodcast/ GOAL DIGGER INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/goaldiggerpodcast/ GOAL DIGGER SHOWNOTES: jennakutcherblog.com/jen

Entrepreneur and mental health advocate Jen Gotch (founder and CCO of Ban.do) stops by to talk about how she created the multimillion dollar lifestyle brand, being bipolar, her emotional rating scale, self-awareness, how Ban.do developed and why she doesn't really consider it a "fashion" brand, creating the sell out necklaces that said "anxiety" and "depression" and what both feel like to her, her career path, her relationship with her parents, her new Girlboss Media podcast Jen Gotch Is OK... Sometimes, a forthcoming book, going to a food therapist and so much more. We also did a round of Just Me Or Everyone. Check us out on Patreon: http://patreon.com/alisonrosen [powerpress] Download the episode from iTunes. Buy Alison's Book: Tropical Attire Encouraged (and Other Phrases That Scare Me) You probably need to buy a new ARIYNBF Legacy Shirt! and the HGFY ringtone! Try Amazon Prime Free 30 Day Trial

Ivka Adam is the founder and CEO of Iconery, a venture-backed jewelry company that powers the collections for Rashida Jones, Jen Gotch, Michelle Branch, and has done collaborations with Goop, Nordstrom X Nike, and many others. Ivka is also widely celebrated as a speaker at some of the most iconic events including Women’s Wear Daily Summits, Create & Cultivate, the Girlboss Rally, and Advertising Week. She is a world-class hiker/backpacker who has summited Mt. Kilimanjaro, Mt. Whitney 5 times (and counting), the West Face of Mt. Shasta, and she regularly hikes the John Muir Trail and Trans-Catalina Trails in California. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

If you asked Jen Gotch in her 20s what her career might be like today, she'd have had absolutely no idea. "I'm a late bloomer," she tells Hillary Kerr on episode 17 of Second Life. The businesswoman and founder of the stylish gifts and accessories brand Ban.do spent college studying literature and philosophy with the goal of becoming a lawyer, only to realize that wasn't the path for her. Little did she know it would be a career in food styling that would ignite her creativity and lead to the beginning of her own brand then, later, a podcast about mental health.

This week on the podcast, your host Jerico Mandybur dives into a card with a reputation the 7 of Swords. The message? Stay in your lane. Then, founder and chief creative officer of band.do (turned mental health advocate and Insta-influencer), Jen Gotch joins us to discuss mental illness, self-care and sharing your inner most struggles on Instagram. Resident astrologer also gives us our regular forecast for the week ahead, plus some astrological insights (and practical homework!) on self-caring for anxiety.

 "Jen Gotch is OK...Sometimes" is the newest podcast to hit the Girlboss Radio network, hosted by ban.do founder and chief creative officer (turned mental health advocate and cult Instagrammer), Jen Gotch. Subscribe and get an all-access pass to Jen Gotch's beautiful brain. Jen Gotch is OK...Sometimes launches May 29th wherever good podcasts are found. "Jen Gotch is OK...Sometimes" the newest podcast from Girlboss Radio network, hosted by ban.do founder and chief creative officer (turned mental health advocate and cult Instagrammer), Jen Gotch, launches May 29th.

 "Jen Gotch is OK...Sometimes" is the newest podcast to hit the Girlboss Radio network, hosted by ban.do founder and chief creative officer (turned mental health advocate and cult Instagrammer), Jen Gotch. Subscribe and get an all-access pass to Jen Gotch's beautiful brain. Jen Gotch is OK...Sometimes launches May 29th wherever good podcasts are found. "Jen Gotch is OK...Sometimes" the newest podcast from Girlboss Radio network, hosted by ban.do founder and chief creative officer (turned mental health advocate and cult Instagrammer), Jen Gotch, launches May 29th.

"Jen Gotch is OK...Sometimes" is the newest podcast to hit the Girlboss Radio network, hosted by ban.do founder and cheif creative officer (turned mental health advocate and cult Instagrammer), Jen Gotch. Subscribe and get an all-access pass to Jen Gotch's beautiful brain. Jen Gotch is OK...Sometimes launches May 29th wherever good podcasts are found.

On this 2nd edition special episode, you'll hear inspirational stories and advice from more remarkable women who spoke at the recent Girlboss Rally in L.A., like fashion entrepreneur Jen Gotch, venture capitalist Sarah Kunst, Beautycon CEO Moj Mahdara, divorce attorney to the stars Laura Wasser and Female Quotient CEO Shelley Zalis.

On this 2nd edition special episode, you'll hear inspirational stories and advice from more remarkable women who spoke at the recent Girlboss Rally in L.A., like fashion entrepreneur Jen Gotch, venture capitalist Sarah Kunst, Beautycon CEO Moj Mahdara, divorce attorney to the stars Laura Wasser and Female Quotient CEO Shelley Zalis.

