Podcast appearances and mentions of Michelle Williams

Trauma, anxiety, depression and expectations can rob us from the very prayers we're asking God for. We often believe we're ready for the next level, but as we Redefine love of self, we're only going to grow to the extent that we're willing to heal. In this week's episode, we're checking in with American Grammy Award-winning singer, actress, author and podcast host, Michelle Williams As a true mental health advocate and one of the first celebrities who talked about their depression in public, Michelle joins us to discuss her latest book: Checking In: How Getting Real about Depression Saved My Life---and Can Save Yours.  Key discussion points from this episode include: 06:45 - Journey To Freedom 13:30 - Healing Generational Trauma  26:50 - Checking in With God & Self 36:55 - Empower Yourself  It's Time for Peace of Mind Takeaways   “I'm an eagle set free, finally I'm looking out for me.” - Michelle Williams “Now you get to walk into the future that God has planned.” - Michelle Williams   “You can be obedient and still grieve.” - Patrice Washington “Give yourself grace and space.” - Michelle Williams “I thought making money and being successful would heal my trauma.”- Michelle Williams “Maybe the stuff I prayed for I wasn't ready for.” - Michelle Williams “I don't want to be a public success and a private failure.” - Patrice Washington  “I believe God loves it when we give Him time.” - Michelle Williams   “I have to empower myself to make decisions.” - Michelle Williams “You're a soul first, you're a body first, you're a spirit first and that needs to be taken care of.” - Michelle Williams        Redefining Wealth Rapid Wisdom Questions And with that, let's dig into Michelle's responses to our Redefining Wealth Rapid Wisdom Questions. Define Success: “Peace of mind.”  Define Wealth in 3 Words or Less: "Freedom in mind, body, soul, and coin.”  One Book that Has Helped You Redefined Wealth For Yourself: Safe People by Henry Cloud & John Townsend  Fill-in the Blanks … “My name is ___ and the truth about wealth is ___”: “My name is Tenitra Michelle Williams and to me, the truth about wealth is you must be empowered yourself and give yourself permission to do what's best for you.” Connect With Michelle: Instagram: @michellewilliams | https://www.instagram.com/michellewilliams/?hl=en  Checking In Book: https://www.thomasnelson.com/p/checking-in/ Checking In with Michelle Williams Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/checking-in-with-michelle-williams/id1539709262 LINKS: Take The Redefining Wealth QUIZ: https://patricewashington.com/starthere/ Book Me To Speak: https://patricewashington.com/speaking/ Find Me On Instagram: @SeekWisdomPCW https://www.instagram.com/seekwisdompcw/

Mental Health Matters. In this special message, Pastor Jeremy DeWeerdt and Michelle Williams, formerly of Destiny's Child, have an open and honest conversation about depression, anxiety, and mental health as a whole. Discover practical truths that will help you improve your mental health and grow more and more into who God has designed you to be!

Mental Health Matters. In this special message, Pastor Jeremy DeWeerdt and Michelle Williams, formerly of Destiny's Child, have an open and honest conversation about depression, anxiety, and mental health as a whole. Discover practical truths that will help you improve your mental health and grow more and more into who God has designed you to be!

Let's welcome a couple of special guests. Olivia and Michelle Williams. This Mother and Daughter team is bringing a Music Festival back to Elon North Carolina. The Power and Sound Revival going on May 19th and 20th. A 2 day Music Festival that you won't want to miss. Listen to this episode and you will hear all you will need to be a part of the show. We even talked about next year and when you can start sending your band info. Website for Festival https://powerandsoundrevival.com A Spotify playlist of this years bands. https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6Egke59IsmCgdJj1JPFCKv?si=13474966bdd24cbb --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thegeorgiasongbirds/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thegeorgiasongbirds/support

Andy Farnsworth joins KSL-TV to help audiences decipher #WhatToWatch for the weekend of April 28, 2023. A true-to-the-book movie is here with the charming “Are You There God? It's Me, Margaret.” “Peter Pan & Wendy” flies not into theaters but to Disney Plus in the latest pretty-well-done version of the literary classic.  An original espionage action thriller series called “Citadel” hits big on Prime Video. While a streaming series remake of the movie “Fatal Attraction” lands on Paramount Plus. Apple Plus garners attention with the classic Children's book turned animated series “Frog & Toad” Oscar-nominated actress Michelle Williams stars in the movie “Showing Up;” also showing up in theaters is A movie about famous boxing legend/pastor/low-fat grill salesman “Big George Foreman,” and A movie about a giant shark that can eat military ships called “The Black Demon.” Beyond Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Gaming, and Tech, the brains behind Fan Effect are connoisseurs of categories surpassing the nerdy. Brilliant opinions and commentary on all things geek, but surprising knowledge and witty arguments over pop culture, Star Trek, MARVEL vs. DC, and a wide range of movies, TV shows, and more. Formerly known as SLC Fanboys, the show is hosted by Andy Farnsworth and KellieAnn Halvorsen, who are joined by guest experts. Based in the beautiful beehive state, Fan Effect celebrates Utah's unique fan culture as it has been declared The Nerdiest State in America by TIME.    Listen regularly on your favorite platform, at kslnewsradio.com, or on the KSL App. Join the conversation on Facebook @FanEffectShow, Instagram @FanEffectShow, and Twitter @FanEffectShow. Fan Effect is sponsored by Megaplex Theatres, Utah's premiere movie entertainment company. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

On this episode, JD and Jay discuss Kelly Reichardt's new film SHOWING UP, starring an excellent Michelle Williams! Simply, it may be the most Reichardt film to ever Reichardt.  Visit https://insessionfilm.com for march and more! Visit this episode's sponsor: https://koffeekult.com - Get 15% OFF with the code: ISF Thanks for listening and be sure to subscribe on your podcast app of choice! https://insessionfilm.com/subscribe Follow us on Twitter! @InSessionFilm | @RealJDDuran | @BrendanJCassidy | @ryanmcquade77 | @MrJayLedbetter

Erik Childress and Steve Prokopy owe it to the listeners to play a little catch-up. So they do. With 17 movies covering the past week they missed. They include four documentaries about nature (Wild Life), the culture of Chicago stand-up comedy (Out of the Loop), the fight to take back offensive mascots (Imagining the Indian) and a tribute to a beloved author (Judy Blume Forever). Michelle Williams makes art (Showing Up), Virginie Efira becomes stepmotherly (Other People's Children), Shailene Woodley is hired to do something (TO Catch a Killer) and Toni Collette inherits the mob (Mafia Mamma). Kelvin Harrison Jr. makes music (Chevalier), Ray Romano directs his first movie (Somewhere in Queens) and Broken Lizard tries to get over the hump with laughs (Quasi). Chris Evans and Ana De Armas piss the guys off (Ghosted) and Jake Gyllenhaal tries to save an interpreter (Guy Ritchie's The Covenant). Finally, Russell Crowe is an Italian priest (The Pope's Exorcist), Nicolas Cage is finally a vampire (Renfield), the book of the dead returns on vinyl (Evil Dead Rise) and Joaquin Phoenix channels Ari Aster's mommy issues (Beau is Afraid). 0:00 - Intro 2:29 - Wild Life 8:37 - Other People's Children 14:13 - Chevalier 22:52 - To Catch a Killer 29:23 – The Pope's Exorcist 38:30 - Out of the Loop 48:38 - Judy Blume Forever  58:00 - Imagining the Indian  1:10:08 - Showing Up  1:19:31 - Mafia Mamma 1:29:19 - Renfield 1:40:24 - Somewhere In Queens  1:53:47 - Quasi 2:03:18 - Ghosted 2:16:37 – The Covenant 2:23:51 - Evil Dead Rise 2:37:27 - Beau Is Afraid  2:54:59 - Outro

The Spin Chagrin, a concept that finds Frank having to watch a movie he's never seen before based on the random spin of a wheel filled with off-the-wall genres, continues into a new year. In this first ever international episode, Frank fulfills a 2022 challenge to watch Steven Spielberg's Oscar-nominated, The Fabelmans, starring Paul Dano, Michelle Williams, Seth Rogen, and Judd Hirsch. 

Ok...if you ever wanted to see DD completely out of his element, this is the show for you! All we can say is thank goodness for Peet and Suga! The cast was joined this week by Michelle Williams a Survey123 Jedi and she is amazing. If you're like DD and have little to no knowledge of Survey123, you're going to find tremendous value in this spirited conversation. One more tickler, Michelle's LI profile states that she "maps the crap out of your world"! If you need even more reason to listen, we also talked about finding your "why", the necessary components of a fruitful mentor/mentee relationship, and the power of having a good social media campaign. Bob Proctor was quoted. Music by Imagine Dragons!

This week on The Treatment, Elvis welcomes back Bill Hader, the Emmy-winning actor and co-creator of the HBO series “Barry,” which is now in its fourth and final season. Next, “Showing Up” director Kelly Reichardt and her frequent collaborator, Oscar-nominated actress Michelle Williams, sit down to talk about their film about a sculptor with drama in her personal relationships. And for The Treat, “Party Down” star Adam Scott explains why a gender-bending movie from 1982 is close to “perfect.” 

