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Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell unpack the biggest takeaways from mindset coach Brad Bizjack, diving into what it really takes to create change that lasts. They reveal why perfectionism often hides behind the need for certainty, and how emotional leverage—not time—sparks transformation. Through real talk, personal stories, and practical takeaways, they show how knowing your “why” makes the “how” reveal itself. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How “certainty” disguises itself as perfectionism and quietly fuels procrastination.The real reason small, safe actions keep you from meaningful progress.What crossing the “line of lasting change” actually looks like in real life.Why unreasonable dreams push you to take bolder, smarter action.How doubt, pain, and vision each spark identity-level transformation.Episode References/Links:Winter Tour - https://opc.me/tourCambodia Retreat Waitlist - https://lesleylogan.co/retreatsPilates Journal Expo - https://xxll.co/pilatesjournalContrology Pilates Conference in Poland - https://xxll.co/polandContrology Pilates Conference in Brussels - https://xxll.co/brusselsSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsBrad Bizjack's Success Accelerator - https://beitpod.com/successThe Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo by Taylor Jenkins Reid - https://a.co/d/4LmmMXAThe Empyrean Series by Rebecca Yarros - https://a.co/d/b1VxT1NLove Yourself Like Your Life Depends On It by Kamal Ravikant - https://a.co/d/e1J9w2YTiny Habits by BJ Fogg, PhD - https://a.co/d/4Ov1GNXWomen Waking Up by Wendy Valentine - https://a.co/d/08CWFHoMissionary Position by Celeste Holbrook - https://a.co/d/gXQBKeeThe Cycle of Galand by Edward W Robertson - https://a.co/d/94ZvPV4 If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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It actually happens in an instant when you have the leverage to create that change. For example, people in painful relationships who know they should take different action, but they don't, until something happens and all of a sudden the lever is actually pulled, right?Lesley Logan 0:18  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 1:01  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the compelling convo I had with another Brad. This is Brad Bizjack in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that one, you did not get your life spiced up. You did not get extra dose of energy. You, you you need to, you have to go back. Brad Crowell 1:21  You're officially missing out. Lesley Logan 1:22  So you'll listen to us talk about him, and then go listen to that one. But you can't skip that one.Brad Crowell 1:27  Cannot skip it. It's a great interview, a great episode. Brad Bizjack is, he is, is very educated on emotional maturity.Lesley Logan 1:38  I think that's a good way of discussing it, yeah. Brad Crowell 1:40  And he, he explains in his programs, which Lesley and I have been students of, how we have connected the dots on things in a way that puts undue pressure on ourselves, right? So like success or security or all these amazing things that like we want and need and desire. But then, what is the like if we haven't laid it out properly, we end up feeling scared or afraid, or like a lot of pressure and all this kind of stuff. And that's why this his conversation was very compelling, because he also uses amazing. Lesley Logan 2:20  Acronyms. No, examples. Brad Crowell 2:23  Yeah examples and quips like short statements that are very thought-provoking. Loved it. Fantastic.Lesley Logan 2:31  No notes. Brad Crowell 2:32  Yeah, yeah, yeah.Lesley Logan 2:34  Well, we're gonna get into that in a second. But first Today is October 16th, National Spirit Day. Spirit Day is an annual observance that takes place on the third Thursday in October, and that's on October 16th this year. This day aims to create awareness for the bullying harassment that the LGBTQ community faces. Millions of people worldwide, identified as queer, and many more are yet to publicly declare their status. Such a large community, people shouldn't be alienated or marginalized just because of theire sexual orientation. But the reality, sadly, is that they are. All over the world, LGBTQ youth suffer harassment because of their identity. There is also a need for transgender individuals to have more protected rights. And so, you know, taking some time today to just see what's going on in your community and how you can support. I would even look up the people who are wanting if you're especially if you in a country where you can vote, look who's saying terrible things about these people and don't vote for them, period. Because here is the deal, it's not going to stop with them. It won't stop with them. If they take away all the rights of LGBTQ, where you live, they're not going to be like now we have the power we want, no, they'll come for someone, next. Brad Crowell 3:43  But it didn't start with them. That's the thing. And I think, I think that's the it's a misnomer that like, oh, wow, they're a huge problem. No, they're only a huge problem because they're the current topic of conversation, and they're and the problem is, is being well, it's being created in a way that it's not real. Right? So they're making it a problem. They're they're pretending that it's a problem because they need somebody to to alienate,Lesley Logan 4:07  Yeah, someone ha,s to be the thing that we all fear. And look, the word homosexual was not in the Bible till 1946, interesting, because I thought that was a work of of words that's been around for thouosands of years, right? So it was put in there to make you scared, to make you conform. And then in the 80s, they used the AIDS epidemic to get you scared and afraid of people and not even wanting to hug people. And now they want to make us all worried about the fucking sports. No one gave a rat's ass about women's sports and tell trans and there's like, 10 people in the NCAA sports that are trans. And when you there was a swimmer who was asked, like, are you worried about trans women in sports? She's just like, no, I'm worried about Republicans becoming Nazis. And I loved that quip. I loved it, because the reality is, is that, like, they're trying every. All of this is to scare you that there's someone different than you that is trying to take something away from you. And the reality is, is that, like bullying is rampant amongst everything. There is, I get bullying of I don't look this enough. I look too much of this. There's, everyone has it. But the reality is, is that there's a community that's getting it more right now, and it is dangerous. It's dangerous because we know that bullying costs lives. People, especially youth, will take their own lives and so it's.Brad Crowell 5:31  Dangerous on multiple levels. It's dangerous if there's an immediate danger, right? And that immediate danger is for people who are in the community that is being targeted. And currently what we're talking about is the LGBTQ community, but there's the, there's, that's the immediate danger, and then the long term danger is societally, right, because they aren't gonna, you know, somehow, like, it's not gonna stop with this community. When, when, when something, when, when the the public perception is finally, like, actually, we don't agree with you. Okay, then they're like, oh well, there's another community we need to be worried about, and they're just going to shift over to another community. They've done it. They've done it over and over and over and over. Lesley Logan 6:10  Yeah, they always do. It was the witches before this, which was just another word for women. And so my I bring, not to bring you all down, because we're gonna bring you back up again in just a second. But like, you have agency here. You can call your congress person. You can make sure that the school is do is taking action. You can also educate yourself, in case you have family members who are upset about it. Like there are ways to actually being in curiosity and ask the right questions that help them understand, you know, what is, to find out what are they afraid of? What are they so afraid of? And then we have to just also start loving more, because the other thing is, is that we just start getting mad at homophobic people, and that puts hate in our heart, and it doesn't make us any better than them. And so anyways, go observe Spirit Day. I love it. Brad Crowell 7:03  Yeah. Lesley Logan 7:04  Okay, we've announced the OPC tour, opc.me/tour so you can see all the dates. I would list all the cities off for you, but I don't have them today, while we're recording this. So they're up now, though they've been up for a couple of weeks, and you want to grab your spot. If you have any questions, let us know. But all workshops and workouts are for any lover of Pilates, new to very experienced and there are CECs, Balance Body is our sponsor. We are so, so excited about it. We're getting closer to you needing to be on that waitlist for Cambodia, because in January, you're gonna get the email that says, hey, hey, you want to get a discount on this? You're the only person who gets it if you're on the waitlist. We're in Cambodia right now.Brad Crowell 7:42  Yeah, actually, literally, Lesley and I are currently in Cambodia hosting a second retreat this year. Next year, we will only be having one retreat to Cambodia, and it will be in the fall, in October of next year, right? So if you want to be one of the group of people that can come, because it is limited, you got to be on the waitlist. Go to lesleylogan.co/retreats, that's plural, to get yourself on the wait list, you can find out all more more information on crowsnestretreats.com. But we will be making an announcement here soon, in January, about the early bird special. So prepare, stay prepared for that. Lesley Logan 8:17  Even if you hear it here, you still have to have the link in the email. So get on the waitlist. In a couple days, we're going to be in Singapore teaching a private event, and finally, seeing the Botanical Gardens. We're so, so excited about it. Brad Crowell 8:29  I'm so fired up about that. Lesley Logan 8:30  We've seen them from, like, a high up view, but we haven't actually been in them. And then, of course, we'll be on our winter tour. So that'll be five weeks long, almost like five weeks long, and then we come home for to unpack, and then we go to Huntington Beach to the Pilates Journal Expo, xxll.co/pilatesjournal, we'll get you links. We'll get you linked to the tickets.Brad Crowell 8:52  Yeah, go to xxll.co/pilatesjournal. Lesley Logan 8:55  There's a ton of people who are going to be there. I'm really excited about it. It's going to be like a reunion for me and some of these friends. So I can't wait, so you should come. And then in March, we're doing the Poland Controlology Pilates Conference. So Karen Frischmann and I are back in Wroclaw. Sorry, my Polish peeps, if I said that wrong, people try to teach you (inaudible) which is not it. It is not even close, I was like, but it's easier to say, it's like, well, that's not the name of your town. So we'll be there teaching a conference together, and then from there.Brad Crowell 9:23  So go to xxll.co/poland yeah.Lesley Logan 9:28  And then Karen, Brad and I are gonna like to-to-to through Europe until the following weekend. We'll be in Brussels. xxll.co/brussels.Brad Crowell 9:37  What do you think weigh in here, should we be saying xxll.co or should we be saying double X, double l dot co? What do you like? Think. Double X, double L? Double x, double l dot co. Lesley Logan 9:47  No, that's too hard. Brad Crowell 9:49  Double X double L. Lesley Logan 9:49  Because people might actually type in double.Brad Crowell 9:53  They might. Lesley Logan 9:53  They, our listeners would. Brad Crowell 9:55  But I, IKYKY. Lesley Logan 9:58  Yeah, but people say that. No one says. Brad Crowell 10:01  Double x, double l dot co. I'm making it a thing. Lesley Logan 10:04  No, xxll.co/brussels.Lesley Logan 10:07  I let you make OPC a thing. No, this is xxll.co or it should be xxll.co, maybe not saying the C-O, because the problem is, it just sounds like too many letters, and then I get overwhelmed. So at any rate, it's also in the show notes, you can just click it, Brussels. These are both in March, and then in April, we'll be at P.O.T. in London. Brad Crowell 10:27  Looking forward to that. Lesley Logan 10:28  Alright, we had an incredible question that was really fun, and, like, got us all chatting in the studio in between classes. Brad, so I thought I would bring the attendees from Essex question, because I just thought, let's talk about this.Brad Crowell 10:42  That's so fun. Okay, the question was, what non-Pilates books do you read? Lesley Logan 10:48  A lot. Brad Crowell 10:49  Okay. Lesley Logan 10:49  I don't read very many Pilates books anymore. I mean, there's only a couple good ones. So, okay.Brad Crowell 10:54  So let's talk about it. Do you prefer a specific type of genre of non-Pilates books? Lesley Logan 11:00  I love a good popcorn book. You know, a popcorn for your brain book. That's how my friend Sue and I talk about, like. Brad Crowell 11:04  What does that mean? Just like. Lesley Logan 11:05  You read the book and you get lost and like, it is not going to change the world. It's definitely not going to change your life. You can almost consume the book in like, two or three days. It's, it doesn't make, change your intelligence in any way. But it's like, it's like a little popcorn for your brain. The books are like, that would signify that as, like, The Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo, that author, so good, that book, I read it in two days. I was like, I never have time to read. Right in two days, I have fucking plenty of time to read if I like the book. I don't. So I like that kind of genre, like a rom-com type book is like my go to but you and I are really into the Empyrean series. And I. Brad Crowell 11:45  We sure are. Lesley Logan 11:45  So I post. So I shared with this group. I said, oh, I'm deep in the Imperium series, because it's, like, a great way to, like, get lost in something. And the girls were like, The Fourth Wing, and I'm like, Yeah, I'm in. And they were like, okay, I've heard it's really good. So it's only making its way to the U.K. right now. At any rate. Brad Crowell 12:03  The Empyrean. E-M-P-Y-R-E-A-NLesley Logan 12:05  Yeah, so, Rebecca Sorrows. Brad Crowell 12:07  And yeah, no. Yarros. Rebecca Yarros, yeah.Lesley Logan 12:12  But I get this, so Yasmeen, she posted a picture and tagged me with The Fourth Wing and Tiny Habits. And she said, my recommended reading and I was like, never has anyone ever put those two books in the same like Recommended Reading section, for sure. So I shared it, and someone else was like, oh, are you reading that series? I said, Oh, I definitely am, and I recommend it all the time. And I got a recommendation for another series that's really good. So I haven't read it yet, so I can't tell you about it, but it's really quite fun to see how many people are in the (inaudible) people are into it. It's very, very good, look, it's, it's, it's gonna be it's like, what is it like, called? Romantic fantasy or it's like, what's the genre? Because it's fantasy, but it's not, if you don't read it with your kids, so it's got to have, like, another letter, another word. So while he's looking that up, I.Brad Crowell 13:03  They call it new adult fantasy romance or military fantasy.Lesley Logan 13:07  That's, no, that's, I would call it adult fantasy. That's what I would put it under. And it's great. I really, really like it. It's from a female, like, hero perspective. Brad Crowell 13:17  Oh, they call it romantasy. Lesley Logan 13:19  Romantasy. That's a better, that's good, that's romantasy. I also, other books that I recommend that are non-Pilates, Love Yourself Like Your Life Depends On It, obviously said Tiny Habits, The Big Leap you're never getting out of that one that was a must read every year. And I, I think we have some authors who had some books come out. Wendy Valentine had a book come out, The Midlife something. And Dr. Celeste had her book come out on like, Missionary Position. So I would say, like, if I've had an author on the pod with a book, I've probably read their book. Or if their book's not out yet, I read it afterwards. And I love those people so much, of course, I'm gonna love their book. But I also recommend, if you're always reading business books, you got to get into the romantic, fantasy. Romantasy. Brad Crowell 14:00  Romantasy. Lesley Logan 14:01  You do you got to get lost in something. Life is too serious. So anyways, those are my non-Pilates books that I can recommend to you right now. Brad Crowell 14:09  Okay, I have gotten into a new author recently. His name is Edward W Robertson. Lesley Logan 14:16  Why does he need a W? His last name is so long. Brad Crowell 14:21  He has written 73 books. Lesley Logan 14:23  There's 73 books in the series? Brad Crowell 14:25  There are, no, he's written multiple series about different things, but I have read 14 books of his so far. Oh, there's a whole nother one. No, I've read 17 books of his. So I've read the Cycles. He's got three Cycles, Cycles of Galland, Arawn and Scour, and basically they are perfectly in line with the other books I've talked about over the years on this pod. They are definitely a fantasy. Lesley Logan 14:48  Like Wheel of Time. Brad Crowell 14:50  Right. That's Robert Jordan, and there's another author I'm a big fan of, Michael, Michael J, What's his last name? Sullivan. Michael J. Sullivan. But this is Edward W Robertson. And what I what I really enjoyed about this was he's also created his own, you know, dynamic duo of these, you know, unlikely heroes, their kids in the in this, they start off in their late teens, and they, you know, end up becoming major players on the world stage over the, you know, length of these 10 books in the one series. The one cycle series is kind of the precursor to it. Another one is a double precursor to it. So he started off. Lesley Logan 15:27  I'm going to tell you, you overwhelm people when you said 14 books (inaudible). Brad Crowell 15:31  Sorry, just listen to them. It doesn't matter. There, it's not even about that. It's not about finishing them. There's just something really enjoyable about them. I think, I think it went through them in like, six or eight months, because they're, they're shorter than the the Wheel of Time stuff, you know? Lesley Logan 15:46  Well, there you go. And so there are your books. You guys get lost in a book, I promise you. It's it makes. Brad Crowell 15:51  You're gonna love it. Lesley Logan 15:52  It's so much more fun. You like different person on the other side. Okay. And also, if you don't want to spend money on it, go to your public library and get a library card. You can actually get audio books and iPad books through your local library. Okay?Brad Crowell 16:07  Yes, you can. If you have any questions for us, you should text them to us. Text them at 310-905-5534, or you can send them in through beitpod.com/questions beitpod.com/questions or you can leave a win or a question and who knows they might end up on the pod.Lesley Logan 16:23  We need some wins.I want to share them on the pod. Okay, let's talk about Brad Bizjack.Brad Crowell 16:29  Well, stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to talk about Brad Bizjack, and we're going to be reinvigorated by his enthusiasm for life. The guy is just amazing. So can't wait. Stick around. Brad Crowell 16:42  Welcome back. Let's talk about Brad Bizjack. Brad is a personal development expert and coach who helps people rewire limiting beliefs, toxic thought patterns and emotional blocks that have been holding them back from success and the fulfillment that they deserve. After starting his career buried in $92,000 worth of debt and struggling for years to get his business off the ground, Brad discovered the power of shifting identity and mindset. Today, he has built a multimillion dollar business served over 70,000 people worldwide, and teaches others how to break free from perfectionism, procrastination and fear so they can step fully into their potential. And I gotta say, there's nothing more be it than the things that he's teaching. It's amazing when you dig in. And Lesley and I have been we've gone through two of his programs. Lesley Logan 17:32  Yeah, he's got a program starting next week, so.Brad Crowell 17:34  Yeah, literally next week. And it's free. Lesley Logan 17:37  It's free. Brad Crowell 17:37  Yeah, you should totally do his free program. Lesley Logan 17:39  Five days. Brad Crowell 17:40  We started there.Lesley Logan 17:41  And also it's like, it happens in the morning for us. So obviously, in the you know, if you're not in Pacific, it's not early morning, it's gonna be some other time. But it was really nice to start in the morning. We go for a dog walk, and just be like, lit up on this dog walk. And you're like, yeah, I'm ready. And I, anything you say, like, oh, I can't do I don't know, or I got this, I can't do it. I'm stuck. I won't know how to do it. Well, he really kind of, like, breaks down, like, some of these stories we tell ourselves, and one of the things he says is, like, when you know what you want and why you want it, the how reveals itself. When you know what you want and why you want it, the how reveals itself. And. Brad Crowell 18:18  Yeah, because it, because, I think that's. Lesley Logan 18:20  I think most people don't know why. Brad Crowell 18:22  Yeah, but I think the easiest thing for people to get stuck on is, how am I going to do that? I might as well not even try.Lesley Logan 18:28  Right. Because, but also, I think they, they know one of the two, but not both, like they know why they want to do something, or they know what they want to do, but they don't know both and their why is so superficial? Well, because I want to make money. And it's like, okay, well, why do you want to make money? Like, you gotta, like, why do you want to do it? Like, I told the story in the U.K. about, like, why I love to teach Pilates, you know? Like, what my mission is. Why is my mission this? And then Linda was like, can you repeat that? And it was like, really cute. It was a long story, but the whole thing is, like, I'm so passionate about what that is. It makes it the h does reveal itself, because opportunities come up or like, people say, say something, and you're like, wait a minute, that is an entirely different industry. But I could do it like the how reveals our tours happen because we knew what we wanted to do. We knew why we wanted to do it. And then this person over here is like, I want to go on a book tour. I'm like, how can we go on a book tour? Right? So, like, I really, really love that. And then we talked about, like, he believes we get so caught up in seeking the how, but struggle to take action. And so it's just procrastination in disguise. And then he said this occurs because of overvaluing certainty. And man.Brad Crowell 19:41  This is like, this was like a mic drop, you know, the overvaluing of certainty. You know what that is, that's actually like, we think that having certainty is going to help us move forward, but when we, before, we get to the place where we feel certain, we get stuck.Lesley Logan 20:02  Or we, he said, like, we take little actions because we're very certain we can do those little things, but we don't take the big actions because we don't know what's going to happen with those. We don't know how that's going to play out or what the outcome will be. So we're like, oh, I'm just going to keep checking the box, checked my email, responded to these people, post it on social, but we're not, no one's actually like, okay, I'm gonna do a class. I'm gonna do pilates and (inaudible) like, because, like, no one comes. Like, I need to make sure everyone's gonna be there. Everything is certain. And oh my god, when we study with him, we did this five day series that you can do next week. We did a couple years ago. And when he told me about certainty and perfectionism. I fucking was like, I felt so called out. I was like, oh my god, this is my problem. I was like, recovering perfectionist. But then I like, let certainty in there. And certainty is just perfectionism, guys. So anyways, I have I really love this man so much. And he said we base our worth on external success, leading to a feeling of burnout, or that nothing feels like enough. And I think this happens a lot. In fact, on an OPC call today, one of the girls who's going through a teacher training so that she feels like burnt out on Pilates, and, you know, she's doing this thing, and we were talking about how like, because when you're in a training program, there's a lot of corrections, like the teachers are correcting you a lot because they want you to know all the things. They don't want you going off thinking you're perfect at it. They want you to know how to do it. You know, you thinking you'd have all these cues. And really it's all this external success, like, okay, when I look like the 100 I have made it, versus this internalization of like the Pilates practice, like the focus in a teacher training is so external. What does the exercise look like? Can you do it well that you end up feeling burnt out and like nothing's ever enough, like you're not good enough to do this. And so I just this, just happened an hour before we hit the record on this. And I feel this so so much, because we're, like, waiting for someone to validate who we are and what we're doing, instead of ourselves, like an internal version of, like, what success is. I love this.Brad Crowell 22:11  So, just so that y'all know, we actually have an invitation for you to join Brad's program, the five day program for free, that's called the Success Accelerator, and it starts in just a few days.Lesley Logan 22:21  It's on the 20th, so it's, this is Thursday. It's gonna start on Monday.Brad Crowell 22:26  The link's in the show notes, but you can go to beitpod.com/success, and like I said, it's free. Lesley and I did this program, and it was really, really impactful for us.Lesley Logan 22:36  Well, what did you like that he said? Brad Crowell 22:38  Yeah. So, Brad said, I just, I love that you had to clarify Brad husband versus Brad Bizjack on the call, I was laughing. Lesley Logan 22:49  I know, because I think I told a story, and I was like, my Brad husband. Brad Crowell 22:52  Yeah, yeah. Brad said, hey, change does not take a long time to do. It actually happens in an instant when you have the leverage to create that change, for example, people in painful relationships who know they should take different action, but they don't, until something happens and all of a sudden the lever is actually pulled, right? That leverage comes from changing at a higher, more fundamental level than just behaviors or capabilities, you can you can say when you have to change, when you are forced to change, right? And I think it's interesting, that's actually where lasting change comes above the line of lasting change. I don't know why. Like, I don't basically.Lesley Logan 23:39  Oh, it's because, like, people often, like, change, and they do a little thing and they go back. They like as, like, if there's a line, and, like, you got to cross the line, and people think, oh, it's gonna take forever to make this change. Like, it's gonna take forever to create a habit. And so they think it's gonna take forever to create a habit, and they do it for two days, and they end up on the other side of not having the habit. And then they have a couple days of habit, and it's actually like no, if you know who you what you want, why you want it, and you make the decision to change, you can actually change it, because it's an emotional thing in your brain that does this.Brad Crowell 24:10  Yeah, I, I've personally experienced this kind of requirement for change. This must change or bad things will happen when it came to smoking cigarettes, and everyone talks about how addicting, you know nicotine is, and they're not wrong, because unless you absolutely have to change, you probably won't, because it is addicting and it will pull you back in but I was singing and I was in a band, and I was smoking cigarettes, and I remember being on stage coughing into the mic because I couldn't sing my own songs that I had written. And it became immediately clear that day I have to choose, do I want to keep smoking, or do I want to keep singing? And that was, like, so easy to decide, because I was like, well, I love singing. I love being in a band. So therefore, goodbye smoking, you're gone, and that was it. That was like, the moment of, I must, I made it above the line of lasting change, and, and, and also, too, you know, sure, did I still have these moments of like, you know, like, like, habit of like, when I used to, you know, where I would be smoking on the card, right into the opposite, whatever, you know where it was. It was just a regular, consistent thing, and I was missing that, yes, but because it was like an easy thing to know I I actually want to sing. I want to sing more than I want to smoke in those moments of trial, it was still easy for me to fall back on the decision I had made, because it was an emotional decision. I was terrified of the idea that I wouldn't be able to perform, you know. So, you know, there, there is like this moment of have to do that will bring about that change, you know. So yeah.Lesley Logan 25:52  And I think that goes back to like you knew what you wanted and why you wanted it, and that made it, the how easier.Brad Crowell 25:57  I knew what and I knew why and then so the how involved not smoking, and that is what made it easy to do, yeah, that's a great, great callback there. I love that. So yeah, we love a callback. Yeah, that was impactful for me. And these are the kinds of things that Brad addresses, you know, on the five days. So, you know, definitely go check that out.Lesley Logan 26:18  I just think that like if you are, if you were lit up at all by his episode, why not? It's free. There's no replays like, why wouldn't even if you watch one day of his stuff, next week, you're going to learn something about yourself that's going to change your life. I still think about like the things that we learned in those five days, even if we didn't pay for the program, like, I still like, like, I was forced to, like, level up in a way, like I was, like, it was great. Brad Crowell 26:48  Yeah, yeah, the Success Accelerator. And then we went on to do another program of his called Rewired After, but the Success Accelerator was absolutely worth it, and yeah.Lesley Logan 26:59  Especially if you just, like, are going if you just have a hard time not talking yourself down, you need someone in your ear who talks you up. You just do. Anyways, we got to get into the Be It Action Items. Brad Crowell 27:09  Yeah, okay, stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into these epic Be It Action Items from Brad Bizjack, we'll be right back. Brad Crowell 27:16  All right, finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Brad Bizjack, I'm going to jump in first here. He said he shared three primary ways to shift any belief pattern, and these are the things where I was talking about the have to do. So it was really interesting. He said you can introduce the idea of doubt, you can introduce pain, or you can introduce vision, right? And I think that vision is probably the easiest to talk about, right? That's the one that we. Lesley Logan 27:48  It feels more positive. Brad Crowell 27:49  It does feel more positive, you know. But doubt is something that will challenge a worldview, right? You know, when you have doubt, or when doubt is introduced, it really does start to make you analytical, analyze the thing that you might be doubting. You know, whether that is the way you were raised, or we've always done it this way, or this is the quote-unquote, right way to do it, or the right thing to do. You know, maybe there are other things that you know that that cause doubt. He suggested looking for evidence that challenges those beliefs. For example, if you think money is super hard to make, you can ask yourself the question, but is is that true for everyone? Some people have the the golden touch, as it were, right? We've all heard that, that expression, well, if money isn't hard to make for them, why? How come it's easy for them, but difficult for me, quote-unquote, difficult for me, right? Maybe that's the story I'm telling myself. Right? So how do we change that belief since we have evidence that it's that other people have been able to do it. So that's an interesting idea of introducing the concept of doubt. Two, pain. He said if you can see the consequences of what happens if you don't change and actually live those consequences in your mind, you will start to change. This was my lived experience. Pain, right? I did not want the pain of not being able to perform, not being able to sing, and I could see a life that I did not want if I kept going down the path that I was going out when it came to cigarettes, right? He used the Christmas carol story as an example for this. Scrooge didn't want to make unbearable pain. Didn't want to make change until unbearable pain was linked to staying the same, right? That's the Christmas story. Vision, finally, explain that the your beliefs shift when we create a vision that is vivid enough to excite us into new action, right? So, so like this is where a dream board can come into play, or, you know, vision casting, or you know, reflection, or taking a moment of to yourself, to, you know, to dwell on what the future could look like for you. You know that that can be motivating enough to create lasting change, to put you above that line of change. He said when we can be compelled by a beautiful vision of the future, it gives us a reason to overcome procrastination, or whatever it is that's holding us back, right? So I love that. I thought that was actually, I mean, these are the kinds of things that he just blows by, and why we wanted to talk about him again, because I listened to it, and I was like, whoa. That was, that was a lot right there. That was probably like, you know, he probably studied for like, six to 12 months to be able to concisely say that in two sentences and three sentences, and you were like, there's so much in there, we kind of have to break this down. This when you're when you listen back to the pod, there's so many snippets like that where you're like, whoa, that was profound. Whoa, that was deep. Whoa, that was really worth listening to twice. What about you, though? What was one of your biggest takeaways?Lesley Logan 30:40  So you have to be compelled by a beautiful vision of the future. You really do have to take that's why I like to do our retreats. I like to do some breath work, and like actually think about a year from now. But you need a beautiful vision of the future, because that's so compelling. And he also said, you otherwise will default to focusing on the past and the present. And people do this a lot.Brad Crowell 31:00  Sure.Lesley Logan 31:01  And it's why you're not actually seeing change, because the past and the present don't like that's that's done, and if you keep repeating it, you just get to keep repeating them. But it often becomes more painful because you didn't like, you liked part of it, or we didn't like it at all, and like now here you're feeling a little stuck. He also his bold advice is to have unreasonable dreams, unreasonable, unreasonable, and I do. It's really hard for my brain to do unreasonable dreams. It's extremely hard. But also, like it does force you to think about how you're going to achieve that in a different way, because it's so easy to go back to we talked about that itty bitty stuff, and like thinking it's gonna make a big difference, when really it's just keeping you the same. You kind of have to have an unreasonable dream, because it helps you take bigger action. And then he said taking full responsibility for making that happen. And that, taking full responsibility for making that happen. Lesley Logan 31:54  Wait, say that one more time. Lesley Logan 31:56  Taking full responsibility for making that happen. Whenever I do my schedule workshop or my habits workshop, the amount of people that are responsible for the reason why someone can't go for a walk in the morning. Brad Crowell 32:09  Oh, you mean the amount of excuses slash other people are the problem. Lesley Logan 32:14  Other people are. Brad Crowell 32:14  Not, not the person who's. Lesley Logan 32:16  Yeah, not the person who like has allowed people to take advantage of them, or they've been doing too much for other people, or they simply just didn't have, like, the vision in place to take the it's okay, it's okay to have gone like, oh, my god, I never realized I wanted to do that. And I have been making time for that, like, it's okay. You didn't. You know when you know better, you do better. So now you just got to take full responsibility for making that happen.Brad Crowell 32:39  Yeah, I love that I love the this is, this is step three, or the third, you know, way to create change, you know, with the vision casting, you know. And I think it's scary to dream big in that way, to have an unreasonable dream, it can be really scary because, you know, you I, I, this is part of my story on our business why we you know. When you don't, when you don't dream big, what you're actually doing is you're, you're giving yourself an out to fail and be satisfied with the results of the fail, and that's where I think the problem is. I think it's important to fail. You must fail, right. But we associate failure with mediocrity and pain, right? Instead of learning knowledge and a step further along the path towards success. When we associate failure with pain and mediocrity. It's easier not to have a vision for the future, because then you can't experience that quote-unquote, pain, right? And I know I did this because I would leave myself an out and say things like, it'll be nice if that ever happened for us, you know. But, but the but then it's like, you know, I would love for that to happen for us, but there's an inherent comma. But if it doesn't, I guess it's okay. I guess it was meant to be that this, it wasn't in the cards, whatever, whatever it is the, you know, the phrase that we want to insert there. And the reality is, it's not until you go, but even when, even if it doesn't happen tomorrow, or if it doesn't, you know, the failure will that will happen along this path I'm going to consider, I'm going to persist until I get to that place, you know.Lesley Logan 34:31  Yeah, well, I here's the thing. I think a lot of people weren't given the opportunity to fail. That's not the world that most of us went to school under. You had to pass, and if you didn't pass, you were, like, it was not okay. So like, I think if you are having a hard time being having an unreasonable goal or failing, then you must go to beitpod.com/success because you are going to hear that even Brad hasn't hit a single goal in six months or six years, I think, six years, six years, he hasn't had a single goal, maybe it's eight now at this point, since we met like and it's not because he hasn't tried hard or had great success. It's because he sets unreasonable goals for himself to make himself work harder than last time, and then they like reflect upon what they like, why they maybe didn't hit those goals, but like what they did do. And it's just really, really cool. So beitpod.com/success. Go take it. Go relisten to the episode. Get fired up. Let us know if you sign up for this program. Brad Crowell 35:27  Yeah. We want to know. We want to know. Lesley Logan 35:28  We'll probably even see you there. Brad Crowell 35:29  Yeah, I think we're gonna do it, too. Lesley Logan 35:30  Yeah. I love the classes. So at any rate, you're amazing. Brad's amazing. Share this with a friend who needs to hear it. Share it with three friends. Guess what, when your friends change, it makes it easier for you to change. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 35:44  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 35:45  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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This week, I've been writing the third novella in The Ravenglass Throne serial and reading Drumindor by Michael J. Sullivan. Join me for updates on my writing journey and thoughts on the Riyria series!  I've been making great progress on the third novella in my ongoing serial, The Ravenglass Throne. The story continues to unfold with twists, political intrigue, and the personal struggles of its three royal sisters as they face mounting conspiracies and power plays. In addition to writing, I've been rading Drumindor by Michael J. Sullivan, the latest instalment in his Riyria series. Sullivan's ability to craft rich characters and intricate plots is as gripping as ever, and it's been a fantastic source of inspiration for my own storytelling. Join me as I share updates on my writing process, thoughts on the Ravenglass Universe, and reflections on the brilliant world of Riyria!

