Faith Driven Entrepreneur

In this profound episode of the Faith Driven Entrepreneur podcast, host Justin Forman sits down with Raymond Harris, a distinguished architect, executive producer, and venture capitalist who founded one of the largest architectural firms specializing in corporate architecture. Raymond shares his remarkable journey from questioning whether he missed his calling to building an 8,000-project portfolio with Walmart while revolutionizing his understanding of wealth, stewardship, and Kingdom impact.From giving away his entire wedding gift with only $600 in the bank to developing the concept of "Kingdom currency," Raymond's story challenges conventional thinking about success, generosity, and the true purpose of business.Key Highlights:Raymond's journey from pre-med to architecture and his bold request to become a partner at age 27Building a firm that completed 8,000 projects for Walmart over 37 yearsThe transformative realization: "I was really created not to be an architect, but to be a steward of his kingdom. Architecture was just the economic engine to do that."Why practicing generosity early matters: "If you're not generous when you don't have anything, you're certainly not gonna be generous when you have a lot"The concept of "Kingdom currency" - converting earthly assets into eternal impactInnovative approaches to inheritance: giving to children when they need it most, not when they're in their 60sThe danger of achievement as an addiction and the importance of authentic brokennessWhy donor-advised funds can become "storage warehouses" if not deployed strategicallyQuotable Moments:"Did I miss the turn by not going into ministry? And I didn't want to. I wanted to be an architect... about 25 years after running a firm, the Lord said, no, you never missed the turn. You've always been on the right road. You've been trying to drive the car by looking in the mirror, look through the windshield.""Why does he entrust wealth to people? But he gave it to us. So that we could steward it into his kingdom to take care of those that can't take care of himself.""If we think that we can keep hold of earthly money and make more money on earth and then give away more money and that's really pleasing to God, I think he's more interested in us giving early so that he can compound what is really his money anyway.""I call it kingdom currency. What is kingdom currency? Kingdom currency in my thinking is wealth and assets on this earth that will transfer into the next kingdom, which is eternity."Watch the full episode on YouTube or continue to stream audio on your favorite podcast platform.

In this powerful episode recorded at SXSW, host Justin Forman sits down with Renji Bijoy, founder and CEO of Immersed, the most-used application in the AR/VR space. Renji shares his journey from PhD student to tech entrepreneur, his mission to build faith-driven technology that brings people together rather than isolates them, and why he believes believers should be at the forefront of building the next generation of computing platforms.Key Highlights:How separating identity from company outcomes leads to better decision-making and freedom from emotional choicesWhy Renji builds Immersed because he "hates remote work" - creating connection in a disconnected worldThe transition from software to hardware and launching Visor - a revolutionary AR headset that's 70% lighter than competitorsCompeting with tech giants like Apple, Google, and Meta while being guided by faithThe importance of believers influencing culture through technology rather than being mere consumersBalancing 80-hour work weeks with faithful stewardship and avoiding willfulnessHow Immersed is positioned to impact humanoid robotics through human pose estimation dataQuotable Moments:"If we do what I think the Lord calls us to do, which is to separate our identity from what our work is... actually it's a lot more freeing.""I'm building Immersed because I hate remote work... I think that there is a more God-glorifying version of that that makes us all feel very connected.""I believe that if you have a world that the most common devices that we use, built by believers, I think that's going to be a lot more of a optimistic, bright future."Watch the full episode on YouTube or continue to stream audio on your favorite podcast platform.

Recorded live at SXSW, this episode features Clint Phillips, the healthcare entrepreneur who broke a Guinness World Record and is now revolutionizing medicine with AI technology. Clint shares his journey from South African rugby player to treating billionaires in Aspen, and how his daughter's stroke led him to create solutions that could make healthcare "practically free" worldwide.Discover how Dr. Gabby, an AI doctor, can analyze your health through a 30-second facial scan and provide personalized medical advice 24/7. Learn why Americans take 22 times more drugs than the rest of the world and how technology could change everything.[Chapters]00:00 Introduction and SXSW01:32 Breaking the Guinness World Record for pushing a car05:11 Sports background and rugby foundation07:11 South African entrepreneurial mindset10:01 Meeting world-class entrepreneurs in Aspen10:29 First business venture and FBI investigation15:00 Building a dream clinic treating billionaires18:33 The healthcare crisis in America19:59 Personal tragedy: daughter's stroke21:21 Creating Second MD to connect patients with specialists23:57 Demonstrating the AI health scanning technology28:09 How the facial scan works and what it reveals30:00 Dr. Gabby: The world's smartest preventive AI doctor32:36 Global impact potential and African expansion34:09 Fighting the $5 trillion healthcare industry36:02 How AI could help doctors be doctors again39:01 Biggest challenges: lobby groups and regulation42:42 Mission work in Zambia: schools, clinics, and Miracle Dam46:13 How mission trips transformed his marriage50:54 App download and free access code

Key Topics DiscussedThe Current Challenges Facing Teens:60% of today's students will work in jobs that don't exist yetSocial media pressure and public identity formationCollege costs forcing earlier career decisionsRecord levels of anxiety and depression among young peopleThe Three-Part Framework:Identity Discovery - Using tools like Working Genius to help teens understand their God-given strengthsRedemptive Imagination - Exposing kids to diverse entrepreneurial stories and possibilitiesConversation Starters - Creating opportunities for meaningful dialogue about faith, work, and purposeAI and the Future of Work:How machine learning is automating predictable tasksWhy creativity, curiosity, and question-asking will be essential skillsThe shift from needing specific degrees to developing entrepreneurial mindsetsFeatured Stories and ExamplesLecrae's journey as both artist and business creatorPhil Vischer's VeggieTales story of failure and redemptionDude Perfect's entrepreneurial successPersonal stories of kids engaging with entrepreneurial contentPractical ApplicationsHow families can use the course for summer activitiesWays schools and churches can implement the curriculumThe importance of adults calling out gifts in young peopleCreating environments that foster entrepreneurial thinkingKey Quotes"Curiosity is a superpower""The only time you have to be good at everything is at this point in their life""Change starts with us and change starts at home"