INTRODUCTION: EPISODE #100!!! AMOR ES ARTE | ARTE ES AMORLOVE IS ART | ART IS LOVEA memoir written by Andrew Velázquez Through the lens of lotería—the Latinx game of chance, I explore my experience of being gay, young, and a creative loco in East Los Angeles. I reimagine ten lotería cards to represent the people and events that shaped my first 40 years of life. Each chapter testifies to a lotería card image such as El Diablito (Little Devil), La Rosa (Rose), and La Muerte (Death). Using these cards of destiny, I find my true self to navigate the world. My memoir defies the conventional thinking that a sensitive, lonely barrio kid, traumatized by relationship abuse and family crises, eventually falls victim to gang violence, addiction, or suicide. I bring my stories and images together to show how I overcome self-destructive behavior and how I channel my energies toward a successful career in Hollywood's beauty industry. I tell an against-the-odds life story that connects self-acceptance to art and love. Andrew is also a makeup artist:This born and bred Angeleno always knew he was meant for a career in beauty. Andrew has created signature looks for some of Hollywood's brightest stars including Lady Gaga, Michelle Williams, RuPaul, Demi Levato, Neil Patrick Harris & Carmen Electra. As a makeup artist on ”Keeping Up with the Kardashians,” Andrew regularly created the sisters red carpet ready looks and at the 2010 MTV Video Music Awards, he was the key makeup artist for Florence and the Machine, including applying avatar-like body makeup for her radiant dancers.  INCLUDED IN THIS EPISODE (But not limited to): ·      Lots of Fan Clacking!!!·      Mí Corazón – Andrew's Makeup Line·      Amor Es Arte, Arte Es Amor – Andrew's Memoir·      Being Raised In The LatinX Community·      MADONNA·      Los Angeles Nostalgia ·      Prevalent Insecurity In the LGBTQIA+ Community ·      Coming Out·      Angels In The Psych Ward·      Andrew On American Beauty Star (Top Three)CONNECT WITH ANDREW: Website - Book - Makeup: https://AndrewVelazquez.comYouTube: https://www.YouTube.com/AndrewVelazquezInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/andrewvelazquez_Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/andrewvelazquezcom CONNECT WITH DE'VANNON: Website: https://www.SexDrugsAndJesus.comWebsite: https://www.DownUnderApparel.comTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@sexdrugsandjesusYouTube: https://bit.ly/3daTqCMFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/SexDrugsAndJesus/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sexdrugsandjesuspodcast/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TabooTopixLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/devannonPinterest: https://www.pinterest.es/SexDrugsAndJesus/_saved/Email: DeVannon@SDJPodcast.com  DE'VANNON'S RECOMMENDATIONS:·      Survivors of Narcissistic Abuse & Codependency Support Groups (Virtual) - https://www.meetup.com/pittsburgh-narcissism-survivor-meetup-group/·      COSA – 12 Step Recovery For Victims Of Compulsive Sexual Behavior - https://cosa-recovery.org·      A Recommended Reading To Help Heal From Narcissism - https://amzn.to/41sg6FO ·      Pray Away Documentary (NETFLIX)o  https://www.netflix.com/title/81040370o  TRAILER: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk_CqGVfxEs ·      OverviewBible (Jeffrey Kranz)o  https://overviewbible.como  https://www.youtube.com/c/OverviewBible ·      Hillsong: A Megachurch Exposed (Documentary)o  https://press.discoveryplus.com/lifestyle/discovery-announces-key-participants-featured-in-upcoming-expose-of-the-hillsong-church-controversy-hillsong-a-megachurch-exposed/ ·      Leaving Hillsong Podcast With Tanya Levino  https://leavinghillsong.podbean.com  ·      Upwork: https://www.upwork.com·      FreeUp: https://freeup.net VETERAN'S SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS ·      Disabled American Veterans (DAV): https://www.dav.org·      American Legion: https://www.legion.org ·      What The World Needs Now (Dionne Warwick): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfHAs9cdTqg INTERESTED IN PODCASTING OR BEING A GUEST?: ·      PodMatch is awesome! This application streamlines the process of finding guests for your show and also helps you find shows to be a guest on. The PodMatch Community is a part of this and that is where you can ask questions and get help from an entire network of people so that you save both money and time on your podcasting journey.https://podmatch.com/signup/devannon  TRANSCRIPT: ANDREW VELÁZQUEZ [00:00:00]You're listening to the sex drugs and Jesus podcast, where we discuss whatever the fuck we want to! And yes, we can put sex and drugs and Jesus all in the same bed and still be all right at the end of the day. My name is De'Vannon and I'll be interviewing guests from every corner of this world as we dig into topics that are too risqué for the morning show, as we strive to help you understand what's really going on in your life.There is nothing off the table and we've got a lot to talk about. So let's dive right into this episode.De'Vannon: Andrew Velázquez is here with me today to mark the 100th episode of The Sex Drugs in Jesus podcast, and that is a huge accomplishment. Y'all and I could not be more grateful. Thank you, God. Thank you everyone who listens to and supports this show now, Andrew has written the book, it's called.Love is art. Art is love or amor, esp.He also had the makeup line called me[00:01:00]and do the celebrity makeup artist and alsoan educator.Now in his memoir, Andrew defies the conventional thinking that a sensitive, lonely barrio kid who's been traumatized by relationship abuse and family crises must eventually fall victim of gang violence, addiction, or suicide. In his book, Andrew brings stories and images together to show how he was able to overcome self-destructive behavior.Establish a successful career and bring art and love together in a way that's never been done before.Now Andrew has created signature looks for some of Hollywood's brightest stars all including Lady Gaga, RuPaul Dimmi, Lovato, Neil, Patrick Harris, you name it. He's done. Please listen in as Andrew and I get real and vulnerable with you that are to help someone lonely, isolated, and hurting out there. We love you.Hello all of you beautiful people out there and welcome back to the Sex Drugs in Jesus podcast. I'm your host Devon, and I have with me [00:02:00] today for our 100th episodes, a beautiful, talented, incredible, lovely. Queer creative with a beautiful wavy hair that you see right there. Andrew Velazquez. Darling, how are you?Hello. Andrew: Good. How are you coming? So I had that, and if you need that sound audio again, that, De'Vannon: God, Andrew: that thing is huge. Thank you so much for having me. Yes. I'm gotta, I gotta get you one. I'm gonna send you one. De'Vannon: Gosh, that thing is to be beautiful. So y'all, so before I get into Andrew here, the 100th episode is a really big fucking deal.And why it is is because most podcasts is, I understand they don't make it to this point. People get into just about anything in this world for all kinds of reasons. And podcasting is one of those things that looks glitzy. It looks glamorous. So everybody wants to go run off and start a podcast. And [00:03:00]then you see most of them, I got like 10 episodes, 15 episodes, you know, or they might do like, you know, maybe like 10 episodes a year.You know, I hit the ground running a year before last, and I didn't stop. I released a show every week, nonstop, every Thursday, you know, you know, unless some shit done went down. But generally speaking, it's every Thursday. And so it's a really big fucking deal to make it to episode 100. This means I'm serious, that I'm committed.This is meant to be and it is gonna be here to stay. Andrew: Oh, happy for you. Congratulations, congrat. Congratulations. So happy for you. It is definitely a milestone. Yeah. Well earned, well deserved all De'Vannon: that. Thank you. And so, when I was toiling over who the hell I could get to, to share this moment with me Andrew's, Andrew's people reached out to me, and his story is so enigmatic, it's so cataclysmic, it's so polarizing, and I felt like I had so much in common with him.He's from Los Angeles. Everybody who [00:04:00] knows me knows the City of Angels is all I talk about. I love la I was out there in the military and everything. I'm obsessed with that city. And when I'm rich enough, I will go back and you know, I'm queer and I love me some Latin men, that's all the dick I used to get when I was out there.I, I've sat on plenty of Latin dick Andrew: and that's right. We're dangerous too though. We're spicy and dangerous. De'Vannon: So am I. So we always, along y'all, he's an author. He has his own memoir out. He and our both 40 years old, he's a celebrity makeup artist. He's worked with Lady Gaga, Demi Vato fucking like everybody.He's an educator. He's a spirit light worker. He is a healer. Y'all. He's, he, he's like me. You know, like, you don't have to worry about what you're gonna talk to with somebody like this cause he is done so much, you know, it's just how we're gonna get through this hour and give you credit. So he is literally [00:05:00] the definition of everything, and that is why he is here today for episode one.Double O tell us about yourself, Andrew: baby. Wow. I mean, that just, I, I have chills. Your listeners can't see this, but yeah. I am so honored to be here for your hundred episode. Congratulations on all of your successes and what you're doing. The service you provide, the light, I feel it, the energy that you're exuding, it's beautiful.And I know that your followers and your audience appreciate that too, because you're healing. That's why good things are coming to you. I'm gonna call you divine cuz I see only a divine human being in front of me and that's exactly what you are getting the divinity of, of life. And yeah, that's, that's my philosophy too is, you know, I first generation Mexican-American parents are immigrants from Mexico.They met in their teens and I was their first born in East La Boyle [00:06:00] Heights. And yeah, being raised in such like a macho area was a little difficult for me for being just a such creative, feminine, flamboyant kid. And everything that I was trying to be a kept being told that it was wrong.Cause you know, where my parents got married, it was like the church. I was raised Catholic, so I got baptized there. I did my first communion, I did catechism. All, you know, knowing that I'm sinning and because I like boys and trying to hide, that was just, It was heavy. It was really heavy. And my mom just was the first to be like my mentor, my icon.She introduced me to Madonna in the eighties, who I'm obsessed with. I am the proud owner of four Madonna tattoos. She's right here. There's, there's other ones. Yeah, this is from erotica. And she just celebrated her 30th year anniversary for the sex book, which was released here in Miami. [00:07:00]And so she was really like my first, I don't know, my first like muse, you know, watching my mom do her hair and makeup in the eighties and just taking me to cosmetology school while she was going.She just was fierce. Just drag hair, makeup, done, jewelry, accessories, and she was my queen. So for her to support my my arts and my interests in wanting to like be creative meant a lot for me. But, You know, helping raise my brothers. Cause I, I have three younger brothers and my dad worked as a mechanic during the day.A tow truck driver at night was a lot of responsibility for the oldest sibling to, you know, be a provider also and be their mentor. So I just remember like, I don't know, watching 9 0 2 oh saved by the bell and seeing the drama there. And I'm like, why don't I have that drama in my life? Why do these teenagers have all these dramas and I'm this perfect cookie cutter kid helping raise my brothers Like, this is not.[00:08:00] Hmm. So I made the drama and that's chapter three in my book called elto, which means little devil, I call it My bad. And that's really where I started to rebel. And, you know, we all go through like self-discovery and just that cross of like youth child into adolescence. You're not an adult. Yeah, it was just like an awakening moment.I went 180, I just flipped. Went from this perfect kid to just rebel partying with drag queens. Met my first club kids, went to the Rays and the nineties in LA was just all rage. It was so fun. They used to call me Space Boy and I would you know, dress in all these crazy like avan garde colorful outfits.And I finally felt like free and liberated with other creative people and, and queer people. Finally, like my first drag queens, you know talking [00:09:00] like Stacy Hollywood, DJ Irene, like these are the people that I used to party with like in the early nineties. Like it was the hard house. That was just the rage, right?Yeah. So Arena Circus the Alexandria Hotel, like, oh, I remember going to a rave at Knottsberry Farm. The K Rave. Yeah. And it was just so lit that these kids were jumping. Because NASP Prairie Farm had never done that. So they were literally jumping the gates trying to get into, into the rave and just like party out all night.But they canceled it right away and they shut it down. So they never had a rave at ATSP Farm again. But yeah, it was, that was, that was very liberating and finally feeling like I was part of this community. But with, with that nightlife there, there's also a dark side, right? There's also like alcohol, drugs and all of that.And finally, like, experimenting with boys and having my first experiences and [00:10:00] just being exposed to addict addiction and then realizing, oh, my mother, my mother's also an alcoholic and has been suffering from chronic depression. And I was basically her like right hand man. So that was the hardest part to, for her to she kind of like rejected me when I finally came out and.I just went through like, like a huge depression cuz here was this like queen that I used to look up to and then she said, no, this is the route you're going. Like, I don't want anything to do with it. And I ran away and left. But, you know, I remember I'm gonna be extremely vulnerable because that's like, what's, that's what's I think the most important thing to be authentic and, and expose like the truth to, to grow and learn from.But yeah, after a couple suicide attempts that were failed, I was [00:11:00] taken to hospital at psych Ward 51 50 where I discovered therapy. And I just remember having this epiphany and this like my aha moment, right? My my reality check where this young Latino man that was in that only spoke Spanish, looked at me and was like, Andrew, you don't belong here.Like you have a light. What? And, and this was, he was only telling me this in Spanish, and he would write me poetry. And I finally felt like, heard, seen and like I existed in that matter. So I remembered that very distinct moment saying, I don't wanna live this life. Like, I don't wanna go down this dark path.I realized the addiction can, can be real. And it's in my, it's genetically in our family. So I chose to follow my passion and my craft and my career. And at the age of 16, I graduated and took my GD and I just started my [00:12:00] my journey in, in the arts and the fashion industry. So fashion school, cosmetology school, and then working in retail, corporate cosmetics truly saved my life and.Here I am now been in the industry for 22 years, gonna be 23 next month. I've been independent freelance artist for eight years now. I'm a memoir, author of owner of a cosmetic company also. And it's all based around the same thing, like my culture, my passion, my craft. It's called Love is art.Art is love because for me, the other one cannot exist with the other. And in Spanish it's called. So that's the story. It's, it's a lot. I mean, to get the detail, you gotta read the book. I can't give too much away, but that's like the synopsis, De'Vannon: right? And so, yo the book covers beautiful, like he said, like the different cards and everything are on the front.[00:13:00]You know, in Spanish they call it Yeah. Good job. Good job. Yes. I was down till, like, a couple of weeks ago and they were complimenting on my Spanish, and now that I'm back here, it's like I can't fucking put three goddamn syllables. When Andrew: when you're in it. Yeah, when you're in it, it just, it just kind of rolls out. You gotta be in, in the community and then, or vela, that's when it really comes out.Exactly. Would all that, yes. De'Vannon: So I wanna go back and touch on a few things that you said. It, it registered me Absolutely heard you said that, you know, you were raised in that macho community and, you know, the, the Latino community can be very machismo, very toxic, toxically, masculine. Mm-hmm. And, you know, and so, mm-hmm.I remember when I was a kid, I was like super femme and everything like that. And I wanted to play with Ken and Barbie dolls and twirl [00:14:00] around and I'd wear my, me too, right? I'd wear my mother's heels and take a belt and make a dress out of an oversized shirt. And and my dad would take me out into the yard and, you know, insult me and berate me for being feminine and try to make me learn how to box and stuff like that.And I'm all like if I, Andrew: yeah, you're, you were in the De'Vannon: military. I went in the military when I was 17, but this is when I was like, in elementary school. He was out there trying to make me a man, whatever the fuck that's supposed to be, you know? I'm like, no, I wanna see what's under Ken's pants. Damn it.I know you're, Andrew: you're. Surprise though. It was just like flat or a little De'Vannon: bulge. Yes, I am a, I was a baby, right, Lester, when I was in the third grade deal with it. Judge me if you wanna. Andrew: And so we all had that. We all had that. De'Vannon: So I wanna know you mentioned you went from being [00:15:00] good to bad because everything was so good.You, you were trying to find the complications. I felt this way too. When I was in the church. I felt like I was a little bit too good when I get kicked out of the church. Then that's when I got caught up with the drag queens and the alcohol and the drugs. I became a drug dealer. Like you had felt, I felt liberated.I felt like I was being myself. I don't know if I was numbing some of that pain from being kicked out of church. I think I was with the drugs and alcohol. Tell me, did you ever get bad into alcohol or drugs or anything like that? Or, Andrew: or were you able to Oh yeah, absolutely. Yes, for sure. I definitely had some partners that, and some boyfriends that I probably were not the best choices.And in my book, this is chapter five , which is the spider. Just to give you a quick history on it, is Mexican bingo game of chance. And I was [00:16:00] mesmerized by all the artwork cause they resembled tarot, which I didn't even know at the time what tarot was as a child. Cause my mom introduced me to this game and my brothers.But later I realizing that with tarot and with Loya, each card has a symbol. So the reason I chose these tens specific cards is because they resonated with the timeline of my life. And so laa for me is the triggers and traumas of all the bad relationships. I'm not even gonna call 'em bad relationships.I'm gonna call them challenging relationships that have taught me because now I'm I'm at the point where I've done a lot of like self work and I mean, I'm still, I'm, I call myself. A student of University of Mother Nature and I'm always gonna be learning. And so all those moments have helped me realize, you know, that we're all just kind of like these lost little souls, like these lost little angels that are trying to like, figure out and navigate where the right path is.So these partners that I had that did have addiction problems [00:17:00] you know, at the time it was fun because like, yes, everyone's partying and you're just like, you wanting your wasted the quickest thing. I remember just waiting in line at Arena with like Mad Dog 2020 boondog, like the grossest stuff, but we would drink the fastest, cheapest shit to just like get the most shit wasted before we entered the club.Cause it was just like, we gotta get wasted before we get inside the club. Cuz we didn't, we were young, it was ages club, but we were not even old enough to drink and we were just, you know, getting wasted to. Loosen up dance and just like party all night. But through that, like fast forward into like my twenties, you know another Latino individual, this is a, I'm Mexican, so this is a different type of Latino.This, he was Columbian, Ecuadorian, and I just was a different world that I had an experience with, like the salsa me mbia, and then just [00:18:00] the, the lifestyle and the party of that culture. It just kinda like infatuated with me. But as as like fast and heavy and dangerous as it was, is as quick as I realized, like, whoa, this is, like, this can go dark.And he would drink all the time, you know, he would do drugs. He started going to like sex clubs and. I don't know what, where I was mentality wise. Like my self-esteem was just shot and I felt like this is the best that I can do, so I'm just gonna settle with it. I don't know, I really dunno where that came from.But I did, I got a D U I because this one time we partied and he wanted to continue to party and was threatening me if I didn't take him to get more liquor, that he was just gonna go to sex club and do like his own thing. So I felt like obligated [00:19:00] to, all right, I'm gonna take you. And he was driving and it was swerving and then I was like, no, let me take over.So a, after getting that D U I, I just, it was like my rock bottom. It was like my lowest of low because of the partner that I had chose the time. And I'm realizing later in reflection, like. I chose these partners for a reason. And I think I was trying to fix them. I think I was trying to groom them up cause I was introducing them to fashion and art and all that as well.And then all of a sudden they would change. And later I'm realizing like you were trying to fix yourself. Like you were actually, you are projecting what your insecurities were onto this individual and it just counteracted and affected you where you took the dark that was being, and, and you know, dark attracts each other, right?Like light attracts light. And so yeah, [00:20:00] I mean I, I obviously I'm not with that person anymore. Very happily married. We're 13 years together now and gonna be nine years married this May. And that's a lot for a gay man. And, you know, our, because it's, it's, but it's like I realized like I had to go through all those.Relationships and those triggers and traumas to, to like really fix me and love me for all of me. And that's when I, I was able to attract and the person that I kind of deserved and earned and, and actually saw me for me and didn't make me feel judged and didn't make, forced me to be something that I wasn't meant to be.You know? So I honestly, I'm even grateful for all those, those challenging moments for sure. De'Vannon: Right. And so I hear maturity, you know, in your words there because you understand how much good things come from the fire, from heat and intensity. You know, you've really [00:21:00]grown in life when you can grasp that and you don't look at problems and things that make you uncomfortable and things that hurt you as necessarily inherently negative, you know, cuz so much So when I, when I hear you talk about like the alcohol and the drugs and the sex, you know, vice.You know, it's one of the things that really take any anybody down in life. They are a gargantuan problem in the lgbtqia a plus community. Y'all, our people can't get picture is, can't get enough. Crystal meth, can't get enough, all that. Can't get enough Dick, can't get enough calm, can't get, can't get enough blow jobs, can't have enough origin for me.Andrew: For me it's work now though. But yes, there's always something De'Vannon: because you've grown to that point and you know, but before you had to go through being abused by all of these vices. And look, I'm not saying that there's nothing, anything inherently wrong with crystal meth and crack and cocaine and orgies and sex clubs.[00:22:00] But you know, bitch, when you at the sex club every night when you, and you leaving your boyfriend at home and not telling him you're going and when, or if you just at sex club every night, you single or you are high, Andrew: like it's gonna take a toll De'Vannon: eventually. It's gonna take a toll. But my point is, I need people, bitch, I need you to ask yourself what you really doing it for.Because after a point is not for the entertainment lonely or are you insecure? Are you seeking validation in these, right. Keep going back. So our community is hella insecure, no matter how pretty, we are always at the damn gym. Six packs, bubble butts everywhere. And don't nobody like the damn self. I don't see what the fucking point is.Andrew: What's the why? What is that all about? Like what? I'm still trying to figure that out. You know? What does RuPaul call it? Inner saboteur. Some people call it little bitch voice. Like, I think it's just learning how to navigate with that. Like it's [00:23:00] never gonna go away. It's always there. However you can. I, I think through writing this book and through the, the experience that I've, experiences that I have gone through have taught me that through trauma you can transform and triumph into power.You just have to believe it. You just have to know it. And, and really at the end of the day, it's being of service to others like, like you're doing with, with your audience and sh and, and sharing the knowledge and the, the growth. And that's, I think that's like the legacy we all need to leave behind as humans is through our, you know, journeys and our experiences that we can share that and, and share the growth and the tools that have helped shape us to where we are in a stable place, that, that truly brings happiness.Then that can also be infectious, just. And addicting as like alcohol and drugs and sex, you know what I mean? Like the positivity can also be just as addicting. And I [00:24:00] know that we share mutual podcast friends with a survivor to thrive and give 'em a little shout out. And they're on that same mission, you know what I mean?And I feel like it's not a coincidence that we've all been introduced to each other for, you know what I mean? During this time when it is the considered the, the most depressing time of the year, which is also my, happens to be my birthday December 27th. And now we're in January, which is melancholy and can be hard for our community or anybody going through mental health issues.So why not lift each other up and why not celebrate your struggles and, and transform them into something good, you know? Mm-hmm. Whatever that means for you. De'Vannon: The, yeah. Yeah. And I am gonna dig deeper into the mental health aspects of your book in just a moment. And y'all, like he said, you know, he's written his book to help the people's transparency that y'all heard me say a thousand times, [00:25:00] you know, is the greatest form of help because we learn and grow by listening to what other people have gone through.It is a trap when we think we're isolated and alone, when really the person sitting right next to us is either going through the same thing or has gone through the same thing. When I got H I v I thought I was the only one. I thought I was gonna die. I didn't know half the damn queens in Houston at the shit too.No one talked about that. We were too busy doing all the cocaine. Exactly. Doing all the cocaine at F Barn at South Beach, you know, and everywhere else. And at Jrs to do rather than to actually have real conversation. And so he, right, Andrea's wrote, written his book in order to help help some of you save your lives, to prevent you from committing suicide, to stop you from hurting other people, to stop you from hurting yourself.Cuz when you read that book, you're gonna know. Okay, this fucker went through the same shit. Maybe it's not just me. It is incredibly empowering to know that it's not just you or as they say over on Survivor, the thriver know that you are not alone. Andrew: [00:26:00] Absolutely. You said that beautifully. So I wanna know, and that, that's really No, go ahead.Sorry. De'Vannon: Yeah. I wanna know, you mentioned Catholicism from in the past. Mm-hmm. Where are you at in terms of spirituality today? Andrew: Like I said, yeah, I mean, I was born into that. It was it was all I knew, like it was, we lived on that block, you know, where my parents got married, where I was baptized, where I did my first commune and confirmation where I became a godfather.It was it was just when you're, when you're Mexican in east LA that's just what it is. Like, it just gets part, it's like peanut butter jelly comes with the territory. But And I I De'Vannon: about today specifically because people are born mm-hmm. Into all kinds of religions. I was born Pentecostal, you know, that's what you're okay for.Your family gives you, I don't feel like, like the learn behavior. Right. I feel like it's more valid once you become an [00:27:00] adult and you consider all the options. Mm-hmm. If you still wanna stay with that, then I think it becomes authentic. But until then you Yeah. What people told you to do. So what, what spiritually have you discovered for yourself?Andrew: I mean, obviously at that point, I, I, as a kid, I didn't agree with marriage only being between a man and a woman. And then, you know, just the, the history of the priests and the abuse and the, all that. I, I didn't agree with any of that. But even, even, even even Madonna too with Journey and her being Catholic and like a prayer and being the first advocate for l g BT Q, putting in her cd in her tape a condom and to protect se use protection for sex and literature on aids.Like, she was the first one to kind of give me a voice. And I, I felt seen, like [00:28:00] just the fact that I knew that I was gay. I felt like I was gonna get AIDS just because of that simple reason in the eighties and the nineties. But I mean, even that's kind of like part of my spirituality. So for me my husband and I go to non-denominational church.We are part of Unitarian. It's more of a communal thing. And it's more of just because they're accepting of everything. And the, the philosophy is to celebrate love, life human experiences. And it's, it's really lovely. I mean, it's. I ki I, I liked it because it brought me a little ba back to the nostalgia of the good things of going to church when I was Catholic.But I'm, I'm a spiritual person by Mother Nature and the universe. I believe in the law of attraction. I meditate every day. I practice gratitude. I journal, I visualize I consider my dogs my spirituality as well. I have dog, I have three dogs, you know, I have dog therapy [00:29:00] with them daily. I practice kind acts with others.I I'm an earth sign, so I love anything that has to do with the outdoors and just going on hikes and doing yoga. We're gonna do yoga tonight. You know, it's being healthy. We're both vegan, we're both animal lovers. My, my cosmetics is vegan and animal cru tea free as well. So I'm just, I'm a spiritual person as far as just energy, you know what I mean?Like this's just. What I love about being a human being is that I'm so connected with Mother Nature and we're all the same at the end of the day. Like there, it has nothing to do about your color of skin, your orientation, your gender, hus in your bedroom, what you eat, nothing like, we're all literally the same breathing things, elements, you know what I mean?It's looking at like, my veins is just like looking at the roots at a on a tree. [00:30:00] When you're like in a plane and you're looking down as the earth shrinks and you see all the little cracks in the rivers of, of earth, those are the veins of earth. It's all the same thing, you know? And so whatever spirituality is for the individual, if it makes them feel special and, and seen and that's, that's all that matters, whatever gives them that like happiness, that joy, that light.And for me it's, its mother nature. So that's my form of spirituality. De'Vannon: Okay. Look, I love to keep me a good garden in the back. I love eating off the, I love riding horses. You know, when I'm not riding Dick, you know, and everything like that. Exactly. Appreciate I can appreciate the fuck out of that. So, I