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APEX Express – 9.18.25 – I Feel That Way Too

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A weekly magazine-style radio show featuring the voices and stories of Asians and Pacific Islanders from all corners of our community. The show is produced by a collective of media makers, deejays, and activists. Host Miko Lee speaks with author, activist Michelle MiJung Kim about her new Podcast, I Feel That Way Too. Then we listen to the first episode. Michelle MiJung Kim Website I Feel That Way Too podcast     I FEEL THAT WAY TOO show Transcript Miko Lee: Welcome to APEX Express. I'm your host, Miko Lee, and tonight I'll be talking with author, speaker, and activist, Michelle MiJung Kim, about the new podcast. So we get to listen after the interview to the very first episode, and you get a little behind the scenes with activist Michelle MiJung. Kim, stay tuned. welcome, Michelle MiJung Kim to Apex Express. I'm so excited to chat with you. You are an award-winning author, activist, and now a podcast host. Hello girl. Welcome. Yay. Michelle MiJung Kim: Hello. Thank you so much for having me, Miko. I'm so excited. Miko Lee: I wanna start with my big question, who are your people and what legacy do you carry with you? Michelle MiJung Kim: Hmm. What a deep question that I can go on forever about. My people are, first and foremost people who are in my life, who have supported me throughout. Everything that I've gone through in my life, including my friends and family who have different lineages, people, most of the people that I hold near and dear carry with them, a deep understanding of their historical trauma, their familial trauma, and people who are courageous enough to share them [00:02:00] with me. So that really creates this bond that I have with my people. A lot of my people are in the queer and trans community and in the physical space of the Ohlone land, also known as Oakland, California. A lot of my community rooted in my Asian American identity. Miko Lee: Love this. My follow up, what is the legacy you carry with you from your people? Michelle MiJung Kim: The legacy that I carry from my people that jumps out to me right now is the legacy of my grandparents. My grandparents were both born in Korea. My grandpa from the north, my grandma from the south, and I am always thinking about how my grandpa was fighting for the Korea's liberation from Japanese occupation, and he was a writer himself. I always saw him writing and he had [00:03:00] stacks of paper ready to be published, but he ended up not being able to publish before he passed. So my book dedication starts with my gratitude to my grandparents and my grandpa specifically. The legacy of his work, his spirit, his love for philosophy, social justice language I carry with me. My grandmother, who was part of the first class of women in her generation to go to a university she was a badass matriarch of our family and her energy, her audacity, her courage, her confidence in her herself and her community is what I try to channel. I think about them every day. Miko Lee: Ugh. I love that. I'm wondering if you could share a little bit about your book. Michelle MiJung Kim: My book is called The Wake Up Closing The Gap Between Good Intentions and Real Change and really it's part memoir, part [00:04:00] principles of Social justice that I hold near to my heart. I really wanted to write a book that could be timeless and that could put into accessible ways how we can embody these values that are important for our collective liberation. So much of the social justice work that I encountered throughout my education journey had been highly intellectualized and theoretical and sometimes not unpacked in ways that feel human. I wanna see how people are struggling to hold social justice values while living their daily lives. How sometimes it gets challenging to embody the values that we say are important to us because it asks us to trade off our comfort and safety sometimes. I wanted to be really honest about my experience trying to live in alignment with my values, including the parts of my own contradictions and struggles and paradoxes that I've had to navigate. Miko Lee: Such a powerful [00:05:00] book for the time of now in that it does have the personal story, but then also recognizing what's happening in our world. It's really action forward. Tell me how you got from this book to creating a podcast series called. I feel that way too. Tell me what inspired this whole series? Michelle MiJung Kim: I think it is an extension of the work that I've been doing, which really marries personal storytelling and social justice values. I Feel that way too, exploring these tricky life questions like, can we be friends if we politically disagree? What if I'm not above revenge, even though I am a self-proclaimed abolitionist? Why do I have this urge to, be vengeful and why do I feel gleeful when people that have done harm get punished, right? Am I supposed to sleep with one person for the rest of my life? Am I a bad daughter? These are all the questions that I've struggled [00:06:00] with. I wanted to have an opportunity to unpack them with raw honesty and with guests that could really help guide me in thinking about these things while trying to stay tethered to my values around social justice. I've always been a fan of audio storytelling. So this was the perfect opportunity to explore that, especially in an era where the world is constantly insisting we solve these issues in isolation and we deal with our traumas in shame and without each other's witnessing. This is my way of hopefully making people feel a little bit less alone in their struggles and also in a way that, helps us to build more courage and community through stories. Miko Lee: I binge the entire season. Super fun, super personal., I was wondering how did you decide on these topics? Did they come naturally [00:07:00] or did you create an arc? Tell me about your process. Michelle MiJung Kim: I had probably two, three pages long list of topics that I wanted to explore and we had to pick and narrow it down. I wanted to tackle questions that felt existential in the collective psyche. I look at and feel into the zeitgeist of what is happening in the world . These are the questions that I wanted to explore because of my own life, but also some of these questions bring up a lot of shame and tension. when I looked at other podcasts that were exploring similar topics, I just felt as though a lot of these issues were being talked about in a very intellectualized way, in a very theoretical way without the raw sort of personal storytelling aspect that I was craving. So this was my attempt at being, courageous and practicing what I preach and being able to share some of the more vulnerable [00:08:00] tensions that aren't typically explored in the public arena. Miko Lee: Oh wow. So two whole more pages for future seasons of shows to do. I was, struck by how vulnerable the episodes are, how they're so personal. The first one being around, supporting your single mom and around financial and really emotional stability that really struck me as being so very personal and deep. I just wonder, has your mom and dad listened to the series or particularly that episode and what has been any response? Michelle MiJung Kim: Yeah. Um, my dad, no, but my mom, yes. I wanted my mom to listen to it before it aired. 'cause I thought that was the only fair thing to do. I gave her the option also to not have this air if she didn't want it to go live. And I was. So [00:09:00] scared about how she was gonna receive it. And for the listeners, the story really goes deep into my struggle around prioritizing her needs over my desires, and constantly living in this. Feeling of guilt for not doing more to support my mom. And also our definition of love and sacrifice being entangled in ways that feel sometimes impossible to navigate. I had attempted to have this conversation years ago with my mom that like completely backfire that I talk about on the podcast and, since then, I just never broached the subject because I was so nervous about how she was gonna take it. , And my biggest fear was her feeling less loved and feeling, hurt by my honesty. And so when it came time for me to present this podcast to her, I was incredibly nervous. What ended up happening was we ended up listening to the episode together. She was sitting [00:10:00] right there on the couch behind me and the, I played the episode and I just couldn't look at her face. So instead of looking directly at her, I had my camera on , so I could look at her through my phone. And I had my back toward her, and within the first five minutes she started crying. So I would pause the episode, talk to her about what was coming up for her. We would cry, we would fight, we would argue, we would apologize and we would cry again. So the entire episode that's 30 minutes long, took us three hours to get through. Miko Lee: Wow. Michelle MiJung Kim: It was incredibly difficult emotionally. And it was probably one of the most pivotal interactions I've ever had with my mom. I've been able to be more honest than ever with her. [00:11:00] She got to also be honest in her reaction and response, and we were able to be really brave with our vulnerability, which we had never done because most of our lives, our love and , especially our pain was communicated through silence. Just pretending that we're not hurting because we don't wanna hurt the other person. Very Asian. It was hard, very Asian, but it was also really healing. Miko Lee: Wow. I would love, love, love a follow up episode with you interviewing your mom. Michelle MiJung Kim: Yeah. I don't if request that. Miko Lee: I dunno if she'd be downed for that, but that would, I'm curious if you could share a little bit more about your needing to have your back toward her in the beginning and if that shifted over those three hours. Michelle MiJung Kim: Yeah. I think it was my fear of my truth being seen by her , and the inability for me to face her [00:12:00] when I knew my truth was hurting her. Hmm. And I also didn't want to pressure her to react in a certain way when I'm looking at her. So I, I, I don't know if she knew that I was looking at her through my phone. But I think I really wanted her to have an honest reaction and, that scared me. So I, and so at some point in. Yeah, I did turn around after I saw her crying. I paused the episode and I looked at her and I said, well, what's coming up for you? And she, her first thing, the first thing that she said was, I just don't remember it that way. Which started a whole nother conversation right around how she remembers my childhood, from her vantage point. And I think it's only natural for a parent, for anyone to want to know that their child, was not [00:13:00] hurt by their choices and that they did the best that they could and that was enough. And I think it's really hard to make space for the possibility that their best. Also cause harm. Hmm. Without making them, one dimensionally a bad person or a bad mother. I think holding multiple truths like that can be so difficult , for anyone, but especially when it comes to the impact that our action has on our loved ones. Mm-hmm. So I think it was truly, shattering the image of what she thought was our childhood. And rewriting an entire history in her mind, in order to make space for my reality. And I think that took a lot of courage on her part, and also a lot of grace, that she had to extend to herself and me. Miko Lee: And by the end of that three hours, did you have a sense of resolve or a different [00:14:00] path moving forward? Michelle MiJung Kim: I think we didn't come to a hundred percent agreement on what happened, which I didn't expect. But there was certainly things that were said that we had never verbalized before around what was hard, what was painful, and what we kept from one another. And I think we needed time away from each other to really process that. So I think we did the best that we could. Actually that night we went to a concert together 'cause we already had tickets and we could not go. And we went, Miko Lee: what was the concert? Michelle MiJung Kim: We went to a K-pop concert, Bada, which is Miko Lee: Oh yeah. Michelle MiJung Kim: All like dancing. Miko Lee: Love her. Michelle MiJung Kim: So we just let out all of our angst , dancing and that was a good end to our night. Miko Lee: That's a great way to actually resolve dance it out. Michelle MiJung Kim: Yeah, exactly. We just dance it out. And then, at first it was a little awkward, but, we got over it. Mm-hmm. [00:15:00] Afterwards, she listened to the podcast on her own with a transcript because her first language is not English. She really wanted to make sure that she understood what she listened to. So she had the transcript in front of her and she was looking up words that she didn't understand. She said that really helped her to understand more of what, I was trying to say. I didn't expect this, but weeks later she just randomly said, I am really sorry. I did the best that I could and I didn't know how much you were carrying. That changed everything for me. I didn't expect that kind of acknowledgement and validation from her when I was putting out this episode when I was writing it. I truly just wanted to do justice to my own truth and make space for my stories in ways that I'd never done before. But to then receive her acknowledgement, of some of the things that [00:16:00] I talked about was. Truly invaluable and healing in ways that I didn't expect. That completely changed our relationship. I'm able to be a lot more honest with her and I feel less, guarded about, the most tender parts of me when I'm around her. Miko Lee: Wow, that's so powerful that one episode. How impactful. Thank you so much for sharing about that. the topics that rose to the top in your conversations? Every single one of them had such universality, the Oxford study then the talking about Gaza and the impact on your job, being friends with somebody that you disagree with politically, each of these topics, there's so much resonance. I'm wondering of the three pages you had to choose from, how did these float to the top? Michelle MiJung Kim: It was a tough one. I had a team that I talked to about which topics to prioritize and we all got votes [00:17:00] on which ones we wanted to talk about. Some I had to really push to get it in to the season. The one about, my open relationship journey, they were like, why the hell do , we wanna talk about this? For me it was like, it's not about how to do open relationship 101 or how to do poly 1 0 1. It's actually about desire. Right. How we get in touch with our desire and practice wanting and being able to practice wanting that is at the core of that episode. I really wanna talk about it because no one else was talking about it. Miko Lee: I appreciated that episode because it was about autonomy. Like how do you hold on to who you are as an individual? To me, I didn't look at it as much about poly as much as it about who am I and how do I hold on to my belief in who I am even in the midst of being in a relationship. Michelle MiJung Kim: Absolutely. Exactly. I think I wanted to prioritize topics that weren't popular in terms of the public discourse, not 'cause [00:18:00] it's not something that people are grappling with, but because it's tricky to navigate. Because it requires a lot of nuance and often I think when we talk about desire or when we talk about personal wellness and self-development, it's so often done through the lens of, white co-opted, self-help culture. I wanted to do it in a way that felt more in alignment with my values around social justice. I picked the topics that were less explored through that lens, but also that, I felt were present in our public zeitgeist and in the cultural musings. Some of these topics were also timely. Like the one about my job loss due to Palestine or my struggle with my friendships that were breaking all over the place because of our political disagreement or the conversation around [00:19:00] abolition and conflict, navigating conflict in our own lives that map to our vision of the collective liberation Miko Lee: and the contradictions that we hold. Michelle MiJung Kim: Exactly, and the contradictions that we hold and that we have to make room for that often get, muted or disregarded because it's uncomfortable to talk about or that makes us feel less radical, less critical, less social justice-y And I think these are actually quite urgent topics that we need to talk about in order for us to create more, coalitions, more resilient relationships that is at the foundation of all of our organizing. Whether that is, you know. Or in our political work or personal, , living in alignment with our values. So I felt these were also timely conversations that needed to be had in a way that felt accessible, personal, and honest, that wasn't overly packaged up. So that people can [00:20:00] resonate with the raw struggles. Miko Lee: I also appreciate how you put listeners voices in at the end and just with