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2:30 - I'm Thinking Of Ending Things by Iain Reid / Foe by Iain Reid / Goblin by Josh Malerman / Lock Every Door by Riley Sager4:15 - Soul Riders: Darkness Falling by Helena Dahlgren5:33 - Us Against You & Winners by Fredrik Backman6:35 - Pride And Prejudice by Jane Austen / The Exorcist by William Peter Blatty / Wrath by Daniel Kraus &  Sharon Moalem M.D. Ph.D / The Library At Mount Char by Scott Hawkins / A Court Of Wings And Ruin by Sarah J. Maas / Eclipse by Stephanie Meyer9:36 - A Quiet Life In The Country by T. E. Kinsey10:18 - The Hobbit by J. R. R. Tolkien10:53 - The Lion, The Witch, And The Wardrobe by C. S. Lewis11:41 - A Winter's Promise by Christelle Dabos / The Ickabog by J. K. Rowling / Misery by Stephen King14:39 - Farilane by Michael J. Sullivan (2) / Nolyn by Michael J. Sullivan / Esrahaddon by Michael J. Sullivan (3)18:04 - The Long Way To A Small, Angry Planet by Becky Chambers20:25 - The Twelve Dates Of Christmas by Jenny Bayliss / Jurassic Park by Michael Crichton21:16 - Some of Becky's book goals: To finish these series; The Wheel Of Time Series, The Lady Hardcastle Series, The Amelia Peabody Series, Pick back up in Harry Potter with book 428:50 - Some of Brooke's book goals: having a book number goal and a page number goal, to read more fantasy and sci-fi, read more Stephen King, Agatha Christie, Michael CrichtonSupport the showBe sure to keep yourself Happily Booked! We are Amazon Affiliates, Any link you find available above will redirect you to Amazon. We earn from qualifying purchases with these links. Becky's Homestead Etsy Page: bobwhitehomestead.etsyInstagram/ TikTok - happilybookedpodcastFacebook - Happily Booked PodcastLikewise - BrookeBatesHappilyBookedGoodreads - Brooke Lynn Bates Storygraph - brookebatesratesbooks / magbeck2011 THE Sideways Sheriff - Permanent Sponsor Insta/ TikTok - Sideways_sheriffFacebook - Sideways SheriffYoutube - Sideways Sheriff