wanna go back to this rejection of your mother because you know, she's a, you know, she sounds like the embodiment of a drag queen's in a straight woman's body.She supported you until you made it official. There's no goddamn way. She couldn't have already [00:31:00] known mothers. No, the bitch wasn't blind. I mean, I don't mean that insultingly. I mean that You're Andrew: good. You're good. De'Vannon: You know, I'm like, girl, you could see, you could read the tea. Andrew: I mean, I was going to the makeup.Yeah. So I was going through all De'Vannon: that. So, So you felt accepted and she already knew what it was. So it almost like for her, it might have been better if you never would've made it a official by saying the words. Hmm. So for those, for people out there, for queer people, especially Latinx people who have been rejected and there is a lot of rejection of L G B LGBTQ people because of how the Catholic church is, your culture is hella Catholic, you know?Mm-hmm. And so take me, take me back to when that rejection first happened and really give me some words to those feelings. Cause I want you to embody what somebody else is going through right there. I want you to vocalize that. Andrew: Yeah. [00:32:00] And 10th grade, and I, I think I had ditched school that day. I lived in a studio that was on the same property.My parents a lot of Mexicans do this where they build homes inside their homes and other. And it's just like a lot of houses. And so I, I, I was grateful for that cause I had a little bit of privacy, but my mom always had a key of course. And so I remember having my friends over the night before and we're listening to like Morris depe.And it was just kind like that vibe wearing all black, my doc Martins, you know, my black bomber jacket and drinking red wine and thinking we're cool and smoking marble red cigarettes. We were disgusting and clothes, but it was just, that was the thing that we did. And I just remember like waking up like hungover and it was time for school and I'm like, ah, I'm [00:33:00] not feeling it.I'm not gonna go. So I stayed home painted my fingernails and was just kind of like being lazy and just bumming around the house. And then my mom came in and like, just like, and Mexican moms. Can rage and just open the door and slammed and was like yelling, what are you doing in Spanish? Of course,you know, like all that kind of stuff. It was very . And and then she was like, picking up my jacket, picking up the bottles. She's like, what is this stuff? Why are your nails painted? Why are you dressing like this? What are you doing? Like, what are you gay? And that was the first time she had ever ever asked me that.And I finally like, I was so tired of yelling back and forth to like, I remember we were both yelling so much that we had to take a break to just take a, a breather. And then I finally yelled back and I said, yes, I'm [00:34:00] yay. You know, and a part of it felt good to just finally say it and vocalize it and to put it out into the universe, but also like seeing the sadness in her eyes did not feel good.And I just, I saw her like just kind of shrink and just, that made me shrink too. And then she just said, well, I don't support that. You're gonna have to leave you. If you're not gonna go to school, then you need to get outta here. And she left. And so I just remember feeling rejection alone, abandoned. Why am I here causing so much stress to all these people around me?And, you know, the per, the one person that I, that I thought was always gonna be my hero, that I, that supported me is now like, just telling me to get out and that I'm done with you. You're not good enough. Like when she said, De'Vannon: does she mean you no longer can [00:35:00] live here? Or when she's saying, I can't see your face today, what did she mean as a.Andrew: A teenager, I thought I took it as like, you, you don't, you're not gonna live here anymore. Like, if you're gonna live like that, you're not gonna live here. Like, those are the words that I heard. Yeah. That's how it sounds to me. So I, so I said, okay, and I, I did run away. Obviously I had to come back to get my stuff.And again, just going through the lows of the lows, seeing the alcohol, drinking that some more, discovering Tylenol pm, taking some of those. And the combination of it, I was just like, I was just, I was so sad. I was so alone that I didn't think I was able to get over this, like, low. So I just, I decided I wanted to take my own life.You know, I was gonna try and it [00:36:00] didn't work, you know, it didn't work. I woke up the next day. With my wrists, still bloody, but kind of like crusting and trying to heal just disorientated and dizzy from all the wine and the, the pills. And I'm like, all right, well, I guess I'm gonna go to work.I'm sorry to school. I didn't, it didn't work, you know, just put on my bomber jacket, go to school. I'm like, second period, get a call from the school counselor and says, you need to report to your school counselor's office. Get to the office. And they're like, your mom just called and apparently she went into your room and saw all this stuff and is really concerned about you.We need to see your wrist. And so I was hesitant, but obviously ended up showing, and they were like, all right, well you're a minor at this age in Roseville High School, we're not allowed to let you out of our site. We need to report to the center quad area, and we're gonna let you know what [00:37:00] is gonna happen to you then.So I get escorted with the security to the center of quad area. The bell rings and as the bell rings, the gates open up and an ambulance drives in as the ambulance is driving in the doors open and the security is escorting me into the ambulance. All the schoolmates come out running and seeing me getting into this ambulance and girl, I was mortified.I was, I was the most embarrassing moment and just kind of like, that's it. I'm over. I can never get back from this. There's no, there's not gonna be a way to fix this. You know what I mean? It was, it was very heavy, it was very embarrassing and exposing and was rushed off to White Memorial Hospital in Royal Heights, and they pumped my stomach and they stitched up my wrist and.[00:38:00]And yeah, I was admitted to a psych ward as a one 50 minor. It was who continued? Are you okay? Say what? I mean, it was, honestly, it hon, at that point I just surrendered. I, and I just kind of, I gave it to God at that point, you know, and was like, I'm just gonna be reborn. I'm gonna be a child. I'm gonna be infant.I'm gonna just let you guide me. This is where I'm supposed to be now to, to learn and to grow. I, I guess I'm gonna listen to these therapists. So I discovered therapy, which I fell in love with immediately cuz I'm finally being heard. I'm finally having tools and resources to, to help navigate my emotions, my feelings.And then I met that angel That young man that wrote me poems and [00:39:00] talked to me and said, you don't belong here. And told me I was special. And, and I finally like, believed it, you know? And that's, that's when I told you earlier that I made that conscious decision to not go down that route anymore.And I'm, I'm still in therapy to this day. I mean, it's not every week I mean like it used to be, but it definitely saved my life. And I feel that person was an angel. Cause fast forward to later, as I'm going through self-discovery and I'm writing my book and I'm journaling, I'm like, what happened to him?So I tried to research, but obviously through the privacy of hospitals, like they're not allowed to expose any information. But they were like, yeah, you were the only, they said you were the only one there in your room. So what the heck does that mean? You know, like they're saying that I was the only one in my room, but I distinctly remember this.Young man named Miguel telling me, you're, you're, you know, [00:40:00] you don't belong here. You, you need to follow the light. How long was Miguel? De'Vannon: That's crazy. How long was Miguel Andrew: in there with you? I mean, I, I was only in there for two weeks. He had already been there for a month. Mm-hmm. But yeah, I don't remember.We never exchanged numbers. Like So you think, I mean, we had pagers I think at the point, De'Vannon: right? So you think maybe it was, I remember the pager days. Beep, beep, beep, beep. Do you remember Uhhuh, I'm sorry you went through all of this and mental health is a big fucking deal in the queer community because a lot of our issues come from our parents because our parents have their own unresolved issues.The church has told them what to think about their own children. Not, not all mothers and parents are able. Be like, this is my child. I don't even a damn what the church has to say because, you know, our parents have their own issues. And so this is a huge reason why there's a lot of insecurity in our community.It comes from our own households. Now do you think this was son [00:41:00] who was in there with you, perhaps And y'all son, Miguel is just like son, son, Miguel, St. Michael, the Arche angel. Andrew: Yes, yes, yes. I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I, it was definitely an angel and I, when my mom I, I was born two days after Christmas.I was supposed to be born like on Christmas, but it happened to be two days after. And she said cuz she was really into Like astrology. And she used to watch Walter Melo, I dunno if you know Walter Melo, who it was like the famous like tarot card reader in in the Latino community. It was like the thing that we watch religiously every Sunday, like after the, the, no, it was Walter.And he would tell you like, capric, Corno, tourist, blah, blah, blah. So she, cause of him, she used to tell me, you, when you were born, the sun, the Earth and the Moon and Mercury were line and you were born at 6:05 AM I, they gave [00:42:00] me you, you, they gave you, oh, sorry, let me rephrase this. They gave me you in a red stalking and as you're going in my arms, I just saw a big star on your head and a light on your right side.And I'm just staring at this little gift in this red, like stalking this and I'm holding it. And so she kept telling me that as I was. Growing up, like you have a star, you have a light on your, so I don't know, I, I can't help but go back to that, you know what I mean? Like go back to these little angels, these little whether it's whoever, you know, maybe it's, maybe it's a drag queen that past life, but she's saving me.That's what I like to I feel like we all have some kind of angel to protect, you know, some kind of either light energy, whatever you want to call it, you know, it could be our [00:43:00] past ancestors or ancestors. It could be maybe your past self and your reincarnate. I don't know. But something was there.It was very prevalent. It was, and it was the moment that I changed my mind. Otherwise, I could have gone down that addiction route. I could have gone down, you know, The gang route and like been in the closet and continued to live this straight life because of course I acted like I was straight forever.Because that's what you do when you're in that kinda environment. Otherwise you're gonna get clocked, you know, and jumped and bullied and I was all those things. But yeah, I, I can only say like now being with my husband, his name is Johnny Debut for 13 years. Accepting me for all of me. My femininity, my masculine side.He, yeah, he's just, he's my homie for life and he's the one that's just [00:44:00] I don't know my mean, like reminded me to love myself too. And I'm just very grateful for that. Cause it's been, we've had a journey on our, on our own as well and the good and the bad and but yeah, we're best friends. He is, he is just been The rock for, for everything.And I'm gonna be that right back to him too. For sure. Hey, hey Johnny, De'Vannon: Daniel, whatever you ask me, introduce Savannah and I'm saying Andrew: hello, hello, hello, hello, hello. De'Vannon: Hey Johnny, how will I get to have cocktails with you one day? Yes. So let's lighten this up as we get, we're down like our last couple of minutes here.So we've talked about some darkness, bring some light, and so yeah, we, we get light through darkness and angels are real. You know, I've spoken about how they've appeared to me before, all kinds of places on the side of the street and restaurants, you know, and there's [00:45:00] been times where it's like nobody else even sees this person in here.And I'm not the only one talking to them and everything like that. I turn around sometimes my husband sees them. Now look, y'all, they don't, I've never had them, except for in dreams appear to me in any sort of glorious way. When they appear to me on the street, they're just plain clothes people. And then we talk mm-hmm.Stuff like that. And I turn around and then they're gone. One of my favorite appearances is one time I was out in my yard, this is the last time I ever touched a rake in my life when I was in high school, raking these leaves. I hate yard work. I'm like, can we get a fucking, can we get a fucking maid? Do you see my nails?I'm queer. I shouldn't be doing this. Ugh. So, so I'm raking this fucking leaves and I hate wet ground and, ugh. This, this, this black guy walks down the street and he's just like, Hey, be careful for those poisonous snakes. Now we are in the hood, you know, just in the middle of the city. Oh, we're not out in the country.Why the fuck would there be a snake? He's like, were you careful of those snakes? The next [00:46:00] pool, there was a goddamn damn poisoned snake flopping all around in. They're trying, oh, hell no. I threw that right down. I'm like, I don't, not a snake. I don't give a damn with my dad. I want me to do, ain't no more chores being done in this yard.I looked up that that guy had told me this, like not a split second, and I looked up and he was gone. And I had something like that happen when I was a kid. You know, they'll show up, say whatever. I looked down and I'm like, he, they can't take nobody. Run that damn fast. You know? Or as or as the Hebrew scripture tells us, you know, we've entertained angels at unawares and be careful how you treat strangers.Mm. Mm-hmm. Mm. Absolutely talk about makeup. So y'all, like he said, he has own makeup line. Oh,Andrew: it was a good segue. It was a good segue. Had to do it right. And De'Vannon: every time he cls that fan has a title of his book, AOR Art Arta Moore. Or love is art. Art is Love. Yes. So [00:47:00] his first color palette is, is called Me Corone, which stands for my heart, you know, in Spanish. Mm-hmm. Go ahead and hold it up. So, Ooh yes.It ain't no bunny ram harm in making that. That's what I'm here for. That shit is vibrant. Thank you. You know, every now and then, you know I might beat this face up. You know, I'm gonna have to get your shit. Oh, I would love Andrew: to do your makeup. Yes. Let's make that happen. Oh, don't. I'm gonna De'Vannon: be in LA soon. God.I pray to God the next time I go to Los Angeles, cuz I'm in Louisiana where I live now. I pray to God the next time I go to Los Angeles it's, I'm there to stay. God. Need to go Andrew: home. Wait, I'm actually gonna, I'm actually wait, I, I'm going to Nashville in February. De'Vannon: That's a bit away from Louisiana still. I mean it might be kinda like Yeah, you're right down here by New Orleans and stuff.So whenever you come to Mar are you ready to do you a Mardi Gras carnival? Andrew: We do [00:48:00] love New Orleans. Yes, I do. I got De'Vannon: you hooked up bruh. So, okay y'all, so he bought this show called American Beauty Star and that, that color palette, he just showed up. You know, go ahead and tell everybody like, you know where they can find that.Your website is gonna be in the show notes. I'm gonna put your link tree so people can find you in case you wanna go ahead and vocalize it. You can tell them where they can find that in your book. Andrew: Thank you so much. Yeah, you. Search for the show on Amazon Prime, just type American beauty star, and you can binge watch me on season one.I'm right there working all the magic. That's where I started writing a book as form of therapy. While we were quarantined, I had no access to devices, so I would resort back to my hotel room and just start drawing and went back to my roots. What brings me passion is that's my, my craft. And then I wrote the book.This has been a four year project. The first year was to [00:49:00] write and edit the book. The second year was to design the cover of the book as well as the cover of each chapter. So I took 10 models and painted them from head to toe and turned them into these characters that you see on, on the cover of the book that represent Theia cards.And through the process of making the body makeup is when I realized there was like a lack of pigment. So I went into product development and that's where I chose to create my first palette, which is called . And you can see like one of the actual models wearing the colors and all the artwork inside is in, is in, is the artwork that's infused into the book.So it's all part of the same brand. And then through that, seeing my models get emotional and hot and you know, sweaty, I decided to also make a fan, which is also part of the same collection. And all the artwork from the book is infused onto the fan. And I lastly have a calendar. Which is good [00:50:00]for 2023.So this is the only way you can get the actual print of each card is by having your Amos Art calendar. So you can find everything on amos art.com or love is art artist love.com and that's where you can shop for the palette, the fan, the calendar, and the book as well. You can also go to Amazon and search for the book and just type Andrew Velazquez.And then my website is andrew velazquez.com for my salon portfolio and all the thanks, beauty tutorials, et cetera, De'Vannon: all the things. I love the options. You know, are you a Sagittarius as well? Andrew: US gays like options too. De'Vannon: You right. That's damn true. So, you know, I'm born on December 16th. I need everything.And so, Andrew: oh, nice. We're close. Capric the 27th Capricorn. Yeah. Capricorn. Oh, you can? Yeah, you can come. I have a [00:51:00] Saurus Rising double Capricorn with the Sagittarius Rising and all my besties are Sagittarius as well. You can come De'Vannon: to the Sagittarius Ki Keani. I'm gonna get you in. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So this is, so I looked up a couple of the videos and y'all, I love Andrew's his Instagram and his YouTube channel or Clutch.He has this beautiful avatar, avant garde look that he does on this girl, which is so like on tempo right now with the way of the water just coming out. You know, he has a Marvel inspiration stuff that he does. Th this, he does full body art, not just face, you know, this is head to toe fear shit, bitch.Here. Shout out to Mama Ru Paul right now. So on, on this American Beauty star. We're gonna talk about Lady Gaga, RuPaul, dim Lovato last. It's gonna out. So you're good before that. American Beauty star. So I look this up. So you got this panel of judges, these people on here doing this makeup, Andrew's in charge of the full scale production for this Oh.Show and everything. And then they will [00:52:00] be judged just like you've seen on Project Runway, you know, all the different things. So Andrew comes out, this stone cold bitch is sitting there with like white hair, you know, white outfit. And the, the person that left the review, I, I don't, I, I don't think that was Christie.I think that was the other girl. And and Andrew: so anyway, it was Huda from Huda Beauty, De'Vannon: right? And so I think somebody might have thought she was a little bit too hard, but, you know, I was just leaving everybody's opinions for that. But you know, Andrew's out there on stage and they're like, are like Andrew and then all the stuff, no, every judge's face just has no fucking emotions.You know how they fuck with the contestants and, and they leave them there in silence. For, for what? Felt like an eternity for me. And I wasn't even the one on stage. Yeah. Felt like Andrew. He's all like, oh shit. The look on the look on your face. We loved your look.[00:53:00]Andrew: That's exactly how it was. Oh my God, you did your research. Well, you gonna be so goddamn dramatic right De'Vannon: now. I'm, I'm sitting here in my house, gimme a cup of tea to deal with this stress. And you know, Andrew did well. He made it to the top three. That's a big deal to be there that long with all of that shit going on.And I love the way that you would talk with your co, I guess competition, friends, I don't know exact term on set. Mm-hmm. You know, in the back. But it's almost like you were there like guide, you know, you were giving them advice and everything like that and like keeping them together. It was very nurturing the words you would say to them on this show.Talk to me about your experience on this show before we talk about Gaga. Andrew: Oh, yes. No oh my God. That it feels, what was it like five years ago? Yeah, it was five years ago. I had just wrapped working with [00:54:00] Tyra Banks on America's Next Top model. So, and that was like the third cycle that I had worked with her doing hair and makeup.And, and what I did while I was on Top Model is I absorbed her like a sponge, cuz I knew that this show, American Beauty Star was coming right around the corner. And so the premise of American Beauty Star was to basically be Tyra Banks create a director. So not only did I have to do hair and makeup, but I had to conceptualize and create the runway for the fashion show design, the wardrobe accessorize, design the nail.I also had to choose the music for the, the platform. I had to tell Emily Rose, the International Vogue cover director to photograph and tell the model how to pose. So all these things that I knew were coming up, I knew like, this is, this is what I do like this. I'm, I feel very good about this. I feel very confident going into this.And I'm gonna come in, in, in a [00:55:00] humble approach. And so that was my intent, right? Going into this and always putting the energy exuding out for my mother's health is what I would kind of like meditate every day on my own. Because they said, you're gonna be quarantined for three weeks. Do you have no access to your devices?You have no access to your loved ones. You're, this is a frozen hard environment, which is basically you can't talk, you can't speak unless the cameras are on. And it's a production strategy to conserve your energy for camera type. But it's also. A psyching test to test your patients, your stress levels.And it's so funny because that's where I started developing this little twitch that happens on my arm. It's actually happening right now as we speak. I don't know if you can see it, like the little eye on the, it's switching a little bit, whatever, to that degree. Yeah. And so and I never had that before until [00:56:00] this show, but because we were only allowed to bring paper and my old school like iPod, you shuffle, I would listen to music like Madonna Ray of Light.Obviously, you know, other people that would like made me zen. I came up with Zen Drew, and this is where I started drawing for the book and creating the concept behind of what I wanted to do. I didn't know I had a concept during the time of the the show though. I just knew that I was like, Journaling.This is my form of therapy. And so I, I, I, I listened to the direction from the judges. A Adrian a Lima is the host who I loved, and she's stunningly gorgeous, even more in person, more so in person. Serjan is our mentor whose Beyonce's makeup artist. And, you know because I had been in production on a reality competition show [00:57:00] before, I knew a little bit more, I had a little more insight on kind of what goes behind the scenes.But now I'm the one in front of the camera place on hard ice. So I kind of knew that there were, there was three parts to the, the production In the morning you would come in, dress in the outfit that you were in the last night's outfit that day we had to recreate for continuity, whatever we did on the challenge last night again.Then we would find out, like you saw with the white snow queen, that we were gonna stay or leave. And yes, I was sweating. My back was drenched and my arm was twitching. But my goal was to always listen to the, the, the feedback and put that into the next challenge. Then the second part of the day was your, your kind of like, your interviews and what you see in between they, they call 'em the confessionals.And so that's where oftentimes they would set you up with the producer [00:58:00] and they would ask you questions and I could pick up when they were trying to alter my answer or get something else outta me. And I would say, no, that's, that's not something that I would say. I'm not gonna say that. Don't ask me to say that.And I, I remember asking for a different producer when I didn't, when I was in vibing that, you know, the, this, this isn't coming out through for my best interest. This is coming out for. Airtime or production, and I'm not here for it. Like I wanna be authentic, Andrew and what I came up with, what's called my Zend.So they listened to that and I went, I had another producer, and she really made me feel like safe, made me feel heard, and, and, and I feel it's because of her. She was another angel that I was able to, to be vulnerable and to, and to be just true. And then the last part of the day was the next challenge.And then you're introduced to a new a new ex whatever [00:59:00] project you're gonna come up with. And I, I felt everybody's anxieties, right? I felt everyone's trying to, like some people were trying to be shady. So the what you see is real, you know, some of it, yes, it's beefed up because they want to stir up some drama specifically on America's next time model.But for American Beauty Star I think they were, they would, they would find. People's strengths and weaknesses and then enhanced them by and, you know what's the tar the right word? By instigating stuff and by asking right questions and by like probing. I wasn't here for it. I think they picked up on that.I think that's also why I didn't win. But I think that's why I made it to the finales because they knew like, oh, this guy, he's well put together. He's corporate, he's professional, but I wasn't drama. You know what I mean? And because I sense everyone else's anxieties, I would try to give them positivity and, and give them zen as and just tell [01:00:00] 'em to, Hey, just trust your, in your intuition.Just go with what brings you joy and follow that regardless of what everybody's telling you. Like follow that. And I feel like that's kind of like what helped me stay at towards the end. Although I didn't win in the winning title, I won so many other ways and growth and exposure and experience, I was able to open up a salon after that.And I'm very grateful for it, you know what I mean? Would I do it again? Absolutely. I would bring it on all stars. I will come back on season four and go up against my students, go up against whoever. And I'll win that. I'll win that bitch. I'll take that bitch home. Hell season four all stars. De'Vannon: Take me with you.I can I can supply the underwear. I'm sure y'all need a pit crew for my down under apparel brand. Hey, I can do something. Andrew: Let's go. De'Vannon: Okay. So then, so as you thank you for that breakdown. I love you had this fabulous experience and I just speak more exposure over you and riches, both in this world and in the one to come and in the [01:01:00] unseen realm too.Yes, Andrew: yes, yes. Between De'Vannon: Lady Gaga, RuPaul and Demi Lovato, which one of these can you give us the most dramatic story from, from working? Andrew: I mean, I can, I can talk about all of them briefly. Who did I work with first? It was probably RuPaul. We, Mac Cosmetics was the sponsor brand for season one, and through that sponsorship, David not only provided the cosmetics, they provided artistry support, which was myself and I managed the pro store on North Robertson in Beverly Hills and West Hollywood.So we were like the flagship that all entertainment would approach for. Sponsorship product, artistry help, whatever it was. So I worked on season one and we were in charge of just doing the guest judges. So I did like Michelle Williams from, you know, Destiny's Child. And Ru [01:02:00] Ru is just great.She's just such a big flirt and just you can feel her energy when she comes into the, the room. And this is still season one, so it was very fresh. I was invited to come back for season four this time through an agency and still do the guest judges and the pick crew as well. So we had to oil them up and and then you can see me actually on season four in the background cause they would sometimes have us be in the audience.And this is the one with Sharon Needles. I think who else was. Fifi O'Hara and they're fighting like on the wwf, kinda like wrestling. So you can see me in the back, like yelling. So that's a little behind the scenes. And then Gaga was through Sharon Gold, who was Madonna's hairstylist during the Blonde Ambition tour.And Sharon we're shop with us at Mac frequently to get product, to get her discount. Cause we offer, they offered a pro membership [01:03:00] discount for anybody in the industry. And so she hit us up once and said, Hey, I'm coming in tomorrow. Can you make sure that we have. A little private area. Yeah, absolutely.Yeah. We're gonna need your face charts, your pigments, and some brushes. I have an artist a musician that I'd love to introduce you guys to. She's new. She's up and coming. Okay, great. This is like during MySpace, right? So she was, they kept calling her a MySpace artist. I'm like, all right, cool, whatever.MySpace come in. All good. So here I meet this little tiny brunettes you know, skinny young, like 20 year old. She was like, twinky, right? Her name is Stephanie. And she is like, how do you, what do you do with these space charts? Show me how to use these space charts. I'm doing this music video and I want you to work on the music video.I'm like, okay, cool. Yeah. So I was Sharon's assistant for the music video love game. But again, not knowing who this individual was, I didn't even know her artist's name until we got to the set. And now they're saying, oh, you're working with Lady Gaga? Who's Lady Gaga? What is that? What does that [01:04:00] mean?And literally, In like a matter of two weeks, she was on logo Next, next now award show and overnight she just became this huge sensation and her album just like skyrocketed. And that was it. Like that was the one time consulting with her in the store and then working in the music video. And I will forever take that to my grave cause she's Queen, you know, to all of our LGBTQ community as well.And then Demi was for another big queer moment during the la gay Pride. And I was in charge of the avant garde body makeups. And I was also able to do her like glam that morning for a really don't care music video. So it was a 13 hour day. She's such a hard worker. I remember she just came back from Paris.She, this is when she used to shave the [01:05:00] CI of her hair. She's like, You know, can you clean me up? I didn't bring clippers cause I wasn't aware that I was gonna do like grooming and I, I just was prepared for makeup artistry. So I had to, th this is another fun fact I'm gonna share with your audience. I had to taper and sh and shave, fade the side of her head with lash scissors and a mascara one and just like a cute little blend to make it look tight.And then the rest of the day was turning these dancers into like mannequin avant garde, like avatar makeup. So like blue, pink, gold and black. And it was hot during real life on afloat, during la gay pride in a little pickup truck behind her, touching her up every so often and touching them up. Just exhausting, but, you know, really, really great to work with.And she was very gracious. And this is when she was dating I forget his name. The my Latino, I should [01:06:00] know his name, HETE. But anyhow, it was a, it was a great experience. She was fun. Gaga was fun, RuPaul was fun, and I love them all as artists. I think what they represent as, you know, ex a self-expression and what they do for our community is just, is awesome.So I'm gonna forever take that to my grave. Hell yeah. And De'Vannon: look, I hopefully you get to work with them again. I speak it so. Mm-hmm. So I've