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Welcome back! We’re pumped to have you here for Season 2. Here to kick us off is Neha Gandhi, the COO and editor-in-chief of Girlboss, a new publication “for women redefining success on their own terms.” Sounds about right to us. Neha told us all about her start in journalism, what it’s like to manage teams of mostly women, and how group texts with her friends keep her grounded (you’ll LOVE the rosebud and thorn analogy, promise). > First of all, maybe it’s ok to be selfish and put yourself first, and put your career first at times. But also, ambition is not a dirty word. That said, none of us feel ambitious all the time, and none of us have exactly the same idea of what success looks like. > —Neha Gandhi, editor-in-chief and COO, Girlboss Plus: Having good and bad managers, being good and bad managers, and what we’re doing to cut noninclusive and ableist language from the show. Y’all ready? Link love If you enjoy our convo about manager-ing, check this advice column from The Cut about being a better manager by being vulnerable with your team. Get more on Neha’s background with this interview, and follow her on Twitter for more on pop culture, politics, and the media industry. To hear from speakers like Paola Mendoza and Janet Mock, register for the Girlboss Rally livestream on April 28. For more on the topic of gratefulness and negotiating, check out this advice on how to negotiate when you’re being promoted. And if you’re interested in learning more about inclusive language—and maybe tweaking some of your own habits—check out this list of ableist words and the Conscious Style Guide. Use Slack at work? See if you can get your company to customize Slackbot to nudge your team when they use noninclusive language. Sponsors This episode of NYG is brought to you by: Shopify, a leading global commerce platform that’s building a diverse, intelligent, and motivated team—and they  want to apply to you. Visit shopify.com/careers to see what they’re talking about. _WordPress—the place to build your personal blog, business site, or anything else you want on the web. WordPress helps others find you, remember you, and connect with you. _ Transcript Katel LeDû Shopify builds products that help entrepreneurs around the world start and grow their businesses. Starting from a few people obsessed with personal growth, Shopify is now a team of 3,000 folks working in offices and remote teams across the globe. They’re growing quickly and building an international team that will define the future of entrepreneurship. Visit shopify.com/careers to find out what they’re working on. [Music fades in, plays for nine seconds, fades out]. [0:32] Jenn Lukas Welcome to Season 2 of No, You Go: the show about being ambitious—and sticking together. I’m Jenn Lukas. KL I’m Katel LeDû. Sara Wachter-Boettcher And I’m Sara Wachter-Boettcher, and I’m so excited here for our first episode of Season 2 because we have so much good stuff in store. We are kicking things off today by sharing an awesome interview with Girlboss editor-in-chief and COO Neha Gandhi. She talks to us about building a career in publishing through a dramatically changing landscape, how to redefine success for ourselves, and why talking about money is so difficult. She also talks a lot about what it’s like to grow as a manager. And, actually, can we start there today? KL Yeah, I feel like that—listening to her talk brought up so many sort of thoughts and memories about, you know, just my career as it’s gone so far, and how I’ve had good managers and bad managers, and I feel like having both of those things has helped me grow as a manager, like when I became one for the first time. It was a really sort of frankly awkward situation because I was working in a team of people and I was most of those people’s peers and some of those people’s junior. Like I, you know, I was sort of at a level below and all of a sudden I was their manager. And it was really—a really interesting shift because I had to kind of like not just learn how to manage the team and make them feel like I was there, you know, doing the job well. It wasn’t just awkward, it was also really challenging because I was learning how to be a manager and that in and of itself is like: how do you run processes? How do you manage workflows? How do you, you know, keep things running? But then how do you also you know get the people on the team to feel like you’re there doing the right job, you’re the right person for the job, and you have their best interests in mind. And, for me, I think going directly from being, you know, sort of working with those people at—at the exact same level to being a manager was like … I realized that the more I included them in the process of like me getting up to speed, the more investment they would have in the team succeeding and like moving forward. JL That’s so neat, because [sighs] there’s so many parts to being a manager. So many things to learn and constantly learn even once you’ve been a manager for awhile. But to then also feel you have to prove yourself because you didn’t come into the role as a manager. You transitioned to the role of a manager. It just puts on a whole new layer of things to consider when, you know, trying to really rock your job as a manager. [3:11] KL And especially when you’re, you know, either at a job or a company where there’s either a super strict or defined management style. Like if it’s extremely hierarchical or, I don’t know, not a lot of room for growth. So it’s like not as clear when people become managers or not. Or it’s loosely defined and you’re kind of like trying to figure that out. I think it’s—it’s so hard to identify when you’re a good manager, or when you’re, you know, not being good at that. SWB I remember I first became a manager—I was in my twenties and I was working at an agency and I went from being sort of like the only person doing content strategy and web writing related stuff to taking on sort of like this broader strategic role and bringing in somebody who I managed who was a writer. And then all of a sudden from there I went from having this one direct report to having a team of six staff and two interns who reported to me. And I became a director at the company which meant, you know, at this agency of like 40 people and meant that I reported directly to the owners and I was in all of the senior management meetings, and … there was no advice or guidance about what I was supposed to be doing. And not only that, there wasn’t anybody to take over a lot of the client work that I was responsible [mm hmm mm hmm] … and as a result, I was really overwhelmed and I had these people reporting to me who were great, but I didn’t feel like I was there enough for, and I wasn’t sure how to be there for them. And, you know, about half of them I really felt like I was an appropriate person to be their manager. And the other half felt like, they need a team. And I, you know, like my boss, the owner, was basically like, “We need them to roll up into somebody’s team and, like, you’re it!” [Chuckles] And like that’s not a good reason to have somebody report to you. And—but it created this scenario where, you know, like how was I going to guide and support them if I wasn’t totally sure that I really should be their manager in the first place? [KL Totally] And, you know, what—what I remember most about that experience was that I felt like the most important thing I could do in that moment, given what was available to me, was that I needed to advocate for the people on my team to the other senior managers and to the owners of the company because it was such a like weird transitional time. That was really important and I spent a lot of time there. But, you know, as a result, like I think—I think I did good at that. I did a lot of that. But what I think I did really bad at was being there for them individually, right? So like being able to hold one-on-ones with them and hear about the work that they were struggling with, where they wanted to grow, the sort of individual piece of it. And part of it was that I didn’t have time. I mean I really didn’t have time. But another big part of it was that I didn’t really know how to do that. And that’s like the biggest thing that if I—if I were going to manage a traditional team again, I would want to learn to get better at. JL I can relate so much to what you’re saying. I manage a team now. At Urban, I’m an Engineering Manager. And I … also have always struggled with how do I be a manager and also be an engineer? And I’ve talked to so many other engineering managers that have the same struggle of trying to find that, you know, balance. I’m always trying to find a balance somewhere. And so one of the things I did—I had talked to my manager about some of the stress I was having because I was feeling like I wasn’t doing—I thought I was doing a good job, but I didn’t think I was doing a great job in that I was having a real struggle going from, ok, in the morning, maybe I’d have a touch base, and then later I’d have to go to a meeting about, you know, design specs, and then maybe the next day I’d have another touch base with another direct report. And it was just really hard for me to constantly do the context switching. And so I started instituting Manager Monday, and Manager Monday is where basically I’d come in on Mondays and I’d hold all my touch bases with my direct reports on Mondays. It varies with my direct reports based on how often they want to meet and discuss. So some people I have biweekly touch bases with, some people I have every month, every three weeks, it just depends on the desires of my direct report. And I’ve just now scheduled them all on Monday. Which means: I come in Monday, and that is my focus. I’m going to focus on the management roles of, you know, my job. And it’s really helped me because then I don’t have to context switch back and forth. I come in on Monday, I say, “This is what I’m here for today.” So if other questions get asked, my calendar’s essentially all booked the entire day with management meetings or I block off time to, you know, just work on other things that are directly manager-related. And that has just I feel helped my relationships with my direct reports and my workload so much because I really feel like I can always be there on that day and be in the headspace for it. And like it doesn’t always work, you know, sometimes I’m out, sometimes the direct report is out, sometimes something comes up that I’ll have to move it to like, oh no, Manager Tuesday which doesn’t sound nearly as good [someone else laughs] but you know then it’s like a one off. [8:18] KL That’s so great. I think that’s something that I struggle with, you know, running a business that—I work with all freelancers, all remote folks, you know. This is no one’s full-time job, which has, I think, made it difficult sometimes to have everyone feel like they’re part of, you know, a singular team. And they don’t necessarily need to, but I’ve looked for ways to try to make that happen as much as it’s comfortable and possible for people. But I think that’s been so important because everyone—when you feel like you’re, you know, kind of cruising towards the same goal it’s—it just helps a lot. So. And it’s really beneficial for me because it makes me feel like I’m not just [chuckling] like out there, you know, on my own. JL Yeah, at Urban we had combined engineering teams. So we had a engineering team at Anthropologie and an engineering team at Urban Outfitters and we’re now combined under one team, starting about a year and a half ago. And one of the things that was interesting there was you took two teams and now we’re meshing them together it’s not like—you have to build a new culture! Because all of a sudden you just have a whole new team of people. And so we started a Urban Education and Culture Club where we tried to come up with activities for people to sort of get together and learn from each other and meet each other. And it sort of expanded to the whole building, so not just engineers but other people that are working on the websites and some [?]. And we use a Trello board to manage some of this [laughing]. So what we do is like drop things in like, “Topics People Wanna Learn,” or maybe people want to have, you know, a clicks watching party we did one time. Or, you know, a bowling happy hour. And just ways that we can get together and sort of sometimes it’s … you don’t want to force culture, but sometimes you do have to shape it. And like, you know, help build relationships by having planned activities. Things don’t just happen naturally. You don’t put 200 people in a building and be like, “Ok! Now everyone know each other and be friends.” So I think it’s ok to force a little activities on people—but things that help people learn to grow with each other. [10:19] KL And ultimately that—I think that helps people learn how to work with each other too [mm hmm]. Can I steal that? A Culture Club Apart or something? JL I love it. KL Great [all laugh]. SWB I mean I—I like thinking about how we build cultures and how we shape cultures because I think, you know, in—in industries like tech, oftentimes it’s like people substitute perks for culture [mm hmm]. So it’s like, “Oh we have free beer and ping pong.” Or whatever, right? Like there’s the stereotypes and often that’s like literally what they have and it’s like that is not a culture. [Mm hmm] And sometimes that can create really problematic cultures because it’s like, you know, you get super alcohol-centered or you end up with a culture that’s super male driven, and you don’t really have activities that women feel comfortable participating in, or lots of problems. But I think the big underlying thing is that those perks are not culture. Like culture is something you have to create and foster and [mm hmm] like facilitate and then over time you have to sustain it and all of that is work. And I think that work is super important, it’s not talked about enough, and oftentimes it’s like super devalued. Right? It’s like, that’s the office mom’s job as opposed to a fundamental part of having a workplace that is healthy and, therefore, also productive. JL During my one-on-ones with direct reports we’ll come up with goals and talk about, you know, things and that very often is technical related but sometimes it’s more about building the sharing community of our group. So one of my direct reports wanted to start basically like a code sharing thing which didn’t have to do directly and necessarily with the work we were doing on Urban but any technical problems. So we have something instead of a round table, we call it the dev square table. So we brought the dev square table where we could just look at different pieces of code, either for Urban or outside of the company and, you know, talk about it and share it with each other. So sort of a show and tell for code. Which is really neat because it just gave us a chance to just sit around and—and talk—talk code with each other, which was awesome. Another that we’ve done there was developer’s cinema lunch which then another one of my direct reports, when I went on maternity leave, took over and made it sort of… we’d bring popcorn and it ended up moving outside of lunch. So, don’t worry, we weren’t just eating popcorn for lunch [laughs]. But it was really neat. You know she sort of took what I had and enhanced it by having, basically, we’d watch a video and then discuss it. Talk about like things that we learned in the video. And it just gave us more of a chance to really learn and grow from each other. So it’s really neat, I feel like, to work—to help just outsource it. So it doesn’t become like an office mom thing, but you’re working with the whole team, for the whole team to take part of growing that culture. [12:48] SWB You know, speaking of building culture, that’s definitely something that I thought was really interesting in Neha’s interview. When she joined Girl Boss, it was just a fledgling startup organization and she’s really trying to build that out and figure out what that culture should be there. And so why don’t we go ahead and listen to that interview? KL [Music fades in] Yeah let’s do it. [Music ramps up, plays alone for four seconds, fades out.] KL If you visited us at noyougoshow.com, then you know it’s our hub online. And we use WordPress to run it, because it gives us the freedom and flexibility to share our voices, our way. Make your site your own when you build it with WordPress. No need to do any coding or design, and the WordPress customer support team is there 24/7 to help you get your site working smoothly. And plans start at just four dollars per month. Start building your website today. Go to wordpress.com/noyougo for 15 percent off any new plan purchase. That’s wordpress.com/noyougo for 15 percent off your brand-new website [music fades in and out]. KL Neha Gandhi is the editor-in-chief and chief operating officer of Girlboss, one of our favorite magazines and communities. She’s been building a career in publishing for over a decade, navigating the editorial world at publications like People, Harper’s Bazaar, Seventeen Magazine, and Refinery29. Excuse us while we brush the stars from our eyes. Neha, we are so excited to talk to you. Welcome to No, You Go. Neha Gandhi Thank you so much for having me. I’m so excited to be here. KL Awesome. You’ve had an exciting career in publishing so far, one I’m sure that has been a ton of work. Can you tell us a little bit about your path? NG So I graduated from college a little uncertain all through college about what would I really wanted to do. I think I found my path really through a process of elimination more than anything else. “Oh, I worked at a congressman’s office. Maybe that’s not for me.” “Management consulting: not for me. This non-profit: not for me.” So then I ended up interning at People Magazine one summer right before I graduated and loved it. Except that when I graduated I was like, “Oh I have this one amazing internship, surely I can get a job!” So I was looking for a magazine job and the competition was fierce. Everyone else who was applying for these jobs had had, you know, 10 different editorial internships over the course of four years in college and I had been doing a lot of different things that I, now looking back, really appreciated, but at the time was like, “Oh. I’m not going to be able to find a job.” So I didn’t find a job right out of school. [15:22] NG [Continued] I moved to New York for an internship that paid minimum wage at InStyle. And I’m really grateful for that opportunity. I learned how to fact check, I sat with the copy editors, and I, you know, developed an attention to detail and was able to work on some really cool pages, and do some research. And then I moved over to Meredith which I was a freelance editorial assistant and I got the opportunity to do the job … as like maternity fill-in for the senior fashion and beauty editor. And I think that that was just a great opportunity that came my way probably because they didn’t have the money to really bring on someone for maternity cover. But it really taught me the value of saying, “Oh, yeah, that’s an opportunity. I will absolutely do it. Do I know how to do that job? Definitely not. Do I think I can figure out in the fly? Probably.” So I got to do that and that was where I learned to properly assign, how to edit, how to think about an editorial calendar, and I learned about publishing on the web for the first time there. So that was great and when she came back, they were like, “You know, you probably want to move on and find another job because you don’t really want to go back to that freelance editorial assistant role that you came in for.” So I did. I moved over to Harper’s Bazaar and I started out as an editorial assistant there and then was the online editor there and I, you know, got to sort of help with research, I got to assist, I got to work on the website, which at that time involved a twice a month refresh that, you