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This week's episode of the Empire Podcast sees Chris Hewitt return from a short stint in Norn Iron, accent stronger than ever, for a fun episode in which he, Helen O'Hara, James Dyer, and Amon Warmann play another round of the beloved The Three Fact Structure, talk about their favourite surgery scenes from the movies (spoilers abound, so tread carefully), discuss the week's movie news and, in a bumper reviews section that is the main reason why this week's episode is so darn long, cast their eyes over Censor, People Just Do Nothing: Big In Japan, Pig, Reminiscence, Boss Level, Beckett, and G.I. Joe Origins: Snake Eyes. Blimey! And that's not all, folks. Chris sits down with Asim Chaudhry, aka Chabuddy G from People Just Do Nothing, for a very funny interview including a dissection of the Pina Colada song (you know the one), while Helen has an in-depth chat with Niamh Algar, star of Prano Bailey-Bond's brilliant and mindbending horror, Censor. Enjoy.

Celebrate Our Cinemas is a brand new limited edition podcast series, brought to you by Empire in association with Meerkat Movies from Compare The Market. Each week, Chris Hewitt will sit down with a notable guest from the world of film and dig deep into their cinema-going history. What was the first film they remember seeing? What film made them laugh so hard that tears were streaming down their face? What's their favourite cinema? And, perhaps most important of all, what's their snack of choice? In this week's episode, Chris has a fun chat with Asim Chaudhry, who once again plays the iconic Chabuddy G in People Just Do Nothing: Big In Japan, the big-screen spin-off from the beloved BBC sitcom. Asim tells Chris all about his formative cinematic experiences growing up in Hounslow, the time Paranormal Activity nearly got him in trouble with U.S. Customs, and he talks about the movie he thinks might just be the greatest of all time. Its identity may surprise you. Oh, and do be advised: there's some fairly adult language in this one, and a smidgen of literal toilet humour. Enjoy.

Actor and writer Asim Chaudhry – aka ‘People Just Do Nothing's Chabuddy G – has a table booked this week. And there's a battle of the diet colas.‘People Just Do Nothing: Big In Japan' is released in cinemas on 18th August.Follow Asim Chaudhry on Twitter @AsimC86 and Instagram @asimcRecorded and edited by Ben Williams for Plosive.Artwork by Paul Gilbey (photography and design) and Amy Browne (illustrations).Follow Off Menu on Twitter and Instagram: @offmenuofficial.And go to our website www.offmenupodcast.co.uk for a list of restaurants recommended on the show.Watch Ed and James's YouTube series 'Just Puddings'. Watch here. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

This week Adam is joined by Asim Aslam, the founder of Micro - a new cloud platform entirely focused on the developer experience of consuming and publishing public APIs. Asim's journey spans many years of open source work on Micro. His sole focus right now, is evolving that work into a commercially viable business. This episode is jam-packed with stories of great timing, grit, resilence, success and failure, and, of course, lessons learned.

This week Adam is joined by Asim Aslam, the founder of Micro - a new cloud platform entirely focused on the developer experience of consuming and publishing public APIs. Asim's journey spans many years of open source work on Micro. His sole focus right now, is evolving that work into a commercially viable business. This episode is jam-packed with stories of great timing, grit, resilence, success and failure, and, of course, lessons learned.

It's proper PJDN treats for you this week as we're joined by Hounslow's finest: the multitalented, award-winning wonder child that is Asim Chaudhry!TV recommendations include...Can't Get You Out Of My Head,What Happened To Our Freedom,Bitter Lake,Temptation Island.Please remember to like and subscribe and hit us up on chattinshit1@gmail.com with any questions or comments. You can also follow us on Instagram and Twitch: thechattinshitpodcast See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Clay DRAMA CONTINUES! Could've gone back to DALLAS?! We pick the 5 WORST roster moves of the year! We talk players like Aqua and Skrapz future in the CDL, Pred in talks with CDL teams? Then we talk the Activision lawsuit, Crim vs Huke video, and more! A PACKED episode of the podcast   ◾ Intro - 00:00 ◾ News of the Week - 5:15 || Activision Lawsuit!? OH man. // Stage 5 Viewership // Mutineers sign Yeez & Willet Officially...what is Yeez's future in the CDL? // Aqua, Skrapz futures in the CDL? Retire? Warzone? Challengers? // Pred could be signing with a CDL team next year // MiRx bank account ◾News of the Week (Pt 2) - 27:55 || Clayster Could've been TRADED to EMPIRE?! WHAT?! Asim WEIGHS in on the DRAMA // Owakening vs Slacked vs Mutineers  ◾5 WORST Roster Moves of the CDL YEAR! -  41:13 || ◾ FULL BRACKET PREDICTIONS for CDL Stage 5 Major! -  58:55 || Match by Match Predictions of the whole weekend! ◾ Will Clay Actually Retire?! - Intelligent or Irrelevant - 01:47:13   The Best of 3 CoD Esports Podcasts covers and its hosts Josh "SalvationsElite," Rex "ShadyNero," and Sam "Bash" cover all things Call of Duty Esports in regards to the Call of Duty League, CoD Cold War, CoD League news, updates, predictions, breakdowns, summaries, game patches, meta, gameplay, gamebattles, competitive gaming, the news of the official CoD League with all the pro teams like the Dallas Empire, Seattle Surge, OpTic Chicago, Atlanta FaZe, LA Thieves, Minnesota Rokkr, NY Subliners, London Royal Ravens, Florida Mutineers, the LA Guerillas, Toronto Ultra and the Paris Legion! We do predictions and breaking news, updates, roster changes rostermania, free agency, trades, with players like Scump, Crimsix, Simp, Huke, Dashy, Skrapz, Octane, Abezy, Gunless, Arcitys, FormaL, ILLeY, Shotzzy, Prestinni, Clayster, Cellium, Priestahh, Attach, Temp, and others! We are the Best of 3 Call of Duty Esports Podcast!   -CONNECT- YOUTUBE Watch on YouTube HERE (https://www.youtube.com/salvationselite)   TWITTER Follow Josh “SalvationsElite” - https://twitter.com/SalvationsElite Follow Rex  “ShadyNero” - https://twitter.com/ShadyNero Follow Sam “Bash_Bo3” - https://twitter.com/Bash_BO3   PODCAST The Best of 3 CoD Esports Podcast is available on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts and will be coming to more apps soon! Links here: APPLE: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-best-of-3-cod-esports-podcast/id1490028421 SPOTIFY https://open.spotify.com/show/7jgzkfT6uc7wyU2L4UCh0B?si=Z6XhfUCcQ2exwOgyjfJFDA ---------------- SALVATIONSELITE SOCIALS The DISCORD CoD Community Server! Join for community tourneys, live streams, finding teammates and more! https://discord.gg/wJh6BCC   TWITTER -- https://twitter.com/salvationselite INSTAGRAM -- https://www.instagram.com/josh.roeloffs/ TWITCH -- https://www.twitch.tv/salvationselite DISCORD -- https://discord.gg/wJh6BCC   #TheBestOf3Podcast #CoDEsports #CallofDutyLeague #podcast #CallofDuty #Esports #CoDPodcast #EsportsPodcast #CallofDutyEsports #CompetitiveCoD