their perspectives, because as you're talking about, for instance, the breaking up with friends because of political differences, then we're hearing other people's voices about their experiences. So how did you do those call out for those voices and did you identify specific topics you wanted colleagues to speak on? Michelle MiJung Kim: Yeah, so we did a call out for voicemails for every episode, and it was so important for me. I kept pushing our team to do it, even though we were running out of time and resources. They were like, no, we gotta cut this part out. And I was like, no, because the podcast is called, “I Feel that way too” and it's about, not just me, but how my story then gets reflected by the entire community. I wanted to make sure that the community voices become a part of this episode. I did a call out on my social media, on my newsletter, and it was actually quite hard to get people [00:21:00] to submit voicemails. I think people feel a lot of pressure to get it perfect. I asked my friends and they said they wanted to do it, but they were feeling pressured because they feel, they felt like they didn't know what to say and they wanted to say it in a way that felt professional. And so Miko Lee: come up with something profound. Michelle MiJung Kim: Exactly. They wanted to be profound and everything that we do, I think takes a level of courage. I really appreciated people who submitted their voicemails. Miko Lee: Yeah. Michelle MiJung Kim: We had voicemails coming from New Zealand, from Taiwan, from the United States from Canada, and so it was wonderful to know that there was a global sort of connection to these issues and the things that we are grappling with, and also knowing that we're none of us is really alone. Miko Lee: Speaking to the alone, we're living in such a time of isolation right now and where there's two different parties with really clear agendas and people are this way or [00:22:00] people are that way, and yet your title is, “I feel that way too”. Can you share a little bit about where that title comes from? Michelle MiJung Kim: I was part of my very first high risk direct action calling for an end to the genocide in Palestine, I was terrified and I decided to partake in it because I didn't know what else to do to process my anger and my desperation, watching what was happening unfold on my screen. I just felt like I had to do something more than what I was used to doing, whether it's donating or signing petitions or writing. There was a collective gaslighting during that time where the media outlets were justifying what was happening in Gaza. People were being, retaliated against for talking about Palestine. There was this overall, polarization between people who felt this [00:23:00] urgent need to do something about Palestine versus people who are living their daily lives as if nothing was happening. I went to participate in this direct action, I was surrounded by people who felt similarly, and after this really intense action took place when everybody was highly activated and charged because we had just seen our comrades be arrested and then released, and we were, just in our adrenaline. We all held hands to chant together collectively. And the chant went like this. ” Don't worry, I got you. I feel that way too. We'll get through together, we'll make our way through.” And when the chant leader said, I feel that way too, something in me broke and I just started weeping. In that moment, I just needed to feel like I wasn't alone in feeling this kind of [00:24:00] desperation, this type of pain and trauma, and anger towards our systems, and that just holding hands with complete strangers. Chanting, I feel that way too. Made me feel so much more grounded and hopeful and courageous to a point where I felt I was able to take more risks than I was comfortable with. So that's where, that's the origin of the phrase. I feel that way too, for our podcast. I just think back to that moment where I felt so seen, I felt so held and encouraged just by the sentence. I feel that way too. That's the kind of feeling that I hope to be able to gift to our listeners, whoever's listening to our podcast and whatever topic may be. I hope more people feel encouraged by the stories that we share and the way that we are creating space for us to be vulnerable and courageous together. Miko Lee: I [00:25:00] love that. So you're asking your audience to listen, feel connected to something else, be able to be part of a bigger movement. Are there other things that you want your audience to ponder or to take action on? Michelle MiJung Kim: I think the podcast really is about, community and courage. The podcast asks us to be courageous about identifying what we want, about how we want to live our lives, who we want to be, and being courageous enough to face the contradictions and make space for the collective, and connection. I would love more than anything for people to feel seen. But also feel encouraged to share their stories with people in their lives and to hopefully be able to take action together. I think the action of caring for one another in this vulnerable, honest way, the way that my mom and I got through that very difficult conversation. That [00:26:00] in and of itself is healing. Multiple generations of trauma. If we all could muster up the courage to practice that level of honesty and courage with one another, so much of our, need to heal can be met and so much more possibility emerges from that action. After airing some of the episodes, we also hosted a discussion session. Called the Courage Collective, where we got to discuss and unpack what came up for people after they listened to the episode, and that was incredible. Just being able to have a consistent space where people can meet provided that sense of community that we all need right now to be able to move in solidarity with our broader movement , and to sustain this very difficult, exhausting path that we're all walking in our personal lives, but also in our collective lives. I hope people can listen to the podcast and share with somebody that they wanna talk about the topics and keep the [00:27:00] conversation going in a way that can encourage you to take action that brings you closer to more community, more possibilities for our collective liberation. Miko Lee: Michelle MiJung Kim, thank you so much for joining us on Apex Express. We're gonna put a link to the entire series in our show notes. where else can they find out more information about you and your work and your book. Michelle MiJung Kim: Everything you need to know about me on my website, www.michellemijungkim.com. You can sign up for my newsletter and follow me on social media, on Instagram at Michelle Kimkim or on LinkedIn. Miko Lee: Love it. Thank you so much for joining me. So now take a listen to the first episode of, “I Feel that way too.” Michelle MiJung Kim: The other day I was talking to my mom about my uncle, her older brother who has stage four lung cancer. My mom was [00:28:00] venting about how upset she was that her brother's kids weren't jumping at the opportunity to pay his hospital bills. She said he sacrificed his whole life for them. How could they do this to him? I mean, they have their own lives too, mom. One of them has a little kid. It's not exactly cheap to raise kids in Korea. So I don't know. It feels fair to me that they're talking about what they can or can't afford. My mom was not having it. She said they have their whole lives to be there for their kid, but their dad, he doesn't have that much time left. They should do everything they can to support him. Wait, were we talking about love or money? My mom knew there was a difference right after a few back and forths. I just asked her the question that I really wanted to ask. Do you think uncle feels like his kids [00:29:00] don't love him because they're not giving him money? It wasn't just a question about my uncle and his kids. It was a question about me and my mom. About love and sacrifice, after all, isn't our willingness to sacrifice the ultimate measure of our love. Hi, and welcome to, I Feel That Way Too, a podcast where we ask some of life's trickiest questions and together find the courage to unpack them one story at a time. If you've ever wondered how life could be different, but didn't know where to turn, I'm here to tell you, you are not alone. I feel that way too. Ever since I was young, I felt responsible for taking care of my single mom. You know, growing up seeing her sacrifice so much for [00:30:00] me and my younger sister. When I got older, I just thought, yeah, that's my job now. That's just what you do, right? Whether it was taking a soul sucking corporate job, or using my savings to relocate her from Korea. I took the responsibility for caring for her seriously. I took pride in it. Whatever sacrifice I had to make felt appropriate, given how much I love her and how much she'd given up to raise me. But as an adult, I've been struggling with this more and more. If the only way I can express my love is by showing how much I'm willing to sacrifice, then how can I ever prioritize my own desires and needs? What do I do with all the guilt and shame and resentment that comes from feeling burdened by this responsibility? Have I become so Americanized that the idea of al piety feels suffocating? Am I a bad daughter? I mean, [00:31:00] that's such a common experience. This can be even more complicated in immigrant families because often we have those values, right? Sahaj Kaur Kohli: Asian values, filial piety, or we see fism as a really big value in immigrant households. So putting other people first, prioritizing the family over the individual, that's a hedged core Coley. She's a therapist, writer, and founder of Brown Girl Therapy, the first and largest mental health organization for children of immigrants. I've been following her on Instagram for years now, and I love the fact that she's making mental health relevant and accessible for Asian Americans like me, like learning Speaker 3: about words like enmeshment. So enmeshment is this idea that there are very loose or no boundaries within. Relationship. So in the family system, if we're talking about families, there are no boundaries. There is research that suggests that immigrant families tend to be more enmeshed because they're actually trying to protect themselves and their loved ones, creating these insular communities and [00:32:00] families from harm from the dominant society. So it was adaptive initially, but of course, just because it's adaptive doesn't necessarily mean it's healthy. We can see now that that kind of loose boundaries can lead to people feeling really dependent on one another. So often that's it's hierarchical in immigrant families, so it's a top down of dependency, but then children are being dependent on more, depending on your birth order, your age, your gender, your being dependent on in different ways. Sahaj Kaur Kohli: Becoming someone my mom can depend on was kind of my life purpose for a long time. My attention was always on what she needed and how I could provide that as a kid. I rarely asked my mom for anything that wasn't practical or necessary. She was a single working mom, and I could see how hard she was working just to keep us afloat. Instead, I tried to help however I could. I'd hand over my New Year's allowance from my aunties and uncles. Whenever we went out [00:33:00] to eat, I'd always check the prices on the menu to make sure I wasn't picking something too expensive. I worked hard in school, got good grades, and told myself, this is how I can help. I'll get into a good college, land a good job, and make enough money to take care of her. That's exactly what I did. Right after college, I jumped into corporate America instead of chasing my passion for social justice because. At the time, what mattered most was bringing my mom to the US and supporting her financially. And honestly, I was proud of myself for that, starting so young, being able to help my mom. It felt good. Looking back though, I realized that I never really let myself just want things, you know, like things just for me. And then in my thirties, something started to shift. I found myself really struggling with our relationship. I was having trouble differentiating my desires from her needs. Speaker 3: So in the Western world, we talk about [00:34:00] individuation. When you're an adolescent, you were growing up and you start to build your unique interests and you start to prioritize your friends and you start to be your own person. A lot of us immigrant children didn't really get that we were still expected to do X, Y, and Z, so we didn't really get that chance to individuate around that age, you know, as we're 12, 13, up until 19, 20, 21. And so a lot of us are doing that later in life. I work with clients who are 30, 40, 50 years old who are like, wow, this is the first time I'm doing something for myself. Sahaj Kaur Kohli: At every crossroads in my career, my decisions were often tied to one question. How will this affect my ability to support my mom? Can I quit my job? How much money do I need saved up to cover both of us for six months? Even little decisions like whether to make a frivolous purchase came with this gnawing sense of responsibility. That kind of mental math had become second nature, but prioritizing my own joy and [00:35:00] abundance. Well, that always came with a side of guilt. It felt like my entire life was split in two. One part lived for me and the other for my mom, and as I got older, the tension between the two only grew becoming harder to navigate and more emotionally draining. Sahe calls this parent child role reversal parentification. Speaker 3: At the root of it, there are two types of parentification. There's instrumental parentification, which is more about taking care. In more practical roles of the family. So maybe, you know, cooking for sick relatives or making sure your younger siblings were okay, or if you were a latchkey kid, left at home alone, you know, going to school one time, making your bed, all of these things that you had to do for yourself or for your family because maybe your parents were out working or just weren't able to do it. And then we have emotional parentification, which is more about taking on those emotional roles. So being the family mediator, maybe taking on the role [00:36:00] of a parent or a spouse for one of your parents, because either one parent isn't more present or because emotionally they don't have the type of relationship where they speak to each other more emotionally or vulnerably. So a parent might use a child to do that. It's also about generally managing your parents' feelings. Sahaj Kaur Kohli: One year after many years of working with my therapist, I mustered up the courage to set some financial boundaries with my mom. Not necessarily because of money, but because I needed to shed the guilt. That gnawing feeling that whatever I was doing was never enough and that there was always more to give. I thought if I can get my mom to tell me the exact amount that she actually needs, then I can finally know that I'm meeting her expectations and I don't have to wonder if I'm not doing enough. I could handle the financial responsibility, but I didn't wanna carry the emotional weight anymore. So one day at a [00:37:00] posh new Indian Fusion restaurant that I thought she'd like, I mustered up the courage to ask her, can you tell me exactly how much you need monthly so I can better budget my own finances? Up until then, I was paying her rent and giving her allowance in random amounts, paying for whatever needs arose at various times throughout the month. She was visibly perturbed by my question. Without looking at me, she said, just give me whatever you can. I insisted, no, mom, I want you to tell me what you need and want. She replied, I just want you to do what feels good and right for you. I said, I don't know what that is, so I need you to tell me. I was getting frustrated. She was getting uncomfortable, so I said. Okay, fine. So if I said $500 per month, that's okay with [00:38:00] you. She looked visibly worried. See, so you know what you need. Why won't you just tell me, make my life easier? She burst into tears. Why are you making me say an amount? You want me to feel shame? I already feel bad now. We were both cry, yelling. People at other tables were exchanging awkward glances. She said, don't make me say an amount out loud. I want you to support me because you love me and because you want to, not because I'm asking you to. At this point, my voice was near full volume, tears dripping down my face from knowing I had caused her pain, but somehow my untamed anger kept spilling out. Despite knowing full well that I had done enough damage to my mom's heart, I desperately needed her to see my pain too. I shouted, [00:39:00] I do love you, and I'm asking for your help. Why can't you just help me? I never got my mom to say an amount. It was as if I had spoken the very thing that needed to remain unsaid. By speaking the unspoken. I had broken the delicate dance we'd been