In this special episode recorded at SXSW in Austin, Texas, hosts Justin Forman and Richard Cunningham sit down with Brent Beshore, founder and CEO of Permanent Equity, to discuss what it means to take a long-term, cathedral-like perspective in business and investing.Brent shares his transformation from an achievement-driven atheist to a faith-focused entrepreneur, highlighting how his approach to private equity challenges industry norms with long-term capital, zero debt, and transparent fee structures. Throughout the conversation, Brent reveals how vulnerability and authentic relationships have been crucial both in his personal faith journey and in building a successful investment firm.Key Highlights:Brent's journey from atheism to faith and how it transformed his perspective on business, family, and achievementThe dangers of "acceptable sin" that starts small but eventually leads to devastating consequencesWhy living in the light through authentic relationships is essential for both personal healing and business successHow Permanent Equity's unique model of 30-year capital and no debt creates true alignment with business ownersThe concept of "cathedral thinking" - building something that may take generations to completeThe importance of community and authentic relationships in combating isolation, especially for successful entrepreneursWhy achievement, control, and self-reliance can be more dangerous addictions than substances

In this episode of the Faith Driven Entrepreneur Podcast, host Justin Forman sits down with Steve Preston, CEO of Goodwill Industries, to discuss his remarkable journey from Wall Street executive to nonprofit leader. Unlike the typical path of chasing wealth and status, Steve shares how he made intentional decisions to prioritize purpose over prestige throughout his career.After starting at Lehman Brothers, Steve felt a tug that his faith was calling him toward a different path. He made a deal with God that he would "never make a decision for money, for prestige, or for power," which ultimately led him to leave banking on the cusp of making partner. His journey continued through corporate America, government service (including running the Small Business Administration during Hurricane Katrina recovery), and eventually to Goodwill, where he now leads one of America's most recognized nonprofit organizations.Key Highlights:Steve's countercultural decision to leave Wall Street's wealth and prestige to follow God's callingThe rich history of Goodwill beginning as a church-based ministry to help Boston's poorest residentsHow Goodwill provides holistic support to help people overcome barriers to employmentThe innovative prison education programs helping reduce recidivism rates to just 5%The power of corporate partnerships in scaling social impactHow writing a personal mission statement helped Steve identify his callingThe importance of seeing potential in people that they don't yet see in themselvesQuotable Moments:"I felt like God said, I've taken you thus far. Will you really go where I'm taking you? And worse, most of the people in my close-in circle said, you're crazy... And I had this moment where I thought to myself, I have been like every other American watching these horrific stories on television and wondering what I could do.""Our founder's story and our founder's vision 125 years later is still very much a part of who we are... It was all deeply based in the conviction that every human being has embedded potential.""I often say, when somebody comes through our door, we often see more in them than they see in themselves."

Mark McClain, founder and CEO of SailPoint Technologies, shares his non-traditional path to entrepreneurship after 10 years in corporate America. He discusses building a successful tech company with faith-based values, navigating multiple funding rounds (VC, PE, IPO, and back again), and balancing business ambition with family priorities.[Chapters]0:00 - Introduction2:10 - Mark on South by Southwest and Austin's tech scene6:08 - The evolution of faith in the workplace10:26 - Mark's journey from corporate career to entrepreneurship15:32 - Understanding SailPoint's identity management technology18:47 - AI as both threat and opportunity in cybersecurity20:34 - Navigating different funding methods as an entrepreneur24:15 - The value of community vs. coaching for entrepreneurs29:01 - The importance of staying connected to church community31:40 - Building a successful business without sacrificing family35:29 - Four S's of Christian leadership: Son, Sheep, Stock, and Stewardship39:02 - A biblical perspective on retirement and stewardship44:23 - Closing thoughts on community and faithIn this authentic conversation, Mark reveals:Why success rates increase for entrepreneurs who start after age 35The value of both peer community and expert coachingHow to stay connected to your faith while scaling a businessA biblical perspective on stewarding resources and opportunityPractical advice for staying present with family while building a company#FaithDrivenEntrepreneur #EntrepreneurialJourney #BusinessLeadership #FaithAndWork #ServantLeadership

Key MomentsTravis shares his recent experience meeting Jack Nicklaus and John Maxwell, highlighting Nicklaus's emphasis on family over golf achievementsThe powerful story of Travis's brain tumor in 2016, requiring him to relearn basic functionsHis wife Jacqueline's cancer diagnosis and the emotional journey of shaving her head during chemotherapyThe doctor telling Travis to "prepare as if she's gone" and taking his daughters to San Diego while contemplating single fatherhoodHow these health crises fundamentally changed his approach to business success and identityBusiness Insights49 Financial's three-pillar strategy: handling more complex issues, offering more services, and building more communityThe company's focus on young advisors (22-year-olds) in an industry where the average advisor is in their upper 50sHow 49 Financial is addressing the industry-wide 9% retention rate for new advisorsTravis's shift from "quantity over quality" to "quality over quantity" in building his businessHis vision for bridging the gap between aging advisors with trillions in assets and the next generationFaith PerspectiveHow facing mortality transformed Travis's relationship with God and clarity about prioritiesThe role of childlike faith in entrepreneurship versus the challenges of maintaining bold faith as a business maturesUsing their platform to help clients turn "tax dollars into giving dollars" through strategic charitable planningThe daily struggle of enjoying present moments while awaiting his wife's five-year cancer-free milestoneQuotable Moments"I think maybe a lot of entrepreneurs out there, it is so easy, even as believers, to make our business our identity. And it's such a sneak.""It puts you in a different place in your faith when each one of you experience the thought of losing the other one within a day.""If the business doesn't make it, it's okay. If the business does hit that growth goal, it's okay... I'm going home to my bride.""My heart and why 49, as long as I'm around, is going to be for the young person.""We're going to turn tax dollars into giving dollars."