Episode 41: Micro TrainingFor this week's podcast topic, we discuss different types of micro training to help reinforce active shooter incident management methods.Bill Godfrey:Welcome to the Active Shooter Incident Management Podcast. My name is Bill Godfrey your podcast host. We're happy to have you with us today, where we're going to be talking about micro training. Things that you can do in 10 to 15 minutes during your roll calls or briefings to help people stay on top of Active Shooter Incident Management. I have with me today, three of the other instructors from C3 Pathways, Robert McMahon from the law enforcement side. Robert. Good to see you.Robert McMahan:Good to see you, Bill.Bill Godfrey:All right. We've also got Mark Rhame on the fire/EMS side, Mark. Good to have you back.Mark Rhame:Yeah, always enjoy it.Bill Godfrey:And Billy Perry, Billy it's been a little while.Billy Perry:It hasn't been. It's been a minute, but I'm glad to be back.Bill Godfrey:Oh, it's good to have you. Good to have you back in the house. All right. So I almost feel like the first thing I want to do is go around and talk about all the different names we've heard this called. So roll call training, briefing training, quick drills. What else?Robert McMahan:Seven minute training where I came from.Bill Godfrey:Seven minute training. Okay.Mark Rhame:Morning teleconference review issues. Yeah.Billy Perry:Hip pocket training.Bill Godfrey:Hip pocket. All right. So the idea here is that during these opportunities, whether it's roll call, shift change, whenever you're going to do it within your organization, to be able to take 10 or 15 minutes and kind of reinforce some of these ASIM topics. And so I've asked the instructors to kind of come up with some things that they thought would help. And some of these are things that you can do really without any preparation, without any warning. Some of them are going to acquire a little bit of planning, but not a whole ton of planning. And we're going to kind of go through them. Mark. Do you mind leading us off?Mark Rhame:Sure. I guarantee you the three, four of us sitting here at this table and the people listening probably can go to their file cabinet, go to their book, whatever they keep their certificates of the classes they've taken, and they stick them into those files, stick them into that book. And then they pretty much ignore it from that point forward for the most part. Part of the failure, I guess, in the public safety environment, whether it's fire/EMS, law enforcement, is that we do a lot of good training. We get together and we come together and say this is a good thing, but how much do we practice this? How much do we talk about it? How much do we go out there and engage our partners? Whether if you're on the fire/EMS side or your talking to the law enforcement, especially the guys you run with, girls who run with on a regular basis than a community and talk about these topics and reinforce what we're going to do when we get on those scenes.So one of the first things I look at is for fire and EMS is you need to invite your fellow law enforcement brothers and sisters out there stop by a firehouse. And let's re-emphasize what our roles are, what we're going to do when we get on the scene. When you build out an RTF how much equipment you're going to carry? Who's in command, who's going to do talking on the radio, make sure we have that radio discipline. So there's a lot of things that we can do in a very short period of time. But again, it's up to that battalion chief or assistant chief or whatever that ranking person is on that morning teleconference to say, "Hey guys and girls go out there and get with your brothers and sisters." On the law enforcement side as I'm talking about fire/EMS and let's reemphasize and talk about what our responsibilities are and what our roles are going to be in these environments. Because again, all of us has taken these classes, but how much do we practice it afterwards?Bill Godfrey:So real quick and simple Mark, you're talking about just invite your local law enforcement guys and gals that work in your area, ask them to come by pop by the firehouse 10, 15 minutes for a meal.Mark Rhame:A simple thing as open up the cabinet and show them what you're going to carry so they can actually see what your intent is when you arrive on the scene at staging, and you build out your RTFs-Billy Perry:And what your ability is.Mark Rhame:Yeah, exactly. And maybe they're going to go, "Oh, wait a second. That's too much. You can't carry all that stuff." Or maybe after the scene's been cooled down a lot the known threats are either contained or neutralized. You can bring in that scoop stretcher or Blackboards or whatever it happens to be. So that's where you re-emphasize this stuff and go over the rules of engagement if you will, in that fire/EMS side. And it doesn't take that long, just make sure everybody's on the same page.Bill Godfrey:Billy. One of the things that kind of jumps out to me as Mark says that is the idea of reinforcing that RTF introduction about rules and responsibilities and most fire guys and gals don't have any knowledge about tactics or how to move.Billy Perry:Right. And frankly, a lot officers don't either, spoiler alert. But you're right. And I think, yeah. That's all of us. We all fall into that, but yeah, I agree. And it all boils down to relationships.Mark Rhame:Yeah. That's actually a really good point though, Billy. In the class, we talk about it, and we do a little demo sometimes in the live class where we show building the teams out every shakes hands and does the introduction. But how often has someone gone out there and say, "Hey, let's practice this." The law enforcement officer gets with the fire/EMS guys and say, "We're going to be an RTF. Let's demo or practice this in the parking lot or in the station or whatever on our expectations from the law enforcement side.Billy Perry:Yeah, and we're all trainers. And we know we accept the fact that a lot of people don't understand. Practice does not make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect because if you're practicing wrong, it's not better. And you're right. And it's getting the reps in, the good reps. That's why SWAT teams serve warrants is for reps for hostage rescue. There's a lot of reasons for it. And I think that's where we need to do that in what we do in building relationships and familiarity.Robert McMahan:I think another way to do that is just on the opposite side. When law enforcement is conducting training, tactical training, invite those fire guys to come out there with you and do that with you. Practice those movements, figure out if you've got the right kit. Figure out how much you're carrying actually. You may want to adjust that kit based on that training and actually running it, communicating down the halls and all that kind of stuff. When we're doing our tactical training to make sure we're including them as well as our dispatchers to tie up that communication piece.Bill Godfrey:Now, Robert, when you say kit, what do you mean there?Robert McMahan:Well, I mean, both for fire and for law enforcement. Law enforcement's got their stuff, their kit that they put on their body armor that they get in there long guns out and that kind of stuff. The things they're carrying into that hot zone or warm zones. And for the fireside whatever those tools are that they're going to be carrying down range as an RTF to the patients, they need to make sure that that kit or whatever they're bringing is going to be right. And it's going to be manageable.Bill Godfrey:One of the things and I've talked about it before here on the podcast, that was a surprise or an awakening moment to me when I first started kind of doing this and working with some of the specific lingo. Things like the X, understanding hallway intersections, T intersections, how to keep a light touch, but not grab on when you're moving. How important are those things to talk to the fire/EMS folks about on the law enforcement side. Because I mean, if you don't have the law enforcement background that was foreign terminology to me.Billy Perry:Sure. It's huge. It honestly is. I mean it can be a total unhinging of the operation. It can be nothing and it can also be grievous. So I mean its knowledge is power.Bill Godfrey:Okay. Very good. Well, that's the first one off the board there, Mark. Billy what's on your list.Billy Perry:On my list is knowledge. And I say that jokingly. The big thing in law enforcement, and this isn't being condescending, I fall into this category as a trainer and as having been a trainer for decades, we in law enforcement used to be really, really good at the initial neutralization as Mark put it of the issue. When it came to ASIM Active Shooter Incident Management, we used to be really good at that. And we've kind of not gotten as good lately. We've had some challenges. And I think a lot of it is born of ignorance of our craft and our profession. And I think a lack of knowledge and a lack of familiarity can cause professional and cognitive freezing. And I think knowing what we do and why we do it and how we do it is huge. And I think this is one of those situations where hip pocket training can be so event changing.And we talk it where our work, the why we do it response to resistance. And you can call it response resistance, use of force, whatever. In the words of Shakespeare, "A rose by any other name," whatever. But no the statutes, wherever you are, know the statues that justify or that cover your justification of use of force and in Florida, it's 7, 7, 6, know that. Know your orders. Know your case law, you're Graham v. Connor, Tennessee v. Garner. Scott v. Harris for pursuits and whatnot but know those things. And so that way, when the drop down menu appears in your mind, you act professionally. In law enforcement we reached a level of frankly, of unconscious competency. We accidentally do the right thing a lot of times when we can't articulate why. Words mean things and we need to be quoting those statutes.And that's part of the issue we're having with a public right now is words do mean things. We can't explain why we've done what we've done, because we don't really know, frankly. And I think when you ask any number officers, why did they shoot somebody? Or why do they shoot people? Why do they resort to that? And why do they have the weapons platform that they use? They don't know. And they may use coined terms such as, "To neutralize the threat." Well that sounds good but what does that really mean? And what does that mean to the public?And, frankly, we answer to the public. As a law enforcement officer, my fundamental duty is to serve mankind, safeguard lives and property. I mean, so to protect the innocent against deception, the weak against oppression or intimidation session week has pressure on intimidation and the peaceful against violence or disorder, and on and on and on. And we need to know why we do what we do, and we do that. We implement deadly force with two things in mind, to change their behavior, whatever they're doing, stop it. And to stop the bullet because the bullets... the fourth rule in firearm safety is the arc of fire, beware of your target and what's beyond it.And handgun rounds over-penetrate a lot. And so what's behind it? We don't want to be detrimental. And that's why where I work, we have special ammunition, and we use long guns because of the lack of over-penetration and for the enhanced accuracy. And I think we need to be able to explain why, and when the public asks, "Why," because it's a reasonable question. We need to be able to professionally articulate why, because it's a great reason and it's scientific and based on physics and actual data, which is also crazy. That's the great thing about training in 2021. And one of the things I like about C3... research it, check it out. It's true.Bill Godfrey:All right. So some quick hip pocket training to talk about that decision-making process and knowing...Billy Perry:Knowing why, knowing when, being able to articulate why. And even not just in the deployment of it, but when you're standing in a neighborhood with a rifle, when somebody calls it an assault rifle or whatever, and says, "Why are you standing here with that terrifying thing?" For you to be able to articulate professionally. "I understand this may look scary but it's really not. And the reason I carry it is so that it is so much safer for your family and why endanger Sandy in the sandbox and Sammy on the swing set for somebody else doing wrong in do right zone. I can apply my rounds exactly on target and they don't over penetrate like my handgun rounds. And so while I realize it looks a little bit dangerous, sir or ma'am, it's really not. And it's a lot safer than any other platform we can use."And that's why we do it. It's not for intimidation factor or anything else. And to be able to say, because it's true and people may flame me, but I don't care. It's true. We don't shoot to kill. We don't shoot to wound. And we don't shoot the warn. We shoot for you to stop doing what you're doing and to stop our bullet at the end. And in Jacksonville, we just had one Saturday night, I guess, the ninth. And they shot him, and it stopped when he stopped. That's what is the general thing. and but knowing why and being able to articulate it, that's where this hip pocket training could be so event changing, career changing and because most civil unrest have started because of traffic stops and shootings that the public didn't understand.Bill Godfrey:Okay, Robert, what's on your list? I'm going to come to you before I throw one of mine out.Robert McMahan:So years ago, one of the sheriffs I worked for implemented a thing we call seven minute training and every day at briefing, we were supposed to give seven minutes of training on some topic. And I don't know if the audience realizes but C3 Pathways has actually provided a great list in the Active Shooter Incident Management checklist of seven minute training topics. And what I would like to see is if I were still in charge of patrol or teams, is to see my supervisors going through each of these sections. Law enforcement first arriving, tactical, all these positions and talk about what those positions do, why they're important, why they're set up the way they are. So they know inside and out the structure that has been put together and this training that's been put together and know what their roles and responsibilities are.Especially if I'm a first-line supervisor. And I want to avoid that over convergence of resources that we've talked about in the past. And I want those contact teams to get formed and to be going down range with a purpose and understand that tactical has got to control those. So all these areas that we have on the checklist are great train topics. Each segment by themselves are a great training topic for seven minutes, five minutes, 10 minutes, whatever you want to do at those roll call trainings. And they're also good at the tactical trainings that we've talked about earlier. Getting your tactical room clearing, running the hallways, all that kind of stuff, and getting your fire and EMS, and they're working those, but understanding what role each person's in, what their responsibilities are and what they need to get done. I think you got a whole checklist full of training topics there. And if you don't have one, you can go to the website and download one and get it for free. So, I mean, there's a month's worth of training just on the checklist itself.Bill Godfrey:I completely agree with you. And actually almost kind of wish I went first because now it's going to sound like I'm just stealing your topic, but I'm a basic guy, simple guy. And I think often the way the incident goes really depends on the first few minutes of how it unfolds. And if the first few minutes unfolds kind of the right direction, then there's an inertia with it that carries itself forward. And to me, one of the things that I would like to see in that five, 10 minute roll call briefing is to have scenarios. I mean, almost every place you are, you've got access to a computer screen or a monitor or a projector on the wall. Pull up Google maps, pull up a target in your area, whether it's a school or a building or a mall, or I don't care, take your pick.And give them a scenario, say, "Okay, here's what the dispatch goes out. You roll up on scene. This is what you're hearing. This is what you're seeing. Give me a radio, arrival report. Go." "Well, what do you mean?" "Well, I mean exactly what I said. Give me that 15 second arrive report, tell me... hit the items. What's your size-up report? Identify your hot zone. Take command and tell us, yeah, that you're... what are you doing? Not just taking care of it, but what are you going to actually do?" Because I think when you start with that, it forces everybody to go, "Oh wow, I really need to pay attention to this." And then once you get down those first arrival reports, then you go to tactical and do the handoffs.So like Robert was saying... one of the things that I saw that I thought was a pretty interesting way to do it. And Michelle was actually the one that did this. She laid out kind of a scenario on paper, but then split up pieces of it on little index cards. And so as they began to stand this up, she would hand the role cards, to whoever responded. So whoever was tactical got these cards and whoever were the contact team... contact one got these cards and contact two got these cards. And they each had their own little pieces of information, but they didn't know what the other ones knew. And it forced them to kind of have to communicate back and forth in those roles. And I thought that was a pretty creative way of doing it. Again, low tech, super easy. Don't really-Billy Perry:Super fast.Bill Godfrey:Yeah. Don't really even care if it's actually on the radio. I mean, just do it in your radio voice. Right? And make it happen. So to me, I think that's one of the really easy things that takes almost no planning. Pick a spot, come up with a scenario and say, "Give me your size report. Go."Robert McMahan:Yeah. And Bill, that's huge. And if you think that sounds silly, let me tell you it works. We had several officer-involved shootings where I worked and typically what you heard at the beginning was, "Oh, shots fired, scream, scream, scream." So we went into training and changed that and said, "Here's what we want you to say if you're involved in a shooting." So we incorporated it with a scenario on the range, do your shooting now and get on the radio and say what you're going to say. And it changed. Because the next officer involved shooting, we had, it changed. So this will change too. If you're doing this arriving officer reports and doing these briefings and talking it out like you're on the radio or even used radio channel to do it will change your behavior down range when it happens.Mark Rhame:And we talk about that in the face-to-face classes where I know historically for me, when I was a company officer... when I first got made company officer, I would do that as I drove around the town. I mean, literally I pull up to a building, we're going out and doing training, maybe we're doing area survey, or maybe we're doing a building survey. I would in my head give that briefing report as I pulled up to that building. And if you get in a habit of doing that on a regular basis, it becomes so much easier when you have that all that excitement in front of your face.Bill Godfrey:Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, I think that's a good skill. Record one on your phone. "I want everybody, while you're out on patrol, pick a target, pick a scenario, do a report, record it on your phone. I want to see it tomorrow at briefing. Go."Robert McMahan:Yeah.Bill Godfrey:So I think those are great ideas. Mark, you're up next. What else you got?Mark Rhame:I love the practice. And I really tried to push this when I was on shift, of doing a tailboard critique before you leave and emphasize that as a leader-Bill Godfrey:You mean after a scenario is.Mark Rhame:After a scenario.Bill Godfrey:After an incident's occurred.Mark Rhame:Yeah. And involve law enforcement. That was something that we did not do because if we would have just said, "Hold on a second guys before y'all go back in service. Can you come over here and talk. We're going to gather troops around the back of the engine and talk about the good, the bad, the ugly." What did we do good? What did we do bad?Billy Perry:That's brilliant.Mark Rhame:How can we improve that? And involve the law enforcement officers, which I didn't do. I never ever... and emphasize that your crews before they leave that scene, I don't care if it's just a single engine and a rescue that went to a auto with entrapment. Before you leave the scene, put the truck back in service and go, "Guys gather round. What did we do bad, what we do good?" And as a company officer, and as a leader, they should be comfortable enough to say, "Well, we kind of didn't like what you did there." Now there's a line to that. Of course if they're constantly telling me what I did wrong, I'd probably say, "Well, I got a problem here." But the bottom line is that those tailboard critiques, before you leave the scene to me are so important when it's fresh in your mind.Billy Perry:Because we would that all as well. So I wish we had combined them. Because we would because be doing it over... I'm serious. We would be doing it over here. You're doing it over there on the tailboard. How innovative could we have been if we'd have just-Bill Godfrey:"Ooh, let's all talk together."Billy Perry:Right?Bill Godfrey:Yeah.Billy Perry:Because we know each other. Feel dumb.Robert McMahan:You know, as cops we're taught from right out of the academy, start thinking about what you're going to be doing and start thinking about, "Oh, if I have the scenario, how do I respond? If a bad guy pops up over here, how do I respond?" So we're taught to kind of pre-think out those incidents. Well, you can do the same thing with this. If you think about, "Okay, if I'm fifth, man, what are my roles and responsibilities? What do I got to get done? I know there's people down range already. How do I control that? How do I think these things through and plan them out before the incident ever happened?" And you can do this all by yourself. Take the checklist, whatever you want and think about these things, preplan them, talk about, or think about in your mind, how you're going to give that briefing or what you're going to say on the air before you get there or before it happens.Bill Godfrey:Absolutely. I think it's a great one. Billy RTF. Hit me.Billy Perry:Use RTF for everything. Use RTF for football games. And I don't mean just NFL games. I mean, you're in high school games. I mean, use RTF-Bill Godfrey:Planned events you're talking about?Billy Perry:Planned events use them for fairs for carnivals, use them for... because again, practice and you know what make the runs, I mean-Mark Rhame:How about social unrest?Billy Perry:Yeah.Mark Rhame:They pull a permit to do a picket or whatever.Billy Perry:Sure.Mark Rhame:And you know that thing's going to go overboard.Billy Perry:And we had been doing it for that. And that's actual what I would consider a deployment of them. Absolutely. But I think do it. And so that everybody sees how everybody works. And so you understand it more. Put the white stuff on the red stuff and put the wet stuff on the hot stuff. And I mean and do what we do. Because again, it's reps if it's done correctly.Bill Godfrey:Yeah. Keep it simple. Don't miss the opportunities to do it on the easy ones.Robert McMahan:It's just like I tell officers every week I said, "Do not let a firefighter breach a door on a check welfare on somebody that you think is... don't because the worst firefighter in the house can out breach the best SWAT Reacher. And so don't let them have more reps. Don't wait tilt the Super Bowl to reach your first door seriously. I mean breach it. And the same thing with this, I think we need reps.Bill Godfrey:Interesting. Interesting. So I'm going to say for my next one, triage on a mass casualty incidents. I think by and large it's been a bit of a lost art. Now Mark and I are old enough that we're from a generation when we were the medics. There weren't a lot of medics on the road, and it wasn't uncommon for you to have to deal. You went to a four or five patient car accident, and you were responsible for all the patients, if not through the whole call for an extended period of time.And that's a bit of a lost art now is the idea of triage and kind of like the idea that Michelle had of taking up the different roles. Index cards, it doesn't need to be fancy. It doesn't need to be a bunch of stuff. Just take some index cards and write down various injuries, assessment information, and put them in a stack, give them a dozen and say, "I want those in green, yellow, red, and black piles now. Go. Sort them out, get them done." And then go through and look at them and say, "Okay what protocol did you use?" "Well, we use start." You use start. They always say that, "Oh, you start, really? Okay. So how did this patient end up in this column?"They get the walking wounded one, right? I mean, that one's easy. They could wave to me. So that's a green right. They get that one right. Starts a lot more complicated than it sounds. And so, that's a great five, 10 minute drill. You can make 20, 25 cards and mix them up and keep repeating that until they get it right. And then once they get that right, put them into a couple of different piles to simulate two different casually collection points. And then look to the company officer, "Okay, you're in charge of triage now. You're the triage group supervisor at an active shooter event. They've just called in with these kinds of injuries. What are you and transport going to do to sort this out? Who's going first? Who is going in what order? How are you evacuating them? What's going to be your loads on the hospitals, or on loads on the ambulance? Which hospitals are you going to go to?" And I think that simple mechanism can allow you to, as Robert said, you can get multiple runs of training through that and take it on through their roles.Robert McMahan:And triage is a good example of something that we train on it initially. We go out and buy a whole bunch of those tags and the sheets that go with it. And in fact, we even took it farther, One of the departments I worked for the longest period of time We had those numbers that matched the triage tag that went on the ribbon on their arm that matched the run reports. So we can think that we're actually tracking these patients so we can get some good data, which frankly we didn't do. But the bottom line was that if you're not doing it on a regular basis, if you're not training on that a regular basis, when you need to use it doesn't work. Frankly, it's kind of a mess. Am I supposed to tear this off and put it in my pocket? Do I tear off this part and put it on the ground where they're at? It's raining, it's windy, that little piece of paper just went away. What do I do with these numbers? I mean, who's keeping that log, all that stuff-Bill Godfrey:My yellows are red, my reds are yellow.Robert McMahan:Yeah. And all that stuff looks good on paper. And it looks good in that trauma bag that's there that we got triaged tags. But frankly we don't do it enough to be good at it. I mean really that the bottom line.Bill Godfrey:It's funny, a number of years ago... so Florida adopted what they called the statewide standard triage tag. And then they immediately began updating it, evolution after evolution of the different form came out with these different little tweaks. And we were doing an MCI class at an agency and held up the tag and said, "This is the state standard triage tag. And you should have all of these on your vehicles. And one of the company officer goes, "Well, that's not what's on mine." "And well, it's supposed to be it."Anyways, this went back and forth until we finally said, "Okay, timeout, all break. Everybody, go down to your vehicles and pull one of your tags off." And not a single one of the tags on any of the vehicles that were there matched not one of them. And the EMS supervisor was so beside himself, not happy at all. He then over the next several days went and did a physical inspection of every single station. He found over 20 different triage tags in use. 20 different triage tags from the old-Robert McMahan:And one agency. And one agency.Bill Godfrey:And one agency from the old World War II met tags all the way up to this modern... So it just goes to show you can't ever do it too much. Robert, I think you're up for the next one.Robert McMahan:I want to say this first for all you command staff out there. Hear me out here. Okay. Tabletop exercises in command staff. Now I'm not talking about the four to eight hour day that we have to do annually with our emergency manager to check the ICS training requirement box. I'm just talking 10 to 15 minutes. And here's why it's important because you're going to come on scene. You're going to want to take over this. And we tend to over-manage these things we'll get down too far in the weeds. And that's because we don't understand what all the rules are doing.So if you can throw a 10 minute tabletop exercise together. It doesn't have to be fancy. You just get the matboard out, draw it out and start talking it through. Talk about what all these functions you... use this training tool again, that C3 has put out and go through these things so that you're competent too because there's nothing worse... you're your men, the downrange folks, they know you're not competent at this when you show up and you mess it up. So put yourself in there and spend that time doing some tabletops, just for command staff. You got all those staff meetings that you got to go to. You just won't turn some of it into some useful time.Mark Rhame:Are you saying that the rest of it's unuseful time?Robert McMahan:Yes. I'm retired, now. I can say that.Bill Godfrey:It's funny. I mean, you talk about flying under flags of false color. There are often, and this is true on the fireside, EMS side, as much as it is on law enforcement side. There are people that get promoted through no fault of their own. They get promoted, they get the job, and they haven't had a level of training that necessarily makes them comfortable with managing the incidents. Maybe they didn't have a chance for that much experience. Whatever the case may be. Certainly, this has been an issue the fire service has been grappling with because you don't run as many fires as you used to. So how are you supposed to get all this experience and know how to do all this stuff? And every once in a while, and depending on where you are, that sometimes it's more frequent. Every once in a while, you run across somebody who always has something else to do when training's there and what it comes down to is they're afraid of being exposed for not knowing what they're doing.But the reality is, I mean, the silliest part of that is that everybody works for them, and everybody works around them already knows they don't know it. You're not hiding anything. Just get up and go to the training because everybody... It's not a secret. Everybody already knows that you don't know this stuff. So go to training and make yourself vulnerable. I think that line folks have way more respect for somebody in leadership who will commit the time to show up at training, participated and not be afraid to make mistakes in front of the troops.Robert McMahan:And you talked about not being comfortable managing these incidents. Nobody's comfortable managing these incentives.Bill Godfrey:Yeah, no kidding.Robert McMahan:Nobody wants this and the stakes are high. Nobody wants to have that on their shoulders. So you're not alone. Get in there and train and know what you're supposed to do.Bill Godfrey:I think the only people that desire to be an incident commander are people who haven't had to actually do it at a crappy incident. Because people who have had, know that they don't really want to do it again. Mark, what do you got?Mark Rhame:Well, I would say that in sort of touching what y'all just said is that, in my eyes, a great leader in an organization is someone who will engage their people on a regular basis on these five or 10 minute little training environments. Let's use the example of like a battalion chief or an assistant chief in a fire department when they're doing rounds and going around the station. And they were there visiting and maybe it's a social thing, maybe it isn't, but they take the time to say, "Hey, for the next 10 minutes, so let's just talk about this issue. Let's talk about arrival reports, size up reports." And challenge the people that are there engaging them in conversation and get them to be a better place in regard to their leadership capabilities. So in my eyes, whenever I see someone who is a good leader, someone who can engage other people in these short little conversations and training environments.Bill Godfrey:And challenge them.Mark Rhame:Yep, exactly.Bill Godfrey:Wherever they are. Billy? You got anything left?Billy Perry:Just to reiterate the ASIM can't start until we neutralize the threat. And until we take control of the scene and have it under control, and we have to be proficient in that. And once we have it done, it's not over. We don't pack up our trucks and go. It's not over. It goes on throughout all of prosecution through the whole completion of the case. So that's where our professionalism, that's where our professional competency, where our conscience competence, needs to come into play. And we need to be able to do that efficiently, effectively, and professionally every time.Bill Godfrey:And I think that applies for everybody up and down on all the disciplines and all levels, whether it's in dispatch in law enforcement, fire/EMS, line level, supervisor level, emergency management, I think that applies to everybody. And it doesn't auto-magically happen. You got to make an effort and actually work at it. Well, guys, we're coming up on the end of the segment here. And I know that we still had a couple ideas. So I'm thinking about maybe we do a part two. But I was also thinking, it might be interesting to hear from some of our listeners on some of the things that they've done and some of the ideas that they may have on doing some quick drills or quick training, hip pocket training, roll call training, things like that on both the law enforcement and on the fire/EMS side.So I'm going to invite those of you that are out there listening to this, send us a couple notes. Send us some ideas that you might have, whether it's things that you're doing or things that might've popped into your head that you think would be a good idea, or you'd like to see your organization do. And let's revisit this. And in a few weeks' time, let's do a round two of this and have some more of those ideas. So everybody, if you would please send those into info@c3pathways.com. Once again, that email address is info@c3pathways.com. Robert, Mark, Billy, guys, thanks for coming in. Great to have you here. Another good round. Everyone, I appreciate your time and hope that you found this useful. Thanks to Karla Torres our producer for making us sound great. Because if you heard one of these things raw, you would know she does a lot of work and until next time stay safe.