know, was me adapting some stories from the magazine, taking them down to the 14th floor in the Hearst Tower on like CD-ROM and having them like hard code the website twice a month. So it was a really [chuckles] different time [someone else chuckles] for internet publishing [yeah] but that was great. I learned, you know, everything I know about having proper work ethic and how magazines are run I learned at Bazaar. Well and from there our managing editor at Bazaar went over to Seventeen and he brought me over with him after a couple of months and I got to be the associate lifestyle editor there, and then I took over some of the entertainment pages, and then eventually took over the website, and I was at Seventeen probably for four years, and that was a lot of fun as well, and that was the first time I really had my own pages, and got to contribute in a very different and I got to conceive of ideas, and put them through the entire process, and write stories, and edit stories, and fact check, and all of that good stuff. Um it’s where I became a real editor. And then after that I moved to Refinery29 and I was there for about six years. And I, honestly, just loved the website. I was a big fan of the brand. God, I got to be the deputy editor there, the executive editor there, I got to grow that editorial team from probably eight people to over a hundred, and then I moved into a role as VP of editorial strategy, and got to sort of bridge the divide between editorial, and marketing, and content strategy, and product, and then eventually moved into a role as the SVP of content strategy and innovation, where I really got to dig into analytics and data and think about how do we use the signals—the many, many signals that we get from this audience—to make the best possible work that we can? Things that allow us to grow as a business and be as strategic as possible without ever … sacrificing the quality of the work, and of the brand. And that was really fun. And I probably could’ve stayed there forever because, you know, you stay somewhere for six years in publishing years that feels like three or four lifetimes. I ultimately ended up leaving to take the job that I’m in now at Girlboss because it felt like a big adventure. I met Sophia, the founder of Girlboss, she wrote the book Girlboss in 2014, probably last January, and she and I met over drinks at the hotel she was staying at, and she really talked to me about her vision for what we could build here. We wanted to make less content but really go deep with it and have a lot of purpose and just really add value to this woman’s life. And I got so excited about that. I sort of couldn’t stop thinking about it, which I think is always a good sign when you’re thinking about a new job or making a move. [20:00] NG [Continued] So we had that conversation for a few months and then I finally, officially, accepted in April and I started here in July and we’ve just been sort of … head down trying to get this thing off the ground, and really delivering the promise of what Girlboss can be. SWB So one of the things that really came out as you were sort of going through that story and that trajectory was this sort of shift in thinking that happened along the way, at some point, which is like from this idea of online publishing being somehow like sort of the second-rate piece of it to being something that was really fascinating to you. And I’m curious, like, how did that shift happen for you or what made that shift happen for you, where you saw sort of a big potential for your career to be doing something interesting that was online focused and like online explicitly? NG I think some of that started when I was at Seventeen, partially because the internet changed and because publishing changed, and editors-in-chief and publishers were much more willing to sort of, you know, start thinking about the internet not as a thing that’s going to cannibalize your newsstand sales but as a thing where you can talk to your audience, and you can tell meaningful stories, and you can potentially even make money. That sounds so ridiculous saying that out loud right now but that was really a concern. That was the concern for most magazine publishers in the early 2000s. You know, “That’s never going to be a place where we make money, the internet. So we want to protect all of our hard work from sort of just being given away for free over there.” But that thinking started to shift and at Seventeen I really saw the power of that and especially talking to a teenage audience, you want to be on the internet. You want to be there with them on their social platforms, you want to be tweeting at them, and that was where we got to do really fun programs like I would, you know, live tweet “Glee,” and “Pretty Little Liars,” and all the shows that teenagers were watching then, and then I would take the tweets that our audience was um sharing back, and I would create more storytelling out of it. And that was so much fun, and that felt like what storytelling on the internet could be, suddenly I saw the power of that in a whole new way. So I really credit Seventeen and the editor in chief at the time, Ann Shoket, as well as Julie Hochheiser, who was overseeing the website when I started there because these are people who really were able to understand what could the internet be for this audience, and how do we really maximize its potential? So that was really fun but there was also a part of it that was … it was easier to get a more senior job if you make a shift to the internet. And I don’t know that that’s true today because the business models have changed so much and I think, you know, publishing is a tough place to be these days. But in 2010 I knew like in a very sort of like cut and dry way that if I wanted that deputy editor title, I was going to get it much faster moving to a place that was a startup like Refinery that was internet only, rather than waiting to get there at a print magazine. [23:09] KL So there’s probably not a lot that’s like quote/unquote “typical” about, you know, your day to day but can you—can you just tell us a little bit about what, you know, what you might do in a typical day? NG It’s so fun working at a startup at this stage because what that is changes everyday, and what I try to do for myself is um we have a weekly team stand up, 10am on Mondays, where everyone goes through and says their one priority for the week, and I think at a startup at this stage that’s really hard, and at first we got some pushback that was like, “I can’t pick just one thing. I have a hundred things on my list. Like I could [chuckles] no sooner, you know, choose a star in the heavens.” But that has shifted a little bit and having that meeting has really forced people to prioritize and say, “Ok, it’s Monday today, and what’s the one thing that I need to do in order to feel like I’ve really accomplished something meaningful by Friday?” So that’s how we really think about our time here. So every week is probably different but we set that priority on Monday for each of us and, you know, right now my priority is really thinking about the Girl Boss rally which is coming up on April 28th and we actually moments ago just sold out of our last ticket. So um I’m really excited. We’re going to have a full house and just amazing speakers but that’s really where I’m laser focused right now. So I have meetings with the team. I do a one-on-one for an hour every week with each of my direct reports, and I have an incredible art director, an incredible editorial director, an incredible head of audience, and then an editorial assistant who report to me, and I’ll have their own direct reports, as well as I always do a team meeting with all of those three team leads, and then make sure that I have time with my partner on the revenue side, Alison Wyatt, who’s our incredible CRO and president, to connect probably twice a week. So those are the standing things that happen every week and then I really try to think about how can I make sure that the rest of what I’m doing this week is less about checking things off my to-do list and like dealing with small stuff, obviously important stuff comes up all the time, but it’s less about sort of that like tactical like just check mark work and more about driving toward that priority that I set at the beginning of the week. And I think that that sets me up to be much more successful. KL Yeah, absolutely. And I think, you know, we all occasionally have bad days. If you are ever having a bad day, is—what’s something that you do to kind of work like work through that and get back on track? [25:39] NG I have been forcing myself, and this is the advice I give to everyone on my team as well: if you’re having a bad day, if you’re feeling frustrated, and especially if that frustration is about to manifest itself as a snippy email, or as like some form of written communication that maybe you’re not going to feel great about later, take a step back. Like actually physically stand up, take three deep breaths, and if you still feel that way, like you’re just unsettled, or you don’t have an answer, get up, leave the office right now and we work here in Silver Lake at this beautiful space at Sunset Junction. We have like this like—I don’t know, I just moved to California six months ago so I’m still blown away by the natural beauty of everything here. But we have this beautiful space and a basketball court, and I’m like, take advantage of that, right? And I try to do this myself: stand up, go for a walk outside for at least five minutes, but that really does help me because I think that mental reset of like: stand up, go outside, see the sun shining, get some fresh air, and like just like clear your mind for a second. Like that really helps because I think a lot of those like mental tricks, like I need the like physical trick to trigger a reset for me. SWB [Chuckles] I was just thinking about how, like, one of the ways that I know that I need to take a moment [KL laughs] is I can hear myself like kind of angry typing. So if I’m writing an email [laughter] and it’s like CLACK, CLACK, CLACK, CLACK, CLACK really aggressively, I’m like, “Hmm, I’m going to take a moment on that one.” But I was just, you know, I was just talking with a friend like in one of our many backchannel conversations where she was trying to like write back a reply to somebody. Some guy had like, you know, kind of sent her a really passive aggressive email and she’s like, “How do I respond to this and make him know blah blah blah?” I’m like, “What are you trying to get out of that interaction?” And just taking that moment and thinking like, “What am I trying to get out of sending this angry email? Am I just wanting to like tell this person that I think they’re an idiot? Is that actually going to be productive for anybody? Is anybody going to get anything out of that? Or, you know, am I trying to resolve a situation? Like could I just not reply to them ever? Like what are my options here?” And I think that like it kind of helps me at least get out of my feelings a little bit and um breathe and—and then think long and hard about whether I actually want to send that response or whatever it is that’s giving me a tough time. NG That’s so right. I feel like so often in those moments where you’ve gotten some kind of communication over whatever medium that has like triggered that like rising heart rate reaction, it’s so often it’s about, like, I just need to write back or I need to say something in order to feel like I won this conversation. Like, “You have said something wrong, and you have to know it.” But it’s like, actually, you don’t. And we’re all adults and we’re, you know, senior in our careers at this point and like we should be setting different kinds of examples. But it’s so much easier said than done. KL Yeah. It totally is. So we talk about ambition a lot on the show and sometimes we hear sentiments like, “Does this even apply to me?” Or “I don’t see myself as a quote/unquote “successful” person.” We read an interview where you mentioned something similar for Girlboss that defining a girlboss as someone who “gives herself permission to define success on her terms and change that definition whenever she damn well pleases.” We love that. What would you say to that listener who’s not really sure that they, you know, necessarily qualify as ambitious? [29:08] NG Well, first of all I would say: take a step back and, like, how are you defining ambitious? Because I don’t feel ambitious every day. But I do want to make sure that we’re having a conversation about ambition that doesn’t like set it aside as a taboo or demonize it in any way because I think it’s wonderful to be ambitious, and I think there are still sort of social stigmas that come alongside being an ambitious woman, alongside being seen as too aggressive or too difficult or too focused or selfish. And I think that like I do want to change those conversations and say, first of all, maybe it’s ok to be selfish and put yourself first, and put your career first at times. But also, ambition is not a dirty word. That said, none of us feel ambitious all the time, and none of us have exactly the same idea of what success looks like. So how do we have different conversations and get out of this space where we’re putting ourself in—ourselves in boxes. Where we’re saying, “This is an ambitious person and she looks like this. This is an unambitious person and she looks like this, and I have to be one of these people,” where we should be having much more nuanced conversations about, “This is what good looks like for me right now in my life where I am.” And maybe that is about relentlessly pursuing a career goal, maybe that’s about in my personal life, maybe that’s about caring for a parent, or caring for a partner, or for a child, maybe that is about thinking about my mental health in a different way, and really caring for my body. It’s probably some combination of all of those things but like where you’re pulling each of those levers in different ways like that’s your ultimate definition of success where you are right now. And like how do we create spaces for women to honor that, right? Because I don’t think it’s about giving them permission. You don’t need me to give you permission to do anything. You can do whatever the hell you want to but how do we create a space … and start conversations that remind you of that? KL I love that. I wish you could see how furiously I’m nodding my head [chuckling] along. NG [Laughs] Aw! Thank you. KL I think, you know, one of the things that we’ve talked about on the show and, you know, I think is at the forefront of a lot of our minds is just talking about money because it’s so hard, and for women it’s made to feel shameful. And I think it’s really exciting and heartening to see more conversations happening around pay equity and, you know, salary negotiation, and just learning how to talk about it. What do you feel—like what are Girlboss readers looking for most when it comes to money talk? And like what have you found? [31:58] NG So we try to cover money from every angle, whether that is talking about the basics of how to save, whether that’s talking about how do you actually do the research you need to do to figure out what your quote/unquote “market value” is? How do we have more honest conversations about debt? About things that are really hard? And things that are holding us back? Those sort of deep seeded like dark things that like keep you up night when you think about money because I think money anxiety is very real for so many women and men in this generation and we want to address that. But we also want to talk about things, like, something that I’ve been thinking about a lot lately is just the relationship with money and self doubt, and thinking about … promotions. Like how do you negotiate for a raise? How do you negotiate for a raise when, say, you were offered a promotion but you weren’t offered more money to go with it? I’ve been on both sides of that table, and this is something I write about in my Girlboss email this week that goes out on Thursday, but I’ve been someone who’s had to manage a team and has had to cut budgets and say, “Ok. You can have—I fought for a promotion for you but I can’t get you more money now.” And that’s really tough and I’ve seen different reactions to it but I’ve also been on the other side. I think, you know, when I was younger and, you know, an associate editor, I was definitely at a place where the publishing industry was struggling. We had so many layoffs in 2008. I mean so many industries were struggling at that time. And there was this was sense of like, “You just need to be grateful that you have a job, and don’t ask for more, and maybe you can absorb the job of the person we laid off next to you but you should be appreciative of that.” And that idea of like, “You should be appreciative,” is really tough. I think that that’s something I really struggle with because so often my internal monologue is about gratitude. I don’t want to seem ungrateful for the thing I’ve already been given. So I couldn’t ask for more. I couldn’t counter your perfectly good offer with something that I actually really think I deserve because I don’t want to seem like I’m not already grateful for what I’m being offered. And I think that that’s really tough. There is a place for gratitude in all of our lives, and I think that it fuels us and it makes us better people, but I think when you think about negotiating this fear of seeming ungrateful I think it’s really … troubling. I think it’s something that on a personal level I know holds me back, and I think I see it for many women. How do you have like a really clear, unemotional conversation about what you need and deserve when you’re worried that the reaction you’re going to get is emotional? JL I think it’s so interesting to think about this, you know, idea of grateful—like of being grateful and I can totally relate to a lot of what you were saying. And I think about when I was younger in my career having those same feelings and I think the way it’s leveled out for me is I’ve been more grateful to myself. So I’ve been really grateful about the experiences that I had and I felt more I think confident and grateful for what I can bring as well. So I think that’s helped me with that balance. NG Oh I love that! That’s such a nice way to think of it. JL I was thinking about it as you said it. I was like, “Oh yeah,” I was like, “That,” I—like—hearing you say that it just like resonated so much in me that I realized like I think that’s part of like how I’ve grown over the years and like realizing like a balance between that. [35:33] SWB You know this is something that I think is tough, though for—for a lot of people, particularly women, and particularly sort of earlier in their careers because there’s so much sort of like—there’s so much about our culture that will tell women that they—they kind of like should be grateful for the opportunity to finally get a chance to do something and it encourages them to sort of not necessarily see themselves as somebody who deserves to be there. And sort of like bringing value that is important for the organization. And I think it’s easier, you know, like looking back for me now, being in my thirties and kind of like having, you know, feeling like I’ve done a fair amount that, I can say like, “No, what I do matters. I’m very good at what I do. And I absolutely, you know, want to be paid fairly for it, and feel comfortable advocating for that because of that confidence.” I think it’s hard when you’re—when you’re getting started. And I’m curious, Neha, do you have any—any advice that you give people who are earlier in their careers about sort of like where to find some of that confidence without—without necessarily having as many years to back it up? NG I make a point of, every time I hire someone, I like to put aside a little bit—and I’m giving away my tricks here—but [chuckles] to put aside a little bit of money inside of my budget to give someone room