My guest today is Tracy Hudson.  The average American woman's beauty routine exposes her to more than 150 different toxins and chemicals every single day. For Tracy Hudson Skin Care, nothing about that is acceptable.  As a celebrity esthetician training in dermatology working alongside a physician and dermatologist since 2006, Tracy has researched skin, educating her audience, and building an award-winning line of products. Her hands-on experience as an esthetician and trusted skin care expert has created a real-world solution — products that are formulated for different types of skin so your face will get exactly what it needs to look and feel its best.   Tracy has a long list of notable clients including Monica, DL Hughley, Andra Day, Anthony Anderson, Courtney B. Vance, Michelle Williams, Solange Knowles, Tyler The Creator, and Bresha Webb.  Please welcome to Money Making Conversations Master Class Tracy Hudson.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jordan and Brooke are joined by writer, podcaster, and LOVER OF CINEMA Emily St. James for a great film made by a great guy. Listen along as we become "Sammy Fabelman is a queer icon" truthers, dissect this film as a pushback against traditional American ideals, talk the instant camp (and camping) classic that is Michelle Williams' performance and, as always, have a Taylor Swift sidebar.Follow us on Twitter and IG! (And Jordan's Letterboxd / Brooke's Letterboxd)Folly Emily on Twitter!This episode is sponsored by Super Yaki! Use code: SUPERQQ for 10% off