Episode 40: SSAVEIMIn this podcast with John-Michael Keyes from the I Love U Guys foundation, we talk about school safety and violent event incident management.Bill Godfrey:Welcome to the Active Shooter Incident Management podcast. Thank you for being with us today. We have a special guest today. I'm excited to welcome back to the fold John-Michael Keyes with the "I Love U Guys" Foundation. John-Michael, thanks for taking the time to join us on the podcast today.John-Michael Keyes:Oh, thanks for the opportunity, Bill. I always look forward to conversations with you.Bill Godfrey:It is so exciting to have you back. We got some really, really great comments about the last series you and I did, which ironically, we had recorded just before COVID shut everything down.We'll talk a little bit more about that, but I know I'm catching you literally after you've just finished the last day of your briefings. How did it go? Well, you know what? Tell everybody what the briefings were about. I'm anxious to hear how it went.John-Michael Keyes:Yeah. We started, I think almost 10 years ago now, holding an annual conference. We did it in the summertime. For the first several years, we held the conference at Columbine High School. Part of my goal with that was a special ... Not everyone can do that, and so we were delighted that Jefferson County School District and Columbine let us use the school to conduct a school safety conference.We kind of outgrew the auditorium there. It's an unusual conference, because we get a lot of first-person accounts. It feels a little different than many of the safety conferences you may have attended.Bill Godfrey:John-Michael, I'm curious. On the briefings, is there one highlight that really sticks out in your mind that was very moving or thoughtful or meaningful moving forward?John-Michael Keyes:Absolutely. Oddly enough, it's a repeat. Carly Posey is the mission director of the “I Love U Guys” Foundation. Her family story is both difficult and inspiring. She had two kids at Sandy Hook who survived the shooting. The story of the aftermath and their journey, and dealing with active killer event survivors is truly inspirational. I've seen it a half a dozen times. Even seeing it again yesterday, it gets me. Certainly, the virtual audience was moved dramatically by Carly's presentation.Bill Godfrey:I can only imagine it would be impossible not to be moved. I've seen you do yours, I've lost count, but it's well over a dozen times. I don't know how you get through ... I can't get through it with dry eyes. It just doesn't work for me. It's always a very emotional and moving topic.Any highlights that you've got planned for the next set of briefings, which is what the mini set in the winter? Am I remembering that right?John-Michael Keyes:Yeah. We started doing a winter briefing. It was a unique venue. Jefferson County School District in Colorado has 160 schools. The safety and security director there, John MacDonald, did something that I've not seen anywhere else in the country. He successfully stole an elementary school. He convinced the school district to turn the power on for a weekend of training. Having that physical school facility is essential in training for active killer events. He just forgot to have them turn the power off.Bill Godfrey:Conveniently forgot, right? Yeah.John-Michael Keyes:Actually, as the school district saw the benefit of it, they began training, not just Jefferson County public safety, but law enforcement, fire and EMS from around the state and then the country. Navy SEAL team has been there.They secured long-term funding, and it got rechristened the Frank DeAngelis Center for Community Safety. What was Martensen Elementary is now a full-on public safety training venue. I think last year, I looked pre-COVID, they had something like 70 different agencies doing nearly 200 days of training in that building.Bill Godfrey:That's a lot. That's the kind of stuff that really, really makes a difference, I know. Wow. Fantastic stuff. Well, hey, congratulations on getting the briefings done. I'm really happy that things went well, especially with the virtual challenges. But you and I are here to talk about a new program that we're doing together called SSAVEIM, School Safety and Violent Event Incident Management. You want to tell the group, tell the audience what this is about?John-Michael Keyes:Yeah. We developed the Standard Reunification Method in 2012. It was based on practices that we saw around the country in how districts could successfully reunify students with parents, with accountability, and accommodating for psychological first aid. It started gaining some traction. In 2016, we released version two.It was some time after that, when I saw a training of the Active Shooter Incident Management, ASIM, and the Counterstrike method of functional exercise in a classroom environment. It was fascinating to me. You and I got to talking, and I said, "Wouldn't it be cool if we did something like this for reunification?" I'm pretty sure it was during dinner, and perhaps a drink, because you agreed.Bill Godfrey:It's funny how those things ... Yeah. For the audience, if you ever end up at dinner with John-Michael, watch out. It comes fast and furious. Yeah.But I think it was a really great thing. We did it in a couple stages. As you mentioned, we first modified the Counterstrike training system to support being able to do full functional reunifications with students, and the paperwork, and the attendants, and the teachers, and the role players, and the responders and everything else.We began working that into the course that we do, our ASIM courses. We've got a suite of those Active Shooter Incident Management courses. We also built that into our simulation system that we use on the road for doing the advanced class. There's 3D first-person point-of-view system we can use for doing reunification, and then also the Counterstrike.It wasn't very long after that that you and I were talking again. I believe the usual dinner setting was where it occurred. We started talking about ... I think I was asking you some questions. We were having some dialogue about some challenges that we were hitting in the reunification when we were running these exercises in these scenarios. Do you remember that?John-Michael Keyes:Absolutely. That was one of the things that...Your professional career, Bill, that fire chief occasionally comes out, and seasoned incident management, that practical crisis management where your boots-on-the-ground experience over your career, you pointed out some weaknesses in our methods.I was delighted. The foundation is committed to constantly evaluating and evolving. You proposed some modifications to the practices that we've incorporated in version three of the Standard Reunification Method. That's going to be officially published here in the clear near future.Bill Godfrey:You're not getting away with clear near future. No, no, no, no. We're pinning down a date. Next week, right?John-Michael Keyes:Say again.Bill Godfrey:I said next week, right?John-Michael Keyes:It does have a publication date.Bill Godfrey:Good.John-Michael Keyes:We've got it ready to go on the website.Bill Godfrey:Fantastic.John-Michael Keyes:We're excited about that.Bill Godfrey:Yeah, as are we.John-Michael Keyes:The changes were simple and deliberate, and made the process better. The ability to incorporate that into SSAVEIM, and some of the joint development then in the setup and the execution of that, has, A, been entertaining, but, B, I'm really excited about the product.Bill Godfrey:Oh yeah, me too. I cannot wait to see this roll out in a large scale way. We actually did the pilot delivery right as COVID was cranking up, and obviously, had to set everything aside. Now, we're back to doing face-to-face stuff, and so we're beginning to ramp this back up, and beginning this push, which is why you and I both wanted to talk about it.I think that the interesting thing here is the natural evolution. As you mentioned, it's very important to you and the foundation to constantly revisit and say, "Okay. What can be better? What can be better? Is there a better way? Has things changed? What have we learned?"That's the same way that our group approaches the Active Shooter Incident Management. Threats don't stay the same. Things change over time. Things evolve. You have to look at what have we learned, what are the new practices.You were so gracious in accepting some of the feedback, and then we truly worked together on those changes and those edits. That led to the conversation about, "Hey, what do you think about putting together, not just a hands-on class, but a hands-on class that takes school people," so school administrators, teachers, security personnel, "and puts them in the room for the same training with our first responders," police, fire, and EMS, "so that they're learning together, and we're doing these functional hands-on exercises together?"That's how SSAVEIM got born and came together. SSAVEIM basically has three modules to it. The first module is the Standard Response Protocol. John-Michael, you want to recap real quickly for everybody what the SRP levels are?John-Michael Keyes:Yeah. When we started down this path, what we saw was there wasn't common language between students, staff and first responders in a variety of crisis. A lot of schools were still using codes or response levels. We're pretty committed to the fact that codes don't work in a crisis. We found some specific language: lockout, lockdown, evacuate and shelter. Those were the initial four actions of the Standard Response Protocol.Well, we introduced that in 2009, and then iterated and iterated. Today, the Standard Response Protocol 2021 is five actions. We added another action: hold in your classroom or area, and we changed the term lockout to the term secure. We did that to avoid confusion and increase precision.It doesn't sound like a big deal, changing one word. In all honesty, I think the foundation staff had bigger heartburn than the rest of the world, because everyone else said, Oh, finally," rather than complaining.Bill Godfrey:Yeah, yeah. But it is a lot of work.John-Michael Keyes:Yeah, it is a lot of work and seems to be everywhere. But for SRP 2021, the five actions are hold, secure, lockdown, evacuate and shelter. We released that, gosh, it's COVID time, so somewhere before or after COVID started. The programs are being used, in our estimation, in over 30,000 schools, districts, departments, and agencies around the country.You touched on the premise. The premise is that we need to get school folks, and administrators, and public safety all working together, all on the same page. To bring SRP into the SSAVEIM training, absolutely essential. To bring the Standard Reunification Method where, once again, we need the educators, we need public safety, we need administration, and we need to get the parents in the mix sometimes too.Bill Godfrey:Yeah. The SSAVEIM class is three modules. We start off module one is the Standard Response Protocol. We do a very brief lecture, if you will, on that. Then we get everybody up around the Counterstrike boards, and we give them a scenario. The public safety responders stand back. The school folks are up around the board. We say, "Okay, here's the scenario."Obviously, this scenario is based around a typical type of threat. Then the school folks have to decide what is the appropriate response to that. Is it going to be to secure the campus, or is it a lockdown? Then they put the campus in that condition. So they're actually interacting with the chips on the board and other things to collect up the students, put the campus into the appropriate condition. Then we do a timeout.So we run it. It happens real fast. A bunch of hands reaching in and grabbing, and moving kids around, and getting classrooms locked, and all that kind of stuff. Then we take a pause.Then we come back for module two. Now, module two is ASIM the Active Shooter Incident Management checklist, where it is ... We go through that for the public safety responders, but also for the school people to understand what all has to happen on the public safety response side, and the criticality of the sequencing of some of that, and how that matters.We run through that relatively short lecture, get everybody back up, back over to the board, where it's in the condition where they left it earlier. So we're going to pick it right back up where we left off. But now, the public safety people are coming up around the board, and the school people are looking a little more at that transition that happens in real life. "Okay. We've placed our campus in lockdown. Here come law enforcement. We see fire and EMS piling up in the parking lot. What's this going to look like? How's this going to work?"So then that exercise unfolds, with public safety leading that part of it through the neutralization of the threat, which may mean taking the threat down or the threat leaves the campus, whatever the scenario calls for. Then the rescue and transport of those that are injured. We run that scenario until the last patient is transported. Then we call a timeout.Then we go back for the third and final module, which you've already alluded to John-Michael, which is the Standard Reunification Method, where we talk about the importance of going through that process. You want to highlight a little bit about that?John-Michael Keyes:Yeah. What we've seen in the past is school districts often have a what we call Plan B regarding reunification. Plan B is to wing it. Okay? It doesn't happen often enough, but when it does happen, it's important that we do it well, that we account for students and staff, that we accommodate any potential psychological first aid, and that there's a process in place that manages the experience of parents as they're effectively standing in line waiting to get their kid.The Standard Reunification Method is based on practices that are proven in the field in accomplishing those goals of managing parents expectations and experience while waiting to get the kids, methods to accelerate that process and still accommodate for any trauma demands that might be there.We've got paper versions of it, and a number of software vendors have incorporated this into an automated system where we can leverage some of the computer system technology that exists.But the whole point is let's get a parent back with a student with accountability, and let's have a process to attempt to quickly identify any missing students, and a mechanism to provide support for parents if students are missing.Bill Godfrey:Spot on. So we do that lecture, which, again, doesn't take a long time. It's fairly brief and to the point. Then we get everybody back up over to the boards. This is where it really starts to get interesting, because now, for the first time, you've got public safety, who is controlling the campus ...Sometimes that's a little bit of a shock to some school folks to realize that law enforcement has got their campus secured, and you're not just going to pop your head out of a classroom and go walking down the hallway, that there's a series of events that has to unfold here.One of the first challenges is just trying to get everybody to understand who is responsible for what, and how to self-organize themselves into the incident management system that is going to unfold this thing the rest of the way. That's an interesting dialogue that happens right off the bat is to get people in those roles, and then figure out exactly what you're going to do.It's always fascinating to me to watch, John-Michael. I don't know if this has been your experience too. You sit and you listen to the lecture, and you look at people's faces, and they're nodding their heads. You know, intellectually, they get it. But then 10 minutes later, when they get up and try to put hands on, they suddenly have a whole bunch of questions that just things weren't necessarily that clear to them.So as we begin to work through the process, it seems like the second problem that comes up is the school's plan to reunify is to use some part of their existing campus, the gym or their ball field, at which point, law enforcement looks at them, goes, "Yeah, no. We're not doing that.""It's a crime scene. We're not having the parents come here. We can't manage that, secure the ..." So all of a sudden, now, you're talking about an offsite reunification, it seems to me, about half the time. What's been your experience on that? On the plans that you've seen, is about half right, that think they're going to use their own campus?John-Michael Keyes:Yeah. It's a result of principals, at the school level, are kings or queens of their domain. They live in that environment, where that's the case all the time. In an active killer event, suddenly, they don't own their building. Control's been transferred to law enforcement.I always enjoy asking folks what the name of the school is. You said it. It's Crime Scene, and the name of the parking lot is Crime Scene. We aren't going to be reunifying our students with their parents in a crime scene.Principals, they've gotten to that position by going through the educational administrative process, which gets to that king or queen of their domain. The good ones recognize fairly quickly, "Yep. This one's bigger than me."Bill Godfrey:Yeah. It's funny. I can't help but remember you and I doing that training for my daughter's school. My daughter was in a private school. She has since graduated, and now off to college. But we did an early version of this class, when we were still prototyping it and working through it, for her private school.I will never forget that conversation with the superintendent. We said, "Okay. We're going to do reunification." He goes, "Well, we're going to use this part of the campus." "No. You're not." "Okay. We're going to do an offsite reunification. We're going to use this church." "Okay. Have you called them? Do you have a plan?" "No. We'll do that."John-Michael Keyes:"Do you have a key?"Bill Godfrey:Yeah. "Do you have a key?" Then it was, "How are we going to get them over there?" "Oh, we're going to get the buses." "What buses?" "Our buses." "Do you mean the buses in the parking lot? The buses in a crime scene?" He's like, "What's the problem? We'll just move them ..." "No."Then, "Where are you going to get the staff?" "Well, I'm going to pull these teachers and these administrators." "You mean the ones that are on lockdown in your campus?"All of a sudden, it was like he was so dejected a little bit, but it was important, because I think for the first time, he and a number of the other members of their team realized, "We've made an awful lot of assumptions about how this is going to go. It turns out, we've made a few incorrect assumptions."John-Michael Keyes:Humans really learn efficiently by making mistakes. That's one of the things in our training, we do try to talk about charters and privates, and really, really encourage fostering a relationship with the district that they're footprinted in.Talk about a cantankerous response. They don't like that answer, but they come to a grim realization that this is one of those areas where that strong relationship with the surrounding district is going to be essential for a successful reunification. Fostering that relationship, I'm thinking that reunification is the vector that's going to allow those relationships to blossom.Bill Godfrey:Absolutely. You know what? To their credit, they took serious and quick action to change number of things. For example, the SRP, they implemented that a week later. They made policy decisions, and rolled out that training to all of the staff. They since have started this informal network amongst other private schools in the area that are going to work together to share those responsibilities.I just love that the conversation didn't stop. They've carried it forward. They're continuing to do it. I'm sure you remember Mike Armstrong over there was working very hard with a lot of that stuff. Really, really proud of the work that they've done. So SSAVEIM.John-Michael Keyes:Bill, that's the sign of successful training. Successful training doesn't end when the course is over. It's just the first step in moving forward and advancing all of this stuff.We've had great success from the foundation's perspective. Absolutely the Counterstrike methodology and SSAVEIM and ASIM result in, "Okay. Step one was to do this, but now there's a path ahead of us and some visibility into following the path." If that isn't the result of our training, then I don't think we've done our job well.Bill Godfrey:I completely agree with you there. To give people a sense of ... What I've described, those three modules, that's the morning. We break for lunch. When we come back from lunch, after lunch, it's all scenarios.So for the rest of the afternoon, we just run scenarios from start to finish, rotating people through the different positions, giving different types of incidents, different types of scenarios and outcomes, so that people have some repetition to work through this, so that the things start to make sense. That light bulb goes on or that aha moment clicks.By the end of the day, when we wrap up, they've laid their hands on three or four full exercises that they've run, functional exercises, where they've seen this process repeat and play out. It really makes sense to them.John-Michael Keyes:We leveraged one of the lessons that we learned when we started doing this. It was actually the briefings at Columbine, when we did our first functional exercise in reunification, and actually had the district bring a school bus so that we could transport our, quote, students around the parking lot from the impacted site to the reunification site.We were doing it at a conference with 350 or 400 adults, so we had to simulate students and parents. We came up with a mechanism for that. Had an adoption ceremony.One of the greatest critiques was that there's a lot of moving parts in this. None of it is complicated, but there's a lot of parts, and they're happening at distances sometimes. Folks wanted to see it a couple of times from a couple of different perspectives.What we've done with SSAVEIM is allow that repetition and the ability to see it from different perspectives.Bill Godfrey:Absolutely, absolutely. I'll tell you, to take it a step further. The thing that was really exciting to me, as you and I were finalizing the curriculum and how we were going to do the delivery...It is a one day, eight hour course. But after we got into some conversation, because it does take two instructors to do this, and obviously, there's some costs involved, we decided that what made more sense was to do this as a train the trainer, so that we don't just come out and do a single delivery. You can, but our real focus is on getting trainers out there, coming out and doing this as a train the trainer, getting your staff, your team up to speed, ready to continue on.Because no matter how many people you have in the class, it's not everybody. Then you've got turnover. Just like the school has turnover from people retiring, or promoting up, or just leaving the workforce, it happens too on public safety. You go three to five years, and the guys in the field aren't the ones in the field anymore. They've promoted up. They're in charge of things, or they've moved on to other jobs, and you've got this retraining thing. So that being able to offer this as a train the trainer I just thought was critical.John-Michael Keyes:Absolutely. We've been talking public safety, and I had this niggling suspicion that there was a parallel universe out there. It turns out that public health is having some of the same conversations about reunification as public safety and education. The train-the-trainer model allows us to not only bridge turnover, but perhaps bridge the gap between public safety and public health.Bill Godfrey:Interesting. Interesting. Now, are you seeing that in several different states, or is there seem to be a center to it?John-Michael Keyes:I've seen ... Short answer is kind of, sorta kinda. I sat in a conference call with emergency managers, primarily emergency planners from the hospital perspective. There was an absolute need for a method, and they had no visibility into how to do it.We also bumped into an interesting organization out of Arizona that has done some work in this, but again, they've been focused on the public health side, the hospital side of things, because hospitals face some of the same challenges in reunifying when there's a flood of people that come to the hospital, and managing that intake response when a large mass casualty event may occur.Bill Godfrey:Absolutely. That was actually one of the stories that came out of Pulse after the action report came out. That's a tongue twister. They did not make an attempt to manage reunification at the scene. A lot of reasons why. But they ended up having to manage reunification at the hospital. It wasn't necessarily purposeful or deliberate.The hospital itself began to take on the responsibility of trying to do it, only, they really didn't have a plan for it. They, like you said, it was the Plan B, just wing it, and got through it. So I think that that's really an interesting thing.I suspect if we talk to Brandon out in Vegas, to some degree, there was a component of that that went on with the hospitals out there in the 1 October attack.John-Michael Keyes:Yeah. Here's one of the things that I've noticed regionally. We've done training nationally across the country. East of the Mississippi, I am more likely to have some public health folks in foundation training than west of the Mississippi. The East Coast especially, and Northeast into Pennsylvania, I've done more trainings where there's a third of the audience that's coming from the public health side, because the hospitals want to know what's going on. They want to be able to support that mass casualty event. It was fascinating to me to make that observation, that there's a regional awareness to this that differs around the country.Bill Godfrey:Yeah. I think it just reminds us that no matter how far we make it, there's always more work to be done on this. Fascinating.I don't want to leave the discussion, though, without talking about the other thing that I'm super excited about, which is not just that we did this as a joint course, or that it was jointly developed by both C3 and the “I Love U Guys” Foundation, but also we worked out a way for people to be able to get the course from either one of us. They can procure it directly from C3 or through the foundation, which opens a lot of opportunities, depending on where the funding's coming from.In some cases, grant funding, with the work we do with Homeland Security, is a little bit easier to write up and document our direction. But you've got the ability to have a lot of donation funding that flows through towards the foundation's not-for-profit mission.John-Michael Keyes:Yeah. We've been able to offer all of our materials on the website at no cost. We don't even charge you an email address. Now, we'd love to hear from you, so it doesn't mean that you can't give us an email address, but it isn't necessary to get any of the materials.But development and distribution of materials does cost money. Part of our sustainability model relies certainly on service revenues through training. But we also have a program that we call Partner With Love. You are a mission partner in our Partner With Love program. You're a mission partner that's contributed to the foundation both financially and, more importantly, intellectually. That joint development has totally transformed and advanced some of our programs.But we have other mission partners that are strictly commercial. We feel very strongly that that partnership between commercial, nonprofit, government and community, nothing else comes even close to matching the power of that. So we've got the ability to perhaps find some funding, if resources are constrained, through the foundation to get SSAVEIM courses delivered.Bill Godfrey:That is such an exciting, exciting, exciting thing. I still continue to pursue our channels for securing some DHS funding. We're not really having much luck with that at the moment, but I'm never going to give up the faith, or never give up the fight. I think it's worth keeping it ever present. But in the meantime, it's important to get the material and the information out there, and continue to make a difference in both of our missions to save lives.John-Michael Keyes:There are clear next steps after an initial training session. That next step is a SSAVEIM course. The next step is let's do a hands-on exercise and move people around space. Just the traction that's happening, especially as we're coming out of our 18 months of isolation and silent weeping tears, that we want to get together in person, and do some of this type of training. There's a strong hunger for it.Bill Godfrey:I completely agree, completely agree. I'm excited to see where it goes. I'm excited to see where it goes.John-Michael Keyes:Bill, this has been a fascinating journey. I can't let us leave without one more acknowledgement. Reunification, if you think about, it is a deliberate process to move people through a space, with accountability and identification, to give them something. That would be just a heck of an acronym, okay?But we learned this when school districts were going and starting to do the stay at home orders. They still had to deliver materials to students, or meals to students who were free and reduced lunch. It turns out that reunification, these methods could be used not only to get a student back with their parents, but a lunch back with their student when the school was closed down.We developed the Standard Distribution Method. If I recall, the shutdown orders came March 13th in Colorado. We released beta one on the 25th, with video and operational guidance for that. Your contribution to the operational guidance, that product wouldn't exist without C3 Pathways and your efforts, and your team's efforts in assembling some of that stuff.As a side note, one of our board members, Pat Hamilton is the chief operating officer at Adams 12 Five Star Schools. State of Colorado tapped him on the shoulder to do a mass vaccination site. He called me up and he said, "You know what? Public health is handling the actual jab, but we're in charge of moving the people around. It's kind of like a reunification. There's still an identification process, got to move people through the process." He was able to do reunifications with a fraction of the staff, using these methods, than the state was without them.Bill Godfrey:That's fantastic. I appreciate your very, very generous and gracious words there. It was absolutely our pleasure, and the pleasure of the team that worked on that effort for you, to be a part of it. We were honored that you called and asked, and we were honored to get it done.If I remember correctly, that was a Friday night phone call. Because I seem to recall we worked that over the weekend, and had to deliver it to you by Saturday night or Sunday morning, if I'm remembering this right.John-Michael Keyes:Well, the shutdown orders came March 13. The first release, the video, the operational guidance, the graphics, all of this stuff, released the first version on March 25th. Mass guidance was on the horizon then. We saw the handwriting on the wall, so to speak, and we ran through beta two, new videos and new stuff, and mass guidance occurred officially from CDC on April 3rd. We were online April 5th for beta two.So early phases of shutdown, and your team did a ton of work, certainly our team did a ton of work, in making that happen very quickly. It was really relevant at the time.Bill Godfrey:Yeah. It was good to be a part of it. Right in the beginning, there was a lot of, "What can we do? How can we help?" So it was exciting to us to have something to sink our teeth into.Well, as always. John-Michael, I have immensely enjoyed this conversation. I really appreciate you taking the time. I know it's been a long week wrapping up the briefings, and I know you're tired, but once again, you bring a level of enthusiasm, and I'm just very, very appreciative and thankful for you and the time that you continue to commit to these causes.John-Michael Keyes:Bill, thank you. As always, we've been on the phone longer than we thought. I love talking. I love the relationship with C3 Pathways and then the personal relationship with both you and your team.Bill Godfrey:Well, absolutely, I appreciate it. I look forward to the next time we can get together face to face.Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for tuning in. We hope you enjoyed it. If you have any questions about this podcast or any of the stuff that John-Michael or I talked about, please feel free to reach out to us. You can call the office, send us an email info@c3pathways.com.Thank you for being with us. If you have not subscribed to the podcast, please do so. Thanks again to our producer, Karla Torres. John-Michael, take care. Everyone, stay safe.