Every entrepreneur dreams of the freedom that comes with success, yet Lloyd Reeb discovered a surprising paradox - the very prosperity he worked so hard to achieve was quietly eroding his freedom and purpose. Instead of letting money become his master, he made the counter-cultural choice to design a life where wealth serves his deeper values rather than dictating his choices. His journey reveals that true entrepreneurial freedom might look radically different than what we've been conditioned to pursue.  Lloyd shares the meaningful artifacts in his office that guide his decisions and keep him grounded in his purpose - from a crystal light bulb gift that reminds him of his unique contribution to a 300-year-old French Bible that represents God's unchanging wisdom to a wooden "Amazing Grace" plaque honoring William Wilberforce's 30-year commitment to ending the slave trade.Key Highlights:How carrying "long-term metrics" in his wallet for decades has helped Lloyd maintain focus on what truly mattersThe intentional decision to decouple wealth from lifestyle to break cycles of entitlementWhy complexity, comfort, and complacency are the three deadliest enemies to living a purpose-driven lifeApplying Charlie Munger's "inversion" approach to identify what would cause you to squander your lifeThe transformative practice of keeping a "Book of Days" to document God's work in and through your lifeWhy financial success creates freedom for mission rather than just lifestyle expansionPractical ways to declutter your life, reduce complexity, and create space for what matters mostQuotable Moments:"Build a successful business in the context of focusing on building a successful life.""It's an interesting question to ask: What level of lifestyle is in your family's best interest? That's different from how much can we afford.""What would I do if I wanted to squander the rest of my life? I would get my life complicated, comfortable, and let my heart become uncompassionate.""Money is a great servant, but a terrible master. We wanted to really demote money from mastery to servant."Watch the full episode on YouTube or continue to stream audio on your favorite podcast platform.

In this powerful episode of the Faith Driven Entrepreneur podcast, host Justin Forman sits down with Cheri Garcia, founder of Cornbread Hustle, a staffing agency that has placed nearly 3,000 people with criminal records into jobs over the past decade.Cheri shares her remarkable journey from selling drugs (including becoming her father's meth dealer as a teenager) to getting sober, founding a multi-million-dollar company, and helping thousands of formerly incarcerated individuals find meaningful employment and rebuild their lives.Key Highlights:Cheri's early entrepreneurial ventures and her descent into drug addiction and dealingHow hitting rock bottom (living out of her car, multiple arrests) led to her eventual path to sobrietyThe unexpected pivot during COVID that transformed her business from struggling to multi-million dollar successWhy achievement and control can be more dangerous addictions than drugs or alcoholThe transformative impact of employment stability on former inmates' livesPractical insights for employers considering second-chance hiringHow Cheri's painful experiences equipped her to connect authentically with others in their brokennessQuotable Moments:"I was pouring into other people while filling myself back up with alcohol... I was broken.""Control is worse than drugs or alcohol because the triggers are more. The triggers are anything from needing to pee while you're in the middle of talking to somebody at a networking event... It's all day, every day.""One in four adults have a criminal record. That's over 70 million people... and only 5% of HR managers say they actively choose people with criminal records as part of their talent pool."Watch the full episode on YouTube or continue to stream audio on your favorite podcast platform.

In this episode of the Faith Driven Entrepreneur podcast, host Justin Forman interviews social media expert Nils Smith about why entrepreneurs often resist social media and how artificial intelligence is revolutionizing content creation and engagement strategies.Nils shares his journey from youth pastor using AOL Instant Messenger to reach teens, to pioneering online church, to becoming a social media consultant for high-profile ministries.Learn why entrepreneurs struggle with social media, how to balance authentic humility with strategic promotion, and which platforms are most effective for different business types.This conversation explores how AI is transforming the social media landscape - making it more accessible and efficient for entrepreneurs who previously avoided these platforms. Discover how tools like ChatGPT can serve as personalized marketing consultants and content creators for your business without compromising your values.[Chapters]00:00 Introduction and plants in video backgrounds01:25 Why entrepreneurs hate social media04:52 Authenticity vs. polished content09:26 Nils' journey into social media19:28 The importance of audience targeting24:00 First 20 seconds rule in content35:55 Best platforms for different businesses42:19 How AI is revolutionizing social media strategy47:03 A Christian approach to technology and AI

In this DEBUT VIDEO EPISODE of the Faith Driven Entrepreneur podcast, host Justin Forman interviews Jack Hooper, founder and CEO of Take Command Health. Jack shares his extraordinary journey from tracking terrorist financing for the CIA to revolutionizing health insurance after a personal healthcare crisis when his wife unexpectedly became pregnant with twins during business school.Jack reveals how his mission to create transparency in healthcare costs led to building a company that empowers both employers and employees with a new model of health insurance. The conversation explores the broken incentive structures in traditional health insurance, leadership challenges in a secular workplace, and wrestling with the tension between business success and kingdom values.This episode unpacks how faith guides entrepreneurial decisions, setting personal financial boundaries as a founder, and recognizing the seasons of leadership. A powerful conversation on building redemptive business models that truly put people first.[Chapters]00:00 Introduction02:07 Jack's CIA background and counterterrorism work07:55 Unexpected life change and the path to healthcare15:50 The broken insurance system and Take Command's solution24:19 Mission-driven approach to business31:50 Wrestling with founder identity and financial boundaries40:15 Seasons of leadership and letting go► SUBSCRIBE for more Faith Driven Entrepreneur content: [Link Channel URL]► Visit https://faithdrivenentrepreneur.org for resources, community, and more#FaithDrivenEntrepreneur #JackHooper

In this episode of the Faith Driven Entrepreneur podcast, Justin Forman sits down with Dave Blanchard to explore the evolution of faith-driven entrepreneurship and its growing influence in both the church and broader culture.Key Discussion Points:The origin story of Praxis and how the name came to be through prayer and divine inspirationThe transformation of entrepreneurship from a "starving artist" narrative to a celebrated career pathThe role of programs like Y Combinator, Techstars, and shows like Shark Tank in normalizing entrepreneurshipHow childhood experiences and early business ventures shaped Blanchard's perspective on ethical entrepreneurshipThe impact of Chris Crane and Opportunity International in revealing the redemptive possibilities of entrepreneurshipThe challenge of moving beyond "God cares about your work" to practical implementation in various industriesThe need for churches to become creative centers and reimagine their approach to supporting entrepreneursThe importance of telling authentic stories that include both triumph and struggleDiscussion of the "unnamed villains" and real challenges facing Christian entrepreneursThe future of faith-driven entrepreneurship and the need for local heroes and mentors