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12:24 - The Chemist by Stephenie Meyer12:41 - Twilight Series by Stephenie Meyer + The Host 15:03 - Nicholas Sparks Books + Brave New World by Aldous Huxley  + James Patterson Books15:31 - Death By Darjeeling by Laura Childs42:18 - Mexican Gothic by Silvia-Moreno Garcia 48:12 -  Wrath by Daniel Kraus & Sharon Moalem 50:22 -  Dark Matter by Blake Crouch 50:41 - Tanglewood Tales by Nathaniel Hawthorne51:17 - Books Unbound Podcast 52:42 - The Knife Of Never Letting Go by Patrick Ness1:00:36 - The Shadow Rising by Robert Jordan +  The Dragon Reborn by Robert Jordan 1:06:22 -  The Hobbit by J. R. R. Tolkien +  Lord of The Rings Series by J. R. R. Tolkien 1:14:10 - Amelia Peabody Series by Elizabeth Peters1:14:56 - The No. 1 Ladies' Detective Agency Series by Alexander McCall Smith1:15:58 - The Lady Hardcastle Series by T. E. Kinsey1:17:45 -  Esrahaddon by Michael J. Sullivan 1:19:20 - The Harry Potter Series by J. K. Rowling Support the showBe sure to keep yourself Happily Booked! We are Amazon Affiliates, Any link you find available above will redirect you to Amazon. We earn from qualifying purchases with these links. Becky's Homestead Etsy Page: bobwhitehomestead.etsyInstagram/ TikTok - happilybookedpodcastFacebook - Happily Booked PodcastLikewise - BrookeBatesHappilyBookedGoodreads - Brooke Lynn Bates Storygraph - brookebatesratesbooks / magbeck2011 THE Sideways Sheriff - Permanent Sponsor Insta/ TikTok - Sideways_sheriffFacebook - Sideways SheriffYoutube - Sideways Sheriff

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Join co-hosts Adrian M. Gibson and M.J. Kuhn as they delve into a mini-masterclass on Building a Dedicated Fanbase with author Michael J. Sullivan and his wife/business manager Robin. During the episode, Michael and Robin lay out the realities of writing and building an audience, including steps to becoming a well-earning author, selling directly to readers, Kickstarter and crowdfunding, growing a career and community, the importance of series for fan investment, comparing traditional and self-publishing, Goodreads, Royal Road, social media, reviews and more. NOTE: This is part two of a two-part chat with Michael. Click here to check out part one. IMPORTANT: There are various platforms discussed during this episode, including Kickstarter, Goodreads, Royal Road and more. While other platforms are not explicitly mentioned (such as Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, Discord, Patreon, Reddit, etc.), much of the advice offered by Michael and Robin can be applied across the board. SUPPORT THE SHOW: - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (for exclusive bonus episodes, author readings, book giveaways and more) - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Merch shop⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (for a selection of tees, tote bags, mugs, notebooks and more) - Subscribe to the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠FanFiAddict YouTube channel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, where this and every other episode of the show is available in full video - Rate and review SFF Addicts on your platform of choice, and share us with your friends EMAIL US WITH YOUR QUESTIONS & COMMENTS: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠sffaddictspod@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ABOUT OUR GUEST: Michael J. Sullivan is the bestselling author of The Riyria Revelations, The Riyria Chronicles, The Legends of the First Empire series, The Rise and Fall series and more. His latest book, ⁠Esrahaddon⁠, is available now. Find Michael on ⁠Twitter⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Amazon⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠his personal website⁠⁠⁠⁠. ABOUT OUR HOSTS: Adrian M. Gibson is a podcaster, writer and illustrator, and is currently working on his debut novel. Find Adrian on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠his personal website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. M.J. Kuhn is the author of ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Among Thieves⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, her debut novel, and its sequel ⁠⁠⁠⁠Thick as Thieves⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Find M.J. on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠her personal website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. FOLLOW SFF ADDICTS: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠FanFiAddict Book Blog⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ MUSIC: Intro: "⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Into The Grid⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠" by MellauSFX Outro: “⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Galactic Synthwave⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠” by Divion --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/sff-addicts/message