doing for decades where love meant anticipating needs and quietly fulfilling it to save face. Where protecting meant pretending not to see the weight we each carried, because naming it would make it all too real. Silence had become our shared language of care, but now we were at a loss for words. We packed up our untouched food without speaking and left the restaurant, and I never brought up the topic again. And here I was wanting her to tell me exactly what she needed so that I could feel less [00:40:00] guilt for feeling like I'm not doing enough, even though I was doing a lot. Speaker: Mm-hmm. Sahaj Kaur Kohli: And so we were at this crossroads and we couldn't see past each other's pain and our own pain in being able to connect to one another. And since then I've been really hesitant to bring up. Any conversations around money or boundaries with her, because first and foremost, I'm terrified of her feeling like she's not loved. That somehow if I bring this up, she's going to feel more like she's a burden and she's going to stew in her own shame knowing that I don't think she has. Capacity and the skillset to be able to hold her emotions right now. And then I feel resentful that I have to think through what she needs before I can just be a child and tell her to meet me where I am for once. Right? Mm-hmm. And so then the cycle just continues and I am not sure I, I know how to get out of it. Speaker 3: Boundaries is such a like. Trigger [00:41:00] word for so many of us, right? When you hear the word boundaries, you're like, no. All of a sudden that door closes and you say, this is not something that's gonna speak to me. Because it has this reputation of being like, cut people out. Say no, protect yourself. And those narratives really don't speak to so many of us who come from collectivist backgrounds where. We want to maintain a lot of these relationships. We just don't want it to feel as bad as it does. And so disentangling and learning how to disentangle our feelings and our values from our parents is often the work I do with my clients. And it takes a long time, right? Because you are sitting down, sifting through a basically a pile of values, norms, expectations, feelings, and saying, okay, this one belongs to me. This one belongs to my mom. This one belongs to my dad. And trying to figure out. Where does that leave you, and how do we move forward and build the sense of self with things that actually feel true to you? And a lot of that work is painful. Sahaj Kaur Kohli: Trying to disentangle my definition of love from my mom's isn't the only thing that's been painful to navigate. It's also the [00:42:00] realization that so much of my upbringing fundamentally shapes the way I live today. Speaker 3: At its best, parentification can lead to having a lot of pride developing really good work ethic, being really mindful of your role in your family and leaning into that. But at its worst, it can be a form of emotional neglect. And I think that's really important because in my work with children of immigrants, a lot of times a lot of us don't realize that we have different needs when we're growing up. And sure, maybe you had a roof over your head, maybe you were, you know, sent to school, maybe you always had food on the table. And these are really. Big significant needs that were met, but were you also cared for emotionally? Were you allowed to express your emotions? Were you modeled and nurtured emotionally? So just being taught that even emotions weren't something that was safe to have. And so in that way, that's when parentification can become a sign of emotional neglect. So as by definition, parentification is taking on adult-like roles or roles that are. Older than you are developmentally at a young [00:43:00] age. And it can lead to people pleasing, it can lead to perfectionism, it can lead to constantly, um, monitoring our parents or other people's emotions or feelings. Right? Those are very common long-term consequences of being parentified children because we've never really learned how to take up space. People pleasing, Sahaj Kaur Kohli: perfectionism, hyper vigilance. Yeah. I've been dealing with all of them pretty much my entire life. One of my core memories from when I used to live in Korea was being invited to a friend's house After school, we were supposed to do homework together, and her mom sat with us going over everything and helping us out. I remember feeling so reassured, like finally someone was helping me in the way that Mamie feel safe and cared for. And because I wanted to be invited back, I was always on my absolute best behavior. I didn't want her to feel like I was being a burden or a nuisance, so I made sure to take my shoes [00:44:00] off in the neatest way possible. I made sure to wipe off any crumbs off the table, and I even offered to do the dishes. Y'all, I was barely 10, but I felt like I needed to be, liked to be helped. The truth is. I am resentful. I resent that I never got to just be a kid. I'm angry that I couldn't tell my parents that I was sad or hurt or scared. I'm angry that I thought care and attention were earned. By making myself small, likable, and pleasant. I'm angry that I couldn't allow myself to rest or stumble because I knew there was no safety net to catch me and that I thought it was easier to not want than to be disappointed. But for the first time in my life, there is something I want [00:45:00] just for myself. I want to heal desperately. I want to shed this weight so I can finally be my most authentic, free, and expansive self without needing to prove anything to anyone. I want to access the safety, abundance, joy, and ease that I didn't have as a. Child. Talking to my parents about my childhood wounds feels really hard. Not only because I'm worried about how it'll make them feel, but because deep down I truly believe that they loved me the best way they knew how so? How do I even begin to tell them that their best wasn't enough to protect me from harm? How do I share that? I feel resentful for the child that I never got to have without breaking their hearts in the process. And the hardest part, even now, I catch [00:46:00] myself prioritizing their feelings over my truth. It is like this unshakeable sense of responsibility where their comfort feels more important than my pain. How do I even untangle that? Speaker 3: You deserve joy and peace and ease. I mean, ultimately so many of us aren't able to give ourselves permission to be able to work towards joy and peace and ease. 'cause we don't believe we're deserving of it. And that is a product of, you know, these family dynamics, but also guilt and shame and not knowing the difference between those two. And then feeling like we automatically are. Bad if we aren't constantly pleasing other people. So many of us also struggle with that, uh, binary mindset. You know, if I feel this way, it's wrong. If my parents are disappointed, I'm a bad child. And that's not true. We have to learn. And [00:47:00] you have to decide at what point you're willing to accept that it might not change. And then decide what you're willing to tolerate. And that's the acceptance in grief work that is so hard and grief, I call it grief for a reason. 'cause grief never goes away. There's no resolution in grief. It's learning to build a life around it. Sahaj Kaur Kohli: Yeah, that's so real and so hard, that whole acceptance piece, right? Knowing that it's going to take time, but also that there may need to be a time where you start to accept, uh, your parents for who they are and what they have capacity for and what they don't. What's been really difficult for me is the acceptance of the reality. And my desire to heal, part of me feels like I can't heal until I get the acknowledgement, until I get the validation, until I feel seen in my entirety by my mom and by my dad. And sometimes I feel like that just sets me up for more disappointment and sense of betrayal and resentment because I [00:48:00] am not getting the very sort of human and childlike need from my parents. But knowing that that may never come, and I can't depend on that for my healing, but that's been really hard to accept. Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, that makes me really sad because I'm hearing you like deny yourself something that you deserve because you're still waiting for your parents to give you permission for it. When you can give yourself permission for it yourself, but for some reason you don't feel like you have enough agency or you're not allowed to be the one who decides I can heal. Even without my parents' acceptance. And that's a lot of the inner child like re-parenting work of like, you know, thinking about little Michelle and what she needs and how do you give it to her. How do you find power and strength in being able to be the adult who can say, fine, if you're not gonna take care of this little girl I am. I'm gonna take care of her. And it's really hard, right? And it's really painful, but. [00:49:00] It hurts me to hear you say that you won't be able to do this until you get that permission, because the reality is you may never get that acceptance and acknowledgement you're looking for from them. Sahaj Kaur Kohli: In high school, when I came out as bisexual to my dad, he just ignored it. He pretended he didn't hear me change the subject, and that was that we never talked about it again. And honestly, I was fine with that at the time. He didn't wanna hear more and I didn't want to share more. We lived under the same roof, but how much did we really know about each other? Anyway, fast forward many years later, I was on my way to a date with a woman I just met. I was on the phone with my dad and thought maybe this is a chance to let him in on my life, just a little. So I told him where I was going and casually asked, what would you do if I ever brought a girl home? I don't know what I [00:50:00] was expecting to hear, but I definitely wasn't prepared for his answer. Don't come home. He said Speaker 3: It's very challenging and I think I just recently had these conversations with a couple clients of mine where, you know, sometimes we have to ask ourselves. The greatest gift we can give people we love is letting them see us for all parts of ourselves, right? Every part of who we are. That's the greatest gift we can give someone we love. And not everyone deserves that gift, especially if they're not tending to it, nurturing it. And I see you like, as like a younger version of you, like vulnerable and raw and saying, love me, love me, love me. Mm-hmm. It's not just you, it's it's all of us. Right? We, we have these experiences. Sahaj Kaur Kohli: It wasn't until one Thanksgiving back at my dad's house that I realized just how much I did crave my dad's acceptance and love. Thanksgiving is one day [00:51:00] that we all gather at my dad's house. We ordered a Thanksgiving family meal from Boston Market that no one really likes chit chat and eat for no more than 40 minutes and migrate over to the living room to watch a movie of someone's choosing, usually me or my dad. This has been our way of bonding for as long as we started gathering. The movie that my dad, the same man who stonewalled me when I came out to him in high school, chose for us to watch, was Boy Erased a movie about a gay man's search for acceptance from himself and his family without making eye contact. He said, have you seen this? I thought you might like it. It's about a gay person. As someone who's never been interested in anything L-G-B-T-Q related, this was his clumsy way of inching closer to me. My dad didn't throw me a coming out party. He didn't wear a rainbow pin or proclaim how proud he was to be an ally. [00:52:00] There was no tearful heart to heart about acceptance, apologies, forgiveness, or unconditional love. And you know what? At that moment I realized. I didn't need any of that. Sitting side by side on that Costco couch of his, I understood exactly what his silence was trying to say. Speaker 3: And that's what happens in high context cultures, right? It's not about being direct, it's not about being explicit. It's more about what the contextual clues are. I think behaviors is where it all comes down to. So that might have been your dad's way of saying, I accept you and the way that I know how, and me watching this with you is my way of showing that in the same way that my dad. Never growing up or through my thirties, only recently started to say, I love you. But growing up I would go home and he would leave me newspaper clippings about mental health or about something I had told him about and those would be on my bed every time I would visit home. And that's, I knew, was his way of saying, I love you. [00:53:00] Right. We have the cut fruit anecdote that everyone has in an Asian household. Our mom's way of loving us is through food and by caring for us and caretaking for us. 'cause that's the role they knew how to play. I even had an interesting conversation with my mom where I've asked her, I think this was a while ago, where I asked her, what else do you wanna do? Like stop trying to do my laundry when I come home. Get out of the kitchen. We'll just order food. But then I realized it made her sad and I realized I was actually taking away her agency to love me in the way she knew how. Because that's not how I need to be loved. I've also asked my parents, did your parents ever say, I love you? When was the first time or the last time you, you heard them say that to you? What was that like for you? Oh, that must have been really sad that your parents didn't even say, I love you. You know, that impacts kids. And then using that as a frame of like. Are you thinking about how you don't do it with me? Like sometimes it takes these little kind of games before we can get to a place where we feel like we can get that conversation going. But even then, where can we find beauty in the relationship with our [00:54:00] parents? I'm sure if we, you know, really wanted to dive deep into it, we would. You would be able to think of like strengths in your relationship with your parents, ways that they do love you or see you even if it's not what you want. The way that they love you is still a way that they are showing you that they love you. Sahaj Kaur Kohli: When I think about my younger self, I sometimes find myself imagining my mom and dad when they were young, what were they like growing up? How many crushes did my mom have as a teenager? When did she start sneaking cigarettes? And what made her start? Who was there for my dad when he lost his dad as a child who told them they were loved? When was the last time someone asked them about their hopes and dreams? What did they long for? Growing up in Korea with my mom, she often told me her parenting philosophy. [00:55:00] I want us to be like friends. She'd say, she'd tell me stories about how she was always afraid of her mom, how strict my grandma was. How she never got the chance to fully explore her passions and curiosities. One day when I was in elementary school, she just said, you're not going to school today. And instead of taking me to school, she drove me and my sister to a farm outside the city. She told us real life experiences are more important than what you learn in textbooks. She didn't want us to live inside the same box. She'd grown up in. She wanted something different for us. She'd say things like, date as many men as you can before you marry. Travel as much as you can while you're young. Learn to drive as soon as you can. More than anything, she wanted us to be free freer than she ever got to [00:56:00] be. The way my parents love me and the way I love them. It's not something you'd find in some textbook. It's messy. It's complicated. It's nuanced, and it's big. It's so big. It is not the kind of love you see in those Hallmark movies where a white parents hug you and say, I love you at least 15 times a day. But I feel it. I feel it in the everyday moments, like when my mom insists on doing my laundry with her permanently sore back, or when she likes every single thing I post on Instagram. I feel it every time she sees me and says, you're so pretty with genuine awe in her eyes.[00:57:00] Michelle MiJung Kim: If you liked what you heard today, please tell your family. Tell your friends. Tell your people. Subscribe to our show and leave us a review. Sahaj Kaur Kohli: Wanna hear more from me in Sege? Watch the full interview on the I feel that way. Two YouTube channel. And while you're at it, subscribe to our newsletter on our website at www dot I feel that way. Two.com. Miko Lee: Please check out our website, kpfa.org/program, apex Express to find out more about our show. We thank all of you listeners out there. Keep resisting, keep organizing, keep creating, and sharing your visions with the world. Your voices are important. APEX Express is a collective of activists that includes Ayame Keane-Lee, Anuj Vaidya, Cheryl Truong, Isabel Li, Jalena Keane-Lee, Miko Lee, Preeti Mangala Shekar and Swati Rayasam. Have a great [00:58:00] night. The post APEX Express – 9.18.25 – I Feel That Way Too appeared first on KPFA.