to negotiate because I think it’s really important, especially in entry-level roles, that if someone tries to negotiate they’re not immediately shot down. And even a little bit goes a really long way in that regard but the people who don’t end up negotiating are asking for anything and just end up accepting the offer. I usually go back to them and say, “Hey, let’s talk about this at your six month. But like I had a little bit of money that like I had put aside so that you could negotiate for like a little bit more and you didn’t ask for anything. Like I would encourage you to always ask.” Which maybe is, you know, unorthodox advice for a hiring manager, but I do think it’s important because talking and dealing in specifics in real scenarios is what really lets us think about how you would do something differently and how you can improve. SWB I feel so conflicted about that because on the one hand I’m like, “Yeah! Learn to negotiate! Like it’s a really helpful skill. It is a skill that, you know, I think women, in particularly, aren’t—aren’t really taught as much about. And then on the other hand a part of me is also like … it’s—it’s true that women are not necessarily, at least in a lot of environments, they’re not taken the same way as men when they do try to negotiate or when they do, you know like, if women go into work environments and behave in the way that would be totally acceptable for a man to behave, they are not necessarily treated in the same way. And so I always worry about sort of like setting the expectation that we should be teaching women to do at work is the same thing that has worked for men. And so I always feel a little bit like, “Huh, what if work were just more transparent? Like what if we—we were coming to that conversation differently altogether?” [38:40] NG You should leverage the traits that are yours, but what I’m talking about here in terms of like negotiating, like, we’re not at a place yet where we have true transparency in terms of what we pay people. And we do know that there is a gap in terms of wages that is largely, not entirely, but like significantly contributed to by the fact that women are less likely to negotiate especially as they move further up the ranks. So what I’m trying to do is give advice based on what has worked for me in the industry that I’m in, and I think that there are other industries where it is much harder to ask for more, and where it’s, you know, even commonplace for there to be some level of retribution if you negotiate. And I think that that’s very different. But I think I can comfortably say if you work in media and you’re seeing retribution for negotiating, that’s a real red flag. Not—most organizations in this industry are not like that and so if you’re coming up against someone who is going to behave that way, that’s a red flag for other bad behaviors that are going to be coming down the pike. SWB I love that because I think we talk about that a lot on the show that like how somebody treats you in an initial interaction should tell you a lot about what you can expect in the future and if what they’re doing is a red flag up front then, like, maybe you don’t want to be there at all. NG Yeah. KL I like—when I think about, you know, just the conversations around money and managing it, and—and just everything that you’ve been talking about, that—to me that is a—a very small part of what I consider my mental load, and sort of something that I carry around that I think is, you know, we talk about all these areas and it’s like I think as women we sort of, at a baseline, carry a much heavier load, and I—I would love for you to talk a little bit about that because I know that you touch on the idea of mental load and kind of just how we manage that. I mean, how do you manage it? And how do you feel like a good, productive conversation can happen around that? NG I think I will preface this by saying I don’t have any of the answers but this is something that I think about so often, it’s something that me and my closest friends talk about all the time, and many of them have kids so I think that the conversation about emotional labor and about mental load becomes much more exacerbated when there is the care of another human being happening. But I—I think about it—I mean I actually think part of mental load is how much time I spend thinking about mental load so, I don’t know, say what you will about that but like [all laugh] … you know I am so I’m married, I’ve been married for a couple of years now to someone who I really see as a true partner. It’s someone who, you know, when I was offered this job in LA, said, “Yeah, let’s take the leap. I’m going to work remotely at my job and we’re going to make this move across the country to support your career,” and I think that that’s partnership, and I recognize that there are going to be moments where we make choices to prioritize in my career, as well as other moments where we make choices to prioritize his career and I think that that’s exactly right for me, and I hope for more women. But … I think I still worry about like what—like what’s really—what’s equal? When you think about like introducing like the care of a child into a marriage, into a home, when both parties are working? Because I think that some of this is personality based, some of this how we’re socially conditioned, and some of this is what society like expects from us, right? But I am the project manager of our lives and I think that’s not to say that my husband doesn’t contribute often but, you know, I am the one who loves making lists and loves, you know, if you’re going on vacation you book the hotels, you do the pieces that like allow you to feel like real structure around the experience and that’s, again, it’s not a ding, right? Because like we could have a great vacation that had probably a little bit less structure to it and still be really happy but if that’s my default state how are we ever going to live in a place where I’m not the one who’s always doing that? And taking up just a larger part of like what is required to keep a home and a family in order while also, you know, I had big ambitions about my career, and about sort of how I want to continue to grow from here, about the things I want to accomplish, and that … feels terrifying to me, truthfully. Like thinking about how to really balance what my ambitions are in a professional sense with what I think good could look like at home and this feels like such a … old conversation. Where like I feel like we haven’t made that much progress in a lot of ways. And, you know, in some ways we’ve made a lot of progress but in other ways I don’t—I don’t know what the solutions are here but it’s something I think about all the time and it’s something that my husband and I talk about a lot pretty openly and I think that that’s part of the solution, right? How do you have really honest conversations about the things that … scare you? [43:58] SWB Ugh! I love that! KL I know [crosstalk and laughter] — JL This is so real [laughs]. I like can’t—[laughing] I like can’t even. I’m just I am currently—and it’s funny—the reason I was able to make it today is because we have a snow day here and my husband is currently watching our one-year-old son downstairs so I could be on this podcast [chuckles]. So I’m just like, I’m like yessing everything that you said and just like wow! [NG chuckles] I’m like —yes! [Chuckles] One hundred percent! You are speaking exactly what I have thought so many times. So thank you for articulating that so well. SWB I mean like literally the three of us on the podcast on our, like, sort of private backchannel Slack, right, we’re talking about podcast stuff. We just had a long conversation about this very topic, of sort of like being the project manager in our relationships. And we all have partners who are … partners. They’re real partners. And like I made a joke, they’re not like … guys who come home from work, sit on the couch, and like wait for you to have dinner on the table. Like they’re very much active participants in—in all of these different parts of life, but at the same time it is one of those things where you look at it and you go, like, “Oh yeah, who makes all of the hotel reservations?” Or who’s the one who figured out like, you know, what the dentist appointment schedule was or whatever those kinds of things are. And I think—I think you’re right. It’s like that—it’s like that figuring out, like, how do you balance those things? And how do you talk about about them? And how do, you know, hopefully over time shift them in ways that feel good for everybody involved? And not feel like, you know, it’s this constant source of tension. [45:32] JL Well I think it’s being honest too. So I think it’s really important, you know, as you were describing to know that that’s sort of how you manage your life, or those are the things that are in it, and I think if you know that then at least you can have an honest [KL yeah] conversation about it. NG That’s so true and it’s so hard. It’s I mean even in like great relationships where there’s open communication and trust like it’s hard to say the things that really scare you. KL It totally is. [chuckles] It really is. So [sighs] when we talk about this it—it really makes me think about, you know, learning to ask for help and we talk about asking for help and just kind of being ok with that. Who do you ask for help? NG I ask so many people for help. I think first and foremost I ask Sophia, our CEO here, for help when I feel uncertain about how to solve for something, or how to like I think it’s such a fun thing to be at the startup scrappy stage of, you know, we started out with ten people when I got here, maybe even eight, and now we’re 17 people and we’ve, you know, we’ve more than doubled and that’s so exciting and then I have amazing friends, and I think there is something so special about having community that I’m really sort of acutely aware of right now because when you move across the country you really see—most of my community is in New York still. The women that I talk to all the time now it’s on a text thread rather than over a meal or over breakfast or coffee or a drink. Or at least not as often. But I think having just even like that text thread of—I have a circle of friends who we just sort of like free and direct discourse just like spill all of our updates and our questions and our rants. And that’s amazing. And that’s a place where I feel I can turn for help. And I have another circle of friends where it’s something similar, but we do like a Friday text thread of like a rosebud and thorn, you know? Something that like you—you’re really excited about as well as something that’s like blossoming and something that’s hard. And that structure is really nice and it feels a little silly to say it out loud that my friends and I communicate in this way but when, you know, life priorities and distance separate you, it’s so nice to know that you’re just sort of staying close to people, and able to find a framework in which you can talk about like the really real stuff. KL Oh my god. SWB The rosebud and the thorn is something that— JL I love that! SWB Like I’ll be thinking about that [NG laughs] for awhile— KL That’s so great. JL That’s so great! [48:02] SWB So, Neha, before we wrap up, is there anything happening at Girlboss that you really want our listeners to know about? NG The most important, exciting thing that we have upcoming is the Girlboss Rally in LA on April 28th. We are—we unfortunately just sold out of tickets today but you can go to girlbossrally.com and you can get digital access, you can get all of the video, and see all of these amazing speakers from Bozoma St. John to Gwyneth Paltrow to Janet Mock to Paola Mendoza to Sarah Sophie Flicker to Jen Gotch, just like really incredible women that I’m so excited to gather together, to really pick their brains and get inspiration, but also follow that inspiration up with real, actionable advice so that we can all learn something from people who have done incredible things. SWB Well, thank you so much for being on the show today. NG Thank you for having me— KL Yeah, thank you. NG This was really fun [music fades in, fades out]. JL So for new listeners, joining us on Season 2, something that we love to do at the end of the show is end with our Fuck Yeah of the Week, which is where we look at something that makes us say, “Hey, fuck yeah!” Hey, Sara, what’s this week’s Fuck Yeah? SWB This week we are saying, “Fuck yeah,” to building more inclusive language into our vocabularies. So, so often when we were recording the podcast during our first season, we would just be chatting along, and suddenly, you know, I might say something like, “Hey, guys!” And one of the things we talked about was how “guys” can feel alienating to people who, you know, aren’t guys. And it’s such a common thing that is said—I mean it’s said so often in all kinds of contexts, and some people don’t mind it, some women don’t mind it, some really do. And what we decided is like for our podcast because we want to make sure people feel welcome listening to it that we just cut that stuff out. And that’s a hard habit to break. JL It’s so hard! We all say it quite often. I say, “Hey guys,” a bunch and it’s also hard to be like, “Hey, do you know you just said ‘hey guys’?” to your friend because you don’t want to constantly correct someone, either. But because we’re all working on this, it’s something that, you know, we—we’ve tried to get more comfortable being like, “Oh! You just said that.” And I think it’s really helpful to do that, especially in a place where, you know, I trust both of you and I know that you know when I say things I don’t—I’m never trying to be noninclusive. And so something one day we were recording and I was saying something, I think I was explaining a Fuck Yeah, and I said, “Yeah, I’m going to go tab-crazy about this.” And I kept talking and talking and then I hear Sara sort of breathe and she’s like, “Hey, Jenn?” And I was like, “Oh no!” And, you know, she had brought up that I had said crazy and—and crazy can also be one of those words that I’m trying to move away from. And I hadn’t really thought too much about that and I think, again, because it’s something that’s so in my vocabulary right now. I’m crazy about that! But, you know, there’s plenty of times where, you know, I’ve used “crazy” to describe things and I was like, “Oh, why would I not say that?” was my initial reaction. And I think I got a little bit defensive at first. I didn’t say that, but just inside I felt like, “Oh no, you know, like why wouldn’t I say this?” And then Sara suggested instead using “tab wild.” And the thing about it was “wild” is such a more exciting word than crazy that this vocab swap was like super awesome! I was like, “Oh yeah, wild! Let’s go wild!” Like you know, like I wouldn’t want to be like, [sings] “Let’s go wild! Let’s get nuts.” But [laughs] you know swapping wild for crazy just sounded so much better, so it’s where I began to be more open to the idea, if switching things in my vocabulary means that, you know, the world is my oyster. [51:41] KL Yeah. I think it’s like—it’s just that—it’s figuring out what—what do you actually mean and is there a really good word that you can use instead that’s not ableist or that is more inclusive? And I think just being able to pay attention to that and, like you said, Jenn, feeling like we’re in a group of people that we know we can practice this more is so important and there’s nothing quite like hearing yourself recorded over and over again [laughter] to realize that it’s something you need to be more aware of, and pay attention to, and I love that we’re doing this. SWB I mean it becomes like a default filler word, sometimes, you know? KL Absolutely. SWB And I think like for me I remember a few years ago when I was editing a magazine I was really uncomfortable with like the singular “they.” Like saying, “they” as a singular person instead of “he” or “she,” and I just didn’t like it. I didn’t like it. And I can understand feeling that way about pretty much any kind of language change, because it feels uncomfortable at first like, nobody likes change, everybody likes things how they are, right? [Laughing] Honestly, that’s—that’s—people are creatures of habit. So if you have a habit to say things a certain way or see things a certain way, at first you can bristle. And it took me longer than I want to admit to get comfortable with the singular “they.” By the time we had Stevie on last season, who is non-binary and uses “they” as their pronoun, I was on board for sure [mm hmm] but just hearing them talk about it too reminded me like, “Oh yeah, like this really matters for people.” And if it matters for people, then it matters for me on the show. I want to model that behavior out to the world. [53:19] JL And as you mentioned, I mean we are lucky, we have editing, we can look through this. I would, you know, I would never step someone in a large group or crowd and be like, “Hey, actually! You just said this.” But I think it’s, you know, pulling someone maybe aside after. If I notice someone at work is saying something a lot then maybe I want to be like, “Oh, just so you know,” or you know I’m in a Slack group for design systems and they have one of the automatic things that if someone writes “Hey guys” it’ll have a Slack message popup that says, “We use inclusive language language here. How about something like ’Hey, folks?’” And I like something like that because the message is written really friendly and it’s not like pointing out anyone’s wrongdoings, it’s just, “Oh here’s something you probably didn’t consider. Let’s all start considering this more.” SWB And I think it also it also all depends on context, situation, language, the severity of something, like I think there are definitely times where in a group setting if somebody says something egregious [KL yeah] it might be important to call them out publicly because it might be important to publicly state, “This is not acceptable here.” [Mm hmm] And other times it’s like there’s a slip and they just need a quiet nudge and—and I think it really depends. But I think when it comes to doing, you know, if you’re going to put a podcast out into the world, and if you’re going to say like, “Yeah, this is a feminist podcast,” then like fuckin’ live it. So we have to make sure that we’re really thinking about that carefully and—and, you know, continuing to get better, and I definitely think of this as something that like we have not fixed. It’s a thing that we are aware of, and working on, and like figuring out … what else is out there? Like what other stuff is out there that we haven’t realized yet, you know, could be alienating some people and what are we going to do about it? KL Yeah, so that’s we’re really excited because we thought we would add a new segment to the show, and we’re calling it Vocab Swap. So we’re going to keep tabs on how we’re sort of doing with this over the season, and we’re going to look for new ways um to learn how we can just expand our inclusive, and just practice it a lot more, and find new ways to—to do that. SWB Yeah! So I think for our very first Vocab Swaps we’re really talking about “guys” and “crazy” and taking note when those words are coming out of our mouths and thinking about why we’re using them, and whether they are appropriate, and who they might be hurting. KL And that’s it for this week’s episode of No, You Go, the show about being ambitious—and sticking together. NYG is recorded in our home city of Philadelphia and produced by Steph Colbourn. Our theme music is by The Diaphone. Thanks to Neha Gandhi for being our guest today. If you like what you’ve been hearing, please make sure to subscribe and rate us wherever you listen to your podcasts. Your support helps us spread the word. And don’t miss our new biweekly newsletter, “I Love That”! Head to noyougoshow.com/ilovethat to sign up. See you all next week! [Music fades in, plays for 30 seconds, fades out to end.]