Show Notes:In this episode of the Faith Driven Entrepreneur podcast, Justin Forman sits down with Lloyd Reeb, a long-time leader of the Halftime Institute and co-author of "From Success to Significance." With over two decades of experience helping marketplace leaders find their purpose, Lloyd shares profound insights on building a life of multiplicative kingdom impact.Lloyd has generously made his book, The Social Entrepreneur: Seasoned Advice to Multiply Your Impact  100x available for free here. Key Topics Covered:- The evolution of the Halftime message over 30 years and its continued relevance today- How to infuse greater meaning and purpose into existing business success- The power of creating "freedom" to explore God's unique calling- Lloyd's framework for achieving "100X impact" through focus, leverage, and persistence- The launch and vision of Ardent Mentoring: connecting 500 world-class mentors with Christian social entrepreneurs- Why some leaders struggle to pause and examine their lives during seasons of success- The four essential types of leverage: platform, people, process, and the power of the SpiritNotable Quotes:"Focus plus leverage, plus persistence equals 100x compounding return on life." - Lloyd Reeb"I'm going to have to have some freedom in order to decide what my core calling is.""You don't have to sell your company to go make a meaningful impact in the world."Practical Takeaways:- How to evaluate whether you're trading "priceless things for merely valuable things"- The importance of listening to the Spirit's guidance in mentoring and coaching others- Practical steps for decluttering life and focusing on high-impact activities- Understanding the difference between coaching, mentoring, and discipling- Ways to overcome the three main barriers to impact: complexity, comfort, and complacency- The power of keeping a "Book of Days" to record God's faithfulness and directionSpecial Focus: Ardent Mentoring InitiativeLloyd shares his latest venture connecting experienced Christian leaders with the next generation of kingdom-minded entrepreneurs, aiming to provide targeted expertise and mentoring to accelerate kingdom impact.This episode offers invaluable wisdom for entrepreneurs seeking to build lives and businesses of lasting significance. Lloyd's decades of experience helping leaders navigate their halftime journey provides practical insights for those looking to achieve meaningful, multiplicative returns in both business and ministry. His emphasis on long-term investment in eternal returns rather than short-term gains offers a compelling framework for faith-driven entrepreneurs.Resources Mentioned:- "From Success to Significance" by Lloyd Reeb- Halftime Institute- Ardent Mentoring- "The Social Entrepreneur" (co-authored with Chris Crane)

In this engaging conversation, Justin Forman and Nona Jones explore the intersection of faith and entrepreneurship. Nona shares her remarkable journey from a challenging childhood to becoming a leader in corporate America and now in ministry. They discuss the importance of recognizing God's guidance in our lives, the balance between faith and fear, and the distinction between being called and driven. Nona emphasizes the need to overcome comparison and celebrate others' successes while also reframing rejection as a gift that can lead to growth and purpose. In this conversation, Nona Jones discusses the transformative power of rejection, emphasizing that it can serve as a gift that positions individuals for their true purpose. She shares personal experiences of how rejection has redirected her life towards ministry and leadership, particularly in empowering women. The dialogue also explores the importance of emotional and spiritual well-being in entrepreneurship, highlighting the need for a framework that addresses both internal healing and external success. Nona concludes with a reflection on the significance of gratitude in overcoming anxiety and trusting in God's faithfulness.

In this episode of the Faith Driven Entrepreneur podcast, hosts Justin Forman and William Norvell discuss the entrepreneurial journeys of William and guest Tom Patterson, founder of Tommy John. They explore themes of faith, resilience, and the importance of community support in navigating the challenges of entrepreneurship. Tom shares his unique story of starting his business during a recession, the lessons learned from early failures, and the role of faith in sustaining him through difficult times. The conversation highlights the significance of taking risks, being patient yet urgent, and the unexpected paths that entrepreneurship can take. In this conversation, Tom Patterson shares his journey of faith-driven entrepreneurship, emphasizing the importance of prayer, resilience, and partnership in business. He reflects on the challenges faced while building Tommy John, the underwear brand, and how faith has played a crucial role in navigating those challenges. Tom discusses the significance of working alongside his wife and the alignment of their values in both their personal and professional lives. The conversation highlights the integration of faith and business, the lessons learned through adversity, and the importance of intentionality in pursuing one's purpose. 

In this episode of the Faith Driven Entrepreneur Podcast, Justin Forman and Lara Casey Isaacson discuss the launch of Faith-Driven Students, an initiative aimed at empowering the next generation of entrepreneurs through faith. They explore Laura's entrepreneurial journey, the importance of pruning in business, and the significance of storytelling and imagination in shaping young minds. The conversation emphasizes the need for a supportive community and the role of parents in guiding their children towards their calling. They also highlight the changing landscape of entrepreneurship and the trust placed in business leaders by the younger generation.Faith-driven entrepreneurship is about aligning business with God's purpose.Pruning is essential for growth in both business and personal life.Building a supportive team is crucial for new initiatives.Empowering students to discover their gifts is a key focus.Imagination plays a vital role in learning and growth.Storytelling can inspire and change lives.Parents have a significant role in guiding their children's faith journey.The younger generation is increasingly interested in entrepreneurship.Trust in entrepreneurs is higher than in politicians or churches.Planting seeds of faith can lead to significant impact over time 

In this episode of the Faith Driven Entrepreneur podcast, hosts Justin Forman and Dan Owolabi are joined by Chip Ingram to discuss the transformative intersection of pastoral ministry and entrepreneurship. Coming off their experiences at the recent Lausanne Conference in Seoul, they explore how the church landscape is changing and the unique opportunity this presents for deeper collaboration between pastors and entrepreneurs.Key Topics Covered:The shift in church dynamics post-COVID and the need for new modelsWhy traditional metrics of church success need to be reconsideredRecent Barna research showing 91% of entrepreneurs feel purposeful in their workThe importance of long-term commitment in ministry and businessHow pastors can better engage and empower entrepreneurs in their congregationsPractical steps for entrepreneurs to build bridges with their pastorsDiscussion of the upcoming Pastors & Entrepreneurs Conference (February 20th)

This episode delves into the critical issue of online sexual exploitation and human trafficking, exploring innovative approaches to combat these pervasive problems. Dr. Lisa Strohman, a clinical psychologist with FBI experience, and Wes Lyons, a venture capitalist, offer their expertise and insights into this complex challenge.The discussion begins with Dr. Strohman shedding light on the alarming tactics used by the pornography industry to target children through seemingly innocuous platforms like educational apps and online games. She emphasizes the urgent need for better education and awareness to protect young minds from early exposure and potential addiction.Wes Lyons then introduces a unique perspective on fighting human trafficking by treating it as an economic problem. He explains how his fund, Eagle Venture Fund, invests in technologies designed to disrupt the business model of trafficking networks. The conversation explores various innovative solutions, from AI-powered tools that detect suspicious activities to platforms that help businesses avoid inadvertently supporting trafficking operations.The episode also addresses emerging challenges posed by artificial intelligence and deepfakes, highlighting real-world cases that demonstrate the evolving nature of online exploitation. Throughout the discussion, both guests stress the importance of collaboration between technology developers, businesses, and advocacy groups in creating effective solutions.Despite the gravity of the subject matter, the conversation concludes on a note of cautious optimism. Our guests share encouraging developments in the fight against exploitation, including the power of educating youth and the potential for technology and business strategies to make a significant impact.This episode offers listeners a comprehensive look at the intersection of technology, business, and social responsibility in addressing one of the most pressing issues of our time. It challenges us to consider how we can all play a part in protecting the vulnerable and creating a safer digital world.