Episode 39: ASIM IntermediateSheriff Michelle Cook shares her experience hosting the Active Shooter Incident Management (ASIM) Intermediate course remotely for Clay County (FL) on the NCIER Campus virtual platformBill Godfrey:Welcome to the Active Shooter incident management podcast. My name is Bill Godfrey, your podcast host. We appreciate you tuning back in with us this week. We have a special guest, one of our instructors who has been on a little bit of a leave of absence, Michelle Cook. Now, most of you will remember, if you've been with us for a long time, Michelle's done some podcasts in the past, and was a police chief up in the north Florida area. Not too long ago, she was elected sheriff in Clay County in the north Florida area, and is taking the time to talk with us today. Kind of catch us up, what's going on, and tell us a little bit about her experience with the Active Shooter Incident Management, intermediate class. Michelle, welcome, and thank you for taking the time to join us. Michelle Cook:Thank you, Bill. I appreciate you inviting me back on. Bill Godfrey:So, being sheriff, it's an elected position, a lot of work with that. Was it as much fun as you thought it was going to be? Michelle Cook:The campaigning, or the actual job? Bill Godfrey:I'll let you answer that anyway you want. Michelle Cook:Sure, yeah. Campaigning was tough, but I'm truly a committed public servant that wants to do right by the officers on the street that protect us every day. So, that was my motivation to run, and since winning the election, and being in office now for just about a year, the ability to bring the great training, and looking out for the deputies that serve on the street, has really been my driving force for going into work every day. Bill Godfrey:Well, I know you're very good at it and have a passion for this like nobody else I've ever seen. We certainly miss you here on our side of the fence. I look forward to the time comes that you slow down a little bit and kind of come back to the fold. So, I thought it'd be fun to have you on to talk about our Active Shooter Incident Management, intermediate class, and your experience with hosting that. Now for the audience, the ASIM intermediate is our two day version of the class, which obviously we used to do face to face, but because of COVID, we developed a new platform that would allow us to do this hands-on training remotely. So, the ASIM intermediate two day is now available remote, and not in Zoom or Microsoft Team meetings, but in our own platform that we built, so that we could still do hands-on live scenarios. So sheriff, I thought it'd be fun to have you kind of share with everybody, what, from your perspective, led you to want to do that, have the class, tell us the story. Michelle Cook:Sure. I'm going to take you back to 10 years ago, when I started getting involved in the Active Shooter Incident Management classes, and they were in person, and they were so valuable. I saw the value, and was actually able to apply the principles in the active shooter incident management class to my work, and teaching the officers and the deputies that I work with, the principals of thought and action. The more I saw the principles working, the more I bought into this training. Michelle Cook:So, when COVID struck and really took training, came to a halt for all of us. As a police leader, I knew that I could not go out there in the public and say, "Well, we had to stop training because of COVID." That is not acceptable in my line of work. So, when the ASIM intermediate came up, and you guys talked about this virtual platform, I will say I was a little hesitant. I'm a 30 year veteran, I believe in the old school sitting at a desk hands-on, but I realized, Bill, quickly, that really the technology is the wave of the future. In talking to my younger deputies, they were not fearful of a virtual class. Now, I will say some of my older deputies were hesitant, but we pushed forward anyway. I can tell you from sitting in the class during the virtual delivery, it was absolutely spot on. It really provided the ASIM principles in a virtual platform, and the training was fantastic. Bill Godfrey:Well, that's wonderful to hear, and I'm relieved. Honestly, I was a little nervous when you said you wanted to host this class because you're a perfectionist like me, and a stickler, and I thought, "Oh, please Lord, let everything go right." So, I was a little risk, but Michelle, from your perspective, how would you describe that platform and the experience to somebody who's never seen it? Because that's always a challenge for me trying to describe it to folks. Michelle Cook:Yeah. It really is a challenge, but the the way that I would describe it, or the way I do describe it to people is you have an active shooter incident. You have a critical incident, and we do as a profession, we've done so well at training how to tactically respond, and take the bad guy out. But active shooter incident management is so much bigger than that. So, through this virtual platform where you have everybody has a character that acts, and interacts with the other characters, you're able to learn the principles of the incident management. It's less about clearing a room, and more about taking command and control of the scene. With the virtual platform, you're able to learn these principles, and practice these principles, all while sitting at a desk. Bill Godfrey:I think that's a great summary. I might have to borrow some of that for some of the materials, when people ask for the explanation. I appreciate that. Michelle Cook:I won't charge you. I won't charge you. Bill Godfrey:Sheriff, one of the things I thought was kind of interesting, you had what, 30, 30, 40 people in the class from your side? Michelle Cook:Yes. Yes. Bill Godfrey:Then we had about, I don't know, it was another half dozen, or dozen, from across the country that all joined in. You made an interesting choice, which was even though this was a virtual delivery, you made a choice to pull all of your people to one central location. So, we had this group up at your place that was taking it together, and then these a half dozen other, a dozen other students from across the country that were all remote. How did that work? What led up to you to decide that? Michelle Cook:Well, Bill, that was a purposeful, deliberate decision, and there was a couple of reasons I did it that way. Number one, my county, we have four different law enforcement agencies in my county. Plus our two different fire rescue agencies in the county. So, by bringing all of these people in a room, even though they were working virtually, we were able to establish, re-establish, and build relationships. That was lacking a little bit in my county, is the working relationship, so bringing them all together. I also purposely planted some, what I call ringers, in this class. These are guys who truly understand the ASIM concepts, and are champions of the concepts, and so during break, I encourage these guys to lead the informal discussions. "Hey, what did you think about that?" "Hey, didn't that work out well?" So, really reemphasizing the concepts through the informal conversations that would occur at each break. Michelle Cook:So, although the technology, bringing everybody in one room, there was a draw or pull on the technology side, it really worked out well for us because now we're back to some traditional training, and my trainers who were in the class are ensuring that they include these other agencies that they've never really thought about before in our training. So for me, it was very purposeful, very deliberate because what I saw that lacked in my county was some working relationships, and making sure that I got buy-in by planting some ringers in the room who can continue the conversation. Bill Godfrey:That's really interesting. I knew you had a couple of strong people in the room that were taking the class, but I didn't know that you had kind of purposely planted, as you said, some ringers. What made you feel so passionately about that? That's an interesting idea. Michelle Cook:Well, policemen love training, they hate training all at the same time. Here we were introducing some new concepts, for many of these, in the class. At the same time, we were doing it virtually. For many in law enforcement, especially, guys that have about seven years on or more, they're still afraid of the technology. They're still concerned that there's a training value on using technology. So, I wanted to make sure that I did not have a strong personality in the middle of this class, throw his hands up and go, "This is BS. This is dumb. This is not worth it," because you're informal leaders in the class can really drive how people feel about the training. Michelle Cook:So, by planting some informal leaders that were ringers, I purposely drove the conversation to the positive, and then people who had questions about what they learned, or what was said, they naturally gravitated to these leaders, and said, "Well, tell me why this happened. Why do we have to go to staging? Why can't we self deploy from another agency?" And those conversations happened. So the guys that really understood the concepts, were able to, again, really drive home the purpose, or the principles, that were being taught on this virtual platform. Bill Godfrey:That's really interesting. Now I'm curious, because we did have a number of other students that were from different places in the country that were in that same class, interacting with your team, and the folks that you had on that location. Did you hear any feedback, or reactions, about what it was like working with people from different states in the class and in the responses? Michelle Cook:Yeah, it's interesting because there was some conversation, a little bit of a conversation about lingo and tactics, and the pace of response for some of them. For me, that really gave me an opportunity for a training point. I said, "Guy, those guys are from out of state. We don't have to worry about them responding to our incident. However, if we don't all work together as different agencies in the county, if we don't get all on the same page and train together, and have the same concepts, and use the same principles, when we haven't an active shooter incident in our county, we're going to see the same thing from those agency members. That's why we have to train together." So for me, it was really a point that I could drive home to everybody that was in the classroom because I had other agency leaders in there, "Hey guys, this is why it's so important to train. Those guys that were out from another state. We may be in the same county, but if we don't train together, we're going to experience what we experienced in this virtual platform." Michelle Cook:Now, let me say this though. The overall general feeling about working with guys from out of state was phenomenal. I mean, apparently whatever group was in there was really sharp. My guys were commenting on how really sharp they were. So, that was a plus, but the little nuances of not training together, were apparent. Again, for me, it really drove home the point. We can't just think that because we're all in the same county, we're going to respond the same. We have to train together. Bill Godfrey:Yeah. It's a really interesting perspective. I remember from your class, so one of the students was from Portland police, and there was a scenario where one of your fire department people, and I'm not really sure if it was with your county fire department or one of the other ones, but the Portland police officer was in the tactical position, and your firefighter was in the triage position. He just kept saying over and over and over again afterwards, he just could not get over the fact that he just spent 45 minutes running a live active shooter scenario with a guy that was literally across the country for him. I mean, I don't know that it could be much further, Florida over to Portland- Michelle Cook:Mm-hmm (affirmative). Bill Godfrey:... and they just ran it seamlessly. They were talking to each other like they were standing next to each other. They worked it together. It was a common language, and he just couldn't get over that this guy that's literally across the country in three hours, and three different time zones away, and they're working this incident together. I thought that was a pretty fascinating perspective. Michelle Cook:Well, but I think that speaks to the comprehensive, yet simple principles of Active Shooter Incident Management. It really does, kind of like ICS. If you have the basic principles, it's very simple, as long as you stick to the simple but comprehensive principles. If the guy in Portland happens to be on vacation in Florida, where you have an active shooter incident, he can jump right in seamlessly. I think that that's the value of the class and making sure that your class is diverse with people that could potentially respond together. The great thing about the virtual platform is you can do it virtually, so we can have people in neighboring agencies, neighboring county, all very realistically could respond to an incident with us, training with us. Bill Godfrey:So, I got to ask what were some of the good comments, and some of the negative comments? Because I'm sure that you heard both after the training. What was some of the good and bad that you heard? Michelle Cook:So good, absolutely was understandable, realistic. Boy, I could use this. I could use it on other calls that are critical in nature. Easy to learn. They loved the scenarios. They thought the scenarios were very realistic. Michelle Cook:The downs were, some of my old timers, didn't like the technology. That's understandable. I've told you several times, the technology sort of scares me too, as a 30 year law enforcement officer, but I go back to two things, and I would tell these guys this. Yes, you've been on 20 years. Yes, using a virtual system is a little bit cumbersome for you, but two things. One, younger deputies, younger officers, younger firemen, younger dispatchers, they're not scared of the technology. They've grown up with technology. Michelle Cook:The other thing too, as a long-time trainer, what I've realized, and what I've come to understand, is that different people learn from different platforms. So whether it's a tabletop, a real life exercise, or virtual training platform, the more ways that you can present the concepts on different platforms, the more opportunity you have to connect with your students, and the more opportunity you have to really drive home those principles and those training points that you want to get to. So my younger deputies loved, they thought they were sitting at home on their X-Box. They love the technology. The older guys, not so much, but they understood why we were going that way. Bill Godfrey:Well, I would expect to hear that. It would surprise me if you didn't have some of the old timers that didn't really care for it. I laughingly joked just a few weeks ago, during one of the classes, we had a support call come in, and I was on the phone with somebody trying to walk them through an issue they were having with their computer. And I go, "Well, just hit your escape key." And they go, "What's an escape key." And I thought, "Well, all right. I've just gone around the bend here." Bill Godfrey:So, I get it. There are people that are a little bit uncomfortable with it. I think the other piece of this is, and I'm really curious to see where this goes, but during COVID I know I got sick and tired of these virtual meetings, and the idea of one more virtual training. I think everybody just got accustomed to logging in and zoning out. I'm going to sign in. I'm going to turn on my video and my microphone for just a minute. I'm going to say hi to everybody, and then I'm going to mute my video and mute my microphone. Then I'm going to move on to another task, but I'm going to get credit for this class. People got used to that and really kind of developed a bad habit. Of course in this class, you can't do that. There's- Michelle Cook:No, you can't do that at all. Bill Godfrey:Yeah. You're engaged. It's like being in the classroom. You're present. The instructors are walking up to you asking you questions. You are moving around working through the scenarios. Yeah. We do get some surprise, I guess, but what do you think? Where do you think we'll go, once we get to the other side of COVID? We were forced to use all this virtual remote stuff, and now everybody's sick of it, so there's kind of a backlash, and at some point next year, I think it will kind of settle in. Where do you think we'll settle in on this? Michelle Cook:I think we'll settle with a leaning towards virtual. Again, I'll go back to the fact of, there's a couple of things. One, this is a different way, from a management standpoint, a relatively easy way, inexpensive way, to get good solid training in. Again, with the younger deputies, they grew up playing these games. ASIM intermediate is not a game, but they grew up playing these sorts of games, using technology, and they're not afraid of it. Michelle Cook:So, I love the idea that it's, again, another training platform that resonates with a lot of people. I think good police leaders, good fire leaders, good EMS leaders should really consider a variety of platforms when bringing in such an important topic like this. Because understanding that some of your members are going to like the hands-on in person training. Some of your members are going to like the virtual training. Some of your members are going to like another training platform that's out there. Really, I think it's a great opportunity to utilize different platforms that present the same concepts, because, again, it just really deepens and further seeds the embedding of this process of this response into the core your agency. Bill Godfrey:I think you're probably right. It's a fascinating topic, and I'm not really sure where it's going to go. Obviously, we have restarted our face-to-face deliveries as well, and we are going to maintain the virtual platform. In fact, we've got a couple of other classes that we're going to be rolling out on it. We've got some EOC training classes that are planned, and hospital active shooter course, and a couple of other things that are in the works. So, we're going to make use of the platform moving forward, but I'll be curious to see longterm what that impact is. Bill Godfrey:So, let me shift gears a little bit, Sheriff. You took over a county law enforcement agency. You're the big boss. The buck stops with you. Your agency, and your county or region has adopted the Active Shooter Incident Management checklist process, if you will. You've had this preliminary training, which obviously didn't hit all of your people. I know you've got way more people than that. So, what's next? Where are you going to go from here? Michelle Cook:Well, for us, it's a couple of things. Again, deliberately putting some ringers in the class that really appreciate and understand the processes. We're continuing to push it out. In fact, my training division, which consists of several SWAT guys, and the SWAT guys, anything that's active shooter, your SWAT guys tend to give it credibility if they've bought into it. So, that was part of the deliberate processes, getting those guys to buy in. So, they're continuing the training. When they go out and do the traditional room clearing, and suspect mitigation training, and when they're out there doing that, they're implementing the principles that they learned in the ASIM intermediate into our routine training at our agency. For me, we're going to continue to push those principles and concepts out. Michelle Cook:I will tell you at my previous agency, where I was a chief of police, they even went one step further. The guys on the street, in any hot call or priority one call, they would use the ASIM principles. The person in charge of the hot zone declares themselves tactical, and he will say if staging was needed, he would set up upstaging, or she would set up staging. So, whether it was a robbery in progress, or burglary in progress, they carried it one step further out there. I'm hoping to see that with my new agency, sort of organically letting that happen. I think we're heading that way, but as a police leader, continue pushing the principles. Michelle Cook:I tell people that management is a perishable skill. If you don't have a plan, a training plan, to continue pushing it, people will lose that skill. So for us, it's the informal training, the formal training, and then reaching back out to seek new pathways every couple of years, and bringing the training in for a refresher, so to speak, is where I'm headed with it. Bill Godfrey:It's so interesting to hear you say that. I can't remember if it was last week or a week before, but just in the last two weeks, we had a podcast episode where the whole episode was about other uses of the ASIM checklist, besides just active shooter. To me, it's one of those funny little secrets that we chuckle about because it is what you just said. The ASIM checklist process is a standardized way of approaching these things, and it doesn't have to be an active shooter call for it to be very useful in laying out the roles. Michelle Cook:Absolutely. I mean, my folks used it in a robbery to a bank in progress, we've used it on house fire calls, just to avoid over convergence, who's in charge of the hot zone. We're evacuating due to a fire, not due to an active shooter, but still a lot of the same things are happening. Again, as a long time police practitioner, and two decades on the street, so to speak, I absolutely, without a doubt, 100% believe, and have seen, the ASIM checklist principles applied to other hot calls. When they're using it for those other calls, when the big call does come in, when the active shooter incident does come in, they're not looking for their checklists in the car, so to speak. It is in their mind because they've been using it on the hot calls already. Bill Godfrey:I think that's wonderful. I always knew you were a law enforcement leader with a lot of vision. I know I've told you that before, and you always roll your eyes at me when I say it. You're probably rolling your eyes right now. Michelle Cook:Probably. Bill Godfrey:It was decades ago that you saw through some of the, for the benefit of the audience, I say frequently to people, and to the other instructors, FEMA and the fire service did a horrible disservice to law enforcement. When we convinced you that ICS meant an 18 Wheeler semi-truck of paperwork is going to back up to your scene, and vomit paper on your scene. That's really not what ICS is about, but I mean- Michelle Cook:Right. Bill Godfrey:... it was at least two decades ago that you kind of saw through that and said, "Wait a minute, there's something of value in here for law enforcement." So, you've been a practitioner of it for a very, very long time. Michelle Cook:Absolutely. Bill Godfrey:You're not a Johnny come lately. You've been doing this a long time, but let me ask you this, we'll wrap up here on this final closing thought. What would you say to your fellow law enforcement leaders who are the sheriff, the chief of police, the deputy chief, chief deputy at the county Sheriff's office, what would you say to them about how to get started and make things a little bit better? Maybe they've done some contact training. They've done a little bit of move to the threat training, but not a whole lot beyond that, haven't done any integrated stuff with their fire EMS agencies. What would your advice be to them? Michelle Cook:Well, the first thing I would tell him is I think you're morally, ethically, and legally obligated to move beyond just dealing with the suspect. Police leaders can't say, "Well, I taught him how to shoot the bad guy, but all these other bad things happened because we weren't prepared." Study after study, after action report, after action report show and prove that the incident management is really where things fall. Unfortunately, people die because scenes are not managed correctly. So, as a police leader, as a fire leader, as a EMS leader, you have an obligation legally, morally and ethically to take the next step, which is the scene management, the active shooter or critical incident team management. Michelle Cook:I'll say this, and I've said it before, because again, I was on the street for 20 years. I was the commander of our SWAT team for three years. I led a patrol division for a number of years. The principles at ASIM are simple, comprehensive, and they work. If you, as a police leader, are not moving your team to the next step of scene management, when it does happen in your jurisdiction, you're going to be the one at the end of the day that has to answer for why your folks messed up. And it's not that they messed up, it's that you didn't take them to the next step of training, Bill Godfrey:Sheriff Michelle Cook, thank you so much for taking the time to join me today, and to talk about this and share your experience. I know I speak with fondness from the other instructors. We miss you. We look forward when the time comes that your life slows down a little bit, that you can join us doing some of the training classes, but we know in the meantime, you're doing very, very important work on the other side. So, thank you for carving the time out to, to make this happen. Thanks for being here. Michelle Cook:Absolutely, Bill. I appreciate the opportunity. Thank you, sir. Bill Godfrey:Absolutely. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us for this podcast. We hope you enjoyed it. If you have not subscribed to the podcast, please do so wherever you're consuming your podcasts. I'd like to also give a shout out, thanks to our producer, Karla Torres for putting these things together for us. Until next time, stay safe.