Get Scene Unscripted
9 Film/TV Bookings! 9 Lessons to Shape Your Career!

Get Scene Unscripted

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 9, 2025 43:38


Actors, in this special birthday episode Jesse Malinowski talks about nine film/TV bookings that come with nine huge lessons that could truly set your career onto the right path, make you happier on your journey, and give you an edge to find success.Find out how the films Boy Erased, Bad Boys Ride or Die, Jack Reacher Never Go Back, Yule Log 2, Scare Zone, American Reunion and TV shows Devious Maids, First Wives Club, and Mayor of Kingstown are about to have huge impact on your career.

The Back Room with Andy Ostroy
Brian Crano and David Joseph Craig on Their Terrific, Hilarious New Film I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOU

The Back Room with Andy Ostroy

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 5, 2025 30:00


Brian Crano & David Joseph Craig are a married writer/director duo: David began his career as a writer and performer at the Upright Citizens Brigade in New York City and has worked with director Joel Edgerton for over a decade producing and acting in features Boy Erased and The Gift. Brian's directorial debut, A Bag Of Hammers, starred Jason Ritter and Rebecca Hall and premiered at SXSW. His feature film Permission, premiered at Tribeca Film Festival and starred Rebecca Hall, Dan Stevens and featured David who also appeared in Brian's short Dog Food (SXSW). His short films Official Selection and Rubberheart have screened at dozens of festivals worldwide. Their new film I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOU, which stars Nick Kroll, Andrew Rannells, and Amanda Seyfried, and opens in theaters tomorrow, June 6th. Join us for this fun chat as David and Brian discuss their childhoods, early filmmaker inspirations, work/life relationship, and their terrific, hilarious new dark comedy! Got somethin' to say?! Email us at BackroomAndy@gmail.com Leave us a message: 845-307-7446 Twitter: @AndyOstroy Produced by Andy Ostroy, Matty Rosenberg, and Jennifer Hammoud @ Radio Free Rhiniecliff Design by Cricket Lengyel

Queer Voices
May 7 2025 Queer Voices, Wesley Winston plays Hamlet, Boy Erased discussion and Vincent Victoria

Queer Voices

Play Episode Listen Later May 8, 2025 59:19 Transcription Available


Send us a textBrett Cullum takes over the show and gives three interviews. First an interview with local actor Wesley Whitson, who is playing HAMLET in a production from the 4th Wall Theatre Houston. The show runs at Spring Street Studios through May 24th. Then Brett and his partner Lee Ingalls , from their podcast "Prairie Rainbow Review", review the book "Boy Erased", which was also made into a coming of age movie in 2018And finally Brett has a conversation with Vincent Victoria, who for the last 10 years has been running his own theatrical company that produces both plays and films in Houston.Queer Voices airs in Houston Texas on 90.1FM KPFT and is heard as a podcast here. Queer Voices hopes to entertain as well as illuminate LGBTQ issues in Houston and beyond. Check out our socials at:https://www.facebook.com/QueerVoicesKPFT/ andhttps://www.instagram.com/queervoices90.1kpft/

Two Takes Podcast
Boy Erased | Quick Takes

Two Takes Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 15, 2025 0:43


A quicker take on the movies you lovefollow for more#twotakes #youtubeshorts #fyp #film #boyerased #russellcrowe #nicolekidman 

Good to Talk
Pride and Pop Culture: Why Representation Matters

Good to Talk

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 25, 2024 75:31


In celebration of pride month, this episode features Jeremiah and E discussing a brief history of the LGBTQ community through the lens of film history.  We cover themes of societal acceptance, community, identity, and the importance of queer representation. A special note is that we forgot to talk about 2022's Heartstopper, which E loves immensely.  The Birdcage (1996) and Heartstopper (2022) are our staff picks.Rock Hudson (1925-1985)The Rocky Horror Picture Show (1975)The World According to Garp (1982)DSM-III-R (1987)Orlando (1992)Philadelphia (1993)To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything Julie Newmar (1995)Birdcage (1996)Queer Coding: Disney villains LeFou, Jafar, ScarMulan (1998)Boys Don't Cry (1999)Brokeback Mountain (2005)Kinky Boots (2005)Milk (2008)A Single Man (2009)Perks of Being a Wallflower (2012)DSM-V (2013)Dallas Buyers Club (2013)Orange is the New Black (2013)The Danish Girl (2015)Moonlight (2016)Call Me By Your Name (2017)A Fantastic Woman (2017)Love Simon (2018)Boy Erased (2018)Pose (2018)Disclosure (2020)Heartstopper (2022)As always, thank you for listening along with us!

Feet of Clay—Confessions of the Cult Sisters
043 - Nope, NOT Okay!!! Part 3 - We Renounce Our Last Days Ministries' Attack on Gays (aka Sy Rogers, "The MYTH in the Mirror") - with Guest Anthony Venn-Brown

Feet of Clay—Confessions of the Cult Sisters

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 19, 2024 90:09


"The Man In The Mirror" Originally published in 1984 Last Days Magazine  https://web.archive.org/web/20200429081529/https://www.exodusglobalalliance.org/themaninthemirrorp338.php More about Sy:https://www.abbi.org.au/2007/12/sy-rogers/https://www.abbi.org.au/2017/03/sy-rogers-2-2/?fbclid=IwAR2S7Md3S-JKyJUcHEwBbBHKLfF2Jqt2y9yDsx-jhf2tIB40uUNksT5DIhwhttps://the-singapore-lgbt-encyclopaedia.fandom.com/wiki/Sy_RogersAmbassadors & Bridge Builders Internationalwww.abbi.org.au/Anthony's  Autobiography https://alifeofunlearning.com/Can't afford it? We'll reimburse you!  Buy the book, send screen shot of receipt to  cultsisterspodcast @ gmail and we'll pay youAnthony on 60 Minutes Australiawww.youtube.com/watch?v=8txAPzOXzKAMUST SEE! "Pray Away" & "Boy Erased"www.prayawayfilm.com/www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B71eyB_OnwWelcoming/Accepting/Affirming www.abbi.org.au/2017/03/welcoming-accepting-affirming/Invitation-only Flamy Grant concert Ocala, FL, Oct 31, 2024! Join Facebook COMMUNITY group for info www.facebook.com/groups/677407940871421Flamy Grant!https://www.flamygrant.com/SPRKL by Flamy Grant  Spotify, or Bandcamp for $1 (Love it? Maybe chip in more) https://flamygrant.bandcamp.com/track/s-p-r-k-l  A few  lyrics:When I finally picked up that brushDragged it through the blushOh, what a revelationIt felt like a salvationWhen I painted what was inside outPuckered her lips and poutedWhat a situationI think I found my new vocationBut honey, you said waitBased on my inherited valuesThat I have not investigatedThis makes me uncomfortableIt's such a scandalAnd it's hard for me to handleAnd I said greatI don't know why you think you'reEntitled to a certain presentation from othersBut I am happy to dismantle itCause this is not your body...Stay proud, radiate, only love can drive out hate!See all lyrics here:https://www.lyrics.com/lyric-lf/14381329/Flamy+Grant/S.P.R.K.L.+%28feat.+Ricky+Braddy%29https://www.instagram.com/feetofclay.cultsistershttps://feetofclayconfessionsofthecultsisters.buzzsprout.comWe love acronyms -- and we aren't afraid to use them! Here are some common ones that we might forget to explain:LDM - Last Days Ministries (organization) ICT - Intensive Christian Training School (at LDM)YWAM - Youth With A Mission (organization) CCM - Contemporary Christian Music