In this episode of the Faith Driven Entrepreneur podcast, hosts Henry Kaestner and Justin Forman reflect on the recent Faith Driven Entrepreneur conference and introduce a powerful message from Derwin Gray, former NFL player and pastor.Key points:Gray compares spiritual warfare to animal hunting tactics, warning entrepreneurs about the devil's strategies to isolate and weaken them.He outlines three common temptations entrepreneurs face: performance ("I am what I do"), possession ("I am what I have"), and popularity ("I am what others think").Gray emphasizes the importance of adopting a wartime mindset and utilizing the armor of God as described in Ephesians 6.The hosts discuss the relevance of Gray's message to entrepreneurial challenges and the importance of recognizing spiritual battles in business.An upcoming prayer series based on Gray's teachings is announced, designed to equip entrepreneurs with spiritual tools for success.Discussion Questions: How have you experienced the three temptations (performance, possession, popularity) in your entrepreneurial journey? Which one challenges you the most?In what ways can adopting a "wartime mindset" change how you approach challenges in your business?Derwin Gray emphasizes the importance of putting on the "armor of God." How can you practically incorporate this spiritual discipline into your daily routine as an entrepreneur?How can recognizing spiritual warfare in business help you make better decisions and maintain a stronger faith?What steps can you take to build a support network of fellow entrepreneurs to combat isolation and strengthen your spiritual defenses?

"We're not just creating a job. We're creating a way that people have security and sustainability for them and for their family." - Keren Pybus Job creation and upskilling have a significant impact on individuals, families, and communities, providing stability, security, and opportunities for growth.Donor agencies have shifted their focus from pure aid to trade facilitation and capacity building, creating more opportunities for job creation.Collaboration and partnership among competitors and different stakeholders are essential in addressing global challenges and creating sustainable solutions.Investors and entrepreneurs can make a positive impact by aligning their passion and skills, seeking God's wisdom, and connecting with like-minded individuals and organizations.Having faith-driven investors on board can provide support, encouragement, and prayer during the entrepreneurial journey.00:00 Introduction and Purpose of the Joint Release04:03 Introducing Solving the World's Greatest Problems05:09 Guest Introductions and Backgrounds07:00 The Importance of Job Creation and Upskilling16:25 Changing Perspectives and Collaborative Approaches23:36 Impact Stories: Transformation through Job Creation and Upskilling28:40 Advice for Investors and Entrepreneurs35:59 The Power of Faith-Driven Investors38:00 Conclusion

Join us for an inspiring discussion with Mark Batterson, Bill Job, and Justin Forman as they unpack the concept of "holy curiosity" in entrepreneurship. This episode takes listeners on a journey from the coffeehouse-turned-church in Washington D.C. to the factory floors of China, revealing how faith can drive innovation and risk-taking in business. Batterson introduces his new book on rediscovering everyday miracles, while Job shares powerful anecdotes about finding joy and purpose in unexpected places. Together, they challenge the notion of "safe" Christianity and encourage entrepreneurs to embrace the adventure of faith-driven business. This conversation is a must-listen for anyone seeking to integrate their spiritual life with their entrepreneurial pursuits.Notable Quotes:"Faith is spelled R-I-S-K." - Mark Batterson"Never lose a holy curiosity." - Mark Batterson (quoting Albert Einstein)"Joy isn't getting what you want. It's appreciating what you have." - Mark Batterson"We aren't content with good ideas. We want God ideas." - Mark Batterson

In this episode of the Faith Driven Entrepreneur podcast, hosts Henry and Justin discuss the recent conference and share a thought-provoking message from David Platt. Key topics include: The idea that entrepreneurs are positioned "for such a time as this"How current technological and economic trends create unprecedented opportunitiesDavid Platt's perspective on the unique role of entrepreneurs in today's worldThe importance of seeking God's guidance in business decisionsBalancing professional success with spiritual growth and purposeThe potential for long-term impact beyond an entrepreneur's lifetimeListeners will be inspired to view their entrepreneurial journey through a lens of divine timing and purpose, encouraging them to make the most of their unique skills and opportunities."God has sovereignly ordained your life and this time to play a unique part in the accomplishment of His purpose. Entrepreneur, God has not saved you to sideline you on this mission."

In this episode of the Faith Driven Investor Podcast, join Justin Forman as he honors the life and legacy of Richard Garnett, a faith-driven entrepreneur and actor who recently passed away after a courageous decade-long battle with cancer.This poignant episode features a powerful teaching from Richard himself, focusing on investing in what truly matters. As we reflect on Richard's recent passing, his message takes on new depth and urgency. Tune in for an inspiring exploration of intentional living, generosity, and the art of cherishing each moment.

Join Grammy-nominated artist Lecrae Moore, along with Faith Driven Movement co-founders Justin Forman and Henry Kaestner, as they delve into the challenging yet crucial topic of handling criticism. In this insightful episode, our guests share:Lecrae's personal experiences with criticism in the music industryBiblical perspectives on receiving and processing feedbackStrategies for distinguishing between constructive criticism and unproductive negativityThe importance of knowing your true audience and purposeHow to use criticism as a tool for growth and refining your entrepreneurial visionWhether you're a seasoned business leader or just starting your entrepreneurial journey, this conversation offers valuable wisdom on turning criticism into a catalyst for personal and professional development. Tune in to learn how faith can guide you through the challenges of leadership and innovation.

“We have power and we have to discern how we use that power with like-minded Christians.”—Bill WichtermanClose to half of the people in the world have had little or no exposure to the Gospel. 9.2% of the world's population lives in extreme poverty, defined as surviving on less than $2.15 per day.More than 150 million children work in dangerous or exploitative conditions, and 40 million people are enslaved, which is more than at any other time in history. 800 million people suffer from hunger. And 1 in 10 people on the planet lack access to clean water. These are just some of the problems plaguing our world today.What can we as faithful followers of Christ do?Let's be clear—without God, we could do nothing. But he continues to reveal a way forward for us. And his Church is winning. Join us for our premiere episode as we introduce you to a growing movement of Christians building, investing, and giving to solve the world's greatest problems.