My guest today is Jackson Dunbar.  Life was almost perfect for Social Entrepreneur Jackson Dunbar; the founder of The WellMed Foundation and WellMed/Atlanta, a privately owned Psychiatric Medical firm. Once thriving in the Healthcare space, Dunbar heavily invested in the stock market, building a handsome portfolio that fueled his companies' growth and local job creation. It seemed that everything was going extremely well, until a tragic car accident nearly took his life. Thankfully, he lived, but he lost his quality of life as Chronic Pain made it impossible for him to walk normally, play with his kids, or even hug his wife.  In his tell-all book, RACE MATTERS IN PAIN MEDICINE, Jackson Dunbar, Esq. gives a first-hand account on how he ‘Made Money, Lost 90 Lbs. and Thrived in Chronic Pain".  Please welcome to Money Making Conversations Master Class Jackson Dunbar. My guest today is Tracy Hudson.  The average American woman's beauty routine exposes her to more than 150 different toxins and chemicals every single day. For Tracy Hudson Skin Care, nothing about that is acceptable.  As a celebrity esthetician training in dermatology working alongside a physician and dermatologist since 2006, Tracy has researched skin, educating her audience, and building an award-winning line of products. Her hands-on experience as an esthetician and trusted skin care expert has created a real-world solution — products that are formulated for different types of skin so your face will get exactly what it needs to look and feel its best.   Tracy has a long list of notable clients including Monica, DL Hughley, Andra Day, Anthony Anderson, Courtney B. Vance, Michelle Williams, Solange Knowles, Tyler The Creator, and Bresha Webb.  Please welcome to Money Making Conversations Master Class Tracy Hudson.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode, Nate and Dylan give their spoiler-free review of the new film from director  Kelly Reichardt, "Showing Up", starring Michelle Williams and Hong Chau. Listen now!

In Showing Up, Michelle Williams plays a sculptor preparing to exhibit her work in a small art gallery, even as family and friends complicate her life and steal her focus. It's the latest feature from Kelly Reichardt, a director known for quiet, intimate films about isolation, alienation, and community.

Today, we sit with brilliant actor Michelle Williams! At the top, we walk through the making of Showing Up (6:05), Williams' fifteen-year partnership with director Kelly Reichardt (8:10), and her upbringing in Montana and San Diego (10:42). Then, she describes coming of age on the set of Dawson's Creek (14:50), her pivotal turn in Tracy Letts' Killer Joe (20:00), and her path to Ang Lee's Brokeback Mountain (26:10). On the back-half, we discuss a healing passage from Rebecca Solnit's A Field Guide to Getting Lost (29:37), Williams' memorable performances in Blue Valentine (32:12) and My Week with Marilyn (37:47), and her final day shooting The Fabelmans (40:50). To close, she shares how she remains present as a mother (45:40), a formative Walt Whitman quote (47:22), and how—at age 42—she's begun to create from “a place of peace.” (50:36).See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This week we're reviewing MAFIA MAMMA and SHOWING UP! We start by discussing Kelly Reichardt's dramedy SHOWING UP (3:22), which stars Michelle Williams as a sculptor trying to pursue her artistic work while contending with the struggles of daily life. Next, we cover Catherine Hardwicke's comedy MAFIA MAMMA (27:42), which stars Toni Collette as an American woman who inherits her grandfather's mafia empire in Italy and has to decide how she wants to run her crime family. And in this week's Patreon exclusive audio, in honor of its upcoming Amazon Prime Video adaptation, we're talking about David Cronenberg's 1988 thriller/horror film DEAD RINGERS starring Jeremy Irons! 

Sean and Amanda discuss ‘How to Blow Up a Pipeline' and Kelly Reichardt's ‘Showing Up' (1:00) before checking in on several 2023 releases they missed on the show this year. Then, Sean is joined by Michelle Williams and Reichardt to discuss their fourth collaboration, ‘Showing Up' (1:07:00). Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guests: Michelle Williams and Kelly Reichardt Producer: Bobby Wagner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Michelle says she's homeless because Kelsey stopped paying rent which led to them losing their apartment. Kelsey says Michelle cheated on him emotionally with another man.

We've got high and low cinema for you on the latest episode of Breakfast All Day. First, we review "The Super Mario Bros. Movie," which is not good, but being a fan of the game probably helps. Then, we discuss the latest from indie film icon Kelly Reichardt, "Showing Up," which marks her fourth collaboration with Michelle Williams. And over at our Patreon, we recap the latest episodes of "The Mandalorian" and "Ted Lasso." No news this time -- we had a weird recording schedule in order to see "Beau Is Afraid," but the good news about that is we'll have a review of Ari Aster's three-hour hellscape exploration on Tuesday. So come on back then! 

In 2020 I got to interview Mary Beth Peil, who's known for her illustrious career in both Television and Theatre. Mary Beth's first TV series regular role was playing "Grams" on the WB's Dawson's Creek. Dawson's Creek ended its run 20 years ago in May 2003. In this special episode, Mary Beth reveals: How she got cast on Dawson's Creek What is was like working with Michelle Williams And how Dawson's Creek reunited her with James Van Der Beek Stream Dawson's Creek on Hulu, HBO Max or Amazon Prime Like What You Hear? Follow me on social media @CallMeAdamNYC Special Thanks: Theme Song by Bobby Cronin Podcast Logo by Liam O'Donnell  More on Mary Beth Peil: Mary Beth Peil started her professional career touring with Boris Goldovsky's opera company and the Metropolitan Opera's national company in Mozart and da Ponte's The Marriage of Figaro. She also sang with the New York City Opera. After a starring turn in an out of town production of Kiss Me, Kate, Mary Beth Peil found herself on the national tour The King and I, as the twelfth and final Anna Leonowens opposite Yul Brynner. The production toured the United States, closing on Broadway shortly before Brynner's death in 1985. Mary Beth was nominated for a Tony Award for “Best Performance by a Featured Actress in a Musical.” Her other theatrical credits include: Sweeney Todd at the Kennedy Center, the Broadway revival of Nine where she played The Mother to Antonio Banderas' Guido, Roundabout Theatre's Broadway revival of Stephen Sondheim's Sunday in the Park with George, the Lincoln Center Theater production of the Broadway musical Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown, based upon the movie of the same name, Stephen Sondheim's Follies and most recently Broadway's Anastasia as Dowager Empress Maria Feodorovna, in which Mary Beth was nominated for a Tony Award, Drama Desk Award, and Outer Critics Circle Award in the category of “Best Featured Actress in a Musical.” In addition to her stage work, Mary Beth Peil is known to millions of TV viewers for her roles on the CW's Dawson's Creek (as Grams, the grandmother to Michelle Williams' character) & CBS' The Good Wife, where she played Jackie Florrick, the mother of Chris Noth's character. Additionally, Mary Beth has been seen in Showtime's The Reagans as Nancy Reagan's mother, NBC's Law & Order and Law & Order: SVU, Fringe, and The VIllage. Mary Beth has also appeared in such films as The Odd Couple II, playing Jack Lemmon's love interest, Jersey Girl, The Stepford Wives, Shortbus, Mirrors, and many others. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Michael Phillips (Chicago Tribune) joins Adam for reviews of Ben Affleck's “Air” and more new releases. Plus Adam's conversation with Kelly Reichardt about her latest starring Michelle Williams, “Showing Up.” -Review: "Air: Courting a Legend" (04:14) -Review: “Paint” (17:32) -Review: “Pretty Baby: Brooke Shields” (30:37) -Filmspotting Madness Finals (51:05) -Interview: Kelly Reichardt (01:03:00) -Review: “Showing Up” (01:17:42) (Times may not be precise with ads) Resources/Links: -”Bob Ross: Happy Accidents, Betrayal, & Greed” https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/bob-ross-happy-accidents-betrayal-and-greed-movie-review-2021 -Ceramicist Cynthia Lahti https://www.cynthialahti.com/ -Sculpter Michelle Segre http://michellesegre.com/ -Filmspotting Madness https://filmspotting.net/madness -Ebert Interruptus at the Conference on World Affairs https://www.colorado.edu/cwa/attend/cwa-week/2023-schedule -RSVP for the Filmspotting/Interruptus Meetup on April 14 in Boulder https://forms.gle/g94gesMV8Nrpccxu9 Feedback: Email us at feedback@filmspotting.net. Ask Us Anything and we might answer your question in bonus content. Support us: -Join the Filmspotting Family for bonus episodes and complete archive access. http://filmspottingfamily.com -T-shirts (and more) on sale at the Filmspotting Shop. https://filmspotting.net/shop Where else you can find us: https://twitter.com/filmspotting https://facebook.com/filmspotting https://letterboxd.com/filmspotting https://twitter.com/larsenonfilm https://facebook.com/larsenonfilm https://letterboxd.com/larsenonfilm Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Michelle says she's homeless because Kelsey stopped paying rent which led to them losing their apartment. Kelsey says Michelle cheated on him emotionally with another man.