In this episode, Brad and Lesley delve into the fascinating story of Nikole Mitchell, famously known as the "pastor turned stripper". She bravely transitioned from a pastor's life to a flourishing career as a coach and advocate for self-expression. Discover how Nikole's journey to self-acceptance inspires others to liberate themselves from societal norms and expectations.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How embracing the "Be It" mindset may result in losing your circles.The advantage of seeking a coach or community that aligns with your values.Not allowing other people's fears to influence you. How asking for positive feedback helps set the tone for success.Protecting your dream by not allowing others' opinions to mold you.Episode References/Links:Agency Mini Seven-Day Coaching ProgrameLevateCambodia Pilates RetreatClaire SparrowBooks Mentioned:Tough Titties by Laura BelgrayWomen, Food, and Hormones by Sara Gottfried MD, Donna Jay Fulks, et al.The Big Leap by Gay HendricksWe Should All Be Millionaires by Rachel Rodgers and HarperCollins LeadershipEsrahaddon by Michael SullivanMenopocalypse by Amanda ThebePurple Cow, New Edition by Seth GodinBig Magic by Elizabeth Gilbert  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Get your 15% discount for Toe Sox – use coupon code: LESLEY15Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyBe in the know with all the workshops at OPCBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship Join us at Agency Mini - Sept. 10-16, 2023Join us at our Cambodia Retreat - Oct. 8-13, 2023FREE Ditching Busy WebinarAmy Ledin - Episode 5: "How to take fast action against limiting beliefs" ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  Sometimes you do have to tell people this is what I need from you. I think sometimes we expect people to know like, oh, I'm doing this big thing, you should just post something nice. But people, they don't know how the algorithm works or how things work. They don't actually know what you need, you have to tell people, here's what I need.Lesley Logan 0:07  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:21  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It Interview Recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the bold conversation I had with Nikole Mitchell in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to the interview, you should, whether you do it right now, or after this, or whatever, but it's amazing. So pause this, go back and look, if you're listening in our OPC app, it's really easy to just like flip between the episodes. If you're in your any other of the tools, they typically will drop the latest one first. So if you miss Tuesdays, and you're like, oh, I always miss Tuesdays, well, then you can actually set your settings to tell it to what to do. So you never miss the interviews. Anyways, Nikole is amazing. And we'll talk about her in a minute. She's one of our new dear friends. I feel like so that's fine. (Brad: Starting to that.) I know, I'm actually really annoyed at the time that we're recording this, you are going to see Nikole and her partner. And I'm going to miss them. And it was like a monthly meet-up we were doing that I'm missing. (Brad: I know.) Or what. Ah. (Brad: Yeah.) Anyways. Brad Crowell 1:23  We'll take pictures. Lesley Logan 1:25  I know you will. Nikole, make sure to capture the moment. But today is National Buy a Book Day, everyone. Also National Beer Day. So you can (Brad: Oh yeah. Grab a beer.) And a book. (Brad: Buy a book.) And I wanted to do a shout-out to some of our guests who have books that I can recall. And if you've been on the show, and you have a book and I forgot I'm so sorry. But Claire Sparrow, her book is actually coming out in a couple of weeks. (Brad: Nice.) So definitely be on the lookout for that. That is a book that every woman should buy their friend. Jake Helfer has an amazing book and also helps you write a book. Brad Crowell 2:05  He got a book that helps you write a book. Lesley Logan 2:06  There's just like, I mean, we've had so many people who've written a book. We've got some guests coming up, we've got books coming out. Actually, last week's guest, Rory Vaden, he's written a couple books and bestsellers. So go buy one of our guests' books. Take a picture and tag them and the Be It Pod so we can reshare it. Then also this week we are actually it's the last few days to sign up for our Agency Mini, our Seven-Day Coaching Program for fitness instructors especially Pilates instructors, who are looking for some clarity on their business, getting their burning questions answered, make sure they're on the right path. So that you can have to sign up before Sunday. And if you're listening this on Monday (Brad: It's coming out of the wire folks.) so you got to sign up because our next one is not until the next year which is not in January. It's going to be maybe later in January but probably in February. So and also it is the last few days to get your application in for eLevate my program, my mentorship program for Pilates instructors so it's a big week around here. And so you should do the thing that is in your like best for you for your business and for your teaching right now.Brad Crowell 3:12  Yeah, so profitablepilates.com/mini or lesleylogan.co/elevate.Lesley Logan 3:20  Yes. Then after a few weeks of like, just enjoying Las Vegas in the fall weather that starts up. We'll leave and go to Cambodia. We'll be there for a couple of weeks which is our retreat (Brad: Holy cow I cannot wait.) which is basically full.Lesley Logan 3:34  You are welcome to you know, do your Eat, Pray Love and sign up last minute if you want but if you're wanting to, to do next year's go to lesleylogan.co/retreat to get on the waitlist because we'll do October again next year only one.Brad Crowell 3:51  While we're still selling tickets right now. It's just going to show all of that. But one of the FAQs is like I really can't come this year. I want to get on the waitlist. So check that up.Lesley Logan 4:00  Yeah, yeah. And then and then after I get back from that I'm here for some days, few days. And then I go to Chicago with Erika Quest.Brad Crowell 4:09  That's gonna be a party. And honestly, I'd love to go to but I'm staying home with the pups. Lesley Logan 4:14  You are. And that reminds me of the dogs that are for those couple days in Nashville. But we'll do that after this. And then in DecemberBrad Crowell 4:23  That's how sausage is made folks. Lesley Logan 4:25  This is it. Oh, shoot, we need the dog. December. We're back on the road for our winter tour. So stay tuned for the details on all of that goodness. Before we talk about Nikole. Brad, we have a question. (Brad: We do.) I pulled this one in honor of the day.Brad Crowell 4:41  Yeah, I love it. So since today is the National Buy a Book Day. Oh, by the way, go to Whole Body Pelvic Health for Claire Sparrow's book. (Lesley: Oh fabulous.) Yeah, go to wholebodypelvichealth.co.uk.Lesley Logan 4:53  And every other guest that we did not call out where to get. We love you. (Brad: Yeah, we love you.) Go to the show notes of your episode. Brad Crowell 5:00  Yeah. Okay, so we had all these questions, favorite books, what favorite books are we reading? And Lesley Logan 5:11  I'm gonna go first. Brad Crowell 5:12  You listed a few of them here. Lesley Logan 5:13  Yeah, I listed a few and you can, you know, come up with your own as well. But I am currently listening to Tough Titties by Laura, Laura Belgray. I actually, she was actually my writing coach, my copywriting coach many moons ago. And it's just a fun story. Women, Food and Hormones by Sarah, Dr. Sarah Gottfried. That is an interesting, dense book. But hey, I'm 40. So we're reading it, The Big Leap I say this, every time someone asked me for a book, I listened to this annually. I literally call and go, Oh, I'm upper limit myself right now. Like his book is like my life Bible, to be completely honest. And then We Should All Be Millionaires. I've read that one off before, but I just think many women as possible should read that about money. It's so, so important. Brad, do you have a book that you're reading currently?Brad Crowell 6:06  I do. I have a few. And so the first one that I wanted to talk about is one of my favorite authors of all times, his name is Michael J. Sullivan. He's prolific. He's got like 20 books. And I'm reading his most recent book that came out last year, called Esrahaddon. And that's a character's name that's why it means nothing to anybody. But it's so well written, everything that he's done is so fascinating because he completely ties everything together in an incredible way. That like over 20 books, there's like, all these pieces that are all connected. It's really, really impressive. I just finished reading Menopocalypse: How I Learned to Thrive During Menopause and How You Can, Too. And I did that because I think it's important for me to know about that topic. So there's another book that, let's see, I've just got so many that are on my list here. I'm going through my literally right now just flipping through my Audible account. There's one called well, I think this is a good one, The Purple Cow: Transform Your Business By Being Remarkable. (Lesley: Oh, so good.) Lesley Logan 7:29  So essential even though he talks about some things that are like really old. Everything is still applicable today. So good.Brad Crowell 7:37  Yeah. So if you're interested in actually any of those things just ping us and I'll happily happily share a link.Lesley Logan 7:43  We need Seth on the show. Who knows Seth? (Brad: Yeah. Who knows Seth? We should totally have Seth on the show.) I want to have Seth on the show. Just by me saying Seth if you know Seth, you know who I'm talking about. I want your help. Anyways, I love when people ask us about what books we're reading and what podcasts because it changes over time based on your like interests and everything and it's so, so important to immerse yourself in topics the things you don't know some things for pleasure some things for inspiration.Brad Crowell 8:09  All about it. Okay, now let's talk about Nikole Mitchell. Nikole Mitchell with her refreshingly honest and bold demeanor, emanates genuine authenticity demonstrating an intuitive connection with her body that encourages women to embrace and love themselves. Lesley Logan 9:08  Yeah. She's phenomenal. She's so great. Brad Crowell 9:12  Yeah, I think her one-liner is a bit shocking. She's a pastor turned stripper. (Lesley: Yes.) I think the shock value is a little bit on purpose. It definitely raises eyebrows. And you know whatLesley Logan 9:25  Hey, well, as we know from guest Alex Street, you have to have a story that can be told in three seconds. You can expand into 30 seconds, maybe into three minutes and keep going but like you have to go where was I, where am I now? Like, everyone has that. Like, I was in retail now I'm a Pilates instructor or I was homeless now I like I have a five-bedroom house. Like... Brad Crowell 9:45  Well, my point in this is that you know, when she was a pastor, we didn't know her when she was a pastor and but I can imagine the type of pastor that she is based on the type of person that we have met today, so and it has completely up ended my understanding of what a stripper is. Who a stripper is, like, in my mind. Like, it's, I don't think I ever I never conceptualize being friends with someone who's like, yeah, that's what I do. And it's been so funny because she, I guess,Lesley Logan 10:24  Well I think what's so cool about her, we're gonna get through in a second but like it's really, because I'm a Pilates instructor and so like, it feels like it's part of but I'm not just a Pilates instructor and when we hang out I am more like it's like I'm just talking about like teasers all the time, I actually do talk about a lot of other things that have nothing to do with it. (Brad: Exactly.) What is so what you forget about that with yourself when you think like your job is kind of just like what it's, it's a normal ish job, right? Because she's a stripper, and we've only known her is that what I love is when we were hanging out it's only talking about stripping. We don't talk about her taking clothes off (Brad: No.) like we can, that is an that is a conversation that can come up and she would not shy away from it. But like, ever, she is the perfect example that we are all more than what we consider our job or our career. And she is a multifaceted person. And if you do follow her on Only Fans, like I get I get tons of like aspirations and informations from all of her posts.Brad Crowell 11:27  Yeah, she she's also a life coach, she started coaching people before she started her Only Fans account. You know, and I didn't actually I kind of went down the rabbit hole just to read a little bit more about her when we were doing these interviews and stuff. And I thought that was really amazing. She is just, she has a, her story, which I thought was really fun about the interview is that it wasn't actually about what she does today. It was about her transition from being like, you know, basically oppressed, and in like the society, like the situation that she was in with her church effectively. And the that whole community that she grew up in, and then getting out and then becoming herself. Lesley Logan 12:16  Yeah, and I think like one of the things why I really wanted to have her on obviously she's super successful at what she does. She is a seven-figure earner she went from being on literal food stamps to be a seven-figure earner in a shortish period of time, through dedication, and we talked a lot about it, and we in the episode you want to go back and also we were gonna have her back on to talk about, like, manifestation and goal setting all that stuff. But what is just been what I wanted was like, I wanted people, there's a lot of people within the show who have a dream, and they're afraid of losing people. And I couldn't think of a better person to have on than someone who went from being a pastor to a stripper. Because that is the ultimate like, you're gonna lose your circle, you're gonna lose a lot of circles. And yeah, and to see where she is on the other side of it, I thought would be such a great example for people to be it until they see it in that way. And, and you don't have to be like I want to be a stripper to do that you could maybe you just want to maybe your family is like you should be a doctor and you're like I don't want to or maybe you want to date someone of another sex that like maybe your family is not probably super excited about I really want to to have an episode on the show (Brad: Or different religion or something) right all right, just like things that can scare people in your family that can keep you from being the true person that you are because you're afraid of losing people I really wanted to have a guest on where you can go she did she totally lost people knock online but she also look where she is at she truly is living the life she wants. And she didn't lose every single person in her family we do know that she does talk to you about her family so like it's a transition. So anyways, we're gonna get to things that she loves. Let's just actually accomplish what she talked about. (Brad: Yeah) So one of the things I love she said to, she said people will people won't take that final leap. So when you're on the journey of living your truth and you're taking the thing sometimes you hit an obstacle and right when it gets hard is usually when a lot of people quit but if you could just make that final leap you're actually going to you're actually going to be on the other side of it and she talked about like it's really terrifying. I really loved how honest she was about like she was scared as fuck like (Brad: Yeah) she was so scared and she talked about taking these like really little baby steps and we talk about this all the time you don't have to see the whole staircase you guys like baby steps and she really surrounded herself with people that could could help her you know take those steps without being like oh my god what am I doing, I'm making a mistake like she could be herself and then the safe places and then removed herself from circles where she was afraid that they would actually not burst the bubble but when you are new at something having anyone tell you something that's like your biggest fear is gonna, like make you like, just stop doing it.Brad Crowell 15:04  Yeah. And I think that I have this right on the timeline of things, but I'm pretty sure she removed herself from her circles prior to getting on Only Fans. (Lesley: She did.) So she was like, already up and out for multiple years because she, you know, was basically stuck. And she wanted to be unstuck and being unstuck meant she had, she moved, she literally left where she was at, she left a small town. She left a church that she was in, she like all the things, right? And then she started a new life. And then she was doing some life coaching. And then it was only after that even that she she decided to go down the Only Fans path.Lesley Logan 15:44  And I go back to her like one line like, like, pastor turned stripper. It can sound so quick. (Brad: Right.) What for whatever reason, our brain just goes up. It's like a light switch.Brad Crowell 15:55  Right. Lesley Logan 15:55  Like it turned it on. Lesley Logan 15:56  Yeah. Like she went from the pulpit right toLesley Logan 15:59  Yeah, and it was not like that at all. Like it was very much a slow and gradual journey, where she just explored. And she gave herself those permissions. (Brad: Yeah.) And she, she didn't. And I think this is really important. She didn't go into where we know her now right away, she actually built up her confidence in other places. So that when she got there, and we talked about this on the podcast about when she like first posted the picture, she's like, okay, tell her friends, makes you post nice things right away, because I need to, like create the space. So I just want to, I really loved her story, because I think you can insert any before and any after. And take her advice of just like, take your time and get get people go find people who will immediately be on your side, and really protect those dreams from the people you already know were gonna judge them. You already know it. So why even? Like, why even try to find a perfect way to let them know? Because it's not, there's no perfect way for those people?Brad Crowell 17:02  Well, that is perfect segue here. (Lesley: Right, take over.) So, you know, one thing I love that she said, is that you have to give your yourself permission not to tell anybody.Lesley Logan 17:13  Yeah, I love when I do a great transition. Brad Crowell 17:16  Yeah. You know, so she shared about how we may inadvertently self-sabotage our ambitions and dreams by sharing them too early with those who we actually imagined will support them. But then their fears, end up shooting them down. Righ? And so more often than not, I would imagine that those people are people that you trust, you love, you know, and they are probably not like out to undermine you or whatever. But they have a definitive concept of what life is supposed to be or your life is supposed to be or your role is supposed to be or whatever. And so they're gonna say, Well, why would you go do that you're not, you know, the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And all this stuff that, you know, effectively is what you're trying to remove yourself from that kind of situation. And so for her, she actually went out and found a coach, that she said, This person, I literally am paying them to be 100% on my side to support me, right. And that's the person that I'm going to share the things with. And I thought that was super interesting because it allowed her to just bounce ideas off of a third party, different perspectives. Someone who isn't involved in the day to day, doesn't know the history, none of that stuff. Yeah. So that she could get like an objective.Lesley Logan 18:47   And, yes, a total objective. That's why therapists are great. It's one of the things I joke about when we like, when we first started doing business coaching for our like, we started going, we started going to get business coaching many years ago. And someone's like, oh, I got a client go. Oh, what is that for? And I said, it's kind of like I'm taking my business to private school. I'm paying for some friends. And yeah, for some people to really help uplift me. And it's not like they don't have because as business coaches, we absolutely have amazing advice for you. But also, you need to have people in your life who are not going to go oh my god, are you scared? Like are you sure that's a good idea? Like my god? My family, but every time I mentioned what country I'm gonna go to oh, are you nervous about that? (Brad: That must be dangerous.) That's really dangerous it's like that is the last thing I need to be thinking about right now. I'm supposed to go there to like help make sure that these people feel uplifted and like you're telling me I'm really scared about that. (Brad: Right) So it's, that's one of the reasons whyBrad Crowell 19:52  But again, that's not like they're not like intentionally trying to stop you. But they are definitely putting (inaudible).Lesley Logan 19:59  It's their own fear. And so this is why, like I love that she, you know, paid someone to be alive, good to be your friend, but also like why many of us need to have either a business coach or a life coach or community that we pay to be part of? Because everyone in there is there to be supportive, and to help everyone succeed? Like that's what they're buying into.Brad Crowell 20:20  Yeah, yeah. And what I thought was interesting is that she said, once she moved, she still took time. Like, she said, I didn't know anybody. But I knew that I needed to get out of my community where it was a small town, everyone knew me. They knew all of everything. And she moved. And she said, she ended up taking like a year of what she called the time that she hunkered down. And she spent that time to get to know herself again, explore things, figure out what she actually want to be doing with her life. And, you know, like, find new people who would support her. And she said in that time, it was super important to be selective around the people that she was around. Because one, she wanted to avoid having her dream squashed by negativity. Two, she said it was really she said, give yourself permission to be very, very picky. Right, which is so interesting, especially when, you know, you're on the, when you're out there trying to find friends, community, support, whatever it is, you know, she was very intentional about who it was that she surrounded herself with. And then she said, your dreams are so fragile at the beginning, that if you give it to the wrong person too soon, they could squash it with their fear, they will smother it. And she said, ultimately, this was also really used in her growth into being a model online. Because she said, this was really scary, too. She just knew that this is something that she always wanted to do. But she was afraid to do it. And so when she started her Only Fans account, she didn't share with anyone for a year. It was just her. (Lesley: Taking pictures of) just her. (Lesley: Yeah.) And you know, there's no search bar on the Only Fans, you have to be sending people the link in order to find anything. Yeah. So she didn't share. She just started the account, just to do it for her. Right. And then when she finally started, like sharing this, she was intentional about who she shared it with. And then she said to them, hey, I need your support, because I'm going to start sharing a little more publicly. And I really want to shape the way that people are commenting. And so when I post this thing, would you please leave a supportive comment, because I want to drown out any of the negativity, before it even starts.Lesley Logan 22:57  She wants to set the tone. (Brad: Set the tone.) And this is really you guys, this is so important. When you've got things like you, sometimes you do have to tell people this is what I need from you. I think sometimes we expect people to know like, oh, I'm doing this big thing, you should just post something nice. But people, they don't know how the algorithm works on how things work. They, they don't actually know what you need, you have to tell people, here's what I need. And you know, when I first when my when my accounts, were first starting, I was gonna do a giveaway. And I literally texted my best friend. I said, hey, I know you have three Instagram accounts. Here's the link, can you please post these comments? I literally gave them the comments, like post these comments right now with all three accounts, because I wanted people to go, oh, this is how we behave here. And I have actually like, if you look at her comment feeds, most every person has a positive comment. There is the rarest of hundreds of comments. There's the rarest of like, dick comments. And she because she did this so gradually, and she made sure that she was ready for this. She has the quippiest responses back that just lay and she inspired me because I had some dick say something to me about I'm an exercise person. And they said something and I was like, I don't go into your training gym to tell people how to squat. You should not be telling people how to do Pilates. You don't know it. You clearly have never done it. But I hope you try it. That's why you're here. And they, their response. I was like, Oh no, I just meant that like blah blah. I'm like, you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to different modality. Yeah, thank you. So like, I she gave me the cuz I was like, oh my god, what a negative comment. And I was like, oh, I could actually just tell people really the honest truth back and it's still kind. Thanks, Nikole. Brad Crowell 24:38  Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. You know, and then she she actually recommended a book Glennon Doyle's book. And she said that she made it really clear that her new bar was to only include people in her circle, who she loved and liked, loved and liked, and that made her feel good and then celebrated her.Lesley Logan 25:00  I love that it has to be both have to love and like, yeah. (Brad: Yeah.) I think that's so cool. And also anyone just now shout out if you know, Seth, maybe know Glennon and hey, hi. Brad Crowell 25:11  We're doing it.Lesley Logan 25:13  I'm asking for what I want over here. Brad Crowell 25:14  I love it. Brad Crowell 25:22  All right, so finally, let's talk about those Be It Action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Nikole Mitchell? She said, whatever's on your heart right now, yeah, that thing that you've been wanting to go do, but you've been afraid to do it, you need to go do it. You need to do it today. You need to start today. (Lesley: Yeah) Right? And even if it is just one small piece of the thing. Start it. And you can do it only for yourself. You don't need to do it for anybody else. You don't need to do it publicly. You can just do it for you. (Lesley: Yeah) Whatever that thing is.Lesley Logan 26:05  That's, I really just like wanna highlight. Just we already said it. And we emphasized it. But she really just did things for a year without publicizing because like she did it for her. And I think like, that speaks volumes to why she's had the success that she had because she got so clear on what it was. It goes back to the book Big Magic back on National Buy a Book. Big Magic by Elizabeth Gilbert. You're welcome. She is the author of Eat, Pray, Love. And she did not even quit her job as Professor even when that book was a national bestseller. Right? She didn't she barely quit it after she sold the movie rights. Like she really wanted to make sure that she protected her love and, and gift of writing, to not put pressure on it to be something to make money and tell like she really knew she could do it. Because when we put things out to the public too soon, before we've really gotten clear on our values and why we're doing it and the purpose for it. It's so easy for other people's opinions to mold that. In fact, my my tattoo artists she is she's still going to do tattoos, but she's also like starting to get into upholstery and like making chairs. Cool. He's like been like buying chairs and like doing a new upholstery on them. And like redesigning them is super cool. Like, we're obviously going to end up with some chairs. We'll get rid of some I'll get rid of some to get some new ones.Brad Crowell 27:37  Or she's gonna be upholstering some of ours. Lesley Logan 27:38  That or, I was like, oh are you reposting people's and she said, I took on a client. This has been this is a month-long project. This is like she's not one month into this, maybe she's two months into this at this point. Idea. And she took on a client and she's like, I'm already mad at myself for doing it because I can't find the fabric that she wants. And I want to do this other thing. And it made me just realize that like maybe I don't want to actually do special orders unless I really liked the project because I prefer (Brad: takes her creativity, her creative mind.) So what happened is she like made it a business before she'd really gotten really (Brad: That's really interesting.) clear on it. And I think that just goes back to like, go do the thing right now. And then also like, let yourself like, like, go, go get started. And I do love that she said you know, you'll talk yourself out of it if you wait longer.Brad Crowell 28:27  Yeah, what about you? Lesley Logan 28:29  Okay. So she, we had to there's a couple things that came out of the Be It Action Items that I really love but she realized the detrimental effects of trying to fit into other person, others' perceptions of her so when we are people pleasing hello, where are my people pleasers at, probably a big portion of this of this group. She realized that like trying to fit in was causing her to be stressed it was actually causing anxiety and depression and, and she was miserable on the inside. And while in therapy, she really discovered the root cause of her people pleasing, which is so important because there's different reasons why you might people please and we got into talking about like, cuz there was a part of her like staying in poverty, right. Like, you know, there's there's a part of that that like it we can feel guilty for like making money and things like that. (Brad: Totally.) And she said, Well, poverty is very expensive. And that was a whole like a whole segment of the episode have to listen to but it's on emotional and mental well being as well. And so she said, there's two reasons. She's disappointing someone. One, she acknowledges that the disappointment others felt was due to her performance of someone she wasn't and so this is a really interesting thing. Because if we are telling people we're someone else, and we're gonna be our true self, then of course we're gonna disappoint them because we lied to them. We (inaudible) and then the other thing was that she wanting to wanting to remain they wanted her to remain the same for their comfort. And when we try to people, please we are trying to remain what people other people want so they will like us, and that's not actually going to make you happy. So the standard, she said the standard should never be toleration in a relationship or friendship, it should always be celebration. And she said, if you if I see you evolving, I'm celebrating you. So be it action item.Brad Crowell 30:34  And I think she also said, even if she doesn't necessarily agree, yeah.Lesley Logan 30:39  Oh, that's, that's what that's next level. Next. What's next? And that is our I hope we all are. I think all of us listening to this want to be that person. And I think if you do find yourself seeing someone evolve, and you're not celebrating, I just think it's a little flashlight of like, oh, here's some work to do. Don't get mad at yourself. Like there's some work to do. But I just, I think like, just I really found that her Be It Actions are like about self-reflection. (Brad: Yeah.) Just taking a little action, and being kind to yourself and celebrating along the way.Brad Crowell 31:11  Yeah, I mean, amazing. What a journey.Lesley Logan 31:14  I know, were having her back because it was I could have just kept going. So. So anyways, I really can't wait for the next episode to come out. We're gonna hold it for the holiday New Year situation because I don't believe in New Year New You. But I do believe in the that sometimes there's certain points of the year when we're really more open to the idea of envision big visions and manifestation. So stay tuned for that. In the meantime, go check out Nikole, and let us know what your favorite takeaway is. Or tag her. Tag us. I know that I really do, I really hope that you like send this to your mom who (Brad: Do it.) Like, I think, one, it's really refreshing and enlightening for people to understand that jobs don't define people. And I think people need to see that like different jobs, the holistic part of it, we donate to the Cupcake Girls, which does sex workers' rights. And my we told my dad about it, and he's like, sex workers rights. I'm like, Yeah, dad, they need rights, too. And I we like told them some stories. And he's like, oh, okay, I'm in like, it's so interesting. We're not exposed to it. It can it can keep people from seeing beauty and possibility and things and making judgments that are based on non fact. So make sure you share this with people. Tag Nikole. Tag the Be It pod. Thank you so much for listening to our episodes, your questions and your comments, your takeaways inspire the guests that we bring on I keep thinking about different guests based on different scenarios I know people are going through who are listening to this so that we can support you wherever you are. I heard you on the menopause. I'm going to be really honest. I had someone lined up and it didn't work out. So we are working on someone else. (Brad: Stay tuned.) Until next time. Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell 32:59  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 32:59  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. 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Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell present a roadmap for success, sharing powerful insights from the conversation with Jake Kelfer. Discover the ACE Method's secrets (Action, Connection, Enjoyment), how to build meaningful relationships, and why achieving greatness depends on enjoying the process.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Discover the hosts' top books, podcasts, and body positivity insightsExplore the Lifestyle Enjoyment Matrix for better activity prioritizationUncover the power of 1% daily improvement through focused effortMaster the A.C.E Method for greatness: Action, Connections, and EnjoymentEmbrace the process and supportive networks for success and fulfillmentEpisode References/Links:Jake Kelfer's Free Book Giveaway: DM Jake on IGAutism Supermom Day - part of Autism Awareness MonthLive-to-the-Public Profitable Pilates WorkshopTrips:MAY: Seoul, POT, flashcards!!JULY: If you live in the UK and want the heads up on our upcoming TOUR there, get on the waitlist at OPC.ME/UKAUGUST: US Summer West Coast Tour, get on the waitlist at OPC.ME/TOURSEPTEMBER: Poland stay tuned for a waitlist or where to sign up LesleyLogan.co/polandOCTOBER: Still time to join us in Cambodia lesleylogan.co/retreatNOVEMBER: I'll be coming to Miami POT with the famed ERIKA QUEST.  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyBe in the know with all the workshops at OPCBe a part of Lesley's Pilates MentorshipWaitlist for the flashcards deckUse this link to get your Toe Sox!ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Brad Crowell: [00:00:00] Here's how to do it. You need to focus your efforts. Um, you need to go all in on one thing. Um, shut down all of the distractions. Um, and then his motto is, get 1% better every day. And there's so many things Brad Crowell: we can talk about here, but, um, this is something that is particularly challenging for me, uh, because I love to be involved in a thousand different things.But what he was talking about was. When he realized that helping others get their books created, written, published, and grow their, you know, get that out there, uh, was the thing that he really enjoyed and got the most out of. Then he actually shut down all of his other revenue streams, which is like, oh wow.That's crazy. Um, that's, that's daring.Lesley Logan: Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained [00:01:00] thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt, my friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear.Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap, where my co-host in life Brad and I are going to dig into the literary convo I had with Jake Kelfer in our last episode.If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now. Go back and listen to that one, and then come back and join us. I'm just gonna say, first time ever that I've said this intro without bucking it up, so we're all gonna give me a round of applause. Anyways. Okay, so guys, today is Autism Supermom Day.Um, [00:02:00] so if you have a friend in your life who is a mom whose child is autistic, please give them a hug. Tell them they're a supermom. Tell 'em tthey're doing amazing things. Um, it's, it's, Brad Crowell: it's It's actually part of the Autism Awareness Month. Yep. Um, and this day was created to celebrate the strength, courage, and determination of mothers of autistic children.Um, if that is you, um, you are amazing. Yeah. Lesley Logan: We've had, uh, we have a, an episode coming up with a guest who is a mom of an autistic child. And, um, again, if we are screwing up how we're saying that, please feel free to correct us. Just don't yell at us, just say, this is how you say it. But, uh, I hope I'm getting it right, um, because I do know that there is so much, um, awareness that nese brought around neuro divergent children and, and that whole thing.And so. Please be there for those who have a kid on the, um, who is never neuro divergent because it's hard, it's hard to be a parent in general. It's even harder when your child has a different way of learning and a different way of sharing those things. And people look at you like they should be normal.Uh, so we should just get rid of the word of [00:03:00] normal anyways. Yeah. Um, that, that's, that's the today's holiday. Uh, this week, earlier this week, we hosted our first live to the public profitable Pilates workshop. You guys, we. Um, it's been, uh, many, many moons since we did anything like that. And really, if anything, this kind Yeah, Brad Crowell: probably like 48 moons.Yeah. Lesley Logan: How many years is that? Four. Yeah. Five. Yeah. So, um, and uh, so this one was on, um, how to raise your rates and you will be able to, um, basically we did it because we're filming an older course and I wanted to make sure that as many people as possible could have access to this teaching, this learning, because it's so important that y'all know how to do this without cringing and freaking out, so at any rate, um, it will be a course that it'll be available for you to get on profit-wise dot com at some point soon. And next month, uh, is Pilates day on May 6th, and you should save this date because I'm actually going to teach on Instagram.Live a [00:04:00] class, which is something I haven't done in what, 48 moons. Um, I'm teaching a, um, a workout on Instagram with, uh, TAVI Noir, Toesox and Vooray. So, uh, save the date. It will be in the morning Pacific time. Um, all those dates will be on my Instagram, so make sure you're following me. And you can also win some badass stuff.So I'm just saying. Um, and then here we go. Uh, this is, the countdown is on you guys. Yeah. We are less than a month away from being in Seoul. Uh, which by the way, I didn't tell you this, but when I was in. Um, when I was getting my hair done, a girl from Korea was like, it's all if they call it"Seoul." So it's like, so yeah, we're just saying it wrong.So I, I sound like a white girl when I say it, but we're wearing soul. Uh, but I think it's so, um, Pilates on tour. Nailed it there. Nailed, nailed it. Great job. I'm gonna learn, I think it's, Anyways, I'm, I'm bucking it up. However, Duolingo has a Korean, uh, lesson, so I feel like maybe I should [00:05:00] dumb download for, for Korean, just so I can get my directions around.I really like it. Um, anyways, we'll have flashcards there. We'll be with the POT there, which is was almost sold out the last time I checked. Um, And then I will also be teaching a couple different workshops, uh, in Seoul, uh, uh, before we head home. Uh, so if you have, um, any questions about either place where you can take workshops with me, please set us up.Okay. July, um, we are coming to the uk. We have very, very few spots available for the Mullet Tour. The business in the front, the Pilates in the back. Oh yeah. Um, so those on the wait list were getting, um, first tips. They're also getting the early bird price, and then we'll open that to the public. Yeah. Um, Brad Crowell: and that's coming to O P C.Dot me slash uk and take it on the wait list. Yeah. Lesley Logan: And if it is after April when you hear this, you can still go there. Yeah. Uh, the early bird will have passed, but you can still go there and get the information. Uh, September we'll be in Poland. Um, you actually can, um, start snagging your spots right now.So if you get on the wait [00:06:00] list there, I'll send you to the place where you can go. lesleylogan.co/poland. Um, we'll make sure you get information and you can take privates with me what, uh, during this conference and they'll be flashcards as well. Yeah, so if you're in Europe and you're tired of the shipping, two awesome options to save a talent shipping and hang out in real life, which is way more fun Brad Crowell: going back one month.Going, going forward one month, going back one month to August. Lesley Logan: Oh, and before we go to Poland, Brad, myself, and our dogs are going to do a West Coast tour. Um, so you want to get on the wait list for this opc.me/tour. Um, you guys, we are super, super excited about this. We're working with people to pick locations, states, um, make this a big, badass circle, uh, just sort truly a summer party of Pilates. Brad Crowell: And it's looking like we're gonna go south to from Vegas, south to San Diego, and then up the coast, um, all the way up to Seattle. Yeah. So if you're anywhere in that route and, you know, within a couple hour drive and you wanna come hang, uh, we'll be [00:07:00] posting all the dates mm-hmm.And specifics, um, as we get closer. But to make sure you get that information, just go to opc.me/tour. Lesley Logan: Yep. And then. Jumping ahead. Um, after Poland, we go to Cambodia, we will come home in between, but ...(Brad: that'll be in October). Yeah. And there's still a few spots left. Um, although it's filling up really fast and just gonna be, this gonna be an amazing, amazing time....(Brad: I'm so fired up). Oh my gosh. We already know who's coming with, who's signed up, and like we've got Australians, we've got some people from the States. We got a, uh, is Ainley Ainleys from the UK or is she from Yeah, so we are like, We're going global. We're gonna all meet in one amazing jungle. So, Brad Crowell: so yeah.More info on that. lesleylogan.co/retreat. L e s l e y. Logan, Lesley Logan: if you're a type eight person trying to remember all these links, you're just gonna the show notes and just, yeah, just on the Brad Crowell: show notes. They'll be on the show notes Lesley Logan: Uh, and finally, uh, November. Um, I'm coming to Miami for POT and um, I'll be with our amazing friend Erica Quest.And we're also doing a [00:08:00] fun little workshop around there, so if you want more information on that, just hit me up and then yeah, just stay tuned. Stay tuned. We'll get you more links. We're clearly good at that. Okay, we're almost to talking to Jake Kelfer. Sorry guys. I got excited about like all the European vacations.Um, but before we get into Jake's interview, uh, recap, do we have a question to respond to Mr. Brad? Brad Crowell: We sure do. Uh, the question is, what are your favorite books right now, or favorite podcast beside your own? ...(Lesley: Do you wanna go first?) Oh yeah. First? Sure. Okay. Yeah. Um, uh, so I love to read, uh, non-fiction, or sorry, fiction books.Um, I don't really read non-fiction Lesley Logan: very often. I'm gonna out him every quarter. He goes to this gentleman's hang and they all talk about the books that they bring and everyone brings like some sort of non-fiction political book that's like life-changing, award-winning. And they had these deep discussions and Brad is like, Brad Crowell: and I was like, I read, I reread [00:09:00] Harry Potter for the 75th time.Um, I'm a big, massive fan of an author named Michael J. Sullivan. He is prolific, he's written like 20 plus books. Um, and I've listened to 'em all multiple times. Um, it is one of my favorite go-tos. It's one I am winding down at the end of the day and I want to listen to some ear candy. Um, and not stress about anything or think about anything else that can get lost in the stories, um, that he writes.There're amazing. So, um, anything he's written is really, really fantastic. Michael J. Sullivan, so he's one of my favorite authors, um, and podcasts. Um, I'm. A big fan of Smartless. Uh, I love, uh, uh, just kind of goofing off with those guys is what it feels like. Um, but I know that leads directly into one of your new pods.Lesley Logan: Okay, so we are listeners, smartless, and I do love Smartless, but I go back and forth because sometimes I'm like too stressed out for them. I'm like, dude, they not understand the world right now. I don't, [00:10:00] so sometimes I'm like, I just want someone to tell me that I'm not crazy. Uh, but we were listening to 'em the other night and they actually interviewed Jameela Jamil, and she's a comedian who has a new podcast called Bad Dates.You guys, I'm so pissed that there was only three episodes. Do they not know how to drop a podcast? You have to have 12. You have three on day one, and then you do every other. And then after two weeks you start going into your regular cadence. And I'm just gonna say that's my feedback for Jameela Jamil's podcast called Bad Dates because it is awesome.It doesn't matter what, Brad Crowell: despite that, they still hit the top lessons. Lesley Logan: Yeah, they're in, yeah. Yeah. They're in in New and noteworthy with not Paint Lane the game. So good for them. Uh, also Smartless, which is the number one podcast in the world, like, told them, everybody listened. But um, so you guys, what I love about it, It is, there's nothing about it that makes you think of work or politics or the world. You are just listening to comedians mostly, and writers and really just good [00:11:00] storytellers who are gonna be fairly famous or you might recognize their faces, talk about bad dates they've been on, and it's not that the person on the date is the bad one. They could be the bad one. Yeah. And I'm... Brad Crowell: Unfortunate incidences. I mean, it's, oh my gosh, Lesley Logan: hilarious. It's hilarious. I cried laughing. I've listened to every episode two times because I couldn't wait for Brad. So I did like little pot adultery and then I made him listen.I made him sit and listen with me watching him because it was so funny. So that's my fair pod. Besides my own right now and book, give the book. So, of course, um, I've been talking about creating super fans. We have the author of that coming out really soon. And then, um, Jake's, uh, I've got his book, Big Idea to Bestseller, so I'm loving that.Um, and then I'm gonna pull a book out from like mini moons ago. 48. Brad Crowell: We're on this moons thing today. We are, Lesley Logan: we're all, um, uh, at the time we're recording this, just the full Moon [00:12:00] into it was epic. So it was epic. Oh my gosh. You guys it's stunning. Anyways, back to one of my best favorite books that everyone should read is called The Body Is Not an Apology: The Power of Radical Self-Love by Sonya Renee Taylor. And. You guys, it's just a beautiful book. You can listen to it on Audible, you can read the book, you can check it at a later library. Uh, a must listen to, uh, in today's day in a world where we should all stop being so perfect about our bodies and love the ones we have, so, okay, those are my books....(Brad: Love the one you with. Love the one you with. Love the one you with.) Do you know the rest of the lyrics? ...(Brad: No). Brad Crowell: Yeah, I think they repeated like 50 times. I'll find out.Okay, now let's talk about Jake Kelfer, inspired by Kobe Bryant and beginning his career with a Los Angeles Lakers, Jake [00:13:00] Kelfer is a lifestyle entrepreneur and bestselling author dedicated to helping others write books to leave a lasting impact. He's the creator. Big idea to bestseller program and the life enjoyment matrix, which we're gonna talk about today cuz it's so cool.Which helps individuals grow a business and live the life that they love. Yeah. Lesley Logan: So this is so fun. We actually did this interview on the road, uh, we did it from our hotel room. Yeah. Brad Crowell: In Monterey. Monterey. Lesley Logan: Yeah. And also we, um, got this guest because of UK Claire. Who, um, obviously we're gonna go see when we're doing our mullet tour, but she had her an amazing episode on the pelvic floor, so she's been working with Jake.Um, she's gonna get her book out, so she's, it's amazing. I actually know that her first draft is like, ready to go, so ...(Brad: I did not know that). Oh yeah. Hello. This is how, this, how all happened. Although it could have happened because. Jake knows all of our other friends. I know as Brad Crowell: soon as you started talking, it was like, oh yeah, Lesley Logan: course we, we, we know all these people.I guess we should have been friends already, but thanks [00:14:00] Claire. Um, so, okay, let's talk about the life enjoyment matrix. Um, so this does take, you have to like sit down and do this, and I think this is where people get a little like, oh, I just wanna know and they wanna skip this over, but when you do this, it's gonna be great.So first, decide the type of life you want to live, and then that's your life enjoyment. Yeah. And then ask, how am I making decisions that lead to greater enjoyment of my life? So like, maybe you go through your day and is, is this morning habit that I have, is this routine? Is this actually creating the life I wanna live?Is this actually helping me? Like, go through it and then ask yourself how you're making these decisions. Are they happening to you? Are you just like, let, are you just like a people pleaser, just doing things like ask yourself that. Then this is cool. So let the, he uses numbers to take up the emotion. Uh, sorry guys.My dog moved and it shocked my ears. I just need to take a moment. Brad Crowell: You, [00:15:00] um, you might wanna go watch that on YouTube. Yeah. ...(Lesley: I like jumped outta my booster). Shoot. She jumped out of her booster. Yeah. Lesley Logan: Okay. So, Let the numbers take the emotion out of it and go for what is going to bring you the most joy. So like this is actually really great because I think sometimes we get a little emotional when it comes to our goals or it comes to certain things and he uses numbers to kind of put things on a scale so it's less personal, it's less like there's something wrong with you.And he talked about like how when he eats dairy pizza, it's like nine outta 10 on life enjoyment. Like it feels, it tastes so good. He gets stuck at home feeling nauseous, which makes his life a one. And the average is like a five. I would call that average maybe a four. But, but at any rate, um, so. That is like one way to like look at something or he can make a decision like, okay, if I eat a dairy free pizza, it's a seven.It's not the most exciting thing, but then I can keep hanging with my friends, which is a 10. Now I'm averaging [00:16:00] 8.5. So you're making decisions based on the enjoyment you want to have in life versus this tastes super good in the moment and then I'm paying for it later. Um, I've done that. Brad Crowell: Yeah. Well, I mean, I think it's, uh, I think we've all done that.I think the most obvious one is like, should we have that extra glass of wine. Right. And you're like, oh, I'm, I'm feeling high right now. This is great. I want to maintain, I'm just gonna keep on going cuz I'm at a 10. This is so good. And then the next morning you are at a negative 10 because you're like, oh, I can't even think, move cloud brain not functioning.Yeah. So, you know, I mean, if it's a, if that's a one. 10 and five, you know, you'd be back at a five. Yeah. On an average Lesley Logan: there. So like, not great. So I think what this will go, kind of this matrix will help you do is like, as you're planning things, before you even say yes to something, just go, yep. Let me get back to you.And then ask yourself on a scale of one to 10, where's the enjoyment of hanging out with these people? Yeah. And if you're like, well, or whatever Brad Crowell: it is that you wanna do, like maybe it's, um, you know, staying up late to watch another episode of your favorite show [00:17:00] mm-hmm. And then you don't get enough sleep.So how do you feel the next day you can weigh those two things against each. Lesley Logan: By the way, if it has to do with the, um, white lotus, you will never regret the sleep that you let go of because then the next day you don't have to worry about spoilers. So this is, I, I, however other things we do, do this unconsciously and I think it's gonna be a lot of fun to us to like, Put numbers to a lot more things because I have definitely been like, oh, do I wanna do that?Do I wanna watch one more episode of this thing? Or do I wanna walk the dogs? Or if I watch one another's a thing, then I can't walk the dogs. Which one is gonna win right now in the enjoyment field? Sure. And you get to decide it can change day to day. So I thought it was Brad Crowell: cool. But also I think it's funny because, you know, we, I think that there's like a short term versus a long term that he could overlay into this concept too, where, you know, in the short term it's a 10, but in the long term it's a one or a five, you know? Mm-hmm. In the, in the short term, it's a, um, uh, you know, he's feeling like he's sacrificing. Uh, by eating that dairy free pizza. But in the [00:18:00] long term it's even more beneficial because it's benefiting us' life.So, you know, the short term versus the long term, uh, enjoyment. I Lesley Logan: gotta be really honest. I just got my blood results back. Um, and I can tell you right now my short-term decisions of some things that I don't do are having some crazy amazing long-term decisions on my blood work. It's pretty awesome. Nice. I do like add one thing to my life after this blood test.So, um, well actually a few things, but nothing outta my, like the, the one thing that's in my control, the hormones were not, so that's different, but like of the eating things, of the choices on the enjoyment scale. So, um, which means I get to have more avocados because they are on the antioxidant list and I was like, oh, I was gonna say no to more guacamole.Brad Crowell: I love that. Well, so for me, I, he kind of said something in like a offhand comment and he kind of rushed through, but I just thought it was so visually poignant that I wanted to call attention to [00:19:00] it. He was talking about his personal story and he just kind of said, yeah, you know, well, I wanted to get through that, that ceiling and make it a floor.And I thought, I've never actually thought about that before. That's so funny. We talk about the ceiling, the glass ceiling, breaking through the barrier, all this stuff. And he said he wanted, not only did he wanna break through it, but he wanted to make it his floor. And I was like, wow, okay. And he said, here's how to do it.You need to focus your efforts. Um, you need to go all in on one thing. Um, shut down all of the distractions. Um, and then his motto is, get 1% better every day. And there's so many things we can talk about here, but, um, this is something that is particularly challenging for me, uh, because I love to be involved in a thousand different things, but what he was talking about was, when he realized that helping others get their books created, written, published, and grow their, you know, get that out there, uh, was the thing that he [00:20:00] really enjoyed and got the most out of.Then he actually shut down all of his other revenue streams, which is like, oh wow, that's crazy. Um, that's, that's daring. And he said, he, he said, you know what? Let's just give it a try and see what happens. And over the next year when he was able to focus his efforts. Uh, they had a record breaking year. Yeah. And, uh, you know, that's the going all in on one thing.And, uh, so shutting down all other distractions, even revenue streams, that can be really challenging. But for a lot of people, I, I know this is hard for me because there's so much fear in that. Like, when I, I remember when I was working my full-time job and I was doing web development like, you know, at lunch and, and after in the evening, like after I got home, um, It felt like how am I ever gonna replace my full-time income with my part-time gig that I'm, you know, my business that I'm doing.And um, uh, there was a lot [00:21:00] of fear of letting go of that distraction cuz that was what it was turning into was my job was turning into, like, I wasn't enjoying it. That's for darn shore. And it was not, you know, like I couldn't be doing client calls because I was at the office doing my job. And um, you know, but letting go of that job really was a challenge cuz the golden handcuffs feeling and you know, just the simple fear of what if it doesn't work, you know, but, uh, ...(Lesly: just that little thing, fear). You know, minor deeds. But once I, you know, once I did, I, I didn't end up making this a career, but, you know, we made way more money when I had the time to focus on talking to our clients, getting new clients.Pitching new clients, building new websites, um, than we did when I was just working at, you know, once or one or two, three Lesley Logan: hours a day. Yeah. And then when you got rid of all that stuff and just went on, on our thing that we now do together, we make more. Yeah. I mean, there's less distractions Brad Crowell: actually.That's like a really, um, compelling story because, uh, with when, when I [00:22:00] was doing, uh, the websites, importing all those products and selling on Amazon and doing like filming events and stuff, like I was making enough money to live and eat and pay the bills and whatnot, but, Uh, when, when I got rid of all that and focused, you know, my efforts with you on our company, then it paid for both of our lives.Yeah. You know, where I was struggling to make ends meet when I was doing all that other stuff, so. You know, it's, this is like, uh, I just thought it was really cool to call attention to this again. Mm-hmm. Um, you know, if you're doing like a dog walking business and trying to teach Pilates or something, what if you focused or what if you're doing, you know, I don't know, babysitting or something, whatever it is.If you're distracted in that way, um, trying to, you know, um, what if you let go of something and focused on the main thing? Lesley Logan: Yeah. We have an agency member who put, um, put, took a leave of absence at her. It was [00:23:00] a part-time gig, but like, it was more than 20 hours a week of employed because she'd have to drive almost two hours each way.Yeah. Plus full day. And so then, while that doesn't sound like a lot, she still had like her farm and she still had, you know, her business. And so you start to go, well, where's the time to promote the business that you wanna be having, that you wanna be teaching? And so, It took 90 days to go full on on her pilates business and she's able to go to networking things.And also to be honest, she couldn't have gotten gotten to a real job anyways cuz of all the snow that was there. But it's just like snow. The snow that was there. Snow, snow, they had tons of snow. That but any, the point is, is like it is so scary, but you don't have to like, You don't have to like rip the net away.You can actually do a leave of absence and try things out. Or you can, you know, you can give yourself like, okay, I'm gonna do it for this long and I'm gonna see what happens. And, um, if that's an acting career in LA I'm gonna tell you right now, six months is not long enough. Just, just so you know, just giving you that.But [00:24:00] if it's something else, you probably can start to see possibility in six months, uh, of just dedicating yourself to one Brad Crowell: thing. Yeah. And, and another like side note to all that, his motto is, get 1% better every day. And I thought, wow, that is really, uh, like that, that doesn't seem too intimidating. Lesley Logan: It makes me think of Allen Stein Jr's thing too, which is like at the end of each day he asks himself, if he's closer to the person he wants to be, right?Which is like closer, can be 1% is closer. Brad Crowell: Totally. And, uh, you know, like adopting that, it, it allows the perfectionism, uh, you know, to kind of be sidelined because you don't have to, um, you know, it doesn't have to be a hundred percent better. It can be 1% better. Mm-hmm. You know? Mm-hmm. And, and if, especially if you are, you know, going back to this, uh, lifestyle enjoyment matrix are, uh, if you are, you know, making one micro decision each day, that helps.[00:25:00] Bump those, uh, averages up. Uh, you know, that's, that's gonna be, over time it compounds, it's gonna be amazing. Just like you were talking about with the long term in your life. So how can you turn your ceiling into a floor? Yeah, Lesley Logan: it's like a snow globe.Brad Crowell: Okay, so finally let's talk about those, Be It action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Jake Kelfer? Lesley Logan: Okay, here we go. If you want to achieve greatness, you must enjoy the pursuit in the process. (...) Space for that, because I feel like a lot of people complain about the process, are frustrated with the process.Even I'll sometimes go, I'm so tired of this being so hard, but you have to enjoy it. The process, at least some of the process, part of the process, the pursuit of it. Um, so here's how he suggests to do it. It's [00:26:00] called the ACE method. Um, so easy to remember. A is action. Take positive and intentional action in the direction of your dream.Yes. So, hello. Being kind to yourself and having positive thoughts around those actions and taking that action is gonna distill the fear, right? Um, connection is C, build meaningful and intimate connections to find the right people to support you. This is huge. Like every, the reason Jake is here is because of connections.Yeah. He could have been here sooner with other connections, but he was here when he is here because of, of a different connection, right? Like one. Jake and I probably would never have thought would've been one. Um, but such a huge thing. And so all the different things that we often happen, this house we live in is all from different connections.And so oftentimes we like shy away from making those, or we think, who am I? But you have no idea who you, who you are to offer people things. And it's actually a lot of fun to connect to other people, to different things. Um, and then what you should then do is typically, how [00:27:00] can I help you? And then you can ask for the connection you need, um, enjoyment.Um, That's e, e for enjoyment. Um, can you imagine if I was like, like say, you know, when you like say a letter E for N for Nancy, it's like E for enjoyment. E Um, how do you spell your name? Lesley. L, E for enjoyment, S, Okay. Um, you must enjoy yourself in order to achieve the life you're destined Brad Crowell: for. Yeah, I think I, I think that was probably the most common thread through this whole thing is his, you know, the life enjoyment matrix.He talks about including enjoyment in the Be It action item, like how do you achieve greatness? Um, uh, you know, and, and just consistent throughout the whole thing was the pro the idea that you can, you should, you must enjoy what you're doing in order to achieve the life of greatness that you want.Lesley Logan: Yeah. And like, you're not gonna shame yourself to being at the top. And [00:28:00] if you somehow do, like we've heard athletes who get all the way to the top. And they hated the whole way there. You don't end up staying at the top going, this is a party, right? You kind of have that like, like expectation hangover. So, so it's, the more you can really enjoy yourself, the easier everything is to, to put one step in front of the other, to show up and do the scary thing.To have the life you wanna live, to have people in your life that you wanna be around. Because people wanna be around persons having a good time. Um, you guys, you sure do. Jake is, he's like a book papa, like you guys, he's, he is gonna help you take your big idea and make it a book. And if you're like, I've never thought I was gonna be a writer, um, go listen to Roxy's episode.Um, I love it when you call Brad Crowell: me book pop. Lesley Logan: Put your hands in the air.Oh my God. That's the best. Um, okay, so anyways, uh, if you are wondering if you [00:29:00] have an idea that's worth writing about, talk to Jake. His team is gonna take care of you and really help you understand how you can go from saying, I'm not a writer to having a book. People are reading books, guys. Yeah. And, um, totally.And, and, and, and more people should be writing books worth reading. And that includes if you'll listen to this, that's you. Brad Crowell: So Yeah. And if you, if you, uh, do take, uh, start a convo with him, uh, let him know that you heard him on the pod Lesley Logan: Yeah. And what your takeaway was. Yeah. Because people need to hear that their words made a difference.Yeah. So, um, it makes them feel awesome and seen, and don't we all wanna feel that way? I'm Lesley Logan. ...(Brad: And I'm Brad Crowell). Thank you so much for joining us today. How are you gonna use these tips in your life? We wanna know Tag the Be It pod, tag Jake Kelfer. Oh yeah. And you know, oh, Brad Crowell: and PS he is gonna, he offered to give a free copy of his book to you.Oh. If you DM him on. Just DM him on ig. Tell him that you heard about the pod and say you'd love a free copy of the book and he'll send you it. Lesley Logan: Oh, [00:30:00] well we should have said that at Brad Crowell: the top. I know. I just remembered right now and I forgot to put it in the show notes. Okay, so in the notes, we're gonna, Lesley Logan: we're gonna also say this, you're gonna hear this at the end, and we're gonna play, we're gonna, we're gonna record again.For the beginning because this is too good. So DM him if you want his book. Who doesn't want a free book? We all need to read things. And if you liked my list of books, his was one of 'em. So there you go. Oh yeah. Um, all right. Loves, well, we'll see you tomorrow cuz now we have Friday episodes. Brad Crowell: That's right.FYF coming your way tomorrow. Lesley Logan: Yeah. And we wanna share your wins. So you can send 'em to the, uh, Be It pod on Brad Crowell: Instagram. Oh. And stick around to the very end because we got some outtakes that's been happening. There's Lesley Logan: always outtakes. Um, and the team does collect them for bloopers on the YouTube, but uh, we're adding them into the end of the pod because you know what you need to know that we are not perfect.You're not perfect. ...(Brad:And we're enjoying the process.) And we are enjoying that. So have a good laugh on our behalf. Love you. I know. That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You [00:31:00] See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram.I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others be it till you see it. Have an awesome.See it is the production of the Bloom Podcast Network. Brad Crowell: It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Leslie Logan and me, Brad Pro. Lesley Logan: It is produced and edited by the Epic team at Theo. Brad Crowell: Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production, music, and our branding. A designer and artist, John Franklin Lesley Logan: ch. Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals and Sena Velazquez for our Brad Crowell: trans.Also to Angelina Hark for adding all the content to our website, and finally the Meredith Bowl for keeping us all on point and on time.[00:32:00] It's like Choco tacos, stop selling, but then people get upset so they're gonna bring 'em back. Why? Cuz people finally let people know we actually like the Choco taco.Interesting. Okay. Ready? No, you look really short for some reason. Are you? I'm sitting up. Yeah, my feet are on the ground. It's just the weirdest thing. I dunno why I am shorter than you.You just have like a lot of space over your head though. I don't know. Like can the chair, can the chair go up? I don't know.No, didn't go here.Sit on a pillow. I got one. Oh, there you go. I feel super tall. No, you actually look normal and you can bring the mic up slightly if you want. I'm on a booster seat. That's what I feel like. I never got to sit in those when I was a kid, cuz I was already too tall, didn't need one. I have no idea if I had a booster or not.[00:33:00] Worth asking your parents.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Every week, we are highlighting a panel from TBRCon2023, looking back on the amazing variety of panels that we had the honor of hosting. This week, join moderator/book blogger Mihir Wanchoo (Fantasy Book Critic) and panelists Robin Sullivan, Dyrk Ashton, Virginia McClain, Intisar Khanani and J.D.L. Rosell for a TBRCon2023 author panel on “Crowdfunding Your Project.” SUPPORT THE SHOW: - Patreon (for exclusive bonus episodes, author readings, book giveaways and more) - Merch shop (for a selection of tees, tote bags, mugs, notebooks and more) - Subscribe to the FanFiAddict YouTube channel, where this and every other episode of the show is available in full video - Rate and review SFF Addicts on your platform of choice, and share us with your friends EMAIL US WITH YOUR QUESTIONS & COMMENTS: sffaddictspod@gmail.com ABOUT THE PANELISTS: Mihir Wanchoo is the founder of the Fantasy Book Critic book blog. Find Mihir on Twitter and Fantasy Book Critic. Robin Sullivan is the business manager of her husband, fantasy author Michael J. Sullivan. Find Robin/Michael on Twitter, Amazon or their personal website. Dyrk Ashton is the author of The Paternus Trilogy. Find Dyrk on Twitter, Amazon or his personal website. Intisar Khanani is the author of The Sunbolt Chronicles and Thorn. Find Intisar on Twitter, Amazon or her personal website. Virginia McClain is the author of the Gensokai series, the Victoria Marmot series and more. Find Virginia on Twitter, Amazon or her personal website. J.D.L Rosell is the author of Legend of Tal, Ranger of the Titan Wilds, The Runewar Saga, The Famine Cycle, and Godslayer Rising. Find J.D.L on Twitter, Amazon or his personal website. FOLLOW SFF ADDICTS: FanFiAddict Book Blog Twitter Instagram MUSIC: Intro: "Into The Grid" by MellauSFX Outro: “Galactic Synthwave” by Divion --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/sff-addicts/message