The whole point is fun! Jen Gotch is a creative powerhouse who brakes for yard sales and unicorns. she founded ban.dō with a friend in 2008, and with no prior business experience, was able to transform it from a small, vintage, one-of-a-kind hair accessories company into a multimillion dollar brand.We tracked Jen down after watching her on her (wildly popular) instagram gush about how Bulletproof has changed her brain for the better. Dave and Jen go into how starting ban.dō with a great group of other entrepreneurs was a little like the "Oregon Trail" computer game. And how a male model in Hawaii got her hooked on Bulletproof Coffee. Plus, a rating scale on mental health you may find useful in your own life. Enjoy the show!

The whole point is fun! Jen Gotch is a creative powerhouse who brakes for yard sales and unicorns. she founded ban.dō with a friend in 2008, and with no prior business experience, was able to transform it from a small, vintage, one-of-a-kind hair accessories company into a multimillion dollar brand.We tracked Jen down after watching her on her (wildly popular) instagram gush about how Bulletproof has changed her brain for the better. Dave and Jen go into how starting ban.dō with a great group of other entrepreneurs was a little like the "Oregon Trail" computer game. And how a male model in Hawaii got her hooked on Bulletproof Coffee. Plus, a rating scale on mental health you may find useful in your own life. Enjoy the show!