Episode 38: Tips for Working Together at Tactial, Triage and TransportA discussion about tips and tricks at the tactical, triage and transport location.Bill Godfrey:Welcome to the Active Shooter Incident Management podcast. My name is Bill Godfrey, your host of the podcast. Today's topic, we are going to be talking about some tips and tricks for working together at the tactical, triage, and transport location, which is an interesting challenge. We've got quite a laundry list of things I think we're going to be able to go through here today.We have with us three of the instructors from C3 Pathways, Ken Lamb, on the law enforcement side. Ken, good to have you back in the house.Ken Lamb:Yes, sir. Happy to be here.Bill Godfrey:All right. And we've got our world traveler, Bruce Scott, from the fire EMS side, like myself. Bruce, good to have you back in town.Bruce Scott:Thanks a lot, Bill. Glad to be here.Bill Godfrey:And we have Pete Kelting from the law enforcement side. Peter, good to have you back.Pete Kelting:Great to be here, Bill. Thank you.Bill Godfrey:All right. So today's topic. We're going to be talking about tactical, triage and transport, and some tips and tricks on how to make that more effective, more efficient, work together. Basically take some of the friction out.So I think, before we get too far into this, we probably ought to just take a minute and make sure that everybody understands. When we talk about tactical, triage, and transport, what those functions do. What's the main thing that happens at those locations before we start talking about how to work better?Pete, tell me a little bit from the law enforcement perspective, what are the key things that the tactical group supervisor needs to be doing on the law enforcement side to execute their mission?Pete Kelting:Yeah. When the tactical supervisor gets on scene, they've got to get that situational awareness. So everything has been going on. They may have been listening to the calls, they're responding, but when they plant the flag where they're going to be, they need to get that situational awareness. They need to talk with the contact teams and see what's going on, determine casualties, initial casualty count from the law enforcement side. They've got to see what additional resources need to support those. Either a solo officer response, or the contact team is down there working. And then they need to request for the fire department to come join them at that location. That's how that tactical, triage, and transport start to form up, and to where the communications can happen immediately, to support what's going on downrange.Bill Godfrey:So that tactical position, Pete, on the law enforcement side, primarily responsible for making the security picture better in the downrange, everything in the hot and the warm zone, they're trying to make that better.Pete Kelting:Absolutely. Putting the resources downrange that need to engage the threat that's taken place. And then, begin to look at the perimeters and the security cordons, to start to make the other resources available to come downrange. But that tactical supervisor has to request that fire department resource to come to set up triage and transport next to them, to start moving into what is next.Bill Godfrey:All right. Perfect segue. Bruce, give us a quick rundown. What are the responsibilities of triage and transport group supervisors at this forward area where tactical, triage, and transport are working together?Bruce Scott:Right. So I was standing next to Pete. Pete is my tactical group supervisor. He's got his folks down there doing security work. He's telling me, or I'm listening to what he's saying, or hearing on the radio, basically, what the security image looks like at that particular point in time, as well as some initial patient counts. As his contact teams are moving downrange, and given those, some initial patient counts, myself, as triage, gives me an idea of how many rescue task force I'm going to need. And if I'm the transport group supervisor, how many transport units I'm going to need. So it allows me to start painting my resource picture right off the bat, just because I'm co-located with Pete, and we haven't even sent anybody downrange yet, but we're already starting to go to work.Bill Godfrey:All right. Fantastic. I think that's a perfect segue into us talking about the first issue, which is co-locating together. So Ken, why don't you lead us off, talking about that?Ken Lamb:Right. In law enforcement, we've recognized that we have to have both triage and transport working together with tactical to ensure that we are beating that clock, and that we are getting those impacted individuals to the hospital as soon as possible. The only way we can do that, is if we are tied at the hip with both triage and transport. And I hate to be over-simplistic, but teamwork makes a dream work. So if we can be tied together with those individuals, and we can be sharing that information as it's coming in, and not have to worry about relaying it over a radio that's probably already being tied up, or sending a runner, obviously that would equal out in us to having more efficient response.Now what's critical, as far as being a policeman in the tactical position is, identifying that warm zone, where we can link up with those fire/rescue personnel, and ensuring that we have adequate security measures in place. And preferably a position of cover, whether it be a building, or a fire engine, or some solid cover, so that we're giving our fire rescue partners the warm and fuzzy, that, hey, you can link up here with me, and this is a safe approach.Because understandably, some fire/rescue personnel, this could be a new concept, or they could be hesitant to approach that warm zone area. And they want to know that their security is taken care of, so we're either providing that officer to provide security, or we're identifying a clearly identifiable location for that link up, to then work that a tactical, triage, and transport function, so that we can be more efficient and effective in getting those individuals the medical care, they need.Bill Godfrey:Interesting insight. Bruce, what are your thoughts? What are the key reasons that you see that tactical, triage, and transport need to be shoulder to shoulder, working together?Bruce Scott:Well, first off, I think Ken brought up a really great point, and the fact is that number one, I have to feel secure that I can get my fire/EMS folks to fill those two group supervisor positions, the tactical and the transport group supervisor, co-located with the triage and transport group supervisors, co-located with the tactical group supervisor. I need to know that I can get them there in a relatively safe place.But most importantly, as a triage group supervisor, my primary role is to get my RTFs downrange, and I can not do that until my tactical group supervisor tells me that that warm zone has been established, where they're going to be able to go work. And as Ken alluded to, if he has to tell me that on the radio, we get, radio traffic gets lost, we get lost in that... We're trying to beat that clock, and time is hugely important. Then if, he's standing right next to me and says, "Hey, Bruce, the casualty collections point is set up in the cafeteria. It's a warm zone. We're ready for RTFs to get down there." I'm very sure at that point, that he has set enough security in place for my folks to get down there and work.So starting off, that's the number one goal. If I'm going to try to get my folks downrange, the guy that knows that information is standing right beside me, and he can give it to me.Bill Godfrey:Pete, what are your thoughts on it?Pete Kelting:I think exactly what the two of them were talking about is extremely important to make it efficient, and what we have to do to make that happen is training. Training and relationships. If we don't train that, then the fire department, our fire friends are going to respond the way they've always responded, either to the staging or the command post. And we're going to lose that communication, tied at the hip, as Ken was referring to. So, relationships and training and interoperability. And if there's a fallback from that, can the fire department in that jurisdiction hop up on the law enforcement channel? Since 911, our inter-operability is supposed to be to that extent friendly, in that sense, in delegation of authority to operate across all channels. And if you train with that, and you're able to hop up on the channel, if you didn't happen to co-locate, you can at least still get the information from being on that particular tactical channel from the FD side.Bill Godfrey:Yeah. I think you guys are all hitting right on it. From my point of view, it's at a very basic level. We need each other to do the job. Law enforcement needs the medical piece of this, and the medical needs the security piece of this. And it takes all of us working together as a unified team, as one team, to make that happen. I think it's a real base level there.Okay. So we've got tactical, triage, and transport co-located together at a location where they're able to work together face to face. Hopefully, that's a safe location, that the fire department or EMS were able to come up to, if not, they got to get an escort. I think Ken mentioned that. They got to get some security to bring them up. But picking that location... I don't know, Ken, Pete, before we leave that, let's talk a little bit about that for a second, for the location. What are the kinds of decision-making things that should go through the mind of the fifth man? As they're getting ready to assume that position, how are they going to pick their location? What's the split-second decisions that are running through your head, on how to pick a good spot?Ken Lamb:Oh wow, yeah. I think it's really critical to understand that the fifth man doesn't necessarily have to be a supervisor. I believe in the law enforcement community, we could do a lot of work in educating our line level officers to understand what the fifth man is, and the responsibility in finding this location, so that they could stand up the tactical position, and knowing that. You have to have a good situational awareness of what is going on in the target location, but also, you can be detached so that you can act as that funnel. So when resources are coming to you, your attention doesn't have to be directed on a target location. You can take your attention off of it in a secure area and direct those resources to whatever their task and their assignment is.So in my mind, when I think of what would be a perfect location, it would be a building that was between you, or some sort of structure that was between you and the target location. And if I couldn't find a building, then that's, I think would be a great time to get a large vehicle. If you had a tactical vehicle, you had the accessibility to that on scene. You could utilize that. You could also utilize a fire engine. Something that that could provide a decent amount of cover, so not only are you covered from the potential subject that's at large, but you could also provide cover for all those resources that would be meeting you at that location to receive their assignment.Bruce Scott:I think it's really important, Bill, that we have an understanding of the fire department culture. Right? So for years, and years, and years, we've heard that we're not going to put our folks in harm's way until the law enforcement tells me it's safe. And having that understanding that we've built those relationships, as Pete has alluded to, and that when they're ready for my folks to move up as the triage and transport group supervisors, that they've actually taken that into consideration.And again, I think Pete alluded to it earlier is, the only way to do that is to train together, plan together, train together and build those relationships so we feel comfortable in that. I have a feeling that the natural pushback around the country is, if that fifth man, or tactical group supervisor, is set up in a too hot zone, we are going to drag our feet, putting our folks up there, and we got to really work through that. So that the training needs to happen on the law enforcement side to say, when I establish that tactical group supervisor position, I have to take into account, pretty soon, there's going to be a triage and transport group supervisor with me, and I need to factor that into my location planning.It is basically, the trust that I alluded to earlier, as Bruce was saying. The more we train the more similar faces see each other, and start to rely upon each other's trust. If Bruce says to me, "Hey, come with me and dress out. I can take you through this burning building." I'm going to trust in that he can get me through this burning building, and I'm going to come out with no problems. No flames and suit and scorches on me.The same thing with us, tactical. If we train enough, and we pick the locations that provide that warm and fuzzy feeling, as Ken's talking about, then when it comes to real world, there's no hesitation that the tactical, the triage, and the transport are going to end up locating next to each other and working efficiently.Bill Godfrey:Fantastic. So Bruce, Pete said a little bit earlier, he talked about the importance of getting situational awareness for the tactical group supervisor. When triage and transport show up, how does that start? You're part of the team. You and I are part of the team. You're triage, your transport. You need to get your information first. What are you looking for? What does that sound like?Bruce Scott:I got to tell you, one of the first things I'm going to ask Pete is, have you got any kind of initial casualty count at this point? I want to know that information pretty quick. And secondly is, what is your, the security posture, as far as where the casualty collection point is going to be? Where they're moving these folks to, and what that security posture looks like. So that I can begin planning accordingly from the triage group supervisor position, to be able to get my rescue task forces into that warm zone, that casualty collection point, and they can start doing their work. So the very first conversation that Pete and I are going to have is number one, what does your initial casualty count look like? And number two, what's our security posture downrange?Bill Godfrey:You mentioned the zones, and I think that's a really interesting area to talk about. Something that comes up frequently in our training is, this cultural myth within the fire and EMS service, that the line between the hot zone and the warm zone is like, the line of death. This side of the line, you die, this side of the line, you're fine. Except it's not that clear cut at all. There's a lot of gray, a lot of shades. I often say it looks more like an amoeba than a bunch of circles around each other. Ken, what are some of the things that occur in trying to define what is hot, what is warm?Ken Lamb:Right. As a matter of defining both the hot and warm zone, the hot zone, we want to make sure we're crystal clear on where it's located, because it you're assuming that you're under a direct threat, so that a suspect could potentially impact you, when you enter in the hot zone.Now, what I personally like to do is, point out clear identifiable marks of interest within the location to say, once you pass that light pole, or once you pass that building, you are now entering the hot zone, or that building is the warm zone. Because we all understand where the building is located, everyone. It's a common location language, okay, that building. And it's a little easier to say, "Well, the parking lot.", are easier than identifying say, the parking lot is the hot zone. The parking lot can mean one thing to one person, and another thing to another, to a second person.So when we identify it, and in my opinion, we want to be clear and specific on the point that we're identifying as that line of demarcation between the hot and warm zone, so that it has a common understanding, and everyone is crystal clear, as far as when I'm leaving the warm zone and I'm entering the hot zone, I have now stepped into a different level of security, where I need to have my head on a swivel and ensure that I'm covering all potential advantage points that the suspect may have access to.Bruce Scott:Hey, Bill, I think it's important that we also mention that there are no absolutes in this business. Right? So if Ken or Pete roll up and go, hey, their initial description of the incidence is, we're making the entire campus a hot zone, and you have to understand, that's just that moment in time. It is not an absolute that's going to be the entire time. As they gain situational awareness, as they get their contact teams downrange and start beginning to get a better picture on what's going on, those zones may very well change minute to minute, and we just have to be prepared to adapt. I think we've talked about it on the fireside before, when we talk about zones, they're not concentric circles. That's the way we grew up in the hazard materials world. That's what you and I grew up, that they're concentric circles.But we have to understand that that situation is evolving at all times. Warm may move, and hot may move, and we just have to be prepared to adapt.Pete Kelting:And like Ken said, if I'm the tactical command and Bruce rolls up as triage, I'm going to clearly paint that picture to him and say, "Hey, listen, this is what's been going on. This is where our threat is. We still have an active shooter in this area, but we've got plenty of contact teams engaging that active shooter. And we also have additional contact teams of trailer teams, setting up safety cordons. And we have got to get RTFs working downrange right here." Because the first CCP, and the first request for RTFs, come from the law enforcement side, and we have to be crystal clear with each other, that we feel that we can make that happen.And so, if we paint that picture from the information coming downrange, and again, you've heard me say this before, that information coming downrange comes from folks that take charge downrange, and know what it means to pass that information up, for the bosses above them to start making those decisions. And so when that happens, Bruce feels, "Okay, we can get those RTFs down there." But remember, RTFs are comprised with law and fire for a reason. We're doing the best we can to delineate between hot and warm. But even though we're operating in a warm, at any given time, it could turn hot again. That's where that training into, rescue task forces recognize that, and that there's no hesitation.Bill Godfrey:There are no absolutes.Ken Lamb:And typically, I'm just kind of thinking this as we talk about it, we always think about things, at least in my point of view, as daytime. But these can happen at night, and that adds an additional complexity. So how are we identifying these areas at night? And that's where I think, if you have these thoughts and you do these training with your partners, then you discuss the usage of a chem light, so that you can identify, well, this is the difference between the hot zone and the cold zone. So that it's, again, it's crystal clear to the fire/rescue personnel that they have security measures in place, and they're comfortable before they move downrange to start providing that rescue.Bill Godfrey:So let me see if I can summarize this a little bit. So, zones are fuzzy at best. They're not absolutes. Bruce, I think you said that very eloquently. They're not absolutes. But they give us a pretty good sense of where we can and can't work, or where we should or shouldn't work. And we have to have a little faith and trust in each other, which hopefully has been built with some relationships and some joint training, to know that a law enforcement officer who's downrange, who understands darn good and well, what it means to be asking for an unarmed paramedic to come downrange to help. When they say, "I'm ready for the medics.", send them. That we can take that, and have some faith and some trust in it, that we can go execute that. Is that fair?Ken Lamb:Absolutely.Bruce Scott:I think it's fair. And the only thing you have to overcome is that fire department supervisor saying, "Is the bad guy in custody? Is the bad guy down? Is there absolutely no threat to my folks?" That's what we have to overcome.Bill Godfrey:Yeah. And that's a cultural challenge in some ways. Okay. So let's talk about sharing information at your work site there. So tactical triage and transportive got a location. They are shoulder to shoulder. Tacticals work in the law enforcement channel. Triage and transport, of course, work in the medical channel. Tactical's running the contact teams, who hopefully have selected a casualty collection point and begun moving some of the casualties, if not all of them. Triage has worked in the medical channel, trying to get those rescue task forces pushed forward. What are the kinds of information that needs to be shared back and forth between them, between each other face to face, in order for them to do their jobs? Pete?Pete Kelting:Yeah, I think we've talked about that, and just as we've been discussing all the other items is again, the most common thing is painting the picture, and what security measures we have in place, when Bruce rolls up, that he's able to glean that from me.Now, a couple of things working in any position is, do we have enough staffing there? So tactical command, I would say, as quickly as you can to get an assistant, a scribe, or a deputy, or somebody that's there to take notes of what you're doing. And then if you're busy on the radio, when Bruce rolls up, that person can brief Bruce up. Or as you see in our curriculum, we have the tactical T in the transport, triage T. Those are designed so that we can document the information that's coming up to the tactical command, and share that quickly, either by the FD representative, just looking at the command board, and seeing what's taken place, and starting to make decisions. Or having that ability again, to have that briefing that sides up to what's going on downrange.Ken Lamb:I think an excellent point that Pete mentioned is, the usage of a board to display information, and using the vehicle in displaying that information, so that when fire personnel, or triage, or transport come up, they have a place to go, a one stop shop, of what has occurred and what the objectives are, so that they get the warm and fuzzy about what you're trying to accomplish. And even moreso is, I think, on the law side, we forget to brief up the security for the rescue task force. Because we just assume the rescue task force is working for triage and transport, so they got it. No, no. We need to make sure they understand what the responsibility is, and what we're trying to accomplish.Bill Godfrey:Bruce, from your point of view on the triage and transport side, what are the kinds of things that you're hearing and seeing that need to be shared back with tactical?Bruce Scott:Obviously, as my rescue task forces are downrange, and they start identifying maybe a better, or an ambulance exchange point, or what the true patient count is. And then we say this, "Hey, outside the cafeteria is going to be our ambulance exchange point. Hey Pete, can we make sure that we have enough security at that AP? That's the AP that works best for RTFs, or downrange. And this is our current patient count." And giving him that information, and then he certainly would share with me when he has enough security there, so that I can get my ambulances downrange, my transport units downrange, and get those folks off the scene, and to the hospital. And the faster that happens, again, we're trying to shave those seconds off the clock.And again, "Hey, Pete, ambulance change point's going to be outside the cafeteria. You good with that?" Right? And if he is good with that, "Pete, can you make sure we have enough security there, so I can start bringing my ambulances downrange? Hey, Pete, what's the best way for my ambulances to get there? Are you good with that, me bringing them down Avenue A?" Right? So those are the conversations that Pete and I have to have. Then when he says, "Yes, Bruce, security is there." Good. Ambulance one, or rescue 16, whatever, it is, we're ready for you. Then we can call staging, and get those ambulances out of the staging and to the ambulance exchange point.Pete Kelting:And it even starts, Bill, with the first request for CCP location from the contact teams downrange, when Bruce arrives. That I'm able to tell him, "Hey, this is our first location, the CCP, our contact teams downrange." It felt that it's accessible, it's defensible. They're able to move most of the casualties there. There may be a need to leapfrog from room to room, or move into the structure a little bit more, but, that there's a good feeling that that first CCP is set up, so when Bruce decides to send that RTF downrange, that that can take place.And then, just adding on the AEP, the amble exchange point. You hear us a lot of times coaching up folks in the training that resource is limited sometimes. So, overwatch, using high ground and folks to be able to look at that long road of ingress in with RTFs moving downrange, or ambulances moving downrange, to either CCP or AP, can provide again, an additional layer of warm and fuzzy feeling, that Ken was talking about. So that our fire folks that are working with us, trust us that we're bringing their folks in safely.Bill Godfrey:So lot of information there. Let's talk a little bit about the AP for a second, and the overwatch issue. You mentioned training. One of the things that we see pretty commonly is, as soon as we start getting ready to transport patients, is the transport group supervisor wants to push 15 ambulances up to the ambulance exchange point, which is not a good idea. Ken, talk a little bit about some of the security challenges that you face to secure an image exchange point, when not one or two ambulances show up, but when four or five show up.Ken Lamb:Yeah. Well, you're expanding your footprint, which is requiring additional resources. And the additional resources you get, you obviously need to make sure they're briefed on what they're trying to accomplish. They have different angles they're trying to cover, which complicates their job. Particularly, if the suspect is still outstanding. Right? I think the easy response is, if the suspect has been neutralized. But the more complex response is, a suspect is outstanding, and we've identified and established this warm zone to move in, and established the ambulance exchange point. When we take the latter situation, we need to ensure that we're moving those ambulances up, and in a manner that we can provide security for. And again, that's a detailed conversation that needs to take place between tactical, as well as transport and triage, to say, "This is the amount of ambulances that I can support with my security downrange." And if you're expecting to move more ambulances up, well, then I need some additional time, and work with staging to get some resources up here to provide an expanded security perimeter.Bruce Scott:Yeah. And I'd like to jump in here if I can Bill, because if we're having that conversation with our tactical group supervisor, and I'm the transport group supervisor, and he's letting me know, or he or she are letting me know, that we are very limited, we do have some security in place, but it's not absolute. I'm not going to send 15 ambulances. Transport to staging. One ambulance to the ambulance exchange point. When they're in route to the hospital, go ahead and start the second ambulance. Right? Go ahead and delegate that to your staging manager, let them get downrange, with a complete understanding that ambulance, there's nothing but big targets. Right?And again, it sounds like I'm saying the same thing over and over again, there are no absolutes, right? We're going to bring them into that warm zone where that ambulance exchange point is, get them off, bring another one in. Limit our exposure with our folks and not stack 15 ambulances at the ambulance exchange point.Pete Kelting:You've heard us coach up before Bill, in the sense of also contact teams downrange knowing that. What's their task and purpose? If they're done with finding the bad actor, and they're moving into other things, but they talk back to tactical and say, "Hey, we've got a couple of contact teams that can be repurposed." That's information for the tactical officer to know, because we struggle sometimes where we probably need to bubble out from downrange to put resources on ambulance exchange points, and try to hustle up contact teams, or trailer teams, to come in.So, it's again about painting that picture, and situational awareness. You look at Pulse. Obviously, they had the hospital right down the road. But even look at Las Vegas, that you've got to get a lot of ambulances down to red patients that need to be transported, and that frequency and volume is going to go quick. And so we have to be prepared for that, to be able to protect that ingress of ambulances going down. But then again, like Ken said, not to overload it and increase our footprint before we're ready for it.Bill Godfrey:Pete, I completely agree with you, and I think it's probably important to remind everybody that the whole reason that we're trying to do this ambulance exchange point, as opposed to just shuttling patients away from the impacted site to a safe area, quote, unquote, safe area, where we can load ambulances in a cold zone. It's not that you can't do that, it's just slow. If you're-Bruce Scott:Kind of exhausting.Bill Godfrey:And exhausting, yeah. If you want to save lives, and everybody who gets in this business, they want to save lives. If you want to save lives, then you got to take minutes off the clock. You have to save time. And so these things are part of the process that's just necessary to get to taking that time off the clock. I think these are all critical elements.Let's go around the table and see. I'd like to hear your number one tip that you, when you're coaching for tactical, triage, and transport, what's the tip that you give the most often? What's the thing that comes up the most?Ken Lamb:Get a scribe, and someone to operate the radio. Because there is so much going on, and you're trying. If you're doing it right, in my opinion, you're thinking strategy to avoid a blue on blue, particularly on some of the larger structures, and it just takes time to think it through. And it's difficult to think through these concepts and strategies if you're constantly answering the radio and trying to write down notes. So I know it's a really simple trick, but in my experience, you're never short resources. You're going to have people that are going to come to you and say, "What can I do? Where do you need me?" And in those cases, if you've recognized that we're addressing the priority, and we're addressing the active threat, and we have resources that are also addressing rescue, then start grabbing individuals to assist you in the radio operation, as well as writing down information.Bill Godfrey:I think that's great. Bruce, what's on your list?Bruce Scott:My number one thing is talk to your tactical group supervisor. If I'm the triage group supervisor, and I'm ready to move my resources, or I'm anticipating what my resources are going to be doing downrange, I don't know how many times in these trainings we've heard, "Well, I'm ready for my rescue task force." I'm like, "Oh, have you talked to your tactical group supervisor? Do they have a casualty collection point? Is it warm?" Have those communications. Don't be shy. If you have a question or information, turn to the person that has the best picture of what's going on downrange. Don't work in a bubble. Don't work in a silo. Reach over and talk to your tactical group supervisor, get that information from them, and then make the decision based on that information.Bill Godfrey:Pete, how about you?Pete Kelting:I think mine is, really putting a priority on identifying and delineating that warm zone from the hot zone. Because you really don't have an idea how long that hot zone, whatever size it's going to be, where the bad actor is going to be, is going to go on. It could be a barricaded situation and that hot zone's going to be there. So that priority of really not waiting to get that warm zone identified and secured up with the security forces and cordons done, to get those RTFs downrange. You have to get the RTFs downrange.Bill Godfrey:I think mine would probably be, and I think this is true for triage, transport, and for tactical. Don't get hung up on what the casualty numbers were 10 minutes ago, or the colors, or the numbers of colors. Don't get hung up on that. Because they're never going to match. They're not going to add up, so don't get wrapped around the axle. Focus on what is left. Triage to RTF one. What do you have left at your location? And if you're working more than one casualty collection point, triage to RTF, whichever, at the other casualty collection point. What do you guys have left? And just focus on what's left.One of the most common issues I see is, we tend to lock on to those early numbers. Then, if they don't add up 20 minutes later, then something's wrong, and it's not. You got, greens have become yellows, yellows have become reds, reds have become black tags. You have black tags that were initially labeled as reds, that were never really reds. I mean, the numbers are just going to be a moving target. So I think that's mine. Everybody got enough for another one?Ken Lamb:I do.Bill Godfrey:Go around again?Ken Lamb:Absolutely.Bill Godfrey:All right, Ken, hit it.Ken Lamb:I think in the tactical position, because you have so much that's going on, it's very easy to lose the concept of managing your resources downrange. And oftentimes, these contact teams are mixed resources and they vary in experience, and you could... I work on a midnight watch. I could have a contact team full of one month probation officers. So they need my leadership and guidance as far as what to do next. They understand the basic concept of stop the killing, stop the dying, but they also need to know, do you have security in place? Do you have an immediate action plan? Are you providing medical?And I need to be listening on the radio, or have someone who's assisting me, listen on the radio, to ensure that they're thinking about some of those contingencies, and they're planning on addressing the contingencies, if they come up, so that they can be more efficient in their response. Because if we've learned anything in these situations, you cannot be stuck in concrete. And your job is not done when the threat is eliminated, there are more tasks that need to be completed.Bill Godfrey:Yeah, that's a great one. Bruce, how about you? You got another one?Bruce Scott:Yeah. It's going to come back to that same thing, communication. Right now, as a triage group supervisor, if I'm starved for information, who do I get that from? Whether it's my RTFs downrange. Right? Give me that information. What's my viable patient count now? Right? So I'm going to be starved for information so I can make decisions. So consistently, and if you come back a third time, I'm probably say something very similar, because communication is where we seem to fail just about every time. And people think we fail because our radios don't work, it's because we don't turn to each other and have a conversation about what our needs are, what we're trying to accomplish. And we're all working, rowing the boat in the same direction, if you will. And so much of that could be solved if we just learn to communicate with each other.Bill Godfrey:Pete, how about you? You got another one?Pete Kelting:Yeah. Kind of like Bruce, I was going to say, delineate between the hot and warm zone, because it's that important. But reassess, constantly reassess your strategy. We say on the gun range, "Did it hit, did it work?" If it's not hitting, not working, then we need to change our strategy. So we've got to constantly reassess. There's going to be more than one CCP in a lot of these incidents, there's going to be potentially more than one AEP. So as Ken alluded to, the footprint's going to expand, sometimes out of our control, and we've got to reassess, be flexible, and be adaptive at the tactical command.Bill Godfrey:I'm not going to torture you guys, come around another pass. But I think my last one would be, we all have to work together and communicate together, but it's important for us to stay in our lane and remember what our role is. What I'm specifically thinking about is, before triage and transport, get to the tactical group supervisor position. Then tactical owns all of it. Their own in the contact teams, their own in the security, their own in the medical. They're trying to get patient information, and numbers, and all of that kind of stuff. And it's very overwhelming. My job when I get there as the triage group supervisor, once I get briefed up, should be to take all of that off of the plate of the tactical group supervisor, and frankly, the contact teams downrange.Once we get stood up on the fire/EMS side, we should be managing that medical piece. It shouldn't be necessary after we've stood up, to continue to have medical information being transmitted, and taking up space on the law enforcement channel. We should be taking that off of their plate. That's our responsibility. And it does require a little bit of shifting gears, but I think it's important, because in the beginning, tactical has a whole lot on their plate. There's a lot going on and our job should be, not just to do our job, but to help them out. And if I execute my job by staying in my lane and keeping tactical from having to mess with that other stuff, then I've helped.Bruce Scott:The alibi I would have to that though, Bill, is the beauty of triage, transport, and tactical all standing together. If I can't get it, if I'm on an RTF and I cannot get my message to the triage group supervisor, my law enforcement element that's with me, can certainly tell that tactical guy, and he can lean over and say, "Hey, Bruce, this is what we're hearing from RTF one."Bill Godfrey:Absolutely. And we have seen that time and time again. And of course it goes the other way as well.Bruce Scott:Yeah.Bill Godfrey:If triage can't get ahold of an RTF, "Hey tactical, can you get ahold of this RTF and tell him to answer the radio?"Bruce Scott:Yeah.Bill Godfrey:And tactical will call down to the law enforcement element on RTF three and go, "Hey, triage has been calling you. Get your medical guys to answer the radio.Bruce Scott:Absolutely.Bill Godfrey:Yeah.Pete Kelting:Bill, if I can add as a summary, in a sense, from a law enforcement profession to fire side profession is that, me as a tactical commander, I want to be successful in the sense of putting the bad guy down, or contain the bad guy, or winning on my side. But I also have to remember that, Bruce coming in as a triage or a transport, he wants to be successful. He has his goals to be successful. We all have our bosses to be successful too, and I have to show and share as much information to make him successful at that tactical man as he does back to us. So that's the important thing, knowing the success of both of us is what is important.Bill Godfrey:Pete, I think that's a fantastic way to summarize it and wrap it up, so we will leave that one there.Gentlemen, thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for tuning in. We hope you enjoyed this. If you haven't subscribed to the podcast, please do so. Click the subscribe button on your device, or wherever you consume them. If you have any suggestions or questions for us for future podcasts, please email those to us at info@c3pathways.com. Again, that's info@c3pathways.com.Also, I'd like to say a special thanks to our producer, Karla Torres, for doing a great job editing these things. We do not always get these. We are not the one cut wonders, and she does a fantastic job putting these things together for us. Until next time, stay safe.