Indie vs trad is an ever-green career debate, and is one of our most common listener questions. Authors wrestle frequently with which route will suit them best. But the real question is—why pick between them, when you can do both?Today, we are joined by Michael J Sullivan (a New York Times, USA Today, and Washington Post bestselling American writer) and Robin Sullivan, a powerhouse industry expert & fierce author advocate. In a detailed, wide-ranging interview, dream team Robin & Michael talk about the triumphs and trials of a very long career: from small press ventures to an unstoppable indie career and mammoth trade publishing battles, before eventually scaling the heights of hybrid success.As ever, we aren't going to tell you what to do, or what is best; there is no such thing as a categorical answer in publishing. But hopefully we can help provide you enough facts to make informed decisions.Listen to our follow-up in episode 8, where we toss complex industry questions at Robin & Michael, in exchange for some very detailed answers.SHOW NOTES:How Mike and Robin got started - with a book that was small press published, then self-published, then big 5 publishedThe first trad deal Orbit Books offered them, and why they accepted it even though they were already successfulThe good and bad of working with a trad publisher, and why they found it a useful experience despite the many negativesEditors as project managers, and how much editing quality/quantity variesHow publishers look at and regard self pub authorsThe difference in indie vs trad profitsWhy Robin and Michael took a second trad deal with Del ReyWhy Robin and Mike went back to self publishingwhy they don't take money from authors - and their belief in helping, mentoring, and advocating freely