Feet of Clay—Confessions of the Cult Sisters
042 - Nope, NOT Okay!!! Part 2 - We Renounce Our Last Days Ministries' Attack on Gays, with Guest Anthony Venn Brown

Feet of Clay—Confessions of the Cult Sisters

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 12, 2024 86:58


You can read the full text of the tract "I'm Gay...O.K.?" in the UNT digital library here:https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc177448/Ambassadors and Bridge Builders International:https://www.abbi.org.au/Anthony's MUST READ book:  https://alifeofunlearning.com/The MUST SEE movie "Boy Erased"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B71eyB_OnwAnthony on 60 Minutes in Australia:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8txAPzOXzKAAbout Anthony Venn-Brown: Anthony Venn-Brown is an author and a respected LGBTQ community leader.  In a former life, he was a high-profile Pentecostal preacher, in Australia's megachurches such as Hillsong. His autobiography,  ‘A Life of Unlearning', became a bestseller and now in its third edition. The memoir details Anthony's rise to prominence and his several decades long struggle with homosexuality including constant prayer, counselling, fasting, conversion “therapy”, exorcisms and marriage, trying NOT to be gay. A chance encounter shattered the wall of denial he'd built and thrust him through a maze of public scandal, rejection, isolation, and trauma. People often say it's a miracle he survived.Since 2004, his book, writing and organisations have been a source of resolution and healing. Anthony has worked with over 4,000 conversion “therapy” survivors and many more individuals experiencing faith/sexuality conflict.Anthony is the founder and CEO of Ambassadors & Bridge Builders International. He has been recognised for his contribution several times, including being twice voted one of the 25 Most Influential Gay and Lesbian Australians and in 2020 was awarded the Medal of the Order of Australia for his service to the LGBTQ community.Another claim to fame is that in 2008, along with Heath Ledger, Darren Hayes and Peter Allen, Anthony was named one of Australia's Poster Children for Sin by the infamous Rev Fred Phelps from the Westboro (God Hates Fags) Baptist Church.Much of Anthony's work came together recently when he worked with survivors and the state government to see legislation pass banning conversion "therapy".  https://www.instagram.com/feetofclay.cultsistershttps://feetofclayconfessionsofthecultsisters.buzzsprout.comWe love acronyms -- and we aren't afraid to use them! Here are some common ones that we might forget to explain:LDM - Last Days Ministries (organization) ICT - Intensive Christian Training School (at LDM)YWAM - Youth With A Mission (organization) CCM - Contemporary Christian Music

Where We Live
Author Garrard Conley explores queerness in Puritan New England

Where We Live

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 6, 2024 49:00


Author Garrard Conley published his first book in 2016, "Boy Erased". The bestselling memoir, relaying Conley's experience undergoing conversion therapy at 19, inspired a major motion picture two years later. This hour, Conley discusses his newest book and his first foray into fiction. "All the World Beside" explores queerness in Puritan New England. Set in 1700s Massachusetts and inspired by Nathaniel Hawthorne's "The Scarlet Letter," an affair unfolds between Arthur Lyman, a physician, and Nathaniel Whitfield, a reverend. GUESTS: Garrard Conley: Author, All the World Beside and Boy Erased Cat Pastor contributed to this episode which originally aired April 4.Support the show: http://wnpr.org/donateSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Feet of Clay—Confessions of the Cult Sisters
041 - Nope, NOT Okay!!! Part 1 - We Renounce Our Last Days Ministries' Attack on Gays, with Guest Anthony Venn-Brown

Feet of Clay—Confessions of the Cult Sisters

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 5, 2024 115:36


Ambassadors and Bridge Builders International: https://www.abbi.org.au/Anthony's MUST READ book:  https://alifeofunlearning.com/The MUST SEE movie "Boy Erased"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B71eyB_OnwAnthony on 60 Minutes in Australia:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8txAPzOXzKAAbout Anthony Venn-Brown:  Anthony Venn-Brown is an author and a respected LGBTQ community leader.  In a former life, he was a high-profile Pentecostal preacher, in Australia's megachurches such as Hillsong. His autobiography,  ‘A Life of Unlearning', became a bestseller and now in its third edition. The memoir details Anthony's rise to prominence and his several decades long struggle with homosexuality including constant prayer, counselling, fasting, conversion “therapy”, exorcisms and marriage, trying NOT to be gay. A chance encounter shattered the wall of denial he'd built and thrust him through a maze of public scandal, rejection, isolation, and trauma. People often say it's a miracle he survived.Since 2004, his book, writing and organisations have been a source of resolution and healing. Anthony has worked with over 4,000 conversion “therapy” survivors and many more individuals experiencing faith/sexuality conflict.Anthony is the founder and CEO of Ambassadors & Bridge Builders International. He has been recognised for his contribution several times, including being twice voted one of the 25 Most Influential Gay and Lesbian Australians and in 2020 was awarded the Medal of the Order of Australia for his service to the LGBTQ community.Another claim to fame is that in 2008, along with Heath Ledger, Darren Hayes and Peter Allen, Anthony was named one of Australia's Poster Children for Sin by the infamous Rev Fred Phelps from the Westboro (God Hates Fags) Baptist Church.Much of Anthony's work came together recently when he worked with survivors and the state government to see legislation pass banning conversion "therapy".  https://www.instagram.com/feetofclay.cultsistershttps://feetofclayconfessionsofthecultsisters.buzzsprout.comWe love acronyms -- and we aren't afraid to use them! Here are some common ones that we might forget to explain:LDM - Last Days Ministries (organization) ICT - Intensive Christian Training School (at LDM)YWAM - Youth With A Mission (organization) CCM - Contemporary Christian Music

Confessions of A Reformer
Stories that Represent: Boy Erased

Confessions of A Reformer

Play Episode Listen Later May 20, 2024 15:09


Season 4: Episode 18 Movies and shows were a significant part of Mike's coming out journey. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Everything Numa⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠God Made Me Gay

CinemaPsych Podcast
Episode 079: No, There Isn't a Gay Blood Test — Boy Erased (2018) with Lee Golembiewski

CinemaPsych Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 15, 2024 97:06


Join Alex and guest host Dr. Lee Golembiewski as they discuss the harrowing true story of a young gay man enduring conversion therapy in the US South in Boy Erased (2018). The film stars Lucas Hedges as Jared, playing a version of Garrard Conley, who wrote a memoir of the same name in 2016, detailing his journey through conversion therapy in the early 2000s. The film also stars Russell Crowe as his pastor father, who ultimately made the decision to send Jared to the harmful Christian ministry, Nicole Kidman, as his mother, who makes a startling transformation during the film, and Joel Edgerton, who plays the ministry's lead "counselor" — Edgerton also directed and assisted in adapting the book into a screenplay. They explore the therapy's practices, religion and spirituality, acceptance, and harm done by these kinds of programs, that to this day, still exist in many parts of the US and the world, because of the view that anything different in sexuality and gender from the norm of cisheteronormativity is aberrant and must be corrected through spiritual healing. While the filmmaking is rough around the edges, the message and themes are powerful ones from a psychological perspective! Please leave your feedback on this post, the main site (cinemapsychpod.swanpsych.com), on Facebook (@CinPsyPod), Twitter (@CinPsyPod), or Instagram (@cinemapsych_podcast) and Threads (@cinemapsych_podcast). We'd love to hear from you! Don't forget to check out our Paypal link to contribute to this podcast and keep the lights on! Don't forget to check out our MERCH STORE for some great merch with our logo and other designs! Legal stuff: 1. All film clips are used under Section 107 of Title 17 U.S.C. (fair use; no copyright infringement is intended). 2. Intro and outro music by half.cool ("Gemini"). Used under license. 3. Film reel sound effect by bone666138. Used under license CC-BY 3.0.

NPR's Book of the Day
'All The World Beside' explores a queer relationship in a 1700s Puritan community

NPR's Book of the Day

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 11, 2024 8:47


Garrard Conley's memoir Boy Erased chronicled his upbringing as a Baptist preacher's son and his experience being sent to conversion therapy. His new novel, All The World Beside, explores similar themes of faith, love and queer identity — but through the lens of a relationship between two men in Puritan New England. In today's episode, Conley speaks with NPR's Ari Shapiro about how fiction allowed him to actually provide even more autobiographical details than a memoir, and how writing this book grounded him in his relationship to Christianity. To listen to Book of the Day sponsor-free and support NPR's book coverage, sign up for Book of the Day+ at plus.npr.org/bookoftheday Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

Where We Live
Author Garrard Conley explores queerness in Puritan New England

Where We Live

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 4, 2024 49:00


Author Garrard Conley published his first book in 2016, "Boy Erased". The bestselling memoir, relaying Conley's experience undergoing conversion therapy at 19, inspired a major motion picture two years later. This hour, Conley discuss his newest book and his first foray into fiction. "All the World Beside" explores queerness in Puritan New England. Set in 1700s Massachusetts and inspired by Nathaniel Hawthorne's "The Scarlet Letter," an affair unfolds between Arthur Lyman, a physician, and Nathaniel Whitfield, a reverend. GUESTS: Garrard Conley: Author, All the World Beside and Boy Erased Where We Live is available as a podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Amazon Music, TuneIn, Listen Notes, or wherever you get your podcasts. Subscribe and never miss an episode.Support the show: http://wnpr.org/donateSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Gays Reading
Garrard Conley (All the World Beside)

Gays Reading

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 26, 2024 46:44 Transcription Available


Jason and Brett talked to Garrard Conley (All the World Beside) about how we reinvent ourselves when we challenge the status quo, the pros and cons of “adulting,” and making our own rules. Garrard Conley is the New York Timesbestselling author of the memoir Boy Erased, as well as the creator and co-producer of the podcast UnErased: The History of Conversion Therapy in America. His work has been published by The New York Times, Oxford American, Time, and Virginia Quarterly Review, among others. Conley is a graduate of Brooklyn College's MFA program, where he was a Truman Capote Fellow specializing in fiction. He is an assistant professor of creative writing at Kennesaw State University.**BOOKS!** Check out the list of books discussed on each episode on our Bookshop page:https://bookshop.org/shop/gaysreading | By purchasing books through this Bookshop link, you can support both Gays Reading and an independent bookstore of your choice!Join our Patreon for exclusive bonus content! Purchase your Gays Reading podcast Merch! Follow us on Instagram @gaysreading | @bretts.book.stack | @jasonblitmanWhat are you reading? Send us an email or a voice memo at gaysreading@gmail.com

Writer's Bone
Episode 644: Garrard Conley, Author of All the World Beside

Writer's Bone

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 26, 2024 51:57


Garrard Conley, author of the memoir Boy Erased, talks to Daniel Ford about his debut novel All the World Beside. To learn more about Garrard Conley, visit his official website.  Writer's Bone is proudly sponsored by The Bookshop: Lou's Literary Line and Libro.fm.