In this episode, Joey, Justin, and Henry discuss the new initiative called Solving the World's Greatest Problems. They address the skepticism around the audacious goal and emphasize the importance of being empowered by the Holy Spirit. They also highlight the role of community in solving these problems and the need for collaboration and support. The initiative aims to provide clear next steps for individuals to build, invest, and give towards solving these problems. The podcast episodes focus on storytelling and creating a call to action for listeners.

In this episode of the Faith Driven Entrepreneur Podcast, Henry and Justin discuss a merger between Halftime and Faith Driven Movements alongside Halftime co-CEOs Jim Stollberg and Tom McGhee. The four highlight the power of partnerships and the importance of getting clear on one's unique calling. They also explore the roots of Halftime as a book and an organization where individuals reassess their lives and seek to live a life of significance. The merger aims to serve more people and help them discover their purpose and make a greater impact in the world.For more information on the merger visit https://faithdrivenmovements.org/halftime/ 

The conversation explores the themes of surrender and significance in the context of being a faith-driven entrepreneur. The hosts discuss the importance of surrendering personal ambition and aligning one's vocation with God's purpose. They also emphasize the need for community and the dangers of pursuing worldly definitions of success. The conversation also touches on the upcoming Faith Driven Entrepreneur Conference and the hope that attendees will walk away with a deeper understanding of the true significance found in surrendering to God's plan.Find more at https://faithdrivenentrepreneurconference.org/ 

In this episode, Jordan Raynor discusses his book 'Redeeming Your Time' and how entrepreneurs can uniquely struggle to manage their time. He emphasizes the importance of discerning the essential from the noise and finding peace in Christ before seeking productivity. Jordan also explores the concept of grace-based productivity and how Jesus can serve as a model for time management and shares some of the 32 practices from his book,Find the book here: https://www.amazon.com/Redeeming-Your-Time-Principles-Purposeful/dp/0593193075

In this masterclass-style episode of the Faith Driven Entrepreneur Podcast, we highlight three unique ways that community can shape the lives of entrepreneurs.Dude Perfect's Coby Cotton gives insight into how his tight-knit community of college friends has had to learn how to live as co-founders and leaders of one of the largest entertainment brands in the country.Mickey Peters shares how his lack of community nearly brought him to complete ruin and how finding community has helped him recover.And Scott Weiss talks about why the OCEAN Accelerator programs have always  emphasized the need for community amongst the entrepreneurs they serve.If you'd like to hear more about the Faith Driven Entrepreneur community groups, go to faithdrivenentrepreneur.org/groups.Coby Cotton's Full Episode: https://www.faithdrivenentrepreneur.org/podcast-inventory/episode-176-dude-perfect-the-worlds-most-trusted-source-of-entertainment-with-coby-cottonMickey Peter's Full Episode: https://www.faithdrivenentrepreneur.org/podcast-inventory/episode-208-death-of-a-lone-wolf-with-mickey-petersScott Weiss Full Episode: https://www.faithdrivenentrepreneur.org/blog/2019/5/21/combating-loneliness-with-community-scott-weiss-ocean-accelerator 

Ricky Dickson, the retired CEO of Blue Bell Ice Cream, joins the Faith Driven Entrepreneur podcast to discuss his experience leading and scaling a national company through growth and incredible pitfalls. Using his new book, One Scoop at a Time, as a backdrop, Ricky shares how his 40+ year career at Blue Bell started right after college. He gives an overview of the ice cream market and how Blue Bell positioned itself as a high-quality, middle-ground option and talks about the importance of constant innovation and listening to customer feedback. He also discusses the challenges Blue Bell faced during the Listeria outbreak and how the company focused on safety and rebuilding trust. He emphasizes the value of consistency and staying true to the company's culture and values and shares how his faith has helped him find peace in the midst of challenges by relying on God and His guidance.Find more about Ricky in his new book: https://www.amazon.com/One-Scoop-Time-Stories-Lessons/

In this episode of the Faith Driven Entrepreneur Podcast, Dr. Bryan Loritts joins Joey Honescko and William Norvell to discuss the importance of deep, long-lasting friendships in the context of entrepreneurship. Pulling from his new book, Enduring Friendships: Sticking Together in an Age of Unfriending, Dr. Loritts emphasizes the need for what he calls “soul friends.” These are the people whom we can bear our souls with and who can provide guidance and support in our journeys. He also highlights the challenges that entrepreneurs face in maintaining lasting friendships, such as being productivity-driven and lacking time for people. He provides practical advice on finding and nurturing these enduring friendships, including putting oneself in the right environments and being intentional about prioritizing relationships. For more from Dr. Loritts, check out his new book: https://www.amazon.com/Enduring-Friendship-Sticking-Together-Unfriending/dp/1514008440

It's our 300th episode!In this conversation Joey Honescko, Henry Kaestner, and Justin Forman celebrate the growth and evolution of the podcast and the entire Faith Driven Movement. They reflect on all that God has done over the past five years and dive deep into the importance of community for faith-driven entrepreneurs.The three wrestle with the challenges of finding reliable sources of community and reflect on their own entrepreneurial journeys and examine how God has used other entrepreneurs to form and shape them into the leaders He is calling them to be. They also share stories from entrepreneurs around the world who have seen the power of locking arms with other entrepreneurs. Learn more about groups here: https://www.faithdrivenentrepreneur.org/groups

One of the hardest realities in the life of every Faith Driven Entrepreneur is that things often don't go as planned. Unforeseen circumstances can cause all sorts of issues in a company, and sometimes those circumstances affect the people we employ. In this episode, we're going to look at layoffs. How can we think well about these difficult situations? And how can we love our people, even in the midst of these unfortunate, massive changes?  We'll highlight three perspectives starting with Vic Ho and Rusty Rueff, two leaders who have had to implement layoffs in their own careers. The third perspective comes from a round table discussion that William, Henry, and Rusty had with Daniel Fong, the CEO and founder, who made a choice not to lay off anybody in his company.  As we'll see in all these conversations, there's not a clear cut answer to these complex questions. Not everyone agrees and that's okay. We just want to present different viewpoints and encourage you to consult the Lord about how he might be calling you to run your business differently.  Lean in, get inspired, get challenged, and consider how you might have these kinds of conversations with other people in community who can push you closer to where the Lord is leading you.