Michelle Williams discussed with "The View" co-hosts why she enjoys taking on difficult characters and shared about her latest role in the film "Showing Up." Leslie Odom Jr. and Nicolette Robinson shared how their nighttime ritual with their two children inspired their new children's book, "I Love You More Than You'll Ever Know." Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week the cinema legend returns with the biopic of his early life in the 2022 film The Fabelmans. Directed by Steven Spielberg, who co-wrote and produced it with Tony Kushner the film is told through an original story of the fictional Sammy Fabelman, a young aspiring filmmaker who explores how the power of films can help him see the truth about his dysfunctional family and those around him. It stars Gabriel LaBelle as Sammy, alongside Michelle Williams, Paul Dano, Seth Rogen, and Judd Hirsch in supporting roles. Come join us!! Website : http://tortelliniatnoon.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tortelliniatnoonpodcast/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TortelliniAtNoon Twitter: https://twitter.com/PastaMoviePod

First, Rebecca Ford catches up with the star of the breakout hit ABC series, who won a Golden Globe in January for his performance but says the SAG Award he shared with his entire cast was an even bigger moment. Then, Katey Rich talks to Kelly Reichardt, who reunites with her frequent star Michelle Williams for the art-school-set comedy Showing Up. Follow us on Twitter and Instagram @vfawardsinsider Email us at littlegoldmen@vf.com Follow our hosts: @kateyrich, @rilaws, @beccamford, @davidcanfield97  Our editor and producer is Brett Fuchs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

An in depth and irreverent look at 90's TV classic Dawson's Creek hosted by Kathryn and Katie. This week, we've got an episode that has sone genuinely hateful things. Jen is being weird because… Dawson, Jack is being gaslighted by the frat brahs, Pacey is barely present and Joey? Less said about that the better. Also, Kathryn does not mind Oliver, don't come at her. We're chatting why Michelle Williams is a truly excellent actor, finding someone more dysfunctional than Katie to get advice from, how Oliver is a hottie now and, of course, were screaming about Wilder A LOT. Also, Katie is complete smashed by the end of this episode. So, let's work on a script (we don't want to though!), act giddily over Dawson (weird), work through some terrible binary oppositions linked to the appalling Wilder and finally punch a frat brah in the face. By the way, we love your trapper keeper! If you're enjoying this podcast, please like, subscribe, follow, rate, review or whatever other variety of verbs your podcast platform might use.Email dawsonsweaklypod@gmail.com Instagram @dawsonsweaklypodTwitter @dawsonsweaklyFacebook @dawsonsweakly Support the show

In this week's episode of the Black Girl Nerds podcast, we interview actors Michelle Williams, Hong Chau and director Kelly Reichardt of the upcoming film 'Showing Up'. A sculptor preparing to open a new show must balance her creative life with the daily dramas of family and friends, in Kelly Reichardt's vibrant and captivatingly funny portrait of art & craft.  Host: Jeandra Edited by: Jamie Broadnax

In this week's Sunday Sitdown, Willie got together with Actress Michelle Williams in Brooklyn. They discuss her latest acclaimed film, the emotional moment when Steven Spielberg saw her playing the role of his own mother in The Fabelmans, and why her experience on Dawson's Creek has guided her career.

Our semi-comprehensive dive into this year's Best Picture nominees at the Oscars comes to an end with The Fabelmans! Ben, Bree, Sam, and Vaz dance in the headlights, dream about punching Seth Rogen, and move to Arizona and then Northern California to discuss Steven Spielberg's semi-autobiographical coming of age film... and I promise the episodes will be back to normal length next month! Directed by Steven Spielberg, who co-wrote it with Tony Kushner. Starring Gabriel LaBelle, Michelle Williams, Paul Dano, Seth Rogen, and Judd Hirsch.

"Lee-gacy" is here! And yes, we're covering Ang Lee, y'know, that bloke that played the CGI Hulk in his movie. We don't cover HULK in any capacity other than by mentioning Ryan's favourite behind the scenes featurette of all time but we do cover 3 films that happen to be in sequential order. First up we have a film that probably needs no introduction. You know what this film is the minute you mutter its title; BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN. It's simply a masterpiece. You've got Heath Ledger, you've got Jake Gyllenhaal, you've got it all.It doesn't take much to have Ryan and Laura in tears but if you're not emotional at any point in this film, you might want to talk to someone about getting that swinging stone removed from where your heart used to be. 

The Fabelmans is a 2022 American coming-of-age drama film directed by Steven Spielberg, who co-wrote and produced it with Tony Kushner. The film is a semi-autobiographical story loosely based on Spielberg's adolescence and first years as a filmmaker. It's told through an original story of the fictional Sammy Fabelman, a young aspiring filmmaker who explores how the power of films can help him see the truth about his dysfunctional family and those around him. It stars Gabriel LaBelle as Sammy, alongside Michelle Williams, Paul Dano, Seth Rogen, and Judd Hirsch in supporting roles. The film is dedicated to the memories of Spielberg's real-life parents, Leah Adler and Arnold Spielberg, who died in 2017 and 2020 respectively. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fabelmans “Everything happens for a reason. “

Chris and Taylor review 2022 coming-of-age drama film, The Fabelmans, directed by Steven Spielberg, who co-wrote and produced it with Tony Kushner. The film is a semi-autobiographical story loosely based on Spielberg's adolescence and first years as a filmmaker. It's told through an original story of the fictional Sammy Fabelman, a young aspiring filmmaker who explores how the power of films can help him see the truth about his dysfunctional family and those around him. It stars Gabriel LaBelle, Michelle Williams, Paul Dano, Seth Rogen, Greg Gunberg, Chloe East, David Lynch and Judd Hirsch. Follow us on:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thepotentialpodcast/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thepotentialpodcast/Twitter: https://twitter.com/thepotentialpodThanks to our sponsors:Keen: get your first 10 minutes with any psychic advisor for only 1.99 with our link - that's $99 In savings: https://trykeen.com/potential

The long-awaited second part of the Certain Women episode is here! First, they're screaming bloody murder about Boston Strangler, Scream VI, and John Wick: Chapter 4. Then they cool it way, way down with our Top 3 Kelly Reichardt film performances. Will Sister Kristen Stewart, object of affection for certain people, appear on either Josh or Andrew's lists? How many times will Michelle Williams appear? After answering those questions, they've got One More Thing with too rarely talked-about things: Turner Classic Movies and Succession. Up next is the final entry in this program with Dr. Ana Quiring returning to discuss the forgotten Stewart vehicle, Elizabeth Banks' Charlie's Angels reboot. Please share, subscribe, and review! Follow us @thetakeupstl on Instagram/Twitter/Letterboxd/Facebook. Special thanks to Editor Jessica Pierce, Social Media Manager Kayla McCulloch, and partners Cinema St. Louis. Theme music by AMP. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thetakeupstl/message

This week, Busy is headed back to work on Girls5Eva…this time for NETFLIX! And she's also headed back into the dating pool where she maybe made out with someone? Then, fresh off her 5th Oscar nomination, BFF Michelle Williams joins the pod to tell Busy what she missed not being at the Academy Awards this year, plus a bunch of other stuff you'd talk to your very best friend about. Then, Caissie shocks Busy by asserting that she's never had Botox. But one of this podcast's co-hosts *has* recently gotten Botox. Find out who! SPONSORS: http://Mylio.com/BEST for 30% off your first year of Mylio, the smart powerful system for managing years of photos, videos and documents across all your devices http://MyKitsch.com/BEST for 30% off your entire order of affordable yet luxurious haircare and self-care essentials http://BEISTRAVEL.COM/best for 15% off your first luggage purchase http://blueland.com/BEST for 15% off your first order of beautiful, endlessly refillable home cleaning products http://DrinkLMNT.com/BEST for a free 8 flavor sample pack of LMNT electrolyte drink mix with any order http://HiyaHealth.com/BUSY for 50% off your first order of pediatrician approved superpowered chewable children's vitamins

It's what everyone's been asking for... A two-part, two-hour podcast episode (mostly) about Kelly Reichardt's 2017 anthology "western" Certain Women! Andrew and Josh go long for Andrew's pick in the Sister Kristen program. Certain women are certainly discussed: Laura Dern's consternation, Lilly Gladstone missing in action, Michelle Williams smoking a cigarette, and why Kristen Stewart is everyone's object of affection. Josh brings up Todd Haynes. Andrew brings up the existential crisis of never truly knowing another person. They've gone hog wild here! In two days, we'll drop the second half of the episode, featuring Now Showing reviews of the latest Scream and John Wick installments and our Top 3 Kelly Reichardt film performances. Please share, subscribe, and review! Follow us @thetakeupstl on Instagram/Twitter/Letterboxd/Facebook. Special thanks to Editor Jessica Pierce, Social Media Manager Kayla McCulloch, and partners Cinema St. Louis. Theme music by AMP. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thetakeupstl/message

Michelle Williams is one of Hollywood's most respected actors. Her latest film SHOWING UP will be released in theaters April 7th and is her fourth collaboration with writer-director Kelly Reichardt. Most recently she starred in Steven Spielberg's THE FABELMANS for which she received her fifth Academy Award nomination as well as a Golden Globe and Critics Choice nomination. Her other films include Marvel's VENOM and the sequel, VENOM: LET THERE BE CARNAGE; MANCHESTER BY THE SEA; MY WEEK WITH MARILYN; BLUE VALENTINE; BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN; WENDY AND LUCY and a many other critically acclaimed, award-winning films. She's won an Emmy for playing Gwen Verdon in FX's “Fosse/Verdon.” And she's also a Tony-nominated actor who made her Broadway debut in CABARET. Please join Michelle and I for this in-depth, honest, emotional conversation about family, life, love, loss, grief and of course her incredible acting journey through film, television and theater. Got somethin' to say?! Email us at BackroomAndy@gmail.com Leave us a message: 845-307-7446 Twitter: @AndyOstroy Produced by Andy Ostroy and Matty Rosenberg @ Radio Free Rhiniecliff Associate producer Jennifer Hammoud Music by Andrew Hollander Design by Cricket Lengyel

The Carillon Miami Wellness Resort is at the forefront of the wellness industry, boasting an impressive list of cutting-edge treatments to jump start your “new you” ethos. From touchless wellness treatments to anti-aging and preventative health programs, to extensive fitness offerings and pool and beach access, the property sets the tone for wellness standards across the country and is perfect for a new year renewal. Tammy Pahel, VP of Spa and Welness Operations for Carillon Miami Wellness Resort joins Michelle to talk about all the resort has to offer.Distinctive Assets, the LA-based entertainment marketing company credited with transforming celebrity gifting into a pop culture phenomenon, will yet again be independently producing their legendary “Everyone Wins” Nominee Gift Bags, which have become the most buzzed-about swag in history! This year's top acting and directing nominees including Austin Butler, Colin Farrell, Cate Blanchett, Ana de Armas, Michelle Williams, Michelle Yeoh, Judd Hirsch, Angela Bassett, Jamie Lee Curtis, Todd Field and Steven Spielberg will be treated to a six-figure gift bag intended to pamper, delight, surprise and inspire…regardless of whether or not they take home that iconic gold statue. Lash Fary, founder of Distinctive Assets, joins Michelle to discuss what is in this year's "Everyone Wins" Gift Bag.Dr. Stephen Ridella, Director, Office of Defects Investigation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, joins Michelle to talk about why it's important to stay on top of safety recalls on your vehicle. As we prepare for Daylight Saving Time on March 12, 2023, many Americans are reminded to conduct simple safety checks around the home, such as changing the batteries in their smoke detectors and furnace filters. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) continues its effort to ‘spring forward' to safety by encouraging consumers to check their vehicles for safety recalls twice a year—timed conveniently with the beginning and end of Daylight Saving Time. During the annual Vehicle Safety Recalls Week, drivers are urged to utilize NHTSA's free VIN lookup tool on NHTSA.gov and the SaferCar app.

On this episode: The gang weighs in on their Oscar prediction, and Tyler gives us the downloads on The Razzies. PLUS! The reboot movie that none of us expected, and not another Teen cartoon movie?? In news: Truancy, Mountain Dew, N-word pass, 2023 Oscars, Angela Bassett, Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, Hong Chou, The Whale, Kerry Condon, The Banshees of Inisherin, James Lee Curtis, Everything Everywhere All At Once, Stephanie Hsu, Brendan Gleason, Ke Huy Quan, Bryan Tyree Henry Causeway, Judd Irish, The Fabelman's Barry Keoghan, Cate Blanchett, Tar, Ana De Armas, Blonde, Andrea Riseborough, To Leslie, Michelle Williams, Michelle Yeoh, Auston Butler, Elvis, Colin Farrel, Brendan Fraser, Paul Mescal, Aftersun, Bill Nighy, Living, Eddie Murphy, The Nutty Professor, Martin McDonagh, Daniel Kwan, Daniel Scheinert, Steven Spielberg, Todd Field, Ruben Ostlund, Triangle of Sadness, Interesting Ball, Pockets, All Quiet on the Western Front, Avatar: The Way of Water, Top Gun: Maverick, Women Talking, Hugo, The Artist, Slide fight, The Batman, Greig Fraser, Anya Taylor Joy, Emma Stone, Jennifer Lawrence, The Razzies, Jake Lloyd, Star Wars, Ryan Kiera Armstrong, Firestarter, Blonde, Marilyn Monroe, Jared Leto, Morbius, Tom Hanks, Adria Arjorna, Machine Gun Kelly, Colson Baker, Mod Sun, Good Mourning, Andrew Dominik, Netflix, The Room, Bob Odenkirk, Johnny, Tommy, Slash Film, James Franco, Bob Odendirk, AmFar, The Room, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem, Into the Spiderverse, Seth Rogan, Nicholas Cantu, The amazing World of Gumball, Brady Noon, Mighty Ducks, Good Boys, Shaman Brown Jr. Micah Abbey, Jackie Chan, Giancarlo Esposito, John Cena, Paul Rudd, Natasha Demitrio, What We do in the Shadows, Rose Byrne, Post Malone, Hannibal, Ice Cube, Maya Rudolph, Ibris Elda, The Office, The Dark Tower, Puss in Boots: The Last Wish, Quentin Tarantino, Vanilla Ice, Michael Bay, Beau is Afraid, Super Mario BrothersVisit the Indie GoGo for Joseph's new project: Raven's Landing https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/raven-s-landing#/ http://www.MCFCpodcast.comhttp://www.facebook.com/MCFCpodcasthttp://www.twitter.com/podcastMCFChttp://www.tiktok.com/middleclassfilmclasshttp://www.instagram.com/middleclassfilmclassEmail: MCFCpodcast@gmail.comLeave us a voicemail at (209) 730-6010Merch store - https://middle-class-film-class.creator-spring.com/ Join the Patreon:www.patreon.con/middleclassfilmclassPatrons:Javier  Listener Stephen: The Maple Syrup Don  Joel Shinneman  Linda McCalister  Heather Sachs  https://twitter.com/DorkOfAllDorks  Ryan  CorbinJason  https://www.forcefivepodcast.com/  Brendan BealChris GeigerJoseph Navarro    Pete Abeytaand Tyler Noe    Streaming Picks:Puss in Boots: The Last Wish - PeacockLittle Women - StarzThe Madalorian - Disney+Cobra - HBO MaxWe Have a Ghost - NetflixThe Man From U.N.K.L.E. - HBO MaxMarcel The Shell with Shoes on - Showtime

On this episode of Made in Hollywood Mark and William try to predict this years Oscar winners. You may also hear irrelevant things in this episode about Empire of Light, Bardo: False Chronicle of a Handful of Truths, Tár, Elvis, Top Gun, Catherine Martin, Bad Luhrmann, All Quiet on the Western Front, Everything Everywhere All at Once, The Fabelmans, Babylon, Avatar 2,  Banshees of Inisherin, John Williams, Triangle of Sadness, The Wallis, Film Independent, Fred Armisen, Marcel the Shell with Shoes On, Puss n' Boots, Pinnocchio, Guillermo Del Toro, Glass Onion, Living, Women Talking, Stephanie Hsu, Kerry Condon, Hung Chao, Angela Bassett, Jamie Lee Curtis, The Whale, Ke Huy Quan, Austin Butler, Brendan Fraser, Colin Farrell, After Sun, Bill Nighy, Cate Blanchett, Michelle Williams, Michelle Yeoh, Andrea Riseborough, To Leslie, Todd Field, Three Billboards, Steven Spielberg, Moonlight, and Moulin Rouge. 