Khandaan: A Bollywood Podcast is back with a selection of current streaming finds! We are joined once more by our old friend @Get_Filmy to discuss: Shownotes: Intro: A message to our listeners 15.10 DHOOP KI DEEWAR on Zee5, a controversial-ish cross border romance starring Sajal Aly and Ahad Raza Mir 32.15 Shakeela and Amrita discuss SHERNI starring Vidya Balan and a tiger, both of whom deserved better 44.00 Amrita saw JAGAME THANDIRAM starring Dhanush, an interesting mashup of style and real world politics 1.00.35:  Asim and Amrita watched RAY on Netflix and have lots of thoughts about the episode starring Manoj Bajpayee and Giriraj Rao We're going on a short break as we deal with some personal issues but we will be back soon! Don't forget to subscribe! Make sure you don't miss any future live events, subscribe to our Khandaan Podcast YouTube page. Khandaan now has an Instagram page. Follow us for some masti over there too! Follow and subscribe to Amrita's new Youtube Book channel by going here! Find us on Apple Podcasts! and Stitcher! and AudioBoom! and iHeartRadio! and Spotify! and Google Podcasts! And now you can also listen to us on Hubhopper! Follow us on Twitter! Like us on Facebook! You can follow all of us on @AmritaIQ, Sujoy on @9e3k and @asimburney Sujoy's instagram which has amazing shots can be found here, we strongly recommend you follow him!

We discuss the wonderful morning we spent with designer Omer Asim and his collaborator Maya Antoun - looking at their beautiful and inspiring work that unites body and fabric in sensual minimalist forms. See links below. We are going to have a break and will be back in September. Have a great summer! http://www.omer-asim.com https://www.instagram.com/omer_asim https://www.instagram.com/maya.antoun/ Omer Asim, SHOWstudio: https://www.showstudio.com/contributors/omer_asim Jenny Pashkova, ‘Omer Asim', Off Black Magazine (2014): http://offblackmagazine.com/archive/archives/project/omer-asim Helen Jennings, ‘Omer Asim', Nataal (2017): https://nataal.com/omer-asim ‘Omer Asim: The Stealth SuperBrand', because magazine (17 June 2020): https://becauselondon.com/fashion/2020/omer-asim-shining-bright-under-the-radar/ Marie Grace Brown, ‘Khartoum at Night: Fashion and Body Politics in Imperial Sudan', Stanford University Press (2017): https://www.sup.org/books/title/?id=25840 Rebecca Arnold, ‘Vionnet and Classicism', in Vionnet, Judith Clark Costume (15 March – 16 April 2001): https://judithclarkcostume.com/wp-content/uploads/Judith-Clark-16pp-Vionnet.pdf

Chino is BENCHED for MentaL! We do Power Rankings of ALL 12 CDL Teams (Best to worst), we talk Scump's struggles & a potential retirement, we debate the Huke situation, fans at stage 5 and champs, Crim vs Formal, OpTic's REAL struggles, not to mention we breakdown the WHOLE weekend of Stage 4 Major the FIRST LAN, and talk about what it means for the CDL!   ◾ Intro - 00:00 ◾ News of the Week - 3:45 || League Play Updates // LAG BENCHES CHINO for MENTAL! Rate the move?! // Scump's struggle...and a retirement? // Challengers Updates! // US open champion watches CDL?! // CDL having FANS at stage 5 and champs?!? News of the Week - 28:10 || Crim vs Formal & Drama // the WHOLE Huke Situation and LAT  // Asim's VISA FINALLY!! And what this means for NYSL ◾ Power Rankings & Stage 4 Major BREAKDOWN -  35:00 || Seattle Surge, London Royal Ravens, Paris Legion, LA Guerrillas ◾ Power Rankings & BREAKDOWN (pt 2) -  52:30 || FLA Mutineers, LA Thieves, MIN Rokkr, OpTic Chicago ◾ Power Rankings & BREAKDOWN (pt 3) -  1:20:27 || NY Subliners, Toronto Ultra, Dallas Empire, Atlanta FaZe ◾ Who's the 2nd best team in the CDL? - Intelligent or Irrelevant - 01:34:27   The Best of 3 CoD Esports Podcasts covers and its hosts Josh "SalvationsElite," Rex "ShadyNero," and Sam "Bash" cover all things Call of Duty Esports in regards to the Call of Duty League, CoD Cold War, CoD League news, updates, predictions, breakdowns, summaries, game patches, meta, gameplay, gamebattles, competitive gaming, the news of the official CoD League with all the pro teams like the Dallas Empire, Seattle Surge, OpTic Chicago, Atlanta FaZe, LA Thieves, Minnesota Rokkr, NY Subliners, London Royal Ravens, Florida Mutineers, the LA Guerillas, Toronto Ultra and the Paris Legion! We do predictions and breaking news, updates, roster changes rostermania, free agency, trades, with players like Scump, Crimsix, Simp, Huke, Dashy, Skrapz, Octane, Abezy, Gunless, Arcitys, FormaL, ILLeY, Shotzzy, Prestinni, Clayster, Cellium, Priestahh, Attach, Temp, and others! We are the Best of 3 Call of Duty Esports Podcast!   -CONNECT- YOUTUBE Watch on YouTube HERE (https://www.youtube.com/salvationselite)   TWITTER Follow Josh “SalvationsElite” - https://twitter.com/SalvationsElite Follow Rex  “ShadyNero” - https://twitter.com/ShadyNero Follow Sam “Bash_Bo3” - https://twitter.com/Bash_BO3   PODCAST The Best of 3 CoD Esports Podcast is available on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts and will be coming to more apps soon! Links here: APPLE: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-best-of-3-cod-esports-podcast/id1490028421 SPOTIFY https://open.spotify.com/show/7jgzkfT6uc7wyU2L4UCh0B?si=Z6XhfUCcQ2exwOgyjfJFDA ---------------- SALVATIONSELITE SOCIALS The DISCORD CoD Community Server! Join for community tourneys, live streams, finding teammates and more! https://discord.gg/wJh6BCC   TWITTER -- https://twitter.com/salvationselite INSTAGRAM -- https://www.instagram.com/josh.roeloffs/ TWITCH -- https://www.twitch.tv/salvationselite DISCORD -- https://discord.gg/wJh6BCC   #TheBestOf3Podcast #CoDEsports #CallofDutyLeague #podcast #CallofDuty #Esports #CoDPodcast #EsportsPodcast #CallofDutyEsports #CompetitiveCoD

Arooba Asim (Roobz) is a Twitter personality and author behind the @tishray account that I have been a fan of, for quite some time now. Arooba is also a psychology student, which only contributes to her expressing her fascinating opinions and beliefs about the modern world. We talk about how religion is a very personal, but also very old idea in general, the dualism between modern and classical these days, as well as how the modern society and the Internet force an over-socialized environment onto people, creating hidden, inner voids, and deep scars. Enjoy!

Asim is OUT for the LAN?! NO WAY. We do FULL BRACKET PREDICTIONS for the stage 4 major tournament! LAN IS BACK! We talk about the impact of LAN, Decemate in for NYSL, and the madness that was the last week of Call of Duty! There's a TON to talk about so strap in for this episode of the Best of 3 CoD Esports Podcast!   ◾ Intro - 00:00 ◾ News of the Week - 3:30 || CDL on LAN...no codcasters there??? // ASIM NOT PLAYING & NYSL situation! Decemate to Subliners?! & Saints // CDL Viewership...vs other esports // CoD Mt Rushmore // Season 4 Roadmap...new competitive maps? // CDL Sponsoring streamers // Challengers Update Drazah and Mohakk going big!! ◾ The IMPACT of LAN RETURNING (What it means for Teams/Pros/CDL) - 28:25 ◾ CDL Stage 4 MAJOR Bracket PREDICTIONS -  44:40 || Predictions for EVERY match of bracket in the Stage 4 Major! LAN IS BACK! ◾ Which team is making the run? - Intelligent or Irrelevant - 01:41:02   The Best of 3 CoD Esports Podcasts covers and its hosts Josh "SalvationsElite," Rex "ShadyNero," and Sam "Bash" cover all things Call of Duty Esports in regards to the Call of Duty League, CoD Cold War, CoD League news, updates, predictions, breakdowns, summaries, game patches, meta, gameplay, gamebattles, competitive gaming, the news of the official CoD League with all the pro teams like the Dallas Empire, Seattle Surge, OpTic Chicago, Atlanta FaZe, LA Thieves, Minnesota Rokkr, NY Subliners, London Royal Ravens, Florida Mutineers, the LA Guerillas, Toronto Ultra and the Paris Legion! We do predictions and breaking news, updates, roster changes rostermania, free agency, trades, with players like Scump, Crimsix, Simp, Huke, Dashy, Skrapz, Octane, Abezy, Gunless, Arcitys, FormaL, ILLeY, Shotzzy, Prestinni, Clayster, Cellium, Priestahh, Attach, Temp, and others! We are the Best of 3 Call of Duty Esports Podcast!   -CONNECT- YOUTUBE Watch on YouTube HERE (https://www.youtube.com/salvationselite)   TWITTER Follow Josh “SalvationsElite” - https://twitter.com/SalvationsElite Follow Rex  “ShadyNero” - https://twitter.com/ShadyNero Follow Sam “Bash_Bo3” - https://twitter.com/Bash_BO3   PODCAST The Best of 3 CoD Esports Podcast is available on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts and will be coming to more apps soon! Links here: APPLE: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-best-of-3-cod-esports-podcast/id1490028421 SPOTIFY https://open.spotify.com/show/7jgzkfT6uc7wyU2L4UCh0B?si=Z6XhfUCcQ2exwOgyjfJFDA ---------------- SALVATIONSELITE SOCIALS The DISCORD CoD Community Server! Join for community tourneys, live streams, finding teammates and more! https://discord.gg/wJh6BCC   TWITTER -- https://twitter.com/salvationselite INSTAGRAM -- https://www.instagram.com/josh.roeloffs/ TWITCH -- https://www.twitch.tv/salvationselite DISCORD -- https://discord.gg/wJh6BCC   #TheBestOf3Podcast #CoDEsports #CallofDutyLeague #podcast #CallofDuty #Esports #CoDPodcast #EsportsPodcast #CallofDutyEsports #CompetitiveCoD

The 4th Major is officially here with the return to LAN! Will it make a difference? FaZe are still favorites to win after the Dub against Rokkr. OpTic's remarkable week of losing to Surge then stomping LAT. Another LAT roster change following substantial drama involving Huke. Is this JKap's doing? The OpTic Dynasty will meet up on Winners' Round 1, with a new Formal v Crimsix rivalry to promise an exciting battle. Meanwhile, NYSL seem forced to replace Asim following visa issues; Who should they grab?

The Player on EVERY TEAM who IMPACTS the game the MOST! Plus we do PREDICTIONS of every match for CDL Stage 4 Week 3 the LA Thieves Home Series! LAN is officially announced, Asim's Visa Issues, and BREAKING DOWN ALL the action from last weekend including the wild NYSL vs Dallas series!   ◾ Intro - 00:00 ◾ News of the Week - 5:23 || LAN & What it MEANS // Asim & NYSL's potential PROBLEMS // Challengers ◾ MOST IMPACTFUL PLAYERS on EVERY CDL TEAM (& Week 3 Breakdown Convo) FaZe, NYSL, PARIS, DALLAS - 13:20 ◾ ROKKR, SURGE, LONDON, OPTIC  (Impactful Player & Stage 4 Week 3 Breakdown Convo) - 37:00 ◾ LA THIEVES, ULTRA, LAG, Mutineers (Impactful Player & Stage 4 Week 3 Breakdown Convo) - 54:45 ◾ CDL Stage 4 Week 3 -  1:09:07 || Predictions for EVERY match of CoD League this weekend! ◾ Best AR player? Skyz, Formal, Octane, Crim - Intelligent or Irrelevant - 01:38:20   The Best of 3 CoD Esports Podcasts covers and its hosts Josh "SalvationsElite," Rex "ShadyNero," and Sam "Bash" cover all things Call of Duty Esports in regards to the Call of Duty League, CoD Cold War, CoD League news, updates, predictions, breakdowns, summaries, game patches, meta, gameplay, gamebattles, competitive gaming, the news of the official CoD League with all the pro teams like the Dallas Empire, Seattle Surge, OpTic Chicago, Atlanta FaZe, LA Thieves, Minnesota Rokkr, NY Subliners, London Royal Ravens, Florida Mutineers, the LA Guerillas, Toronto Ultra and the Paris Legion! We do predictions and breaking news, updates, roster changes rostermania, free agency, trades, with players like Scump, Crimsix, Simp, Huke, Dashy, Skrapz, Octane, Abezy, Gunless, Arcitys, FormaL, ILLeY, Shotzzy, Prestinni, Clayster, Cellium, Priestahh, Attach, Temp, and others! We are the Best of 3 Call of Duty Esports Podcast!   -CONNECT- YOUTUBE Watch on YouTube HERE (https://www.youtube.com/salvationselite)   TWITTER Follow Josh “SalvationsElite” - https://twitter.com/SalvationsElite Follow Rex  “ShadyNero” - https://twitter.com/ShadyNero Follow Sam “Bash_Bo3” - https://twitter.com/Bash_BO3   PODCAST The Best of 3 CoD Esports Podcast is available on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts and will be coming to more apps soon! Links here: APPLE: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-best-of-3-cod-esports-podcast/id1490028421 SPOTIFY https://open.spotify.com/show/7jgzkfT6uc7wyU2L4UCh0B?si=Z6XhfUCcQ2exwOgyjfJFDA ---------------- SALVATIONSELITE SOCIALS The DISCORD CoD Community Server! Join for community tourneys, live streams, finding teammates and more! https://discord.gg/wJh6BCC   TWITTER -- https://twitter.com/salvationselite INSTAGRAM -- https://www.instagram.com/josh.roeloffs/ TWITCH -- https://www.twitch.tv/salvationselite DISCORD -- https://discord.gg/wJh6BCC   #TheBestOf3Podcast #CoDEsports #CallofDutyLeague #podcast #CallofDuty #Esports #CoDPodcast #EsportsPodcast #CallofDutyEsports #CompetitiveCoD

Khandaan: A Bollywood Podcast is back with a lot of thoughts (ok, some thoughts) on everything streaming right now. 0.55 Mailbag - our favorite section where we hear back from our listeners.12.00- Live Reaction: Family Man Season 2 Trailer 28.02 Dibakar Banerjee’s SANDEEP AUR PINKY FARAAR starring Parineeti Chopra and Arjun Kapoor with Jaideep Ahlawat, Neena Gupta and Raghubir Yadav.46.33-  Mari Selvaraj’s KARNAN starring Dhanush.1.00.00- Asim's thoughts on AR Rahman's first foray into movie production, the long delayed 99 Songs.Our limited edition The Other Khan series continues next week with Pyaar Tune Kya Kiya starring Fardeen Khan. Don’t forget to subscribe!Make sure you don't miss any future live events, subscribe to our Khandaan Podcast YouTube page.Khandaan now has an Instagram page. Follow us for some masti over there too! Follow and subscribe to Amrita's new Youtube Book channel by going here!Find us on Apple Podcasts! and Stitcher! and AudioBoom! and iHeartRadio! and Spotify! and Google Podcasts!And now you can also listen to us on Hubhopper!Follow us on Twitter! Like us on Facebook!You can follow all of us on @AmritaIQ, Sujoy on @9e3k and @asimburneySujoy’s instagram which has amazing shots can be found here, we strongly recommend you follow him!