Why would a founder decide to never fire anyone?Dylan Wilk, CEO of Human Nature, joins the Faith Driven Entrepreneur podcast to share the story behind the company's no firing policy and to explain why he believes grace and forgiveness are the greatest HR policies. He recounts a situation where an employee stole from the company and instead of firing him, Dylan chose to forgive and help him change. This experience led Dylan to establish a written no firing policy and build an ecosystem of support within the company that is rooted in the belief that God does not give up on us. Dylan emphasizes the importance of seeing the full person at work, understanding their struggles, and providing opportunities for growth and redemption.Learn more about Dylan's story in this short documentary.

Imagine you've reached every expected height of success before you turned 25 and then God tells you to leave it behind. How would you respond?Dylan Wilk experienced incredible entrepreneurial highs at a young age. He flew to work in a helicopter, traveled by private jet, and kept Ferraris and Porches in his garage.And then, one day, a tragedy caused him to take a long look at his life. God called him to walk away from the business that had given him worldly success so that he could experience true grace, freedom, and love. His life was changed by a trip and eventual move to the Philippines where God has called him to extend the same grace, freedom, and love he has received to every employee, customer, and individual he encounters through his new business: Human Nature.Hear the story of radical transformation that took Dylan from Greed to Grace in this episode of the Faith Driven Entrepreneur Podcast: Stories of the Movement.

Entrepreneurs have the ability to create a workplace where people can flourish, but we have to act on that ability in order to make that happen. So in this masterclass-style episode, we're going to dive in a little deeper on this topic. The episode is organized in three parts, heart, head, and hands.Author Andy Crouch will kick us off by talking about the responsibility and opportunity entrepreneurs have to create good work and good rest for their employees. This section is all about heart change. Then, Patrick Lencioni is going to talk to our heads a little bit as he unpacks a practical tool called "the Working Genius" that enables us to know our employee's strengths so we can put them in positions to succeed. Lastly, we're going to dig into the details. As we hear from Mary Miller, an entrepreneur and the chairwoman of the board at John cower, a leading janitorial service company based in Cincinnati. Mary gives practical examples for how they drastically overhauled their company culture  to improve employee retention and satisfaction.Additional Links:Andy Crouch on Creating Good Work and Good RestPatrick Lencioni's Working Genius Video StudyPatrick Lencioni Working Genius Podcast EpisodeMary Miller Podcast EpisodeJancoa DocumentaryLynsi Snyder Podcast Episode

Jared Orton is the President of the Savannah Bananas, a baseball team unlike any you've seen before. They create an entertainment experience that's part dance performance, part trick plays, and part competitive baseball. Jared has experienced all the ups and downs that come from innovating in a space with a legacy. Since the organization's founding in 2016, he and the team have had their share of doubters. But they've faithfully stayed true to their mission: to create something fun and joyful for every attendee. Over the years, they've grown from a small, regional team that struggled to sell tickets to a nationwide phenomenon playing in front of sold out crowds in major league stadiums across the country. He joins the Faith Driven Entrepreneur Podcast to talk about the value of innovation, fun, and excitement for businesses and for the world.

Culture can be a bit of a buzzword.What does it really mean for a company to have values and an identity?And how can leaders of those companies make sure those values don't just become another page on the website or words on a wall in the office?In this episode of Stories of the Movement, we'll hear about Booster, one of the largest school fundraising companies in the country.They've built a culture unlike any other in their team of nearly 1,000 employees. And Chris Carneal, the founder and CEO of the company, saw firsthand how essential Booster's “virtues” became when they faced an unexpected and intense setback. Check out their story in this episode of Faith Driven Entrepreneur: Stories of the Movement. For more information about Faith Driven Entrepreneur and to sign up for our groups, check out our website at faithdrivenentrepreneur.org

In this episode, Joey Honescko, Henry Kaestner, and Justin Forman discuss the themes of battling idolatry and identity in entrepreneurship. They emphasize the importance of seeking the Holy Spirit and aligning one's identity with Christ, share personal experiences of wrestling with idolatry and the need for approval, and highlight the significance of meditating on God's Word, seeking counsel, and being aware of one's tendencies towards willfulness or waiting on God. Join in on this riff session by sending your thoughts to podcast@faithdrivenentrepreneur.org

The best way to fight against idolatry is to seek the voice of God.  So, what does that actually look like? In this episode, we're going to hear three perspectives from three incredible leaders around the world.  We'll head first to the UK to hear from priest and author, Nicky Gumbel for a chat he had with Henry about a framework he has for hearing the voice of God. Then, we'll make our way to the U S for another conversation with Kim Avery, business coach, and author of the prayer powered entrepreneur. And lastly, we'll stop in Taiwan to hear how pro basketball player, entrepreneur, and investor, Jeremy Lin keeps prayer at the center of his routine.

What do you get when you mix a trained physicist, a seminary grad, an entrepreneur, and a Silicon valley venture capitalist?  In the case of this episode, you get an awesome guest who somehow checks all  those boxes.   Phil Chen is the CEO of cold electric and the owner of the new Taipei Kings, a basketball team,  in the recently founded Taiwanese pro league. It also happens to be where past podcast, guests and faith driven entrepreneur, Jeremy Lin plays. Phil's career is wide reaching and impressive. But what's even more valuable is the way he has allowed his theology to shape how he leads and all these various places.   While we're going to premiere a feature video that tells Phil's story at this year's faith-driven entrepreneur conference. Today, he joins us to tell us a bit about his journey and share how rooting ourselves in scripture can help affirm our identities in Christ and empower us to pursue all that he calls us to.

Imagine you're a young entrepreneur with a lot of promise. You've got grit. You've got vision. You've even read zero to one. And recently you acquired some substantial wealth.  But there's still one problem.  You and your partner have had some pretty strong disagreements and it's time to part ways. For the most part, you've done all the hard work. You've carried this partner on your back at different points. So when it comes time to split the assets, The choice seems obvious: you keep the better half; they keep the lesser. But instead you offer a surprising alternative.  You let them make the choice. You lay down your preferences for the sake of someone else.  If this sounds insane and impractical, just wait until you hear the rest of this episode. Hear how the biblical story of Abraham and Lot inspired Sam Rhee to step aside from the role of his dreams for the sake of a colleague and how God used that sacrifice to pave a path for victory.Find the whole video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6A2LFYdC3cListen to an interview with Sam: https://www.faithdrivenentrepreneur.org/podcast-inventory/episode-252-laying-down-a-promotion-for-the-sake-of-another-with-sam-rhee 

In this edition of the “riff,” Patrick Lencioni joins Henry Kaestner for a short conversation about some of the hidden idols of entrepreneurship.Then, Joey, Justin, and Henry dive further in, examining how we easily turn good things into gods. Justin and Henry share how they have learned to fight against the temptation of “safe” idols by practicing disciplines of confession, community, and prayer. Want to join in on the riff? Send your thoughts to podcast@faithdrivenentrepreneur.org or comment on our LinkedIn. We'd love to hear from you.