In "Wild Boars and Weed," Stella and Moonbeam are chatting about sleep. We go through our sleeping journeys, how our sleep patterns change with our moods and mental wellness, and how our sleep affects our mental health. Farts are involved. A few people we mention in this episode: *Jen Gotch is on Instagram talking about mental health here: https://www.instagram.com/jengotch/ *Her company is Bando: https://www.bando.com/ *The sleep podcast is Sleep with Me | The Podcast That Puts You To Sleep: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/sleep-with-me-the-podcast-that-puts-you-to-sleep/id740675898?mt=2 *Our theme music is by David Bowick, available on Spotify, iTunes, and online: https://www.davidbowick.com/ Let's be social media friends! We are @stellaandbeam on Instagram and Twitter. Friends, leave us a rating and review on iTunes and share with your friends who may benefit and enjoy. Thanks!

When you are growing a business, it's tempting to allow yourself to get pulled into the million little things that demand your time. However, there is something that your business needs from you that only you can do, and you're the only one who knows what it is. On today's episode, Jen Gotch (co-founder of Bando), shares her thoughts about social media, growing a business, leading creative teams, and how to keep yourself inspired and focused when your business is too big to be small, and too small to be big.  == Thanks to RXBAR for supporting The Accidental Creative. Get 25% off your first order at RXbar.com/ac promo code ac. The intro music for the AC podcast is by Joshua Seurkamp. Remix is by DJ Z-Trip.