Top Shelf at the Merrick Library
Episode 141: Interview with Garrard Conley, author of All The World Beside

Top Shelf at the Merrick Library

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 26, 2024 29:05


What a thrill to host Garrard Conley for this episode! Conley is the author of the bestselling memoir, Boy Erased, about his time in a church supported conversion therapy facility, which became a major motion picture. For E141, we spoke about his fiction debut, All the World Beside, an electrifying, deeply moving novel about the … Continue reading Episode 141: Interview with Garrard Conley, author of All The World Beside →

Books Are My People
Changing Legislation through Books with Garrard Conley

Books Are My People

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 25, 2024 31:43


Author Garrard Conley (Boy Erased) speaks with me about his latest novel, All The World Beside. We talk about the research involved in writing historical fiction, how he helped change legislature, and some scandalous letters he discovered while conducting research. ,Books Recommended:All the World Beside by Garrard ConleyExhibit by R.O. KwonJames by Percival EverettThe Son of Man by Jean-Baptiste del AmoThe Morningside by Tea ObrechtThe Scarlet Letter by Nathaniel Hawthorne Other Books Mentioned:Anamalia by Jean-Baptiste del AmoRamona Ausebel, author of The Last Animal, recommends Beautyland by Marie-Helene BertinoGarrard Conley's Links:Instagram @gayrodconTwitter @gayrodconpodcast : History UnerasedGiveaway for Amy Lin's Here After closes on 3/27/24Open to U.S. mailing addreses only.My Read With Me series on Substack begins in May. We Will be reading The Book of Ayn by Lexi Freiman March 27th at 9 am PT Free Book Cover Art Along and Book Discussion. You must be registered here to attend. April 2: Substack Paying Subscriber Discussion on The Expatriates by Janice Y.K. Lee and the TV series, The Expats time: TBD Hugo awards ArticleTournament of BooksThe Happy Writer with Marissa MeyerAuthors, from debuts to bestsellers, chat about books, writing, publishing, and joy. Listen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the showI hope you all have a wonderfully bookish week!

Beyond the Shadow of Doubtâ„¢
Episode 112: I believe as the family goes, so goes the world w/ Liz Dyer founder of Mama Bears

Beyond the Shadow of Doubtâ„¢

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 22, 2024 54:18


Liz Dyer (she/her) is a writer, speaker, activist and founder of the Mama Bears organization.  Liz started the Facebook group “Serendipitydodah - Home of the Mama Bears” with about 150 moms of LGBTQ+ kids in 2014 and now the group has more than 39,000 members. That one group has grown into an organization with more than 60 chapters, 8 more private groups and 8 programs serving the LGBTQ+ community.  In addition to being featured in numerous news articles and podcasts, the Mama Bears organization was featured in the Radiolab podcast "UnErased" that promoted the award winning Movie "Boy Erased" starring Nicole Kidman and Russell Crowe, is the subject of the full length, award winning "Mama Bears Documentary, and is featured in the Schitt's Creek Documentary "Best Wishes, Warmest Regards: A Schitt's Creek Farewell."  Liz lives in Fort Worth, TX with her husband. She has two sons and loves to connect with others who love and support the LGBTQ+ community. To learn more about Liz and the Real Mama Bears organization visit the website realmamabears.org You can send her an email with any questions here: mamabearsrock@gmail.com _______________________________ The ⁠⁠Beyond the Shadow of Doubt™⁠⁠ podcast is a proud member of the Dialogue Podcast Network found at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠DialogueJournal.com/podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Part of the Dialogue Journal, the Dialogue Podcast Network was founded by Eugene England, a Mormon writer, teacher and scholar. “My faith encourages my curiosity and awe,” Gene wrote in the very first issue of the journal. “It thrusts me out into relationship with all creation” and “encourages me to enter into dialogue.” My hope is that this podcast is an extension of his vision. Starting January 2024, come join "First Fridays Free Coaching." ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Click here to register⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠: https://app.paperbell.com/checkout/packages/71129)! To schedule a complimentary Discover Coaching Call or a StoryMapping™ Session with me, go here: ⁠https://app.paperbell.com/checkout/packages?provider_id=17026⁠. Connect with me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠meaganskidmorecoaching.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠; click "Work with Me" to subscribe to get my free Pronouns 101 guide.  Hopeful Spaces is a ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Dallas Hope Charities⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ component of Hopeful Discussions, which is sponsored by Mercedes-Benz Financial Services USA. Hopeful Spaces is a monthly parent support group facilitated by Meagan Skidmore Coaching. To join Hopeful Spaces send an email to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠chc@dallashopecharities.org⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.  Please help the podcast grow by following, leaving a 5 star review on Spotify or Apple podcasts and sharing with friends.

The Writer Files: Writing, Productivity, Creativity, and Neuroscience
How NY Times Bestselling Author Garrard Conley Writes

The Writer Files: Writing, Productivity, Creativity, and Neuroscience

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 15, 2024 42:50


New York Times bestselling memoirist turned novelist, Garrard Conley, spoke with me about going from activist to fictionist, the isolation of being an artist, and his debut novel All the World Beside. Garrard Conley is the New York Times bestselling author of the memoir Boy Erased, as well as the creator and co-producer of the podcast UnErased: The History of Conversion Therapy in America. His memoir became a major motion picture starring Nicole Kidman, Russell Crowe, and Lucas Hedges, directed by Joel Edgerton. His debut novel is titled All the World Beside and described as “... an electrifying, deeply moving novel about the love story between two men in Puritan New England.” Tess Gunty, National Book Award-winning author of Rabbit Hutch, called the book an “... accomplishment of breathtaking prose, expert pacing, and extraordinary psychological intelligence...” Garth Greenwell wrote, “... this novel contains some of the finest writing I've encountered in recent American fiction.” Garrard's work has been published by The New York Times, Oxford American, Time, and Virginia Quarterly Review, among others. Conley is a graduate of Brooklyn College's MFA program, where he was a Truman Capote Fellow specializing in fiction, and he is an assistant professor of creative writing at Kennesaw State University. [Discover The Writer Files Extra: Get 'The Writer Files' Podcast Delivered Straight to Your Inbox at writerfiles.fm] [If you're a fan of The Writer Files, please click FOLLOW to automatically see new interviews. And drop us a rating or a review wherever you listen] In this file Garrard Conley and I discussed: What it was like to work with Radiolab on a podcast Setting out to write “The Queer Scarlett Letter” His intense historical research process  How he inhabits his stories Why writers can't skimp on what the audience wants How to un-Tik-Tok-ify your brain And a lot more! Show Notes: garrardconley.com All the World Beside: A NOVEL By Garrard Conley (Amazon) Garrard Conley Amazon Author Page Garrard Conley on Instagram Garrard Conley on Twitter Kelton Reid on Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's A Lot with Abbie Chatfield
KIM KEMMIS: "I Had An Exorcism [To Change My Sexuality]"

It's A Lot with Abbie Chatfield

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 22, 2024 63:12


In this episode, there is mention of severe homophobia, transphobia, and suicide. If any of the topics discussed is triggering for you, please seek help by visiting Lifeline's website at https://www.lifeline.org.au/ or by calling 13 11 14. You can also call QLife at 1800 184 527. Kim was in his teens when he came across a beat in Cronulla in Sydney where he experimented with his sexuality and later found out that he was bisexual. It was the 1970s and Conversion Therapy was promising to rid queer Christian folk from their bodily sins. Now Historian Kim Kemmis takes us through what it was like for him to undergo an exorcism, live in fear of AIDS and the accompanying stigma, and navigate feelings towards men now that he was a married man.  LINKS Find out about Kim's research at Sydney Uni https://bit.ly/48HJ48u Watch the Netflix doco "Pray Away" https://bit.ly/3S7Dh59 Watch Kim's suggestion "Boy Erased" https://bit.ly/42bYFL9 Email your own voice memos for your Episode Feedback or Nightmare Fuel to hello@itsalotpodcast.com  Review the podcast on Apple Podcasts https://bit.ly/ial-review   CREDITS  Host: Abbie Chatfield @abbiechatfield Guest: Kim Kemmis @kim.kemmisExecutive Producer: Lem Zakharia @lemzakhariaCo-Creative Producer: Oscar Gordon @oscargordon Social and Video Producer: Amy Code @amycode Managing Producer: Sam Cavanagh  Find more great podcasts like this at www.listnr.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1501 - Joel Edgerton

WTF with Marc Maron Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 8, 2024 83:35


Joel Edgerton's decision to start a filmmaking collective with his brother and friends in Australia is the foundation for his career and an ideal representation of the collaborative process. Joel talks with Marc about the allure of menace, which he infuses into the films he's directed like The Gift and Boy Erased, as well as his performances in movies like Black Mass, Animal Kingdom and The Stranger. Joel also explains the revelation that occurred to him on his latest film, The Boys in the Boat, which made him understand why we all love an underdog story. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Velshi Banned Book Club
LGBTQ+ Coming of Age Stories

Velshi Banned Book Club

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 24, 2023 36:49


Books that tell LGBTQ+ stories are banned at a disproportionately high rate. The first episode of Velshi Banned Book Club features two equally powerful and poignant novels that grapple with what it means to discover who you are and who you love. “Two Boys Kissing” by David Levithan masterfully weaves four separate narratives and a haunting Greek chorus of AIDS victims to tell a story of freedom, equality, intergenerational mobility, and community through a tender, coming-of-age lens. “Boy Erased” centers around author Garrard Conley's two-week treatment at a so-called conversion therapy center and explores the crucial role of family, understanding of religion, and, of course, identity. This episode features audio from various school board meetings across the nation including: Spotsylvania County Public Schools on November 8, 2021; Dearborn Public School District on October 10, 2022; Lake Travis Independent School District on September 17, 2021; and Hillsborough County Public Schools on February 10, 2022. 

Reclaiming the Garden
The Movies Episode: From Christian Propaganda to More Nuanced Takes on Faith

Reclaiming the Garden

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 14, 2023 88:36


Just in time for the release of Greg Laurie's vanity film that erases Lonnie Frisbee's queer identity (Jesus Revolution), we're talking about films with religious (mostly Christian) themes! We discuss the God's Not Dead and Left Behind movies, the Jesus Camp documentary, and films that explore religion in more nuanced ways, like Boy Erased, Philomena, Carrie, But I'm a Cheerleader, The Eyes of Tammy Faye, and more. Here's the Buzzfeed article we mentioned: https://www.buzzfeed.com/matthewhuff/25-films-that-discuss-religious-trauma?fbclid=IwAR3xr1HbD3xphPxnnV2YFJn3EZ0CzmQIQw8carVt3omZZIJJJn4yJLLIDug We have merch! Get your Bible Dyke Energy Tee and more here: https://www.redbubble.com/people/rtgardenpodcast/shop Our social media: @reclaimingthegarden on Insta, @RtGardenPodcast on Twitter, and Reclaiming the Garden on Facebook. Our personal accounts: @thatpunchabletheaternerd, @April_TheWriter (April is on Twitter and Insta). Also, our podcast account follows a bunch of awesome folks + podcasts in the exvangelical/deconstruction world and progressive Christian world, so if you're looking for more resources, that's a great place to start!