Off the back of episode 7, we sit down to throw some complex industry questions at Robin & Michael J Sullivan, in exchange for some very detailed answers. Questions have been marked with rough time stamps for your convenience!QUESTION 1 00:58 What kinds of changes did you make specifically to the Orbit contract that defanged the noncompete to the point that you still had flexibility?As part of the above: what ARE non-compete clauses, what do they actually mean, are they enforceable, and can you negotiate with the publisher on yours?05:26 Followup: are non-competes even legal / enforceable? (answer: no, not really)QUESTION 227:19 - "Going with Orbit and Del Rey, despite the negatives, was worth it for expanding the readerbase. What things did these publishers do that worked, in terms of getting you out there, and what we who are early in our careers could likewise do to amplify our success or our current situations? And/or what kind of things did YOU do, on top of what your publishers were doing, that worked?QUESTION 3 47:59 - "Whether you have some sense for where the industry is going since you've been on both sides of it, and what you'd recommend for authors in terms of how you'd structure their career?"SHOW NOTES13:30 - Authors feel intimidated in negotiations14:00 - NDAs! are we allowed to talk about what's in our contracts? (Answer: yes)So much depends on the editor you getPublishers will heavily market two types of books: books that already make the money, or books that will make a splash. Otherwise it's on you to sink or swim.Sunyi's Press Kit gets a mention - feel free to use hers as a template, and build your own33:31 - The Three Steps To Publishing Success (by Robin)what is a really good book? Let's define it (and why Twilight IS a good book, actually!)34:49 - The ratio of readers, cheerleaders, and superfans⦁ Interacting with readers - benefits to the authorThe "authenticity stamp" of trad publishing39:00 - would they do the trad circus again, if they could redo it?The difference between trad and indie succcessThe future of publishing, and some positives/negativesWhy Michael would actually recommend indie authors to try the trad / hybrid route for awhile, and what they can learn from that processWhat ChatGPT means for high-volume indie authorsQuick pep talk for Scott!Why writing is truly the best job ever - and not quite like any other job in the world

Hey everyone!! As we mentioned in this episode, it feels like it's been 52 years since we recorded! It feels so great to be able to sit down together again and chat about our lives and the books we have been reading! We just love it so much! Also, Becky started an Etsy page to have an income that's specifically for helping her Homestead to grow! The name of her Etsy will be below in the footnotes. Recording our podcast is definitely a big highlight of our week! We are so glad you're here to join us! A few reminders below:By the time you're hearing this episode, you will no longer be able to send in an audio clip/ paragraph for us to read regarding the book club pick, Twilight by Stephanie Meyer - you'll hear our thoughts next week!By the time you're hearing this episode, you will no longer be able to participate in the giveaway - The winner will be announced next week! (Possibly earlier on social media) If you are interested in any of our merchandise options, feel free to message us and let us know!The show notes regarding this episode are below! Thanks for listening and until next week, stay Happily Booked! 22:26 - Everything Colorado Retail Store - www.everythingcoloradoco.com23:08 - All The Pretty Horses by Cormac McCarthy / The Road by Cormac McCarthy26:06 - The Guide by Peter Heller / The Dog Stars by Peter Heller28:55 - Age Of Legend by Michael J. Sullivan / Age Of Death by Michael J. Sullivan 32:01 - The Twilight Saga by Stephenie Meyer 34:04 - A Court Of Silver Flames by Sarah J. Maas34:46 - The Hunger Games Series By Suzanne Collins35:15 - Harry Potter And The Prisoner Of Azkaban by J. K. Rowling 35:51 - Faceless Killers by Henning Mankell 36:32 - Twilight by Stephenie Meyer37:14 - The Stand by Stephen King37:44 - A Quiet Life In The Country by T. E. Kinsey 38:59 - The Westing Game by Ellen Raskin40:28 - The Last Thing He Told Me by Laura Dave41:30 - Gone Girl by Gillian Flynn / The Glass Hotel by Emily St. John Mandel 46:09 - And Then There Were None by Agatha Christie / Only Murders In The Building Hulu Original / Knives Out 2019 Movie 53:35 - New Moon by Stephenie Meyer 53:54 - Remarkably Bright Creatures by Shelby Van Pelt Support the showBe sure to keep yourself Happily Booked! Becky's Homestead Etsy Page: bobwhitehomestead.etsyInstagram/ TikTok - happilybookedpodcastFacebook - Happily Booked PodcastLikewise - BrookeBatesHappilyBookedGoodreads - Brooke Lynn Bates Storygraph - brookebatesratesbooks / magbeck2011 THE Sideways Sheriff - Permanent Sponsor Insta/ TikTok - Sideways_sheriffFacebook - Sideways SheriffYoutube - Sideways Sheriff

Time Schedule: 60 minutesSummary of Topics Covered: Introduction Mediator Duty of Competency Balancing Zealous Advocacy and Working Towards Resolution Do Mediators Give Legal Advice Does a Client Have the Right to Make a Stupid Decision Good Faith in Mediation Communications with Parties and Attorneys Instructor Hon. Michael J. Sullivan, Esq. Bio Partner Brow, Drew, Massey & Sullivan Governor of Wyoming 1986 & 1990 Instructor Harvard Kennedy School Institute of Politics US Ambassador to Ireland 1998-2001 Mediator Service Chairman of the National County Hospital Board Chairman of the Wyoming Board of Bar Examiners Chairman of the Western Governors Association Chairman of the National Governors' Association Executive Board J.D., University of Wyoming, 1964B.S., University of Wyoming, 1961

Hey, fellow kindred spirits! We are so glad you're sticking around for the show notes! We hope you find everything you want to find and if you are ever UNABLE to find something we talked about…please message us and we will try to accommodate your search! While you're busy adding both of us on Storygraph (our usernames are down below in the footnotes) go ahead and add our good buddies Katie & Faith! -katieparrishsbookcherish-faithcatoeAs always, we hope you are keeping yourself Happily Booked!Below are the show notes for this episode! “The fans of the book…are the basis of life…”

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This is part two of our two-part discussion about using Kickstarter to launch books. If you haven't already listened to part one, check that out first: https://wizardswarriorswords.com/episode/337-how-to-launch-books-on-kickstarter-robin-michael-j-sullivan-part-12In this episode, we continue talking with Robin & Michael J. Sullivan - a New York Times, USA Today, and Washington Post bestselling epic fantasy and science fiction author, best known for his Riyria Revelations series.Support Wizards, Warriors, & Words on Patreon for bonus episodes: https://www.patreon.com/wizardswarriorswordsVisit our website to send us a question (and see bonus content): https://wizardswarriorswords.com/Email us: wizardswarriorswords@gmail.comFOR MORE ABOUT OUR HOSTS & OUR BOOKS:Jed Herne: http://jedherne.com/Dyrk Ashton: http://paternusbooks.com/Michael R. Fletcher: http://michaelrfletcher.com/Rob J. Hayes: http://robjhayes.co.uk/This episode was produced and edited by Adrian M. Gibson: https://amgibson.com/Thanks to all of our patrons for funding the show, and an extra-special shoutout to our Legendary Wizard patrons, Taylon, Daniel and Luis! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We're joined by Michael J. Sullivan and his wife and business manager Robin Sullivan to discuss how to run effective Kickstarter campaigns. They're masters at this - Brandon Sanderson even paid credit to them when running his own massive multimillion-dollar Kickstarter campaign, describing them as pioneers of this new publishing approach. Enjoy!For more Kickstarter inspiration, check out Jed's recent interview with Aaron A. Reed, who ran a wildly successful half-a-million dollar Kickstarter on the history of text adventures. Listen to it on the podcast feed or watch it here: https://youtu.be/UerRC8E_qA4 Support Wizards, Warriors, & Words on Patreon for bonus episodes: https://www.patreon.com/wizardswarriorswordsVisit our website to send us a question (and see bonus content): https://wizardswarriorswords.com/Email us: wizardswarriorswords@gmail.comFOR MORE ABOUT OUR HOSTS & OUR BOOKS:Jed Herne: http://jedherne.com/Dyrk Ashton: http://paternusbooks.com/Michael R. Fletcher: http://michaelrfletcher.com/Rob J. Hayes: http://robjhayes.co.uk/This episode was produced and edited by Adrian M. Gibson: https://amgibson.com/Thanks to all of our patrons for funding the show, and an extra-special shoutout to our Legendary Wizard patrons, Taylon, Daniel and Luis! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Howdy friends!Instagram: happilybookedpodcastFacebook: Happily Booked Podcast Email: happilybookedpodcast@gmail.com (Anything non-podcast related and/or inappropriate will be reported)Tik Tok: happilybookedpodcastAs always, we are so glad to be able to have our podcast fun and chat away like crazy on Mondays! We are honored that you lovely people want to listen to our rambles...okay, fine! You want to hear about books! But we're a rambly pair and if you ask us to change, you're asking for far too much! But in all seriousness, thank you so much for listening! We (we as in Brooke) trailed off a good bit in this episode, so brace yourselves! There is one spot in this episode where we are chatting about a certain book and accidentally drop the name of one of our dear pals. We did our best to edit it out for privacy reasons seeing as we have not confirmed with this person if it was alright to say her name! So you will probably be able to hear when the slip-up happened as we go from talking calmly to giggling like fools! Oh well! We are who we are. Also, from the time we recorded this episode to its publishing (today, 9/05/22), we gained a wonderful listener from "across the pond" in Europe! Hello friend!! We are so honored you chose to download two of our episodes! Much love to ya! But we wanted to apologize because in this recording we did not have you as a listener just yet and there is a moment we mentioned some other fun locations that we are being downloaded in. We apologize and will rectify that, not in the next episode, but in the one after in Ep. 6! For some unknown reason, I said the author of The Dewberry Farm Mysteries was a "Katherine". That was entirely incorrect, that cozy mystery series is written by a KAREN MacInerney! I apologize for the confusion that I am putting out into the world. Alright, I believe that was all! Below are the treasured show notes! Thanks again for listening and enjoy!P.S.- The movie The Passengers is not as creepy as Brooke makes it out to be. :)10:05 - The Hunger Games Trilogy by Suzanne Collins10:20 - The Wolf and The Woodsman by Ava Reid 10:55 - The Dewberry Farm Mysteries by Karen MacInerney12:30 - Currently Reading Podcast - https://www.currentlyreadingpodcast.com/13:35 - Caron One Pound Acrylic Yarn 14:14 - Psych Tv Show (2006)17:06 - Harry Potter and The Sorcerer's Stone by J. K. Rowling17:15 - Pizza, Love, and Other Stuff That Made Me Famous by Kathryn Williams18:05 - A-Z Children's Mysteries by Ron Roy20:00 - Harry Potter Series, Specifically The Prisoner Of Azkaban and The Deathly Hallows23:58 - The Hobbit by J. R. R. Tolkien / The Fellowship of The Rings24:57 - Kafka On The Shore by Haruki Murakami 27:44 - Jurassic Park by Michael Crichton27:49 - Bird Box by Josh Malerman28:33 - The Wolf and The Woodsman by Ava Reid29:39 - Midpond Mustang Bash in Columbiana, Alabama31:43 - Where The Crawdads Sing by Delia Owens34:18 - The Wolf and The Woodsman by Ava Reid35:57 - The Lord Of The Rings Movies38:43 - The Star Wars, Republic Commando books: Written by Karen Traviss  1: Hard Contact 2: Triple Zero 3. True Colors 4. Order 66 5: 501st41:08 - Station Eleven by Emily St. John Mandel 43:04 - Age Of Myth: The Legends Of the First Empire, Book 1 by Michael J. Sullivan 44:09 - The Stand by Stephen King44:51 - How High We Go In The Dark by Sequoia Nagamatsu45:07 - The Passengers 2016 Movie 48:29 - Into The Forest by Jean Hegland49:44 - Dragon Teeth by Michael Crichton52:47 - Louis L'amour Western Books - https://www.barnesandnoble.com/b/contributor/louis-lamour/_/N-2kg657:18 - The Colorado Kid by Stephen King1:05:31 - Six Of Crows/ Crooked Kingdom Duology by Leigh Bardugo 