The Peppers begin to realize that one of them is a party animal and the other one usually tries to sneak out early with an Irish Goodbye. Jessie tries to explain her fitness-overdose to Gerard, but she ends up feeling both physically and emotionally tender. (So, of course this means we're talking about it.) Ps. - Want to come on vacation with us? We’re headed to Mexico with some of our favorite listeners, and you can find all the info at greatlovegetaway.com! QUICK BITES: Gerard brings up a new social trend that he’s noticed lately, and Jessie defends herself against an accusation of ghosting.Jessie tried to make a case for skipping Gerard’s company Christmas party this year, but the allure of getting dressed up got her out of the house.Our annual 12-hour party is right around the corner and you can hear about the backstory of all things epiphany back in Episode 21.Some couples have a safe word in the bedroom, but we are instituting a safe word for various preferences within social settings.Tone it Up is the at-home workout program that has whipped Jessie’s butt into shape over the past several months.The Peppers recently purged their closets (episode 65) and had somewhat surprisingly different reactions to trying on all of their clothes. Gerard has a hard time understanding Jessie’s deep seated body insecurities. We talked about bikinis back in episode 7, but Jessie still puts a lot of stock in how Gerard sees her outward appearance.The Pepper Dress that Jessie launched earlier this year was born from the desire to wear something that makes her feel beautiful despite the bloat.Letting your most shameful bits show can bring a ton of healing if it’s done correctly. A particular instagram post by Jen Gotch provided a ton of inspiration for Jessie this week.Jessie is sick of standing in front of the mirror alone, so she’s starting a new podcast instead of a support group. Stay tuned here. Jessie’s chronic pain (episode 33) can be confusing when it comes to feeling healthy vs. looking healthy, but she's trying to be better about discerning between the two.

Happy Holidays friends!  Oh boy, this episode with Jen Gotch was one of my favorites and I’m excited to reshare it with you.  Not only is Jen an inspirational business woman, but she’s honest, open and real with sharing both her successes and her failures.  This episode is a great reminder that we all start in the same place -- the beginning.  Enjoy the show! -------------- Jen Gotch is the chief creative officer and fearless leader of Ban.do.  Jen founded the company in 2008 with no prior business experience and was able to transform it from a small, vintage, one-of-a-kind hair accessory company into a million dollar brand within years.  I had the pleasure of working with Jen when she was a speaker at our Tradeshow Bootcamp Business Camp conference. She not only offers a wealth of information, but she’s passionate about helping creative entrepreneurs succeed.  On today’s episode, we’re talking about how Ban.do evolved into the lifestyle brand it is today, why having a strong brand is the best thing you can do for your business and the importance of making time for self-reflection no matter how many years you’ve been in business.   ON TODAY’S EPISODE: The evolution of Ban.do Selling to Lifeguard Press and how this enabled further growth Hard lessons Jen has learned in business Why having a strong brand is important and affects other aspects of business How and why Jen gives back to other entrepreneurs The importance of focusing on top level projects as the founder of your business Advice for entrepreneurs What’s upcoming for Ban.do KEY TAKE-AWAYS:   “I’m a problem solver by nature. I walk towards them, not away from them. But I have no business walking towards half the problems I do.” - Jen Gotch   “Sheer will will not allow me to do it all and be great at everything.“ - Jen Gotch   “Being able to have a voice that stands outside of the product makes it easier for people to attach to your business and makes it easier for your business to pivot“ - Jen Gotch   “People have questions that are different than the questions they used to have.  They hold companies and brands accountable for things they never had to be accountable before.  It’s a very interesting time to be in business.”- Jen Gotch   “Retailers were wanting newness more often.” - Jen Gotch   “It is really easy to focus on medium level shit, because those things tend to have a beginning, middle and end and we can check it off our list. Hold yourself accountable to not get into the minutia” - Jen Gotch on focusing on high level shit   “The faster you can figure out where you add the most value and what you should be doing and what someone else should be doing, you’ll grow and scale” - Jen Gotch.   MEET JEN: Jen Gotch is a creative powerhouse who brakes for yard sales and unicorns. She founded ban.do with a friend in 2008, and with no prior business experience, was able to transform it from a small, vintage, one-of-a-kind hair accessories company into a multimillion dollar brand within years. After a long (and winding) road of jobs that led her to where she is today, she’s now the chief creative officer and fearless leader of the ban.do team. She’s passionate about continuing to grow ban.do while sharing the experience with her many Instagram followers (and anyone else who’s interested), because she wholeheartedly believes that you don’t get anywhere in life without the help and kindness of others.   CONNECT WITH JEN & BAN.DO: Website: https://www.bando.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/shopbando Ban.do’s Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/shopbando/ Jen’s Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/jengotch Pinterest: https://www.pinterest.com/shopbando/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/shopbando   JOIN THE TSBC FAMILY: Need help streamlining your business operations?  Are you feeling a bit stuck in your business? Maybe you're worried about things like marketing, technology, or hiring a team. If so, you are not alone, and we've got a course for you. The Business Camp e-course includes lessons from Tara Gentile, Jen Gotch of Ban.do, Chelsea of Sugar Paper, as well as experts in public relations, websites, email marketing, and much, much more. This course includes eight hours of video content, and a 30 page workbook. You will finish this course feeling confident, energized, and armed with concrete information to help you refine your business systems. Plus the on-demand format lets you jump around to topics that are most relevant to you when you need them most As you guys know by now, I'm a firm believer in working smarter, not harder, and this course is gonna help you streamline your business, whether you're product-based, or service-based business. Head over to tsbcvizcamp.com. That's TSBCbizcamp.com for more information. And for a limited time, our proof to product listeners will receive $50 off with promo code prooftoproduct.   ABOUT PROOF TO PRODUCT: Proof to Product is brought to you by Tradeshow Bootcamp and hosted by Katie Hunt. Since 2011, TSBC has worked with hundreds of product based businesses to help them up level, scale, and build profitable sustainable companies. You can find our show notes and additional resources at ProofToProduct.com. If you like what you heard today, please head over to Apple Podcast to leave a five star review and subscribe. Thanks so much for listening. We'll be back next week with a new episode.

Jen Gotch is a creative entrepreneur who cares about color and quirk. She founded ban.do with a friend in 2008, and transformed it from a small, vintage, one-of-a-kind hair accessories company into a multimillion dollar brand. After selling ban.do, Jen has remained on as the chief creative officer and fearless leader of the ban.do team, and has also become an important activist in the realm of mental health. Jen shares about her own mental illness, depression, divorce, and more of her genuine life experiences on her personal social media channel, and leaves almost no topic untouched. She was my most requested guest from all of you, and so I loved getting to have her over to my place to talk about something she’s never discussed on her online platform… her choice to not have kids.   LINKS: Jen Gotch Ban.do   Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com  

Part two: after discussing the choice to not have children, Caroline asks Jen Gotch a series of questions about her social media history and what her current practices are like. LINK: Jen Gotch Ban.do  Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Jen Gotch is a creative powerhouse who loves yard sales and unicorns. After a long (and winding) journey trying her hand at a slew of not-so-great jobs that led her to where she is today, she’s now the chief creative officer and fearless leader of ban.do. On today’s episode, Jen talks about tapping into her creative power and finding the strength push through her bad days. 

Jen Gotch is a creative powerhouse who loves yard sales and unicorns. After a long (and winding) journey trying her hand at a slew of not-so-great jobs that led her to where she is today, she's now the chief creative officer and fearless leader of ban.do. On today's episode, Jen talks about tapping into her creative power and finding the strength push through her bad days. 

Bando, the e-commerce site selling kitschy office supplies and accessories designed for the Instagram generation, has struck a balance between mass and niche. The brand's strong, mostly pink aesthetic, cult-like customer following and best-selling items — like agendas that say things like “I Am Very Busy” — have become its biggest signifiers, and the brand has grown to around 50 employees after a near-shutter in 2012. Instead of closing, it sold to licensing company Lifeguard Press, and grew a network of wholesale partners that included Anthropologie, Nordstrom and Macy's. Those mass retail partners sell its agendas and other everyday items like tumblers and notebooks to a wide audience. That pays the bills. Bando's online store, then, is an opportunity for co-founder and creative director Jen Gotch to experiment with her more wild design side, even if the results don't sell as much. Gotch joined the Glossy Podcast to share how she grew a side business selling hair accessories into Bando, which has expanded to bags, accessories, art supplies and clothing.