Veronica Phillips (Filmdaze, The Daily Beast) joins us for Sarah Polley's dissection into monogamy with Take This Waltz! Together we dive into the careers of Seth Rogan and Michelle Williams, this idiosyncratic vision of Toronto on film, marrying young and Barry Jenkins' The Lion King 2 --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/exitingthroughthe2010s/message

We made it to our final Best Picture nominee, The Fabelmans which is directed by Steven Spielberg! This film stars Michelle Williams, Paul Dano, Seth Rogen, and Gabriel LaBelle. We talk about our likes and dislikes, and if we think it has a chance to win any Oscars at the Academy Awards. Before that, we talk about the Vanderpump Rules drama/cheating scandal, Hailey Bieber and Selena Gomez, Tyga dating Avril Lavigne and more! We also share with you some Oscars fun facts ahead of the big show on Sunday! Follow the show on social media: Facebook: Twitter: Instagram: Follow us on Letterboxd Jared Katie Be sure to rate and review the show wherever you listen! --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thesilverscreenpodcast/message

Welcome to a special edition of Backstage, the TV and film podcast from Sky News, recorded in LA.As the stars begin to arrive for the 2023 Oscars, Sky's entertainment reporter Claire Gregory, TV and film reviewer Stevie Wong, and Sky's arts and entertainment correspondent Katie Spencer bring you their predictions for where the chips may fall on film's biggest and glitziest night.Which film will pull in the most awards? What do Rihanna and the cast of RRR have up their sleeves for the performances? And what on earth will Will Smith be up to on the night?Plus, we have interviews with nominees Angela Bassett, Ke Huy Quan, Stephen Spielberg, The Daniels, Colin Farrell, and Michelle Williams, who tell us the difference an Oscar nod can make.Backstage will return for a special post-Oscars episode on Monday.To find out how to watch all of this year's nominated films, click here for our handy guide.And, don't forget, you can watch the Oscars Red Carpet live on Sky News from 11pm on Sunday 12th March. Then, if you're in UK, you can watch the live ceremony for free, exclusively on Sky News and Sky Showcase from midnight.Producer - David ChipakupakuJunior Producer - Jada-Kai Meosa JohnEditor - Amy Hitchcock