How can you finally stop repairing the same negative relationships? Brad and Lesley recap somatic dating coach, Lauren Zoeller, discussing past relationships, red flags, and how to transform your dating life or current relationships. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Upcoming things to note: AGENCY MINI, Cambodia retreat, Las Vegas RetreatThe best Book recommendations for personal growth and bizHow do you give and receive love? And is it keeping you in unhealthy relationship patterns?Boredom as a driving factor and running from relationship to relationship to chase the high.The difference between a life coach and a therapist Exploring your past red flag relationships for growthWhy has every relationship ended? Episode References/Links:Follow Lauren on IGLauren's WebsiteProfitable Pilates RetreatAGENCY MINIBooks: We Should All Be Millionaires, Rachel RogersChatter. Ethan KrossRejection Proof. Jia JiangE-Squared Pam GroutGetting the Love You Want, Harville HendricksBrad Crowell PP Course How to be rejected to success with 200 noesTELL US YOUR THOUGHTS  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the aligning convo I have with Lauren Zoeller in our last episode. If you haven't yet listen to interview, feel free to pause this now. Go back and listen to that one, and then come back and join us. If you don't know about somatic coaching. You should listen to the interview.Brad Crowell  Yeah, if you don't know the definition of somatic, she explained it. (Lesley: Yeah.) Lauren because it was actually great as your very first question. Like, "Hey, cool. I'm all about life coaching. What's the somatic part mean? Can you explain that?" And they dug in pretty deep. So yeah.Lesley Logan  Yeah, I know. Well, it's because I have a somatic therapist, and I didn't really understand what that title was. And she would do her therapy. And it had somatic stuff, but like, I didn't really I just was like, "Oh, we're in the woowoo world. We're just doing this." But it's actually not. It's not woowoo would all it's like totally legit science. You should totally... So go listen to it. But I love Lauren, and ...Brad Crowell  She, she's powerful.Lesley Logan  She's powerful. (Brad: Yeah.) She's super cool. And at the time that we're recording this, I'm on the eve of hanging out with her for the weekend here in Vegas. (Brad: Yeah.) So talk about, do you mind, I just say I want to say this, because it's nothing to do with anything. But if you're trying to make friends, like, do the things that just that people do want to like, share and experience together. She is coming here with a couple other women. Because I was like, "We should all hang out. I live in Las Vegas. It's a great place to come visit."Brad Crowell  Wait, really? (Lesley: Yeah. That was I said.) They came because you, you just invited them to come. (Lesley: Yeah.) That's so cool.Lesley Logan  I know. I said we should, well, I will, I won't take all the credit. They know a mutual friend, they know Tori Gordon, who is a coach because who was a coach, and she was on our podcast earlier. (Brad: Yeah.) And they're like, "Oh, yeah, Tori was talking about how we should all come to Vegas." I said, "Well, now you've two reasons to come because Tori and I live in the same neighborhood. (Brad: Great.) And you should come." And boom, set some dates. And now they're coming.Brad Crowell  That's really cool. I didn't know that. That's fun.Lesley Logan  Take action ... I'm so excited. By the time you've heard this, I've already hang out. We've already had our women's weekend and it's going to be amazing. I'll be talking about it on another episode. Anyways. We are also one month away from the time that you're listening to this. From the PP retreat. The Profitablie Pilates business retreat here in Las Vegas. (Brad: Yeah.) So if you are wanting to hang out in a very intimate, not in like a sexual way, but just like small, that's what I mean it by a small group, private event.Brad Crowell  I don't think anybody took it as sexual but but that's fair to clarify.Yeah, it's it's a, it's an intimate setting, that's a fair way to describe it. It's, it's actually a lot of fun and very transformative when it comes to digging into the customer journey that you may or may not be presenting to your customers. If you run a fitness business, or any kind of service based business, really, the principles do apply, and that we'll be recovering that weekend. And our first one that we ran earlier this year was amazing. It was so amazing. So we're really excited to be hosting a second one this year. (Lesley: It will be amazing.) It's going to be amazing. (Lesley: I'm just gonna put amazing in there one more time.) Also, amazingly, I'm not sure that we haven't set a date yet for next year. So it's not 100% that we're going to do it for next year. So if you're thinking I'll just do the next one. Just talk to us now because (Lesley: Yeah.) because it may not actually be one we want you know like we've got a lot going on next year like a lot.Lesley Logan  A lot. And I'll say I just want to say like putting off the growth of your business for next time. Can we just like talk about like ...Brad Crowell  Why wait nine more months to get started?Lesley Logan  The people who are at our first retreat, several of them made their retreat investment back within a couple of months. Of just using our project management training, of using our launch training of all this stuff. (Brad: Yeah.) They are now working on things this right now, as second rounds of things that will have (Brad: Yeah.) even better outcomes. If they had not come if they waited till next time they would not they would literally be where they were way before March making what they, making what they made before March in a time when you make more money. So I'm just saying don't wait till next time and Brad is right. We have not set dates and it's pretty unclear whether or not we will have another one in the 2023 dates we ...Brad Crowell  Look, we're hoping that we can do but (Lesley: We love it.) but but actually I also love going to Cambodia. So, yeah.Lesley Logan  We love going to Cambodia but we also love vacation.Brad Crowell  Yeah, there's that. I would like to take ... (Lesley: Yeah, so anyway ...) and idea. (Lesley: That's one month away. So ...) That's happening. Yeah, in the month. And then but what's happening is before then.Lesley Logan  Oh, Agency Mini. (Brad: Yeah.) Two, so it's like about two ish weeks away. It starts on the 18th. And ... (Brad: How it was a different than the retreat?) Okay, so Agency Mini, first of all, fold is very different. The retreat is at our house in person curated, very small group, very small group. (Brad: Yeah.) Agency Mini is not to say that it's a big group, but it is a bigger group. And ... (Brad: Yeah, it's a couple hundred people.) It's also online. We do one workshop, and we do one Q&A session, and then we answer your questions throughout the week. Whereas at the retreat, when you're on our house, we have several workshops, several times where you guys are in coaching settings. It's a very curated experience around what you're gonna be learning. Whereas inside of Agency Mini, we have a very curated webinar and homework for you. But then the rest of the week, you can really ask us anything, we'll be really honest with you.Brad Crowell  But bigger, bigger picture, though. The retreat, we're going to dig into, like I said, your customers journey (Lesley: Yeah.) and what you're putting in front of them, when to graduate them from your first product, your second product, your third product, whether that's digitally on your website, you know, or whether that is, you know, in your brick and mortar store. (Lesley:Yeah.) Where Agency Mini is a, it's a seven day taster of our ongoing coaching services, where you can we are going to dig into, we're going to help you clarify, you know exactly what it is that you offer your clients, how to connect to those clients, who those clients actually are. Right. And and then we're going to open it up for questions about anything throughout the week. So you know, and that's going to be virtual.Lesley Logan  Yeah. So profitabliepilates.com/retreat is retreat and profitable, profitablepilates.com/mini is for Agency Mini. (Brad: Yeah.) So you should sign up for that. (Brad: Yeah. Join us.) Also, by the way, if you join Agency for Mini, you get a lots of goodies. So just saying (Brad: True.) you've been thinking, "Oh, I want to coach with them," and you sign up for that. This is the time. So anyways, I'm so excited. September is, September, October are like going to be so ... (Brad: They're very so fun.) We're going to be like we're going to be in several states ... (Brad: It's gonna be a whirlwind.) It's a whirlwind.Brad Crowell  Yeah, it's gonna be crazy.Lesley Logan  Gotta get my sleep on. Anyways, we have an audience question.Brad Crowell  We do. You've answered this before, but it's been a long time. I just inserted that. What are some books that you recommend? Do you have any new ones?Lesley Logan  Yeah, so I don't recall which recap we answered this question. But I would say it's probably 100 episodes ago.Brad Crowell  I was gonna say, I think it's been like a long time.Lesley Logan  Yeah. So of course, I have been reading a lot. And by reading I mean listening. But I actually am reading a couple books like physical books. Currently, as we're doing this. So here's my new top books that I've been talking about a lot. And I've read it. There's they're not in, like, inclusive of all the books that I've read, but like what I think listeners of this show would really love. We Should All Be Millionaires, Rachel Rogers. Rachel Rogers, if you're listening this episode. Hi. Big fan over here. Want to be on the show? If you know Rachel, please do the intro. I'm just putting out there. I'm asking for it. I want I want Rachel Rogers on the show. That book is amazing. It's so good. I and Brad, love reading it.Brad Crowell  Yeah, we're I'm like, I don't know, third of the way through it right now. Halfway, I'm not sure.Lesley Logan  Yeah, it's so good. Chatter. I believe it is by Ethan Kross. I think that's who it's by. Yes. And I have DMed him, he has not responded to me. So I am not, (Brad: Ethan Kross.) I'm not rejected yet. And I will not take no for an answer from that man because he is amazing. That book is so it's so awesome at identifying why you're talking to yourself and the thoughts you say. And then also how to like snap yourself out of it, which I just frickin love. You know, I love action. So, Action Steps so that's a great book and then Rejection Proof. Oh my gosh, he did reject me for right now. Not permanently, he said to come back to him later. He's just not doing podcasts right now. That's okay. Jia Jiang, I got you. My peeps are gonna find you. We're gonna get you on the show. Anyways, Rejection Proof is so good. If you're afraid of being rejected. Brad has a course about being rejected (Brad: I do.) on our Profitable Pilates website.Brad Crowell  Yeah. We'll put the link to that in the show notes. (Lesley: Yeah.) It's called How to be rejected to success with 200 noes.Lesley Logan  Yeah, so and then this book was just like so so good. I'm really into it and then I've talked about it before actually talked about it with Coach Lee a couple weeks ago on that episode, but I started doing E-Squared again, and it's Pam Grout. Hi, Pam. Hi, hey girl hey. (Brad: Hey girl hey.) I tagg you on a post or three. Not a stalker, but just same (Brad: Big fan.) big fan, big fan over here. Anyways, um, I had I read Pam Grout's book, eight years ago, seven years ago, and I actually did one of the experience I put Brad's name now. And then he called me. (Brad: I did.) And then the other woman's name down, I just put the two together. She's the woman from the other company that's been hitting us up. (Brad: Oh, that's crazy.) How crazy is that? But she did also call me while we ran into each other. Anyways, you'll hear that on on Coach Lee's episode. But the point is, I've been doing all the experiments and I did the experiment one. I started on a specific date at 11am. And then I decided to meditate on like receiving abundance. And at 11:03 during the middle of my meditation, the experiment came through. Oh! So you all have to do E-Squared. Okay, those are the books. Do you have anything add to that?Brad Crowell  Those are, those are great. No, I've been reading political books, and also some novels. (Lesley: Yeah.) So yeah, less if you if you if you are looking to find a new world to experience that has nothing to do with reality. There's a lovely, incredible, 20 something books here series (Lesley: Oh, are you doing YA?) No.Lesley Logan  No, young adult, you're listening to a young adult?Brad Crowell  I don't know what that is. (Lesley: Oh.) So no, it's his name is Michael J. Sullivan. And he is a he's like a, he created his own fantasy world where he's got different, different times of the timeline. So like, you know, he started off, (Lesley: Oh) he started off with a thief and a soldier and the two of them get paired together and have to go to that. And he wrote, like, I don't know, 12 books around this. They're still out ...Lesley Logan  So not necessarily like a book for 20 somethings. It's just a 20 year long.Brad Crowell  No, no. He's written 20 novels. (Lesley: Yeah. Okay.) No, (Lesley: Sorry.) 20 books.Lesley Logan  20 books. So not YA at all?Brad Crowell  I don't know what YA is? So, no.Lesley Logan  YA is a ti... is like a section of books. It's called Young Adult. It's like your twilight ...Brad Crowell  Oh, yeah. I never I never got out of that. Yeah. (Lesley: Yeah.) No, it's a ...Lesley Logan  Like not goosebumps. But you know, something like that. Like ...Brad Crowell  I mean, sure, these are these are applicable for all ages, actually. The but but then, in that, in that timeline, he was referencing, you know, the history 3000 years ago. And then the next set of six books he wrote was from 3000 years ago. (Lesley: Oh, my God.) And then now the new books he's writing are in the middle, between these two timelines on a ... (Lesley: I can't handle it.) It's amazing, actually. And you fall in love with the characters and yeah, I mean, he is, he's mind blowingly good at what he does. It is incredible. The books are just fantastic. So (Lesley: Okay.) yeah.Lesley Logan  Let's talk about Lauren. (Brad and Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell  We don't go to the same movies, y'all. Just saying.Lesley Logan  We don't. We also don't go to bed the same time or wake up at the same time. We are an anomaly. If you are like, "I want to be married like Brad and Lesley." I'm just gonna go out right now you have to be very secured ...Brad Crowell  We have so much in common when it comes to being entrepreneurs.Lesley Logan  Yeah. And we ... like, like the things that we love to do for fun. Our so opposite. (Brad: Yeah) We just do them on our own.Brad Crowell  So, Lesley's got a green thumb. No, she doesn't.Lesley Logan  No, no. She doesn't. (Brad: I'm teasing.) But my Mammillaria by not touching it whatsoever is doing great. (Brad: Yeah, yeah.) My plant in the window. It's not doing so good. I don't know what to do about it. Anyway. Hi, let's talk about Lauren.Brad Crowell  Let's talk about Lauren Zoeller.Lesley Logan  All I can say is Lauren ... as like our guests listening to these recaps ...Brad Crowell  I know. They're probably, "What the hell?" (Lesley: When did they talk about me though?) Okay, cool. So, Lauren, helping women and men find conscious partnerships. Lauren Zoeller is a Somatic Relationship Expert, aka Dating Coach who overcame her own patterns of shame to now lead women into aligned lives. Lauren is more than a matchmaker. She's here to guide individuals to keep the relationships they find, and in the process, discover a deeper love for themselves.Lesley Logan  So aka better than a dating coach. (Brad: Yeah. Better than a dating coach.) Just to like, help my new friend out. She's more than a dating coach.Brad Crowell  Well, yeah, well, I think I think that, again, if you go back and listen to her definition of somatic, it will help you understand how different she is from you know, just, you know, she's not Hitch you know, I think you you probably had the best example, I'm just going to pull it back up. You said, people who date the quote on quote, "date the same person over and over and over again, until they learn their lesson." Right? She helps you, like understand why you might be repeating things, but just in a different time and a different with the different people. (Lesley: Yeah.) But you're still repeating the same thing.Lesley Logan  If you're watching us on the YouTube channel, you got the air quotes. If you didn't, Brad, his inflection should hopefully help you understand the air quotes are in there.Brad Crowell  Yeah, Brad is very good.Lesley Logan  It's better than Joey from Friends that air quote. I'm sorry. (Lesley and Brad laughs)Brad Crowell  What was one thing that you love that Lauren said?Lesley Logan  Thank you for asking. One thing I love that she said was "how you receive love as a child shapes how you expect to be loved today. Often those who had a frenetic childhood are chasing the high of chaos". And she went on a little bit like how do you give and receive love? And is it keeping you in unhealthy patterns is a question she's having (Brad: Yeah.) she's haveing you ask yourself. So take a moment. How do you give and receive love? And is it keeping you in an unhealthy patterns? So, you know, we all know The Five Love Languages and things like that. But like actually think about it like the way you're giving and receiving love. Is it actually helping you? Have loving relationships? Or is it in this chaotic, unhealthy pattern? Like these are important things. And then she also had some other examples like boredom as a driving factor and running from relationship to relationship to chase the high.Brad Crowell  Well, that's good. So so what she was talking about, which I thought was really amazing because I, I don't I never I never thought this way. But she said if you had chaos in your childhood, and actually she specifically was talking about helicopter parents. And she said, if your you know, parents were in, and then out and then in and then out and there was this chaos happening. You often expect that later on in life. So if you end up in a stable, you know, relationship, it doesn't mean stable is good or bad. It just means it's the opposite of what you expected. So more often than not, you're inclined to feel like, this is boring, or this is safe. Or this is kind of ... you know, and ...Lesley Logan  It's like when Carrie broke up with Aidan, everyone. She broke with Aidan because they didn't fight. And ...Brad Crowell  I don't actually know any idea ...Lesley Logan  Sex in the City. Everyone who's listening is knodding their head, we all know, because that was a big deal. There was a whole thing.Brad Crowell  So glad I wasn't there for that one. Okay. Yeah, it's like, guys, it's like, Oh, my God. It's like when Carrie broke up (Lesley: Stop.) with Aidan (Lesley: Okay.) because they didn't fight all the time.Lesley Logan  No, but it's I think people need examples sometimes ...Brad Crowell  I think it's a perfect example. I just was not there with you on that one.Lesley Logan  It's fine. Everyone who's listening is with me. (Brad: Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.) They're all with me ...Brad Crowell  No, it's a perfect example because, you know, and then conversely, if you had a relatively stable, you know, or quote unquote, "boring", you know, like, like childhood love from your parents, and you find yourself in a chaotic relationship. You may be like, "I can't do this," you know. And anyway, I thought that was really interesting. I never thought about that before ...Lesley Logan  Yeah, yeah. And also, so first of all, Lauren has an incredible course. And she has a bunch of services. There was also the book, Getting the Love You Want, which is a very interesting book about explaining the old brain, the new brain, and like, how, when you first get a relationship, you fill all of your own holes. So ... (Brad: Harville Hendricks) Yeah. So you fill all your own holes to so people like look, "I'm this like, perfect, amazing being and there's nothing crazy wrong with me here. Don't like I'm so good. And your partner, by the way, is doing the exact same thing." And then after a few months, it's so exhausting trying to fill those holes. But you don't even realize that you're doing it on a subconscious level. So (Brad: Right.) you think that that person, the person you're with is filled the holes like they've solved the problem. So and then when both of you start filling your own holes, you're like, "You change. They change, blah, blah, blah." Actually no, you both just started to be your fucking selves. (Brad: Interesting) Yeah, and so a lot ...Brad Crowell  Well she does, Lauren talks about that, at the very beginning. She talked about like, you know, being lonely and filling that loneliness with someone who you know, you shouldn't be with.Lesley Logan  Yeah. Oh, totally. Who hasn't done that, (Brad: Yeah) like 17 times not personal. Just, I just know, I'm still I'm watched. But I think it's like, it's ... (Brad: Calling you in behalf of a friend.) Yeah, calling for a friend, actually. Anyways, it's a great book, if you're like, "I don't know, if I'm gonna read the book." He was on Oprah. And you can like get the Cliff's Notes version, or you can just work with Lauren. But the reality is, is like, we have to stop pretending that how we were raised is um not affecting the lives and the choices we have now. And then also we have to understand that like we are making choices. You may think things are happening to you. And this is just the people that are around you. And these are the only options but we all actually have choices and when you start to recognize that like how you are choosing to give and receive love is a choice. (Brad: Sure.) Even if you feel it's subconscious, it can actually be a conscious decision. When you make those changes, you can actually start to change the patterns of the day you have and find the person you want to have and look at Lauren, look where she's at right now.Brad Crowell  Yeah. Interesting. Wow. Yeah. And what she's referencing is having moved through a very tumultuous time in her life to finding a place where she can be herself. (Lesley: Yeah.) With someone that she loves in a business that's functioning and all good things. (Lesley: Yeah.) So again, worth listening to. One thing I loved that she said, was she helped define the difference between a therapist and a life coach. (Lesley: Which I knew you would love.) Yeah, well, she is a life coach, therapist, generally speaking, has degrees in therapy, and they, you know, like help you dig into the past. Right. And so you're really breaking things down and trying to uncover, you know, where you came from. Whereas a life coach is helping you plan and look at your future. And I thought that was such a clear distinction, such an easy way to understand the difference between the two ...Lesley Logan  I knew you love it. (Brad: Yeah, that was great.) I was like, "Oh my gosh, Brad's and I fucking love this definition." And also, by the way, you could have a somatic therapist, (Brad: You can.) life coach, (Brad: Yeah.) and so you, like somatics is really amazing. Again, if you like, "What's somatic?" Listen to the other episode, just gonna make you do it. But you can have both and like, you can also have a therapist and a life coach, because one could be dealing with one thing and one you could be doing. (Brad: 100%) So you know, just that there are different things. But I loved how she explained it. I agree with you on that love.Brad Crowell  Yeah. All right. So finally, let's talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your conversation with Lauren Zoeller? She summed it all up with one, one solid action BE IT action item. She said, look at the patterns that have shown up in your relationships, and write them down. Why has every relationship ended? And is there a common thread?Lesley Logan  Yeah, and I think you can look at friendships, as well as in family relationships, as well as love relationships. Like I think like, you know, we're not, we are different, with different people ish. But we all kind of wrote this thing. So like, if you look at how you how maybe a family member and you had a falling out, or a friend you had falling out, I bet you there's some common threads. And I think that can be worth journaling about. I'm not saying shame and judge all yourself, please. That's not what I'm saying ...Brad Crowell  But it's still a hard thing to dig into and look and review. And, you know, I mean, I think that it's easy to avoid. Let's just say it can be easy to avoid thinking about this stuff. (Lesley: Oh yeah) So when you start to uncover it, it may be a little bit uncomfortable. You know, because if you're honest with yourself, you know, how much a part of the ending of those relationships where you? Obviously, it takes two people to be in a relationship. So you were clearly a part of it. How?Lesley Logan  Yeah, and I think like, it's not like we're saying you should take all the blame, because that's not it at all. (Brad: No) But you should just actually look at like, what was your role in it? And like, if you're like, "Well, listen Brad, my person cheated on me." Okay, that's fine. I do not blame anybody who was cheated on, like as the reason for that, because that's a whole other ball of wax. But you can look at the red flags, that you ignored at the begining of the relationship that (Brad: Yeah) got you in relationship with someone who cheated on you. (Brad: Sure.) And there, and so you looking at those red flags that you ignored, those are choices. And you made those for specific reasons. (Brad: Yeah.) And there's nothing wrong with the choice you made. But then you can actually have this like, red flag marker. So when you're on a date, and you see that red flag and you go, "Oh, here I am with the same pattern of dating this person who is doing this out of spite..." (Brad: Exactly. Yeah.) And one thing, put a stop sign up. But you get to say, "Hey, you know, you said something. I just would like to go back to that. And just kind of explore that a little bit. (Brad: Yeah) Could you mind like, like, just give me a little bit more from that." And if they like dig a hole that's just like, wow, that's red flag just became a frickin fire, run. (Lesley laughs) (Brad: Yeah) Run away.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I mean and it may be, I mean, there's, you know, in a yet last steps, so we were talking about or so in our last recap, we're talking about clients and firing a client. Same thing, I mean does, we're not necessarily talking about love relationships here. We're talking about relationships, right? So it could be you keep taking on clients that you, you know, I don't know, maybe, you know, we teachers, as a teacher, we all feel like we can help someone, but maybe we think we can help them emotionally in addition to physically and maybe that is like consistent issue. Because after a while you're fried, you're ready to move on to the next person, but now they're your client, you know, and it's possible that you've been doing this over and over again. You know, who knows? There's just a It's interesting to go back and take a look. And like what what Lauren said, look at the patterns that have shown up in your relationships and write them down. Why has every relationship ended? And what is that common thread?Lesley Logan  Well, I'll be really honest. Like we would not have dated had I not like looked at the red flags and like been playing that game. And like looking at how all of the people I dated before you ended, I was like, "Oh, wow, there's a common interesting theme." And so when you came on, like, I challenge you a couple of times, like, ... you relate to something I said, "That doesn't, I don't like that doesn't work for me." You know, and like, we had to talk about it. So like, it's not like, if you see it, you're like, "I have to run away right now." No, you can actually have a conversation around it, (Brad: Sure.) and then like, say things and it really does allow you to have an adult relationship where yes, there's vulnerability. But what ...Brad Crowell  I don't even think I asked you like things, you know, in that sense, I, I actually, I don't, I didn't have a plan when I was going through my divorce. But I did write things down. Because I couldn't keep it in my head anymore. I just couldn't juggle it all. Because it's so much as thinking about, you know, it's like replaying every conversation I ever had, ever. And, you know, you know how it is, it is right, and but what it allowed me to clarify, were the things that were important to me. And so when I went when we began to date, I literally had a list. I actually ...Lesley Logan  I had a list. I had a list. I deleted my list after you dumped me because I was so mad at you. Because okay, so he came over with beer, and I'm fucking gluten free.Brad Crowell  Oh, I did that.Lesley Logan  And he came over with beer. This is not the first time I told him I was gluten free. This is the third time I had to tell him I'm just gluten free. And he brings us beer like, "Hey, I brought this beer." I'm like, "I'm gluten free. I can't drink it." And he's like, "Oh, yeah, that's right." And then he proceeded to take two hours of telling me everything he liked about me, and then why we couldn't go on a date. And I had this list and you checked off everything on the list, but I literally had written out remembers I'm gluten and dairy free. And I was like, "Fuck this list. It's not fucking working. I he meant everything and he fucked this up and he fucked that up." And I deleted the list. And then 10 days later, you're like, "Hey, I'm at Trader Joe's. I know you're gluten and dairy free. So I got you some veggies and hummus." I'm like, "Are you fucking kidding me right now?"Brad Crowell  You know what? You know what I did. I actually went home and looked up. What is gluten free? Because I didn't know. You were like, "Yeah, I can't eat bread." I was like, "Oh. Well, okay, I guess she can't eat bread." So I didn't bring bread. But I actually looked it up. I was a dairy was pretty straightforward.Lesley Logan  Yeah. (Brad: But gluten that I didn't know.) and Yeah. But that's if I didn't know you had a list. I have, I have a list anyways, obviously it worked out for us. But it's because you both ... reflected on past relationships and how they ended. (Brad: That's pretty funny.) And hey, I'm so happy we're together. We're celebrating seven years this fall. (Brad: What? That's crazy.) Yeah. Anyways, I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell  I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan  Thank you so much for joining us today. First, I'm grateful you're here. I hope you enjoy these. You can always give us feedback on our podcast at beitpod.com/tellme and we want to know how you're going to use these tips in your life. Give us a tag, tag @laurenzoeller. Let us know and please share this with a friend who is having needs in their relationships that need to be met. (Brad: Yeah.) So we can help them out with Lauren's amazing tips and we'll catch you in the next episode.Brad Crowell  Bye for now.Lesley Logan  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day! 'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.Brad Crowell   It's written produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli. Lesley Logan  Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing. Brad Crowell  Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianranco Cioffi. Lesley Logan  Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can't see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all videos each week so you can. Brad Crowell  And to Angelina Herico for transcribing each of our episodes so you can find them on our website. 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Today we're joined by Michael J. Sullivan, M. D. Presley, and Daniel Potter to answer a series of listener questions. Enjoy! Support Wizards, Warriors, & Words on Patreon for bonus content: https://www.patreon.com/wizardswarriorswords Email us your questions: wizardswarriorswords@gmail.com For more about our hosts and our books: Dyrk Ashton: paternusbooks.com Michael R. Fletcher: michaelrfletcher.com Rob J. Hayes: robjhayes.co.uk Jed Herne: jedherne.com --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/wizardswarriorswords/support