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A Reel Page Turner
"Boy Erased"

A Reel Page Turner

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 12, 2022 32:34


As we continue to recognize Pride Month, it is important that we highlight the stories of the LGBTQ+ community. In today's very special episode we discuss the 2017 book Boy Erased and it's 2018 film adaptation. We are joined by trailblazing Scranton City Council member Dr Jessica Rothchild to talk about not only the book and movie but also the horrors of conversion therapy.More about Jessica:Dr. Jessica Rothchild was elected to Scranton City Council in 2019, making history as the city's first out LGBTQ member. While on council, she has proposed and passed an ordinance banning conversion therapy in Scranton. Jessica lives with her wife, 15 month old daughter, and two goldendoodles. In addition to being a Councilwoman, she works full-time as a physical therapist in outpatient rehabilitation. She is a graduate of the University of Scranton with both a Doctor of Physical Therapy and a Bachelors of Exercise Science degree. Jessica has always been a passionate advocate for the LGBTQ community since college, founding her school's first official LGBTQ student organization. She has served on many non-profit boards. She is currently a member of the PA Commission for Women and the PA State Democratic Committee. She is the Vice Chair for the LGBTQ Caucus of the PA Democrats. In her spare time, she is an avid skier and enjoys hiking.Learn more about how the Trevor Project is fighting to end Conversion Therapy:https://www.thetrevorproject.org/ending-conversion-therapy/Celebrate Pride Month by donating to the Trevor Project:https://www.thetrevorproject.org/ Follow A Reel Page Turner on Social Mediahttps://www.areelpageturner.com/https://www.facebook.com/groups/352221223264794Twitter: @AReelPageTurnerInstagram: @AReelPageTurnerTikTok:@areelpageturner 

Arthouse Garage: A Movie Podcast
072: The Matrix Resurrections, Boy Erased & Sundance 2022 Reactions

Arthouse Garage: A Movie Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 31, 2022


"How do you know if you want something yourself or if your upbringing programmed you to want it?" On this episode, Evelyn Landow returns to the show to talk about The Matrix Resurrections, the latest from Lana Wachowski and starring Keanu Reeves and Carrie-Anne Moss. We talk about the whole series of films as a trans allegory, and we look at it through an ex-fundamentalist lens as well. After that, I break down the other films and TV I've been watching, including what I saw at Sundance 2022! And in the second half of the show, we continue the series The Art of Deconstruction: Faith, Doubt and Film with guest Dinah House-fire. Dinah is an ex-fundamentalist Christian as well as a drag queen. And she's just a ton of tun to talk to, even when the topic is heavy. Dinah selected the film Boy Erased, so after telling us her story, we dig into that film starring Lucas Hedges as a young man going through gay conversion therapy. Content warning for that portion of the show (there's a content warning in the episode as well), but it's a great discussion and I'm so glad Dinah joined the show. This is also our longest episode ever, but everything Dinah says is great so I just couldn't cut anything. A quick note on Evelyn Landow: she has a music video coming out soon! I forgot to mention it on the show, but stay tuned to Arthouse Garage's Facebook page for a link when that drops soon. Links Evelyn Landow on Instagram Evelyn Landow on Spotify Evelyn Landow on Apple Music Dinah House-fire on Instagram Connect with Arthouse Garage Instagram Facebook Twitter Letterboxd Email us at Andrew@ArthouseGarage.com Subscribe to the email newsletter: arthousegarage.com/subscribe Try Opopop popcorn! Get 10% off your first order Theme music by Apauling Productions

HOMOMICRO
Saison 17 - Episode 19

HOMOMICRO

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 28, 2022 60:55


Avec Brahim NAÏT-BALK, retrouvez "Homomicro le podcast qui se prend aux mots" avec le cercle des Chroniqueurs: -LGBTQI+ KOMITID avec Christophe Martet -J'écris ton nom "Ruth Margarete Roellig Femmes Lesbiennes de Berlin" avec Valérie  Baud -Le plus de l'Actu "Présidentielle 2022 LGBTQI+ y a-t-il un programme ?" avec Nicolas Rividi -LGBThèque "Boy Erased ou l'enfer des thérapies de conversion" avec Étienne Bompaix-Pham Réalisation et montage podcast: Mathieu Zawadzki Soutenez-nous sur PayPal !

JV Club
Eduard Grau - Passing

JV Club

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 30, 2021 28:09


On this week's episode, we welcome Eduard Grau, cinematographer of Passing. Passing was directed by Rebecca Hall. It stars Tessa Thompson, Ruth Negga, Bill Camp and Alexander Skarsgârd. Grau's past films include: A Single Man, Buried, The Gift, Suffragette, Boy Erased and The Way Back.

Make Life Less Difficult
Challenges of Coming Out in Religious Spaces with Matthew Thomas-Malani

Make Life Less Difficult

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 23, 2021 64:42


My guest today is Matthew Thomas-Malani.  Matt and I went to high school together and reconnected a few years ago on Facebook when I shared a recommendation for the movie, Boy Erased, staring Lucas Hedges.Matt and I both grew up in religious communities that taught being gay was  wrong -- a sin.  As I have declared I no longer subscribe to those teachings, I've had people from that community respond quite harshly and critically.  Imagine how much more difficult it is for someone to come out as gay in such an environment, as was Matt's experience.I'm so grateful for Matt's willingness to share pieces of his coming our journey.  Today, Matt is happily married to Tony Brooks.  Matt and Tony live in a carriage house in Pennsylvania with their three dogs -- Thacher, a treeing walker coonhound, and the beagle brothers, Franklin and Zebulon.  Matt is a voracious reader, mostly of non-fiction and he loves good movies and certain sitcoms (with irreverent humor).  He loves to cook and bake, although he says he's a better cook than baker.If you or someone you know is struggling with their coming our journey, here are some resources for support and encouragement.  Connect with Matt on Facebook.Books:It Gets BetterNow That You Know: A Parents' Guide to Understanding Their Gay and Lesibian Children, by Nancy HaywardIs It a Choice? by Eric MarcusGod and the Gay Christian: The Biblical Case in Support of Same-Sex Relationships by Matthew VinesOut of the Shadows: Reimagining Gay Men's Lives, by Walk OdetsSupport and Resources:The Trevor Project: 24/7/365 support in the USTrevor Space: International Digital Support Community for LGBTQ+ young peopleBefrienders Worldwide: Find a helpline by CountryParents, Families, and Friends of Lesbians and Gays: PFLAG.orgSuicide Hotlines by CountryIt Gets Better Project:  The It Gets Better Project inspires people across the globe to share their stories and remind the next generation of LGBTQ+ youth that hope is out there, and it will get better.Human Rights Campaign Sage USA: Advocacy for LGBT Elders Matthew Shepard FoundationOut & Equal Workplace Advocateswww.makelifelessdifficult.com

HomoLicious: An Odd Pod
The Gay Pride Episode

HomoLicious: An Odd Pod

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 25, 2021 60:17


Join John, Dan, and a slightly under the weather Latina Turner as they celebrate Gay Pride, exposing both corporate friends and foes of the gay.   Let's celebrate Pride all year long, why not?  Prepare ye for Halloween 2021 with good costume ideas, and bad pick-up lines.  Chat us up at:   Homoliciouspod@gmail.comInstagram: HomoLicousPodFace Book: HomoLicious: An Odd Pod The Texas Cookie Bakery, Confections   https://m.facebook.com/Confections-157581020981850/The Paul Lynde Halloween Special  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCJ0D4pI0tI&t=261s Boy Erased  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaEiaafVUvIBillie Burke   https://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/person/25312%7C21743/Billie-Burke/#overviewAnnette Funicello   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annette_Funicello

El Cine de los Gays
18. Dos gays hablando de...Boy Erased/The Miseducation of Cameron Post con Gaby Meza

El Cine de los Gays

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 17, 2021 72:45


En este episodio nos sentamos a discutir con nuestra primera invitada en la historia del podcast, Gaby Meza de Fuera de Foco, sobre Boy Erased y The Miseducation of Cameron Post, su necesidad en la comunidad LGBT, el porqué necesitamos cine gay diverso y más.

Queer Devotions
Conversion Therapy is Still Prevalent in Canada, So How Do We Finally End the Practice? With Dr. Travis Salway

Queer Devotions

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 17, 2021 30:36


In June of this year, our guest, Dr. Travis Salway, published an astonishing report with co-authors about the continued prevalence of conversion therapy in Canada, which you can read in full here: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0252539. Among the many important findings, the report shows that 67% of conversion therapy happens in religious contexts, for the population they studied. We sat down with Dr. Salway to discuss this report and talk about how RFF and others can fight for a federal ban of the practice. There are some incredible resources available that dive deeper into survivors' stories and the history of conversion therapy. Here is No Conversion Canada: https://www.noconversioncanada.com/contact-1, which features some heartbreaking and mobilizing stories. UnErased: The History of Conversion Therapy in America is a production from WYNC Studios and Radiolab, made in partnership with the film, Boy Erased. It's a four part series: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/unerased-the-history-of-conversion-therapy-in-america/id1439513792. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/queerdevotions/message

Hablemos de Streaming
Las películas que nos formaron, Atleta A, Solo es el fin del mundo, Collective y más

Hablemos de Streaming

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 30, 2021 8:30


Esta semana comentamos Las películas que nos formaron, Boy Erased y Atleta A en Netflix. En Prime Video destacamos Jolt con Kate Beckinsale como opción palomera de acción y Es solo el fin del mundo de Xavier Dolan si buscan algo de buen cine internacional independiente. En AppleTV+ ya está en marcha la segunda temporada de Ted Lasso y en HBOMax recomiendo los documentales Collective y At The Heart Of The Gold. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

The DMF With Justin Younts
DMF Episode 31 Biden Wins The Others

The DMF With Justin Younts

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 11, 2020 35:34


This episode is about my delve into my week and what's going on in my life. Biden wins! I review the Others, Shallow Grave, and Boy Erased. What did I think of Mandalorian Chapter 10? Also what am I reading? I accidentally said I voted for Trump I meant Biden; I always want to be honest with you. I talk spoilers on The Others at 15:00 to 15:37. As always you can reach me on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook with my name Justin Younts. Thank you for listening and sit back and enjoy.

IMPACT: The Podcast
Screenwriting: Joel Edgerton

IMPACT: The Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 5, 2020 52:04


Actor, writer, director, producer Joel Edgerton (THE KING, BOY ERASED, THE GIFT) discusses screenwriting. How have his experiences as a multi-hyphenate influenced his creative choices? What is integral to success? And how does Joel define his creative process?

Ghoul Chat
Minisode 003

Ghoul Chat

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 24, 2020 26:39


In our weekly roundup, Alexz watched THE BLOB, THE THING, and GOOD OMENS, Ashley watched HER SMELL and brings up THE FRENCH DISPATCH trailer, Will rewatched BOY ERASED and season 3 of CHILLING ADVENTURES OF SABRINA, Jeanette watched JOKER. Both Will and Ashley have been watching THE OUTSIDER, and the group discuss the teaser trailer for STRANGER THINGS 4 (Hopper!) Plus, Jeanette does a dramatic reading of the story of when Megan Thee Stallion got arrested, Alexz and her friend got kicked off a karaoke stage, and Will thinks Elon Musk and Grimes' baby is the Anti Christ. www.ghoulchat.com Please subscribe, rate and review us on all our streaming platforms! Follow us on Instagram and Twitter! @ghoulchat @williamfrench @jeanmarli @alexznyx @ashleynrhernandez Intro song "Holy Prayer" by BASSBEAR --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

The Next Reel Film Podcast Master Feed
Destroyer • Trailer Rewind

The Next Reel Film Podcast Master Feed

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 27, 2019 50:28


Everything from the release date and the blurbs from critics told us this was going to be an Oscar contender. Nicole Kidman was delivering a performance unlike any we had seen from her before. Director Karyn Kusama had moved from film to television for nearly a decade until she returned with 2015's The Invitation. Destroyer was a highly anticipated follow-up. And then audiences failed to turn out for this film. Or was it a studio that failed to deliver a successful marketing and promotional strategy? Perhaps the Nicole Kidman audiences wanted last winter was on the screen in Aquaman and Boy Erased. Whatever the cause, Destroyer came and went from theaters and was forgotten. On this month's Trailer Rewind JJ and Steve dig into this gritty crime drama to uncover what works, what doesn't, and ultimately determine if there's a hidden treasure undeath it all. Film Sundries Thank you for supporting The Next Reel Film Podcast on Patreon! Watch this film: iTunes • Amazon • Netflix • Hulu • YouTube Script Transcript Original theatrical trailer Original poster artwork Flickchart Letterboxd Behind the Scenes — _Destroyer Make-up Sponsored — Audible Recommendation

The Kidmanifesto
Boy Erased (with Paul McCallion!)