“For every church we plant, we need to start a business.” - Mark BattersonCan Faith Driven Entrepreneurs really partner with their churches? What would that partnership even look like?In last week's episode, we talked about the need for partnerships between entrepreneurs and pastors. In this episode, we highlight the voices of three pastors–Mark Batterson, Chip Ingram, and John Mark Comer–who have seen the power of working alongside entrepreneurs for the good of their communities.We believe the church and entrepreneurs can do more together because they're better together. Hear how these pastors are partnering with entrepreneurs.Last Week's Episode: https://www.faithdrivenentrepreneur.org/podcast-inventory/episode-287-whats-stopping-entrepreneurs-from-partnering-with-the-church-with-barna-groups-david-kinnamanChip Ingram Full Episode: https://www.faithdrivenentrepreneur.org/podcast-inventory/episode-167-what-it-takes-to-change-with-chip-ingramJohn Mark Comer Full Episode: https://www.faithdrivenentrepreneur.org/podcast-inventory/episode-179-the-ruthless-elimination-of-hurry-with-john-mark-comer 

Entrepreneur: what is your relationship like with your church?(We really want to know!)Church leaders and entrepreneurs have the potential to be radical partners who influence and impact communities for the glory of God together.But often, we find a strange divide between these two groups that interferes with the good work they could be doing together.That's why in this week's podcast episode Justin Forman and Barna Group's David Kinnaman will be talking about ways the church can become better partners. They'll also talk about an exciting research project underway between these two organizations.This is part of a new segment we call the “riff” where we invite listeners into the ideas and conversations we're having, so please leave your thoughts in the comments or send them to podcast@faithdrivenentrepreneur.org.

Everyone has different end goals for what they'd call ultimate success, but most of us are chasing after something.For many entrepreneurs, “going public” stands as the ultimate sign that you've truly “made it.” And if that's the case, then today's guest, Renji Bijoy, is on the verge of making it.But that's not what keeps him going.Renji is the CEO and Founder of Immersed, the company behind the world's most used AR/VR app on the planet. In an industry full of potential dangers where Christians are quick to back away, Renji and his team have decided to lean in.In this conversation, Renji's talks with Joey Honescko and Henry Kaestner about what it's like to lead and innovate in a new, emerging industry. He and Henry will also share how their faith has kept them grounded in the highs and lows that come with worldly success.Listen to Renji's first episode: https://www.faithdrivenentrepreneur.org/podcast-inventory/episode-161-the-immersed-story-with-renji-bijoyLearn more about Immersed:https://immersed.com/

Dr. Emerson Eggerichs and special guest host Mike Sharrow join the show to take a candid look at how entrepreneurs can overcome the challenges they face in their personal and professional relationships.Dr. Eggerichs is a renowned counselor and author, as well as the founder of Love and Respect, a ministry that grew from the success of his best-selling marriage book of the same name and has expanded to include teachings and resources on business, leadership, and communication in addition to marriage and family concerns.In this conversation, he breaks down practical insights for bringing love and respect to all relationships.We can motivate and influence others by meeting their deepest core needs with love and respect.It is important to apologize and seek forgiveness when we come across as unloving or disrespectful.Trust and obedience are key in applying these principles over time.In marriage, it is important to communicate in a way that resonates with your spouse's natural language.Find more about Dr. Eggerichs' ministry at https://www.loveandrespect.com/Get the book https://www.loveandrespect.com/product/love-respect-book

Do you ever feel like you're so fixated on what you're building next that you forget to look at the opportunities right in front of you? Right now people around the world are looking for meaning, purpose, and value. And many of them are searching for those things through their jobs.  So that means you, as a founder, have a chance to provide these people with the very thing they long for most.In this episode, we talk to Stephen Phelan, the Chief Pastoral Officer of Movement Mortgage about the radical programs they have implemented to care for their employees. Stephen has helped businesses all around the U.S. care meet the needs of their employees, and the best part is that these programs aren't out of reach or super expensive. In fact, throughout the conversation, Stephen shows just how realistic these are for any company, no matter how big or small your team is. 5 Key Takeaways:Implementing programs like Love Works can have a significant impact on company culture and create a community where teammates feel loved and valued.The Love Works program helps teammates in crisis and demonstrates the love and care of the company.Mentoring processes can be implemented to further support and develop teammates.Funding for programs like Love Works can be achieved through the support of teammates.Overcoming barriers such as uncertainty and busyness is essential to implementing programs that care for and support teammates.You can contact Stephen directly at Stephen.Phelan@movement.com.You can also hear more about the work of Movement Mortgage in the first edition of a new podcast segment called “Stories of the Movement.” Listen to the episode here: https://www.faithdrivenentrepreneur.org/podcast-inventory/episode-283-stories-of-the-movement-the-2008-turnaroundIf you enjoyed the show, please rate, follow, and share the episode.

Why would an entrepreneur start a Mortgage company in the midst of the housing crisis?In this new segment called “Stories of the Movement,” we take a narratively compelling, high-production look at the work of Faith Driven Entrepreneurs living out their call to create.The goal is to unite the movement through stories because every Faith Driven Entrepreneur, no matter what industry or what community, focuses their attention on solving problems in the world.The details may differ, but the plot stays the same. We're all part of God's story. He's using each of us to bring hope, redemption, and light to a dark world for the glory of God and the good of others. This episode highlights what God is doing through Casey Crawford and the team at Movement Mortgage.But you'll be able to see yourself in their story, too. It might inspire, equip, and challenge you as you pursue your call to create.If you like this episode, be sure to follow, rate, and share the show. For more on Casey Crawford and Movement Mortgage check out these links:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnyrnjZm0Wwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhgy5nLdmqI&t=2s