The Rogues gather their wits and weapons as they prepare to meet the Keeper of the Magician's Skull, the dastardly Howard Andrew Jones! Together, they will cross swords with Short Fiction, Trilogies, and Gaming Rules with the dreaded creator of legendary duo, Asim & Dabir. HAJ Amazon Author Page: https://www.amazon.com/Howard-Andrew-Jones/e/B001H6OE94?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1&qid=1621384128&sr=8-1 Tales from the Magician's Skull: https://goodman-games.com/tftms/ Goodman Games: https://goodman-games.com/

Author and punk musician G'Ra Asim discusses his new book and how he feels about moving back to St. Louis, the city he left as a 10-year-old.

Khandaan: A Bollywood Podcast is back with a… bang? Well, here’s what we’ve been watching in May 2021 at all events. 11:35 Amrita has been watching Chinese dramas and recommends the historical murder mystery series, THE STORY OF YANXI PALACE.19:50 Sujoy watched MITCHELLS VS. MACHINES and would like to see the Bollywood remake NOBODY.28:45 Asim and Sujoy also watched the new show STARSTRUCK and can’t say enough good things about it.33:00 Asim then watched MUMBAI SAGA because he hates himself.39:10 The piece de resistance of the episode however is when Sujoy watches the new item song from RADHE live with Amrita and Asim - a world first for song reactions on audio!  Our limited edition The Other Khan series continues with LAAWARIS and Amjad Khan but first, a little detour next week to discuss Our Most (un)Wanted Movie, Radhe. Don’t forget to subscribe!Make sure you don't miss any future live events, subscribe to our Khandaan Podcast YouTube page.Khandaan now has an Instagram page. Follow us for some masti over there too! Follow and subscribe to Amrita's new Youtube Book channel by going here!Find us on Apple Podcasts! and Stitcher! and AudioBoom! and iHeartRadio! and Spotify! and Google Podcasts!And now you can also listen to us on Hubhopper!Follow us on Twitter! Like us on Facebook!You can follow all of us on @AmritaIQ, Sujoy on @9e3k and @asimburneySujoy’s instagram which has amazing shots can be found here, we strongly recommend you follow him!

Host: Alex CrowGuest: G’Ra AsimBoyz n the Void: a mixtape to my brotherBaby Got Back TalkRecorded in Los Angeles, CA and Brookline, MA via Zoom.Music by Hideout HillThanks to our episode sponsor TeamPeople. For more information, visit - https://www.teampeople.tvFor the latest employment opportunities, visit the TeamPeople Job Board - https://teampeople.secure.force.com/careers/

G'Ra Asim, author of Boyz in the Void: A Mixtape to My Brother (Beacon Press), stopped by CNF Pod HQ to talk about this incredible book, punk rock, and straight edge culture.  Great talk. Social media: @notjadedpunk, @CNFPod Patreon.com/cnfpod

Episode 102 of Khandaan: A Bollywood Podcast is all about 2004’s HUM TUM. Kicking things off for our limited edition series about The Other Khans of Bollywood, this little romcom proved to be a milestone in the careers of Saif Ali Khan, Rani Mukherjee and the director Kunal Kohli. We take you through the career of Saif up till then, our favorite films starring Saif, and the way his filmography has shaped up in the years since. Join us next time for some Amjad Khan action!  Make sure you don't miss any future live events, subscribe to our Khandaan Podcast YouTube page.Khandaan now has an Instagram page. Follow us for some masti over there too!Sujoy and Asim did a season review of Zack Snyder's Justice League which you can find by going here  Follow and subscribe to Amrita's new Youtube Book channel by going here!Find us on Apple Podcasts! and Stitcher! and AudioBoom! and iHeartRadio! and Spotify! and Google Podcasts!And now you can also listen to us on Hubhopper!Follow us on Twitter! Like us on Facebook!You can follow all of us on @AmritaIQ, Sujoy on @9e3k and @asimburneySujoy’s instagram which has amazing shots can be found here, we strongly recommend you follow him!

For Episode 101, Khandaan: A Bollywood Podcast shook things up with a YouTube livestream! We take you through the trailers for RADHE starring Salman Khan and Disha Patani, and SARDAR KA GRANDSON starring Arjun Kapoor and Rakul Preet Singh. Watch out for Asim’s opinions on AJEEB DAASTANS as well as Sujoy’s on BIG BULL. We’ll be back next week with the first of our limited edition Other Khan series starring Saif Ali Khan in HUM TUM.Make sure you don't miss any future live events, subscribe to our Khandaan Podcast YouTube page.Khandaan now has an Instagram page. Follow us for some masti over there too!Sujoy and Asim did a season review of Zack Snyder's Justice League which you can find by going here  Follow and subscribe to Amrita's new Youtube Book channel by going here!Find us on Apple Podcasts! and Stitcher! and AudioBoom! and iHeartRadio! and Spotify! and Google Podcasts!And now you can also listen to us on Hubhopper!Follow us on Twitter! Like us on Facebook!You can follow all of us on @AmritaIQ, Sujoy on @9e3k and @asimburneySujoy’s instagram which has amazing shots can be found here, we strongly recommend you follow him!

Episode 100 of Khandaan: A Bollywood Podcast is finally here! We are joined by Top Friend Beth from Beth Loves Bollywood and Her Majesty Pitu Sultan - and it’s a full on party!We want to thank several people for coming with us on the crazy journey that is Khandaan: Our friends and friends of friends who agreed to guest on our show despite knowing our grueling schedule and often choosing to watch the very worst that Hindi cinema could throw at us, thankfully to hilarious effect. We’re very glad that everyone came ready to play despite being Serious Film People.  The podcasting community, particularly the tiny Indian film podcasting community for being our friends and support group.And of course, our fans - you’re the people who know and love this stuff as much as we do. You’ve sat through 2 hour episodes and come back for more. You send us lovely emails and hold us accountable. You make us laugh and you’ve been incredibly supportive of us during some very difficult periods. Thank you all for sticking with us through 100 episodes. Here’s to the next 100! Next week, we’re going on hiatus for a couple of weeks but we will be back the week of April 25th with a brand new episode of Khandaan! Hope to see you then!For the video version of this podcast and to make sure you don't miss any future live events, subscribe to our Khandaan Podcast YouTube page.We appeared on BBC's Beyond Bollywood Podcast with Haroon Rashid. The Episode should be dropping while we are on hiatus but the episode will appear here.Khandaan now has an Instagram page. Follow us for some masti over there too!Sujoy and Asim did a season review of Zack Snyder's Justice League which you can find by going here  Follow and subscribe to Amrita's new Youtube Book channel by going here!Find us on Apple Podcasts! and Stitcher! and AudioBoom! and iHeartRadio! and Spotify! and Google Podcasts!And now you can also listen to us on Hubhopper!Follow us on Twitter! Like us on Facebook!You can follow all of us on @AmritaIQ, Sujoy on @9e3k and @asimburneySujoy’s instagram which has amazing shots can be found here, we strongly recommend you follow him!

“Business can be a force of good and should be a force for good, not just profits.”  - Asim Khan   Episode Description: How can you make money while doing good for the world? In this podcast, Asim Khan and his business partner (and brother), Qasim Khan, share how they incorporated their Pakistani culture and traditions when building their business, ZYN.  This duo values operating their business as a force for good and giving back to the community.  Tune in to hear how they started a viable business that’s good for the body, soul and community.    Connect with Justine:  Website Facebook Instagram LinkedIn   Connect with NextGenChef: Website  Facebook  Twitter  Instagram  YouTube NextGenChef App   Episode Highlights: 03:50 A Product Of Cultural Lifestyle 06:27 Giving Back To The Community 09:55 Food As Medicine 24:55 A Better Food System 27:43 Bringing Ancient Wisdom Of Cultures Around The World 33:49 Building A Company From Scratch 36:49 A Company That Cares

Asim and Qasim Kahn are the creators and founders of ZYN Drink. Brady and physical therapist Molly Rittberg talk to Asim and Qasim about the benefits of including curcumin in your lifestyle. They also share the process of how and why they brought this tasty product to market.

Episode 99 of Khandaan: A Bollywood Podcast is here and was brought to you live on YouTube. Our first hour saw us take questions from the audience, answer questions sent to us via email and our Instagram account (@khandaanpodcast

Episode 97 of KHANDAAN: A BOLLYWOOD PODCAST is here with Yamini (aka @pappuchaaru on Twitter). A Telugu film professional, Yamini was the perfect person for us to inflict this movie upon. The movie in question 2013’s CHENNAI EXPRESS starring Shahrukh Khan and Deepika Padukone as... stereotypes in something resembling love or so we’re told. Join us on our trek into the mind of Rohit Shetty where inspired comic skits jostle with giant explosions to create... an unquantifiable product. REMINDER: Episodes 99 & 100 will be recorded on YouTube on Sunday March 28 at 8.30pm India time, 4.00 pm UK time and 11.00 am EST.  You’re all invited to drop in! Shownotes:A link to our 2013 interview with SRK and Deepika can be found hereOur 100th Episode Khandaan celebration is happening end of March.Subscribe now to our YouTube Page so you don't miss out on the fun! Khandaan now has an Instagram page. Follow us for some masti over there too!Sujoy and Asim did a season review of Zack Snyder's Justice League which you can find by going here  Follow and subscribe to Amrita's new Youtube Book channel by going here!Find us on Apple Podcasts! and Stitcher! and AudioBoom! and iHeartRadio! and Spotify! and Google Podcasts!And now you can also listen to us on Hubhopper!Follow us on Twitter! Like us on Facebook!You can follow all of us on @AmritaIQ, Sujoy on @9e3k and @asimburneySujoy’s instagram which has amazing shots can be found here, we strongly recommend you follow him!

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Qur'anic Treats is a short series of videos brought to you by Al Madrasatu Al Umariyyah. With Ramadan 2021 fast approaching, let the words of Allah penetrate your heart in preparation for the blessed month to come. Join Ustadh Jamal Abdinasir on a journey through selected passages of The Quran. Sit back and enjoy the various modes of recitation demonstrating the miraculous nature of the Book of Allah. We ask Allah to allow us to reach Ramadan. Ameen! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/amauofficial/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/almadrasatualumariyyah Twitter: https://twitter.com/AMAU2525 iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/al-madrasatu-al-umariyyah/id1524526782 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/08NJC1pIA0maaF6aKqZL4N BarakAllahu feekum. #AMAU #Islam #Ramadan2021

Episode 97 of Khandaan: A Bollywood Podcast is off to a rocking start with Yamini a.k.a. @pappuchaaru on Twitter. A great many things happened in Bollywood this week, so we had tons to discuss including: Time Stamp: 01.00 We announce the Khandaan-100th episode Live event on YouTube Live on Sunday, the 28th of March at 20.30 IST- 1600 UK- 11.00 EST. Come join us by subscribing to our YouTube page 4:35 SANDEEP AUR PINKY FARAAR and how mush mouth is not a good look 14.30 TOOFAN looks like a classic boxing movie from very reliable makers 27.25 Arivu and Dhee's superhit new song ENJOY ENJAAMI 44.00 Aamir's special appearance song  52.05 OK COMPUTER - but why? 57.30 BOMBAY BEGUMS isn't nearly as good as its detractors make it out to be  Join us next week for some CHENNAI EXPRESSShownotes:Our 100th Episode Khandaan celebration is happening end of March.Subscribe now to our YouTube Page so you don't miss out on the fun!Head over to https://www.fuckboisoflit.com/episodes for Amrita's appearance.  Khandaan now has an Instagram page. Follow us for some masti over there too!Sujoy and Asim did a season review of Disney+ original series WandaVision which you can find by going here  Follow and subscribe to Amrita's new Youtube Book channel by going here!Find us on Apple Podcasts! and Stitcher! and AudioBoom! and iHeartRadio! and Spotify! and Google Podcasts!And now you can also listen to us on Hubhopper!Follow us on Twitter! Like us on Facebook!You can follow all of us on @AmritaIQ, Sujoy on @9e3k and @asimburneySujoy’s instagram which has amazing shots can be found here, we strongly recommend you follow him!

Episode 96 of Khandaan: A Bollywood Podcast is all about 2000’s HAR DIL JO PYAAR KAREGA. We are joined once more by friend of the podcast Haroon Rashid (https://twitter.com/iHaroonRashid) of the BBC’s brand new podcast, Beyond Bollywood (https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0984jkc) and he explains why this movie is a worthy successor to his all time favorite, Ishq, which he discussed last time. Co-starring Preity Zinta and Rani Mukherjee, this remake of the hit Sandra Bullock romcom WHILE YOU WERE SLEEPING, stars Salman Khan at the peak of his powers. Listen to the hosts gush sickeningly about his body, his love life, his clothes, everything but his performance as usual. There are a lot of things that happen in this movie and we go through most of them. Shownotes: Check out Haroon Rashid's new podcast Beyond Bollywood (https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0984jkc) available on all platforms. Our 100th Episode Khandaan celebration is happening end of March. Subscribe now to our YouTube Page (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCi6noAvuRo-H6YzQ-tJj4Ew) so you don't miss out on the fun! Head over to https://www.fuckboisoflit.com/episodes for Amrita's appearance.   Khandaan now has an Instagram page (https://instagram.com/khandaanpodcast?igshid=c656tur1v7k6) . Follow us for some masti over there too! Sujoy and Asim did a season review of Disney+ original series WandaVision which you can find by going here (https://audioboom.com/posts/7818529-ep-233-wandavision-season-review)   Follow and subscribe to Amrita's new Youtube Book channel by going here (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmyb1ZvLmaDLBsen6QQrO4A) ! Find us on Apple Podcasts (https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-khandaan-podcast/id1362881501) ! and Stitcher (http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/upodcast/khandaan-podcast%3Frefid=stpr) ! and AudioBoom (https://audioboom.com/channels/4944450.rss) ! and iHeartRadio (http://www.iheart.com/podcast/270-The-Khandaan-Podcast-29185125) ! and Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3bZLrLZHCuLDmJzgm9MPm0) ! and Google Podcasts (https://www.google.com/podcasts%3Ffeed=aHR0cHM6Ly9hdWRpb2Jvb20uY29tL2NoYW5uZWxzLzQ5NDQ0NTAucnNz) ! And now you can also listen to us on Hubhopper (https://hubhopper.com/podcast/the-khandaan-podcast/4529) ! Follow us on Twitter (https://twitter.com/UpodCast) ! Like us on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/upodcasting/) ! You can follow all of us on @AmritaIQ (https://twitter.com/amritaIQ) , Sujoy on @9e3k (https://twitter.com/9e3k) and @asimburney (https://twitter.com/asimburney) Sujoy’s instagram which has amazing shots can be found here (https://www.instagram.com/9e3k/) , we strongly recommend you follow him!

Welcome to Episode 95 of Khandaan: A Bollywood Podcast. We are joined today by friend of the podcast Haroon Rashid (https://twitter.com/iHaroonRashid) of the BBC’s brand podcast, Beyond Bollywood (https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0984jkc) . If you haven't heard it yet, we highly recommend you check out his first episode interviewing Priyanka Chopra and her new memoir, Unfinished.    In this episode we talk about:    05:45 Haroon’s new show and the controversies surrounding Priyanka Chopra Trailers: 13.20 the new Sanjay Leela Bhansali movie starring Alia Bhatt, GANGUBAI KATHIAWADI 26.10 the trailer for the new movie co-starring Jhanvi Kapoor and Rajkumar Rao, ROOHI 33.27: Mumbai Saga 41.10 : Time to Dance Movie Reviews: 52.50 the latest Amazon Prime release, DRISHYAM 2, starring Mohanlal 1.13.50 SIR, the new Netflix movie taking everyone by storm 1.17.35 the new Netflix movie starring Parineeti Chopra the girl on the train   Join us next time for our main review HAR DIL JO PYAAR KAREGA Shownotes: Check out Haroon Rashid's new podcast Beyond Bollywood (https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0984jkc) available on all platforms. Our 100th Episode Khandaan celebration is happening end of March. Subscribe now to our YouTube Page (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCi6noAvuRo-H6YzQ-tJj4Ew) so you don't miss out on the fun! Head over to https://www.fuckboisoflit.com/episodes for Amrita's appearance.   Khandaan now has an Instagram page (https://instagram.com/khandaanpodcast?igshid=c656tur1v7k6) . Follow us for some masti over there too!   Amrita’s video on her Youtube Book channel that had Asim in splits can be found here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a6C5B8CvDg)   Follow and subscribe to Amrita's new Youtube Book channel by going here (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmyb1ZvLmaDLBsen6QQrO4A) ! Find us on Apple Podcasts (https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-khandaan-podcast/id1362881501) ! and Stitcher (http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/upodcast/khandaan-podcast%3Frefid=stpr) ! and AudioBoom (https://audioboom.com/channels/4944450.rss) ! and iHeartRadio (http://www.iheart.com/podcast/270-The-Khandaan-Podcast-29185125) ! and Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3bZLrLZHCuLDmJzgm9MPm0) ! and Google Podcasts (https://www.google.com/podcasts%3Ffeed=aHR0cHM6Ly9hdWRpb2Jvb20uY29tL2NoYW5uZWxzLzQ5NDQ0NTAucnNz) ! And now you can also listen to us on Hubhopper (https://hubhopper.com/podcast/the-khandaan-podcast/4529) ! Follow us on Twitter (https://twitter.com/UpodCast) ! Like us on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/upodcasting/) ! You can follow all of us on @AmritaIQ (https://twitter.com/amritaIQ) , Sujoy on @9e3k (https://twitter.com/9e3k) and @asimburney (https://twitter.com/asimburney) Sujoy’s instagram which has amazing shots can be found here (https://www.instagram.com/9e3k/) , we strongly recommend you follow him!

Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings In conversation with Asim Ismail Jafrani, chairman Al-Wasila Trust, this episode explores how charity can be done in multiple ways. How long he has been doing his charity work? What motivated him? How Al-Wasila is impacting lives? What are his other ventures i.e., ‘Rehan Sehan’, ‘Powerbox’, ‘Saya Homes’, ‘Safaiwala’, ‘Ishara foundation’? How it has been working for him so far? What challenges and disappointments he had to face? Tune in to know more on what he is doing for the education sector, why we are still not able to eradicate our economic problems and what our youth needs to learn! Follow us on Instagram: • https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings • https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan To know more about Al-Wasila Trust visit http://alwasila.org For Monetary Donations: 03008207294 To Donate your Dry waste: 03150299911 (Safaiwala) To Donate any household item: 03331006437 (Rehan Sehan) To Apply for interest-free loans: 03133113411 (Rozgar) To order a Powerbox: 03331006435 To know more about Saya Homes visit http://saya.org.pk --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/syed-muzamil-hasan-zaidi3/support

Dr. Asim Zaidi is the Cardiologist and Medical Director of the Cardiology Group at Northwestern Medicine McHenry and Huntley Hospitals. He joins John Williams this heart health month to share some of the risk factors to be mindful of in maintaining a healthy heart.

Khandaan: A Bollywood Podcast is back with Saleha i.e. @Salandthebadpun (https://twitter.com/Salandthebadpun) of Twitter fame to discuss a movie that has long been requested - 1998’s HUM DIL DE CHUKE SANAM. The last full blown collaboration between director Sanjay Leela Bhansali and Salman Khan, this is a movie that occupies a special, albeit difficult, space in Indian film history. Aishwarya Rai became a bonafide star actress with this film, showcasing what she could accomplish when given the space and a director interested in her performance; Ajay Devgan pulled focus from Salman in an author backed role; and of course this marked the beginning of the famed Salman/Aishwarya affair that would scorch Bollywood over the next few tumultuous years. Join as we dive deep (and I mean DEEP) into this film, to discuss its cultural impact, the gossip, the performances, the music, and so many other things! Our brand new limited edition podcast series #BingingBridgerton (https://twitter.com/hashtag/BingingBridgerton?src=hashtag_click) hosted by @bethlovesbolly (https://twitter.com/bethlovesbolly) and @amritaiq (https://twitter.com/amritaIQ) is now LIVE. 8 episodes featuring an in-depth discussion of the Netflix series with the occasional guest host. Head over to the UpodCast- Main Event Page (https://audioboom.com/channel/upodcast--main-event) and leave us a review if you get a chance Head over to https://www.fuckboisoflit.com/episodes for Amrita's appearance.   Khandaan now has an Instagram page (https://instagram.com/khandaanpodcast?igshid=c656tur1v7k6) . Follow us for some masti over there too!   Amrita’s video on her Youtube Book channel that had Asim in splits can be found here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a6C5B8CvDg)   Follow and subscribe to Amrita's new Youtube Book channel by going here (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmyb1ZvLmaDLBsen6QQrO4A) ! Find us on Apple Podcasts (https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-khandaan-podcast/id1362881501) ! and Stitcher (http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/upodcast/khandaan-podcast%3Frefid=stpr) ! and AudioBoom (https://audioboom.com/channels/4944450.rss) ! and iHeartRadio (http://www.iheart.com/podcast/270-The-Khandaan-Podcast-29185125) ! and Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3bZLrLZHCuLDmJzgm9MPm0) ! and Google Podcasts (https://www.google.com/podcasts%3Ffeed=aHR0cHM6Ly9hdWRpb2Jvb20uY29tL2NoYW5uZWxzLzQ5NDQ0NTAucnNz) ! And now you can also listen to us on Hubhopper (https://hubhopper.com/podcast/the-khandaan-podcast/4529) ! Follow us on Twitter (https://twitter.com/UpodCast) ! Like us on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/upodcasting/) ! You can follow all of us on @AmritaIQ (https://twitter.com/amritaIQ) , Sujoy on @9e3k (https://twitter.com/9e3k) and @asimburney (https://twitter.com/asimburney) Sujoy’s instagram which has amazing shots can be found here (https://www.instagram.com/9e3k/) , we strongly recommend you follow him!