The Kidmanifesto

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 28, 2019 74:42


This week, darling and esteemed member of the Screen Actors Guild Paul McCallion (@OrangePaulp) joins host Sam Herbst (@mrsamherbst) to discuss the Joel Edgerton-directed adaptation of Garrard Conley's memoir Boy Erased! Paul takes a brief hiatus from acting to discuss Nicole's latest motherly tour-de-force, and comes out as a surprise THE INTERPRETER stan in the process. Also, the boys forget to talk about Cherry Jones, so stay tuned until the end for Paul's voicemail edition of The Cherry Chronicles! Catch Paul in Lifetime's WEB OF LIES! Comments? Requests? Let us know at @thekidmanifesto! Don't forget to review and subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Stitcher or Spotify! --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/the-kidmanifesto/support

Hank Unplugged: Essential Christian Conversations
Biblical Sexuality with Joe Dallas

Hank Unplugged: Essential Christian Conversations

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 11, 2018 85:42


With so many Christians capitulating to the culture, it has never been more important to understand issues of sexuality from a biblical perspective. Joe Dallas has been our lead expert on the subject at the Christian Research Institute for decades, and once again he joins Hank to discuss articles he has written for the Christian Research Journal about the Revoice Conference, the new film Boy Erased, and whether or not the United States is closer to a state-controlled church. The Bible isn't shy about sex, leaving Christians without an excuse not to understand issues of sexuality and communicate a Christian perspective with conscience and conviction. Topics discussed include: how important is the issue of human sexuality to our culture? (3:00); is it intolerant and violent to hold traditional views of marriage and heterosexuality? (4:55); are issues of human sexuality leading to greater levels of “big brother” and government control? (7:40); why are so many Christians capitulating to the culture when it comes to issues of homosexuality and sexuality in general? (10:05); discussing the article by Joe Dallas, “Homosexuality and Modern Ministry,” as well as the ministry that Joe was once president of: Exodus International (12:00); is the church supposed to be offensive in the name of truth? (17:15); what is the Revoice Conference, and what is their mission? (18:35); discussing the question presented at the Revoice Conference: “What does queer culture (and specifically queer literature and theory) have to offer us who follow Christ? What queer treasure, honor, and glory will be brought into the New Jerusalem at the end of time? (Revelation 21:24-26)” (23:10); using language as a tool for progress, such as the moniker of “gay Christian,” making homosexuality and Christianity seem compatible (25:50); discussing the term spiritual friendship, as promoted at the Revoice Conference and in the book Spiritual Friendship: Finding Love in the Church as a Celibate Gay Christian (28:15); discussing sin and issues of human sexuality that affect all of us and the problem with putting a positive spin on sinful tendencies (31:25); the problem with people proclaiming that homosexuality is a gift from God (35:45); what is conversion therapy, and what is the problem with conversion therapy? (38:00); discussing the new film Boy Erased and whether Christians in general are being unfairly portrayed in Boy Erased (41:30); the new article in the Christian Research Journal titled “Solo Sex and the Christian,” discussing the sinful mindset of masturbation (46:10); why all transformation begins with repentance and obedience (52:35); the Bible isn't shy about sex, so how can we as Christians be better at addressing issues of sexuality in the church and with our families? (56:40); an update on California House Bill AB-2943 and whether a state-controlled church is imminent in the United States (59:45); the great evil of pedophilia, and what it means when those who take the sacred name of Christ are involved in it (1:02:50); the sadness of how the controversies within the Catholic church are tarnishing the name of good Catholics and Christianity as a whole, as well as diminishing the good work being done by Catholics worldwide (1:04:55); Speaking of Homosexuality: Discussing the Issues with Kindness and Clarity by Joe Dallas (1:07:10); seeking the peace that passes all understanding through Christ (1:10:50); why Joe Dallas wrote The Game Plan: The Men's 30-Day Strategy for Attaining Sexual Integrity (1:16:20); the Sacrament of Confession and how it relates to issues of accountability in the church (1:18:30); and how pro-gay advocates misinterpret the Bible and revise the truth to fit their agenda (1:21:35).

Recovering From Religion
E4: Anger and Grace with John Smid

Recovering From Religion

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 4, 2018 60:02


At one time, John Smid was one the most well-known names in “ex-gay” leadership, as the Executive Director of the country's largest Conversion Therapy programs. These days, he lives a quiet live with his husband in a small town in Texas, and spends his time as a craftsman and custom furniture maker. John is currently back in the spotlight, as one of the main characters in the movie “Boy Erased” is loosely based on him. The REAL John Smid talks about his anger at the Fundamental theology that trapped him for so long, how he deals with his role as a former Conversion Therapy leader, and what he's done to personally recover and move his life forward. The following links are for information purposes only to supplement the podcast content. RfR does not endorse this or any religious organization. John's book: https://goo.gl/e8ZhF6 "Grace Rivers" http://www.gracerivers.com/ "Grace Rivers" Facebook: https://goo.gl/iwuWQm J & L Creative Design: https://goo.gl/dKjECp --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/recovering-from-religion/message

Recovering From Religion
E2: QuickiePod "Boy Erased"

Recovering From Religion

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 12, 2018 38:47


Hosts Tim Rymel and Bill Prickett were both once involved in Conversion Therapy, and they discuss the new movie, “Boy Erased,” based on the true story of a young man who's sent to a program that promises to change his sexual orientation. (cf: https://youtu.be/-B71eyB_Onw) TimRymel.com BillPrickett.com --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/recovering-from-religion/message

Linoleum Knife
Alicia Malone, "The Female Gaze"; The Grinch, The Front Runner, Overlord, Boy Erased, The Other Side of the Wind, Burning; Monrovia, Indiana

Linoleum Knife

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 11, 2018 102:27


Alicia Malone of TCM and FilmStruck joins Dave and Alonso to talk about her new book, and our cup runneth over with new (and new-ish) releases. Subscribe (and review us) at Apple Podcasts, follow us @linoleumcast on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook, she uses tangerines. Join our club, won't you? Dave's streaming pick of the week: NOT RECONCILED Alonso's DVD pick of the week: ARTHUR CHRISTMAS

fiction/non/fiction
26: Garrard Conley and SJ Sindu on the Mainstreaming of Queer Identity

fiction/non/fiction

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 20, 2018 68:58


In this episode of the Fiction/Non/Fiction podcast, fiction writers Garrard Conley and SJ Sindu discuss writing about queer identity with hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell. In part one, Conley talks about having his book Boy Erased adapted for film, and writing about the evangelical community. In the show's second half, Sindu talks about writing about the closet, and how the publishing industry imagines readers will react to content about queer people of color.  Readings for the episode: Readings for the episode:·      Boy Erasedby Garrard Conley·      Marriage of a Thousand Liesby SJ Sindu·      Funny Boy  by Shyam Selvadurai ·      The Miseducation of Cameron Post by Emily M. Danforth·      The Well of Loneliness by Radclyffe Hall       ·      Oranges Are Not the Only Fruit by Jeannette Winterson             Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Kidmanifesto
KidMINI: Nicole is at TIFF?

The Kidmanifesto

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 17, 2018 16:51


This week Sam is flying solo as he recounts his trip to the Toronto International Film Festival and (more importantly) Nicole Kidman's two films there! Sam breaks down #WiggyGate, DESTROYER and BOY ERASED and teases what's in the future for The Kidmanifesto. Listen or be destroyed! Got a scoop on the latest Nicole news that you think we should discuss? Let us know at @thekidmanifesto or thekidmanifesto@icloud.com! --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/the-kidmanifesto/support

The Kidmanifesto
Just Go With It (with Jesse Knight!)

The Kidmanifesto

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 2, 2018 67:18


This week, the magnificent Jesse Knight (@Superfluously) joins host Sam Herbst (@mrsamherbst) to discuss Just Go With It! Jesse spends some time up front lamenting the lack of punctuation in BOY ERASED's title, and brings his scholastic knowledge of both Jennifer Aniston and Adam Sandler to this... interesting addition to the Nicole canon. Sam gets to mention Robin Weigert in a non-Big Little Lies context and discusses the VERY respectful portrayal of gay people in this film!!! Comments? Requests? Let us know at @thekidmanifesto! Don't forget to review and subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Stitcher or Spotify! --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/the-kidmanifesto/support

Next Best Picture Podcast

Our additional podcast review this week (Or as we're now calling it this awards season, the "Honorary Award" show) is the adaptation of Garrad Conley's memoir by Joel Edgerton (Who writes, directs and stars in the film) titled "Boy Erased," starring Lucas Hedges, Nicole Kidman, Russell Crowe and Joel Edgerton. Joining me for this review is Nicole Ackman, Tom O'Brien and our guest this week is Ashley Menzel from We Live Entertainment. Check out more on NextBestPicture.com Please subscribe on... SoundCloud - @nextbestpicturepodcast iTunes Podcasts - itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/negs-…d1087678387?mt=2 Spotify - open.spotify.com/show/7IMIzpYehTqeUa1d9EC4jT And be sure to help support us on Patreon for as little as $1 a month at www.patreon.com/NextBestPicture

Next Best Picture Podcast
Next Best Adaptation - "Beautiful Boy" By David Sheff

Next Best Picture Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 1, 2018 22:09


THIS IS A PREVIEW PODCAST. NOT THE FULL EPISODE. Please check out the full episode on our Patreon Page by subscribing over at - www.patreon.com/NextBestPicture Earlier this year, we put up a poll for you all to select sources of material that could be potential contenders for Best Adapted Screenplay this year. The top 3 choices were Boy Erased (previously reviewed), First Man (upcoming) and now our latest review of "Beautiful Boy: A Father's Journey Through His Son's Addiction" by David Sheff. These are all going to have their source material examined by us on the show with an in depth discussion into the work's themes, characters and our predictions as to how it will all translate to the screen. For the second episode of Next Best Adaptation myself, Kt Schaefer, Nicole Ackman and Dan Bayer all read David Sheff's story "Beautiful Boy" which will premiere at TIFF in a few days and be released by Amazon Studios on October 12th. The adaptation is being directed by Felix Van Groeningen ("The Broken Circle Breakdown") who also co-wrote the adaptation with Luke Davies ("Lion") and stars Steve Carell and Timothee Chalamet as David Sheff and his son Nic Sheff respectively. Check out more on NextBestPicture.com Please subscribe on... SoundCloud - @nextbestpicturepodcast iTunes Podcasts - itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/negs-…d1087678387?mt=2 And be sure to help support us on Patreon for as little as $1 a month at www.patreon.com/NextBestPicture

Next Best Picture Podcast
Episode 100 - James Gunn, Celebrating 100 Episodes & The "Boy Erased" Trailer

Next Best Picture Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 22, 2017 121:23


For Episode 100 (!!), myself, Will Mavity, Michael Schwartz & Josh Parham welcome Nicole Ackman & Dan Bayer from Next Best Theatre to join us for this milestone episode. On it we discuss the news surround James Gunn's firing from Disney, answer a ton of fan questions (We love you all), talk about the polls, react to the trailers for "On The Basis Of Sex," "Boy Erased," and announce new members joining Next Best Picture and Next Best Theatre, along with a few other surprises as well. Check out more on NextBestPicture.com Please subscribe on... SoundCloud - @nextbestpicturepodcast iTunes Podcasts - itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/negs-…d1087678387?mt=2 And be sure to help support us on Patreon for as little as $1 a month at www.patreon.com/NextBestPicture

Next Best Picture Podcast
Next Best Adaptation - "Boy Erased" By Garrard Conley

Next Best Picture Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 15, 2017 19:41


THIS IS A PREVIEW PODCAST. NOT THE FULL EPISODE. Please check out the full episode on our Patreon Page by subscribing over at - www.patreon.com/NextBestPicture For the first episode of Next Best Adaptation myself, Jacey Aldredge, Nicole Ackman and newcomer Lynde Smith all read Garrard Conley's novel "Boy Erased" which will be released September 28th. The adaptation is being directed and written by Joel Edgerton (Who also has a key role in the film as well) and co-stars Lucas Hedges, Russell Crowe and Nicole Kidman. Check out more on NextBestPicture.com Please subscribe on... SoundCloud - @nextbestpicturepodcast iTunes Podcasts - itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/negs-…d1087678387?mt=2 And be sure to help support us on Patreon for as little as $1 a month at www.patreon.com/NextBestPicture