Michael J. Sullivan is a New York Times, USA Today, and Washington Post bestselling writer of epic fantasy, who began writing his wildly popular Riyria series in order to help his daughter, Sarah, overcome dyslexia. Michael, his wife Robin, and their daughter Sarah join us to share their perspectives on dyslexia. Michael also shares his insight on creating characters with the kind of challenges SLPs know very well. 

In this episode: TV show has moved; rewatching X-Men movies & Tiger King on Netflix. Plus, How to keep God in your life; Theft of Swords by Michael J. Sullivan and a spoiler-free review of season 1 of Star Trek Picard. Enjoy listening! The post Tiger King, Picard Season 1 review, sacred space in Corona times appeared first on Father Roderick.

In this episode: TV show has moved; rewatching X-Men movies & Tiger King on Netflix. Plus, How to keep God in your life; Theft of Swords by Michael J. Sullivan and a spoiler-free review of season 1 of Star Trek Picard. Enjoy listening! The post Tiger King, Picard Season 1 review, sacred space in Corona times appeared first on Father Roderick.

In this episode we finally get to see Hadrian do some fighting even if it is only a friendly spar and our thieves are yet again asked to be heroes.

In this chapter, Royce, Hadrian and Alric find out why the monks didn't provide their legendary hospitality. Also, we learn some stuff about a wizard (exciting).

In this episode we give you an introduction to our podcast and go through the first 2 chapters of Theft of Swords by Michael J. Sullivan.

Michael J. Sullivan garnered critical raves and a massive readership for his Riyria Revelations series. The first book in his highly anticipated Riyria Chronicles series of prequels, The Crown Tower brings together warrior Hadrian Blackwater with thieving assassin Royce Melborn. The two form a less-than-friendly pairing, but the quest before them has a rare prize indeed, and if they can breach the supposedly impregnable walls of the Crown Tower, their names will be legend.

Michael J. Sullivan garnered critical raves and a massive readership for his Riyria Revelations series. The first book in his highly anticipated Riyria Chronicles series of prequels, The Crown Tower brings together warrior Hadrian Blackwater with thieving assassin Royce Melborn. The two form a less-than-friendly pairing, but the quest before them has a rare prize indeed, and if they can breach the supposedly impregnable walls of the Crown Tower, their names will be legend.

Best-selling author Michael J. Sullivan's mesmerizing Riyria Revelations series has found a welcome home with fans of magic, clashing swords, and daring heroes. This second volume finds Royce and Hadrian on a quest to enlist the southern Nationalists to aid the ever-weakening kingdom of Melengar. Royce suspects an ancient wizard is manipulating them all, but to find the truth he'll have to decipher Hadrian's past—a past Hadrian wants to keep secret.Rise of Empire contains Nyphron Rising and The Emerald Storm, books 3 and 4 of Riyria Revelations.

Best-selling author Michael J. Sullivan's mesmerizing Riyria Revelations series has found a welcome home with fans of magic, clashing swords, and daring heroes. This second volume finds Royce and Hadrian on a quest to enlist the southern Nationalists to aid the ever-weakening kingdom of Melengar. Royce suspects an ancient wizard is manipulating them all, but to find the truth he'll have to decipher Hadrian's past—a past Hadrian wants to keep secret.Rise of Empire contains Nyphron Rising and The Emerald Storm, books 3 and 4 of Riyria Revelations.

A rising star in the fantasy genre, Michael J. Sullivan has built an ardent following for his Riyria Revelations saga, which draws to its epic conclusion in Heir of Novron.On the holiday of Wintertide, the New Empire plans to burn the Witch of Melengar and force the Empress into a marriage of their own design. But they didn't account for Royce and Hadrian finally locating the Heir of Novron—or the pair's desire to wreak havoc on the New Empire's carefully crafted scheme.Heir of Novron contains Wintertide and Percepliquis, books 5 and 6 of Riyria Revelations.

A rising star in the fantasy genre, Michael J. Sullivan has built an ardent following for his Riyria Revelations saga, which draws to its epic conclusion in Heir of Novron.On the holiday of Wintertide, the New Empire plans to burn the Witch of Melengar and force the Empress into a marriage of their own design. But they didn't account for Royce and Hadrian finally locating the Heir of Novron—or the pair's desire to wreak havoc on the New Empire's carefully crafted scheme.Heir of Novron contains Wintertide and Percepliquis, books 5 and 6 of Riyria Revelations.

A rising star in the fantasy genre, Michael J. Sullivan has built an ardent following for his Riyria Revelations saga, which draws to its epic conclusion in Heir of Novron.On the holiday of Wintertide, the New Empire plans to burn the Witch of Melengar and force the Empress into a marriage of their own design. But they didn't account for Royce and Hadrian finally locating the Heir of Novron—or the pair's desire to wreak havoc on the New Empire's carefully crafted scheme.Heir of Novron contains Wintertide and Percepliquis, books 5 and 6 of Riyria Revelations.

Best-selling author Michael J. Sullivan's mesmerizing Riyria Revelations series has found a welcome home with fans of magic, clashing swords, and daring heroes. This second volume finds Royce and Hadrian on a quest to enlist the southern Nationalists to aid the ever-weakening kingdom of Melengar. Royce suspects an ancient wizard is manipulating them all, but to find the truth he'll have to decipher Hadrian's past—a past Hadrian wants to keep secret.Rise of Empire contains Nyphron Rising and The Emerald Storm, books 3 and 4 of Riyria Revelations.

Acclaimed author Michael J. Sullivan created instant best sellers with his spellbinding Riyria Revelations series. This first volume introduces Royce Melborn and Hadrian Blackwater, two enterprising thieves who end up running for their lives when they're framed for the death of the king. Trapped in a conspiracy bigger than they can imagine, their only hope is unraveling an ancient mystery - before it's too late.

Acclaimed author Michael J. Sullivan created instant best sellers with his spellbinding Riyria Revelations series. This first volume introduces Royce Melborn and Hadrian Blackwater, two enterprising thieves who end up running for their lives when they're framed for the death of the king. Trapped in a conspiracy bigger than they can imagine, their only hope is unraveling an ancient mystery - before it's too late.

Author Michael J Sullivan joins Terry and Paul to discuss fantasy, reader expectations, and the process of writing in the genre.