Let's talk about (spoiler alert) Jazza's favourite movie of the year (and maybe of all time) - as we look at parallel universes, googly eyes, and lesbian supervillains! Support us on Patreon at patreon.com/thequeermoviepodcast for as little as $5 per month to gain access to perks like queer movie recommendations, Discord access, and watch-a-longs. Thank you for supporting us! We're a serious podcast and have a serious sponsor, Squarespace support us! Help make the podcast profitable by going to squarespace.com/queermovie, and by using the code 'queermovie' at checkout. This is a queer movie watch party for your ears, hosted by Rowan Ellis and Jazza John. Join us as we take a look at the queer film canon, one genre at a time. From rom-coms to slashers, contemporary arthouse cinema to comedy classics - Queer Movie Podcast is a celebration of all things queer on the silver screen! New episodes every other Thursday. Find Us on the Internet Super Highway - Twitter: https://twitter.com/QueerMoviePod  - Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thequeermoviepodcast - Website: http://www.queermoviepodcast.co.uk/  - Multitude: @MultitudeShows Production - Hosts: Rowan Ellis and Jazza John - Editor: Julia Schifini - Executive Producer: Multitude - Artwork: Jessica E. Boyd   TRANSCRIPT: JAZZA:  Hello, everyone. Just before we jump into the main episode today, I want to thank our two top-level patrons, Jennifer, and Toby, who are supporting us on the rainbow parent tier, which is absolutely bloody amazing. Do you want to join them, head over to Patreon and you don't have to donate as much as they do, but we'd really appreciate anything that you can give to us. More about Patreon coming a little bit later. On with the episode, my darlings.  [theme] JAZZA:  Welcome to the Queer Movie Podcast celebrating the best— ROWAN:  —And worst— JAZZA:  In LGBTQ plus cinema, one glorious genre at a time.  ROWAN:  I'm Rowan Ellis. JAZZA:  And I'm Jazza John. ROWAN:  Each episode we discuss a movie from a different genre of cinema.  JAZZA:  This episode's genre is— JAZZA AND ROWAN: Queer Oscars 2023. ROWAN:  So in sync, so coordinated. JAZZA:  Yeah, a 100%. The—the yearly tradition of us doing the Queer Oscar stuff. So today, we're going to be talking about the best bloody movie ever made by the Daniels, Kwan, and Scheinert. And starring the best actor in the history of humanity, Michelle Yeoh, and nominated for 11 Oscars, I think. Everything Everywhere All at Once. ROWAN:  Not to spoil what Jazza thought of the movie or anything. But before we start— JAZZA:  It's my favorite movie, it's my favorite movie. I'm so fucking excite— after like the last three movies that we've done, I'm so excited to speak about something that I actually genuinely adore. I love this film. Spoiler.  ROWAN:  But before we stuff Employee of the Month awards up our asses, so we can fight Michelle herself. Jazza, what's the gayest thing you've done since the last episode? JAZZA:  So um, hi everybody, I live in New York. And I— ROWAN:  Oh, here we go again. JAZZA:  Ran out of my NHS-prescribed prep at the end of last year. And so I have been having to live like it's the 90s, oh, my God. And I just—for the first time, like a true American, which I'm not. But like a true American resident picked up my first prescription of prep from CVS. ROWAN:  You— did you have to pay American money for it? Or do—do you have an insurance? JAZZA:  No, I get it on my health insurance. ROWAN:  Oooh, look at you! JAZZA:  I got a full fe—although, can I just show you the documentation that I have to read—  ROWAN:  Yeah. JAZZA:  —when I take this. ROWAN:  I'll do an audio [2:33] Okay, here's the audio description. What's basically happened is Jazza has just come onto the webcam that I can see. And they've essentially like, you know, one of those comedy scrolls that just keeps rolling all the way down the throne room in some kind of fantasy comedy movie, that's exactly what's just—just been displayed in front of me. That is like, a world map to scale, that is so big. Have you read any of it?  JAZZA:  Yeah, well, I had to try and because, like, I know that, like what you're meant to do to take for it. But I wanted to like double check, because this is American prep, and maybe it's different. So I found the instructions of dosage and how to take it, and it says, take dosage exactly as your prescriber told you. ROWAN:  Okay. JAZZA:  Fucking useless.  ROWAN:  What—oh, did your prescriber not tell you? JAZZA:  No. But I have texted him and said, is it like normal prep and we'll find out when he texts me back, so that'd be good.  ROWAN:  Wow. JAZZA:  What's the gayest thing you did? ROWAN:  Before we go into the gayest thing, I really feel like this podcast is educational. It's very vitally important, very serious, not at all. But in cases, anyone listening who doesn't know this, if you take two or more prescriptions monthly, and you're on the NHS, like through the NHS, get yourself a prepaid certificate, because it will be cheaper. And then every single prescription you get past, I think it's literally like you have to have one and a half prescriptions a month, it will be cheaper, and every single one, it won't cost you any more money. And then when you go in and they say do you pay for prescriptions, you get to be like, I already did baby, I pre-paid. Because I didn't know that until very recently. And I've been taking two prescriptions a month for many years and didn't realize I was paying too much for them. That wasn't the gayest thing I've done though. Um. JAZZA:  [laughs] ROWAN:  What? JAZZA:  Isn't it, making—making healthcare more easy to—easier to navigate and more accessible? [4:24] ROWAN:  [4:25] that's pretty gay. No, that I actually did my first in-person talk, and since the pandemic— JAZZA:  Oh yeah, this is cool. ROWAN:  I used to do a lot of them. And I've done some in person like hosting stuff and things like that, but mostly it's been online. But I went to essentially like a organization where a bunch of like solicitors and lawyers, and legal organizations kind of have joined forces so that, that LGBT group is—has some has—has actual members and it isn't just like one person at one law firm. And I did a little talk and I am very, very proud of it, it went very, very well. And I actually think that talk is very good. It's basically about the—the parallels of the moral panic from the 80s around gay people to the trans panic now. Yeah, a lot of people came to ask me about it afterward, I think including some people who hadn't necessarily been to abreast of the situation with like the trans panic. And who had some very thoughtful questions, and I think definitely was making them think, which is, you know, what we love to do. So, If anyone wants me to come and talk, basically be very depressing for an hour, I now apparently do that professionally. But that was my gay [5:34] JAZZA:  Don't sell yourself [5:35]. If anybody wants like a really informed and provocative discussion or talk to bring to your workplace, then please get in touch with Rowan Ellis because she's one of the [5:45] ROWAN:  [5:48] JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  Oh, don't think I won't do it, I'll do it. I'm sorry, that was a threat for some reason to you. Yeah. No, that's—that was, that's pretty gay, so that's me. JAZZA:  Well done. Proud of you.  ROWAN:  Thank you. [theme] JAZZA:  So anybody who is new here, here's how we're going to do it. So first, we're going to give a little bit of context around how gay the Oscars are this year in 2023. And I am just going to carve out a little bit of time to do some gushing around how I think Michelle Yeoh is the best person on the face of the planet, how she's my bitch, and that I die for her. I watched Star Trek Discovery for Michelle Yeoh. ROWAN:  That's dedication. We will be spoiling this movie, so we would encourage you to watch it before listening to the rest of the episode because it really is very excellent. And some of these movies that we review, were like, no, don't bother, just listen to us describe what happens during the plot. But for this one, do go away and watch it and then come back.  JAZZA:  Yeah. To be clear, I think this is the best film ever made. So without further ado, let's put everything on a bagel, despair, report cards, salt, and this review of the movie, Everything Everywhere All at Once. [theme] ROWAN:  So this year we had a few options actually when we were looking at what maybe we wanted to do for— JAZZA:  No we didn't, we were always going to do this— ROWAN:  Okay, well— JAZZA:  [7:12] ROWAN:   —hypotechnically.  JAZZA:  Yeah, yeah.  ROWAN:  There would [7:13] JAZZA:  If were gonna pretend. ROWAN:  So obviously Everything Everywhere All at Once, Tar, which was the film with Cate Blanchett that we didn't enjoy, that we have already reviewed. So if you did enjoy that or not, check out the podcast on that, already out. There's also The Whale, which has earned three nominations, I think, including for Brendan Frazier's performance of a gay man, spiraling out over grief after the death of his partner. And then technically Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery, [7:44] JAZZA:  Oh sure. Yeah. ROWAN:  For Best Adapted Screenplay because allegedly Ben was gay. And we also have already done that. So realis—oh, I think like, again, technically like Lady Gaga got a nomination for the theme song to Top Gun Maverick, and you know. JAZZA:  Love the Top Gun Maverick, already one of the gayest fucking movies on the planet without actually being gay. Actually did get an Oscar nomination, we could have covered it. I love that because of Lady fucking Gaga of all people. ROWAN:  Yeah. Their only— JAZZA:  It would have been quite poetic actually. Should we go back and just do Top Gun? ROWAN:  I mean, yeah, maybe it's like hey, here's a little sneak little—little cheeky episode where it's just like gay, the gay subtext genre. That is technically a genre, I guess?  JAZZA:  Hey, watch this space.  ROWAN:  And then there's also some ones that are maybe lesser known. So one of the best international feature, Close, which is from Belgium,  follows two teenage boys who have this very close friendship and then it get there like a lot of drama happens after some of their schoolmates sort of notice how close they are. And there's like a rift forms between them, which I haven't seen. And it also haven't seen after [8:48] which seems to be ambiguously gay. Where some people are like, it's very obvious that the main character is gay. And some people are like, it's—it's not, no one picked up on it, blah, blah, blah. So it's like, that was also a possibility of [9:00] this movie that everyone is obsessed with. And that I do need to see, but I need to be emotionally ready for it because apparently, it's going to tear my heart out.  JAZZA:  Great.  ROWAN:  Absolutely decimated. And so yeah, I think that the only one that we haven't covered that we might do on the podcast seems to be The Whale. But I literally—I mentioned it not to say that we shouldn't do Everything Everywhere All at Once. I just mentioned it as like, oh, we could also do the work. Like I hadn't even finished typing to send the message. Before Jazza was like absolutely the fuck not, we're doing this movie. We're not doing any other movie ever again. Only this movie.  JAZZA:  I think I might have threatened to quit.  ROWAN:  Yeah. [9:35] Okay. Good luck [9:37] Rowan. So yeah, essentially, we didn't really have a choice and by we, I mean me. But I'm fine with that. I—I um have a confession though.  JAZZA:  Go on. ROWAN:  I started watching this movie a little while ago. And I just didn't finish. I just got like— I mean I've finished it now. To be clear, I'm coming into this podcast— JAZZA:  Oh my gosh! ROWAN:  —not having watched the movie. JAZZA:  Well, you did it with Rose, so. ROWAN:  I basically got to the fanny pack fight scene, but I just like wasn't in the frame of mind to— I don't know like the ADHD was really ADHD. And I was like, I can't concentrate on anything, let alone this long movie. JAZZA:  You didn't even get that far. ROWAN:  I know. JAZZA:  The fanny pack [10:18] ROWAN:  It's really near the beginning, but my brain was just like, I can't concentrate on anything longer than about two minutes long. And I wanted to do it justice. Like I knew that so many people love this film, and I wanted to give it a good go. So I was like, I'm not just going to try and push through it. I want to actually enjoy it. So I am very happy that you forced me to watch it, because it's a very good movie. JAZZA:  Wait, had you not finished it until we were going to do this episode? ROWAN:  Yeah. I literally watched it for the episode.  JAZZA:  Oh, my God. I'm—you're welcome. ROWAN:  Your—again. Again, Jazza the way you say welcome absolutely destroys me, but— JAZZA:  Welcome. ROWAN:  Absolutely not. So basically, but I'll show you because I don't know why I thought I would be able to watch this movie. I was like, maybe I need something different to my brain. So I was like, maybe I'll just paint while I'm doing it, just like a little cute painting. But then I forgot that I had to make notes for this podcast. So I was like, trying to write notes, and then also paint. So I got like, not far through the painting whatsoever. I just got the under-the-base thing done, which is like, this is— JAZZA:  Oh that's cute. ROWAN:  —the scene where she like cracks in three, and it's like any office building. JAZZA:  Oh yeah. ROWAN:  But like none of the actual features are in, so it just looks really like blobs. But I will try and finish it by the time this goes out, so we can put it on our social media because you know, we should probably upload there, you know. JAZZA:  Hey [11:39] ROWAN:  Put things on our socials. JAZZA:  Really great for engagement. ROWAN:  Yeah, everyone loves a good [11:44] So yeah, that is essentially my context, is that the queer movies we've done, like I've done like a—together, we did a whole video about the quick history of the Oscars on my channel before, we've talked about the kind of Oscars in general in other episodes of the podcast, so I wanted to keep it just to like what's going on specifically this year, which seems to be—I would say that from the movies that I've seen, that are nominated, this one it feels like— like Tar, for example, and Knives Out and things, the sexuality is not necessarily a key part of the plot. It could be that the character like isn't queer, and it would have been reasonably similar. Whereas I think that the queer element of this film is like important to the plot. Like the— the fact— JAZZA:  Yeah 100%. ROWAN:  — that she's queer is important to what's going on here. Which I think is very—it's going to be interesting to have a little chat about. Would you like to do your context, which is basically just you talking about your [12:40] JAZZA:  Michelle Yeoh? Yeah, my girl Michelle, I'm—every gay kind of has a that one female artist, that they will die for generally. Mine in the music sphere, Shakira, and in the action sphere, Michelle Yeoh. Michelle Yeoh could probably be credited with me deciding to learn Chinese and move to China. I'm not even joking. I first— I remember watching her—the first time I ever watched her was in the James Bond movie that she was in, which was I Think Tomorrow Never Dies?  And since then, have just like, completely been obsessed with her, obsessed with her career. She went from—well before then, she started off as like a beauty queen in Malaysia, then did an advert with Jackie Chan in the 1980s because, of course, every East Asian woman in the 1980s did an advert with the Jackie Chan, they were advertising watches. Then she from that ended up being an action star and a huge star in Hong Kong in her own— right Hong Kong being the center of the movie industry in Asia. So she was in movies like when [13:51] Yes, madam, and was already this huge, huge star. She was catapulted into international stardom through James Bond and then ended up doing the Ang Lee film, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon was in stuff like Memoirs of a Geisha, went on to do have supporting roles in movies like Crazy Rich Asians. And just— has just kind of like grown into playing a lot of these matriarch roles. She has a dance background and so has traditionally done all of her own stunts and all of her fight scenes, which is the same for a lot of the stuff that is in this movie. And I just think she's really fucking badass. She's learned whole languages in order to play roles. Before the 2000s she couldn't speak any Mandarin, she learned it for Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and now does this whole movie, this whole movie Everything Everywhere All at Once in Mandarin, just full interviews in Mandarin. She learnt Burmese when she played Aung San Suu Kyi in The Lady hasn't aged very well that movie, but that's crazy. And she didn't speak any Cantonese before she broke into Hong Kong cinema. Like this woman is a absolutely fucking phenomenal. And she was educated at least part of her life in London, so we can claim her, she's one of us. And that's all. I love her. ROWAN:  That's very adorable.  JAZZA:  Thank you. ROWAN:  Someone, someone, someone send this to Michelle. JAZZA:  Oh, I—you know that embarrassing interaction I had with Baldwin Yang, I feel like Michelle Yeoh is one of the only other people who I would like physically combust in front of. I would not be able to handle it. ROWAN:  I love that. Yeah, we'll keep you at a distance. I'll be— if I ever see her in the street and you're with me, I'm taking, I'm like gonna rugby tackle you to the floor. I'll be like, no, Jazza shield your eyes. Like— JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  —I feel like it would just have you'd be having some kind of like angelic experience, it would burn the very soul out of you, so don't worry, I've got your back.  JAZZA:  Thank you. And just to close on one final thing before we dive into the plot of this movie. She's the first East Asian woman to be nominated for an Oscar Best Actress. And Stephanie Hsu is the first East Asian woman to be nominated as a Best Supporting Actress. This movie is groundbreaking. And yeah, just again, before we go in and spoil the plot if you haven't watched it, you have to, it'll change your life. And you'll cry a lot. If you're anything like me, you'll probably cry a lot. ROWAN:  I think she feels like a shoo-in for Best Actress.  JAZZA:  Who's she against? ROWAN:  Cate Blanchett. JAZZA:  [16:26] ROWAN:  For Tar. JAZZA:  I rec— so I will be. I can see Cate Blanchett winning, and I will be furious.  ROWAN:  Yeah. I think that— I think that's the most likely thing if Michelle doesn't, because the other ones it's other Michelle, for the fave woman's Michelle Williams, which you know, whatever. It's a film, it's fine, but like I feel like there's been better. Movies about movies and stuff. I think it's only because it's Spielberg talking about himself that anyone cares.  JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  It's Andrea Riseborough for To Leslie, which is like the one everyone jokes about how no one actually knows. That everyone was like what the hell even is that film? When did it even come out? What is it, who cares? Ana De Armas for Blonde, where the hell did that nomination come from? Absolutely unhinged behavior from the Academy, and then Michelle. So I feel like she—she— if there's any justice in the world, will win it. JAZZA:  And also she's—she's like a has a long decorated career, everywhere else apart from the Oscars. And the Oscars generally likes taking these opportunities to award— rewards people who have been such items in the industry, but maybe have never had the— the role has kind of put them in the contention for an award like this.  ROWAN:  Yeah. JAZZA: I think she will win. I think the best picture win is less of a shoo-in. ROWAN:  Screenplay, I think is going to be the contest there is going to be with Banshees. And I think supporting actress—supporting actress Stephanie might be in. I feel like the only one that might—you know actually no because even though it is Angela Bassett, it's for Black Panther, which won't—It won't get it because it's a superhero movie. And the other two for The Whale and Banshees, like the— it's—they weren't big enough roles, I don't think. So it's Stephanie against Jamie Lee Curtis for the same movie, and Stephanie was simply better. So I'm really hoping that we have some— not just like first nominations, but first wins to go with it in the same year. JAZZA:  I'd love it if Mitski beat Lady Gaga as well. [18:30] ROWAN: I love that for you. Right. Should we get into the plot of this movie then? JAZZA:  Yeah, let's do it. [theme] ROWAN:  Okay, so the movie begins with our hero Evelyn doing her taxes, which apparently was the summary of the movie pre-trailers, and even when the trailers were going out because I didn't want to spoil the movie at all. What it was we're going to be before the trailer dropped. So it was just a woman does her taxes was the description on IMDb for a long time, which I think is hysterical. And we essentially get this extremely chaotic scene where we're introduced to a bunch of issues that are going on in her life and complications, including the fact that she's not doing her taxes very well essentially, is one thing that she is, and it kind of hurt her husband on this laundromat which might not be doing too well, business-wise. She has annoying customers, her father is there and— JAZZA:  He's just arrived from China.  ROWAN:  —just arrive from China. And her daughter is gay, has a girlfriend called Becky. The grandfather doesn't know about. And so the daughter has come to basically demand that hey, I just want to tell grand like I don't want to lie to him. I want to tell him what's going on and the fact that Becky is my actual girlfriend, not just like a friend. And she has a very sweet husband that she kind of does—they have this very practice dance where she will like bang the ceiling and he'll know that he needs to come down and but he—there's also slight difficulties in communication. So the husband has like moved a bunch of the clothes for the customers upstairs, so they're not where they should be. And so it's—it's both very like synchronized dance almost situation going on, but with utter chaos because there are things that aren't quite fitting together, which, you know, it's kind of the vibe metaphorically and literally throughout this movie with this— with her life and with the family. JAZZA:  This is the first scene so I don't want to spend too much time on it. But I adore it so much for a couple of reasons. One is the swirling chaos that you talk about, and that I love you [20:37]  describing it as a dance because I've never really thought of it like that. It's also one of the first times I can remember seeing the Chinglish kind of like flow of their language going with like dipping in and out of Mandarin and English, as the two of them are speaking depending on kind of like what they're talking about. When they're talking about external things, so things like their taxes, when Stephanie's girlfriend is coming, and all of those kinds of things, they'll often dip into English. And then when they're talking about their relationship, the fact that Gong Gong is there and all of that kind of stuff, a lot of it is in Mandarin. And they just kind of like that's a part of like bilingual families that I've never really seen before, maybe in kind of like some Spanish media, but definitely not with Chinese, and I love being able to see that. And secondly, I want to ask you, what do you think about the theory that Evelyn has ADHD? ROWAN:  I didn't see that theory. I've not seen that theory before. Until literally I was reading just like the Wikipedia page and stuff to make sure that I hadn't missed any of the plot points while I was like making notes. And it was like yeah, themes, including ADHD. And I was like, huh, interesting. JAZZA:  I think there's a couple of reads of it. One is, this is the modern world that we're in, where we are distracted and having to pay attention to and having to care about things that we don't actually care about. Stuff like taxes and laundry is like the line that goes through the movie. But you can also read it as the this is Evelyn trying to deal with all of the spinning plates, and a mind that is dealing with ADHD. And I love that reading of her, of kind of like, this is how she is trying to kind of like function through the world. And from my experience with ADHD anyway, it feels very—when I'm having like bad days, it feels like this opening scene. And I think that it's portrayed with the editing style and with her acting incredibly, incredibly well. And I'd like this as a reading for the character too. I don't think it's ever like explicitly mentioned, I think it's—I think it is just a theory unless one of the Daniels has mentioned it, ROWAN:  I can definitely see that either way to be honest. I like that. Also, something I think is interesting is I watch everything with subtitles on because otherwise I wouldn't—as someone who doesn't speak anything but English, I wouldn't have noticed the fact that it's both Cantonese and Mandarin, depending on which member the family she's speaking to. So her father speaks Cantonese, and then she speaks Mandarin to Waymond. And I think that's also really interesting these like specific differences, cultural differences, even within this family that I think from the outside people would see as like one distinct group, as like this is a specifically a Chinese-American story. And I like the fact that you've got these elements which are brought in by the people who worked on the film to ensure that it doesn't become something which is sort of the homogenized version of the Asian-American story that might be told by people outside of that group.  JAZZA:  Yeah. It feels so real. It felt so real and really kind of like, it like [23:42] I'm not Asian- American, but I have been around these spaces at all, and it felt incredibly real. Like even though—when Stephanie's character [23:52] ROWAN:  [23:53] Steph's character. JAZZA:  Yeah. When Joy—when Joy as a character is introduced and we see Gong Gong for the first time, hug her granddad for the first time. And she's trying to kind of like get out. She—she understands Chinese, but she's trying to get out like the introduction to Becky and the distain with which her granddad just goes, your Chinese is really getting worse and worse every time I see you. And I've heard—I've heard older members of kind of like, I'm older generations of families, like say that about the other younger generations and like the disdain, like all of those interactions just feel really, really real. ROWAN:  Also, the fact that Joy is— Joy is trying to—it is Evelyn's daughter it's trying to tell her grandfather that Becky has a girlfriend, and she suddenly realizes that she doesn't know the exact version of friend— JAZZA:  Doesn't know how to say it, yeah. ROWAN:  —girlfriend like which again just feels very real. That idea of like if you're someone who's got language for certain things in your life, and like you speak about certain things to your family. I think that's quite telling that that's not necessarily a word that she has at the tip of her tongue to be able to say in Cantonese. That, to me was like very interesting. And then we also have essentially, the end of this interaction is that Evelyn interrupts in Cantonese to describe Becky as a good friend rather than a girlfriend. So deliberately interrupting her daughter, to cover up her daughter's queerness for his grandfather. That she says, you know, he's old, we don't want him to, you know, this would— this would be too difficult for him to deal with. JAZZA:  They keep on talking about how it's going to kill him, [25:24] ROWAN:  [25:25] JAZZA:  [25:25] he's already flown from China for the Chinese New Year [25:27] ROWAN:  It's really difficult. And then essentially Joy leaves really upset. JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  And goes to get in the car to leave. And Evelyn has clearly got this parental love within her that she just cannot express in a way that her daughter understands.  JAZZA:  And so just says that she's fat.  ROWAN:  Yeah, she's like, you need to eat healthier, you're getting fat, which you can understand. And you can tell that it's—it's—she's not trying to say it to be awful. But obviously for Joy without the context of like, we've kind of been in Evelyn's point of view, and we get from the expression on— on her face that she can't just say, I love you so much, I'm sorry. So she has to just say—she's trying to say I care about you by being like, I've noticed something about you. I want you to take care of yourself like this is the way I show I care. But for Joy, she very much just hears, you're fat, you're doing things wrong, this is bad, you're bad. And so we see immediately this like real kind of disconnects between the two of them. This gap in generations, and language and culture, etc, etc. And we just essentially have this whole very chaotic first scene that leads into her meeting with internal revenue, where things are not going to get any easier for her, put it that way. JAZZA:  Yeah, where Jamie Lee Curtis is her IRS agent. So when they go up into the elevator, we see that Waymond has divorce papers with him. And it's kind of like looking at this other older couple who are very affectionate. And you can see him lamenting the fact that he doesn't have that with Evelyn. Going up in the elevator, the elevator is very slow. And then Waymond shuts down opens up again and all of a sudden is like hiding from the cameras and whatever. And he's been Raccacoonie, and he's being puppeted by Waymond from another universe, the Alpha Verse. ROWAN:  Alpha Waymond. JAZZA:  Alpha Waymond. ROWAN:  And it does the classic, I've taken over your body from another universe thing of being like, you're in grave danger. I don't have much time, here are some instructions. I can't say any more. Very, very classic call to adventure vibes, where it's like, I love a mysterious call to adventure like that. It all depends on you kind of energy to it, which is something that's really fun about this movie for me is it's a lot of like follows that process of the call to adventure. The refusal of the call, like all of this stuff that's very Monomyth is very Joseph Campbell, it's very much how Hollywood works. But then there is just such absurdism going on alongside it, and such bizarre stuff that—kind of by its nature, because we find out later that within this multiverse that's happening, that alpha Waymond is from part of the ways in which you're able to jump through the multiverse is by doing something that's statistically bizarre and unlikely. And so the absurdism sort of is written into these small moments of the script, as well as the overall story. But I just really like how it plays with the classic call to adventure, you know, this Alpha Waymond has said, not, this is your destiny, and she refuses it at first. And it's like, no, it's not me, I'm not the person to do this, and then gradually gets pulled into it. But it has these twists to it, which I really, really loved. JAZZA:  And I—I just want to ask, what—what was your favorite like anomaly that somebody had to do? Apart from having to sit on an employee of the month award and then fighting with a [28:50] ROWAN:  I'll tell you my least fucking favorite, Jazza. JAZZA:  Yeah, go on. ROWAN:  Giving yourself four paper cuts. [28:56] JAZZA:  Yeah. The paper-cut one is horrible. ROWAN:  I could not watch that. I could not watch her, it's literally the worst thing I can possibly think of, so I don't think I even now could name you a single one that— that—oh, do you know what else I hated, Waymond, eating chapstick. JAZZA: Yeah, it was sooo— ROWAN:  I hated it so much. JAZZA:  It looked so waxy, and— ROWAN:  But yes. Anyway, so basically all that to say, because I realized I've jumped ahead to like, by the way, there's a multiverse. Get with it people, you should have seen this movie so you should already know about—yes, we meet Jamie Lee Curtis as audit lady, Deirdre is the name? JAZZA:  Deirdre, yes, Deirdre.  ROWAN:  Who is I've just written in my notes, very mean and has butt plugs in the background question mark, question mark. Because I spotted them I was like— JAZZA:  Chekov's— ROWAN:  Are those relevant, like Chekov's butt plug? JAZZA:  Chekov's butt plug. ROWAN:  But essentially Evelyn, who has heard from Alpha Waymond these instructions that she needs to do during this meeting, gets completely overwhelmed. And just I think at the point of like, I have nothing to lose, looks at the end structions and carries them out, which essentially is to swap her shoes over to the other feet to really, really think about the janitor's closet that he wants her to go into. And basically, she finds herself there somehow. What—what in the science fiction? And the screen at this point cracks, and I think it's really interesting to know a little bit of con—a little bit of a behind the scenes info. Apparently, the effects for this movie, which are stunning, were done by like five people. JAZZA:  Yeah, they also had a shoot time of like, of only, I think it was less than a month? [30:36] ROWAN:  That is wild, that is truly wild. Because this one I feel like is where we start to get the sort of the Sci-Fi element the effects, special effects type element with a skink. The screen cracks, and we sort of realized that she is both in the closet now, but also still in front of Jamie Lee Curtis, who I guess from now on, I'm just going to refer to [30:54] as Jamie Lee Curtis. And we get this explanation that there is, you know, from Alpha Waymond, evil spreading throughout the multiverse, it's only you who can help us. While simultaneously getting the stakes of the normal everyday plot, which is that the laundromat could be repossessed, they could lose everything in that timeline. And it's a very stressful scene, because it's essentially, her potentially, like the whole universe is collapsing, but also her life is collapsing. And I think it's a really good example of how stakes that are just really big, like the whole universe is going to be destroyed are not actually necessarily that impactful, it's much more impactful to have something that's like very specific and personal to the character. And then they manage to marry those both together, by making the whole universe is going to be destroyed, personal for her as well, which to me was just like chef's kiss, my favorite version of this kind of storytelling. JAZZA:  So in the Alpha Universe, we find out that Alpha Evelyn was the person who developed this verse jumping technology, which allows you to not necessarily— to, like inhabit the bodies of like yourself in other—depending on all of the branching decisions that you've possibly made all the way through your life. But also allows you to use all of their skills as well. So if for example, oh, let's say you were Michelle Yeoh in another universe, you'd be able to do kung fu because you learned that when you were a film star. So we also found find out that the big bad in the across the multiverse is someone called Jobu Tupaki, who is going around murdering everybody trying to find Evelyn, to what end, we have no idea. ROWAN:  Dun, dun, dun. At this point, she's sort of slightly convinced, not really convinced this is real. She's very confused, and in a fit of confusion punches, Jamie Lee Curtis in the face, who has just offered to give her a little bit of an extension until the end of the day. And the classic, you'll know when it's time to fight, that happened from Alpha Waymond is completely misinterpreted, because she decides, I guess now's the time to fight and just punches this lady in the face. And it's at this point that we get our first like fight sequence of the movie. And I— JAZZA:  I love all of the action sequences here. It's like one big long homage to Jackie Chan movies. It's fucking brilliant. ROWAN:  It's beautiful. And essentially, it's just Waymond getting possessed by Alpha Waymond and using his fanny pack/bumbag, depending on which country you're in, to fight a load of people. And it's beautiful, it's— it's wonderful. It's actually exciting. I have a real big bone to pick with all the movies that do like CGI fight sequences against like, it's just what—two CGI things fighting each other, and I just get so bored. And these fights are consists— actually had like interesting choreography, was very legible as well, because I find that that's really tricky, which was helped by the fact that they film this movie at a very high frame rate, basically, so that they would have the freedom to use slow motion at any point, not just the ones that were scripted. Because if you've ever seen slow motion in older movies, and it looks really janky, it's basically because they put slow motion on something that was filmed at a normal frame rate, meaning that your eye is like used to seeing frames flick way faster, so it looks weirdly disjointed. And so this was this, I think really paid off for them. What I'm sure was very annoying having to film with that kind of high frame rate, I think has really worked because they utilize that so well. And before he does that, he does eat chapstick which again was extremely upsetting to watch. JAZZA:  Very disgusting. So it is revealed to us that Jobu is in fact, Joy. [34:36] ROWAN:  Plot twist. JAZZA:  Got twist plot, and she possesses the Joy in the universe where there—the IRS having a conversation with Jamie Lee Curtis punching Jamie Lee Curtis in the face. And she wanders off somewhere, maybe to come and find Evelyn in our universe, that seems to be what is happening. Evelyn and Waymond and like it's—it's like the IRS building is in lockdown, and so they're hiding. And Jamie Lee Curtis ends up doing her own verse jump, getting the skills of a high-pitch-screaming wrestler we think? And goes around and fights Waymond one on one. But then Waymond goes, because Evelyn is so nervous, doesn't seem to be able to master any verse jumping at all on her own. He goes, you're clearly not the Evelyn I've been looking for, I've gotta go now. Bye. Can you imagine? No. ROWAN:  No, I can't. JAZZA:  Sorry Michelle Yeoh, you're not good enough. And so then she starts herself just doing a load of random shit in order to be able to try and get the skills of her in another universe. ROWAN:  Yeah, she's like what is statistically unlikely just like give me— don't do random stuff to try and make that happen. JAZZA:  She is told before Waymond runs away that saying I love you yo Jamie Lee Curtis will allow her to jump to a universe where she has the abilities of kung fu. She ends up being able to do that when Jamie Lee Curtis's knee drop is literally centimeters away from her nose. ROWAN:  Millimeters, she's so close to getting a knee to the face. JAZZA:  So close to getting a knee to the face. And Evelyn's verse jumps to basically the life of Michelle Yeoh, the actual actress. So interestingly, did you know that Michelle Yeoh was originally asked to play basically herself? And this verse jump, I reckon was meant to actually be our universes, Michelle Yeoh. ROWAN:  I'll— well because they flashed through a bunch of footage, which is of her on various red carpets that she has done previously because it's all movie she's been in. So I was like, I didn't know whether that was meant to be literally jumping to our universe, or whether it was they just use it because it was footage. But either way, I like— I like both—both of those options to be honest. JAZZA:  So she turned it down because she wanted to be taken seriously. [36:59] want to like play herself. But I do like the reading of—and to be honest, that's how I've been interpreting it as well. She's Michelle Yeoh in the other universe, is totally fine. ROWAN:  Yeah. And we also get a little bit of a bunch of law here. So basically, every jump causes a crack, you can re—reseal the cracks, but only with training. You can't stay in a universe isn't your own that you've jumped to, because you could die, or worse. And essentially, we find out what the worst option is, is what happened to Jobu aka Joy, were in the Alpha Verse, that version of Joy's mind was splintered because Alpha Everlyn essentially pushed her too far. She made verse jump too many times. And now she's experiencing all of the universe, everywhere all at once.  JAZZA:  All at once. ROWAN:  Everything, It's the title. And so she can verse jump, but also sort of manipulate matter itself at will seemingly. And so no one knows what Jobu wants, they just know that she's looking for Evelyn. And we—this essentially is like a little dump, but it doesn't necessarily feel like a bad law dump or like just exposition because you're listening to it going. Okay, okay, this is all information that I do need because right now, I don't know what the hell is going on. Because I am Evelyn, and I'm just like, oh, God, I just want to go back and finish my taxes, I guess, and be Michelle on the red carpet. But that is not her fate, unfortunately. JAZZA:  So there's—out of this law dump come. I think two of the strongest themes of the movie that resonate with people the most, one is intergenerational, the differences between generations, and how relationships between generations are pressured from first-generation immigrants. So the fact that in the Alpha Universe,  Evelyn pushed Joy too hard, made her crack, made her resent. And kind of like reflecting those sometimes difficult relationships, that it's similar across other phenomena like working-class parents, but especially with immigrant parents, that experience being represented there. And then also, the whole idea of fracturing, and each choice that you make in your life, creating a completely new branch of reality and possibility, really reflects people who choose to or are forced to go to another country to uproot themselves and go to another country. Evelyn, when she becomes Michelle Yeoh, and gets the skills of Michelle Yeoh, gets to see the world that she would have had and the life she would have had if she had never left for the United States with Waymond. And there's always whenever you leave a place, you make one of those big decisions. There's always the thought of oh my god, what would my life be like if I never left? Would it be better if I never left? The life I have now it's a struggle. Would it have been better if I had just stayed? And that I love the way that that is pulled through to the whole idea of kind of like the alternate realities and splintering. Like this is I think Sci-Fi and I didn't even really think of this as Sci-Fi until I saw it classified as such on IMDb. But this is Sci-Fi as its—at its absolute best, as a reflection of the real-world phenomena that happen for so many people. ROWAN:  Yeah, I've been reading a bunch of like reviews and this is one that I think touches on that really nicely critic for The Washington Post. [40:22] says it's not only that the multiverse acts as a metaphor for the immigrant Asian-American experience, or a convenient parable for the dislocations and personality splits suffered by hyphenated that is Asian-American citizens. It also becomes a rather heavy vehicle for confronting and negotiating Asian pessimism, which I think is a really interesting idea of like, yeah, the— the literal hyphenation of you the— the ways in which your identity is split between and across, being something that's mirrored quite literally in this like cracking that's happening across these different multiverses. We also see at this point like the powers that Jobu has which includes like confetti cannoning a man's body apart. And various other very exciting, very exciting things which we lo—you know, I'm like, you know what I love to see, but also you are absolutely terrifying. JAZZA:  Also if no, I'm sorry, I'm turning giant dildos into a murder weapon.  ROWAN:  Yes, stunning. JAZZA:  This [41:18] and dildos, brilliant. ROWAN: Very into it. At this point, we also get Michelle jumping to a universe where everyone has hot dogs instead of fingers, I'm losing my mind. Just incredible work all around. And also, we get this moment where we're starting to see the big universal multiverse drama and the personal drama clash together, when Michelle basically is—is separating Jobu as a concept from her daughter Joy, because she says, you're the reason my daughter doesn't call anymore and dropped out of college and thinks that she's gay. So there's a sense of like, everything that's bad is not actually Joy, it's Jobu taking over her body or influencing her in some way, or being connected to her. And that she thinks that being gay is like one of these bad things like not caring and not having ambition. And being gay is like one of these things that she still doesn't support, which I think is— is very telling when we look at before where she—her excuse for not telling the granddad is like, oh, he's old, it's kind of like saying, oh, it's you know, he's old, he might be— it might like kill him all this kind of stuff, but never really admitting that she herself finds this difficult to deal with. And so we are like, this is going to be a journey for her as well in that way. And this is where we get to the bagel. JAZZA:  Before we get to the bagel. ROWAN:  Okay. JAZZA:  This is— this is where I'm like, this is an explicitly queer movie.  ROWAN:  Yeah. JAZZA:  It's not just kind of like a fact, this is about the queer experience. And something that I've only recently like clocked onto, I've watched this movie. I've watched the movie six times. In the—in the hot dog hand universe, I didn't even clock that the Ja— that Jamie Lee Curtis and Michelle Yeoh, in a queer relationship.  ROWAN:  How did you not clock that? JAZZA:  I just like, obviously, I knew that it existed, but I never like when—oh, like Evelyn is also potentially at least in one of these universes, is queer as well. And showing kind of like those—a lot of this movie is about being distracted and caring about things that don't actually in the grand scheme of things matter, and deciding what you actually care about. We see that when Jobu is busy kind of like massacring all of these bodyguards. And goes, wait, you're still hung up on the fact that I'm gay in this universe? As kind of like, I can't believe that this is something that this Evelyn has decided to actually still fixate on. And it's— I think that there is a possible reading here where Evelyn herself is maybe queer in some way, shape, or form. But because of the fact that she was born in particular culture, comes from a particular time, got married to somebody who's actually trying to divorce her, was never able, and never had the freedom to be able to actually experiment with herself and—and find out about herself in that way. And actually, one of the many reasons that many people choose to emigrate and find a new life in another country, is so that they— their children can have a better opportunities and be able to kind of like be whoever they want to be. But then there is sometimes this brush up against who your kid then, therefore, wants to be, you'll have critic— critiques of like, oh, you've become too American. I don't understand all of this queerness and things like that. And I I love that kind of like relationship between Evelyn and Joy—oh, Jobu being represented here. But yeah, they're showing the bagel. ROWAN:  Yeah, then there's a bagel. So basically Jo—okay, listen, stay with me here you guys. Jobu has created a bagel. And everything bagel with everything on it. That's quite literally everything in the world. All concepts, all matter, all things, which is all also kind of created a black hole that could destroy the entire multiverse. Classic. But Jobu is basically like nothing matters, so who cares? Let's all just get sucked into a bagel, that's a vibe for me.  JAZZA:  She's experienced Everything Everywhere All at Once. And therefore is like, well, everything matters, therefore nothing matters—matters. So what the fuck is the point anymore? ROWAN:  Yeah. JAZZA:  What is this world? ROWAN:  Yeah. JAZZA:  Essentially is Jobu's philosophy. ROWAN:  Just total nihilism, just total, just like screw everything. And this is the interesting thing, right? We've heard the idea that she's looking for Evelyn, but we don't know why. And what she basically wants is for Evelyn to come into the bagel with her and for them to be dead and gone, and not have to experience anything, and just be free of the like agonies of life, and living, and experience. And it's kind of like Jobu, where's your therapist, I beg of you. We need— we need to, we need to sit down and talk about the bagel babes. JAZZA:  So we—basically Jobu goes to Evelyn,  I wanted somebody else to experience this with me. Her and her mother is really the only one who is able to because she invented verse jumping. Evelyn doesn't want Joy—she doesn't want joy to feel like this. She doesn't want Joy to have this nihilism as like the basis of her existence. And so Evelyn decides to do the thing that Waymond earlier said was worse than death, and splinter her mind so that she is across as many different universes as possible so that she experiences the same thing as her daughter. And so that she can get there and then bring her back. Essentially, this is the way. So we end up with Evelyn jumping to get the powers of somebody in one of the universes as she falls over and blind herself and then becomes an opera singer. As we all know, in one universe, she is one of those pizza sign spinners and manages to use that in some fighting. ROWAN:  She is a chef who is friends with a man, who is being Ratatouilled by a raccoon. JAZZA:  By a raccoon, Raccacoonie. ROWAN:  Classic. JAZZA:  Which is a better movie, it would have been a better movie,  I think. [theme] JAZZA:  Hello, friends Jazza here from another space and another time. Just popping in to humbly ask you to consider supporting this podcast financially. It makes a huge difference, and it keeps us on the airwaves, frankly. If you like what we're doing and want to support queer media, then you can sign up for our Patreon for as little as $5 a month. For that fee, that low fee less than like a fancy Starbucks, you can become a [47:47] called Baby Gay. 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And it's all done with pretty, pretty graphics, so you can tell what is working and what isn't. And it also makes all events in New York instantly successful. Yeah, it's true. All you have to do in order to get all of those good things, maybe not the successful New York event stuff. All you have to do is go to squarespace.com/queermovie. And when you're set up to make all of your digital dreams come true, you can use the offer code, QUEERMOVIE that's all one word, to save 10% points off of your first purchase of a website or a domain. Remember to go to squarespace.com/queermovie. Now, back to the show. [theme] ROWAN:  I have to ask at this point Jazza, have we reached act two yet? I forget when act two happens. JAZZA:  Okay. So, so that was Act One, by the way, listener that was— ROWAN:  [51:39] JAZZA:  Handily, handily the movie splits it into three acts for us, that was everything. And then we go into act two, which is everywhere, but what I have also called the party and its aftermath. Because [51:54] ROWAN:  Because the New Year's party is happening. JAZZA:  Yeah, because as Evelyn's mind is cracking and she gets exposed to all of this and she becomes susceptible to all of the nihilism, by the way, that is in this just before this section, a fight scene with Michelle Yeoh and two people with butt plugs in them because that's the thing they had to do to get the martial arts skills.  ROWAN:  Classic. JAZZA:  Amazing. One of the greatest pieces of cinema—cinema ever fucking made. I'm just annoyed, the whole thing was pixelated. But we ended up with her suspecting to the nihilism. And then she also just kind of like gives up and it feels like Evelyn, well, she dies, she dies in this one universe and then get sucked into the universe where she's having the Chinese New Year's celebration, where the IRS are arriving, and they're going to possess everything. ROWAN:  I have my notes here was New Year's party is coming, there will be so much aftermath. Because I'm sure at this point, everyone has listened to the podcast already. But if you haven't, there is always an act in gay movies, that's the party in its aftermath. And they literally threw a party and they kept talking about this party. And I was like, we're gonna get so much fucking aftermath. We love to see it. So yeah, basically, we've reached—she's reached a point in this movie where she's basically like, yeah, you're right, everything is random and meaningless. Every single verse that I—that she's in, because she's in every universe all at once, all the time with her daughter. JAZZA:  It's the movie, it's the title of the movie. ROWAN:  It's the title of a movie. She's piñata in one universe, she's a rock in one universe, she's made of animation in one of the universe— JAZZA:  Ah, the rock universe. ROWAN:  —You've never—who would have thought that the rocks could make us feel so many fucking emotions. And there's a really, really sad bit where basically, Joy says to Evelyn, like, I was really hoping that someone else would have this experience, have themselves crack in this way. And then tell me that they had figured it out and everything was okay. And that I was just—I was just thinking about this wrong, and they would experience it and they will be able to tell me the meaning of life, and tell me what was actually happening and what I should be living for. And that hasn't happened because you essentially have turned just as chaotic and nihilistic and like, everything is meaningless as I have. And that was pretty— that's pretty rough. That's a pretty rough message for us to get at this point in the movie. So you know, spoiler alert, though, it gets better. JAZZA:  Yeah. So as Evelyn kind of gives up, and he's about to step into the bagel, Waymond steps up, normal Waymond, not Alpha Waymond, because he's dead now, he died at some point. This is when I begin sobbing because Waymond is just being like, I don't understand why everybody is fighting. Why can't everybody just be kinder to one another? So this is where we have the trifecta, and it is complete. So we have Joy, who is nihilism, we have Evelyn who is existentialism, and then we have Waymond, who is optimism and absurdism. So those three philosophies, kind of interacting as these three main characters and the different ways that they go to the world, nihilism obviously everything is obviously, you read Wikipedia. Nihilism, obviously being where nothing matters, so why should you care? Existentialism is we can find meaning in kind of like the choices that we make in our live, And absurdism is kind of like finding the—it realizing how ridiculous everything is, and so laughing along with it anyway. And that optimism that can potentially come with that. So these few characters represent that, Those like three philosophies for life. And this speech from Waymond is—is one of the most heartwarming wonderful things because I think it's—it's such an optimistic take on humanity. And sometimes we need that optimism and I— I fucking loved it. So Waymond ended up influencing Evelyn. Evelyn realizes that the thing that is going to get her through this, even though that she is seeing that nothing matters, the thing that matters to her is Joy, her daughter, and so she decides that she is now going to help everybody else who's trying to fight her, including Jamie Lee Curtis. She's going to fight everybody and find out what they're thi—the thing that brings them joy. So she faces off against all of these minions. Jamie Lee Curtis, what is Jamie Lee Curtis's joy? Isn't it—is it— Jamie Lee Curtis finds out that she's lovable. There's one character—oh, the Raccacoonie guy, realizes he really loves being controlled by raccoons. ROWAN:  He is played by Mike from Glee as well.  JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  Which I immediately clocked and was like, absolutely perfect. Love it, beautiful. That boy I was like if they don't make him dance at some point during this, it would have been a wasted movie. And he does have a little bit of like more fight choreography style stuff, but I'm like I can see your dance roots in there, Harry, I can see them. JAZZA:  And she makes two people dance and they become married in one universe. One of the Daniels, one of the directors, she takes him into another universe and exposes him to S&M and that's what brings him joy. ROWAN:  I—the fact— I didn't know that—that was one of the Daniels, [57:06]  JAZZA:  That's one of the Daniels. ROWAN:  I love that even more. JAZZA:  It's so fucking brilliant. And then she reaches—so Jobu has summoned the bagel that's going to destroy everything and she's about to step into it. And am I sobbing? Yes, I still am. Jobu goes to like start to fight Evelyn her mother, and then Evelyn also like does like some kung fu, goes to fight, and then opens her arms to try and hug her. And eventually, Evelyn like they started rustling in tussling, and Evelyn, let Jobu go into the despair of the bagel. And that's kind of like—that's kind of like the way that this thing— no it isn't. ROWAN:  Uh-huh tricks you— tricks you guys. So this I think is— okay, so again, what I found really interesting that I've just talked about before the idea of the big multiverse fight sequence finale, versus the very personal finale, and that the very personal is almost always going to be more interesting. And they tied it together so well because they have the really dramatic like, no don't go into the bagel, like trying to save her daughter she's being pulled in, which is like a very physically dramatic finale. But the actual moment is that it has that pathos and have that emotionality to it, is within our Evelyn's universe at this party where essentially Evelyn is like Joy is saying to Evelyn, like, we're just too different. You know, I'm tired, I just want to go, like us being together hurts the both of us, we need to go our separate ways. Let me go. And so her version of letting me go is very literal. Like I—we just need to be apart from each other. Like I get that we're mother and daughter but we just fucking make each other miserable. And it's this clear parallel to like the very dramatic Sci-Fi let me go into this bagel situation. And that that to me is just so perfect. And then in between we get the set— we get like the absurdist version of them as rocks and having this scene where— JAZZA:  With googly eyes like we haven't even mentioned the googly eyes. ROWAN:  Oh Joy's googly eye rock falling off a cliff. And then Evelyn's rock just falling after her. Oh, it's so beautiful. JAZZA:  Like literally laughing and crying at stationary rocks that have subtitles. Like how has this—how does the [59:26] do that? Oh, it's so fucking good. ROWAN:  It's essentially like we also get this again like very human ideas of like change and Evelyn being kind of taking up the call, so like breaking the cycle with her dad the idea of like, my daughter ended up being this like stubborn aimless mess just like her mother, and she's perfect that way. And that she gave someone— she says you gave her someone kind patient and forgiving to make up for all that she likes. Talking about her and Waymond, and her understanding of Waymond now, being so much clearer than it was at the beginning. That this is like helped her marriage, helped her relationship with her daughter. Just oh, she's—and also the idea of like, yeah, it doesn't make sense. You're saying the universe doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense that I would be like, still love you even though you only visit when you need something. And like I— you know, I hate tattoos and your covered in them and like, I could be anywhere else in the entire world. In fact, at this point, she's like a good bit anywhere else in the multiverse, it doesn't make sense, but like, just want to be with you. And like, it doesn't matter if it doesn't make sense, essentially. And I weep and I cry, and so does Jazza. Jazza at this point is just simply 100% tear. JAZZA:  Can I say—so I watched it this morning at an AMC and I cried so much. Have you ever cried so much that you dehydrated and you don't have any more tears?  ROWAN:  Yeah, all the time. JAZZA:  That was me— I've met—that's never happened to me before, yeah. ROWAN:  [1:00:49] like a headache, a headache that just all come fucking zooming. And so that essentially, in every single universe, they reconcile, there's no universe that she wants to be where her daughter isn't. And that has always been her strength throughout this, right? So like, we have this bit at the beginning where she says, like, you're getting fat, you need to look after yourself, whatever. But like in her actions, she shows that she cares about her daughter. She's willing to go through the thing that will like split her consciousness and like destroy her mind and maybe make her go crazy, and potentially she'll be dead. But she's immediately like, as soon as she knows that, that's an option, that it might help her daughter she does it. And so in her actions, she's showing love from the very beginning, and it just feels like it's about being able to show it in a way that her daughter can appreciate and a language in which they both understand, both like, you know, metaphorically and literally, and vice versa, that they can both kind of start to understand each other. And know that meaning is the meaning that they make