Ban.do is a lifestyle brand geared toward fun. That takes shape in the form of cheeky graphic tees, colorful planners and flashy sunglasses, born from the creative mind of Jen Gotch, the Chief Creative Officer of Ban.do. Often, Jen's voice is synonymous with Ban.do's, but she's built an incredible list of her own 167k Instagram followers. On her feed and Instagram stories, she holds nothing back. She's extremely open about her obsessions, crushes, and deep dark late night thoughts. Even in the business of disco balls and glitter, being successful in business (and in life) requires some brutal real talk. On this episode, Jen talks about her fearless approach to social sharing, the relentless pursuit of an audience, the crazy growth of the Ban.do, and Jen's big ideas about the future of what the brand can be. To see photos and get links from this episode, go to the Lumi blog

TSBC Alum, Heather Harris has been designing day planners and desk products since 2004 for clients including  momAgenda, Barney’s, Brooks Brothers, and Tiffany & Co. In 2015, she branched out on her own to start Copper Bottom Design Co. where she and her team help product based businesses with design, proofreading and overseas production.  On today’s episode, we’re talking how to know if you’re ready for overseas manufacturing, common errors people make when creating day planners and how her past experiences and skills have led her to create a thriving, enriching business for herself.   ON TODAY’S EPISODE: Heather’s rich background in the industry & what led her to starting Copper Bottom Design. Manufacturing overseas & what the process looks like. How she helps product makers manufacture overseas. Fears surrounding manufacturing overseas. Benchmarks or metrics to determine if manufacturing overseas is right for you. Common mistakes she sees when people create day planners. What’s upcoming for Copper Bottom Design Co. KEY TAKE-AWAYS:   “There are strategic reasons for choosing overseas manufacturing”  Heather Harris   “When I went out on my own it was lonely.  Then I met the Paper Camp community and I craved a team again.” - Heather Harris   “Manufacturing overseas is just like getting ready to hire an employee. You're at a certain point where you've grown so much that you can't handle it anymore, and you're looking to outsource.” - Heather Harris   Ask for samples.  You can’t create a product without seeing it. - Heather Harris   RESOURCES: Ultimate Holiday Guide E-Book   MEET HEATHER: An avid organizer, list maker, and devoted print girl, Heather has been designing day planners and desk products since 2004. She arrived at the world of fine stationery by way of Graphic Image, where she learned the ropes designing planners internally and for clients like Barney‰Ûªs, Brooks Brothers, and Tiffany & Co. Her love of high-end paper products is a near obsession, shaped by how a carefully crafted design becomes a beautiful, functional part of our daily lives. Her time as Director of Creative Services at momAgenda further expanded this passion to product development; aside from leading all design, she spent years managing the editorial process and overseas production.   In 2015, Heather decided to expand her client base and founded Copper Bottom Design Co., where she and her team take the helm of design, proofreading, and overseas production for growing stationery companies.   CONNECT WITH HEATHER: Website: http://www.copperbottomdesign.com/ Facebook: @copperbtmdesign Instagram: @copperbtmdesign Pinterest: @copperbtmdesign Twitter: @copperbtmdesign   JOIN THE TSBC FAMILY: Need help streamlining your business operations?  Are you feeling a bit stuck in your business? Maybe you're worried about things like marketing, technology, or hiring a team. If so, you are not alone, and we've got a course for you. The Business Camp e-course includes lessons from Tara Gentile, Jen Gotch of Ban.do, Chelsea of Sugar Paper, as well as experts in public relations, websites, email marketing, and much, much more. This course includes eight hours of video content, and a 30 page workbook. You will finish this course feeling confident, energized, and armed with concrete information to help you refine your business systems. Plus the on-demand format lets you jump around to topics that are most relevant to you when you need them most   As you guys know by now, I'm a firm believer in working smarter, not harder, and this course is gonna help you streamline your business, whether you're product-based, or service-based business. Head over to tsbcvizcamp.com. That's TSBCbizcamp.com for more information. And for a limited time, our proof to product listeners will receive $50 off with promo code prooftoproduct.   ABOUT PROOF TO PRODUCT: Proof to Product is brought to you by Tradeshow Bootcamp and hosted by Katie Hunt. Since 2011, TSBC has worked with hundreds of product based businesses to help them up level, scale, and build profitable sustainable companies. You can find our show notes and additional resources at ProofToProduct.com. If you like what you heard today, please head over to Apple Podcast to leave a five star review and subscribe. Thanks so much for listening. We'll be back next week with a new episode.

Jen Gotch is the chief creative officer and fearless leader of Ban.do.  Jen founded the company in 2008 with no prior business experience and was able to transform it from a small, vintage, one-of-a-kind hair accessory company into a million dollar brand within years.  I had the pleasure of working with Jen when she was a speaker at our Tradeshow Bootcamp Business Camp conference. She not only offers a wealth of information, but she’s passionate about helping creative entrepreneurs succeed.  On today’s episode, we’re talking about how Ban.do evolved into the lifestyle brand it is today, why having a strong brand is the best thing you can do for your business and the importance of making time for self-reflection no matter how many years you’ve been in business.   ON TODAY’S EPISODE: The evolution of Ban.do Selling to Lifeguard Press and how this enabled further growth Hard lessons Jen has learned in business Why having a strong brand is important and affects other aspects of business How and why Jen gives back to other entrepreneurs The importance of focusing on top level projects as the founder of your business Advice for entrepreneurs What’s upcoming for Ban.do KEY TAKE-AWAYS:   “I’m a problem solver by nature. I walk towards them, not away from them. But I have no business walking towards half the problems I do.” - Jen Gotch   “Sheer will will not allow me to do it all and be great at everything.“ - Jen Gotch   “Being able to have a voice that stands outside of the product makes it easier for people to attach to your business and makes it easier for your business to pivot“ - Jen Gotch   “People have questions that are different than the questions they used to have.  They hold companies and brands accountable for things they never had to be accountable before.  It’s a very interesting time to be in business.”- Jen Gotch   “Retailers were wanting newness more often.” - Jen Gotch   “It is really easy to focus on medium level shit, because those things tend to have a beginning, middle and end and we can check it off our list. Hold yourself accountable to not get into the minutia” - Jen Gotch on focusing on high level shit   “The faster you can figure out where you add the most value and what you should be doing and what someone else should be doing, you’ll grow and scale” - Jen Gotch.   MEET JEN: Jen Gotch is a creative powerhouse who brakes for yard sales and unicorns. She founded ban.do with a friend in 2008, and with no prior business experience, was able to transform it from a small, vintage, one-of-a-kind hair accessories company into a multimillion dollar brand within years. After a long (and winding) road of jobs that led her to where she is today, she’s now the chief creative officer and fearless leader of the ban.do team. She’s passionate about continuing to grow ban.do while sharing the experience with her many Instagram followers (and anyone else who’s interested), because she wholeheartedly believes that you don’t get anywhere in life without the help and kindness of others.   CONNECT WITH JEN & BAN.DO: Website: https://www.bando.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/shopbando Ban.do’s Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/shopbando/ Jen’s Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/jengotch Pinterest: https://www.pinterest.com/shopbando/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/shopbando   JOIN THE TSBC FAMILY: Need help streamlining your business operations?  Are you feeling a bit stuck in your business? Maybe you're worried about things like marketing, technology, or hiring a team. If so, you are not alone, and we've got a course for you. The Business Camp e-course includes lessons from Tara Gentile, Jen Gotch of Ban.do, Chelsea of Sugar Paper, as well as experts in public relations, websites, email marketing, and much, much more. This course includes eight hours of video content, and a 30 page work book. You will finish this course feeling confident, energized, and armed with concrete information to help you refine your business systems. Plus the on-demand format lets you jump around to topics that are most relevant to you when you need them most   As you guys know by now, I'm a firm believer in working smarter, not harder, and this course is gonna help you streamline your business, whether you're product-based, or service-based business. Head over to tsbcvizcamp.com. That's TSBCbizcamp.com for more information. And for a limited time, our proof to product listeners will receive $50 off with promo code prooftoproduct.   ABOUT PROOF TO PRODUCT: Proof to Product is brought to you by Tradeshow Bootcamp and hosted by Katie Hunt. Since 2011, TSBC has worked with hundreds of product based businesses to help them up level, scale, and build profitable sustainable companies. You can find our show notes and additional resources at ProofToProduct.com. If you like what you heard today, please head over to Apple Podcast to leave a five star review and subscribe. Thanks so much for listening. We'll be back next week with a new episode.