Episode 93 of Khandaan: A Bollywood Podcast is here in the midst of a slow week. We are joined this episode and the next by the wonderful Saleha (@salandthebadpun (https://twitter.com/Salandthebadpun) on Twitter) and you’ll know exactly why she was the only possible choice for these episodes when you hear her speak. Strap in for two amazing episodes! In this one we cover: 03:35 Mailbag Part Deux in which we catch up with a few more reviews and letters we couldn’t cover last time 36:15 Sujoy, our International Khiladi, has an update on JUJUTSU KAISEN for those of you into anime with a side of INDIAN IDOL 40:01 Amrita and Asim watched SHOWGIRLS OF PAKISTAN, a brand new Vice documentary. We’re joined partway by Sal and it’s off to the races for us! 1:04:31 we have many thoughts about Nora Fatehi and her latest song CHHOR DENGE Join us next week for our very thorough dive into HUM DIL DE CHUKE SANAM. It’s gonna be legendary! Shownotes: Thank you to friend of the show Aditya Shrikrishna (https://twitter.com/gradwolf) for sending in a voice note. Here are the links to his podcast The Other Banana (https://twitter.com/theotherbanana) or his appearance on KhandaanPodcast where we discussed Kabhi Haan Kabhi Naa (https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/63-kabhi-haan-kabhi-naa-choked-and-chintu-ka-birthday/id1362881501?i=1000477412378) Karan Johar SHELVES his ambitious project Takht (https://www.bollywoodhungama.com/weblite/news/bollywood/scoop-karan-johar-shelves-ambitious-project-takht-starring-ranveer-singh-kareena-kapoor-khan-alia-bhatt/?utm_source=bh) (source: Bollywood Hungama) Showgirls of Pakistan is available to stream here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZmo3MA1jPY) As is Nora Fatehi's Chorr Denge (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGf8rOwFzvo) Our brand new limited edition podcast series #BingingBridgerton (https://twitter.com/hashtag/BingingBridgerton?src=hashtag_click) hosted by @bethlovesbolly (https://twitter.com/bethlovesbolly) and @amritaiq (https://twitter.com/amritaIQ) is now LIVE. 8 episodes featuring an in-depth discussion of the Netflix series with the occasional guest host. Head over to the UpodCast- Main Event Page (https://audioboom.com/channel/upodcast--main-event) and leave us a review if you get a chance Head over to https://www.fuckboisoflit.com/episodes for Amrita's appearance.   Khandaan now has an Instagram page (https://instagram.com/khandaanpodcast?igshid=c656tur1v7k6) . Follow us for some masti over there too!   Amrita’s video on her Youtube Book channel that had Asim in splits can be found here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a6C5B8CvDg)   Follow and subscribe to Amrita's new Youtube Book channel by going here (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmyb1ZvLmaDLBsen6QQrO4A) ! Find us on Apple Podcasts (https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-khandaan-podcast/id1362881501) ! and Stitcher (http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/upodcast/khandaan-podcast%3Frefid=stpr) ! and AudioBoom (https://audioboom.com/channels/4944450.rss) ! and iHeartRadio (http://www.iheart.com/podcast/270-The-Khandaan-Podcast-29185125) ! and Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3bZLrLZHCuLDmJzgm9MPm0) ! and Google Podcasts (https://www.google.com/podcasts%3Ffeed=aHR0cHM6Ly9hdWRpb2Jvb20uY29tL2NoYW5uZWxzLzQ5NDQ0NTAucnNz) ! And now you can also listen to us on Hubhopper (https://hubhopper.com/podcast/the-khandaan-podcast/4529) ! Follow us on Twitter (https://twitter.com/UpodCast) ! Like us on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/upodcasting/) ! You can follow all of us on @AmritaIQ (https://twitter.com/amritaIQ) , Sujoy on @9e3k (https://twitter.com/9e3k) and @asimburney (https://twitter.com/asimburney) Sujoy’s instagram which has amazing shots can be found here (https://www.instagram.com/9e3k/) , we strongly recommend you follow him!

Welcome, welcome, welcome to the Distraction Pieces Podcast with Scroobius Pip!Keep it locked, world - you're about to enter the mind of the one ASIM CHAUDHRY!...also known as Chabuddy G from People Just Do Nothing (or 'Girthy Geeza' on Twitch) - yes people, this is a wonderful meeting between Pip and Asim, as they catch up initially about all things Twitch with Asimbeing very much in the pocket of Big Streaming. Just messing - he runs a very awesome channel on there which you are strongly encouraged to partake in! From there, the breacrumb trail is perfectly laid as the two go in on all things streaming, work, acting, beat battles, truth in characters, accents and awkwardness (and outright racism), the history and heritage sewn into accents, enduring a bout with that 'rona, Bandersnatch and just all things worth speaking on. It's a great chance to get to know Asim in the solo sense, so please enjoy episode 367 with the man himself!ASIM on TWITTERASIM on IMDBCHABUDDY GCHABUDDY on INSTAGRAMASIM on TWITCHSCROOBIUS PIP on INSTAGRAMSCROOBIUS PIP on PATREONNORTH STAR RISINGPOD BIBLESPEECH DEVELOPMENT RECORDSDISTRACTION PIECES NETWORK on FACEBOOKDISTRACTION PIECES NETWORK on INSTAGRAMDISTRACTION PIECES PODCAST ARCHIVE See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

EXCELSIOR!!! Welcome to #KareemTalks, my fellow nerds and blerds alike! My brothers and I are here to solve the age old question that has been debated all throughout history: MARVEL or DC? Which one is better than the other and in what way? So put on your superhero underroos, grab a cape, and enjoy the show! Peace...SEE YA!!! --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/kareemtalks/support

Episode 91 of Khandaan: A Bollywood Podcast sees us racing towards a century of episodes! We can scarcely believe it! So we start this stretch with a dive into our listener’s mailbag - featuring a little hate, a lot of love, and some deep questions from friends new and old.  Amrita finally watched LUPIN, the French series taking Netflix by storm and had several thoughts about it. Asim and Sujoy watched MASTER, the controversial Tamil film starring the two Vijays, and Asim had questions. They also watched THE WHITE TIGER, the new Priyanka Chopra Jonas / Rajkumar Rao film and we discuss what makes a good adaptation.  Watch out for a surprise guest in the latter half of the episode and join us next time for a trip back in the time machine to DAULAT KI JUNG. Shownotes:   Our brand new limited edition podcast series #BingingBridgerton (https://twitter.com/hashtag/BingingBridgerton?src=hashtag_click) hosted by @bethlovesbolly (https://twitter.com/bethlovesbolly) and @amritaiq (https://twitter.com/amritaIQ) is now LIVE. 8 episodes featuring an in-depth discussion of the Netflix series with the occasional guest host. Head over to the UpodCast- Main Event Page (https://audioboom.com/channel/upodcast--main-event) and leave us a review if you get a chance Head over to https://www.fuckboisoflit.com/episodes for Amrita's appearance.   Khandaan now has an Instagram page (https://instagram.com/khandaanpodcast?igshid=c656tur1v7k6) . Follow us for some masti over there too!   Amrita’s video on her Youtube Book channel that had Asim in splits can be found here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a6C5B8CvDg)   Follow and subscribe to Amrita's new Youtube Book channel by going here (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmyb1ZvLmaDLBsen6QQrO4A) ! Find us on Apple Podcasts (https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-khandaan-podcast/id1362881501) ! and Stitcher (http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/upodcast/khandaan-podcast%3Frefid=stpr) ! and AudioBoom (https://audioboom.com/channels/4944450.rss) ! and iHeartRadio (http://www.iheart.com/podcast/270-The-Khandaan-Podcast-29185125) ! and Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3bZLrLZHCuLDmJzgm9MPm0) ! and Google Podcasts (https://www.google.com/podcasts%3Ffeed=aHR0cHM6Ly9hdWRpb2Jvb20uY29tL2NoYW5uZWxzLzQ5NDQ0NTAucnNz) ! And now you can also listen to us on Hubhopper (https://hubhopper.com/podcast/the-khandaan-podcast/4529) ! Follow us on Twitter (https://twitter.com/UpodCast) ! Like us on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/upodcasting/) ! You can follow all of us on @AmritaIQ (https://twitter.com/amritaIQ) , Sujoy on @9e3k (https://twitter.com/9e3k) and @asimburney (https://twitter.com/asimburney) Sujoy’s instagram which has amazing shots can be found here (https://www.instagram.com/9e3k/) , we strongly recommend you follow him!

In this episode Jay and Woody are joined by actor, writer and producer Asim Chaudhry. Star of hit TV show People Just Do Nothing, Black Mirror - Bandersnatch, DC Universe and Netflix’s The Sandman and Wonder Woman 1984, as they discuss the creation of PJDN, the heroes of Hounslow, working with your idols, taking risks in comedy, the Office and Stephen Merchant and selling sneakers to Prince Charles. You don’t want to miss this one! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ustadh Shabbir and Ustadh Asim share reflections and tips on how to take vualuable lessons from the life of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). Pre-order The Simple Seerah book here: http://launchgood.com/SimpleSeerah

It’s Episode 90 of Khandaan: A Bollywood Podcast and we’re joined by writer, critic, blogger and podcaster Shah Shahid (https://twitter.com/theshahshahid) from BlankPageBeatdown.com (http://blankpagebeatdown.com/) whose podcasts you can follow on splitscreenpod.com (https://t.co/7Xf32WRN02?amp=1) and Comic Years (https://www.spreaker.com/show/comic-years-podcast) to discuss YES BOSS (1997).  Starring Shahrukh Khan, Juhi Chawla and Aditya Panscholi, this 90s classic was directed by then-frequent SRK-collaborator Aziz Mirza and show his touch for portraying the little people with big dreams in their eyes. More than 20 years after its release, it remains an ode to a different kind of Bombay, a different India, and a much different SRK-Juhi.  Shownotes:   Our brand new limited edition podcast series #BingingBridgerton (https://twitter.com/hashtag/BingingBridgerton?src=hashtag_click) hosted by @bethlovesbolly (https://twitter.com/bethlovesbolly) and @amritaiq (https://twitter.com/amritaIQ) is now LIVE. 8 episodes featuring an in-depth discussion of the Netflix series with the occasional guest host. Head over to the UpodCast- Main Event Page (https://audioboom.com/channel/upodcast--main-event) and leave us a review if you get a chance   Khandaan now has an Instagram page (https://instagram.com/khandaanpodcast?igshid=c656tur1v7k6) . Follow us for some masti over there too!   Amrita’s video on her Youtube Book channel that had Asim in splits can be found here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a6C5B8CvDg)   Follow and subscribe to Amrita's new Youtube Book channel by going here (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmyb1ZvLmaDLBsen6QQrO4A) ! Find us on Apple Podcasts (https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-khandaan-podcast/id1362881501) ! and Stitcher (http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/upodcast/khandaan-podcast%3Frefid=stpr) ! and AudioBoom (https://audioboom.com/channels/4944450.rss) ! and iHeartRadio (http://www.iheart.com/podcast/270-The-Khandaan-Podcast-29185125) ! and Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3bZLrLZHCuLDmJzgm9MPm0) ! and Google Podcasts (https://www.google.com/podcasts%3Ffeed=aHR0cHM6Ly9hdWRpb2Jvb20uY29tL2NoYW5uZWxzLzQ5NDQ0NTAucnNz) ! And now you can also listen to us on Hubhopper (https://hubhopper.com/podcast/the-khandaan-podcast/4529) ! Follow us on Twitter (https://twitter.com/UpodCast) ! Like us on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/upodcasting/) ! You can follow all of us on @AmritaIQ (https://twitter.com/amritaIQ) , Sujoy on @9e3k (https://twitter.com/9e3k) and @asimburney (https://twitter.com/asimburney) Sujoy’s instagram which has amazing shots can be found here (https://www.instagram.com/9e3k/) , we strongly recommend you follow him!

HUGE Week for the CDL! Kickoff Event BREAKDOWN, and FULL CoD League SEASON PREDICTIONS (MVP, Rookie of the Year, Champion, Runner Up, Most UNDERRATED Player and more! And a massive news week! CDL MAJORS & Homeseries SCHEDULES, Challengers Elite Series OFFICIAL Format & breakdown, JOHN is scrimming again! Diamoncon, Zoomaa, Afro, Paulex, Fero, and soooo much more!   Community Draft Royale DraftBuff join link! They got tons of leagues, Draft Royales, Bracket Predictions and more throughout the year! (Please use the link) Thanks!  --  https://draftbuff.com/royale/join/68334451-40b9-4157-aca5-e4d8d45726e5   ◾ Intro - 00:00 ◾ The MOST VALUABLE CDL Atlanta Fantasy Pros Presented by DraftBuff! - 03:01 ◾ Quick Question - 09:36 || Which Pro would a CoD Championship help the MOST ◾ News of the Week - 13:15 || FULL CDL Schedule RELEASED & CoD Champs? // Zoomaa, Diamondcon, Asim, NYSL // John is BACK & Scrimming // London Pick up Afro as Sub // PaulEx, WestR, London and...LAG? // Felo Dallas Sub ◾ News of the Week pt 2 - 32:50 || Challengers ELITE Series Schedule, Prize, and Format ANNOUNCED! & How it will effect competitive COD // Snipers, DLC, Acti Account Linking, Team Locations ◾ CDL Kickoff REACTION & BREAKDOWN - 45:00 || Biggest Team Surprises! // Which Teams did we learn most about? // Biggest Player Surprises // Overall meta thoughts ◾ CDL FULL SEASON PREDICTIONS - Champions & Runner Up // MVP // Rookie of the Year // Darkhorse Team // Darkhorse Player // Best AR, SMG, Flex   The Best of 3 CoD Esports Podcasts covers and its hosts Josh "SalvationsElite," Rex "ShadyNero," and Sam "Bash" cover all things Call of Duty Esports in regards to the Call of Duty League, Modern Warfare, patches, meta, gameplay, gamebattles, competitive gaming, the news of the official CoD League with all the pro teams like the Chicago Huntsman, Dallas Empire, Seattle Surge, LA OpTic Gaming, Atlanta FaZe, Minnesota Rokkr, NY Subliners, London Royal Ravens, Florida Mutineers, the LA Guerillas, Toronto Ultra and the Paris Legion! We do predictions and breaking news, updates, roster changes, free agency, trades, with players like Scump, Crimsix, Simp, Dashy, Skrapz, Octane, Abezy,  Karma, Gunless, Arcitys, FormaL, ILLeY, Shotzzy, Prestinni, Clayster, Cellium, Priestahh, Attach, Zoomaa, Temp, Huke and others! So we'll talk about the Call of Duty league 2020, cdl, cdl news! We are a cdl podcast / Call of Duty Esports Podcast!   Here's some other topics: The Best of 3 CoD Esports Podcast, best of 3 podcast, SalvationsElite, SalvationsElite podcast, call of duty league 2021, cdl, cdl news, cdl podcast, call of duty league podcast, cod podcast, call of duty podcast, cdl predictions, call of duty esports, professional cod, pro cod, comp cod, competitive cod, esports, esports news, esports podcast, and cod champs!   -CONNECT- YOUTUBE Watch on YouTube HERE (https://www.youtube.com/salvationselite)   TWITTER Follow Josh “SalvationsElite” - https://twitter.com/SalvationsElite Follow Rex  “ShadyNero” - https://twitter.com/ShadyNero Follow Sam “Bash_Bo3” - https://twitter.com/Bash_BO3   PODCAST The Best of 3 CoD Esports Podcast is available on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts and will be coming to more apps soon! Links here: APPLE: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-best-of-3-cod-esports-podcast/id1490028421 SPOTIFY https://open.spotify.com/show/7jgzkfT6uc7wyU2L4UCh0B?si=Z6XhfUCcQ2exwOgyjfJFDA ---------------- SALVATIONSELITE The DISCORD CoD Community Server! Join for community tourneys, live streams, finding teammates and more! https://discord.gg/wJh6BCC   TWITTER -- https://twitter.com/salvationselite INSTAGRAM -- https://www.instagram.com/josh.roeloffs/ TWITCH -- https://www.twitch.tv/salvationselite DISCORD -- https://discord.gg/wJh6BCC   #TheBestOf3Podcast #CoDEsports #CallofDutyLeague #podcast #CallofDuty #Esports #CoDPodcast #EsportsPodcast #CallofDutyEsports #CompetitiveCoD

Episode 89 of Khandaan: A Bollywood Podcast features a visit from writer, critic, blogger and podcaster Shah Shahid (https://twitter.com/theshahshahid) from BlankPageBeatdown.com (https://t.co/ZE7qS0txqo?amp=1) . You can also catch up on his podcasts on splitscreenpod.com (https://t.co/7Xf32WRN02?amp=1) and Comic Years (https://www.spreaker.com/show/comic-years-podcast) .  In this episode, we discuss: 16:40 Ali Abbas Zafar’s TANDAV featuring an excellent starcast headed by Saif Ali Khan and Zeeshan Ayub but also a incredibly silly script. 43:47 Asim and Amrita watched MAARA starring Madhavan and Shraddha Srinath 51:27 Sujoy watched SIR, the little film that could 58:30 Amrita watched a half hour of Renuka Shahane’s TRIBHANGA starring Kajol 1:01:25 Shah, Sujoy and Asim discuss the first 2 episodes of Disney+ new Marvel show: WandaVision 1:11:45 Asim highly recommends the new series LUPIN   Shownotes:   Our brand new limited edition podcast series #BingingBridgerton (https://twitter.com/hashtag/BingingBridgerton?src=hashtag_click) hosted by @bethlovesbolly (https://twitter.com/bethlovesbolly) and @amritaiq (https://twitter.com/amritaIQ) is now LIVE. 8 episodes featuring an in-depth discussion of the Netflix series with the occasional guest host. Head over to the UpodCast- Main Event Page (https://audioboom.com/channel/upodcast--main-event) and leave us a review if you get a chance   Khandaan now has an Instagram page (https://instagram.com/khandaanpodcast?igshid=c656tur1v7k6) . Follow us for some masti over there too!   Amrita’s video on her Youtube Book channel that had Asim in splits can be found here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a6C5B8CvDg)   Follow and subscribe to Amrita's new Youtube Book channel by going here (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmyb1ZvLmaDLBsen6QQrO4A) ! Find us on Apple Podcasts (https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-khandaan-podcast/id1362881501) ! and Stitcher (http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/upodcast/khandaan-podcast%3Frefid=stpr) ! and AudioBoom (https://audioboom.com/channels/4944450.rss) ! and iHeartRadio (http://www.iheart.com/podcast/270-The-Khandaan-Podcast-29185125) ! and Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3bZLrLZHCuLDmJzgm9MPm0) ! and Google Podcasts (https://www.google.com/podcasts%3Ffeed=aHR0cHM6Ly9hdWRpb2Jvb20uY29tL2NoYW5uZWxzLzQ5NDQ0NTAucnNz) ! And now you can also listen to us on Hubhopper (https://hubhopper.com/podcast/the-khandaan-podcast/4529) ! Follow us on Twitter (https://twitter.com/UpodCast) ! Like us on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/upodcasting/) ! You can follow all of us on @AmritaIQ (https://twitter.com/amritaIQ) , Sujoy on @9e3k (https://twitter.com/9e3k) and @asimburney (https://twitter.com/asimburney) Sujoy’s instagram which has amazing shots can be found here (https://www.instagram.com/9e3k/) , we strongly recommend you follow him!

Asim lost 80 pounds, sleeps way better and is well rested and energized, plus saves so much money on groceries with his carnivore lifestyle. This episode is hosted by MeatRx coach Amber. Find her at https://meatrx.com/product/amber-w/